#1460 Jakob Blow

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Jakob has T1D, is 29 years old, a paramedic firefighter. Has only recently been on a pump and CGM since 2 years ago. He’s married and has 1 kid. He’s had diabetes since he was 7-8 years old.

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Scott Benner 0:00
Friends, we're all back together for the next episode of The Juicebox Podcast. Welcome.

Jakob 0:14
My name is Jacob. I'm a type one diabetes. Have been for well over 20 years now, and decided to come on and hang out with Scott for a little bit and see if we can't get to an interesting conversation today.

Scott Benner 0:26
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Jakob 2:04
My name is Jacob. I'm a type one diabetic. Have been for well over 20 years now, and decided to come on and hang out with Scott for a little bit and see if we can't get to an interesting conversation today. That would be awesome. How old are you now? I am 29 so I was diagnosed when I was seven years old, and actually right around this time of year, because the only thing I remember from my diagnosis is it was a couple weeks before Halloween, and I was pissed.

Scott Benner 2:31
People are talking about sugar, and you're like, Whoa, slow down. I've been waiting for this all year. What are you talking about? Yeah, yeah, pretty much. What do you remember about being diagnosed beyond that. I don't know what

Jakob 2:42
it was about Mondays, but every Monday I would throw up at exactly 10am for like, the two weeks prior at school. I think my mom made pancakes and syrup every morning, Monday morning when I went to school, and that might have been it just spiked my blood sugar like you wouldn't believe, threw up on the girl that sat next to me twice during that process in what was that second or third grade? So she wasn't super fond of me.

Scott Benner 3:04
Jacob, the first one was on purpose. The second one, did you think we know she can take it so we'll go this direction? What do you mean?

Jakob 3:10
I'm not really sure. I think I always kind of tried to wait till the last minute, like, oh, this will pass, this will pass, this will pass, this isn't going to pass.

Scott Benner 3:17
And too late, Yep, yeah. So

Jakob 3:21
as my parents put it, I was all of, like, 40 pounds at seven years old, I was like a skin and bone they said, when we were finally got diagnosed and were in the hospital, they saw me walk out of the bathroom and, like, just my boxers one day, and they're like, oh my god, he looks like a Holocaust survivor. Like, really, really,

Scott Benner 3:37
just thin. And were you thin to begin with, and then obviously you lost more weight around the diagnosis, or were you not than you were? I

Jakob 3:46
don't know. I'm I'm a thicker, I don't like, I'm not really thicker. I'm just a big, kind of, like, not big. I don't what's the word I'm looking for here. I

Scott Benner 3:55
love it. Like, this is awesome. Wait a minute. I know I'm not,

Jakob 3:59
like, a skinny rail. But I've, other than when I let myself go a couple years ago, I've never been like, fat right

Scott Benner 4:08
to let yourself go on purpose. Was it like a decision? Were you like, Hey, let me try this now? Or no,

Jakob 4:12
it was honestly just I let myself go for a while there right after my wife and I got married, and then

Scott Benner 4:21
Jacob's, like, got one I'm done, yeah,

Jakob 4:24
lower physical activity just wasn't doing as much. Sat around the house a lot more and, like, it was, like, two years ago, I looked at myself and I'm like, holy crap. I'm 220 pounds. Like, could

Scott Benner 4:35
I get this lady to go out with me again, if she wasn't already, like, pot committed? Yeah, so I see, did you ever hear her go, oh God, like, or anything like that? Like, did you like,

Jakob 4:47
No, we never. We were actually going through. We were cleaning a bunch of stuff out yesterday or the day before, and we found some old pictures from right around right after our wedding. And I was like, Oh no, no, no, no. Oh no.

Scott Benner 5:00
Did not know what happened.

Jakob 5:03
I No, I didn't realize it, honestly at the time, yeah, and then I started the job I'm working now. And when that happened, I was like, hey, hey. First off, I was like, Hey, I gotta get my diabetes under better control, because it's, you know, a requirement of the job. Even though I've been doing it for a long time, I went from a small department that didn't really care about, you know, if I was taking care of myself or not, to a big department that, literally, I would probably get let go if my diabetes wasn't within the specs that it was supposed to be in. What kind

Scott Benner 5:36
of work do you do? I'm a firefighter, paramedic. Oh, okay, and they were, they were paying attention to your ability to, like, say, walk up some stairs and hold something at the same time. Yeah,

Jakob 5:46
exactly. So I got hired at the job I'm working now in 20 what is it? 2024 so 2022 into 21 I think so. I'm coming up on two years with my department I work at now. And when I got hired, I was heavier, but like, my a 1c at the time I got hired was also like, 8.6 and my last a 1c I had drawn two weeks ago was a 5.80 wow. Well,

Scott Benner 6:11
we'll get to how that happened. And you're bringing back bad memories of me, like running hose up and down stairs and, like, fold gear, and it's no wonder I can keep doing that. Geez, a lot of work. Yeah,

Jakob 6:24
trust me, we had, we had a training the other day where they blacked us out and basically threw us inside of a large warehouse with just us and our crew and a bag of rope, and said, find your way back out. And by the way, there's someone in there. Go find them.

Scott Benner 6:39
Nothing like it. So you've crawled on your hands and knees just following a wall on your right side, hoping it led to something. It's a not a not a great feeling. We're gonna do a right hand search today with your eyes closed. Great. It's awesome. Well, yeah, I'm telling you too, for anybody who's wondering about it, like just go somewhere in your house, put your right hand on a wall, go down on your knees, and then try to get to something. And then imagine wearing boots and pants and a coat and a bottle on your back and breathing through a tube and the pressure of the place is on fire. And see if you it's just really, it's crazy fire. School is something I will never forget. Honestly,

Jakob 7:20
don't forget, you're doing it in a house you've never been in before. You can do it in your house. You know where everything is, yeah,

Scott Benner 7:24
yeah, yeah, right. Well, I didn't want to tell people to walk into their neighbor's house and say, Hey, I gotta try something real quick. Don't bother Don't Don't mind me. I'm gonna go try to find the bathroom. Damn. Yeah, exactly. So, okay, so you're diagnosed young. You vomit on some kids. She don't like you anymore. You move through your life. How like, what is your care? Like? Who's helping you, who's not helping you? What are your outcomes?

Jakob 7:48
So for the longest time, I was MDI, I would say almost all of my diabetes life, until a year and a half ago, MDI, long acting, short acting, and like cuma log in Lantis. So even two years ago, when I finally decided to switch to a pump, I was cum log in Lantis, no, CGM, no. Just finger sticks if I even really ever did that, I did a lot of how I felt and not how I actually was.

Scott Benner 8:18
You know, what I tell my daughter about that? Right? No, what if how you felt was a good way to manage this, I wouldn't have to buy all this stuff for you. So,

Jakob 8:27
yeah, yeah, yeah, I realize that now.

Scott Benner 8:31
But see, you didn't start regular, mph, though, right? You started with humologue The

Jakob 8:35
first couple years. I might have been regular, and I remember having like there was a cloudy vial that we had to roll. You had to mix one at bedtime or meal time. I don't really remember. It was so long ago, okay,

Scott Benner 8:48
but you did so you did start there, though, yeah. And my point about that is, is that that sets expectations, and it sets up your your care guide. So at some point, your mom was probably told, eat at certain times, inject at certain times, like that kind of stuff,

Jakob 9:04
yeah, and I vaguely remember that, but I also went to probably the largest children's hospital in the area that I'm in. So I felt like it was pretty progressive, pretty quickly, of like, okay, hey, we've gone from you eat 30 carbs at dinner, and 1515, gram snack here, and a snack here. And, you know, we went from that to a, hey, here's a carb ratio fairly quickly. I want to say it was within, like, a year or two of diagnosis. Jacob,

Scott Benner 9:35
I was trying to bail you out here, but apparently you knew what you're doing. And,

Jakob 9:40
yeah, no, no. 100% I knew what I was doing, and I just didn't care for a while. I will say, I mean, I love my parents. One of the things I will say, though, is I think they let the reins go a little early on me and let me manage myself. And I think some of that was me pushing for that, when maybe they should have tried to be a little more involved with that. Still, but you have kids? I yeah, I got a three year old.

Scott Benner 10:03
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Jakob 13:09
Yeah. I mean, they were pretty involved through like, middle school, but then as soon as I got to high school, it was all over. You know, I was, I was eating whatever I wanted. I think the big thing that kept me not into like, A, 10, a, 1c, is I've always been into sports. I've always been super active. So even if I was hitting the two or three hundreds, I'd jump in the pool at water polo practice, and I'd probably be 30 by the end of practice. Yeah,

Scott Benner 13:34
but this was a lot about numbers and not a lot about health. Is that right? Exactly? Okay, yeah, that's tough. Like, I mean, listen, Arden's 20 now, and you know, you are constantly walking a line between, you know, helping, where help is needed, staying out of it when you know you want to, obviously give her space to grow, right? Also, you know you'll see like, you know, 15 years from now, like kids pushing back and finding, you know, like setting boundaries between their parents is really healthy. So you want that to happen, but you don't want that to happen in exchange for a 350 blood sugar the last six days. How do you tell somebody I trust you and Jacob, I know you're, I know you're a good kid, and I know you care. And blah, blah, but you're also, you know, this old, and you're not bolusing all the time or whatever. So it's such a weird balance to try to walk. And I was, I was talking about it with a much older person than I, which is to say something, because I'm pretty old. They don't have a kid with diabetes, but they are an endocrinologist, this person I was talking to and they were talking about just parenting their own children, and like saying, like, look, my kids don't have diabetes. They're in their 30s, and they still sometimes call us and ask questions, and you're still, I'm like, oh my god, is this never gonna stop? Like that. That's what I took away from that. I was like, Wait, this is gonna happen forever. I was like, Okay, I don't know. Art and I are finding our way through it. It's not smooth, you know what I mean? Like? Because she sees it from her perspective. Doesn't give a shit about my perspective, and I'm trying to take her perspective into account, and she doesn't think I am. So it's a classic parenting situation, diabetes or not. But then you you know, you mix in the health outcomes into it, and it just feels dire. You don't want something untoward to happen, and you don't want to ruin your relationship, because then something definitely is going to go wrong. Yeah, good luck as well. I'm saying it's a lot Okay, so you screwed with your family. You told them you were okay, you weren't. And then how long does that go on for? Oh,

Jakob 15:42
like, literally, until probably two years ago. And I started finally looking into like, Hey, how can I get better control over this? And I think part of it was, you know, I got this, this newer job at a bigger department that actually pays attention to, like, your health metrics and all this other stuff. And I think some of that was also my kid, like my kid was getting to that nine months to a year age, and I'm like, Gosh, I really gotta do something so that I'm here for this kid in 2030, years, like my old man is for me right now, when I call him at two o'clock in the morning or eight o'clock in the morning and I haven't slept all night, and I'm like, hey, could Can you help me with this kid

Scott Benner 16:20
that I made a mistake, and it's looking at me and it seems hungry, and I'm I'm tired. I don't know if you know I got this job, it goes overnight sometimes, and I think that putting her in a closet is illegal, so I need you to come over. Is that about

Jakob 16:36
it? Yeah, pretty much. I mean, he's, he's a really good kid, I will say, even when I have those nights at work, which I have, often I work the second busiest engine company in my city. It's not uncommon to run 20 calls in 24 hours and just not sleep much.

Scott Benner 16:54
Real fires are just a mix of everything. I

Jakob 16:57
work downtown. So if you can imagine the kind of clientele we run into downtown, it's a lot of homeless, drug addicts. Oh,

Scott Benner 17:09
you're running those calls all day long, all day long, and then, and then it's to the hospital, and then back, and then again, like that cycle,

Jakob 17:16
yeah, I mean, we're, I work off an engine. Mostly we don't. The department I work for has one ambulance that we transport off of, but we, as of right now, we have a private entity that transports for us, but that changes in July of next year, and we will take it back over, but we're riding in on the engine quite a bit, because, I mean, you get some of those people that are strung out and they're unpredictable. You never know what they're going to do. So it's like, hey, let's get some extra people back here. And I say, keep you safe and the patient

Scott Benner 17:46
safe. At the end of a 24 hour shift, you're pretty beat. Yeah.

Jakob 17:49
And my son's pretty good about like, I'll come home and I'll sit in my recliner and he'll kind of curl up on my lap with a hand me the remote and tell me to put bluey on and his juice cup and be like, I'll slap you in the face when I'm ready to go play with my toys. You take naps. I'll wake

Scott Benner 18:03
you up, buddy. Don't worry about it. Yeah, I'm talking to you. Seem like a bright guy, Jacob. So like, how do you go that long? I want to say it's not a condemnation. I'm not being like, how did you do this wrong? Like, I'm just trying to understand, how does a day turn into a week and a week turn into a month? A month turn into 10 years? Like, how does that happen?

Jakob 18:21
I think I just formed some really bad habits, young, not testing myself all the time. I never pre bullish my insulin. And I actually I post bullish because I used to graze all the time. So I'd give my insulin after I ate everything, I'd be like, Oh, I ate about 12 units worth of insulin. Get that. I just wasn't so, you know, you know how insulin works. My blood sugar is spiking up and then dropping down. I was on the roller coaster for years, and then I finally decided, like, just randomly one day, I was like, hey, I want to start trying to manage this better. I want to try and get ahead of this. And I think part of what it was is during my academy for this job, I had a doctor's appointment with one of my endos that I had at the time, and he was like, Hey, I got a sample of this Dexcom. Let's try it out. And I started seeing the roller coaster. And I was like, Oh, God, this isn't good. Yeah,

Scott Benner 19:19
you know, health wise, though, did you feel okay?

Jakob 19:24
You know, I look back now and I used to be a lot more of a loose skin, and I used to be a lot more maybe aggressive, or would come off angry more often than I do now. And I look back now and I'm like, I bet you most of those blow ups I had, I my blood sugar was probably like 400 and I didn't even realize it. Yeah,

Scott Benner 19:46
how long you've been married? We've

Jakob 19:47
been together. What married coming up on four years now, we've been together since 2011

Scott Benner 19:55
High School. Did she know that about you? Like, did she think you were just volatile? Or did she. It was diabetes. I had my moments,

Jakob 20:01
and she thought it was just kind of part of my personality and who I was, and anymore, like her and I almost never fight anymore, I'm just, I'm not as angry of a person as I used to be. And it wasn't all the time, right? But it was one of those, like, frequently I have a little meltdown or a blow up. And anymore, it's like, as she puts it, is, it takes you a long time to get back to that point now, but I don't ever want to see you back at that point, because something's gone terribly wrong if you're at that point again. That's

Scott Benner 20:32
interesting, man. I'm endlessly fascinated by that just slow drop off of health and how you don't notice it happening, and, like, how you could, like, like, like, have a personality that you look back on and go, that's not even really who I am. Yeah, it's fascinating. And, and if you don't get pushed by, God, I can't, I can't, like, I can't believe, how do I put this? Like, it's crazy that you had the I can't die. I got to be around for this kid feeling. But you never had that I can't die. Being alive is pretty great feeling.

Jakob 21:03
Yeah, no, I just, I think I was also in that kind of, you know, mid 20s, early 20s, you know, nothing, nothing's ever going to touch me. Yeah, thing and, but yet, the whole time, I'm working as a, you know, paramedic, firefighter, and I'm seeing people who are not taking care of themselves, that are close to the same age I am now, that are way worse off. And I'm like, Oh, crap, how did that never slap me in the face before? Well, yeah,

Scott Benner 21:31
I mean, it's, it's max of what they call hypocrisy, Jacob, because you're like, you know these people, the drug addicts, they don't. They can't keep it together, not like me. Yeah, right, exactly. It's interesting. So you decide to take a better care of yourself. Is it like a thing where you just go, I know what the dual just do it? Or did you have to go out and find out how to manage things?

Jakob 21:55
I started searching for some more information. Got, you know, like I said, I got on the CGM, I started seeing the data in front of me, and I'm like, Okay, how do we fix this? You know, you see that spike, okay, how do we fix this? Obviously, we missed something here. I started playing around with my carb ratio a little bit. I realized that my carb ratio was way more aggressive than it actually needed to be. As soon as I started pre bullishing my meals instead of giving my meals after, because it was, you know, I was a one to four when I started looking at all this, and I realized a lot of that was covering for the fact that I was given my insulin after I ate. You know, I was way over Bolus, I think I was, or basal. I was, think I was on like, 36 units of Lantis when I finally switched to the pump right before I remember, we had dialed my Atlantis down to, I think I was on like 26 units. I was giving 11 units in the morning and 11 units at night, because if I gave the whole thing at night, I'd wake up at 4am low. Wow,

Scott Benner 22:56
isn't it interesting, by misplacing the insulin throughout your day how much more you ended up needing because you weren't just covering food or body function, you were covering that plus high blood sugars with the settings, instead of using it in the right spot and having and mitigating those highs.

Jakob 23:12
Oh yeah. And then I think part of the whole, I think a lot of it was me putting insulin in at the right spot, obviously. But then, I think another part of the whole reduction of insulin needs during that whole time was that was around the same time I started losing a bunch of weight. You know, I went from 220 to in at the beginning of 2021 or 2022 to at the end of the year, I was probably 170 pounds.

Scott Benner 23:41
Okay, yeah, so what did you do there? Was that the way you ate? Or how did you Yeah,

Jakob 23:47
a lot of diet changes. I try not to eat the crap that I used to eat, like we used to eat out all the time. We don't do that anymore. I try and focus on, like, good old, like, lean foods. For a while I went, like, super low carb. Not going back there. I still, some people still say I eat low carb, but I'm like, No, I just don't indulge myself in carbs, you know. But, yeah,

Scott Benner 24:13
it's interesting, isn't it? The difference between, like, processed food and carbs, like, we all, we all say, like, you know, like, if you're eating crappy food that's processed and out of a box or a bag or whatever, you know, you know, and you're like, Oh, I'm eating, like, high carb. You don't mean, like, I'm eating a lot of, like, roots and, you know, broccoli and stuff like that. And so I think what people say should be saying is, I eat it's tough, because I hate talking about this, because there's, you know, no matter what phrasing you use, somebody thinks they know better about eating and like, somebody else gets pissed and all. But like, I just think that, generally speaking, staying away from processed foods. If it doesn't come in a bag or a box, that kind of a thing, if it's not over processed, if you're not drinking your your. Of your carbs. I mean, those are pretty quick ways to, you know, giving your body a chance. So you look at it as like your body was, like, overwhelmed every day by what you were asking from it. It just couldn't stay on the positive side. Yeah. Okay, yeah. So wow, that's not bad. Did you change your exercise habits through there, or was that just all eating? You did that with a lot

Jakob 25:21
of exercise habits too. I went from, you know, maybe working out every now and then when I was at work to, you know, I got a gym membership. I work out. Well, I typically, you know, three to four times a week I'm at the gym between work and when I'm at home, you know, trying to, you know, I dropped to a one, I think at the lowest, I was down to, like, 160 and I looked at myself, I was like, Oh, this is not healthy. I need to put some weight back on.

Scott Benner 25:45
How tall? 580 wow, you were 582 20 at one point. Yeah, yeah, that's, that's and

Jakob 25:51
I'm like, five eight with my shoes on. Like, that's probably me adding an edge.

Scott Benner 25:56
You're like, Tom Cruise. You're like, I'm five. You know, I'm tall. I it's in the fives, yeah. Oh, that's awesome, man, good for you. You know, you do all you need to do. You turn it around. That's awesome. Now we're gonna stay alive for our kids. That's nice, Yep, yeah. What keeps you doing it?

