#932 Diabetes Myths: Snake Oil

June 13, 2023Scott Benner

A brand new series examining the myths surrounding diabetes.

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Scott Benner 0:00
Hello friends, welcome to episode 932 of the Juicebox Podcast.

Today, Jenny and I are going to talk about cures for diabetes. That's right. It's another diabetes myth episode. And you will not believe what the listeners told me that other people have told them. While you're listening, please remember that nothing you hear on the Juicebox Podcast should be considered advice, medical or otherwise, always consult a physician before making any changes to your health care plan. We're becoming bold with insulin. Here are a few things not to forget. If you want to save money, you can get a year supply of vitamin D for free and five free travel packs. With your first order of ag one from athletic greens at my link athletic greens.com forward slash juice box. You will save 35% off your entire order at cozy earth.com with the offer code juice box at checkout and you'll save 10% off your first month of therapy@betterhelp.com forward slash juicebox. If you'd like to hire Jenny, she works at integrated diabetes.com Check her out

this episode of The Juicebox Podcast is sponsored by two devices that my daughter has been wearing forever since she was a toddler. The first Dexcom today the podcast is sponsored by the Dexcom G seven. But you can get that G six too if you want it. Both of them at my link dexcom.com forward slash Juicebox Podcast is also sponsored by Omni pod. Today I'm gonna be telling you about the Omni pod five and the Omni pod dash. My daughter has been wearing it on the pod since she was four years old. You can to Omni pod.com forward slash juicebox. That's where you'll get started. Learn more. The whole shebang happens right there. Hey, Jamie, how are you?

Unknown Speaker 2:14
I'm fine. How are you? Scott?

Scott Benner 2:15
I'm good. I'm glad to hear that your voice is better.

Jennifer Smith, CDE 2:18
It is I found hopefully like me again.

Scott Benner 2:22
I actually got a note from somebody that said, How long will Jenny's voice be like this?

Jennifer Smith, CDE 2:27
Meaning it was not very, it was not preferable?

Scott Benner 2:31
I guess they weren't thrilled with it. But anyway, we are let's see what we've done so far with the myth series. I think we've got four in the can, as they say, completed. And today we're going to do I think you and I need some fun. So let's do miracle cures for diabetes.

Jennifer Smith, CDE 2:53
Oh, I'm sure there I've remembering the list there. Were there were some really unusual ones on this list. If I remember correctly, yes.

Scott Benner 3:00
Oh, we're not going to start with cinnamon. That's too easy. Okay. It's going to be my contention that it's not that people believe that cinnamon cures diabetes, it's that they've heard something. And then when they hear the word diabetes, and they want to help you their little synopsis fire in their brain and they go Have you tried this? And I mean, and like yes, yes, that's what I think. If that's not the case, I will reiterate here as a species, as humans have have cured, like, seven or eight things. And correct right three or five very much right and three or four of them aren't actually cures we just I think we inoculated people are correct. That's

Jennifer Smith, CDE 3:49
how I was gonna say a lot of them are actually now. Right their immunization for something. And they clearly work or we would have a lot more cases of measles and all of those that we get inoculated against as we're sort of going through the growing years and even as adults sometimes. There are some that you need to get to yet again, depending on your age through the life cycle.

Scott Benner 4:12
So polio comes to mind I've Yes, very close friend's father who just passed recently lived his whole life, you know, with a terrible affliction. It's like, but you don't see that much anymore. So is it cute is polio cured? No, it's right. We've inoculated it away as best as we can. Correct So i Alright, so I said let me skip all of the comments about cinnamon we'll get to that. Okay. I just want to I'm going to start with okra water. This person says they were told that okra water would cure their diabetes. Now let's try to figure out why that is. So diabetes UK says outside of scientific research, many people with diabetes have reported decreased blood sugar levels after smoke can cut up okra pieces in water overnight and then drinking the juice. In Turkey roasted okra seeds have been used as traditional diabetes medicine for generations.

Jennifer Smith, CDE 5:13
Okay, interesting. I would expect the first the first thing that you read makes me think that and I'm sorry to say for those of you who really like okra please enjoy your okra. I have not found a pleasing way to enjoy okra ever. It is it is slimy it Blair is the way I like think of okra and I like a lot of weird things. I would expect that it's the fiber and the that that slime Enos that I don't like. It almost creates a like a sludge sort of that's not the right word to use, but you get the effect. It sort of creates almost like a coding I would expect maybe in the intestines as it gets digested. This is all assumption, right?

Scott Benner 6:00
This whole thing is going to be assumption no more correct.

Jennifer Smith, CDE 6:03
That's that's what I would assume is potentially one of the reasons that you may get maybe a lower glycemic impact when you eat it with foods.

Scott Benner 6:14
Do you remember Olestra? Yes,

Jennifer Smith, CDE 6:17
okay. Oh, God, it was made in potato chips. Right?

Scott Benner 6:20
Right. They were putting it in potato chips. They were saying like, Here are these are potato chips that will make you gain weight. But no, but you spent your day in the bathroom. Yes. But it did the same thing. Right? Like it literally create a slip and slide inside of you. So yeah, that's

Jennifer Smith, CDE 6:33
a great yeah, so

Scott Benner 6:34
your body couldn't absorb anything. People were having like, they were expelling, like grease. From there.

Jennifer Smith, CDE 6:41
They were having fatty stool is what we call that's a

Scott Benner 6:44
very nice way of saying it. But when you're shooting grease out of your butt, you gotta be like,

Jennifer Smith, CDE 6:50
just gonna sit the bathroom. Thank you so

Scott Benner 6:52
much, honey, honey. did not enter. I think the Exxon Valdez sank in the toilet. So anyway, I think that's what you're getting at. Right? It's like so maybe okra has that kind of feeling. I want to say here it says okra is also high in fructans, a carb that may cause digestive issues and some people when consumed in large amounts. I also think it's time to say we're not telling you to do any of this stuff like, Yeah, correct, right? Yes. This is a list of things from listeners that they've heard from other people, Laird with my assumption that people aren't being you know, they aren't being cruel when they say stuff like this. And Jenny is not just a nutritionist, but you have a couple of like, hippie dippie ideas about food. So I love you in this conversation. Yay. Honestly, yay,

Jennifer Smith, CDE 7:48
well, and something else that might I think it crosses across, it crosses many of the things that we'll probably talk about that we're like brought up as people commented on them. In this case, I would expect, someone decided to do some type of lab trial with rats or mice with this after having found people noting, right, from a historical standpoint that some cultures were using this long term for managing glucose levels, I'd expect again, it has more ties to type two diabetes than to type one diabetes. Not that it couldn't cross the line and help if it is a gut level. It could help in both cases. But I'd expect somebody probably did some rat studies and fed them enough okra to notice a

Scott Benner 8:38
difference. As I always say, people with diabetes, we're busy trying to cure them, we should be busy trying to turn them into mice, because we have no trouble curing diabetes in mice, that if they could just turn you into a mouse Jenny, cure your diabetes, then turn you back into a person. This whole thing is set.

