#1425 Voluntold
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Jason, a military veteran with type 2 diabetes, shares his daughter's type 1 diagnosis, Mounjaro success, and his mother-in-law’s misdiagnosis.
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Scott Benner 0:00
Here we are back together again, friends for another episode of The Juicebox Podcast.
Jason is the father of a child with type one diabetes who was volunteered to be on the podcast today by his wife. He also has type two diabetes and has used Manjaro to lose a significant amount of weight. Nothing you hear on the Juicebox Podcast should be considered advice medical or otherwise, always consult a physician before making any changes to your healthcare plan. I know this is gonna sound crazy, but blue circle health is a non profit that's offering a totally free virtual type one diabetes clinical care, education and support program for adults 18 and up. You heard me right, free. No strings attached. Just free. Currently, if you live in Ohio, Delaware, Florida, Maine or Vermont, you're eligible for blue circle health right now, but they are adding states quickly in 2025 so make sure to follow them at Blue circle health on social media and make yourself familiar with blue circle health.org. Blue circle health is free. It is without cost. There are no strings attached. I am not hiding anything from you. Blue circle health.org you know why they had to buy an ad. No one believes it's free. Today's episode of The Juicebox Podcast is sponsored by Omnipod and the Omnipod five. Learn more and get started today at omnipod.com/juice box. The episode you're about to listen to was sponsored today by a g1 you can drink a g1 just like I do by going to drink a G one.com/juice. Box. Check it out. Hey, good morning, Scott. My name is Jason. Jason. Am I correct in saying that you were cajoled into this.
Jason 2:04
You know, I was voluntold, that I was going to do this by my beautiful bride crystal. But, you know, we're big fans of the show, so, so I agreed to do it wholeheartedly.
Scott Benner 2:14
Did you know that, Jason, that you would name your episode in the very first sentence? I did not. I've never heard the word voluntold before, but I bet you it's a common word that men know all over the country. How did I not know that one so,
Jason 2:28
you know? Well, I spent 22 years in the military, and we were voluntold. We were going to do lots of stuff on a regular basis.
Scott Benner 2:34
Okay, it's excellent. Well, this unless you say something crazy, this one's called voluntold. I'll figure out how to spell it later. So I brought it up because I was picking through your notes this morning. I was laying in bed trying to, like, get up, the energy to stand up, and I was picking through the notes for today. And there's just this moment here. It says it's my husband. He's type two, but he's not on insulin. He has managed with manjarno and metformin and diet. She gives you all your, like, your a 1c, stuff. And then we have a daughter, she has type one, blah, blah, blah. And I'm like, why is and like, and just, there's so much more. And then I realized that at the end, she's like, I just, I don't want to be on the podcast. I'm making him do it. And I was like, Ah, excellent. So why don't we talk about, talk about you first. How long have you had type two?
Jason 3:21
So I've had Type Two for two years. I was diagnosed in May of 20 what is that 2022?
Scott Benner 3:30
How does that come up like? What do you notice? What gets you to the doctor?
Jason 3:34
Well, obviously, you know, my our youngest daughter, or our only daughter, I should say, is type one. You start doing all the research, and you start looking for sign. You start reading what reading what the signs are for high glucose, you know, low glucose. Obviously, I was very much out of shape, you know, you know, my eyes. It was really my eyes, is what? What got me concerned. You know, they started getting foggy and goopy and and I just didn't feel right. And so, you know, we've got a plethora of glucose monitors at that house and finger poke kits. And so my wife, just out of the blue, said, Hey, let's have you stick your finger and and see what your blood sugar is. Now, one thing to know about me is I absolutely despise needles. I always have, and so it took an act of Congress to get me to poke my finger. So my daughter's laughing at me. And at the time she was 10, you know, my wife had a folk poke my finger in order to get it done. And, and I pretty much was very reluctant to do it, but they took it, and my blood sugar was sitting at 426 if I remember correctly,
Scott Benner 4:36
oh my gosh. So by the time you're at blurry eyes, that's gotta be, you know, quite the the marker to pay attention. But tell me about I was out of shape. What does that mean,
Jason 4:48
you know? So I retired from the military in 2015 at the time, I was in great shape. When I got out, kind of told myself I wasn't going to do any more exercise. I was tired of running, still eating a. Like, I was working out every day. I let my weight get a little bit out of control. I actually got up to about 320 pounds. Then when I got diagnosed and went in to the doctor, I was 320 pounds, not doing any, any sort of exercise, eating, like, I like, I was still,
Scott Benner 5:15
like, you were running five miles a day,
Jason 5:18
running five miles a day and going to the gym for two hours a day, right? You had the same
Scott Benner 5:22
thing happened to you that, like, defensive linemen have happened to them. Yeah, they leave the NFL like they don't. My son played college baseball. He had the same, like, adjustment period. He was eating like he was trying to be 200 pounds and playing a sport every day. And then he stopped playing, and he got home, and I was like, Hey, you gotta, like, slow down, man. Like you're not burning this off anymore. You don't need all this fuel. What was your weight when you left the military? I was 210, wow. You put 110 pounds on very quickly. How tall are you? Six, one. Okay, so for a little while it was okay, right? Yeah,
Jason 5:57
sure. You know. You know, fear, you gain a little bit, you know. And you always look at yourself and go, you know, I still look good in the mirror, you know, at least to me. And 240 he was, was okay. 262 70 was, you know, was good. And then after that, you don't really weigh yourself anymore. And then it just kind of continues to go and go. And next thing you know, you look in your closet and you got clothes, you know, from a size 36 all the way up to a size 48 Yeah.