Jakob 26:14
I felt so much better. Had energy. I woke up every morning and I was like, Oh, hey. Like, I can, I can go for a full, you know, 1216, hour day of being awake and not need a nap and not, you know, just have the energy to keep going. I feel good about myself. You know, it sucks at first, right? When you're ever trying to do a lifestyle change, whether it's starting to exercise, changing your diet, you know, you miss the sweets or all that stuff is, I changed my diet and cut a lot of that stuff out, and anymore, I'm like, oh,

Scott Benner 26:44
cake, that doesn't sound good. Yeah, it's interesting. Because, I mean, I mean, if you listen, you know, like, right? I started, like, using GLP, like, a year and a half ago, and I'm down. I'm down 50 pounds and and I wonder all the time how much of that, how much of the benefit that I'm seeing in my life is just from weight loss and just not over taxing my body, and how much of it is, like the other stuff that we're not sure about, about glps, like, is it impacting inflammation and problems like that? And I think it's some of each, yeah, but it's hard to put into words like that medication is letting people lose weight at such a clip they don't have time to like, you know how you drift it into gaining weight? You're not drifting out of it. You're losing it so fast that if you're paying attention, like, I know it happened for me, like you can actually sit back and go, Well, this is weird. I can remember how this was, because it just was, and now I see how it is, and I feel like I have more of a perspective on both sides of it than if it would have taken me three years to lose the weight, like I would have drifted lower, lower, lower, and not seen the changes, maybe because they have, because they would happen more gracefully, I guess. But there's something there, like I know for sure that I am healthier and I feel better, like you said, Not tired, like that kind of stuff, because I'm just not taxing my body as much, both with food and weight. But at the same time, I think I'm getting something else from it. It's interesting to hear people talk about about this, because you started, not in that situation, got into that situation. Sounds like an Applebee's and then, and then you, and then you made your way back again. Yeah. Did your family support this? Like, how do you like, was it a thing you did quietly on your own, or did you have a cheerleader? How did you manage that part

Jakob 28:32
of it? It was honestly kind of quietly on my own. I kind of started making little adjustments. Like, I'd sit and talk to my wife about it at night and be like, hey. Like, I was kind of noticing this. And, you know, she understands the diabetes a little bit, just because she's been with me for what,

Scott Benner 28:48
since high school. You said, right, 14

Jakob 28:49
years. Yeah, 1314, years now. But she didn't understand all the intricacies of it at that point. And then I started, you know, listening to your podcast. You were, like, the third one I found, sorry, Scott, but you're the one I've stuck with.

Scott Benner 29:05
I'm not going to ask you the two that you bailed on, because that would be wrong. I prefer it this way, because now, you know, right? Yeah. And

Jakob 29:11
you know, all everyone that I found, you know, they they're all talking about pumps, they're all talking about CGM. So I was like, Okay, I'm on a CGM. I kind of want to try a pump. I've never tried it before. I was super resistant to it, like all the time. I had had endos bring up pumps to me throughout my entire life. And I was like, No, absolutely not. Don't want it. Don't want it. Don't want it. I don't think I really understood it at the time, but I was not going to do it. And then started here in the ads on your podcast for Omnipod five, and I did some research, and I'm like, oh, no, tubes, what? Yeah, I could do that. What you can do? You know? Yeah,

Scott Benner 29:46
yeah. So, you know what's interesting, Jacob, I'm going to take the tiniest little left turn, just to say a kind of behind the scenes thing. There's a little bit of a difference between I'm an influencer being paid by a company who has a. Podcast, and I have a podcast, and people buy ads on it, which means that, like my ads say what the companies who buy them want them to say, You know what I mean, like and if I have personal experience, then I can, you know, I can pepper my personal experience through the ads. That's no trouble. But somebody's not paying me and saying, Hey, you work for us. You're an influencer. Now, go make your podcast. Does that small difference make sense? Yeah, yeah, it does. Because I feel like I know who you're talking about. Is why I brought that up. It's a slight difference because I make the kind like this conversation you and I are having. I'm not thinking about my advertisers, and I'll like your episode will pop up. It'll get sent out to an editor, it'll come back, and we'll go in a folder, and when it's ready, and I get to it, it'll pop up, and I'll look at my list and say, Okay, well, this episode is going to go on Tuesday, and on this Tuesday, these are the ads that need to go on it. I don't move the ads around because of the conversation. I don't do anything like that, like so not that I'm better. It's just how I have it set up. Well, yeah, but you know,

Jakob 31:06
and I think listening to everyone's different experiences that you have on your podcast is, like, a big thing. It's not just you talking like there's, you know, there's episodes where you talk or you're talking to Erica or Jenny or anyone else, right? But then you have these conversations where you're talking to Joe Blow like me, you know, and they all talk about their experiences, and it's like, oh, these things have worked for these people. And you have multiple people coming on that are supporting different products, right? And you can go through your podcast and pick them out and figure out what might work for

Scott Benner 31:38
you, you know, you'll also noticed that the guests aren't comprised of a bunch of other influencers and other people trying to get their thing off the ground. So Exactly, yeah, right. Also, I really might call this episode Jacob blow

Jakob 31:53
awesome. I mean, thanks

Scott Benner 31:54
for doing that. I appreciate it. No. I mean, listen again. I think if anything helps people. It helps them. I genuinely, I really don't care what other people are doing, but I think that when you're listening or reading or watching their videos, like, you have to understand there's like, a slight difference, like, I make content that people want, and then I'm able to sell ads on it because it's popular. They're making content not everybody, but they're making content that they know the company wants, because that's what they're being paid to make.

Jakob 32:28
Well, and a lot of those other ones leave out the climax of what you're actually looking for, right? Because they want you to come and pay for them to tell you how to manage your blood sugar.

Scott Benner 32:39
Those are the health coaches. Yeah, that's that's another way people use podcasts like, so you're high all the time and you don't feel well. Oh, what a story. You know, if you guys just want to take it on, the first 30 days are free. Now, once you know, you just get in there, we'll really, we'll say the whole thing to you, like, I can tell you the whole thing now. It's between Episode 1001 1025, it's completely free. Go take it if you want to rile me up, I don't enjoy the idea of people selling you health information. Yeah, yeah. It feels weird to me that you're charging somebody to tell them to pre bolt their meal, because, yeah, it's really all they're saying. You know, I'm happy that the stuff is that the podcast is popular enough that it can carry ads and I can keep having conversations like this and listen. God bless them. They can't follow that model, probably because of their downloads. I'm sure they would if they could. You know what I mean, like, I'm sure if, like, if they had enough people listening, they'd probably just sell an ad too. But anyway, it's neither here nor there. Tell me about the changes you've made, the things you implement every day and and where you think the value is coming from.

Jakob 33:39
I think more than anything, is I actually carb count my foods when I can now, right? I'm actually like, I'm one of the guys that's got the scale, right? I weigh everything I eat. For the most part, I've figured out how to swag things. For the most part of if I'm out and about, kind of being like, yeah, that's about 45 carbs. Let's start there and see where we go. And then the big thing with the the CGM is just kind of watching how, how the blood sugar reacts after I eat, and it's like, Oh, hey, I missed that. Like I went from 102 when I Pre Bolus my meal to I'm 10 minutes, 20 minutes after I finished eating, and my blood sugar is 130 okay, we missed something here. Yeah, you know, let's, let's put some more insulin in or, Oh, we're out. You know, my wife and I are out. We're going to be walking four blocks to the next spot we're going, let's make a little extra jaunt and see if we can't just drive that that blood sugar down without having to Bolus a bunch of insulin and maybe go low. Yeah, are there foods you avoid now? Yes and no, I don't eat a lot of sweets anymore. That's just kind of my thing. I don't really eat like pastas or rices that much anymore. And my grandfather just rolled over in his grave because he's a hard was a hardcore Italian. And I just said, I don't eat pasta, but it's just kind of one of those ones where I'm like, is it worth is it worth it? Is it worth the excursion that I might get? Know, am I gonna cut some zucchini up into noodles and do that instead of pasta? Yeah, yeah, that sounds really good, actually. Yeah.

Scott Benner 35:07
Has your palate changed as you've gotten older? Yeah? Oh, definitely two more whole foods. Yeah? Definitely

Jakob 35:14
like, I mean, this morning I got up, I cut up some onion, bell pepper, mushroom, spinach, some egg whites and a little bit of leftover ground turkey from last night, and made a scramble. And that was what I ate for breakfast, where, five years ago, I would have had biscuits, gravies, sausage, you know, all kinds of just heavy, dense, fatty foods that I just

Scott Benner 35:36
don't really I wonder about that too. Like, why is that? Is it just how you grew up? Is that what you thought of breakfast as I just spent

Jakob 35:42
a week with my dad hunting in the other side of the state. Every morning, he's like, Oh, I'm gonna make us breakfast burritos. I'll throw this in it. I'll throw this this in it. I'm like, hey, hey, Dad, can we just do like, there's some vegetables over there and some little bit of sausage and an egg, and I'll be good to go. Yeah,

Scott Benner 35:58
I probably eat more just eggs, like, scrambled up with a protein, than I do anything else in the morning, like, and not even and like, it's funny, like, not even eggs. Like an egg, like, you don't even mean like, it doesn't need to be all the eggs, like an egg. What I do this week, well, two, and also it seems expensive, but it's not, because, if that's really what you're eating, it lasts forever. Like, I'll go buy a couple of steaks and then make them up, and then slice them up, and then put them with the eggs in the morning for a few days, and then I'll maybe pivot to chicken, right? Like, you know, cook it ahead of time, slice it up, throw it in, rewarm it. The other day, I did, like, I went out. I was like, God, I've been wanting shrimp, and so I went out, I bought, like, I bought, like a pound and a half of shrimp, like, you know, from the from the seafood counter, like, it probably was frozen, like, wild caught, frozen shrimp, right? And, yeah, it cost, like 25 bucks, but I ate it for like, a week, you know what I mean, like, so every day I got up and I was like, Oh, I have some shrimp with eggs. And I know some people think, like, seafood in the morning is weird, but like, whatever, like, you know, I put it together, and once in a while, throw it in, like, a lower carb wrap and then, but most of the time, like, I don't need the wrap. But years ago, I would have been like, you know what? This needs toast. But now I don't think that way anymore. And if I want something crunchy to crunch with it I'll do like a thin, hard, like cracker, or like something like that, because I realized it's not the bread I wanted. It was the crunch I wanted. That makes sense. Everything

Jakob 37:30
used to go in a tortilla for me, right? Really, anything and everything and a tortilla

Scott Benner 37:34
has got to be 40 carbs. Oh,

Jakob 37:36
always, yeah, especially, I used to buy the big, massive tortillas they could make a burrito the size of a small baby. Oh,

Scott Benner 37:42
so it's 50, it's like, 50 carbs. And you don't think of it that way, because it's thin and flat and doesn't seem big, yeah,

Jakob 37:49
and then you're throwing hash browns in it. You're throwing, you know, everything else, sausage gravy. And you're like, Oh, God, that's, that's 120 carbs. I just put my body right.

Scott Benner 37:58
Also. It's grease and slowing down your digestion and extending that so you're going to get a big push right from all the carbs, blood sugar up, and then the great gravy. Jesus, you put gravy. It does sound good, doesn't it? You put gravy in there with all that fat, because gravy is not gravy. Gravy is fat, or you're frying everything in butter or oil or something like that, and then that holds up that blood sugar for three, four hours. Next thing you know, you're fighting with a 250 for, you know, until lunch, if you're lucky, yeah, exactly yeah. And your dad's, like, I did something good, like, yeah, yeah, literally shaving yours off my life. And that was nothing wrong with it. Once in a while, you know what I mean? Like I said earlier, like it becomes a ritual, and then it's what you it's just what you do. Yeah, yeah, no, man, it's, it's something Jenny and I are talking about right now, about making, um, I think we're going to do a list of processed foods that are really difficult to Bolus for, and describe to people why they're difficult to Bolus in real, shorter episodes and off try to offer an alternative to it at the same time. Because I just think that people don't, they don't know, like, if you said, like, what's gravy to somebody? And there's no world where most people would say it's fat, well, yeah, it's milk, heavy cream, butter, like, it's all fat, yeah? But in your mind, it's meat flavor. You know exactly, like, yeah. Now you could do a like a just like a thin that, then that's fine, right? But once you thicken it up, you're, you're asking for it. Oh, yeah, not that I don't listen. I can't. I'm super excited for Thanksgiving. Oh,

Jakob 39:36
trust me, like I kind of mentioned earlier, my wife's pregnant right now, and gravy has been like the craving, so I've been making a ton of it, Jacob,

Scott Benner 39:46
I'm gonna have to get a recipe from it's the one thing I'm not good at making at Thanksgiving.

Jakob 39:50
Yeah, you can't work at a firehouse and not be good at biscuits and

Scott Benner 39:54
gravy. Yeah, maybe I need a recipe from you. I think the cook, I don't know how to cook. It is my problem. Like, I don't. How to whisk it up and get it thick, and it's, I don't know why I'm not good at that, but I cheat with my gravy and pack it. I just buy it somewhere. And then I just then I thin it down with the drippings. And I go, look. It's almost, I almost made it. I just cheat on that one. Okay, like, it's interesting, isn't it? Like, just, you know, how food impacts and it's like, the last thing we think of, like, your weight goes up. You don't think about it, you know, your blood sugars are hard to deal with. It's the last thing you think about, like, it's, can't have Jenny on every day. But if I could you, and you really heard how she like, if I let Jenny come on and talk about, like, how she eats, you'd be like, Oh my God, no wonder she's so healthy. Yeah. Well, it's like,

Jakob 40:41
you know, we went to the grocery store yesterday where we did an online pickup at the grocery store yesterday because we were being lazy, you know, you looked at what we're unloading afterwards, I looked at it, and I was like, there is one thing in here that is frozen, and it is literally frozen potatoes that we'll throw in with some breakfast every now and then. And other than that, it's fruits, vegetables and meat. Yeah, yeah.

Scott Benner 41:02
Listen, it's bags, box frozen. You're asking for whatever that goes in it that keeps it from going bad. Yeah, yeah. So, yeah. Like, it's not World War Two, no. This isn't what we had to pack with us so that I don't die to starvation. You know what I mean? Like, there's, there's options here, but I it's just become, it's just become how food's made. I don't even hold people like, I would never even hold people responsible. There are people who say, like, just eat better. I'm like, I don't, I don't think people know. Like, how would I like, there's a whole food, a whole store. They call it the grocery store, right? And I go in there and it's full of groceries. How am I supposed to know that this aisles? Like, I mean, listen, it's some of it's obvious, right? Like, you know, potato chips, but I guess it's not, I guess it's not. To some people, it's just not obvious. Because I put up a post today about this, about food, and I asked people like, Hey, can you tell me the foods that you know, you, you know, struggle with. You can't, you know, tell me about the foods that you've given up trying to even cover. You can't figure out anymore. Like, it's just interesting. Like, I want to see what, what people are talking about. And boy, somebody comes on in five seconds and says, Yeah, I had to stop drinking soda because I couldn't Bolus for it. And I was like, oh God. People drink soda, like, like, and then, like, you know, you look and you realize, like it's so much, like so much people drink so much soda, like there's nothing, there's just nothing redeemable about it for you and you and I think it's the same as the tortillas, like it's liquid, so it doesn't feel like a thing that could actually hurt you. Does that make sense?

Jakob 42:39
Yeah, yeah, until you realize that you're drinking a 12 pack a day, well, right?

Scott Benner 42:44
And that it's got a bunch of stuff in it that you don't not food Exactly, yeah, and I'm not pick, listen, if you drink soda, like, I'm not coming down, or you can do whatever you want, right? Like, but that's one for me, that like, I'm thrown by that a little bit, like, when anybody drinks soda, I'm like, thrown by that. Or like, you know, fruit juice, or like, you know, it's like, really, it's like, just sugar and carbs and, yeah, I'm not saying it's just if you have diabetes. By the way,

Jakob 43:07
I've been wanting to throw a CGM on, like, my wife or someone else, and just watch how, like, even some of the other high carb sugar stuff impacts their blood sugar, even without diabetes. I think that would be fascinating just for myself.

Scott Benner 43:25
Listen, I sent my my son to like, you know, out in the world, we never drank anything that was sweet like that and like that's just one of the things now, is we've never, just never done right. And he goes off to college, and then goes down south to work for a year. When he comes home, he's, you know, Hey, can I get a sweet tea? I'm like, a sweet tea. Like, what do you what I was like, Am I what are we doing just to have unsweet tea? It's just tea. It's cold. You put lemon in it, you'll be fine. It's what he got accustomed to.

Jakob 43:56
That for. He went to the south, though, didn't he like? That's, that's kind of expected down there,

Scott Benner 43:59
he was in Georgia, and that's it. Listen, when you when you drive south on 95 you get to a certain point where you can't find a diet drink in a cooler when you stop to get gas anymore. Interesting? Yeah, it just like it generally doesn't exist. And also, for people are yelling into their they stop yelling at your car. First of all, while you're driving. It's ridiculous, but I know that artificial sweeteners aren't good for you. I'm not saying to have a bunch of artificially sweetened stuff either. I'm just saying that when you're drinking calories or drinking sugar, you are you're overloading your system in a way that it probably can't fight back from. So yeah, anyway, not that you can't have a sweet tea once in a while. I'm not saying that, but whatever do, whatever you want, I don't care. I'm trying Listen, I'm not perfect. Jacob over here isn't been feeding gravy to a pregnant woman. He might be committing a crime. As far as I know,

Jakob 44:55
it's between that or dealing with a very angry and emotion. Know

Scott Benner 45:02
they're giving her gravy, like, like someone would throw a steak in a lion, is what you're saying to

Jakob 45:07
me sometimes. And as she's eating it, she's looking at me she's had terrible morning sickness, or just sickness in general, this, this pregnancy, and she's like, I don't know why I'm eating this. I know I'm gonna throw it up in an hour.

Scott Benner 45:19
Okay, good times. You should have said, Hey, I know a little girl in third grade can catch that vomit for you. Hold on a second, right? Yeah, exactly. Do you have any other autoimmune issues?

Jakob 45:28
Me personally. No. You want to talk about my family. I do what else? Start naming some auto immune disorders. And my mom probably had some. Let's

Scott Benner 45:36
go RA for your mom. Yep, Hashimotos, probably celiac. No, no. Interesting. Does anybody have the one with the blotchy What's that called? Michael Jackson? No, where'd my brain just shoot i You made me lose it too. Wait a minute. I keep going. What else does she have? Lupus? Is the

Jakob 45:55
big one? Wow. Sclederma. I can't even name all the ones she's got. I mean, if you look up auto immune disorders here, I'm gonna do that.

Scott Benner 46:03
I once thought of doing this, by the way, on the podcast, and I have a list somewhere. I meant Viti, Lago. Ah, yeah, that's,

Jakob 46:13
I know, like. So the lupus is the main one that I always remember with her. Ra,

Scott Benner 46:17
people have eczema in the family. Yeah. Oh, I guess, yeah, yes, you have that. Yes, like, I don't really, I have nothing's got just diabetes. Then, uh, oh yeah, you know I do have, um, I have eggs, anything else,

Jakob 46:31
thyroid, I know she's got thyroid stuff. She doesn't have celiac. Do

Scott Benner 46:39
you have any complications? No

Jakob 46:41
for how much I didn't manage myself for so long, I've been lucky. I think I was kind of at that point when I decided to finally start really dialing in my diabetes, where it could have gone really bad, really quick, if I hadn't made that change. I was starting to notice, like, some stuff with my eyes where, like, they weren't, you know, I was things were blurry, or I'd start kind of having black dots every now and then. And I just recently had an eye doctor appointment. He's like, Yeah, everything looks great.

Scott Benner 47:11
Wow. Like, okay, you got you got there before it happened, like, as it was happening, yeah,

Jakob 47:16
there was some numbness in my feet every now and then I used to have, like, I don't have that anymore, you know,

Scott Benner 47:22
wow. How about, uh, how about Crohn's Colitis, stuff like that in your family? Yeah,

Jakob 47:27
a lot of that stuff. A lot of cancer as well,

Scott Benner 47:32
all on my mom's side. No kidding, yeah. So that sucks. I mean, listen, I think we could probably pivot the conversation if we wanted to, and and make some pretty valid arguments about all the processed food over the last five decades or so. And, you know, you know, some of the chemicals we're using in the world, and all this autoimmune stuff too.

Jakob 47:51
Yeah, well, and I think mom's whole family has a bunch of autoimmune stuff, but it's weird. They weren't like, they were pretty healthy people growing up from everything I've I've seen or learned from them, yeah, they were farmers. Like my grandmother lived off the farm, but, like her brother still runs the family ranch. He's like, 80 years old and still doing it. He's just some kind of man that never stops.

Scott Benner 48:19
He's a man that, the man that never stops.

