#931 On The Tarmac

June 13, 2023Scott Benner

Dana is the mother of a type 1 and an adult who was diagnosed at age 14. We discuss diabetes through the years from her perspective.

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Scott Benner 0:00
Hello friends, and welcome to episode 931 of the Juicebox Podcast.

On today's episode of The Juicebox Podcast, I'm speaking with Dana, she's had type one diabetes for her entire life, and her daughter has type one as well. Today we're going to talk about diabetes through the years, and find out more about Amy's story. While you're listening, please remember that nothing you hear on the Juicebox Podcast should be considered advice, medical or otherwise, always consult a physician before making any changes to your health care plan are becoming bold with insulin. If you like comfort and you like quality, you're going to love cozy earth.com. use the offer code juice box at checkout. To save 35% off your entire order. Go to athletic greens.com forward slash juice box. And when you make your first order for ag one from athletic greens, you'll get five free travel packs, and a year supply of vitamin D. And of course, get 10% off your first month of online therapy@betterhelp.com forward slash juice box just go to my link, sign up and get 10% off your first month.

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Dana 3:15
Hi, my name is Dana. And I've had type one since I was 14. So that was in 1974. So do you want to do the math? Or should I just tell you Oh, hold

Scott Benner 3:30
on a second. Let's not let's just figure it out. First of all, it's 74. I was three years old. And I'm 51 now so that was 14. So that was 48 years of being a babysitter. We're off to a bad start on feeling good about ourselves later. But but that makes that like 48 years ago, right? Yeah. And how old were you when you were diagnosed?

Dana 3:51
14.

Scott Benner 3:52
Okay, so you're 62 now? Yep. I don't even use my fingers. Feeling good. If I could pronounce water. I'd be all set. But I'm only halfway there. So. Wow. So you were diagnosed in? Hmm, where's my little pen? Here? This. I have to make notes myself. Sorry. 7070. Ford, 14 years old. You were using? You were using animal insulin right? Yes. Okay.

Dana 4:25
pork and beef,

Scott Benner 4:26
pork and beef, which sounds nicer when it's on a Chinese menu than it does when you're injecting it I imagined but what was that like? Exactly?

Dana 4:36
Ah, well, I really remember getting diagnosed. Before I got diagnosed, you know getting up in the middle of the night drinking. We have this huge water bottle in the refrigerator and like getting up and drinking the whole thing and having to get up in the middle of the night and pee. My parents knew something was wrong. They didn't know what took me to the doctor. And then I think I was in the hospital for a few days, and my whole family had to come and learn about diabetes and what to expect. And I remember them, making me run up and down the stairs in the hospital to figure out how much insulin I needed. And

Scott Benner 5:22
oh, that's interesting. The running up and down the stairs was part of the diagnostic.

Dana 5:27
Yeah, yeah, it was doctor could figure out my dosage. But I only took one shot a day, back then was in the morning. And then was you know, your you go it? Was it

Scott Benner 5:43
just and you? Did you eat any specific way?

Dana 5:47
Yes, you had the you I was given the exchange list diet, right? I don't know if you're familiar with that. Probably.

Scott Benner 5:54
I am Jenny. Jenny did the exchange at the beginning of her life. So they gave you like, it's basically like options, right? You can kind of move them around from meal to meal as long as you don't use too many of them.

Dana 6:05
Yeah, every meal. You had so many bread and fruit and meat and and you had to try to eat the same amount at the same time every day.

Scott Benner 6:20
Fontana? Yeah. By the way, I think young people listening are just amazed that there was electricity in 1974. For you to have a refrigerator, don't you think?

Dana 6:30
I know so many things, you know, that you take for granted? Now? It's like, no cell phones back then, you know. And I had so many episodes of low blood sugar. You know, because there was no meters, right? So I had several times where I woke up in the hospital. Because my parents, I had seizures, like I listened to your episode with Arden having a seizure. And I don't remember much about them except for waking up in the hospital. And then giving me orange juice and me throwing it up. And I didn't like orange juice for years. I couldn't drink it, because I just associated it with

Scott Benner 7:17
that horrible feeling. Yeah. Hey, question about that, if you remember, where you like, upright and moving. And then the next thing you knew you were in the hospital or do these more happen overnight.

Dana 7:28
Overnight, only once, when I was first diagnosed, and I didn't know what it felt like to be low. I don't remember them ever explaining the worry about that. And I was at my grandparents house, I was eating, believe it or not pickles. And then I woke up in the hospital. And that was the only time where it's happened when I've been Awake,

Scott Benner 7:51
awake. So you didn't know you were low, but you were hungry, which now you know, is a symptom of being low. And but and so you're eating pickles, which has no carbs in it. So that wasn't,

Dana 8:02
that wasn't gonna happen at all. But you know,

Scott Benner 8:05
how many times do you think this happened where your parents woke up in the middle of the night went? Dana's having a seizure again, let's go. But how often do you think that happened to?

Dana 8:12
I think it only happened three times.

Scott Benner 8:15
And then they made adjustments or you figured, you know,

Dana 8:19
yeah, I made adjustments, which was a bad path to get on. Because then I always overeat. Because I was afraid.

Scott Benner 8:27
Oh, so your adjustments weren't exactly like thoughtful adjustments. Oh, no, they were.

Dana 8:34
It was kind of like, you weren't allowed to change your dose that you were taking, which seems really stupid to me now. It's like, but it didn't even occur to me then. So the only thing I thought I could do

Scott Benner 8:48
was eat more rice. Yeah, just make sure I ate something

Dana 8:51
before I went to bed that had sugar in it, you know, so I probably ran high. Most nights after that, but I didn't wake up in the hospital.

