#1176 After Dark: Broken Picker
Marie is 37 and has a daughter with T1D. We'll discuss a physical altercation between Marie and her ex and much more.
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Scott Benner 0:00
Hello friends and welcome to episode 1176 of the Juicebox Podcast
Today's episode will be available without the curse words taken out for Apple podcast subscribers only. Today I'll be speaking with Marie who is the mother of a child with type one diabetes. And we're going to talk about her are we going to talk about today Oh geez. physical altercation with Maria and her ex that took place in front of their child. Oh, goodness. Okay, well, this isn't after dark. Please remember while you're listening that nothing you hear on the Juicebox Podcast should be considered advice, medical or otherwise, always consult a physician before making any changes to your health care plan. If you have type one diabetes, or you're the caregiver of someone with type one, please fill out the survey AT T one D exchange.org/juice. box when you complete the survey, you're helping to support type one diabetes research right there from your phone. Check out the Juicebox Podcast private Facebook group that now has 48,000 members in it Juicebox Podcast type one diabetes on Facebook. Don't forget ora.com/juicebox Get a free 14 day trial. Keep yourself safe online with aura au r a.com/juicebox.
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Marie 3:00
Hi, my name is Marie. And I have a daughter that is now six years old. Who has type
Scott Benner 3:05
one diabetes. How old was your daughter when she was diagnosed?
Marie 3:09
She had just turned three. Okay.
Scott Benner 3:13
Is there any other type one on your family side or on her father's family said?
Marie 3:19
Nope. None.
Scott Benner 3:22
How about other autoimmune issues?
Marie 3:26
Not that I know of I don't think so. Celiac
Scott Benner 3:29
thyroid, nothing like that. So nobody knew what they were doing how to get present.
Marie 3:38
It was kind of when my husband and I separated. She went to go stay with my mom. for like a week or two. I got everything settled. And my mom started noticing. Like she's drinking a lot. You know, she's paying a lot, stuff like that. And she had like a rash, which I later found out was because of like the sugar, you know, through her urine or whatever. So I'm like a little bit of a helicopter mom. So as soon as she got back, I called the pediatrician and I was like, This isn't right. Something's not right. She looks skinny. Like she's got circles under her eyes. i This is what she's doing. And they basically were like, how fast can you get here?
Scott Benner 4:19
Really? Well, yeah, that's good. Nobody. Yeah. Nobody pushed you off, like happens. Did she end up with a UTI from that or no, no, no,
Marie 4:28
I was very lucky. Like, she wasn't in DKA. She didn't have any kind of UTI or anything like that. It was a besides the emotional aspect. It was kind of a smooth, I guess. Diagnosis. Yeah.
Scott Benner 4:45
Medically, there wasn't a lot of extras. She wasn't even in DK look at you. Congratulations. That's a good catch.
Marie 4:50
Thank you.
Scott Benner 4:52
There's a thing you didn't think anybody would ever congratulate you on but that's, that's well done. Artem was on death's door when we figured it out. And so It was an it remains a thing that you I feel badly about like even, I mean God like 17 years later, like, how did we miss this for so long, like we knew something was wrong with her. And we were like paying attention to it and everything, we just never put it together. And when we intersected with doctors, you know, the right answers didn't come back. And so it just took longer. But you got that quick. Plus, you were super focused. Because you're also probably very, like, heightened, I would imagine at that point. Right? Yeah. Yeah. That's interesting. What made you want to come on the podcast?
Marie 5:35
I feel like, my story might be similar to some other people's story of, you know, separation, or not being able to really depend on the other person who's supposed to be helping you with half of at least 35% of what's going on, when you have a child that has type one diabetes.
Scott Benner 5:58
So how long were you married?
Marie 6:01
Six years?
Scott Benner 6:02
And did the separation sneak up on you? Or was it something you saw coming?
Marie 6:08
It was definitely coming, it was just not a healthy situation, there was like, you know, he has, he's an alcoholic. And so it was just a lot of buildup. And I just got to the point where there was like, a physical altercation in front of my daughter, and I just felt like, you have to start saving money, you have to get yourself out of this situation. And it just kind of once I felt secure, and being able to leave I just left.
Scott Benner 6:36
So you made a decision that you were going to leave because of that. Everything that led to it. But that kind of pushed you over the edge. And when you think to yourself, I have to save money. How long did it take to accomplish that?
Marie 6:49
So this was actually right before COVID. You know, so those, those six weeks of being stuck in that house was just every day, like, you gotta go, you gotta go, you know, and so it just took me from probably March. And then in mid September, I just called my mom, I was like, it's happening, I have an apartment, like, I don't want the kids to be in the middle of this. So I just, you know, will you help me out. And of course, my mom was completely on board, because she had been seeing a lot of those things like, you know, having to stay home all the time not being able to have people at my house because of fear of what would happen or how he would be or, you know, stuff like that.
Scott Benner 7:35
So seven months, it took you to collect yourself to get out. Yeah. And can you give me some context for how he would be what does that mean? Just
Marie 7:45
like, very aggressive, and, you know, does, he doesn't know what the point of stop, like, I'm, I'm drinking to enjoy myself, I'm drinking to, like, socialize with friends, or, you know, just in a setting or every so often, it was every single day, you know, and it would be like a soon he would start at work. And then he would come home from work, and he would stay up, you know, he would usually come home around 233 o'clock in the morning, just because of he works in a restaurant, he's a manager. And so it would be on home at three o'clock in the morning. And then I'm staying up until 738 o'clock in the morning, drinking, you know, where I'm like, You need to go to the room, I gotta get kids ready for school and like, you are not okay. And it was just like a daily thing.
Scott Benner 8:36
Did it start at a certain point? Or was it when you look back, it was the always drinking. So
Marie 8:42
I think that it just progressively got worse. And at the beginning, it wasn't really that bad. I didn't notice it. Until I was already like, a year down the line and the marriage and it just got increasingly worse and worse and worse and worse. You know?
Scott Benner 9:00
Are you separated from it long enough now to look at it and wonder, was it anxiety alcoholism, like stress? Like, do you like do you know what kind of facilitated it?
Marie 9:11
I think that he just is addicted to drinking, he's addicted to alcohol, and that's just his vice, you know, maybe like a little bit of escapism?
Scott Benner 9:24
Would you call your life like comfortable? Was it difficult, like taking the drinking out of it, like trying to just try to paint a picture, right? No,
Marie 9:34
I mean, he has a great job. You know, he works really hard. I will never take that away from him. He's a hard worker. He works in a very high stress environment. So maybe it was a little bit of stress. And there's a lot of pressure in that environment and from the people that he works for and things like that. But you know, he provided for us you know, it was never like we're struggling. We can't pay bills, you know, things like that. We had what we needed. It was not bad in that aspect of life. I don't
Scott Benner 10:06
know how to ask this next question, so I'm gonna probably get it wrong. But this episode is sponsored by Medtronic. diabetes, Medtronic diabetes.com/juice box. And now we're going to hear from Medtronic champion Jalen.
Speaker 1 10:19
I was going straight into high school. So it was a summer heading into high school was that particularly difficult, unimaginable, you know, I missed my entire summer. So I went, I was going to a brand new school, I was around a bunch of new people that I had not been going to school with. So it was hard trying to balance that while also explaining to people what type one diabetes was, my hometown did not have an endocrinologist. So I was traveling over an hour to the nearest endocrinologist for children. So you know, I outside of that I didn't have any type of support in my hometown.
Scott Benner 10:53
Did you try to explain to people or did you find it easier just to stay private?
Speaker 1 10:58
I honestly I just held back I didn't really like talking about it. It was just it felt like it was just an repeating record where I was saying things and people weren't understanding it. And I also was still in the process of learning it. So I just kept it to myself didn't really talk about it.
Scott Benner 11:12
Did you eventually find people in real life that you could confide in. I
Speaker 1 11:17
never really got the experience until after getting to college. And then once I graduated college, it's all I see. You know, you can easily search Medtronic champions, you see people that pop up and you're like, wow, look at all this content. And I think that's something that motivates me started embracing more. You know how I live with type one diabetes? To hear
Scott Benner 11:38
Jay Lin's entire conversation. stay till the very end. Medtronic diabetes.com/juice box to hear more stories from the Medtronic champion community. Fine. Did you feel loved aside of the drinking? Like? No, no. Okay. No. Got it. How many kids?
Marie 11:59
Altogether we have? Three, but they're only one is our kid together. Okay,
Scott Benner 12:07
so you have a baby with somebody else. You have a baby with him? He has a baby with somebody else. He has a baby with you. Yes, got it. Which ones? I'm just gonna say did you take all three? Are you couldn't do that? I imagine.
Marie 12:19
No, I just have my two your two
Scott Benner 12:23
natural children. Okay. So you weren't there? Like, mother?
Marie 12:29
Know her mom, his his other child's mom is? She's amazing. And she's, you know, she's a great mom.
Scott Benner 12:37
Gotcha. Did you guys work together in the restaurant? A
Marie 12:40
long time ago, probably like 12 years ago. That's and that was before he was a manager. That's how we met. Tell
Scott Benner 12:46
you what is it? This is kind of weird. But I this comes up a lot on the podcast, working in restaurants kind of a party, right. Like after work. I think
Marie 12:57
it really just depends. You know, I think a lot of times when you're in the restaurant industry, there is so much stress. And you're it's kind of like a people pleaser. You're trying to make other people happy, other people happy. And so a lot of people do go out to unwind after they get done working. And I think it's just a an acceptable thing. In that industry.
Scott Benner 13:21
Gotcha. Okay. Well, I'm sorry for all that. That's obviously terrible. Nobody deserves that to be their situation for sure. One last weird question. When you make the decision to leave, but it takes seven months to collect money and, and resources. I'm assuming that entire time you don't want him to know this is happening because of what you've mentioned. So are you just pretending? Do you have to keep intimacy going? Like what is that seven months? Like?
Marie 13:49
There was there hadn't been intimacy for a long time. Okay. All right. So it was not a pretending thing. And it was we barely saw each other. So it was kind of like strangers passing in the night kind of situation. And we didn't sleep in the same room and it was never, and we hadn't for three years since my daughter was born. So it was just a it was wasn't even about faking it or having to not let him know that something was happening. He was completely oblivious. Oh, because he was focused on work and drinking and that was his routine.
Scott Benner 14:26
Gotcha. You didn't have to pretend because he wasn't looking. Yeah, gotcha. Anything about the baby being born that threw him off or was he liked that prior? The podcast is sponsored today. By the place where I kept my oh gosh, my sheets, my towels, some of my clothing. A lot of the things that I stay warm are comfortable with cozy earth.com I'm wearing a pair of cozy Earth joggers right now. I've recently gotten another pair in a different color. I sleep on cozy Earth sheets. They're so comfortable and soft. In temperate, temperate, meaning I've never hot or cold, which is really saying something because my wife loves to turn that giant fan on, but they keep me nice and warm without making me like sweaty or moist. You know what I mean? You want to be moist while you're sleeping. And then of course, the waffle towels, I use every day to dry off of my bits and parts. After I've showered cozy earth.com use the offer code juice box at checkout to save 40% off of your entire order. I'm not saying 40% off of one item, I'm saying 40% off of everything you put in the cart, cozy earth.com use the offer code juice box at checkout. The contour next gen blood glucose meter is sponsoring this episode of The Juicebox Podcast. And it's entirely possible that it is less expensive in cash than you're paying right now for your meter through your insurance company. That's right. If you go to my link contour next one.com/juicebox You're going to find links to Walmart, Amazon, Walgreens, CVS, Rite Aid, Kroger and Meijer. You could be paying more right now through your insurance for your test strips and meter than you would pay through my link for the contour next gen and contour next test strips in cash. What am I saying? My link may be cheaper out of your pocket than you're paying right now, even with your insurance. And I don't know what meter you have right now, I can't say that. But what I can say for sure is that the contour next gen meter is accurate. It is reliable. And it is the meter that we've been using for years contour next.com/juicebox. And if you already have a contour meter, and you're buying test strips doing so through the Juicebox Podcast link will help to support the show.
Marie 16:51
I think he really wanted a son. And I really noticed the difference when we found out that it was going to be a daughter. He was very he was disappointed right off the bat. You know, now he loves her more than anything, I'm sure. But he I just that's when I really noticed a change in our relationship and how he kind of interacted. Interesting and the family environment. Yeah.
Scott Benner 17:16
So the drinking was the entire time you were together? Or it was too Can I ask you like, I'm not? I hope this comes off. Right? I'm sure. Why'd you marry him? Because
Marie 17:29
it wasn't always that bad. You know, like, He's the funny guy. He's, he's got a big heart, you know, just not, not for me. And so like, he's the guy that everybody jokes around with, and he's, you know, very likable. But I also think that that is some of his narcissism and things like that, you know, he, it's not really fooling people. He's just not always like that, you know, the
Scott Benner 17:57
drinking was more, like socially acceptable. And then it just kind of got worse and been worse. And this is not something you did. I have to ask you did the other mom, did she try to tell you before you married him? No, no, no. Maybe that would have been nice. Maybe you guys can start a group and tell the next girl.
Marie 18:20
I would have been very appreciative if I would have known. But then I wouldn't have my daughter. And that would not be I wouldn't be sad.
Scott Benner 18:28
Yeah. Life's interesting, isn't it? Okay. Yeah. So, diabetes comes, I'm gonna guess you're on your own dealing with it. So
Marie 18:36
basically, we were in the hospital because it was like a Thursday. So we ended up being in the hospital until the following Tuesday. And not because there were like medical things going on, but simply just because the doctors were in in all weekend. And we couldn't be discharged until we sat down with the endocrinologist of the hospital to make sure that we knew everything and, you know, things like that were were good. But, you know, he wasn't there, he would show up for 30 minutes, an hour a day, and then leave. And so I was there by myself, you know, learning how to do everything, figuring out numbers, you know, learning how to Pre-Bolus and having those nights of just like, just being really sad. You know, I remember leaving the hospital to go pick up her prescriptions at Publix and just standing in line, bawling my eyes out because I couldn't fathom the life that she was going to have. And I was alone in it. You know, there wasn't a supporting character that was there to help me. And it was, you know, just trying to figure out how I'm gonna figure this out. In the long run,
Scott Benner 19:46
right, Marie, I make notes while I'm talking to people. And you know, the word I wrote down like 35 seconds ago.
Marie 19:53
No,
Scott Benner 19:54
I wrote down a loan. Because that's what struck me right away. Is that you're already three years into this knowledge that he's not really a partner, and you're not happy with your relationship for good reasons, your marriage is a mess. And now there's this next burden on you, that's totally going to be on you. Because you already saying it's not going to be him. And yeah, then you're worried about your daughter on top of all that. And that's, that's definitely a feeling of being alone and separated from happiness. Like, you know what I mean? Like, it feels like it feels like somebody comes along and cleaves away any chance to be happy and just like, moves it off to the side, like, that's not yours anymore. And that that's a you need a person to talk to, and that's time did you go to your mom,
Marie 20:45
I talked to my mom a lot. You know, my mom is a good support system for me, especially during that time. But, you know, she lives 700 miles away, you know, so, I'm in this town pretty much by myself, I don't have family here. And it's very much like, I don't have people that understand how my life is changing, you know. And so it was just like a combination of like, I'm finally free of this life that I had been living and the secrets that I have been keeping. And now, it was like a glimpse of freedom, you know, and I don't mean to put it that way. But it was because now you're chained to, you know, we were MDI for a long time. And so just shots and figuring that out. And for a three year old, you know, it's hard having to get shots, and yeah,
Scott Benner 21:39
no, I remember. Yep. Did you move there to be with him? Is that why you're far from your mom?
Marie 21:46
No, after I finished college, my mom lived here. And so I moved here to be closer to her, you know, I lived with her to kind of pay off student loans while I was working. And
Scott Benner 21:58
then she was like that. Then she bugged out and left. No,
Marie 22:01
she got married to this amazing guy who was in the military, and they were stationed in Germany for three years, they had just moved back. Right before she was diagnosed. And so but you know, then he was stationed in a different place. So, so
Scott Benner 22:20
she moves around a little bit. How old are you? How old? Are you?
Marie 22:25
37.
Scott Benner 22:26
Okay, your voice sounds younger. And so it was, it was making me look at you. You're like, Oh, now, you're very well, which it's? I asked. I mean, for everybody listening, but honestly, I asked for me, because now that you're 37 it's easier on me. I don't even know another way to put that. I have these conversations. I had one recently with a girl was like 26 and had a baby and she was dealing with postpartum and everything. And it was her age was breaking my heart as much as the story was. Yeah, so finding out your 37 alleviates some of my anxiety. So thank you for having me. She knows how to get into it. You know what I mean? Been through a couple of rodeos? Oh, yeah. No kidding. Hey, so when do you think you'll date again? 2094. Maybe because
Marie 23:18
I don't know. It's been a long time. And I am very much just enjoying living my life for my kids right now. You know, if
Scott Benner 23:28
I was you, I wouldn't even get a male cat. What do you think of that?
Marie 23:33
Like, oddly enough. Oddly enough, I've kept my daughter alive for three years with this. And so she's been begging me for a cat. And we just got a little baby kitten. So hopefully I can keep both of them alive. And
Scott Benner 23:44
again, I'm just saying I'd stay away from boys and their stuff until I I don't know, I'd vet a guy. Like, he'd feel like, oh my god, he feels like he was going into the CIA. If he was dating me again, if I was, you know. We've done background checks. We need blood every three days. Yeah.
Marie 24:03
There's an interview process. And Oh, for sure. No
Scott Benner 24:08
kidding. It's gonna take at least a year to get through this. Yeah. Can I ask you a weird question? When you're in college, and you're young, and you're imagining your life? Did you think something like this was your lot? Like, did you think you were going in this direction? Like, or is it? Does it completely blow your mind that this is your story?
Marie 24:27
Um, honestly, and I don't mean to sound like a Debbie Downer or whatever. I have gone through a lot of hardships from a young age. And so sometimes it almost seemed like I would never get out of that, you know, it was just like a cycle of, you know, bad decisions or, you know, losing my brother or you know, it just the hits like kept coming. And so, it almost seemed like I wasn't ever going to have that like Dream Life for that dream, family or anything like that. Okay,
Scott Benner 25:04
so it just does that sound doesn't sound weird at all because I mean, listen, I've spoken to a number of people at this point. It's either your, that's your path. And you're almost it's almost a self fulfilling prophecy. Or it just like a car accident comes out of nowhere. And it's like, I don't know, he was like, such a great guy. And he was the captain of the lacrosse team and blah, blah, blah. And then one day like, it goes, like one way or the other normally. So I'm sorry, what happened to your brother?
Marie 25:34
He passed away when he was 20 years old. I was 23.
Scott Benner 25:38
Oh, that's terrible. I'm so sorry. Yeah. Yeah, it was very hard. You have other siblings? No. Hard for your mom to imagine.
Marie 25:50
Immensely hard for my mom. Yes.
Scott Benner 25:53
Well, alright, my home was everybody take a breath for a second. Did anything good happening in the last three years? Like it's?
Marie 26:01
Um, yeah, I have two amazing kids. They're very smart. They're self sufficient. You know, I'm blessed with this as well. I won't have a third kid because the third is gonna be a bust for sure. Like, I have great, great kids.
Scott Benner 26:17
Got lucky in one spot. You just got to kind of hold on to that. Like, let's not stretch that out. I do understand that. Yeah, no kidding.
Marie 26:24
It's the best part. So good for you.
Scott Benner 26:26
Okay, so each said she did MDI in the beginning, obviously, how long did that go for?
Marie 26:31
I want to say it was the summer we're in 2023. So we did that for over a year, and three or four months, because maybe longer because we had only been on Omni pod for about six or seven months before we went to the five. So it was kind of, we did it for a long time. And that had a lot to do with like, you know, her dad didn't want her to be on a pump. And, and I think that was more like, it was just hard for him to figure out how to work it or to go to a class or you know, and that's part of his alcoholism and, and stuff like that. But yeah, we did it for a long time. Does
Scott Benner 27:14
she see him now?
Marie 27:17
No, she has not. He tried to drive with her drunk in a car. And we had a huge altercation. You know, and so he has a no contact order with her.
Scott Benner 27:33
Wow, that's something that alcohol is Yes. Really something else? Isn't it addiction in general. But it's very, very sad. Yeah. Because there's no way he's, there's no way anybody in there is in their right mind and thinking like this will be okay. You know, like, when you're making a decision like that you're not? I mean, you're not the you're not the one making the decisions anymore. In this case, the
Marie 27:57
I think the alcohol is that is the drive driving force for sure.
Scott Benner 28:00
Let me say this. I'm sorry. That's the case. And at the same time, I'm glad it happened. And she's okay. And you were able to like to kind of separate because something bad was gonna happen at some point. I mean, I don't think being like, blackout drunk, watching your six year old and having to give insulin is a recipe for longevity. So or success. Yeah, no, I think I think that was gonna go bad. Real quickly. So maybe it's nice that nice is probably the wrong word. But maybe it's good that something happened that allowed you to, to create that separation there, too. Yeah,
Marie 28:34
that's also sad for her at the same time, because she doesn't get to see her dad.
Scott Benner 28:38
No, I know. That's what I was thinking. Oh, geez. I don't know. I hopefully that's one hell of a cat you got there.
Marie 28:47
She's pretty cute. She's pretty cute.
Scott Benner 28:49
Cats got a lot to do.
Marie 28:52
Yeah. And honestly, I'm very blessed because I do have a great group of friends that have no qualms no fears about helping me with her learning everything that they can to support me or to support her, honestly, and take care of her. And so there's always a silver lining, and it's made me build a tremendously amazing community around me and my children. So
Scott Benner 29:21
yeah, listen, I don't know if this is valuable for you or not. You're pretty young still. But my mom, I just laugh because I said you're pretty young. So yeah, I feel well feel but you're still pretty young. And my mom had a hard life. My dad wasn't an alcoholic, but the rest of the story, you know, fits pretty well. And she just passed recently she was 81. And no, oh, thank you. And I can tell you that watching her fight through all of that stuff, was a gift for my brothers and I so you You'll see you keep doing the things you're doing and your daughter will wake up one day a fully fledged adult, look at your old somewhere and be like that lady was like a tough broad, get an amen. And and it'll help her. So it'll help her. It'll help her in her own life, and it'll help her with your memory when you're gone. And like all that other stuff. I know, I'm not I'm not killing you yet. But I know you got a couple more years,
Marie 30:24
but that'd be able to get her the 18 at least
Scott Benner 30:27
Yeah. I mean, she won't look up and just think like, oh, yeah, she did make croissants for us on Fridays. Like, she's gonna see somebody who, like, who fought through a lot of stuff to help her. It's gonna mean something to her, by the way, not right away. She's going to be terrible to you for a number of years.
Marie 30:43
I already know, I have prepared myself. I already know. On the other side, my mom told me that you get it back tenfold. So I'm like, Oh, great. Yeah, I,
Scott Benner 30:54
you know, I used to think that was something when I was younger, and I watched like women, like kind of snicker when their daughters had kids that were trouble, you know? And then, and now that I'm older, I'm like, Yeah, I can see what the satisfaction comes from that. Like, it's not because you want your kids to have trouble raising their kids, because you remember when they were giving you crap? So well, okay, so you moved off of MD, once, he didn't have a say anymore, you were able to go to even that, like, let's dig into that for a second. What's that like for you to want to make a decision for your daughter's health and to have a person who you know, should not have a say in it, other than you know, that he is a sperm donor, basically. And he's got opinions that are counter productive for her health, but you've got to be in that conversation. And he gets to say, like, talk about that a little bit. So
Marie 31:43
I basically made the decision on my own. And this was before, he wasn't allowed to see her. And so I took the class, I got her on it, we did our pod of, you know, sailing, and still doing shots. And I was like, you know, this is gonna get better, this is gonna get better for both of us, you know, and I remember taking her to her dad's house and dropping her off and sitting in the living room, and trying to explain to him, you know, this is how this works, this is all you need to do. And him losing his mind and being like, we're not doing this. I don't want to curse but like, we're not doing this. I'm not doing this. This is not what is the best thing for her, you know, I don't want to do this, and just her sitting there. And like it, it was sad for both of us, because we're both seeing this, a little bit of freedom, you know, a little bit of less stress and more consistency in numbers and her feeling better and a little bit more control with those numbers as well. And it was just one of those things that was like, well, listen, you can either get on board, or you can, you know, not see her, you know. And so we kind of did that for a while, but it wasn't very much longer before. That wasn't the case anymore.
