#943 Campfire Stories

June 29, 2023Scott Benner

Nancy's daughter has type 1 diabetes.

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Scott Benner 0:00
Hello friends, and welcome to episode 943 of the Juicebox Podcast.

On today's episode of The Juicebox Podcast, I'll be speaking with Nancy. Nancy is the mother of three, one of her children has type one diabetes, the others have other issues that we'll talk about briefly. While you're listening, please remember that nothing you hear on the Juicebox Podcast should be considered advice, medical or otherwise, always consult a physician before making any changes to your health care plan, or becoming bold with insulin. Don't forget to check out the private Facebook group Juicebox Podcast type one diabetes, there's over 40,000 members and the conversation is happening right now that you may be very interested in. You can get five free travel packs in a year supply of vitamin D. When you go to my link athletic greens.com forward slash juice box. That's right start with ag one today and get those five free travel packs and a year supply of vitamin D at my link athletic greens.com forward slash juice box and you can save 35% off your entire order at cozy earth.com. Just use the offer code juice box at checkout. bath towels, bedding clothing cozy Earth has it all. The podcast is sponsored today by better help better help is the world's largest therapy service and is 100% online. With better help, you can tap into a network of over 25,000 licensed and experienced therapists who can help you with a wide range of issues. betterhelp.com forward slash juicebox to get started, you just answer a few questions about your needs and preferences in therapy. That way BetterHelp can match you with the right therapist from their network. And when you use my link, you'll save 10% On your first month of therapy. You can message your therapist at any time and schedule live sessions when it's convenient for you. Talk to them however you feel comfortable text chat phone or video call. If your therapist isn't the right fit for any reason at all. You can switch to a new therapist at no additional charge. And the best part for me is that with better help you get the same professionalism and quality you expect from in office therapy. But with a therapist who is custom picked for you, and you're gonna get more scheduling flexibility, and a more affordable price. betterhelp.com forward slash juicebox that's better help h e l p.com. Forward slash juicebox. Save 10% On your first month of therapy.

Nancy 2:47
I feel like I'm meeting a celebrity. Oh, well, you

Scott Benner 2:50
obviously are. You're not meeting a person who just went downstairs and had to mop up dog urine because because this dog is 15 years old. doesn't know when to give up. That's not what's happening here at all. Yeah. Now. You're not talking to a guy who was just in his kid's room shaking or going. You said to get you up. You said Yeah, yeah, I'm famous.

Nancy 3:16
I'll say this year I get to talk to you last year. I got to meet Dr. Stephen ponder. Did you really? Yes, yes.

Scott Benner 3:22
Were you in Texas or was it somewhere else?

Nancy 3:24
No, he actually came and spoke to a group in my area. I live in Georgia. Okay. My Endocrinologist, Dr. Hutchins is in Macon, Georgia, which is about middle of the state. And she did some just sort of a family day with some vendors. And he came in he was our speaker and had some activities for the kids and things like that. And he was there. So

Scott Benner 3:48
Oh, that's lovely. Jessica, right. Yes. Love. Dr.

Nancy 3:51
Hutchins. She's

Scott Benner 3:52
wonderful. Okay, well, I apparently my children live on either side of

Nancy 4:00
that. Yes. Yes. I kind of suspected I know that you I didn't feel like in any of the podcast or your post. You're real specific. But I kind of guessed that. Your daughter was kind of in my vicinity.

Scott Benner 4:11
Yeah, yeah. I'm supposed to say that. She's in Connecticut. Okay, so or Chicago or something? That's

Nancy 4:18
it's pretty hot in Connecticut this time of year. That's where she is. Chicago.

Scott Benner 4:24
But my son is in Atlanta, but he's, he's trying to get out pretty quickly. So,

Nancy 4:30
yeah, well, my town is uh, we're almost the southernmost town in Georgia. So I'm about an hour north of Tallahassee, Florida. Oh, wow. So I'm all the way at the bottom of the state. So which is geographically challenging with a type one diabetic because they're rare and big town so especially in rural Georgia, harder to find somebody. So the nearest town Hassey Jacksonville Savannah, Macon Atlanta. So

Scott Benner 5:04
are they great once you get there? Dr. Hutchins is

Nancy 5:07
yeah she is but previous one that we used not so much and unfortunately I spent way too much time with her.

Scott Benner 5:15
Oh, yeah, that can definitely happen. Well speaking time I have perfected the Georgia to New Jersey 14 hour drive.

Nancy 5:21
Oh my gosh. That sounds gross.

Scott Benner 5:24
It's horrible. It has moments where it's worse. To name those moments. South Carolina.

Nancy 5:34
Savannah is a really neat place. That was part of my my husband's honeymoon. We did Jekyll Island State at the Jekyll Island Club then went to Savannah and Charleston.

Scott Benner 5:44
Oh, that's lovely. You know, so Arden was there for a year. And we were picking her up. We're by the way we're recording Nancy. Is that okay? Okay. We were picking her up at the end of her first year. And, like helping her like we actually went and visited our son and then we went to get her and helped her brain, like put stuff in storage and like it was our first time everything. We went to help her out. And Arden has a car at school. So Kelly says to me, I know this is hokey, but let's take like a trolley tour of Savannah. Yes, I was like, okay, so Arden's making fun of us. She goes those tour people just stare at us, you know, and I'm like, I'm like, why won't stare at you already know who you are. And we're on the trolley tour. And Arden's got one more class. One more class to go. And my phone rings. And I'm on the tour, but it's art and so I pick it up. And she is pretty hysterically crying. And she's going Dad, dad, a man, a man, dad a man hit Oh, no, like and I'm like, wait a man hit you on like, wait, what's happening? And she's really upset. Arden's not like real flammable. So I was like, yeah, what's going on here? And now I'm worried that someone's like, like, physically attacked her. Yeah, I'm like, I'm like, calm down. I'm like, what, what's happening? And she's like, I was stopped at a red light. And a guy on a motorized bicycle hit me. I'm like, Okay. And I'm like, are you alright? Yeah. And I'm like, is he alright? She was, I think so he stood up and yelled at me for a while and then ran away. And I'm like, Wait, what happened? Like, so I'm like, calm down. I'm like, if you're, you know, like, you're, you're off the road. She's like, I pulled over and I'm like, okay, and I hear talking to somebody, but I don't get a lot of context for that call. Anyway. So she says, you know, there was this guy on this old busted up like, bike that was, yeah, rised. And he was driving really slow. So like a block or so back. She went around him, she stopped. She stopped at a light and was stopped at the light for a bit and looked in her mirror and thought, but he's coming at me quickly. And then she kept looking and thinking, Oh my God, he's gonna hit me. And she's like, I tried to just like, should I like, pull out into the intersection like swerves. Yes. And a red light or cars next to me. I couldn't really do anything. And he kind of veers the last second and catches the back left corner of her car. But what had her so upset was that he flew through the air pass. Oh, that's her driver's window. And I think that was it like the human body flinging made her really upset. Yeah. So she gets out. She's like, are you okay? And he starts yelling at her. And she's like, wait, what? Why are you yelling at me? Like, what happened just now? And he goes, You can't do that. And she goes, what? And he goes, Stop at like a yellow light. And she goes, you're supposed to Yeah, and he goes, Well, you have to know the brakes on my bike. Don't work that quickly. Well, how are

Nancy 8:52
you supposed to know that?

