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#1420 Small Sips: Diabetes Is Hard

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Diabetes is always hard, but it doesn't have to feel impossible.

1️⃣ Mastery Comes with Practice – Just like a pro athlete trains to make their sport look effortless, managing diabetes becomes more intuitive over time through experience, learning, and repetition.

2️⃣ Find the Right Support – Not every doctor, educator, or resource will click with you. Keep searching until you find the voices and tools that make diabetes management clearer and more achievable.

3️⃣ Diabetes Doesn’t Get Easier, But You Get Better – The challenges don’t disappear, but with time, knowledge, and the right approach, managing diabetes can feel far less overwhelming.

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Scott Benner 0:00
Hello friends, welcome to the sips series.

These foundational strategies were nominated by listeners. They told me, these are the ideas in the podcast that truly made a difference for them. So I distilled them down into short, actionable insights. There's not going to be any fluff or complex jargon, just practical, real world diabetes management that you can start applying today. And I know your time is valuable, so we're keeping these short. Another small sip will come out once a week for the foreseeable future. If you like what you hear, check out the Pro Tip series or the bold beginning series for more. Those series are available in the menu at Juicebox podcast.com and you can find complete lists of all of the series in the featured tab on the private Facebook group. Please remember that nothing you hear on the Juicebox Podcast should be considered advice medical or otherwise, always consult a physician before making any changes to your health care plan or becoming bold with insulin. The questions you have, I guarantee you there's answers to them in the Juicebox Podcast, and it's all free. You

I am in the position very frequently, where newly diagnosed people are looking to me for help or answers or direction, and while they are speaking, it becomes obvious to you that they need encouragement. And I have said before that I think a lot of my job is like, I feel like I'm like a coach that just like, whacks you on the ass as you're running out of the field, and goes, you can do it. Go get them right. That kind of like an idea, but you actually physically have to say something to them at the end of your conversation. And that was hard for me. Like, what do you say? What are your parting words to somebody who's like, Hey, I just got diagnosed with type one diabetes. I'm freaking out. I don't think I'm gonna be able to eat the same anymore. They told me I can't run. I'm a huge runner. I don't understand it. My mom is telling me it's my fault. Like you're having that conversation with somebody, and then at the end there's a pause, and it's the time for Scott to speak, right? Like you're

Jennifer Smith, CDE 2:21
supposed to solve it all and give them rainbows and unicorns, right? You

Scott Benner 2:25
can't just go, I wouldn't worry about I think it'll be fine, right? What I've learned to tell people, which I believe, is that diabetes is hard, and I don't want to lie to you, I don't think it ever gets easier, but you can get so good at it that it could feel easy some days and sometimes more than that, like true this hard thing is hard, right? Think of yourself as Bryce Harper. Baseball is incredibly difficult, but when I watch him do it, I go, huh? I bet you I could do that, because he makes it look so easy right now, I'm not saying you have to be an all star to do this. I'm saying that after some time and experience and getting your feet under you, listening to bold beginnings, listening to pro tips, figuring out how insulin works, learning how about timing and amount, and learning how fat and protein impact your food, it could actually feel the way it feels for me now, and I'm not bragging to tell you that like I don't think about diabetes like that anymore, and that I am not burdened by it, right? Like, big picture stuff. I wish my daughter didn't have auto immune issues, and there's stuff that comes along with it, I probably sell my leg to make go away for, like, Do you know what I mean? But like, I'm not burdened by it, and most of the time, and I say this with a lot of deference, and I realize I don't have type one, and I'm just a caregiver. It does feel easy to me most days, but it's because I know what to do when something happened, right? Yeah, your

Jennifer Smith, CDE 3:48
example of like a baseball player or a basketball player, just because they look good on the TV when you're watching these professional right? They have practiced, that's right, their sport so much that 99% of the time they're going to catch the catch, they're going to make the shot, they're going to do the thing that they expect to happen, because they've practiced, and they know how it works. And eventually, with diabetes, you will get to that point. Is it going to happen a week from diagnosis? No, and I feel horrible saying that too. Yeah, right. Easy is not a word that belongs in discussion with diabetes. Diabetes is not easy. Yeah, it's not but as you figure out your variables, and they are your variables as you figure them out and grow into, you know, from five to 20 or however, whenever you were diagnosed, you're going to find the things that do work most of the time. It is going to be easier, despite still having to put thought into the picture that. You'd otherwise be like, I really wish I didn't have to think about it. I do too. 36 years I'm still like, man, if the nail in the corner was like, I'll just take that all from you, I'd be like, Sure,

Scott Benner 5:09
years ago, I've done some pretty heavy joking. If you just said to me, like, just kill one person you've never met before, I'd be like, Oh, I could probably do that. It's terrible. I would do anything to get rid of it. I wouldn't hurt another person, but I would do almost anything else to get rid of it. Your example is so spot on. While you were talking, you know, my son's older now. He's going to be 25 Gosh, next month, but in college and his entire life, he played baseball. And I have a video on my I always tell people, don't tell him this if you ever meet him, but like, I have his last college home run video on my desktop. And every once in a while, I pop it up and I watch it, and it's in a bat where he takes a ball and he doesn't swing, and he gets a high, fast ball, and he cuts at it, and he misses it, and then the guy tries to throw him a breaking pitch off the plate, and he just hits it. And they were in a stadium that day. So they were in a professional baseball stadium, and my son hit the ball out of the stadium, like on in right field, right out over the wall, over the grandstand, out of the stadium. It's a minor league park, but it's a full size stadium. If you watch that video, you just think like, wow, that. Look how good that kid is at that but as you're talking, what I recalled, moreover, was three days a week, all summer long, with an instructor by himself on a baseball field, hitting 300 baseballs, 100% 95 degrees outside, humidity. It's not even baseball season anymore, like right now. It's cold and he's doing it now. He's inside, and he's doing it hundreds and hundreds of baseballs and so much, and I'm not kidding you so much failure and despair and wanting to give up and cursing and screaming and crying and throwing things for years and years and years and years and years to hit one fcking home run in college. Yeah, and I guarantee he wouldn't trade it in so

Jennifer Smith, CDE 7:03
he wouldn't know. And what, what stuck there is, I got this sense once I started really running, is the concept of in the moment, he knew internally that he was going to hit that ball. That was the home run. He knew it was going to happen, the connection. He could feel it. He was like, that was it like, it's this feeling of, I know I'm doing I've put all the pieces together in the right way. This run is 100% the pace, the way the breathing, everything is fitting together. But it's only because you've done it for

Scott Benner 7:39
so long, and if, for some reason, it doesn't work out, you just do it again. You do it right? Yeah, right. Because success isn't going to come quickly, and it might come more difficultly to some people than others. You know, in the end, I you know, the goal is not to always hit a home run. My son became a very good hitter, and it took him years, like, years and years and years to do it during COVID, when we were all hiding in our houses, my son, like, flew across the country and, like, worked in a place that was still up and running, and just they hit a baseball, like, because everybody else stopped playing baseball, he's like, I'm not going to stop playing that's what makes that home run magical. Like, it's not about the home run. Like, I see him four years old and 10 years old and 12 and 15 when he hits it, like, in all the effort and the work he put into it, and the good news is, around diabetes, you're not gonna have to put nearly as much work into diabetes as you are into learning how to hit a fastball. Like, because that's that's hard too. It's not going to take you 15 years to learn your diabetes, no, right? And so to me, like, That's it, like diabetes is hard. I wouldn't take that from anybody. I don't know what it's like to have it. I do know what it's like to help somebody with it. It's hard for me. I can see how hard it is for her, even though I don't imagine I completely understand it. But most days, it's not that hard, and that it comes from doing that work and not just blindly trying, but purposefully trying. I can't tell you how many bad hitting coaches my son had, and what a moment it was when he met a good one. You know what I mean, when he got good tools to practice repetition on anyway, right? Yeah,

Jennifer Smith, CDE 9:19
and or a good connection, I think that actually brings in a good point of maybe the other ones were good, but they weren't personality matches for how he was going to receive the information and the instruction from them the same in diabetes, right? You may find the educator, the clinician that you click with, and that might be after going through 246, of them, yeah, but keep

Scott Benner 9:43
looking right? Well, Jenny, there's a reason. Now, listen, you're Midwestern. Everybody loves you, but, like, it's just, it's just the way I say, Oh, listen, I could probably line up a couple of 50,000 people to, like, show up for me. You know what I mean, who would tell you? Like, great things. I could. Probably find exactly as many people who hate my guts and don't like the way I talk or the way I say things. I know people who like me who don't like me. I'm actually thinking of a person right now who I think genuinely likes me and hates me at the same exact time and around diabetes, right? And I know Pete, your wife, no, no, no, she's we've been married for 30 years, she just doesn't like me most of the time. My point is, is that my message, my tone, my the way I do things like the way I just said, What I said is gonna vibe with some people. And I've seen it recently online. Someone said, You know what I love about Scott? No bullshit with Scott. Just says it in another episode recently, I just thank the ADA for finding their balls on something. That's not a thing most people say out loud, right? But at the same time, I could come off course or abrasive, or I gotta. I got a review the other day. The woman's like, I love this podcast. I wish she'd stop saying Jesus Christ, and God damn so much. I'm not even saying it on purpose, but I grew up in the 70s, and there was a lot of cursing. It's how it comes out of my mouth. Like, I don't even know what to tell you, right? So that's a good point. If you're not vibing with the person you're doing the thing with, stop beating your head against the wall and go find somebody else, right? Yeah, same with this podcast, yeah,

Jennifer Smith, CDE 11:10
because you're gonna absorb the same information in a way that actually meets your need, and you're gonna use it, then go

Scott Benner 11:18
find what works for you. Pumps, CGM people, you're getting information from doctors, do not stand and beat your head against the wall, like don't. No, listen. I want you to listen to the podcast, but if I'm not right for you, then go find something else that will help you. I mean, stay subscribed and keep downloading the episodes to help and stuff like that. But you don't have to listen.

Jennifer Smith, CDE 11:36
You know, you can read the transcripts. I mean, they're not always perfect. No,

Scott Benner 11:41
listen, AI is doing a pretty good job making those transcripts. All right. Thank you very much. Sure.

Are you starting to see patterns, but you can't quite make sense of them? You're like, Oh, if I Bolus here, this happens, but I don't know what to do. Should I put in a little less, a little more, if you're starting to have those thoughts, if you're starting to think this isn't going the way the doctor said it would, I think I see something here, but I can't be sure. Once you're having those thoughts, you're ready for the diabetes Pro Tip series from the Juicebox Podcast. It begins at Episode 1000 you can also find it at Juicebox podcast.com up in the menu, and you can find a list in the private Facebook group. Just check right under the featured tab at the top, it'll show you lists of a ton of stuff, including the Pro Tip series, which runs from episode 1000 to 1025

if you or a loved one was just diagnosed with type one diabetes, and you're looking for some fresh perspective. The bowl beginning series from the Juicebox Podcast is a terrific place to start. That series is with myself and Jenny Smith. Jenny is a CD CES, a registered dietitian and a type one for over 35 years, and in the bowl beginnings series, Jenny and I are going to answer the questions that most people have after a type one diabetes diagnosis. The series begins at episode 698 in your podcast player, or you can go to Juicebox podcast.com and click on bold beginnings in the menu. If you're not already subscribed or following in your favorite audio app. Please take the time now to do that. It really helps the show and get those automatic downloads set up so you never miss an episode. Thank you so much for listening. I'll be back very soon with another episode of The Juicebox Podcast. The episode you just heard was professionally edited by wrong way recording, wrong way recording.com and.

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#1419 Death Farts

Thalia's son has diabetes, gut issues and she shares a glucagon story.

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Scott Benner 0:00
Hello friends, and welcome back to another episode of The Juicebox Podcast. Today's guest is the mother of a son with type one diabetes. He's eight years old and has some gut health issues. There's lots of thyroid stuff in the family. We'll even have a glucagon story towards the end of the interview. And this mom has some health issues of her own. Nothing you hear on the Juicebox Podcast should be considered advice medical or otherwise, always consult a physician before making any changes to your health care plan. Don't forget to save 40% off of your entire order at cozy earth.com All you have to do is use the offer code juice box at checkout. That's Juicebox at checkout to save 40% at cozy earth.com, when you place your first order for ag one, with my link, you'll get five free travel packs and a free year supply of vitamin D drink. Ag one.com/juice, box. If you or a loved one was just diagnosed with type one diabetes, and you're looking for some fresh perspective. The bowl beginning series from the Juicebox Podcast is a terrific place to start. That series is with myself and Jenny Smith. Jenny is a CD CES, a registered dietitian and a type one for over 35 years, and in the bowl beginning series, Jenny and I are going to answer the questions that most people have after a type one diabetes diagnosis. The series begins at episode 698, in your podcast player, US med is sponsoring this episode of The Juicebox Podcast, and we've been getting our diabetes supplies from us med for years. You can as well. US med.com/juice, box or call 888-721-1514, use the link or the number get your free benefits check and get started today with us. Med, this episode of the juice box podcast is sponsored by Medtronic diabetes and their mini med 780 G system designed to help ease the burden of diabetes management, imagine fewer worries about mis Bolus or miscalculated carbs thanks to meal detection technology and automatic correction doses. Learn more and get started today at Medtronic diabetes.com/juicebox

Thalia 2:17
Hi. I am Thalia. I'm a mom of one type, one diabetic, a boy who's eight years old.

Scott Benner 2:24
How do Caucasian people mispronounce your name?

Speaker 1 2:26
Talia, Thalia, Delia. Talia, Talia. Sometimes I'm just t at work, just a letter. Because,

Scott Benner 2:35
why is it? Because I have to, like, I don't know how to salsa up your name when I'm talking, because I'm so I'm so Caucasian, that is really the problem. Like, say it again, Thalia, Thalia, yeah, did I do it? Ah, a little bit, a little bit. You're like, No, you didn't try. Yeah, hold on, Thalia, yeah, that's good. All right, I'm gonna try, but it's definitely going to come out, like, I'm ordering a taco, and I'm definitely going to be like, can I get the chimney? I'm definitely going to mess it up, but I'm going to try my video. Okay, so what's the deal? Like? Do I just kind of have to feel it in my soul or something? Is it in my hips? Where am I not getting it?

Speaker 1 3:18
The th is a lot softer. I mean, you said it pretty softly. Is Thalia? Thalia

Scott Benner 3:24
like that? All right? I'm gonna do my best, but, you know, I'm gonna call you t at some point, yeah, and I apologize ahead of time, and that's what I'm gonna say. That's okay. Just the letter is fine. I also can't dance, so please don't judge me on this. I'm judging you. What? Thank you. What made you want to come on the

Speaker 1 3:43
podcast? Why I wanted to add my voice to all the others? You know, I the podcast really helped me have all these experiences under my belt. So when things happened in my daily life with my son, I just I felt like I I had already had those experiences. I was there. I did that. Okay, I can do this. Move on, even though that really never happened to me. So I just wanted to to add to that

Scott Benner 4:10
so someone else could do it so interesting. I'm sure sometimes I say stuff like this, and people like, yeah, dummy. You don't know that about your own pocket, but I really don't. I don't say this much anymore. I used to say it more when I, you know, when I was starting out, but I'm just recording, and I don't really have, like, there's some things I plan for but generally speaking, I'm not thinking, like, Oh, I'll say this and then they'll understand that. Like, I don't really do it that way. But are you saying that the podcast acts almost like a flight simulator for you? Yes. Is that right? So once you're in the plane, you're and a bird hits the engine, you go, Oh, I've already done this. I know what to do

Speaker 1 4:45
exactly. I feel like everybody's collective experiences on the podcast are my own. That's how I feel, because I'm I already know what to do, like, Okay, that didn't work for that person. I'm not going to do that again. It's exactly the way you described. It. Oh, that's so

Scott Benner 5:01
interesting. And so when something pops up that is technically the first time for you that a lot of people find, like frightening or overwhelming or something, does it actually alleviate those issues as well? Yes,

Speaker 1 5:14
yes, I don't. I don't feel stressed out. I used to feel a lot of stress and anxiety in the beginning of his diagnosis. I mean, I've even had like seizures related to stress, and I don't feel any stress at all about unknown situations or random things that happen anymore, just because it's these are all tools in in my belt now, all these experiences. Well,

Scott Benner 5:39
Philia, you had stress induced seizures. Yes, tell me about that. In

Speaker 1 5:45
the first, like three months, I remember not knowing what low was like we left the hospital. His lips were blue. His blood sugar we tested was like 40. And I'm like, This is great. He's not through 300 you know, I didn't know what low was. And then once I finally understood weight, like doing my own research, low means, like, death, basically, you know, seizures and horrible things can happen. I used to run around the house like he's 50, he's 60, whatever. And it got to the point where we check his blood sugar, my son would see his number. He was four at the time, and he would also run around. It was like crazy in my in our house in the very beginning, and I would just be sitting down doing nothing, like playing chess, or, I don't know, just doing nothing, anything at all. And I would just like, pass out. I don't know if it was because of lack of sleep. I don't know if it was just me thinking about the overthinking things, but I would just like, have tunnel vision and just pass out.

