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The Juicebox Podcast is from the writer of the popular diabetes parenting blog Arden's Day and the award winning parenting memoir, 'Life Is Short, Laundry Is Eternal: Confessions of a Stay-At-Home Dad'. Hosted by Scott Benner, the show features intimate conversations of living and parenting with type I diabetes.

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#895 Best of Juicebox: Switching to an Insulin Pump

Scott Benner

Originally posted on Jan 21,2021. The Juicebox Podcast: Type 1 Diabetes social media community sent their tips for switching from MDI to pumping.

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Hello friends, and welcome to episode 895 of the Juicebox Podcast

welcome back to another episode of the Best, the Juicebox Podcast. Today we're revisiting Episode 431, which originally aired on January 22 2001. This episode includes community feedback on the topic of switching from MDI to pumping. It's very informative. So if you're thinking of switching, check it out. While you're listening today, please remember that nothing you hear on the Juicebox Podcast should be considered advice, medical or otherwise, always consult a physician before making any changes to your healthcare plan or becoming bold with insulin. Are you a US resident who has type one are the caregiver of someone with type one, please go to T one D exchange.org. Forward slash juice box join the registry complete the survey. When you complete that survey, you are helping type one diabetes research to move forward right from your sofa. You also might be helping out yourself and you're supporting the podcast T one D exchange.org. Forward slash juicebox.

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okay, I've done this a couple of times and it's incredibly popular. So we're doing it again and went on to the Facebook page Juicebox Podcast type one diabetes. It's a private page where listeners can talk about whatever they want. It has well over 8000 members at this point and it's just a hotbed of discussion. And around diabetes management. So I put the question up there. For those of you who have transitioned from MDI, to pumping, please share your tips, things to look out for and remembrance. Here's what came back that I thought was very interesting. Right off the bat, Nicole says, start with what the endo suggests, but only give them 24 hours. If you've listened to all the podcast episodes, you know what to do, if you have a Dexcom Be bold. Maryann said that, initially, it was a little difficult to get over having a device attached to her, but that she eventually did. She said, you'll probably need to adjust your dosages with the team, be prepared for that. And nothing's really permanent. So if you don't like it, she's like, just send it back. She also suggested trying to create a time for the transition, that's a less stressful time in your life. Because there is a commitment involved in understanding it. I take Mary Ann's point. But I also think sometimes there's never a perfect time. So I guess, you know, figure out what would be best for you. But I would caution against waiting for the perfect time. And I would also caution against immediately wanting to give up, because it is going to be different. And if you've been doing shots for a while, and succeeding with it, you know, you might just be used to things working. And the truth is you're gonna have to start over might not just work perfectly immediately. Jen said that she switched from MDI, to pumping over 20 years ago. And all she really remembers was being terrified. She got a quick doctor's office visit tiny bit of training, they sent her home. But she called technical support a number of times the beginning. So she wants to let you know not to be afraid to ask for help when you need it. Katie says not to forget that you're no longer using a slow acting or long acting insulin like love Amir to recibo, one of those that your pump is giving you all of your insulin, it's doing your Basal insulin, as well as your meals and corrections. So if there's a problem with your pump site, you need to be aware that DKA can set in much more quickly than is likely with MDI. So if you get up in the morning, and you're, you know, MDI and you shoot your your Letelier Lantus, let's say, it's in there, it's doing something, but if you get up in the morning and put a pump on, and there's some sort of a problem with the site, and you're not getting your Basal insulin, you may not know right away. So you know, what I would do in that situation is test more frequently or pay attention to your glucose monitor if you have one. In my opinion, it's not something to be scared of, it's just something to remember, you're getting your Basal insulin from your pump. Now, Ashley said that the first few pumps that she put on just didn't go well. And she didn't realize that she could have them replaced the infusion sets or if you haven't on the pot, the pot itself, and she was just throwing them away. But if you have a failure, especially in the beginning, when you don't know what you're doing, call the company, they very well may replace your items. That would lead me to say that it is not uncommon in the first week or so of using a pump to have user error with the insertion or wearing of the pump, that it's important to, you know, keep trying get information, don't just think that the first experience you have is how this is going to be now because there are a lot of people who use insulin pumps of all different kinds very successfully all day every day. So when you're starting at the beginning, and it's not working, if it's not working, maybe look inward before you look outward is my best advice from what I've seen people talking about online all these years. Josh says that his remembrance for the beginning was that he just immediately felt more in control. And he started tweaking his Basal insulin and extending his boluses that that made him comfortable. Amy brings something up that I see a lot. They had fairly good control with MDI and then move to a pump and recognize the transition, that it's not just a flick of the wrist, and everything's okay. Again. What I would say that I notice is that sometimes doctors offices can be careful when they set up Basal insulin. I guess they think of it as careful when they set up Basal insulin for the first time. So say you've been doing MDI forever and you get 24 units a day. What I would do there is the quick math and say, Well, maybe I'm about a unit an hour then. But sometimes doctors offices are scared to send you out. dollar for dollar from the way you did it to the pump. And they kind of go without better high than low theory, and a lot of them will take back some. But if it was me, if Arden was using 24 units a day of Basal insulin, I'd start by saying Adding her Basal at one unit per hour, and I'd see what happens and make my adjustments from there. I guess the problem comes in where the doctors don't want you to touch the Basal insulin. So they set it low to show where the highs are, so they can come back in later and add insulin. Being a person, the way we are here that makes those changes on our own, I would start about where I thought, because here's what I see happen. Those ratios are kind of lost in the moment for people often. And what happens is, instead of thinking, Oh, I used to use 24 units a day MDI, and now I'm only using 19, or something like that, I'm probably not using enough Basal insulin, they think pumps don't work. So your brain makes this illogical leap that feels logical. And then you get caught in a little bit of a, you know, a shitstorm. And if you don't have a doctor's office that quickly gets back with you and makes adjustments, which a lot of them don't do sometimes, then you start blaming the pump, and you start having these feelings like oh, it was better on shots, you know, and you could lose faith pretty quickly. I've seen that happen a lot. So that is definitely something to look out for. So Mara warns that once you're on a pump, it's not a free for all of food, just because it's easy to Bolus, so you know, do your best to stay on track with how you eat. She also mentions that it's possible your insulin usage might go up, and that that's okay. I would say it's also possible that people lose track of the fact that they were taking 30 units of Basal insulin of one kind. And using, I don't know, let's say they use 20 units or 25 units of, of, you know, Novolog, fast acting insulin for meals and corrections. So in their head, they're only using like 25 or 30 units of insulin a day because people just generally don't think of Basal as insulin for some reason, they think of it when they're on MDI, like, I inject this once during the day. And then my fast acting insulin is for meals and corrections, somehow the two don't go together. To me, that might be where some of that comes in is then you move over to a pump. And instead of using 30, and 30, you're using 60 of all one insulin. And I guess I'll just say here in case people don't understand that a fast acting insulin like a nova lager humor, log art and uses a PG or there's fiasco, those kinds of insolence. Go into the pump, and you get little bits of it, you know, spaced out all day long to act as basil. And then you get more of it to act as a Bolus. So you're used to using to insulins on MDI. Going forward with a pump, you'll only be using one. Bob says have backup supplies, things will fail from time to time and you need some backup supplies. He's talking about MDI stuff, don't give away all your needles. I still have syringes from when Arden was four years old, and we still use them once in a while. Bob's 100%, right? He says and if you're using an omni pod have a paperclip around. So if a nominee so different pumps have different situations where they're going to all fail at some point, something will happen to the flow of insulin. The pump will recognize it and shut itself down for safety reasons. They all do it. When on the pod does it it beeps and sometimes the beeping doesn't stop and you have to flip it over. There's a little hole in the back and you stuck a paperclip in there, and it stops the alarm. So a paperclip is definitely something to have around. Bob. You're 100% right. I seem to remember one time when Arden was young and it happened at a baseball game we use the post of Kelly's earring to stop it. That was a desperate moment. Janelle says you're not going to learn everything in one day. It's trial and error. Pay attention to your CGM. If you have one adjust accordingly. small bumps and nudges. She says I have anxiety and was freaking out when I didn't have good numbers at first, but I had to just keep adjusting, and now she's in range 80% of the time and she's happy with her pump. Tara says that patience is key. It can take a few days or even weeks to get all the settings correct. She said they started without a Dexcom so it initially took longer for her son. Since then they've changed pumps twice with a CGM and with being bold and the transition went much faster and smoother.

What she's saying is is that when you can see the blood sugar and you feel the reading into what she's saying, but I feel like what she's saying is when you can see the blood sugar in real time and you have that faith in yourself to make changes. It will go much easier. Some of you will use pumps that offer soft cannulas or steel cannulas She said that they had great success with the steel ones. And that you can get your endo to write prescriptions for changes more frequently, if you need it to, to avoid absorption issues. And that's with any pump. Misty says it may get worse before it gets better. It takes time to dial in your settings. She's saying again, your rates from MDI will change and change again, but it's worth pushing through. And she suggests that Basal testing is definitely necessary. She found pick a timeframe at a time like I think that to start with overnight, then, you know, pick pick segments of the day to get I have to tell you, too, and I say in other parts of the podcast, I'm a fan of as few basil programs as possible. Like I don't think you're outsmarting diabetes by having like a different Basal program every hour, you know, it's point three, five at three o'clock and point four or five at four o'clock and point to like, Yeah, I think there's a balance in there you find you can find eventually, where maybe you'll have one, two, maybe three standard Basal settings throughout the day. I think if you start having more than that, there are other things you could be looking at. So let's go says start with the endo settings. But keep in mind they keep it on the safer side. I said this earlier, we give it a week to see they gave it a week to see how the body was adjusting. But she didn't want to keep things high too long. After a week, they started to make slow adjustments after talking to the Endo. And once she was confident and she understood how the body was reacting to the insulin, started making the insulin adjustments on her own. She says you can be as bold as necessary as long as you're paying attention. Joanne said what I said earlier, which is don't panic right away and just decide this is a bad idea if it doesn't go exactly right. A lot of people came in to agree with her about that. And Jessica wanted to offer that she loves using the extended Bolus features and Temp Basal is that pumping allows a different Jessica says listen to the pro tip episodes. Thank you, Jessica. Don't rely solely on your endo to make adjustments, watch the Dexcom keep track of your trends and make adjustments when it's necessary. I'm going to tell you about one of the better decisions I made last year I switched Arden's delivery of her diabetes supplies from where we were getting them to us Med and US med is more than edging out the service that we were getting from that previous company. right from the comfort of your home or office, you can join over 1 million satisfied customers who rely on us med for courteous, knowledgeable and trained customer care and their representatives are going to keep you up to date with your medical and diabetic supplies. All delivered right to your door. Us med.com forward slash juice box or call 888-721-1514 To get your free benefits check right now. US med features a litany of things that you're going to love. How about an A plus rating with the Better Business Bureau. They accept Medicare nationwide and over 800 private insurers. They carry everything from insulin pumps and diabetes testing supplies to the latest CGM like the FreeStyle Libre three, the Dexcom G six and a little bird told me the Dexcom G seven coming very soon. They always provide you with 90 days worth of supplies, and fast and free shipping. better service and better care is what you're going to get when you go to us med.com forward slash juice box on top of all of this US med is now dispensing Novolog insulin aspart and human log insulin lispro through their pharmacy benefits. What are you waiting for us med.com forward slash juice box 888721151 For us med is the number one distributor for FreeStyle Libre systems nationwide. They are the number one specialty distributor for Omni pod dash. They are the place we got our hands on the pod fives from us med provides Arden with her Dexcom supplies and are the number one fastest growing tandem distributor nationwide. I mean, I guess I could say it again. But are you just already online getting it done? Are you even listening to me anymore? Wherever you already called 888-721-1514 don't like the phone us med.com forward slash juice box. The other day I got an email from us Med and it said are you You want some more supplies? I guess it was time and I said yes. Click the button and then they just showed up. You want to do it like that. It's pretty damn easy. Us med.com forward slash juice box

