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Trisha has had T1D for 30 years, she is 44 years old and is a high school counselor with 1,200 students and no school nurse on site.

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Scott Benner 0:00
Welcome back friends to another episode of The Juicebox podcast.

Tricia has had type one diabetes for 30 years. She is a high school counselor with 1200 students under her, 12 of them have type one diabetes, and there's no school nurse. We're going to talk about that. And it looks like there's a note here that says, Scott, you go off more than Clark Griswold in Christmas vacation when he finds out his bonus was a membership to the jelly of the Month Club. Seems like I'm going to go crazy in this one lucky you. Nothing you hear on the Juicebox podcast, should be considered advice medical or otherwise, always consult a physician before making any changes to your health care plan. Don't forget, if you're a US resident who has type one, or is the caregiver of someone with type one, visit T, 1d, exchange.org/juice box right now and complete that survey. It will take you 10 minutes to complete the survey, and that effort alone will help to move type one diabetes research forward. It will cost you nothing to help when you place your first order for ag one, with my link, you'll get five free travel packs and a free year supply of vitamin D drink. Ag one.com/juicebox, if you're looking for community around type one diabetes, check out the Juicebox podcast. Private Facebook group, Juicebox podcast, type one diabetes. The holidays are here, and you would like to give quality and comfortable gifts. I know you would head to cozy earth.com. Use the offer code Juicebox at checkout, save 40% off of your entire order. You'll be saving off of everything, your sheets, your towels. And ooh, look at this. Women stretch knit long sleeve bamboo pajama set. And look at this. They make them for men as well. This episode of The Juicebox podcast is sponsored by the insulin pump that my daughter wears, Omnipod. Learn more and get started today with the Omnipod dash or the Omnipod five. At my link, omnipod.com/juicebox

Tricia 2:10
My name is Tricia, and I have had type one for 30 years. I'm 44 years old. I'm a school counselor, and I have, this year, I have 10 kiddos with type one that I am in charge of, because we don't have a school nurse.

Scott Benner 2:28
What how big is the school? You have 10?

Tricia 2:30
Oh, we have 1200

Scott Benner 2:33
1200 kids. Yep, that's a lot of kids at a school.

Tricia 2:37
It is. It's a high school. And we have, we have a district nurse, but because of funding, and who the hell knows, what else you know, we don't have a school nurse. So

Scott Benner 2:49
I want to know what the Who the hell knows? What else feel like? There's a story there. There

Tricia 2:55
is, but I'm gonna leave it off the air frame.

Scott Benner 2:59
You're like, I have a short list of stupid people, and here are their thoughts. So you're a counselor at that school, not not a medical person, okay, correct?

Tricia 3:10
I'm a counselor. I have no medical training myself. My mom is a nurse, but I couldn't force her out of retirement to come be our school nurse. I've tried, trust me, that

Scott Benner 3:21
also doesn't make you a nurse. So no, my wife is smart, and it's not rubbing off on me at all. Oh, my God. How did you get this job?

Tricia 3:29
I've been a counselor at this school for about six years now, going into my seventh in the fall, and prior to that, I was in another district, and I had I was a counselor there as well. So this year was a little bit weird. Of my 10 kiddos with type one, six of them were freshmen this past school year, and of those six, five had doctor's orders that they either had to be supervised when giving their insulin, or that somebody at the school had to give their insulin. A couple of them are cognitively impaired, so they don't, they don't function at the level of a typical high school kid. They function, you know, a little bit lower. The district nurse said that she couldn't do it, but that she could train a para pro to do it okay, and that worked briefly, and the the person who was doing it just wasn't really great with kids. So I just said I'd take it

Scott Benner 4:31
over. We've got a person now they're bad with kids. Now I know this is a high school, so you're wondering, how did this happen? But how many people do you think, you know, in this business that are bad with kids? One, not a lot, right?

Tricia 4:47
Not a lot. Most people who go into education truly love kids, and that's why we go into

Scott Benner 4:53
this. Gotta be a basic thing. Like, you know, you're not like rolling out of high school thinking, you know, I want to be rich. I think I want to be an. High School teacher,

Tricia 5:01
exactly.

Scott Benner 5:05
Yeah, that's it. That struck me as odd anyway. Well, that's dumb luck, but, but,

Tricia 5:09
but, you know, there's, there's always those people like, you know, I mean, I'm sure that there's a comedian somewhere who was who isn't funny, right? So, like, there's, there's always those people who don't fit their jacks.