Jennifer Smith, CDE 8:56
If we're all cured that exactly.

Scott Benner 9:01
Why would someone be told that magnesium would cure their diabetes? Let's see. Magnesium appears to help manage blood sugar levels among people with diabetes. Also, those who tend to consume less magnesium typically have poor blood sugar regulation, higher risk of type two than people who consume higher amounts. top of my head I take magnesium oxide to stay regular with that

Jennifer Smith, CDE 9:27
it does help with digestion. Absolutely. So if you're eliminating more appropriately, yes. I mean, magnesium, obviously, it's a mineral. It's a very common mineral in the body. You can easily get the the level of magnesium tested with a lab draw. So you can actually see am I deficient? And for you know why you said you're taking it it helps with elimination, it helps just with regularity of elimination. A lot of people end up taking it in the evening so that overnight it works a little better. You go to the bathroom first thing and then Warning can also be used, you know, pregnancy wise for helping as women tend to get constipated in pregnancy many times. So it's one of the safe things that you can kind of use in that regard. I mean, it's

Scott Benner 10:14
magnesium comes in three forms, right? Glycine,

Jennifer Smith, CDE 10:18
oxide, me Yeah, magnesium oxide,

Scott Benner 10:24
glycinate,

Jennifer Smith, CDE 10:24
glycinate. And citrate Yeah, if I remember correctly, yes. And they

Scott Benner 10:29
are on all three of those things do different

Jennifer Smith, CDE 10:33
different things or are absorbed differently in the body. I mean, magnesium, it also plays a big role in a lot of the different organs in your body, especially from a muscle level, you might have heard magnesium being utilized kind of similar to potassium for like, muscle function, muscle soreness, those types of things. It has implications in like how the heart muscle contracts, and all of those things. So making sure your magnesium levels are optimal to begin with, just get a lab draw and see if you're okay. I mean, and that doesn't necessarily mean that you need to take magnesium just because people with diabetes do tend to often be lower in magnesium than the general public does.

Scott Benner 11:18
Okay. Let's see. We'll do a fun one. Oh. If I start taking Wim Hof ice baths, my type one diabetes will eventually disappear. What the heck?

Jennifer Smith, CDE 11:33
Do you know Wim? Hof. I've read the book. I also use some of his podcasts he does. I will say that there is not there's not craziness in it in a broad sense. But in terms of taking away your time on diabetes, that's absolutely false.

Scott Benner 11:53
Surely you don't think if I just pop a magnesium and getting a cold tub this Alala?

Jennifer Smith, CDE 11:57
I promise it will not hear anything that is Ealing, euthyroid, or iron level or anything for you, I promise.

Scott Benner 12:07
But not a bad thing to do is what you're saying? No, I

Jennifer Smith, CDE 12:10
mean, in fact, a there's a lot of really good information from the Wim Hof Method. Like I said, the book is a really informative and very, it's very interesting book in terms of what cold sort of immersion therapy does for the body on an immune level and everything. It's it's very interesting, but it will it will not cure your diabetes.

Scott Benner 12:36
What are those things? They called shock protein benefits? Like is that what they say? Like your body makes cold shock proteins? When you do like those? I don't know. Like,

Jennifer Smith, CDE 12:47
has, it has really an impact mostly on like, the inflammatory processes in your body? Yeah. So going beyond that? I wouldn't delve into any other like physiological. Because I haven't read the book in a couple of years. But yeah,

Scott Benner 13:05
well, you know, it's so hard to decide what's the difference between junk science or what they call bro science nowadays, right? Or? And, and if something's helping you, like, who cares? Honestly, like, you know, if you jump into icy water once a day, and you feel better, then God bless, like, what do I care? But I think the problem arises, and and it's seen throughout your health, not just in like one place where the expectation is, like, if a doctor says to you, I don't know, hey, you're low in vitamin D, we want you to have higher vitamin D, right? That's a fairly common thing for people with autoimmune issues. And maybe people in general, because we don't seem to go outside anymore. And by the way, Canada is on fire and the sun can't get through. So, so far, it's a little vitamin D deficient right now. And Canada pulled together. Maybe not honestly, just to put some more on that. Please help us out. Help us out. My sky was orange yesterday. I know Canada was on fire, but I also couldn't breathe so helped me. Nevertheless, it's

Jennifer Smith, CDE 14:09
passed out of our area for them. But we had a couple of multiple days in a row last week where we had air quality at like, horrible levels. And at the end of the day, the sun was like this, like blood red. And we had almost like this hazy quality to the air that was similar to what we usually get in July, August when our humidity is like 85 90% all the time. But yes, I am not affected from what I can tell by any of that. I don't have allergies, thank goodness. Other people have significant

Scott Benner 14:46
gave me a headache. My wife felt nauseous when she went outside. And no matter where you were, where I lived for about 48 hours, it smelled like 20 feet from you. There was a fire that somebody threw water on on, like, wow, so you really had significant? Yeah. Okay. Yeah, New York friends and my son were like, sent home from work. So like in the middle of the day anyway, that's our point. The point is, is that your doctor tells you hey, you're low in vitamin D, I'd like to see your vitamin D higher. And you do that you take your vitamin D, there's a number of ways to take it. Jenny's gonna tell you to take it orally under the drop with a drop. You can take it once a day, like I mean, listen, I'm not a doctor. And this isn't advice. I take 5000 I use a vitamin D every day. I take 4000 Okay, some people get 150 1000 iu tablet once a week, a lot of type ones probably recognize that I've heard that's not the best way to do it. But it's it's done that way because people forget to take their stuff, if not, right.