when you leave the house, it's more than 20 minutes away take an insulin pen as a backup because in case you have a bad site, so I have to say we don't bring extra insulin with Arden. If we're in what I think of driving distance. Like if it's an amount of time I wouldn't care If I had to go back, if I'm going to try to spend the afternoon at someone's house for a picnic, and it's a half an hour from my house, we take extra insulin and some pumps with us. I don't bring needles, I have to admit. But her point is valid and worth considering having backups is not a bad idea. Brent makes what I think is a great point. He said that it's just the new ballgame when you start over. And this is something I find myself telling people privately as well. Well, let's see how to put this. You might be doing terrific on MDI. But what what comes with a pump, you know, maybe you just don't want injections, or you want more control over Basal insulin or something like that. Anyway, it took you a long time to figure out injections. And it's going to take you a little bit of time to figure out pumping, it is a different game. But at the same time, it's really exactly the same. It's the mechanics of the pump, the nuts and bolts, how it works that you have to get accustomed to. And while you're getting accustomed to it, you will feel like where you could feel like I should say that you don't know what you're doing, which might lead you to have that feeling like why did I do this, I knew what I was doing. And now I don't again, but trust me, it's worth the effort. If it's something you're looking for. Amy makes a great point here. She said that after you're up and running and things are working, take a step back and look at the pump data, right look at what it's doing. Especially she says if you're using an algorithm based pump, because you'll be able to see the increases and decreases in Basal when corrections go in and stuff like that. And it'll give you an insight into what's happening. Heather says that she felt like every new step was scary for her son, who was just diagnosed recently, and eight years old. They got their demo on the pod and just left it on the table for a few days until he was ready to try it on. She also figured out things about how to remove adhesive and overlay patches that help hold things on. So there's a little bit of a new world in there. Some people use patches, Arden doesn't we never put a patch on Ardens Omnipod. It stays on fine for three days. But I liked that she didn't rush here, she went out and got the on the pod demo. And just was like, alright, let's just leave it here till we're ready. It gets a good vibe. Even though this episode doesn't have a sponsor, it's a great place to say, I really do believe when I say during the app in the ads for on the pod, one of the greatest things about Omnipod is you can get a free, no obligation demo, you can actually try it on and where the other pumps just don't lend themselves to that. But on the pods tubeless nature makes that accessible to you. My on the pod.com forward slash juicebox to get that free demo. And you're helping out the podcast if you use the link. Allen's recommending the book pumping insulin which I've never read, but I've heard so many good things about I'm absolutely happy to say it here. He also wants to point out that the information that's available in doctors offices can often be lacking. And that's what led him to pumping insulin. He said back in. Let's see back in 2007. My doctor at the time told me they'd write a prescription for a pump. But if I needed help with it, I'd have to get it somewhere else. He said he appreciated the honesty but finds that a little frightening. Lauren says Keep in mind that you are probably rounding up your insulin amounts of MDI. So the same ratio on a pump might not work. So this is the exact opposite of what I was talking about earlier. But it's still really valuable to say that you might what she's saying, Laurie, I'm Lauren, I'm sorry, Lauren, I'm speaking for you here. But what I'm saying is you might have been using a unit or a half a unit because that's what you could measure with a syringe when maybe point four or point six or 1.1 was more like what you needed. Brianna says to do your research to decide what pump is right for you. She spent a long time looking at the pros and cons of all the pumps that are on the market. She says that she eventually found that her body responded differently to insulin going in through MDI and through a pump that there was a big learning curve for she had to end for 19 years and was previously on a pump years ago as a child but didn't use insulin correctly then it eventually transitioned to MDI, having been well controlled with MDI. She just thought the transition to a pump would be seamless. And it wasn't. Kristen says try not to put too much pressure on yourself when you make this switch. She found it stressful to learn to use a new piece of equipment, and says give yourself or your child some time to adjust. And you may hate it at first, but give it time. She said it can be strange to wear something on your body at first, but one day, you'll probably barely notice it. I must say that I've worn a couple of Dexcom and some Omnipod demos on my time. And I have to agree with that. I've obviously never used them for insulin or for actually taking care of diabetes. But when I've worn the things myself, I have forgotten that they were there eventually they do become pretty seamless. And that's probably hard to imagine especially for parents who are looking at their kids and thinking Oh they're so small on this thing, but I do think you just get accustomed to it. I know Arden did. Kristen continues on that for her switching to pumping was life changing, it just took time to adjust. She says as far as management goes, you already know how to use insulin and pumps to the same. This is a great point that I really want to echo. You're just delivering the insulin a different way. That's it, the basil is going in a different way. The boluses are going in a different way. Instead of pushing in a needle and pushing on a plunger, you're pushing a button, and it's going through a tube, she finishes by saying, take your time. And if you need help, come back to this Facebook group, we'll help you Kaylee's saying something that I've heard people say before, a pump is not a cure for diabetes. And while it makes life much easier with type one, or type two, I guess if you need insulin, it still sucks, you still have diabetes, it's going to be work to learn a new method for both you or if you have a child for your child, too. Don't forget to write down your settings, she said. So you're not scampering around trying to remember things. And remember that technology can fail at times. So you're going to want to not just rely on that programming to remember all your settings forever, write them down somewhere. But what she's saying is valid, that sometimes you can hear people outside of diabetes say, Oh, do you have one of those pumps, and they say it like oh, you must have if you have a pump, it's probably just super simple, right? Probably makes the whole thing go away. If you're feeling that way, like a pump is just going to make diabetes disappear. That's not going to you're still gonna have diabetes, you're still gonna need a Bolus, your meals Pre-Bolus You know, understand your settings, just the delivery of insulin is going to be different, easier, in my opinion, and you're not gonna get stuck as much, which is a big deal to me, Arden also being on the pod user, I really enjoy the fact that she does not have to take her pump off to bathe or to swim, which means we can get a nice stable Basal setting and use it 24/7 Kate just jumped in and thanked me for doing the episode and said that they've been MDI for three and a half years and the idea of pumping scares everyone in her family. And I'm, I've got to tell you, Kate, that is unfounded fear, you really don't need to be afraid you're just delivering the insulin a little differently. You get rid of the shots, and you're picking up your ability to manipulate your Basal insulin and create extended boluses. It's not scary. I know you're scared, but trust me, it's not actually scary. Christy said she wished that someone would have told her that her on the pod beeps to let you know when it's done. She was in a board meeting the first time it went off and she had no idea what to do. Christy, I would tell you that the on the pod came with a book and it would have explained all that in there. But I get your point, it would be nice if someone would just go over it real quickly with you. That's one of the great things about I don't know about other pumps, but on the pod for certain. Let you know when your reservoirs getting low, let you know when it's coming time to change it. It's good stuff. Linda says they got a pump quickly and not had and at that time had not known about the podcast. So they were very reliant on their endo team for help. She said her diabetes educator was awesome and called several times after we placed the pump. In the days and weeks that followed. They were calling to make sure everything was going good to help with adjustments. See, this is great if you've got this kind of Endo. Good knock on some wood good for you. She still says she remembers being overwhelmed at first by all the steps that it took to replace the site and being afraid that she'd forget something. That's just the I get that but that's the not knowing right? It's like you don't know what you don't know. So you're worried about everything. She has a T slim pump. She said it's user friendly, told her exactly what to do. Her biggest advice would be to just know that there will need to be adjustments made. Julia says something I've heard a lot of as well. She remembers feeling like she had just been diagnosed all over again. We kind of touched on it earlier, but it could give you that feeling. Heather says take your time. Listen to the instructions on how to change your sight. And if you're getting persistent highs, it could be that your cannulas bent or something like that happened while you were changing your infusion set. We've only ever had that once where Arden got a bent cannula. And it took a couple of hours to figure out because we were swimming and she was away from her CGM. Had she been right with her CGM. At the time we would have noticed the rise right away.

And he says I remember being in high school and pumped started really being used that her endo was all about it. Her mom really wanted her to get it and she didn't want anything to do with it. She didn't want the tubing, the pumping attached to her all the time, the newness of it. She just didn't want it. She got a two pump and had it less than a year and hated it. She'd get it caught on doorknobs drop it never had a pocket to put it in. She was in private school. She wore skirts sounds like everything was not going well. It wasn't until her sophomore or junior year of college that she got an omni pod and it was a game changer. Oh, well. Thank you, Miami bah Calm forward slash juice box. That was nice for you to say any Thank you Carmen figuring out how to adjust the Basal rates on time of day was a huge advantage. So, you know, my daughter, you guys hear me talk about all the time but Arden needs less insulin from basil overnight and she does during the day. And you have the ability to make those changes. You can say from midnight to seven, I want it to be point nine, five but from seven to, you know, midnight, I want it to be 1.2. Sara says she's a type one she's had it for 29 years, she used the pump for about 13 years got tired of it went back then di was never super comfortable with extended Bolus and stuff. But she says however, I am now trying to regain better control. And I'm about to switch back to a pump. She's got a Dexcom G six now, for about six months. She loves it and she's eager to get going with a pump again. And she's hopeful to lower her one season to the sixes Sarah, I definitely think you can do that. Christine is talking about the power of temp basals and extended boluses. There's things that I think a lot of people don't think about. I talked about them pretty extensively with Jenny in the diabetes pro tip episodes. I think these things are amazing tools that pumping offers. And please take a look at those episodes and try to figure it out. Dee says that when they started on on the pod, she had a couple of errors in the beginning. And it all seemed like a pretty big mess, but she stuck with it. Just remember Basil is not going to be right right away. And the need to make changes. It's obviously you're hearing a lot of people say the same things. It's because it's just what happens. Meghan basil testing and patience is huge, especially if you're moving to an algorithm based pump. Like the Medtronic 670 G, for example. Both of these systems should be started with the algorithm off until basil testing is complete. So if you're thinking about doing that, she's 100%. Right? If you're starting with an algorithm, you start with the algorithm not working so that you can get the basil right before you start expecting the algorithm to do something. She said juice box listeners know the importance of Basal testing. However, it seems there's not enough follow up in the transition from MDI. long acting insulin to pumping Basal rates I very much agree magnets. We do not talk about Basal insulin the right way overall. Tara says if you have a younger child, this is a good point that on the pod like ticks as it's getting ready to go in and she said it made her daughter anxious. They gave her headphones and an iPad so she wouldn't hear it. It's click click click. I have to tell you Arden has been wearing it on the pod for 13 Maybe years. And she still counts the clicks as they go in. So I hear you I think everybody within Omnipod knows about the clicking. But the clicking is it's part of the game. It's how it makes tension to put the insert. It's not important. It's just you know, tout works, but the headphones to eliminate you being able to hear the clicking smart coordinates reminding us that the pump is only as smart as the settings that are in it. She had to remind yourself that the pump was only going to do its job once she did hers. Here's a fun story from Danielle. She said my daughter was six years old when we told her how she wasn't going to have to get shots anymore because she was getting in on the pod. So she was very excited. The first time they put on the pump. The clicking and insertion scared her but they told her Don't worry because you're not going to feel it anymore. No more shots than it came time to give her her first Bolus. They explained it again no more shots that her daughter ran from the house down the street to avoid the Bolus. She said when they finally got her to calm down and gave her the insulin. Her eyes went very big and she suddenly realized no more shots. She thought she was going to feel the insertion every time she got insulin. That was the one thing they didn't think to explain to her. That's a great little piece of advice and an amusing anecdote. Sara just says please everyone share your tips so we can get this episode up. I need it for making the transition soon. Big smiley face. That's really great. People here we're waiting for insurance approval. A lot of people in the thread are just talking about we're getting a pump. Laura, I would say that the fear of making the move from MDI to pumping at least for her fear of change. Yeah, what's worked we already doing something it's working. And then she said we should have they were worried about and then she says they were worried about cost. Is this really something everyone would like? So a lot of those concerns. Okay, good. I was hoping this one came up with. Okay, good. I was hoping this one would come up. Marta says that her total Basal insulin went down, that the initial formulas for pump therapy starting with about 80% of original Basal dose had to be dramatically reduced. She went from injecting 18 units of Toujeo to 12 units on the pump. See, everyone's not the same. And I'm not saying this happened to this specific person. But you There are many people on MDI who are using way too much Basal and find themselves feeding their insulin constantly. So as long as they eat on a certain schedule, they don't notice that they're using too much Basal insulin. And it mimics really great control because you're being held low and steady. And as you try to drop you add food. I hope that makes sense. So there's a lot of different scenarios people find themselves in with their Basal. Some people don't have enough some people have too much, you know, etc. You'll find out who you are. When you change your pump. Jennifer says, if you're using a tube pump, remember that you're going to disconnect it for, you know, bathing, for example, she says, Be aware that your child may take the pump off for a shower and forget to put it back on. Of course, whether you're a child or an adult for getting to hook back up to your pump, you know, you don't have insulin, and you will be surprised how quickly your blood sugar will rise to a dangerous level without any insulin. Tommy asks for me to talk about transitioning during the honeymoon period. Tell me what I would say there is if someone's honeymooning, and they maybe don't need very much insulin or at times it feels like they don't need any for 15 or 20 minutes at a time. Your ability to shut basil down or to tamp it back is going to be amazing for you. Here I'll bring this up. Never turn your Basal insulin off, so you don't suspend your pump. When you want your Basal to go away. You always do a Temp Basal decrease, because when they end, you go back to your regular Basal rate. Suspending insulin and again, maybe forgetting to turn it back on is another quick way to get into DKA always Temp Basal never suspend. Now I hope all of you find the diabetes pro tip episodes that are here in the podcast, they begin at episode 210. With an episode called diabetes pro tip newly diagnosed we're starting over, but if you've been through them, and just want to get back to some things that might be specific to this to 19 is about insulin pumping to 26 about the perfect Bolus setting Basal insulin to 37 Pre-Bolus ng 217. These are all things that might have more stuff for you about using a pump like episode 218 Temp Basal. There's also one here about fat and protein rises, which we'll talk a little bit about using extended boluses. And that's episode 263. You can find them all in your podcast app or at diabetes pro tip.com. All right back to the list. Kyle says Don't forget to rotate your sites, that's a great one. Don't always put your pump in the same exact place. Oh, he also says you can do a Temp Basal like 0% type Temp Basal off when you first start pumping until your old injected Basal insulin get through your system and then boom, pop it right back on again. You can just sort of match them up as close as possible, so you don't have an overlap of your injected Basal insulin, and your pump Basal insulin on your first day. Eva says that for her pumping was the first time she had any concept of insulin onboard, since it was now being displayed right there on her pump and sometimes scared her away from being as bold with insulin as she was with MDI. It was only once she pushed that out of her head that she was able to add insulin when she knew she needed more. So we talked about insulin on board through the Pro Tip series, I hope you've heard them. There's a lot about how your settings get set up on your pump, your doctor chooses an amount of time that they think the insulin stays in your system. If that number is not accurate, then the pumpkin imagine that there's insulin that's still active when there's not. In other words, imagine that the pump thinks that the insulin stays in your system for four hours. But really, you use up the insulin most times in three hours. Then between that third and fourth hour. The pumps gonna still think there's insulin active in there working and say you go to have like three or four carbs. The pump might say no, you don't need any insulin. You still have some active, but he may not. It's you'll figure it out. But don't just maybe I'll do an episode of insulin on board with Jenny sometime might be a good idea.