Scott Benner 6:53
You pass out. You wouldn't cease. Would you shake and and have, like,

Speaker 1 6:57
a family have has told me that I would shake a little bit. My eyes would roll back. I wasn't foaming I wasn't like spitting up, but that's what would happen to me. Wow,

Scott Benner 7:07
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Speaker 1 9:42
I got better with diabetes. That's what happened.

Scott Benner 9:46
I don't need a therapist. I just need to stop seeing a 50 blood sugar so much. Yes, listen, just for people's edification, a stress induced seizure, also known as a psychogenic non epileptic seizure. Is a type of seizure that occurs due to psychological factors rather than abnormal electrical activity in the brain. It goes on and on, but that's apparently actually a thing I had never heard of that before, that's so interesting. I love that people still say things that I'm like, I've never heard that before and so, so let's be clear. Instead of going to a psychologist and saying, Hey, I keep like, having seizures from stress. You listen to a podcast, got better diabetes and they stopped happening. Yeah, exactly, for free everybody. I didn't charge her for that

Speaker 1 10:29
free after a $300 bill from a brain doctor, they're called, I was like, I'm just gonna listen to this podcast. The Brain

Scott Benner 10:38
guy got 300 and I got nothing. Nothing unbelievable. Sorry, I'll use the advertisers money and pay my bills. It's not a big deal. Thank you. Honestly, like, I'm joking about that, but I'm super proud of that, by the way, again, so many episodes, so if you're newer to the show, I'm proud that, like some people, like, oh, you take ads. Like, I take ads so that Leah can listen to the podcast for free, like, and then I can make the podcast like, It's nine o'clock right now on a Wednesday morning, six months before this podcast is gonna air, like, this is a real job, you know. And you know, somebody's gotta pay the water bill, etc, and send my kids to college and everything. And I don't want it to be you, like, I don't want to take $300 from you and from the other and from everybody listening, so that I can make a podcast like I want to. I want it to be free. I don't think your health and happiness should cost you extra money, and

Speaker 1 11:32
I don't think people would listen if I had to pay $1 every time I listened to an episode. There's definitely going to be limited amount of episodes I could listen to. So I hear that I

Scott Benner 11:43
made that point to a company a few years ago. They came to me and they said, You should monetize your podcast. You can get rid of all your advertisers, and your fans won't have to listen to ads. They'll be so thrilled, etc, and you charge them a monthly fee to listen, or a buy the episode, fee listen. I sat in a meeting, and the lady said to me, how many downloads Do you have? And it was a few years ago, and back then, I think I had like 10, 10 million downloads. And she goes, What if you just charged each one of them $1 for a download? You'd have 10 million and I went, No, I wouldn't. And she goes, Oh no, no. And she's, I was like, stop. I was like, as soon as you put a barrier to entry, people are gonna stop. They're not gonna listen. You can't promise. Like, I mean, your story is really cool, and I appreciate you sharing it. But can you imagine the ad I'd be like, Listen, are you having stress induced seizures? Just listen to the podcast, they'll go away. Like, you know, no. People would be like, Oh my gosh, crack pot. I shut the meeting down very quickly because I was like, This is not okay. I'm like, everyone who wants it needs to be able to get it. I'm just gonna stick with my ad model. And she really, she tried, she pressed and pressed. And I was like, No, it's not how it's gonna work. Like, I'll keep a small percent of listeners, I won't make nearly as much money as you're saying, and on top of that, I'm gonna feel terrible about all the people who are now not listening to the podcast. And I take your point too, because when it's free and it's a story of you like a lady who's got a kid with diabetes, but I'm an adult and I have diabetes, and I don't listen, because I'm like, oh, that has nothing to do with me, and I'm not going to pay $1 for it. But if suddenly it's free, maybe you wind it up and give it a shot. And, you know, 20 minutes into it, you're like, Oh, my God, I have stress induced seizures. I didn't even know what they were like, you know, who knows, right? So, okay, nuggets

Speaker 1 13:38
of information in every episode, like small little things. Thank you.

Scott Benner 13:43
I try. Okay, by the way, how long into the chat, into your child's diagnosis, did those seizures happen? And how long did it take you to get rid of

Speaker 1 13:51
them? Not long. So it was like two months into diagnosis that that started happening. And then once, I got pretty good at diabetes, because I got pretty good pretty quickly, because I found you like out of the hospital. It just took me a little while to start listening, and maybe within five months post diagnosis, they were gone like this. One day they just stopped. I'm so glad. I don't know exactly the day they just stopped.

Scott Benner 14:18
Yeah, no, no, I'm so glad for you. Tell me a little bit about the diagnosis story. How did you figure it out? So

Speaker 1 14:24
We're originally from New York, and we moved to Georgia sometime in 2020 so in the summertime, and suddenly my son starts school. He's four, and he's in pre K, and he just is sleeping all the time, like he comes home from school and he sleeps, and then he eats like crazy and just sleeps, and his behavior is the worst. I'm like, what is happening? And I go on Google, and Google's telling me he's depressed because we moved and that's not at all what happened. Yeah. I'm like, my four year old is depressed, whatever you. Do we gotta go back to New York like, this is terrible,

Scott Benner 15:03
honey. Put all this stuff back in the truck. We gotta get out of here. Look, this happened to the boy. He doesn't like the south

Speaker 1 15:08
Exactly. I'm like, I don't like the South. He doesn't like the South. Let's go. That's not at all what happened. So one day in school he, you know, he's hyperventilating. I forgot what that's called,

Scott Benner 15:21
The Kuzma respirations. Kuzma respirations, he's doing that

Speaker 1 15:25
he's got throw up on his face because was throwing up. He was in, DK, his lips are blue. He's passing out. I'm like, smacking him in the back of a car, like, wake up, wake up. And we take him to, like, a local urgent care where they test a bunch of things. They finally check his blood sugar, and that was over 400 we go to the hospital. I think I heard this on a recent episode too. The doctor just comes in, this is classic type one diabetes and walks out. I'm like what I hear? I hear the word diabetes, and instantly cry like every time somebody walks in and says diabetes. At that point, I just, I just cry. And then my son again, he's four at the time, he just looks over and says, I'm so sorry I have diabetes. And it was like a light switch. I just, I said, I'm not gonna cry anymore. Every time somebody says diabetes, I'm it just was a moment for me,

Scott Benner 16:21
your four year old was apologizing to you for having diabetes. Yes. Would

Speaker 1 16:27
come in, yes, yes. They would say, Oh, the diabetes. And I would just cry and cry. And I don't, I don't ever want him to feel like he did it to himself, or it's such a burden on me. Yeah. And from that moment, I was like, Okay, this is not gonna be hard on me. I'm not gonna let him show it. And then I have seizures, right?

Scott Benner 16:48
Yeah, you push it like, I'll hold it in, like, and your body was like, No, you won't, right? How old were you at that point? That was four years ago, and I'm 31 how old 27 Yeah, 27 There you go. Is he your first? Yes, he's my first. Okay, How long had you been married?

Speaker 1 17:07
Well, we've been married for 10 years this year. So since you were 21

Scott Benner 17:13
you had been married for like, six years at that point, and he was four. So you're married for two years. You made a baby four years later. It's telling you, I'm sorry, in a in a hospital, and you're like, Oh, this is going great. I used to live in New York. I used to be cool. I lived what happened

Speaker 1 17:27
exactly? I went from, like, New York Life to this,

Scott Benner 17:31
wow. Can I ask, like, about family background, like, now that you've had time to look at it, are there other autoimmune issues in your family on either side your husband or you. So we have

Speaker 1 17:41
a lot of thyroid disorders. My husband has Hashimotos. A lot of my cousins, my sister, my aunts have, I don't know if it's Hashimoto or not, but they have thyroid diseases, like they have some kind of disorder, whether it's overactive, underactive. My husband has a cousin, two cousins, to have type one on his side, so and then I have some type two on my side. What's your background? Me, I'm Dominican and Puerto Rican. Okay, how about him? He's Yemeni. Wow. Look at where'd you get him? That's amazing. Yeah,

Scott Benner 18:14
I know at university. Oh, you got him gone to college. Very nice. Do you miss New York

Speaker 1 18:21
a lot? I went through a year of depression when we first came Are

Scott Benner 18:25
you sure you didn't have type one diabetes? I'm just kidding. Arden went to college in Georgia, and she completed two years, and then came home and this summer said, I do not want to go back. And it wasn't just about the South, like she didn't love it in the south, but like, if that was the only issue for it would have been fine. She had a lot of other issues. I don't know that I'm like able to talk about because they're not mine, but they were a lot about the ineptitude of the school and the lack of direction she was getting. So she's pivoting and going to a different school. Now, actually, she's gonna change her major and go to a completely different place, but as soon as I took her to another place and it was more city, like, she's like, this is better. Like, just talking about the geography, she's like, this, this is better for me. And I'm like, okay, so it just wasn't for her. And I know other people, by the way, who live there and just love it. So I'm, I'm not saying you know anything, but you know, if you're used to something, if you're used to walking to things, if you're used to, you know, even the landscape, what things look like, it can be shocking to to change drastically, I would imagine, yeah, especially

Speaker 1 19:40
seeing people every day, whether they care about you or not. Just like seeing people and then going to a place where you literally don't see people unless you're in a supermarket or something like that. Like, that's a big change. You felt alone, yes, very, very, very long.

Scott Benner 19:57
And then the diabetes happen on top of all that. Yeah.

Speaker 1 19:59
Yes, and I have a really nice support so support group, like my family is so, so supportive. My son was diagnosed, and my mom retired and moved in with me. My aunt, who has type two diabetes, was like, I'm gonna come down for a week and help you. She didn't help at all, like she just sat around, talked at eight and didn't help me with she didn't help with one finger stick. I'm like, Why did you come?

Scott Benner 20:22
She's like, I could use a vacation. I'm going to your house,

Speaker 1 20:25
right? But at least, like, she came, you know? Yeah, that's

Scott Benner 20:29
funny. She didn't help at all. That was hilarious. I'm sorry. My aunt came. She didn't help. I'm like, you have type

Speaker 1 20:36
two diabetes. Like, this is where you tell me what high and low. Help me with a finger stick. Help me with something. Help me with one overnight, because we didn't have a Dexcom right away. Like, I don't know nothing.

Scott Benner 20:48
Do you think she got there and just recognized that what she knew didn't feel applicable to you?

Speaker 1 20:54
I don't know, but she didn't even really talk about diabetes where she came it was like, let me hang out with my sister. Who's my mom, you know,

Scott Benner 21:01
I see Gotcha. Yeah, let's go somewhere warm, and I'll talk to my sister for a week. I hear it Okay, never mind. I thought maybe it was diabetes related, but it's not okay. So people come down so you were, you did have some support, but they don't really know what to do, right? It's just sort of like they're there exactly.

Speaker 1 21:16
They're just there. And I'm left with this new thing that I don't know anything about. I got really, really great support from my husband's mom, so my mother in law, who has type two diabetes and she's on insulin, and she called me maybe three days after his diagnosis and gave me this huge lecture. And she kind of reminds me of you now that I've listened to you a lot, and she just said, like, nobody's gonna know his diabetes, like you, you are the master of his diabetes at this point. You have to educate yourself. You have to advocate for yourself. You have to make your own decisions change as he's changing. And you can do this like, you're going to do this day and night, day and night, day and night for the like, until he can do this on his own and you're going to be able to do this. No doctor is going to know more. No school nurse is going to know more. She said, I have type two diabetes. I'm not going to know more than his diabetes in you. And she gave me that that empowered me to go like, okay, now I need to go find what I need to know. She didn't tell me what I needed to know, but she gave me that, that power of like you you have to do this,

Scott Benner 22:30
right? What did you think initially like when you're in that hospital and you're crying and you pull yourself together and you listen to what they're saying, I guess, what did your marching orders feel like leaving the hospital, and then what did they end up actually being? That makes sense. Yeah,

Speaker 1 22:48
it was, count the carbs. Give insulin. You can give insulin after food. You can give insulin before food. It doesn't matter, and everything will be fine. Check, two hours after he eats, because he was poor at the time, and he is an eater. He's been an eater since the day that he could eat, you know. And I told my doctor that, and I guess they, you know, they just assume all kids sometimes have picky eaters or don't want to eat. So they said, just give it him insulin after. And so it was just that, just count carbs, and everything will be okay. Check the budget earlier, and then it was just like a set number of basal. It was like six units a day. And that's that I

Scott Benner 23:31
remember being told, like, these are the measurements for the thing. And then I remember the day that I realized, oh, that that's gonna change. Okay. Even I didn't even recognize that. Didn't I mean, like, I guess on some level, you get like, they're small, and when they grow they might need more, but nobody, like, generally speaking, says that to you. And so then your kid puts on a couple of pounds because they're growing, and you that that's great. And then all of a sudden you start having bad blood sugars. And, you know, just, you're like, I don't know what happened. I go, I'm doing the thing. It just stopped working. And then people say, I really should say this more now, because I just have gotten away from saying things. Because I used to feel like, Oh, I'm repeating myself, but I'm 10 years later, and some of this stuff is really important. I should keep saying it. You start with two units, they gain weight. You need more. All of a sudden, like I said, you don't know what's happening. It's not working anymore. And you default to, well, that's just diabetes. Because people say that, you go, Oh, I don't know there was a high blood sugar, and then overnight, and people go, Oh, that's just diabetes. Then you you accept that as though there's this unknowable force in diabetes, and things go wrong, and that's to be expected. And once you accept that, you stop looking for answers, and now diabetes is happening to you instead of you impacting it. And anyway, it's a phrase that really bothers me, that's just diabetes makes me it actually makes me upset. But I apologize. Go ahead, keep telling your story.

Speaker 1 24:58
I noticed. Something like, I couldn't trust those marching orders right away, because the doctor that we have, who you really love, by the way, I won't say her name like we had open access to her. We couldn't message her anytime until our three month appointment. Wait, she's been

Scott Benner 25:14
on the podcast. You could say her name, okay, Hasn't she been on? Yeah, she has. Yeah. Go ahead if you want to tell your doctor's name, go ahead.

Speaker 1 25:23
So she told me, you know, go ahead and we'll start Bolus before meals. Because I kept telling her, Well, he's high. He's 400 after meals. I realized, Wait, if she can change it from after meals to before meals, and then she can change my car ratio from this to this with one phone call. Like, I thought about my mother in law. I'm like, wait, I can do this. Like, this is like, she's guessing. She's get like, this is a guess. This is hopeful thoughts and praying for good outcomes. Like, I can have hopeful thoughts and pray for good outcomes too. And then that's when I started, because she gave me your your podcast, well, then the name of your podcast in the hospital. So I was like, Okay, I just need to listen to this thing, because she told me about it. She wouldn't tell me about it if it wasn't something good. And then that's when, like, everything changed. I started doing basal testing, even with just, like, a meter. And then I was able to go from six units a day to three units a day, and that helped a lot with the random lows and running around screaming. Okay, yeah, so let's first start.

Scott Benner 26:31
I'd like to highlight that idea for a minute that a person using man made insulin, once you realize what comes if you, if you you know you have autonomy about making decisions about dosing, like, once you figure out you don't have to go ask somebody to try something you know how to do it safely. It's an absolute game changer. It's a level up, like it really is, like, the minute you decide I don't have to wait three months to be told that I can increase the basal or that my carb ratio might not be working. That's the Fast Pass to figuring all this out. That's right, yeah, it's a big deal. Like, if you are sitting on a notebook, did you Yeah?

Speaker 1 27:16
That where I would write down, like, like a mad scientist this, did this at this hour, this hour, this hour, this meal. And I think that's where kind of the stress came from, because that was just logging everything on, like pen and paper. But it did help, because I felt the strength to be able to do it myself. I mean, we got in our three month appointment, his agency went down to 5.4

Scott Benner 27:41
okay, but you had a lot of lows in the beginning or no,

Speaker 1 27:44
we did have a lot, a lot of lows in the in the first month. Yes, yeah, and that's because of the basal and but once I fixed the basal through the basal testing, we were good.