Scott Benner 6:20
And you've beat a couple holes into a belt, and, yeah, you've
Jason 6:25
got, you know, a ton of belts, you know, hanging on the rack, you know, and all different sizes. And, you know, I'll get back down, you know, it's just going to take me a little bit and I'll start working out again. But it never, it never happens,
Scott Benner 6:35
right? Well, do you think you had any metabolic issues prior and you weren't noticing them because of your insane, like, regimen. Or do you think that gaining the weight kind of piled stuff on top of you? Or,
Jason 6:48
No, I was gaining the weight that piled everything on top of me, right? You know. So got out in 2015 like, like I said, you know, got out the military in 2015 kind of moved around a little bit from the country. We were originally up in Seattle, moved down to Arkansas, you know, lived there for about five years, went up to Ohio, you know, and then Oklahoma, and then eventually ended up down here in Houston. So, you know, we moved quite a bit. You just, kind of, you know, just everything kind of piles up. COVID, obviously, didn't, didn't help much, you know, during that time. So, you know, just, I think it just all compounded. I
Scott Benner 7:21
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Jason 9:57
Well, you know that's that's interesting. Right? So blood sugar is over 400 wife says, hey, you know, you need to make an appointment now. And I said, you have what? Obviously, you know, that's, that's the first thing we need to do. And, and we sat down and came up with the plan. We said, you know, hey, we want to be, you know, we get you on Metformin, obviously, but we, you know, let's get to a long acting insulin, right? You know, let's, let's take care of this and start figuring out what we need to do. And I had a tremendous doctor, so I So, so I went to this young lady here, you know, just random pick out of the blue, went into her and and said, Hey, here's, here's everything. I had kept a chart, you know, they couldn't get me in for two weeks. And so I actually kept a blood sugar check, you know, a booklet on what my blood sugar was. You know, I was finger poking myself probably 12 times a day, 20 minutes before a meal, 30 minutes after. And I just kept a very regimented log through this process. And so when I went in, I was like, All right, so here's, I know, I'm type two diabetic. You know, this is I want metform, and I want to be put get this insulin, you know, get Atlantis or something, long acting, and get put on insulin so we get this under control. And she was great. She she looked at my book, and she goes, Well, I've never seen this happen before. You were definitely type two diabetic, but we are going to tackle this from a different perspective. She says, yes, absolutely. We're going to put you on metform. I think that's a great call. We're going call. We're going to put you on a low dose. Think it's 500 milligrams, twice a day, morning the night. She goes, but I do not want to put you on insulin once we go down that route. You know, it's really a game changer. So, so she talked about ozempic monjaro, and I, you know, I never heard those at the time, two years ago. And she goes, let's, let's start you with this and and just basic exercise, walking 30 minutes a day. And I reluctantly agreed to do that. Now there were now that. Where was the reluctance? Jason, say again, what was the reluctance? What did you Oh, because I, because I really thought insulin would be the best way to go, right? Let's get this under control. Let's get it down, and let's get the weight down, you know, having, again, having type one daughter. You know, I thought that was the only way to really start working through this process. But there were some other things going on, you know, on that as well. She took my blood pressure. And this is, this is kind of funny, but it was a type two hypertensive. It was like 349, over 220, something. And, you know, astronomical. Wait,
Scott Benner 12:23
what?
Jason 12:25
Oh, yeah, it was, in fact, what she told me, she goes, she took it the first time. She said, I need you to calm down. I said, Hey, I'm perfectly calm. Doctors, don't scare me. I'm good. So she turned off the light. She goes, I'm going to come back in 15 minutes. I just want you to sit in
Scott Benner 12:42
here, find your zen place, right and right? Yeah, find
Jason 12:45
your, find your zen place. I want you to calm down. I'll be back in 15 minutes to take your blood pressure again. So I sat in a dark room for 15 minutes. She came back, and it dropped a little bit, but it was still over 300 over 200 and she actually wanted, she says, I think you need to get you to the hospital. And I said, Hey, you know, we can get this under control. I fought back with her a little bit, and so we her, and I came up with a plan. We did some blood work, went out and bought a blood pressure monitor, and was monitoring myself, you know, six times a day, going through that process, she kind of scared me. And basically said, you know, we've got it. You've got to make some life choices. This is what the plan that that we're going to do, as long as you're in agreement with it, and otherwise we're going to be burying you in in 12 to 18 months. She was that direct? No, she was very direct. Did you appreciate that in the moment? It was eye opening. So what was the plan? Tell me the plan, Metformin. Exercise. Metformin twice a day. We started on Manjaro immediately. We started the lowest dose, right? So you do the lowest dose for four weeks, and then you double your dose. So I went from 2.5 and four weeks later, I went to five and then 7.5 and continued up, and actually made it up to 12.5 over the course of several months. And again, I was walking 30 minutes a day to start, 30 minutes the first one didn't realize how out of shape I was. I made it, I think, a mile, a little over a mile in 30 minutes. And then and but did that every single day, and eventually got up to I was doing, you know, five miles every morning.
Scott Benner 14:21
What were you running a mile at when you were in the military?
Jason 14:25
Oh my, my mile time was about 614, and my two mile time was 1305. Wow,
Scott Benner 14:33
disappointing. The first time you went for a walk. Or was it more eye opening? More eye opening? Yeah, you realize how far you kind of fell right? Oh, sure, yeah.
Jason 14:43
In fact, you know, you get out there the first morning, you feel great, and you start walking right. I'm warmed up. I'm going to try and run. You make it about 20 steps, and you realize, well, that's not going to happen. But I was also very cautious, because I knew my blood pressure was so high
Scott Benner 14:57
when you start. The exercise, and you you recognize, you know where you've slipped to. If I put you back, I don't know, a month before you end up at the doctor, if I would have asked you about where you were, would you have assessed yourself anywhere near accurately? No, do you have any idea why that is like, Can you give any insight about that? Yeah,
Jason 15:21
just yeah, you know, I wish I did. I would have just said, you know, hey, you know, hey, I know I'm heavy, right? Probably need to do some more exercise. But, you know, for 20 something years, you know, I exercise every single day. I've still got, you know, still some residual I guess I would have said, but yeah, no, never, never in that situation. I never would have guessed it.
Scott Benner 15:42
I have the same exact experience. I know you listen, so you must understand that I've lost weight with GLP, right? Sure you know that, yeah. So I the same exact experience. I have this one photo that Arden texted me like six months ago. Maybe it was a picture from her high school graduation, of which you were standing on the football field taking pictures. And taking pictures, and I'm not recognizable as myself today in that photo. And I know that if you would have said to me back then, hey, explain your health to me, I would have said, Oh, you know, I do okay. You know, I told you probably my back gets stiff and My knee hurts. You know, I have some issues with digestion. I don't seem to like, absorb iron. Well, I never would have, for some reason, stepped back and gone, Jesus. You just listed seven things that are wrong with you, because at the end, if you said, How are you doing, I would have said, I'm doing well, it really is fascinating. Like, I don't understand it when I'm talking to you. I don't understand it when I'm living through it. I don't like. It's just a weird human thing where we just, I don't know, we're like, so hopeful, you know what? I mean, you're like, I can get back to it. I'll figure it out. Or you remember yourself in a different way, or whatever. It's been a journey for me. So were you eating more? Obviously, you were eating more than you needed. That's how you were gaining weight, right? You're taking in more calories than you need. But were you unable to stop yourself or, and you needed the Manjaro for the satiation, or were you using it more for the other stuff that it did, I
Jason 17:09
was probably using it more for the other stuff. And got the the added benefit of kind of that appetite suppressant. You know, my wife, you know, teases me all the time now, and so does my daughter, you know, where? I guess maybe it was growing up, you know, not, not to put any blame on parents or anything, right? But, you know, they're starving kids in China, right? Me, you know, clear your plate. You know, make sure you eat all your food and do all that stuff. And, or I could clear a plate, you know, and then half my wife's whatever she left over and, you know, go back for seconds, right? Yeah,
Scott Benner 17:38
you were saving, you were saving little kids in China. My parents, by the way, would say, Africa. Yeah, absolutely the same thing. Like that idea of, like, you leave a morsel on that plate, you're doing something really, really horrendous, sure, yeah, it's something I don't think they knew any better, but, you know,
Jason 17:57
and you brought back, you know, you know, you brought up the fact, you know, you look at pictures, right? And, you know, I looked at those pictures, you know, we've got the Amazon scrolling on the TV when it, when it, and so forth. And at the time, you look at pictures and go, that's a great family photo. Yeah, I'm a little bit bigger than I was, you know, you know, from the previous year's photos, but it's not bad. You look back on them now and and it's, and it's brutal, and we keep them up there for that specific purpose, right? I mean, I like to have them up there because it's a reminder.