Alright, let's see what's next. Abby says I need this episode now. very forceful IV it's coming. Carrie remembers being excited that she would not wait. I remember being excited that I would not be as lazy of a diabetic since I would not have to get all the paraphernalia out just to give myself a single shot. But I wish I had a provider that once we had all the settings in would have done the little small tests with me to really hone in the settings. Also remember that it's a tool not a savior or cure. We've gone over that you're still responsible for understanding. Absolutely true have a backup plan for are failures with your pump. It is an electronic device it could fail to and describes learning about a pump as an elephant that's charging at you. I think she's mixing her metaphors she'll join. I think you're mixing your metaphors, but I love it. I'm just starting this week. So I'm super new. But here's what I know. It's an elephant, a giant elephant that feels like it is charging you the classes and forms the logging pump. The represent the logging, the pump reps, the saline start actually starting it more logging, it feels like you'll never see the end of the tunnel, but you get there. So an elephant one bite at a time. So worth it. So where she mixed is she said I love this. You said it's like an elephant charging eight. But I think the saying is how do you eat an elephant one bite at a time, right? I'm not sure what you did there join. But I like you kid who I like what Vicki does here. She says I can wholeheartedly say it was the worst thing I've gone through in 25 years of having diabetes. Looking back, I wish I really understood all the terms in the defining diabetes series before getting a pump. I went from MDI and basically had no knowledge of carb counting. I was diagnosed in 95. And I really didn't stay up with it. So overnight, I needed to understand Basal correction factor, insulin on board, extended Bolus, etc. Also, she says work with your diabetes educator when you're setting the Basal rates, get them to teach you when you should make the changes. I was on 14 units of Lantis on MDI, my diabetes educator who I hate her fired started me on four units. Yeah, that wasn't going to work out with a pump. And would only let me increase it if she said it was okay, they need to teach you how to use the pump. I agree. And Vicki, I appreciate you bringing up the defining diabetes series. There is a series within the podcast called defining diabetes. And this is going to be a big deal for you. Because new terms are gonna pop up with a pump. If you don't know what they mean, you might as well be reading a different language when someone's explaining it to you. You need to understand the terms that you're going to be using. And I do believe just you know, I know I made them. So I might be a little bias but those defining diabetes series are an amazing way to learn a lot of things very quickly. Hey, Katie, you have a great post here. But we covered everything that you said already, but I want to thank you for it. Oh, Jennifer says I recall being nervous about my son accidentally dosing. When he first got his pump. He had an animus ping. So I learned how to lock the pump or use the second security feature that helped ease my anxiety. Apparently there was a pin number she could use. Also, I recall being thrilled that our world got bigger once parents don't have to worry about the needles. He got invited to a lot more playdates and sleepovers. People were just more comfortable with the electronics. That's an excellent point. And leads me into the idea that I'd like to bring up which is that I know the Omni pod has limits that you can set I'm sure every other pump does as well. Max Bolus Max Basal rate so that you can't by mistake want to give one unit and give 100 units is a Bolus or so you can set it wherever you want. I think Arden's Max Basil is set at like six units or seven units an hour. So I can't mistakenly type in nine or 10 or 77, or something like that. And same with her Bolus. I don't remember where it's at at the moment, but I just took the biggest Bolus I've ever made in my life added a couple of units to it and limited it at that so that somebody doesn't end up doing, you know, 175 if they mean 17, but I'm also not in a situation where if suddenly she eats something more than usual, the pumps not stopping us from giving a couple of more units than we normally do. It's a very important safety feature. Please check it out. Kelsey, you're asking a lot of good questions here in the thread. They're all covered in the diabetes pro tip episodes. Stephen says best tips I got were in my original training from a CDE, who was also a T one D. The first was about changing sites, be sure to prime the cannula and add the appropriate amount of insulin to create the puddle of insulin. So it can able so it can enable the insulin to start the absorption, breaking the clumps of insulin into single molecules so the body can use them. Steven, I'm not following you because orange never used the to pump but I trust you as a great person on this site. So I'm going to continue reading. The second grade tip was to use skin prep as a skin barrier and adhesive enhancer been using it for over 20 years. The third was to understand that the Basal rates will change and that the insulin to carb ratio will change no matter what you do. Don't take it personally, Steven, I'm gonna say I'm guessing tube pumps get air in them you have to prime them through. It's not something I understand. Because I've never used the tube pump but I do know it's important. So if you have a tube pump, make sure you understand how to prime it. If you have an omni pod, it takes care of that automatically. And what else did I want to say here? I just had a thought in my head Stephen What the hell you made me think of something and now it's gone. Oh, Tim, what about Basal rates? I got it, but you may have lost my mind yet. Basal rates are going to change. That's whether you're MDI, or you're pumping, you're gonna gain weight become more or less sedentary. There's all kinds of reasons why the amount of insulin you'll need will change, hormonal changes. It's not ever going to be set it and forget it, you're never just going to be like, Oh, my Basal rate is point seven, five an hour. I'll never think of that again. Don't think that's gonna happen. Jenna, this is brilliant. Start your first few sites around the same place on the body. For consistency. Different locations can require different Basal rates. Like for instance, Arden's thigh needs a little more insulin than Ardens arms, very good. Her belly doesn't need as much as your thighs, etc. That could be different from every for everybody. Jenna goes on to say different locations can require different Basal rates, Pre-Bolus times and just overall insulin need and action time. Personally, when doing MDI, I recognize that I have poor arm absorption and great belly absorption. Jenna has great belly absorption. If you're ever on the podcast. Yeah, that's gonna be the title of your episode. So I started putting my pods primarily on my belly for the first few months. So I could figure out how to best use my pump. And its features without adding confusion of absorption differences. That's pretty brilliant. Also a great time to read, mind you that you can't just put the pump in the same exact spot over and over again, very similar to you just can't inject over and over in the same place, you have to have a few sites and you should rotate them often. And don't forget that please. In the same vein, Arden has times of the month where she is more easy to control and less easy to control. I don't think that was English. But when I know she's going to be harder and need more insulin, I make sure that her pumps are on her sites that work better. And times when she's going to be easier. I put it on the sites that need a little more work. So it's not that drastic, but it is significant enough to mention that you should be paying attention to it. Okay, well, that's it. I appreciate everyone jumping in the thread and leaving their thoughts remembered his and tips of switching from MDI, to pumping. I remember the time personally as not that confusing or different because I was pretty bad with MDI. So I didn't notice if I was bad at it would pop, just just move one show from this side of the room to that side of the room. You know what I mean? I can say now looking back with hindsight that everything that everyone mentioned here is well worth understanding. But in the end, you're changing insulin delivery systems, you're eliminating using two different insolence, you're using just one fast acting insulin that's being dispersed by the pump, both for basil and Bolus. You need to know the terms of the pump stuff, because otherwise you're like, I don't understand what a Temp Basal is. You learn that kind of stuff, you learn what a cannula is, that kind of thing. You start figuring out what spots on the body work better, which spots need a little more insulin, get that Basal insulin, right? Don't sit and stare at it, especially especially just do the math. If you were using 10 units a day, and now all of a sudden you're using five units a day of Basal insulin. And you're like, Oh, the blood sugar is always high. Please don't say pumps don't work. Think, why are we not using all the Basal insulin we used to? That's just such a big thing.

Just I just see it so much with people. And here's one last tip from me. When you're wearing an insulin pump, and you think this site might be bad for whatever reason, and you're pumping in insulin, you're not seeing anything happen, and you're not sure if the site's bad. Or if you just have a high blood sugar and you're not using enough insulin. Making an injection, as a correction will bypass the pump, right? So if you inject in that scenario, and your blood sugar starts to move down pretty quickly, that's a good way to figure out that the site might be bad. You say makes sense, Scott, but what I think of it in the moment, you probably would not just why I've mentioned it here. Anyway, I hope you enjoyed this. I really want to thank the people on the private Facebook group for the podcast. It's called Juicebox Podcast, type one diabetes, I hope to see you there. And that's it. They don't forget the T one D exchange. If you can go to T one D exchange.org. Forward slash juicebox. And get involved in the registry. You'll be helping people with type one diabetes, a huge amount you'll be helping the show. That by the way is for US residents who have type one diabetes or US residents who are the caregivers for someone who has type one diabetes, and because we talk so much about it. I know there are plenty of other pumps. But of course the on the pod is a sponsor of the show, and they offer a free, no obligation demo it will be sent right to your house and you can actually try it on My Omni pod.com forward slash juicebox. There's still links in the show notes, and links at juicebox podcast.com. I forgot to mention that the defining diabetes episodes are of course available, they're spread throughout the podcast. But if you go to diabetes pro tip.com, and scroll to the bottom of the page, there's, they're all there. So you can find them that way, if you just want to find out what number they are, and then listen to them in your player or you can listen to them right on the website. I really appreciate you listening. I'll be back soon with more episodes of The Juicebox Podcast.

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#890 Best of Juicebox: Dexcom Calibration Practices

Scott Benner

Originally aired on Sept 4, 2020. Jenny, Scott and the members of the Juicebox Podcast Facebook group compare their calibration ideas. Come along as we compare the Dexcom calibration practices of many people living with type 1 diabetes.

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Scott Benner 0:00
Hello friends and welcome to episode 890 of the Juicebox Podcast

Welcome back everyone to the best of the Juicebox Podcast series. Today we're going to revisit episode 375 Dexcom calibration practices. This episode originally aired on September 4 2020. And it features Jenny Smith and I talking about when we calibrate our Dexcom G sixes. It's still something I see people ask every day. So here it is. While you're listening today, please remember that nothing you hear on the Juicebox Podcast should be considered advice, medical or otherwise, always consult a physician before making any changes to your health care plan or becoming bold with insulin. Are you a US resident who has type one or the caregiver of someone with type one, please go to T one D exchange.org. Forward slash juicebox. Join the registry complete the survey. When you complete that survey. You are helping type one diabetes research to move forward right from your sofa. You also might be helping out yourself and you're supporting the podcast T one D exchange.org. Forward slash juicebox.

This episode of the podcast is sponsored by cozy earth. Now you can get 35% off your entire order at cozy earth.com Just by using the offer code juice box at checkout. I am wearing cozy Earth joggers and a sweatshirt right now these joggers are like the best and our sheets are super duper super, super cool. And silky and soft. Also from cozy Earth. Cozy earth.com use the offer code juice box to save 35% My daughter Arden began wearing the Omni pod tubeless insulin pump on February 4 2009. That was 5093 days ago. Were another way to think of it 1697 pods ago. At that time she was four years old. Hang out with me for a moment while I tell you more about the Omni pod Omni pod.com forward slash juice box. Today Arden is 18 and still wearing Omni pod back then there was one choice just one pod but today you have a decision to make. Do you want the Omni pod five, the first and only tubeless automated insulin delivery system to integrate with the Dexcom G six because if you do, it's available right now for people with type one diabetes ages two years and older. The Omni pod five is an algorithm based pump that features smart adjust technology. That means that the Omni pod five is adjusting insulin delivery based on your customized target glucose that's helping you to protect against high and low blood sugars, both day and night. Automatically. Both the Omni pod five and the Omni pod dash are waterproof, you can wear them while you're playing sports swimming in the shower, the bathtub, anywhere really. That kind of freedom. Coupled with tubeless a tubeless pump, you understand it's not connected to anything. The controller is not connected to the pod, the pod is not connected to anything, you're wearing it on the body tube lessly no tubing to get caught on doorknobs or anywhere else that tubing with those other insulin pumps can get caught Omni pod.com forward slash juice box that's where you go to find out more, you may be eligible for a free 30 day trial of the Omni pod dash. You should check that out too, when you get to my link Omni pod.com forward slash juicebox. So if you're looking for an insulin pump that is tubeless waterproof, and automated. You're looking for the Omni pod five, if you want to do it on your own, or you're not looking for the automation, Omni pod dash for full safety risk information and free trial Terms and Conditions. Please also visit omnipod.com forward slash juicebox.

fellow friends and welcome to episode 375 of the Juicebox Podcast. On today's show, Jenny Smith and I will discuss different ideas around calibrating continuous glucose monitors. My perspective of course will come from the Dexcom G six because that's what Arden uses. Jenny also wears the G six but she has worn the Medtronic CGM and many of you have added your thoughts to this episode through the private Facebook group. For the podcast I asked this quite Question Hey, calibrating your CGM, yes or no. And we got a lot of answers. They're all woven into this episode. At the end, I will read directly to you from Dex coms website. And of course while you're listening, I'd love it. If you'd remember that nothing you hear on the Juicebox Podcast should be considered advice, medical or otherwise, please Always consult a physician before making changes to your health care plan. We're becoming bold with insulin. I also took a few minutes from the conversation while Jenny was setting up her microphone and everything and she was admitting to not being able to do something around her house and I put it at the end of the episode so you can enjoy it. Jenny is delightful. You want to know something else about Jenny. You can hire her just go to integrated diabetes.com. Jenny Smith has been living with type one diabetes for 31 years. She holds a bachelor's degree in Human Nutrition and biology from the University of Wisconsin. She is a registered and licensed dietitian, a certified diabetes educator and certified trainer on most makes and models of insulin pumps, and continuous glucose monitors. She is also a very good friend of the podcast. So check her out. And while you're looking, check out the Contour Next One blood glucose meter go to contour next one.com Ford slash juice box to find what I believe to be the greatest blood glucose meter available. Second Chance test strips. Super bright light for nighttime viewing. It fits easily in your hand, but doesn't slip away. Well, if that makes sense or not. But it's easy to hold. You don't drop it. I like the shape. I like how portable it is. I can find it in a bag at night without the lights on. I've never told you that before but it's easy to find in a bag. And it's testing ability is just first class. Contour next.com forward slash juice box are the links in your show notes are the ones available at juicebox podcast.com. If you have time I'd also loved if you check out touched by type one.org and T one D exchange.org. Ford slash juice box touched by type one is my favorite diabetes organization. And T one D exchange. They're doing research to help people living with type one diabetes. And every one of you that completes the research. You just need to be from the United States have type one diabetes, or be the guardian or parent of someone with type one diabetes. Anyway, when you finish the research, the podcast gets a little help you don't I mean a little cha ching, and you're helping people live better with type one diabetes. It's a great organization 100% HIPAA compliant, absolutely anonymous. You can take your information out at any time, just tell them look, I don't want to be a part of this anymore. If you want to write so there's no pressure, you'll never have to go to a doctor's office never have to go to a testing site. And once a year, they'll ask you a couple of questions to keep your information updated. And your answers help shape type one diabetes care. It's pretty cool. Being Arden's parent, I was able to fill out the survey, it took me less than 10 minutes. And I did not find any of the questions to be like I was I was never like, oh god, why they asked me that was all very pretty simple actually. was easy to do. I think we're going to record an episode today that has the opportunity to be very controversial. Oh, great, but not in a way that I think I don't think it's gonna get us in too much trouble. So I this is gonna sound crazy, right? But I want to talk about how you manage your G six. As far as calibrating we're not calibrating it goes. And I asked online and got 77 replies. I just said to people

Jennifer Smith, CDE 8:53
and are all they are they're all different.

