#682 Charlotte Drury

Yea, that Charlotte Drury. The one who got type 1 diabetes a month before her Olympic trials.

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Scott Benner 0:00
Hello friends, and welcome to episode 682 of the Juicebox Podcast

I think we can all agree that there's never a great time to be diagnosed with diabetes, but one month before the Olympic trials, that's really bad timing. And that's exactly what happened to today's guest, Charlotte Drewery. I know you think I'm gonna have her on here and talk about all her Olympic hopes and trampoline and everything. And sure we'll get all that but I actually invited Charlotte on because of something I saw her going through on Instagram. While you're listening today, please remember that nothing you hear on the Juicebox Podcast should be considered advice, medical or otherwise, always consult a physician before making any changes to your health care plan, or becoming bold with insulin. A if you're a US resident Charlotte or with the Olympics us you know us if you're a US resident who has type one diabetes, or is the caregiver of someone with type one, please go to T one D exchange.org. Ford slash juice box right now and take the survey. When you do you'll be helping people with type one diabetes and supporting the Juicebox Podcast. I have to tell you, I thought Charlotte and I got along famously, I actually think we're friends now.

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Charlotte Drury 2:10
I am Charlotte. I obviously have type one diabetes, and I'm here today to just chat.

Scott Benner 2:16
Cool. Well, it's not that obvious. I talked to a lot of people who don't have diabetes, they end up being caregivers but I take your point. Let me tell you about how I spent the five minutes before you came on. I'm your name breaks my brain the way Charlotte is spelled versus I agree how I hear it my head. And I had never considered it before sitting down. I was like, her name is Charlotte, Charlotte lot. And then I got Lou and

Charlotte Drury 2:46
every Starbucks barista has had that exact same revelation.

Scott Benner 2:49
Well, then I got lost in it. And then I was looking at your last name. And I'm like, Oh my God, our last name is weird, too. So now I'm just sitting here, staring at the screen going Charlotte Drewery Drewery, Charlotte, and I was like, oh my god, I sounds like

Charlotte Drury 3:06
if you put my name and did Google Translate and you got like the exact pronunciation of each phonetic letter.

Scott Benner 3:12
Exactly. That's exactly right. Because when I think of it, your name Charlotte. And I don't consider how Drewery is, is spelled. And then the more I said Drewery I started saying it wrong. And then I freaked myself out. I stopped thinking about it. So

Charlotte Drury 3:29
then the entire word itself lost its meaning and then you question the meaning of life and yeah,

Scott Benner 3:34
where do you I fell down that sort of like bizarre psychedelic rabbit hole. I was like, her name doesn't make sense. But anyway, great. Marry a guy named Smith one day or something. I think you could really straight this whole problem out. Perfect. How old are you, Charlotte?

Charlotte Drury 3:52
I am 25. But I'll be 26 in two weeks. Oh, happy

Scott Benner 3:56
birthday. Thanks. And then you're gonna see me writing. I don't usually do video with most people. So now Charlotte's watching me to make the podcast and I'm suddenly aware of myself,

Charlotte Drury 4:05
making them very nervous. And in fact, that actually brought a magnifying glass. So I will be holding that up the whole time. I know you guys are listening. You can't tell but I'm just worried. I have I have this unlocked.

Scott Benner 4:15
I'm just thrilled. You don't know where my hairline used to be? You have nothing. You have no perspective. So you're 26 How old were you? 26 and two weeks. How old were you when you were diagnosed?

Charlotte Drury 4:28
I was 24. But it was about almost exactly a year ago.

Scott Benner 4:32
Okay, so you've only had diabetes for about a year. diagnosed. All right. Interesting. So when you first started thinking something was wrong, what were your symptoms?

Charlotte Drury 4:45
Um, well, I've been an athlete my whole life. And I was just kind of used to a certain level of performance. And over like the last or not the last year I guess starting two years ago, I kind of started noticing a decline in training and it was just So sudden and really hard to keep up and, you know, chalk it up to the pandemic and just stress in general. And then after about a year of that, noticing that I just felt couch lock fatigue, moody, unhappy. I didn't notice that like dry mouth having to go to the bathroom all the time, until looking back on it, because I just assumed that I was working out so much that I was really dehydrated. But yeah, those were really my main symptoms, and it was really just falling behind in sport.

Scott Benner 5:32
Okay. I guess when you perform at a higher level, was it obvious sooner than you think if it was just you, like, you know, not able to walk your 30 minutes on the treadmill, like after work like most of us attempt to do, but you know,

Charlotte Drury 5:47
I do. And I don't, I think it's kind of a double edged sword of, because I was working out so much and performing at such a high level, my body kind of kept this level of fitness, throughout the physical decline that diabetes was getting or untreated diabetes was causing. And then the other side of that is that I think I might have not noticed at all. Or notice the physical decline if I wasn't trying to push myself so hard. So it was like maybe I just was able to push myself harder for longer.

Scott Benner 6:18
Do you think your body was at a level where even though the decline was significant? You were able to kind of power past it? Yeah, and definitely. And that's the

Charlotte Drury 6:27
mentality of elite sport. I think it's like, Oh, you don't feel good. Try harder.

Scott Benner 6:33
Yeah, I know my son wants. He plays baseball in college. He wants twisted his ankle, it was purple, and twice the size it should be. And he says to me, I think if I wrap this I can play.

Charlotte Drury 6:44
Oh, yeah. I totally hear that. I broke my ankle. And I still tried to compete.

Scott Benner 6:50
Like I say, I said, I don't think we're going to do that as the one we're gonna we get this fixed up first. But it's yeah, it's also tough, because you spend so much time I think people probably think about it much. But you know, the performance of your sport, or the, you know, or the game, whatever it ends up being is such a small percentage of the actual time you spend working towards it. And, you know, it's hard to it's hard to give that away, when you've put nine months or a year into this idea that you're going to play in a nine inning baseball game. 50 Oh, my

Charlotte Drury 7:24
God. Yeah. Preaching to the choir. Like, my routines. So for trampoline, because I'm a trampoline. It's my routines are 20 seconds. And I trained from when I was three years old in gymnastics to make it to an Olympic Games, where you compete for 20 seconds,

Scott Benner 7:40
right? Did you ever think about it cognitively as it was coming up? Like what am I doing? Oh, yeah. Like, because if we put this in other context, you would not do this?

Charlotte Drury 7:53
Literally not? Absolutely not. Are you like, I mean, I have to like, look at myself in the mirror and be like, You're crazy. What what are you thinking?

Scott Benner 8:05
I'm going to ask you later about because I am interested in what drives you to make a decision like that and to stick with it. But okay, so you have this this. This kind of left down of your physical performance? Do you end up going to a doctor? Do you tell a parent a coach, how do you proceed?

Charlotte Drury 8:20
Yeah, I went to my doctor because we, I had attended a national team training camp. And it was like our first camp back since pandemic, it was supposed to like kick off the year leading into the Olympics. And I just was getting my ass kicked I junior athletes that were doing better than me and couldn't get through teams that could do anything. I was absolutely miserable. And on the way home, I was like this is beyond just being mentally burned out. This is beyond just falling behind and getting older and really hard sport. Something's wrong with me. Like I fully had that penny drop moment of something is wrong. I don't know what it is, but something's wrong. So as soon as I got home, I landed, I called my doctor. She ordered some bloodwork got it done right away. And then she called me that evening, and was like, surprised. Do you have diabetes?

Scott Benner 9:14
No, I don't. Because Wilford Brimley has diabetes, and I'm not like him at all. And I don't understand this unless you have it in your family.

Charlotte Drury 9:22
No, nobody, not a single person. My little sister does have celiac. So that is the autoimmune kind of similar, or like,

Scott Benner 9:31
yeah, no, I was gonna ask you in a second if there's any autoimmune in your family. So trust me. Yeah, that's the really the only thing Okay, no, thyroid, anywhere. Nope. Here's one. I liked it.

Charlotte Drury 9:42
Like, I think maybe like a cousin has a thyroid thing.

Scott Benner 9:47
That counts. Okay, cool. It counts. Yes. There's like an aunt like after Christmas dinner runs to the bathroom for like a half hour stomach gets upset anything like that? I don't think so. A lot of times, it's still There's people have celiac, they just don't know they do. Really? Yeah. And it's just they think they say things like, Ah, my stomach doesn't like me like, Okay, does that

Charlotte Drury 10:09
also doesn't like me, but that could have been the bagel and ice cream and pizza.

Scott Benner 10:14
Yeah. It's interesting. You said about getting older when you're young because you're you're 24. At that point, you're like, maybe I'm just getting older. Again, my son said to me, this spring is a spring training was getting going. He's the senior. I said, How's it going? He goes, I feel old. And I was like, yeah, he goes, he's like, like, the rust is breaking off, and I'll be okay. But he all he did was lift through the offseason and hit, you know, inside. And he just said, he's like, I just, I see some of these younger kids rolling around. And they just, they don't show up, like creaky the next day, like I do. And it took them a couple of weeks. And he sprung back. But he's like, I feel old. It was weird to hear a person say that to me.

Charlotte Drury 10:54
I mean, that was like, fully my mentality in that year of training, undiagnosed, was, Oh, I'm just past my peak. Oh, bummer. I'm just not that good anymore. And given a little bit more time being healthy, I think I totally would have gotten back to 100% been, like back to fighting for him. But by the time I was diagnosed, it was only a couple of weeks until Olympic trials and a couple of months until the Olympics, so it really wasn't enough time to kind of start up and build all that strength back that I had lost in the last year. It did my best, but definitely a lot of it came back, but not all of it, which is kind of a bummer. But

Scott Benner 11:38
I hear you. Yeah, listen, I just, it's hard. I just had to have knee surgery because I woke up one day and my knee hurts. So don't complain. I wasn't bouncing on anything. So you, you get this news from the doctor? Are you training somewhere alone? Are you living at home? Or are you near family or friends?

Charlotte Drury 11:58
No, I was actually just living with my partner. And my parents had left and moved out of state like two days before I was diagnosed. So it was really just me and my partner. And then obviously, my support system in the gym, which is my coach and teammates and stuff. But through the pandemic. I mean, I was training by myself. So it was just my coach and I. So my circle was really small.