Scott Benner 5:19
I've already seen your Netflix special, and yes, I was like, I don't Am I gonna laugh at some point? What's going on here? Everyone else says you're funny. What's going on? I think that about me. People probably like, if my kids, I know, don't think I'm humorous at all. So, and I think most people would think that I have a reasonable sense I

Tricia 5:37
would say, I think you have a reasonable sense of humor. Yeah,

Scott Benner 5:39
thank you. Also, sure it's fair to say on the podcast, I can't actually take the leash off and let it run, you know what I mean? Because it's a podcast about diabetes, right? Yeah, if I was doing something else, and maybe then you'd hear the whole thing, but, but nevertheless, okay, so you, you. So now, now you have functional control over these kids, or they're helping themselves mostly, and you step in if necessary,

Tricia 6:03
mostly, they're helping themselves. I have two kiddos that I'm I'm doing everything. The one young lady actually graduated this year. Super proud of her, but she is blind, not from diabetes, but from another thing that happened in her life, and she's cognitively impaired, so she like she functions at about the level of a second grader. So I'm doing her work. And then the other young man, nothing wrong with his vision, but he's cognitively a little bit lower than her. So for those two, I do the shots. I do the testing. They're not on pumps, despite my efforts to, you know, convince their parents

Scott Benner 6:51
that's a weird line. How do you go about that? How do you how do you walk that line? Well,

Tricia 6:55
with the one mom you know, every time the class has a snack, or they go on a field trip or whatever, and you know, so the day is off from what it would normally be, and she usually goes on those out of school experiences with him to help manage because I can't, I have another 200 kids I'm in charge of. I can't just leave school, you know, willy nilly, but so during the whole time, she'll be calling me, what would you do here? What would you do there? And I'll be honest. I mean, I first started on a pump when I was 20, and I'm 44 now, so trying to figure out how to regulate, like on long acting and short acting insulin, I can do it when it's a schedule, but when there's unscheduled things, my mind has to do a lot of math. And, you know, so I told her at one point. I said, you know, if he was on, you know, say, like a tea slim, or any pump, really, we could reduce his basal if he was doing a lot of activity, and it would make life easier, or go into exercise mode or something like that, I said, but I can't give you medical advice for what, how much long acting to give him, because I'm not a doctor, but here's what I would do type of thing. And she's like, Well, do you think a pump is good? I said, Yeah, I think it would make your life easier. I'll be honest, you know, but, but you've got to do what's right for you absolutely. So she's kind of in the position that her, her or his endo doesn't, and I understand this as well. Doesn't necessarily want to go with a pump like T slim or Medtronic, just because that would give him the ability to play with it himself. And he's a kid who likes to play with computers, likes to play with phones, things like that, and so they're a little bit worried about anything like that's the kid. He's 15, and we

Scott Benner 8:48
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Tricia 10:02
yeah? Because he functions at about the level of a five or six year old. Got

Scott Benner 10:06
it? Okay, yep, yep. So he also makes sense. Then, you know, right,

Tricia 10:11
yeah, right. So that's, that's kind of his doctor's worry. And I can see that, you know, and mom doesn't want to try, like, looping, or anything like that where she could do it because she's scared of that technology, let's say, so I get it, you know, I get it.

Scott Benner 10:28
Is there a chance there'll be a day when the cognitive ability rises that level of this being a possibility? Yeah?

Tricia 10:36
Yep. I think if we could just get him, you know, up to about, like a fourth, fifth grade level, he could probably handle it where he would know enough, at least, not to just randomly push buttons. You know what? I mean?

Scott Benner 10:49
Yeah. What's it like to to feel like you're helping all these kids? Like, like when you stepped in and said, I'll do this. What was your first thought? Like, I just can't leave them with this person? You

Tricia 11:01
know, it's weird, like, my first thought was, well, I understand this, and they're comfortable with me, because they know if they're having a a low, like I'm talking now the kids who manage themselves for the most part, but I'm just there to kind of, you know, in an emergency situation, yeah, you know they're comfortable with me. They know I know how they're feeling because I've had this for 30 years. So I I get what it feels like to be low or to be high or to, you know, guess wrong on how much you're going to eat for lunch and not want it all and pay the results later. I know all of that. And so I was just thinking, you know, these are my people. I can help them. And I still feel that way. I think I got kind of frustrated with with the woman who was going to help them, because even though they were high school, it was almost like a blame game with her, um, you know, why are you low? Why are you high? And she didn't understand that when you're a teenager, hormones and food and exercise and, oh, my God, there's a pretty girl over there, like, for the boys, you know, like she didn't get it that that can cause their sugars to do unexpected things at times, right?