Scott Benner 9:04
Well, I mean, when the technology was as it was, I mean, you're just doing the best you can, right? Like you're just I mean, listen, we my mom had an illness recently she had cancer was really terrible. And there's no doubt in my mind that if she had that cancer in 1974, she would have died. And that's because that was their understanding of it back then. And this was their understanding of diabetes and 74 Is it is it is that bizarre to you to see what it's like now?

Dana 9:35
Oh, no, it's actually bizarre to think what it was like then I feel like it was like the you know, primitive days. Yeah. It's, it's amazing to see how far we've come. I'm really thankful for that.

Scott Benner 9:52
What are the what are the timeline leaps that stick out in your mind? Like from animal like, what's the next thing that you think of?

Dana 10:00
I'm seeing I remember at one the reason I remember it was at one is because I went on a trip with my brother to Austria. And I was able to take test strips to poke my finger and then you put blood on the strip and you compare it to the bottle. But at least it gave you an idea of where you were. And at that point, I would sometimes take a little more insulin and like if I was in the high zone,

Scott Benner 10:39
yeah. How old were you then? For that Austria trip?

Dana 10:44

Scott Benner 10:45
that's seven years after your diagnosis. Yeah. And so that's the next leap. You remember his test strips?

Dana 10:53
Yeah, test strips, and then getting the glucose monitor machine. That was probably not too long after that. Probably two years after that, you know, positive, but I remember that. It was huge. And you had to wait. Two minutes? No, I think you had to wait five minutes with the first one. And then you had to wait two minutes. And now it's five seconds. You know, so

Scott Benner 11:27
people still complain. Sting takes forever? Yeah, I love it. Well,

Dana 11:33
you know, if you only knew waiting five minutes was really inconvenient. So at

Scott Benner 11:38
that point, is it still just the idea of I'm trying not to pass out? You're not thinking about long term health, right?

Dana 11:49
Yeah, no. I mean, I knew that it wasn't good to be too high. So it was mostly like feeling like you're on a tight rope. And you're trying not to fall off either end? Yeah. You know, like, but I always kind of had the mantra that are too high and too low right. Now, because I couldn't function if I was too low,

Scott Benner 12:16
right. Is there something behind you making noise that you can hear?

Dana 12:19
You know what it is? It's an airplane outside. Is it my windows are shut?

Scott Benner 12:25
Well, that's okay. Where is it? circling your house? It's been there forever. Oh, can you yell out and say please go?

Dana 12:32
Yeah. Oh, I wish they would.

Scott Benner 12:36
Do you live near an airport?

Dana 12:38
Yeah, I live near a small airport that didn't have a lot of traffic. Until recently Santa Santa Monica airport. I I'm not sure if they closed or wet, but a lot of their air traffic now comes to Torrance. Well, no, I'm telling you where I live.

Scott Benner 12:56
No one go kill Dana. Okay, they're good. And I took care of it.

Dana 13:01
I'll never find me. There's lots of dangerous here so

Speaker 1 13:04
you'll never find me. If the animal insulin didn't kill, or you're not getting to her, what do you think of that? Okay, so when we hear that noise behind you, it's a it's a takeoff or landing. Okay, nothing we can do about that. No big deal. Okay. Okay, so I had a question. It was

Scott Benner 13:25
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We were talking about long term health. So you're still it's more about in the moment. But my next my follow up. question was, did anyone say it to you? Like were you told you're not going to live as long? Or like, Did you get any of that?

Dana 17:38
Yeah, I did. When I was first in the hospital, no one told me that. But I remember, like they gave my parents all these pamphlets three. And one of them had a thing about life expects to expectancy being 30 years from diagnosis. Okay. And I remember seeing that. And so it was kind of in the back of my mind. And when I reached that age, I felt like, you know, I beat it. I'm still here, you know?

Scott Benner 18:16
Did it change the way you lived your life? Do you think?

Dana 18:21
No, no, I, I always tried to do the best that I could to take care of myself. I think. And once I had kids, it really motivated me.

Scott Benner 18:36
Are you carefree? As a as a young person? Were you sollen? Like the did you have an overall? Like, was there a vibe about you that you were aware of?

Dana 18:46
Um yeah, I probably was pretty serious. Um, and I think having diabetes kept me from trying things like partying and drinking and smoking and stuff that a lot of my friends did, because I took that stuff seriously that I read, like, if you're, if you're smoking and you have diabetes, and then stop, you know, it's like, I always felt like, listen, it's hard enough to juggle all this. I'm not going to add more to it. unknowns to it and try to figure those out. So

Scott Benner 19:27
okay, that's interesting. So, you know, it's just striking me then I have to tell you, I interviewed somebody yesterday, who was 24. And they had such a, an older voice, and you're 62 and you sound like you're 17 Oh, so interesting.

Dana 19:42
Oh, I like that.

Scott Benner 19:45
Well, listen, everybody would like that. That's lovely. Okay, so So we're, we're in our 20s You did you go to college? I did. Okay, you graduated?

Dana 19:56
I did. I Oh, I went to community college and lived at home and graduated from there, then went to a university for a year. But had it had had an on again off again boyfriend and we finally got serious at the end of that year and so I didn't finish. We got married and then I went back to college a couple years later.

Scott Benner 20:27
Do you have a baby in between there? No, no, that why did you okay, this is an interesting time capsule. What about getting married major stuff going to college? So did you feel like Oh, I gotta go clean something

Dana 20:39
else. It was too far away. Oh, okay. I was going to college in Santa Barbara. And I well, I live in Torrance, you don't know that. It was a couple hours away. So we just I finished that year. We got married the following fall. I got it. I got two jobs and worked for a while and then wanted to go back and get my BA and

Scott Benner 21:09
this ended up being a lifelong coupling of the two

Dana 21:11
of you. Yeah, it'll be 40 years in November.