Scott Benner 18:24
I actually have this picture from my brother's wedding, and it's of my wife and I, and I'm waiting for the right time to show it to her and say, I think we should hang this up so we don't forget, right? But, yeah, I have the same The same thing happens, like, those, those images go by, and I'm like, I don't even like, see myself there, right? I really started recognizing it when I you start bumping into people. I talked about this in my in my weight loss diary, but the number of people who I bumped into who assumed I had cancer really was eye opening for me. That's that's interesting, yeah, yeah. Because they're first, they're like, it would go, are you okay? How are you? And I'm standing there thinking, like, is the best I've been in my whole life. Like, why? You know, then I realized I've lost so much body mass, they think I'm dying. Well, I went from
Jason 19:14
a 3x shirt to a large today, and I ran into some old co workers, and this is, you know, six months ago, and I hadn't seen him in three and a half years. And it was, you know, if to them, they said it was shocking, and that, you know, it's, you know, I lost half of a person, is what they say. And
Scott Benner 19:32
you know, me, I'll talk so, you know, eventually, through that conversation with those people bumping into I'd say, Hey, why were you so stunned? And I swear to God, three people said I thought you had cancer. And I was like, Oh, I said, I just I'm on a GLP medication. I actually was with Arden at her doctor's appointment the other day, like her endo appointment, and her endo is the same person who manages the kids thyroids and helps me and my wife with the GLP. It's such a nice thing. We use our individual doctor's appointment. Sense, but we will talk about everybody because of the autoimmune aspect of our family. We think it's important for the doctor to know what's happening with all of us, because, because they can kind of, you know, make assumptions about other things that way. We were just sitting there chatting away and and she's like, Scott, you look completely different. And I was like, Yeah, I know. She goes, How do you feel? And I said, I feel like I'm 15. Yeah, it's great. She goes, You are not nearly the only person to say that to me after being on the GOP for a while. So I don't know Anyway, your a 1c at that hospital was, What do you recall, 11.9 and where to get to, and how long did it take? So
Jason 20:41
in four months, I got it down to 5.2 and then I just had a redone. I haven't done it every I had it done every three months, and it stayed consistent at that 5.2 5.3 and now I'm doing it every six months. And my last one that I just got done last month was 5.4
Scott Benner 20:58
and you're still on Manjaro. I am. She decided
Jason 21:01
to keep me on. She says, it's doing great. She gave me my choice if I wanted to get off or keep going and maintaining where I'm at. And I decided to stay on it. 12.5
Scott Benner 21:12
12.5 that's where I'm at. Somebody asked me the other day, how long are you going to have to take this? And I said, you're going to have to take it from me, if you want me to stop taking it,
Jason 21:21
that's, that's my sentiment, exactly, absolutely. My God,
Scott Benner 21:25
just my digestion alone and the fact that I haven't had to get an iron infusion in almost two years, you're kidding me. I take it just for that. You
Jason 21:34
know, absolutely. Yeah, absolutely. And I have, you know, you know I and have you experienced? And I'll ask you a question, have you experienced any stigmatism in taking it from other people? Like other people are reluctant to tell somebody that they're taking it, because I haven't. People ask me all the time, what did you do to do this? And I don't tell my story. I'm free with it and say, You know that? You know, hey, I'm a man Jaro. I still take it. And they're like, oh well, you cheated. Oh heck no, I didn't cheat. You know this, this was a life saver. It's a game changer. I have people coming up that are, you know, not as healthy as they could be right now, and they say, Well, do you think it would work for me? Would you do it again? Absolutely. And I'm a big proponent for anything that helps somebody get healthier. Listen,
Scott Benner 22:18
I'm going to tell you something. I've gotten the you're cheating. I've got the like, just that it's shitty, like, you get shitty from people. They're just like, Oh, you're fat, and you don't know how to not be fat anymore, and you took this medicine and now you're not fat anymore. And that's not fair. I can't even understand that. Thinking, like, what do you care? Forget what I looked like. I was unhealthy. I wasn't able to get more healthy on my own. This thing made me healthy. Why are you not happy for me? Why are you not asking about like yourself? Because to your point, this is frequently coming from people who are not at their optimal weight and absolutely not without their complaints about things. So a couple of examples, actually, I can give you like three of them. I don't want to name people, obviously, but there's a person you know that I know, who I'm going to tell you is was well over 400 pounds. Every time I saw them, I care about this person. Every time I saw them, I thought, well, they're not going to be alive much longer, like every every time. And they finally decided to do something about it. And they're like, Well, I'm going to do it with restricting calories. And you know that that kind of thing, God bless them. It's working, and they are losing weight very, very slowly. But the thing is, is I've seen this happen in their life a number of times, and I don't wish ill on them, but if it actually works this time, if they actually get down to where they probably should be 250 I'm going to be thrilled for them. But I've seen them go through this a number of times, and you know, we're together at one point, and I said, Hey, you look terrific. Congratulations. Is going really well. Tell me what you're doing. Explain to me how they changed their cooking process and when they eat, kind of closed their eating window a little bit like, did a whole bunch of different things. I was like, oh, it's really fantastic. And I'm standing there like, I'm not mentioning me. I'm definitely not judging them. I'm giving them nothing but praise, and it's genuine. And at the end of the conversation, almost like they couldn't help it, the person said, Yeah, I was able to do it without any help. I had that. I was like, Oh my God. Like, after all that happiness, I just dumped on you. Your last thought is, let me on him. I was like, that's fascinating, you know,
Jason 24:38
I've had that happen. And you look at it and, you know, somebody says, Well, you know, how much did you lose on on on Jaro? And I said, you know, I lost 70 pounds in the first five months. I think it was actually about four and a half months. And persons like, you know, I've lost 15 pounds and in the last two months, right? You know, through, through this. And I'm like, I just don't understand, you know? And the one, one guy told me. His doctor recommended and said that they would prescribe Manjaro to them. They turned it down because they felt it was cheating. And so I just don't understand that mentality. Man, there's
Scott Benner 25:10