Scott Benner 8:55
Oh my god, all of them are so different. So it says I said Dexcom calibration thread share what works for you. And I did say your tips may be used in an upcoming episode of the podcast. So first, I guess we'll talk about what we do and then we'll dig through all of this now for clarity right that I mean Dexcom you know their I guess their public statement is that the Dexcom G six does not need to be calibrated.

Jennifer Smith, CDE 9:25
It doesn't need to be unless it's unless the system asks for a calibration Okay, in my year and a half of use of G six now I've I think I've seen it asked for a calibration maybe twice on its own like you know, like a this is not right or I think one of them might have been you're not right I'm gonna give you a calibration then the system was like no, no, no, no, no. I'm going to ask for calibration again in like 30 minutes or something. I think what kind of did that Yeah, technically G six isn't supposed to require a calibration through the whole 10 days of life, right? Unless it requests

Scott Benner 10:09
one. Okay. All right. So there's a whole bunch of information on the website about it. I'll probably read it at the end, just so that it's in here. By the way, keep in mind, I did not tell Dexcom I was making this, I don't do that. So I didn't, I wasn't like, we're gonna do a calibration episode. It's just something people talk about all the time. And every time someone talks about it, it's like religion or politics. Do you know what I mean? Like, someone will come in and say, well, here's what I do. And 30 people be like, that's wrong. Don't do that. I was like, wow, everyone has such feelings about this, you know? Yes. So obviously, I think whatever works for you is what works for you. But Jenny, do you do you have like a, like a way like, when you start a new sensors, or a thing you do?

Jennifer Smith, CDE 10:55
You just start a new sensor. I pop it in, I expect. It's funny. I, I see a lot of people you know, work with a lot of people are like, it always kind of like you just said it is always low for a one hour for five hours, six hours after I started up, I know that it's just going to read me low. And whatever. I'm kind of, I think I'm sort of odd in that. Sometimes when it gets going. It is spot on. And I always do a finger stick because I always want to verify where it is. That's just my habit. Yeah. Sometimes it stays completely reliable. From the get go. It's great, right? Sometimes it's a little bit off. But then as it kind of keeps going. It gets right on with a finger stick. Yeah. And sometimes it has that weird. Low. The fun thing about that low is, it always seems to be if I have to change the sensor at night. It's gonna be low. And then I'm gonna be fighting the annoying alerts. All night

Scott Benner 12:08
long. All right. Okay. So is the time that I can relate to what you're saying. I might take a detour for a second here. But before I do your, uh, your your spotty on your end. You plugged in the Ethernet, right?

Jennifer Smith, CDE 12:22
I did plug it in. Yeah. All right.

Scott Benner 12:24
Make that mic a little closer to you, please. So I better i Yes, I do think that. What's that old cartoon with a round head? And do you know what I mean? It's like, if something's gonna go wrong, it will and it's attributed. How is it possible? I can't remember Murphy's Law. Okay, was it a cartoon?

Jennifer Smith, CDE 12:46
cartoon? I think it's actually, I don't know that it's necessarily a is maybe it is a cartoon. I don't know. What am I kidding? No, no, it's like rule of thumb.

Scott Benner 12:55
My thinking of I think I may have had a mini stroke just now because I don't think there's any cartoon associated with Murphy's Law. Okay, let's get away from that thought. I

Jennifer Smith, CDE 13:04
think that this might also be the issue between my voice. I, well, it came with the mic. And I always try to be very protective of the mics. I always put the little Styrofoam thing she's

Scott Benner 13:20
talking Styrofoam between the microphone and her mouth when you throw that out. Please. No wonder you can't change that light bulb. Everything you said about the light bulbs thing in the episode now just

so yeah, so I said at the beginning, but just to reiterate, Arden CGM is usually go on. And then they read perfectly. And then sometime in the first hour, it just decides that she's low, like, you know, way lower than she is. And if you let it ride out, it comes back up. Now

Jennifer Smith, CDE 13:56
hit a particular time. Do you have like a defined time that usually

Scott Benner 14:00
Yeah, I think in like, if I don't see it in like three or four hours, then here I go. I calibrate it. If it's not that now I don't calibrate low to 90. Right. So we'll talk about that. Like you can confuse the CGM. If the reality is, if the reality is too far from where the CGM thinks it is. Right? You can't calibrate it because it just goes does not compute and you know it, you fry its mind. And it takes forever for it to come back from that. But know if she's, if she's 100. And for clarity, too, I think this makes sense to say obviously, we're using the Contour Next One blood glucose meter. If you have like an old Genki blood glucose meter, you know, the G six is probably way more reliable than your old meter is right but I'm very comfortable that this meter is is pretty spot on. And so if the meter tells me she's 100 But it says she's 60 Well, then that's too far apart, obviously. And so I'll calibrate it, but I'll tell it like she's 75 and kind of coax it up, and then test her again a little while later and coax it the rest of the way. So that's one of the ways I sort of, if it's too far apart, I calibrate but I don't you have no

Jennifer Smith, CDE 15:25
timeframe to calibration, coaxing kind of way, like you said, and if it gets up to par quicker, you probably don't calibrate again, or at all it does. Then you'll calibrate again. But that's not like a defined time period after that initial coaxing.

Scott Benner 15:43
Yeah, yeah, I don't have like, I don't have like a magic number to it, like, like everyone else does. Like, here's a person who said, over 50 Points off, I wait an hour for blood sugars to stabilize. And if it's still off, I pull it and get a replacement. Well, that seems aggressive. And I wouldn't do that. Because last night, like I said, Arden's sensor went on. Around seven, came online, around nine was great. Said she was low, around 10. She was in the shower, but I don't think that has anything to do with it. She gets out. It's wrong for a while. And then it just is right again. And then it just shuts off for like, two hours. It's what last night was that was last night was an uncommon occurrence for us, we don't usually lose a signal during it. But as it came back on, I calibrated it probably two times overnight. And then it's now it's it's beautiful. Like if I use this person's theory, I would have pulled it off. And I knew not to pull it off less than I was like, No, this one's going to come around. Right? You know, and it did. Tina says that I calibrate if it's way off after warm up. But only if it's a stable arrow. I didn't do it once and waited for it to catch up and that sensor ended up being not good. So there's so much anecdotal conversation in this thread. Everybody knows, I bet you if Dexcom was here, they would just tell you like, Don't calibrate it. It'll it'll figure it out. Right? But what do you do when it doesn't figure it out?

Jennifer Smith, CDE 17:29
Yeah, that's when people get frustrated like this. They're like, well, it's clearly not doing what I want it to do. I haven't calibrated so either I'm just frustrated enough to pull it off and start a new one up. Or they calibrate and then they calibrate and then they calibrate and then calibrate and you know, I think Dexcom in the first 24 hours tells you not to calibrate leave it alone, the system should write itself after that. If the system is off compared to finger stick, then if your glucose is less than 70, you can calibrate if there's more than a 30% difference between finger stick and CGM. If your glucose is more than 70, and finger stick to CGM is off by more than 30 points, then you can calibrate. Okay, so those are the rules of thumb that at least used to be a piece for Dexcom in terms of when they would say, okay, it's okay. Now to go ahead and calibrate. Yes, the system technically doesn't require them. But if it's this much off, you could calibrate because clearly, it's not keeping you where your finger sticks are. And again, I you know, the fact of using an accurate blood glucose monitor. That's huge. That's huge.

Scott Benner 18:52
You definitely can't use an old technology. Now. There's a Listen, I'll make this argument all day long. If you've got a 10 year old meter, and you've got a Dexcom G six, you trust the Dexcom G six, not the meter, and you don't tell the Dexcom who might really know that your blood sugar is 90 that Oh, no, no, it's not it's 120 This old busted up meter I have here says so you know, because then then you're then you're literally telling the CGM what you're really 120 and it's going no, we're not. We're 90. And that causes confusion. You know, the next person in here. So Stacy goes. Don't calibrate. Install the sensor. When the BG is most stable, like right before bed, stay hydrated. Learn what the trends are for you or your child because everyone is different. Thanks again for the pakoda it's not about that. But so her explanation is she doesn't like to put on a new sensor in a time of blood sugar turmoil, correct up or down or anything like that. Is that also something that helps do you think

Jennifer Smith, CDE 19:54
I would expect that it would help? Yes, I mean, I don't. My personal Do I pay attention to that? No. I mean, when my sensor dies, I replace it and I started up. But it for those who do have more issue with sensor accuracy from the get go, it could be a very good rule of thumb because it used to be, I mean eons ago, when sensors first came out, that was the rule with the calibrations, make sure that you have a stable horizontal line or a horizontal arrow. Or there's there's not a very large rate of change happening, so that the system can kind of get on par with what it's sensing in a more stable setting.

Scott Benner 20:38
That to me makes sense. Because if you're rising quickly, and at the moment, you're 71, and you tell the thing, you're 71, it's aware that you're rising your meters not. And so by the time you put the number in, you might be 80. And then that's also well, so. So it's interesting here, because the next Lisa comes in and says, in these books, these two people are parents, it's interesting the difference between parents and maybe this is where we really give parents and people with type one a little extra, because you know, they're paying attention a little extra, right? Like you just said, like, I'll put my damn thing on whenever I need to. And that's the end of it. But Lisa said new sensor inserted and warm during stable time, she says the same thing. And then she says when it works for her stay hydrated, avoid rapid blood glucose changes during the warmup. And the first hours. For example, that looks like they exercise physical exercise be suspicious of unexpected values in the first evening, I 100%. Believe in that I you know, first day of a Dexcom. If I don't trust what I'm seeing I check, right. She says she gives a little rule of thumb here. If way off from a finger stick and a flat arrow. I calibrate a value in between but never more than too many miles. Or 36. Oh, she's from? Oh, yeah, at least I think is Australian at a time. Normally given one, the sensor gets a brain normally given one a sensor gets around. I don't know what she means by that. But so that's it for her right? It's way off from a finger stick. And you have a flat our all calibrated value in between but never more than the 36 points off for Americans. So I think what she's saying is, if the if the things that if the sensor says she's 100. And the meter says she's 136 She picks a midpoint and tells it oh, I'm really 118. That's what I say

Jennifer Smith, CDE 22:33
sounds like yeah, that sounds like what you're doing

Scott Benner 22:35
to coaxing it towards the truth. Right? Yeah. It's like the first hour of interrogation after you've been arrested. We don't go right. We don't go right for the for the idea that we start off with. So are you there?

Jennifer Smith, CDE 22:50
I do have to say, you know, I guess I didn't, I guess I didn't really think about it in in terms. Maybe subconsciously. I was thinking about it. But in terms of like the comment about starting a new sensor before exercise, I don't do that. Okay. I will, I guess, again, subconscious level, I will start it when I'm not going to be moving so that things are moving quicker. I just do finger sticks. If I have a sensor that dies before I plan to go out, I just do some finger sticks and go about my exercise plan.

Scott Benner 23:25
Yeah, well, we, you know, we've run into situations before where we're, you know, throwing on new equipment. Honestly, whether it's a pump or a CGM, and we're running out of the house or Arden's leaving, but we're going to split up. And I think I must always say, hey, look, that's a new pump. So, you know, let's be extra careful. That's a new CGM. Pay attention to how you feel you should probably test in an hour. Right? You know, I think we all have feelings around technology, like, you know, a continuous glucose monitor, or even an insulin pump site isn't a television, it's not just like it works. This thing should do exactly what it's supposed to do every time this. There's also a dance it's doing with your physiology. And that's different for many, many of us, and not always repeatable in the same ways. So,

Jennifer Smith, CDE 24:17
right, like, I think there are some people to someone who is a very true listener to your podcasts, who I've been working with for a bit and he actually wears two sensors, he wears G six, and he wears a libre, at the same time interesting. And, you know, a piece of it is the benefit with the pumping system that he uses when it's when he has a new sensor. He wants to be able to continue to feed glucose values to the system in order to keep it running right and doing what it's supposed to do. So he uses the libre data then to plug in the glucose values in order to not have to do finger sticks in that time period. I'd like to be able to still give it glucose values, which I think is, you know, if you're not, if you don't really care about wearing more robotic parts, that's a great idea, you know, those time periods too, and I've had them. G six for me has been kind of funny I have, I would say I have really good accuracy with it. But by about day eight on 90% of my sensors thus far, day eight, I start to get sensor error, wait three hours, and then it'll come back. And I'll get a little data and then it'll give me another sensor error, wait three hours. And at this point, if I get it twice, on day eight, I'm like, kaput, the air the sensors done, I take off, I call it in Dexcom is great. They've send me new ones. They always ask the same darn questions. I'm like, I don't know why it's dying on day eight for me, but it is. So. But I mean, in terms of units, and just the time periods when you get those errors, having a backup, like wearing a libre, which again, also doesn't require any calibration, kind of can give you a back up in terms of your initial system

Scott Benner 26:08
overlap it, you're

Jennifer Smith, CDE 26:09
right, it's a little overlap.