Scott Benner 21:15
I'm so glad because I thought the next thing you were gonna say was an after I got done paying for his grad school he left. Okay, good. Excellent. That's lovely. Yeah, good data, which is what? Unlikely?

Dana 21:31
Well, you know, it's, it's surprising to me, because so many of my friends aren't, you know, okay. That mean right at the same time. So I feel like we're rare.

Scott Benner 21:45
I feel, Dana, I feel like that you have to have obstinance to stay married for a very long time. Like, you almost have to defy what it is to be in a relationship. You're like, I don't care what this feels like, I'm not leaving.

Dana 22:02
It's a commitment. And you have to decide like, Okay, we gotta try different things that this is not working because I made this commitment. And I'm not gonna back out.

Scott Benner 22:14
I think of it like getting, I think of it like being lost in the mountains. And you climb over one mountain thinking, Well, when I get over this mountain, I'm gonna see the town. And then you get to the top and you're like, Oh, it's another mountain over there. Alright, well, I'm not gonna stop now. And one day, one day, I feel like I'm going to crest that hill. And there's going to be a town there. Nobody like I did it. But I think that while I'm climbing the mountain, my wife is throwing sticks and stones at me from the weeds trying to kill me with little like paper cuts. You know what they call that a death by 1000 cuts? Like, I think she just he doesn't want to see me go quickly. Because I've said to her before, Dana, why don't you just smother me with a pillow? Wouldn't that be fast? Right? But no, she she acts like she doesn't know what I'm talking about. Oh, what do you mean? Like, you know what I mean? Yeah. Anyway, all right. So you guys, you guys fought through it. You had kids? You said how many did you have?

Dana 23:09
Yes. So I have three biological kids. And then we have one foster daughter who is now our daughter.

Scott Benner 23:18
No, that's lovely. I thought you're gonna say a kid that we stole from the mall. So this was a much better story. What made you foster a child? That's lovely.

Dana 23:26
Um, my daughter had a friend in high school whose family kind of disintegrated. She needed somewhere to go. We never planned on being foster parents. But it was a way that she didn't have to leave for school and her friends and it just we could do it and, and my daughter talked us into it. So and I've never regretted it.

Scott Benner 23:56
I was gonna say throw in something positive after saying you were tucked into it.

Dana 24:00
Well, it was. It was just so unexpected. I never expected to do that.

Unknown Speaker 24:06
But what age was she when this happened?

Dana 24:09
She was 16.

Scott Benner 24:10
Okay.

Dana 24:12
And now she is 34 Look at that.

Scott Benner 24:16
You've done a nice thing. It's wonderful. And you built your family out and it had an experience you definitely didn't think you were gonna have Yeah, well, I'm glad it worked out and she ended up being like a crackhead. Because then the story would be much different. Like, it was horrible. Scott biggest this is just a horrible mistake. She Yeah, she stole her television. So this is a much better story. That's wonderful. Does she call your mom?

Dana 24:40
Yeah, sometimes. She She sometimes calls me mom sometimes calls me by my first name. Well, Dana. And same with my husband, but but she's still you know, she sends us Mother's Day Father's Day cards and celebrates Christmas with us and that's wonderful. Other holidays.

Scott Benner 25:00
So good for you that and good for her to that she's lucky to have met you guys and your daughter who didn't have the knowledge of the of life yet to not say that to you. She's just like, it'll be, I guess your daughter was like, this is a nice thing to do. We should do this, right?

Dana 25:16
Yeah, it was, it was really listen, mom, mom and dad, I just really want to help her.

Scott Benner 25:24
She called her to get a job, you should have been like, Listen, if it means that much to you. Let's see your work a little bit. Right? I'm just kidding. Yeah. What was it like to have a person come into your home after all those years? And did? And I guess I was going to ask you if you showed her the diabetes, but I guess my bigger question should be, how much of diabetes? Was your family aware of? And how much did you keep to yourself?

Dana 25:49
Um, they were aware. But I really did it on my own. I mean, like, I would take, you know, a shot of insulin before eating and, and it would be out in the open and, you know, I take insulin to the restaurant or whatever. So they were aware, and my kids knew. You know, if I started acting weird, to tell me to go check my blood sugar.

Scott Benner 26:24
That's about the extent of it. Was that preferred by you? Was it lonely? Like, why is that wire? I mean, I don't have diabetes. So I'm always wondering this, like, why? Or why is the wrong word? Come on, Scott, pull it together? Is it not a consideration to try to involve other people? Or is it something you're trying to protect them from?

Dana 26:50
Yeah, it's a good question. Because I know, it's been really interesting to me to listen to the podcasts and to listen to how you are with Arden. And, you know, part of me is envious, like, Man, I wish I would have had parents like that. And maybe it was the age that I was diagnosed. Because pretty much it was me on my own doing it all. I mean, how much have learned how to give me a shot? And but they never really did?

Scott Benner 27:28
You know, maybe it would have been nice if once in a while, they're like, hey, I'll do this for it. You don't have to name a logo go on. They had to fish. Yeah, they had to do something. Well, I, you know, it's funny, you just said that I'm more involved. And you. It's easy to feel like, Oh, I wish that happened for me. But with the way management was when you were diagnosed, being involved, just meant making sure you took a shot and then taking you to the hospital if you had a seizure, because they didn't know any, like there was not like there was other instructions for them except for the eating process. And then and then probably the sadness of thinking their daughter was going to be dead in 30 years. Yeah,

Dana 28:07
yeah. I do remember one conversation with my dad because he had a friend with a daughter with type one. And my dad came to me almost in tears, because he saw that I wasn't following the eating plan very well, and said, you know, this is what happened to my friend's daughter, and she's blind now. And I don't want that to happen to you. And it really had an impact because my dad was not someone who expressed emotions very often. So

Scott Benner 28:39
shocked shocking to see a man back then. Be that vulnerable with you, I guess.