Jennifer Smith, CDE 15:50
And also because it forget, yes. But I think it's also a very easy therapeutic dose that the doctor thinks, well, once a week, they can do this. It's such a large dose, they're going to get enough at a time that we can easily do a lab check sooner and evaluate whether or not the levels are coming up. But for somebody with low vitamin D levels, like when I was initially checked, years ago, my vitamin D was 18. Yeah, optimal is 50 to 70. Your lab will usually say 30 to 100, Manos 18. And my endo was like this, this is wrong. We're gonna reach nearly all lab mistake, right? It came back it was eight t and again, that was his, he's like you're taking 50,000 I use he's like, it's gonna work fast. It's a really big dose. I took it. We retested and I think my level was like 22. Okay, he's like, really. And that's when I started seeing a naturopath. And she's the one that recommended the draft. She said there's an absorptive issue. She said, it's not uncommon with people with some type of autoimmune condition, a gut level, inability to absorb even that huge dose, it didn't do much. I started taking the drops, and it made a major difference

Scott Benner 17:04
in your level. But my point my level, you're gonna be a great person to ask, once your vitamin D was up, you didn't have a moment, right? Where you're like, Oh, my God, the world's brighter, like, everything feels different. And it's just bright.

Jennifer Smith, CDE 17:18
But I will tell you that I did notice a difference in my overall blood sugar management. Okay, cool, which was not, it was not poor to begin with. When I had that level of 18. I was, I was doing enough. I think of my own micromanagement at that point. Without the smart technology we have today. I mean, I just had a pump and a CGM at that point. But I noticed once my levels got up to level to where they should be, and were maintained there. I felt better because my blood sugars were easier to navigate, they were easier to manage. And it it's relative because vitamin D works on the cellular level, it works in how the body responds to glucose, it works on how the body receives and utilizes insulin, and on the internal cellular level, how the body uses the glucose once it gets in there. So optimizing vitamin D is not going to cure you. This is not a cure. But

Scott Benner 18:16
yeah, my that's all actually amazing information. I'm glad we have that conversation. I just wanted to tell people, just because you do something doesn't mean like rainbows and sunshine all the time. But it also doesn't mean it's not valuable for you. And a little bit here and a little bit there. Like all these silly things that were like going through if all of them have some small impact on blood glucose and whatever great you know, correct? Yeah, yes,

Unknown Speaker 18:46
absolutely.

Scott Benner 18:48
Jenny listen to this one. I received a video a video of I just mixed up a couple words there I received a video this person says with a number of different foot massages, all told to me to cure my diabetes and how long would it take to cure her diabetes if the the foot massages three days? Just three days Jenny?

Jennifer Smith, CDE 19:15
Really, man I gotta find the right the right massage therapist mine clearly are getting paid for things

Scott Benner 19:25
reflexologists sucks. massages to cure diabetes. Where is this coming from? Yeah, I'm

Jennifer Smith, CDE 19:32
I wanted to look like I'm not I mean, again, in a science based way. We do know that things like acupuncture acupressure, the right type of massage to the right area of the body. can absolutely this is not this is the easiest way I can describe it opens up pathways that may have been blocked from an inflammatory type. type of thing that can again, encourage your body to flow better with energy and all of this, I feel like I'm very earthy, crunchy, right? I'm talking about this. But clearly, all of these have a root in some type of root research and experimentation. But it's unfortunate that it goes as far as saying this is an all out cure. Yeah.

Scott Benner 20:27
So what ends up happening is like, I'm seeing a lot of returns here on Google that massaging your feet could help with diabetic like foot and leg pain. Yes. So okay, then I see somebody who's clearly trying to make money off of the idea, right. And, and this is really the crux of this conversation. In my opinion, I'm gonna see if I can get their website to load Apparently, they're not making much money because they can't afford a good server, hold on a second. But you can make an appointment with them foot reflexology to control and reduce and prevent diabetes. But when you click on the link, there's a ton of ads there selling things. Like it's, it's just the way to draw you in to try to get you to spend some money with them. Yes, and that that really is the shame of all this, and where I think a lot of this gets proliferated from, because at some point, like us, I'm going to use the low carb, like, diabetes thing is an exam. Sure, right. Or coaching is another thing, right? So at some point, someone says, Listen, I'll put it on me for a second. Years ago, I said, I talked about diabetes in a certain way, I say some same things over and over again, they seem to lead to my daughter having a one C and the low sixes. I don't, it's not prepackaged, I didn't write a book about it, I didn't call it something. But these things seem to work, I launch a podcast, it becomes incredibly popular. And now you can look around media, and see two dozen people, if you listen to them talk, they are parroting you and I and changing some of the words, and but at the end of it, they're also offering you coaching, and they give you a little bit of information, and then tell you how for just $60 a week or $200 a month or blah, blah, blah, they're going to explain to you which basically they're gonna explain to you like, I don't know, fat rises and Pre-Bolus I can probably, and probably Yeah, and they're gonna make a little money, and they're gonna keep going, they're gonna get the next soccer and they're gonna do it again, and again, and again. And that's what this stuff is to me, like, you know, it's, I heard cinnamon, so I'll make cinnamon tablets and all market them to people with diabetes. And there are these many millions of people have type two diabetes, and these many millions of people have type one diabetes. And if we just sell to a small slice of them, we're going to be rich selling cinnamon capsules. And that's in the end. And then they keep that conversation going. And I hate to say, but I see online, I see people making a living, teaching diabetics to eat low carb, and they sell their services. And then they go into forums, and they start arguments with people, because that argument will draw on at least five or six people who go I do want to hear more about that. And then they make another $1,000 that month off those five or six people, it's all marketing. It just really is, you know, sure. Yeah. Just to say this, like, in fairness, I just found out a way I found a way to make money. That doesn't charge the listener. It really is, you know what I mean? Like? Correct. So yes,

Jennifer Smith, CDE 23:38
well, and many, many times too, we have to look at what is what is the knowledge base of the person who is providing wherever the education comes from, and whatever source you choose to get your education or information from? What's what's their background? Are you getting it from a quality, a quality place? Does that person really understand? And if they do, maybe you're willing to pay for their service. I mean, I know a couple of people that have come to me choosing one, like, nutrition plan or another whether it's high carb, low carb in between, hold 30, whatever it might be. And they're either confused and need help and guidance on that path because they want to stick with it or they're like, I don't think it's working. But what I was doing before wasn't working either. Can you just tell me what to do? Right. So I think people are searching for what they think is going to help them the best and where you get it from again, I think is it's really important to do your research.