Scott Benner 12:09
Or the girls, Trisha, really doesn't matter. Yeah? No, absolutely no. Well, I

Tricia 12:15
only have one girl in this whole group, so I've been calling them my boys for the most part. Oh,

Scott Benner 12:19
I see. Oh, that makes sense. Yeah. Also boys, probably more so if we're being honest, they would come to her with their issues, and she was busy, like blaming them by saying, What did you do? How did this happen? Those sorts of things. Yeah,

Tricia 12:34
that's not valuable. It's not valuable. And instead, you know, when your blood sugar is 50 with a down arrow, the kid needs to fix that. He can't think of why it happened. Like, give him a chance to fix it so his brain can work again, right? But sugar spoiling,

Scott Benner 12:48
let's stop and be critical thinkers now, right? Yeah. Do you think if you would have eaten three more crackers, this wouldn't have happened? Lady, I'm dead. Yeah. Come on. So you step in, you obviously have more, I mean, you have a ton of experience, right? So how old were you when you were diagnosed, 1414, yep, and yep. That's a long ass time ago, 30 years, 90s. It was six. What was it? 9090? 690-494-9494, yep. What was management like for you growing up, and what were your outcomes like?

Tricia 13:21
Well, when I first was diagnosed, I mean, what I remember is I was, I was a freshman in high school. I'd always been into sports, right? So I was playing volleyball, and suddenly I couldn't serve overhand anymore, like I just couldn't do it. I didn't have the strength, and I couldn't figure out why. And I was like, Well, I'm drinking water all the time. I'm going to the bathroom all the time. Long story short, I got diagnosed, right? Yeah, and I use r and n, those were the insulins I had. And it was all about, like, the exchange meal, like it was, you know, eat this many carbs for breakfast and this much protein and have a snack at 10 and then eat lunch at noon. And honestly, that really didn't work for my life very well. Even back then,

Scott Benner 14:05
I bet you most people wouldn't believe that exchange diet and our insulin, etc, was still 1994 Oh, but it was, it was for sure, yeah, but I bet you most people wouldn't think that. You know what I mean. I'm sorry. Go ahead it didn't work for your lifestyle, because it doesn't really work for anybody's lifestyle. But go ahead. Anybody's lifestyle. But go ahead, right? So

Tricia 14:24
today's

Scott Benner 14:25
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Tricia 15:55
My mom found a new I don't remember who my first endocrinologist was, I'll be very honest, I don't even remember their name, but she found a new endocrinologist for me who was willing to to work with me more, and who actually taught me, taught me carb counting. Within the next, like, one or two years, I still had the R in the end, but at least I had a little bit more control, because she was willing to let me do like instead of taking all my R at, you know, 7am before breakfast, I could do a shot before breakfast, a shot, you know, half an hour, 45 minutes before lunch, shot before dinner, things like that to just help me out with when I wanted to eat and when I wanted to play sports and when I wanted to do all of that. Yeah, I don't remember when I was, I was initially switched to human log, I think, and I don't remember what year that was, I'll be honest. What I do know is that when I was 19, I was in college, I met a girl with an insulin pump when I was at school, and I was like, Oh, my God. What is that? And how does it work, right? And so I very shortly after meeting her, which to a Medtronic pump in between my sophomore and junior years of college. I think it was human log. Is that what I used in that? But it didn't have a sensor. It didn't have any of that. I mean, we didn't have that technology yet, but at least I had the pump. So I was only on short acting insulin and basal rates, and, you know, all of all of that good stuff, but still manually figuring everything out. I tried one of the very first Medtronic sensors back in my 20s, and I probably tried it at the wrong time. I had it put on two days before my best friend's wedding, and I was made of honor, and it just kept beeping during the ceremony, and I ripped it off.

Scott Benner 17:50
That's not a Medtronic ad that they want. I was gonna say, let us be fair to them. Was that like 2000 ish, like, yeah. I

Tricia 18:00
mean, it was years ago, but I like the idea

Scott Benner 18:02
of you dropping it in the champagne fountain here, like, oh my god, this thing. No,

Tricia 18:07
it was literally like, we're walking back, you know. So they do the ceremony. We're walking back down the aisle after the bride and groom. And the guy was standing up with I had known for years. It was her brother's best friend, and I know on him forever. And I think, Dave, I'm ripping this thing off. I'll be right back for pictures.