Scott Benner 33:13
I'm imagining the two of you coming into the situations already tense you already No, this is not a thing that goes well talking to that probably. Yeah. And you have all this, like, these gains that you've made, right? You've you figured things out, and they're getting better. And now you're it's almost like you're going for permission from the last person on earth who should have a say in it. And, you know, and, and I don't mean like, I know, people can hear that and think but he's just father, he has a lot of sight. And I'm like, I get that. But I mean, if you're not listening to the circumstances, you know, yeah, he's the last person that should have some input. And, and then you it's just the feeding, and she's only little but she understands. Right. Yeah. She,
Marie 33:55
you know, when they're, and I'm sure that you had the same with art and like they kind of grow up a little faster than they really should have, you know, and they're around adult conversations with the doctor and talking about things and explaining things to her. You know, I'm, I've always been very, I don't sugarcoat things for either my kids, I just, I try to be as honest with them as I can. I don't lie to them about things. And so she always since this has happened has understood more than she should you know
Scott Benner 34:31
what alcoholism in his family?
Marie 34:33
I would say absolutely. Yeah. Okay. Yeah.
Scott Benner 34:37
Gotcha. Do you worry about it for your kids, or for your daughter?
Marie 34:41
I do, you know, but I also see my mom, who when I was younger, was an alcoholic. And after my brother passed away, it was really hard. But you know what, my mom is almost 15 years sober and it's the best gift that she ever gave to herself. Ultimately, it's the best gift that she ever gave to me to her grandkids, you know. And so, I think that it is possible. And I think that, you know, it scares me for them. But I grew up watching that. And now, you know, I don't like drinking all the time, I'm not wanting to just sit at my house and and drink when there's nobody there or anything like that, you know. So I think that it also helps you to see what you don't want to do. Right? Or you don't don't want to be like, Yeah,
Scott Benner 35:30
I don't drink, right. And I can't take credit for it, it just isn't a thing I do. It's not a decision I made or didn't make or anything like that. And there's this liquor store at this intersection where I used to live, and he'd get stopped at the red light. And it just felt like cars were streaming in and streaming out and it just never stopped. And as a person who doesn't drink you're like, I don't understand, like, what? Why could all these people like, what are they going to do with all this? Booze their body? Like, like, like beer stores as people constantly in and out cases of beer, and it just, it doesn't make any sense to me. And then to hear the story about your ex who it only makes sense to him. You know what I mean? Like that, that looks like the sun rising and setting to him. It looks perfect. And that's his
Marie 36:21
day, buy a 24 pack, drink the whole thing, and then leave to go get more, you know, and the same night. And so it's Yeah, that's exactly what it was.
Scott Benner 36:31
Does it feel like, even though I don't imagine this is what it is, like, I'm trying to take both sides here in my head. Like, what if i What if I was an alcoholic? I don't think I would think this but from your perspective, this it feels like he chose 24 cans of beer over loving you and and his daughter? Yes.
Marie 36:50
Yeah. Right. I mean, being an active member of a family, you know, going to school functions, even with his daughter, you know, I was the one you know, waking up and going to school and helping out, you know, and he couldn't, he would sometimes go. But you could tell like he was either really hungover, or he was not really there. You know, like, I'm ready to go. You know, it's like,
Scott Benner 37:15
uh, you know, expectations. This might seem like it's off the path for a second. But I think we, we kind of can do our children a disservice by presenting to them that life is going to be like some perfection wrapped in a bow. And when you really get into life, like I just did an interview with Arden, I did my third interview with her the other day, and it's not out yet. But we were sitting here talking and, and she said something like, life's boring. And I was like, what? And she goes, yeah, she's like, can you just do the same thing over and over again? And I was like, right, and she wasn't saying it, like, what was me, you know, when to throw myself off a bridge. Like she was just like, she's like, you know, it's, it's not running to softball all the time and 15 friends around you and every time you look up, you're at a movie or having a party or something like that, like it's, it's going to school and and washing your clothes and making dinner again and again and again. And she's like, it's boring. And and I thought, I'm glad she knows that. Because if you're expecting everything to feel like mainlining heroin all the time, then when it isn't. You can say well, what's the point? Yeah, the point is going to the school function or hanging out with your kids or, you know, leaning on you and watching something stupid on television after a long day or something like that, like that. That's the point. The points like human connection. And if you don't see that, then it could seem I can see how life would seem just stark. And yeah, and you'd want to alter yourself. Because your constant. If you're not taking joy out of what life really is, then existing in It must be painful. I'm getting I'm thinking. My son said he's been away for nine months. Now. I months. He got a job at Christmas last year. But he had to basically move across the country to take this job. The experience was he needed that. And it was really good. So we had to do it. But he moved to a city where he doesn't like he knew one person and she moved like two weeks after he got there. And so he he moved to a place where he didn't know anybody. They moved him up in the company enough that his schedule changed from all the people he came in with. So all the new hires had the same schedule, but they kind of gave him a different job. And so now even the people he sort of knew a little from being hired at the same time with them. He was not on the same schedule with them anymore. Yeah. And he's only got to work there for a year so He's almost done. But he said to me the other day, it He called me and we're FaceTiming. And he goes, what do people do after work? It felt like a four year old asking me a question. Like, he's like, I don't understand, like, what is life? Like is what it felt like he was saying to me, and because and the reason he can't figure it out right now, it's because he's disconnected from people. So he's doing a task, he's coming home. Now, to his credit, he's gone out and found people like in public to play basketball with and you know, he's taking care of himself, and like he's doing the right things. But I don't know that moment. Murray, where he just said, like, what do people do after work? I was like, I felt like saying, I'll be right there. I'll just live with you until you're done with a job. And then we can come home. Like, you know what I mean? Like, I'm like, I'm on my way. I'll quit my job. I'll be right there. But it's also really good for him. But it's only good for him because he's handling it. Well. Yeah. Because he could be saying, what do people do after work? And then seeing if he can get through a 24 pack? Yeah, yeah. And you can't take credit for being either person. Like, it's, it's just, it's just who you are, I guess, and how you would react to that situation? No matter what. It's sucks. Yeah.
Marie 41:15
It's almost like you have to be stimulated in some way. Or, you know, have that like, not high. But you know, that thing that picks you up? Yeah,
Scott Benner 41:25
no, point, all the things that people do to busy themselves. Smoking, food, drinking. You know, even even when you see people go like the other way, they're like, I'm going to exercise. But we all know, like, there's everyone lives in a town where some like, incredibly skinny person is running. 24/7 Like that's just a person who I think really wants to drink but doesn't like alcohol. Like you don't mean like they're they're looking for. I'm not saying you can't go jogging. I'm saying that, like anything you do to access is a to me a sign of you trying to distract yourself, you know, in one way or another
Marie 42:02
trying to feel fill the void of of something. Yeah. The only
Scott Benner 42:06
thing that feels the void, in my opinion is like human connection. So yeah, that's all anyway, I can see that. Yeah. Okay, sorry. We should talk about diabetes for a second. No, you're fine. Why? No, I'm fine. But like people listening might be like, this is the diabetes podcast I listened to. So she went to Omnipod. Dash. Is that right? And how long did you dash before you went to five? Because I heard you say five in there.
Marie 42:35
We went to five. I think it came out. October of last year or August, maybe?
Scott Benner 42:42
Maybe you want to say August? September? You right in there. Yeah.
Marie 42:47
So we were on dash from about February of last year until August of last year.
Scott Benner 42:55
Okay. So you switch to pumping. But as soon as Omnipod. Five was available, you moved to that? So she's using a Dexcom G six right now as well. Okay, how do you like the algorithm?
Marie 43:06
Well, honestly, I'll be brutally honest. Yeah. When we first started, I loved it. Because I felt like it was tighter, you know, it was had a little bit more control is a little bit more aggressive, which is I, I'm a I'm a watcher. I'm like watching these numbers, I'm trying to figure out how we can get this lower, or, you know what I did wrong this time. So I don't do it wrong the next time. And so I felt for the first three months, it was great. It was awesome. But then it was like, at a certain point, it started like letting up little by little, little by little. But she also started school. So it was kind of like, days at home with me would be tighter. And then when she was at school, it's also learning those things, too. And they're little, a lot actually more lenient, and like, letting things go and I'm calling the nurse. Like, we got to do something about this. And, you know, that's a whole nother episode and in itself, but so I liked it at first, and I found myself being the crazy person that resets it, because I, it starts to get too loose for me. Yeah, so we've reset a few times. And it's always great when it first resets. And I think it's because it's going on those base numbers, which are a little more aggressive. And then it starts letting, letting letting up letting up. So it's, yeah, it's kind of an in between. It's
Scott Benner 44:33
tough, because I mean, the algorithms in general, first of all, I mean, what's already one see,
Marie 44:39
the last appointment we had, it was a six, six. That's
Scott Benner 44:43
pretty great. Does she have lows very frequently. So
Marie 44:46
I think that visit, we were at a 1% low, which was good. And I was very happy with
Scott Benner 44:52
that. Yeah. I mean, it's tough because, I mean, we talked about Omnipod five because you're using it But I don't think it matters which one you're using. They all work within, within reason. They they work similarly. And you see, you know, it's sometimes some meal spike, and they don't do as good a job as bringing them back as you would like. And they're not perfect, but they're amazing. You know what I mean? Like, it's it's really interesting. I've, for me, it's about sleep. Like, are you sleeping safely and feeling comfortable while you're sleeping? Because that's a big deal. You're only three years into it, but trust me 10 years from now, if you're not sleep, yeah, that first
Marie 45:34
couple of nights. I'm like, Oh, my gosh, I slept like through the night. What is this? Like? This is amazing. Yes, it's magic. It was. And I like saw myself being so refreshed. And everyone's like, you're in a great mood. I'm like, I slept.
Scott Benner 45:50
Great mood. My brain is working at over 40%. You don't know, normally when you're talking to me, I'm shutting off.
Marie 46:00
Oh, I'm asleep walking with my eyes open like, it's, it's not. But if I could make that number 110 Lower, like that target range or that target? That goal right there? I think it would be a lot better. That is a little. I think that gives like a little bit too much leniency for me you want it?
Scott Benner 46:21
Yeah, yeah. So you'd like to see it. So you know, I was talking to somebody two days ago, who's on control IQ. And, you know, they were talking about how how much they love control IQ and how well it works, etc. And then I said, What's your agency around like six to six, three? And she goes, No, it's five, something and I said, How are you doing that she was I have all the settings made very aggressive. And I was like, Oh, okay. And I thought, Oh, she found a way to work within what the system was willing to do. And I don't know if that's like for, like with Omnipod. Five, like, I would say if you see a spike in a meal, like I would Bolus again, you know what I mean? Like, yeah, you kind of need to keep showing that thing. Like, this is what our total daily insulin is not what I want. Yeah, yeah. And so should be. It's just, it's, I don't know, it's one of those strange things. I'm not telling you that the the algorithms all shouldn't have lower targets, and be tuned to doing that. I wish they would. I've said a million times. I don't know why you can't just say, you know, listen, I want to use the beginner, intermediate or pro level, like, you know, just flip a switch in there and say, Look now, like, let's target 90 And, and be more aggressive, or I want to target 110. Like, do that or higher or lower whatever. Yeah, but I mean, I would
Marie 47:45
do 80. That would be my 85. Somewhere in there. That would be fine with me. That's your goal?
Scott Benner 47:50
Yeah. Well, I mean, I don't know if we'll ever get to that or not like any. They won't. Yeah, the retail systems if it will do that or not? Yes. Still, though.
Marie 47:59
And their doctor doctor is very, like, she's the doctor that she's a great doctor, don't get me wrong. They're amazing. I love their office, but they're like, you know, you're at 110. At this time, I think you should go up to 130. And I'll change it while I'm in the office. And then I'll go home and change it back. Hire, you want to hire especially at night, and she's like, my, your daughter is so young. That like 110 is is is cutting it close. I don't know. What are you talking about? Lady? I'm good with that. Why does she think that? I don't know. But she's also like, if your daughter's 250 At night, don't stay up correcting that, you know, you need to get some sleep don't stay up correcting that. I can see where you're correcting that over and over again. And I'm like, I'm not hanging out at 250. Yeah, she's not for me. Yeah. And she's like, Yeah, but if you're not sleeping and you're not resting, then you're not good for her. And I was like, I don't care about me. I care about her when she's 24 years old. You know, looking back and being like, my mom didn't take care of me the way that she should have. She did not do everything she could you know, so I still stay up and do it. And every time we go to the doctor, it's like, let's raise these numbers. Let's let's make this like, this is a little borderline and I just go home and change it back
Scott Benner 49:16
where you don't look crazy in the the appointment, right? She doesn't think she's saving your life or something like your hair is not going in six directions and you're like, hey, everything's fine. Nothing like that.
Marie 49:24
No, no, nothing like that. They just know who I am. I'm gonna sit there and make sure that you know, yeah, I'm like one one ad diagonal arrow. I'm like, nope, let's do it. Let's
Scott Benner 49:34
talk too much. Is your doctor married?
Marie 49:37
I don't know. She is a little. She's an older lady. And she's, I don't exactly know where she's from. I think she might be German.
Scott Benner 49:46
How old? Is she in our 60s?
Marie 49:48
I would say
Scott Benner 49:49
yeah, you might need a younger doctor. There are
Marie 49:54
no younger doctors in this town. I see. Honestly, I spend more time with The educational nurse, I love her. But even she sometimes is like, listen, you're getting a little low at nighttime, like she's going to bed when she's 80. And that's not okay. You need to like, raise that nighttime. Why is
Scott Benner 50:12
that? Not okay? Is she getting lower than 80?
Marie 50:16
She Yeah, but I'm okay. As long as she's not under 70. You know what I mean? Like, I'm fine with that. It doesn't bother me. You're telling
Scott Benner 50:23
me that you're keeping her blood sugar between 70 and 80 when she's sleeping and the dot, and it's not going lower than that. And the doctor wants you to change that. Yeah,
Marie 50:32
like, I think last night, she got to 93. And then she came right back down and glided on, you know. And so, if we had a doctor's appointment this morning, it probably would have been like, that's not like, I'm not comfortable with that. And you shouldn't be comfortable with that. Because if something happens, you know,
Scott Benner 50:49
those people don't know what they're talking about.
Marie 50:52
It's a little stressful, because I'm always I'm trying to fix it. I'm the fixer. And they're like, You need to let out the reins a little bit.
Scott Benner 51:00
Its stability is what your goal is. If you're stable at 80, then what's the point? Like? Why? Why would we prefer to be stable at 110? I wouldn't. Yeah, they're mixing apples and oranges. Like, I don't want you falling, like below a number and getting low. Like, I'm not saying that. But there's no reason to believe that an ad is going to fall. If your settings are good. They don't know what they're saying. It's interesting. Yeah. Okay. Well, it sounds like you're doing fine. I would just crying.
Marie 51:28
I mean, I got breakfast down to a science. So I felt like if I've mastered cereal and oatmeal and pancakes, then
Scott Benner 51:37
you're probably Yeah, just you know, this penguins from that Madagascar movie, like this smile and wave just smiling life, just like I heard you. Thanks. Just can I get all the prescriptions,
Marie 51:47
change it, and I go back, I go home, and I change it back.
Scott Benner 51:51
Thank you. Appreciate it. I just need the There we go. Thank you. I go, I got my prescriptions. I'm out of here. Well, listen, I'm sure they just don't want a crazy low to happen. But I mean, how many times do you have to show them stability and an ad? Before they go? This lady seems to know how to accomplish this. You don't I mean? Yeah.
Marie 52:12
You know, it was really interesting, because there was a point there where I was going in and they're like, Well, how do you do this? Like when she's having pasta? Like, because we eat pasta? We rice? Like, I'm from Miami, like we eat rice in this house. And so she's like, Well, how do you not have that spike? And I'm like, well, first of all, I cook it and then I pull it off. And I microwave it, which breaks it down a little bit. But I also I'm like really aggressive on that dose. And I'll give her a little bit before she starts eating. And then I'll give her more after because I already know what's gonna happen, you know? And so they're like, you microwave,
Scott Benner 52:50
what you don't understand, like, instead of telling you what they think, why aren't they asking you what you think? Because you're the one that appears to know how to do it.
Marie 52:57
Yeah, well, they did. They're like, why do you microwave it? And I'm like, it just it breaks it down a little bit and makes it not have such a hard hit, you know? And they're like, and I'm like, I do the same thing for pasta. You know, I cook it I call it off. I put it in the microwave. And for some reason, you know, we just don't have that. Oh, it's not.
Scott Benner 53:15
There's no real scientific reason why that works. Yeah. Did you hear Jessie's episode where she talked about that? Yeah, yeah. Glucose goddess, right? Like, yeah, you can I think potatoes. A lot of different starches, like cook them, cool them reheat them. They don't hit you the same way.
Marie 53:32
Yep. Which is great. Yeah.
Scott Benner 53:35
Like, you should say, like, you know what, I heard it on a podcast. How was it? You don't know about it? Like, come on. Well,
Marie 53:44
after when we were in the hospital, we had this incredible nurse and her name was Alex and I will welcome Leila use her name because she was incredible. And she just sat me down one night. And she's like, Listen, this is the podcast that you need to listen to. This is going to save your life and your daughter's life. This is going to help you. And you know, she started telling me tricks. And you know, if she wants to treat before bedtime, give her some sugar free strawberry ice cream with peanut butter. And like, this is how this is going to affect this, you know, and she just was so amazing. But she pointed me straight in the direction of the podcast. And so our first doctor's appointment, I was like, yeah, like I've been listening to this podcast, and they're like, What? Like, you have to listen to it. Like what are you talking about? You've got to so it's like a revelation
Scott Benner 54:31
of she's listening. I really appreciate that. That's wonderful.
Marie 54:36
Revelation is like one so she knew what she was talking about. Gotcha.
Scott Benner 54:40
Hey, can I get a t shirt that says the revelation on it because I think that would be very funny and appropriate. And
Marie 54:47
I think I think you've earned it.
Scott Benner 54:50
I mean, as soon as I leave this room, good Tom, my wife and I would like her to refer to me as the revelation from now on.
Marie 54:58
You might get a funny look, but go
Scott Benner 55:00
I'm not gonna you know, funny like she did tell me to go by oh my gosh, she's gonna say, did someone on that podcast say that to you? Because they don't know you? You're an idiot. And I'm like, Okay, I gotcha.
Marie 55:15
No, of course not. Yeah, by
Scott Benner 55:18
the way, this is an after dark episode, I think because of all the drinking. I think I'm going to call it after dark revelation.
Marie 55:23
Hey, I'm good with that. Are you? Good? Hilarious.
Scott Benner 55:28
Oh, my gosh. Are you okay? Yeah, I'm fine. You're fine. I
Marie 55:35
have moments of stress. But you know, I tried to just roll with it. Yeah. Because it's, I'm doing it on my own. So there's no other option, but
Scott Benner 55:46
I'm good. Yeah, that was not convinced, at all. Everything's fine. Thank you for asking. It felt like a movie where you're on a bridge and I come up and I'm the cop and I get out of my patrol car. You go you Okay? And you go, Yeah, I'm fine. Absolutely fine. Everything's okay. You can go about
Marie 56:07
your business. Right? Just leave me here.
Scott Benner 56:11
I don't I almost got it all worked out. But like, do you take time to take care of yourself?
Marie 56:16
My mom would say no, I go to the gym Monday through Friday. And that hour of time, hour and a half is is my time. And I feel like that is where I really work out a lot of stressors or things that are getting to me or you know, that's that's the time that I would rather spend on myself because it just clears my mind running. I just takes me to this peace level of a little bit of serenity. And like, in that moment, so that's how I take care of myself.
Scott Benner 56:49
Oh, that's excellent. By the way, be careful some of those gym boys. Like you don't I mean, like,
Marie 56:54
oh, no, I am the only weirdo in Florida right now wearing a hoodie and like sweatpants and that's that's how they don't talk to me. Cuz I'm not I'm not the cute dress girl with the makeup on.
Scott Benner 57:06
Good. Let's keep the gym boys away from you. That's right. We don't need that. I feel like you have a poor track record and you will definitely find one who's jacked up on testosterone and something else.
Marie 57:18
It is a known joke. My pickers broken like I faulty, completely faulty picker. So there's a memory.
Scott Benner 57:26
We can't We can't call it revelations. Now. It's broken picker. God damn it. You ruined my title. It's okay. I'm actually writing it down in case you're wondering, broken picker is hilarious. That's your title. They're done. Plus, I realized the violations is a Bible like thing. And maybe people would not think that's funny. You have a broken picker?
Marie 57:53
Yes, I'm not. I'm not good at that.
Scott Benner 57:55
How do we fix your picker? Just
Marie 57:57
stay single by myself. Is
Scott Benner 58:01
that why don't why don't you just play worked out with? It's worked out? Well, I've stayed away from guys and nothing's gone wrong. Why don't you go out into the world? Pick a guy and then pick one you would never go with and then ask the one you would never go without. That's probably how you should do it.
Marie 58:18
It seems like a great idea. But you know, that will just be a mess. And something always happens. Yes. There'll be a serial murderer or something. Yeah, like the Ted Bundy is that are completely normal all over the place and they're secretly killing people and stuffing them in your,
Scott Benner 58:35
your in the trunk. You're bound. And you're like that King Guy on that goddamn podcast. No, it try a quiet guy. Now he's getting ready to cut my arm off. So and eat it. So? Well. There's always I mean, I don't know. I don't know. It just it seems like I also think Look at me, I'm flustered now because I know when my wife leaves me, which has got to happen at some point. When that happens. I'm gonna be by myself for sure. Although my daughter's like you're my daughter goes, dude, you're such a catch. For some lady whose kid has diabetes. She's like, you'll be fine. Don't worry about it.
Marie 59:19
They're gonna be lining up. No heads try for somebody to help me with this. I don't have to stress on myself.
Scott Benner 59:26
That's all you want. I can do those things. Don't worry. Let's go. You're gonna get insulin. Oh, yeah, man. Don't worry. It's good. That's right. That's right. But no like, but I also think like, a guy called you young earlier, but at the same time, like it's no joke, right? When you find when people get into their late 30s The people leftover can sometimes feel like the ones that they just couldn't find a match or didn't like it feels weird, right? Doesn't it feel like you're? This is gonna sound wrong, but doesn't it feel like you're shopping like on the, like the leftover rack. It's
Marie 1:00:03
kind of like, these people are single for a reason. And it's not because they're, they're good. People are like that they're the catch. They're the ones who people have tried and been like, yeah, that's not that's a no go.
Scott Benner 1:00:19
Oh, hell is not where it's at. That's right. That's right. But you're also
Marie 1:00:25
I know. And you know why? It's because my picker is broken. And I've spent too many years with people that I shouldn't have been with. I feel like I might have been picked up a long time ago. But instead, I always wanted to be with the fun one and the crazy one, and
Scott Benner 1:00:42
this is a problem, there's a problem. That's the problem. When I was younger, my mom was like, you know, somebody's gonna love you. Like, you're so kind and blah, blah, blah. And I was like, that's not how girls pick. I don't think that's how this works. But okay, thanks, Mommy. That's right. And then we'll like talk privately. It's, and those you've heard guys say, like, just be mean, they like it better, which is obviously ridiculous. But also not like you will attract a certain person just being. And yeah, that sucks. But, you know, nobody's looking to nobody's like looking for me, Marie, who's like, I cut the lawn every week, you know, they mean? Like, are
Marie 1:01:23
you kidding me, that would be, I would be fine with that. I want somebody who's gonna be nice to me, and treat me good. And treat my kids good. And that's all I really care about right now. But I also feel like just being where I have been focusing on my kids focusing on, you know, making their life everything that it could be, I would never trade the last two years and for anything, because it's made me realize who I am. It's helped me to find out how to be the best mom for them. And really, just pour everything that I have into them and not into somebody else that will distract me. It's not worth it. That's
Scott Benner 1:02:02
excellent. I'm happy for you about that. For sure. I think you just gotta find another guy who also has a broken picker, and then you guys would probably be perfect together.
Marie 1:02:13
Maybe he exists, maybe. I mean, I
Scott Benner 1:02:15
gotta be honest with you. I don't see why we don't start a dating app right now called Broken picker. And it's just people with like, this story. Like, I always pick the wrong person. I always pick the wrong person. I never know which one to pick, and then let the algorithm put them together. I think it really would work. Yeah,
Marie 1:02:31
except for dating apps or the death of society. I feel like Yeah,
Scott Benner 1:02:35
but I mean, you're older. Now. You don't have time to go out and like, you know, they mean, pop up your caves or whatever girls do it. And like, it's a lot of work. It's like you're not going out and like foreign shields again, ever. Right?
Marie 1:02:49
Meet me on the soccer field, then we'll see what happens. That's how I see it.
Scott Benner 1:02:52
If you think I'm attractive while I'm screaming at a referee, you're gonna love me.
Marie 1:02:59
That is so true. Okay.
Scott Benner 1:03:02
That's hilarious. All right. Well, I really do appreciate you doing this with me. I'm wondering if there's anything we didn't cover that we should have?