Scott Benner 26:11
Well, you know, and we do testing in that time, like I, I don't I agree with you, when when I see people who are like, Oh my god, the worst time in my life is the two hour warm up when I don't have Dexcom. Right. And I think those people must be newer to diabetes, or to decks or in general, because I've never once thought, Oh, my God, we've lost the CGM for two hours like this thing. Like last night it you know, it, um, it lasted the full 10 days, like right up till to the hard stop. And it wasn't a problem once during the thing. And then the next two hours, I just hold our nose, like they get an hour, just test. And if you need insulin, give it to yourself, like, you know, the way we did it for years and years and years before this technology exists.

Jennifer Smith, CDE 26:55
I feel like that's probably the case. And it's, I sort of have, I compare it to kind of being like, you're on the mothership, and all of a sudden, you get like, spit out the back door, and now you're like, Lost in Space? Where am I traveling to? What's going on? I mean, quite honestly. fingerstick I mean, it's I know that and for many parents, I think it's hard when you've gotten so used to a system that you feel like you're saving your little ones fingers. Yeah, you know what? They're going to be okay. It'll be alright, if you stick their finger, you know, they'll be okay. If you get information that's going to help in the short term,

Scott Benner 27:37
right? I'm helping a person right now. And I said, Hey, why don't you check with the meter, and they have the contour. So I was like, I'm pretty comfortable with this. And they responded back and we're like, we don't we didn't ever test. And I said you probably should have a little bit. And you know, and so and now is one of those questions. Why do you want me to test right now? I said, because we're about to do something. And I want to be 100% sure we're doing the right thing. And I don't know you. And you know, I don't know when you put the CGM on, I don't know how you've managed it. Like I just want. I want a little peace of mind here. Right? Don't take your peace of mind from an old meter. But you know, at the same time, okay, ready? What do we have here? Dana's got some solid advice. I think I've probably calibrated every sensor a few times, but it has to be a flat arrow. I use decks, comps for trends, and a finger pick through a finger poke throughout the day. So if it's consistently off by 10, or 20 points, over two and three or two or three checks, then I'll calibrate. So if she's off by more like between 10 and 20 points, two or three times, then she brings the CGM back. I have to admit, I would do that too. I don't know that, that she's saying she does it consistently through every sensor. We don't do that. But if I saw that, I agree I would do it. You know, and Arden's a one see very closely matches her Dexcom data. Right, so I'm comfortable that I'm doing the right thing.

Jennifer Smith, CDE 29:11
Yeah, mine does too. And that's a lot of people do some comparison. I mean, I'll usually get emails from people and they're like, Well, my my GMI from tax calm was telling me this, but my agency came back at this what's what is the deal? You know, and I know that we've talked about that before on a couple of other episodes, but I mean, you have to understand the difference you know, blood glucose versus interstitial glucose, a little bit of variance there. Could be I myself also have very good comparison between the Dexcom average and my actual Awan See, they're they're close. I think that the last one was within like, one point or point one.

Scott Benner 29:54
Well, that is that is definitely how I, in the end, assess whether or not I I'm managing that sensor Well, right. And it's funny too, because, you know, back in the day when people were rampid for information back when information used to go really slow, like a new CGM, you know, the G five would come out and people right away is I get the notes. Scott doesn't work review it, Bob a lot. I'm like, I'm not going to know for three months. Like, why do you?

Jennifer Smith, CDE 30:20
What are you talking about? Ask me two days after, right?

Scott Benner 30:23
Here's how we'll know three months from now I'll look at Arden's data. Somebody sent me an email and said, Please say data for me. So I'll look at Arden's data. And then I'll look at her agency. And if they match, I'll say Hmm, that CGM must have been pretty good. Because there's no other way to tell. And so I do think that this is kind of crazy, because it's user error. A lot of the times right and not error, like, oh, you screwed up, I think, Oh, you don't know how, which is why I want to put this this episode together. Because it just it is like sometimes this thing needs a little massaging. Chelsea said, we calibrate only if the arrow is stable. Usually first thing in the morning, and before I go to bed, keep hydrated. Never calibrate when there is no arrow? Because she believes rackets that means the sensor is confused in general, right?

Jennifer Smith, CDE 31:19
Correct. That means the sensor is it's still giving you data, but it's it's making sure like all of its little algorithm, whatever it's doing internally there, it's not giving you an error, an arrow of direction, because it's seeing a glucose value. But there's there's make sense for them. Yeah, it's kind of confused, I guess. Yeah.

Scott Benner 31:41
She goes on to say try to calibrate when food or rapid insulin is on board. And some people say this is her gleaming I think what other people said to her that works for her, insert it let it marinate overnight and then calibrate in the morning and in fairness, Jeanette came in and said this and put arrows to it. Like she was like, I completely agree with this one. Next person says we rarely calibrate. We know that the de Dexcom will oftentimes be off a bit in the first 12 hours. If you do calibrate, do so when numbers are stable and not dropping increasing quickly. Right? Yeah, see people are starting to hear

Jennifer Smith, CDE 32:21
idea is not, it's not I guess, proprietary to Dexcom. A lot of people with Medtronic do exactly that as well, because of I think their sensor has long term been a little bit more wonky, kind of in the get go kind of stage. So there are a lot of people who even with the older Medtronic sensors would let it do that, like marination, they'd sort of inserted at night, they'd start it up first thing in the morning, still get another two hours of wait time period, but it was enough that they got rid of that sink in period.

Scott Benner 32:57
Have you ever seen people put a sensor on but and then cover it? Yeah. And not not at all, like put a transmitter in it or anything like that. I've seen people do that. In fact, I've

Jennifer Smith, CDE 33:09
had a couple of parents who do that with their kids kind of this marinate idea. They'll use that. Whatever it's called caveman. It's like the the sticky wrap. It doesn't really

Scott Benner 33:17
stick stick. Like if they give blood now they wrap it around your cotton, right? Yeah,

Jennifer Smith, CDE 33:22
exactly. So what they'll do is they'll put the Dexcom on, not put anything in it like meaning like a transmitter. And then they just wrap that around, let it sit and then they started up when the actual old the old sensor dies.

Scott Benner 33:36
Because and Dexcom has been on and in the past obviously a lot and they've they've you know, I've been told more than once. Right? There's this there's this wire that goes in and it needs time to I mean, let's say acclimate to the interstitial fluid get wet. Yeah, I think it's soaking in right I think is the idea. It's I guess it's like, you know, it's it's like taking a log and dipping it in water and pulling it back out right away. The logs not wet in the middle from that, but if you throw it in there for a few hours, it'll soak through. Gabriella, I only calibrate within plus or minus 30% of Dexcom readings directionally towards my readings directionally towards my meter, I don't get into calibration loops as a result. Have you ever seen a calibration loop personally? Where it asks you to calibrate you calibrate and then it tells you to calibrate again?

Jennifer Smith, CDE 34:28
I have not not with G six. I have had that with G five. But again, not often either with that,

Scott Benner 34:34
I think I've seen it. I honestly have to say maybe twice. And we've gotten out of both of them by being persistent and and doing it. Here's a question for you. Let's say you calibrate and let's I'm gonna try to make up a number here. So let's just say your blood sugar's really 90. The Dexcom says Is your 120 and you put in 90, and it says 110. You know, if you put in 90 Again, it will agree with you, right?

Jennifer Smith, CDE 35:11
It did not done that a

Scott Benner 35:13
double calibration on close numbers, forces it to agree. Now, the question my head always is, does it stick then is that right to do? Or is it just making me feel better? And all I can say is that when I do that, things go okay afterwards, but I don't know if that's right or wrong. This is probably right, where I'm thinking right now people are listening. And they're just like, they're pulling their hair out and punching the dashboard of their car. And they're like, such bad information. Let's keep this in mind. I'm just telling you what I've done in the past. I'm not telling you to roll. I'm certainly not saying Dexcom says to do it. We're having a long conversation here about what other people do because it's such a varied thing. Don't do it if you don't like it, like, you know, or try it once and see what happens. I don't know. But I don't even know if the outcomes right or not. I do know that it makes me comfortable that you've

Jennifer Smith, CDE 36:07
done it a couple of times. So it's Yeah, seems like it works when you've done it.

Scott Benner 36:12
Well I've done it enough to say it out loud and let my voice be recorded while I'm doing it. Yeah, I willy nilly on here yelling about diabetes stuff.

Jennifer Smith, CDE 36:19
Right? Right. Yeah, I I've never tried that. I guess the next time that I feel like it warrants a give it a whirl. See what happens. Mike, give that a whirl and see how that works out especially at two o'clock in the morning. I'm like, I'm not Oh.

Scott Benner 36:36
Elena says I don't calibrate I find that calibrating leads to far more inaccuracy than just letting it go. With that said, I do think the first 24 hours or so of a new sensor can be rough. And it eventually works itself out. Tarot, we check on the first day. If it is 20 Points off. We calibrate. And if it helps, and if it helps it not to be so wonky that day. Any other time we spot check it, it's right on. That'll stop it. She's saying okay. Molly, I have never had to calibrate. And when I test as long as my arrow is stable on my Dexcom they match within three to eight points. Wow.

Jennifer Smith, CDE 37:17
That's great. Oh, God, I think you know, and I think a big piece of this too, which has now been commented a couple of times by people is hydration. That is a and I know we've talked about it before I've mentioned it before that is just enormously important. And I think especially for for kids, little kids who you kind of have to coax them to drink more, right? And remind them I mean, kids without diabetes, I don't even think parents pay attention, honestly, to how much their kid is drinking through the course of the day. But kids with diabetes, certainly, especially with the fluxes that they have in their blood sugar. Hydration is huge. And then you've got kids who are very into sport. I mean, they might be doing something for four hours, you know, four times a week. Make sure they're drinking. Yeah, absolutely. So but for sensor specific, though hydration is so important.

Scott Benner 38:17
Well, you know, your point is well taken because today in the in the private Facebook group for the podcast it somebody asked about their creatine been been creatine or something like that, like yeah, they're

Jennifer Smith, CDE 38:29
creatine been is. Yeah, blood urea nitrogen is what it stands. Thank

Scott Benner 38:33
you, Jenny. And everyone who came in who had any kind of a medical background was like, Look, if I was you, I would just make sure I'm hydrated. You know, Natasha says, we used to try to calibrate after the first 24 hours if Dex was still over 20% off for the last sensor change. We did a pre soak Oh, see that? The new sensor, they soak their sensor overnight, and then snapped in the transmitter in the morning. And it worked without calibrating the x was very close to the Contour. Next One, thank you for the plug once the 24 hours past nice X was also less jumpy during the 24 hours. And

Jennifer Smith, CDE 39:11
I've seen that too. That's actually an interesting comment. You know, with G six, the the system has smoothed the data, right? So you get this smoother trendline with less jagged down, but a lot of people have questioned in that first like Let's even say 12 hours. Some people do get that like that little object where you can see that the numbers those little dots every five minutes they are more up down up down versus this nice smooth into each other. So that's interesting that somebody kind of commented on that.

Scott Benner 39:50
Well someone comes in and asks Do you can you explain pre soaking and she Natasha went on and said before the current sensor expires, apply the new sensor but not but do not move the transmitter. So the type, so the type one will still be wearing two sensors one active one inactive for a period of time, this gives the new sensor a chance to acclimate for longer than the standard two hour warm up period. If you do this, be sure to cover the new sensor to protect the delicate electronics. We use a band aid Oh, a band aid i Yeah, this is completely off label. Obviously, most of our base of the podcast is off label right?

Jennifer Smith, CDE 40:25
I would expect that a band aid that's one of those like larger band aids would probably be the better option just to really protect that internal part of the sensor. Because you know, the funny thing about G six, and I didn't realize it initially after I started to wear it, but G six has this like sticky stuff. Like inside. And when you remove your transmitter, you can see it on there. And that's why you have to clean the transmitter off every time you take it off. Does

Scott Benner 40:53
it remind you of like petroleum jelly or something? I don't know what it is, though.

Jennifer Smith, CDE 40:56
Yeah, it's like Carmex or like, you know, like, yeah, like petroleum jelly gynae.

Scott Benner 41:03
I, I definitely know what you're talking about. Yeah, it. Listen, Linda, we never calibrate. And I have to say to their sensors for weeks in a row that we don't calibrate. Like, I don't need most like, this is interesting to do. But I'm not a person who's in a position of saying, Oh, wow, we really need to figure out what works. Because what works for us is, you know, like,

Jennifer Smith, CDE 41:28
do what works for you. And you might have censored a sensor that one. One, I guess, idea of what to do with this particular issue. It could be different three months down the road when you've got another sensor.

Scott Benner 41:42
Oh, can you get sorry?

Jennifer Smith, CDE 41:45
I thought I had it turned off. But yeah, it might be three months down the road that it's a completely different calibration need, right that you do something completely different this time versus the last time that you needed to calibrate.