Scott Benner 8:53
I don't know. That's what she wondered. So then they start yelling at each other, like a little bit. And then he just gets flustered and she's like, are you okay? Like, let's make sure you're okay first. And he gets flustered picks the bike up, throws it down a hill on the side of the road off an embankment and runs away into the city. So she pulls over to talk to me. And later she says to me, I pull over and she does that. Like if you want to know what it's like to be a pretty girl and I'm like, okay, she was like, pull over. And I'm very upset. I'm I have a person in my car with me who I don't know that well. Well, I'm just taking taking her to class. She's like, can I call you because I know you're here. And as I'm getting you on the phone, she goes an honest to god crackhead comes up to me and goes, Hey, you from New Jersey. And she's like, not now buddy. So he's, he's like he's hitting on her in a park. Yeah. A

Nancy 10:01
lot of panhandlers in Savannah. And we call them the woohoo girls, all the girls there.

Scott Benner 10:09
Because you yell woohoo app. Or they're yelling. Yeah. So anyway, she's like, and then I just calmed her down. And then I pulled my parenting hat on. And I was like, listen, you're okay. The car is okay. I'm like, you have a class to go to. It's your last class. You're presenting your project. You to pull yourself together and go to that class. Yeah. And I was like, and when you come out, I promise I'll be standing in the parking lot. Yeah. And so I just, you know, couple hours later made sure I was there when she came out. She told us the whole story. He was laughing. But anyway, you visit Savannah?

Nancy 10:47
Yeah, we used to go almost every year, like whether it was for our anniversary or Valentine's Day or special trip or whatever. We haven't been in a while. The drive from my town to Savannah. While it's not 14 hours, it's long, boring. Nothing to look at all the way there. So it's kind of a boring drive. I'm

Scott Benner 11:07
just gonna tell you that. 18 months ago, I had only ever been to Atlanta or to Georgia. Once in my entire life, maybe twice. And now I feel like I live there. So yeah, yeah. Anyway, it's a it's a nice area, I guess. Yeah. My son does not like Atlanta.

Nancy 11:24
I could understand that. My son interned at Atlanta Athletic Club. I guess it's been three summers ago. And the Johns Creek area lived up there. And his fiancee because he they offered him a job after graduation. And his fiancee was like, I don't want to live in Atlanta. No, thank you.

Scott Benner 11:43
I'm not usually a person to talk like this. Because I live in the northeast and I love driving fast and recklessly at times. But Atlanta driving in Atlanta is

Nancy 11:53
Yeah, yeah. It's a sport. contact sport. Sometimes

Scott Benner 11:57
I've seen to hit and runs, and I've only been to Atlanta three times. Yeah. Anyway, okay. So Nancy, we already know you're Nancy. Yes. You are the parent of a type one or you have type one yourself.

Nancy 12:10
I'm a parent of a type one. Elena.

Scott Benner 12:14
Yeah. Tell me about Elena, please.

Nancy 12:15
So Elena is birthday, ironically, is today Happy Birthday, Atlanta, she turned 17. Congratulations. We just celebrated her 10 year diversity. She was six when she was diagnosed. So I guess, diagnosis story, how we figured it out? Well, are just about her.

Scott Benner 12:38
Like how you're going into like how you're thinking of the big round picture. Let's let's start with, are there any other autoimmune issues in your family?

Nancy 12:46
Yes. So my oldest son who will be 23, in a few months, two years ago, was diagnosed with Crohn's disease. My grandfather, my paternal grandfather, had celiac disease. Both my dad and his dad, paternal grandfather. I know my dad has type two, I've always been told my grandfather had type two. He was insulin dependent, before he passed. And I've often wondered with him having celiac. Was it a misdiagnosis? Or just,

Scott Benner 13:28
you know, was it a late in life diagnosis? Celiac was yes, but his diabetes required insulin was longer. The requirement

Nancy 13:37
of insulin didn't happen until later. So it could have just been I guess the progression of type two was my dad nor my grandfather are overweight, big people as a stereotype we talk about a lot as parents, but I just remember as a child, seeing him with the syringes and some insulin. Not knowing Yeah, blast to the future that that would, you know, be us. But so type two, he had celiac. There's been a few times that I've wondered if my middle child my other son had some gluten issues, but we've not done like true tests, but sort of tried to eliminate diet and stuff. But yes, my oldest has Crohn's.

Scott Benner 14:31
That's a pretty rich history of of issues, I would say.

Nancy 14:35
Yeah. And yeah, I always laugh and tease that my husband and I just created these great medical anomalies. Our oldest has Crohn's, our middle son who's 20 has epilepsy. My daughter who's the youngest seven team has diabetes, and she has seizure disorder as well.

Scott Benner 14:54
Oh, no kidding. How's your dog? My dog? See, okay, Yeah. I didn't know if maybe you guys were like the epicenter of something.

Nancy 15:04
Yeah, no. Whenever David and Elena started having seizures, my mom was like, There's something at your house. You can't go back to your house. There's something going on there. Because Ironically, when their seizures started, it was days apart. So we we both Yeah, I can see how we thought it was environmental. But Elena has not had a seizure in over two years, which is never, in my opinion, diabetic related. She had on a Dexcom I could always see her blood sugar. No testing has ever told us anything about her seizures. We've done MRIs, CTS, the was an EEG, that's the brain. I always get that. But worn monitors, we've done DNA testing, David's they can diagnose and see right where it's happening on the brain, hers not so much. So it's been over two years. And one of her last appointments they are discussing weaning her off her seizure meds, maybe it was the column psychosomatic, not that she's faking them, but there's no, there's physical or physiological. I know what the right word would be reason that they can see why she's having her seizures. So David went through a lot his junior and senior year of high school, and has a lot of mental health struggles with the seizures. And so we're holding off until she finishes her senior year to titrate her off the seizure meds because I don't want her to miss out on senior year if stuff starts happening, and

Scott Benner 16:40
are there side effects of the medication? Yes,

Nancy 16:43
Elena, thankfully has never experienced any side effects that I know of. Dave David, yes, we've had to change a few times he had what they call cap rage from Keppra gives you rage issues. Some of his medicines have caused weight gain, and just the disease itself. And the side effects from some of the seizure meds is a terrible tornado of mental health. grossness, so.