Dana 28:44
Yeah. Yeah. Especially him.

Scott Benner 28:47
Okay. Just out of out of character for him completely. Right. Right. Exactly. All right. Okay, so married back to school, when at what age you start having children

Dana 29:02
27.

Scott Benner 29:04
That's a respectable age. I like that age as a choice.

Dana 29:07
So we had five years almost before we had kids.

Scott Benner 29:10
So you enjoyed your life for five years? You're saying?

Dana 29:14
Yeah. It's so weird. It's like, Well, why don't you remember what it was like before we had kids? Seems like we always had kids, you know, your life totally completely changes. Once you have kids. It becomes all about them. And

Scott Benner 29:30
I'm going to tell you a secret, Dana.

Dana 29:32
Take better care of myself having kids. Yeah, I'm

Scott Benner 29:34
gonna ask you about that in just a second. I'm just going to tell you first that Kelly's away for business this week. And she's in a different time zone. So we're really just not talking at all. Like there's this like slice of a moment where we can talk in the morning here when it's the evening where she is. And so she's pretty gone out of my life for the next number of days. Hold on. I'm dropping thanks. And gardens Wait school and coals here. And last night I went to bed and cold. I've been hanging out and doing more stuff because it's easier with only two people here. But I got in bed last night I closed my eyes. And I thought this would be what it would be like if I was alone. And then I started thinking about like, how would I feel my time? And like, I couldn't think of anything. I was like, well, I'll keep making the podcast. That's good. But then to what end? Do I like go on vacations? Do I go see places? Like, what do I do if I'm by myself one day, and it was a very strange feeling. And now if you ask me, anything about us as a family, or the kids or anything, I have a million ideas what we should do if we're all together, but I don't, I wouldn't know how to live my life by myself. It would be a quite an adjustment. So anyway, I take your point.

Dana 30:55
It's Yeah, it's true. I am. In fact, I think that's, you gotta find things that you enjoy doing separate from your spouse in order to keep your marriage healthy.

Scott Benner 31:09
Just teasing each other count. No, right. Yeah. Yeah, it's not even it's not even so much. I guess it's kind of a morbid thought. Like, because I was really thinking, like, what if Kelly was dead? And the kids were adults? Like, who am I? Exactly? You know what I mean, if the kids don't need me, and Kelly was just not here. Like, I don't know who I am, like, I don't know what to do. And I also thought, Oh, I wonder if I'll outlive her. If she'll outlive me, then I got competitive in my head. And I was like, I'm gonna outlive her. Then that made me feel sad. And I don't know if I'm going

Dana 31:47
to have those thoughts to, like, yeah, what would I do if he wasn't here?

Scott Benner 31:52
Yeah, except I know that. I think there is a part of me that thinks that after the sadness passed, I would probably really enjoy myself for like, a week, and then it would go down.

Dana 32:03
Yeah, well, I know there's times where he's gone. Fishing or whatever, for a weekend. And it's like, yeah, I got the house. Am I so? It doesn't last too long. Yeah.

Scott Benner 32:15
No, Kelly, in our conversation yesterday, let me know that she's thinking of moving to France without us. Oh, no. That's fine. That doesn't hurt my feelings at all. You can go by yourself. Anyway, so tell me a little more about, because it really seems important. You've mentioned it a couple times, and I haven't let you get to it once. So I'm gonna do it right now. But the idea of having children making a scenario where you desire to take better care of yourself.

Dana 32:45
I think, like, I always wanted to have kids. And I didn't know if it was possible, because I had a friend who was adopted, whose mom had type one. And they had had two stillborn babies. And so that was my thought always in the back of my head, like, oh, I, you know, am I even going to be able to have kids. And so my husband and I had talked about adopting, but we found out about a program at a nearby hospital called sweet success, where they, it was pre pregnancy, counseling for women with type one. And I thought, Well, okay, I'm gonna go to this and see what we can find out. And at that time, you'll probably be appalled. But the goal was to have your hemoglobin a one C, eight or lower to have a successful pregnancy.

Scott Benner 33:44
Oh, I'm not appalled. Um, I don't think they even could imagine how to get your agency lower than that.

Dana 33:52
Yeah, I guess that's the truth. So. So I did that. And I was able to be in the sevens when I got pregnant and the doctor before that I was put on human insulin finally. So that was probably 1986. Because then I was pregnant in in 86, and had the baby in March of 87.

Scott Benner 34:24
So that's regular and mph at that point.

Dana 34:26
So no, I was put on on human life before I got pregnant.

Scott Benner 34:30
Oh, I'm sorry. Okay.

Dana 34:33
And I guess it must have been Lantus. Right. So that involves taking more shots a day and I've they talked me into you know, you should they explain why taking human love before each meal made more sense because that's what someone without Diabetes, that's what their body you know, gives them insulin before each meal, or with each meal. So it's more mimicking what your body does. And after I had my daughter, I decided I, this isn't bad. I can take as many shots a day as I need to. That's not the hard part. You know, the hard part is keeping those numbers. You know?

Scott Benner 35:26
Yeah. And the testing still wasn't great at that point, right?

Dana 35:31
Yeah, it was still, you know, it at least There were machines at that point, not that little tube. And it really, every when I was pregnant, the doctor that I saw, was a specialist with high risk pregnancies. And he had me call every three days with my blood sugars. And I had to write them down and tell him what they were. And then he would say, okay, you know, increase by this much and

Scott Benner 36:07
yeah, that was so every three. He was he was adjusting your blood sugars based on every three day reports from you. Yes. And saying try a little more of this little less of this. Eat more, eat less like that was and you did that for nine months? Yes. That's pretty cool, actually.