Scott Benner 12:20
So what does your I mean, how do you know what your blood sugar was when that bloodwork went back?

Charlotte Drury 12:26
My agency was 14.6. I don't know exactly what my blood sugar was in that moment. But I do remember pricking my finger like right after I was diagnosed like a couple of times, and it being in the six hundreds.

Scott Benner 12:38
Yeah, that's crazy. You mentioned that it's possible that it was going on for longer than you knew. Looking back, what do you think was going on?

Charlotte Drury 12:47
So I had suffered a couple of injuries in the late months of 2019. And they were nothing major major. I mean, I guess one of them was pretty major had a really, really bad concussion that, you know, took me out of school to get a training. And that took a super long time to heal. The same thing is like I had a tear in one of the ligaments on the top of my foot. And it just was not healing, it was an injury that should have taken, you know, a month to kind of clear up. And it took three, four or five months before I felt like it was like anywhere near normal again. So I was healing really slow, which looking back. That was before I was even having a like tangible decline in performance and sport performance. But my body was just struggling, I think.

Scott Benner 13:39
Yeah, no, it's completely. I mean, there are people who, I mean, some people have Lada, you know, type one and a half, and it takes years and years and years of like this slow, slow decline. And, you know, it's not, it's not crazy. I mean, still a quick onset with type one is common, right? And quick, could be a couple of months or, you know, etc. But I hear you it happens so slow, and you don't see it happening, you know, what was the Yeah, and

Charlotte Drury 14:04
you just explain it away. You know, you just, you just come up with all the reasons of why you're fine. Like, it takes a lot to get to that tipping point to think oh, you know, maybe something's wrong.

Scott Benner 14:19
Well, my daughter was two and she was diagnosed. And she had just switched from bottles. So when she would have these incredibly heavy diapers, we'd be like, Wow, because because she's drinking so much with our cups, like we were, we were proud of her. Right. And thinking, oh God, where we like where she dehydrated before because look how much she's drinking now and you just, you're just not Yeah, exactly. You explain it away. Yeah. Because surely they think it would be a long unhappy life. If everything that happened your brain ran to you know, I probably have diabetes, or oh my god, right. You know what, this probably is arm cancer. You know, like, it's like, you know, like so like, I think it's a it's a protective measure. In some ways. It just ends up in this scenario becomes dangerous if you don't pay attention to it. What? What if any technology do you leave the diagnosis with?

Charlotte Drury 15:10
So I walked out of the doctor's office with a long acting insulin. That was it. Oh, no Anna and a finger prick her finger meter. I call it my finger picker. I don't think that's actually what

Scott Benner 15:21
it's called. Call whatever you want. I don't care. So you're just left with like a Basal insulin? Do they give you nice syringes?

Charlotte Drury 15:30
Or a pen? They gave me a pen and a sample of four needle heads.

Scott Benner 15:36
Okay. And let's just call it your picker. And but a meter, you gotta meter and test strips got a meter? And yeah, and a way to make a hole on your finger. Yep, actually got three things. You got test strips. That's the picker part is a picker, which I think is called a lance. Yeah,

Charlotte Drury 15:53
I agree. Since I was learning so much at the time.

Scott Benner 15:57
Charlotte agrees I've made it it's called Lance. Why thank you. How benevolent

Charlotte Drury 16:03
petition to change it to prickers. I just there was so much to remember at that time. And I think whenever I needed my picker, it was I was either low or really high, my brain wasn't working. And I would just point and be like, I mean, I need I need the pricking thing.

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it stuck well also, I mean, I guess not for nothing, not the diabetes doesn't invade everyone's life and put your real life on hold for a minute, but your real life was you thought you were going to be in the Olympics, right? Yeah. So it wasn't like you couldn't go to English. And you were like, Yeah, let's make that up next semester. So you have like, your big time constraint, lifelong pursuits. That somebody's like, hey, guess what? Those 20 seconds you've been praying for me? Yeah, maybe not. And so maybe not. Yeah. And that's in your head, too. Did you then what did they do give you you have to make an appoint with an endo. Because, I mean, you're just doing Basal. You weren't Bolus. Yeah, it

Charlotte Drury 21:06
was honestly like a disaster at the start, like so because I'd seen like, I saw my primary care and she's fantastic. I've seen her my like whole life. And she was like, You need to come into the office first thing in the morning. There's like an endos office connected to my primary care office. So I went into there, but the endo was like, you know, booked out for months, and you can't get an appointment. She literally just walked me into the office and the nurse educator or nurse practitioner or some somebody in the office was just like, oh, okay, like, well, here's some insulin, take 10 units prick your finger. By

Scott Benner 21:44
you've had it for a year. Now you realize that's plenty of information. You're fine. Yeah, no, I'm fine. I'm doing good. See what happens and listen, if you faint. Get your printer and get your progress your blood? How long? How long did you live like that?

Charlotte Drury 22:01
It was only it was a week. So I think that was maybe like a Monday. And then the office? And like, Go, Dr. PERIES. My primary care. She was like, No, you're gonna get her in this week. You are going to get her in. Yeah. And the office was like, well, we'll try. We'll try. And she. I was literally in the doctor's office that morning. Sobbing and then they brought her in because I was so emotionally distraught. And she was like, You're gonna be okay, it's gonna be fine. And she looks at the nurse in the room. And she goes, you're gonna get her in and just like death stares her. And then it's like, well, we'll try it. And she goes, No, you're gone. Get her

Scott Benner 22:42
to kill her on your side once. And I was like just just shriveled up in a corner. Like, yeah, yeah, no.

Charlotte Drury 22:54
I think I was like, snuck in on like, a Friday. So it was maybe like five days of me just try not to eat a carb, and learn as much as I can and reach out to anybody in the world that I know that has type one. Yeah. And yeah, I mean, that first week, those first two weeks and even after seeing the endo for the first time, he just upped my basil and actually still didn't prescribe me a fast second insulin. And it wasn't until I think the following week that I was doing like virtual appointments with the nurse educator in the office where they teach you everything. And she was like, you really need a fast acting insulin. I was like, I don't know a lot. But I know you're right. I heard that. So she called the doctor. And then then he prescribed it. And then I got it. And then I got started on it. And that's when I really started to feel better and

Scott Benner 23:41
get directions from them about how to use it, or were you figuring it out online? Or?

Charlotte Drury 23:46
Um, she did give me some directions, but I was so confused. Again, horrible, really horrible. Oh, my God, she doesn't

Scott Benner 23:57
know let's get better at your job. Have some pride

Charlotte Drury 24:01
honestly do better. Um, no, I was like, trying to figure it out online. But again, all those words are new, and everything's just so new. I really just needed somebody to very simply break it down for me. And she was the nurse educator was really cautious and telling me this or that or this or that? Because diabetes is so personal, which it absolutely is, once you have it figured out. But there are some like baseline rules. You just kind of need to know,

Scott Benner 24:32
Charlotte, I have a series that must be over 40s It's got to be over 40 episodes long. Now. There's basically five to 10 minute episodes that are called defining diabetes. It's every term that you hear. And it's not. It's not read to you like out of a definition. You know, like here it is from the it's Look, here's Bolus. This is what Bolus means. Here's what it means. Technically, here's what it's gonna mean in your life every day. It's a fun, you know, I pride myself on making the Very listenable diabetes content. And so it's a fun conversation where when you end it you go I know what Basal means now. I know what yeah, you know, the K means now like, because to your point people are yelling a bunch of words that you know, context for them whatsoever that and you're scared. Yeah. And your blood sugar's probably still vacillating all over the place, and your life is changed irreparably. And you're worried about your 20 seconds. And you know, like, like, every other thing that happens, I, if it makes you feel better when my daughter, my daughter was diagnosed, a nurse came in the room, fourth day, I think, and said that they were going to teach us how to count carbs. And then she started adding fractions, and I just, I just started crying. Like, like, just like crying, and my wife goes, you're gonna need to come back and she left the room and one of the only times Charlotte, your youngster, but one of the only times my wife's been nice to me, like the last 30 years, and she turned to me, she goes, you're okay, you know how to add fractions. And I said, I'm gonna kill her. That's what's gonna win. And I didn't mean the nurse. I met my daughter. I meant I'm gonna mess this math up. I'm gonna kill her. I know I am. That's what it felt like, in the moment. Yeah, I lost the ability to add fractions because of the pressure. And in some ways, this podcast exists because I don't count carbs. And I don't do things the way other people do. And, you know, inside of this podcast is how we my daughter's a one C is, you really don't know this podcast. I know. My daughter is a once he has been from five, two to six, two for eight years. Wow. Any diet restrictions. I know how to use insulin, and I know how to talk about it. I just don't know how to count carbs and add fractions when you need.

Charlotte Drury 26:49
Tough. I remember that day in fourth grade vividly. Yeah,

Scott Benner 26:52
was terrible. And Mr. Chabot? Let me be honest with you. While we're calling people out. Mr. Cicala, my fourth grade teacher was a horror, okay. He hated me. I know he did. I know you're allowed to hate children. You just don't talk about it. This man did not like me whatsoever. Thought I was sarcastic. I was probably a little fat kid, which, you know, in this in the seven days, and I kind of get any respect there. There's no like personal choice. But I've done. It's not like that's the body's comfortable in there like Scott, stop eating, you know, a shame the four year old for certain, right? And so every Friday, he'd give a math test. And it was 100 quick questions, where he you'd take a piece of paper was one to 100, a little pencil, and he'd go two times three, and you had to write six and move to line two, because he was already saying five times eight. And they were simple.

Charlotte Drury 27:40
I would get this is when you discovered what anxiety was,

Scott Benner 27:43
I would get most of them wrong. And then what would happen is you had to write each 110 times over the weekend. So my entire weekend was spent writing out 1000s of multiplication things over and over again, while my parents yelled at me. Like, how could you not understand three times five is like, well, I know it now that you're saying it, you know, and like and so I think he enjoyed torturing me. I don't even remember why we're talking about that anymore. But

Charlotte Drury 28:10
I would agree with that. We're unpacking childhood trauma. We're here we're here for at all

Scott Benner 28:14
can I tell you? He's probably dead. And I'm okay with it.