so many things I don't understand. We can make a list. Actually. Arden and I are making a series together called I don't understand. I'll put this on the list of things I don't understand. So another example, I saw another person who is a type two with an A 1c in the fourteens, and they happen to have a job where they have to have a lower a 1c or they'll lose their job. I don't want to be more specific than that, sure, and the doctor puts them on manjarno. Person loses weight, you know, their a 1c comes down. They go to their doctor's appointment to get their a 1c for the job. And then as soon as they have the A 1c they need, they stop taking the menjaro And I said, and then they gain the weight back, and the A 1c and the A 1c went right back up against this. Person's not using insulin. They're not managing their type two diabetes in any way, and I asked. I said, I'm just so sorry to ask, like, just this directly, but I've known this person my whole life. I said, Why don't you want to, like, lose weight and have a lower a, 1c he said, I you know. And then these are the answers that freaked me out. The first one was, I like to eat, and that stuff won't let me eat. And the example of what it was stopping him from doing was coming home at the end of a work day, taking a bag of frozen french fries, putting it out on a pan, cooking the entire bag, pouring cheese over top of it, needing it. And he wasn't able to do that on the Manjaro so he stopped taking it. And I said, Well, what about just like health, like your a 1c and everything that he doesn't even acknowledge that a 1c is just a number that stops him from doing his job. And so I said, Man, I was like, Look, I love you. I was like, You're gonna die with an A 1c that high, he will not acknowledge that. I said, What about just losing weight? Wouldn't you like to lose weight? Size? He told me is power and getting smaller is being weaker. And then we weren't talking, and then the conversation kind of ended while he was saying that his children were standing behind him looking at me like, my dad's gonna die. We know that's crazy. Yeah, it just absolutely I don't even want to call it insane. I don't know how many therapists or psychiatrists that would take to get him through those feelings, but there's an example of something that's, that's, you know, having an impact on his life. Now, the other thing I wanted to tell you is that a friend of a friend come to me and say, my mom is on GLP, but it's not going well. But I know I'm seeing you do it, I know you could help her, like, get through like, the thing. I think she's probably having little problems with her, like, you know, going to the bathroom and stuff like that. And I said, Yeah, like, let's just get on a phone call and I'll ask her what's happening and see if I can offer any advice. She said she won't tell anybody she's using it. And so if, if I told her, you'd be willing to speak to her, she'd be mad at me.
Jason 28:02
Yeah, you know, yeah, no, I get it. So my father is type two diabetic, and you know, when I went through this transformation, you know, I said, I said, Dad, you know, you've got to, you know, if you've tried ozap, if you tried my gen or if you talked to your doctor about it, and the answer I got was, oh, yeah, you know, I did ozempic, and I did it for I did the first shot for a week, and it made me feel, feel sick and just kind of nauseous, and I wasn't, and so I stopped doing it. I'm like, well, that goes away. And that goes away, you know, after the first week, week and a half, and the benefits are incredible. No, not going to do it. Yeah, I
Scott Benner 28:41
don't know, even when I had trouble, like, there were times I didn't have a lot of solid bowel movements for a while, and what I would think was, well, I feel better, and I'm losing weight, and I probably did a lot of horrible things to my body to get here, they're probably going to be a couple of horrible things are going to happen on the way back. So, you know, and I talked to my doctor, and my doctor and my doctor is like, look, you know, we can try to mitigate it, but you know, it's not hurting you. And I was like, Okay, I actually took some I found this stuff that fixed it, but I stopped losing weight. So I was like, Oh, nope, I wish I can tell you what it is. I can't. I can never remember the name of it off top my head, but as we're talking, I'll find it for you, in case people are interested,
Jason 29:21
super greens, right? You know, you can buy them any Amazon, supplement store, grocery store, but they're just a simple super greens that are, like a lot of folks that use a gym, that's what I took that, you know, just tons of fiber. So
Scott Benner 29:33
I didn't go the fiber route. I went the like somebody, I'm finding it for you right now. I'm so sorry. And people are probably like, Oh, this is super is super interesting. Scott goes through his Amazon orders
Jason 29:46
slippery elm bark. Interesting. 4000
Scott Benner 29:50
milligrams I would take, like, two of them at a meal time. And my, I don't want to be in delicate Justin, but my poop came out like Jesus intended. But I. Started to not lose weight. Now, my weight didn't go up, but I was just very I wasn't losing weight. And look, I don't know why, but I was like, I'm gonna stop taking this I'll go back to having less than pleasant bowel movements and continue to lose weight. And then I'm gonna get to the weight I need to be, and then I'll figure out what to do next. Maybe I'll take some of these then and say, you know, whatever, I don't know, but my point is, is that there was nothing happening that would you would have gotten me to stop taking that like it was. It's just making too many positive changes for me. And then you start hearing the stories in the in the news, articles lowering heart disease, lowering kidney disease, liver disease. I think it's possible that the biggest thing it's doing is just the inflammation reduction. Absolutely, it's fascinating, what it's doing for inflammation reduction. And Arden, Arden's doctor, put her on it for, you know, what she called insulin resistance. She's like, Look, if Arden didn't have type one diabetes, possible she'd have type two with the resistance she has to insulin. And so we put her on just the lowest dose. She's just was taking 2.5 but she couldn't eat enough, and she was losing weight. And some of the weight loss wasn't, you were like, okay, she wasn't, maybe at her ideal weight. So there's nothing wrong with losing a little weight here. She lost a little too much, and so we took her off of it. We wanted her to gain back about five to seven pounds, she gained that back, and we just this last week, for the first time, gave her less than 2.5 and the way I did that was I took a clean, sterile vial that you can buy online, and basically just injected the pen into the vial, and then I used insulin needles to measure how much liquid was there and cut it in half and gave it to her with an insulin needle. That's brilliant. Yeah, her doctor's all for it. And 123, she's four days into that injection. So we're watching her blood sugar, because her blood sugar off of the Manjaro versus on. It was a holy mess, like, because we had dialed her insulin back so far on Manjaro, like, significantly back. And the minute she comes off of it, you know, once it's out of her body, you start seeing the roller coasters, and she can't cover her food as well. Like, everything happens pretty immediately. So I think it's going to take us a couple of weeks to figure out exactly how much we can give her so that it impacts her, her metabolic stuff and but doesn't impact her eating like that's the line we're trying to to walk. So we're working on that now. It's probably take a while to figure out, but it's well worth it. Talking to the doctor the other day, I said, in a couple of years, I bet you this GLP is going to be in a vial, and type ones are going to have it in the refrigerators, and they're going to be doing something similar with their doctors, finding the right dose to find a balance for for the people who can tolerate it, because some people just genuinely can't tolerate it. And, you know, that's a shame, but definitely true. But I'm going to tell you that the biggest like, you know, you