Scott Benner 18:30
We're gathered here today be does anyone, anyone who thinks that these two people should not be baby? Yep, I'm sorry. I'm sorry. Was there a lot of everybody,

Tricia 18:44
and everybody was so understanding that I was mortified. Oh, sure the

Scott Benner 18:49
hell no, listen, I think, I think ever since would want me to mention that if you had an ever since implantable CGM, you could have taken the transmitter off and then popped it right back on after the photos. Yeah, it

Tricia 18:59
would have been great

Scott Benner 19:02
ever since.com/juicebox but that's, well, listen, I like you in on technology early. Obviously, those of you who went and got that stuff early on are probably a large part about why. You know it still exists in perseverance today and has gotten better and better, because the message back then, even though it wasn't perfect, and you'd hear people say, like, oh my god, that Medtronic thing. It's like a harpoon, or, like, it doesn't work, or you always have to do this with it, but you the rest of what people would say is, but I wish it worked better, because I love it, right? Yeah, I want this. Yep,

Tricia 19:37
yeah, yep. But, you know, but I'll be honest, that scared me off of CGM for a while. I don't need to be just a beeping, you know,

Scott Benner 19:48
ruining wedding season for sure.

Tricia 19:53
The way I got back to using a CGM and as a result of a better system for. Me on in my, in my, I'm gonna say early to mid 30s, because I can't it was a long diagnosis, but I was diagnosed with Addison's disease, and I was going low for unknown reasons, and, yeah, like passing out and couldn't figure out what's wrong. And and my family was like, you either put a CGM on or you're never leaving the house, you know what I mean?

Scott Benner 20:23
Stop going to weddings, because we don't want you to fall into your head,

Tricia 20:26
right? And so at that time, I got a Dexcom. I was still using the Medtronic pump at the time because it wasn't like out of warranty yet, but I quickly switched to a tea slim, just because I kind of liked the direction. I mean, teesla wasn't, like, hooked up with Dexcom yet, but it seemed like they were going to, you know what I mean. So I got on that path, let's say, and it worked a lot better for me. And then a few years ago, when Omnipod five came out, I went that route, and that's what I'm on now, and I use it in automated so,

Scott Benner 20:58
oh, cool. Hey, guess what? This is interesting. Today you and I are recording OmniPods. Going to announce Omnipod five with

Tricia 21:08
I know I got the email. Yeah, okay, I did. I'm

Scott Benner 21:12
getting the all the low down in the skinny will be sent over to me later today. I think I might make a special podcast episode about it put up on the weekend so people know it's going to be a one of the other situation, though

Tricia 21:21
I know, and I don't know which way I want to go, I'll be honest. Like, I mean, I've been on the g6 forever, and it works great. Don't get me wrong. Like I have nothing against the g6 and I would love to have just one device, because I'm an iPhone person, and one device would be beautiful. Because even as a, you know, 44 year old woman in charge of all of these kids with type one, I leave my PDM behind at times. Not gonna lie, right? So, so it would be great. But on the other hand, having that ability with the g7 to like, do the whole thing where, like, you put on like, you put on the one and let it pre soak so that you don't have any time without readings. Like, that's super attractive to me. Pretty hot. Works great, too. Yeah. And the whole like, transmitter is in the sensor and, Oh, that. It all just sounds wonderful. So I don't know which way I want to

Scott Benner 22:15
go, for people who don't know what we're saying at launch. It's Omnipod five app for iPhone, compatible with g6 or Omnipod five, integration with Dexcom g7 it's one or the other. So if you want to do Omnipod five with the g7 you don't get the iPhone app yet. And if you want the iPhone app, you don't get the g7 yet.

Tricia 22:37
Yes, yeah, which makes it a hard decision. It's

Scott Benner 22:39
a bit of a warrant. One, I So, what do you think I need? Which way does the wind blow for you on this?

Tricia 22:49
So honestly, when I saw my initial was, I'd probably go to the g7 because I like the whole one device. I like the whole you can be without you can always know your readings. I love the whole talk to Apple Watch thing because then I just don't even necessarily need to have my phone on me. You know what I mean? I love all of that, and it's not a huge deal to me to carry the two devices that being said, I deserve the right to change my mind tomorrow. I mean, I'm really torn. I'll be honest. I

Scott Benner 23:28
hear you, yeah, now, well, you do what you'll do, but I mean, listen, if I got the vote, I would g6 with iPhone app. Okay, man. I mean, I Arden's been wearing g7 forever. Yeah,

Tricia 23:41
yeah. I've heard, I've heard, and the thing that kept her away from the five was that she had to carry the two devices. Yeah,

Scott Benner 23:47
I wouldn't go backwards. Like, if, I mean, you're putting me in a I'm putting myself in a false position where I'm deciding. But if Arden said to me, Hey, I want to go back to g6 so I can have an iPhone app, and she was using Omnipod five, and I go, whatever you want to do is fine. But like, for my money, if it was me, if I was already on g7 I would just stay and because I got to assume the iPhone apps coming at some point. And like, that would be, that would be my thinking. I don't know if that's right or not, but that's what I would think. Like, I don't know, and I

Tricia 24:18
might just wait and let other people, like, try it out. Like, try it out. Like, try both them out at first, and then make up my mind, and maybe by that time, they'll have the g7 for the iPhone. Who knows?