Marie 1:03:08
I don't know. I feel like we've covered a lot. I
Scott Benner 1:03:12
took you all over the place. You did really good. That's fine. Yeah. Yeah, I can even feel it sometimes. When people are like, you ask such good questions. And I was like, I bet you people wish I asked two questions in a row that's felt like they went together. But, but I thought this was fascinating. Oh, yeah. And it really is. I think what you said in the beginning is very true. You are not nearly the only person by the way, man or woman like this could handle Yeah, yeah. For sure that this has happened to and you. I mean, I don't know if you're proud of yourself, but you took care of this quickly. I know that doesn't seem like that. Probably but you recognize the problem. tried to make it work. assessed, it is not fixable, and got the hell out? All within a few years. That's that's pretty cool. You know what I mean? Like that. That's, that's good work by you. So yeah, no, of course not. It's a I mean, you could have been there 20 years trying to, you know, coming up with excuses. And that kind of stuff. I shouldn't talk like this. My wife's gonna hear this and be like, yeah, why am I making excuses?
Marie 1:04:18
Or like, stay together for the kids stay together for the kids? Like, yeah, right. I don't want my kids to think that this is acceptable acceptable to treat somebody that way or acceptable to accept being treated that way you're such
Scott Benner 1:04:30
a harsh example to like your your situation is it's over the top you do you know that like, did you have like, like, now that you're away from it? Do you see that your life's not the same like adrenaline fueled, like crazy ride that it used to be? Did you not know it was back then? Or did you know?
Marie 1:04:48
I was in it. So I mean, I knew like, and it was like, Oh, it's 230 He'll be home soon. Like, this is this is not good. You know? So it was every day. And that's not Have a takeaway from you know, how hard he worked. And I know that he loves his kids, I just think that he has to find that balance of or say to himself, like, I am an alcoholic. And I cannot drink, you know, and I think his pride is too much to admit that or to change how he is,
Scott Benner 1:05:20
if he was able to do that, if he was able to get sober, Would you welcome him back as like her dad and everything.
Marie 1:05:27
I mean, he's still her dad, he'll always be her dad, you know, but, I mean, that would be my ideal. I want her to have a sober dad, you know, and he can be an amazing dad. And I know that, you know, and it's just, he's got to figure out like, which thing is more important to me. And I'll be honest with you, it's coming up in December, when he'll be able to see her again. And my anxiety is like, all over the place, because I don't know what that's gonna look like, because I've been in control of this situation, at that point will be a year and eight months, you know, so it's, I hope that he's getting it together and doing the things that he needs to do and that the court recommended that he does so that he can have a relationship with her. That
Scott Benner 1:06:14
would be ideal. Yeah, of course, do you not know if those things are happening or not? Do you have no contact? No,
Marie 1:06:19
he has no contact with me or, or her because of the situation that
Scott Benner 1:06:24
happened. So he knows he could be sober right now you wouldn't know it. I
Marie 1:06:30
wouldn't know it. I pray that He is, you know, I want that for my daughter urinate
Scott Benner 1:06:34
months. Now, suddenly, he's gonna be back again, and you're worried he's gonna be that same person, or worse. That's terrible. Well,
Marie 1:06:44
he's very resentful, and so I just know that it's gonna be a rocky situation, at least for a while.
Scott Benner 1:06:53
So yeah, that sucks. I I'm sorry. For you. I am, I hope. I hope it is the best outcome it can be. And if it's not, I hope you continue to handle it the way you've been because you're doing a great job.
Marie 1:07:05
Yeah, thank you.
Scott Benner 1:07:06
I appreciate that. Of course. It's sincere. I mean, I've only talked to you for an hour but you know, you're very together and, and thoughtful about this. Thank you. Yeah. Unless you're hiding something. Are you hiding anything? Tell me No. No. You imagine? I try not? You told me so many things about your life. You writing something like I don't know what it could be.
Marie 1:07:30
Maybe I'm a serial murderer. You've got people
Scott Benner 1:07:33
locked in the basement? Maybe? My gosh. Alright. Well, Maria, thank you so much. Can you hold on for a second for me? Absolutely. Thank
Marie 1:07:40
you. Thanks.
Scott Benner 1:07:47
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Speaker 1 1:09:34
My name is Jalen Mayfield. I am 29 years old. I live in Milwaukee, Wisconsin, where I am originally from Waynesboro, Mississippi. So I've kind of traveled all over. I've just landed here in the Midwest and haven't left since.
Scott Benner 1:09:49
How old were you when you were diagnosed with type one diabetes?
Speaker 1 1:09:52
I was 14 years old when I was diagnosed with type one diabetes
Scott Benner 1:09:56
15 years ago. Wow. Yes. Okay. 14 years old. Are you like, do you remember what grade you were in?
Speaker 1 1:10:01
I actually do because we we have like an eighth grade promotion. So I had just had a great promotion. So I was going straight into high school. So it was a summer, heading into high school
Scott Benner 1:10:11
was that particularly difficult going into high school with this new thing?
Speaker 1 1:10:14
I it was unimaginable, you know, I missed my entire summer. So I went, I was going to a brand new school with, you know, our community, we brought three different schools together. So I was around a bunch of new people that I had not been going to school with. So it was hard trying to balance that while also explaining to people what type one diabetes was,
Scott Benner 1:10:34
did you even know? Or were you just learning at the same time,
Speaker 1 1:10:37
I honestly was learning at the same time, my hometown did not have an endocrinologist. So I was traveling almost over an hour to the nearest you know, pediatrician, like endocrinologist for children. So you know, outside of that I didn't have any type of support in my hometown.
Scott Benner 1:10:55
Was there any expectation of diabetes? Is somebody else in your family have type one? No, I
Speaker 1 1:11:00
was the first one to have type one of my family. And do you have children? Now?
Scott Benner 1:11:04
I do not know. Do you think you will one day, still
Speaker 1 1:11:07
gonna validate. But right now, I've just been traveling books at all my career myself. So
Scott Benner 1:11:12
what do you do? What's your career? Yeah, so
Speaker 1 1:11:14
I am a marketing leasing specialist for a student housing company. So we oversee about 90 properties throughout the US. So I've been working for them for about
Scott Benner 1:11:22
eight years now. And you get to travel a lot in that job. Yes, I
Speaker 1 1:11:27
experience a lot of travel. It's fun, but also difficult, especially with all your type one diabetes supplies, and all your electronics. So it's a bit of a hassle sometimes.
Scott Benner 1:11:36
What do you find that you absolutely need with you while you're traveling? diabetes wise,
Speaker 1 1:11:41
I have learned my biggest thing I need is some type of glucose. I have experienced lows, whether that's on a flight traveling, walking through the airport, and I used to always experience just being nervous to ask for some type of snack or anything. So I just felt, I felt like I needed to always have something on me. And that has made it my travel a lot easier.
Scott Benner 1:12:02
So growing up in the small town. What was your initial challenge during diagnosis? And what other challenges did you find along the way?
Speaker 1 1:12:13
Yeah, I think the initial one, I felt isolated, I had no one to talk to that it was experiencing what I was going through, you know, they were people would say, Oh, I know, this is like hard for you. But I was like, you really don't like I, I just felt lonely. I didn't know you know, people were watching everything I did. He was like, You can't eat this, you can't eat that. I felt like all of my childhood had been you know, I don't even remember what it was like for life before diabetes at this point, because I felt like that's the only thing I could focus on was trying to do a life with type one diabetes, when
Scott Benner 1:12:47
you found yourself misunderstood? Did you try to explain to people or did you find it easier just to stay private?
Speaker 1 1:12:54
I honestly I just held back I didn't really like talking about it. It was just it felt like it was just an repeating record where I was saying things and people weren't understanding it. And I also was still in the process of learning it. So I just, you know, kept it to myself didn't really talk about it was I absolutely had to,
Scott Benner 1:13:12
did you eventually find people in real life that you could confide in. I
Speaker 1 1:13:17
think I never really got the experience until after getting to college. And then once I graduated college, and moving to an even bigger town, that's what I finally found that was people where I was like, Okay, there's a lot of other people that have type one diabetes. And you know, there's a community out there, which I had never experienced before, is
Scott Benner 1:13:38
college where you met somebody with diabetes for the first time or just where you met more people with different ways of thinking. So
Speaker 1 1:13:44
I met my first person with diabetes, actually, my freshman year of high school, there was only one other person. And he had had it since he was a kid, like y'all once this was like, maybe born, or like right after that timeframe. So that was the only other person I knew until I got to college. And I started meeting other people. I was a member of the band, and I was an RA. So I was like, Okay, there's, you know, there's a small handful of people also at my university, but then, once I moved to, I moved to St. Louis. And a lot of my friends I met were like med students, and they were young professionals. And that's where I started really getting involved with one of my really close friends his day, he was also type one diabetic. And I was like, that's who introduced me to all these different types of communities and technologies, and which is really what helped jumpstart my learning more in depth with type one diabetes.
Scott Benner 1:14:35
Do you think I mean, there was that one person in high school, but you were young? Do you really think you were ready to build a relationship and around diabetes? Or did you even know the reason why that would be important at the time?
Speaker 1 1:14:46
I didn't know you know, I honestly didn't think about it. I just was like, Oh, there's another person in my class that's kind of going through the same thing as I am but they've also had it a lot longer than I have. So they kind of got it down. They don't I'll really talk about it. And I was like, Well, I don't really have much to, like, connect with him. So sorry, connect with him on. Yeah,
Scott Benner 1:15:06
no. So now once your world expands as far as different people, different backgrounds, different places in college, you see the need to connect in real life, but there's still only a few people, but there's still value in that, right?
Unknown Speaker 1:15:18
Correct.
Scott Benner 1:15:19
What do you think that value was at the time?
Speaker 1 1:15:22
I think it was just what making me feel like I was just a normal person. I just wanted that. And I just, I needed to know that like, you know, there was other people out there with type one diabetes experiencing the same type of, you know, thoughts that I was having.
Scott Benner 1:15:37
When were you first introduced to the Medtronic champions community? Yeah.
Speaker 1 1:15:42
So about two years ago, I was, you know, becoming more I was looking around and I noticed stumbled upon the Medtronic community. And I was like, this is something I really, really, I kind of need, you know, I said, I, all throughout these years, I was, you know, afraid to show my pump. You couldn't, I would wear long sleeves, like, didn't want people to see my CGM, because I didn't want people to ask me questions. And you know, I just felt so uncomfortable. And then I noticed seeing these people really, in the Medtronic community just they embraced it, you could see them, they weren't afraid to show it. And that was something I was really looking forward to.
Scott Benner 1:16:17
How was it knowing that your diabetes technology is such an important part of your health and your care? And having to hide it? What did it feel like to have to hide that diabetes technology? And how did it feel to be able to kind of let it go,
Speaker 1 1:16:30
I will refuse to go anywhere, like, I would run to the bathroom, I just didn't want to do it in public, because I felt like people were watching me. And that was just one of the hardest things I was trying to overcome. You know, I was fresh out of college, going into the professional world. So you know, going out on work events and things like that. I just, I just didn't think I just didn't think to have it out. Because I was so afraid. But then, once I did start, you know, embracing again and showing it that's when the curiosity came and it was actually genuine questions and people wanting to know more about the equipment that I'm on, and how does this work? And what does this mean? And things like that which meet, it kind of inspired me? Because I was like, Okay, people actually do want to understand what I'm experiencing with type one diabetes.
Scott Benner 1:17:15
What did you experience when, when the internet came into play? And now suddenly as easy as a hashtag, and you can meet all these other people who are living with diabetes as well? Can you tell me how that is? Either different or valuable? I guess, compared to meeting a few people in real life?
Speaker 1 1:17:32
Absolutely. I think if you look back from when I was first diagnosed to now, you, I would have never thought of like, you know, searching anything for someone with, you know, a type one diabetes. And now it's like, it's all I see, you know, you can easily search Medtronic champions, and you see people that pop up, and you're like, wow, look at all this content. And I think that's something that that kind of just motivates me, and which is how I've kind of came out of my shell and started embracing more and posting more on my social media with about, you know, how I live with type one diabetes. And I think that's something that I hope can inspire everyone else. What
Scott Benner 1:18:06
was it like having more personal intimate relationships in college with type one?
Speaker 1 1:18:11
I think it was kind of hard to explain, you know, just, for example, like, no one really knows, it understands, like what a logo is. And I think that was a very hard thing for me to explain, like I, you know, it can happen in any moment. And I'm sweating. I'm just really like, not all there. And I'm trying to explain, like, Hey, this is what's going on, I need your help. And I think that was something that was hard for me to, you know, I did talk to people about it. So when this happened, they were like, oh, you know, what's going on with your mate? I'm actually a type one diabetic? This is what's going on? I need your help. What about?
Scott Benner 1:18:49
Once you've had an experience like that in front of someone? Was it always bonding? Or did it ever have people kind of step back and be maybe more leery of your relationship? After
Speaker 1 1:19:02
I would tell someone I had type one diabetes after some type of event or anything, they were kind of more upset with me that I didn't tell them upfront. Because they were like, you know, I care about you, as a person I would have loved to knowing this about you. It's not anything you should have to hide from me. And that was a lot of the realization that I was going through with a lot of people.
Scott Benner 1:19:19
Okay, let me ask you this. And now we talked about what it was like to be low, and to have that more kind of emergent situation. But what about when your blood sugar has been high or stubborn? And you're not thinking correctly, but it's not as obvious maybe to you or to them? Yeah.
Speaker 1 1:19:33
So I also I go through my same experiences when I have high blood sugars, you know, I can tell like, for my co workers, for example, I didn't really talk to you know, when I go out backtrack, when I visit multiple sites for work, I usually don't announce it. And so sometimes, I'm working throughout the day, I might have snacks, forgot to take some insulin, and my blood sugar is running high and I'm a little bit more irritable. I'm all over We're the place. And I'm like, let me stop. Hey, guys, I need to like take some insulin and I'm sorry, I'm not I didn't tell you guys, I'm a diabetic. So you may be wondering why I'm kind of just a little bit snippy, you know, so I like to make sure I do that now going forward, because that's something I noticed. And it was kind of hindering me in my career because I was, you know, getting irritable, because I'm working nonstop. And I'm forgetting to stop, take a step back and focus on my diabetes, right? Hey,
Scott Benner 1:20:26
with the advent of new technologies, like Medtronic, CGM, and other diabetes technology, can you tell me how that's improved your life and those interactions with people? Yeah, I
Speaker 1 1:20:36
can. I feel confident knowing that it's working in the background, as someone and I always add what you said it, I have been someone that's really bad with counting my carbs. So sometimes I kind of undershoot it because I'm scared. But it allows me to just know that, hey, it's going, it's got my back if I forget something, and I think that allows me to have a quick, have a quick lunch. And then I'm able to get back into the work day because it's such a fast paced industry that I work in. So sometimes it is easy to forget. And so I love that I have that system that's keeping track of everything for me.
Scott Benner 1:21:09
Let me ask you one last question. When you have interactions online with other people who have type one diabetes, what social media do you find the most valuable for you personally? Like? What platforms do you see the most people and have the most good interactions on?
Speaker 1 1:21:25
Yeah, I've honestly, I've had tremendous interactions on Instagram. That's where I've kind of seen a lot of other diabetics reach out to me and ask me questions. I've commented, like, Hey, you're experiencing this too. But I've recently also been seeing tic TOCs. And, you know, finding on that side of it, I didn't, you know, see the videos in different videos. And I'm like, I would love to do stuff like that. But I just never had the courage. So I'm seeing people make, like, just the fun engagement videos now, which I love, you know, really bringing that awareness to diabetes. Yeah.
Scott Benner 1:21:54
Isn't it interesting? Maybe you don't know this. But there's some sort of an age cutoff somewhere where there is an entire world of people with type one diabetes existing on Facebook, that don't go into tick tock or Instagram and vice versa. Yeah. And I do think it's pretty broken down by, you know, when that platform was most popular for those people by age, but your younger people, I'm acting like, I'm 100 years old, but younger people seem to enjoy video more.
Speaker 1 1:22:21
Yes, I think it's just because it's something you see. And so it's like, and I think the one thing and obviously, it's a big stereotype around diabetes is you don't like you have diabetes. And that's something I always face. And so when I see other people that are just, you know, normal, everyday people, and I'm like, they have type one diabetes, just like me, they're literally living their life having fun. That's just something you want to see. Because you don't get to see people living their everyday lives with diabetes. And I think that's something I've really enjoyed.
Scott Benner 1:22:51
What are your health goals? When you go to the endocrinologist, and you make a plan for the next few months? What are you hoping to achieve? And where do you struggle? And where do you see your successes, I'll
Speaker 1 1:23:02
be honest, I was not someone who is, you know, involved with my diabetes, I wasn't really focused on my health. And that was something that, you know, you go into an endocrinologist and you get these results back. And it's not what you want to hear. It gets, it makes you nervous, it makes you scared. And so I personally for myself, you know, I was like, This is my chain, this is my chance to change. I know, there's people that are living just like me, everyday lives, and they can keep their agencies and their blood sugar's under control. How can I do this? So I go in with, you know, I would like to see it down a certain number of points each time I would love for my doctor to be like, Hey, I see you're entering your carbs. I see you're, you know, you're not having lows. You're not running high, too often. That's my goal. And I've been seeing that. And that's what motivates me, every time I go to the endocrinologist where I don't dread going. It's like an exciting visit for me.
Scott Benner 1:23:50
So you'd like to set a goal for yourself and then for someone to acknowledge it to give you kind of that energy to keep going for the next goal. Yeah,
Speaker 1 1:23:58
I feel as a type one diabetic for me, and it's just a lot to balance. It's a hard our journey. And so I want someone when I go in, I want to be able to know like, Hey, I see what you're doing. Let's work together to do this. Let's you don't want to be put down like you know, you're doing horrible you're doing it's just, it's not going to motivate you because it's you're you're already fighting a tough battle. So just having that motivation and acknowledging the goods and also how we can improve. That's what really has been the game changer for me in the past two years.
Scott Benner 1:24:34
Jalen, I appreciate you spending this time with me. This was terrific. Thank you very much.
Unknown Speaker 1:24:38
Absolutely. Thank you.
Scott Benner 1:24:40
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Scott Benner 0:00
Hello friends and welcome to episode 1175 of the Juicebox Podcast.
Orisha is back you originally heard her in Episode 823. There are bugs in your belly. And today we're going to talk about a number of things but we're really going to dig down into glyphosate and non organic fruits and vegetables that have been treated with pesticides and how those things can affect your blood sugar. Please don't forget that nothing you hear on the Juicebox Podcast should be considered advice, medical or otherwise, always consult a physician before making any changes to your health care plan or becoming bold with insulin. If you have type one diabetes, or are the caregiver of someone with type one, please go to T one D exchange.org/juicebox. And fill out the survey when you complete the survey you are helping with type one diabetes research and you're supporting the Juicebox Podcast he won the exchange.org/juicebox If you're looking for a smart, simple way to stay safe online, you can get a 14 day free trial of aura at ora.com/juice Box A you are a.com/juice box or is proactive protection that does more to keep you safe online. Check it out with a free 14 day trial at my link
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Arisha 2:28
Hi, my name is Orisha. And I've had type one diabetes for about nine years. How
Scott Benner 2:34
old are you now? 1414? Are you the same age as the last time I recorded with you or no?
Unknown Speaker 2:39
I was 13
Scott Benner 2:40
Things have changed. I was also younger than I think we maybe not. When did we record
Arisha 2:48
in December like winter break?
Scott Benner 2:50
Oh, I'm still the same way? No, I understand the calendar. Just let me go through it in my head. I am older too. We're both older. Okay. Let me know when my birthday is for people who are interested. And after they hear you talk today they are going to be interested you were on episode 823. That's called there are bugs in your belly. Is that right? Yeah. And we had such a good time that you're coming back on again. Right? Yeah, okay. Yeah, for sure. That tell people why you're not at school right now. Um, because of the podcast, we're making a podcast. Yeah. You are gonna go later today, we can take the whole day off.
Arisha 3:28
I have like, so I only have like three classes in the morning. And then I have lunch at like 10. So I might just go after lunch because I have more classes after lunch anyway.
Scott Benner 3:39
Okay. What grade you in? I'm a freshman freshman in high school. Okay. And your parents are fine with you skipping like they're not at work and think you're at school, right? No, no, they're
Unknown Speaker 3:48
they work from home. Okay,
Scott Benner 3:50
they know all this is happening. Yeah, I now appreciate this is going to you being on twice is going to piss some people off. Let me tell you why. First of all, I don't have people on twice very often. And secondly, I don't have a lot of kids. And then people complain to me, like you should have more kids on. And I always tell them, I think your kids might be boring. So I don't want to do that. But you were terrific last time. So we set it back up to come on again. What do you want to talk about this time?
Arisha 4:15
I feel like we talked a lot about food last time. So we could go like a little more into that. I feel like
Scott Benner 4:22
Do you think there's more good so we talked a lot about how you eat actually. Yeah, as a matter of fact, I almost called your episode, like how we eat however she eats but then we talked about the microbes in your belly. And that was more fun. Let's just remind people just a brief overview like what's your eating style like? So basically,
Arisha 4:43
I like I'm pretty much vegan. And I like so I don't eat dairy and like, I don't really add any red meat like occasionally only fish. But that's the most and then I'm usually like gluten free. Recently we started eating like what's it called? We Just a little though,
Scott Benner 5:01
just started mixing a little bit of wheat.
Arisha 5:03
Yeah, because it's like, not bad for you. I think it's like the glyphosate in it. Like, it's like a weed killer that people use. I think that's like the bad part.
Scott Benner 5:12
Why do you know all about that? Do your parents teach you about that? Or do you learn about it?
Arisha 5:16
Both my parents are like, really? Just in the food and stuff. Okay.
Scott Benner 5:20
Okay. So they're not like making you eat one way. And they're like, busy.
Unknown Speaker 5:25
The whole family like,
Scott Benner 5:27
diet, remind people, how many people in your family?
Unknown Speaker 5:30
My mom, my dad, and my brother, your brother? Your
Scott Benner 5:33
brother is older or younger? He's three. It's definitely younger. Yeah, see? That's where my math is razor sharp. So I see your 14 that kids three, he's only got one number and his age. So yeah, he's got to be younger than you have to age. I remember being incredibly impressed with you while we were talking. And I don't know, I guess at the end, I was like, You should come back with something. And we like that we're doing it. So I appreciate you doing this. I appreciate you skipping school to do it. Education is important. I feel like I should say, but maybe a half a day is not gonna hurt anything. Right? Yeah. What are you really missing?
Arisha 6:10
First Aid. I have AP Stats, I have that I have honors bio, and then ceramic. So like, I feel like you can't really go wrong in something like ceramics. So I think that's fine. And then yeah, we had a test and stats, so I can just make that up. Like, at the end of the day or tomorrow. I
Scott Benner 6:27
think we can call this episode where she's here to make you feel bad about yourself. Did you say AP Stats? Bio, and you'll just make this desktop? It'll be no problem. Yeah,
Arisha 6:36
I don't like that. Like, I feel like this year is a lot harder than last year. Okay. I don't like like school, like all the classes. Like there's so much homework.
Scott Benner 6:46
Is this the first time this isn't the first time you're switching rooms for classes? Is it? No, no, no. So but you went to a different building, I imagine. Oh, yeah.
Arisha 6:55
My school goes from like elementary all the way to like high school in different buildings. So what's
Scott Benner 7:00
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Arisha 8:29
Honestly, it's not that different. Because in my middle school, there's only like two grades. Okay,
Scott Benner 8:33
alright, just seventh and eighth. So
Unknown Speaker 8:35
it's not that big of a deal.
Scott Benner 8:36
And the older kids are not like problematic, not
Arisha 8:39
really because like for like first period, I just have like a lot of seniors in my class seniors and juniors. And they're actually like, really like normal. Explain that. But they're just like, no one really talks. I feel like they're all like kind of quiet. And
Scott Benner 8:54
they don't look at you thinking she's taking a class as a freshman that I'm taking it as a senior. A
Arisha 9:00
lot of people in my school just take those like to get all their math credits. And as a senior just kind of felt like, there was like two other like freshmen in my class, but I don't know them at all. Is
Scott Benner 9:13
your district. Like, do they send a lot of kids to a lot of good colleges?
Unknown Speaker 9:16
I think so. Yeah.
Scott Benner 9:18
Where are you hoping to go?
Arisha 9:19
Probably like LSU. Or like, if not OSU? Like somewhere big? You know?
Scott Benner 9:25
Yeah. So you're Are you sort of in the Midwest? Yeah. And you'd like to go to a big car like, yeah, like bands and football games and 40,000 people and that kind of stuff. What makes that attractive?
Arisha 9:40
I don't know. It's just nice. Like,
Scott Benner 9:42
it seemed fun.