Scott Benner 17:16
That's a lot. How old are you?

Nancy 17:19
I am 48.

Scott Benner 17:21
Okay. Your daughter's diagnosed at Did you say six at six? And how does that come about?

Nancy 17:29
So we just, uh, I can't remember how long we'd had our camper. We were tent campers as a young married couple and then started having our kids went on a few tent camping adventures. And then we eventually got us a little camper. So met my parents at a campground for the weekend to camp the weekend. Elena had had her field day on Friday. And then when school's out, we drove over and went to the campground and noticed that she was going to the bathroom a lot. She was thirsty a lot. But I was like, oh, maybe it's just because we're in the camper. And maybe it's just because I'm having to walk all the way to the bathhouse and I'm just, I'm more aware of it because we're not at home and shit. You know, I'm more involved in your bathroom visits. And then by the second day, like she'd ride her bike, she go down to my mom's camper, which is not very far away. We're a state park. Thirsty, haven't used the bathroom again, back in ours thirsty, haven't used the bathroom again. And my mom and I sat around the campfire. When my brother was younger, one of his friends was diagnosed with type one very similar symptoms to Elena. And my mom said, You know what the sounds like and I was like, Yeah, I was like, but no. Well with my dad and type two, I was like, Well, does he have his meter with him? We can pray? Well, he didn't. My uncle was there. He didn't have nobody had a meter or couldn't prick her finger. So we're just there Friday, Saturday, Sunday, came back home Sunday. And at that time, we lived in Middle Georgia. And I was a ParaPRO and a kindergarten class. My kindergarten teacher my class used to be a nurse and went back and got her master's in education. So I called her and I was telling her the symptoms and she was like, let's just hope it's a UTI. I was like, Yeah, but a UTI. You don't go to the bathroom. You just feel like you need to go to the bathroom. She's gone to the bathroom. Yeah. So we got to school Monday morning. And I asked the school nurse I said can you just dip her urine and see if she has a UTI. And so she dipped her urine and the glucose part on the strip, turned colors. So she pricked her finger, and she was 365. And she's like, You need to call your pediatrician. I was like, okay, so I went out to the car almonds are the school and I was calling the pediatrician I was on hold, telling him the symptoms on hold whites. And she started getting nauseous. And our stomach started bothering her everything. And that's when the doctor told me like, you just need to hang up and go to the ER. Well, even though I'm rural, where I live now, I was very, I mean, I was an hour away from pretty much any hospital 45 minutes to an hour. But all of my co workers, I mean, the principal, the school immediately was like, what do we have to do, she's gone and gather and somebody to drive me to the ER, they're getting my purse, they're getting the latest things. And the next thing I know, the teacher that I worked with, is driving us to the ER my car, and I'm in the backseat with Elena, and she's just reassuring me the whole way there. This is going to be fine. You're you're super intelligent. If any parent can handle this disease, it's you. God knew what He was doing. Whenever he gave a line to you, as a parent to manage this disease, you're going to be fine. So that was the pep talk. I got all the way there may I'm just like, What are you talking about? I have no idea what I'm going into. So we went to the hospital, where her pediatrician is, and it's a smaller hospital. And then I have a I would call it like a sister or like a cousin hospital. They're not affiliated but a bigger hospital nearby that he also has. He can see patients. Yeah. So we went to the first small one because it was the closest and I went to the window and I said I'm here with my daughter. She's starting to feel nauseous. I think she has diabetes. I need to have somebody look at her. She's like, I can't admit you to the ER, just because you think she has diabetes. I'm gonna need you to tell me something else.

Scott Benner 21:51
Okay, I want saw big foot while I was like, outgoing. She's like,

Nancy 21:57
that's just not something I can. Oh, okay. She's nauseous. She's throwing up, she doesn't feel that's what got us in the ER not scared that we have type one diabetes, which is very dangerous. Now I know that 10 years later, it was she's throwing up.

Scott Benner 22:12
That's what what's the tree to human ratio where you are? The what? The tree to human ratio. There's lots of trees, okay, I'm just trying to figure out what I'm talking about here. So you had to drive an hour to get to someplace where nobody knew what they were talking about?

Nancy 22:28
Well, what's the pediatrician that called him from his office and he came over. And my husband's still taught us about this. I don't know if it was a student, or a medical student or a nurse or whatever. I mean, our heads are spinning, we have no idea. We didn't know anybody with type one diabetes, I don't know what I was getting into. She just came up to us. And she said, I just feel really sorry for you. And walked out of the room. And I was like,

Scott Benner 22:55
what? Wait, this is a student nurse. I was either a nurse

Nancy 22:59
or a student doctor, someone on the medical staff. It was not just a random person in the hallway, it was actually a hospital medical staff. And that's nobody has yet even said, this is the diagnosis. This is what's going on. And

Scott Benner 23:15
can I say something? You've motivated me? Hold on a second. Okay. Like we've ever done this before. I want everybody listening to picture 30 people that they know. And then tell yourself, like, go through them. And tell me how many of them are really, really bright people. And let's keep that in mind. While we're discussing how all the things you go to get your tires changed. You need new tires, and the person you're talking to you're thinking like, Oh, God, I'm like, I'm afraid to let them touch my car. Or, but But you know, there's a there's one person at the tire place like you've been there before you like, you know, there's one there that knows what they're doing. But where where is he and you're looking around and you don't see him? You're talking to this one instead? You're like, oh, no, no, no, no, they're definitely gonna mess my car up. Or when you're in a clothing store, and the person helping you seems to be staring at a wall or or you're in a hospital and someone says something to you like that. Like, yeah, I I think we all need to stop being so surprised by this. Yeah, that's all. And I'm not saying I'm brilliant. I'm not saying that. I'm not saying that. There are people out there. I just think there are there are levels of understanding people, people, you know, have different levels of of understanding. Have you ever noticed when you talk to somebody that you can't go sometimes more than like three thoughts deep before use them? Right.