Scott Benner 24:27
Yeah, well, sick, okay, or

Tricia 24:29
maybe not. I mean, I'm being overly optimistic there. I

Scott Benner 24:32
don't know it's got it, like, obviously, there's a lot about the process that that we don't understand, right? That's what I think. Because when people are like, Why don't they just or, how come it takes so long, or whatever? Like, I don't know. What do you think they're like, sitting in the office, like, playing ping pong and going, like, should we get back to it? You know what I mean? Like, it's my assumption. Is they're working as fast and as hard as they can, and this is how long it takes, you know? So, right? Who knows? Maybe I'm wrong. People, they're playing ping pong. I have no idea. I'm just saying it makes sense to me, the one way that it's weird to complain about stuff like that, like, as if the company is like, Nah, screw it.

Tricia 25:10
No. I mean, and you know, having type one for 30 years, like, I'm just so thankful that we're at where we're at, like, yeah, it's so much different from, you know, the the days of my exchange diet and R and so I'm just, I'm grateful that that we have these choices now, right? Came

Scott Benner 25:28
pretty far, pretty fast with the technology. That's for sure, absolutely Are you and you're using which pump now,

Tricia 25:35
Omnipod, five you're on? Okay,

Scott Benner 25:38
right? For sure. I it's funny, because even though that's what we've been talking about, like, when you said about the kids, you're like, I don't know, maybe we should get them, like, a tea slim or something. I'm like, it's interesting that you didn't suggest the pump that you use.

Tricia 25:49
Well, here's my reason why, because you have to know their doctor. Their doctors are all very anti Omnipod. Unfortunately, now I have a couple of the kids are on OmniPods, and they're independent, and they're doing fantastic. In fact, one of them, one of my boys, who's actually in hence going into 11th grade. Now, he did not have very good control at all as a freshman, and he switched to the Omnipod five last summer, and he is doing so much better. I'm so proud of him, because he was a kiddo who just didn't want to ever he had to have a private spot to take a shot, a private spot to eat food if he needed it or whatever. And now he's just like, oh, do to do. I'm done. I'm good. I can go, You know what I mean. And so I love it for him, and I love it for my other young man who's on it like they're both doing fantastic, but unfortunately, the kiddos who I really think could benefit from the pump all have one certain doctor in my state who is every time their parents bring up pumps, the only one he mentions is T slim, because I think it's because it's What he's comfortable with, type of thing. Yeah, happens all the time. And, you know, and to me, I mean, both work well, I like both. For me, the Omnipod works better. And so if I had my choice, yeah, I'd be pushing them all to the Omnipod Absolutely. I have better control on the Omnipod. I don't. I had a lot of trouble on T slim. I could never dial in my settings enough overnight, or I would dial them in too much, or, I don't know how to explain it, but like, I would go low at least once a week, to where I'd have to wake up and get something that doesn't happen on the Omnipod. For me, I get sleep. It's fantastic. And I'm not going that high either. You know, I might go up to like 120 but it's not horrible. And I come right back down to around 90 to 110, type of thing, you know. But I'm seeing that in the morning, when I wake up and look at the graph, I don't have to wake up and get myself there talk

Scott Benner 27:49
to people a little bit about how important that is, that you've 30 years in the sleep. Seriously, like the sleep part, like, how has that changed your life? Amazing.

Tricia 27:59
It changed my life. I mean, I'll be honest, it's, I mean, I was never one as a teenager when I was first diagnosed. It's not like my I mean, my parents were very supportive, don't get me wrong, but they didn't wake up and check me at like, 2am or something like that. It was just, you know, hopefully she's okay. As soon as I started wearing a CGM and being a little bit more mature myself and finger pricking more reliably in the middle of the night just to see where I was at. You know, I might be 41 night, I might be 190 another night, and I'd have to either eat or take insulin. Then you don't get that right back to sleep. It's not like you suck down your juice box and go right to sleep, because you have to wait for those numbers to come up, and it's just, it's a sleep is so wonderful. I don't know how to explain it. I function better. I'm able to not have to take a nap after work. I'm able to, you know, cook and clean and work and exercise and play with my dog and all of that without going I just want to sit on the sofa because I didn't sleep last night. Yeah.

Scott Benner 29:06
Anyway, it's really important. And what, and where's your one seat at right now? Like, how are your outcomes?