Arisha 9:43
Like, yeah, just seems fun. Because like, I feel like right now, like there's like, we always have like football games on Friday. And like, there's like no time to do anything. I feel like, like you can't go to like because of football games and stuff and then like, so I just feel like it'd be fun in college to do all those things.
Scott Benner 9:59
Okay, well, I think it probably will be. Yeah, I
Arisha 10:03
feel like I'm high school. It's really overrated. I feel like they're all kinda like,
Scott Benner 10:07
high school is overrated. Yeah,
Arisha 10:09
it's really I feel like it's really overrated. I don't think it's that like, great. Like,
Scott Benner 10:14
what did you expect? Like, what did you picture in your mind that didn't end up being?
Arisha 10:18
So basically, out in the high school and the middle school, we have like a loop because they're like, right next to each other. And you can like, drop them off, I thought we would have like a nice little area that we could drop off. And like, I wouldn't have to wait in the line for like, 20 minutes. But like, that's like the first thing and I just feel like it's the exact same like as middle school, except just more work and like classes,
Scott Benner 10:39
and more classes. All right. Yeah. Well, let's remind everybody how you manage what do you what kind of technology do you have?
Arisha 10:45
I have a Dexcom, G six and Omnipod? Five?
Scott Benner 10:49
How are you enjoying the Omnipod? Five?
Arisha 10:51
It's a lot better. I think after a month, it just starts working a lot better than it like, start like started to begin.
Scott Benner 10:57
Yeah. And you eat like, like, high level get up in the morning. Let's just say on a day, you're not skipping school to make a podcast. What would you have for breakfast? Tell people.
Arisha 11:09
It's like this power shake thing. I still drink every day for breakfast.
Scott Benner 11:13
You do everyday? You have the power shake?
Unknown Speaker 11:15
Yeah. Right.
Scott Benner 11:16
Is that right with you? Is it is it green? Yeah, it's green. That's very nice. I turn cage you on in the morning when I get up. But it's not. It's your it's like thick.
Arisha 11:25
On the bottom. It's a little thick. But I use like I am the brand that's called period. Because it's like certified non glyphosate free. Not on it's everything's organic. And it has like, I don't even have to give any insulin or anything for it,
Scott Benner 11:39
or their carbs listed on it. And you look at least 60. And you don't have to give anything for it at all. Because it's like really good for you. You think that matters? If it's good for you, then the carbs don't matter? Of course. So you so you're let's just say your blood sugar's 90 And you down that, that drink, your blood sugar does not go up at all. Oh, it goes to like 150. But that's like it. Okay. And then the algorithm gives you insulin. Yeah. So you could Bolus for it. You're saying?
Arisha 12:10
Yeah, like, I don't think it's necessary. Like, sometimes I'll give a unit if it's like 140 or 150. But I just like, it really depends what you put in it. Because I put like power shake in it. And then I put like, the supplements that's called like zinc aid, which gives you like all the nutrients and then biomedic, which gets rid of all the glyphosate in your body.
Scott Benner 12:32
When biomedic does. Yeah, that's really good for us. I can I gotta be honest, I don't want weed killer in my body. I'll write down biomedic and look into it. Yeah, it's from the brand period. Let's be clear, you don't work for them. Your mom's not like a pyramid representative or something like that. Or? No, I'm just kidding. Did your parents listen to your podcast? Yeah. What did they think? They thought it was great. Yeah. Good. I'm glad. That's nice. I like that very much. You're taking a strong stance, you think people should not have weed killer on their foods? Yeah,
Arisha 13:05
because glyphosate is like the number one like cause of cancer. Like I've read it in some studies and stuff. It's like the worst thing for you like,
Scott Benner 13:15
like most people on podcast, I'm gonna get my information from a 14 year old. Because I feel like you've looked into it. If you haven't, you'll tell me. But isn't there a study that says that, like, a huge portion of the population has that in their system when they test for it?
Arisha 13:29
Yeah, because I've when people like eat food, if it's not organic, it like 99%, has glyphosate in it, because they're trying to like kill weed by doing it. And if it's not organic, like there are other things that say that it's gonna be in our soil now for 80 years. So whatever you do, it's like really hard to get out. So,
Scott Benner 13:49
so yeah, this is from The Guardian. The CDC reported that out of 20 310 Urine samples, that's a lot of pee on, taken from a group of Americans intended to be representative of the population. 1885 of them contained detectable traces of glyphosate. That's a lot of people out of 2300
Arisha 14:09
Yeah, because a lot of people don't eat organic, like I feel like so the government has a site that's called Ew, G, okay. And they have something that's called the Dirty Dozen, which has things like kale and like, collard greens, and all of those things. And those are in like corn to like, if you eat corn that's not organic. Like just watch how your blood sugar spikes up.
Scott Benner 14:32
Wow. By the way, you're not wrong about this. And I'm now remembering more and more why we enjoyed talking to you so much while I'm continuing to the site. So ew. g.org Yeah, and I Googled Dirty Dozen. It's the 2023 shoppers guide to pesticides in produce. It's trademarked by the way. I'm just going to click on number one. Oh, no, there's no clicking. It's just the list. Strawberries spinach, kale, collard greens, peaches, pears, nectarines, too. This stuff all has that on it. Yeah,
Arisha 15:03
like you want to eat that like only if it's organic, or you don't want to eat it, especially grapes to like once, I think when we weren't into all this organic stuff, like the highest my blood sugar has ever gone. It's like 540 once and that was because I had grapes and they weren't organic, like, not totally because it went so like.
Scott Benner 15:25
Okay, hold on a second, let's keep looking glyphosate.
Arisha 15:28
There's also the list that's called the clean 15 from ew G,
Scott Benner 15:32
really the clean the clean 15
Arisha 15:36
That's like the foods that you should be able to eat without having them organic and stuff. But I think those are like, like bananas and stuff.
Scott Benner 15:46
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Arisha 18:27
It's not like all around diabetes. It's more about like autoimmune, okay. It's called type one takes. It's on like Spotify and Apple. But I haven't posted in a while but I'll start posting
Scott Benner 18:40
more. Why do you not post you're better at this than I am. You should do that.
Arisha 18:43
I do. I just post like once a week, and I just don't like I have them all, but I just need to like edit them and add an intro and all it's
Scott Benner 18:51
hard is it's a lot of work. I know it's a lot. Type one takes? Yeah. Is it all together is type one one word, I'm trying to find it high. It's like
Arisha 19:01
type with a T capitalized and then just a one. Like the numerical value and then takes with the capitalized t
Scott Benner 19:09
because I have access to all of the available podcasts. Maybe yours. Yeah, I'm just I'm looking on the on the master list here. I never led podcasters come on here. This is a big deal for you. You
Unknown Speaker 19:25
should show up on mine. Oh, I'll
Scott Benner 19:27
do that. That'd be fun. Oh my god. Yeah. You want to do that? Yeah, I'll do that. Is it does it have a website? Yeah,
Arisha 19:34
here I can show it I can see effects like if I show you maybe you'll recognize it. Well, that's one thing.
Scott Benner 19:40
I googled type one takes Apple podcasts and you know I came up what my podcasts came up the way it should be. Oh look like that. Here? No, take your watch me make you jealous. Hey, Rob, while you're editing this take out The dead space where we were looking for her podcast, please. But leave that part in Rob. I got it. on Spotify. I'm gonna follow you on Spotify. Thank you the reality of leaky gut tips on managing your type one diabetes. Look at you. Go crazy. All right, good job. Yeah, you're good at this. You should keep going. Alright, so we don't want glyphosate in our food. What else don't we want to be eating? I feel
Speaker 1 20:27
like everything like Cheerios, Cheerios has glyphosate.
Scott Benner 20:32
Do you really think this one thing? Is that impactful that you just you focus completely on ignoring, avoiding it? Yeah. And I'm gonna get it in everything. If it's not marked organic.
Arisha 20:45
No, there's like, there's this one like, so like, I'm not gonna like hate on Cheerios, but they probably have like a lot. They have like the most glyphosate like in studies and stuff. No kidding. Yeah. Ben
Scott Benner 20:56
and Jerry's ice cream hold on us. I googled what is glyphosate found in glyphosate has also been found in miscellaneous products like Ben and Jerry's ice cream, non organic cotton, nonword tampons, why don't use them, but I know how they work. And I don't think I want weed killer on those either. If I was going to use one, even drinking water, it's found in 75% of air and rain samples. What that hell?
Arisha 21:22
Because it spreads really fast, like,
Scott Benner 21:24
Well, how am I going to avoid it? If it's in the rain? Oh, I
Arisha 21:27
don't know about that. But like, there's like grocery shops linked near to like farms, like even their like organic produce that's near them. Like the glyphosate like travels from, like the glyphosate used in the farm to like, the grocery store, like it's that crazy.
Scott Benner 21:42
I mean, I'm assuming at some point you and your parents ate differently. And then you switched. What was the change that happened when you made the switch, like the food no to your body and your life. So
Arisha 21:53
this was like COVID year, like, when it was everything was kind of out of place, like my blood sugar. So I would eat breakfast. Like I used to drink like chocolate milk for breakfast. This is like bringing up memories. But like, I used to drink like chocolate milk for breakfast and like a muffin. And then I used I was like, 10 Oh my gosh, and I was and then I would go on a bike ride. And I would be to add for three hours, it was just like that it would go to 40. And I would eat lunch, it would just like it was a roller coaster. Like I'm drinking
Scott Benner 22:21
Earl Grey tea that my wife brought back for me from her trip to England. And I'm freaking out that there's glyphosate.
Arisha 22:30
Because in all the other like all these other countries, like in Europe, and India and the UK, but like besides like Canada and the United States, those two countries have like the most in it, because like everywhere else, it's banned. Like you can look at a list at like everything that's banned, like all those.
Scott Benner 22:48
I'm gonna say something that I think I've heard and then you'll tell me if you know about it or not. Okay, they use the glyphosate to kill the weeds. Yes. But it would also kill the plants. So they genetically alter the plants, so that the glyphosate doesn't kill them. Is that right? Yeah. I can't be good either. kind of
Arisha 23:10
know, that. Like, there's like, weed killers like the worst thing though, because it's like, killing weeds. And weeds are like kind of natural. So it's like, kills everything.
Scott Benner 23:21
I'm not a I wasn't an AP Bio. So I might not get this right. But it feels to me that if you're going to take a seed and genetically alter it, so that weed killer can't hurt it. That's bizarre because now the weeds now the I don't know, let's say corn right now the corns in the field. weeds are growing all around it. The farmer probably drops it from a plane. I don't know how they do it, that everything gets covered. So the weed killer hits the corn, it hits the weeds, it hits the grass, it hits the ground. Everything dies except the corn but the corn still has the weed killer on it. It just it just doesn't kill it. Yeah,
Arisha 23:57
because they've like genetically modified the corn right as well. The court like corn is like the worst thing to eat. That's like not organic because it has so many pesticides, because corn attracts like so many bugs. So that's why like recently we started finding like organic corn Apple foods. No kidding. Yeah, I was like so excited.
Scott Benner 24:18
I mean, you're freaking me out. But I'm gonna pay more attention to this. I think did we talk about this last time?
Unknown Speaker 24:23
We talked about like leaky gut. Yeah,
Scott Benner 24:26
we didn't talk about this though. Right? No, yeah. That's by the way, you want to know the secret? Well, I don't let people come on twice. Why? Because that's too repetitive. No, because I can't remember what I talked about with them. So I can't just the next. People was like, I want to come back. And I'm like, here's what's gonna happen. I'm gonna ask you the same questions and it's gonna be like, and you're gonna be like, You already asked me this. And then I'm gonna have to admit, I don't remember talking to you. It's funny. I make a lot of these. And so they're difficult to remember. You understand? Yeah. What made you start a podcast?
Arisha 24:58
I just feel like there's so Much like misconception about like, all these kinds of things, that a lot of things just need to be like clarified, like a lot of people think that if they just eat low carbs, like their blood sugars will be managed well like that's not true. So
Scott Benner 25:12
if you're having you think if you even if you're low carb, but you're eating kind of non organic stuff that has these glyphosates and other stuff in it, that it's still gonna push your blood sugar up.
Arisha 25:22
Yeah, cuz if you eat salad that has, like, not organic stuff in it. I feel like your blood sugar's gonna rise, like really bad.
Scott Benner 25:29
We should definitely listen to your 14 you know, a lot. Right? Yeah. I mean, you can skip a test and take it the next day and still be okay. I can't do that. I don't know. I didn't pay attention in school. Do you think that's why I didn't do well. I was so surprised when I graduated. I was like, Oh, me, really? That's crazy. I don't think you're probably didn't teach me anything. It was my fault. Mostly. Was it my fault? Most like, can we blame someone else? No. I think we can blame me probably. I did not enjoy going to school. And I was resistant to it. I wish I wasn't I can honestly tell you as an adult. It's one of my biggest regrets is not just taking that part seriously paying attention. And then seeing what that sparked in what I was interested in. I could have like, extended and looked into other things like you are I just I didn't do that. I didn't grow up that way. I grew up like the idea of like, you go to school because the government says you go to school, and my mom will get arrested if I don't go and then go get a job. Like that was kind of how it was raised. But what do you think you want to do? an endocrinologist. You just want to be an endocrinologist? Yeah, that's pretty cool. You think you can do that? Get that accomplished? Yeah, like 100%. Nice. Not hard, right? Just go to school, become a doctor. Now. When you become a doctor? Are you going to talk to people about this stuff? Are you afraid it's gonna freak them out? And they're not going to understand what you're saying? And you're only gonna have 10 minutes to talk to them and they're gonna leave and go like, Oh, my God, my doctor is weird. She said, there's a bug killer on my corn. I
Arisha 27:07
feel like if you can, like, if they like try it themselves, they just like move like no, because, like, you can just see the difference, just like by looking at it by looking at your blood sugars like,
Scott Benner 27:18
Okay, I'm sorry, Arden's blood sugar's a little low. So I'm texting with my wife about it. Here, Arden will appreciate this. She's getting her period. She's eating better. Because her freshman year in college, this is gonna happen to you too, by the way, you're gonna go to this college, this big school, and the food they're going to give you is going to be garbage, alright, it's going to be and it's going to be all just like preservatives, and everything else. And then you're gonna have like, you're gonna have to go find your own food. You have to cook and as a freshman, that's going to be difficult. And on a big campus, you're not gonna have a car, like, what are you going to do about that? You can't cook as a freshman. I mean, where are you getting a kitchen from?
Unknown Speaker 27:59
Oh, CFD, that sounds really bad.
Scott Benner 28:01
You can't be an endocrinologist. Okay, does everybody want to hear Arden? Like wake up from asleep? Because I think calling. I think that's about to happen. Hold on. I'm gonna tell her she ate too much glyphosate. She's trying that she's been doing all nighters for a couple of nights and she's sleeping this morning. Where she's dead. It's been forwarded to an automatic voice message. That didn't go well. We'll try again. Your call has been forwarded to an automatic voice. Well, now what do we do? Future endocrinologist. Let me take a look and see where she's at. She's in a dorm. It's an apartment actually on campus. I can't on campus apartment. She was in a dorm last year. But she moved to on campus housing like this specifically because she wanted to kitchen because she said it was just too hard to Bolus for the food they were giving her. Excuse me, she was using so much insulin. It was like it was not going well. And she said one of the only things she said when she got home was I got to make my own food. Next year. Yeah, sure. I can't keep eating there. She's cooking most days. But there's still times where she's like, you know, like, which after dinner, she's like, I warmed up this or I bought a frozen this and I'm like, Well, okay, but it's still going much better than than the food she was eating at the school. As a matter of fact, I think some of these low blood sugars that she's been having the last couple days. It's partly because she's just been awake for like, way to like, you know, I mean, she's not sleeping. Yeah. And she's working at school. And I think the other thing is, is that as time goes on, I think maybe her settings are a little strong. Yeah, and now she's not eating that same food anymore. Yeah. Alright, so we're gonna try our caller one more time and see if we can wake her up. Yeah, cuz her blood sugar is just it's just keeps drifting down. So if she doesn't answer that As time, you know we do next, Find My iPhone makes terrible noise. So like, I don't know if she's like in the shower. automatic voice message system. Alright, so here we go. So here's one for people who have iPhones find my, and you open it up, and then you go to devices. And then you scroll down to Arden's phone. Then it says play sound off that you push play. And now it's playing a sound on our phone. And I don't know if you've ever done this before. It's like a huge like loud, it's not a great sound. Yeah. Then she's going to wake up and be irritated. And
Speaker 1 30:40
I'm going to text her. What is she studying? Arden's
Scott Benner 30:43
going to fashion school? She's learning how to make clothing. Wow. So said, I've sent her a text, well wait a minute and see if she answers the text. If not, I'll try to call again in a second. Yes, she's learning how to design clothing. She was in high school like you as a freshman, she didn't know what you wanted to do. As a sophomore, I don't think she really had any thoughts. But in COVID, and like her sophomore ish, juniors, like gap in there, she started talking about, she either wanted to go for pre law, or she wanted to make clothing. Those were her two choices. And she just went back and forth about it. And she decided she's like, I really want to go to fashion school and learn how to make clothing. So the really cool thing about Arden that I don't think we talked about is that she was not like an artistic person, meaning she wasn't a person who spent time drawing or painting or anything like that. She'd never sewn anything. Like she didn't know how to sew like she had nothing. When she got to college, her first drawing class was like the first time she tried to draw. Wow, yeah. And she said that the other day, they were doing, they're doing life drawing right now. So she had this project, she had to spend six hours in the lab drawing skeleton, a skeleton. And like, and like removing it and like moving it around drawing it again. And doing all these sketches like she had to she did like, it looks like there's 50 of them on this sheet. And she said that the other day in class, her teacher asked to say it, and then pull it up in the front and use it as an example for everybody in the class. Wow, she was really happy. But no kidding. Like a year and a half ago, I've never tried to draw anything in her life. So it's she's she puts her mind to it. She's going to get it done. You know, I know where to try to call again. Interesting. I'm sorry, this is taking up your time. We'll keep talking but don't worry about it. Okay. Your call has been forwarded. Right? This is not going particularly well.
Unknown Speaker 32:46
Does she have a roommate? Yep. I'm
Scott Benner 32:47
gonna try a roommate now. So now it's gonna start over again with a different with a different 19 year old girl. Now we'll try calling her Hey, aren't as low do you think you'll wake her up? Yeah, thank you. Okay, so let's just assume they're gonna take care of that. And keep going. What changes did you see in your health? Or do you think your parents have talked about with you after like cutting all that out and going completely organic?
Arisha 33:23
So last time, we like talked about this one thing where I went to a functional medicine doctor. And they did all his tests like the before part. And they like said my energy was like a, like a six year old man's energy. Like, because my energy level was really low. How
Scott Benner 33:40
did they test for that? And with bloodwork, though? Like there's not an energy blood test? Did you have like, Do you know what they did? I think it was like urine samples. Okay, so when you made the changes, did you actually fear your feel your energy level rise?
Arisha 33:55
Oh, yeah. Because like, there's like, I feel like fifth grade and like seventh grade are really different. So like, I feel like I was able to, like manage more. I used to do a lot of sports and like fifth period. And like, for some reason, I was like never good at them. Like I don't even know why. But like in seventh grade, I just caught like really good at them.
Scott Benner 34:11
You just you started to just have more physical energy. Yeah, about mental clarity. Do you have any, like, thoughts about that? Has that changed for you at all?
Arisha 34:21
I don't really feel like that that much. Because then like, when I was like, five, I like five to fifth grade. I was like, completely gluten free. And like, I don't eat junk food and all that kind of stuff. But like occasionally like maybe once or twice, but like not really like regularly or anything. So like, I feel like first to fifth grade. I was like pretty, like, decent, like food wise. But like in sixth grade. It got like bad because of COVID. So I just feel like I've never really had any like, mental like, clarity type thing.
Scott Benner 34:52
Yeah. What's the worst thing you eat in the course of a week? Like that's something that this whole week, like in a week and you're like, oh, I shouldn't I mean that but I did. Oh, I have a picture, a picture of what you ate.
Arisha 35:04
I just don't know what it's called. Okay? It's like these unreal. They're like these peanut butter cups. They have like, they kind of look Yeah, they look like this. That's
Scott Benner 35:14
the worst thing you ate. Yeah.
Arisha 35:18
Or like I chew gum occasionally. Mines like mines like as part I'm free and all so we're good with that
Scott Benner 35:24
aspartame free. Yeah, I'm just letting people know Arden's awakes, take care of herself, and I'm texting her when you're awake. Let's talk. So gum, and a really healthy peanut butter cup.
Arisha 35:36
Yeah, yeah, kinda think. There's these like, I don't really know because I just like for lunch. I usually just eat like a salad or like, oh, there's these things in Costco. They're Owlman tortillas. Okay, from the brand Cha. They're like really good. Like,
Scott Benner 35:56
those. You like almond tortillas?
Arisha 35:59
Yeah, they're not organic, but they're really like, their ingredients are clean. And yeah.
Scott Benner 36:08
Amen. Dessert. No, wait. That's tortoise. It's
Arisha 36:11
from the brim like s i e. T. I think that toast fellow.
Scott Benner 36:16
Turns out. I'm not the first person to Google almond tortillas, Costco. And I si, e t. E. Yes, and almond flour tortillas. And those. Those are good. Yeah,
Arisha 36:28
so we put that until like, my dad makes this little pizza thing. Like, and my brother loves it too. So basically, he just adds like one of them on the bottom. And then he had like the this red sauce. It's just, it's just tomatoes. That's all it is.
Scott Benner 36:44
Are they thin? Like could I rat like because I use a wrap every morning with my egg and some fruit and some protein. Should I try these? You could try
Arisha 36:53
it if you didn't have that much like in the wrap but they also saw like cassava
Scott Benner 36:57
once, okay, what the hell? Is that a word? Yeah,
Arisha 37:01
cassava. It's, it's like a root of something.
Scott Benner 37:05
Okay. I'll check into this. You have
Arisha 37:08
to get that one out whole foods that but like it, but it's a lot bigger too. So like, sometimes I'll just eat one of those for lunch. Would that be like otherwise? Then we put like the forger cheese on them. It's like really good. Like a little pizza.
Scott Benner 37:19
So even when I'm having my little wrap, it's got wheat in it. You're thinking the weeds? Probably not organic. So I'm doing that with that. So I'm trying to eat healthy and I'm still killing myself.
Arisha 37:31
Because the wheat we intend like a problem. There's this one brand. Oh my god, I forgot. It's like, just let me find it. But it's like organic. And if we isn't the problem, it's like the stuff that's been put on the wheat because there's so much glyphosate on the itself. But like cassava is a really good replacement for wheat. If like someone does wheat doesn't suit someone. But other than that, I feel like we it's not that
Scott Benner 37:56
bad. I'm seeing that the company I use for my tortillas has an organic version, but I it's not the ones I buy. Interesting. Okay.
Arisha 38:05
Oh, this is the brand it's called jovial J of the aisle. That's like, because they have that's the we started using because it's glyphosate free, organic, non GMO,
Scott Benner 38:17
jovial foods. All right. Oh, and then but if I eat like you don't eat meat, but you eat fish. Yeah, it's like seafood. Not that much. Like
Arisha 38:27
I'll eat it. Like I don't have anything against it. Like if it's in like if we're making it. I'll eat it.
Scott Benner 38:31
Are you scared of mercury?
Speaker 1 38:33
Not really. Because we get not with not farm raised.
Scott Benner 38:37
Like wild caught. Yeah, well, no, I think there's like, I mean, I think you should just not eat at all because you'll die in a couple of weeks. But at least there won't be any bad stuff in your food. No, I mean, I hear people say all the time not to eat too much shellfish are crustaceans because of mercury and something like that. But I mean, in certain maybe tuna as well. I don't
Arisha 39:02
need to know. I think it's disgusting. I just don't like the way it tastes even like
Scott Benner 39:06
a tuna steak.
Arisha 39:07
I don't just like I don't like certain types of fish. I'm gonna like Feldman. And like, that's the only fish I really like. Asked me like certainly cook. Like if I go out and they're like serving fish. Like, I just don't like it. It
Scott Benner 39:21
says the tuna is very nutritious. It's also high mercury compared to most other fish. Okay. You like salmon? Yeah,
Arisha 39:28
but like more than salmon. I feel like we should. Like shrimp is probably the most thing.
Scott Benner 39:36
Looks like salmon is not too bad for mercury. Swordfish is. I wonder why some are higher than others. Salmon doesn't have much at all it says it's interesting. Like why would one are they all in the same water? All right. Well, you're bumming me out. But you really feel like it has an impact on your blood sugar. So like yeah, Do me a favor. Tell me what you ate yesterday, like the whole day. breakfast to lunch? Yeah. You had your drink in the morning.