Unknown Speaker 28:20
C'est la vie.

Scott Benner 28:21
Were there were people who loved them. But he was very mean to me and I don't have any I have no remorse.

Charlotte Drury 28:26
You know what? He wronged you? And that's okay. You can you can feel what you feel

Scott Benner 28:30
sure you have no idea how bad I am with names. That I know that man's odd last name still means he really? He tortured me? Yeah,

Charlotte Drury 28:38
you're gonna remember it for the rest of your life.

Scott Benner 28:39
So anyway, so sorry, let us just segue away from that. Because you're on the podcast. I don't imagine you know why you're on the podcast. I know why you're on. And it's not because just to let people know to talk about me again in fourth grade when you all send me emails a year ago, you should get Charlotte Drury on the podcast. She just got diabetes. She's trying to be in the Olympics. You make me not want to do it when you do that. I don't like doing what everybody else is doing. It makes me uncomfortable. Because all I can think I everyone's going to interview this Charlotte girl. And I don't want to just be like it'll get lost in the mix. I'm like, No. So you weren't on a year ago because of the people who wrote me to ask to have you on. I know it's backwards. You're on today. I'll get a list of their names. Yeah, you will you should exact your retribution to as I've done just now with Mr. Cipolla. There's a strong possibility you're episode's going to be called Mr. Scola, by the way,

Charlotte Drury 29:36
support that through and through. In fact, I think we should trademark his name and started.

Scott Benner 29:42
Yeah, I want to make money off his ass. That's a good idea.

Charlotte Drury 29:46
So in your trauma dollars,

Scott Benner 29:48
the reason I reached out to you is because somebody tagged me in something on Instagram, and I got to watch you have a difficult moment in public. And I saw you You like every other person with diabetes and not like a bouncy girl? Or like, I don't mean to be like derivative. You know what I mean? I'm sure what you do is really cool. I do I do. But I wanted to talk to you about that. That's why I asked you on why it took me 25 minutes to get to it. There's no way to know because we took the witness a long road, we've been chatting, and I have not even asked you yet about what you think of those kids on tick tock, who bounce hundreds of feet in the air in their backyard trampolines. As I walk in and go, That kid's gonna die. That kid's gonna die. like maniacs they're gonna die, right? Yeah. Yeah, let's get away from that. Seriously, if no one's seen those videos, you have to find them. But that's not what I'm talking about. Like they literally I mean, am I wrong? Are they going 50 100 feet in the air?

Charlotte Drury 30:48
easily, easily. They're insane.

Scott Benner 30:51
And there's other spinning the entire time. Yeah, they do more

Charlotte Drury 30:55
flips and like one bounce than I do. And like for sometimes,

Scott Benner 30:59
I don't even understand how they're not dead when they just hit the trampoline. Because I

Charlotte Drury 31:04
also agree with that. I genuinely am baffled by those kids. They are maniacs. I think they were born with rubber bones. I and like, God bless them the day their prefrontal cortex fully develops, and they realize what they've been doing for the last 15 years has been insane.

Scott Benner 31:20
I blame the drugs, Charlotte, I don't know. I don't know how you would do. I mean, I'm being honest. Okay, so can you tell me a little bit about like, I think you did. I'm not the social media maven that maybe I should be. But I feel like you were just asking questions of people and having conversations through Instagram. But what led you to that that moment?

Charlotte Drury 31:46
Yeah, I think. So I actually did talk about this a lot with some people that are really close in my life, and then with a bunch of people on social media have. I've been diagnosed for a year now. And in my head, that kind of feels like a long time. But with diabetes, you know, you're looking at the rest of your life. The year is such a, it's a fraction of the rest of your life. And it was really hitting me that I was having all of these like identity changes of oh my god, I've always classified myself as a healthy person. Am I a healthy person? Am I an able bodied person? Am I capable person? Am I an independent person, all these things that I valued. And for like a solid week, I just slowly started having this unraveling this like slow brewing meltdown. And then one night, it was like, maybe 10 o'clock at night, and I'm in bed, and I'm just like sobbing, and having this meltdown. And it all being diabetes related and diabetes focused, and not knowing who to talk to you about it. And then I was like, well, there's actually like, 1000s of people that I can talk to about it right now. And selfishly, I really need support. So I posted it on my story. And I was just asking for support. I said I was struggling, what helps you when you guys are struggling, and it was just a q&a. And I got 1000s of messages in reply that were so kind and thoughtful and helpful. And I felt seen, I felt validated. I had new ways of thinking and people were shifting my perspective. And because they were so insightful, and a couple of people in those questions had asked if I could also share them because they were also struggling. So I was like, what a great opportunity to now share these answers with everybody else that's also here in this community. And so I did and it was like a really cathartic experience. It took me a good 24 hours to be able to go through and read all the questions without just crying the whole time. Because again, I was really fragile in the moment. And they were really helpful. They were hitting the nerves that were raw. And it was nice, and I was everybody always talks about, you know, you need your community and you need the diabetes community to kind of prop you up when you're feeling a little weak or a little shaky. And they were right. I mean, I felt really not better. I felt better, not fixed. Obviously not completely through that like slump, I'm still definitely in it, but a lot better. And I think after that day, I started to kind of get out of that burnout, depressive, not depression, because it's not depression right now. But the depressive slip like slope.

Scott Benner 34:30
So I mean, it caught my attention because I mean, surely I don't have diabetes. I should knock on wood because I'm probably gonna die. I mean, it's gonna be iron. It's gonna have to follow me at some point, right? I'm gonna have to climb on here one day be like, okay, it happened. But for the moment I don't. I make this podcast because my daughter is who's 18 In a couple of weeks, has had it since she was two. I started writing a blog before blogs were a thing. It helped people and I liked that it help people. At some point, I recognize that it was all raw nerve blogging, I was just like something would happen. And I would write about it, and people would come in and go, that happens to me too. And then it would make them feel better that it happens to someone else. I saw the value in it. But there was just one day where I thought, like, my conscious thought was, it's nice to know you're not alone at 2am, right? Even though you're alone in your home, even though you're alone in your home, somewhere, countless people are up going, Oh, my blood sugar's low, and they're drinking a juice or they're worried or they're eating their kitchen or whatever, there's comfort in that. And I started thinking, it's not enough to just offer comfort, like, what if we could stop them from being low at 2am? Like, how would that be? And so I started to focus the blog more about that. It's how it kind of ended up translating into the podcast. But as much as I could see the value in it through the blog, the podcast is by magnitudes, much bigger than than the pot than the blog ever was. And now I'm actually speaking to people. And it always strikes me because in my heart, the podcast is about management. But it's, it's not really. And it's got these facets that some of them I'm less aware of, because I don't have diabetes. But when people start coming on and tell these great stories, and they're sharing their lives, and at some point, I kind of ham fisted ly go. So how does the podcast help you? Because you know, I need my moment. You understand? Yeah, I mean, after you land on the trampoline, you stand there for a second because you're like, Yeah, someone ought to clap right now. And but anyway, but seriously, I try to what I really am trying to do is connect their stories to how the podcast helped them. So hopefully, it'll help somebody else. But, but the Joking aside, so many people say that it's the community aspect of the podcast, that's the most valuable part for them coming on every day and listening to someone else tell a story about their life. And I always knew it was important. I never could connect it completely. And so you had this opportunity. I assume your Instagram following grew mightily when you got to type one. Yeah, truly, now there's crazy community around type one diabetes that almost doesn't exist and other disease states. And so do you think? Do you think you'd still be in that space? If you didn't have those people to talk to?

Charlotte Drury 37:26
That's a really good question. Um, no. However, that's only because I have been through a lot in my life in sport, and with this diagnosis, and I have been forced to figure things out on my own before. And I am confident in my ability to figure things out and to get through things. However, did I arrive there a lot quicker and a lot more comforted and comfortable, because of the community. Absolutely. But I thoroughly believe that every single one of us as individuals, because we have to, can figure it out. However, we don't have to do it alone. We don't have to. And the fact that we have community makes it so much easier. And because all those people reached out and shared their their tidbits of information and what they've learned when they've been in these tough spots, probably by themselves as well. It just made it that much easier. They just showed me the way out.

Scott Benner 38:35
My Week is lining up so strangely. So you're 26. Last night, I interviewed a 26 year old girl who talked about how she had a very has an had a very tough life, and was not raised to find her way out of it. And she's doing it anyway. Right? She's finding these tools. And she's not just she's not just saying this is hard. Somebody helped me. She's figuring out how to help herself. And then she's dragging herself forward. And then looking ahead and figuring out the next thing and dragging yourself forward again. And I just had Sorry, I was just having this conversation like 16 hours ago with her about this thing. And then you said the same thing in a completely different way. Like we all have the capacity somehow and I think I'm looping in her story, which will come out much later than your so people won't have a lot of context. So I don't know what you want from me, but I just want to just hold it to you now. So it because it would be easy to look at you and go Oh, sure. The Olympic girl can do it. But I'm not that. Like I I think that sometimes like there's no reason I don't have a ton of famous people, as many as I could. Athletes, as many as I could, because they look like Superman sometimes. And you're like Oh yeah, sure. Superman dedic Great, what am I gonna do, you don't even like I can't jump up in the air. So like and, and at the same time, I think there's an amazing value in hearing that you a person who knows how to work really hard for something over extended amounts of time, which is a real skill. And a person who doesn't have nearly any of your conveniences, like, like coming up, how you both came to the same conclusion, you're gonna you're gonna get there differently with different ideas. But, I mean, it's just a very human idea. Like, we all can do something you don't I mean, and then wait and see what happens next, there's more, and there's more, and you could just kind of keep going. It's, you know, I mean, I don't know, I don't think of life as like a work to get to a party, I think of it is. Do my best today. So I'm gonna do my best tomorrow, you know, kind of thing? Yeah. Can you talk a little bit about what some of those people said that you found helpful in the moment?