Jakob 48:22
I remember what was it, probably 15 years ago now, because I was in middle school, or it was longer than that, probably 20, yeah, 1520, years ago now, dad and I went hunting, pig hunting with him, out in the out in the mountains, and I was, you know, middle school, high school, my dad's always been in good shape. This guy's probably like 7075, years old at this point in time, maybe 6570 and he is kicking my dad, me and my dad's ass up and down this mountain, packing way heavier anything than dad and I have, and we're 400 yards behind him. Suck and win, and he's turning around. Come on, hurry it up. Like he's just that big corn fed kid that that's that's what he does. Thank

Scott Benner 49:13
God we didn't count on you to stop Jerry. But there's a reference that young people are just like, what? Who's cherry?

Jakob 49:24
Yeah, you'll ask me on that one

Scott Benner 49:25
the Germans. Sorry, I was making a world war one reference.

Jakob 49:29
There you go. Okay, now I get it.

Scott Benner 49:32
I interviewed this lady the other day, and she's like, she's young, you know? And she's like, I love the show. She goes, I gotta admit, sometimes you say things I don't know what the hell you're talking

Jakob 49:42
about? Well, I'll tell you this. You make a lot of movie references, and there was one that I heard you say, I'm pretty sure I heard you say in a podcast that you've never seen before, and I'm thoroughly disappointed. Oh

Scott Benner 49:53
God, do you want to list the movies I've never seen before? You'll get it's

Jakob 49:56
just one movie that I'm thoroughly disappointed that. I'm pretty sure you said you've never seen before, and it's the Goonies.

Scott Benner 50:03
Oh, I've never seen the Goonies. No,

Jakob 50:05
okay, Scott, that hurts me. Jacob, I've never seen the godfather. I haven't either. Okay, okay, my dad, my dad lives by it, and the theme song of The Godfather is his ringtone. But it's

Scott Benner 50:17
ridiculous. We used to have a list of movies that we wanted to see that we wanted to see that we've never seen. Like, I've never seen Gone With the Wind, like, stuff like, but I just, at this point now, it's so old, like, I just, I don't even think I would connect to it in any way.

Jakob 50:30
You know. See, maybe it's just because I'm, like, from Oregon, which is where Goonies was filmed, and that's just like, you, you're gonna be from Oregon, you have to watch the Goonies. I think it's an unwritten law, all right,

Scott Benner 50:41
well, let's keep going. I've never seen gremlins. I've never seen Oh God. I've never seen Animal House, wow, oh, I fell asleep while trying to watch it at a friend's house. Yeah, there's a lot of movies I've never seen that people would be like, stunned by, because I've seen a lot of movies. Yeah, you make a lot of movie references? Yeah, no, I we used to just, that's all we used to do. Like everybody we knew worked in a movie theater. We didn't pay to go to the movies. We saw everything. I'm going, I just bought tickets. We're going to a movie tonight. It's my son, who's, by the way, 24 and he might be older than that. No, he's 24 and I'm is he 24 he is. I'm glad that never stopped. Yeah, well, it's even crazier because he was born in 2000 so all I have to know is the year, and I know how old he is, because he was born at the beginning of the year. But so he's 24 I'm 53 my wife is 50, and we just bought tickets to the wild robot for tonight.

Jakob 51:36
Awesome. Yeah, super excited. I just

Scott Benner 51:38
there's something about going to a movie and sitting in a theater with a bunch of strangers that I know, if I met personally, I would hate we sit there, you know, with the same like, focus, same goal. Like, there's this one thing we all have in common, like, we like to go sit in dark places with a group of people and watch a movie, and doesn't matter, like, who they're voting for, or, you know, how they eat, or, you know, anything like, right? Like, the guy five over for me could be a giant racist, and I wouldn't know, because he loves Godzilla too. And, like, you know, so for like, two hours, you just a lot of parity. And I like that, yeah. So anyway, I love going to the movies. Oh, I can't,

Jakob 52:17
I can't sit there for that long. I'm too add for that,

Scott Benner 52:21
what's the longest movie you've ever sat through?

Jakob 52:25
I mean, I can sit and binge watch the entire Star Wars sagas and Harry Potter, no problem. No, not in a theater. Most of the movies I watch are at home. My wife tries to get me to go to the movies most the time, and I'm like, I'm gonna fall asleep.

Scott Benner 52:42
No kidding. I'm pretty sure the longest movie I've ever seen in the theater would be bitches, the hamlet, directed by Kenneth. How do you say it? Branagh, um, like, or late, mid 90s. It had to have been over four hours. Oh yeah, we saw it in the theater. There was a, there was a an intermission, but only because I'm old enough to have gone to movies when the movies were on film, like on, you know, they had to switch the film out. Yeah, they had to switch it because it wasn't like the the reel wasn't big enough to hold the whole film, yeah, but yeah. So a movie was awesome. I love that movie. My I remember my wife, we boy, we weren't either just about to get married or just gotten married. She was so sick, and I was like, we can leave, you know? And she's like, No, this movie's so good. She sat there with a box of tissues, and we watched it. Awesome. Awesome movie if you've never seen it, nevertheless, not the point. Yeah, your whole generation, like, You guys suck. I don't, you know, like, I can't just sit there. I'll watch it at home. It's not the same,

Jakob 53:51
yeah, trust me, it's I sit there, I coach high school sports, and I look at like, the kids that are in high school now, and I'm like, your generation sucks. I don't understand. So it's, yeah, it's every generation thinks that. Well, I

Scott Benner 54:05
also, I also keep up, listen, I'll tell you something. I don't pay for a lot of stuff, but I pay for the premium YouTube. I don't watch YouTube ads. I use YouTube enough that it's worth $20 a month for me not to watch ads. Yeah, yeah. So I think YouTube is awesome, like, for certain things. You know what I mean? Like, when you're trying to learn about stuff that's just outside of, like, you know what most people care about. So, you know, Netflix isn't gonna, you know, pony up for a series on or something like that, exactly. I think that's awesome. Like, you know, I'm looking at a very, very healthy chameleon staring at me. He's staring at me like, I don't know when this is over, buddy, but like, bring me a roach, and I know how to take care of him because of podcasts and YouTube. Yeah, that I learned a lifetime's worth of information in 30 days of trying.

Jakob 54:54
You can figure out anything on YouTube, if you I have found the end of YouTube a couple of times in my. Life,

Scott Benner 55:00
have you done that where you searched something you're interested in? You're like, I have seen all of this. Yep,

Jakob 55:06
everything's got the little red line at the bottom because you've watched it all already.

Scott Benner 55:10
Exactly. That's exactly, right? I had that feeling. I'm having that feeling right now because I don't want to say. I'm too I'm literally too embarrassed to say but I'm trying to, like, talk myself out of doing something by just, like, exhausting myself with it on YouTube. Does that make sense? Yeah, I've done that before. Like, if I just watch enough of it, I'll get sick of it, and then I won't do it, which I know I shouldn't do, but it really feels like I'm gonna do,

Jakob 55:39
yep, gotta. Gotta chase that. But

Scott Benner 55:42
then some of the similar like this, like simpler things, do I want to try to make sourdough bread one time? I do, but I don't want to figure out how to get a starter, and so I watched the videos, and I'm like, no good. I don't care. It's interesting.

Jakob 55:55
It's such a craze right now, the sourdough thing, I don't I don't know that I get it. Maybe it's because I've never enjoyed sourdough bread COVID. I think, yeah, every shift at work someone is bringing in sourdough bread that their wife was making. And I'm like, God, God, guys, can you stop? Can you Oh, you're just throw

Scott Benner 56:15
this away before you get to work. I mean, why do I push this on me constantly? Yeah, I listen, I started smoking meat because of COVID. Well, yeah,

Jakob 56:23
I think you get to a certain point as a father, and you either have to pick up smoking meats or World War Two history. So

Scott Benner 56:32
World War Two history, I'm not like, I'm not, I don't care about but submarine movies are awesome. I love a submarine movie I've seen. I think every movie that has a submarine, seriously, I haven't watched Das Boot on in German. I think every Oh, my God, like Crimson Tide. Have you ever seen Crimson Tide? No. Awesome movie. Awesome movie. Denzel Washington and Gene Hackman in his glory, ghost written by Quentin Tarantino. Like, okay, boy, it's good. And like, a I don't know, I don't know, what's wrong with you kids. You know, it's ridiculous. How old are you? 29

Jakob 57:19
I could be your father, yeah, yeah, yeah, I think, yeah, definitely good, yeah, that's

Scott Benner 57:25
insane. I mean, I would have been young, but, like, it definitely would have been a mistake. You immediately, 1,000,000% would have been, like, you know, made in the back seat of a car.

Jakob 57:39
Yeah, those are the best kids, though, right? Yeah,

Scott Benner 57:41
actually, I'm, I'm remembering that back seat and where I was and and the girl and I, you wouldn't have turned out. Well, I'm just gonna tell you that right

Jakob 57:50
now. Oh, god, okay, good. I'll stick with the parents I got. Would you 100%

Scott Benner 57:54
Yeah? No, no kidding. How about that? Oh, like, I just had a lovely memory. She was such a nice girl,

Jakob 57:59
yeah, but I wouldn't have had a great life. Okay, no, I don't think

Scott Benner 58:02
she was parenting the two. I want to be clear, she could have changed. She was great for other reasons. Yeah, she was, first of all, she was lovely and and she could have, I'm sure she could have shifted and had children, and they were probably very successful people. When I knew her, she was a little more focused on, you know, yeah, not serious adult things, which is, which is, yeah, yeah, exactly. She was a ton of fun. I'll tell you that. Okay, so that's pretty much it. What else, Jacob, have we not talked about? Anything we should have?

Jakob 58:35
I think we covered a lot of it. It's just, you know, I've made the big changes that have really impacted myself and made me better, healthier, more than anything, right? And learned a lot from myself and keep on. You know, it's never too late to reinvent yourself as a diabetic, right? Yeah, try and get that control back under you. I just want

Scott Benner 58:55
to say, Jacob, that that means a lot to me that you would come on here and share that. And I also think that I should say that if that girl ever hears this, I loved you so much, and I'm sorry you hate me. Whatever I did, I apologize. I'm sure an older me would not have done it, but I'm certain she probably still hates me. I'm assuming she hasn't thought about me in 30 years either, but probably not, yeah, just because it just popped into my head. Now, while you because, you know, because we went through that ridiculousness, and I was like, Oh, she was great. But I then I realized she's probably, if she heard this, she'd be like, Oh, well,

Jakob 59:25
I mean, it's like the girl that I threw up on multiple times in elementary school, she probably hasn't thought about me anymore, but she probably still has PTSD from that. Yeah, can

Scott Benner 59:34
you imagine? Wouldn't it be great if it's like a thing, like, not that she's upset by but that it's like, still a story for her, like she gets around people, and she's like, I don't know. Man, there was this kid, Jacob. He puked on me, like, twice in a week. I don't know what ever happened to him. You'd be like, I'm a fireman.

Jakob 59:53
The best part is, now that I'm thinking about it is after I came back to school, after being diagnosed, and I had, like, my. First low blood sugar during school, and they made someone walk with me down to the office. Was it her treat my yet my teacher made it be her. That's

Scott Benner 1:00:08
ridiculous. Did she not see what had happened? You guys are mortal. You're mortal, mortal, mortal enemies by that point, like just girls at home making like little dolls of you sticking pins at them, and probably you're lucky she didn't turn you down the wrong hallway and go, you'll be okay. Keep walking.

Jakob 1:00:29
No wonder she moved to Alabama the next year. What a

Scott Benner 1:00:32
little psychopath she would have been if she did that, by the way. You know what I mean? Yeah, I stuck him in a bathroom and I closed the door. I hope he's okay. He'll be fine. I just don't worry about it. She moved to Alabama. How do you remember that? I

Jakob 1:00:43
have one of those weird memories. Remember everything, the most ridiculous thing

Scott Benner 1:00:47
anyone's ever said on air. You're like, I remember with a girl in third grade moved to That's creepy, Jacob. I just want to say, Well, hey, what do we name in that next baby? Is it a boy or a girl? Do we know?

Jakob 1:01:01
We don't know yet. We she just did the blood test two days ago, so we should have results next week on gender and all of that stuff.

Scott Benner 1:01:09
Wow. May I suggest naming the baby ladder? Ladder? Yeah, because then it would be Jacob's Ladder, and that's a movie too. So that's all I got for you. There's no way you've seen Jacob's Ladder. No, the guy that was married to Susan Sarandon is in it for sure. You know, you're old when you Google something and it's not the first thing that comes up. It

Jakob 1:01:32
was the first thing that came up when I Googled it. It was filmed five years before I was born, 1990

Scott Benner 1:01:37
it says here, yeah, a psychological horror film. Yeah, yeah. Do I remember it right? Just who was in it? Tim Robbins. Tim Robbins was married, is right, married to Susan strand. Was married to Susan strand. Let's look. You don't know who either of those people are, so let me just look No, he was with her for a long time, but they were never married. 8898 they were together for like, 21 years. Isn't that interesting? You don't know who Tim Robbins is, do you? No, I don't have you seen Shawshank Redemption? No, oh, Jacob, I'm so sorry. Jacob, would you watch Shawshank Redemption for me this weekend,

Jakob 1:02:19
if only if you'll watch the Goonies. All

Scott Benner 1:02:22
right, I'll tell you what. Okay, damn it. I don't want to watch the Goonies so bad, but god damn it that. You know that movie sucks, right, doesn't it? No, it's a great movie. All right, I'm gonna, all right, listen to me. I'm not gonna check you on this, and I don't expect you to check me on this, but I promise to watch the Goonies if you watch Shawshank.

Jakob 1:02:43
Okay, well, I just googled it right here, and I'm looking at it, so it'll be on my list. It's gonna

Scott Benner 1:02:48
be one of the best movies you've ever seen. Okay, all right, I promise. All right, man, I'm gonna talk to you later. Hold on one second for me. Okay,

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Scott Benner 0:00
Welcome back, friends to another episode of The Juicebox Podcast.

Sandy Schwartz 0:15
Hi. This is Sandy Schwartz. I'm looking forward to my second time on Juicebox, I've lived with diabetes for 64 years.

Scott Benner 0:27
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Sandy Schwartz 2:11
Hi, this is Sandy Schwartz. I'm looking forward to my second time on Juicebox.

Scott Benner 2:18
You were on. What Episode Do you know the name of it,

Sandy Schwartz 2:22
the fighter. And you told me I was old.

Scott Benner 2:26
That's what you remember from that.

Sandy Schwartz 2:30
It's like, the second thing you said, why don't you tell people how old you are? Because the way you talk, they might want to know. And I was like, that head, and I got mad and said that I had just gone and stood in the Keith Urban concert for five hours. How dare you? And that's how you got the name, the fighter, the fighter. And then to follow that up, when I listened to it, I was like, damn, I do sound

Scott Benner 2:57
old. Tell people now. How old are you? 71 I live

Speaker 1 3:01
with diabetes for 64 years. Okay, okay,

Scott Benner 3:05
wow, that's a long ass time. Why don't we just jump right back in and tell people why you wanted to come back on because you sent me, I'll say this. You sent me an email, and I wondered if you were okay when you said,

Sandy Schwartz 3:20
Yes, I did. I sent you an email and said that I wanted to come and talk about mortality. Okay? Because after Jimmy Buffet died, here we go with another obsession of mine, I started realizing that my life would end someday.

Scott Benner 3:40
That really is what got it to you. No kidding, Jimmy Buffet passing well for the back story, yeah,

Sandy Schwartz 3:47
you can take chronic illness and you can ignore it, or you, and I don't mean ignore it, but you can not accept any limitations, or you can feel like your life is over. And I was a rebel. So I took care of myself, but I didn't let it stop me from doing anything. And so I used to work on a scuba boat in the 70s as a scuba diving boat, and once I heard Jimmy Buffet for the first time at a concert, I was like, this guy sings about my life, and so I have been a parent. Had like 30 concerts, every every Broadway show, duck political rallies, book readings, Facebook groups. And he was like, larger than life for a lot of us. And so the fact that he could die was like, Oh, my God, I can die too. Does this song live like Jimmy Buffet does? And that's kind of how I lived. Well, let

Scott Benner 4:50
me ask you a question. Then, why are you not at? I can't believe I know about this. Why are you not at meeting of the minds right now, it's different. Now, it feels different that he's gone. Yeah, I guess I'm still grieving. Wow. Okay, I did go to a local a local place last week where a local artist that I follow was singing, and he sang a lot of buffet for me, I just feel differently now. Okay, also, here we go. But those people are younger than me. You feel a little older now all of a sudden, yeah, but I'm

Sandy Schwartz 5:31
accepting it. I mean, it's been over a year. You know, it takes we have to grieve for a year. So I got my year.

Scott Benner 5:39
So this is gonna sound strange for a second, but a friend of mine plays drums in a Jimmy Buffet. I guess are they tribute bands?

Unknown Speaker 5:48
Yeah? Tribute temp rock, tropical rock.

Scott Benner 5:51
Yeah, that's why I know about the meeting of the minds. I would not have known about it otherwise had I not seen a friend of mine like on a plane a couple of days ago. Do you know Jimmy and the parrots? No, no. Okay. I wasn't sure how many of these bands there are, because they're playing at the festival, so I wasn't certain. Well,

Sandy Schwartz 6:07
they're they're good if they're playing there. Okay, all right, awesome. Okay, so

Scott Benner 6:11
you spend your life listening to this music that resonates with you, right? And you feel connected to the singer passes. What do you know how old he was when he died, 76 Okay, he's older than you, but not that much older than you, five years and Sandy, this is the first time you, like in your life, that you've thought life is finite or it's just it hit you differently this time.

Sandy Schwartz 6:35
No, it's not the first time. I think there's some unsaid rules on here that I think are healthy about talking about death, but I have lost four good friends to complications of diabetes, and I think there's a caveat there. We were all diagnosed in the 60s and 70s. People who are diagnosed today, I think, can have a normal lifespan to the most part if they take care of themselves. So I'm not saying that to put fear in anyone Sure. Of course, I've faced more mortality. You know, if you go to the doctor and you get if the eye doctor tells me I have one little sign of background, retinopathy, I'm like, Oh, my God, I'm gonna die tomorrow. You know, I You can't help but that. But there was just something about this big, huge part of my life, and it's crazy because my dad died, and he lived with me for 20 years, and we were very close, but he wasn't my contemporary and my friends with diabetes who died. It wasn't shocking. I don't know. It's hard to say, Yeah, I can't come on here and just talk about death, that it's so morbid. And so I started thinking about psychological responses to diabetes, since I'm a psychologist, and I thought that when I read a lot on the Facebook pages, or when I read the Facebook pages, often I worry about both, or I'm concerned about both the caretakers, mostly the parents and the kids, and sometimes the older people with diabetes, but mostly the caretakers and the kids, because of my experiences growing up with diabetes, which I've come to realize are very different today for children Because of the treatment, but so I thought maybe it would be good instead of talking about the physical nature of diabetes, to talk about the psychological, yeah, okay,

Scott Benner 8:51
I'm up for what you're up for. I had a great time when you were on last time. I find you to be really thoughtful. And I mean, no lie, about a month ago, you just sent me an email that just said, Let's do a podcast about thinking about death. And I answered back and asked what you had in mind, and when you talked about, you know, in your email a number of different things, but it just felt like stuff was kind of piling up on you. Is that fair to say, like the Jimmy Buffet loss and then this thing about you going to Jocelyn to get your you called it your pre death workup. What was that? Yeah, should we talk about that? Yeah, I want to know, because it's not something I'd ever heard of before. When I tell you about cozy Earth, I'm usually talking about the discount use Juicebox at checkout to save 40% I don't think I take enough time to tell you about the quality of their products, superior softness and enhanced fabric that is durable and won't pill. It's guaranteed for 10 years. Temperature regulation, the cozier, the sheets that I have are incredibly breathable. You're going to sleep several degrees cooler than. Normal. These products are made responsibly. They're durable, and there is a commitment to quality, so much so that you will get 100 night sleep trial on the sheets and a 10 year warranty. Why don't you let cozy Earth create a sanctuary within your home? That's your time. You want to be comfortable sitting in those sheets or lounging in your joggers? Maybe you've just returned from the gym or completed a hard day of work, jump into the shower and the next thing you know, you're drying yourself off. You feel like a princess. That's how I feel. I feel like a princess when I dry myself off with those towels. I really do same as when I get into the bed and when I put on these great clothes, cozy earth.com. Use the offer code Juicebox at checkout, you will save 40% off of the bamboo sheets, the bath sheets, or whatever else you decide to buy@cozyarth.com Today's episode is sponsored by Medtronic diabetes, who is making life with diabetes easier with the mini med 780 G system. The mini med 780 G automated insulin delivery system anticipates, adjusts and corrects every five minutes. Real world results show people achieving up to 80% time and range with recommended settings, without increasing lows. But of course, Individual results may vary. The 780 G works around the clock, so you can focus on what matters. Have you heard about Medtronic, extended infusion set? It's the first and only infusion set labeled for up to a seven day wear. This feature is repeatedly asked for, and Medtronic has delivered. 97% of people using the 780 G reported that they could manage their diabetes without major disruptions of sleep. They felt more free to eat what they wanted, and they felt less stress with fewer alarms and alerts you can't beat that. Learn more about how you can spend less time and effort managing your diabetes by visiting Medtronic diabetes.com/juicebox

Sandy Schwartz 11:56
Okay, so Jocelyn has a program when you've had diabetes for 50 years or more, that you can get a ad. You know, I got my 50 year metal and thought, Why did I do this? But along with that, they invite you to come there for testing, so you can be part of a study. And I had never done it for one reason or another. I mean, I wanted to they had some issues in their program where they kind of fell off the wagon for a while. A friend of mine's husband died, and he left his body to something called, I think it's called Genesis, and it's a program where they use your body or your organs for teaching, and then they send your family, they cremate you and send the remains, and then you do what you want. And I thought, wow, I should give my body to diabetes research. So I called Jocelyn, and to make a long story short, I went to Boston. They put you up at a hotel next to Johns Hopkins, or wherever they are. It's in that big Medical Center in Boston. It's not Johns Hopkins, because that's a Maryland but anyway, you pay for your ticket and they reimburse you up to $1,000 and so I went to Boston. I went on a Sunday, I found out where their art district was. I went to a art festival and artists workshops, and ate seafood for every meal, and and did my what I called my pre death workup. So they studied my brain, my kidneys, my eyes, and I got this incredible MRI, where they gave they gave me different shots, chemicals, IV to do different things, like get my heart racing, to look at my digestion, to whatever they looked at, I got a great report from it. I don't mean great, like, positive, although it was positive, but I mean things that I didn't even know I had. Like, I have a lot of indigestion, and I take medicine for that, and they said I had a hiatal hernia. I'm like, Oh, no wonder. So now when I die, I have a phone number that my family is supposed to call, so I took my organ donation thing off of my driver's license so that now what happens is Jocelyn sends someone to the funeral home to harvest what they want, and then my family does what they want with the rest of me. I mean, I'm going to be. Cremated and put in the ocean with a program called the Neptune society, with all my dogs whose ashes I have, but that has nothing to do with Jocelyn. That's just me. Yeah, that's

Scott Benner 15:11
your wishes. You're going to have your ashes put in the ocean along with all all the pets you've had through your life. Yeah. Oh, it's lovely. Did it feel like a big leap to do this, to donate portions of yourself for research?