Scott Benner 27:54
The cause and effect is so important. Like you said, you use the notebook. I don't write things down, but I quickly, well, quickly is the wrong word, because I wasn't great at this for a number of years. CGM really helped me. Like, the advent of the CGM really helped me, but I would just do that, like, I did this and then that happened. Like, what would I do for that to happen 10 minutes later, or five minutes sooner, or 20 points more in one direction, like, sounds like more or sooner or later. And I was like, oh. And then I would just keep, like, adjusting it around. And then you figure out, like, Oh, if I Pre Bolus a meal, I don't get a spike, you know. Like, okay, if you know. And then people like, Oh, don't you get low, like, before. I'm like, not if you do it right. Like, and I don't know how to explain that. I guess it's probably explained much better in the Pro Tip series, and if I dug into it right now. But it's the idea that's freeing. Like, oh, I can move this. I can try this. Like, it's not going to kill anybody. If you know the insulin to carb ratio was, I don't know, one unit covers 25 carbs, and I try to change it to 23 to see what happens. You know what I mean, like that kind of stuff,

Speaker 1 29:04
and waiting get, like, hours or days or months and weeks for a response back on that, that's useless. Yeah,

Scott Benner 29:12
you send a note even to great doctors. I'm reading between the lines, but if you live in Georgia, then I think I know who your doctor is. You don't have to say their name. But even when you have a very good endocrinologist, and that very good endocrinologist is saying to you, you should listen to a podcast like it tells you there's more to say than I can say to you in this in this visit, and you just gonna have to go immerse yourself in it for a while, until you pop up and you're like, Wow, this is I understand better now, yeah, and there's no quick answer. I've had people ask me for like, it's not as much now as it used to be. But people would say, like, well, I don't want to listen to the Pro Tip series. Just tell me what to do. And I thought, I always thought the same thing. I'm like, if I could just tell you what to do, I wouldn't have made the Pro Tip series. I would have just i. Don't know, written down the things to do. It's not it's just not that easy. Like, there's a little more to it than just tell me what to do. So you have to be invested enough, and have the time and the brain, the headspace to put yourself into it, to figure it out. Were you working at that time? Yes,

Speaker 1 30:17
yeah. I work from home, so I was working also. Were

Scott Benner 30:20
you working? Like, or were you, like, trying to figure out diabetes and, like, pushing buttons so they didn't fire you?

Speaker 1 30:25
Yeah, maybe just, like, clicking my mouse around so it'll keep me active.

Scott Benner 30:30
Remember when COVID started and there were these guys online that were, like, setting up these things that would move your mouse for you, to keep your computer awake, to make it look like you were working. I was like, Oh, my God, people are devious, but yeah. But my point is, is that whether you were in an office or at home, you were distracted and out of your mind. So, you know, it's understandable to not be able to focus and you're trying to, like, you said, hours move into days, right? Like you have a blood sugar gets crazy, and the next thing you know, you're chasing it around and it's getting high and it's getting low, and you're bouncing and ping ponging back and forth, and you don't know what you're doing. So it just keeps happening. And the entire time that's going on, there is a necessity inside of your heart and your gut telling you, I have to fix this, and yet you have no idea how to do it, and it's overwhelming, yes,

Speaker 1 31:25
and it's for your kid. Like, we all want the best for our children. Sure, it's like, how do I give that to them when you don't know what you're doing? Well, you have to educate yourself, and this podcast is the education Well,

Scott Benner 31:37
thank you. I'm glad, I'm glad it helped you. Do you remember where you started with it, and what kind of made you think, Oh, I am gonna listen to more of this. I think I just picked

Speaker 1 31:46
a random episode. I was like, holding clothes in the middle of the night because I couldn't sleep at that time. And I just picked a random episode and just listened and listened and listened until I was like, okay, like, I see I'm gathering the experiences, kind of, what I said before, like, I hear this, okay, then I stumbled across, across, I think it was the beginning of the Pro Tip series. I'm like, Okay, let me start listening to these. I think you started doing the defining diabetes at that time those. And it's just, like, gathers over time, like, so I just picked the random one, and I liked it, and I kept running. It's like, Tetris.

Scott Benner 32:23
Yeah. You know Tetris? Yes, yeah. That's how I think about the podcast. Because there's no, there's no way for me. People will say, like, why are the series not all together in the episodes? I'm like, well, that's not how it works. I can't, like, I'm not a machine. I can't turn out 25 episodes. Hold on to all of them and put them out in order. Plus, you don't understand how people listen to podcasts. If I put 25 out in row that built the series, the people who weren't interested in this series, I'd lose as listeners and like, so you put one out, you know, you work to put another one together. Back then, I used to do the editing myself. Like, so it takes time to put them out, but that's how I think about it. Like, keep listening, and you'll see a shape, and it'll fit in, and eventually you'll fill in your box, and you'll be good, you know, so

Speaker 1 33:10
and to be honest, from the beginning, I don't listen straight. I just jump around. I tried to listen from the beginning once, like, we're start from episode one, and I think I got to Episode 30, I was like, No, I can't do it like this. I want to just click and listen, click and listen,

Scott Benner 33:26
because it felt like it was going to take forever because it was older. And you're like, he wasn't as good at this as he is now. Or, like, because

Speaker 1 33:31
it felt like it was going to be like, I'm never going to reach to episode 1000 something like listening this way. I'm like, I just want I went and I also want to listen to what's current. Yeah, I don't want to wait for, like, the CEO of, you know, the the company that that makes a Fresa to I want to, I want to. I want to listen to that. Now I'm not going to wait, so I might as well just jump around and listen to what I want. My favorite

Scott Benner 33:53
way that people listen is they listen in two directions. So they'll listen to an old episode, and then listen in order, but at the same time they're listening to the new stuff. They kind of go backwards. They almost like burning a candle at both ends. They kind of listen towards the middle. I always thought that was an interesting way. I mean, listen in a perfect world, the podcast wouldn't have, I don't know it has now probably close to 1300 episodes, but, like, I get it like, you know, it's a lot. And I hear people sometimes say, like, well, there's 1000 episodes, like, what am I gonna I don't know where to start. And I always tell them to just start listening. Like, just start with this one. Start with the latest one. You know, do whatever works. You know, jump around. Who cares, do what works for you. And then hopefully you'll, you'll have the experience like you were the perfect listener to me, like the way it happened to you is great, like you heard it enough to make you think, like, Okay, I should keep listening to this, and then you find a little more, and find a little more, and eventually you get what you need. And that, that's my intention. I wish there was a better way to do it, but the way podcast apps are set up. Apps. Apple does not let you group things. If they did, I would, you know what I mean? If Apple let me, I'd you'd be able to click on a button that said defining diabetes and see all of them. But they just that's not. Most people don't build podcasts that are this. You know what you mean? You know what I mean? Like, it's usually just like, here's today's episode, here's tomorrow's episode. They're not connected to each other. It doesn't matter. You know, they're almost like a radio show. But, you know, I just happened to have like a, like a, there's like, courses in here, basically. And then I've had people say, like, Well, why don't you set up courses? And I was like, because I'm not a teacher and I'm not a doctor, like, I can't just say to you, like, this is a course that'll definitely teach you how to take care of diabetes. I have to tell you, like, I'm not a doctor, and this isn't advice, and you're just telling stories and having conversations based on what I've seen, and hopefully it's going to help you. And there's so

Speaker 1 35:53
many variables for you to teach every single person, like, there's there's too much to teach so that every person can get it right? You have to go through so many different things with them. Yes, they're different pumps. They're different insulin that, you know, the way they eat. There's just so many their activity level. Are they in school? Like, what kind of work do they do? There's too many things to teach everybody, like one person at a time. Yeah. And then people

Scott Benner 36:16
are busy, or they're fickle, and they go like, This doesn't have anything to do with me. I'm not gonna listen to this one. Okay. Well, there was something important in there. Important in there. Like, I can't, like, yeah, so I'm, I mean, the answer is, this is the best way I've figured out how to do it. So far, it seems to be working for a lot of people. So, like, right on, yeah, okay, well, that's, that's really lovely. So can I ask you a little more about the stuff that you put on your list? Yes, who has gut issues? My son okay. And did they start with diabetes?

Speaker 1 36:46
No, not at diagnosis. So he was diagnosed again at four. Around six is when we started noticing his stomach was hurting all the time. I mean, crippling stomach pain is and headaches, migraines where he wouldn't want to be out in the sun, he didn't want the lights on. I mean, a little six year old, like, crumpled in his bed crying because his head hurts and his stomach hurts, like it was really bad. And that's about the time we also notice, like, really crazy behavior, I mean, literal, jumping off the wall. You know, people use the phrase, oh, my kid is jumping off the wall. I mean, like feet on the wall, jumping from couch to wall to wall to couch. Like it was nuts.

Scott Benner 37:30
He wasn't yelling parkour in the middle. Was he? No,

Speaker 1 37:35
okay. I kind of wish he was. And then there'd be like, reason behind it, you know, it was just like crazy. And so then we did a few tests, and obviously we took him to the doctor and specialist, and he had like, he has gastritis. It turns out he still has gastritis. So to this day, his gastritis has never gone away. So he's been taking omeprazole since he was six. He has pica, so that is when you want to eat non edible items. He eats rocks, he eats paper, he eats tissue. He'll eat like candy wrappers. He'll eat cupcake liners. He'll eat lollipop sticks, like he eats things that you shouldn't eat.

Scott Benner 38:15
Is that anything you've ever seen with other family members?

Speaker 1 38:19
No, I've never even heard of this until this happened to my son. Interesting, yeah. How

Scott Benner 38:25
is this nutritional like? Does he have nutritional deficiencies? Is he have low iron or zinc, stuff like that?

Speaker 1 38:32
So we've, we've done a lot of blood tests, and nothing comes up deficient. He just enjoys, he said, he says it's satisfying. And so now I have to be very aware of, like, Hey, where's your popsicle stick? Put in the garbage, or give him a cupcake without the liner. Or, like, ask him to empty out his pockets after school to make sure, like, the school, like, like, the rocks from the playground aren't in his pocket. Or also, like, snack on them. Can

Scott Benner 38:59
I go through what I've learned? Yeah, so pica is often linked to deficiencies in minerals such as iron, zinc or other nutrients the body may trigger cravings for non food items and temp to obtain the lacking nutrients. There's also a possibility that there are psychological factors more common in individuals with mental health disorders such as obsessive compulsive disorder, autism spectrum disorder or schizophrenia. It can also occur in individuals with intellectual disabilities, cultural and societal factors. Consuming certain non food items is considered normal or holds traditional. He's not doing it for religious reasons, never mind Environmental Humanities like well, I'm going to tell you why. Let's see stress, neglect or lack of appropriate stimulation in certain environments, sounds like you're a good mom. I don't think that's probably happening. Not pregnant developmental I shouldn't have just skipped over that pregnant women sometimes develop pica, possibly due to hormonal levels, increases in nutritional needs or cultural practices more common in children, especially the. It was with developmental does? Does he have developmental delays? No, he is a very smart boy and certain medical conditions such as iron deficiency anemia or celiac. So that's what I got out of chat, G, P, t4, oh, which, by the way, is so far the bestest version. Yeah. So that's it really interesting. What do you do for that?

Speaker 1 40:21
A watch him like a hawk. Like, what's in your pocket, don't empty them. Like, just watch him. Like, and we have to, obviously, we talk to him a lot about it, like, this is not okay. It's gonna cause blockages in your intestines. Like, we've had to do multiple clean outs on him, like giving him MiraLAX and making sure his colon is cleansed, like, get

Scott Benner 40:43
a Lego out or something like that.

Speaker 1 40:44
No, thankfully he hasn't eaten Legos. It's, it's not toys he eats. It's like, it's like rocks and paper. That's what I noticed that he that he enjoys eating rocks and paper, that that's his taste.

Scott Benner 40:57
Wow. We used to chew on paper when we were kids. But I think we're just bored out of our minds, right? He's not

Speaker 1 41:04
bored like he's doing it while he's doing something else, I don't know. Sometimes I think about autism, but he's he's just so bright, and he does so well in school and, like, even if it is, like, he's just a weird, a little bit weird, it's okay, you know, do you think it's connected

Scott Benner 41:19
to his stomach issues at all? Like, what if his stomach issues are stopping him from absorbing nutrients?

Speaker 1 41:25
Yeah, I think about that all the time. Like, and I just can't get my doctors to see things together, because, like, his gastroenterologist says, Okay, well, we've looked at his stomach. He still has gastritis. He doesn't have celiac. He just needs to poop more. Oh, he's had pica taken to a therapist, you know. So

Scott Benner 41:46
they don't want to talk about anything that's not their thing. Exactly, exactly. Have you heard my episodes where we talked about art and stomach pain a lot?

Speaker 1 41:55
Yes. So we do digestive enzymes now, okay, we do have to, like, we get the capsules that have powder in them, so we can pour half of it away, because if we do the whole capsule, it gives them diarrhea, okay, but just half of it is perfect, and it does alleviate a lot of stomach pain. So like we struggled with this for a year and a half over the summer, I won't say the summer, let's say around April, we started doing the digestive enzymes, and that has helped tremendously. So, but there's still underlying pain, like, if he doesn't have the digestive enzyme, or in

Scott Benner 42:33
the as an issue, does, I can't believe, I'm gonna ask you this, does this poop come out well formed? Or is it? Yes, it does okay, it does. Does he have trouble passing it? Does he go every day? He

Speaker 1 42:45
goes almost every day, but his farts smell like death.

Scott Benner 42:52
It's not funny, but

Speaker 1 42:53
terrible. It's like we know when he's passed gas. Everybody knows. How do you guys eat? Do

Scott Benner 42:59
you eat well? Or is it real cultural maybe there's cultural issues, like with the food you're eating,

Speaker 1 43:04
we definitely eat very American food. Okay, he does. I mean, we eat Spanish food. We eat rice and beans and chicken weeds. So he doesn't eat salad, but he'll eat vegetables. He's a big vegetable and meat eater, so even when I eat rice and beans, he's eating the zucchini and chicken. And that's not because I tell him to not eat rice. He just doesn't want to eat rice.

Scott Benner 43:25
You know, we just went on, just had our first family vacation in like, six years. And my son commented, as soon as we got there. He's like, you know, all the like, little issues I have with my stomach are gone, like, he's like, and I'm looking at everything we're eating here, and it's all kind of fresh and, like, it was a lot of seafood stuff like that. He's, like, everything's great. And he said he got home the first day he was home, he ran out to deli and got a bagel with, like, an egg and bacon on it. And he's, like, an hour later, I was sick, and, you know, and don't say, Oh, he's probably, he had bread in the other place too. You know what? I mean? Like, he was like, He's 24 he's like, you know, this food is probably killing us, right? And I was like, I mean, it's hard to argue with. So have you tried, like, an elimination diet, like remove certain things, stuck with real foods to see if they alleviate his problems? Because maybe he just isn't doing well with that stuff.

Speaker 1 44:19
Well, when he was first diagnosed, we threw out all the carbs, and, like I it was very extreme, but we've gone through a lot of different styles of eating since his diagnosis, so we've tried, like, no carbs, like just meat and vegetable, and like best, not even fruit, like just minimal amounts of carbs. And I could tell he was stressed out about it, so we had to add fruit, we had to add, like, tortillas back and things like that. Like, I made my own breads. And, I mean, I think every weekend I bake, and so that way he has, like, chocolate chip muffins or whatever. And it's all from, from home, yeah, even when we go. Too, because he's lactose intolerant. I forgot to mention that when we go to birthday parties, like, I make my own pizza so he can have pizza with the other kids. Oh, that's lovely. So, like, we try to make food at home and Whole Foods, and it just doesn't, I don't see that. It helps. I'm

Scott Benner 45:19
sorry. It's very upsetting. I I've been trying to get answers like, and I, you know, I was, I don't know if I should say this or not, but like, I was working with somebody, and I, at first, I was like, Oh, I think this is going well. And then at the end, I was like, I don't think it is. But I learned a few things that I haven't talked about on the podcast yet, but just not a lot of answers in modern like modern Western medicine about gut health issues. And I wish there was, I wish there were, because even, like, what's the med? You said he was taking omeprazole? Spell it? Oh, I don't know. I probably found it, O, M, E, P, R, A, Z, O, L, E, medication commonly used to treat conditions, about stomach acid. Okay, so do they think he has reflux? Because this is the almost cursed. And if I curse, I charge myself an editing thing. This is the crap they do, like their stomach hurts. Give them a Pepsi, right?