asked, you know, have I run into people my biggest problem I've had being on glps, outside of my personal life, where there have been a few people who tell me I'm cheating or something. Is that by talking about it on the podcast, I've run into so many interesting responses. In the beginning, I got the you're on the side of Big Pharma pushing this GLP agenda some podcaster when they first came out, made a big deal about muscle loss during weight loss, and that's kind of stuck in the zeitgeist for a while now. You just need to, like, lift something and, you know, offset, you would have lost muscle losing weight anyway. You lost it. So I got pushed back from, I guess, just people who think that, you know, it's propaganda that was interesting. But my biggest thing, and this one breaks my heart a little bit, is because I'm me, like Jason. I'm 53 I'm a guy. I was born in the 70s, like I was fat. I don't know another way to say that. If I knew another way to say that, I would probably just say I was fat. Still, I know I'm not trying to hurt anybody's feelings, you know. It's just, it's how I talk like, you know, and I'm not going to spend a ton of time completely relearning the language so that a few people aren't, I don't know, insulted or whatever. I don't even know how to put it exactly. So I get a lot of notes from people that say that I don't use the right language when I'm talking about it. That's the biggest pushback I get, actually. Now
Jason 34:18
I'm Scott, I'm 51 I was born in 73 so I'm right there with you. And I mean, you know, I grew up, you know, very, very heavy in fifth grade, I was 200 pounds. Went through a transformation, I guess, in high school with sports. My freshman year of high school went from 210 I think, down to 150 playing football and then wrestling kind of maintained that weight. You know that 165 to 180 through high school, you know, went into college, you know, and then wrestling part of college, and then into the military, you know, I got, you know, I had fluctuations. So there's times that I would get big, even. In the military, where I get big and then I come back down, and then get big and come back down. But, you know, I could always pass a PT test, but I fluctuated through that process, and then, and then coming out, and really not kind of going back into that non physical, not doing anything on a daily basis, and I it's like going back to being a kid and just ballooned right back up. So, so I understand it. And, and, to your point, listen, I was, I always bad, I mean, to the point that when you looked at the scale, I mean, it was pretty much off the charts. Obese.
Scott Benner 35:29
Do you think you ate that much, or do you think you have a metabolic issue?
Jason 35:33
I think it's, I'll be honest with you, I think it's both okay. I think you know, for, you know, and, and I'll go back to, kind of back to high school, you know, wrestling, you know, I, you know, I played football in the fall, probably at 185 190 and then I wrestled at 158 to 168 and so I would start cutting weight and try and do that very, very quickly, you know. And I'm sure that had something to do with my metabolism. It's a great excuse, and I'll use it as much as possible. But the reality is, is, you know, I was eating, you know, probably 8000 calories a day.
Scott Benner 36:14
Wow, that's a lot. So I don't know. I grew up poorly, like, with direction about food. So I'd honestly, I couldn't tell you how many calories I was eating, but I have looked back. I was having this conversation with Cole the other day. I worked in a sheet metal shop. I had a really difficult job under like, harsh conditions. It wasn't great, but I was also poor, and so I'd go to a local like, 711 at lunchtime, and I had basically $2 to spend to eat. I remembered, when I looked back that I would buy a drink, and these two cinnamon buns, because they were, they were two for $1 you know, they had, like, sugar on them. And I know you're thinking like, oh, you know, I bought it because it was cheap. Sure, I look back now I don't know how many calories from those things. The truth is, is those two cinnamon buns could have been more than a daily allowance of calories, and then I'd still go home. My mom would feed me at the end of the day, that kind of stuff. Yeah, I was probably eating way too much, but I didn't know it. Like, I genuinely didn't know it. And this GLP, like, if, if there is such a thing as a GLP deficiency, or your body's inability to use the GLP that you have if that ends up being something they figure out. I'm not going to be surprised by that, because just like you, lost so quickly, I lost like in the in the first four days I was losing weight. Yep, absolutely listen, in my life, I had stopped eating for you know, I'd tried fasting at times. I fasted and didn't lose as much weight as I lost after shooting the GLP at me once, the doctor is telling me, like, you shouldn't be losing weight yet. That's like, not even a therapeutic dose of this. But I was so, something's happening. I don't know. You know.
Jason 37:52
No, I agree. My doctor had me coming in every 30 days to check, you know, I, you know, I was so, you know, my health was so poor that I was seeing her every 30 days. And my first 30 days was 28 pounds down, geez, you know. And then it was, you know, 20, I want to say was 25 the next month, or something close to it. But, I mean, I was, I was consistently in the low 20s, you know, mid to low 20s every for the first, you know, 90 days that I went in, yeah,
Scott Benner 38:20
like, how many weight did you have to lose before your blood pressure regulated? So
Jason 38:24
my blood pressure regulated in two months, you know, it got down to where she felt better, you know, she never put me on on high blood pressure medication. She said the moderna would help with that. I would say it was probably two, two and a half months, you know, that I was, you know, I was checking it, you know, like, I said religiously, daily basis. The walking, obviously, I was walking, you know, consistently, I think, really helped through that process. Yeah, we'll say two and a half, three months, yeah, before under concern that
Scott Benner 38:55
was going to kill you. Just that 100% Yeah, that's what I would say. When people at first were like, What are you doing this for? I'm like, I'm gonna have a heart attack. That's why. Like, I finally, like, you know, I've said it on on here before, but like, Arden went off to college, and I had five seconds to think about myself, and I was like, I'm not okay, you know. And I went to the doctor and I said, I'm not okay. And she's, you know, she said, Well, let's try giving you this GLP. And it's like, a year and a half later, and all I can think is, like, why didn't somebody invent this 40 years ago? Like, you know? So,
Jason 39:24
no, absolutely, I, you know, I I tell anybody that asked, I said, you know, it's a, it's a wonder drug. I really do believe that. And if you can get onto it, you look at all the medications, you know, the people are taking on a daily basis, lose the weight, and then the medications start dropping. I
Scott Benner 39:39
actually, I've had the thought like, if I don't get hit by a bus, I'm gonna live forever. That's how it makes you feel, sorry.
Jason 39:44
I feel great. I feel I feel like I'm, you know, my late 20s, Yeah,
Scott Benner 39:49
no kidding. Your daughter was diagnosed with type one before you had type two. Yeah.
Jason 39:54
My daughter was diagnosed the day the world shut down. So we took her into the hall. Hospital, children's up in Cincinnati, Ohio, wonderful hospital on March 23 of 2020. Really, yep, look at you
Scott Benner 40:11
trying to mark the occasion. What happened to her that made you realize she had to go to the hospital?