Sandy Schwartz 15:27
Just felt like the right, you know, I wore the first insulin one of the first six adults to wear an insulin pump in 1979 for research, I participate in research and diabetes research a lot, and since I wanted to be cremated anyway, it seemed like the right thing to do. Calling it my pre death workup was a reality. I think,

Scott Benner 15:51
do you feel like you're I mean, this is a weird question, because nobody knows when they're going to die, but do you feel like you're dying soon, or do you just feel like you're now just Ultra aware of it.

Sandy Schwartz 16:00
No, I do not feel like I'm dying soon. My father lived. He was nine over 95 and I am super healthy, but I think there's a time in your life when you don't really think about it. Or maybe for me, I've always felt kind of immortal, which I'm not sure is that healthy, but it's just who I am. Yeah, and I don't think it's right or wrong, it's just who I am. And I just think that's a time in your life when you see the people around you not be as healthy, or maybe, you know, lose their life, and you think, wow, those are my contemporaries? No,

Scott Benner 16:42
and you don't talk about it much, right? But, you know, because of all the thing, all the things that you've done, the research and community stuff, like, you know a number of people with with type one through your life,

Sandy Schwartz 16:53
I know a number of people, yeah, I've worked in the industry. And people with type one tend to work, you know, tend to gravitate toward that. So, yeah, I know a bunch of people.

Scott Benner 17:05
So then the psychological part of this that you want to talk about, I don't know how to lead you through this. So you said you made notes. I guess I just like to hear them. Well,

Sandy Schwartz 17:16
it all stems from, I, I follow you on Facebook more than I listen to the podcast, but I do listen to the podcast, and like I said, I react strongly, sometimes to the parents who have let diabetes affect their family as much as they have. So I start thinking about grief, and I think once you get a diagnosis of any chronic illness, you might grieve if you break your arm, because I might not be able to go scuba diving for a month. But that's just acute it goes away. It's no big deal. You forget it. But the chronic, chronicity of diabetes, of course, you're going to grieve. I mean, it would be crazy if you didn't grieve the person who is losing the lifestyle they had previously, and the caretakers of the person who is losing the lifestyle they didn't have previously. So accepting the fact that you're going to grief is important, not resisting it, not denying it, but allowing yourself to go through the whole grief responses is normal, natural, important, unless it doesn't go away, unless it's just chronic, the grief, not just the illness, but the grief.

Scott Benner 18:52
And I see a lot of people

Sandy Schwartz 18:56
who continue grieving. They don't get through the grief,

Scott Benner 19:00
right? Well, let me ask you professionally, then, is that something that a person has control over? Do you think? Yes,

Sandy Schwartz 19:08
I think people have control over their emotions, okay? And if they can't, they need to get help with it. Animals don't grieve. They accept, oh, I'm talking about like other animals, other than humans, to our knowledge, but they they live every day, and if a dog hurts their leg, they start limping right or if they lose a leg, they learn to walk on three legs. They still chase squirrels. But we're humans, and so we go through the psychological process that often we need help with. And of course, it's normal and natural to understand that life is going to be different than it was yesterday, and as far as we know, it's going to be long term forever, until it's not when people. People aren't resilient when they let that change the positivity in their life. It concerns me, and it concerns me because they model that for their children. I

Scott Benner 20:12
sometimes think that it's not even the loss of something specific, it's more of the loss of possibility, or the idea of possibility, like they don't know. Like I was just listening back to an interview I did recently where this woman said, you know, my kid was diagnosed, and when I found a community, it was very helpful to me, because I saw people out there just being vibrant and living. And then she thought, Okay, well, then the things I thought my daughter was going to lose, maybe she won't lose. But when I pressed her about what she thought her daughter was going to lose, she didn't really know. She was just fearful that something had changed. And therefore, this thing, or things that were coming in the future that she couldn't put words to, because she wasn't certain of what they were going to be but they but she was for sure, certain they just weren't going to happen anymore. I think that's why people like seeing athletes that have type one, for example, did any mean like they go, Oh, okay, well, they're doing it. Then it's okay. Then, right? But you're saying that some people have that feeling and never break out of it, but they could, if they had help, if they didn't know how. I mean, how would you break out of it if you didn't need help just move on? Is that?

Sandy Schwartz 21:26
Well, I think you do a good job with your work. I mean, there's modeling happening from the people who have moved on, from the people who do learn to integrate diabetes into their lifestyle, instead of making it the biggest thing in their life, the people who accept it, the people who still go to Disney World, the people who allowed their children to play sports, the people that find a way to to make diabetes part of their life.

Scott Benner 21:57
Yeah, I mean, you just did it really. You just said, I'm 71 I flew to Boston to do this thing, which is so kind of you to do for everybody with diabetes, but then you're like, Well, I found an art festival and I went out and I ate food and I hung it out The Art Festival. Like to me, I think that if I was a parent of someone who was recently diagnosed, or an adult who thought, like, I can't get my life together, you know, because of this thing, I'd hear you say that and think, Oh, well, she did it. I could do it too, but then that's just how I work, right? So I think there are some people who hear that and think, Well, she did it, but she's special somehow. Or I bet she doesn't have the kind of diabetes that I have or, you know, and that's why I always wonder about how much of people's ability to believe that it's going to be okay is rooted in the care that they receive, or the understanding they have about how their insulin works. That's why, I think that's the most important piece of it, understanding how the insulin works, right?

Sandy Schwartz 22:49
How To Become An external pancreas when you don't have an internal or when you don't have endogenous insulin production, how you can use exogenous insulin production yourself produce? Well, it's not production, but how can you use it to mimic everything you had before? Yeah,

Scott Benner 23:10
because you're not afraid to walk out into Boston, buy food you've never had before, have exercise and get involved in situations that you're not really certain of how they're going to go. But you know how to take care of your diabetes. When

Sandy Schwartz 23:23
you said that, I was like, what I never even thought of that. I mean, I was like, What's he talking about? Diabetes is part of who I am. It's It's just what I do. Yes, I would never think about not going to an art festival or eating lobster every night because I have diabetes, I I'll deal with the fat when it happens or not, because now my pump will take care of it eventually.

Scott Benner 23:51
Yeah, yeah. But could that be because that when you were first diagnosed, honestly, maintenance really was just like giving yourself an injection in the morning, so you weren't really that aware of the intricacies of it. And, you know, if you got dizzy, you drank something, and that's kind of it, right, like, so that was diabetes for a while, and then you had it for a while. You were you didn't have big problems. Technology and insulin came along. It got easier and easier, and now you don't think about it. But I'm saying a person diagnosed yesterday. Don't you think they go out and they think, Well, what if my kid needs something and I don't have it, or, like, anything, like, you know, fast acting glucose, what if they have a seizure and I pull out the glucagon, I drop it and it breaks, or, you know, I forgot it in the car, something like that. Like, I think those. I think people think about all of that in the beginning, and I do think they can not let it go, but maybe just meld it into, like moving. There was a time in my life where if my daughter was like, Hey, let's go out today, and we're gonna, I don't, we're gonna go to the mall, and I'd say, well, which mall are we gonna go to if we're gonna go to the one that's close to our. House, then let's just go. But if we're going to go to the one that's 45 minutes away, then maybe we should bring insulin and, you know, a pump change. And if we're going to bring a pump, let's bring a CGM, because if something goes wrong, I don't want us to have to leave. And that's happened in our lives. Like, we've driven an hour and a half from our home and had a pump failure, for example, like, you know, a site just goes bad, and then if you have it with you, it still sucks, because you got to go out to the car and do the thing, and it interrupts your day, but at least it's a couple of minutes you're back at it again. But I've also had it happen, where we were just we weren't prepared, and then you stop what you're doing, get into your car and drive the hour and a half home to change your pump the whole time watching your blood sugar go up and up and up and up and up because you don't have your insulin pump, etc. Like I think people think about that stuff, and I don't imagine that it strikes you the same way. Of course it does. It does strike you that way. Oh my

Sandy Schwartz 26:00
gosh. I never leave the house without at least a syringe so I can get insulin out of the pump if the pump fails and I can take insulin, I never leave without fast acting carbohydrates. They're all over my car, my purse, my everywhere. But

Scott Benner 26:17
you don't you're not worried by it or upset by it. You just do it. It's just the thing you do, right or no,

Sandy Schwartz 26:24
yes, I'm not worried or upset by it, but I I used to say that taking care of my diabetes is the most important thing I do. Taking care of my job is the second most important thing I do, and taking care of my son is the third, because if I don't take care of my diabetes. I can't work, and if I don't work, I can't take care of my child. I mean, it is the most important thing in my life, but I don't you're not burdened by it. It's not a burden, right? It's not a burden. It's a pleasure. Because, finish that thought, because it keeps me healthy, because I'm good at it, because I want to live because I want to live healthy, because I don't want complications, because it's part of who I am, because it's just what I did.

Scott Benner 27:10
So are there people out there who don't have that, I mean, because it keeps me healthy, because I want to live, like, what if I'm out there and I'm not thrilled about life to begin with, and then diabetes comes along and you're like, Oh, well, now there's, you know, all this, I gotta put all this work in just to be healthy for a life I'm not enjoying anyway. Does that matter? Yeah, it would be very sad, right? But I think there are some people that are in that situation. I don't think there's, I mean, I don't think there's as many as not, but I do think some people are in that situation. I also think or wonder, I guess, I guess, I wonder a lot about how much of what I see online is newer diagnosed people, or people who are so frazzled by all this, and they finally figured out that there's, there might be an answer out there, and they're looking for it now. And so when you catch them in that moment of newly diagnosed or very confused, that it feels like everyone's like that. But I just think, I don't think that's the case. I just think those are sometimes the people who speak up because they're the most scared and looking for answers because, like, you said something earlier, that people say all the time, like I see parents doing I see these group of people doing something, and I just wonder, if that group is not like I wonder, is it smaller than I think it is larger than I think it is, or is it as it seems? Does that make sense? I hear

Sandy Schwartz 28:34
what you're saying. I'm not sure. Yeah, I don't I think that people either resist or resent or fear illness, diabetes, disability, or judge it like maybe in the past, they've judged people with a disability, and now they have one, and they're judging themselves. I don't know if where that continuum is between reject and accept. And I think it is a continuum. I think people could draw a line and put reject on the left, accept on the right, and they could put a.on that line where they are with diabetes, and then maybe put a star or a line or something where they'd like to be and and work toward making their life better, accepting their diabetes, modeling accepting for their children. I mean, if they freak out, because let's see what was the most recent thing? Oh, there was a lady on the Facebook page about co parenting, and I felt so bad for her when I first read it, because her husband didn't take care of their child the way she would, and she watched the numbers. To me, it seemed that he was doing an adequate job. It doesn't work. Just wasn't the way she would so I felt badly for her. At first I thought, Oh, that's horrible. What would I do? And then I thought, well, she can't change it. I mean, the kid's not going to die, and if she can't work it out with him, it's going to cause her a lot of grief to worry about it.

Scott Benner 30:21
It'll transfer over to the kid too at some point. Because people used to ask me, like, well, you know, what's this podcast going to be about when Arden goes off to college and you're not as involved with her and everything? And I mean, God, I almost said my journey. That really makes me sound like I feel, I know, but it makes me feel stupid saying that. But it is your journey? No, I know our

Sandy Schwartz 30:42
life is ever is our journey, yeah? And it involves taking care of a child with type one diabetes, right? Yeah.

Scott Benner 30:48
Well, part of that journey for me is realizing, and by the way, I always realize this, but it's accepting that Arden's not going to do this exactly the way I did it. And then it makes me think of the story you just told, because no one's going to do it exactly the way you're going to do it. So whether that's you and a spouse or you and a kid like you can make that argument when they're younger, like, look, it's, you know, they're under 18. There's going to be a a level of, I don't know, effort or, you know, or outcomes that we're going to shoot for, and we're gonna, we're gonna push towards them. And if we don't, if we don't put in that effort, I'm gonna speak up, because I'm the parent, we're gonna make sure that we push towards that effort. But there just will be a day they'll just, they'll leave, you know what I mean? Like, what if it's to go to college, or if it's to, you know, leave your home and get married or whatever it is, like, one day they're not going to live with you, and then they're going to do it the way they do it. And if you can't be accepting of that, then that's puts you in that, that position that you were talking about, of just it'll drive you crazy, because you're old, you know what I mean, to struggle? Yeah, no. And especially, by the way, there are going to be times when you're right and the person isn't doing an adequate job for themselves, and maybe they've made a decision that, you know, this is the level of health they're accepting of. I'm not talking specifically about Arden and not saying her name. I'm just saying, like, this is a thing that I'm aware of now. It's happening, and before it was all academic, I was like, one day she'll grow up, and she might tell me, like, ah, leave me alone. You know what I mean? Or I'm, this is good enough for I'm, I'm on top of it. You might not like the way it's being handled, but I'm handling it. And if you can't accept that, like quickly, you cause a real divide in your relationship, and that, that doesn't help anything either.

Sandy Schwartz 32:32
You know, oh no. Totally agree. Yeah. So if we, if we think about the co parenting or your relationship with Arden, or whether or not your child's gonna play sports, or all the things we've already mentioned, I think it's a priority. So with the co parenting, if your child sees you frustrated with your spouse or your ex spouse, and that that's the primary thing, then you're going to cause issues between the parents, which is going to cause issues with the child. So it's a priority. What's most important? It's also modeling, yeah, your behavior. We model for our children, the way we are is the way our kids become, for better or worse,

Scott Benner 33:22
right? No, for sure, it could even go ways you don't expect. Like, let's say, you know, your kid's 13, the, you know, in this example, the the mother saying, well, the father doesn't do a good enough job, and I'm mad at them because of that. And that is something that the kid sees, and everybody sees. And then what happens if one day the kid grows up to be more of a manager of diabetes, like the father than the mother? Then what you what you've been saying then for years, is the way your dad does this, I'm not okay with I don't like this, and it's caused friction between us. You don't realize that if the kid starts doing it that way, the kid is going to immediately feel like that's how you feel about them. That's a good example, yeah, and I know that through parenting, I see that's that all the time, so And

Sandy Schwartz 34:08
you're also generalizing feelings about the other parent, right? So you're generalizing feelings about the Father, and then the child might choose to take sides, and you're just causing a rift that doesn't need to be there.

Scott Benner 34:22
Yeah. Again, sticking with the example of the mother like Now you look like the crazy one to the Father and to the kid, because they're like, I'm living fine. You're the one who's yelling and screaming about all this not being okay, and it's not being done well enough. Also, by the way, I don't know the example that you're referring to, maybe they're not doing a good job like you, you feel like their father was doing an adequate job. But what is adequate? You know, when we're talking about, like, the seriousness of of diabetes complications, so I don't know if

Sandy Schwartz 34:52
they don't give insulin or they don't treat lows, then you know, you need to go back to court. Yeah, it is so dope. Difficult, like, where is that line? Where do you say, oh, no, this isn't good enough, or this is going to kill my child, if it's not good enough, and if it's going to potentially kill someone, then you got to go back to court.

Scott Benner 35:12
Yeah? But also, there's the unknown part of it again, which I again, I think makes up maybe the most difficult aspect of it, which is, like, you know, you went got your check over, and your stuff looks good, right? Kidneys look good. This looks good. That looks good. That could be random luck. You don't even mean that could be random genetic luck. There could be a person out there that takes significantly better care of themselves than you did, who will have complications that you don't have, or vice versa. There might be people out there just like and it, for some reason, it doesn't touch them the same way.

Sandy Schwartz 35:46
Oh no. It's, it's medically, it's, it's not, it's random, and it's definitely, I did a terrible job. For 19 years, we didn't have an A 1c we didn't have a blood glucose meter. We had nothing. My first A, 1c after 19 years was, well, if, if we extrapolated into today's terms, it probably was 1213, I've lived like that for 19 years. It is luck. It's also has to do with comorbidities. I mean, my blood pressure is good, my cholesterol is good. I have survivor's guilt because of people who succumb to this disease or have complications from the disease, yeah. But Scott, I have two other chronic illnesses, and they aren't so good. And so it's a matter of accepting and learning to live with them and treating them rather than freaking out about them and thinking that they're going to kill you instead of you controlling them. Are you willing to share what those are? You might as well just call it asthma. But it's not. It's intrinsic asthma. Bronchiecta says I take steroids every day. Wow. On the days that I take the same amount every day, my insulin, you know, I've compensated for it the same way you would with with food, kind of like you would with high fat food, right? But on the days where I need to take a lot of steroids for different reasons, like this weekend I'm going to go get with my flu shot. Well, I can't get my flu shot without taking a front load of steroids, because I have horrible reactions to the flu shot because I'm immunosuppressed. So I will take a bunch of steroids. I'll go get my flu shot. I'll put my pump on auto mode. I'll put one of my basal rates that I have set for that, and if my blood sugars aren't great, they aren't great, it's just what I do. Yeah, if I have to go to the hospital because I can't breathe, I walk in the hospital. I tell them what I need. They do what I tell them, and I deal with it. It's not diabetes. If I if I had a choice to get rid of diabetes, or let's just call it asthma, I would definitely choose asthma. Wow. It's that impactful for you. It's that impactful because of how it affects my diabetes. What's the other thing? I have horrible osteoporosis from long term steroid use so I can break bones easily. I have to be careful. I It's just more careful than than you would need to be normally, yeah, but it's not like something I think about every day like that as smart diabetes. Teddy, you're gonna

Scott Benner 38:35
be one of you gonna be that 100 year old lady on the local news smoking cigarettes on her birthday, being like, Hey, I did it.