Speaker 1 46:14
Yeah. Well, he used to complain about acid reflux, like he would describe it as it feels like there's acid coming up my throat. He

Scott Benner 46:23
did feel like that, okay? And this is stopping that. Yes,

Speaker 1 46:27
and they said it was to treat the gastritis in his stomach.

Scott Benner 46:32
I don't know if that is that, is that a real word, or is that a word gastritis? I know it's like inflammation

Unknown Speaker 46:38
of the stomach, yeah, yeah. I know

Scott Benner 46:40
it's a reward, but I'm saying, is it a thing that they get? They say that once they don't know what's going on there. Yeah, you got gastritis? Yeah,

Unknown Speaker 46:46
there's something happening there. I don't know. Have you

Scott Benner 46:49
tried balancing his gut somehow with probiotics? Or, I don't think we try probiotics. I mean, if he's got, like, an imbalance in his gut. If there's, you know, certain microbes that he has too much of or too little of, has he was he ever on a lot of antibiotics as a kid? No, no, all right? Because I was wondering if maybe, like, sometimes you get a lot of antibiotics, and it kind of kills off good bacteria, and then you can get an imbalance that way. But this is, like, this is hard to talk about because there's just not enough good science about it. Like, like, I keep wanting to have somebody on to talk about this, but everybody I bump into is like, a little, like, crunchy, you know what I mean? And you're like, I don't really know if you know what you're talking about. And like, I don't want to just have somebody on to like, you know, talk about their hippie focus, pocus. And it not be right, like I'd like them to know

Speaker 1 47:42
something. Well, I'll be waiting for that episode when it comes.

Scott Benner 47:45
Now I got the pressure of helping your kid. Jeez, now it's real. Okay, all right. Well, I'm gonna, I'm gonna try to find more information about that for the podcast. The last thing on your list that I you said you have a glucagon story. Did you have to use glucagon?

Speaker 1 47:57
Yes, actually, we even recently had a gluten gone story, even after we set this up and I wrote that message I saw just talk about the most recent one. First my son gives. Well, we've had conversations about it, and he's eight, he has been giving himself big boluses because I taught him what a super Bolus was, because I did it once. He's like, What are you doing? And I was like, I'm just gonna give a bunch of insulin right now, because you're gonna eat this really big meal, and we haven't Pre Bolus for it, and I don't want you to go high. So I'm just gonna cover the carbs, and I'm gonna cover the high that I know is gonna happen, AKA a super Bolus, which I learned on the podcast, thanks to you. And so he went on his own one day and gave himself a bunch of like, and we have it capped at a certain amount of units, because the Omnipod does that, yeah. And he just gave himself the max amount. Like, I'm gonna give this myself the max amount so I can have as many cookies as I want.

Scott Benner 48:59
Oh, he thought, if I just put enough insulin, I can just eat unobstructed. Yes,

Speaker 1 49:03
like I said, my kid likes to eat, right? And he tells me maybe, like, 30 minutes after the Bolus. He's like, Hey, Mom, have you looked at my pump? I'm like, What do you mean? He's like, Yeah, I gave myself insulin for cookies. I'm like, oh, and we have that open policy because of other experience in the past that if you want a piece of bread, Bolus for the bread. He knows, like, if you want a mini croissant, about 12 grams of carbs, Bolus for that, you can have one croissant. You don't have to wake me up at five in the morning for it. Just, you know, kind of do it. I'd rather that then you go high and not tell anybody you're eating a croissant anyway. So he tells me about this big Bolus, and I asked him, Well, did you eat the cookies then? And he's like, No, actually, I forgot. So you forgot to eat the cookies, but you remember to tell me about the Bolus. I said, Okay, I check on his phone. He gave himself seven units of insulin, which for him is a lot, right? I think it's like, I think he put in 150 grams of carbs, oh my gosh, yeah, all at one time, 30 minutes ago. And he's on FIAs, which for him, works really fast. And at this point he's, I think he was like, 90 double arrows down. I was like, Oh my God. And instead of just trying to shove carbs in his mouth, I just took the I think it's, I don't want to mispronounce it, but basking me,

Scott Benner 50:31
I think, yeah, I don't know exactly, but Yeah, something like that. That sounds about right

Speaker 1 50:36
in the nose. And we just, you know, I put it in his nose. I had him inhale it. He hated it. He said it burned like crazy. And then even after that, I still gave him another juice box, just in case. Like that didn't work. It was our first time using beskini, and then he leveled out around 70. So I can't imagine what it would have been like if we didn't use the best

Scott Benner 50:57
game. He never got high afterwards. No, he didn't get high, yeah?

Speaker 1 51:01
And we actually had to add another juice box, like, 20 minutes later, right?

Scott Benner 51:05
Wow. Because that, that insulin was gonna it was crushing him, right there.

Speaker 1 51:09
Yes, I can't imagine what it would have been without it. Like we he needed that, that group gun, the first

Scott Benner 51:15
kid ever to forget to eat cookies, yeah?

Speaker 1 51:18
But he remembered to tell me, like, it was funny. I'm like, This is not he

Scott Benner 51:22
was proud of himself a little bit, actually, wasn't he? He was like, Oh, I really took care of this cookie problem, except the part where I didn't eat the cookies. Uh,

Speaker 1 51:30
yeah. And once he felt that the burn of the best game, he was like, Mom, I'll never do this again. I'm like, Yeah, you better not. My

Scott Benner 51:37
gosh, well, I mean, there's a lot to say there, like, you've got a limit on the pump, that's great, because he could have put it even farther. And, you know, it might have, might have happened much faster. He's trying to help himself, which is wonderful. He just, he's eight. He needs more direction and a little more common sense, maybe, and he'll get that as he grows older. And exactly, yeah, did you pause? Or did you just say to yourself, like it's been a half an hour? That's a lot of insulin. I got two hours down here. I'm going right to this. Did you? Did you test with a finger stick? Even

Speaker 1 52:09
I did, I did do a finger stick, and he was with 90 double arrows down. I think he was 75 Yeah,

Scott Benner 52:15
I was gonna say it was really flying down. You probably caught it within minutes of him having a seizure?

Speaker 1 52:21
Yes, yes. So I didn't even hesitate. I was like, Oh, we're just and my husband was like, let's just give him more juice boxes. I'm like, No, so he can throw up while he's seizing on the floor. Like, no, no, we're just gonna do this thing and move on. Where'd

Scott Benner 52:36
you get the confidence for that? The podcast, I have

Unknown Speaker 52:39
so many experiences because you've heard

Scott Benner 52:41
people talk about 300 of them, three I have 1300 different experiences to draw from. Oh, wow, that's awesome. I mean, not the part about the too much insulin. It's awesome that you've felt like confident in a situation where most people freeze and spin in a circle. You know? What

Speaker 1 52:58
was it? What was it Jenny, who described her being in a house, like in a mall once, and having to give herself glucagon because she was going low while walking to the mall. And I thought of that when I gave it, I'm like, she gave herself this glucagon so she wouldn't be low while she's sitting down in a mall trying to feel better. Yeah, I

Scott Benner 53:20
remember that story. Was she pregnant? Even, no, was she had just had a baby? Maybe I don't remember she just had a baby. Yes, I do remember that story. And yeah, she's, she was out shopping, and she was, she holding the baby, and she sat herself down on the ground. And, yeah, no, I remember that story. Okay. Oh, she'll love to know that that helped you. Oh, that's great.

Speaker 1 53:42
Yes, that helped me. That I was like, okay, she did this. I got this too, and he'll be fine, you know. Oh,

Scott Benner 53:49
that's wonderful. Oh, okay, all right, we'll see. What a lovely story. Okay, let's see. I have artfully avoided using your name today, but that's, that's okay.

Speaker 1 53:57
That's neither here nor there. You have one more goo. Goo Gone story before

Scott Benner 54:01
you tell it to me, Yeah, can I remember to tell you, to tell your husband that one of my chameleons is from Yemen.

Speaker 1 54:08
Oh, really, do you know what part of Yemen? What kind of is he? The north or

Scott Benner 54:13
south? He didn't come with a driver's license, but I don't know where exactly they're from. It's a Veiled Chameleon. And they, they live in Yemen, and I think Saudi Arabia, so they come from like that region right there. Wow, that's pretty cool. Yeah, he's, she's awesome. I should know she I misgendered her. I hope she doesn't cancel Me, neither.

Speaker 1 54:35
Proud of the Yemeni heritage. He'll be so excited to hear that. Easy, really. Oh, that's great. Oh, yeah, we've definitely got new flags around.

Scott Benner 54:43
And I've spoken in the Dominican Republic about diabetes. I heard, yeah, actually, it just came up Monday for someone. I was in a family event. My nephew's girlfriend was, like, you speak places, and I, I guess when you see me out of context, and I'm not, like, doing the. Podcast, you're probably like, Wait, who? Who's looking for you. And you know, so I explained to her some of the stuff that I do. She goes, where do you do it? And I jumped around, and I was telling her different places that I've done it over the years. I said, once I did it in the Dominican Republic, and she's like, did they speak English? And I said, No, not really. I spoke through a translator. And so I explained to her how, you know all that happened. And then I told her my favorite part of my story, which is, of course, that the hotel I stayed in had a guard out front who just stood there with a shotgun. And I remember getting there and walking to the hotel and thinking, Did I make a mistake coming here? But I had a lovely time. It was really great. But yeah, there was a man with a shotgun standing outside of my hotel. And I was like, Who's he? And she's like, Oh, he's security. I was like, okay,

Unknown Speaker 55:48
very common in third world countries, yeah.

Scott Benner 55:51
I was like, okay, okay. I guess I was happy he was there, but the whole thing was lovely. But yeah, I spoke into a microphone. It went only to a woman in a soundproof booth wearing headphones. She heard what I was saying, then she spoke into her microphone, and then everyone in the crowd got it through their

Speaker 1 56:10
earphones so they didn't hear you speak. They only heard her. They

Scott Benner 56:14
heard her. But it was so interesting. It was so interesting to say something and then watch her like, because I could look her in the face, we could see each other. And so she would absorb it, and then I'd see her understand what I meant. Then she'd, you know, regurgitate it. And then there was a pause, and then I'd watch the people in the crowd get it. And it was so interesting to like, to have it slow down like that, to see it happen. And then I remember, like, 15 minutes into it, I was like, I'm gonna try to be funny, just to see if it translates, you know, so, like, I said the thing, and then I pause, and now I'm looking at the translator, thinking, like, God. And then she smiled. I was like, oh, okay, she sees the humor. And then she said the thing, and then the crowd laughed. And I was like, this is magical. Really, really interesting

Unknown Speaker 57:04
little lag. But I guess that works.

Scott Benner 57:05
Yeah, I'm telling you, though, like, there was something about the lag that just made it super interesting. I don't 100% know how to explain it. I was like, I wonder if this is gonna translate, you know what I mean? And then it

Speaker 1 57:18
did not. All things can be translated like, literally, like, like, like, if you make a phonetic joke, how does that translate?

Scott Benner 57:27
I don't know. I was like. I was fascinated by the whole thing. I really did enjoy it anyway. Go ahead, do you have another gluten story? Tell

Speaker 1 57:32
it to me. Yes. One more. I believe my son was five, and he was feeling really, really sick. I think he got the flu. He got something, a stomach bug, and he couldn't keep anything down, and he we were on the dash, so we were manual at that time. And, you know, we shut off basal. He was at a point where he was honeymooning really hard, and he was at zero, 0% basal anyway, or zero units of basal hour. And he just kept tanking, so we just, we took the DevOp pen,

Scott Benner 58:06
yeah, oh, the vial. The Gosh, what was that? The hypo pen? No. Anyway, go ahead, you used to vote, yeah,

Speaker 1 58:14
yes. We use the gun in the vial, and we just drew some up. And then I would just give him little amounts to keep him stable. And that worked. And that was that's my other non crazy glucagon story, that we use it in a totally different way. He couldn't keep any food down, but we still, you were able to use the glucagon to keep his blood sugar up while he was really sick. So you micro dose, the glucagon, yes, we didn't give the full amount. Okay, yeah, I think,

Scott Benner 58:45
because they're a sponsor, I have to say that you used it off label, and that I don't think you should do that. But I know a lot of people do that, and it's interesting. I've been talking about micro dosing glps lately with people, and it hasn't really been on the podcast yet, but I'm gonna have some more people on to talk about it. And you know, an example of, you know, the GLP medications come out in these pre measured vials, and type ones are using them off label and finding help with insulin resistance, among other things. But some of them just needed for the insulin resistance. But now they're, you know, their appetites being suppressed, and they're like, I I want to eat like I wasn't looking for that to happen. And now you're seeing people start to microdose their glps off label again. But I'm very hopeful that they will make it available for type ones in the future, so that you know, you're not limited to, like, 2.5 milligrams or 2.4 milligrams as your smaller dose. Like, wouldn't it be cool if you talk to your doctor, and your doctor was like, Look, we're just going to inject this much of it, you know. We don't need the full impact of it, you know. So I

Speaker 1 59:55
really want them to test glps with pediatrics, because I hear so many things. Things about it helping with acid reflux, yeah? Like, bound. And I'm just like, Man, I know that would help

Scott Benner 1:00:06
my kid. I'm telling you right now, I don't have acid reflux anymore because of glps, right? Yeah, and my iron level doesn't drop anymore because I'm absorbing my nutrients

Speaker 1 1:00:17
better. My sister is super iron deficient. No matter what she does, she always has to get infusions, yeah, because of her iron. And I'm just like, I don't know. I really want more testing to be done in the pediatric world with glps, because I know I'm never going to be able to get it for him at this point.

Scott Benner 1:00:36
Does your sister have any weight issues? Could she qualify for, like, we go over your zbound,

Speaker 1 1:00:43
no, she's, I mean, she, no, no, I don't think so.

Scott Benner 1:00:46
Like, that's a shame, but no, but like, I was, I was looking for, I've

Speaker 1 1:00:49
tried to, I've tried to hustle some off of my aunt that came over and did nothing. I'm still waiting for her response. Let's

Scott Benner 1:00:56
see, just to see if it helps. Like, because I'll tell you, I had reflux, like my whole life, like, to the point where I don't know how much I've talked about it, but like, I was told, you know, at my last scope, like a couple of years ago, like, I have to watch for Barretts, which is, like a precursor to, you know, esophageal cancer. And, you know, from from the reflux. But I just do not have reflux anymore, and the GOP is definitely what stopped it. Like, from my perspective,

Speaker 1 1:01:22
I'm worried about for my son, like, all the stomach problems, all the acid. I'm like, What is this? He's eight, yeah, what is this? What is this going to be like, when, when he's 40, when he's 60? I don't I don't know, so I'll let you know if I get my hands on a GOP and I do

Scott Benner 1:01:39
it, yeah, I want to hear more. I think we're going to be talking about them for years on the podcast, for a number of different reasons too. So I'm excited to see, okay, well, you were terrific. This was wonderful. Thank you so much.

Speaker 1 1:01:53
I'm so glad we talked. I'm so excited that my voice and my story and the things that I had to say get to be part of, like this, this podcast. Oh,

Scott Benner 1:02:04
thank you. I really appreciate. I mean, sincerely, it's, I've had people say at the end of their episode, like, I'll get done recording, and we'll talk for a minute or two afterwards and and they'll be like, Well, if you end up using this one, and I'm like, how many of these do you think I record and I don't use she goes, I don't know, I imagine, like, there's some I'm like, everyone I use everyone. I've had, like, a small handful of times where there's been something crazy happen and people are like, don't put that out. Or, you know, like, that's pretty much it like, it's not, it's not like I hear and I go, that one's not a good podcast. I think people coming on and telling their story. I don't know that I, or anyone else, singularly, can decide is this valuable? Because someone's going to find something in it really valuable. And that's to me, is like, just it. I I've told this story before, but I finished, and I hope the person never figures out who I'm talking about. But I finished one recording, one time. And I thought, this is horrible, like, I Oh, my God, it was so boring. I hated the conversation. I hated being involved in the conversation. No matter what I did, I couldn't find a way to make it interesting for me. And I thought, this is the one I'm gonna just I'm gonna can this one. I'm not gonna put it out, right? And then I, you know, went through the editing process, and it came back to me, and I was like, you know, what? Who am I to say? What's interesting? Like, I really, it's not that I didn't like the person. I just I was so bored, like, so bored by the conversation. And I swear to God, I put it out, and it is, it sticks out in my head as being one that I heard so many good things back through social media about, and I was like, Oh my God. Like, people love this.

Speaker 1 1:03:51
People are in people are in totally different places in their lives.

Scott Benner 1:03:54
Yeah, everyone's not me, is what it taught me, and not that I didn't know that. But like, you don't even mean like us anyway. I will not tell you which one it was, but it bores the living out of me.