Jason 40:15
Oh, yeah, it's actually my wife, you know. To make a long story short, I had taken a new job and moved up to Cincinnati. I was living in an apartment. My wife was a school teacher at the time, and she was on spring break. And they, they were originally going to finish out the school year down in Arkansas, and then eventually, you know, move I was going to look for a house. They were going to move up when school ended, and and everything is going to be great. And so they came up during spring break, I guess, I guess that was on the 20th, yeah, they came up to Ohio. And, you know, daughter was just lethargic, you know, on the 23rd my wife was, you know, meal prepping for for me, because, you know, single, you know, a guy living by himself, you know, was probably not eating healthy. Obviously, that's where I got, kind of got to where I was, but she was milk prepping for me, and my daughter was lethargic, and so she did some research on it, and took her to a local pediatrician on the 23rd and this is so this is the day that that COVID really started coming out, and they're starting to shut things down. So she's out of state. She begs and pleads, and gets her into a pediatrician up there and says, I really think this is her blood sugar. They get her into the pediatrician. They finger poker, and she is, I mean, it just says, Hi, on the, on the, on the finger poke kit. And they immediately sent her to the Children's. We were in children's for I want to say it was a week wonderful staff, but it was, again, it's the date everything shut down, you know, wife calls me. I leave work, I show up at the hospital. She's in the, er, we're trying to go through the, you know, get her blood sugar down, drinking mass of water, my daughter starving. And they finally admit it, admit us. I actually left to go, you know, I had to go back to the apartment. There's, you know, food still out, because it was a mad rush to get out. I go back to the hospital, and they almost didn't let me back in, because they had between the time that they admitted her to the time, you know, I want to say it's an hour and a half, two hours. They had shut everything down and locked it down, and then I had to go through the whole screening process, and then it was one parent, was only one parent was going to be allowed to be with her. And we had, you know, argue that case through there. They finally let us both in there, and we both stayed in the hospital for for a week with her, and just because we were on lockdown, yeah,
Scott Benner 42:37
wow. What? There's timing, huh? Geez.
Jason 42:40
Horrible timing.
Scott Benner 42:43
What did you learn in the hospital? Like, was it so crazy that everybody just kind of forgot you were there? Or did they actually go through diabetes protocols? And if so, what were they?
Jason 42:55
You know, we hear horror stories. You know, we're involved in several type one groups in the local area. And you hear these horror stories about, you know, they got to the hospital, they gave them insulin and sent them home. We had a wonderful staff at Cincinnati Children's good they were fantastic. They walked us through it, I would say the first two days. Again, I'm 51 so the memory is kind of gone, but the first two days, you know, they were giving her all of her injections, right, monitoring everything, finger poking, and we were just there, kind of observing and watching. They handed us a book that that my wife read, you know, front to back probably three times. And then they brought in an educator, and then we started doing that. So within a week, we were, I almost say, comfortable, you know, with the whole process, because it's still a shock. When they discharged us, we left there with an abundance of knowledge on how to at least keep her alive, tons of follow up appointments. I want to say it was on a weekly basis. We were going back and just doing some follow up appointments. We went through, you know, the education process. They got us on a pump and a Dexcom, you know, CGM as quickly as possible. So they were fantastic.
Scott Benner 44:10
That's excellent, good I'm glad. How do you find the podcast? Then my
Jason 44:14
wife found it. I, you know, again, looking for support. I mean, it was more of a support mechanism. We left, you know. And I remember thinking this, and my wife thought it as well, is, how do we keep her alive? How do you get any sleep? How do you, you know, feed, you know, do you go full keto? Do you go, you know, 100% protein? And I remember there was something, and it was a podcast you did, and, and I cannot remember the episode, and I apologize, no, but it was somebody sitting there saying, you know that, you know, it was a mother saying, I just wish everybody would know that it will be okay, and at some point through this journey, you know, I won't say you're comfortable with it, but you're going to understand it. Yeah. And it did. It is truly amazing how again, never comfortable, but you learn, and then then you want to be an advocate and help other people go through this process. It's excellent.
Scott Benner 45:12
I'm glad it's truly how I feel about it. I I'll say it to anybody who's newly diagnosed, over and over again, the way you feel today, you're gonna look back a year from now, you know, go listen to the Pro Tip series, listen to the bowl beginning stuff like, meet some other people, listen to some stories. And a year from now, you'll look back on yourself and not recognize yourself. You'll think, what was I even so worried about? Absolutely, yeah, and that's super important, because you can get caught in that, that uncertainty and, oh, I'm killing them. I don't know what I'm doing. This is just diabetes. There's no way to actually do this. You get caught up in that very quickly. It's hard to get away from after that. And,
Jason 45:50
you know. And then there's other you know, you know. Again, you join support groups, but you hear some people just, you know, how dare you give your kid? And you still see it today on, you know, out there's, you know, 12 year old daughters, a type one diabetic, and you're, you show a picture of her, you know, eating, you know, an ice cream, right? Or a cake at a birthday thing or something, and somebody wants to make a comment about, you know, why would you ever give a type one diabetic? You know that you're going to kill them. And it's like, obviously you're somebody that does not understand, you know, diabetes, or you get the portion of people that don't understand the difference between type one and type two. And it's like, well, have your daughter lose weight. Yeah, that's
Scott Benner 46:32
just not going to happen. Jason, you know, I got to a certain age, I just resolved myself to the fact that here's one of those things. I'm like, I shouldn't say this, but here we go. I saw some news coverage of a protest the other day. It doesn't matter what the people were protesting. There was a person there holding a sign that said, God hates you. And I thought, You know what? There are some people it's not important to take their thoughts into account, you know? Like, absolutely, yeah, it's okay. Like, it's not my job to help that person. I hope they figure their way through this life. But I have to stop looking at everybody and giving them the same weight as well thought out people, and I don't mean like people who agree with me, like, there are plenty of people who don't agree with me who are well thought out. Obviously, like intelligent people, they just have different beliefs. I'm all okay with that, but there's, there's just a certain segment of people who just say the first thing that pops into their little head. And I'm done worrying about what they think, and I didn't give a lot of thought to them to begin with. But if someone comes on my Facebook group and puts up a picture of some giant sundae at some restaurant, and says, Can you please help me Bolus with this? Does anybody have any idea how many like, first of all, it's not my expectation that they're eating a giant sundae every day. Like, it seems like they're having, like, you know, they got caught in a situation. They're out. They're like, I'm gonna do a thing. You know, in my group, it's very limited, because we do a really good job of limiting this kind of stupidity. But if you come in and say, just don't eat it, or that's why your blood sugar is going to be higher. Like, we all know that. Thank you, Captain Obvious, okay, like, we all know we shouldn't eat a Sunday. That's as big as our face. Like, but obviously this is happening one time. If you food, shame people, if you like, if you come in and do stuff like that. I have no time for that anymore. I used to try to say to people, like, look, just be helpful. If you if you can't be helpful in this question, don't jump in here and say no more. Like, just be a reasonable person. Or don't it's not your job to tell them not to eat the Sunda they're asking. Do you know how many carbs This is? If you don't know, you have no business answering. That's it? Yeah,