Scott Benner 42:00
Yeah, there's three people here, Irene, Jeanette, and Jolie. And they all say the same thing. Like, once in a while, like I put along that works great. But sometimes I get it where it asks me to calibrate twice after a warm up, even though it's not supposed like, have you seen that. And if

Jennifer Smith, CDE 42:14
I have and I didn't see that until Gosh, a cup, maybe it was the beginning of this summer that I put a sensor on. I gave it the code and accepted the code. And after the two hours, it was like, You need to calibrate with it with two finger sticks. And I was like, but I fed you a code and then it I believe it's every 24 hours then if it didn't, for some reason register the code even though it told you you did, you'll get the two hour warm up two finger stick and after that once a day, you'll get a request for another calibration every 24 hours with a new sensor.

Scott Benner 42:48
Okay, how amazing is all this by the way for it? Listen, for those of you who have walked into diabetes during the time of glucose monitoring, you're probably thinking, you know, oh, that sounds like a problem. And for anyone, Jenny or me with Arden, who were around before this, I think this is all like astonishingly amazing and just magical. You know? Danielle, we rarely check with a finger poke. We only check when we are surprised by what Dexcom is telling us. I think that's important to remember. That is exactly how I feel about it. It's that like when I don't know how to I don't know how I know. But when I don't trust it, I don't trust it. And right, you get that over time. I think

Jennifer Smith, CDE 43:30
it's kind of like with the ones that as you said they start up and it just reads like ello W Yeah, your low your blood sugar is like 39 I'm like, Yeah, I don't feel 39 I know. I mean, I have you know symptoms, thankfully for low blood sugar still. And I would know a 39 I mean, I really would. And so I can be like yeah, that's totally wrong. I'm gonna do a finger stick and it's going to come back at like 78 or like maybe 90 or something you know. So symptoms are another piece to it as well if you are feeling very differently than what the CGM is telling you. Even if you haven't done a finger stick in three months. Yep, figure out where your glucometer is.

Scott Benner 44:10
Go find that first. Megan says I don't calibrate if it's an accurate we go off finger sticks. Excuse me, why can't I say finger sticks until Dexcom becomes accurate? My daughter has been wearing Dexcom for two years. I only calibrate if it's off by more than 50 points which is rare. And I only calibrate when the the error was level was he says I've never calibrated a Dexcom CGM. Wow, yeah.

Jennifer Smith, CDE 44:40
That's amazing. Yeah. Must have been must be somebody then who's never been on G five because that required

Scott Benner 44:45
you to have calibration, right? Yeah.

Jennifer Smith, CDE 44:48
Although interestingly, I have had people who've worn GE five who have said they want it back calibrate. I just don't calibrate it. I've just let it and honestly the system will All, it will keep running unlike G four, and the previous, if you didn't calibrate it, it would just stop giving you information. G five would keep giving you data. Okay, it would keep asking for calibrations, but it wouldn't. It wouldn't stop giving you data. Well,

Scott Benner 45:16
you're right. You're 100%, right. Oh, I remember that too. Yeah. Okay. Sara in the morning with no carbs or insulin on board with a level arrow. So we're starting to see some similarities with people's answers that are that are repeating over

Jennifer Smith, CDE 45:31
I mean, I think if you could put it together in a simple, it would probably be one be hydrated, yep. To make sure that the glucose value is stable, or that you're in a stable time period, meaning you haven't eaten like the whole basket of like, chicken fries, and like ice cream, and now you're waiting for your sensor to give you good data. Right? Well,

Scott Benner 45:50
I'll tell you what, there's a couple of there's a couple of statements in here that really does shine a light on what anecdotal information is, because there's a person and they're even putting a laughy face in it, who says, I usually only need it during the first sensor session with a new transmitter. I feel like the new transmitter needs a few days to learn me, the transmitter has nothing to do with the measurement of your blood sugar. It's just sending the signal right to but even so that's it right? Like you see something over and over again. And if you misconstrue it, all of a sudden you feel like it's a roll. You know? It's like when people's likes Murphy's Law. Oh, that thing? Always. I love it. When people say this about diabetes, this stuff always goes wrong at the worst times. And to that I always respond, what would a good time be for it to go wrong? Right? Every time feels like a bad time. Exactly. Yeah. Going along and living your life and then all of a sudden, something you're counting on stops working. There's a good time for that.

Jennifer Smith, CDE 46:53
You're always stinks no matter if it's two o'clock in the morning or when you're on the beach vacation or your whatever, in the middle of a basketball tournament. It's never a good time.

Scott Benner 47:05
Jeff Brent and Jaya, I don't calibrate.

Jennifer Smith, CDE 47:11
If I'm curious for those who are not calibrating

Scott Benner 47:14
how close they're a once the match is there?

Jennifer Smith, CDE 47:17
I'd be curious about that. But I'd also be curious if they're also people that may not be doing finger sticks. So they may not really know if their sensor is really off. Yeah, I mean, because, you know, having had diabetes as long as I have. I didn't have sensors for a good majority of my life with diabetes. It didn't. And I mean, my first sensor was in 2006. That's when I first started using them. And so I was always, I still am, I still do finger sticks during the day, even if it's not to check my CGM. It's because it's time to eat. And I'm so programmed. I'm just programmed to do a finger stick, I can do a finger stick when I wake up in the morning, I do a finger stick at lunchtime. I do a finger stick at dinnertime. I always do it before I go to bed. And I'll even do more than that during the day with exercise, right? And I just it's just a routine. It's like brushing my teeth. It's not something I think about anymore. So I think that I'm also a little bit more in tune then with Oh, my CGM is reading this. My finger stick was this, you know, and for those who pump especially if you're relying on the CGM, but you've not really been doing finger sticks, and you're kind of wondering Why will my GMI from Dexcom is telling me this is my average. But every time I get my a one C done, Gosh, it looks like I'm a lot higher. Yeah, well, it. It could just be that CGM just isn't reading you, as accurately. Do you remember

Scott Benner 48:53
a long time ago in the original Omni pod? PDM. There was the meter. Yeah. And that the meter wasn't it wasn't great. And so that's how I figured it out. Right. So how did I figure out the meter wasn't great, because Ardens a one C kept coming back higher than it should and it didn't matter. This is before CGM. And it didn't match what the finger sticks. Were telling me. And that's when

Jennifer Smith, CDE 49:20
I figure out how to play with the kalam Yeah, then you change

Scott Benner 49:22
the calibration code and the meter works better. And so I used to it was 17 or 18 Right? All the all the test strips for the Omnipod PDM are code 1616 And some people change the meter to code 17 And some people change the meter to code 18 depending on which ends up being more accurate for them. We were 18 I know a lot of people were 17 Yes, I was 18 Yes. And then Ardens a once he started matching my expectations just like that, so you can be mad about it if you want but at this point now that meters a decade old, and you know and so the people were like I can't believe that the new dash doesn't have a meter on it. You You don't want a meter in your technology because the meter keeps getting older. All of our new technology now is updatable, right? It's like your iPhone, you want to put a new operating system on it, you can a new app. But if you stick a physical piece of equipment into it like a meter, now suddenly you're stuck with that meter forever. And that's, that's I don't think that's a good play. And I think that's why if I had to guess why on the pod took it out, I think that's one of the reasons. It could be. Yeah,

Jennifer Smith, CDE 50:29
I mean, it's also the reason I think that they've decided, you know, now when you get Omnipod, the dash system, you get the Contour. Next One, right.

Scott Benner 50:37
And the PDM is now really just sort of like a lockdown Android device. Right? Right, exactly. But it's it. But the point is, is that I saw that as far as moving on, I kept thinking like, Oh, my God, this meters Old, old, old, and I felt tied to it at that point. You know, I am. I hate to say this, but I am so much more happy with the Contour Next One than I was with the PDM meter. Back in the day, I'm thrilled with it. And I think that to people listening probably were like, Oh, my God, Scott's taking a meter ad. We know he uses Dexcom, he probably doesn't even use a meter, we use a meter every time we need a meter. And it's a lot more than you think it is. And it's not because Dexcom is not great. It's for the reasons Jenny just said. So I was actually kind of

Jennifer Smith, CDE 51:21
curious, you know, I my insurance doesn't cover the Contour. Next One I wish it did. It covers the accucheck Guide me, which is another very similar to the contour its accuracy kind of parallels, right. But the interesting thing is, I do have a Contour Next One. And I had like the sample bottle of test strips that kind of comes with it. And so I played once I got my accucheck I was like, I'm just curious. And they were pretty spot on with each other, quite honestly, which was nice to see. But also then went back to my old school PDM and my freestyle light test strips and and I figured out that actually that code 18 is the one if it was the code 18 It was within like two to five points of the Contour. Next One, the accucheck. Yep. So that's old school as it is. Code. I

Scott Benner 52:11
know. I know. That doesn't make sense to a lot of people. But code 18 for code 16 strips in the old PDM perfect for Arden was the way to go. You know what's interesting here, here, I have three people in a row who I know are not old school diabetes people but been added a long time right people whose comments that I'll pay attention to when I see them roll by Jen, a big note a calibration, Shawn, personally, I would never use the G six without calibrating. And then the third person reads as we calibrate if readings are off by more than 20%. But it doesn't happen that often. These are three people whose opinion, I think are probably pretty good. And they said three different things.

Jennifer Smith, CDE 52:52
And they all do it differently. And I think it's also kind of as I commented earlier about mice a good number of my sensors, like just being done on day eight. I think it goes back to the the truth in that the sensor filament interacts with everybody's body system, body tissue, interstitial fluid, whatever you're going to call it a bit differently. I think that's the reason some sensor systems work beautifully for some people, and not so beautiful. For others. I've got friends who love their Medtronic sensors get really awesome accuracy finger stick CGM. It's always on they don't have any problems with their systems. I could not get that thing to work for me. For the life of me and I wore both my sensors. I wore Medtronic and Dexcom. And it just never want to work

Scott Benner 53:45
for as good. You know, here's another name that I Kristen who I know. And she says I've never calibrated I do not believe my blood. Here's why. I do not believe my blood glucose meter to be more accurate than my Dexcom. So she just doesn't have probably that she can confidence in her meter. And some people don't think about that. They're just like, yeah, I checked it. So the meter the meter is like God, you know, the meter said, so the meters right? Well, you know, some of those meters. If you've seen the testing, I brought it up recently on an episode. There's I think the last one was like 2018, right? And it kind of ranked them only like six meters even ranked in like I would use this if I was you. All the other ones were like don't buy this meter. Right. The variance was way off. Yeah, right. Well, okay, we're out of time, aren't we? Because we're also at the end of the list, and I only had you for an hour today. So I actually got down to the list. There's people's I'm sorry, I skipped some that obviously were repetitive. But yeah, like Jenny said in the middle. I think that what works for you is important that checking with a quality meter is important. And it seems that you know the consensus seems to be if you're going to calibrate make sure you're high hydrated at a stable blood sugar before exercise, no active insulin, that kind of stuff. So the thing has a chance to

Jennifer Smith, CDE 55:09
get a lead correctly from the beginning. Yeah.

Scott Benner 55:12
I wonder if we'll get yelled out about this? I don't think so. We were very clear. Yeah,

Jennifer Smith, CDE 55:17
I don't think I mean, it's not like we're saying, This is what you should definitely be doing. 100% to make. I mean, that's not this is not medical advice. This is just discussion.

Scott Benner 55:26
Jennifer, this is a work culture. Okay, if you say something out loud that somebody doesn't agree with. You're trying to ruin the world, don't you understand? All right. Listen, I want to wish you a lot of luck changing your light bulb. And I really wish I knew your husband, because I would go behind your back and tell him that you don't change.

Jennifer Smith, CDE 55:46
Like I will, he will laugh at me. He'll be like, Who do you see this little like thing on the side? This is very, like, pull it off. And so I'm like, scouring.

Scott Benner 55:54
Well, listen, I'm gonna help you for a little bit before you go. He's get up on a ladder and look around the ridge at the ceiling to see if there's little set screws that are holding the whole thing

Jennifer Smith, CDE 56:03
or not. There are no screws, there's nothing. So then it's

Scott Benner 56:07
got to be. Did you twist it for? I don't want you to twist it out of the ceiling.

Jennifer Smith, CDE 56:12
Yeah, I twisted the glass part of it, which is would be the next option. Because I've seen the glass bulbs that just twist off, right? This one is either really screwed in unbelievably tight, which I guess might be the case. Or maybe I'm just too worried to try to unscrew it or like, heavier because I don't want it to crack in my hand. Here are my

Scott Benner 56:32
two thoughts. When you're trying to turn it is the base the metal base turning with it? No. Okay. So maybe you have I don't think you have to turn the base. But what I am thinking is, is it possible that it's a reverse

Jennifer Smith, CDE 56:45
thread? Oh, counterclockwise?

Scott Benner 56:49
Do you have to turn it the other way opposite. I wish you had enough time I would like to make you go up right now and turn it and see if it comes off. But instead I will just wait for your text message later. And

Jennifer Smith, CDE 56:58
I will let you know whether I required help to change the light bulb or not.

Scott Benner 57:02
I 100% agree you shouldn't tell anybody about this. That's all. Yeah, all right. Well, thanks for doing this. I really appreciate it. Yeah,

Jennifer Smith, CDE 57:09
absolutely. Have a good weekend. Okay, bye.