Charlotte Drury 40:57
A lot of it that has stuck with me, especially even today of like, reframing how you think about what you're grateful for. Because everybody's always like, oh, make your gratitude list, you know, list five things that you're grateful for. And it's like, well, yeah, I'm grateful for five things, but I'm also really ungrateful for a lot of other things.

Scott Benner 41:18
My Netflix, being free is not overpowering the diabetes thing.

Charlotte Drury 41:24
Spring is not fixing the fact that my pancreas is broken, right? But it was reframe what it is you're grateful for. So you can hate this disease, but you can be grateful for life. Okay, I can do that. I am grateful for like, I am grateful for living, and I hate this disease. Another person wrote, whenever I start to really resent my broken pancreas, I start making a list out loud. And I list all the body parts that are working, and are doing their jobs, and that allow me to live my life. And so I also started doing that. And I say, thank you skin from for protecting me from the sun today. Thank you brain for helping me read this book today. Thank you eyes for working so well. Thank you nose for not being stuffy today. Like we should really think our noses more often for not being stuffy when they're not stuffy. And like, that was really impactful advice for me and putting gratitude in a lens that I felt like I could reach it in that moment.

Scott Benner 42:26
Can I ask you before you move on before you move on? Yeah, I don't want you to lose your place. But did you grow up in such a way where things worked out for you? No, no, the things work? Can you take take training out of it for a second? Did things just work out? Like the sofa was clean? The house was nice. Like that kind of stuff? Yeah. Right. Yeah. Expect and then you grew up. I know, this sounds crazy. I am really old when I say this. But the internet and cell phones change people's expectations of getting what they want when they want it. Like that idea. Like I think the example I used the other day talking to somebody is when you watch a TV show and you like I don't know who that is in the background. You just pause it, you look it up and like, oh, it's Joe Montana. Joe Montana is a character actor. And you and you know all about Joe Montana, his life at that point. Yeah, that happened to me when I was 26. I'd have to go to work and be like, Hey, have any of you ever seen this TV show? No. It's on Tuesdays at eight. If you could watch it, I just want to know who they like, there's no, like, I'm used to not getting the answers to my questions. And I grew up incredibly broke. I was used to things not going well. And I do wonder sometimes how that how that informs how I feel and what I do next, when things go wrong, because I almost expect things to go wrong. You know, and so when I do, I'm like, Okay, well, now we'll take care of this, you know, and anyway, but you also see you have this duality, where you grew up reasonably well. And at the same time, put yourself into something incredibly difficult. That was probably constantly knocking you down. Yes, yeah. Okay, so these both at the

Charlotte Drury 44:03
end of the day, I did have, you know, a safe, clean, happy home to always return to, right. Granted, I was there at night and sleeping, the majority of my day was in the gym, and the majority of my identities in the gym, but I always had a soft place to land. Right? So there's, there's that and that has definitely been formative to me in kind of giving me that like, underlying assumption that I'm always going to be okay. I will always figure it out. But I'm not scared that you know, I'm going to be on the streets or I'm not scared that my family is not going to be there for me one day, you know, like, I have that sense of strength and stability in my life that I'm so grateful for. But when it comes to sport, like oh my God, not a single thing, everyone right and this has been a therapy topic.

Scott Benner 45:00
Hey, you know, you just named your autobiography. Unless it's unless it's a like a colloquialism that people use that I've never heard before you just named your autobiography,

Charlotte Drury 45:09
a soft land, a soft place to land,

Scott Benner 45:13
see how it works? plane and then life? And I mean, I'm just saying it's a metaphor. It's all right. Honestly, yeah, I'm not even. I'm not even taking that for the title. Because that's for you. Although I would like to thank you at the end of the book, that's all

Charlotte Drury 45:29
you can be in the dedication.

Scott Benner 45:30
Yeah, that would be nice. Tell me about that, about putting yourself in terribly difficult situations on purpose. And then those situations torturing you. And you could just look at them and go, Hey, you know what, I'm not doing this anymore. But instead, you show back up every day and let it punch in the face again, what what's, what's wrong with you? Let's talk about what's wrong inside of your brain that you would put yourself through?

Charlotte Drury 45:56
I don't really have a good answer for that. Because I'm also like, Why did I do that? When I looked in the mirror in the morning, I was like, I am miserable. I hate this. This is horrible. Let's go to it. I think I think it was so ingrained in my identity of this is who I am. I am somebody who shows up. I am somebody who does the sport. I am somebody who does hard things. I said I was going to do this, and I'm going to see it through. Because I am somebody that sees things through. However, I have recently learned the value of quitting. And I have taken away the negative connotation that quitting has. And I think everybody should quit something in their life. And it's only just started to kind of unravel a little bit so that I can live a little bit of a softer, kinder, not so intense life. Yeah, I don't know. If you have an answer for me of where that came from, that would probably save you $1,000 in therapy. Well,

Scott Benner 46:57
listen, I don't know your parents, but that's where I would start and the let's skip past them for a minute. Are you incredibly competitive? I was yeah, I totally was more with yourself, or with the thing you were doing? Did you care more about the score? Or about doing it? Right?

Charlotte Drury 47:14
Doing it? Right? Yeah, my son. The thing is, is if I didn't write the score was good.

Scott Benner 47:18
So my son can leave a game that they lose nine to nothing, and have three good at bats and make a catch. And he'll be like I was I did perfect today. Like, you know, and he's more competitive with himself than he is. I think there's a world where my son could lose every baseball game he's ever been in, and still be somewhat fulfilled by it, although it would become a drudgery at some point. Right. But I'm always interested in that if people are like they do they want to win, or do they want to be good?

Charlotte Drury 47:49
Yeah, so I. So I think it's only slightly different because this is an individual sport, and the success or failure hinges solely on me and what I do

Scott Benner 48:02
same thing, so

Charlotte Drury 48:04
yeah, if I. Yeah. Yeah. So there's been times where I would have you know, won a competition but been a little bit disappointed that one thing didn't go right. And I would get hung up on that one thing. So I do think that it's definitely me being my biggest competitor.

Scott Benner 48:25
Are you a completionist? In other places? Do you start? Yeah. Do you start a movie that you don't like and watch the rest of it anyway?

Charlotte Drury 48:33
Do you know I don't like movies. That's a weird fact about me.

Scott Benner 48:36
That's okay. Pick something different puzzle book.

Charlotte Drury 48:40
Yes, I'll finish a book I don't like okay.

Scott Benner 48:43
All right. Well, here's the tough question. How old were you when you realize you didn't like is it tumbling? I'm sorry. This is the this is the thing. Everyone's gonna like the people who listen are not going to be surprised by this. But I told you right when we started, I'm gonna say something to you. You might find shocking. I don't know what sport you do.

Charlotte Drury 49:00
That's fair. I think that's refreshing. Also, it's trampling nobody knows what sport I'm doing.

Scott Benner 49:06
I figured it out as you were talking, but the first time you said it, I went Oh, okay. Cool. So we call trampoline trampoline. It's not trampolining.

Charlotte Drury 49:16
Correct. Correct. Trampoline is both a noun and a verb.

Scott Benner 49:19
Okay. And so let me ask you then How old were you the first time you realize you were better at it than other people your age?

Charlotte Drury 49:28
I'm on it. Honestly, like it took a really long time. I so I did artistic gymnastics from three till 13 Quit artistic gymnastics nursery thinks they're so burned out and realized that I wasn't gonna go to the Olympics for it. And I was like, that's not worth it. If I'm going to be working out five to eight hours a day to not go to the Olympics, that doesn't sound Sure. So quit that and then started trampling for fun, like, solely because they needed something to do I always think I carried that kind of like chip on my shoulder from artistic gymnastics of I'm not actually that good. I'm just kind of doing it. I'm not the best. I've never been the best. And so even when I was like, winning senior league nationals, and I was like, Oh, well, I'm just not, I'm not the best. Like, I am not the best. Maybe I won this competition, but I am not the best. So it took me like a really long time to even knowledge, the fact that I was really good at the sport.

Scott Benner 50:30
That's what keeps you going. That's why people who are good at things are good at them, though. Because they don't they don't sit back and rest. They don't they don't say, Oh, look how good I am. This is as good as I need to be at this is always something else. And something more and a fine tune here. Or you get to somewhere where it feels like a pinnacle. And you go, it's Pentacles not high enough. I'm going to tear this down. I'm going to tear it down and rebuild it again and start over and better the next time. I've watched my son tried to hit a baseball since he was three years old. I know what you're talking about. So it's exhausting. Yeah. And it's actually funny, because right now he's talking about going to grad school to keep playing. And I'm trying to find the words to say, Are you sure you want to do that? Before before? And I don't want to dissuade him if he really does want to do it, but and I but I it's a weird position to be in, right? Because I don't want to be the person that steps in and says, Hey, Charlotte, stop bouncing up and down on that thing. You got other things you could write, right? Because then you might stop and three years from now by like, this guy knew. Yeah, yeah, me stop doing this. And so I don't want to do that to my son. And at the same time, I don't want him to wake up five years from now and be in your position where you're like, Why the hell was I doing that for so long? You know, and especially when the when the payoff at the end? Is so unlikely to begin with. And but you were on it, like you were you were you really weren't right, you were headed to it? Is that right? Yeah. Do you think? So? Tell me that. So let's go back for a second you get diabetes? How far off are the Olympics at that moment?

Charlotte Drury 52:07
timewise. They're three months away three months

Scott Benner 52:09
away? Have you qualified? Are you trying to qualify?

Charlotte Drury 52:13
We still had all of the qualifiers to go through. So we had country qualification. So we still needed to compete at a World Cup to get the US spot. There were still that uncertainty. And then I still had three Olympic trials to compete at.

Scott Benner 52:27
Do you have any confidence that it would have gone your way?

Charlotte Drury 52:31
Had I not had diabetes? Yeah. Yes.

Scott Benner 52:34
Yeah, absolutely. Thank you, it would have worked out.