Jason 48:42
absolutely. I mean, some, sometimes the Idiocracy on on social media sites is astounding to me, you know, swipe up, I guess, right,
Scott Benner 48:52
yeah, I don't even believe in God. And I was offended by that sign. I mean, my God, like, why would you show up at somebody's thing and say to them like, you know, God, he hates you. What mental illness made you take up your day with this cause, right? If it's online, or if it's in person, or if it's if it's a guy I'm standing next to who says to Me, who who doesn't have any trouble, a not understanding that his size is not his power in the world, and that by saying that it is if I was, like, if I was a person who was easily triggered, I'd go, Oh, he's telling me I'm not a powerful person because I've lost weight. Like, you know what I mean? Like, I hear that and I think, oh, gosh, I'm I'm sorry for him. I hope this is something that he's able to get through. But I'm not offended by it, and I am not going to spend a lot of time worrying about it either, like I feel badly. Like I talked to one of his children afterwards, and they told me, we've given up. He's just not going to live very long, and we all know it. He's getting anyone seen the fourteens like, consistently. That can't be my burden. Like. If I say nothing tastes as good as whatever the hell it is, I don't even remember what I said. If I said that and it made you upset, I'm sorry. This probably isn't the right podcast, or you shouldn't listen to it. That's right. That's all like, I can't agree, and I'm not equating the two. I'm not equating the god sign with the person who said, Please don't say this on the podcast. Like y'all got different feelings, and I don't understand some of them. These are mine. If you don't like them, that's cool. Like, just, I don't care. Just, this is me. You can like it or you cannot like it. I'm not judging you. I hope you don't judge me. That's sort of the end of it. But absolutely so okay, I'm so sorry. So your daughter's diagnosed. You get her home. You've got good direction. You reach out, you find good community, you find the podcast, you do everything. Podcast, you do everything. How does she manage? How's she doing now? Like, how have you found the process over the last, geez, four years now? So
Jason 50:49
she's managing. She's great. We went through the phase of, you know, when's diabetes gonna be over? When am I not gonna have it anymore? You know, we manage well with the pumps and the CGM, you know, I would say, from our daughter standpoint, you know, being 12, she wants to be just a kid, and we try and keep her as much of a kid and, you know, let her go to those parties, let her have the food that she wants. We don't really have food restrictions. We're not on a low carb diet. Her a 1c last time was, I think 6.1 my wife is probably, is the is the human pancreas right now for and we're okay with that, you know. And again, that goes back to a lot of people making comments, you know. Everybody says, Well, why isn't your daughter managing her own diabetes? Well, she does, and she understands that she needs to, you know, be dosed when she eats. And for the most part, we still have some sneaking issues with food, and we correct it kind of our thought process on this whole thing is, yes, our daughter knows how to do she knows how to run her own pump, she knows how to count her carbs and look through that process, but she is going to have her entire life to do this, and if we can take some of that burden away from her for the first several years of her life, until she becomes an adult, we're happy to do that. But overall, she's, she's doing great, excellent.
Scott Benner 52:10
And how old is she again, right now? She's, she's 12, yeah, so I couldn't possibly agree with you more, like, I just think it's a lot to put on a person, and they obviously need to understand what's happening. They need to be able to do it on their own, but you helping alleviate some of the burden, especially at a younger age. Like, Listen, I'm not a psychiatrist, I'm not a doctor, I'm an idiot. Like, who, like, figured out how this microphone works okay? Like, so, and I'm just telling you my experiences. I'm also now, 10 years later, a person who's had a lot of conversations with a lot of people who have diabetes. I don't think anyone's ever said to me, my parents were too helpful, and it really hurt me exactly. Yeah, I've heard a lot of people say my parents put it on me. Thought I could handle it, you know, it turns out I couldn't. Here's what happened to me through college, you know, I didn't even pull myself together till my late 20s. Like, you know, if, luckily, I talked to people in their 40s were like, I never pulled it together. I'm in trouble. Now. I've never once had somebody say, You know what the problem was? My mom and dad cared too much. They helped me too much. I get the idea that you'll turn them into a snowflake that can't help themselves. But that's not what people are saying. They're not saying, you know, they're not infantilizing their kids and just treating them like they're six months old. You're just saying, Look, you know, there lot going on, and I'm gonna, I'm gonna, we're gonna share the burden more evenly. Maybe I'm gonna be wrong, man. Maybe I'll wake up one day and my 30 year old daughter will be just like a show, I don't know. And the people will be like, Ah, he was wrong. And I'll go, Okay, fair enough, I was but I this is how it appears to
Jason 53:49
me so far. Yeah, absolutely. And, like I said, She's, she's gonna have her entire life, you know, to deal with this, and so, you know, taking 10 years, you know, she was diagnosed when she was eight, you know. So if we're doing this for until she's 18 or and goes off to college, so if we have to do it for 10 years and again, not saying on it on a regular basis, you know, through high school and stuff, but if we can take some of that burden away, more than happy to do it, she'll have the she'll have the next 80 years to deal with that. Yeah,
Scott Benner 54:17
yeah, I agree with you. I'm glad. Hey, there's a note in here. You're the stuff that crystal told me that you would be talking about. My mother was diagnosed, Lada after type two diagnosis that almost killed her at 65 about two years before our daughter was diagnosed. Is crystal talking about her mother? Her
Jason 54:34
mother, yep. What happened there? So her mother? Yeah, and he wasn't feeling well. They, they went in, they, and she's a skinny little little thing, a bean pole, but she went in, they, they diagnosed her with type two diabetes. And about a year, you know, it actually two years. So before Lily Lillian was diagnosed, yeah, type two for her mother at age 65 and. Because, and what they found was insulin almost killed her the way that they were doing it. You know, giving her, give yourself 20 units in the morning or 30 units in the morning, that kind of covers you throughout the day. We'll come to find out she's late onset type one it put her in the hospital, almost killed her, really? Yeah, huh, wow.
Scott Benner 55:19
So the autoimmune is on your wife's side. That's on my wife's side. How about on your side? Do you see any at all?
Jason 55:26
My father passed away. My real father passed away. Oh, 1015, years ago, of leukemia, I had a cousin who was diagnosed type one diabetic, a first cousin who passed away at the age of 40, a couple years ago. That's That's it on my side. How about that? Do you see
Scott Benner 55:49
other people on your side of the family with just like, I don't know, I'm probably misusing this phrase, but just who don't appear metabolically healthy. That's
Jason 55:58
funny. My my family, with the exception of grandparents, have all been, you know, very, very fit, okay, skinny their whole lives. I was always the heaviest one out of the entire family, my wife's side, they're all physically fit for the most part. No, there's no immense obesity, you know, in either one of the family. So it's very, it's very strange to have, you know, in a very condensed amount of time, you know, have, you know, all these issues, you know, come forward, yeah? So just kind of you, huh? Yeah, oh yeah, I'm the black duck of the family.