Tricia 29:11
It's been between like a five four and a five six for about the three years that I've been on Omnipod now.

Scott Benner 29:18
And do you have an eating style that's specific or No,

Tricia 29:22
honestly, no, I'm not low carb, I'm not keto, I'm not I'm not somebody who's going to go to a fast food restaurant every day, because I don't think it's healthy. But I just eat a normal, what I would call a normal diet. You know, I might have some eggs and maybe a piece of toast in the morning and maybe some soup and fruit for lunch and a snack mid afternoon, if I'm hungry, if not. You know, supper is usually like tonight. For supper I made, it's in the crack pot, but it's just I didn't feel like cooking today. It's, it's 90 degrees here in Michigan, so I'm not cooking right now. Yeah. But it, you know, I just threw some chicken and cheese and rice in the crock pot the moraine, and we'll have that tonight so

Scott Benner 30:09
they can do 70 or more carbs a day, no problem. Yeah, absolutely, right, absolutely Well, good for you. What? What, a what. There's an ad for Omnipod, omnipot.com/juice, box. Seriously, that's an Omnipod five ad right there. That's fantastic. What? And your activity level can't be, no offense, can't be great. You're sitting in a school

Tricia 30:27
all day. No, it's not. I mean, I would love to say I exercise, you know, five days a week, I don't, I don't. And what I call my fake job, I do breed and show dogs, which is weird, and I'm not going to get into all of that, but I have to keep the dogs in shape, so I will take them for walks and things like that daily. But we're talking like a mile. Maybe it's not hard running or anything like that. You know, it's not, not anything huge. How

Scott Benner 30:53
many dogs have you had in your lifetime?

Tricia 30:56
Oh, that's a great question. I honestly don't know a lot. Something I was born into. I currently have seven.

Scott Benner 31:03
Okay, let me ask you a question. Yeah, this is gonna feel like a big left turn. Don't bum out on me. Okay. No, you're good. All right. Tricia, hold tight with me. Okay, okay, we have to put our oldest dog down tomorrow. I

Tricia 31:16
was worried you were going to ask me that. Okay, yeah, go on.

Scott Benner 31:19
How do you know you're doing the right thing?

Tricia 31:21
I think if you feel like it's time, you know it's the right thing. If you know that your dog isn't having the quality of life that makes your dog happy, and that when you look at your dog, you feel more sad than happy, then you kind of know it's the right time.

Scott Benner 31:39
That's good advice. Okay, he's over 16 years old, first of all, and he's had a great life, and it's been a fantastic, genuinely wonderful pet, great companion for everybody. And over the last, you know, couple years, walking has gotten harder for him, but in in the last year, it's more difficult. He needs a ramp to go downstairs now,

Tricia 32:01
right?

Scott Benner 32:02
He is incontinent, like he has he has sun downers like in the two cataracts. Can't see, Can't hear you approach him, you're you scare the crap out of him when you're standing next to him and talking to him, and there's no life in his face anymore, like you don't. He doesn't seem to go from happy to sad, to tired, or anything like that. It just stares a lot. Yeah, it's yeah, it's hard. We're

Tricia 32:26
getting pretty close. I mean, this sounds horrible, and it's not to make you upset, but when they get to that point, in my opinion, it's not a day too early, but it could be a day too late. And what I mean, what I mean by that is, if you wait too long, then then they're suffering, right? Yeah, and we're lucky enough to be able to do that for our pets, so that's,

Scott Benner 32:51
I appreciate that. Thank you. And that's the mindset we've taken. We've gotten advice from a number of places, taken all the online quizzes, and then in the end, you start having that thought. Like, like, what you just said, like, if, if tomorrow's too soon, but next Thursday is too late, right? What are we trading Exactly? Yeah, so it's but then it seems like it becomes more about you than them. Yep, yeah. We're trying not for that to happen anyway, we've arranged someone to come to the house and do it. Oh, good, yeah, that we're gonna bury him here on our property too. Okay, are the kids home right now? They are. That's another reason, and that's good. Yeah. We tried to imagine doing this when, like, Arden was in college or something, and it just felt like crazy, like, what were we gonna just call her and tell her we had to put Indy to sleep and like she can't do anything about that? With those feelings? You know, she's stuck there by herself. And it just felt like, even at that, like even if now while she's home, even if he could maybe stretch it out a couple of more months, it might be more detrimental to him and to other people to wait. This is such a strange thing. You know,

Tricia 34:04
it's and it's hard. It's one of those hard decisions. And I think this is going on another tangent, but you stay with me now. So okay, you know my my grandma, who lived with us my whole life, died of cancer when I was in my early 20s, and she looked at me about a week before she passed, and she said, if I was a dog, you and your dad would have put me out of my suffering by now.