Dana 36:27
Yeah, it was it was like, Man, I wish I could have this doctor all the time. I wish I could have someone all the time. Giving me the advice because you get tired of thinking about it all the time and trying to figure it out. Especially when it doesn't make sense. You know, when you think okay, I've done everything. The same as I did the day before. I'm not more active. I ate the same food. I took the same insulin. Why is my blood sugar higher?

Scott Benner 36:58
Yeah. Cuz of the hormones from the pregnancy?

Dana 37:01
Yeah, just.

Scott Benner 37:03
Wow. Well, so if we fast how many kids did you have? I'm sorry. Three, three times. And did your A onesies get better every time with every pregnancy? Yes. And do you attribute that to technology and insulins and things like that? Yeah. Okay. Did your understanding change at all? Did you do anything? Like functionally different?

Dana 37:27
Um, no. And the third one was totally a surprise. No. So we were using contraceptive sponge which I don't think is on the market anymore, because it didn't work.

Scott Benner 37:43
Did you name your kid after the sponge?

Dana 37:45
Yeah, I should have huh? Sorry, that ring doorbell thing just went off. That's

Scott Benner 37:52
fine. You're fine. Go. These are the people we sent to kill you, Dana. They're on there. Oh, well, okay. So you make you make three in what succession? How long between the three babies? How many years?

Dana 38:07
Um, so my oldest is eight years older than the youngest. Okay, so I had, I had her in at seven than I had my oldest son in 89. And then our youngest 94.

Scott Benner 38:25
Does this after a wedding, by the way, Dana or anything like that, or just a regular Friday night?

Dana 38:31
Actually, it's like, no, no, can I tell you that?

Scott Benner 38:33
Oh, I know. You and Mr. Dana. Were pretty active. I get what you're saying. Dana. It's okay.

Dana 38:40
No, it was really after a very sad event. Oh, oh. But it was kind of like, Yep, I know. That's, that's when that happened. And now we're pregnant. And I'm sure that was it.

Scott Benner 38:56
Being a sad sex can be nice. There's nothing wrong with

Dana 39:00
that. It's comforting. Yeah.

Scott Benner 39:03
Well, it's comforting. But now you every time you every time you think of Pearl Harbor, do you think of your daughter? No, I'm not trying to get you to tell me Don't Don't tell me. I just wanted to make the joke. That's okay. I don't know why Pearl Harbor. When was Pearl Harbor in the 60s? Yeah, before I was born. I my hope my my What should I have said Three Mile Island. That would have worked right? Yeah, there you go. Well, that would have been fun to hear actually. Dammit. Let's go back and do it again. No.

Dana 39:38
I feel like life didn't start till 1960 You know, that's when I was born. So I hear anything before that.

Scott Benner 39:46
Didn't happen. Yeah, yeah. Damn those dinosaurs. i Okay, so you've got these three kids. Are you and was it that you could tell that it was possible through the pregnancy. So you thought why don't I just continue on this good care in my regular life? was yes, it wasn't the idea of like, I need to stay alive for these kids.

Dana 40:09
It was a little it was both, but it was such it was nice to have that can feel like you had more control. Like, okay, if I want to eat more, just take more insulin, if I want to eat less take less insulin I it was after that. I felt like most of my doctor's appointments, I knew more than the doctor knew, you know?

Scott Benner 40:39
Yeah. And that's fascinating, didn't it? Because you don't, you don't have a ton of knowledge about it. Right, right. And you still are in that position, which that just proves out that theory that living with it is going to teach you something about it. All right. Well, that's interesting. Okay, so kids are growing up or you stay at home mom, or you have a job

Dana 40:59
as a preschool teacher. Oh, that was great. Because when they were old enough to attend the school, they had to be two and a half and potty trained. They could go to school with me, or go to work with me. And so all their, you know, young years, it was a half day. Preschool. So I'd be home by the time they got out of school.

Scott Benner 41:29
That's excellent. It really is nice. Plus, it makes everything simpler, even like commuting and, and everything. Right, because the kids are with you while you're moving to work. Yeah, yeah, that's nice. Okay. Do they have any autoimmune issues? And do you have any other autoimmune issues?

Dana 41:45
Um, I do not. But yeah, my oldest we participated in. I forgot what it was called. It was something like TrialNet, where the kids went had their blood tested to see if they had certain

Scott Benner 42:07
genetic markers for Yeah, yeah.

Dana 42:10
And my, my oldest my daughter did. And when she was 21, she developed well, she got diagnosed with type one, then they told her it was type two, then it's,

Scott Benner 42:28
that's silly. If she had the markers, and you had type one, what are we doing toner? She has typed, right? Yeah. So we were

Dana 42:34
trying to tell her type two. She told them, you know, no, my mom's type one. I want to be on insulin. And she talked them into putting her on insulin, but they gave her insulin and some type two medications. Like I think it was Metformin.

Scott Benner 42:55
Is this in the early 90s? I'm just trying to do the rough math between No, no.

Dana 43:00
Okay, let's see. She was born 87. No, it was like 2000.

Scott Benner 43:11
Why did I say 90s? It should have been in the in early 2000s 2005. Ish around there. Yeah, sir.

Dana 43:18
Okay. Probably 2007 2008. Okay. Okay.

Scott Benner 43:24
And so it's that's a more modern diagnosis, but still not ultra modern. That's a few years after? Oh, gosh, 2007 would have been just a year after Arden. So she's an adult at that point, right. Yeah, she's

Dana 43:39
in college, living with roommates.

Scott Benner 43:46
Do you and she have a connection about diabetes? You talk about it and help each other at that point? I mean, because now you know what it's like for nobody to help you. Right? So

Dana 43:56
yes. Although it's like, no, I don't want to go there. So I'm not going to make you have to erase anything. So. But yes, we have that in common. And we can talk about that. And she's probably not going to listen to this. So all I can say is, she doesn't take as good care of herself as I wish she would.