Nancy 24:43
Yeah. And I tell a lot of people through the last 10 years with diabetes. Before that diagnosis, I help medical people and I apologize to anybody in the medical community that's listening. I used to hold them at a higher regard than I do. Now, I absolutely go into a medical situation, especially at an AR, or non endocrinology environment. I go into the environment with the assumption that everyone in there is ignorant of diabetes, and I'm the smartest person in the room with about diabetes. And you're not going to tell me what is right and wrong to do. I'm the boss of diabetes. Also my shut up and let me manage until

Scott Benner 25:28
someone proves otherwise, I'll give you exactly. Because so far

Nancy 25:31
99% of our experiences at a hospital or that type of environment that's not endocrine, they're ignorant. And I'm using that word not in a derogatory way in the uneducated. Oh,

Scott Benner 25:46
it's yeah, I want to say something. And I mean this like, sincerely. I know and love people who are not like, people who can think two or three steps into a problem. I'm not saying I'm not saying there's anything wrong with you, if that's how your mind works, or, like, I'm not saying you're better, if you can think six levels deep into a problem. I genuinely genuinely don't think that I think people are lovely, like, yes, you know, yeah, but there's a lot of jobs to fill. Yeah. And very often, they get filled by people who in an ideal situation wouldn't hold that job. And then you don't know who's who, because you're in the tire store. And your, your assumption is, well, everyone here must know about wheels and tires, right? But that's not always the case.

Nancy 26:36
Right? Yeah. Well, just like so whenever we got transferred to the larger hospital, and our pediatrician was still caring for us. One of the things another just so like, blew my mind. There pricking her finger, we were there for like six or seven days, staying in for obviously getting our blood sugar regulated, but they let us stay for education. kept us admitted to the hospital for that. And one nurse that was our nurse for the evening. When she'd come in to prick her finger to check her blood sugar. She'd put a bandaid on our finger, like stop putting a bandaid on her finger. Like she's gonna have band aids all over. Stop and she would keep putting the band aids on her finger like what do you do and I don't draw blood. You just pricked her finger. If she goes through life putting a bandaid on her fingertip Every time she's testing her blood sugar, we've been covered. I am not bashful. Again. I forgive any. Forgive my edit. Please apologize for my attitude. I have fired doctors and I have fired nurses. In the midst of medical care. I have told nurses to leave our room. I have told doctors that I do not trust their medical judgment and that I do not want to see them anymore. I have told nurses and doctors, I don't think you know how to care for this. I want someone higher than you. I want someone to call my endocrinologist call somebody else. Elena several years ago, broke her leg. And we had to have surgery for it. And in the ER that's all I kept panicking about like you're not even checking her blood sugar. And she didn't have a Dexcom at the time. So it had to be a fingerprint. I understand you're gonna take care of her broken leg. But what about what? The last time I checked it was when we're flying here in the car, and I checked her blood sugar to see where she was. When she was in recovery, her primary care doctor called while they were given him the update and everything and they came to the door in the waiting room. They're like the doctor wants to talk to you on the phone. Okay, and I picked up the phone and he's I understand you're a little nervous about the diabetes care. I said I'm very nervous. I mean, nobody's even paying attention to it. He said how about I write in the records that you make all diabetes decisions and they can't do anything without your okay, I said that would be perfect. And that's what we did for that hospital stay.

Scott Benner 29:07
I want to say to this is not me being like a geography snob I've been in I don't want to say where because they're lovely people, but I've been in some more in a really prestigious medical institution. Where I'm pretty sure that if I would have listened to those people, Arden would have been lucky to have an ad one say yeah, and they are shiny and smart and have degrees from places you would be impressed by. And still that was it. Like I'm not saying it's because it's in Georgia and I know I joked earlier about the tree to people but I just really just looking for a title for the episode. And and but but uh, but seriously, like in any place in anytime and listen, you can go through I mean, you look at all the trouble we seem to have sometimes with policing Yeah. And yet I know police officers that are just salt of the earth, people who do a really great job all day long. And I know we get focused on the people who don't do a good job, right? More often than not, and there's reason for that, obviously, it's important. But if you can get into, and those are the positions, you said it earlier, right, like you held people in the medical field in very high regard, but really, for no reason. Just Chairman just like me. Exactly. But you just assumed well, they went to more schooling than I did. Yeah, they do a hard thing I don't understand. And so they must be smarter than me.

Nancy 30:33
But if you're just a general practitioner, if you're just a general, er, staff nurse, yeah, I mean, you can do trauma, and stuff like that. But I mean, when's the last time you counted carbs? When's the last time you did you know, a corrective factor for insulin? When's the last time I doctors I know that they're not super medical, but eye doctor years and years ago, she was getting her eyes checked. And he said how she checked her blood sugar today.

Scott Benner 31:03
That happens constantly to people.

Nancy 31:05
I'm like, Huh? Like, of course she did. Right? Well, what was her blood sugar when she checked it? I posted this and I think you mentioned it in another podcast, or I don't know if it was Jenny or somebody. Y'all are talking about my comment. I was like, which blood sugar testing? Do you want the one just before walked in here? The one on the way here? The one at launch? The one after her snag the one this morning was? I mean, she's on index calm? Yeah, yeah, we check her blood sugar. If we didn't, we might make a terrible decision. And she would die.

Scott Benner 31:36
Let me now I'm going to stick up for the other side. This is my favorite part about talking. I love taking all sides of ideas. You said something earlier? That completely explains why an eye doctor who's? Who's really just trying to say are you I see you have diabetes? I don't really know anything about it. I hope you're paying attention to it because diabetic retina, right? Like that's what's in their head. Right? Right. And why why is that something? So first of all, we can expect the eye doctor to understand type one diabetes, that will correct. And you went camping with two people who had diabetes? Who didn't even bring a meter with them. Yes, that's true. That's true. So you're now making have already previously made the point of the physicians who are just like saying things like, Hey, you check your blood sugar once in a while, right. And so you get put in this type one world, where it's, I'm being honest, if people manage if a person's managing their type two diabetes properly, they'd have as much knowledge of diabetes as you do as a person with tight like managing a time person, right? Where would that fall short? Is there a lot more people like your your family who like went into the woods, and it's like diabetes, not while I'm camping? And you don't have that luxury? Because, you know, she has type one, not type two.