Scott Benner 24:43
I also I think you make a good point. Like if if I'm struggling that much and I give a guy $1,000 And I'm not struggling as much anymore. Well then, like it was worth it right on you know, I'm saying I think it's interesting that if I go to Instagram I don't see anybody who doesn't have a six pack and isn't super handsome and also has diabetes telling me about diabetes, right? Like I don't see. And just because you had a baby and you have diabetes doesn't make you a good, you know, crack guide through your pregnancy. But that is what happens a lot. It's the it's the Instagram mixture with this desire and need to make money. And like, just think about it. Like if if I was tall and super handsome and young, and I might have been like, well, I'll take a bunch of pictures of myself without my shirt on. And I'll say like, you know, I did this too. And so could you and like, you know, meanwhile, you know, I say all the time, like looking good in a bikini doesn't make you a diabetes expert. But those seem to be the peep the girls that we pay attention to on Instagram, right? It's

Jennifer Smith, CDE 25:49
the ones that get the clicks, because it's more of a visual to begin with, because it then leads down the path of, well, if you're doing it the right way. And you it's entirely a look, right? It's entirely this person looks like they've got it all together, look at them. I want to look like them is the first thought. And because they're living with something similar to me, must be doable. I need their tips. It must be doable. It must be something that's I'm missing an application.

Scott Benner 26:19
And I don't want to say that there aren't people out there who are handsome and helping people I'm sure there are. But right. I am in a unique position to tell you how the back end of this all works. Okay. People offer me money to do a lot of things all the time, and I turned a good chunk of it down because it seems 30 Although I am gonna. I am gonna make a video for us med soon because I was like, that's nice. I can do that. Now that I've lost some weight, Jenny. I was like pretty cool.

Jennifer Smith, CDE 26:48
Oh, you're like Scott looks okay, I can do this.

Scott Benner 26:52
I started I was like, How do I cover these dark circles under my eyes for that.

Jennifer Smith, CDE 26:56
But did she give you some fancy makeup tips? Scott has makeup. That should be the name of this episode, Scott has makeup. Let me just

Scott Benner 27:05
save you see a video of me. For us med somewhere. I'm definitely making me wearing makeup under my eyes. So funny. But But I think that it's just it's important to know, it's a scam. It's a scraping effort, like, right? Like, I only need five people this week, like these aren't people trying to be rich, they're trying to pay their bills. So they can get five people to give them $50 Then every week they make 250 bucks, and they pay their bills. And then they it's a business model where you only really have to have a hate to say this, it's very reminiscent of only fans, you only need 1000 or so people sending you $20 a month, and you're making $20,000 a month.

Jennifer Smith, CDE 27:45
And it goes right with these myth type of topics. Because it gets it gets you get drawn in from a click here and a click there and the person who is going to guide you through using milk, cat or whatever.

Scott Benner 28:03
Jenny, let's not say no for my cat, let's go to the one that I know you're waiting for.

Jennifer Smith, CDE 28:07
Okay, I did want to before we go to that one is I did want to talk about the massage because we kind of moved off from that. But it did want to say that there is there is I don't know if you ever put links or give links or anything for people to get some information. But the diabetes spectrum actually has a really good article on using massage and diabetes management again, not from a cure standpoint, but the real science kind of behind it. And what it may be beneficial for when you are living with diabetes and maybe even further with like foot conditions because of diabetes. So I can send you a link

Scott Benner 28:50
if you wanted to know, please. It's diabetes spectrum is diabetes spectrum. Yes. All right, Jenny. I feel like we should have a drumroll here because someone who listens to this podcast was told if they drank

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alright guys, I appreciate it. When you use my links when you're interested in DAX COMM And on the pod and everything else that helps support the show keeps it free, and allows conversations like this, where I'm about to tell you what to listen to the podcast was told to drink if they wanted to cure their diabetes. Are you ready? Trust me, you're not ready, but I'm gonna say it anyway. Someone who listens to this podcast was told if they drank cow urine, it would cure their diabetes. So, okay, so you think that

Jennifer Smith, CDE 33:40
one I can't even imagine has researched behind? I don't know what researcher would have been like, Yeah, this is a good idea.

Scott Benner 33:47
Oh, but it does. Really? Oh my god. It's so effective treatment by cow urine therapy. Consumption of Go muttrah ark might reduce blood glucose levels sulfur present in Callier and may act like soulful Lurie's, or it might increase insulin receptors sensitivity or cause an increased amount of insulin release. Now, here's what I want you to listen to. Might comes up a lot in that sentence. Like so it let me say it this way, if you all send me $50 I might send you back 100 I'll put my address at the end. Might is the big word here might increase also, it's just saying it's about something about sulfur, like but and then you think well this is going to be one crazy return. And you know, how could that possibly be anything else but there it is? Cow Urine genes cow urine therapy. A lot of this comes out of India.

Jennifer Smith, CDE 34:52
I was gonna say I wonder if it has to do with like the prevalence of Hindu Hindu kind of, I don't know

Scott Benner 35:00
Hey, Dustin times in 2018 ran an article cow urine can cure diabetes. And a study conducted by Bangalore scientists show that cow's urine lowers blood glucose level and can cure diabetes. Now, first of all, again, not that I think that cow urine can cure diabetes, but they're obviously talking about type two, type two diabetes is a rampant issue in India. And oh, yeah, maybe more so than here honestly. reduces blood sugar levels study conducted by perfectely. Again, we don't know who any of these people are blah, blah, blah, and it's 2008. And I can't find another return for it. But that's not the point. Is it? The point is, is that an article from 2008? From what is, you know, I'm gonna say new source in in India, somehow made it to America, where a listener of this podcast was told drink cow urine, it will cure your diabetes.

Jennifer Smith, CDE 35:59
That's where and even if, like, Where were you? To get? How urine fraud like if you went to middle of New York City, right, come on. Honestly,

Scott Benner 36:12
Jennifer, you live in Wisconsin?

Jennifer Smith, CDE 36:15
I do. But I'm not gonna go knock. I mean, I live in an area of Wisconsin that does have dairy. Really close. I could go knock on my local farmer's door and be like, Yeah, can you just not let the cows pee in the area there because I'd like you to collect it in this bucket

Scott Benner 36:37
of UC Jenny with a five gallon bucket under a cow you told me right away 2018 India Times cow urine can protect heart heal diabetic wounds.

Jennifer Smith, CDE 36:47
You'd have to be behind the cow by the way.

Scott Benner 36:50
Is that where the penis is? Or do you want the doesn't matter if it comes from a boy or girl? cow doesn't say

Jennifer Smith, CDE 36:54
I know that's a really good question. I mean, a penis for for a bull would be under the cow, obviously. But for female cows, it actually comes out more the back end you actually have to be very, very careful.

Scott Benner 37:09
You're not wrong. Like it's not saying Bolus saying cow

Jennifer Smith, CDE 37:12
specific thing. Cow. Yeah, so I

Scott Benner 37:15
need like a baby pool to get gathered up probably. That's good. So it's gonna have some cow poop in it. So just in case you're wondering. Yeah, I you know, I think I just take the diabetes.