Scott Benner 44:18
Okay. Well, I think I think that recording the podcast teaches me that everyone takes care of their diabetes commensurate to their personality, if that makes sense. And I and and your personality and what you care about changes as you get older as well. I mean, it happened for you. So there's no reason why it couldn't happen for her as she had children. No, do you think she will one day?

Dana 44:48
No, no. We've talked about that. I I think she may she's not married. She's not in a relationship. Um, She has talked about adopting. She's a sign language interpreter, and she's very involved in the Deaf community. Okay. And she's talking about adopting a deaf child

Scott Benner 45:17
to cool job. And that would be a lovely thing to do. Yeah. And she also saw you Foster was it by the way, it wasn't her that talked you into the foster and it was, what was her? It was her. Oh, okay. All right. Well, yeah, she thinks differently, so she'll find something.

Dana 45:32
Yeah. So she even talked me into taking sign language classes, so, so that I now feel I could communicate with a deaf grandchild if, if that happens.

Scott Benner 45:46
Oh, that's wonderful. So it's just on the diabetes point. You have different goals than she does. Is that right?

Dana 45:56
Yeah. I think for her, it's she doesn't want to have to think about it and she doesn't want it to interfere with her job. And I'm afraid it's it's going to catch up with her someday if she doesn't, you know,

Scott Benner 46:12
do you think she's not doing well? Or do you think your motherly like instincts are turned up to 1000?

Dana 46:20
No, I think she's,

Scott Benner 46:23
there's okay, there's room for improvement. So then, let me ask you this modern day, before we started talking, you said that you went from MDI to a pump them back to MDI, right. Okay. Well, that's really

Dana 46:37
recent, and it's because of scar tissue. I kept having what like when the pump worked, it was fabulous. I mean, I love it. I wish it worked all the time. But I'd put it infusion set in, and then it would work for a day and then the next day, my blood sugar's kept going up. And I kept giving myself more insulin. And, you know, it took me a while to figure out oh, it's the site, take it off, and we were on vacation. And I developed this huge lump under my skin and it got a red and I took it off, and I was just so scared of that happening again. And I still have a lump and a red mark on my abdomen. And I don't know, I just decided it's reliable.

Scott Benner 47:36
Yeah. Did you try? Did you try different sets? Like I don't know what pump you

Dana 47:39
were using? Yeah. I I had tandem.

Scott Benner 47:43
Okay. Did you try the true steel? Yeah. And that's what

Dana 47:47
I was using. Okay. Yeah, cuz I have problems with the other ones. And the true steel was the one that worked the best. And I I think it's just having had diabetes for so many years that I have too much scar tissue.

Scott Benner 48:06
Did you just try did you try like completely different sights, like somewhere you'd never injected?

Dana 48:11
Yeah, I tried. I tried my arms was too painful. I tried my legs. You know, it just hurt. I tried my butt, which I, you know, never really tried before, but it kept getting knocked out. So I don't know. I just decided to take it off. I may try it again. I mean, I still have it. I still have all the

Scott Benner 48:37
control. Yeah. I mean,

Dana 48:41
honestly, how well I do on MDI now that I feel like I learned a lot from having a pump and having that ability to to give myself little minut amounts of insulin. So I'm trying that with the syringe like sometimes when I'm a little out of range, like just giving a little bit.

Scott Benner 49:03
Dean are you wearing a CGM? Yes. And that's working fine for you.

Dana 49:08
Yes, that Oh, black you advertise for Dex calm, and yeah, Dex calm, I think is like the greatest invention of anything that's come along. Because I never have to worry about not waking up anymore. Yeah, I'd have severe lows. You know, over the years, well, I already told you that. Sure. But even as an adult, there'll be times I wake up in the middle of the night and all sweaty and my blood sugar was 40. And, you know, I was just thankful I woke up so I'm Dexcom has gotten rid of that. You know, because it wakes me up. Yeah,

Scott Benner 49:55
yeah, no, I believe trust me. i Oh, you know, it's Funny. I've never once trusted anybody who started off the sentence by saying trust me, we take that back. But I'm very picky about who are advertisers on the podcast. You know, there are other companies and other items that have tried to get on. I'm like, I can't get behind that with like, full excitement. So I don't, I don't say yes. But the stuff that I talked about, I mean, yes, it supports the show and pays my bills and things like that. But they're, they're well curated. Advertisers on my part. So I'm thrilled that you found it. It's amazing. I've just wished you could find a way to make your pump work, because you could use an algorithm.

Dana 50:39
Yeah. Oh, it has one.

Scott Benner 50:42
I'm saying. And so it was, how long did you try the tandem?

Dana 50:47
Um, I had it. I started March of 2021. So not quite a year and a half.

Scott Benner 50:54
Are you really stuck with it?

Dana 50:56
Yeah. I mean, and I had, like, I was saying that the days when it worked, it was, it was great. It was like, I'm telling my husband, like, look at this, you know, my range 100% The whole entire day. And I, I know, I'm kind of old to be playing soccer. But, um, I started playing soccer back in when I was 39, believe it or not, in, you know, Women's League. And I would always have my blood sugar go up instead of down. And it was, it took me a while to figure out oh, it's the adrenaline, you know, talking with my doctor and he. So I would need more insulin. And it was always a tricky thing to figure out where I wanted my blood sugar to be when I start playing, to keep it from going up too much. And, you know, taking a little extra insulin or not.

Scott Benner 52:08
So you get the adrenaline spikes while you're playing soccer. You think?