Sandy Schwartz 38:41
I don't smoke cigarettes, but I'll be on Juicebox when I'm 100 I don't

Scott Benner 38:45
know if you make it to 100 you might want to take up smoking. You might want to see what. What else can I do? You know what I mean? Oh, my gosh. Well, I would love to have you back on when you were 100 I hope I can listen. Let's hope I can stay alive that long. What would that make me 7383? She'd be fine. Yeah, I'd be fine. You let's hope I'm trying to, I'm trying to stay alive, you know. Okay, I don't know if we're getting to your to your reason for coming, though, or if you're just enjoying the conversation. I don't want to, I don't want to not help you talk about what you talked about. Because again, to go back to this email, I said things kind of piled up on you. There was Jimmy Buffet, then there was the thing at Joslyn. And then you emailed me because, like, in a response, like, Maggie Smith had passed away, and even that seemed like it had had like a like an impact on you. Well, then you started talking about your friends who had diabetes complications that you don't mention online and stuff like that. And it just felt like it, I mean, it gets heavy, I guess, at some point,

Sandy Schwartz 39:40
right? But this doesn't need to be my personal therapy session. So I started thinking about facing mortality, but then I thought that is not significant for your group.

Scott Benner 39:54
Really? Do you think because they have a a different management. A plan than you had when you were younger. No, I

Sandy Schwartz 40:02
think it's because they're young and their parents or their their I mean, this is not the 50 years plus diabetes group, so I thought this is probably not relatable, and it might be just scary for the for your population. So then I started thinking about, well, what about that mortality? What can we talk about that might be relatable? And I, I mean, I'm a psychologist, and I read it's not just about behavior. People think it's taking care of diabetes as a behavior, but there's also the emotional part, and I think that it's just as important, or maybe more important, or longevity. And really, you know, the mind and the body work together. If you walk around being fearful or grieving or depressed or in denial or angry about diabetes. How does that affect you emotionally, and does that affect your longevity? So I think it morphed into more than my own mortality, and morphed into what would be relatable for Juicebox,

Scott Benner 41:18
yeah. Well, what did you come up with that you think is relatable besides what we've spoken

Sandy Schwartz 41:22
about already, all those things I just said, to live your life where diabetes is most important, so that you can be happy, so you can go to the fair. Do you

Scott Benner 41:34
see that thought kind of corresponding with because I think the way I talk about it is, I say that if you put in, like, a little bit of effort up front, that everything else gets easier. But I mean, I don't just mean blood sugars, I mean everything else, right? I don't know if it's commensurate to but you don't, you don't jump in your car to go on a, you know, on a on a nine hour drive with a quarter of a tank of gas, and just start off, you know, you go to the gas station, you fill up, and you clean your windshield, and you make sure your hair, you know, the tires, have air in them the way they should. And then you drive away like and now you don't think about those things anymore. They've been handled. And I do think about, I guess, a lot of things like that, but diabetes, especially like if you take the time up front to understand how the insulin works and get your settings right, and stay flexible as you're growing and your needs are changing, and just do the things you need to do first, then the rest of the day is just easier, and which makes the rest of the week easier, which makes the rest of the year easier. I say it as much as I can, because I believe heartily in what you said earlier, like modeling is how we get everything done like you don't accomplish anything by telling people what to do. I just don't think that works. So, you know, you stand out in front of them and you just, you know, you follow. What do you do? You lead by example, right? Except, and you hope people and I see it sometimes. Somebody said online the other day, I used to be mad at Scott because of how relaxed he seemed about his daughter's diabetes. But now I realize, like, I think they said, they went back and listened to the earlier podcast and realized that it wasn't, I wasn't always like that, that it was a process. Of

Sandy Schwartz 43:13
course, it's a process and it's hard. It's hard work. I mean, I don't minimize how much energy I put into taking care of myself, I just incorporate that into who I am. It's not separate. It's who I am. It's just what I do. I mean, people say you get up, you brush your teeth, and then you take your insulin. Well, it's a lot more than that, but you don't think about not brushing your teeth, right? I'm not dismissing how hard it is, or if it sounds like I am, I don't mean to dismiss how hard it is. It's It's freaking hard. It's just I have made it so much a part of who I am that I don't know how to do it any differently. I ran a therapy group at the University of Florida in 1979 The same year, I wore my first insulin pump and took my blood glucose for the first time. So I was on a huge learning curve then, and a girl in the group who it was a group for chronic illness and disability, and she had a physical illness, and she used crutches, and she resented she was beautiful, smart, but she resented walking on those crutches so much, and she asked in the group one day, if you could give up diabetes, would you And I had never thought about it, and that was 19 years after I was diagnosed, and I had never thought about it, and I didn't know what to say, and I told her I'd tell her next week, and I went to therapy about it, because part of me was like, hell yes, and the other part of me was. Who would I be?

Scott Benner 45:00
Yeah, I've heard that response from people a lot actually, like, this is so much a part of who I am that I don't know what would happen if it all just disappeared. It might feel like loss. I think it's important to point out that the amount of effort that you put into your diabetes and that everybody does who's you know? Well, let me just say you for now. Okay, the the amount of effort that you put in to be healthy is probably the level of effort we should all be putting into ourselves to be healthy, diabetes or not. And I've heard people say that. I've heard people say I'm grateful for diabetes because it forced me to take care of myself. And I think I'm healthier today with diabetes, and I may have been without it, which, again, is a thing you're going to need to be through your journey a long time before you can have that, that thought, that idea, deserves some thought, right? Because there's people running around unhealthily all over the place, and because they don't have diabetes, you just think of them as, oh, they're healthy, they're fine, but you don't know what their end is going to be. You don't know how far they're going to make it, or what's going to befall them. Maybe finding out about your diabetes, for a lot of people, helps. Maybe it speeds up some people's demise too. I'm certain it does, of course, yeah. But who are you going to be in that? I mean, if that's the game, who are you going to be in the game like I think that's the personal decision you need to make. And maybe if we talked about it, more and more people would be open to making that decision. So I don't see this as a bummer of a conversation. I think some people won't listen to it, but for those that do and decide, you know, maybe I gotta lift up my head a little more than I do normally, whether that's a parent like me, or, you know, a person living with diabetes like yourself, like, like, you know, that's it, right? Like, life's a grind, and you gotta grind. It's not gonna get my my son was in here the other day, and I said, You having a good day? And he goes, I'm not sure if I've ever had a good day. I said, What's that? And he said, you know, like one of those days where you wake up and everything just works out great. Works out great. I was like, Oh, if that's how you're measuring a good day, then yeah, maybe you've never had maybe no one's ever had one. That's

Sandy Schwartz 47:08
interesting. Yeah, I think I'd like to add to what you said about working hard at diabetes, that you can work at heart at diabetes and you can resent it, or you can work hard at diabetes and you can accept it, and even if you work hard at diabetes, but you resent it, if not your health, but if not your physical health, but definitely your mental health, is going to be worse than if you work at diabetes and just accept it,

Scott Benner 47:37
I think you could resent it and still be proud of Your effort, and that even might be valuable, you know, like, but I take your point like resenting anything being angry through your life. I don't know, Sandy, if there's, you know, actual research that would tell you this or not, but I mean, I think it like you said, Mind, body goes together. If you're run around, tired, angry, resentful all the time. I think it's going to have a poor outcome on your faith, you know, on your life. Of course, yeah,

Sandy Schwartz 48:05
your mind and your body are all one, and the dichotomy that we place on that in the western world is a death sentence, one way or another. I mean, let's be happy. Let's we get one life. Let's live it. Whatever we have to do, yeah, to make it to make it our own, to make it good, we

Scott Benner 48:26
do sort of have, probably because of as much contact as we have with like, you know, social media and content. Like, right, you can there's no shortage of people's opinions and arguments and everything. Like, we do have an outrage culture, where being outraged about something is part of a lot of people's day to day. You know, politics. Who knows what? You know some geez, I've never seen people be angrier about things that I can't This is my son and I were talking about this last night. He goes, Dad, I saw one of those cyber trucks. He goes, I thought it looked really cool. And he said, but man, some people are really angry about how it looks. And I said, some people are really angry because of the politics of the guy that owns the company. And I said, it's so interesting because I have a refrigerator and I have a car and I have an oven and I have furniture, I own, all these things I don't know the first thing about the CEO of any of those companies. You know what I mean, like, like the guy who runs the company that made my television could be a monster. I have no idea. But the guy who makes Tesla is runs around yelling his his opinions out loud, where you can see them on social media, and now people either love him or hate him. Some of that anger you see towards that car could literally just be because of the guy. But when I stop and think about it, I don't understand why anybody's got the energy for that. Do you know what I mean? Like, I don't know if that makes sense or not. Like, I don't have the energy for that. Like, I needed a sofa. I bought one that I thought looked like it was gonna hold up. I hope the guy who ran the company. He's not a, you know, a lunatic, but if he is, I don't know if I have the time in my life to find that out. I don't that makes sense or not, but no,

Sandy Schwartz 50:09
I mean, you've said two things while you were talking that interest me. One is outrage culture, and the way you put it, I haven't thought about it, but you're right. We do live in an outrage culture, and the division is is bad. But the other thing you said which interests me even more, and it's probably because I don't I've thought about it. I love hearing you talk about your son, because Arden gets so much attention that I often wonder how the other children, and not just jurors, but families of children with diabetes, how the other children feel. So I love that. Twice during this conversation, you've said something about your son, yeah,

Scott Benner 50:54
no. I mean, he's a I love him. He's I love hanging around him and talking to him and hearing his thoughts about things and sharing mine. And I love seeing where, what? Sometimes I say something and he's like, yeah, and then other times he goes, Oh, I think you're off on that. Like we've built a relationship where if he thinks I'm wrong, he tells me it's not in a shitty way. You know what I mean? I feel helped by him as much as I hope he feels by me. Going back to the outrage idea, it trickles down through everything. You know, insulin pump company says they're going to make an app and it comes out three months later than they say it's going to you might think that they, I don't know, like, set the world on fire, the way, you the anger that comes from people. They said this was going to be out in June. It's June. It's not here. And I'm like, Oh, my God, you're fine. Just relax. Like the thing will come out eventually,

Sandy Schwartz 51:38
right? And the reason it hasn't come out is because there's glitches. Please fix those before it comes out.

Scott Benner 51:43
Let's not send it out beforehand or whatever. Like you don't know why it's held up, but it is. I watched my wife have a thing at work. It got held up, and she had to go into a meeting where people were like, all up in arms. This thing didn't happen on time. I get to see her at work, and she's in the, you know, she's in there, and she's trying to explain it to people and everything. And finally, she just has to stop and say, like, look, the guy that was running this died. We're trying to get it together. Like, you know what I mean? Like, you don't know why stuff happens. Like, it's so simple to step back and go, Oh, they're not trying hard enough, or they should have just hired more people. Or, you know, like, you don't know what's happening, and maybe sometimes it is. People are inept, but you know what? Like? That's why I lean so hard in my life on that, that parable, the this is water, which David Foster Wallace gave that commencement speech. As part of the commencement speech, it's got to be like, 20 some years old by now. You can find it on YouTube. It's called, this is water. You can listen to it, but part of the commencement speech, he just delivers to these people the idea of like, you don't know why other people are doing what they're doing. They might have a really good reason, and they might not. But what good is it to you to assume they have bad intentions? Because you'll never know for sure, and it just makes you angry, and that anger is not good for you to just assume they're trying their hardest and it's just not working out and move on. And I just I do so much with that idea in my head, when my son comes to me and says, I saw a man giving another man the finger because of the car he was driving, and I think to myself, who could possibly care that much. I don't understand even like there's wars overseas, and I hear people arguing about them. I see two people Sandy, God bless them. I see two people I know for a long time. I don't think they know shit about anything, okay, but suddenly they seem to understand Israel and Palestine. And I'm like, you guys don't know what day your recycling comes, and you feel like you're qualified to have like, a position on this, strong enough to like, hate the other guy in the argument, like, and I'm not telling you, I know what the right answer is. I'm telling you, it's interesting to watch two people who are like, have nothing to do with this. You know what I mean? Like, they have no background in it. They have no education in it. They've never been personally involved in it, but they know for sure, like this. And I think I see people deal with their diabetes the same way they pick something and they get angry about it. I wish everybody could hear me say it, and believe me, like, this is water, okay, like none of this matters. Tomorrow is going to come, like, pick some solace from the way Sandy, like, described a broken arm. She's been alive long enough to know if you break your arm, you keep living, and one day you forget about it. And I just think that a lot of times we could apply that to to a number of things.

Sandy Schwartz 54:35
You know, yes, acceptance is the name of the game. Often,

Scott Benner 54:39
I usually say, often, the best thing to do is nothing.

Sandy Schwartz 54:42
I like that. Yeah, I like with the water example, too. I'm gonna go listen

Scott Benner 54:46
to it. Well, it's wonderful. It's just, it's just a commencement speech given by this, by this writer, who sadly took his own life some years later. But it made so much sense to me that I actually have a stack of the commencement speech pre. To just like, a small, like, like, kind of novelty book. And I give them to people when

Sandy Schwartz 55:04
they graduate, I love that. I'm gonna go listen to it right now.

Scott Benner 55:08
I give them to people, and I say, Listen, just please, if you take nothing out of this except for this one thing, you don't know why other people are doing what they're doing, and spending a lot of time wondering and being angry about it is bad for you and doesn't do anything to change it. So I don't want you to get me wrong. Like, you know what I mean? Like, if, if somebody did something horrifying, I'd say, All right, I'm not going to buy their sofa. Like, you know what I mean? It turns out, the guy that made my sofa burn down Atlanta. I won't buy a sofas.

Sandy Schwartz 55:42
But the fact that we know or think about that is that really what's important, right?

Scott Benner 55:47
And there are so many people in the world doing good, and so many people in the world doing badly, and I think that the only reason you're aware of who's who, again, going back to like, because of like, social media and people's desire to just like, tell you know. Like, just be out. Like, I know you think you know them, but I know you, you don't not to the level you believe you do. That's all. It's how I feel about it. I don't think I can know enough about how someone feels to make a judgment about a person I've never met before. And, and I'll tell you, like, this sounds I know this sounds silly like, and it makes me sound silly like I have a low level amount of fame, a very tiny little bit in a very specific place. And I watch people talk about me like they know me. And when I hear them, I think that's not just me not seeing myself like that's just fundamentally wrong what they just said, and it has stopped me from having like, those thoughts about other, like, massively famous people. You know, you used to like, you see a news story and you'd be like, ah, that guy sounds like an asshole. I just look at it now and I go, I have no idea if that's right or not. So people like to assume, yeah, I guess so. And I don't know. I just think that overall attitude gets applied to so many different things that you could end up applying it to this as well to diabetes as well that whole idea of like, I'm gonna be angry. I know someone's trying to screw me. I know that person's doing badly. I know that company's messing with me on purpose. I'm trying to get somewhere. They're stopping me, like all of that talk is not good for you.

Sandy Schwartz 57:23
Okay, so let's take that back to diabetes. A parent is with a child, and the pump falls off, so the parent freaks out and makes it a huge big deal because the pump fell off, or the parent gets out the syringe they carry in their purse, draws up a little insulin, figures out how much they need to keep going on their journey. Which is better model for life? For life, not just for diabetes, for life,

Scott Benner 57:54
it's really the way to go with anything. Just like it's keep going, right? Just do the thing, keep going. It's not easy for everybody. I listen. Arden's got a perfectionist streak in her, and it's hard on her sometimes, right? My wife has it. My son has it. My daughter has I don't have it. I'm sort of like, well, I did it as good as I could do. I'll try again tomorrow, you know? And you can step back and tell people like, like, Look, I'm a successful person. I'm not holding myself to some crazy standard that's making me mental. When something breaks, I just go, oh, things break sometimes, like I don't understand any of that. I stay out of some of those conversations online because I don't want people because some cynical person will, like, paint me as an apologist. I saw someone kind of very upset the other day. They put on a CGM, and it was reporting a bad number for a couple of hours. And they were like, you know, and then the automated system gave insulin based on a number that wasn't right, and everything. And this is very dangerous. And people were like, you have to contact the government, like, you know, you need to tell the FDA. And although it's like, I was like, Oh my God, just get a meter and test the reason I feel that way is because, do I want Dexcom libre anybody else, to make their CGMS better and better? I do. I want them to keep trying, and I want them to keep making them better. But in this moment 2024 that technology is as good as anything it's ever stood on this earth. Do you know what I mean? And like to lose sight of the fact that your problem today was that your CGM reported 70 points higher than it was and you got a Bolus because of it is to ignore the idea that Sandy was peeing on a stick and had a 19, A, 1c, it ignores perspective. So yes, you want them to do better, and you want to hold them to a standard, of course, and you don't want things to be dangerous, but you can't act like this is some horrendous thing that's just happened.

Sandy Schwartz 59:49
Well, you can act that way, but it impacts your life and the people around you negatively. Yeah,

Scott Benner 59:55
yeah. Well, and meanwhile, you're bad mouthing this thing that is definitely keeping you. Much, much healthier than you'd be without it exactly. Go with the flow. It's not lost on me, if the thing said her blood sugar was 500 and she was a little kid and it gave her a bunch of insulin, it would be really bad. But, you know, you have a meter for a reason, you should check if it doesn't seem right, like you have to pay some attention to it. It's not

Sandy Schwartz 1:00:17
if the if it said 500 and you don't feel that's what it is, then you get out your meter,

Scott Benner 1:00:22
yeah, right, and it sucks, by the way, and it breaks up your day. And I get all that, but again, so does

Sandy Schwartz 1:00:30
other things, like a car accident or electricity going out. I mean, it's life, it's what we live with. This

Scott Benner 1:00:38
is my point. I think it's your point too, by the way, yes, yeah, just diabetes is unpleasant sometimes, but it sucks

Sandy Schwartz 1:00:47
it does it does it show what other things do too.

Scott Benner 1:00:51
But you have a large part to do with how it feels. I guess I don't know how to put that exactly like

Sandy Schwartz 1:00:59
you're you have a large part to do with how you respond to it, yeah, your attitude, how you emotionally respond to it, how you let it negatively affect your life, or not negative. I don't want to say positively, but whether diabetes is a hindrance or whether you accept it. I mean, we, I know I use that word a lot, but acceptance allows us to live our life in peace. Attitude dictates everything

Scott Benner 1:01:32
right? And then whatever situation you're in, there are happy people who make a $500 a year of living somewhere, and there are hap and it's, is it great? I don't imagine it is, but there are people who find a way to be happy in every situation. And I'm not saying that there aren't some situations that are so overwhelming that you can't like you know, happiness is hard to find, and obviously there is, but I'm often reminded that, like the poorest people in America, are some of the richest people on the planet, exactly

Sandy Schwartz 1:01:59
because they accept what they have and don't wish it was different. It just,

Scott Benner 1:02:03
it just seems, you know, I mean, it sounds kind of hippie dippie to say out loud, but you like Jimmy Buffett, so I figured it's okay to say to you, I don't know, like, if you're not a depressed person, if you're not altered in a way that just makes it impossible for you, then you can, like, I don't know, brace yourself, stand up, pull yourself back together again and and just try to have a different attitude and just accept that it's going to go wrong sometimes, and you have to keep moving. These are basic ideas that I think have been said over and over again for, you know, hundreds of years to people so

Sandy Schwartz 1:02:35
Well, I appreciate this opportunity to try to encourage people to look at their life as something to be happy about, yeah, and something to live to the very best. Well,

Scott Benner 1:02:50
look what you did, even like it's not it's nice to you to come and spend your time, but look at you. You were in a place like Sandy. I don't know you that well, but I looked at your email. You were in a place, you know what I mean. You thought, I wonder how I could turn how I feel into a positive for other people. And you said, mate, can I come on your podcast and talk about this? So anybody can do something like that in their own life? You know, just make a positive step. I think,

Sandy Schwartz 1:03:16
Oh, I never thought about that. No, you did. Oh, thank you. Yeah, you did

Scott Benner 1:03:18
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Scott Benner 0:00
Hello friends and welcome back to another episode of The Juicebox Podcast.

Lauren 0:14
My name is Lauren, and I have had type one diabetes since 2003 I have two kids, age 12 and four. They do not have diabetes.