Jennifer Smith, CDE 37:28
Correct. I mean, there are a couple that are a couple that I know that are coming up that I'd be like, I'll just, I'll just keep my diabetes. Yeah, well,

Scott Benner 37:36
here's a simple one cashier at the grocery store. And listen, who doesn't know medicine better than the cashier at your grocery store said, if I ate more oranges, I'd be cured. So I googled it. Because oranges have a low GI they trigger a slow rise in your blood sugar levels, making them more favorable for people with diabetes. That's the best return I can get about oranges.

Jennifer Smith, CDE 37:58
But that's not a cure, though. Where did the I mean really

Scott Benner 38:02
sets out people's minds jump.

Jennifer Smith, CDE 38:05
Like right and or maybe this person read something about the rind or the x the essential oil extract that you can actually get if you kind of scrape the outside of the the orange right to just get a little bit of that. I mean, there are unbelievable antioxidants in the skins and the appeals of all of our fruits there are but from a cure standpoint, this person read something that they you know, it's like the game of phone. Right? You say something to the kid next to you. And by the end of the line it's like entirely different. I eat

Scott Benner 38:43
an orange almost every day. Honestly. I think they're lovely. I are lovely use them for my if I have a sweet craving I haven't

Jennifer Smith, CDE 38:50
when I do the same Yeah, absolutely. cara cara are my favorite. Real like aren't like they're very, they're very orangey flavor. Yes,

Scott Benner 39:00
I hate to tell you but you get a beautiful bag of oranges at Costco for $9.

Jennifer Smith, CDE 39:04
You can and grapefruit recently the grapefruit are also there pink grapefruit are really good.

Scott Benner 39:09
I don't know if Costco are good people or not, but great. I buy my beef there too.

Jennifer Smith, CDE 39:15
That's okay. They don't have their orange trees behind. You know, Costco. So,

Scott Benner 39:18
Jenny, if I asked you if a prickly pear cactus could cure my diabetes, or yours or anybody's I don't have diabetes. That's a weird way for me to be speaking. Would you say that's crazy but WebMD tells me why do people take prickly pear cactus and people with type two diabetes supplements supplements made from one type of broiled prickly pear cactus them may look may lower blood sugar levels are early research shows that the supplements may lower blood sugar by 17 to 46% in some people, May and some what I just read was that ain't gonna work. But you know, like, it worked for somebody obviously because it made somebody say it out loud. Also, they're clearly talking about type two but yet correct here we are listening to the podcast was told, if I eat prickly pear cactus prickly pear cactus is oh, I should take them in pills. Because and this is a quote, it helped my sister in law's friend's uncle. Talking about your telephone game. My sister in law's friend's uncle. All right. I'm going to the next one.

Jennifer Smith, CDE 40:31
There's another one. I don't know if it's on. I don't know if it's on the list. We'll go down the list. And if it's not, I'll bring it up.

Scott Benner 40:39
Magnets.

Unknown Speaker 40:41
Oh, magnets.

Scott Benner 40:41
All I need is a ring with magnets. It could cure my diabetes. They don't think that's gonna work. Why do people want remember when everyone Brett Farve, you're from Wisconsin, you're gonna know this. Do you remember when Brett Farve?

Jennifer Smith, CDE 40:58
It depends. I follow nothing in professional he

Scott Benner 41:01
was Hawking magnetic bracelets, bracelets, yeah, for a while.

Jennifer Smith, CDE 41:07
And there is again, if you look at the science, there is some science to that that goes along with redirection of I mean, our bodies are electrical, that's probably not the right way to say it, somebody's probably going to be like Johnny doesn't know what she's talking about. Like, it's the reason that we can get a shock, right. And so if you redirect that normal, pulsing through our body with these magnets, it is the post to again, from whatever research that's been done. It's supposed to help realign the movement of things through your body. Again, not a cure. But people like, again, it's like the telephone game. It's almost like, well, if it's good for this, couldn't it be good for that? And then it's like, hey, it's good for this. And hey, you should try it because my neighbor's uncle's friend. It definitely works.

Scott Benner 42:02
Anyway. I google magnet secure diabetes, and you're right down a rabbit hole. Yeah, magnets will take away your neuropathy. burning pain and numbness will be 90% reduced. You know, and they use words like cohort to make it seem like it's a study. And it's not a study. It's a page. You know, but then you can see what you can see what people Google right. I don't know, if people understand when you Google something it gives you what mostly is asked, do magnets help neuropathy? Can magnets reverse my diabetes? How do I permanently use magnets to reverse my diabetes side effects of magnet therapy, this means that people like looked into this, like they heard it somewhere. And they went for it. By the way. diabetes in control.com, I don't know what that is. electric magnetic fields have been shown to reduce blood glucose and improve the body's response to insulin in genetically modified diabetic mice models. Well, again, if I could get you to be a mouse, then you'd be then all you'd have to do is live live in an electric, electromagnetic field your whole life, and I guess everything would be fine, altering the balance of oxidants and antioxidants in the liver, causing an improvement in the body's response to insulin. Okay, so you see, see where it comes from? You don't I mean, you,

Jennifer Smith, CDE 43:25
you do but again, you have to really, in all of this, you really have to know one, where did it come from to begin with? What's a really reputable source to look at for information and then you have to remember that if you use me, God, I am kind of if there was a really science based proof based cure, I, I hope that it would be that simple to just bring it out and be like, Look, we found this fruit that grows like, I don't on this plane someplace. And if you take it for the next seven days, your beta cells will regrow. And or if you eat it like once a week for the for the your life, you will keep your beta cells healthy and happy and restoring themselves, right.