Dana 52:11
Yes. Yeah. Always, no matter what I did, I tried to, you know, just relax. And it didn't happen. When I went to practice. It was only the game. So for some reason that competition.

Scott Benner 52:27
Danna, you're competitive? I am. Yeah, that's exactly what I would say. I would say you're very competitive. It's just like watching. Literally, like baseball players with type one. People say all the time, like, I don't understand. They go to practice and their blood sugar doesn't do anything, really. And then they go to the game It jumps up. It's because they want to win. Yeah, you're not trying to win practice. You're trying to so if your kids blood sugar doesn't go up at practice. They're probably not going to play the sport forever, because they don't love it. But, but um, but yeah, but but that's, I wish you could use it. Have you tried other pumps? You tried Omni pod? You try? Oh, I haven't no Medtronic.

Dana 53:07
No, well, actually, no. Back in 84, I had a pump. And I was trying to remember what it was called. I think it was called like you ugly or something. It was huge. So I was on a pump for probably a year 84 and 85. Because I have pictures of myself at the going to something in the 84 Olympics in LA and I'm wearing this big, huge pump on it. belt around my waist. So to find out how little they've gotten was awesome.

Scott Benner 53:55
I cannot find Wait, I didn't

Dana 53:57
really want to go on a pump Intel. It had that connection with the Dexcom.

Scott Benner 54:03
You know, that's interesting, because so many old school type ones say that. Like, like, well, when it works in tandem with something else, then I'll do it. But not until then it's interesting, like because you're not bothered by giving yourself injections. No, not at all. And you live through a time where the insulin wasn't as adaptive. So you'd probably don't think about things like extended boluses and Temp Basal and things like that. So you think well, there's no value in this. I don't I don't need to avoid these shots. If it does something else for me. Is that kind of the vibe?

Dana 54:38
Yeah, that was it. And also I retired from teaching preschool and I always worried about the pump in the tubing and kids pulling on it. But then there's not that problem with the Omni pot.

Scott Benner 55:00
Give it a try. Try the only power five. See if you like that. What's your goal range? What are you shooting for?

Dana 55:05
Well, I was shooting for 70 to 180. But listening to the podcast has made me realize I liked your analogies when you're when you said, you know, well, why not? 160? Why not? 140? Why not? Anyway, so I've been trying to be 70 to 140. And I've definitely seen improvement, it'll be interesting to see. When I get my next hemoglobin a one, see how well I've done without the pump. And that's gonna help me decide whether to try it again or not.

Scott Benner 55:46
What were you? What kind of agencies were you pulling with the pump.

Dana 55:51
Um, I, before I got the pump, I was probably 6.7. And then with the pump, I went. Each time I went to see the doctor got better and better. My last one was 6.0. And that's the best I've had in years.

Scott Benner 56:08
But you were irritated by having to change the site so much.

Dana 56:12
Yeah, it just became like it's taking it's interfering with life.

Scott Benner 56:19
Yeah, what, um, what what insulin, were

Dana 56:21
you using the pump? Human lug?

Scott Benner 56:24
Did you try different insolence?

Dana 56:27
No, never occurred to me.

Scott Benner 56:30
Yeah, I mean, I just wonder if, if it was the site, and your cameras and your body chemistry? Or if it was? I don't know. I'm sure. Humalog is FDA approved for use in tandem? I don't know if it is, but I'm guessing it is. But you know, they say like some sometimes you get clogs, and like my daughter uses insulin and a pump. That's not f it's not FDA approved for that pump, which just means they didn't test it. But you know, the people like, oh, it crystallizes in the tubing. And you know, we've never really had that problem. But But still, there's different. There's different things you can try. And you're retired, you have nothing but time. Give it a shot.

Dana 57:13
Yeah, especially because

Scott Benner 57:14
it sounds like you had an agency that was really just great at six and you had better stability. I mean, yeah, but I take your point, I take your point about having to switch it all the time. It's a pain in the ass.

Dana 57:28
Yeah, it is. It's yeah, I don't know. Try

Scott Benner 57:32
in pen. So you can get some of the functionality from a pump?

Dana 57:36
Like, try it in 10

Scott Benner 57:40
pairs. I think it pairs with Dex. Listen, mate, I think it does. It pairs with Dexcom. Right. Yeah. People are like, don't you sell in pen? I do. But I get. Yeah, I think it does, right.

Dana 57:58
Yeah, well, I will. I

Scott Benner 58:00
mean, just,

Dana 58:02
I never thought about changing. Insulin I didn't know was is there really that big of a difference between

Scott Benner 58:13
art and use Novolog. And we switched to a Piedra years ago, and I liked the way Piedra works. It acts kind of smooth in Arden. It's more deliberate. I don't know how to put it exactly. But for Arden, I don't know. And I've never switched back to Novolog to be perfectly honest, maybe I just wasn't very good at using insulin back then. But in the moment I thought I saw a lot of double arrows up and double arrows down with overleg. And I don't we don't see. We don't see arrows up or down almost ever with with Arden's care now you know when she gets an arrow down like something's wrong, so we just don't see that very frequently anymore. Wow.

Dana 59:02
Well, it's definitely something I'll talk to my doctor about it because she seems pretty open to changing things. When I changed from Lantis to receiver that was a great change. So there's definitely a difference and what is the long acting?

Scott Benner 59:26
Oh, that's a huge Listen, no disrespect to Lantus because but you know in your story back when it when it first came out, it was life saving for people. But recibo is going to cover 24 hours much more stably than Lantis is going to Yeah, yeah. And even

Dana 59:40
love Amir I think it was Atlantis and then live in there and then to receive and to Siva. Yeah. seems to not spike so it just keeps you even

Scott Benner 59:52
love Amir. I had to split for Arden when you know when she was little or it just never lasted 24 hours. Yeah. Yeah, mostly you're doing well. I mean, you don't really well, it comes down to me it comes down to your level of effort and the return you get for it. But I mean, honestly, you're two years away from being let's say, you were 14, and you're diagnosed, they said you were going to be dead when you were 34. So your two to two years away from 20 years on top of that, and how was your health in general?