Scott Benner 0:28
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Lauren 2:07
My name is Lauren, and I have had type one diabetes since 2003 I have two kids, age 12 and four. They do not have diabetes. I'm married and, yeah,

Unknown Speaker 2:24
that's

Scott Benner 2:26
Lauren about it. I have, I have a question right away. Okay, you have two kids with two different men? Yes, I do. Okay, all right, because eight years there's only one reason to have a baby after having the first one in eight years. And that is, yes, exactly that reason, because everyone else would be like, it's okay,

Lauren 2:43
right? Yeah, no, I didn't. I totally forgot. Yeah, there's eight years between them. I had my son at two, at 21 and yes, okay, I was not married before, so i The person I'm married to now. This is my daughter. That is our child.

Scott Benner 2:58
I honestly don't care about your I get what you do is up to you. I'm just like, there is no way that you had a baby. Paid for it and took care of it for eight years and then thought, you know, we should do another baby? Yeah?

Lauren 3:10
Yeah, no, for sure. I mean, my 20s were interesting, yeah, I had a baby. So

Scott Benner 3:18
how old were you when you were diagnosed? I was 13. Okay, 13 years old. I know there's a little type one in your family, but it's recent. Is there any other type one besides your brother being recently diagnosed? Does anybody else have it? Yes, my grandfather had it. Okay. Grandfather and your brother. How long ago? Diagnosed?

Lauren 3:38
Uh, last October, I would say, with the actual diagnosis leading up to it was a little rocky, you know, just with our health care system

Scott Benner 3:46
here, you called Canada and said, I think he said, I think I'm sick. And they were like, get in line and come in nine months. Yeah, pretty much it, yeah,

Lauren 3:54
yeah. It was a weird, weird situation, for sure. Like, I was like, you know, Matt, I gotta test your sugar. He didn't want me to. He knew something was up. And then, anyways, I finally tested it, and I should have brought up the chart, actually, but here, like, I know our numbers are different, but here, you know, it was around 18 when he checked it at my house and and I just had said, like, tomorrow morning, you're off. You're off to the hospital anyway. So they came back with him. You know, type two. He's older, late 30s. He is actually a type one now they but I mean, what you would probably refer to as, like a lot of

Scott Benner 4:28
Yeah, for a while, probably how long do you think it went on for with him? I

Lauren 4:32
would say probably a couple years he, but it was last summer. He just looked bad. And you know this, like common symptoms, drinking a ton, peeing a lot, losing weight, all that stuff and, but now he's actually on ozempic and and on insulin. So he's on both,

Scott Benner 4:52
okay, like, did you find yourself saying to him, Hey, man, you seem like you have diabetes. And he's like, or, how did that go? I. Didn't

Lauren 5:00
go great. He wouldn't let me perk his finger. He was like, give me a month. I'm going to diet and exercise. I'm going to I'm going to lose some weight. My sugar will be good after that. And I was like, Well, unfortunately, you cannot diet this away or or workout to like, you know, this is something that I think that you that you have anyway. So I didn't let him come to my house. And my house is kind of like the gathering house, where everyone comes this is like, you know, all the family dinners, gatherings, all that stuff. So I was like, You're not coming over until I can prick your finger. He couldn't get away from it because my kids birthdays came up, and they're actually 24 hours apart, so we were celebrating them together, and I said, Matt in the room, let's go perk your finger. Anyways, team. Yeah, it was about a month. He didn't come to my house, though, because he really didn't want to perk his finger. You're his big sister, I guess. No, I'm not really sister. There's, there's three of us, yeah, just

Scott Benner 5:53
pushed him around. Also, it seems like you, I don't know another word here, but it seems like you get horny every eight years the exact same time is that? What happens

Lauren 6:04
exactly? Yeah, that's the only time eight years like, did

Scott Benner 6:07
your husband hear a bell go off in the room? You were like, oh, it's time again. Your kids are 24 hours apart. I know

Lauren 6:15
it's not crazy. It's crazy eight years with their age at and then 24 hours apart. It's wild.

Scott Benner 6:21
Same, yeah, okay, yeah, all right, so you're okay. It's weird to, like, pivot from your sex life back to when you were 13. But what am I gonna do you were 13 when you were diagnosed. You remember how it presented for you? Yeah,

Lauren 6:33
I do, for sure. Yeah, that was around Easter. Yeah. I actually was in a production for Easter at my church. And so we had, we had, you know, like, our costumes kind of before, like, a couple months or two before this, and I had, like, put my costume on for it. And I was like, oh, like, this is great. I'm losing weight. Like, I felt great about myself. And then that Sunday, yeah, my my grandmother was like, Yeah, I think we should prick her finger. I was peeing the bed. We had gone out for supper the night before. And I don't know if you've ever heard of Shirley Temple. Do you know what that is? Is

Scott Benner 7:05
it ginger ale and cherry juice?

Lauren 7:07
Like, Sprite and cherry Yeah, and so I think I, like, hammered, like, three of those the night before, out at dinner, just like, pounded back every like, pop all the time. I was just so thirsty, right? Anyways, yeah, we had, they went around the room, actually, before we had dinner on that Sunday, and, like, pricked everyone else's finger, dude. I was nervous, and everyone else was normal. And then they got, they got to me, and my sugar was 30. 32.4

Scott Benner 7:34
that's over. Is that around 700 Yeah, is that, honestly, I have my thing here. 576, wow. Jeez,

Lauren 7:43
yeah. So it was about a month, I think, before we caught it, is what my grandmother tells me. But yeah, she told me that we just, like, went back home, got some stuff, and went up to the emergency room. Leading up to this, I had been asking her some questions, just because it was a long time ago and and I was young, and she told me that I had, like, lost my vision. Wow, that's crazy. She just said I just looked really sick and stuff. And I was, I was hospitalized for about a week. I was in there, and yeah, and

Scott Benner 8:11
she had a meter because your grandfather had type one, yeah, exactly. Yeah, okay, yeah, Wow, geez. And you were drinking, like a real Canadian, like, pounding back those Shirley Temples. They probably just thought, like, at first, they were probably like, Oh, she is Canadian. But no, you were just thirsty because you were dying. Okay. Oh yeah.

Lauren 8:28
And I do remember too, like, sitting I would have been brought, yeah, like, grade eight, and I remember sitting in class and like, the teacher wouldn't let me go pee at times and like, and I would remember just being in so much pain, being like, I have to pee. And there's like, ears streaming to my face, and I'm like, I have to pee now. And like, she just wouldn't let me go because it was during class. And one I just, like, had to get up. I was like, I had, like, I'm in so much pain. I gotta get up. I gotta go to the bathroom. Is this

Scott Benner 8:55
where you are? We had to manipulate your brother, maybe from that teacher, yeah, yeah. I'll just force you into it. It'll be fine. I'll just force you Yeah, for sure. So 20 some years ago, Canada, definitely regular and mph, right? Yeah, I had to roll by you doing the cloudy, clear whole thing, right? Yes,

Lauren 9:15
okay, yeah, yeah. And I took like, I use, I didn't go on pens until about a month after, I was just used using, like, the syringe to, obviously, draw it up and inject it.

Scott Benner 9:26
You moved to a pen that quickly. Yeah, about a month after, okay, and then my grandmother was really pushing, oh, she was helping you. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. Does your province have what you would call more up to date diabetes care, or is it one of the ones that doesn't because it varies pretty greatly across 2025 is almost two months old. How are you doing with your resolution? Are you drinking ag one every day? Most resolutions are hard to maintain, but I find that drinking ag one is one of the easiest things that I can do for my health. My morning ritual that includes ag one gives me nutritional supplements that support my immune system and my entire day. I find that AG one is perfect for supporting my health and longevity goals, and it's easy to drink because it tastes good. This episode of the podcast is sponsored by ag one, so this year, try ag one for yourself. It's a perfect time to start a new healthy habit, and that's why I've been partnering with ag one for so long. Ag one is offering new subscribers a free $76 gift. When you sign up, you'll get a welcome kit, a bottle of d3, k2, and five free travel packs in your first box. So make sure to check out drink ag one.com/juice box to get this offer that's drink AG, one.com/juice box, the Dexcom g7 is sponsoring this episode of The Juicebox Podcast, and it features a lightning fast 30 minute warm up time that's right from the time you put on the Dexcom g7 till the time you're Getting readings, 30 minutes. That's pretty great. It also has a 12 hour grace period, so you can swap your sensor when it's convenient for you. All that on top of it being small, accurate, incredibly wearable and light these things, in my opinion, make the Dexcom g7 a no brainer. The Dexcom g7 comes with way more than just this, up to 10 people can follow you. You can use it with type one, type two, or gestational diabetes. It's covered by all sorts of insurances. And this might be the best part. It might be the best part alerts and alarms that are customizable, so that you can be alerted at the levels that make sense to you. Dexcom.com/juicebox, links, in the show notes, links at Juicebox podcast.com, to Dexcom and all the sponsors. When you use my links, you're supporting the production of the podcast and helping to keep it free and plentiful. Today's episode of The Juicebox Podcast is sponsored by Omnipod. And before I tell you about Omnipod, the device, I'd like to tell you about Omnipod, the company. I approached Omnipod in 2015 and asked them to buy an ad on a podcast that I hadn't even begun to make yet because the podcast didn't have any listeners, all I could promise them was that I was going to try to help people living with type one diabetes, and that was enough for Omnipod. They bought their first ad, and I used that money to support myself while I was growing the Juicebox Podcast. You might even say that Omnipod is the firm foundation of the Juicebox Podcast, and it's actually the firm foundation of how my daughter manages her type one diabetes every day. Omnipod.com/juicebox whether you want the Omnipod five or the Omnipod dash, using my link, let's Omnipod know what a good decision they made in 2015 and continue to make to this day. Omnipod is easy to use, easy to fill, easy to wear, and I know that because my daughter has been wearing one every day since she was four years old, and she will be 20 this year, there is not enough time in an ad for me to tell you everything that I know about Omnipod, but please take a look omnipod.com/juicebox I think Omnipod could be a good friend to you, just like it has been to my daughter and my family.

Lauren 13:27
Well, I'm in New Brunswick. I don't have too much to say,

Scott Benner 13:32
too much good to say, or too much bad to say. I don't

Lauren 13:36
have too much good to say, Okay, I don't know. I don't know what other places are like, I mean, here, right now, currently, I would say I have great support with the diabetes clinic here. My endo currently is in a different city, about an hour away here where I am. I actually have no idea I've been on the wait list here for since I had my daughter in 2020 but my brother actually just got into the endo here, and I was like, I've been waiting four years.

Scott Benner 14:07
Wait. You're on a wait list to see an endo for four years. Explain that to me like you haven't seen a doctor in four years, or you're trying to switch. Well,

Lauren 14:15
just after you turn 18 here, you kind of just like you move on from the pediatrics, and then you're kind of on your own. I didn't really follow it too closely, like, I took care of myself, but I didn't really follow up with doctors a lot, like, until I was pregnant when I was 21 and then, even then after that, I didn't really follow so the end, no, that was here had passed away. So then they had to shift everyone around. And then I just got a hold of someone, yeah, referred from Yeah. I guess you know what the the first referral did take two years to get into him, and then we kind of drifted apart in 2020. Didn't really see him or talk to him. And I actually just reached back out this past July. I just, I thought I was having some thyroid issues on the go. And anyways, yeah, so I mean, if I have to see him, I guess I can call him, but

Scott Benner 15:14
I wait, tell me. Tell me just about that you thought you were having a thyroid issue. You reached out to the doctor. They get back to you and you get an appointment. Or how long does that take? For example,

Lauren 15:24
it was just over the phone, and I think I only had to wait two or three weeks for his phone call.

Scott Benner 15:29
So you called them three weeks later. He calls back. Do you go get a blood test? Or what happens?

Lauren 15:35
Yep, he he said, in about a week. Yeah, hospital called. I went in for blood work and had the results back, I'd say, Yeah, within like, a week, week and a half.

Scott Benner 15:44
Okay, so this whole process from phone call to blood test results is four or five weeks. Yep, I just want to say for Americans that find themselves complaining about health care systems, if I called my doctor today and said, Hey, I think I'm having trouble with my thyroid, would you mind if I got a blood test, he'd go, that's fine. And then he'd write me a script, email it to me, I'd drive up the street, get my blood drawn, and I'd have the results tomorrow morning.

Lauren 16:09
Oh, yeah, okay, so it's not the best here. Then, no,

Scott Benner 16:13
no, no. I mean, if you're waiting five weeks for blood test results, that's not gold standard. And I don't think what we're doing here is gold standard, don't get me wrong, but, but there's a lot of time built into that. And if you're, you know, it's tough, because if your symptoms are something that they're like, Oh, you'll be fine, but you really won't be. It's, I don't know. I just hear a lot of stories, yeah, no, yeah, from your big frozen ice shelf, and it sounds like it's not great, yeah,

Lauren 16:36
no, no, should we move? Maybe we should move.

Scott Benner 16:41
I don't know. You're pretty Canadian. I think if you went somewhere else, they'd know and kick you out immediately. Don't you think it's

Lauren 16:46
funny? Yeah, no, they, they definitely know that I'm Canadian, for sure, I get that if

Scott Benner 16:50
I travel. Oh, I'm hoping you do something during this hour that you feel like you want to apologize for, because you apologized to me before we before we started recording, and your story was so sorry. It was just lovely. I can't wait for that to come out. Tell me why you just started pumping last year. Insulin pumping.

Lauren 17:08
Oh, yes. Okay, so I started pumping in well, it would have been two years in the in February 2025, will be two years. Okay,

Scott Benner 17:18
Lauren, can I stopped you for a second. Yeah, you're so lovely. It doesn't matter how long ago it was recently, right? Just did that thing that my uncle used to do. You'd be like, Oh, we went for a ride. It was a 1958 four, wait a minute. No, it was a 50 set. Was it a Ford or ish? You know? I think it was a 1954 Dodge pickup truck. And then you listen to his whole story. It's got nothing to do with the truck. I mean,

Lauren 17:47
that was great. I love a timeline. A timeline is always great.

Scott Benner 17:50
But more recently, you started pumping. I'm wondering how you like was that on purpose? 20 years not pumping? Right?

Lauren 17:57
Yeah, it was about 2020. Years. Um, so, yeah, I just things changed drastically. After had my daughter, my insulin needs, like, doubled, and I just, I couldn't, I don't know, it just it got to the point that I was, like, hovering in the 20s all the time. And like, that's not normal for me. I live like, you know, healthy lifestyles, like, why is it always around, like, 15 to 20? I could barely get it, like I was taking more insulin. And I was like, All right, you know, I think I've had about a year of, like, a diabetes burnout, you know, I didn't care. And actually, what's funny is, when I got set up with the pump, she, you know, she explains it all to you, and then she goes, You got to Pre Bolus your meals. And I was like, what's that mean? I had no idea. So if for 20 years of having diabetes, I never Pre Bolus my entire life, because no one ever told me to do that.

Scott Benner 18:53
Okay, so you were on, you were using pens like for for 20 years, and then something happens after you have your second kid, your insulin needs go up. Did you gain weight? Did you? No,

Lauren 19:03
I actually only gained weight this past year, and that's what had led me to get my thyroid checked out. I

Scott Benner 19:09
see okay and your thyroid was okay, or what was your TSH, when they looked

Lauren 19:14
my TSH, I had it right here. I like

Scott Benner 19:18
that you're prepared, but not so prepared that you know where it is,

Lauren 19:21
I know. Well, it's all online now, which is nice, thyroid, okay, right here. No, that's t Well, my TSH was, like, one point something, but they did take, like, I'm obviously not that prepared whereas, but

Scott Benner 19:35
they didn't end up giving you any medication, right? No, they didn't. No, I mean, your TSH is good.

Speaker 1 19:41
It is good, but my t3 was low. Okay. Did

Scott Benner 19:45
they give you? Did they give you cytome?

Lauren 19:47
I haven't talked to the endo since I got that test done. How long ago

Scott Benner 19:51
did you get the test back? July? Is it you haven't talked to them because you haven't called back or because you're waiting for them? Yeah. I

Lauren 20:00
guess. I mean, I didn't call back my family doctor said that it was fine, okay,

Scott Benner 20:04
yeah. I mean, it seems like it that might not be your issue, right? But you're having more insulin resistance and you're Are you having other symptoms, other like, things that you see, like, what made you think thyroid,

Lauren 20:19
yeah, I was extremely tired, falling asleep behind the wheel. Just no energy. The weight gain. I was having really bad acne, even I felt like there was just something going on. So I actually had reached out to a naturopath, and I've been working with him for a while.

Scott Benner 20:39
Okay, are you looking at, like, hormonal stuff, like, more PCOS related?

Lauren 20:45
Yeah. Well, no, that she didn't test me for PC PCOS. I just came off birth control a year ago, and so I Yeah. So there was, I think that messed with my hormones a bit. So my t3 three or whatnot is 3.4 Yeah. And then the teas TSH, was like, 1.07

Scott Benner 21:06
you came off birth control. Has it been eight years again? Are you ready? It's time to get, like, a notification. You're like, Oh, I gotta make another baby. Oh,

Lauren 21:17
my God, she's 34 I don't know. I didn't get, I don't want to do that again. I had to. I started fresh again already, like, I was just out, I was almost free. And then I was like, Okay, let's have a baby. It

Scott Benner 21:30
was almost free. Yeah, I was your management move, like, through pens. Like, what was your a 1c through those 20 years,

Lauren 21:37
I had just reached out to the hospital here to get all of my history since 2003 and it's literally coming in the mail tomorrow, so it didn't come in on time. But I had looked back through the history online a little bit, not, not a ton, but I noticed some of my a, one, Cs were into the sevens, like seven, 7.2 7.5 my highest that put me on a got me onto the pump. When my doctor called and told me it was 7.8 and that was, like, one of the highest I've had in a long time.

Scott Benner 22:08
Yeah, it just does really sound like your insulin needs went up significantly. Yeah, exactly.

Lauren 22:12
But my a, one, CS before, like, uh, before 2019, they were good. Like, they were like, five point Sometimes there was 5.5 5.9 Yeah,

Scott Benner 22:24
they were great. Were you wearing a CGM during that time at all?

Lauren 22:28
Nope, I didn't get a CGM until 2019 Okay,

Scott Benner 22:30
so you don't know about your variability if you were, like, staying steady or anything like that.

Lauren 22:35
No, I can really tell, like I am good at guessing, like if I didn't have a CGM on and and someone was like, What's your blood sugar? Right? Now, I could probably pretty much pinpoint it.

Scott Benner 22:45
Oh, Lauren, I don't think that's a thing, but because then what would you need the CGM for?

Lauren 22:50
No, I just mean, based on feelings, right? Like, if I'm like, okay, like, you know you can, you can start feeling your highs and lows, and I can catch

Scott Benner 22:59
it. Oh, so if you're dizzy or foggy, you know that?

Unknown Speaker 23:04
Well, yes, but I can, I

Lauren 23:06
feel the low quite early, around, like a 4.9 even, like, I'll start getting a little symptom. Okay, you know. Okay, so

Scott Benner 23:13
you feel your symptoms. Oh, yeah, okay, all right, barn, you see what I'm saying, though, right? Like, like, I couldn't, I couldn't say to you, like, if your blood sugar was, like, 5.3 I couldn't say to you, what's your blood sugar right now? If it wasn't falling you'd have no idea. You'd just be like, Well, I'm not,

Unknown Speaker 23:26
yeah, I

Lauren 23:28
could just, like, take a rough guess. But, I mean, I just mean, like, a lot of times like, I can, I can kind of feel where I'm at. If I didn't, yeah, yeah, I wouldn't know direction and stuff like that. No,

Scott Benner 23:38
of course. But that would be amazing, wouldn't it? Yeah. I mean, it would be great. I'm just pointing it out for people who are listening, whose kids are, like, I don't need a CGM. I can feel my blood. You don't know if you're vacillating. You don't know like, you can feel yourself falling at lower numbers. And you know when you're higher, because what do you feel nauseous or is or how do you feel when you're higher?

Lauren 23:56
Oh, just a bitch.

Unknown Speaker 24:01
Oh, yeah, yes. I

Scott Benner 24:05
wasn't sure if you were saying that your blood sugar was a bitch or you were. I couldn't.