Speaker 1 1:04:07
I've thought that about one or two also I'm listening. I'm like, I can't this is too slow. Next episode, I can't do it.

Scott Benner 1:04:15
Maybe that is more about it is that I have like, a pace that I speak at, and it took me. The podcast has taught me so many things, like, right? Like, it just, it's been a real value to me as well, and not just about diabetes, either. Like, I, I know for sure, if you go back far enough, I'm talking over people, which is not a thing I do anymore. It's not that I wasn't listening to them. It's like, I get excited to say something, and you like, don't know how to hold your thought because you're afraid you're going to pass it by and then it's not going to fit. But I figured out it's okay if that happens sometimes, and, you know, let people speak. I've also learned that there are times where people just don't speak very much. They want to come on, but they they don't have a lot to say. So. I feel for them. And every once in a while, I get a note back, like, he didn't let that lady talk, and I want to respond and be like, if I wouldn't have said anything, she wouldn't have said anything, like, you don't even like to listening to you. And that happens too. Sometimes, I think sometimes people come on and it they turn into a listener. They're so used to listening to the show, they're almost like waiting for me to entertain them.

Speaker 1 1:05:21
I have to remind myself, even through this conversation, I'm like, this is a discussion. Yeah, I'm not waiting

Scott Benner 1:05:28
for him to tell me something, yeah, yeah. And then I can also misinterpret that, like I can think, Oh, they're not talking a lot I need to fill when maybe what I should be thinking is like, No, tell me. Like, it's okay to talk, you know, it's been a great experience. Like, not only do I get better at diabetes for my kid and, you know, not only do I, like, get to have conversations where I'm like, wow, you're micro dosing glps. Like, tell me more about that. Like, stuff that I wouldn't have learned about just being in my house by myself, you know. But it's also taught me, I think to be a better communicator. And I don't think I was bad to begin with. And you know it, it's been, it's just been a real joy for me. So I appreciate you adding your voice to it as well. Question for you, oh, okay, sure, yeah. How does it feel

Speaker 1 1:06:14
having your diabetic daughter, having Arden out of the house and having less diabetes. I don't want to call it a burden, diabetes, tasks to do a day.

Scott Benner 1:06:28
Yeah, I mean, the flipping answer is, it's awesome, but it's not, you know what I mean? Like, I would think it's stressful. You see, I take your point about, like, what happens, like, when I put so much of my time and my life into this thing, and then one day, the kids like, I'm gonna go now. And they're just, they're gone. It is a multi tiered experience. So in the beginning you're just like, Oh, that's it. I spent she got diabetes when she was two. She's leaving for school. She's 18. I kept her alive for 16 years with diabetes, and now she's gonna die. That is how it felt at the beginning, like it's over. I just sent her off to die. Like, is how it felt. And then I was like, Oh, that's not gonna happen, you know? Like, it doesn't happen to somebody. It does, but it's not that common, and this is gonna be okay. Like, there's gonna be bumps along the way, and it's going to be scary for me and for her and for my wife, but, you know, and maybe even her new roommates, like, it becomes a bigger thing. You know, you kind of expand your your sphere a little more around it, and you're thinking, my biggest concern was what a lot of people's concerns are, which is for 16 years art and never woke up once when she had a problem, never and she, I mean, I've told stories about her eating bananas in her sleep, you know, like there's she never woke up. Alarms blaring, high blood sugars, low blood sugars. Doesn't matter. She's not she wasn't waking up. But what she told me was, is, as soon as it became hers completely, that was it. She started waking up. It was a mind shift for him. She could not even explain why she's like now, I wake up and she goes. I maybe don't sleep as soundly, I'm not sure, but I take care of myself. Now we still follow her Dexcom, and there were a handful of times in the first year of college, where we had to wake her up to take care of herself, where maybe she wasn't going to wake up in time, and she's going to get too low. But you know that all worked just like it, just like it worked in the house, right? Like, instead of up the hall, she's, you know, seven at that time, 700 miles away. So your biggest concern is like, what if she doesn't wake up when I call? And most of the time she did call, and then there's that, like, hey, and she's like, and I'm like, Arden, you're low. I need you to drink a juice. Like, okay. And then I'm like, I'm gonna stay on while you drink the juice. Just you don't have to. Then she hangs up, and I'm like, oh, like, so now you're like, I don't know if she drank the juice, so you sit up and you wait and you wait, and you're like, you're trying to give her the benefit of the doubt, but what if she was low enough that she just kind of couldn't do it? And like that, anxiety is there, and then her blood sugar starts to go back up, and you go, Oh, she did it. And then you go back to sleep. Yeah, there's a couple of times where it didn't work and I had to wake her up again. There's a couple times where the phone rang and she didn't wake up. I sent a Find My iPhone message that like, jolted her out of bed. And one time while she was at college, I had my finger on the button to call a roommate. I had it there, and I was like, I'm gonna call a roommate, and I know the cascading event that's gonna happen. Either she's really in trouble and I'm gonna about to save her, or she already took care of this. She's asleep, and I'm gonna piss her off, so I'm gonna wait as long as I can. And you're trying to keep in mind that the CGM is probably really behind real time, and she looks lower than she is, or she's lower than she you know, you're like, Huh? And just as I went to push the button, I thought, let me call her one more time, and I called her. And she woke up, and I was like, Hey, you okay, you're low. She goes, I eat gummy bears, like 10 minutes ago, I'm gonna come back up in a second. I was like, Okay, goodbye. And I hung up and literally, like that. The next reading on the CGM was like, 20 points higher,

Speaker 1 1:10:13
and same stress, but different scenarios,

Scott Benner 1:10:16
yes. So the players are different and the distances are different, but it feels exactly the same way. But as time went on and as we you know, even fine tune algorithms even better learn about like walking from this class makes me low, so I'll eat something before I walk. Like the little things that you figure out those lows become. I mean, they were already very infrequent, but you can almost make them not exist, because it's still a repeatable process. She's getting up, she's doing a thing on Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday, you kind of figure out where to, like, put your efforts to stop those things from happening. And then for that, yeah, we never had a, like, an emergency, like, oh god, she's gonna die, like, that thing that I was so frightened about never happened. Okay? So, yeah, so that's it, and but on the psychological side, it's less for me and my wife and so there's a relief for you personally, but then it's just replaced with a guilt, because you understand that that work doesn't disappear, it just transfers to her. Yeah, you know, I think

Speaker 1 1:11:24
about that with school now, like he's starting to text me for for snack times and things. I'm like, Man, he's the only kid that has to text his mom for, hey, I want to eat. Yeah. What do I need to do? Like, or, Hey, Nas, you're on the bus, you know, you need gummy bears. Okay, how many like he's he has to count the gummy bears. So I think,

Scott Benner 1:11:48
yeah, there's little things that you'd wish people didn't have to go through. But at the same time, if this was 30 years ago, he wouldn't know he was low or high, and he'd just live his life, and he'd wake up one day and be one of these stories that, you know, you hear from, like, the old heads that are like, I can't feel my toes, but that's the only thing that happened to me. And they're like, they're thrilled about it, because they're like, I thought I was gonna die, but I'm alive, but I can't feel my toes. And like, you know, like, you're like, things are much better now than they were, and they'll so much better, yeah, and they'll keep getting better. Listen, adding, I know it's not on label, but adding a GLP to Arden's life significantly reduced her need for insulin, and it significantly helped balance her blood sugars out even more. So, you know, wait a couple more years till medicine figures that out and they start prescribing that for type ones, and you're gonna see another like, significant lift in outcomes and day to day stress. It's just gonna get better and better. No, I think it really will. I mean, it's not fast enough for everybody, but it's happening. So, yeah, okay, you were terrific. Thank you for doing this, yeah, thank you for having me on Yeah. Let's see an hour and 15 minutes later, Talia, did I do it? Yes, did I do it? Thalia? Thalia, yeah, that was good. God damn right, yeah, just that's what you should remember, going away, yeah. Also, I mispronounce other people's names too, all the freaking time. It doesn't have to be a Dominican name. I'm not good at I'm not. I mean, you guys know I can't say water so

Speaker 1 1:13:21
well when we named my son, his name is NASA, I was like, nobody's gonna be able to pronounce that. It was like, the first thing I'm like, we gotta name him something that everybody can pronounce. And his name is still something complicated. NASA, so we just say NAS Oh,

Scott Benner 1:13:37
I shouldn't say people's names. My daughter has a friend whose father is Ethiopian. Her name's Nasra. Very pretty name. Oh, that's a nice name, yeah, yeah. So okay, I like when people have different I have

Speaker 1 1:13:54
another daughter. Her name is going to be Zahara, and then people are going to struggle with that

Scott Benner 1:13:58
too. Oh, I am so glad you didn't say Arden, because that would piss her off. Just so you know, if I came to her one day and said, Somebody did it, by the way, somebody who listens, named their baby. Arden, no, and they told me about it. Sent me a picture of the baby, and it was beautiful, and I showed it to Arden. She goes,

Unknown Speaker 1:14:19
babies are being named after her. So

Scott Benner 1:14:21
I can't tell you how irritated she was.

Unknown Speaker 1:14:26
I know she found that cringy. She was like, That's

Scott Benner 1:14:27
my name. And I was like, Well, now it's that baby's name too. She and I was like, you know, other people name their babies Arden, and they don't know who you are. And she goes, whatever. Are there any Scott babies? Not yet, but one of you is gonna stop letting me down and do it eventually. Maybe I don't think so. You're referring to something that I joke about on the podcast, that I'm like, and what am I gonna get a baby named after me? I get license plates. And to be honest, I think that's great. Yeah, I

Speaker 1 1:14:56
really like the license plates. I'm trying to convince myself I need one.

Scott Benner 1:14:59
I'm gonna get a juice box license plate. Yes, it would be amazing. You'll probably just get a bunch of like, young guys come up to you and think that it's about drinking. Oh,

Speaker 1 1:15:09
I didn't think about that. I hope not. Okay, all right, now you're making it easy. I'm trying to convince myself, and you're not helping.

Scott Benner 1:15:15
I'll talk you out of it. Don't worry about thank you so much. I appreciate it. I'm gonna, I'm gonna say goodbye. Now hold on one second. Okay? You Arden has been getting her diabetes supplies from us med for three years. You can as well us med.com/juice, box or call 888-721-1514, my thanks to us med for sponsoring this episode and for being longtime sponsors of the Juicebox Podcast, there are links in the show notes and links at Juicebox podcast.com to us, med and all the sponsors. Thanks for tuning in today, and thanks to Medtronic diabetes for sponsoring this episode. We've been talking about Medtronic mini med 780 G system today, an automated insulin delivery system that helps make diabetes management easier day and night. Whether it's their meal detection technology or the Medtronic extended infusion set, it all comes together to simplify life with diabetes. Go find out more at my link, Medtronic diabetes.com/juicebox Are you starting to see patterns, but you can't quite make sense of them. You're like, Oh, if I Bolus here, this happens, but I don't know what to do. Should I put in a little less, a little more? If you're starting to have those thoughts, you're starting to think this isn't going the way the doctor said it would. I think I see something here, but I can't be sure. Once you're having those thoughts, you're ready for the diabetes Pro Tip series from the Juicebox Podcast. It begins at Episode 1000 you can also find it at Juicebox podcast.com up in the menu, and you can find a list in the private Facebook group. Just check right under the featured tab at the top, it'll show you lists of a ton of stuff, including the Pro Tip series, which runs from episode 1000 to 1025 thank you so much for listening. I'll be back very soon with another episode of The Juicebox Podcast. If you're not already subscribed or following the podcast in your favorite audio app, like Spotify or Apple podcasts, please do that now. Seriously, just to hit follow or subscribe will really help the show. If you go a little further in Apple podcast and set it up so that it downloads all new episodes, I'll be your best friend, and if you leave a five star review, ooh, I'll probably send you a Christmas card. Would you like a Christmas card? The episode you just heard was professionally edited by wrong way, recording, wrong way recording.com.

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Scott Benner 0:00
Welcome back, friends. You are listening to the Juicebox Podcast.

Hey. Arden is back today. She and I almost spoke about one thing right before we pivoted and talked about social media. Please don't forget that nothing you hear on the juice box podcast should be considered advice medical or otherwise, always consult a physician before making any changes to your health care plan or becoming bold with insulin. Don't forget if you're a US resident who has type one or is the caregiver of someone with type one, visit T, 1d exchange.org/juice, box right now and complete that survey. It will take you 10 minutes to complete the survey, and that effort alone will help to move type one diabetes research forward. It will cost you nothing to help when you place your first order for ag one, with my link, you'll get five free travel packs and a free year supply of vitamin D drink. AG, one.com/juice box. If you're looking for community around type one diabetes, check out the Juicebox Podcast, private, Facebook group. Juice box podcast, type one diabetes. But everybody is welcome. Type one type two, gestational loved ones. It doesn't matter to me if you're impacted by diabetes and you're looking for support, comfort or community, check out Juicebox Podcast. Type one diabetes on Facebook. This episode of The Juicebox Podcast is sponsored by the ever since 365 that's a CGM that lasts a full year, ever since cgm.com/juice box, one year, one CGM, if you want to sleep and wear and dry yourself with things that are made responsibly, that are durable, have a commitment to quality, a superior softness, and they regulate your temperature, not too hot, not too cold. You want to check out cozy earth.com. Use my offer code Juicebox at checkout to save 40% off of your entire cart. How are you? I'm great. You're great. College, everything you hoped for. No, that's great. Okay, what is it? Mostly studying? What? What's most of your

Arden Benner 2:21
I don't want to, I don't want to get into this. Let's just move on to the topic. The topic,

Scott Benner 2:25
all right, well, I'm just going to choose the topic today. I'm not going to go back and forth with you and pretend that you're going to get involved and actually help me and etc. This is how I wish it would go every time. Well, maybe this is the new idea. I am looking here on the list, and we said that we don't understand where fat goes when you lose weight. So have you ever thought about this domino and where do you think it goes? What do you think fat is? I don't know fat. It's just fat. But what does that mean?

Arden Benner 3:05
I clearly don't know. That's why it's on the list.

Scott Benner 3:06
Okay, all right, well, let's see what we can start off, maybe by figuring out what fat is. It's adipose tissue, a type of connective tissue made up of fat cells called add up past sites. I don't know this tissue serves several issues in the body, energy storage, insulation and protection, hormone production, nutrient absorption. Now, a number of those things surprise me, like dietary fats are necessary for the absorption of fat soluble vitamins like A, D, E and K, all right, what is that going to do with what fat does hormone production? Fat tissue produces hormones like leptin, which help regulate appetite, metabolism and reproductive functions. That's interesting. I feel like we're going to get back to that insulating your body against temperature. I think that's pretty obvious. Fat stores energy in the form of triglycerides, which can be broken down and used when the body needs fuel. So triglycerides are fuel. There's white fat, brown fat and beige fat. White fat is most common, used primary for energy storage, insulation. Brown fat found more in infants and used to generate heat through a process called thermogenesis. And beige fat is a type of fat that can switch between white and brown fat properties depending on the body's needs. That's crazy. How do we do that? So that's what fat is, and what is a triglyceride? Let's find out what

Arden Benner 4:38
that is. I've heard of that. I kind of don't want to talk about this because I have to take a neuro exam tomorrow, and is going to confuse

Scott Benner 4:44
me. Yeah, do you want to pivot? I

Arden Benner 4:49
just feel like, if I'm hearing all these like scientific words, I'm gonna stop tomorrow my exam. Okay,

Scott Benner 4:56
well, listen, we could pivot and then come back to this. Find this very interesting. We could come back to it another time. Do you want to talk about something more cultural also? Wouldn't this have been great to have this conversation prior to starting?

Arden Benner 5:09
Well, I didn't know we were going to say triglyceride and we're just going to talk about fat people. You

Scott Benner 5:16
want to talk well, we were talking about, where did fat go when you lose weight? I know. But when you start talking about like, the science I like, we'll get back to it. You want to do gas lighting? We've been doing this long enough now, people probably understand how we like, like, our tone.

Arden Benner 5:29
Oh, I don't know. I'm in a bad mood today. I don't know if we should do that procrastination. I don't know. I'm in such a bad mood. I don't

Scott Benner 5:37
know, what do squirrels do, or why do squirrels exist? What do they do? What's the newer one we put on there? Why don't I see the stuff on social media in real life? Yeah, I always wonder that you wanna do that one instead? Sure. Okay, let's start with, sorry, if you guys were interested in fat, we'll pivot back to that. Don't worry.