Scott Benner 44:24
The way I like the way I like to think about any of this. I don't care about diabetes myths are anything if it really worked, you know, like I tell people all the time, they're like people jump online, and they'll be like, I saw this article about like, the cure, like is this real? And I'm like, you would know if it was real. It would be everywhere. There'd be sky writers. There'd be a town criers would be yelling. It's it's, you know, if you have to look for it. It hasn't happened yet. Right? Yeah. Okay, so can being a vegan or vegetarian cure my diabetes? No, no, a short or meet Jenny, forget those damn vegetables. I'm just gonna go keto it'll cure my diabetes, right? It will not know. It'll lower your need for insulin. Yes, yeah, absolutely. And that's where you see the thing, like, I've been told a few times that going vegan will get me off insulin. And there are I mean, you know, there's a lot of people who do that, like high carb or vegetable diet that, that have some success with that, right. But even like, there's wording here that I want to in this one statement, where did it go? It's the idea that if I, if I eat low carb, my diabetes will go away. And again, you can see the progression, like if you were eating higher carb and use this amount of insulin, and then your lower carb and you were using less, I see where people would say go away, but it correct. That's not the right use of those words is ends up being a problem. And then a person who knows that's true gets told this in a grocery store and they're like, hey, off. Like you can't cure my diabetes with meat. I was told by 23 month old needed to go on a celery juice cleanse, and he'd be healed. theorists claim that type one and type one and a half diabetes are autoimmune. That is the body's immune system attacking its pancreas. This is a quote they got from this person. Don't get caught up in this confusion. Like like so they were told by a person. You've been told this is how type one diabetes works. That's not even true. You just need a salary cleanse.

Jennifer Smith, CDE 46:41
You've been lied to. Essentially right. Rather?

Scott Benner 46:46
Yeah. God, I'm sorry.

Jennifer Smith, CDE 46:48
Oh, no, I was gonna say the, you know, the people who have the degrees. They have lied to you. And you don't need insulin. What you really just need is this easy vegetable to get. And that's it.

Scott Benner 47:00
Yeah. Oh, my janitor at work told me that if my kids ate pie there. Why did you laugh? janitors might know. So maybe this guy used to be a doctor? Let's find out. Hold on. Yes. Oh, they need to eat. I wasn't

Jennifer Smith, CDE 47:13
laughing because of the janitor. I was waiting for what it was gonna say.

Scott Benner 47:18
Thank you. I was trying to be silly. If my kids just ate by their blood type, they'd be cured. The blood type diets?

Jennifer Smith, CDE 47:27
Yes. Have you read the book? I read it years ago?

Scott Benner 47:30
No, I don't read it. I find it laborious reading.

Jennifer Smith, CDE 47:36
I really I really like reading, especially if it's informative reading. And I also really like historical fiction.

Scott Benner 47:44
That later one day. Yeah.

Jennifer Smith, CDE 47:47
But in terms of that, eat, eat right for your blood type, I believe is the name of the book. And there might be more out there now. But that was the book I read years ago. It it looks at history of the human population. And it looks at it from the perspective that from tribe to tribe, we didn't have the intermingling of cultures, okay, let's say or nationalities that we have, in today's world, right? Tribes tended to stay within their own group, many of them were in certain areas of the world where they were more the gathering type. And meat might have been very limited in ability to get so their portion of it was very low through the course of the year. So they were doing a lot more of the plant based diet intake, whereas there were other people who lived in a place where meat was the prevalent, like, thing for them to take in. And yes, they got berries and grains and things occasionally, but not like this group would eat meat. So the idea is that blood types, right, A, B, A, B, and O all came from the idea that their food had relation to their blood type. And that as we find out what our blood type is, we are more likely to do well in terms of our overall health. If in fact we eat according to what that blood type dictated from food, or for the kind of food right like, Oh, I remember specifically oh and a mainly because my husband is oh and I am a his blood type is supposedly more of the meat protein base whereas I actually eat without knowing it. I started before even reading this book. A is much more like plant based. It's much more like vegetarian and that type of a diet idea. Now eating to your blood type is that going to cure your diabetes? Again, that's the end point here. But the idea in today's world of eating that way, we have such an intermingling of culture and where people came from and everything that at this point, my expectation with that mixing is this isn't as beneficial. As the book points to, that's my thought, yeah,

Scott Benner 50:36
probably probably hard to sell a book Jenny, if you say might and may on the cover. Now, here, luckily, you don't need the blood type thing because you can just eat a cup full of blueberries. A well meaning person told me insisted, in fact, that if I just ate a cup of fresh blueberries, it would cure my diabetes. Many weeks later, months later, this person saw my father and apologized and said she was sorry, but she had been wrong about that.

Jennifer Smith, CDE 51:11
I'm laughing because do you know how long I've been eating blueberries? Where is my darn cuer? Where where is it? I really well.

Scott Benner 51:23
She didn't have a lawyer making the book cover for us. So she didn't say may cure your diabetes. She said definitely will. definitely will. My daughter was first diagnosed and for someone who never talks to me message me to tell me that her plant based diet would just help it work it all out. Yeah. Geez. And then then the woman says My daughter is on a plant based diet, even in the womb, because that's what I'm doing. And that person didn't believe her. What else do we have here? Tell me. Oh, a friend told me that I'm quote going through too much to control my daughter's diabetes. I just I should just look into different holistic options. And then she sent her a tick tock about mangoes and how they'll cure diabetes. I eat mangoes. I don't have diabetes, so Oh. Well, it might. Jennifer. I don't think so.

Jennifer Smith, CDE 52:20
Yeah. Yeah. I've had the occasional mango. I haven't seen any. Any movement towards curing my diabetes. Oh, yeah.

Scott Benner 52:32
Okay, hold on a second. I live in a very small rural town. My son has type one for years, we help locals with different things. An older woman who is very well respected in my community had recently lost her husband, and she was in need of help my son who was 14 at the time, and I both went over to help her clean out her horse stalls and help her with some paperwork. While my son did the yard work. She proceeded to tell me this very elaborate story about how the world is living in 3d. And we're about to move to five d, at which point this woman says I decided we had done enough and I needed to go while she was thanking us and we were leaving, she explained that I needed to sit my son down in yellow light daily to cure his diabetes, that I needed to get multiple yellow light bulbs and place him in the center of the room and shine the yellow light on him at least 20 minutes a day.

Jennifer Smith, CDE 53:30
I think this is I go really come on. Like I think this is one of the most absurd that I have heard. I think this even beats the cow hearin cabal think it does these

Scott Benner 53:43
minutes. Jenny, why are you not doing it? We've been talking for 45 minutes, you could have had yellow light on you the whole time.

Jennifer Smith, CDE 53:50
I could have and man I would be cured. I could

Scott Benner 53:53
just the next time we record you're into like a tank top and there's like yellow glowing around you. I'm

Jennifer Smith, CDE 53:58
gonna be like, okay, like I'm trying. It's got I'm trying.