Nancy 32:59
I will say that for my dad since a lightens diagnosis. And as he's gotten older, I think but I don't know, I'm gonna guess. And I have no idea if my parents will listen to this podcast. But I want to guess that having the experience of what we pay attention to. He's always been, I mean, a fairly healthy eater. He pays attention a little bit more to Well, what was my agency? And what can I do better? You know, before my next checkup, and he does monitors blood sugar a little more frequently than the camping trip era. So I don't know if it kind of opened his eyes to and we'll talk sometimes like even though they're different, but you know. So I think it's made him more aware of if he is more in tuned with his then possibly he'd have better results. I

Scott Benner 33:57
think that's completely common, right? Somebody just shows you the things like I don't think people are nobodies. Most people there we go. I don't believe I don't believe that most people are willfully ignorant of things. Right. I think that your you know, father's doing what he thought he was supposed to be doing. And type two doesn't kill you quickly. So it's hard to know why it would be important. I'm up, I'm alive. I'm doing my stuff. Like, I have type two diabetes, but I'm okay. Yeah. Nope. It's it's because I just don't think that people in general understand. Yeah, they're their bodies in many different ways, like so to tell them like the your blood sugar's higher. It's not good for you. So we want to keep it lower. Is not, it's not the full picture. The full picture is if you have diabetes, I don't care what kind it is. And you're not managing it in a way that your body can do. deal with, you will eventually die of something related to those high blood sugars. Right? It might, you know, it might say heart attack, it might say seizure, it might say stroke, it might say all kinds of things on your death certificate. But in general, it's going to be because the level of sugar in your blood was too high for too long. Right? You know, and just the same as you see, I mean, my favorite example is people smoke their whole lives. And they'll always be like, doesn't it's not getting me like, I don't know what they're talking about, I'm fine. And then eventually, they die of respiratory heart failure, which is directly from their, their smoking. But there's also people who won't get up and exercise who eventually will die of not doing that, and, or eating like foods, such a great example. You and I can go out now to a fast food restaurant, and eat it. Yeah. And eventually, that fast food will come out the other side of us. And we'll be like, Wow, we have completed the cycle. Everything is fine. But it's not really fine. Because you have slightly degraded the your body by doing that. Not enough to die in the moment, right? It's not poisoned, you don't like you don't eat the whatever you just bought, and you're just body just because it shuts off. But if you think of yourself as being at 100, the day you're born, you know, on day 3000 When you have a chicken nugget that was made in oil, that's probably not chicken, your number moves down a slightly little bit. But yeah, there's gonna be a full point, but you are taking away from your body's ability to stay alive. Yeah, right. And, and life is already trying to do that. So not a lot of reasons to help it is what I'm saying. That's all Yeah. And you know, I'm a hypocrite like everybody else. Yeah, we all Yeah, but I'm not. I'm not saying like, I'm not saying it to put paint out a picture that if you all would just be I just said, y'all, I've only been talking to you for talking to me a little bit. And I'm already I'm about to find a banjo. But, but but I'm not saying that saying like, you need to be perfect or you're going to die. I'm saying you need to understand the impacts of the things you're doing. Right. That's pretty much it. That's all and I think the disease of diabetes forces you to think about those persons. Yeah, it's your understanding.

Nancy 37:30
Yeah, just so. But then for type one, my, not my initial goal. I mean, I had some mentors reach out to me whenever Elena was diagnosed, and as I don't want to talk to anybody, but eventually I did connected with some other moms and support groups, local support groups and online support groups and things like that. And when I met Dr. Hutchins, she's the one that introduced me to the Juicebox Podcast and listen to that. But my goal for wherever I am, wherever Elena's participating has always been to be a voice and an advocate. Our school system has some great nurses, we have a great nurse coordinator. I've never been disappointed with Elena's care at school. I've never been scared or nervous. When she was diagnosed, we were in the middle of relocating. So we were relocating from Middle Georgia to South Georgia, where we live now is where I grew up. It's my hometown, were moving back here after I'd been gone for 20 years. But where I lived, we had been there for a while I knew the school nurse personally, I knew all the teachers, and I'm fixing to be thrown into a new school system that I know, no one sure I might bump into somebody I went to high school with to have a talk to him and 15 or 20 years, I was going into a panic, I was like I should homeschooler I'm not going to send her to school. I don't know these people. I did not do that she went to school. But my goal has always been to be an advocate and to be a voice for diabetes. Wherever we go, whether it's school, or extracurricular, or family or friends or wherever, because the more everyone knows that's around her, the better people are going to care for her. If something happens, the more that people know, the more educated I educate two or three people, you educate two or three people then they educate three or four people and so on and so forth. Maybe some of those stigmas and the the misunderstandings or just all of our type one kids can have a better quality of life, socially. If more people understand what this disease

Scott Benner 39:48
is, yeah, you're putting up those little signs around the world that when you see them you think why is this necessary, but at one point, it was I saw a sign once on a an overlook with like a little bit of water below it, and it just said, don't jump will cause that. And I was like, wow, they had to put a sign here to stop people from jumping off of this. Like who they weren't trying to kill themselves. They were like you could jump off this and live, right? It happened enough times that somebody in power was like, I have to educate people that they can't jump from here. And so when that when that needs to be done, like this is, I mean, you're doing a good thing. You're just out there. I think of it as like being Johnny Appleseed like you just you a little information behind, and hopefully a tree grows. And you know, you don't stay to watch the tree grow. You just go on, right. Yeah. Hopefully this happens.

Nancy 40:43
And I've been excited to watch a lineup grow into it, because when she was young, she didn't want people to see her prick her finger. She didn't want people to see her given her shots and stuff like that. And fast forward to the last several years. She's become her own voice, her own advocate. Now, she's not one that gets super butthurt over diabetes jokes. There's a few that she's like, Come on, guys, come on. But she's not too bashful that if a teacher or an adult around her says something. She's like, Come on, guys. You know, that's not true. Yeah, I didn't eat a lot of like, you know, I didn't do she'll correct them politely. So she's, and there's been a few times that her and the school nurse maybe didn't see eye to eye because I know school nurses manage it a little bit differently than we would at home. They're more cautious. I get that. But as she was finding her voice, and you know, if a nurse is like, Oh, you're 85, you need to correct she's like, correct. Why would I treat at 85 like that. That's a great number. I'm gonna, she's learned to have her voice. I'm super proud of her. She loves showing off her devices. Couple of years ago, she started modeling for a local former workshop. And she's purposefully tried to have her Potter Dexcom exposed when she's modeling, so that she's an advocate for other teams. And she's even said some adults that don't want to show their devices. She has a little Instagram that she posts every once in a while. She's not like the super influence or anything but everyone smile Omni pod has. She just did what we taste as a media blitz for her die aversary With Omni pod, and she was interviewed by a local TV station and several newspapers and articles about her. So she's much more outspoken and willing to somebody comes up to her and says, What's that on your arm? She's like, Oh, well, let me tell you about it, and blah, blah.