Arden Benner 5:56
I just have a very big neuro exam tomorrow, and I don't understand anything. And half of those words like end in like, I'd everything ends in eyed. So if we start talking about triglyceride, I'm gonna actually dig my eyes out of my head. So do you want

Scott Benner 6:12
to do that one? Why don't I? Yeah, we'll do that. Okay, let's start with the most. Because you send me a lot of videos. No, I don't, not as many as you send other people, but for our relationship, like, tell people the one you just sent me this afternoon that you found hilarious. Oh,

Arden Benner 6:28
a kid slap me this newborn

Scott Benner 6:30
brother, so funny. So there's like a little boy, his dad's holding him, like under his left arm, or in his left arm. This kid's, what, two, maybe two.

Arden Benner 6:39
He looks like two years old, okay, but he's like, old enough to know right from

Scott Benner 6:44
wrong. I mean, okay, and then I don't know how smart is a two year old you want to find out? No. Okay, so the two year olds on one side the newborn, like, literally, like days old, swaddled newborn, right? And the dad's super proud. He's holding both the kids, and the mom's holding the camera, and she's like, be gentle. Be gentle. And then what happens? The

Arden Benner 7:08
toddler just slaps the kid across the face. It's great, but it's like, it's not even that he slaps the kid. It's like, the dad's reaction, that's the part you found funny. The dad's reaction, like, when he slapped the kid, I was like, that's hilarious, but when the dad reacted to it, I was just like, oh, like, Wow, that must suck. Having kids, you know,

Scott Benner 7:29
can you describe what made you laugh? His reaction, just the shock that he had just It struck because you thought it was hilarious. Yeah,

Arden Benner 7:37
it's the way the dad reacts to it. But I don't know. The point is, you don't see any of this stuff actually happen.

Scott Benner 7:43
You've never seen a little baby slap its newborn brother across the face. Like, really, it's like, Bitch slap the kid. But

Arden Benner 7:50
it's like a compilation of like, 30 videos that sort of thing happening. Or, like, every day I open my phone and I see a video of some crazy thing that has happened. Like, I don't know, someone falls on the sidewalk, or something happens like this, or there's a fight that breaks out, or some like, just something crazy, whether it's funny or mean or whatever. I don't see any of that

Scott Benner 8:10
tractor trailer tire comes off across the highway, bounces 50 feet, jumps an embankment, goes 100 more feet, runs down, a guy just flattens him, and you're like, I've never once seen anything like that in my life. Well, I don't want that to happen, but I'm just saying, like, I didn't say you wanted any of it to happen. I'm just saying you've never seen it happen. Yeah?

Arden Benner 8:31
Like, every day I get up and I take the same route to where I'm going, and I see the same people, and it's there's really nothing new that has ever happened. And even if it is something new, it's not like, internet worthy, you know what I mean. So where do all these people come

Scott Benner 8:46
from? And why is there so many of them? Because in that baby slap video that was one of, like, a multitude of different like, Baby assaults, that's

Arden Benner 8:54
what I'm saying. But also, like, you talk to people and you're like, you know, trying to get the vibe of like they've ever been in a situation where no, no one's ever been one of these situations. So where are these people? Where are they forming?

Scott Benner 9:06
Well, how much of this is because everybody's pointing a camera at something now, and do you think it's performing? Do you think even the two year olds, like

Arden Benner 9:15
basal, is this like a Am I certain conspiracy theory? Like, is the internet not real? Is it not? Well, I mean, obviously it's not. But what I'm saying is, like, Are all these videos that look like, you know, real things that are like, happening that are crazy, like, are some of them literally just like, set up by the people who own these companies, this Instagram, you know, put out these funny videos and they're just fake. But there's so many of them.

Scott Benner 9:41
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Arden Benner 12:55
Um, no, I think he's just in shorts, and they're like, pulled up because he's sitting down and there's kids on them.

Scott Benner 13:00
Okay, fair enough. That makes me feel better. Why do you like the more violent videos?

Arden Benner 13:04
Wow, this feels like a weird therapy. They're not violent. Just because someone falls and hurts themselves doesn't make it violent. Fair enough,

Scott Benner 13:12
soft where people tumble around and possibly are hurt when it's over.

Arden Benner 13:16
Because that's actually funny. It's obviously a situation that is not set up like it doesn't mean to happen. It's just, like, hilarious. Okay, you know that person, like, feels embarrassment when it's happening, especially when a camera's on them. They're like, you know, like someone tumbled, and they're like, oh my god, like, everyone just saw that, and someone's gonna put this on the internet.

Scott Benner 13:40
You're working your way through the entirety of the situation, like, that's funny, but it's also gonna have the internet. Other people are gonna laugh. Those people are gonna be embarrassed over and over again, etc. All that makes that laugh come out of you. Yeah, all right, I wanna tell you that a two year old knows between 50 and 200 words and has like, basic logic. They begin to understand cause and effect. They know that pushing a button may make a toy light up. Oh, so this kid definitely knows that if he hits somebody, it ain't gonna be fun.

Arden Benner 14:09
Yeah, I know I Yeah. I just learned about, like, language and stuff when you're like, too. Obviously, I don't know enough about it, because I didn't do all the exam. But you know, whatever,

Scott Benner 14:19
I didn't do well on the exam. So you don't know all about it, is that, what she said, apparently, awesome. I've heard other people talk about this, right? Just like, you know, there's this video, this guy's like, backing somebody into a garage, and somebody's foot slips, and instead of stopping, they like, hits the person, like, pins him against the wall. And there are some people who watch it and they're horrified by it, right? Because you don't know the ending of it. I don't know if the guy's insides popped or whatever. Like, you know, you don't know the ending of it. Some people find it hilarious, and some people find it just horrifying, because

Arden Benner 14:52
it's like, common it's like, common sense that if that man is dead, like, it's not going to be on the internet, and they're not going to post it as, like, a. Yeah, look what happened. Hahaha, there's

Scott Benner 15:01
tons of murdery stuff on the internet, though, if you want to look for it,

Arden Benner 15:05
well, I'm sure, but I'm, I don't think it's posted with, like, the intention of everyone to see it and enjoy it.

Scott Benner 15:12
Okay, right? That's for a different reason, like, that's, that's some dirt, like, dark stuff, right? That's the deep, dark web. If you got a, if you somebody sent you a video and it said, Hey, I mean, something horrible is about to happen here, like somebody's head's gonna explode or something like, Would you watch it? I

Arden Benner 15:28
mean, who sent me the video? I don't know.

Scott Benner 15:33
Is it someone I know I wouldn't watch it. Who sent me the video? Fine. It's a friend of yours. But they say to you, listen, this is, I don't know, like a tree falls and just lops this guy's head off. I wouldn't want to see it, is what I'm saying. Oh no, I'd be fine. I think I'd be fine. You'd watch it. I mean, like,

Arden Benner 15:51
if one of my friends sent it, like, I know there's no bad intention with them sending it, like they're not like a freak or whatever, but like, if it was like a random number that texted me, obviously I'm not gonna watch it. No.

Scott Benner 16:01
I mean, obviously, have you ever gotten a random text from somebody? Yeah? Do you answer or no?

Arden Benner 16:09
Obviously, okay, even a random text that you know, that you don't know the person, yeah, start a conversation, act like you are the right person. Somebody

Scott Benner 16:17
air dropped porn on my phone while I was walking through the airport once, did you accept it or decline? I had just heard the story, and so I kind of felt like I knew what was going on. I just hit decline. But that is definitely what was happening. Because you could see in the in the baggage claim, like, a lot of people went like this all at once, so they must have, like, mass dumped it onto people, and a lot of people opened it anyway. You shouldn't do that. As of 2024 there are approximately 7.2 1 billion smartphones in the world, meaning the vast majority of these devices are equipped with cameras. Okay? So nine, it says 94% of all photos taken globally are captured with smartphones. So the question is, is, when you have that many cameras, right? Like, a lot of crazy stuff is going to get caught while people are just videoing, yeah,

Arden Benner 17:11
it sucks to be anyone if you get caught in a video just just anyone doing anything nowadays, like, there might always be a camera on you, even if you're like, in the background of a video. You know what I mean, like you're just, do you think

Scott Benner 17:26
people should be able to video you without your without you saying it's okay,

Arden Benner 17:30
ooh, along, that's illegal, right? You can't do that. Can

Scott Benner 17:34
I just video someone if you're in public? I think you can do whatever you want. I'm waiting for your answer, but then I have more thought about

Arden Benner 17:41
it. I honestly, honestly in public, like, I think it's, I think it's fine, but like, someone comes up to you like, Hey, don't do that. Then just stop. I don't know. But no, people are stupid, so I don't know. Do

Scott Benner 17:56
you know the videos where people, like, they'll go to, I don't know. Like the courthouse in their town, it's public property. They'll stand outside and they'll film things until they can get, like, an official or a cop to come out and be like, Hey, what are you doing? And then they start a fight with that person on purpose. No, you've never seen a video like that cop walks up, goes, Hey, man, you know the people called from inside. They're it's freaking them out that you're out here videoing the building what's going on. And the guy responds back and goes, I don't have to tell you, this is public property and like is starts that fight on purpose. You've never seen one of those. No, this is a very common way to get views on the internet from old men, apparently, not from me. Just gonna tell you that the people who make those videos, I hope they fall on a fork multiple times where probably in the belly, it'd be nice and, like, in the leg, yeah, I don't want him to die. I just want it to be unpleasant. You're gonna say, like, up the answer or something. I find those videos upsetting. I've

Arden Benner 18:53
never seen that. No, really, I don't like you're the type of person to like. If something annoys you on the internet, you like, watch it more, and then the content feeds it to you more. And then you're like, Oh, these people are so annoying. They're so stupid. But like, if I see something on the internet I think is annoying, I just go past it.

Scott Benner 19:09
I want to say, I don't see them every day. I've seen them in the past, and I find them particularly annoying.

Arden Benner 19:13
You're more susceptible to watch something that you're annoyed by than I am. Like, what anything or like. If you find a person to be annoying, or, like, their voice to be annoying. Like, you'll watch the video longer you think so, yeah, you do that because you're because you want to complain about it. I do, like complaining, yeah, but I just, like, would be like, Oh, this really annoys me. And I just go to the next thing so I don't see it as much. So

Scott Benner 19:39
to your point about how is it possible these things are happening? I see them on social media all the time, but I don't see them in the world. I have some interesting stats here about videos uploaded to social media, starting with YouTube, around 500 hours of video are uploaded every how often. Five. 100 hours worth of video every how often? You guess two hours every minute, which totals over 700 and no sense. 720,000 hours of video a day go up on YouTube. That's YouTube now, Tik Tok. They say the exact number the video is not readily available. But it's estimated that millions of videos are uploaded daily to tick tock. That makes sense? Yeah, okay. Facebook stories like so a Facebook story, 500 million anything about Facebook video on Facebook, 500 million stories daily, many of them include videos, and more than 100 million hours of video content are watched daily on Facebook. 100 million hours worth of content are watched daily on Facebook, Instagram, 95 million posts per day. A large portion of those are videos. That's insane right now when you scroll and you do the thing, not just you, me, everybody. Do you remember it the next day? Like, if I sat you down right now and said, Arden, under penalty of death, you have to tell me all the things you saw while you were scrolling yesterday. Can you come up with five of them? Yeah, 10 of them probably. How about last week? Maybe, like, one thing I saw, then why do we do it makes us happy in the moment? Yeah, well, no, obviously you get that feedback, that dopamine feedback, right? But once you stop and step back from it, I think about this all the time. I do it sometimes, right? And when I do it, I'm like, why am I like? The entire time I'm doing it, I am like, I don't know why I'm doing this. I won't remember this in five minutes. You complain the whole time you're doing I'm complaining to myself about doing it while I'm doing in my head, not out.

Arden Benner 21:50
I know. I know that's what I'm saying. And then you do it longer, and when you you like to complain about already, you already want to complain about scrolling. And then you extra want to complain about something you don't like. So you stare at it longer. Look. You're learning a lot about yourself.

Scott Benner 22:03
I don't think most of the things I scroll are things I don't like, though, and now they are. You don't know

Arden Benner 22:09
what I'm like. I have literally been sitting next to you and you're watching a video, and you're going, I hate this. I hate this.

Scott Benner 22:19
Okay, so I'm hate watching Tik Tok. Oh, look, I'm correct. Yeah, you're a hater. There are people listening to us right now who are hate listening? I know that happens, by the way. Thank you, people. Appreciate that.

Arden Benner 22:33
I think that's so funny. Is like people I love, people who comment on other people's posts and just absolutely like, demolish them. Just hate everything about them and like, all they have to do is scroll like, and it just won't affect them anymore. But they can't. Yeah, it's just gone,

Scott Benner 22:51
and you're helping the person who you're complaining to, yeah, when

Arden Benner 22:54
you're interacting with them and, oh my god, like, such idiots. Do you remember?

Scott Benner 22:59
Even, you remember I wrote a book when you were younger, you must remember, Are you being serious? Yeah, you remember that? Okay, I'm setting it up for the people who are listening who might not know. Okay, so the book was moderately successful, like for Hey,

Arden Benner 23:14
next time, can we set it up like a brain in my head? Oh, my God,

Scott Benner 23:17
here's an example of that. Arden, when I wrote my book. How's that? Is that better? Oh, yeah, I remember that. Okay, the book was fine. Like, people who read the blog were real nice. They bought it. It was pretty high on the list on Amazon for a while. And then I realized, like, I was like, Oh, this is the end of this. Like, if I don't do some promotion for this, this just goes away. I've been writing this book for, you know, a year now and working on it, and, you know, a bunch of people bought it, and it's going to be the end of it. I'm not famous. I don't have any marketing I can do, so I kind of put myself out there for some marketing when I realized that the book publisher wasn't going to do any of that for me. By the way, for those who have not read a book or wrote a book, your publisher is generally not going to help you publicize it. So I was lucky enough to get picked up and I did a web interview with Katie Couric, which led to her having me on her TV show, which led to them putting up like a blog post. But that blog post was like on aol.com back back when it was or Yahoo News, maybe one of those, like sites when they were very popular, and it was basically just about the book and about me being a stay at home dad. So I don't even realize that this blog post goes up until one day someone calls me and says, Hey, your book is like number 50 on Amazon. Like, I don't mean like in parenting books or comedy books or lifestyle it was the 50 most popular book being purchased on Amazon. And I was like, oh my god, this is it? Like, you know what I mean, I've made it. But it turns out that's not what was happening. What was happening was you and J K Rowling, oh yeah, right. Well, what was actually happening was, is that in the comment section of this, like Yahoo article. So people were arguing about whether or not I was gay. Do you know this? No, okay, so it was me and mom. So the argument was this, look, in fairness, this was 2013 and I had been a stay at home, dad for 13 years already, but when I started being a stay at home dad in 2000 it was an incredibly uncommon thing, right? And so the argument was, either, if he's staying home with his kids, he's gay and doesn't know it, his wife is married to a gay guy and she's not sure of it, or the argument was, hey, this is a guy who's in touch and, like, comfortable taking care of his kids, and this is great, and we should, like, you know, feel good about this. Well, those two people, not two people, but those two opinions, they argued with each other non stop. And the side effect of that was people were buying the book so you can bitch and moan and argue in comments and call me like a bad podcast. Or do it really does just help me like so for every person who hears somebody go, like that, podcast sucks. There's 10 people who go, huh? I'll go check it out. So you're really doing

Arden Benner 26:10
the back and forth comments kind of sound like our 2024, presidential debate.

Scott Benner 26:14
It sounds like any debate. Honestly, I have an opinion. I think a thing, I have an opinion. I think a thing, you're wrong. You're wrong. You know, in the argument between us and them, everybody thinks they're us and everyone else is them. So they just argued. They they drove that book sales for months. It was awesome. I wish they would still be arguing about it. And

Arden Benner 26:35
what do you make now? 41 cents a year off of

Scott Benner 26:38
it. I don't make any money off that book ever like I've never got I got. I got paid initially to write it, and I never made another dollar after that. It is not a reasonable way to make money if you're not famous, if you're famous, it's different. I did get one, a one time payment to write the book. I think it was $5,000 that's all, yes, and then it took me six months to write the book. So yeah, I

Arden Benner 27:03
remember I used to get kicked out of the house for being too loud, exactly in my own living room. I was in my own living room after school, and I'd get told I was being too loud, which was crazy work. After a nice eight hours at a penitentiary, I think you mispronounced penitentiary. And wait, are you sure? I think so? How much? How did you just say it? Penetent,

Unknown Speaker 27:36
look it up. Look up.