Dana 1:00:24
Oh, really good. I think the only complications I have are, like I've had frozen shoulder. I had trigger finger I, I just went for physical therapy for it. And that really helped. So I feel like where my body is being affected by years of diabetes is tendons and ligaments, which is not something that's the you didn't read about very much. Yeah,

Scott Benner 1:00:56
no, it happens. My Jeffrey here. Mike's episode. Yeah, like he's had all those different issues. But But, okay, so trigger finger, frozen shoulder, not good. Did any of those symptoms get better when your agency came down when your variability came down? I'm seeing the correlation with that.

Dana 1:01:19
Maybe the trigger finger? I don't know if it's that or me doing these exercises every day?

Scott Benner 1:01:25
What are your trigger finger exercises look like?

Dana 1:01:29
You're kind of like sign language. It's funny because I told the therapists you know, I want to be able to continue to sign so you know, I need to be able to move my fingers and it's kind of like making the letter E with sign language and then

Scott Benner 1:01:47
it's finger calisthenics, then

Dana 1:01:49
yeah, exactly. There you go. That's funny.

Scott Benner 1:01:53
Well, trigger finger is not funny. But the idea of you sitting there bending your finger, I find it amusing for some reason. But okay, so generally speaking, though, your health is good. I mean, you're in your 60s, you're doing really well. You're obviously like, on top of things like you're a great conversationalist, and you have a great memory. You're remembering things from decades ago with no trouble whatsoever. So that's all all well and good. Does your husband have any involvement in your care any now?

Dana 1:02:21
I'm not a lot, just, he just nags me sometimes. And remind me like, when we go on trips, he's, you know, make sure you take the glucagon. And, you know, we had to use that on me once when we were on vacation. It was before Dexcom.

Scott Benner 1:02:48
Well, you shouldn't stick it on your daughter give him something to do.

Dana 1:02:53
Yeah, she lives too far away.

Scott Benner 1:02:56
He could text them bother. You heard me. I was bothering my kid by text before we started before we started going, right.

Dana 1:03:02
Wow. She won't respond well to that.

Scott Benner 1:03:07
Yeah, hi, honey. It's just me. I was wondering if you Pre-Bolus for lunch? Yeah, exactly. I would go well, that's interesting. Does she Um, well, no, I'm sorry, I we're coming up on time. And actually, I have to go to the dentist. So I'm a little stuck for being punctual today. But how do you find the podcast? This fascinates me?

Dana 1:03:32
Um, well, I think when I got on the tandem pump, I, I had a friend who's on a different pump. Medtronic. Anyway, she said, oh, you should go look on Facebook. See if there's groups you know, that, that you can ask questions. And so that's what I did in through one of these groups. Somebody mentioned, the podcasts, I kept seeing this and I thought, Oh, I like listening to books when I'm on walks, and I walk every day, especially since COVID happened, I mean, there was nothing else to do so. So I started listening and found it valuable and interesting. And I especially like the episodes with older people with diabetes because it's interesting to me to hear how different care was even the care I received and then I've heard a couple episodes with other people who got really hardly any information as you know, growing up with type one. So I don't know I enjoy those episodes a lot. Thank you for putting on us old people.

Scott Benner 1:04:58
No, i Please i love talking to everybody. I also think that it's completely possible that at the time you were diagnosed, that in the medical community's mind, you're dead man walking at that point. And it's just like, Well, we'll see how long we can stretch this out for this person. Yeah, and now it's just, it's so much different now. You know, really, really just incredible. If you think about the mid 70s, and 50 years, you know, people are wearing devices that are talking to each other and making adjustments to their insulin, keeping their a one season a six is almost like no trouble. That's a, that's a different world. You know, nobody, nobody gets diagnosed with type one diabetes now and gets handed pamphlets about, you know, your life expectancy being shorter. So it's a big deal. And it didn't, it didn't get you either. So you you've really thought through.

Dana 1:05:57
Yeah, I feel really fortunate that I'm still here. I didn't know very many other people with type one, but my husband's twin brother, develop type one after a motorcycle accident. Interesting. Which is so interesting, because my husband's been checked many times. And they say, Nope, you're you don't have any, you know, sign of it. But his twin brother developed it. And anyway, he's passed away, and he just didn't take care of himself.

Scott Benner 1:06:37
Yeah, I think you can get that he could have had an injury to his pancreas. Right. That they might not have known about? Yeah. Yeah, I don't know enough about this to start talking about it. But that could have happened, I think.

Dana 1:06:58
I think so too. I think I suspect that he had he lost the use of one arm. Like it affected the nerve in the arm. Oh. And he just, I don't know,

Scott Benner 1:07:15
did I had a couple of motorcycle accidents when I was young. And I'm lucky that I'm alive. So I know how, how vicious they can be. Yeah, like I've ever talked about on here. One day, not today, Dana. Okay, we got time.

Dana 1:07:30
But I'll be listening for that episode. Thank

Scott Benner 1:07:32
you the episode where I tell you how I got hit by a car and flipped upside down and landed on my head. Exactly why 20 years later, I needed shoulder surgery because of it. Sure. I'll tell you that when one day Don't worry. I can't thank you enough for doing this. This is a really interesting walk through decades of diabetes and, and you have a great way about you. So I thought this was wonderful. Thank you.

Dana 1:07:56
Well, thank you. I enjoyed it a lot. And I will keep listening.

Scott Benner 1:08:01
Oh, thank you so much. Hold on one second for me.

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