Scott Benner 42:48
Can I tell you what Arne just shared with me while she was meeting, so all of her girlfriends are home, right? But they all went to different colleges. Obviously, they're back now for the summer. And she was in this scenario, like on a big video call with a bunch of friends from one of her. One of her friends colleges. And they all sort of know each other because they talk about each other. And you know, they don't really and Arden's like talking, she's on camera, bunch of this big group. And someone says, not with any sense of irony, they weren't joking. And they weren't being cruel. Like they just they they said the thing out loud that they thought, You know what I mean? Yes, all her pod on her arm and said, Hey, what's that on your arm? Is that for autism? Well, I've never heard that one. And Arden goes wide. Any and I didn't know that you could wear a pod for autism? I don't think you can is the point. I mean, I'm not a I'm not a what you would call like, an absolute person who knows everything about autism, but I'm gonna just go out on a limb and say, yeah, the kid was probably that pretty wrong. Right? Yeah. And, but Arden didn't like she goes, No, she's like, I have diabetes. And this is where I get my insulin from. Right. And then all the other kids kind of made fun of the kid like, What are you talking about? You know, but But honestly, honest statement. That back, Carolina's been asked if it was a nicotine patch. That even makes a little sense. Yeah.

Nancy 44:20
Was it a birth control? Patch? Interesting. Sometimes little kids, you know, and she says it's difficult with younger kids, because you know, how detailed do you get? How vague, are you? She teases sometimes that she's a robot, and that's part of the parts of her robot. And she has we're Apple people. So with the Omnipod five, we have to have the separate controller. And people ask why she has two phones and she's she has all these scenarios. She's like, Oh, I'm a spy. And that's my contact phone. That's how they contact me or Oh, that's my business line. That's how so she has fun with it sometimes. So I'm glad that she's here. From the beginning, from diagnosis, we've always respected the disease. But we have never ever made it a big scary monster to her.

Scott Benner 45:10
Yeah, Arden didn't make a big deal out of it, she explained. And then they moved on. And she didn't break the kids balls over. Right?

Nancy 45:17
Yeah. And that's sort of Halloween, he handles it. And she can have fun with it and not be totally offended and a guest that, you know, yeah. So I'm glad that she's old enough now and embraces that and understands. Just like, I know, there's a ton of memes out there that say this. But the day before Lennon was diagnosed, I didn't know either. So why should I assume that everybody else does? Yeah,

Scott Benner 45:43
it's a weird thing to put on somebody. There's, I say all the time. There's plenty of medical issues. I don't understand. I wouldn't, you know, and I wouldn't be mad at somebody for not understanding my life. Right? When it becomes like that feeling like you had with a broken leg like, well, your ignorance is going to cause me a real problem. That's when it the panic kind of sets in. Right. I need you to understand this right now.

Nancy 46:06
But I will, I will say that took care of her way we did fine, didn't manage well, they let me count carbs and calculate. You can ever think you found

Scott Benner 46:15
the guy who understood the wheels and the tires, and he got it all set up for you to pick through the shop a while till you found him I will just

Nancy 46:21
I just would want if a parent is listening, that if you're ever in a medical scenario, you know best how to care for your diabetic child, do not let the intimidation factor of someone with a degree tell you otherwise. You take care of your kid. But and if they're being if they object to that, ask for someone over them. Ask for a patient advocate ask, you know best how to care for your diabetic child, not them. Yeah,

Scott Benner 46:51
it's not rude to expect somebody No.

Nancy 46:53
You know, I mean, we would do it in other scenarios. Yeah. Well, 100% I mean, if you order your food, and it's wrong, what do we do? We we question and we say, This isn't what are ordered, or this seems a little undercooked or whatever. Why wouldn't we do the same thing for our children? Some people

Scott Benner 47:10
eat it? That's true. Yeah, that's so I heard you say something that surprised me a second ago. Cellphones made all the way to where you live. That's fantastic.

Nancy 47:20
We have running water and indoors. That's crazy.

Scott Benner 47:23
But speaking of technology is what I was going for. You is your daughter using Omni pod five?

Nancy 47:31
Yes. So we started Omni pod five. I'm gonna guess we've been on a little over

Scott Benner 47:36
a year. Okay. And how are you? I love it.

Nancy 47:40
I love it. Love it. We have to reset the controller with the replacement they sent us We haven't done that yet. We're doing that at the next pod change. But I want it. I heard something a podcast the other day. Our Basal to Bolus is right in that sweet spot of almost 5050 5050. So I don't want to start over from square one. Just I mean, nobody does. I don't want to put the old settings in there. It's been a year we stay in automated mode all the time. We don't use manual. Sure we're in limited sometimes during a warm up. But we're an automated all the time. And we have been from day one. So those bezel settings are way out of date. So Dr. Hutchins helped me calculate what we needed to put in for current Basal rates and everything. The first thing I saw right away was we weren't dealing with Lowe's as often. Excellent. It was very, very good. Right out of the box for Lowe's, and my time and range clarity report. Typically, there's nothing reporting. You know, it's like that less than 1% thing at the bottom and the low and very low. Typically, that's what our charts have been since we've been on Omnipod. Five. We're anywhere from I'm gonna guess ballpark 60 to 80% and range. Even at summer camp the other week, she was 75% on range at summer camp on on the pod. I've been happy with it. Did we have some highs at the beginning? Sure. While it learned her and from what I took from the community was correct every high. That's what we did when she was high and it wasn't doing very much I would have her put in the Dexcom and have it calculate and give a correction. I would tell you know, put in the CGM reading on the algorithm and we just did that over and over and over and it took us some days. I don't remember how long but

Scott Benner 49:48
we've been very pleased with it. Excellent. That's what

Nancy 49:50
we started with. It was ironic we had a checkup just before we started it, so I knew her I want see And so Dr. Hutchins and I were like oh this will be interesting because we're just We're starting it and then we have a checkup in three months. We'll see her Awan see when we started Omnipod. Five was a 5.9. We were on dash before that 5.9 went back for the three month checkup. 5.9. Wow. Fantastic. And then the last checkup it was 5.3. So I'm pleased, I'm not disappointed.

Scott Benner 50:21
Yeah, I don't see how you could be.

Nancy 50:23
I mean, we don't micromanage it. You know, there's her, her range is 80 to 180 on the decks calm to alert me. I learned that from the podcast, gives me time to react before and I could probably tighten that. But I just, I'm lazy, and I didn't. So if it's alerting me to at least pay attention to it, see what's going on. So we can catch that before it becomes a problem. If it's one at like, where are you going? Let's fix that before it gets really hot. And then we're chasing it all afternoon. I say we respect the disease, and we do but I'm pretty laid back about it, too. I mean, I don't I don't know. I don't feel like we micromanage it. Yeah, sometimes we ask her like, Did you Did you forget you have diabetes? Like just get from the dinner table? I just said like tonight? We don't have that. I mean, you know, we joke about it that. And I feel like with Omni pod font, I certainly do not think about it as much. And I don't feel like I get as many Dexcom alerts as I did. That's great.