Scott Benner 34:31
Oh my gosh, yeah. What a straightforward lady,

Tricia 34:36
but, but, I mean, she was right.

Scott Benner 34:38
I mean, we would have, you know, take all the pencils from her. Then when she said that, yeah, gloves, yeah,

Tricia 34:42
we cleared her bed, you know?

Scott Benner 34:45
Well, I was gonna say something similar, without the anecdote about my grandmother. When my mom was done, I was like, Let's get her out of this as fast as we can. Yep, and for some reason, when it's my dog. Hug. I was like, I don't know he could probably hang on a little longer. And I think the difference in those initial reactions because I've come around on Indy, but I think the difference in the initial reactions is that my mom could could communicate with me, and so I was sure this is right. And whereas with him, I'm like, what if I'm just misinterpreting this? That's the fear. But I'm beyond that. Now I think, I think we're pretty sure we're doing the right thing. Yeah,

Tricia 35:28
take it from me as somebody who, well, this is another change, but I was literally born because a veterinarian figured out how to keep my mom pregnant. My mom had a lot of miscarriages before I was born. For real,

Scott Benner 35:42
your mom like a cocker spaniel or what? What's going on there?

Tricia 35:45
No, my mom's a human being. Makes more sense. My mom, my mom would have miscarriages in her second trimester, which is unusual, right? Like normally, if you get through the first trimester, you're good to go and her OB GYN, could not figure out why, and and she and my dad were heartbroken. And personally, I don't know why they kept trying, like I don't, I guess I'm glad. Don't get me

Scott Benner 36:11
wrong, I'm glad I'm here.

Tricia 36:13
Yeah, I mean, just as a as a woman, if that had been me, I would have just given up and either adopted or just that I'm not having kids or whatever, right? So my dad, at the time, was doing some research with a veterinarian who where dogs were basically, they call it reabsorption in dogs, but it's a miscarriage, right? Like they're pregnant and then they're not, and they never have the puppies. And what they found out in the dogs is that the dogs levels of progesterone were dropping dangerously low, and that's why the puppies were not making it to term. Okay, so my mom went to her OB GYN and I was born at like a hospital that specialized in difficulties, and they gave her more progesterone, and she was able to carry me to term. I'll

Scott Benner 37:04
be damned. That's crazy. I also want to point out that I wasn't saying that we put my mom to sleep. No, I know, but I will say this, and I have no trouble saying this. She was in hospice on morphine, and they give her a certain amount, she was clearly not gonna wake up, and if she woke up, she was gonna wake up to having cancer throughout her body again and like and it wasn't, it wasn't happening anyway, trust me. And when I had to leave where she was, but my one brother stayed behind, and I said to him on the way out, hey, they gave you that button for extra morphine. You're allowed to push it every five minutes. Yep, I was like, push it every in five minutes. Like, I'm so sorry I can't do it. But like, sit here and push that goddamn button all day. Get her, like, get her out of this, you know. And seriously, then I my a year do you know? I can't believe this is happening, but Indy's gonna pass of our choosing on the first anniversary of my mom's passing.

Tricia 38:03
Oh my gosh, yeah,

Scott Benner 38:04
the timing's just insane. Like, I called and I was like, I need an appointment. You know, it should be this week. Blah, blah, blah. Person picks the date. I look on the calendar and I'm like, oh my god, this is crazy. I appreciate it. I'm sorry. It was such a long you great dogs. How lovely.

Tricia 38:21
Give me some advice. No,

Scott Benner 38:23
I would imagine, is it not easy to have for dogs that have sex and make puppies? Or is there something to it?

Tricia 38:30
It depends on the dog, really. So my dogs, my dogs, it's no problem. They're like, I have beagles and Alaskan Malamutes, which I don't breed them together, like they stay apart, but I was born into my all meets, and I got involved in beagles when I was in my early 20s. Yeah, for my particular breeds, it's not an issue, like, you know, the girl comes and he the boy gets excited, and they do what dogs do. But for some breeds, like Bulldogs, for example, they can't do it naturally, because they're not built to do it naturally like the girls. The girls are too small to take the mail and,

Scott Benner 39:10
holy hell, this took a turn. Go ahead.