Charlotte Drury 52:37
Totally. And I mean, I do have like, you know, the evidence to support that as well. Because in 2020, before pandemic, and that season started in end of January, I think it was in February competed a World Cup. And I competed at a at the first Olympic trial of 2020. And knock those both out of the water, like I was in fighting for him. And I felt really good. And I for as tumultuous as my entire elite career has been, that was the first time where I was kind of having that thought, again, in a very long time of, I think this might work out, I think I can do this, it, it's right there. And I really didn't believe that I was going to get to that point again. Because also, my God, there's so much I mean, this Olympic cycle was really hard. The last Olympic cycle was worse. It was It destroyed me as a human being, I mean, just wrecked me, I was training for the 2016 Olympics. And I ended up breaking my foot the day before the last Olympic trial. So I had made it all the way up until that point training from three years old, to I was 20. And I survived a lifetime of training, just to literally break my foot the day before I was going to reach my goal. And I also kind of came in with a younger mentality, you know, I was 20 years old. And all I knew was this. So losing that, you know, my life is over. Not only is that I just lose the Olympics, I definitely lost my entire identity. So coming into this Olympics and getting diabetes, and seeing that decline and thinking that my grasp on the Olympics is going to be loosening and slowing down and I guess I'm losing it again. I wasn't as distraught by it, because I came in with a lot of a different mentality than I did in 2016. Because I saw how bad that destroyed me not making it and I wasn't really gonna let myself get back to that point.

Scott Benner 54:44
Have you made Have you met Kate Hall yet? No. Do you know who she is? No. Okay. So Kate is a long jumper. Who has type one? Who if I'm not mistake and blew up something in her leg right before the Olympics last time.

Charlotte Drury 55:05
The club no one wants to be in. Yeah.

Scott Benner 55:07
Kate Hall 2043 on Instagram. Okay, you guys might look her up, you might have a lot in common.

Unknown Speaker 55:15
That'd be the most depressing dinner party.

Scott Benner 55:18
Hey, Kate. Remember when the sadness washed over you? I do Charlotte. I remember the sadness. Should we get wine? Probably. How do you Bolus for wine? I don't know. If I want to jump off a bridge? Sure. So

Charlotte Drury 55:35
it'd be a soft place to land? Probably.

Scott Benner 55:40
Maybe, right. I mean, you you're, you probably there's probably a trampoline. Do you still? Do you work out at this point? Like just for personal fitness? Or how do you? How do you go backwards that far.

Charlotte Drury 55:55
It's only recently that I've started to even incorporate like physical activity into my life again. I definitely after I mean after 2016 as well. And after this past games, do that, like full pendulum rebound of working out all day long to absolutely doing nothing. And refusing to step in a gym and I don't think I'll ever stepped foot in a gym. Gym, not a gymnastics gym. I would love to go back and play around on a trampoline because I do love trampoline. I love bouncing. But will I go lift weights again? Probably not. But I do like to like, go out for walks. Maybe I'll jog for a little bit of it. Maybe I'll rent a little bit. Love bike riding. I love the like, lifestyle. Fitness, like the ways that I can incorporate activity and movement into just my life. Instead of having to carve out hours of my day to work out.

Scott Benner 56:54
If you haven't felt like this. Don't let me lead you there. But do you ever feel like a pawn in someone else's game? Like your college? Right? And I'm assuming they probably paid for a lot of it because you were you know, an athlete for them? Do you ever stop and look back and think nobody cares about my education? I'm just here because I can do trampoline. And because they can take pictures of me and put it on their social media and bring other kids in and go look bouncy girl, she's gonna go to the Olympics. Don't you want to get an English degree from us? Like like that? Does that? Does that? Did that happen? Did you think about that?

Charlotte Drury 57:28
I, I felt like that in a slightly different way. Because I did go to college. But it had nothing to do with trampoline, there was no trampoline program in college. So I was going to school and doing trampoline for the national team completely as two separate things. So, you know, college was something that I chose to do outside of sport. But I did I do feel like a pawn or I really felt like a soldier for gymnastics, where I was doing the hardest job in the organization. But was told that I was replaceable and told that I wasn't important and that it's not about me. It's about what I can do. And and yeah, it feels I do remember having that like specific lightbulb moment. I could tell you exactly where I was standing when I was like, hang on. This is really backwards. This is really wrong. Like did you ever watch the good place? Yeah,

Scott Benner 58:25
I love that show.

Charlotte Drury 58:25
You know, when that moment where she's like, Oh my god, this is the bad place? Yeah, like I've had that moment of like, oh my god, this isn't right. This is not how human beings should be treated. Athletes should be treated. This is not how I want to be valued. This is not how I want my life to be built. I don't like feeling like this. I don't like feeling like I'm replaceable and not poor. And yeah, only as good as what my score is tell me I am.

Scott Benner 58:54
It's like somebody takes the the culmination of your life's work and a major part of your identity. And they've built another thing that's based on you doing that. And you realize that in this moment, while you're competing, you have all of these desires and focuses and the person maybe even coaching you doesn't really care about you. They care about coaching, something that wins with the person that pays them is happy and they keep their job and it's almost it becomes not about the sport anymore. It becomes about everybody sustaining each other's entity. And I've just I've had those feelings. I've looked over at some of my son's coaches, and I thought he does not even know my kid. He just knows he catches that ball. I keep this job. That's that's how it feels sometimes.

Charlotte Drury 59:45
Yeah, and I think at a certain level, it's totally like that. intrinsics of course, but the reason I was able to survive 2021 was because my coach cared about me as a person. 40 cared about me as an athlete. That's excellent. He absolutely was my number one supporter of me as Charlotte as the person. That second I told him that I got this diagnosis. He didn't ask me about coming to the gym. He didn't ask me when I was coming back what my plan was what I wanted to do. He said, Take all the time you need, I'm here to meet me. Like, that's good. He's my number one.

Scott Benner 1:00:25
And also, I'm going to be honest with you, I had an ulterior motive for asking the question, I wasn't sure where you're gonna come back, because I've had this other thought that I've wondered about, and you seem just honest enough to answer this question. So let's see it feel like when suddenly a bunch of diabetes media outlets approach you, because you're one person that got diabetes today, but you look like you're going to the Olympics. And now suddenly, you're in the middle of, um, you described it earlier, right? You're completely confused. You don't know what's going on. Your health is all over the place. You're worried about your life, everything seems like it's gone. And then someone's like, Hey, I just got the funniest text. I'm gonna tell you about a second. I did some. And they're like, Hey, we know who you are. You're wearing something that says USA on the front of it, and you got diabetes, we want to interview you. Now. You're just upon again, right? But now for a different situation. But you You did it. So like, I'm not taking it, I would have done it too. I'm just asking, like, are you aware while it's happening? Or no.

Charlotte Drury 1:01:28
I think looking back, I have a lot more clarity. Now that the dust has settled on this last year. Because again, everything happened so fast. And there is one thing that not bothers me, but something that that I am really aware of. And it's I don't know how to really put this in words, it's like, I guess I feel like an imposter. I feel like I'm not really the person. That should be, you know, the diabetes poster child for diabetics, sport. Like, I did have diabetes for the year, before leading into the games. And I was diagnosed three months before the games. But I didn't know what I was doing. Like, I was just trying to survive. I was relying on all of the training that I had my whole life. Just to get through these three months, and doing these interviews now and having this attention and being in people being so excited, and being so inspired by it. And I was done propelled forward by that support. But I also like, God, the people that are diagnosed at two years old, the people that are diagnosed at 6789 10. Like, you guys are truly something else. You guys are truly like, I don't think I could have done that. Like

Scott Benner 1:02:49
somebody in those people. Right? Yeah. So

Charlotte Drury 1:02:52
So earlier, I'm a platform because they're the real superstars of this. Yeah.

Scott Benner 1:02:56
So earlier, I joked, I was half joking and half not joking about not reaching out to you at first, because people told me that I don't like to be told what to do, which is my own problem, right. But the other part of it that I didn't mention was, I don't like it when that happens for you. I don't know you, I have no reason to feel protective of you. But when people were like, ask this girl, I was like, Can she just leave this girl alone? Like, she just got diabetes, like her whole life looks like it's falling apart, and you're making her like, stand up and smile and go, I have type one, and I'm okay. And I'm like, I mean, I know it's inspirational for people. But you could be just as inspirational a year later. It doesn't need to be right now. So there's something about that click Beatty nature of content. And I don't buy into it. Like if you go back and look at the I mean, this podcast might have almost 700 episodes at this point. Wow. And the way you finish things I'd like for you to start at the beginning because I feel like I could get 700 Good downloads out of you, but but she's like, I'm not giving up now. He was terrible in season three. No, I wasn't. But, but I like just talking to regular people. They don't hide things. They're not practiced. They don't think oh, I can't say that. or I shouldn't say this. They just tell their story. And and I think just what you think put them out front, I mean, some of the biggest names in this space. Some of these people I really like. And I know a number of them. I don't want them on the podcast. They're just gonna say the same thing. They say all the time when somebody asks them a question. Again, it's not their fault. They're their dogs almost like

Charlotte Drury 1:04:33
they're just like, they're so scared of saying something that will alienate anybody. And I get it. I have been there. I mean, I've been Yeah, like, you know, the Little Miss Perfect gymnast, like doing interviews and saying great things about everybody all the time. Like it's only like recently that I really wanted to be a lot more honest because that's what connects with people and selfishly That's how people connect with me. And I need that connection.