Scott Benner 57:14
Hey, everybody, Jenny's gone. I'm still here. We're gonna do everybody's favorite podcast thing I'm gonna read to you for a second this is from dexcom.com. In their frequently asked questions. The question is, is my Dexcom sensor accurate heading Dexcom G six continuous glucose monitoring system reading and meter value. Whether you're new to Dexcom, or experience, review product instructions before using the Dexcom G six. Keep using your blood glucose meter to make treatment decisions until you know how Dexcom works for you. Your meter gives you one number if you test twice, using the same or even different meter, it gives you another number and your Dexcom G six gives you a third. What do you do with all those numbers? Next heading is the test. The test your doctor does is considered a more accurate glucose number than any products you use at home. Both meters and Dexcom G six are compared to that doctors test to measure accuracy in clinical studies. They aren't compared to each other. Because of this, the Dexcom G sex reading and meter value are unlikely to be exactly the same number, but they should be close. Compare the meter and your Dexcom G six to see how closely the numbers match each other. If your G six reading and meter value are within what we call the 20 rule, also known as the 20% 20 rule, they match closely. Here's the rule. To use the 20 rule follow the steps using the table below my gosh there's a Table Lookup your meter value in the green middle column. The left G six column shows the low range for G six reading that okay, you're gonna have to go look at this yourself. I'll put a link in the show notes for this 2020 rule goes on to talk about good fingerstick practices. When you're using your meter. Make sure your test strips are stored as directed and not expired. Your hands are clean for finger sticks. Wash your hands thoroughly with soap and water, not hand gel and dry them then test. There are times when the numbers temporarily don't match, but are likely to become closer over time. For example, the sensors first day. With newly inserted sensors the difference between your meter value and your G six reading may be greater. Generally the match gets closer over the first 24 hours. Glucose changes quickly. When your glucose is changing quickly. It is more difficult to compare numbers. The meter and Dexcom G six measure glucose from different sources. They are blood in interstitial fluid and blood glucose changes a little before interstitial fluid. The match gets closer and easier to compare. When your glucose stabilizes pressure on the sensor when something is pressing on your sensor it can affect 36 readings the match should get closer after the pressure is relieved. That of course is what people call a compression low. So everything they're saying here matches pretty much everything that we found talking to Jenny, my experiences and what everybody in the Facebook page was saying. To determine what to do watch a G six readings over several hours. If the readings are always higher or always lower than your meter values, and always outside of the 20 rule, consider calibrating. Also consider calibrating if your Dexcom G six and meter numbers don't match, and your expectations or symptoms fit the meter value, not the G six reading calibration. Calibrating your G six with your meter is never required, it can make the Dexcom G six more accurate or less accurate compared to lab results, but it should bring the G six reading closer to the meter. When calibrating make sure you enter the calibration within five minutes of taking the finger stick. You don't calibrate during a sensor error. If you like you can calculate the 20 rule on your own. The Dexcom G six reading must be within 20% of the meter value when the meter value is 80 MG DL or higher 20 MG dl of the meter value when the meter value is under 80. Please note that the information listed here is applicable to the Dexcom CGM user within the US only. I cannot just read you this link. Because it is it looks very maybe I can hold on one second. So it's dexcom.com forward slash FAQ s forward slash is dash my dash Dexcom dash sensor dash accurate. Like I said I'll put a link in the show notes huge thanks to the Contour Next One blood glucose meter for sponsoring this episode. Go to contour next one.com Ford slash juicebox To learn more, and thanks to touch by type one.org For being such a wonderful long term friend of the show. Check them out touched by type one.org. Of course if you'd like to get a Dexcom CGM dexcom.com forward slash juice box you can get a free no obligation demo of the Omni pod tubeless insulin pump my Omni pod.com forward slash juice box take the survey AT T one D exchange.org forward slash juice box guys ready to hear Jenny admit the not being able to do something that I think she's kind of embarrassed about and some other chitter chatter. If you're looking for bonus material, I got you covered.

Jennifer Smith, CDE 1:02:44
I'm fed children I've gotten them changed. I've wiped but I have washed my hands and then I picked my tomato isn't my peppers from my garden and

Scott Benner 1:02:56
it was how did you get up? Six o'clock. Oh, so last night. That was seven o'clock your time. Last night. Last night as Arden's pump was winding down. I was like it'll make it overnight. Then her CGM and her CGM men, right. And we changed our CGM around seven o'clock and it was done. It lasted the entire, you know, 10 days. It was working great right when it shut off. And we hit like a little bit of a bleeder I was like, ah, that'll probably be okay. So it comes on in two hours. And Arden's CGM starts are all exactly the same. It comes on, knows her blood sugar perfectly. And within an hour tells me she's low and she's not. And then we we coax it along and get it going, and it's fine. So this happens. Around midnight, I go to sleep. And at 2am Kelly wakes me up and she goes, Hey, I need help we changed Arden's pump, because her blood sugar was going up. And her CGM has lost that signal. And I was like, Okay, no problem. I'll take care, but you go back to sleep. And I did take care of a Jenny. And then I went back to sleep at 6am. I was up for four hours in the middle of the night. And no, and it just, it would come back and it would go away and it would come back and it would go away. But I'm I know it's gonna be all right. And if this would have happened in the middle of the day, I want to be clear that this doesn't happen often. Does it just happen this time at a really bad time? But since it did happen, I know what I want to talk about today.

Speaker 2 1:04:43
Oh, great. And while we're doing that, I'm going to actually I've got like I have so many chords.

Unknown Speaker 1:04:52
What was going on? What

Jennifer Smith, CDE 1:04:52
is the deal with chords?

Scott Benner 1:04:55
The room is cleaned up though it's different.

Jennifer Smith, CDE 1:04:57
Oh, oh because we are are putting in new floors. Oh, this room, no campus. This is the bigger of we put a new floors in our living room. They're like, we are purging our home of carpet.

Scott Benner 1:05:12
Okay, blah.

Jennifer Smith, CDE 1:05:16
So living room got done. Now we're moving on to the space that has been my office which interestingly has been, it's the bigger of the two like spare bedrooms, right? Okay. And so we're going to put new floors in here. And then we're going to put new floors in what is now the room that the boys technically share. Okay, we're gonna then transition rooms. I'm gonna take that room, which is actually the smaller they're gonna we're gonna move their stuff in this room and this is the bigger of soap.

Scott Benner 1:05:50
You're under. Well, listen, we your fun stuff. To me. I know there's nothing like being an adult is there? We just ordered a folding state floor for Arden's room. And she very Arden just picked this floor that wasn't very expensive. So we were like, okay, yeah, you can have she's like, Can I do this? And when she picked that one, we're like, yes, you can. And you absolutely can. But we're replacing we. It's funny, you said this we wanted to replace, we have hardwood through most of our house. So the kids bedrooms and this room, amen. is carpeted. And then our living room is carpeted. But everything else has Tyler or wood. And we wanted to make the living room, tile or wood or something. We weren't really sure what. Because the one one of the bonehead mistakes we made when we put the house together was we bought this carpeting and didn't realize and dog owners will know right away, you don't buy looped carpeting with a dog right. And we didn't know that our carpet cats or I think the over under on poles that I fixed in that carpet have to be in the 1000s you know, or sometimes the dog's leash or something gets caught on he runs away and just yanks out like six inches of carpet and I actually get back down on my hands knees with a hot glue gun and toothpicks and put each one back in again. Right.

Jennifer Smith, CDE 1:07:16
Hi, God, you have so much more time than me.

Scott Benner 1:07:18
Oh my god. The other option was the other option would have been to burn the house down. It was like right in the middle of the room. You know, like I was like we got to get out of here. It was just really bad. And so we can afford to put wood down or what we wanted to put down in there right now. So we just went out and bought like a really inexpensive piece of carpet and it's being delivered in a couple of days. I can't believe we're doing flooring at the same time. At same

Jennifer Smith, CDE 1:07:42
time. Yeah, I don't think I've ever seen the floor in that room. Usually there's like a nice couch behind you. And that's all I see besides like,

Scott Benner 1:07:51
yeah, well my son stole the couch, just so you know. So that's gone now. He's like, I'm gonna take this sofa into my room because and he's home forever. So we're like, Alright, he's gonna take the candles, you know? So he's got that. And I have all of Arden's junk in here because we're waiting for the flooring to be put in her room so it's a bit of a disaster. Anyway,

Jennifer Smith, CDE 1:08:12
but I was gonna say I'm gonna get yet another cord totally forgot to plug the cord for the computer like direct connect in so give me a sec yeah sure

Scott Benner 1:08:29
I make Jenny plug her I don't let her use Wi Fi while we're doing this. So she's dragging an Ethernet cable across the room.

Jennifer Smith, CDE 1:08:37
And I also realized that I have no clue how to change the lights.

Scott Benner 1:08:42
What do you want to change in there? What do you mean we want

Jennifer Smith, CDE 1:08:45
I want light bulbs in the ceiling died I cannot figure out how to get

Scott Benner 1:08:54
What are you talking about? Let me say

Jennifer Smith, CDE 1:08:57
I don't know how to get it off. I have no idea

Scott Benner 1:09:01
is there no screw in the middle of it?

Jennifer Smith, CDE 1:09:03
There's no screws I've tried to turn in the glass doesn't unscrew. I don't know what to do with still. I have a big ol like floor lamp in here now. So like actually have Why have you

Scott Benner 1:09:19
brought anyone else into? Try to figure it out?

Jennifer Smith, CDE 1:09:23
No. I should ask. I know I should ask my husband. Do

Scott Benner 1:09:28
you not want to tell your husband you can't figure out how to change the light bulbs. Right?

Jennifer Smith, CDE 1:09:34
Like I'm not this dumb. Like I don't know what the deal is. So

Scott Benner 1:09:37
you're not wrong. It's isn't glass. It's a dome right?

Jennifer Smith, CDE 1:09:42
And it's glass right so it's like the wrong move. Like I just I think I also need to get like a taller.

Scott Benner 1:09:48
Are you reaching this? Yeah,

Jennifer Smith, CDE 1:09:50
because I've got just the basic level, which this stool has worked fine for all of the other like ceiling things right? So why wouldn't it work for this

Scott Benner 1:09:59
long Has the light bulb in that light been working for you? This is the first time you tried to change it is

Jennifer Smith, CDE 1:10:05
we moved in. It'll be October 1 will be two years in this house. And we've not changed the light bulbs in this light since

Scott Benner 1:10:17
because that's good run.

Jennifer Smith, CDE 1:10:19
Right? Good lights, I guess you know, but I also don't get used that very that often. Because I'm really on this in this room during the daytime. Okay, and so unless it's really dark in here, I typically don't usually use them. But anyway, yeah, cool.

Scott Benner 1:10:39
All right, listen, let's try to bring your yes, your bring your microphone a little closer. Do you know sir, to me, is that better? Try again. Better. Yes. That's okay. There's the spot. So hopefully we've answered some of your questions today about how to calibrate or not calibrate your Dexcom G six and the other burning question. How many people does it take to change a light bulb in Jenny's house? As of now we know the answer to be more than one. If Jenny's involved in it's in her office. Thanks so much for listening to the Juicebox Podcast. Please take the time to share the show with a friend. And leave a wonderful five star review on Apple podcasts if you're so inclined. Thank you so much for listening to this episode of the Best of the Juicebox Podcast. I hope you understand better now the process of calibrating your Dexcom G six. And I also hope that you're interested in learning more about the Omni pod five, or the Omni pod dash? Don't forget to use my link Omni pod.com forward slash juicebox would you like to save 35% on this sweatshirt that I'm wearing here? Are these silky joggers? Am I rubbing my legs while I'm saying it? I'm not gonna tell you because it sounds creepy, but they're super soft, cozy earth.com Save 35% at checkout with the offer code juicebox. And of course, you can get 10% off your first month of therapy at better help.com forward slash juicebox. Just by going through that link. It's all you have to do. If you'd like to know more about better help, there's going to be a short explanation at the end of this episode. Thank you so much for listening. I'll be back very soon with another episode of The Juicebox Podcast. If you enjoyed this conversation and you're not in my private Facebook group, it's absolutely free. And I think you would love it Juicebox Podcast type one diabetes on Facebook private group 35,000 Plus members. That's over 35,000 members, tons of conversations, opinions, perspectives, and great conversation absolutely free. Go check it out. If you enjoy the Juicebox Podcast or this episode or any episode, please go into the audio app you're listening in and leave a five star rating and a thoughtful review that will help someone else to understand why you love the podcast. The podcast is sponsored today by better help. Better help is the world's largest therapy service and is 100% online. With better help, you can tap into a network of over 25,000 licensed and experienced therapists who can help you with a wide range of issues. betterhelp.com forward slash juicebox to get started, you just answer a few questions about your needs and preferences in therapy. That way BetterHelp can match you with the right therapist from their network. And when you use my link, you'll save 10% On your first month of therapy. You can message your therapist at any time and schedule live sessions when it's convenient for you. Talk to them however you feel comfortable text chat phone or video call. If your therapist isn't the right fit for any reason at all. You can switch to a new therapist at no additional charge. And the best part for me is that with better help you get the same professionalism and quality you expect from in office therapy. But with a therapist who is custom picked for you, and you're gonna get more scheduling flexibility, and a more affordable price. I myself have just begun using BetterHelp betterhelp.com forward slash juicebox that's better help h e l p.com. Forward slash juice box save 10% On your first month of therapy


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#881 Best of Juicebox: Crush it and Catch It

Scott Benner

Originally aired on April 7, 2021. Scott and Jenny talk about how to crush and catch a high BG.

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Hello friends, and welcome to episode 881 of the Juicebox Podcast.

Hello, and welcome again to the best of the Juicebox Podcast. Today we're going to revisit episode 463. It's a defining diabetes episode called crush it and catch it. As originally aired on April 7 2021. This episode is definitely a fan favorite. I don't think a day goes by where I don't see someone in the Facebook group say hey, I crushed it and caught it. While you're listening today, please remember that nothing you hear on the Juicebox Podcast should be considered advice, medical or otherwise, always consult a physician before making any changes to your health care plan or becoming bold with insulin. Are you a US resident who has type one or the caregiver of someone with type one, please go to T one D exchange.org. Forward slash juicebox. Join the registry complete the survey. When you complete that survey. You are helping type one diabetes research to move forward right from your sofa. You also might be helping out yourself and you're supporting the podcast T one D exchange.org. Forward slash juicebox.