Arisha 40:06
Okay, yeah. So, and then I had lunch and for lunch, I had like a salad. I put like a lot of fruits on myself.
Scott Benner 40:14
So fruit on the salad. Yeah,
Arisha 40:16
a lot of fruit. It just tastes better. All right. You made a thumbs up thing.
Scott Benner 40:20
Did it did it again. I'm sorry. I think I was just scratching my face that time. Really? Soon. Fix it. So salad with fruit. Yeah. And organic lettuce, kind of all the fruits organic.
Arisha 40:33
Yeah, cashes some raisins, raisins.
Scott Benner 40:36
And then for lunch for dinner. I
Arisha 40:39
had to yesterday was Monday. Yeah. Okay. So basically, then, so like, my lunch was at 10. So I took like a little snack break in school at like one. And it was like, it's like those like little fruit bars.
Scott Benner 40:53
Little fruit bars. Or snack break? Yeah. All right. And then dinner. I
Arisha 41:00
think yesterday I had mushroom soup. My mom made leaves like dal rotis. Like, lentils. Kind of things. Tell
Scott Benner 41:12
people the mushroom soups. Not creamy. It's but it's thin, right? Like clear. No, it's creamy. It is creamy. Yeah,
Unknown Speaker 41:19
we use the coconut milk.
Scott Benner 41:21
Okay, your mom made cream of mushroom soup with coconut milk? Why she was really good. I bet she does. Why does she have so much free time? What's going on there?
Arisha 41:30
I think she was working. She like makes mush. Like in the fall like around this time. We always like make a lot of soup for a couple of months. So we usually drink like this soup. Or like other soup. It's really easy. We just like put a bunch of things in like a pot, and then it cooks. And you just boil it. It's
Scott Benner 41:47
like not that. Okay, where did she get the mushrooms from? From the grocery store? Yep, from Costco, from Costco. Okay. And they're organic.
Arisha 41:56
Cool. Sounds like a lot of options. If you like trying to look, I
Scott Benner 42:00
have to say Costco does a weird because it's a warehouse. But they do a really good job of like, you know, they have a couple of first of all their business models, they find what people like, and then they knock it off. And then yeah, and then they make their own and they make their own, which oftentimes ends up being better than the thing that I don't want to start ripping off. I'm
Arisha 42:20
only mad. They like have this coconut milk, not coconut milk, coconut water. It was really good because it was like from I think, from Bangladesh or somewhere because it was really sweet. And it was like pink too. And then they just knocked it off because it was doing better than theirs. And then they just added and they just kept they're not like maybe
Scott Benner 42:39
they do that sometimes do they carry to get you excited about it. Then they stopped selling it. Yeah, I know they do that. So you guys go there you shop. You get your fruits and vegetables there. I don't like their bananas. Can I come right out and say at Costco, I don't think does a good job with Ben. Do you know what I mean? They're always kind of green and mushy and like never quite. I don't like them. They're never quite ready.
Arisha 43:00
We just like freeze the bananas because like we like make ice cream out of that sometimes. Oh, nice.
Scott Benner 43:06
Yeah, that's good, too. I think it's Yeah,
Arisha 43:09
I like after school. Like when it was really hot for like the first month of school everyday after school. Not every day, but most of the time I would take like they from Costco sells like these cubes of mangoes. So I just put them in the blender like a whole handful. And then I put like coconut cream. And then I blended it and it just tasted like shore but it was so good.
Scott Benner 43:29
You know I'm only eating coconut milk. Yogurt now.
Unknown Speaker 43:32
Really? What brand Oh,
Scott Benner 43:35
I don't hold on. I find out it's really
Unknown Speaker 43:36
some pretty good brands too. Oh, yeah.
Scott Benner 43:40
I need to talk to you more often. I'll probably be healthier if I just talk to you more often. So delicious. Like you I feel like you're so let down by me.
Speaker 1 43:48
I want to I want to know the brand and then like oh, that's what it's called. So delicious. Can I read the ingredients for that? Alright, I'm
Scott Benner 43:54
getting it. Hold on a second.
Unknown Speaker 43:55
Is it the vanilla?
Scott Benner 43:57
I have I do the banana and strawberry. I do vanilla. I do. Keyline
Arisha 44:03
I remember I used to eat this a long time ago. Yeah. Yeah.
Scott Benner 44:09
You got a better one now. Yeah. I assumed I wasn't going to have the right one. That's why I brought it up. Here the thing and this one is
Arisha 44:17
that I'm trying to like rethink find like working. So basically it says that it only has 2% or less than but has like all these been gums. And then it always says that has like natural flavors. That's like not good. You're like
Scott Benner 44:32
what does that mean? It's just not good. Okay, so All right, tell me what brands I should be looking for. Go ahead. I'm drinking out of my water which is I'm sure it's killing me.
Arisha 44:42
There's one brand it's called forger. I just don't like the
Scott Benner 44:45
way that taste. But that is gonna be a problem for me. No, but no, there's the sprint
Arisha 44:50
is really good. It's called cocoa June.
Speaker 1 44:53
This is what it looks like. It tastes really good. And I found it. It's probably one of my favorites. thing
Arisha 45:01
I was obsessed with it for this whole like, week not all I would eat
Scott Benner 45:05
cocoa when am I going to find this at Whole Foods looks like hippies make if there's not even a pictures on the packaging. Alright I'll go to hold on I'm writing this down Whole Foods. Coca June red pepper red not eating that. See this is the problem with hippies lemon dill red pepper this is supposed to be yogurt.
Speaker 1 45:25
Are you looking at the right thing because this just sounds like water and coconut
Scott Benner 45:32
learn more. Oh wait, this is a dip. Nevermind it's not the yogurt. It's like why would you put dual in yogurt? That's funny. But like I got it down mixed berry dark chocolate banana cinnamon vanilla bean. Alright, hold on. I'm gonna go get this today. Where did you tell me Whole Foods? Yeah, it's just over there yesterday. Now I gotta go back. Alright.
Arisha 45:57
We have like, Whole Foods. I'm like, they're like really close to each other.
Scott Benner 46:02
So basically, I'm eating yogurt, an egg and a wrap in the morning. I shouldn't be eating any of it. What about the egg? They don't spray weed killer in the chickens. Do they? Oh God, do they?
Speaker 1 46:12
They inject like karma. Alright, they're
Scott Benner 46:15
organic eggs. Yeah, they're gonna be small. No. Was that good? All right, so I have to go get organic eggs. They're gonna have those at Costco. Right? Yeah, they're gonna cost more thank God dammit. All right, hold on a second. Coach Yun yogurt. Organic eggs. And what the hell was the rap called? Pa 10. I got it. I eat
Arisha 46:43
the rap is like pretty good, though. Like the yogurt. Don't put the yogurt like in there without mixing like salt because it like it's all it's like sweet. A little sweet. Just like a little bit.
Scott Benner 46:54
I gotta put salt in the yogurt. Are you gonna put it in the wrap? No, I'm gonna eat it like I get up. Oh, yeah. Here's what happens. I get up in the morning. I take the athletic greens. I drink that right? Yeah, and I do my things. Right, like a shower. You know what I mean? Stuff like that. Get dressed. And then I have usually a yogurt. And yeah, and I take an egg. I scramble the egg with a little bit of butter. Cheese. This is the butter organic. Probably not let me write down butter. And then you should get
Arisha 47:23
like the vegan butter because theater is just really bad for you like butter and milk. Butter
Speaker 2 47:28
is the best thing in the world. It's the only thing that makes life worth living. What are you talking about? I can't eat butter. God dammit. Are you serious? What kind of what kind of what? Say it again? vegan butter. Yeah, that sounds horrible. Hold on a second. What the hell do you want?
Arisha 47:46
The thing is just don't like, get one with sunflower oil. Because that's like really bad.
Scott Benner 47:53
I don't do oils. That's
Arisha 47:54
what there's oil in the butter for like if you're gonna get vegan butter.
Scott Benner 47:58
Now. Yeah, now I'm confused. Can I just have butter? That's just butter. Oh,
Arisha 48:02
yeah. But like, hell. Yeah, but like the cow like they put stuff in my cow.
Scott Benner 48:08
Oh my god, this is terrible. Okay, hold on a second vegan butter. I'm buying and get like I want you to. I'm not kidding. I'm buying everything that you told me and I'm going to make my breakfast is like this for two weeks. That this is what I'm gonna do. But vegan butter is making me upset. But I'm looking.
Arisha 48:26
Well, you could get grass fed butter. Grass fed cow butter. That might be better. Alright.
Scott Benner 48:31
Alright. That's a good alright, I'll do that. But that also sounds expensive.
Arisha 48:35
I don't think like it's that because the thing and Deacon better is that we'll
Scott Benner 48:39
have a job. You don't know what this stuff cost? Talking about? You don't think is that expensive? Get the hell out of here. What do you find out? How much do you cost? Alright, okay, so wait, that's a Wait, I got butter in the pan. I'll get grass fed butter. And then I was buying my butter at Costco. And Costco has good butter. I know. But you told me not to eat it now. No, no, they
Unknown Speaker 49:06
have like the good grass fed stuff. Yeah, I don't eat dairy. But like I've seen it like, I just like, Look, girl.
Scott Benner 49:12
All right, I'll do that. You're gonna make me broke. Okay, so I'll do that. And then I make the egg. I can put pepper on my egg, right? Yeah, thank you make my egg. I'm gonna wrap it my arm and wrap. Yeah, I'm gonna wrap it's not gonna taste dry. No,
Arisha 49:29
no, no. Okay. And that's like really good. That's like, my favorite. I'm choosing
Scott Benner 49:33
to believe you. And then I would like I have some turkey like I took a turkey bread. Oh, God is the turkey organ. I don't know. I took the tour. I smoked a turkey breasts. So it's like smoky and nice. And then I was cutting that up and mixing that in with my egg and then wrapping it up and that was my breakfast. Okay, so this is not so even though that sounds incredibly healthy. It's not as good as it could be. No, and it's probably not even that healthy. It It's just yeah, that's insane. If I start eating like that, and I lose a bunch of weight, where do you live? I'm going to come to your house and say thank you don't tell me that you shouldn't tell people where you live. Okay, I have my list here. Wraps, butter, organic eggs. Cocoa, June. That's it Whole Foods. And we end up biomedic biomedic. What's it called?
Unknown Speaker 50:23
Here? Yeah.
Scott Benner 50:25
Pure like got it here. This is not a pill. This is or it's a it's a pill. It is. Oh, well, there that sounds easy. Can I get it on Amazon? Or no? Well, that does something bad happened to me. If I do it on Amazon.
Speaker 1 50:38
You probably could buy Holy crap. These are really expensive. No, no, but there's like a lot of them. It's they're $1 apiece. Well, like you're cleansing your body.
Scott Benner 50:49
And how long wait, how long is it going to take? Alright, period. biomedic is the first ever anti GMO supplement that helps protect your gut from glyphosate.
Unknown Speaker 50:58
How much is it? Isn't it only like 3060 tablet
Scott Benner 51:00
60 capsules with at least they're vegan capsules. And but $60 That's $1 apiece. My math is pretty cool. looking on Amazon. Yeah. Should I be looking somewhere else?
Arisha 51:12
No, Amazon like always upsells things you should go you should just get it on the website. Okay, cuz they have they get like a lot of coupons and stuff. Somebody
Scott Benner 51:20
says these smelled like fabric softener.
Speaker 1 51:24
They smell they're made out of cellulose or whatever it's called. I
Scott Benner 51:28
don't care. I'm just assuming that's a little tick that wrote that. I'm just gonna read it like, review. I started living with irritable bowel syndrome driving me crazy. Poop time was never consistent. running to the bathroom was getting on my nerves. My poop is so bow. Oh God, what is happening? Wait a minute. This is like such. Alright, ready? I've never done this before. Let's read this review. I don't care if anybody buys these or not. We're still read the review. It's from 2018 It says I'm gonna read it my podcast voice. I thought I would review this product on Amazon. Even though I didn't buy it from Amazon. I purchased directly from purism. Here's what happened to me. I was starting to have the irritable bowel syndrome and it was driving me crazy. Poop time was never consistent and running to the bathroom is getting on my nerves. Are you laughing at me? The the constant worry about whether I was going to poop my pants. I went from running to the bathroom with diarrhea to being constipated. And it was impossible to know what my gut was going to do produce our to our day to day. Well, this product seemed to have fixed all that. I feel like I sell I sell like the guy who sells the tape that he makes a boat out of it. Hello. I had only been taking it for about seven days. I started with one pill in the am and two in the evening. That's $3 a day. By the way, that's not part of her review. That's me talking. The recommended dose is two a day she doesn't care what the recommended dose and by the way, this could be a guy but I figured I would add a little extra in the beginning and after two weeks, I will go to the to a day me when people cannot write maintenance level. At day three or four. I can't remember now I was constantly. Why the hell does it matter if it was day three or four? And why do you have to tell people you can't remember just say a few days and I was consistently having normal daily bowel movements. Hold on, that wasn't the best part. Here comes this is why I'm reading this one. Normally, my poop is so foul. I flush as soon as it leaves my body to try to lessen the offensive odor that I exit the bathroom and close the door as quickly as possible. Now what's happening to this person? One day, I realized I didn't rush to flush. We're making a t shirt that says don't rush to flush and selling it immediately on the website. I couldn't believe I couldn't smell the odor. Alright, ready? Try to imagine this. I asked my roommate who constantly made jokes about my offensive odor to check out the weird smell in the bathroom. He came, sniffed and said and this is a quote. I don't smell anything. It was a joyous day in my life. I looked at him and I said well that's what I thought because I didn't smell anything boy this is unnecessary words. And I just unloaded a big dump this is the moment I knew this was the cause because nothing else in my life had changed. I will use this product as long as it gives those results I'm sorry, curse your kid
All right, listen. I want to say a couple of things. My poop does not smell bad. But I'm gonna try this because this episode is called. I think this is it Sup is called ERISA tells me how to live. You want me to go to their website? I'm going to do it right now. Hold on a second. And I'm actually going to go out and buy all the GMO stuff today that you told me to, then I'm going to start eating that way. So Purium products, by the way, nobody go buy this until we find out if it's good, and then make them buy ads before we do it. So what is, uh, hold on a second? biome? Medic. I got it. It's the same damn price. Hey, put like a loyal customer price, but I am not a loyal
Speaker 1 55:32
customer. You can if you make an account, it's like cheaper. I have to
Scott Benner 55:36
be honest with you. I'm just gonna buy it from Amazon this one time because I'm going to pay the same from them and it's going to come faster from Amazon. Okay, all right. So the first time the smaller No, I'm getting the 60 because the girl says I gotta take three the first
Speaker 1 55:50
day. Maybe just like take two because I started with one. All
Scott Benner 55:54
right. Yeah, I'm not gonna I'll follow that. Alright, hold on by now. Let's make sure it gets shipped to my house so somebody else doesn't like my kid doesn't like open their mail go to hell is this I have to be honest. I'm gonna use my podcast credit card because I feel like this is business playing that to my my a textile you like I was talking to girl on the podcast. I said I was gonna buy this. I feel like it's marketing. But why? Free one day delivery tomorrow? Oh, free delivery tomorrow. I already ordered something else. I bought underwear. So it's gonna ship with my underwear. That's good. I'll put them together. I don't want to waste the box. You know, they mean. You know, it took me a while to find the underwear I wanted to buy. I got three different kinds. So here's what happened. I was wearing this kind of underwear that I liked, and they stopped making it. So then I tried three different brands before I found the kind that I wanted to go with again. But now I'm sold on it. And so I bought eight pairs. It's pretty fancy. Do you have more than eight pairs of underwear? Yeah, yeah, you're a girl. You probably have like 1000 pairs of underwear. Right? Because they're colors and they're cute or whatever the hell I just need. Like, they're all mine are all black. They look exactly the same. I don't care what they look like. All right, I got my marching orders. Cocoa, June, organic eggs, grass fed butter, almond wrap, biome medic. And what am I going to find out after I take these $60 worth of pills? What what's gonna happen to me? You're gonna be like better? How am I going to know? I'm so good now. Oh, my good to know. Like, now I'm better. You'll
Speaker 1 57:32
just like you'll you'll start feeling it. Like how? Tell me how do you like? Do you walk? Like, take a walk outside or like, if I can help it.
Scott Benner 57:47
Like, I make this podcast for you people.
Speaker 1 57:50
You're gonna be more energetic in the podcast.
Scott Benner 57:53
I mean, is that possible? I'm pretty zippy already. And I mean, that might be like a bath. Yeah, right. People would be like, Yo, this girl came on the podcast and ruined the podcast, which gives got all this energy, and now he's irritating. I'm irritating now, but now more irritating. I'm gonna say, alright, I'm doing it. I'm doing what you say. Because you look healthier than I do.
Unknown Speaker 58:13
I think I think it'll benefit you. All right.
Scott Benner 58:16
I'm gonna try. You didn't know you've not mentioned that. I've lost a lot of weight since the last time you saw me. Have you noticed? Not really unbelievable. Are you serious?
Unknown Speaker 58:27
It's been like nine months? I don't remember. Like,
Scott Benner 58:30
I'm 35 pounds lighter than when you saw me last time. You didn't notice at all? No, what the hell am I losing weight for if nobody can tell? It was for my health. I did see a friend yesterday for lunch. Now I'm thinking what I ate was probably killing me. But I saw a friend yesterday for lunch who I hadn't seen in a long time. And when he saw me, he goes, Oh my God, you look like your little brother. Which he was just saying I looked smaller than the last time I saw him because he doesn't actually know my little brother. And I'm adopted. You have a brother? Yeah, but I don't look anything like him. Because I'm adopted. You don't I mean? Yeah. So. All right. Do we have fun? I did. Does it matter if I think it only matters if I have fun? Honestly, here, there's a good podcasting tip for you. I make a podcast that I'd want to listen to. That's all I do. I don't think about here's the secret for anybody listening. I don't think about what you want at all. So I don't put any effort into doing something that I think oh, people will like this. Like I do what I think I would like or what I think would help people. So like, you know, like even like the pro tip stuff. Have you listened that stuff? No. Unbelievable. How do you find this podcast? Your mom listen to it.
Arisha 59:47
Sometimes like my mom's like really busy because of work. That's
Scott Benner 59:50
why she's making soup. Takes a lot of time. Alright, so I'm just gonna make this change here. And then I have a big bag of frozen shrimp. You can make that on a saute that all up. And I'll eat that for dinner this week. And I'll pair it every day. Don't eat it. Not every day like often. And I have my eye on me to say, Can I say something very Caucasian to your My wife has a hydroponic garden where she grows lettuce. So nothing's ever been sprayed on it. Unless, unless Unless my dog walks by and farts on it. And so other than that, like nothing's ever been sprayed on it. And so I'll use that to make my to make salads with I'll mix that with greens with the shrimp. I tried having chicken wings this week. I know you don't eat meat, but I like I over salted it. I started like retaining water. Like suddenly I can't do that. It's very embarrassing. So I won't I won't do that. And Alright, that's it. Am I gonna not? And I'm gonna have to make my own sorbet. Should I not eat sugar?
Speaker 1 1:00:56
Do you eat sugar? White sugar, not white sugar.
Scott Benner 1:00:59
So usually I take like mangoes, you're really making me upset. So usually I take mangoes and I make my own sorbet with it, but you gotta use a little bit of sugar. Or
Speaker 1 1:01:08
you have to like, then use a date put a date and
Scott Benner 1:01:12
a date. That thing that almost killed Indiana Jones. Weathers. Do you know that reference? No, no, there's no way you know that reference. Indiana Jones is a movie with an actor named Harrison Ford. Do you know any of that? I know the movie Park. Okay. In the movie, they tried to poison Indiana Jones by poisoning his dates. But what happens? The monkey eats the dates first. And that's how Indiana knows not to eat them. What do you think of that? You'll never see that movie. So the best movies I've ever seen in my life. You'll never see it. What is your favorite movie? Titanic, though. Wait, the one word Caitlin's like kills that boy in the water?
Speaker 1 1:01:51
No, like they didn't fit on the like little bed
Scott Benner 1:01:55
the fit fine. I don't want to disagree thing. It was a giant headboard. And she's like, I'm fine. You stay there. You didn't say how many times? Have you seen it? Like four times? Well, it's never occurred to you that it looked like there was enough room for his skinny to climb up there.
Arisha 1:02:13
No, I watched the like thing. Like the MythBusters video thing. And then they talked to the guy who made the movie and he said that, like it was for the writing purpose that he had to die. Yeah,
Scott Benner 1:02:24
I knew we had to kill him. But we need to have a good reason. I don't fit on the thing she's voted on was not a good reason. And he's like, hung there is I guess okay. He froze like a like your bananas before you make ice cream. You freeze the bananas before you make the ice cream. Right? Yeah. And so. I don't know. Arden told me recently. She doesn't think Leo's attractive. Do you think he's cute or no? In that movie? He was young man. Not really. Yeah, right. Then interesting. What's your favorite actor?
Speaker 1 1:02:52
I don't really like I don't know. I like watch TV shows like
Scott Benner 1:02:56
what? Okay, what are you watching?
Speaker 1 1:02:57
Right now? I'm watching House. Oh, I love house. Really? Yeah, everyone's watching Grey's Anatomy. I just can't find it
Scott Benner 1:03:06
anywhere. So I just watched half Grey's Anatomy got dropped from Netflix. It's
Speaker 1 1:03:10
not on Netflix. No kidding. Is it on? Cuz I didn't find it.
Scott Benner 1:03:14
Let me test how long have you been watching House? Okay, how long have you been watching so I'm gonna test you.
Arisha 1:03:19
Like I'm on season. I just started Season Two. Okay, maybe
Scott Benner 1:03:23
I don't know if this is too early or not. But what's the thing? They always guess that it never is? Pneumonia. sarcoidosis. sarcoidosis is the answer. Okay. Seriously, and you know, one day I interviewed somebody and they're like, I had sarcoidosis. And I was like, oh my god, like on the house. And they were they knew the reference. It was crazy. As you're watching it, you will think of me every time somebody goes. It could be sarcoidosis. And then it never is. Never do you like the way he's mean to everybody.
Arisha 1:03:57
I don't know. He's he's kind of stupid in my opinion. Yeah. He's always like, he thinks he's better than everyone else. I mean, he kind of is but like, he really isn't at the same time. Like, yeah,
Scott Benner 1:04:08
I see your whole generations nice. I used to love him. I mean, he was everybody. Meet comfortable. They're gonna roll through a couple of like, other intern doctors as the years go on. Yeah. And then what's your name is on there. The woman who broke Ted lassos heart. What's her name? You know, the guy who's dead last so?
Unknown Speaker 1:04:27
No,
Scott Benner 1:04:29
do you didn't watch that last though?
Unknown Speaker 1:04:31
Like the actor? Yeah.
Scott Benner 1:04:33
What's his name? Jason Sudeikis. No, I don't know who that is. All right. Well, Jason is a Degas married a woman who I think then left him. Anyway, she's on her house. And when I think of her I only think of her as the lady that made Jason to Vegas. Sad, but I don't know. Like maybe it was him who made her sad. Or maybe it was just mutual. I have no idea. I don't look into it. I just liked petal So I wanted him to be happy. That's so stupid. I don't know anything about those people. Alright, so you've been watching House. It's not a bad poll, I would watch house. What did I just finish watching? Oh, Mayor of Kingstown, which I don't think you should watch. That's kind of aggressive.
Unknown Speaker 1:05:20
I watch a manifest that looks good. Well, was
Scott Benner 1:05:22
it manifest manifest? Oh, the one about the plane crash.
Arisha 1:05:27
The one that the plane like disappear for five and a half years?
Scott Benner 1:05:30
And did you ever watch the last? No. Interesting. That was one where a plane crashed on an island. And the island may or may not have had a magic mist monster on it. And a polar bear that never came back. And then there was a button and you had to push the button or something was gonna blow up. Oh, spoiler alert. And then nobody pushed a button and nothing bad happened. That's one of those shows. It's really good. Right up until the end. At the end. You're like, Wait, what the hell? Why have I been watching this? Like, that's your answer. Stop it. Not great at the end. Okay, what else should we talk about? And then we're gonna let you go because you had to go to school? Oh, I don't know. You don't know. Well, do you want to practice interview me? For a couple of minutes, then we'll see if I'm gonna come on your podcast.
Unknown Speaker 1:06:18
I don't know what to say, well,
Scott Benner 1:06:19
how the hell you're gonna make a podcast? You need to be able to talk if you're gonna make a podcast.
Speaker 1 1:06:22
I'll make like a script. No, I always make a skirt. Do you? Yeah. Do
Scott Benner 1:06:27
you read from it? Hmm, can I tell you secret? I've never once prepared to make this podcast.