Scott Benner 1:05:03
Everyone needs a trial it it's the it's the obvious elephant in the room that everyone ignores. They would rather say, Hey, today we're going to interview this person whose name you might have heard who also has diabetes, instead of saying, I don't know, I could pull up a list of 1000 names, right? Instead of saying, Look, this is an and had some kids, one of them got sick. Here's what happened. You know what I mean? And that's because we're all in. And we're all Charlotte. We're not all Olympians. And I listen, I've come out and say it. I've had people on the show before who were famous. And I tried to ask them about their diabetes. They don't know the first thing about, like, you know, and you're just and then people listen to the show. And they're like, Hey, I've been waiting for so long for this person. And they came on, and they were not valuable. And I'm like, yeah. Welcome to the life of someone who has a trainer, you know what I mean? Or who's somebody who's a meal ticket for somebody and no one's gonna let their blood sugar get out of control? Because they know how to catch a ball or do a thing. Make money for other people? Yeah,

Charlotte Drury 1:06:08
it's just a different life. And that might be really relatable for a very small demographic of people who are also in that in that circle. You know, the majority, it's probably

Scott Benner 1:06:18
not, you know, I once had on Mark Andrews Mom, he's the tight end for the the Baltimore Ravens, it'd be so much for telling me that it would be. It would be cool if he was on, but it's way cooler to talk to his mom. Like she raised them with diabetes, you know, like, it's just I'm not saying he wouldn't. I mean, maybe I don't know the guy probably come on here be terrific. And shut me right up. But but you know, like, it's, I just want to talk smack about it. He's like, I heard you thought I wasn't gonna be interesting. Let's learn, I'm gonna be interesting. So by the way, if Mark Andrews hears this, of course, you can come on. That's not the point. The point is that is that real people's stories, not that Mark Andrews isn't a real person or that you're not a real person. It's just that you're not that real people aren't practiced. And they're not worried about saying something. And as you and I were talking, I started feeling like this person, you, you're in the middle of a metamorphosis right now, like you are really shifting, you know what I mean? And feels like you want to be whoever you think you're supposed to be. And not the person you spent a lot of time being. Am I right about that?

Charlotte Drury 1:07:27
I think if you'd asked me six months ago, I'd be like, yeah, absolutely. That's exactly what is happening. I'd also probably be crying. If you actually recognize,

Scott Benner 1:07:35
if you want to cry, Charlotte, that'd be terrific. It really helps the podcast.

Charlotte Drury 1:07:39
ratings go sky.

Scott Benner 1:07:41
Love it when you're crying. No, I'm just kidding.

Charlotte Drury 1:07:44
But no, I do agree. I think I think I have gone through a lot in the last year. I feel like I've got a lot gone through a lot in the last eight years, I am only recently finding peace and what I've been through. And I really feel like the common theme that has now woven through the last couple of months is peace is that I found that I can be where my feet are, and that I can be happy with that. And that I don't have to pretend that I'm doing okay. And I don't have to pretend that everything's great and easy and wonderful, because that's the story that everybody wants to hear. Yeah, like I get to be a little bit more honest. And this is this community is very receiving I don't really feel like I have to perform on social media whatsoever I do. Fully just like to be me on it. It's not a friend or anything like that. But my therapist also said something. She was like you're we're are kind of caught between paradoxes right now, like your whole life is a little bit of a paradox because you are simultaneously so grateful to be out of sport. But I also really want to be back in it. Like there's a part of me that craves to be there again. And I'm, how is that possible? And I'm also simultaneously the happiest that I've ever been, but struggling with this really big thing. And so it's really confusing. I'm confused all the time.

Scott Benner 1:09:09
I'm always worried about performers. And if you're an art if you're a sports person, or an artist or something, you're a performer, like I have to some degree with this, like, what happens when your thing goes away? Where do you get your jolt? Where do you get your Jolt from? The the name that I always fall on recently is a former New York met and Philadelphia Philly Lenny Dykstra who slife just complete like prison drugs like tech something like I mean, a lot, a lot of you like, and I always looked at him and I felt bad, because I was like, That guy is just looking for that jolt that he felt when he hit that baseball or when he ran a ball down in a corner and 60,000 people scream like where do you get that from every day? You know what I mean? Like, yeah, so you've got this unnatural level of feedback, and then suddenly it's gone and listen I mean, I talked to a lot of people, I don't know one of them, really. But I can tell you that a lot of people are going to hear the conversation you and I are having. And if you suddenly told me, I didn't have an outlet for my thoughts anymore, I don't know that I wouldn't feel like you feel right now. You know, like, because this is a thing I do that I enjoy. And if you just took it from me right away, it would be hard to transfer to I think the transition? I really do. Absolutely, yeah. So I mean,

Charlotte Drury 1:10:29
as much as it is, as we all want to be human beings, no matter what, we are going to be a little bit of human doings. Like, who what we do, greatly influences who we are, that is inescapable, there's no way to get around that. But I have recently found a balance, and I don't want to be like preaching this. But the balance of finding things that you can do that are consistent, that won't be taken away from me. So the things that truly make me happy, it's really traveling, it's been in nature, it's connecting with people, those are things that I'm always going to be able to do. And whether or not it's, you know, trampoline and the success and the daily wins, or the daily losses that I get from that, that drives me forward. Like that. That always translatable to something else. But kind of, I guess I've stacked my identity with so many things now. But if you take any one thing out, towers not gonna fall.

Scott Benner 1:11:28
That's excellent. I am, I'm older than you by a lot. And recently, my wife and I are just trying to make sure that you know, our retirement looks like it's coming together. And the person who's helping us with that said, Well, what do you want to do when you retire? And I joked my way through it, and then later told my wife and told him, he's a friend. I said, that's the worst thing anybody's asked me in two years. I said, because I just see myself as a tool. I see myself in a couple of ways. I see myself as a tool that makes money. So the people I love are okay. And I see myself as a tool who makes diabetes content, so people with diabetes can be happier and healthier. If you take those things from me and told me I'm retired, I honestly don't know what would make me happy. And yeah, and I'm really lucky because the feeling of calm, that you're doing something valuable. I get out of this podcast, like the idea that I pay a bill, help people and enjoy what I'm doing, I think is magical. Like, I don't know how I got that lucky. And I also think while you're talking, how crazy is it that most people just want a little bit of that jolt and can't find it day to day? And then the people who get it get an unnatural amount of it. Right? Yeah, you've got a middle ground. Yeah, like why couldn't like why can't Lenny Dykstra or you share your pie with 100 other people so that people aren't driving home 1000 miles an hour screaming at each other out windows and yelling at people online, just trying to find some excitement, you know what I mean, like somewhere, and meanwhile, you've got more than anybody needs in the whole world. It's just

Charlotte Drury 1:13:08
I think it's funny that also that, that's kind of the perception that people have of me. I might just be because trampling is a very obscure sport that doesn't have like this massive fan base. It's not like it's basketball, or even artistic gymnastics. Like, I really don't feel like I've ever had this much attention, or, like, you know, a stadium of people clapping for me,

Scott Benner 1:13:35
like, coming from your parents. Were they proud of you? Did you not want to let them down any of that stuff?

Charlotte Drury 1:13:45
To be honest, I really think that my head was down. And I was working so hard that I wasn't really looking. I mean, obviously, their approval and their support meant so much to me, and I'll probably unpack that in the next couple of years. Of like, how much that meant to me. But I think it was important that I was proving to myself that I was good enough. And I think that's truly what my driver was, because if we're really gonna get into it, I myself, my biggest thing is that I've never been good enough. And that's really what's driven me forward through a lot of things is, oh, I will be good enough when I reach this goal, or I will be good enough when I do this, or worthy, like whatever word you want to put in there that connects with you. It's it's, it's always that sense of incompleteness. And I just don't know that I ever received that from sport, even making an Olympic team. I don't feel any more complete than I did before making the team and I don't feel any less complete, but I feel like exactly the same person. And the things that truly fill me up. Have nothing to do with sport anymore.

Scott Benner 1:14:51
Are you having any trouble with those feelings? And then are you applying them to diabetes like are you feeling competitive about or health in an unhealthy way or anything like that.

Charlotte Drury 1:15:03
I definitely was, especially while I was still training, it was, I'm going to be the perfect diabetic, I'm going to be the best diabetic you've ever seen. Because I have three months to figure this out. And I need to was my excuse. But the truth was, I was just terrified. And I was I was just scared, I just wanted to be perfect with that management. And that's also something that's kind of unraveled in the last couple of months, and kind of led to that meltdown a couple of weeks ago, of, I can't be perfect, I'm too tired. I'm, I'm too tired dealing with this every single moment of every single day. And so I took my my glucose monitor off, and I just kind of said, Screw it, like, let's just relax for a week, I'm obviously going to still be safe and take care of myself to the best of my intuitive ability. But I can't I can't do this constant perfectionist mentality of everything needs to be perfect.

Scott Benner 1:15:55
Yeah, you need to find a way to put your head where Rhiness like, I want it to be good. And when it's not, I just move on. I don't I don't, I used to torture myself when my daughter's blood sugar got out of hand. Like I really would torture myself about it. And I just mean, like, sit there and think like, oh, you messed this up, or blah, blah. And then one day I was like, I can't like how is this sustainable? You know, like, I have to stop doing this. I thought a little bit about when my son was little. Before he went to play baseball, I would hug him because I'd been a stay at home dad for a really long time. So I'd hug him, I tell him, I love you. None of this matters. Go have fun. And then send them out. And as he got older, that changed into I love you. You're only playing baseball to get better at baseball, today's outcome is not important. Go have fun. And there was one time he was recruiting for college. And we were in a car and we were about to get out of it. I looked at him. I said, Hey, man, it actually really matters today. Like go out there. Like it really matters because I think this is this is where decisions get made today, you know? And he was like, Okay, I said, still have fun. But go for it, you know, just really go for it. And he did. And I do think today he is he is still who he is. And it applies to sport the way it does, it also applies to other things in his life. But he's not completely connected to it. And I want to hope that that is in some way from me saying this doesn't matter. grand scheme of things. You're not You're not a baseball player your call like go, you know, and? And I don't know, like, because you're gonna have to disconnect from all of that. I mean, you're wired a certain way, obviously, it is not going to be good. If you apply that to diabetes management over a lifetime, you're gonna be bad for you, right? I mean, that's the kind of thinking that leads to, I mean, eating disorders and, and all kinds of stuff, which I'm not saying you're here, I'm just saying that's not a path you want to go down, obviously.