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don't tell the other episodes. But I quite like the defining diabetes series. What was once just in my head and idea of like, Oh, I'll tell people the definitions of words so they know the tools they're using and what they're supposed to do. But I've come to see these episodes is more than that as time has passed. I think they're their own special little. I don't know, I just like them. It's like a mini pro tip series defining diabetes. They're just good. And they're helpful. Actually, they're made even better with the presence of Jenny Smith, my friend and certified diabetes educator who helps me on these end the pro tip episodes. Today Jenny and I are going to define crush it and catch it. There's a little more to it actually, there's crush it, catch it and you'll find out in a second but I just like crush it and catch it. The rest of its like implied once you understand you'll see in a second. Please remember while you're listening that nothing you hear on the Juicebox Podcast should be considered advice, medical or otherwise please Always consult a physician before making any changes to your health care plan. We're becoming bold with insulin. Hey, new listeners. Did you know bold with insulin actually comes from the title of episode 11. I thought I would tell you that because now that the podcast is seven years old, it's possible you don't even know how this thing got started. This episode of The Juicebox Podcast is sponsored by the Contour Next One blood glucose meter. It's the meter my daughter uses. It is the most accurate meter I've ever held my hand. And it's absolutely lovely. Check it out at contour next one.com forward slash juicebox. You know what else? This show is sponsored today by the glucagon that my daughter carries, G voc hypo Penn, find out more at G voc glucagon.com. Forward slash juicebox. I have come to I've broken down the idea of how do I get a blood sugar back down into three simple words I crush it, catch it and start over. Okay, so if I see if I see a blood sugar that's high, and it's stuck, instead of messing with it, I crush it, catch it and start over. Now sometimes I crush it and it catches itself. And those are days when I'm like oh, I really did it. And then there are some days when I crush it so hard, it needs to be caught with some sort of fast acting glucose. This comes up a lot when I'm talking to people because I just feel like I feel like staring at high blood sugars is a bad idea. Now when I used to say this, people say oh, it's not good to bring your blood sugar down too quickly. And I know it isn't. But is it not a good idea when your blood sugar is high all the time to bring it down too quickly. But what about a person whose blood sugar is normally like 85 to 105 and it sits there most of the time, but then you get this big spike from something you messed up or did wrong or bad pump site or whatever? Is there any value in watching it and bringing it down slowly over four hours versus crush it catch it

Jennifer Smith, CDE 7:04
there when I'm glad you kind of brought it up. Because that was like the first thing on my mind to like spit out was it really does depend I mean, somebody who's typically sitting in a nice, beautiful, you know, glucose range that they're happy with. And now oh, you know, grandma's apple pie came along, and I thought I'd only eat one piece. And now I've eaten three and oh, by the Pre-Bolus that I you know all the things that go into a higher blood sugar that happens occasionally, the occasional high blood sugar that you do your little you know, crush it catch it kind of component. Is that detrimental? No, I mean, you're taking care of the high blood sugar, you're bringing it down, you're doing it quickly. I would say that the opposite of that though, you know, for a high blood sugar, that's, that's randomly high. And you're kind of worried about doing that and bringing it down so quickly is there is there trauma, the same way and just leaving it hanging high and come down slower, by just taking a small amount and gradually getting it down? I think they're both honestly about the same in terms of any potential like you know, back in, which I don't see there at all, you know, problems and you either take care of it on the back end or on the front end quick and it comes down. And now you don't have to do with the high blood sugar anymore. Or you end up with a high blood sugar for hours watching. It's like slowly come down. And you may not feel great during that lengthy time. But on the same if you crush it early, and it drops really fast. You also might feel the drop, too. So you know in either of those, I don't think that it's necessarily bad. The long term of consistently doing that, like if you are the roller coaster, and you're constantly crashing highs and on the back end catching them with a load of extra food. They're in something needs some adjustment, right?

Scott Benner 9:07
And so that phrase would not come into my mind if Arden was constantly Hi, I would think oh, there's so many other things that I don't understand. I am really talking about specifically when you just have this, like out of nowhere like right where did this come from? Because I think one of the problems with messing with it for hours is that that runs into another meal. And now you don't have any resolution of the carbs and the the insulin right like there's no like I found myself years ago always saying to my wife, look, we need to get this down, get it level, get this insulin out of her so we can start over again. Because if not you have all these other variables going on. You don't know which ones are impacting and then you go into another meal and it takes years to be able to just on the fly go okay, there's still some act of insulin but the food's gone. now so i'll Bolus this and I'll take away 10 carbs because I know there's some insulin left like you most people can't do that off the top of their head right? So I my my theory has always been get it down as fast as you can. Because the insulin you use to get it down is kind of gone after that, like it gets. I don't know if this is a technical term but it feels like it gets used up dealing with the carbs Does that make sense?

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Jennifer Smith, CDE 12:37
Yeah, I usually say it gets eaten up faster. Yeah, it's like there's so much sugar for it there when you've got a high blood sugar that all that insulin gets sort of used up faster. There's it's kind of like the same concept of a Pre-Bolus is you're getting the insulin action going now to hit what's coming and get it used up. And on the back end. If you've done it right. And you figured it, you should have a smooth landing.

Scott Benner 13:05
It's always it always appears in my mind like a fistfight that just goes to the death that just like when it's over, both fighters just drop over backwards and on their way down. They're like well done, and then they're they're just gone. They ever get back up again, you know? And, and you're right. That is how I talk about and how I think about Pre-Bolus thing, which is to put both people's aggression at the same time make the insulin working while the carbs are working. So that one's not not doing its job without the other one. Because how you get a higher low blood sugar. But so in a bigger idea. I hear it's exactly right, like so what do you do in that situation? Like, how does Jenny handle have a high blood sugar that she gets?

Jennifer Smith, CDE 13:47
She's like, Hey, I like your I like well, one, you know, with using the system that I use for managing. I don't typically deal with that unless I have a pump site that's gone bad and hasn't been dealt with obviously. And for some reason, I haven't paid attention to any alerts and alarms that are going off on my CGM. So there are lots of catching points that obviously I haven't I know a lot of people use similarly, but with high blood sugars, I do the crushing catch it kind of thing more than not think there's I don't want to sit high. I don't like sit and kind of like you with my day the way that it goes. I don't want to have to wait out a high to eat because often my meals are with my kids, and I don't. I don't want to sit there while they're like chowing down and I'm like Mommy's got to sit here.

Scott Benner 14:50
Kelly's not saying she feels that her kids will feel odd if she's not eating. She's saying she doesn't want to watch somebody eat and not

Jennifer Smith, CDE 14:57
be eating at the same time. That's the intro I meant to have a meal together.

Scott Benner 15:01
I think it's abundantly clear why you and I get along about talking about diabetes. So I was like it now for the alternate viewpoint. Here comes Jenny with exactly what I just said. Yeah, I just think that I think it leads to so much more success. Because that staring at highs is stress inducing, and like people are like, well, I don't know, I'll make myself low. And I get that, like, if you're hearing this episode, first, go back and listen to the Pro Tip series. Don't start with this. This is like ninja level, like, I already understand what's going on 1000 times over. And I've got a high blood sugar, you know, if you Oh, sorry, no, no, I was gonna say if you usually have high blood sugars all the time, your basil is wrong, you don't understand how to Pre-Bolus Like, all these other things are first not this. This is not step one.

Jennifer Smith, CDE 15:53
No, no. And I was also going to just sort of go back and say, you know, my, my day to day like crush, it is definitely much more the case. overnight. I mean, my husband will wake up to an alarm. But he is definitely much more the like, sleep through a train coming through the wall than I am now have being a mom and waking up to everything. So overnight, I can say because I am, I am my own manager. I don't have anybody catching or following or anything for me. So if there was a conservative time that I'm going to do less aggressive correction for a high, it's definitely going to be overnight. And it's usually if I've had a highlight that overnight, it's usually like, the pump site is bad, or it's gotten pulled out and like I've got this dangling pot on my body and I haven't obviously gotten insulin, and then it leads to well, how much insulin do I have left? So it's kind of a questionable, and I'm a lot more conservative. Sure, for my own self overnight. Because yeah,

Scott Benner 16:58
I would think that for an adult, it's different than for a caregiver for certain. And I don't want to give anybody the impression that I use, you know, 50% more insulin in the situations needs. And then I just give her like a filet mignon dinner at the end, like, although, I could go into how you can get out of a high and go into a meal by correcting the high end Pre-Bolus in the meal, even sometimes hours ahead of time, and then just introducing the food at the exact right time. Maybe that does fit in here. But we're not talking about that right now. So I don't I mean, I don't want anybody to think that I'm overdoing it over time, I've learned that, you know, I can be really aggressive here and maybe I'm gonna miss by eight carbs worth of insulin, right like just a little bit and you can kind of, you know, add a little bit in I there's an episode called Utah Gen, where I talk about how I, how I help the person over the phone, this is probably not something I should have recorded. But how I helped the person over the phone bring like a seven year olds budget or from 400 to 70 in like two hours. And it involved crushing it and then introducing a meal at the right time. And back kids blood sugar went like 76 I think if I'm remembering it just leveled right out, it was like that was one of my, my most happy moments in my life. Walk around my house with my head. So I was like I did it. And then she ruined it by feeding him. But that's not the point. Anyway, it's a great episode, but not what I was talking about. Alright, Jenny, I'm gonna stop putting his

Jennifer Smith, CDE 18:28
reference to it, though. I mean, in terms of like that introduction of the meal at the right time, I think when you said this is like ninja level. Yeah, I agree. Because over time you have an idea, you have a sense of how much to potentially crush it with. And where, with hindsight, you can tell where you're going to need to add something because it's you're not going to it's not going to catch it on its own. You're going to have to help with the catch.

Scott Benner 18:54
Yeah. So and if somebody's listening to this and thinking, oh, yeah, I try that all the time. And I always mess it up. I really genuinely think go listen to the pro tip episodes, because then you'll get through the little reasons why you mess that up. Because you know, I could go one of them is that people are constantly chasing blood sugar's, they're always like on the wrong timeline. I don't like no one other way to put it other than to say, insulin you use now is for later, but a better way to think of it is that insulin from before is affecting you now. And if you're trying to affect before, now, you're caught in a time travel movie and you're on the wrong end of it. So anyway, try the Pro Tip series. Okay, Jenny, thank you very, very much. Yeah, you're welcome.

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I feel like I've gone on too long about this now, but there's no going back. And I don't feel like editing it out. So I'll see you soon with another episode of The Juicebox Podcast. I'm just gonna keep talking, you can leave if you want to. But some people don't know about the other episodes that I think would be really helpful to them. So I'm going to take a moment juicebox podcast.com is the website for the show. Everything you need is there, there's menus at the top. And you'll be able to find the diabetes pro tip episodes. And the defining diabetes episodes. Under one link is the link that says diabetes pro tip. If you can't remember that you can just go to diabetes pro tip.com, where I've also put those episodes. I know a lot of you find the show. And people tell you Oh, if you listen, this podcast, like your variability will get better and you're able to go down, you'll just have a better idea what you're doing. And everybody's like, why do you do that? I think it's by listening to the show. I think that listening gives you a firm understanding through conversations with many people who are parents of children with type one diabetes, or adults who have lived with diabetes for a long time. Just hearing the conversations, hearing ideas come up, things get spoken about, I find very helpful. It builds your kind of diabetes knowledge. But if you really just want to dig into management ideas, you are looking for the defining diabetes episodes, just like this one, and the diabetes pro tip episodes. So again, diabetes pro tip.com. They're also right there in your podcast player, the thing you're holding right now with your phone. The Pro Tips begin at episode 210. They do not run concurrently. So you have to find them. And I think I say I think but I'm looking so it seems disingenuous. I was buying time the defining diabetes episodes begin at episode 236. There are many of them actually. Probably number in the dozens. And I don't see any end to them as we define. You know, I don't even see them as like definitions. I started talking about this the beginning like it's not just like Bolus means this. It's Jenny and I, we define it but then we talk it through. And now you know what that tool is. It'd be like, I'm gonna be like if you came from another planet, and someone handed you a hammer and a pair of pliers and a screwdriver and told you to go put together a bed. You might not know what the hammer is for. You wouldn't even know what it was called. So if you were helping me and I said pass me the hammer you wouldn't know. So I like for you to know what a Bolus is what Basil is why hydration is important. What's an insulin deficit? is feet on the floor a thing? What is the fat and protein rise a compression low or rage Bolus? Like I want you to? I want you just to instinctively know this is a hammer. I know what a hammer does. And that way when you need the hammer, you won't hesitate to me that's what the The finding diabetes series is about and then while there is no doubt that I would love for you to listen straight through this podcast started first one and listen all the way through. I know not all of you are going to do that. If you did, you would glean everything that is inside of the pro tip episodes. Don't skip the pro tip episodes just listen to them straight through episode 210 diabetes pro tip newly diagnosed are starting over and they go on from there. If you're not an MDI, still listen to the MDI episode. Right if you're on MDI, still listen to the Pre-Bolus episode. If you're on MDI, listen to the insulin pumping episode. If you've never had to CGM in your life still listen to the mastering a CGM episode. Don't miss bumping and nudging the variables exercise like don't just skip one because you think oh, this isn't for me. Those are going to lay down a firm foundation around your diabetes management in my opinion. And they're free So why the hell not right. Okay, thanks so much. Now I'll really see you next time. Bye. Bye. Hit subscribe

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