Scott Benner 56:34
Well, you know, it's funny, because the way you explained it is so common, like, heavy when I was younger, but then I got so involved in sports that you kind of couldn't almost be overweight because you were exerting yourself so much. Then you go into the military, where that's still happening, and so that stays ahead of your problem, like, if you don't do sports in the military, this probably all happens to you a lot sooner you you think that, right?
Jason 56:56
Oh, 100% I would have been 300 pounds by the end of high school. Had I not gotten involved with sports? Okay,
Scott Benner 57:02
yeah. And then you stayed in the military so long that you just didn't have, by the way, what you do in the military. So
Jason 57:09
I did several things, you know, I was mostly, I was in the Reserves. I started out as a stinger missile gunner, so I've gotta fire a shoulder. Fired heat seeking missile off my shoulder, and then I went into nuclear, biological, chemical and then I spent the last 15 years in psychological operations, and that's where I deployed out overseas with with SIOP. Do
Scott Benner 57:32
you look back on it and think I did the right thing, being the military was good,
Jason 57:36
absolutely good. The structure for me, it's not for everybody, and I get that for me, the structure was, was fantastic.
Scott Benner 57:44
You your wife, your kids, any anxiety, depression, anything like that.
Jason 57:47
I don't think my wife or kids have any. Obviously, I've probably got some, if my wife likes to tell me on a consistent basis, you know that I have, obviously some conditions from overseas deployments that we're working through, but
Scott Benner 58:01
that's almost an impact of your job, not something you think you grew up with, or something
Jason 58:06
like that. Yeah, absolutely. So that's an impact of the job. Yeah, I'm looking
Scott Benner 58:10
for like, other, like inflammation related issues. That's what I was kind of thinking about at all. Okay, wow. How did you find this? Did you did you enjoy what we did.
Jason 58:20
This was great. This was this was a lot of fun. And, you know, I came into it with an open mind, and this was fantastic. And I hope it inspires other people. I appreciate
Scott Benner 58:31
it very much. I really do. Is there anything we didn't talk about that we should have, anything you'd like to talk about? No,
Jason 58:37
I spilled my guts out to you. So I feel great.
Scott Benner 58:42
Really, you probably owe me $40
Jason 58:43
Yeah, there you go, checks in the mail.
Scott Benner 58:47
People say all the time they get off and they're like, Wow, that was like therapy. And I'm like, I know, right. Isn't it great? That's good to talk about it. Yeah, no kidding. I can't. Thank you enough. I think you know what I said earlier. I really believe, I think, that you're going to see more and more people with type one diabetes be given GLP medications over the years. You're going to see the FDA approve them for type ones. You're going to see the ability to dose them more like insulin, I think, over the years, where instead of just telling somebody, this comes in 2.5 it comes in five, it comes in seven, you're going to say, look, here's a vial of it. You figure out with your doctor how much of this is right for you. I
Jason 59:20
think you know, through the weight loss side of it, you know, outside the type two, but they're starting to do that with some of the compounding, aren't they? Well,
Scott Benner 59:27
Lil is it? Lily? Lillian, yeah, yeah, this, yeah. Lily just announced that they're going to make zepbound available in vials, 2.5 milligrams and five milligrams. I think that's the first step to this because injecting the pen into a vial, I was like, here we go. I'm gonna screw this up. And Arden was looking at me, like, watching this up. And I was like, No, hold on. She was staring at me. I think that's gonna be one of the first steps. Then you got to get, you know, I've had Dr Blevins on to talk about, you're gonna need, you know, people are gonna have to do research. It's gonna have to go through. The FDA, etc. But, I mean, at this point, I'm not the only one noticing this, right? You know, like the impacts it's having on inflammation for people, and all the other ways that we actually had a conversation. This is so early to be saying this out loud, but this is the end of the episode. So many, like real fans, are listening now, so listen. So everybody, listen to me. I don't know if this or any accuracy to this at all. Okay, Arden went through a time over the last couple of months where she was very spotty with her thyroid medication. So she went to the doctor yesterday, and she was real honest with the doctor. She says, I gotta tell you, I haven't been taking this. So doctor said, That's okay. Let's get you back on track. I want you on it for at least six weeks. We'll do your blood work again, make sure you're okay. And while we were sitting there, I said, Can I say something, and if she hasn't been taking her person with any regularity, I said, Arden, then that means you haven't been taking the t3 with any regularity, the cytome, right? And she said, No. And I'm like, where's exhausted? Arden,
Unknown Speaker 1:01:01
where's like, can't
Scott Benner 1:01:02
stay awake, sleeping 18 hours, no energy. Every time she sits down, she falls asleep garden, that person doesn't exist anymore. And the doctor and I looked at each other, and I said, I don't want to say what I'm thinking out loud, because I don't want to influence you. But and she goes, you think the GLP is doing something for and I said, Yeah, right. Doesn't that make sense? Because she wasn't taking the thyroid medication, but she is taking the GLP, and she's not exhausted. And if you've listened back long enough, like Arden would come home from high school fall asleep face down on, like, hard surfaces, yeah, absolutely, yeah. Like, couldn't, and without a t3 she couldn't, she couldn't function, but she's functioning completely fine. Doctor goes, All right, get back on the terrace and don't take the t3 let's see what happens. And I was like, okay, and she said, and we'll get your blood work done, make sure your levels are right, and then, just as an experiment, we'll start taking we'll take away a Tirath pill. And I'm like, Okay, I'm like, What do you think? And she goes, I don't know what I'm thinking, but let's experiment. And I was like, Okay, I have no idea how accurate any of that is. I might be talking right out of my ass, okay? And I want everybody to know that, but it's a conversation that was had, and we're going to look into it and see
Jason 1:02:19
what, what's up so, and if she feels better. I mean, that's, that's fantastic, yeah.
Scott Benner 1:02:24
And if you can take away medication, I'm always for that too, 100% Yeah. So anyway, all right, Jason, I can't thank you enough for this, and thank you for your service. That's really lovely, that you gave so much your life to the to the US armed forces and keeping us safe. I appreciate it very much. Appreciate it. Scott, thank you. No, it means a lot to me because I make a podcast. And obviously, if I've got a fight, we're all if it's down to me, if they're like, Scott, you help, I'll be like, Oh, God, has it gotten to this?
Jason 1:02:53
Well, yeah, hopefully we never get to that, right?
Scott Benner 1:02:55
We're in trouble. If you're asking me, Can I make a podcast about it? Is it possible I could talk incessantly about it? I think I could help there. There you go, dude, hold on one second for me,
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