Charlotte Drury 1:18:02
Oh, for sure. And just to kind of like, touch again on what you were saying to call of like, when that moment came of after, you know, his lifetime of training. And you said this moment does matter. And he didn't choke in that moment. And he was able to perform, and he was able to do it. Because he had a lifetime of preparation that said, I am Cole I am not baseball. And he just was able to go and have fun in the sport for a lifetime up to it. That's why he could perform in that moment. You know, when the pressure was on, he could draw on all of that experience. But if you put that pressure on a kid who's nine years old, and you said you need to win this game, or you need to win this meet, it's gonna freak out.

Scott Benner 1:18:47
I don't understand why people believe that that's the way to talk to anybody, let alone children. But like now do it now we're all gonna die. Well, you know, right there. I think we're in trouble. Because right, yeah, you're panicking the hell out of me. I think

Charlotte Drury 1:18:59
I think I remember getting told before an Olympic qualifier. And I think it was like, in good heart. But it was what you because it was just me competing at this meeting. If I didn't do well, at this beat, there was no spot for the United States and the Olympic Games. And it was like you need to perform so that everybody else for the rest of their life can say that they competed in US Olympic trials.

Scott Benner 1:19:30
Okay, I'm in charge everybody. Great. So just everybody's happiness, though. Is that all I'm in charge of right now. Yeah,

Charlotte Drury 1:19:39
exactly. I'm in charge of everybody's rest of life.

Scott Benner 1:19:42
Great. How old were you then by the way?

Charlotte Drury 1:19:45
I was 19. Yeah, it's

Scott Benner 1:19:46
perfect timing. That's a great time to be put in charge of everybody's life. You're really your finger on the pulse at that point. No, I fit but see, I think of everything that way. I mentioned recently on the podcast. If you liked the way that I talked about diabetes and it helps you it's really just the way I think about life translated to diabetes, you know, and, and I agree so much with what you just said, like when people the way it the way I think of it now is when people always say to me is my daughter's growing up? Will sure you're good at it, but how are you going to explain it to her. And I would always say, I'm not going to just explain it to her, she's going to live it. And through me, I'm going to shoulder most of it, she's going to see it happen. And she'll take from it what she needs. And one day, she's just going to know. And to your point, one day, my son's just gonna be able to walk out in front of I mean, I'm telling you 300 college coaches on a field the size of like, it was, like, massive, and everyone's holding a clipboard and looking at you, and it's baseball. So it's one at a time, your turn now, go catch the ball, you better do it better than the other kid, don't mess up Don't trip, when you get the ball in your hand, throw it to the right place. If you look bad for half a second, you actually see people look down and write and you can see lines, or you can see writing lines or writing on clipboards. And you can't be thinking about it in that moment. And I think diabetes is the same way. I think at the moment, you're thinking about it too much. And I swear to you, this is not a sales pitch. I don't listen, you and I are never gonna see each other after this. I agree. I've had a lovely time talking to you. But you know, but if shit goes sideways for you, Charlotte, what am I going to do? You don't I mean, but I could lay a list of episodes on you that I think would make your management easier. Cool. I think it would put you where you want it to be. And I think it would in a month or so's time. You would start doing things without thinking about them. And I think that's something a lot of people drive with. But you especially because I imagine that you just land on your feet on that trampling you don't. I guess when you think about it, you're in trouble. Right? Like you need to feel it. Exactly. Yeah. I think you need to feel diabetes. That's how I that's how I do it. And a lot of people listen to the show do it. Same way. I think it would work really well for you. I think I could maybe get two pages in that autobiography one day one. Yeah, well, I get one real estate. I mean, listen, I'm gonna save your life. And then the book. I deserve a little bit of a spot. You know what I mean? Like Jesus, you get really grumpy all the sudden, it's just an extra page, Charlotte, just tell them just tell the publisher, Look, I told this guy would do this. negotiable. I'm not going to charge your money for it. I just would like to see it happen. I wrote a book Charlotte and let me tell you something, it takes a lot of time. I wish they'd do it. It's just it takes so much time. And then you have to like pump it and pump it to get people to buy it. And then they buy it. And then it's it's gone. It's like an Instagram post that gets 1000s of likes. And then a week later, you look back and it has only gotten one more in six weeks. Like why just the world still not know about my amazing Instagram post. The book did this thing. It was like on fire and then it was gone. What did

Charlotte Drury 1:23:00
you here's, here's my question for you. Did you write the book to write the book? Or did you write the book to publish the book?

Scott Benner 1:23:07
Oh, that's interesting. I wrote the book. So I was offered a blurb in someone else's book. I've never told the story. Exactly, honestly, because I think it hurts somebody's feelings.

Charlotte Drury 1:23:18
That's okay. They probably will hear it. You think

Scott Benner 1:23:21
they're lovely people. And I don't mean it this way. So. So I was asked to write a blurb. I wrote a blurb. I think there's about 1000 words. Their publisher called me one day and said, Hey, do you have any ideas for books? And I said, What? And she goes, your 1000 words are probably the best 1000 words in that book. Do you want to write a book? And I was like, Yeah, because I want to write a book because I barely graduated from high school. And I was like, seriously, me? Sure. Why not? And so we're talking and she wanted it to be about diabetes. And I said, No, no, I'm not going to do that. I said, I'm not ready to talk to people about how to manage their diabetes. And for it to be somewhere forever static. I said that I am a stay at home dad, I think I have great stories about that. I could write about that. And she's like, alright, you have a week to send me an outline. So I wrote the outline in like 10 minutes. And then I sat on it for six days to make it look like I worked really hard on it. Of course, thank you. And I sent it to them, and they're like done, we'll send you this much money now. And in six months, you send us the manuscript, and we'll send you the other half. And I was like, Cool. I remember exactly my house where I called my wife while she was at work. I was like, I'm gonna write a book, it's gonna get published. And she's like, can you write a book? I swear to God, this is my wife. So again, if she's been nice to me, like four times, can you write a book? She says, and I go, I don't know. But I'm gonna find out. Yeah, exactly. That's the worst thing that happens is like giving back the advance. And I don't read a book. I'm like, I'm going to try you know. So, I will tell you that it's cool to be published. I don't look down on people who are self published, but when I see people self publish things there There's a small part of me that goes, somebody paid me to do it, but okay, and they're absolutely. So I have a little that I am very, I'm going to be honest with you. I'm incredibly competitive. Like, I love this podcast. Oh my god, I love that people love this podcast. But I love also that it's like the most popular one.

Charlotte Drury 1:25:20
Of course, nobody wants to be average at what they do.

Scott Benner 1:25:23
It does make me feel good. A little bit like I don't run around like, like, I'm not like, Listen, you know, listen,

Charlotte Drury 1:25:32
egos, Freud can go, you guys are a good thing. egos are good. To an extent. They, if you can get your ego filled in a healthy way from a certain outlet, it allows you to not have an ego in other places. It allows you to be a humble father, when you succeed at work. It allows you to be a failure of a writer or failure of a photographer, if you can succeed at something else, because you have the cushion to try because you said well, I know I can succeed at something.

Scott Benner 1:26:09
It also helps me stay motivated. Like I record this week, as an example, I recorded this podcast five times this week. So I've had probably five, six, I've probably had seven and a half hours of conversations this week. And a lot of talking Yeah. And in that time, I'm also editing the show and putting it off and supporting it online. It's a full like it's about a 75 an hour. Yeah, probably 75 hours a week, I put out a podcast. And if it was just mundane for me. I know it would it would wane but there's part of me that likes waking up in the morning and going like forget other like diabetes podcast forget health podcast. This This show is in the 96th percentile. All podcasts on Apple. Well, that I that's cool. Yeah. If I ever get tired, I think about that. I sit right down. And I'm like, so you're depressed and you have diabetes? Let's talk. You know, like, interesting. Yeah, I can I can, I can do it. Because I also listen to all that aside. I know how much it helps people. And it's amazing. You know what I mean? Like this the best the best thing I've ever done in my life, like aside on my children in my family, like making this for people's really cool. Yeah, the scopes important? Because I'm sure other people make great content that I'm unaware of. But if no one's listening to it.

Charlotte Drury 1:27:27
Listen. Yeah, exactly. You can't be a fan of something that you've never heard of.

Scott Benner 1:27:32
Right. So someone's got to see it bouncing up and down on that trampoline. Or what's the point? You know, exactly, then it's just anyway, all right.

Charlotte Drury 1:27:41
Yeah. Well, I have a question. I got one more question. Do you know your Enneagram number? Because I feel like I know your Enneagram number.

Scott Benner 1:27:47
My what number? Your Enneagram Oh, God. Two years old Charlotte, have you not just been impressed that I've kept up with this conversation and you're 26 You want me to start knowing things that younger people understand

Charlotte Drury 1:28:02
that? Okay, here's Okay, here's your homework.

Scott Benner 1:28:04
I got the internet. Go take

Charlotte Drury 1:28:05
the Enneagram test. It's not a quick thing. You can't do it right now.

Scott Benner 1:28:09
I gotta find it or I'm never gonna remember it. i My brain is not like, it's like,

Charlotte Drury 1:28:15
okay, okay. Once you do it, we'll circle back for part two. And we're going to we're going to dive into your Enneagram

Scott Benner 1:28:22
the Enneagram Institute.

Charlotte Drury 1:28:25
You can do it. The reading you take the test in a lot of different places. It's

Scott Benner 1:28:29
called a reading test. Rizzo Hudson. Enneagram. Trudy Trudy Yeah, Jesus very specific. What are we married, right? You're doing it wrong. Go to Trudy an idiot. Understand who you really are. Oh, God, this seems very scary.

Charlotte Drury 1:28:50
You're gonna love it. It's gonna be great.

Scott Benner 1:28:51
Right? You say? Yep. I have a hunch. Good.

Charlotte Drury 1:28:56
I have a hunch I should I spill it or should I'm going to hold I don't want to influence your results

Scott Benner 1:29:02
can influence my results. There's no way I'll remember I recorded like five of these a week. I just I'm getting

Charlotte Drury 1:29:09
I'm getting strong too with a one wing

Scott Benner 1:29:12
here to with a one way I won't remember that. So I'll just write it down. Okay, write it down. We'll circle back. I had a person on Tuesday who recorded a beautiful after dark episode when they about her life struggles young mom. She has type one her son cancer at a young age terrible story is one of my favorite episodes. And I asked her to come back on and she comes on we're talking for six minutes before I go oh, I know who you are. I am the worst. I don't. I know people. It's very it's very popular to say you don't prep for your content. Right because it makes you seem like all like I honestly I'm relatable. I swear to God when you started talking. I was like gymnastics. I don't know. it'll it'll come out, you know, and I really, I don't I don't know I don't prep for this at all.