Lauren 24:10
I mean, both. I can get quite bitchy when it gets high, for sure, yep,

Scott Benner 24:14
okay. But in between, in between, bitchy and dizzy, you're not really sure what's going on. Okay, all right, right,

Lauren 24:19
yeah, yeah. I'm like, okay, yeah, see what it is, yeah,

Scott Benner 24:23
what CGM are you wearing now? I mean, you're in Canada, Dexcom, g6

Lauren 24:30
Yeah. G6 and tandem,

Scott Benner 24:32
okay. Are you using control IQ, like the T slim, yep. How do you like

Lauren 24:36
that? I love it, yeah,

Scott Benner 24:39
cool. Yeah. It's great. I'm looking at your list of things you wrote down here. You said you're self diagnosed. ADHD,

Lauren 24:46
oh, my goodness, probably yes. I just don't want to get diagnosed. It costs too much money.

Scott Benner 24:50
Well, it also takes nine months for you to see the doctor. But that's neither here nor there. What makes you think you have? ADHD, well,

Lauren 24:57
probably the hyper. Part of it, I cut people off a lot, like, I'll get this thought my head, and then I'm like, you know, if you're talking to me, and I'm trying really hard, really hard while you're talking to not cut you off and tell you, like, okay, speak, what's in my head right now? And I just, yeah, I don't know. I never sit down super hyper active person. Like, I need a job. I run a house cleaning business here, I that job is perfect for me, because I'm constantly going eight hours a day, non stop, and then I come home and I just continue doing things, and I just sit when I go to bed,

Scott Benner 25:34
you're like a robot. It's just like, stop.

Lauren 25:38
Well, yeah, exactly. And I go right to

Scott Benner 25:40
sleep. Okay, well, and that's what threw you off about being tired during the day too. That was very uncharacteristic for you.

Lauren 25:47
Exactly, yeah, yeah. So I just thought, yeah, things were off. But I had done a food sensitivity test about two months ago, cut out some foods, and my energy levels have have been totally back to normal and not falling asleep behind the wheel at like, you know, four o'clock in the afternoon, and I just feel so much better.

Scott Benner 26:07
That's interesting. So what did you find out that you had a sensitivity to eggs? And

Lauren 26:11
I think that's probably common for a lot of people, eggs like wheat, like gluten. So I would actually like to get tested for celiac. My grandmother had celiac, and I just noticed now, if I do eat like a bread or whatnot, my stomach will hurt right away, pretty instant. So, I mean, I eat a pretty low carb diet anyway, so I don't eat a lot of bread, but if I was, you know, to have a sweet treat, it would hurt right away.

Scott Benner 26:39
Okay,

Unknown Speaker 26:40
yeah. Oh, and, and dairy, the

Scott Benner 26:43
bread definitely hits you, though. And dairy too. No, yes,

Lauren 26:46
I live in a bubble. I can't eat anything but apples. I guess.

I don't know it's, yeah,

I just, I just picked something. But no, yeah, like, I mean, it's definitely helped a lot. And,

Scott Benner 27:00
yeah, yeah, okay. Well, I'm glad you figured something out. And you went to a shaman. You said, or would you say,

Lauren 27:06
yes, yeah, yeah, yeah. Just you found

Scott Benner 27:10
an igloo in the middle of nowhere and walked in and said, I get tired. And they, they ran with some smoke around you on some leaves, and you were they said, stop eating wheat. About it, yeah, yeah, yeah,

Lauren 27:21
yes. That's exactly how it went. And he said, here's a couple of supplements, and we'll send you on your way. And yep,

Scott Benner 27:27
how close is the next nearest Home to Yours? Like, in in kilometers? Well,

Lauren 27:31
I am outside of city limits. We're in the country. Life of it, I guess, yeah, like you're pretty I see just tree. I see trees right

Scott Benner 27:39
now. I gotcha. Yep. And bears. Do you see bears? We definitely

Lauren 27:44
do. Yeah, we get bears here trying to take our garbage can. Often, he just marches over. He'll open up the garbage can and go in, take the bag out, take it across the street.

Scott Benner 27:54
Why not sit there and use it right there? Yeah, we see it all over here. That's interesting. I have more questions, but you do jump around like I was interviewing somebody the other day for something not that's not the show. And I said it's so interesting. Sometimes you ask people a question and they answer you. And sometimes you ask people a question and they sing song, they start talking, then they stop, and then they go in a different direction. It almost feels like they're swinging back and forth. And when they're done, you kind of have their answer and like you do, like in conversational you understand what they're talking about. But it's not as easy as, Hey Lauren, what's your favorite color? Oh, Scott, I love blue, because I think it makes me feel calm, like it's like, Hey Lauren, what's your favorite color? And you go, I have a bedroom, and we once painted it green, and I did not like the way it was. And I went through a lot of different colors, and eventually I landed on blue. And it turns out I really like blue, like, you know, I mean, like, it's and that was even pretty direct for how some people speak, and so it's interesting, it's fun, it's just different. Like, it is tiring though, like, I feel like I'm working a little bit. Oh, yeah, yeah, right. Because usually I don't feel like I'm working when I do this. I just feel like I'm chatting, but I'm so sorry. Finally, say it again. What are you? You're What are you? Stop laughing. Really,

Lauren 29:15
I'm so sorry. I didn't I don't want you to be working. I

Scott Benner 29:19
just wanted you to feel sorry. That's all. No, no, I'm fine. Don't worry about it. Please explain to me Your husband is obsessed with me.

Lauren 29:29
Oh, my goodness, he, yes, he listens to every single podcast. He loves this so much, like, if he, if anything, he's probably like, jealous that he's at work and I'm sitting here talking to you. He wishes he's he was here.

Scott Benner 29:44
Why does he trying to learn about diabetes to help you? Yes,

Lauren 29:48
yes, but he also wants to know about it because he's scared that our daughter is going to get it. Oh, okay, so he wants to know as much about it.

Scott Benner 29:58
Well, he's a good dad. Yeah.

Lauren 30:00
Yeah, what a great dad. Yeah, he can be quite annoying sometimes, though, when he's telling me my sugar is high, when I already know it's high, or if I want another bite of a cupcake, it's, you know,

Scott Benner 30:11
it's annoying when my husband loves me, I don't like it.

Lauren 30:17
Stop Loving me so much.

Scott Benner 30:18
What do you care about my health? Shut up. How does it go? Like, if your blood sugar is like, is he following you on a CGM, for example? Yes, he follows me. Okay. And so look at you. You got so serious. So, okay. So, yes, I don't love it. So, so is he texting you the first time you like, where's your high alarm. High

Lauren 30:40
alarm would be around 11 to 12, okay,

Scott Benner 30:46
and if it goes off, also, I'd like to see that high alarm come down a little bit, if I could. Is there a reason we couldn't have it go off more like an eight maybe?

Lauren 30:56
Well, sure, they had it set on my when I first got set up with the pump at like, 14,

Scott Benner 31:01
yeah. And he's like, that's not very valuable, knowing once you're what is that 14 is over 300 or 250 So, yeah, exactly. So I like that. You brought it down. Bring it down more. My point here is it beeps once. He texts you right away, or he texts you after it's beeped at him five times. Like, you know what I mean? Like, when do you hear from him?

Lauren 31:19
Uh, he does not text me when my sugar is high, because that's, that's when I turn into a bitch, remember? And he, I don't want him to do that, but he will contact me if my sugar is low,

okay, for how long? Uh, he'll probably get like, two beeps and then be like, Okay, I should make sure she's alive. And you don't like that. No, that's

fine. That's fine. Yep, I'm okay with that.

Scott Benner 31:43
Look too. You're like, people are listening. I want to sound reasonable, but it's okay. Are you normally handling it when he texts you? Yes,

Lauren 31:52
yeah, yeah. There was one time recently, though I did send him by location. I sent him the location, and he started getting the beeps. And then he called, and I was like, I don't, yeah, I don't know what was happening. So I was just just hammering those Dex tablets into me. Yeah, it finally went back up. But yeah, it was like, straight arrow down at like, two point 2.1 or something. Did

Scott Benner 32:14
you text him your location because you thought, like, well, they'll be able to find my body later. Is that what you were doing? Yes, exactly, yeah. I don't want the kids to wonder if I was eaten by a bear, so let me just let everybody know where they'll find my corpse. What happened that you were falling so fast? Do you think

Lauren 32:32
I don't know. I think I might have just were my job so active, I think I had taken a correction and I didn't need to.

Scott Benner 32:40
Okay? And then you kept working, and you dropped really quickly, okay, yeah. And you just, you just went with, like, dextrose tablets or something like that to get you back up.

Lauren 32:49
Yeah. I mean, those were pretty quick for me, like I could be, you know, 2.4 and I take one tablet, and then it's, it starts, like, going back up.

Scott Benner 32:56
Those are your go to, yeah, you carry other stuff with you. Nope, no, just those tablets. You don't have like, couple juice boxes in your car door or, like, anything like that.

Lauren 33:06
No, I get that. I don't know if you've heard of this, but, like, I don't like eating a lot when my sugar is low and I get that, like, rocky feeling in my gut, like I don't feel good, so I feel like I don't want to get sick. There's been times where I have eaten because my sugar was really low, and then I get really nauseous, and then that gives me a little bit of anxiety. So if I just stick to the tablet, wait the you know, 10 minutes and I'm good to

Scott Benner 33:37
go. You're worried you'll vomit, and then you'll be in a worse position. Oh, definitely,

Lauren 33:40
yes. I have a big fear of puking. Gotcha

Scott Benner 33:43
a big fear of puking? Oh yes. I want to get back to just for a second me. But your husband, like, enjoys the podcast outside of it being about diabetes,

Lauren 33:55
or Yeah, he does. Oh yeah. He's, he's Yeah. He laughs all the time. He loves him. Oh, I'm

Scott Benner 34:00
glad this is awesome. Oh, yeah. I got a great review the other day that somebody said, By the way, whoever wrote this, thank you made my day. Said that listening to this podcast ruined other podcasts for them, because they realized how bad other hosts were at their job, and it made me feel good. Yeah, it's true. Thank you. I appreciate that very much. You're afraid of insulin? Is that true? Uh, probably

Lauren 34:22
a year ago, yeah, I was like, if I have five, six units of insulin on board, that's a lot for me. So I like, I just don't have a lot of insulin on board. Usually,

Scott Benner 34:34
okay. And did that have something to do? Do you think with when your insulin needs went up. Your blood sugars were higher. Is it because you were afraid to give yourself more?

Lauren 34:44
Yes, because I wasn't used to it, right? So

Scott Benner 34:46
then the then the big question here seems to be, your brother got given insulin and ozempic right away for being type one. Well,

Lauren 34:54
actually, no, sorry, they gave him. We go V with no insulin, and it was during. During Thanksgiving last year, right? And he was here on the weekend, and I said, Do you want to eat food? And he was like, Yeah. And I said, Well, you're gonna have to take some my insulin. Like, his sugar was 19, and he wanted to eat food. And I said, Okay, take a couple doses of insulin. Like, I it's not gonna You're fine. Yeah, you're fine. Let

Scott Benner 35:16
me pick through this for a second. So is he or was he overweight? Yeah.

Lauren 35:21
I mean, he's a bigger guy. This is interesting. I wouldn't say

Scott Benner 35:26
he's huge. How much? How tall is he? I wish

Lauren 35:28
he was here. He left six point or six two.

Scott Benner 35:32
He's about, he's over six feet tall. And what do you think he

Unknown Speaker 35:36
weighs? Oh, he's about 252,

Unknown Speaker 35:40
42 Yeah,

Scott Benner 35:41
pounds, yeah, right, okay. And, I mean, that's, yeah, I don't think you're supposed to. I mean, is he? I don't know how to say this. This is weird. We're talking about another person, but I have a reason for asking it, like, is he? Does he have fat collections, his stomach, his back is I mean, do you look at him? He's

Lauren 35:58
got a weird body. He's got a big, broad shoulders, like big upper body and very small low body, and then carries the weight stomach, I would say, like

Scott Benner 36:06
blue dough from the Popeye, definitely. Yeah. Okay, boy, there's one. Yeah. I was interviewing a guy the other day. He goes, I don't get a lot of your references, man. I was like, sorry, you'll figure it out. I wish this was more about him. So we could call this episode weird body, because that was really interesting, what you just said. But okay, so he's so there's weight to lose. So at some point, someone thought he had type two diabetes and gave him week. OV, is that what happened?

Lauren 36:31
Yeah, when he went into the hospital, they he left the hospital with nothing, but basically blood work and to contact his doctor on Monday, okay? And then he did, and she gave him, we'll go V and no insulin. And then, yeah, it was that weekend. And I said, Well, you need to take couple doses of insulin. And then his doctor wouldn't give him the insulin because she was like, You're not type one. And I said, Well, screw her, you are. And then, yeah. So then I said, you go to the doctor the next day, tell her that you took my insulin, and she'll write you a prescription for insulin. So she was livid that Matt took some of my insulin, okay, and she was so mad about it. But

Scott Benner 37:16
did she give him a script for insulin? Yes, that day, okay, you are good at pushing people into doing things.

Lauren 37:22
Oh yes, yes, yes,

Scott Benner 37:25
I need something. I'm calling you. Yeah, yes, definitely give me a call. Yeah, Lauren will take care of it. Oh yeah, she'll get it done well. So, okay, so, but, but the doctor left him on the we go, V, so she must have thought he had wait to lose

Lauren 37:40
Yep, okay. Yeah. I think he was about 230 when he got diagnosed, and then when he got put on the insulin, he did gain, gain about 20 pounds.

Scott Benner 37:47
Okay, so he went up to 250 Has he lost weight since then? Do you think he's

Lauren 37:50
been on and off of ozempic for the past few months? So

Scott Benner 37:54
I don't know. I wonder why he stops taking it to eat.

Lauren 37:58
It's not covered, and they won't give it to him, like covered through insurance, unless his a one sees over seven,

Scott Benner 38:04
they're making him pay for it with his loonies. Yes, oh my god. How many loonies is it to a septic? Gotta be a lot.

Lauren 38:12
I believe it's around 232 50 a month. Yeah.

Scott Benner 38:15
So he's taking it when he can afford it. So he must notice it's helping him, or he wouldn't go back to paying for it again. I would imagine it's

Lauren 38:22
crazy, like I track him on my phone, and when he is not on ozempic, he roller coasters all day, up and down, up and down. And then since when I can tell when he takes the ozempic and he's straight line, pretty flat

Scott Benner 38:36
all day. Yeah, it works like that for Arden too. I have to admit, she doesn't use oil. I tried to get it, yeah, I was gonna say, Arden doesn't use ozempic. She uses Manjaro, Manjaro. I don't know how to say it, but, like, whatever, it's a stark difference, I have to say, especially when she's eating that crappy college food, like, if she was home eating here and on one Jaro, oh my gosh, her blood sugar would be nearly perfect. It would probably just be like a straight line around 80 or 90, most of the time, with like a blip to 140 if she ate right. It's crazy how well it works at that. I mean, you eat less too, obviously, but it just the way it slows your digestion down. Really changes things, by the way. This is why I brought all this up, because I was going to ask you if you were thinking of trying to get it as well, because I figured your doctor was prescribed it to your brother. They'd prescribe it to you, and I figured it was covered by healthcare. But so you asked about it, and what happened? Well,

Lauren 39:34
we don't have the same doctor, but yeah, I did ask about it. She wanted me to go to my Endo, so I didn't ask my Endo. First I asked my family doctor, and then she said, yeah, go to the end. Oh, so I haven't reached out to him, but she thinks that I wouldn't get approved for it, because, like, I guess I could get the prescription and take it and pay out of pocket, like he's doing. Doing, but to get it covered

through our health care. So I wouldn't qualify

for it, because my a 1c is not high enough, and I'm not overweight,

Scott Benner 40:09
so you're not overweight, but you have but you do think you have insulin resistance, and right it, boy, it would probably really help you, too.

I know, yeah, it's

Lauren 40:21
interesting. Maybe I should just be really shitty for a couple months and get

Scott Benner 40:24
the a 1c up. Oh no, no, no, Lauren, let's not do that. But, I mean, I don't think it's covered for type ones. No matter what your a 1c is it isn't here? Is it there in the Canadia? Like, hold on a second. I don't know how to figure that out. I mean, how would we figure that out?

Lauren 40:45
I what I keep hearing around here is that it depends on your insurance, and I think it's a little

Scott Benner 40:51
bit of a fight. Maybe it's worth having the fight I'm seeing. I'm seeing, if the internet knows about Canada and glps. GLP primarily approved for type twos and weight management, but they are not officially indicated for type one. I know that that said they're sometimes used off label. I know this too covered for GLP. Medications that are Canada's Health Care System can be varied depending on the province and individual health plans. In some cases, these drugs may be covered for people with cardiovascular issues or obesity. I would wonder if you went to the doctor and said, Hey, like, Look, I've had this massive increase in insulin resistance. If I was type two and my insulin resistance went up like this, you'd give me this GLP in two seconds. Like, is there a way around this? So can we look into it? That'd be my my question.

Lauren 41:36
Yeah, she did seem to have an issue prescribing logovi For me, because she was like, I can give you this as a weight loss drug, but I'm not sure

Scott Benner 41:44
you didn't have weight to lose, but you you qualified for that? Well,

Lauren 41:48
I could, because I had told her I had gained some weight. I did recently lose some of that just on my own, but for a while it was kind of just hovering there, and I, you know, couldn't get it, you know, couldn't get rid of it. And then so I Ted spoke to her and told her this, and she was like, well, I could give you, we go V for a weight loss, but I can't, for some reason, give you ozempic For Type one. I don't

Scott Benner 42:13
know, we go via and ozempic are the same drug. So why did you stop the wegov then?

Lauren 42:17
Well, she should. We kind of stopped the conversation there, and she wants me to go to the

Scott Benner 42:21
end though, oh, I would just ask for the we go via Fauci. She's just a phone call away. Yeah, you guys have all kinds of technology and kind of, from what I understand, yeah, yeah, we've got lots, yeah. Do you have first strike capability? Any nukes over there? I don't know about you guys. Are you able to do that?

Lauren 42:41
I don't even know. I mean, I know that we have a base next to us. I'm not sure what they have over there, just

Scott Benner 42:47
a bunch of Mounties, maybe. Yeah, horses and red coats. But, you know, it's funny. I never thought about that. Let's find out real quick. Does Canada

Unknown Speaker 42:59
Dukes just check in here.

Scott Benner 43:03
I've never, Oh, you do not possess nuclear weapons.

Lauren 43:07
Good for you. We're safe over here. Yeah, oh, yeah, okay.

Scott Benner 43:10
I was just, I didn't know if I needed to be worried or not. No,

Lauren 43:13
no, don't be worried. And you know what? This is, um, off topic, but I tried to watch this movie that you talked about for Canadians to watch before I came on here, and I just lost track of time. And I can't remember the name of it, but I was like, tell my husband I should watch that before we

Unknown Speaker 43:29
stream. Yeah,

Scott Benner 43:31
my God, I can't I mean, it's like one movie you guys made, and nobody's watching it.

Lauren 43:36
I got too into love is blind, and then I forgot to watch it. Love

Scott Benner 43:40
is blind. Which one's that on Netflix? Oh, oh, is it? What is it about? My God, it's in season seven.

Lauren 43:48
You're right. Yeah,

you should watch it. It's super good. Oh, they

Scott Benner 43:53
get first of all, there's no chance I'm gonna watch that, just so, you know. But like, this is the one where they get married, right?

Lauren 44:00
Yes. Oh, yes, I love reality

Scott Benner 44:03
TV. Oh, what a bunch of nut next. Oh, so they Okay, so they get on, like a reality TV show, and then they marry each other, like, after knowing each other for how long? Oh, my word, a month, maybe. Oh, what a plan.

Lauren 44:15
Yeah, I know. I know. And there's actually still some couples together. Are there? Really?

Scott Benner 44:23
Oh my god, I'd love to meet those people, me too. I don't want to watch the show, but I'd love to, I'd love to meet the people who got married on a reality show and are still married. Well, listen, here's what I got here, Marissa and rams. This is this? Like is a spoiler if I say this?