Scott Benner 51:25
And our use house sleeping going better, worse. Same.

Nancy 51:29
Same for me. Unfortunately, I my body has gotten accustomed to the Dexcom alerts. And I've tried to change the sounds but my phone I don't know if it's because it's a dinosaur. I must sounds I can't get adjusted. I sleep through alerts.

Scott Benner 51:46
How does that make you feel when you wake up in the morning, you see that you slept through why?

Nancy 51:49
I'm angry and scared and frustrated myself. But I will say the other morning just a few days ago. And I think it was a compression load. But my husband handled it and so he didn't prick your finger. But I would be interested. I really think it was probably compression. Like I woke up and I see that it had been alerting that she was 40 I was like holy cow. Like I slipped through that well. But he gave her a juice it came. I said but I really think because she had been in range been in rain, she drops and then she comes right back. Probably, I think I don't know. But yeah, I feel like a terrible parent if I wake up and it's been alerting, alerting, alerting. However, she's 17 she's a senior, she is going to be going away to college in a year. She's learning to wake up herself. And there's been times that I've slept through. She's heard on she's gotten up. She's handled it go back to sleep. And excellent, fine.

Scott Benner 52:44
That's good. Well, I'll try not to beat yourself up. And yeah, yeah, I mean, when those new phones when the good speakers get to you, I'm sure you'll where they come through the Suez Canal. How does that work? I don't know. That part of the world.

Nancy 53:00
Savannah port, the international port in Savannah.

Scott Benner 53:03
Oh, you know, I get to watch those big boats come in through there. While we're visiting with Arden. It's amazing to see a container ship close up is ridiculous. Yes. How big it is. It's it's really something if you've never seen it. I mean, it's amazing one time it's not. I'm not gonna tell you it's like not like seeing a unicorn where you're like, oh my god every time this is amazing. But you know, just see it once you go out I think is huge. I don't how is that floating? That's crazy. And then how long does it take to get from wherever it came from? China to Georgia? Yeah, months, I'm assuming. Yeah, no, I don't know anything about that. Yeah, no idea. Okay, so we're doing by the way, first of all, I know what I'm gonna call the episode. What is that? It's nothing you said or that I said, but it's the vibe that the episodes gives me and a little bit about what we talked about the beginning. I'm going to call it campfire stories. Okay. Yeah, I feel like that's what we've been doing a little bit. Yeah. So I'm down with that. Is your daughter going away to college?

Nancy 54:13
What she's choosing to do right now, she'll be only about an hour from us and is actually in a town, my son and feature daughter in law will be living there. So she's not going to be terribly far from us, but enough to have separation, independence, I guess you could say. She doesn't want to go to a super big college. And right now she doesn't seem interested in going very far from home and not because she's scared of it. But she's still trying to decide what she wants to do to so that could change this year, her senior year that if she finally the light bulb goes off, and she says Aha, I mean, that could also change where she goes, but right now she'll probably be only about an hour away from us.

Scott Benner 55:00
Okay, but she'll be. She's not driving it. So she'll be living there. Right.

Nancy 55:04
Right. That's she would live when she teases my son. The duplex that they've gotten. They have an extra bedroom and she's like, this is my bedroom. I'm gonna live with y'all while I'm at college. I was like, I don't know if newlyweds would really enjoy that. But

Scott Benner 55:20
whatever. Yeah, I'm staying here where it's free. That's what I was. Yeah. So that's what

Nancy 55:25
they all joke about. But probably yes, dorm dorms. And I think everybody should get to experience living away and learning some independence. And yeah, I'm not there to wash your clothes and change your sheets. And it should a class and stuff like

Speaker 1 55:44
that been good for my kids. I can tell you. Yeah, I didn't do that. But I we were so honestly, I was so broke as a college. How do you pay for that? I just like I somebody once told me. Well, you get started like a local community college. And I was like, How can I afford to get to it? Right? Like you don't know what it's like to be broke. I can tell ya. I don't have $10.

Nancy 56:10
Last year, whenever my oldest, my oldest just graduated from college. So Elena takes college classes like dual enrollment. They have that through our high school. So she takes some college classes now during high school and gets college credits. My husband's getting his master's, my boys are in college. And I used to tease I'm the only person in my house. It's not taking college classes there for a while. Yeah, no care to go back.

Scott Benner 56:35
Please. Do you think there are people right now who are like, wait, I'm listening to a podcast about diabetes or somebody didn't go to college? You absolutely are. You're listening to a podcast run by somebody who barely got through high school. So

Nancy 56:46
hey, you know, life experiences sometimes or teachers? Books that we were just talking about the degrees don't matter. The degrees don't matter. It's your experience with taking care of something?

Scott Benner 57:01
Yeah. Okay. There's definitely some people are like, I'm not turning this back on. I'm gonna tell you right now. i When I graduated from high school, I sat there and I thought suckers definitely shouldn't have given me that diploma. That was ridiculous. I have I Nancy, do you listen to the podcast with any frequency?

Nancy 57:21
I do. I live at a small town. So my commutes are not very long whenever I drive to town. So sometimes when I listen to an episode, I have to then pause it and then listen to it again later. Oh,

Scott Benner 57:33
that there's that that's the proper way to handle that I listened to. So I don't get

Nancy 57:37
through them. Quick as quickly because I'm having to listen to him. But I will set up posted the other day. And I was listening to the snake oil episode. And when he talked about the coffee enema. Oh, I was rolling. I was driving down the road and laughing out loud because your commentary on that was hilarious. Yes, I listened to him. And I'm gonna

Scott Benner 58:01
break I'll tell you why. Like, because I'm not sure if I've ever told the story of the fact that I missed on purpose, to go to work 52 days of my senior year of high school. I didn't missed school. I was absent 52 days in my senior year of high school. Wow. So I used to go to the technical school alongside a regular high school, which was part of this high school scam. When I realized that you can't go to the way I got through high school I think of as a high school scam. Okay, but they used to have it set up where two weeks of the month, you went to a regular like books school. And then two weeks a month you went to a technical school, I didn't actually have any interest in learning a trade. I had an interest in only going to high school for a year and a half instead of three years like that was. So I just took up a trade in high school to get out of going to school. So you made a visit to the technical school like to try to decide what you want to do. I mean there I mean, literally, cosmetology right. Engine Repair, like there's a sheetmetal shop there was like this school did a lot of everything. And what I did is I walked around, I found the class with the prettiest girls, and then I decided that's what I was going to do, which I thought was a rock solid way to make that decision.