Charlotte Drury 1:30:10
That's why today was so fun. It was so refreshing.

Scott Benner 1:30:13
I'm glad best best interview you've done since you have diabetes. Yeah. Oh,

Charlotte Drury 1:30:18
all right. How about anybody else that's interviewed me though?

Scott Benner 1:30:22
No. Well, those people obviously did the best for you. They obviously did the garbage. That's no reason to be upset. That's not fun at all. Just very good at this. It's not their fault. You know what I mean? So no drugs. By the way, no one has been here. What's the pressure like for that? In doing drugs? Yeah, like for enhancing drugs in the Olympics? I never tested but I mean, people gotta get away with it. Right.

Charlotte Drury 1:30:51
I feel like in other sports, it's like, the pressures way bigger, like cycling and weightlifting, when it's like, it would make a difference. But in trampoline, it really wouldn't make a difference. Like I guess maybe you could be a little bit stronger. But

Scott Benner 1:31:04
rehab faster. Still not an issue, though.

Charlotte Drury 1:31:07
I mean, I mean, I guess it's just never crossed my mind. But I don't know what can make you flip better. Or like be better. In the air.

Scott Benner 1:31:17
You know, is the flipping all, like, muscle memory practice? And then letting go? Yeah, yeah.

Charlotte Drury 1:31:24
My best routines that I've competed, I'll finish. And I'll be like, I don't remember any of that. Was it good? I wasn't there for it.

Scott Benner 1:31:34
Yeah, my you know, it's so funny. You say that, because I'll go downstairs and my wife will be like, how was it? I'll be like, great. Good. What are you talking about? Like, I don't know. What's going on? I'm like, she's like, how do you know what's going on? Like, I don't know. I feel like it went well. And there are times I walked downstairs. I'm like, I don't know if I did very well today, or I was tired or something. Yeah. And then I'll listen back or I'll get a note. People are like, I love that episode. I'm like, oh, so it doesn't always have to be the way I want it to be it you know, other people can find it differently. Charlotte, you and I get along very well. This was delightful. This it? Oh, I say delightful all the time. That you said it and I didn't the people listening now we're gonna be like, feel stolen? No, it's Mecca. People are people are like, Oh, my God, Scott made her feel delightful without telling her that I'm telling you right now there are people just fanning themselves everywhere that like it happened. Do you want to hear about that? Do you want me to say something really tell you about the text that I said, Oh my God, I'll tell you about this. I do. I do. I do. So someone's gonna judge my daughter over this, but just let it go. My daughter and I are in the car the other day. And she's you know, she's getting ready to graduate from high school. And she's like, you know, we had such a calm year at school. She's like, there haven't been any big fights. There's no teen pregnancies. Like it's just been such a boring year. I got a text while you and I were talking. It says My wish came true. We got a teen pregnancy in school.

Charlotte Drury 1:33:01
Oh, this is like the equivalent of like reality TV in our society. Yeah,

Scott Benner 1:33:04
she like has my personality, but she's in like a smaller female person who's younger.

Charlotte Drury 1:33:09
So that's funny, though. That's funny. She should have a podcast.

Scott Benner 1:33:13
She trusts me. She was on one episode of this. And I get notes pretty much daily. Can Arden come back on the podcast? She's like, she's like, she's like, I don't care about all this, like, people I had sent questions for. And she's like, I don't I don't want to know I don't like she's like, this is your thing. I don't. Because I told her one day I was listening. I was like, the podcast is really popular. It's like you sure you don't want to come on at once in a while, maybe take it over when I get older. And she's like, No, like, Alright, fine. I felt like girl. I felt like I was a plumber. And I said to my son like, I can teach you how to better take over the family business. Yeah. And he was like, I want to go to college. I'm like, but we got trucks in the shop and everything. Who am I gonna give it to? You know? Anyway. You were really terrific. And I would say delightful. But you beat me to it. I stole it. Hey, do you know 1234567 It looks like you and I said seven. Well now eight times. But that's okay. I have a clean shows I just edited out they'll be like this little blip. I don't want to lose the show. Believe it or not. I can't run the show in India if I curse on it, and a couple of other places. Yeah, and it's popular.

Charlotte Drury 1:34:27
How much of an international audience do you get information on your demographics? Do they give you that?

Scott Benner 1:34:31
Do you want to do this right now? Do you think people care like we can stop recording but I can tell you

Charlotte Drury 1:34:36
they could they could duck out whenever they want. Yeah, I'll

Scott Benner 1:34:38
tell you what nerd out first again. Yeah, I'm gonna I'm gonna do is thank the sponsors that the guys so I mean, I really do need the sponsors. Like you're not getting this podcast about the sponsor, unless you all want to start paying for the show. And I'm pretty sure no one wants that. So just just you know, get a Jif of hypo pen or whatever today's thing just Same Yeah, yeah. Do you

Charlotte Drury 1:35:01
can you tell when people do like to fast forward 15 seconds through the sponsored

Scott Benner 1:35:07
more people? Yes. I mean, some people do jump through the ads, but I try very hard to make the ad something you want to listen to. Ah, okay. And sometimes I do that by recording them very late at night. So that I'm a little like loopy.

Charlotte Drury 1:35:24
So that your like actual, like excellent content in the ads.

Scott Benner 1:35:29
The ads feel like content anyway. Like I can't get some of these people are gonna end up making a better podcast and like keep giving away all my secrets. Are here's the top like, Alright, here's the top countries, US first than Canada. The show is huge in Australia, United Kingdom, Ireland, Germany, Sweden, the United Arab Emirates, New Zealand and Saudi Arabia.

Charlotte Drury 1:35:52
Hey, what what percentage of your people are from Arab Emirates?

Scott Benner 1:35:57
It's it's I don't have it as a percentage. The smaller number there on the list. Yeah. And I'm only looking at Cool. Yeah, I'm only looking at the last month. But from there, Israel, South Africa, France, Switzerland, Norway, Japan, Hong Kong, India, the Netherlands, Spain, Kuwait, Puerto Rico. Denmark, Egypt, Ukraine, Bahamas, Mexico. Singapore, Thailand. Panama, Finland. Cayman Islands. I'm huge in the Cayman Islands. I'm not kidding. Qatar, Taiwan, Slovakia, Chile, China, Italy, Romania, Belgium. These are all places in the last 30 days. Virgin Islands. While there's a place I don't know. Hold on. We'll come back to that. Poland. Austria. No. Say you have to say it out with your brain. Philippines. Portugal. Are you ready? Yeah. Libby, Libyan Libyan Arab. jamaa Haria.

Charlotte Drury 1:36:55
Okay, no, also have never heard of that. Now. I was an international studies major. I'm not sure that place exists. According to my knowledge. Oh, wait a minute.

Scott Benner 1:37:06
I'm googling. Yeah, that's a good place.

Charlotte Drury 1:37:09
It's earlier in the conversation. We can do that now.

Scott Benner 1:37:12
Oh, yeah. The internet's right here. It's in Libya. I guess history of

Charlotte Drury 1:37:18
lives like an independent territory inside of Libya,

Scott Benner 1:37:21
the Libyan Arab Juma the Libby Alright, hold on. Libyan Arab Gemma harissa is a country in Northern Africa that is slightly larger than the state of Alaska and shares borders with Tanzania, Algeria. Niger. It's a place and people

Charlotte Drury 1:37:43
haven't seen it the UN is it like I've never heard of this country.

Scott Benner 1:37:47
Right. Let's see United Nations. This is what you want to know about. Do they have a seat at the Yeah,

Charlotte Drury 1:37:52
I think I think that people are gonna agree with me. This is curious stuff.

Scott Benner 1:37:57
All right. Hold on. I got a un thing here from 2016. Libya political deal not open for renegotiation Libyan Arab Jim, I don't know the recent political chord paving the way for unity government. Libya is not open. It sounds like it's a split off thing around Libya. Best I can guess.

Charlotte Drury 1:38:19
You I just know that the rest of my day is going to be researching this.

Scott Benner 1:38:22
Well. I hope you do. Oh, here we go. Dominican Republic, Malaysia, Pakistan, Brazil, Czech Republic, Hungary, Russian Federation, Nepal, Malta, Nigeria. These are all places where people have listened with reasonable frequency in the list. That's really cool. Yeah, that's crazy, right? So everybody who has diabetes who speaks English at some point or another, finds out about the podcast. And it's because of the Pro Tip series, which I will tell you about as soon as we hang up here. Okay. Yeah, I knew that. That I can't believe you made me do that. Because it seems like I'm bragging. And I was

Charlotte Drury 1:38:58
I just listen, I allowed you to do that. I know you wanted to. Oh, my God.

Scott Benner 1:39:03
Are you kidding? If it was up to me, the whole podcast would just be about that. And then I'd be like, Oh, and here's bouncing it off though.

Charlotte Drury 1:39:09
You should end the podcast with I would just like to thank my listeners in and then name every single country.

Scott Benner 1:39:16
That wouldn't be too boring. Charlotte, let's say your name your your name really quick three times fast and see if we get lost. Ready?

Charlotte Drury 1:39:25
I have a lifetime of experience everything. My whole name do it. Charlie Gray, Charlotte Gray, Charlotte gray.

Scott Benner 1:39:30
It just falls apart. They're not even letters and sounds anymore.

Charlotte Drury 1:39:34
It's like saying word overnight or real name. That's all. That's it's in fact, it's it's quite a real name. And I like it.

Scott Benner 1:39:44
I do too. Is there anything we didn't talk about that we should have?

Charlotte Drury 1:39:49
I don't know. I can't remember what we talked about.

Scott Benner 1:39:51
Perfect way to end Hold on one second.

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