Scott Benner 54:02
I'm gonna sound like a douche bag for a second here. I don't mind. Everyone should be questioning who they're listening to for everything. Not just this because lovely woman I'm sure but if she thinks this, imagine, imagine what else like like where you're putting your I don't know your your 401 K like, have you checked into what that guy thinks? Like, you gotta ask everybody some questions. I would now ask everybody. Do you think there's a way to cure diabetes before I let them do anything with me? My favorite piece of unsolicited advice. If I would only perform Reiki on my son's feet. I wouldn't need to inject him with insulin anymore. Yeah. my eight year old son was diagnosed a friend told me that certain diet together with daily here it is I know Jenny's waiting for this. daily coffee enemas would cure his diabetes.

Jennifer Smith, CDE 54:55
Yeah, this is the one that made me like not have any words at all. But, and this was this was advice to a parent right? Who would had a kid

Scott Benner 55:05
right? I'm pretty sure I think if you squirt coffee up your eight year old has asked the cops are coming for you just

Jennifer Smith, CDE 55:12
like that kid is definitely going to go to school and be like, I feel so good and they shouldn't be like, Oh, I'm so sorry Do you see didn't need to see the nursing kids give me like Don't send me my mom or dad is doing this right?

Scott Benner 55:25
Can I talk to you privately for a minute after English class? I don't know what to do. My mom and dad are putting a tube in my butt and squirting coffee in me. I need Hey, yeah, I think that's not right. You know what I'm going to come out strong on this one Jenny and say you should not be giving your eight year olds coffee enemas.

Jennifer Smith, CDE 55:43
They shouldn't be getting coffee to begin with. I'll put that out

Scott Benner 55:47
I don't want to go down a rabbit hole but I don't know why any of you are letting your kids drink coffee. I think that's silly. A number of things that can cure it foods drinking out of steel cup will cure it. Oh. Oh well Jenny used to steal a cup every day. Again. You're doing it wrong.

Jennifer Smith, CDE 56:01
Maybe I'm supposed to eat the cup or Likud?

Scott Benner 56:04
What if you so didn't okra and then had a cow piss in it? And then I put it up your ass? Oh my god. Behind the curtain, I don't need to look.

Jennifer Smith, CDE 56:22
Oh my god. Seriously, at that point. Like hop Shana, for what are you doing?

Scott Benner 56:30
You have CACs as the cows and a butthole. We are very close to securing you. Oh, maybe

Jennifer Smith, CDE 56:35
we should mix in the cactus to that.

Scott Benner 56:37
I mean, not the percolate. Frankly, part helps I counted the tablets. Yeah, we'll definitely get those and they will probably just we could dilute it in the urine. You know what this ends up ruining? How about my daughter takes a supplement called a VAs at all that significantly helps balance her hormonal issues. Right. And when people hear that forget people me when someone told me that at first I went, Oh, I gotta check this lady's underarms to see if she shaves before. I know if this is a good thing to do or not. But it's because of all this like this lady. This last lady says it's exhausting to hear this from people all the times. And it makes listen, I think I'm a common sense person. But I hear enough things like this. I go everybody's out of their mind. And then somebody comes along and says something that was actually valuable. And I almost ignored it because I thought What is this hocus pocus? Right? Yeah,

Jennifer Smith, CDE 57:31
yes, absolutely. I think that brings up one I said I was going to kind of mention along the line. This is it's not essentially a myth in terms of a cure. But it has actually shown some benefit in terms of glucose levels. And in terms of like insulin sensitization and that kind of stuff. It's called bitter melon. It's a traditional Chinese vegetable. And there are like supplements and whatnot that you can take as well. But it's heavily used in Chinese medicine, almost like some of the oral meds that are used in regular like westernized medicine. So again, not a cure, but it is something that does have like the Avasta tall, there is some value to it. If you look at it, with the right light, I say I'm gonna use this for this benefit I get

Scott Benner 58:25
I want to point out to I'm not one of those people who's like Western medicine. That's it like I'm, you know, I'm a person who alleviate a lot of my back pain through just positive thinking and, you know, doctors Dr. Sardos book, so I'm not like I'm not like a it's got to be in a pill and Pharma has to make it or I'm not taking it. I don't have that feeling at all. As a matter of fact, if you know, you smoke weed and it makes your life better, like go get it, you know what I mean? Right? I'm all good as cashier told me if my son just ate an alkaline diet, his diabetes would get better. If I just got these special pills from India, he won't need his needles anymore. And I can't believe this. This is a long one. I'm going to capsulize it. I can't believe I didn't see this the first time. An older gentleman in line ahead of me at the pharmacy told me has typed that I had the good type of diabetes. He had the worst kind. He was type two I was type one but then he said that don't worry because you can easily cure type one diabetes by drinking camel urine. I didn't see this in here because it's buried in such a long thing. And I like I like these conversations. I don't like to be overly prepared. So this is another one.

Jennifer Smith, CDE 59:36
The camel urine I wonder if again this man clearly listened down a line of fake

Scott Benner 59:42
telephone number cow.

Jennifer Smith, CDE 59:44
He couldn't remember cow but there there is again, similar to better bitter melon. There is some research into camel milk, okay. And the effects on like blood glucose regulation and whatnot. Again, not a cure. They weren't looking at it looking at it in research record. Need to cure, but they were looking at it in terms of what would it yield in terms of glucose regulation, decreasing insulin resistance, improving even lipid profiles from the research. So, again, where are we going to get camel milk from? But I think this is a direct that guy said camel milk Maybe he meant or he said camel urine Maybe he meant cow's urine. Maybe he meant camel milk me commingled them and he brought them together.

Scott Benner 1:00:29
I've just scrolled past a ton of people said, you have to do this homeopathically my son's karate teacher told me I shouldn't be giving my son insulin. I mean, you're not listening to your k. If you're not listening to your karate teacher about medicine, I don't know what you're doing. I would go to support groups to type ones for type one parents. And a mom said I don't believe in giving my kid drugs of any kind. We're just going to manage her diabetes with food, exercise, herbal remedies instead of insulin. And they said we said Oh, keep us posted. Let us know how that goes. And she says I hope someone intervened. A friend just told me her 15 year olds nephew type one was going into remission because they had prayed very hard. They laid hands on him at church. She said her doctor is the one who told them that it's in remission. And your kid had a honeymoon? That's terrible. That made me sad. Okay. Let's get back to pee in your butt. That's more that's more fun to talk about. That's more fun. Yes, is my fault. My daughter hasn't been cured yet. Because I gave her injections of insulin. It's my fault that her pancreas stopped producing insulin, because I gave her the insulin. Oh, no. Yeah, I should have given her no carbs or sugar and no insulin, and she would have healed herself by now.