Arisha 1:06:35
I write like, the introduction. And then like, all these points, then points, like under the points, because then I just forget what to talk about. And then I just go off topic. This is why you don't have any time for anything. Yeah. And then I just like start like, yeah, and then I start talking about like homework in school. Like, it's it's a good thing. I was really off topic.
Scott Benner 1:06:54
Yeah. And he just stay on topic, though. Yeah. All right. I mean, isn't that funny that I just said that, but I didn't do that at all. Alright, just you do whatever you want to do when you're making your podcast. So I I've prepared for the podcast in the past. But, you know, like when I'm making like, well, that's not sure I didn't prepare for that. Say the protests, I made a list of things I wanted to talk about. And then I would make them with Jenny and Jenny would come on. And I'd be like, Jane, let's talk about setting Temp Basal today. And she's like, Alright, and then we would just make an episode. That was my preparation for that. The the Omnipod five Pro Tip series, I actually did prepare significantly for, but that was because I made it along with the company. And they were you know, they were professional. And so I'm actually going to do more stuff with them. About Omnipod five pretty soon, but that's neither here nor there. But most of the time, I just sit down. I get everything set up. I also come whipping in this room, like five minutes before I'm supposed to record I don't even like I just come in, I sit down, I make sure I have a drink. And I'm like, Alright, good. Here we go. Actually, I rub a little bit of Vaseline on my lips. So my lips don't make noise. And then I do it. My pull up my calendar. While I'm logging on. I click on someone's name like tomorrow, I have an interview at noon with a guy named Michael. Tomorrow, I'll sit down until 1155. I'll rush around to get the file set up. I'll open this up, I'll scroll down where it says What's your relationship to diabetes? He's he has type one. And then what do you want to talk about ADHD, anxiety, depression, potential autism, they potential diagnosis of autism specifically in relation to diabetes and my care of it diabetes camp. And then I go, adult type one anxiety, depression, maybe autism, diabetes camp, and then I think I don't want to talk about diabetes camp. And then I close my calendar, and then I say out of the guy. That's it. That is how I prepped for the podcast. Yeah. Now you know, now you all know how to make a great podcast, or at least a pretty good. Okay, so now we get to interview me. I like it. Let's I'll help you set it up together. Ready? What what's the topic you'd be interested in asking me about? Really have one thing in common? Well, obviously like diabetes, but like podcasting, you want to ask a question about making a podcast, right? Oh, yeah. Right. And then why don't you start with that?
Speaker 1 1:09:28
So like, just be like, I don't know. I just felt like hard.
Scott Benner 1:09:32
This was gonna happen if I come on your podcast?
Speaker 1 1:09:34
No, have it already. Like, I need to, like at least write like a couple sentences.
Scott Benner 1:09:38
How long will it take you to make this? This these questions? The questions? Like half an hour, okay. Now, most people who come on your podcast are gonna say to you, what are you going to ask me? Here's what happens to me. They go, what are you gonna ask me when I come on? And I go, I have no idea. And they're like, I'm not comfortable with that. And I say, then this is probably not the right podcast for you. So, and then they go okay. And then, but if I was you, I do whatever your process is, right. But if I asked you for the questions in advance, say no, don't let me know the question. Why? Why am I saying that? Because then they're like, more prepared than you want me to be spontaneous? Yeah, you want me to you want me to say the first thing that comes to mind? Not something that I've prepared to make myself sound better. Right? Or you don't want me to say something canned? That I say all the time. So when you get a person in my position, I get asked the same question a lot. And so there is an answer I have, if I need to whip it out real quickly. But you don't want that you want me to just be surprised by what you say? And then just kind of disappear into my mind? And then tell you what it is that I think of your question, like, so don't don't let me know the questions ahead of time. Make sure your headphones are working again. Okay, and your microphone. And then you're gonna have to make some time to edit. And you don't have to go crazy editing, just, you know, if I like, bumped into the microphone like this, edit that out. That kind of stuff. I think I'm gonna have to say to rob, leave that in for a fact. And so I hired an editor recently, is a wonderful gentleman, his child has diabetes, and does a terrific job. But I ended the show for nine years on my own. And then one day, I was just like, I can't I think I'm gonna die. I can't do this anymore. So, so I was able, luckily, to hire an editor, which was nice. You're gonna need to make some money before you do that. All right. You got any sponsors?
Arisha 1:11:41
Not like at the moment? Yeah, only have like two episodes, two
Scott Benner 1:11:45
episodes, you're gonna need more episodes, you're gonna need more downloads. Downloads are how you get the sponsors. Okay.
Unknown Speaker 1:11:52
How many downloads? Do you have?
Scott Benner 1:11:53
Oh, see, right now can
Unknown Speaker 1:11:55
I guess? Can I get? Like? Yeah, what
Scott Benner 1:11:58
do you want? 1000 80,000? Do you think I have 80,000? Downloads? Let me pull up my downloads. I don't want
Unknown Speaker 1:12:04
like per episode, though.
Scott Benner 1:12:05
Not like, oh, per episode. See, the episodes are different. So I'm probably not going to tell you how many downloads my episodes get. Because now there's a reason I'm not but I will tell you some numbers. Okay, so the podcast has been online since 2015. It's nine years old. It has 14 and a half million total downloads. That's a lot. This year in 2023. I'm going to get about 6 million. I think I'm going to reach 6 million this year, just for this year. Last year, I had 4.5 million, so 10 and a half million in the last 24 months. And the other three and a half million it took me seven years to get the first year of the podcast like the entire first year 2015. I had, I don't know the exact number off the top my head, but it was like 26,000 downloads for the whole year. That's a lot. It sounds like a lot, doesn't it? I was very angry when I only had 26,000 downloads at the end of the first year. So and that I was disappointed, disappointed now, I guess back then I was happy. I was like it's working. And people I could see it grow every month. Right. But I was getting like 1300 a month or something like that. Yeah. And so about 25,000 for that year. Now, most days, I get 25,000. And so the weekends aren't as much. And there are some days that are less than others. It's interesting what people skip over. For instance, the after dark stuff, people are very people either love it or don't listen to it. The people who love the after darks love them. And then there are plenty of people like I don't want to hear people like carcere talked about their sex lives or stuff like that. So they stay away from those. If I do stuff for type two, it gets fewer downloads. If I hate to say this, if I do interviews with people who have accents, they don't do as well, that happens. And there's
Arisha 1:14:09
no like funding. I feel like it'd be so much fun doing with with someone who looks like an Australian or British. Oh,
Scott Benner 1:14:14
no, I think it's fantastic. I think some people's ears don't hear it right away and they give up. So they don't want to listen to people with accents. I find if you just listen for a few minutes, you get it like I interviewed a guy earlier this year, who's like British accent was very thick. And there were moments where I was just staring at the table just trying to follow what he was saying because he was talking quickly and I couldn't understand him and then like 10 minutes into it, I could just hear him. It felt like it felt like you know in a movie, where they want you to know that the actors are speaking another language. So for the first couple of minutes, they speak in their native language with subtitles, then all of a sudden the subtitles go away and you hear them in English. Yeah, that's what it felt like when I interviewed him when I do things that are good for people. They don't get downloaded as much. So that's interesting too, when you when you put up content that would be very helpful for someone, not everybody listens. The management stuff is very popular. But mostly people just like to hear interviews with people. People loved your your last interview. Actual Yeah, I got a lot of good feedback about yours actually, the most popular episodes of the podcast are the ones with my daughter, because she barely ever comes on and she's a sarcastic person. So I think people like that. I did a myth episode series this year, that was pretty popular. I remastered the pro tips this year that was popular. And then people just I think, just in general, like the conversations, I But lately, I've been doing a small episode like series with people who have used glucagon to tell their story about why they needed glucagon and what happened when they use it? That's been good. I've gotten a lot of good feedback about that. That's about it, though. So here's the Here are the numbers you need right? To sell an ad, your episode has to get at least 5000 downloads in the first 30 days. Okay. But you, you can only charge something they call a CPM. Podcast CPM. So I'll explain that to you. It's a certain amount of money per 1000. And what is the current CPM right now? I'm going to be honest with you, I charge more money than this. So but this is what most people get for podcasts, a 62nd add on an episode that gets between 1010 1000 downloads on that episode. About $23 per 1000. Oh, no, that's $23. For that for for 1000. To 10,000. Yeah, per 1000. So you could probably make a couple 100 bucks for 10,000 downloads. On most podcasts, I, I charge more than that, that my pocket is is very niche. So it's hard to find people like when you're trying to market to people, you know, it's hard to find people who have diabetes, right? Yeah. So like, let's make a big example. Like, let's say, you know, who Joe Rogan is? No, okay. He's got like, the biggest podcast in the world. Like the biggest one, I don't know what it costs to buy an ad on his podcast, it's probably, I'm guessing $50,000 for a 62nd ad. Like, I'm guessing I have no idea, right? It could be more than that even. But you'll reach millions and millions of people, but you're not going to reach with me. But only 10% of those people are going to have type one diabetes. Right? So if it cost you 50 grand to reach a million people, and only 10% of those people have type one. How many of you reached Not that many, not that many, and you've paid a lot of money for it. I don't charge that much money, obviously. And but everyone you reach with me has type one or love somebody with type one. So it's a good place for people to advertise who have that now I did just meet a new company that I'm very interested in working with. They're making a zero glycemic soda. So like no glycemic impact soda, and they want to advertise on the show. I've just asked them to send me samples. And I'm going to try them and see what I think. And if I like them, then we might start working together. So it took a while to get to that point. You could just do it for fun, too. Yeah. Might be might be better that way. Also, having a successful podcast is incredibly unlikely. So only 86% of all active podcasts, get 130 downloads per episode, or fewer, under 30, or 35. That's 86% of active podcasts only get 136 in episode. So, you know in perspective, I put up an episode this morning, it'll do 3000 downloads in the first 24 hours. And then it will go from 3000 to 5000. Pretty quickly. It will reach probably seven to 9000 in the first 45 days. And then from there, it will never stop growing. And two years from now that episode will have probably 25 or 30,000 downloads on it. And yeah, and that's for every one that I put up. Some of them have much more I have episodes that have 60,000 downloads for one episode. And it's funny because I think people count I think think people think about like YouTube or or tick tock or they're like that's not a lot like I saw a tick tock video with like 800,000 It's not the same thing because you're not interacting with people the same way a tick tock is just you swiping by somebody. It's not you really building any kind of a relationship or even spending time really absorbing information, like do you know I mean, like you have tick tock, you don't do know, you don't look like a kid who is tick tock. So do you have Instagram? Oh, okay. So think back to days. What did you see on Instagram two days ago?
Unknown Speaker 1:20:24
Like my friends hope, okay.
Scott Benner 1:20:25
Okay. That's the extent of what you remember. Right? Yeah. So it's not a great marketing tool. And marketers are figuring that out as time goes forward, that PR companies in the very beginning we're very excited about like, oh, there's an Instagram influencer. And their picture gets like, so many likes and stuff like that. But it really, it's meaningless. So I don't even really focus on my social media very much because I want people to listen to the podcast. I don't care if they like a picture or something like that. That makes sense. Yeah. All right. I say you make your list. No pressure. When you're ready to interview me, let me know and you can interview me for your podcast. Okay. All right. Yeah. All right, Jeff. A good time. Yeah. All right. Go to school and learn something, don't you? Alright, so the next time you come back, I'm gonna have answers about all of this. So don't don't try to interview me for at least 30 days because I'm going to take the pills. Okay. All right. What if my poop starts to smell? That'd be terrible. How does your poop smell?
Unknown Speaker 1:21:27
I don't know. Like nothing.
Scott Benner 1:21:30
Are you sure? Yeah. All right. You fart a lot or No? Not really. Because you eat nice. You never had diarrhea like the lady in the review? No,
Unknown Speaker 1:21:41
only like no, I don't think so.
Scott Benner 1:21:45
Definitely don't tell people if you've had diarrhea, okay. Just it's not a good luck. All right, say goodbye. Bye.
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#1174 Cold Wind: Consultation Liaison Psychiatrist
Today's anonymous 43 year old female guest has type 1 diabetes, thyroid issues, gastroparesis and more.
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Scott Benner 0:00
Hello friends, welcome to episode 1174 of the Juicebox Podcast.
Today's guest is going to be completely anonymous, their voice has been changed. My guest is a consultation liaison psychiatrist and a person who's had type one diabetes since they were eight years old. She also has a thyroid issue OCD, and an eating disorder. Please don't forget that nothing you hear on the Juicebox Podcast should be considered advice, medical or otherwise, always consult a physician before making any changes to your health care plan or becoming bold with insulin. When you place your first order for ag one with my link, you'll get five free travel packs and a free year supply of vitamin D. Drink ag one.com/juicebox if you have type one diabetes, or are the caregiver of someone with type one and a US resident please go to T one D exchange.org/juicebox. You will be helping with type one diabetes research by completing their survey AT T one D exchange.org/juice. Box takes like 10 minutes don't forget to save 40% off of your entire order at cozy earth.com All you have to do is use the offer code juice box at checkout that's juice box at checkout to save 40% at cozy earth.com This show is sponsored today by the glucagon that my daughter carries. G voc hypo Penn Find out more at G voc glucagon.com. Forward slash juicebox us med is sponsoring this episode of The Juicebox Podcast and we've been getting our diabetes supplies from us med for yours, you can as well us med.com/juice box or call 888-721-1514 Use the link or the number get your free benefits check it get started today with us med Today's episode is sponsored by Medtronic diabetes, a company that's bringing together people who are redefining what it means to live with diabetes. Later in this episode, I'll be speaking with Mark, he was diagnosed with type one diabetes at 28. He's 47. Now he's going to tell you a little bit about his story. And then at the very end of the episode, you can hear my entire mini interview with Mark to hear more stories from the Medtronic champion community or to share your own story. Visit Medtronic diabetes.com/juice box and check out the Medtronic champion hashtag on social media.
Anonymous Female Speaker 2:41
I'm a consultation liaison psychiatrist, and I've had diabetes since I was eight. So I am approaching my 35th year.
Scott Benner 2:50
Wow. Eight years old. You're 43 Now I will be in gym. Yeah. I just wanted to impress you with my fast math. Yeah, that was
Anonymous Female Speaker 2:59
that was good. But I was I was recently told that if you say I'm going to be 43 in June, that like makes you young seems younger. Right? And I'm like, Well, I if I say I'm 42 or whatever. But so yes, I will be 43 in June and August 1 will be my 35 year diabetic Versary. Wow.
Scott Benner 3:20
And tell me what it is you do for a living? What's your profession?
Anonymous Female Speaker 3:25
So I'm a psychiatrist. I do. It's called consultation liaison psychiatry. So I do consults for patients who are hospitalized, like medically and surgically. And so they're either like delirious depressed, anxious, like Kotick. They're inpatient, but they're not admitted to the psychiatric unit.
Scott Benner 3:48
Could they be if they weren't there for something medical, they,
Anonymous Female Speaker 3:52
they will often get transferred to the medical psychiatric unit once they're medically cleared. But the patients that I see are two medically ill for a psychiatric unit. Okay,
Scott Benner 4:05
I definitely have questions. Okay, I
Anonymous Female Speaker 4:08
have answer is gonna be good. Good. Let's
Scott Benner 4:09
start. Well, first, I want to start with you just to get a baseline on you. So what was your management style throughout your life? And what are you doing now to manager type one.
Anonymous Female Speaker 4:19
In preparation for this, I've been trying to go back but 35 years is a long time long time. I'll start currently, I'm on the Dexcom and Omni pod. And then prior to this, so I was on Medtronic. So I've been on two different pumps. I've been on the Medtronic and I've been on the Omni pod and I've been on Omni pod for for quite some time. Yeah. And I briefly like when I was in college know when I was in residency I tried the Medtronic sensor And that that old sensor you didn't enjoy that? No. Oh, my God drove me nuts. Yeah, I briefly did that looping thing. Okay. And that those were the worst three months of diabetes ever. I like I'm so happy for the people it works for but it did not work for me or your
Scott Benner 5:19
settings, like, good. You know, all these algorithms, if you don't start them with great settings and an understanding of how the algorithm works, you're doomed to failure pretty much.
Anonymous Female Speaker 5:29
I mean, that could be possibly it. Somebody had mentioned that, like, because I rise very quickly, and I drop very quickly. And that perhaps it wasn't like adjusting quite quickly enough for me.
Scott Benner 5:46
Do you Pre-Bolus your meals? No, that's why you rise very quickly. But I also have gastric precess Oh, there's another reason. Okay.
Anonymous Female Speaker 5:55
And so sometimes I drop really quickly. And like, I work out a lot and exercise drops me very fast. And now with the closed loop, though, and having like the activity mode, so much better. But in the past, I would have to, like it was I can't believe I did this, but I do this for years, I would start like a ride or working out. I had to be at least 400 to ride your bike. Yeah, and then like, and then I'd come back and I'd ride until my blood sugar was low. So,
Scott Benner 6:32
gastroparesis diagnosed. Yes, yeah. When did that happen?
Anonymous Female Speaker 6:38
Six years ago, okay. Yeah. And so like, sometimes it affects my absorption of food, and sometimes it doesn't. So some days I'll see myself, like, after I eat and other days, it's like, flat. And so it's really not predictable. But so I don't I am not bold with insulin, I have to be okay. And, and I don't eat, like 20 grand if I have like 20 grams of carbs. Like, I don't know how important it is to Pre-Bolus for that.
Scott Benner 7:14
Gotcha. Are you not aggressive with your insulin because of the gastro precice or have you never been?
Anonymous Female Speaker 7:22
I've never been like my A onesies have never been fantastic. When I was a child, I was diagnosed, like they were stellar. But my mom was always talking about how it was when you average very high blood sugars with very low blood sugars, you get you average off pretty well. In adulthood. I have managed basically like seven to eight. And when I get below seven, it tends like I tend to have a lot of lows.
Scott Benner 7:54
Do you think your settings are accurate? I mean, prior to this, you're using Omnipod five now is that right? Yeah. Okay. And that's and that sounds like it's working really well for you but prior to that, do you think you had good settings do you think you were just chasing blood sugars all the time and nothing was exactly where it needed to be. If you take insulin or sulfonylureas you are at risk for your blood sugar going too low. You need a safety net when it matters most. Be ready with G voc hypo pen. My daughter carries G voc hypo pen everywhere she goes because it's a ready to use rescue pen for treating very low blood sugar and people with diabetes ages two and above that I trust. Low blood sugar emergencies can happen unexpectedly and they demand quick action. Luckily jeuveau Capo pen can be administered in two simple steps even by yourself in certain situations. Show those around you where you storage evoke hypo pen and how to use it. They need to know how to use G vo Capo pen before an emergency situation happens. Learn more about why G vo Capo pen is in Ardens diabetes toolkit at G voc glucagon.com/juicebox. G voc shouldn't be used if you have a tumor in the gland on the top of your kidneys caught a pheochromocytoma. Or if you have a tumor in your pancreas called an insulinoma visit G voc glucagon.com/risk For safety information.
Anonymous Female Speaker 9:25
I would say a little bit of chasing it because the thing is I go to my endocrinologist with like an eumc of 7.8. And then they would make one small adjustment and it's like well, I don't I don't think that's it. And then they'd always comment to the I don't really have patterns and as soon as you think I do have a pattern it changes. So I am not very like reactive. I've never been very reactive if for some reason like I'm consistently high at a certain point during the day, I really never adjusted my insulin without talking to the doctor because give it a couple of days and I'll be low at that time.
Scott Benner 10:12
When you were diagnosed the date did you wear your pants? So that was 89 I think.
Anonymous Female Speaker 10:19
Great math.
Scott Benner 10:20
Oh, please. I'm really showing off my simple addition and subtraction. So, so at that point 89 You were using did they put you on Lantis and humor log was
Anonymous Female Speaker 10:34
on like mph and regular okay. I was lengthy and ultra lengthy. And remember, like NPH was cool, because at that time, Doogie Howser was on. And Neil Patrick Harris, I had like a huge crush on him. And he was NPH. So I felt connected to him somehow through my insulin, the
Scott Benner 10:54
crush ends up being ironic because he's gay. That's interesting. And totally Yeah. Not that you can because I had a crush on you think you turned Neil Patrick Harris gay with your crush when you were eight years old? Exactly. Look into it. See if that's possible. So my point being like, was this a kind of like a set it and forget it disease at that point, like shoot insulin twice a day eat at certain times? That's about it?
Anonymous Female Speaker 11:18
No, when I was really young, we would call my pediatrician for every dose of insulin, okay. Like we'd call him with my blood sugar morning, like all throughout the day. And my dad was was graphing these things on like, programs in 1989. We would be taught like, Okay, this is what you give at breakfast, like I was eating very regimented. So it wasn't like, there wasn't any variety. And it was like you're having this much in terms of carbs in the morning. And so it was all about covering for like blood sugar. But I remember we would call Dr. Peter at seven o'clock every morning. And I don't know, I don't know what he would use to tell us what to give. But at that time, I was giving I guess I was getting three shots a day.
Scott Benner 12:10
Okay. Were you testing? Did you have meters? Oh,
Anonymous Female Speaker 12:15
I was testing six to eight times a day. Okay. I had actually been told just to test less.
Scott Benner 12:23
And so and your agencies were coming in? Were at that point. Do you know,
Anonymous Female Speaker 12:27
I think they were probably in the in like the sixes.
Scott Benner 12:31
But you think that these are accomplished with, like, offsetting the average, right, like a bunch of lows and a bunch of highs. So not healthy. But yeah, the the agency would average out like that,
Anonymous Female Speaker 12:41
like my highest weren't as high as they've been in adulthood. But I still had lows. Okay. Like, I guess, some reason and adulthood, I've managed to get to over 400. Not terribly infrequently. But that like if I got into three hundreds as a kid that was like, Oh, my goodness, what's happening?
Scott Benner 13:06
Your father was helping you or you were on your own?
Anonymous Female Speaker 13:08
Mostly? Oh, my parents were very involved. Okay.
Scott Benner 13:11
So what would you in hindsight, did they understand what they were doing? Or were they just involved? My
Anonymous Female Speaker 13:17
dad, very much didn't, they were quite involved. And I don't want to say helicopter parents. But, you know, I couldn't go to sleepovers. Because, you know, my parent, I had to be with my parents, because I didn't give myself shots for the first couple of years. Yeah. We always had to know like, what food was going to be served at parties. And I found, I found a letter that my dad had actually mailed to my doctor. And he said, you know, just the other day, a parent's worst nightmare came true. And I was like, like, Did I die? Like what happened? And he's like, there was an unplanned pizza party. And I was like, wow, that was your worst nightmare. That was his worst nightmare, an unplanned pizza party. My mom always hated being she would say, like, if I asked if I could eat this or eat that she said she hated being the food police. They were very involved. And it really wasn't until college that I became independent. Did you know
Scott Benner 14:21
what you were doing? Like? Could you meaningfully have outcomes that you were looking for without the spikes and the crashes?
Anonymous Female Speaker 14:28
is probably still don't know that what do you see your
Scott Benner 14:32
language is very interesting to me. And might I say indicative of people who have had diabetes for decades and decades and decades. Like it's super interesting to hear people say like, my parents were really involved, but then the conversation indicates they didn't really know what they were doing very much. Well, I
Anonymous Female Speaker 14:46
think at the time, like they're like without the technology and when the fast acting insulin and, you know, the glucose sensors. It's like, they didn't have nearly the information that we do now. Of
Scott Benner 15:00
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David 17:20
use injections for about six months. And then my endocrinologist and nav recommended a pump.
Scott Benner 17:25
How long had you been in the Navy? Eight years up to that point? I've interviewed a number of people who have been diagnosed during service and most of the time they're discharged. What happened to you?
David 17:35
I was medically discharged. Yeah, six months after my diagnosis. Was it
Scott Benner 17:39
your goal to stay in the Navy for your whole life? Your career? It was Yeah, yeah.
David 17:43
In fact, I think a few months before my diagnosis, my wife and I had that discussion about, you know, staying in for the long term. And, you know, we made the decision despite all the hardships and time away from home, that was what we
Scott Benner 17:56
loved the most. Was the Navy, like a lifetime goal of yours? lifetime
David 18:00
goal. I mean, as my earliest childhood memories, were flying, being a fighter pilot,
Scott Benner 18:05
how did your diagnosis impact your lifelong dream?
David 18:08
It was devastating. Everything I had done in life, everything I'd worked up to up to that point was just taken away in an instant, I was not prepared for that at all. What does your support system look like? friends, your family caregivers, you know, for me, the Medtronic champions community, you know, all those resources that are out there to help guide away but then to help keep abreast on you know, the new things that are coming down the pike, and to give you hope for eventually, that we can find a cure.