Nancy 59:21
So what was that? What was that? Well,

Scott Benner 59:24
I'm a hell of a baker now.

Nancy 59:27
That makes sense. With all your stories about your cooking and everything.

Scott Benner 59:30
I can make bread, you know, 100 pounds at a time. Like forget. Look at what skills that gave you even though I got a job in a bakery out of high school. I kept it for a week. I was like I'm not working overnight. This is ridiculous. And I quit. So but point is I'm old. So back back then. Computers. Were really just starting to be a thing. Yeah. And the internet really wasn't a thing. Right. So the computers at the height school didn't talk to the computers at the technical school. So I learned that you could, I found out that you could what the maximum days were that you could miss. And I missed that many days at each school. And they never reconciled and I graduated. Nice. Yeah, it was lovely. And but I would go to work like for all of you are thinking like, Oh, great. Well, Scott was smoking crack. Scott went to a sheetmetal shop and broke his ask for $5 an hour because he was poor. But but it was. I don't know. I just I didn't even go to high school, I think is what I'm trying to say. Yeah.

Nancy 1:00:37
But you learned to bake? Well,

Scott Benner 1:00:40
that is for you all,

Nancy 1:00:41
but I don't know. I mean, sometimes when you talk about I have a recollection in the podcast talk like hearing you talk about cooking, or maybe it's on the Facebook page or whatever, talking about meals and everything and all your meals always sound so. Great. See, well,

Scott Benner 1:00:57
I don't know when the war of 1812 was though. Well, I think it wasn't 1812. But I'm maybe I can't be 100%. Sure. And that's concerning. Gosh, you said something that made me want to say something else. And now I can't remember I had two thoughts in my head. Here's a little secret. My whiteboard is full. I had two thoughts. Normally, I would have jotted them both down then told you the first one. But I didn't. And so now I don't know what I wanted to say. It's okay. Don't worry. Okay. You've been delightful. I wondering if there's anything we haven't talked about that we should have?

Nancy 1:01:29
I don't think so. I think I enjoyed the conversation. And I feel like I got to share our story and brag about my daughter how awesome she is. And she's going to conquer the world and she's not afraid of going out there and taking it on herself. So excellent. I think I did okay, in that chapter.

Scott Benner 1:01:57
Okay, sounds like you did better than okay. Also, because we've been having such a good time. We've now all forgotten that each one of your children has an issue. And so two people in your family and that's a lot to deal with. It's usually I usually ask, are you okay, like, what do you do for yourself?

Nancy 1:02:12
Ah, not much. I have a favorite saying that. Just because I look like I carry it well, doesn't look just because I make it look easy. Doesn't mean that it always is. So check on your friends. There are days that are pretty tough. I mean, I've gotten phone calls when David was in college, that they that he had had a seizure and I had to whisk myself away there. You know, watching the Dexcom Elena's on a overnight trip with she's an FFA which is it used to be stand for Future Farmers of America. They don't they just call it FFA now, but she does horticulture and she learned welding and stuff this year. But she goes on field trips for competitions and everything overnight. My son, he's older sort of caring for himself with his Crohn's, but you know, headed to the ER, I'm having a flare. So, I do juggle quite a bit. And I probably do not care for myself quite as much as I care for others. And that's probably not a good thing. But yeah, my kids are the most important thing to me. And I have been blessed with a husband that allows me that I work very part time so that I can be very available for our children at any time that they need me.

Scott Benner 1:03:40
Well, I will share with you and and I'm sure you know this but I think there's probably a way that you could do some more for yourself and, and still instill hope your kids. Yeah, there is Yeah. Plus you painted a picture of some pretty independent children. So they're gonna get sick of you pretty soon anyway. Yeah,

Nancy 1:03:56
no, soon I'll have an empty nest. And then I can I did ask for a little small greenhouse for my birthday last year. And so my husband, a mother in law, and my sister in law got me this little small greenhouse. It's not really big a smaller than like an outdoor shed. But as I started that little hobby, growing some stuff I've always had, like little, like might do vegetables or something. But I started doing flowers because I thought Oh, how fun would it be to just go and cut up okay, in your yard and have fresh flowers. So I've told myself, I need to pick up some hobbies because when Elena leaves to go to college, there's not going to be anybody but the dog or my husband to take care of. And that's all I've done for 23 plus years with kids is so yeah, I need to find some hobbies to

Scott Benner 1:04:43
I know how you feel. Yeah, yeah, it's it's a stark moment. And when that happens, you'll it'll hit you right in the face. Like, oh, no, I'm only good at this. I don't need anything else.

Nancy 1:04:56
Yeah, somebody had asked me you know, if you take away wife, mother, you know your career. Who are you? And I was like, Oh, I don't know.

Scott Benner 1:05:09
I'm the lady who might want to grow flowers. Yeah, seems shaky. Who lives two hours from anything?

Nancy 1:05:17
Ya know?

Scott Benner 1:05:19
How leaving to get the seeds? Do

Nancy 1:05:22
you drop them with pigeon? The

Scott Benner 1:05:24
Oh, yeah, because the helicopters can carry. Yeah, yeah, what happened? Yeah. I have one last question. I'm gonna let you go. Sure. Why is there no diet drinks in the South? Why are there no diet drinks in the south? We have diet drinks. They're very hard to find once you get below North Carolina.

Nancy 1:05:46
Elena loves Diet Dr. Pepper that's her go to and if they don't have that, or there's some machines she's learned fast food that the mixture doesn't make it taste right. Not the freestyle but like they don't mix the soda and syrup. Right? She'll order a Diet Coke but we have

Scott Benner 1:06:03
all right drives feel like I can't find them. It feels like you people just want to drink sugar is what I'm saying. I'm in the wrong places then. Yeah. All right. Nancy, I really appreciate this. I also appreciate that your sound is so clear. I don't have to edit this episode. We did. Oh, wow. Verse. We didn't say anything ridiculous. That has to be cut out. Okay. And the sound is you just saved me two hours of my life by having all your wealth and bake some bread. I don't know how the hell you got them to deliver that thing to wherever you are. But I really appreciate it.

Nancy 1:06:40
My middle son's gaming headset and gaming microphone. I'm in his bedroom at his computer. Well

Scott Benner 1:06:45
thank him for me because I really do genuinely appreciate it. Hold on one second for me. Okay, okay.

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