Scott Benner 27:38
You're definitely wrong. I'm doing. I'm gonna find out how much I got paid an hour to write the book, keeping in mind, this is pre tax money. So I wrote the book. Took me six months. I worked at like a regular, 40 hour work week. I made $5.21 an hour for six months to write the book. So I could have made more money, I guess slinging fries back then

Arden Benner 28:03
probably what you can do at McDonald's. Yes, Donald Trump,

Scott Benner 28:07
we all learned that yesterday, that there's a What was our big takeaway, the people who make the french fries at McDonald's don't use their hands to put them in the boxes. Who

Arden Benner 28:15
knew? Oh yeah. He was like, you don't even touch him. He

Scott Benner 28:19
was so amused that. He was like, so not amused. He was like, isn't it great, like they don't touch the fries with their hands. And I was like, What the What were you imagining? Anyway, neither here nor there. Every day, billions of people walk around with cell phones and right? I mean, crazy things happen every day. They've got to be pointing them at something once in a while. You know what I mean, like, the fact that you haven't seen something like that is all just like, what is it my turn? Oh, you want this to happen. Oh, I want to see something happen. Oh, I am completely confused by you. Okay, so what you're saying is when, like, when am I gonna see a baby? Like, lay out another baby? Yeah. Do you think that if it happened in real life, you'd laugh?

Unknown Speaker 29:05
Yes, okay, you even mean,

Scott Benner 29:11
I don't know, like, don't you think you'd be shocked and just be like, Oh my God, no, no no, I'd start tackling it happened if one of these social media things happened in front of you and you weren't videoing it. Do you think you'd immediately be disappointed?

Arden Benner 29:26
No, I just like want to experience it. You just want to see it happen once. I feel like people my age want to go to the clubs and bars and get drunk and know like I want to see your two year old slap your newborn. Please. Please. Do for the loss of God.

Scott Benner 29:44
You tell people the new pet you're thinking would be the perfect

Arden Benner 29:47
pet. I feel like they know this a monkey. I want a monkey, a Capuchin monkey.

Scott Benner 29:51
So cute. How much video of capuchin monkeys are pushed through your face

Arden Benner 29:58
like the only thing that comes. Up on my phone, our capuchin monkeys, but they're always doing some crazy task. What do you mean? Like they're showering, or they're like, lifting weights, or they're like, smoking a joint, or, like, I don't know anything, just they're always doing something crazy. I love monkeys. They're amazing. Well, there are people getting their monkeys high. I don't think they're actually smoking a joint, but like there's a joint in their mouth. But listen, we should get one. Capuchins

Scott Benner 30:24
are highly intelligent, social animals. They need constant mental stimulation, interaction and enrichment. Without this, they can become bored, frustrated and aggressive. They live for 30 to 40 years. My god, that's longer than me. They're gonna require long term care and dedication. Daily care involves not only feeding them, but also maintaining a highly enriched environment. As they mature, they become territorial aggressive, particularly if they are not properly socialized, and if their needs aren't being met, they'll bite and be destructive. It seems like a bad idea. Capuchins carry diseases that can be transmitted to humans, like hepatitis and herpes, nothing I don't

Arden Benner 31:01
already have. Now listen, what if I brought a Capuchin monkey to class, and I just walked in and a monkey was with me? Would you say it was your, um, what would you call social support animal? Yeah, I would, no, you know what? I'd say it was a student in the class, and then I'd sit down with my monkey, and my monkey would climb around during my exams, figure out what the answers are, come back, point them for me, and we'd leave that's how it would go.

Scott Benner 31:28
Owning a monkey Capuchin is either highly regulated or illegal, depending on where you are. They have potential for harm, and you need a license and permits. There's health regulations. Also. You can't find yourself an apple. How are you going to feed this thing? Careful attention, including fresh fruits, vegetables and a balanced intake of protein, which can be challenging to provide consistently. I want one. Okay, now if you you could support one, like in an in a zoo or something.

Arden Benner 31:56
Oh, I want my own. I wanted to sit next to me, and I want to do homework together

Scott Benner 32:02
my own capuchin monkey. How? I bet it would be fun for a day or two,

Arden Benner 32:09
and he would have all his own outfits and get up every morning brush our teeth.

Scott Benner 32:14
I've asked chat, G, P, T, to offer up alternatives to capuchin monkeys. Says that you might enjoy raising rats,

Arden Benner 32:23
no ferrets, no sugar gliders. On your note, that means that's it sounds. That sounds sexual.

Scott Benner 32:31
It really does, doesn't it? Tiny, nocturnal. Marsupials are social animals that can bond closely with their owners, that need specialized care, but are much easier to handle than a monkey. Guinea pigs. Para I want a monkey. I want a monkey. Hold on, there might be something on the list. Parakeets, no cockatiels. Love Birds. You don't even know what a cockatiel is, right? I do, but I want a monkey. My friend Mike's mom had cockatiels when you're growing up. How about a turtle?

Arden Benner 32:57
I feel like I said four times that I want a monkey, bearded dragon. This is crazy. You know when Charlie and the Chocolate Factory, when veroca saw it's like, Daddy, get me that squirrel. And then he goes, and then he falls down the hole. Then she goes to get the squirrel, and she falls down the hole, and they throw nuts at her, or whatever. That's how I feel right now. Get me a Capuchin monkey. All

Scott Benner 33:20
right. This also says leopard geckos, bearded dragons, beta fish, a pre but a praying mantis.

Arden Benner 33:26
I want a Capuchin monkey. Okay,

Scott Benner 33:30
jeez, not a tarantula or a hermit crab. Oh, all right, that was the list of things that you might have enjoyed instead of a monkey. Yeah, I don't want any of them. Praying Mantis for someone who wants something truly different. Mantises are fascinating to observe. They are low maintenance, but require careful handling. Oh, my God,

Arden Benner 33:49
I'd definitely kill that thing by accident, like at least four days. Wait,

Scott Benner 33:54
I don't think you touch it. You just put it in occasion to leave it there. Well,

Arden Benner 33:57
I want to touch the animal that I'm Oh, I want to hug it. I want to hug the animal. You're

Scott Benner 34:01
definitely gonna not want a praying mantis, then, or a beta fish. I do think you might. Oh, she got a Capuchin monkey. I think you would enjoy a bearded dragon. No, I want a monkey. I also think Mom would, too. No one is listening to me. This is crazy. You're not getting a monkey out. What does, what does it cost? Like, $500 that did you really? Yeah, pardon, I see here 5000 to $10,000

Unknown Speaker 34:31
No, I saw 500 just 600 gonna

Scott Benner 34:33
cost $2,500 to set it up, about $100 a month in diet, about $1,000 a year in vet care, and you're getting at least $100 a month in like enrichment toys, plus hundreds of Wait, hundreds to 1000s of dollars for permits and licenses. Who do you think's paying for all this? Mom, now listen, we should get one. Is that really what you want to say? Like,

Arden Benner 34:57
we could be our own. Curious George.

Scott Benner 35:02
That's not a Capuchin monkey. That's a whatever. He's a monkey, isn't he climbs around. Did they call him a monkey in the show? Is he not a monkey? He's a monkey. He's not a chimpanzee. No, hold on a second. Is Curious George a chimp? Oh, he's a monkey, by the way. How old is Curious George? The story?

Arden Benner 35:29
Oh, like, how many years ago Did it come out? Yep, 2775

Scott Benner 35:33
years ago. Oh, I was off. George is a monkey. Okay, the series refers to George is a monkey, but he lacks a tail, which would indicate that he is a Barbary Macaw, macho or chimpanzee. George is probably a chimpanzee, since he is from Africa. No, he's most likely. He's most likely referred to as a monkey, so younger children can relate to him. Why would that make him more relatable? Why would they lie to me about Curious George being a monkey. That movie's good. The soundtrack is awesome. She doesn't even look like a chimpanzee. I'm just telling you what I read.

Unknown Speaker 36:10
Oh so adorable. Who's

Scott Benner 36:12
the guy on the is it Jack Johnson that wrote those songs for the Curious George movie? I have to say, conversation. Yeah. That one I well done. Jack. I don't know anything else you've done. Yeah, yes, you do. We listen to his. It's what is it his? What is it discography? What is that? What is the word discography? Is that the word? I mean, that is the word, yeah, yeah. Okay. What's the most viewed Social Media Video? Are you still looking at monkeys? You're

Arden Benner 36:42
so cute. Yeah, the most viewed social media video, when Charlie Bit My Finger,

Scott Benner 36:48
it's I'll give you three guesses. I'll see where Charlie comes up on the list. Oh,

Arden Benner 36:53
because we're talking about monkeys. Is it the Harambe video,

Scott Benner 36:58
no. Charlie Bit My Finger. Is number seven. It has so I was close. It has been viewed 120, 8 million times. Is it a music video? Baby shark dance? Are you serious? Pink Fong, Baby shark kids, songs and stories, seven, over 7 billion views. Are you serious

Arden Benner 37:22
that, like everyone who's ever watched that should feel bad. The

Scott Benner 37:25
next five are music videos. One of them, you would like, I don't

Arden Benner 37:29
know is one of them? Like shaken off by Taylor Swift? No.

Scott Benner 37:33
Number two is despacito. Oh. Almost how many views? Just about three. 4 billion. 3 billion.

Arden Benner 37:44
Wait, okay, tell me who the singer is, and I'll try to guess the

Scott Benner 37:48
the song. The next one, number three, is Wiz Khalifa. Oh, I don't know shit about Wiz Khalifa, honestly. Then he date that blonde lady that shaves her head real close for a while. I don't know who you're talking about. Okay, that's all I know about him. See you again. Okay, the next one, if I tell you the artist or the song, you're gonna know each one. So the next one is 800 million views. Psy, gang of style, Gangnam Style, that's right, right. Next one is 240, 5 million it's the beebs. Um, okay, wait, it could be a lot of different things. Is it? Baby? Yes, it's baby. Baby,

Arden Benner 38:27
oh, Justin Bieber's also in despacito, isn't he?

Scott Benner 38:30
Oh, you might be right. I think you are right. He does the bad rap in it, right? Or is that those?

Arden Benner 38:39
It's like something about the activity. I don't know. I don't speak that language.

Scott Benner 38:44
So then somebody who, like, think short lady who just ruined a movie franchise. Oh, Gaga. Hmm,

Arden Benner 38:52
what's to her videos? Follow your gut. I was gonna say poker face, but I don't think that's right. No wait, but is it featuring Beyonce? By

Scott Benner 39:00
chance is it telephone? No, it's bad romance. You didn't let me get there. Okay, that's right, we got there. The next one's Charlie Bit My Finger, which is adorable. Been seen 128 million times. Even I feel like that's not enough times. Maybe this hasn't been updated in a while, I don't know. Oh, sorry. Justin

Arden Benner 39:19
Bieber's in the despacito remix. Oh,

Scott Benner 39:22
there's a remix. They were like, You know what we should do? Make it worse. Did you want to tell people that you saw a troubling picture of Justin Bieber? You're concerned for him.

Arden Benner 39:38
I'm not. I'm sure he'll be fine. I think it'd be alright. He looks a little bit like someone who might be on a heroin Benner. But who knows? You know, not me.

Scott Benner 39:48
Since the Diddy news, since the Diddy news, I can't wait to see how that shakes out. So I'll think

Arden Benner 39:54
Beyonce while we're here today. Have you seen that joke that's like, everyone's like. Thanking Beyonce for everything. No, oh, because she's, like, behind everything too. So everyone thinks Beyonce all the time now because they

Scott Benner 40:07
don't want to get, get gotten. Yeah. So like, people,

Arden Benner 40:11
like, post a video in the comments, or, like, just wanted to take some time out of my day to think Beyonce.

Scott Benner 40:18
There's some pretty I can't wait till that all like to shake I actually have to admit, I'll pay attention to how that shakes out. You know what I mean, like a lot of big names have been mentioned, why doesn't anything exciting happen

Arden Benner 40:34
to me? They're probably I play to go to a mental institution. No

Scott Benner 40:38
kidding. So I was, yeah, you know what pops up? First, depression, substance abuse and mental health links. Oh, I didn't realize that. Yeah, it's all about depression. I was looking I'm

Arden Benner 40:51
a genius. I was looking for videos, like internet videos. You were not very you have to imagine, like a normal person saying that without any context. Why isn't anything exciting happen to me? Yeah, and you feel

Scott Benner 41:06
like, Oh, terrible. What are some of your favorite let's end with some of your favorite videos. Do you even remember any of them favorite videos? Well, the truth

Arden Benner 41:16
is that my favorite videos are edits of very attractive men from TV shows. So,

Scott Benner 41:23
like, so I don't get those when you're signing them around. That's good.

Arden Benner 41:26
You know, you can, you know, you can, like, save videos on Tik Tok, yes, all of mine are just edits. Every single I can't think of one video that's not an

Scott Benner 41:37
edit. So an edit is just what, like, like, a conglomeration of, like, video clips of of a certain guy, yeah,

Arden Benner 41:44
or, I mean, anyone doesn't have to be a guy, but I'm just saying, like, well, also, hey, here's what I have saved. You just said handsome men. Like, I don't know, but here's what I have saved. My thing, it's either edits of men, tips for taking the LSAT, makeup ideas, clothing ideas or hairstyles.

Scott Benner 42:03
Here's my DMs with you on Instagram. Please don't DM my daughter. It's a Capuchin monkey eating in a Captain America shirt. It's someone petting the face of a squirrel and the squirrel holding their finger. So they'll do it more. So funny. It's a kid dressed as Dobby. Wait you, you skipped a car crash? Yeah, I because I don't know I was gonna watch it, because I don't understand. It's just

Arden Benner 42:28
like someone banging their car into the side of another car. But someone's like, standing

Scott Benner 42:35
outside, then the old man, like, falls over, like a, like a dummy, right? Like a, like he was not a real person. Is that the one you mean? And then the cops pull up eight seconds later, like this person was and by the way, what kind of car are they driving? It's always someone in a what is it? A Subaru. It's a Camry. Okay, every problem on the street is someone in a Camry, as far as I can tell. Then, yeah, there's another driving one here that you sent me. Guy just walking across the street. Oh, God, everyone's seen that one. It was crazy. Car comes out of nowhere like sideswipes another car and goes right where the guy would have been. You sent me a thing about Taylor Swift's glitter freckles. Let

Arden Benner 43:16
me just openly say that I did not send you anything about Taylor Swift. You asked me about the woman who makes the freckle company, so I sent that photo for you.

Scott Benner 43:24
True enough, I have to put that out there. Capuchin monkey swimming. That thing that says, bro, you're an adult. Just eat the tomato. Was that directed at me? Or do you just find it was funny? No,

Arden Benner 43:35
it's directed at you because you don't eat tomatoes. Let's see. There's

Scott Benner 43:39
a picture of us together. I have here. What is this? Piano Black leather sneakers? What was that supposed to be for you? It was a sneaker company I sent you. Oh, you thought I might like those sneakers. Yeah. But all right,

Arden Benner 43:53
no one answered me. I missed it by the way. I want to just make it clear that I never get responses to these. I'm an

Scott Benner 43:59
adult. I don't talk to people through DMS. Interesting. Dr Doom, Robert Downey, Jr, what? But that's not what you're sending to other people. So like, Would you be willing to share what you send to your friends?

Arden Benner 44:12
Yeah. But did you read the tweet that says My mom is at the end of her life with Alzheimer's 99% non verbal but Coldplay just came on the radio and she looked me in the eye and said, turn it off. By the way, I love Coldplay, but he does not.

Scott Benner 44:27
My mom is at the end of life with Alzheimer's 99% non verbal. But Coldplay just came on the radio and she looked at me in the eyes and said, turn it off. I found that very funny when you said it just, you

Arden Benner 44:37
know. Okay, so like Sanj, I literally me and Sanj just send stupid videos and then edits of men to each other. That's what we're good for. Or have you seen this new trend on Tech Talk? And it's like subtle, subtle foreshadowing, and they like edit it so that, like, you're watching the beginning of the video, and then it like, jumps to the portion of the video where, like, something crazy happens, and then it goes. Back to the normal video, then it jumps back to the like, have you seen these? Like this, I don't have my sound on, but like, Oh, see what I'm saying. If it jumps to the and then I also like to watch clips of the basement yard. Yeah,

Scott Benner 45:16
you love that podcast. They're so funny. Answer this for me, these edits of of attractive men. How long are they like? How much video can you watch of like, a handsome guy, personally, or just like, No, yeah, you how long? Like, how long are the videos? Are they like? 30 seconds.