Scott Benner 18:34
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Anonymous Female Speaker 18:46
Yeah, um, so when I was thinking about this, like podcast, I'm like, I, when I came to be a diabetic, the world was very different than you, like, couldn't eat certain foods, and you could only eat at certain times. And it was so different. So it's hard for me to know, although my brother was diagnosed about 15 years ago, so he and I have very different diabetes, which is interesting. But yeah, my parents were involved in that, like, they Oh, they knew what my blood sugar were all day because I I still have some of the logbooks that I wrote, My blood sugar's down then for the first like 10 years, and they, you know, I never missed insulin
Scott Benner 19:33
on top of it, you were really on top of it and doing the things that you were supposed to be doing. Right? Yeah.
Anonymous Female Speaker 19:40
I didn't know the outcomes weren't always great, right.
Scott Benner 19:42
Do you think your brother has a different kind of diabetes? Or do you think he was just diagnosed in a time where expectations and and tools were different?
Anonymous Female Speaker 19:49
I actually think he has a different kind because he has only recently started like, almost against his will on the pomp and sensor until about like three or four months ago, he was just doing injections and testing his blood sugar. And his a one C was five to the point where the doctor was like, We need to get your your agency apple.
Scott Benner 20:15
You don't have to get a five a one C up if it's if you're getting to it, honestly, do you think he's getting to an honestly? Or do you think he's having a lot of lows too? Well, he
Anonymous Female Speaker 20:23
wasn't having a lot of lows, but he was having enough lows that he's feeling like he's not thinking near as clearly as he was. So they wanted him to come up a little bit, because he had a few pretty bad lows. But like, whenever we were together, it was like, if I saw his blood sugar above, like 100, I was shocked. I gotcha. And then he was also you know, he would eat whatever he wanted. And I was like, that's not the diabetes I have.
Scott Benner 20:53
I see. I see what you're saying. Okay, so moving into your profession. I want to know about how people would type one are treated in psychiatric situations. So first of all, what are some of the situations I could find myself in, I end up in a hospital for, like you said, like a medical reason, but I'm a psychiatric patient, on top of that, there can be being admitted against your will there could be being admitted, like, right, voluntarily. But every time I hear about this, it's always, you know, if it's a voluntary admission into like a private place, they'll they don't take type ones usually. And I'm just wondering, I'm wondering about all your different experiences, actually. So I mean, just walk me through what you know about.
Anonymous Female Speaker 21:39
So, I mean, I guess I have experience as a, as a patient and as, as a dog, okay. And so I had been hospitalized for an eating disorder, multiple times. I never, I know, you've talked about, like, by bulimia or withholding insulin. And I never did that. But I met a number of people who did. And so when you're admitted for that, the kind of watch you like a hawk with with and like, often don't let you use your pomp and, and, you know, are like on top of you with when you're giving insulin, I never had that they, they would tell me like I'm testing too many times, I would get a little bit obsessive about that. Because I couldn't control my intake or my weight, I became very focused on having perfect blood sugars, which isn't ordinarily a focus of mine. I mean, not that I go out of my way to have bad blood sugars. But that was what I could focus on. And they would do we try to, like, get me to focus on other things. Hearing people talk about non compliant diabetics. Really, like I have colleagues that do that. Just
Scott Benner 22:57
Oh, yeah. Were you obsessive about other things are just this one specific situation? Yeah.
Anonymous Female Speaker 23:03
So I also have like, OCD diagnose, not like, who I like my desk, neat, but how does it manifest, it's manifest in in various ways over the years. Like, when I was a kid, like I had to, like, make my bed a certain way. And if I, if it got, if I got distracted, or I didn't make it certain that way, I'd have to unmake it and remake it. But it was never to the point where I was late for school or anything like that. It started to involve, like the eating disorder. And so I have to say things in my head a certain way, or I get fat, okay. And it was like, Oh, if I use that, if I say something negative about my mom, that's gonna kill her. You know, it's like, all sorts of things. And that,
Scott Benner 23:47
yeah, that was from a younger age. Yeah.
Anonymous Female Speaker 23:50
I mean, that was I in elementary school, and, like, even now, and I never got really got treatment for that. Until I until my maybe mid to late 20s.
Scott Benner 24:04
Was this before the diabetes or after or both? Well, the way we found
Anonymous Female Speaker 24:08
out that I had diabetes was because at eight I was weighing myself every day, because I was fat. Or I thought, Oh, okay. And because I was a gymnast and a swimmer. And so I was very self conscious about my weight. And I remember when I had lost eight pounds, my mom had said, if you lose one more pound, we're going to the doctor. And I was like, I don't want to go to the doctor, but I do want to lose one more pound. I was like, Well, how's that gonna work? Do
Scott Benner 24:40
you have a thyroid issue by any chance? I do have that as well. How long ago was that diagnosed?
Anonymous Female Speaker 24:46
I believe in college. That was quite some time. How
Scott Benner 24:51
well managed is that like, Where does your TSH sit up? Until
Anonymous Female Speaker 24:55
recently, it was really well managed, but for some reason now No, my like, TSH is a bit low, like, but I was requiring a lot of levothyroxine them. I was taking them like 200 micrograms a day. Right. And my uncle who, like had his thyroid removed, was taking less than taking that much. Right? Yeah, I was like, What? What? And he's like bigger and get up and so now I'm down to 175. And my TSH is still a bit low.
Scott Benner 25:25
Is it under one? Yes. Is it? Is it like negative? Or is it just under one?
Anonymous Female Speaker 25:32
I'm trying to think cuz I just got it back the other day, because it was point o six a few months ago.
Scott Benner 25:38
Do you think you're hyper or no? hyperthyroid? Or do you think you're hypo? And you're just really like managing heavy with the medication?
Anonymous Female Speaker 25:45
Um, doubt Yeah, I'm because my TSH has been as high as 123 G's. Okay. That was during intern here. And my doctor was like, aren't you tired? And I was like, Well, I'm an intern. I thought I was supposed to be tired.
Scott Benner 25:59
It's like not like that. Because I Yeah, because I'm just Austin. I was just wondering, because when you started talking about, you know, the OCD stuff and like, makes me think about anxiety. And then I was like, I wonder if the thyroids managed well, so that's what, that's all.
Anonymous Female Speaker 26:12
No, that's not the point, though. But so currently, it's point one, six. Okay. But yeah, I mean, it's really, really down there. Which, but it's getting better. Yeah. I don't really know why. Because I had been on the consistent, I was actually alternating doses, one to 175 and 200. For years, it was stable, and then now, it's not,
Scott Benner 26:36
and you're just taking T for you know, taking T three as well.
Anonymous Female Speaker 26:40
Yep, just levothyroxine. Okay, cool. My T four is what is normal?
Scott Benner 26:44
Okay. All right. So, so Okay, so But getting back to it like so, like you come in? Was that a voluntary thing when you were being treated for an eating disorder? Yes. Okay.
Anonymous Female Speaker 26:57
And how did you I had had the eating disorder for many years before I admitted to it to that, then I started to get help. How long
Scott Benner 27:07
were you? Were you in treatment? For? Was it a like it was an inpatient? You were at a facility?
Anonymous Female Speaker 27:12
Yeah, so I've been in, like an inpatient or residential treatment nine times. And the longest of those was, was three months. But it's been six years since my last admission, and that's like, wow, so long as they've gone and
Scott Benner 27:33
done, how do they manage diabetes in those situations, like, well, or not really?
Anonymous Female Speaker 27:38
Well see, I think, in those settings, and just in general, and hospitals, like, diabetes is a one size fits all type thing. And it's like, everybody has the same sliding scale. And it's like, from what I could see, it just seemed like, it just didn't seem personalized. But for me, like, I think my treatment was somewhat different, because I never manipulated my insulin, and like, they knew I was a physician. And so I had a lot more like freedom or leeway. With that,
Scott Benner 28:17
even though you found yourself in the same situation, as everybody. Right? Right.
Anonymous Female Speaker 28:21
Because that wasn't like I did presentations, like, around the country about it. I did some research on it, but that they knew I was, like, very vested in my be a good diabetic personality.
Scott Benner 28:39
Hey, this might sound like a left turn for a second. But I mean, it's a thing I've heard a lot. But do people who are searching for answers for themselves often become professionals in mental health?
Anonymous Female Speaker 28:51
I think everybody should be searching for answers. Well, I was actually going to be a pediatrician. And then I was going to be do a pediatric endocrinology. I didn't enjoy them as much. And I found psychiatry fascinating. So I decided I wanted to be a doctor when I was six. And so until my third year in med school, I was going to do pediatrics or pediatric endocrinology. psychiatry was never on the radar. And at that point, I had only recently started getting like mental health help, but I think some people do whether or not that's ideal, but I think everybody should
Scott Benner 29:36
have on some level. So for you, is it is it just the OCD or is it other stuff?
Anonymous Female Speaker 29:43
So I mean, I guess the OCD, the eating disorder. I'm an anxious person in general, regardless of what my TSH I gotcha, because I tend to think of like when my TSH is low, I tend to think He does more like physical. Like, you know, my heart rate is faster, I'm tremulous, I feel jittery, whereas anxiety, OCD things, those are more mental like, like thoughts and per separations, things like that. Gotcha. Is there anything else? Like? Do you have any other like mental health diagnoses?
Scott Benner 30:22
Yeah, beyond that?
Anonymous Female Speaker 30:24
No, I think that's, I think that's enough. That's enough. So
Scott Benner 30:28
well, let me ask this question. First, am I right to say when you try to go into a private facility, oftentimes, they'll say, No, thank you. If you have type one, have you? Have you ever seen that?
Anonymous Female Speaker 30:37
I haven't, I guess, because I haven't really worked in private. But I know for like, eating disorder facilities, some people will say no, but I think in general, for mental health care, I've never seen somebody turned away but again, they're not they're not. Right. They're not private.
Scott Benner 30:57
Well, what do you think people could do? Or should do to prepare themselves for an intake? If they have type one? Yeah.
Anonymous Female Speaker 31:04
So there's a fine line between advocating for yourself and being seen as difficult. And so as diabetics, we we have to know our bodies. And we have to know like, Look, I am very sensitive to exercise, I need to do this, you know, if we're going to do this activity, but when patients start dictating their care, I think that that sometimes causes a negative reaction from staff,
Scott Benner 31:40
can it come off as unstable, even if you're being realistic? Because a lot of people don't know what it takes to manage diabetes? So if you started listing things off, could you seem unstable while you were doing that?
Anonymous Female Speaker 31:52
I mean, that I mean, the setting, it depends on the setting, right? If you're in if you're in, like a psychiatric unit, and, and you start saying, like, I have to worry about this, I have to do X, Y, and Z. And I have to make sure this is like that. And, you know, gonna seem paranoid. Like, that sounds like anxiety or like a little bit obsessive, don't you think? Right. And so it really depends on the context about that. Whereas in other settings, it's like, wow, they're really on top of it.
Scott Benner 32:20
Right? Yeah. So what about if I'm just like, I don't know, I'm a very well managed type one who really understands that I'm going to go in for something because I need it right. And I'm, but I'm going to be there for a month. Is there a way to talk to the hospital as you're going in? Or do you think you're just going to be treated in that one size fits all situation that you explained earlier?
Anonymous Female Speaker 32:42
I mean, I think like, again, six of my night admissions were at the same facility. And so they, they knew me, and they were comfortable with me, I was comfortable with them. But I think, especially when it comes to people who are struggling with like suicidal ideation, or insulin omission, they want me to be cautious, because of the potential of what could happen. I lost my train of thought, I don't know where I was going with that. But um, you have to figure that out with the place you're at.
Scott Benner 33:17
Okay, so you can't just walk in and say, I've got a plan, I need you to follow my plan, you're gonna have to do it hand in hand with them and get it straight.
Anonymous Female Speaker 33:26
Right? Because they might have rules that you there are some units that won't allow insulin pumps, because you could hurt yourself with it. Right? Exactly.
Scott Benner 33:35
They're gonna want to have control over your insulin and be the only one who's administering it.
Anonymous Female Speaker 33:39
Exactly. So the fact that I could was based on my history of symptoms, and also my relationship with them, but I knew a lot of people who went from a pump to like shots when they were in the hospital.
Scott Benner 33:57
Was your blood sugar higher during that time? Like
Anonymous Female Speaker 34:00
while I was in the hospital? Yeah. Oh, no, that was actually when I had my best a one C. And I like framed it. It was 6.9 Because you were focusing on it. Like, to be honest, I don't know. Why. Some I mean, sometimes, yeah. Like, I'm not really quite sure. Because I mean, I was testing four to six times a day before that. I was always giving my insulin I was eating I was well, I mean, I was not eating, I was exercising. But I think sometimes like the stress of like starvation, just in and of itself leads to overall higher blood sugars. So even when you're not eating, you're you're I guess, I don't know if you're, like throwing out some glue gun or what but yeah, I my, I had an agency of 6.9 when I was impatient, and it's not I haven't been able to get that sense.
Scott Benner 34:59
What What would you want colleagues to know about type one? So other psychiatrists, if you if they asked you, you know, fill me in about diabetes? What do I need to know? If I'm helping someone with type one? What do you think they need to know?
Anonymous Female Speaker 35:14
It's not a matter of just following a few simple rules, you could do everything you're told and still have crazy blood sugars. And I've also had patients who don't do anything that they're told to do, and their agencies are better than mine. So, you know, it's like, not necessarily a reflection of one's effort. Yeah. And it consumes you. I mean, it has to like every, you can't just forget about it. So
Scott Benner 35:45
you, you would like doctors to know more about the personal and psychological side of diabetes? Not, you wouldn't your first thought is, they should understand how to use insulin or how it works or what some of the struggles you might be having with high and low blood sugars. Because of your I think
Anonymous Female Speaker 36:00
it depends on on the specialty, like for as a psychiatrist, I'm not going to be prescribing insulin, but I can, when and then when I do get patients with type one diet with diabetes. I do I say it sucks. Like, it's like the, you know, they get frustrated with their hives or, you know, their limitations. And I think being able to recognize how it impacts somebody's day and their relationships. And so it depends on what your specialty is, in terms of what you would focus on. But yeah, I don't need to know about like their insulin. As long as like, are you taking it? Are you skipping your insulin, but I wouldn't be adjusting someone's insulin.
Scott Benner 36:48
Are there any psychiatric meds that could impact people's blood sugar's? Oh,
Anonymous Female Speaker 36:52
yeah. So all of our anti psychotic medications, which aren't just used for psychosis, but I mean, most commonly, they're, they're used for like schizophrenia and bipolar disorder, but even some patients with anxiety and depression are on these medications. And so they can affect blood sugars, but in a large percentage of our like, chronically ill patients, they do lead to type two diabetes. Okay.
Scott Benner 37:20
The medications can,
Anonymous Female Speaker 37:22
yeah, because weight gain and insulin resistance. Yeah.
Scott Benner 37:31
But, but it's a it's a catch 22 Because you feel like they really need this medication.
Anonymous Female Speaker 37:35
Right. And it's not like, you take the pill and your blood sugar goes up. It's a matter of, like lifestyle. And, you know, sadly, a lot of our chronically ill patients don't have access to like good food and, and the ability to exercise and so it's, it's just a vicious cycle.
Scott Benner 37:55
Do you see people trying to medicate their psychiatric situations with with weed? And does that work? Or does it make it worse?
Anonymous Female Speaker 38:03
I see patients trying to treat everything with wishes. Like,
Scott Benner 38:09
I stubbed my toe, I think we would fix it. I gotcha. Like,
Anonymous Female Speaker 38:13
I'm like, constipated I have diarrhea, like, you know, it's like everything with weed. And they won't take like prescription meds because they want things that are all natural. I haven't seen cannabis or whatever be the miracle that it's supposed to be. But I see people trying all the time.
Scott Benner 38:29
Yeah. And do you see it make things worse ever? Patients will never tell you it makes it worse. There are studies that say that you could soak some people's brain chemistry, right. You could get blasted enough that it could alter you in a way that you don't get to come back from I know, it's not a very common thing that happens, but it is it is possible, right?
Anonymous Female Speaker 38:49
Especially the the synthetics like those can make you very sick. But I mean, I'll have patients who are requesting stimulants because they're so tired. And it's like, Whoa, how much weed Are you smoking? That's not what's making me tired. You know, and
Scott Benner 39:07
I think it's their ADHD. I need my ADHD medication, right?
Anonymous Female Speaker 39:10
I can't focus. How much weight are you smoking? That's telling me this?
Scott Benner 39:16
How much is that being? How much is ADHD medication being abused? professionally? Are they just giving it to everybody?
Anonymous Female Speaker 39:25
So I guess I'm the generation of Doc's before me, were very into, like pleasing the patients at the expense of like, their health. And so when I was in med school, we were taught like, pain is a vital sign and pain is unacceptable. We have to treat pain and so I've seen a lot of patients whose doctors were all about, you shouldn't have pain, you shouldn't have anxiety, and you should have like super Human focus, but basically pathologizing just being human. Yeah. So I think my generation, we're trying to kind of come back from pullback. And, you know, we're facing patients with a lot of struggles with addiction. And, sadly, these patients are getting angry.
Scott Benner 40:21
Well, they're are they addicted to that medication at this point? Yeah, yeah. Right.
Anonymous Female Speaker 40:25
I mean, you hear of people going and, you know, shooting their doctors for not giving them their prescription. So they're, they're addicted, they're dependent. And they've not been told no before. But it's like, at this point, you know, it's like, do we actually need this medication? Is this actually clinically indicated? Is it helpful? And just giving you what you want isn't exactly my job. Yeah,
Scott Benner 40:51
I want to go back over that, actually. Because so what we're saying here is that, at some point, the teaching was you shouldn't be having human problems, pain, anxiety, stuff, like, I don't mean then crippling anxiety. I mean, just being anxious and like, then it gets around, right. So you start prescribing it to the people who really need it. And then people are out in the world. They're like, Oh, I used to be anxious. But you know, I told my doctor, and this happened, or I used to have trouble focusing. But now I'm on ADHD medication, which is like, it's it's speed, right, like ADHD medication is,
Anonymous Female Speaker 41:27
it's an it's like, some people
Scott Benner 41:29
need a Yeah, right. But what I'm saying is, then they get out into the world, and then somebody who has a tiny bit of trouble focusing, it's like, Ooh, I love that. And now we're basically putting them on speed. And they're hyper focused. Right,
Anonymous Female Speaker 41:41
right. And, and I think we've, like when patients come like, oh, you know, my parents died. And I'm very sad. It's like, yes,
Scott Benner 41:53
that is how we, that's a sad thing. We're supposed to be sad. When that happens. You're I am. So like, sometimes
Anonymous Female Speaker 41:59
I'll be asked, like, I need medication to get rid of my normal response to things. And so I often hesitate, because when patients eyes are really crappy, I don't want them to think, well, if you take this pill, you'll you'll just be you know, happy and dancing on tables, despite everything that's going wrong. So I'll discuss that with my patients. Like, I'm not giving you this medication, because I think that you shouldn't be dancing on tables. But to take the situation out from like, right in front of their face and give them some room to breathe to actually process the situation.
Scott Benner 42:36
Did this happen with depression medication to it start off with people who are crippled and depressed and then go down to like, I feel a little sad sometimes, like, Here, take a pill, you'll feel better.
Anonymous Female Speaker 42:46
Exactly. Yeah. And so that's part of being human are moods go up and down. And, you know, we respond to things and when if we don't, I'm more concerned, like when when patients are saying like, Oh, I'm anxious about, you know, I'm moving across the country and starting a new job. I'm really anxious about that. That's appropriate. I'm not going to medicate that away, you know, if the anxiety is to the point where it's like, I can't leave my house. And I have to like flip the switch 14 times. Um, you know, that's different. But
Scott Benner 43:21
so this is not just happening in physical doctoring. It's happening in mental health doctoring as well, like that idea of like, eventually, it just becomes so commonplace that the mere mention of it's almost like, if somebody came to you and said, Hey, listen, I eat an entire pizza, and then I had acid reflux, you would might want to say to them, don't eat so much pizza, but instead, some doctors gonna be like, oh, we'll take this proton pump inhibitor, that'll get rid of the acid reflux. Right? Right. And you're telling me, you'd be more worried about a person who came into your office and sat down with you and said, My parents just died? And I'm not upset at all? That would be Yeah, that would be more concerning, then. I'm sad. Yeah.
Anonymous Female Speaker 44:00
I tried to normalize emotion. Because we've we've gone from like, one end of like, don't tell anybody about your feelings to like pathologizing every emotion. Yeah, I think we're kind of trying to find a healthy middle ground. Since
Scott Benner 44:18
we're gonna keep you anonymous. Yeah, I'm gonna ask you another question. I don't know. I don't want to be judged by my question. Okay, so the thing I'm noticing it feels like a lot of people want to be labeled Hmm They want a diagnosis of something Yeah. To explain their personality almost. Is that is something you see as well or am I making that up? Yeah,
Anonymous Female Speaker 44:42
I've been my patient population is is different because I'm seeing like the medically ill patients a lot of my patients are like, much older but I am noticing especially with with younger folks and it's like it before you never would talk about like, you know, depression or anything but now I was like, there's almost some pride in having a label. You know, like I am bipolar and, and we often and they're often used in correctly. I have PTSD. Well, yeah. Oh, if people say they have OCD, and then they're like, because I like my desk to be clean. I like that drives me bonkers.
Scott Benner 45:21
That's not OCD. OCD is stepping in and out of a room 75 times so you can leave.
Anonymous Female Speaker 45:25
Right? Yeah. Like, I need to call my mom because I might have killed her. And I need to check that I didn't kill her.
Scott Benner 45:33
Oh, and there's no way you killed her because you weren't even with her? Well,
Anonymous Female Speaker 45:37
I because I said something badly about her. Oh,
Scott Benner 45:39
I stepped on the crack. Break your mother's back like that line of thinking, Oh, yeah.
Anonymous Female Speaker 45:44
I've been convinced that I've killed my cat because I used the wrong machine at the gym. And so like, I wouldn't ever use that machine again. That's OCD.
Scott Benner 45:54
Tell me that you've literally used the wrong gym equipment. And your brain told you this action we've involved ourselves in may have killed our cat.
Anonymous Female Speaker 46:04
Yeah, because my cat died the day I changed machine.
Scott Benner 46:07
Oh, that's OCD when we're talking about OCD. Okay. All right. I
Anonymous Female Speaker 46:11
got and it's like, I know, that's not possible. Like, I don't want to test it out. Because we'll die in the next time.
Scott Benner 46:20
That's where the illness comes in. Right? OCD. Yeah, like there's a difference. So if you're walking along in a sidewalk, and I put it in your head that if you stepped on a crack, your mom's back would break. And then we had a conscious conversation about it, where we all discussed it and believe that there was no way that you stepping on this crack would break her back, I couldn't get you to put your foot on that crack still. No,
Anonymous Female Speaker 46:40
OCD is different for everybody. So it's like you couldn't induce like, an obsession or compulsion in me. But if you had it, the connections are drawn in my interested in my irrational head. So nobody said, like, what did you do this morning? Because our cat bought it? Clearly, it's tied to something you did. Yeah. But the OCD brain is like, Well, I must have done something. And if I did, that means that if I don't do that, again, I can control the outcome. I say, um, so there's, there's some of that to
Scott Benner 47:15
something and the idea of like, wanting to be labeled, so you don't think I'm off on that, like, people find comfort and being like, there's a couple of them from the last couple of years that really throw me off. You're not all being gaslighted? That's one thing. And every guy you met isn't toxic. And what's the other one that Oh, you're not autistic? If you're not autistic, like like the amount of adults who want to tell me, I have a little autism, like, you don't have a touch of the autism? Is that what you're saying? To me? I'm a little prick. Yeah, you know, I think sometimes I think I might be autistic. That's very insulting to people who are actually autistic, first of all, and, or have autism. I'm sorry, if I'm using the phrasing wrong. And but what a weird, odd thing to say. Like, like, like, it would be like walking around and saying to somebody, like, Oh, I think I have diabetes, right. Sometimes I think I might have a little diabetes, or, um, you know what I mean? Like, I don't understand, there's this thing. I'm assuming that most people would give away if they could wish it away. And you're telling me because of a personality trait, you think maybe you have a little bit of it. I don't know what that means. I think, like more
Anonymous Female Speaker 48:22
of like, this explains my behavior. And I don't maybe have to work on myself because I have a diagnosis that like, I
Scott Benner 48:31
can blame you because by the way, if you have autism, that's I'm not arguing about that. I'm literally talking about people walk around who like say something silly and go like, or they get confused about something. You've seen it right. Like, it's the weirdest damn thing. Like, oh, that's my autism or, oh, yeah, that's my Autism Act. And up. I'm like, What are you talking about? And it's not an isolated thing. People love saying stuff like that. Yeah,
Anonymous Female Speaker 48:57
I had a colleague that would mean she wasn't great. interpersonally but everything was because of her autism.