Lauren 44:40
No, no. Last episode already aired this week. All right, well, they're

Scott Benner 44:45
broken up. They're brought Yes, they are Yeah, that's a good thing. Ashley and Tyler are married. Yes, Taylor and Garrett are married. This is ridiculous. Okay, I'm gonna stop now. It's making me upset. Okay. Oh,

Lauren 45:01
I'm surprised your daughter doesn't watch it. She's not in his shows like that. I

Scott Benner 45:05
don't know she's so busy at school, they don't. And she used to love Big Brother, but I don't, I don't think she loves that as much any longer, right? Yeah, I think that kind of wore out for I mean, I watched survivor back in the day, but I haven't seen it a long time.

Lauren 45:23
Same, yeah.

Scott Benner 45:25
Survivor is great because it just does. It's like, wow, this is actually how life goes. Like people, like, get together in groups, and then they attack other groups, and then once they've dominated the other group, they attack each other until one's left.

Lauren 45:38
Yeah, people, yeah, it's awesome, yeah, and that must be on Season 30. Like, that's been out for, I don't even know.

Scott Benner 45:45
Oh, my God, Jeff probs has had, like, many different face lifts. Yeah, it's been a while now. Yeah, yeah. Maybe he'll be our next president. I'm just kidding. You're

Unknown Speaker 45:58
gonna find out.

Scott Benner 46:00
Yeah, I think that qualifies him, yeah. Anyway. All right, so what else have we not talked about here? Let's see your list. Your grandfather passed from a massive heart attack. Was it obviously type one related?

Lauren 46:13
I mean, I think so. He was diagnosed early 20s and passed away at 80. I mean, back then, right? He was on one injection a day. He was always set in his ways. He never changed, never went to pens or anything. Your

Scott Benner 46:27
grandfather rode like regular an MPH for 60 years.

Lauren 46:30
He took one kind of insulin once

Scott Benner 46:33
a day. He's an OG baller, yeah. How long ago did he pass away? 2013, no kidding. How much longer did your grandmother live? Or is she still alive? She's still here. She's in her 90s.

Lauren 46:47
She'll be 90 next, next year. Damn, that's awesome. Yeah, that's my last grandparent. I had both my other set of grandparents just died recently, like a year ago. Nanny was the celiac, and she had type two diabetes, and my grandfather had a cancer, but he didn't, I don't even know. I don't, I don't know what. He just died. I don't, you guys,

Scott Benner 47:14
no, I don't. He just looked up and he went, that's enough. I

Lauren 47:17
was like, oh, okay, would he die up? I don't know, does

Scott Benner 47:21
your whole family live out in the trees? No offense, like in the woods? No,

Lauren 47:25
no, no. They they complain that I'm 20 minutes from them. Okay,

Scott Benner 47:29
so they're a little more suburban, yeah, and we lived in

Lauren 47:33
the city up until a couple years ago. Okay, we just had built a house out here.

Scott Benner 47:37
I got you, I understand. I mean, it sounds nice, don't get me wrong, except for the bear. But, I mean, what else is out there? It's great, yeah? Like a raccoon, so I imagine

Lauren 47:46
we have some raccoons for sure. Yeah, we it's pretty quiet. We have a lot of four wheelers that go by every

Scott Benner 47:52
day, though, any scary cats, like Bobcats or anything like that.

Lauren 47:55
No, like foxes will roam around here, bunnies, bunnies

Scott Benner 48:00
and foxes seem okay to me. Yeah, yeah. I have to say that one year, Fox had their babies in our backyard, and it was, like, it was like, the most lovely couple of months, like, watching these baby foxes just run around the backyard, then they just went off somewhere. So cute, yeah? But it was, it was really nice. I have a picture somewhere, wow, I'm not gonna share it with you, but, I mean, I have it. I don't know, I don't exactly know where it's at, but I have it. That's so cute. It was lovely. No, it was, it was really like, everyone was just like, enamored with little babies bouncing around out there. That was good. Yeah, no, I have to admit, I really did enjoy that. Were your parents older when they had you?

Lauren 48:38
No, they had me, I'd say 23

Scott Benner 48:44
Oh, okay, I don't know. My math got messed

Unknown Speaker 48:46
up somewhere. Yeah, they're they were born in 65

Scott Benner 48:49
okay, but your mom has Ms. Oh, yeah,

Lauren 48:52
sorry, yeah, I forgot. Yeah, she has MS. She does. She got diagnosed around 2012

Scott Benner 48:58
I think is, it is something that she struggled with her whole life, and finally got a diagnosis for something that came on her about 2012

Lauren 49:04
No, she got misdiagnosed so much for just like the like in dizzy spells, vertigo, stuff like that, fibromyalgia, all that. Yeah, it was like 10 years trying to figure

Scott Benner 49:17
out what it was. Oh, I'm sorry. What do they do for Yes, right

Lauren 49:21
now, she takes an injection once every three months. She used the walker. Yeah, so she and she just went back to work part time. She was off for a couple of years, and yeah, so she's out there working now. Okay,

Scott Benner 49:35
so she has an auto immune your grandfather is she, by the way, your grandfather's daughter or your grandmother's

Lauren 49:42
not the diabetic grandfather, that's my dad, okay,

Scott Benner 49:44
and so you have, your mom has an auto immune. Your grandfather had an auto immune. You do? Your brother does? Your grandmother has something type two, but not, yep, okay, oh, a celiac. Excuse me, so there's an auto. Room, yeah, celiac, that's a fair amount. Yeah, yeah. How about your husband? Now, does he have anything on his side of the family?

Lauren 50:06
Oh, sorry, I should say that my dad has Graves disease,

Scott Benner 50:10
autoimmune. Okay, okay, yeah, yeah,

Lauren 50:14
yeah, and yeah. So my husband, nothing is wrong with him and with his parents. There is, yeah, my father in law is a diabetic,

Scott Benner 50:25
type two, okay, but no auto immune, like celiac, thyroid, stuff like that. No.

Lauren 50:31
Heart runs on his side of the family. And I know that's not auto auto immune, but on both sides, actually, we've got, you know, some bad hearts,

Scott Benner 50:39
yeah, I mean, I don't your grandfather's heart's gotta be from type one. So were there other people on that side that had heart attacks?

Unknown Speaker 50:46
Yep, yeah, my dad

Lauren 50:48
had one, and my uncle had one. They both lived through them. Wow, jeez, yep, yep. And then my, my husband's dad had open heart surgery back in 2020, my

Scott Benner 50:59
God. And yeah, what are you guys eating? What's going on up there?

Lauren 51:03
Well, I mean, you know, I don't know what's going on. You know, I'm, you know, I'm cooking on stainless steel pans, trying to be healthy, and I'm glad,

Scott Benner 51:14
good for you. It's a good step. You're like, I don't know. I bought stainless steel pans. These mothers are still dying. I don't know.

Lauren 51:23
Sunshine don't burn candles, non toxic stuff, and everyone's still dying. I don't know, yeah, no,

Scott Benner 51:32
no, that's, it's, it's, it's, I mean, it's a lot, but, you know, you guys, I mean, but to have that issue and live to 80 is, is pretty awesome, actually, you know. So, I mean, that's terrific, but yeah, would you worry about your kids? Do you think about getting them tested?

Lauren 51:49
Oh, I worry about my daughter more than my son. It doesn't run on my son's dad's side of it. I do check the kids often, like my son will have around a 4.8 for his fasting. And then my daughter, oh, I just, I don't know. I can't stomach testing her sugar at the age that she's at. I just have the biggest fear with, like, I don't know, just she's a lot to handle. Okay,

Scott Benner 52:15
let's go slow. Let's start with, she's a lot to handle. What does that mean? She's

Lauren 52:19
a redhead, and she's so feisty, and so like, I have to sleep with her at night. She is so needy.

Scott Benner 52:29
And how old is she? She's four. Oh, she's Yeah, you mean you're sleeping with her because she needs so many things. You don't want to walk back and forth or what are you talking about?

Lauren 52:39
Oh, no, she will not let you leave the room. Like if you're not beside her, she'll wake up and come get you.

Scott Benner 52:47
How long has that been going on for? Since 2020, when she was born? No kidding, she's gonna have to hurry up. You're on a baby schedule. You almost have to have a baby again. You only have a few more years,

Lauren 52:57
yeah, three and a half, four years left. I gotta reproduce again.

Scott Benner 53:01
She better figure this out. Yeah, yeah. Well, that's interesting. Um, yeah, so she and, what about during the day? Does she is she clingy during the day? No, she's totally

Lauren 53:11
fine at daycare, like she's a different kid. And then she comes home and yeah,

Scott Benner 53:15
yeah, maybe she just loves you extra Yes.

Lauren 53:18
Her her attitude shows for sure she loves me the most. Is

Scott Benner 53:22
your husband a redhead? No, oh, Where'd it come from? Do you know, just

Lauren 53:27
generations back on both sides, like, actually, my husband is dark, complected, like dark eyes, dark facial hair and hair, and I'm just blonde blue, and she's she's redhead. Yeah,

Scott Benner 53:39
that's awesome, but you just said my husband's got dark facial hair and hair. And I was like, what happened? Oh, maybe she saw that new Eminem video, and she wanted to make sure I wasn't confused

Lauren 53:51
facial hair. And then I was like, Wait, he has hair too.

Scott Benner 53:54
I mean, I just assumed all of his hair was dark when you like, I didn't know where you're gonna stop. You're gonna be like, Oh, this hair is very dark too. It's all very dark. But who would know I sleep with my daughter every now you're sleeping with your daughter, and you know you've got four more years, so you've got plenty of time before you have to look at that again. All right, listen, is there anything we haven't talked about that we should have, anything that you've left off that you thought was interesting for people? Why did you want to be on the podcast? By the way? What mode? Way, what motivated you to do

Lauren 54:24
this? Just for fun? I thought it would be fun to come on and have a chat. And I just listen to you every day. So I'm like, Oh, I and it's interesting. You've never been to Canada, and so I'm always like, what's the holdup?

Scott Benner 54:36
Like, come see I mean, it sounds cold and there's a bear. That's one thing

Lauren 54:43
people tell you all the time. They're like, yeah, come like, it's nicer and it's nice here, sure. But like, We're driving to Florida in March, and I like, I can't wait to go see like, different states. How

Scott Benner 54:54
long is it going to take you to drive to but the way you said Florida, how long is it going to take you to

Lauren 54:59
get there? I. I believe it's about 20, around 28 hours with the kids, it's probably going to be 32

Scott Benner 55:08
Oh, my God, so. But you have a rolls. Royce, what are you driving? Like? How comfortable is the ride going to be? What are we talking about? Well, you use my husband's work truck. You're going to go in a Oh my God. Is that going to be comfortable? See right away, I'm such a baby. I'm, like, that does not sound comfortable. Well, it's

Lauren 55:24
like a Ford, like, f1 50, or whatever they are. They're like, you know, nice truck, yeah. And so we'll, we'll take that, you know, because you got the cap, and I plan on buying a lot. So we got to have space. What are you bringing back

Scott Benner 55:35
from Florida? Bo constructor, what are you getting?

Lauren 55:38
So many Disney Mickey ears. Who knows this is the first time taking the kids. So we were like, Let's just drive. It's cheaper to drive. What

Scott Benner 55:48
would it have cost to clone? Yeah? Like, I guess you gotta fly four people two ways. You gotta rent a car while you're there. That's the extra stuff. So what is that? That's a few $1,000 I imagine, right?

Lauren 56:02
Yeah, I think just the flight alone would be like, four grand and then, but then you have to travel with the, like, the booster seats and stuff at this age, which, like, That's annoying. So I just want to come and go. We we're gonna do like, Airbnb and not stay on resort.

Scott Benner 56:18
That's smart. Are you gonna make stop sick? Have you, I mean, it's a long trip. Have you, like, built in other places where you think you'd like to see along the way? Yeah,

Lauren 56:25
we didn't map it out fully yet. We still have some time, yeah, like, we want to hit some cool spots and seeing some like, we'll drive kind of like, I don't know, we'll stop around 5pm each day, so we'll be on the road, like, for hotels two nights.

Scott Benner 56:41
So you think so this is going to be almost like a two week trip for you when it's all said and

Lauren 56:46
done. Oh yeah. I asked my husband. I was like, Can we just go for like three weeks and do like, Lego Land too? And he was like, Okay, so,

Scott Benner 56:54
yeah, yeah, we'll just what's he doing? Yeah,

Lauren 56:58
he has his own company for, like, construction or, okay, yeah, yep, yeah. So he built, he built our house. And, yeah, I mean, I don't want to give him too much credit, though, okay, because it gets a little hard headed, and

Scott Benner 57:11
he might want sex every three years. And then, yeah,

Lauren 57:14
oh yeah. And he's like, so, I built your house. So, you know,

Scott Benner 57:21
oh, I know how. I know it makes sense to me. I mean, I have a light outside of my garage isn't working. If you can stop in New Jersey on the way through and fix it, that'd be awesome. Oh yeah.

Lauren 57:29
Oh yeah, yeah. It's

Scott Benner 57:30
lovely. I mean, like, Would you stop in, like, DC, like, to see Washington. Would you stop in, I don't know, like, the Outer Banks, North Carolina, as you went down, like, do you have things like, you don't even, yeah,

Lauren 57:43
I am actually excited to go to North Carolina. Like, I heard it was nice. What

Scott Benner 57:48
do you find out? Every one of our states looks exactly the same. And, oh, okay, and it doesn't look that different than Canada. You're gonna be so pissed.

Unknown Speaker 57:58
You're gonna be like, this looks like home. What the hell? Yeah. Well, I

Lauren 58:03
mean, as long as we can stop at every target on the way down, I'll be good.

Scott Benner 58:06
You're a target girl. You like the target? I like

Lauren 58:09
Target. Yeah, for sure. We had one here for like, a second, and then they took it away. I have no idea why they take six months.

Scott Benner 58:20
Why they, why are there disappearing targets in Canada?

Lauren 58:24
No, I don't know. Oh, we're gonna take

Scott Benner 58:26
Yeah, oh, Lauren, I'm gonna call your episode disappearing targets.

Lauren 58:30
Yes, please. Disappearing targets. Yeah, just

Scott Benner 58:33
laugh. It's a little bit what it's like talking to you, because I, like, I set up a target, and then it seems like it's gone before you get

Lauren 58:38
to it. I know, I know it's so hard my own brain. Is

Scott Benner 58:43
it really, like, finish on that? Like, what's it? What's it like to manage through a day when you're jumping around like that?

Lauren 58:50
Yeah. I mean, sometimes it can be, it can be challenging, like, especially when everyone's kind of home, we're, like, just the routines of, like, the day to day life, like I am so routine and like, time and and like, if I'm five minutes past the time, it's putting me in a bad mood. And these voices in my head are, like, hurry up a lot. Like, I don't even know how to explain it, so all over the place, but it really benefits me at work. Like, I could never sit in front of a computer and, like, do work, because as we're sitting here, like, like, both of my legs have been moving the whole time and I'm sitting so then I'm like, okay, like, I gotta get to work and, like, move my body. You know,

Scott Benner 59:29
I'm interested, if you ever go in the GLP, if that changes, Oh, you think it'll calm me down, and I don't know. I mean, if ADHD is, like, inflammation related, and GLP reduces your inflammation. I just wonder if I have no idea. I'm just wondering if it would, if it would help or not. I don't, it may not. Yeah, I'm interested. Well, maybe

Lauren 59:50
I it used to be worse. When I was younger, I just smoked a lot of weed, and then, like, I think over time, it kind of just, I don't know, mellowed me out a bit. Like, this is mellow for me. Okay, and it used to, it used to be, yeah, it used to be a lot worse.

Scott Benner 1:00:04
Are you still managing with the weed? No,

Lauren 1:00:06
I haven't. No, it's been, like, 10 years, really.

Scott Benner 1:00:09
How what made you stop having kids? Yeah, and then

Lauren 1:00:13
I didn't want to pay for it, like I was always hanging around people who who just had it all the time, and so I never paid for it, and that, I was like, Wait, I don't want to go search for it, pay for it.

Scott Benner 1:00:25
Yeah, I almost said something. So I'm sure that I would like, people wouldn't like, but I'm just gonna say, anyway, we'll beep it out so you stop hanging around guys that would trade wheat. And then you, you were like, I'm not doing this anymore. Am I close? Lauren, no,

Lauren 1:00:43
I stopped. No. It was like girlfriends too. Like it was the mixture of male and female hanging out and yeah, and then I didn't want to pay for it.

Scott Benner 1:00:56
Before we started recording. I only said that for your husband, because I realized when he listens back, he's going to be very immune. Going to be very amused when we before we started recording. Like, I tell people like, you know, I'm I usually say something like, you know, if you get really comfortable and you say something that's crazy, like, I'm not going to stop you. So I tell people, you got to be your own guardrails while we're talking. And today I said, like, you know, if you have like, a story about, like, shooting heroin in your eyes, and you were just like, oh, I have stories. Like, wait. Like, Normally people would go, do people shoot heroin into their eyes? Scott, that sounds ridiculous, but no. You were like, no, no. So there's part of me that wanted to just ask you what those stories were, but I'm afraid that you have children, and one day they'll find out what you said. So, yeah, yeah.

Lauren 1:01:39
Well, for sure, and there's probably going to be so many people that listen to this that I know that. You know we gotta keep those, keep those locked up. You gotta keep

Scott Benner 1:01:47
your crazy childhood stories aside.

Lauren 1:01:49
Alright, oh yeah, yeah, we'll keep those and ruin the ball.

Scott Benner 1:01:53
Alright. Well, I think you should probably try wheat again.

Lauren 1:01:57
Yeah. I mean, hey, yeah, no, it's Yeah. I mean, I know it works, right? So I did eat an edible once, and that was the worst experience of my life. So I won't ever do

Scott Benner 1:02:06
that, though. Yeah, the people who smoke will tell you that the way that the edibles metabolize is just too like, you know unknowable. So it's not really something that you can kind of manage,

Lauren 1:02:17
no, for sure. I mean, a little bit goes a long way, and I had no idea, so I ate a full, like hat, almost a full cookie. Yeah, I had to actually call my my diabetic brother, and say, I'm dying. You need to come help me from the couch to the bed, and I'm gonna die here.

Scott Benner 1:02:35
There's that great 911 call the guy gets on and he's like, my wife and I tried weed, and we're dead. It's such an old, like, internet clip, but I love it. I just love how assured he is that he's dead, but he's calling for help. It's awesome, but no, I mean, listen, I'm not pushing drugs on you. But, I mean, if it helped you in the past, and I don't know, yeah, yeah, no, my husband has

Lauren 1:02:58
mentioned it to me a couple times. Is that while you're yelling at drawing or something, yeah,

Scott Benner 1:03:07
he's like, maybe you should get high and stop yelling at me.

Just be nicer. I'm

building a house. Leave me alone. It's fine. If you didn't torture him, somebody else would. So,

Lauren 1:03:22
oh, I know he's total opposite of me too. Like, super quiet, yeah, yeah, yeah, he'd be so bored. Though, if he wasn't married to me, I actually I tell him, like, I think he would be bored.

Scott Benner 1:03:32
Oh, is that what you tell yourself? Yeah, yeah. My wife says that too. She's like, you like being challenged. I'm like, not this much. Yeah, not this much. You can back off once in a while. It's okay, like, what if Scott had an easy day? Every once in again, you know what I mean. All right, Lauren, I like you. You This was fun. I appreciate you doing this with me. Well, yes, thank you for having me on was it actually fun? You said you did it for fun. Did it actually end up being fun?

Lauren 1:04:02
This was so fun. Oh, good, yeah, this is so fun. Oh, good. I'm glad, excellent. I would say, Let's do it again, but it took, it took so long to come on. So you know, maybe I'll see you on my journey. Yeah, yeah,

Scott Benner 1:04:13
yeah. If you sign back up now, you could probably get back on in a couple of years. Yeah, yeah. Listen, and so that, you know, I'm going to ask Rob right now just bleep out completely so nobody knows what I said there, and let their minds filled in, and also bleep it out just now where I said it again. So, and you could leave this part in Rob, so there you go. I don't want you great. I don't want your daughter here in this one being like, wait, what?

Lauren 1:04:37
Yeah, yeah, yeah. Or Mike's not into, which you you probably know, you know he's

Scott Benner 1:04:41
older. I don't know, with how pushy you are, I'm assuming he'll figure that out on his own. But yeah, all right, this is gone off the rails. We're definitely calling this one disappearing targets. And yes, thank you very much. I'll talk to you. Hold on one second for me. Okay, you.

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