Jennifer Smith, CDE 1:01:57
Oh, and there's there's somebody who hasn't been from the beginning, given the right information along with the diagnosis of type one means this right? You will not heal dead beta cells. Could you with low carb initially lean off of a heavy impact or a heavy request of those beta cells to continue to help? Sure. But eventually because it's an autoimmune based issue, the betas are going to continue to decline.

Scott Benner 1:02:33
For insulin, if you got type one diabetes, they starved you to keep you alive. They don't that was a keto diet. Yeah, high exercise, high water, no food, no carbs. And they sometimes get people live for a couple of years. That way.

Jennifer Smith, CDE 1:02:46
It was pretty much fat and very little protein. Yes. Okay.

Scott Benner 1:02:51
I have two more here. And this is going to lead into a tiny bit of a conversation. Can drinking apple cider vinegar, cure my diabetes or help with my diabetes? I want to say that recently I had someone on the podcast, who yes, people might know is glucose goddess. It's yeah, Jesse. And she she goes by that moniker. She writes some books. And I had her on because so many people are like, Hey, I follow this girl on Instagram. And I know I earlier I was like Instagram. But But and she really helps me. So what I learned in the course of talking to her is what she was talking about is just something that we always talk about is eating your food in a certain order to help the digestion process and help your body's not pick up the glucose is yes, drastically. And I cannot tell you how many people have gotten back to me and said, Hey, I did the stuff she said about eating in a certain order. And it's really making a difference in my Instagram, please. Yeah, yeah. So her hacks are.

Jennifer Smith, CDE 1:03:52
I know, I don't know her personally, but I know her. Her teachings well, and I listened to the episode it was quite, quite good. And even even her information about the apple cider vinegar is very informative as to why we would expect it to assist in some way. Right, though, the way that it works on a gut level and impacts the way that your body digests and absorbs carbohydrates from a slowing nature. There's even a muscular based response to the apple cider vinegar intake. I think she did a really lovely job of explaining, especially not being a person with diabetes herself, only understanding it from her health reasons for looking further into how to eat the way that she encourages. She was

Scott Benner 1:04:44
a little nervous when I asked her to come on the show. Because really, yeah, because she's like, people are gonna think I'm saying like, you can cure diabetes. And I'm not saying that she goes but it always gets confused and people say, you know, and she said plus I at one time doing this research she were a CGM, and You didn't want to get that. Like, you know, sometimes you'll take some crap for wearing a CGM if you don't have diabetes online because again, right? Here's a myth. If someone doesn't have diabetes, and is I don't know, given a CGM by a doctor or can afford to buy it in cash or whatever they do. That doesn't take CGM from you. No, no, it doesn't. Dexcom would be thrilled to make more of them. They they're not and sell more of them, then. That's always that's a myth around diabetes. My good health doesn't stop you from having good health. And it just, and I've heard the argument, well, I can't afford it. That's a different argument. Like Like, right, like, yeah, affordability is different. But just because one person got one doesn't mean another person doesn't get one. That's a scarce, that's a scarcity mentality.

Jennifer Smith, CDE 1:05:47
Correct. And that, while in the past couple of years, we have had issues with backorder. And we have had issues with supply chain and that kind of stuff. At this point, unless you really get a notification about supplies being like a week behind or whatnot, you should not be able, you should not have the issue of getting supplies just because somebody without diabetes is buying it out of pocket themselves. Yes, you

Scott Benner 1:06:10
should trust that in a capitalistic society if a company is making something and people want to buy it, and then they run out of it. They will make extra more Yeah, because it listen the same thing. I mean, now Jenny, you know, like I'm almost 11 weeks into week Ovie I have lost 21 and a half pounds, I think. I don't think it's a stretch to say I almost looked like a different person sitting in front of you. It's been really amazing for me. But there was that like whole like though there's an ozempic shortage and these people using this for weight loss or stop and type twos from getting it. That did happen for a second. Like for a second Novo Nordisk was like, we didn't make enough of this. And but they don't go home and cry, and then watch Murder She Wrote, they open up new factories and new process and they're like, hey, ching, baby. They sit out there and they start making more. And so it's almost necessary. You know, like, be happy. It's helping people. There'll be a little ebb and flow in there. And then it comes right back again. Same thing with that. People might wonder why I didn't include. There's a cure, and it's being hidden from you in this episode, but that's because I think that's going to be its own episode.

Jennifer Smith, CDE 1:07:27
Episode. Okay. I feel like Gosh, that'll be an interesting discussion. Oh, we're

Scott Benner 1:07:31
gonna talk about aliens and Bigfoot and all kinds of stuff in that one. So, fabulous. Thank you for doing this, of course.

All righty Roo. Thanks to Jenny integrated diabetes.com. If you're looking for Jenny, thanks to all of the listeners who sent in their stories of what they were told would cure their diabetes or their loved ones diabetes. And I know you're thinking Scott, you didn't mention cinnamon? Don't worry, it's coming. Let's thank Dexcom of course Dexcom makes the G six and G seven continuous glucose monitoring systems, and you can learn more about them and get started today. doing yourself a great favor and supporting the podcast by using my link dexcom.com forward slash juice box and get yourself an omni pod dash or Omni pod five at Omni pod.com forward slash juice box links in the show notes links at juicebox podcast.com. Hey, if you're looking for a big group of people who don't think that flying saucers who are being flown by monkeys can cure your lumbago check out the Facebook group that I started for the podcast. It's a private group with 40,000 active members Juicebox Podcast type one diabetes on Facebook, absolutely free, great place to meet great people. We're just kind of lurk around, see what's going on. Listen to the conversations or maybe just learn how people are handling their type one type two gestational pregnancy with diabetes, and so much more Juicebox Podcast type one diabetes on Facebook. The term snake oil is used to describe any worthless pseudo medical remedy promoted as a cure for various illnesses. By extension snake oil salesmen are charlatans who sell such fraudulent goods. In 19th century America, snake oil was commonly promoted as a cure all and that's where the phrase comes from. Sales of a legend rattlesnake oil continued into the 20th century. In 1915, the US government ordered the analysis of a well known product, Clark Stanley's snake oil Lindemann. The analysis found that this snake oil was really a light mineral oil or a petroleum product mixed with about 1% of fatty oil that they believe may have been beef fat, capsicum, and possibly a trace of camphor and turpentine. Since the product untainted, no snake derived oil. Stanley was taken to court found guilty of misbranding and misrepresenting the product, he was fined $20, the equivalent of about $430 In today's world, but I'm gonna say at least he didn't ask you to put that in your butt. Thank you so much for listening. I'll be back very soon with another episode of The Juicebox Podcast.