Scott Benner 49:05
What's the one where you talk and then you're tired from being around people? I'm introverted. Yeah, I have so I'm socially awkward. Like like I guess there are some people are socially awkward. Just some people just don't like talking to other people. You're not socially awkward. You don't enjoy talking to people. Like Like, it's it's okay, if you don't, and
Anonymous Female Speaker 49:22
then people will say antisocial, and that's not they don't mean antisocial. They mean a slow
Scott Benner 49:27
Alright, anti socials. Like that's a real mental distinction right where you could kill somebody.
Anonymous Female Speaker 49:34
antisocial people, you know, are tend to be very charming, but often, you know, they're out for themselves and not really worried about others. Yeah. And so antisocial. People often become politicians and CEOs, but they're often also on the other end of the spectrum, just they, you know, harm other people and they have they have no remorse like a handsome serial killer kind of a situation. Right? All right. So anyway, Liz, so many people are so interested in labeling themselves all the time, do they actually cause themselves more problems than they would if they just bumped up and said, This is who I am, and like, I just like it or don't like it, I don't care and let me move on, or I'm doing this thing. And I'd like to change. So I have to put the effort into changing. I think the, the labels often lead to being medicated when it's not necessary. And I think that that, you know, being labeled being medicated being then, like, pigeonholed and like groups of other people who have that diagnosis. I think that definitely changes like your your behavior, but also your your chemistry and right. Yeah, I mean, when you start saying that, like I have this illness, I am this illness, I think your trajectory changes. Yeah,
Scott Benner 50:58
I want to be very clear, I'm not talking about the anyone who's actually afflicted or has something or I'm talking about the people who live in the, in the nebulous part in between, and they just want to, they just want to say things for me, you talking about advocating for yourself, I think you have to be very aware that everything looks like a nail to someone who only has a hammer, right? So if you're eight, so if you go to a surgeon, and your toe hurts, the surgeon is going to want to do surgery, if you go to a physical therapist, a physical therapist is going to do physical therapy, if you go to a psychiatrist, they might write you a med, if you go to a therapist, they might want to talk at the desk, everyone's gonna use the tool they have at their disposal. A good anything will say, Hey, you called an electrician, but you need a plumber. Right? But a bad electrician will say you call me I'm going to find a way to bill you for this. Exactly.
Anonymous Female Speaker 51:47
Because I mean, I do that all the time where I'm like, I don't think medication is necessary. I'm not going to push this pill on you. When I think you know, I think therapy would be better or but yeah, I mean, then you create a customer base, you know, and they keep coming back. Yeah. As physicians, we need to be really cognizant of, like, if I had other tools, would I would I use those? Or am I just using this? Because there's all I've got?
Scott Benner 52:16
Yeah, I mean, like if I see somebody in talk therapy for 30 years, I think, man, you're paying for someone's boat, this brain? Yeah, yeah. Like, you ain't got this worked out yet. But you're maybe you're in the wrong spot, then if that's the case, and not to say that you couldn't value. Listen, I think if you wouldn't spoke to somebody for the rest of your life, it would be valuable. But if you're in there saying I have a problem a and we're this close to getting it fixed, but we never quite get there. I think you got to wonder about that a little bit. Maybe this isn't the therapy for you, or not the right therapist, or you're barking up the wrong tree or whatever. It's just it's, I don't know, this all seems very obvious to me, I have to tell you.
Anonymous Female Speaker 52:57
I mean, but I think some people are just like, so desperate for help or answers or Yeah. And then like, if I'm doing therapy, that I'm doing something, but not really taking stock of like, is this effective, like, and kind of going back to the diabetes, like, in retrospect, you know, I'm, I, you know, I check my blood sugar, and I give insulin and all this, but I never made adjustments because my blood sugars were high. That just wasn't part of it. And so, but I always felt like, while I'm doing what I'm supposed to do, so, like, I literally had the thought, Well, I'm doing what I'm supposed to do. So I won't have consequences.
Scott Benner 53:39
And if I do, it's not my fault. It's someone else's.
Anonymous Female Speaker 53:41
Some people do that. But mine was like, I'll be protected from from the consequences because I'm at least doing what I'm supposed to be
Scott Benner 53:50
interesting. Oh, God, I have to tell you, because we mixed your personal story with your background. Like there's there's a blend in this hour, but the last half an hour of it is I haven't such a good time. So like not that I wasn't in the beginning. But in the beginning, I was like I was told interview, let me know, let me find out about our life and everything like that. But then when we really dove into it, I was like, Oh, this is the lane for this conversation right here. This is perfect. You are having a unique situation you are a you're a psychiatrist, not nothing wrong with therapy, but you're not a therapist, you're not a you're a psychiatrist, you're you're a medical doctor. At the same time you are and have been in need of a doctor of your type. And you have type one diabetes, and you grew up at a time where there wasn't a lot to expect out of management.
Anonymous Female Speaker 54:40
Yeah, and then I mean, we could go even deeper as like as a physician being terribly unhappy with the system like the medical system as it is and then becoming victim of it as a patient to
Scott Benner 54:55
let's finish with that. What's wrong with the system in psychiatry I
Anonymous Female Speaker 54:59
I can't say psychiatry specifically. But the the medical system is failing us, like completely. I don't know how to fix it every day, I feel like we're, we're doing more harm than good. I think it's a matter of, well, that it's become a business. And that like hospitals are run by people with business degrees and not with medical degrees. Doctors are encouraged to do more, faster, not better. And it results in in bad care. Yeah, I it seems like I feel like at this point, the system is basically it has to crumble, and we have to rebuild it. But I don't know how long that's going to take. And it feels like it's, it's very close,
Scott Benner 55:51
it almost feeds itself. It's interesting, this conversation shows you too, it almost feeds itself very great it makes like this, the way things are set up, make people who think they need all this help, then then they go for the help to a bunch of people who were told 15 minutes, make sure there's something on that paper you can check off that we can bill insurance for and then get them out of here.
Anonymous Female Speaker 56:12
Right. And then, and then, you know, mediocrity is kind of what we're aiming for in medical care, unfortunately. And so that's rewarded. And so you know, in 15 minutes, I can give you like, three different prescriptions, and then you'll be happy and you'll come back, and I'm probably hurting you more than I'm helping you. Yeah. But if I were to have an hour or two with you, I would probably be able to help you better, but I would help fewer, or help in quotes, I'd see fewer people, so I'd make less money. Right.
Scott Benner 56:46
You know, I spoke at an event this recently, and like hundreds of people with diabetes parents of children, adults, and the feedback that's coming back from it already is wow, you know, he was just here a couple of days ago, like, look at my graph. My graph is so much better. I'm doing this better. I'm doing that better. Bob, I just, I was just with a group of people. And I floated in and out of conversations and gave talks every once in a while. Yeah. Like
Anonymous Female Speaker 57:11
I'm, I'm very intrigued by, like, when I'm, you know, seeing other people and like, their, their graphs are phenomenal. So that I have to admit, but I also worry about them. Because I see people posting like, like, Oh, my goodness, my, my, my daughter's blood sugar went to like 150. And, and it's like, well, that's great. So it's like, I do worry that like the that we might be breathing like this. Perfectionism
Scott Benner 57:40
if I may I think it's possible you're worrying about them through your lens. Totally
Anonymous Female Speaker 57:45
100% Like, like when people are like I worry about the kids on like the low carb diets. But you're right, it's 100%. Milans. Yeah,
Scott Benner 57:55
but it's a valuable perspective, like it can, because there are going to be there are going to be people out there who are going to have your reaction to it. Like when it's put on them, or when it's their their walk that they're walking. And there's just as many people who like can say, Oh, 150 I messed up a meal. Let me fix that and never think about it again. Yeah,
Anonymous Female Speaker 58:16
and I don't even I don't even think I messed up, like my blood sugar's 150. And then I go on.
Scott Benner 58:24
Yeah. But my point always is like, like, look, I don't know the right answer for the world, right? My point is, let's put all the information out in the world, and those of us who want it and can use it. Good. And for those of us who need to modify it, so it fits us better. Good, but at least we all know, you don't I mean, and whether or not it's going to see the I can give you the opposite argument, which is if we hold back information so that people who are burdened don't feel more burdened than people who would not be burdened by it are going to be unhealthier. Needless, yeah, no, I
Anonymous Female Speaker 59:03
mean, I'm I think it's wonderful and people's lives are being changed. And I think also like, I was this perfectionist, and I was, I always thrived on like, people telling me how good I was with like, nobody really, really cared what my blood sugar's were but they knew I ate right I exercised and I checked my blood sugar. I was told like, Oh, you don't cheat on your diet. I was I was always a good diabetic. And then I but I'm like, the standard is getting really high. Now.
Scott Benner 59:37
Well, you're a professional perfectionist by by manifest of your of your OCD. Right,
Anonymous Female Speaker 59:44
right. Yeah. And so that's what I think they end when I've gone into the hospital and no longer been really in control of what I eat. I see myself like trying to perfect the blood sugars. That's me, not everybody else. Yeah, it's also interesting to be so awesome to be able to see like, stable blood sugars. Like,
Scott Benner 1:00:07
I wish you could watch your blood sugar through my eyes for a week. Because you wouldn't hold on to like anything. You just see this? You don't I mean, I've
Anonymous Female Speaker 1:00:17
never I don't adjust my insulin. I only I wait till my endocrinologist. You've been doing this
Scott Benner 1:00:24
for 30, like 35 years, why not? Why won't you adjust your insulin? Well,
Anonymous Female Speaker 1:00:28
I think in part more recently, it's like, as a physician myself, when patients adjust their meds, it's especially like controlled substances. It's, it's just, it's not good. But it's also like, frustrating, but I mean, that can't be the only reason. You know,
Scott Benner 1:00:47
yeah, we're not talking about like, let me just take two more of these Zoloft. Like that's not like, right, right. Yeah, it's, this is a very specific, this is a very a because, you know, if you made adjustments, you'd be better off, right. Like for outcomes and numbers? Yeah,
Anonymous Female Speaker 1:01:02
I just where do you think we don't know how to do it? Person honest, like, I don't know. I don't know if it's what those adjustments are like, this is like, it's like, fairly embarrassing.
Scott Benner 1:01:13
I'm enjoying listening to be so, so honest. It's great. When you when you're anonymous, isn't it you can just say, gay, you can just let it go.
Anonymous Female Speaker 1:01:23
I mean, you know, is like a carb ratio issue is a sensitivity issue. And, and, or did they just count the carbs wrong? Or like, yeah, you know, blame the diabetes fairy. So I blame her a lot.
Scott Benner 1:01:39
So, so for you and algorithm really is valuable. The Omnipod five, like just kind of I don't really want to know what it's doing. I just needed to do it.
Anonymous Female Speaker 1:01:47
Well, I would like you would, I would like to know, and it doesn't always do it well, like being like, in the closed loop. I'm still you know, in the mid seven,
Scott Benner 1:01:59
perfect. You're not Pre-Bolus thing because of gastroparesis, but you could be doing, you can Pre-Bolus a little bit with gastroparesis, then putting the rest once you know, you're seeing the impact, and that alone might stop your spikes.
Anonymous Female Speaker 1:02:11
Yeah. And then also, like, I use the Ask, which is like, supposed to be really fast acting right. And so I guess I was told that, you know, I'm a pump and with this insulin, you don't
Scott Benner 1:02:25
need to get the feeling like it's fast acting. It works right away. Right. Yeah,
Anonymous Female Speaker 1:02:29
it doesn't work that right away. Yeah, gastroparesis is really not the main reason. Okay,
Scott Benner 1:02:35
well, then, may I make a suggestion? Please? Episode 1000 to the podcast through episode 1025 Is the diabetes Pro Tip series. Okay, if you listen through that, and you don't have an A one C and the low sixes afterwards, I'll be surprised. Really? Yeah, I promise.
Anonymous Female Speaker 1:02:54
Just like exercise is big for me. Okay. You can exercise. And like that. That has been very helpful. But I do worry about being getting too much insulin and exercising.
Scott Benner 1:03:10
Would you be willing to try it? Yeah, email me when when you're done with it. Listen through there. Like I think it's 25 or 26. Episodes what they begin at 1000. And you listen to those, and then send me an email three months later and tell me if things aren't better. Okay,
Anonymous Female Speaker 1:03:27
and like this, or like, I will understand what you're talking about.
Scott Benner 1:03:31
Oh, my God, of course. Did you understand me while we were talking now? No, I didn't really win you over at the diabetes stuff. You didn't some of that.
Anonymous Female Speaker 1:03:39
No, no, I'm just kidding. I was like, Wait, now you're gonna be sarcastic. I have no idea what you said this whole time. Don't
Scott Benner 1:03:46
add sarcasm now. Like, we either gotta lead with it and go the whole way. Or like, you can't just drop it into the end. I was like, Oh, my God.
Anonymous Female Speaker 1:03:55
You have no idea what I said. No. I was a psychiatrist. I pretended that they did.
Scott Benner 1:04:00
Oh, that's very interesting. Tell me more. Is that what you say? When you not offer a second when somebody's talking? Oh, that's interesting. Can you put that in a different way for me? Yeah.
Anonymous Female Speaker 1:04:12
What you're saying, Tell me again,
Scott Benner 1:04:14
let me read you know what, instead of me recapping, you just tell me which, which means I was thinking about my checkbook and that I was thinking of having Chinese tonight, right?
Anonymous Female Speaker 1:04:23
Or I wonder what my blood sugars do.
Scott Benner 1:04:25
I would genuinely be interested to hear from you after you listen through that a couple of months after you did.
Anonymous Female Speaker 1:04:30
Okay. I'm excited to try something because what I'm doing is is not working.
Scott Benner 1:04:36
Oh, all right. Okay, well, then let's call it a promise from you. And then we will. We'll get that out. You'll I'll hear back from you at some point. Okay.
Anonymous Female Speaker 1:04:45
My doctor is not going to get like upset with me. Well, she doesn't carry my phone calls or messages.
Scott Benner 1:04:51
She's not responding to your phone calls and messages. I say maybe we don't care what she thinks.
Anonymous Female Speaker 1:04:57
I sent her I sent her a message. I think so. Six weeks ago, I'm still waiting.
Scott Benner 1:05:03
Well, I think by the way, I think I'm gonna I'm gonna get this anonymized. I'm gonna put it in the cold wind series and I'm gonna call it cold wind professional perfectionist. Oh, I like Yeah. All right. I gotta jump. So let me say goodbye. Okay.
Anonymous Female Speaker 1:05:16
All right, wonderful. It was nice to talk to you to.
Scott Benner 1:05:23
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David 1:07:42
19 years?
Scott Benner 1:07:43
What was your management style when you were diagnosed?
David 1:07:45
I use injections for about six months. And then my endocrinologist at a navy recommended a pump. How
Scott Benner 1:07:51
long had you been in the Navy? See eight years up to that point? Eight years? Yeah, I've interviewed a number of people who have been diagnosed during service. And most of the time they're discharged. What happened to you?
David 1:08:03
I was medically discharged. Yeah, six months after my diagnosis.
Scott Benner 1:08:07
I don't understand the whole system. Is that like honorable? Yeah. I mean,
David 1:08:11
essentially, if you get a medical discharge, you get a commensurate honorable discharge. I guess there could be cases where something other than that, but that's that's really how it happened. So it's an honorably discharged with but because of medical
Scott Benner 1:08:22
reasons, and that still gives you access to the VA for the rest of your life. Right?
David 1:08:25
Correct. Yeah, exactly.
Scott Benner 1:08:26
Do you use the VA for your management? No,
David 1:08:28
I used to up until a few years ago, when we moved to North Carolina, it just became untenable, just the rigmarole and process to kind of get all the things I needed. You know, for diabetes management, it was far easier just to go through a private practice.
Scott Benner 1:08:42
Was it your goal to stay in the Navy for your whole life? Your career was? Yeah,
David 1:08:45
yeah. In fact, I think a few months before my diagnosis, my wife and I had that discussion about, you know, staying in for the long term. And, you know, we've made the decision despite all the hardships and time away from home, that was what we love the most. So that's what made it that much more difficult
Scott Benner 1:09:02
was the Navy, like a lifetime goal of yours or something you came to as an adult lifetime goal.
David 1:09:07
I mean, as my earliest childhood memories were flying being a fighter pilot and specifically being you know, flying on and off aircraft carriers. So you know, watching Top Gun in the ad certainly a weight was a
Scott Benner 1:09:19
catalyst for that you've taken off and landed a jet on an aircraft carrier 100 times is there anything in life as exhilarating as that? No,
David 1:09:28
but there there's a roller coaster I wrote at I think it was it's Cedar Rapids up in Cleveland Sandusky, and they've got this roller coaster rotation from zero to like, it's like 80 or something. You go up the big hill and you come right back down. So the acceleration is pretty similar. I would say to catapult shot I'm
Scott Benner 1:09:46
gonna guess you own a Tesla.
David 1:09:49
I don't I I'm a boring guy. I got a hybrid rav4 I get made fun of I get called. You know, my my wife says I drive like a grandpa. I'm a five miles per hour open. Speed Limit person, no more than that. So yeah, in the car, I'm boring Scott. So
Scott Benner 1:10:03
you've never felt a need to try to replace that with something else.
David 1:10:07
You can't replace it. It's irreplaceable. That's what I thought. So up until the point where someone you know, buys me an F 18, or allows me to get inside a two seater and fly it, you can't replace it. How did
Scott Benner 1:10:17
it make you feel when you saw or maybe you haven't seen? gentleman named Pietro has his large aircraft license. He's flying for a major carrier. Now he has type one diabetes, does that feel hopeful to you?
David 1:10:27
Yeah, it does. You know, when I when I was diagnosed, that wasn't a possibility. The FAA prohibited commercial pilots who had type one diabetes, but I think it was 2017 when they changed their rules to allow type one diabetics to be commercial pilots. And part of the reason they did that was because of the technology advancements, specifically in pump therapy, and pump management. So I don't have any aspirations of going to the commercial airlines. But one of my sons who has type one diabetes very much wants to be a commercial pilot. So, you know, in that respect, I'm very hopeful and thankful. Yeah.
Scott Benner 1:11:00
Do you fly privately now for pleasure?
David 1:11:03
I do. Yeah. One of my favorite things to do is fly my kids to the different soccer tournaments they have all over the southeast us. So last week, my wife and I and two of our boys flipped to Richmond for their soccer tournaments up there. And Charlie, who's my middle child has type one diabetes. So you know if I can combine flying family and football and one weekend to me that's I think I've just achieved Valhalla.
Scott Benner 1:11:27
So then it sounds to me like this diagnosis was a significant course correction for you. Can you tell me how it affected your dream?
David 1:11:34
Well, I you know, if I guess three words come to mind first, it was devastating. Everything I had done in life, everything I'd worked up to up to that point was just taken away in an instant. And I was not prepared for that at all. The second emotion was, it was scary. I hadn't thought much about life outside the Navy, certainly not life as anything else, but a fighter pilot. And Heather and I were getting ready to move to France, I was going to do an exchange tour with with the French naval air force. So we were taking French classes. So pretty quickly, I had to reinvent myself. And then probably the most important thing at the same time that all that was going on, I had to learn how to deal with type one diabetes, and how to manage it effectively. The third thing that pops into my mind, I guess, is challenging, you know, new daily routines, I had to establish first with injections, and then eventually, you know, through pump management, and then learning how to count carbs and recognize highs and lows, how my body reacts to blood sugar trends based on exercise and stress and those types of things. And my goal at that time, and it still is today is to leverage technology and make sure my habit patterns are effective so that I take diabetes management from the forefront to the background.
Scott Benner 1:12:41
Have you had success with that? Do you feel like you've made the transition? Well,
David 1:12:45
I have I mean, I believe in continuous improvement. So there's always more to do. I will say the technology since I was diagnosed specifically with pump management, it's just, it's just incredible. It takes less of me intervening, and it's really done by the pump itself and by the algorithms through the CGM comes in to me again, that that should be the goal for everybody is to not have to focus so much on the daily aspects of type one, diabetes management, you know, we should let technology do that for us.
Scott Benner 1:13:14
What else have you found valuable? I've spoken to 1000s of people with type one diabetes, the one thing that took me by surprise, because I don't have type one, myself, and my daughter was very young when she was diagnosed. I didn't really understand until I launched this podcast, and then it grew into this kind of big Facebook presence. I heard people say, I don't know anybody else who has type one diabetes. I wish I knew more people. But until I saw them come together, I didn't recognize how important it was. Yeah,
David 1:13:43
I think similarly, I didn't know anyone with type one diabetes growing up as an adult up until when I was diagnosed. And then all the sudden people just came out of the woodwork. And when CGM is first hit the market, certainly within the last five years. It's amazing to me and my family, how many people we've noticed with type one diabetes simply because you can see the CGM on their arm. I mean, I would say, a month does not go by where we don't run into someone at a restaurant or an amusement park or a sporting event or somewhere where we see somebody else with type one diabetes. And the other surprising aspect of that is just how quickly you make friends. And I'll give you an example. We're at a soccer tournament up in Raleigh, this past Saturday and Sunday. And the referee came over to my son Charlie at the end of the game and said, Hey, I noticed you're wearing pomp. And he lifted up his shirt and showed his pump as well and said, I've had type one diabetes since I was nine years old. I played soccer in college, I'm sure that's your aspiration. And I just want to tell you don't let type one diabetes ever stop you from achieving your dreams of what you want to do. And it's the other man was probably in his late 50s or 60s. So just having that connection and seeing you know, the outreach and people's willingness to share their experiences. It just means The world to us, it just makes us feel like we're part of a strong community. Yeah.
Scott Benner 1:15:03
So would you say that the most important things are strong technology tools, understanding how to manage yourself and a connection to others. Yeah,
David 1:15:12
technology for sure. And knowing how to leverage it, and then the community and that community is your friends, your family, caregivers, you know, for me, the Medtronic, champions community, you know, all those resources that are out there to, you know, help guide the way but then help help you keep abreast on you know, the new things that are coming down the pike, and to give you hope for eventually, you know, that we can find a cure, you
Scott Benner 1:15:34
mentioned that your son wanted to be a pilot, he also has type one diabetes, how old was he when he was diagnosed,
David 1:15:40
so Henry was diagnosed when he was 12 years old. That was just at the start at COVID, we were actually visiting my in laws in Tennessee, we woke up in the morning, and he had his bed. And several years before that, we had all four of our boys tested for trial net. So you know, predictor of whether or not they're going to develop type one diabetes, and Heather or Henry and one of his brothers tested positive for a lot of the indicators. So we always kind of had an inclination that there was a high degree of possibility he would develop it. But we always had at the back of our mind as well. And so when that event happened, at the beginning of COVID, we had him take his blood sugar on my glucometer. And it was over 400. And so right away, we knew that without even being diagnosed properly, by endocrinologist that he was a type one diabetic, so we hurried home, to get him properly diagnosed in Charlottesville. And then we just started the process, first grieving, but then acceptance, and, you know, his eventual, becoming part of the team that nobody wants to join,
Scott Benner 1:16:43
how old is he now?
David 1:16:44
He's 15 years old. Now,
Scott Benner 1:16:46
when's the first time he came to you? And said, Is this going to stop me from flying almost immediately.
David 1:16:53
So like me, he always had aspirations of flying. In fact, he out of all four boys wanted to be in the military, that was a difficult part of the conversation, and maybe something that we don't talk about as a community. But there are some things you cannot do as a type one diabetic, and that's a hard fact of life. And unfortunately, joining the military is one of those hard and fast things you cannot be, you cannot join the military as a type one diabetic. So it was very difficult for him and for me and my wife to get over. Then we also started talking about being a commercial pilot. And so I saw that same excitement in his eyes because like me, you know, he can be an NFA teen or a 737 or a Cirrus SR 20 That I fly and be just as happy. So he still has that passion today and still very much plans to eventually become a commercial pilot.
Scott Benner 1:17:37
I appreciate you sharing that with me. Thank you. You have four children do any others have type one? They
David 1:17:43
do? My oldest twin Henry has type one diabetes and my middle son Charlie has type one diabetes as well. The boys are twins. The oldest two are twins. One has type one diabetes. My middle son, who is not a twin has type one diabetes.
Scott Benner 1:17:56
I see. Is there any other auto immune in your family? There isn't
David 1:17:59
I'm really the only person in my family or my wife's family that we know of with any sort of autoimmune disease, certainly type one diabetes. So unfortunately, I was the first to strike it rich and unfortunately pass it along to to my sons with celiac thyroid or anything like that. Not about nothing. We're really a pretty healthy family. So this came out of nowhere for myself and for my two sons.
Scott Benner 1:18:23
That's really something. I appreciate your time very much. I appreciate your sharing this with me. Thank you very much.
Unknown Speaker 1:18:28
Anytime Scott.
Scott Benner 1:18:29
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