Arden Benner 45:34
I'll find you a video. I'll find you a video. Find you a good one. Okay, a good one. Sound is on and everything. I'm gonna find a good one,

Scott Benner 45:41
because I'm trying to decide what the length of the video has to be before I'm worried about you. And let me ask you this If, if I Oh, this is weird, because we're father and daughter, but like, if you knew a guy who was like, watching edits OF hot WOMEN, wouldn't you think that was creepy? No,

Arden Benner 45:56
because it's, it's not like, the edits aren't like weird. Let me say maybe I don't understand what here's like a here's like a Peter Parker. One

Scott Benner 46:05
for you. Peter park this is like a video clip from a Spider Man movie where Tom Holland is in class, and then suddenly they're out in the street saving people. And then back to

Arden Benner 46:18
you have to let him speak. You have to speak. Come on. You

Scott Benner 46:21
gotta put it on the microphone. Gonna put your speaker right on

Speaker 1 46:24
the microphone. You're great at geometry. You can do geometry. I'm pick

Scott Benner 46:33
you up next time.

Unknown Speaker 46:37
Hey, strange. You know what's cooler than magic? I don't

Scott Benner 46:41
know what I'm supposed to do with this. I'm disappointed that you watch this. You're missing it. Oh, now it's just a bunch of pictures of him as Spider Man and pictures of him without his shirt on, and then pictures of his face scrolling. Okay, first

Arden Benner 46:53
things. First, there's one photo of him without his shirt on. I would know if there was more. And second, they're just there. It's a great clip. So that's

Scott Benner 47:02
and how long does that clip like? A minute and a half,

Arden Benner 47:06
yeah. But some of them were quicker, like, you know, like this one, is

Scott Benner 47:14
that a guy from One Tree Hill? Oh, my god, yeah. Your

Arden Benner 47:18
face, you look so disappointed while I was playing that I am. But there's also some of, like, you know, things that you might appreciate more. Like, here's just like, you know,

Scott Benner 47:29
Sierra home, you know, is that the sound of music? What is that? It's just people outside running in a in a field with a mountain behind them, like these people that like, travel, okay, but, but going back to Tom Holland. How long was that video? And how many times have you watched it front to back? I don't know. It wasn't long enough. Let's say it's a minute long. How many times have you watched it over under 30? I don't know. Oh my gosh. Okay. And how many guys fit on this list? You know

Arden Benner 47:56
what the funniest video is, the repost of Thor from good boys that I have here that I cannot play because it's inappropriate. But everyone should go watch that movie. He's so funny.

Scott Benner 48:08
Oh, good boys, yeah, that's that movie where those, like young kids, like, had like 12, yeah, they head across their town with like a bag of dildos or something. What is that exactly?

Arden Benner 48:18
I think they have like, Molly on them or something, and the girls were trying to get it back, and then they have to like so it's so funny that whole show is so funny. Invited to recently, my repost have been of Jim and Pam. Jim and Pam edits from the office the office. They're normally Andrew Garfield and Emma Stone, but they've shifted a bit to Jim and Pam, or some Derek and Meredith here and there. You know what I mean. This

Scott Benner 48:44
film synopsis of good boys is not also

Arden Benner 48:49
Donald and Marianne from normal people. Okay. Anyways, you can talk now, invite, oh, sorry, I'm gonna stop you again, TC and Schmidt, Nick and Jess Seth and summer,

Scott Benner 49:02
my God, great, great, okay, oh, I have a bubble on that one. Well, he doesn't say bubble. What does he say? A Bubba, a bubba. I have a Bubba like that. You have a bubba. I have a bubble. It's like, I'm

Arden Benner 49:15
going to see my bubble tomorrow. He's like, Oh, a Bubba, I have a Bubba

Scott Benner 49:20
invited. She doesn't react. She doesn't react to it. She looks right through him. Yeah, yeah. She's like, okay, all right, listen to me invited to the his first kissing party. 12 year old Max asks his best friend Lucas and Thor for some much needed help on how to pucker up when they hit a dead end, Max decides to use his father's drone to spy on teenage girls next door. When the boys lose the drone, they skip school and hatch a plan to retrieve it before Max's dad can figure out what happened is that in any way telling me what that movie is about. I mean,

Arden Benner 49:50
that's exactly what the movie's about, but they just leave out like the crazy parts of the movie, the

Scott Benner 49:55
crazy, dirty parts of the movie, where 12 year olds are saying and doing insane things. It. Know? Yeah, I really enjoyed the movie, so please don't watch but what's

Arden Benner 50:03
that? What's that one part where he's like, that's not a good burn? No, it's a good burn. Your dad has, like, like, your dad has two DUIs and has to take the train to work. That's a good burn. And he says it to a kid who's like, 11, oh, my

Scott Benner 50:17
God. But that gives you the same joy is when the little baby slapped the kid,

Arden Benner 50:23
yeah? Cuz it's hilarious. Okay, yeah, all right, well, it's hard to argue with. Have you seen the videos of you know what hope core is? Hope core? Yeah? Hope core? No. It's like people will make videos of, like, hope, like, just hopeful things, and they'll, like, put it all together, and that's like a hope core video. So it's like speeches or something like, you know, someone getting the last shot at a basketball game, someone winning the World Series, like, whatever, and they put the videos together, and it's like specific hope core, okay, but people like make jokes about it and put that word like hope core over videos that are just not like that at all. And so there's like this new thing where people, where people were like kindness core, but it's like the least kind videos I've ever seen in my life. And a lot of them are like from Impractical Jokers. And there's this one, there's this one episode of Impractical Jokers where they have one of the guys working somewhere. He goes up and, like, flirts with some woman, and he asks her, like, what's your favorite color? She says it or whatever. And then they're like, behind the mic, and he has to say, you know, whatever the people that are telling to say says, and they're like, she's black. And he, the guy behind the mic, is like, All right, now tell, tell her what your favorite color is. And then it gets quiet, and he goes, say, mine's African American. And then they, like the guy pretends to, like, drop the bomb, and they're putting like those videos behind other words, kindness. Oh, kindness.

Scott Benner 51:55
All right. The Internet, you guys love it, practical jokers. You guys love it in a way that, like, I never would have imagined.

Arden Benner 52:03
Seriously, this is, I don't, I don't know the world without the Internet. Yeah. I mean

Scott Benner 52:07
television like, you don't watch, like, ABC, CBS, NBC, right? I mean, I see clips of it, but I don't, like, sit down to walk you don't have a TV show that you're like, oh, I have to watch. It's one eight o'clock on Sunday night, or something

Arden Benner 52:19
like that. Bob's Burgers,

Scott Benner 52:23
really interesting. Where can it possibly go from here, like, we went from, like, one hour television shows down to 30 minute television shows down to, you know, 10 minute YouTube videos and or an edit that's a disjointed bunch of pictures of Tom Holland for a minute long. Like, where does it go away after we

Arden Benner 52:41
can't focus on anything that's like, more than 30 seconds long?

Scott Benner 52:45
Yeah, yeah, our minds are, like, ruined.

Unknown Speaker 52:48
But

Scott Benner 52:50
where could it go? Isn't it gonna flip around and go back to long form? Like, isn't that what just happens? Like, things ebb and flow, right? That

Arden Benner 52:56
makes sense. But we're, we're now, like, conditioned to only watch short things, like, we're not interested in things for a long time. So I don't know how that's possible. Like, we've conditioned people to like stuff at a faster pace. What

Scott Benner 53:11
would I have to give you? What would someone have to offer you to delete, a million dollars to delete Tick, tock, Instagram, all your social media apps for a month. Honestly, nothing you would try it. I'm not going to. But like cold deleted tick tock. He never put it back on his phone. He said it made his life better. That's really inspirational. I'm just saying, Maybe you should try it. Maybe you have more time than you think. You do. I

Arden Benner 53:37
do. I'm not saying I don't have enough time. You have even more.

Scott Benner 53:41
I feel like what

Arden Benner 53:43
I need is,

Scott Benner 53:45
I don't know, are you willing to open up your screen time? Yeah,

Arden Benner 53:49
but I think my screen time is, like, unfair.

Scott Benner 53:52
How come you opening it? I have mine. I think it's been up recently. Now I use, yeah, it's been up. Okay, somehow on Monday, I used the phone more than there were hours in the day. That's

Arden Benner 54:06
what I'm saying. Like it doesn't make any sense.

Scott Benner 54:09
Doesn't make any sense. Wait, here we go. Today's Tuesday. It says I haven't been awake this long. What the hell

Arden Benner 54:20
you know why? It's because you're up at like, 12am

Scott Benner 54:22
okay, so it's counting my browser time. That's really unfair.

Arden Benner 54:27
I think that's so unfair because that's like, my, that's my winding down time when I'm going to bed. Okay,

Scott Benner 54:33
I'm gonna scroll down here to, like, break it out. So it's like Logic Pro is, like, something I edit in and something I recorded. I've recorded twice today, so I have two and a half hours worth of recording. So it has me at two hours 21 minutes of logic. Pro, so that doesn't count. Also Safari one hour and 40 minutes. I have Safari open when I'm working all the time.

Arden Benner 54:52
That's what I'm saying. Like you have things open or so it's not, it's not like a fair. But

Scott Benner 54:56
here is where I will and again, chat, G, P, T, 49 minutes. Yes, but I have been on Facebook for an hour. But that's me. That's working. I know people probably don't see that, but here's something that's not working. And I'm 53 I've used YouTube for an hour and a half today. So I'm get, I get my stuff from YouTube as well. It

Arden Benner 55:14
shows me how many times I've picked up my phone today. Oh, really,

Scott Benner 55:17
yeah, but I'm like Instagram 17 minutes, which also was for the podcast. But how many times

Arden Benner 55:24
you think I've picked up my phone today? But also, this is since 12 o'clock AM. How

Scott Benner 55:28
many times have you picked up your pickups? Well, 280 No, 5454 What are you at today? 142 today. I think that's what it says. Yeah. So Spotify eight times, music seven times, messages six times, email six times. Logic, pro five times. Safari five times, YouTube five times. Instagram three, Facebook three, tick tock, three. That was just now. Camera twice, photos twice, settings and finder.

Arden Benner 56:01
I have messages seven times, tik, Tok six times. Snapchat five times, calculator three times. Instagram, two times. Chat GPT twice, music once, settings once, camera once, Find My iPhone once, Safari once, clock once and trio once.

Scott Benner 56:17
You use chat GPT to quiz you on your notes. Did that end

Arden Benner 56:21
up working? Yeah, and I opened it this morning to quiz me while I was walking to class. It Was that helpful. Doesn't seem like it was.

Scott Benner 56:30
Why you got a B? Why did you tell the world that I gotta be 32 out of 40, right on a test stop? Why that's pretty I think that's good. That's not good. That's bad, okay, but if people want to be they could use chat GPT. You took your handwritten notes, took pictures of them, fed it into chat GPT and told it to quiz you on it,

Arden Benner 56:51
yeah. And she gave me, like, a study guide too, and I gave it that I actually think that the downfall was that the questions were worded really complex, and I thought that while I was taking it, and then I walked out of the exam, and there were two girls standing behind me. We were all waiting across the street, and she was like, talking to our friend. She was like, why were they worded like that? Like, like, she doesn't speak English. And I was like, I completely agree with that. Because Holy Is

Scott Benner 57:18
this the teacher who you think is a former addict. No, this is not bad teacher. I like, actually, you like this one? Yeah? Okay, I do think one of my teachers might have been a drug abuser, yeah, but you don't dislike her, right?

Arden Benner 57:33
I don't know her. It's a lecture I like. Have talked to her once, probably I see all right, all right. Well,

Scott Benner 57:39
I had fun talking to you. Hopefully people enjoyed listening to it. I think we it. I think we talked about social media today more than we talked about, like, How come things like that don't happen in front of you? It's because we don't know. Yeah, well, I mean, there's no way to know, but it's got, it's an odds thing, right? Like, I mean, how many times a day?

Arden Benner 57:57
But there's so many people that will post the videos, and they have, like, multiple videos posted of crazy things going on. So it also might be where you live. I could be part of it, like population density, yeah. Like bigger cities like LA and New York have more videos. Maybe

Scott Benner 58:13
I will also say this, there is a lot of fake videos online. Well,

Arden Benner 58:17
yeah, but if you think about it like this, like LA New York, probably more videos there, because it's there's more people, and they're more, like, I would say, like, outgoing people. And then I think, I'm not going to say where, but there's some places in the world, but I think, you know, actually, I'm going to stop myself.

Scott Benner 58:34
Okay, how often do you think that you see a fake video and you're confused and believe it's real. Like never. I don't like if something's fake. I just a lot of times mom shows me something. I go, Kelly, that's stage. That's not real.

Arden Benner 58:47
Yeah, mom, wow. What's not I'm trying to be nice. Okay, she's definitely

Scott Benner 58:51
gonna end up giving our money away to a scammer on the phone when we're 80, for sure, right? Yeah. Do you know I was listening today, apparently, one of the big Facebook scams is Liam Neeson. So they go after middle aged women and older, and they set them up for a long time. So apparently, first of all, there's a ton of Liam Neeson fan pages on Facebook, and the scammers pretend to be Liam. And I heard an interview with a woman today. She said, I was very successful in business as an adult, but I'm not stupid, but I got LED with my heart, and I've lost $27,000 to Liam Neeson. Scans like she thought she was sending Liam Neeson $22,000 for him to bring her to Iraq to be with him while he was filming a movie.

Arden Benner 59:42
Isn't that crazy? I can I tell you something? Go ahead. I could win a $5 coupon and not think it's real, like I have no faith. I'm gonna win anything.

Scott Benner 59:54
She thought she was gonna marry and have sex cruises.

Arden Benner 59:58
I've won. I. Cruises. So many. Yeah, so many cruises. Oh, you always

Scott Benner 1:00:03
get, like, you want to cruise, do this, like that. Yeah, I can't imagine, like, what happens to you at a certain age where you get this email that at some point in your life you would have said, This is ridiculous. Now you're like, Oh, I think that Liam Neeson wants to have sex with me. That's Liam

Arden Benner 1:00:18
Neeson. I actually it's funny that you'd brought him up because I just posted a photo of Andrew Lincoln holding that sign up from Love Actually, and it says he's defrosting.

Scott Benner 1:00:31
I have a question for anyone listening. Let's say you really love Liam Neeson, and you are a person who would enjoy a sexual encounter with him. Would you pay $22,000 of Liam Neeson? Because that's what she did?

Arden Benner 1:00:47
No, I wouldn't pay $22,000

Scott Benner 1:00:50
to do anything. Okay, but you don't have you never did my money away. You don't have any money. But I hear what you're saying. I'm just saying anyway, it's that that blew my mind. You

Arden Benner 1:01:00
could, you could put in front of me all of the men from those edits. Never, ever. Well, I give $22,000 to anyone.

Scott Benner 1:01:08
So if I said to you could have dinner and spend the weekend with Tom Holland and Zendaya and you guys would just be best friends. I don't

Arden Benner 1:01:15
want Zendaya there if Tom Holland, okay, what are we talking about? Why would I want his girlfriend there with us?

Scott Benner 1:01:22
All right, never mind. Then I don't. Maybe I don't understand completely. I mean,

Arden Benner 1:01:26
I love Zendaya, but no, thank you. Only $2,000 I'm gonna get my weekend with Tom Holland. All right.

Scott Benner 1:01:32
This is Arden telling the dumpster boys, or whoever they are, that, uh, what is the name of the basement yard, basement yarn that she'd love you respect, that employees, she'd love to be on your podcast. What would you do if you do, they ever have guests,

Arden Benner 1:01:43
they don't ever have guests. This could be That's why, if I ever could be a guest on that show, I'd screw the top of my lungs. But listen, they do, they do, like do shows, lives, yeah, like live shows, really.

Scott Benner 1:01:57
All right, yeah. So if they but I wasn't home. Would you? Would you sit there and talk and let it be recorded? Yeah, you would, don't they say something,

Arden Benner 1:02:09
they say some like crazy stuff, but they're very when they're about to say something that will get them canceled, they make sure that they pull back a little bit, they

Scott Benner 1:02:16
stop themselves. Yeah, okay, so you could have seen them at Radio City Music Hall, yeah, on October, really sold out, dad, I'm telling you, I wonder how much this cost. There's no because it's sold out. Wait, I can't seem but let me find one that's not sold out, because now I'm dying. We have, like, merchandise, all right. So they're going to be in Phil they were in Philly in May at the Met. Page not found yet. These are all in the past well, because

Arden Benner 1:02:48
I think that they film their podcast in New York, and one of them lives in Jersey, really,

Scott Benner 1:02:53
yeah, oh, wait, here's no one. Just happened in Austin, but it's over now. That's crazy good for them, but All right, I'll talk to you later.

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