Tricia 39:15
I'm like, How do I go? I don't know special

Scott Benner 39:16
genre, though, of whatever we're talking about. Yes. So,

Tricia 39:20
so there are certain breeds of dogs that it is not done naturally, and that they don't birth the puppies naturally, because the puppies are like, their heads are too big to come out. A Bulldog is an example of this, right? Yes, a bulldog is an event. Like

Scott Benner 39:35
we stopped breeding Bulldogs. They wouldn't exist in one generation. Well,

Tricia 39:39
it might take a couple. I mean, you might have some really determined ones. Yeah,

Scott Benner 39:43
a real Bulldog, right? Yeah, really not to get in there. I hear what you're saying. Okay, when does it stop being weird? What? How many years into it until you're like, Oh, I'm like, a pornographer for dogs. Like, seriously, when does it just become like, really, like, old hat, not. Talk to you.

Tricia 40:00
It is already, I mean, I was born into it, right? So, like, this is a horrible story, but it's funny. Like, when I go out with my what I call my dog friends, right? Like, if we're at a show and we go out to dinner, or something like that, the poor waitresses are shocked at some of the crap we're talking about. But it's just natural. It's dinner conversation,

Unknown Speaker 40:20
all right? I don't want

Tricia 40:22
to hear it. No, I'm not going to share it with you. You don't

Scott Benner 40:25
have to do anything that they have to do when they breed horses, right? You're not like that involved, are you?

Tricia 40:29
I have been Yes. Oh

Scott Benner 40:30
my goodness, Trisha, thank you for telling me that I appreciate this. I don't know what this episode is going to be called, but I think there's going to be a euphemism in the title. That's for sure. Actually, I don't. I wouldn't know how to do that. I don't think I could get that past the sensors. You know what I

Tricia 40:47
mean? I'll email you some phrases that we use. I don't want to say them on air. I

Scott Benner 40:51
want to say any of them. Give me one, just what's your favorite one?

Tricia 40:54
Give me a minute to think.

Scott Benner 40:56
I don't take your time. I don't know. We'll go back to the diabetes while you're chatting to the diabetes.

Tricia 41:00
That's easier right now.

Scott Benner 41:03
Watch this as I just move effortlessly from what I think is a well, you know, I

Tricia 41:09
had a dog with diabetes there.

Scott Benner 41:11
I mean, I'm getting ready to like, pivot from like. What I think is you telling me about manually manipulating a dog to like. Your note here that says I want to talk about my boys and our school adventures this year.

Tricia 41:25
Oh, that sounds bad. Yeah, I

Scott Benner 41:27
could have probably paced this differently. I apologize, but let's just get past that. It's homecoming. My day started with one of my boys having a low blood sugar seizure at the bus stop.

Tricia 41:36
Oh, god, yeah. What happened this one was this one was interesting. So much happened on homecoming, Scott, you don't even want to know.

Scott Benner 41:45
I think I do want to know, because Tell me. Tell me, seriously, what? What happened at homecoming? So I

Tricia 41:51
was gonna call him D, because I don't want to use his name. D has a seizure waiting for his bus. His mom calls me in a panic because I work in a I work in a school that, let's just say, is not very high socio economic status, right? So, like, parents don't have cars to get to their kids to assist with these types of things. I see, okay, you know, I go driving over there. I dial 911, on the way, because I don't want this kid dying. And, you know, I get there around the same time EMS does, and he's no longer speaking, but he's definitely unconscious. The EMS workers who, who, they're fantastic. Don't get me wrong, like we have some great people in our city here. You know, they're looking at me, and I'm like, he has type one. He's really low. I don't know what his number is, I need to find his phone, but just shoot him with some D 50 now, like, just take my word on it. They get him out of it. I call mom back, let her know he's okay, and she was like, Well, do they have to take him to the hospital? I said, Well, that's up to you here. Talk to the people like they're willing to let him come to school, but they kind of need you to get here. Do you have a way here? You know, legally, I can't drive him back to school. She was able to find a ride from a neighbor, and got there, and he came to

Scott Benner 43:11
but so you were able to get him a ride to school, so we're able to get him to school.

Tricia 43:15
He's doing all right. Meanwhile, another kiddo I had, who we'll call T who was a recent transplant to our school. He came here from another state. Didn't know this kid real well. He was in 12th grade, but he was not well controlled at all. He didn't he didn't have the means to take care of himself. You know, his he had a very sad situation. He moved back in with his mom, but his mom had lost custody when of him. When he was younger, he'd been living with a family member who passed away, so he's dealing with all of that, and his blood sugar was usually high, sometimes low, just roller coaster. We had a pep assembly. It was in the gym because it was raining. I was standing kind of by, like by one of the walls in the gym, watching the kids do whatever they do during pub assemblies, bands and cheerleaders and all that stuff. And so T comes up to me, and he's like, I don't feel good. And I was like, Well, what do you mean? You don't feel good? Well, I think I need to go to the bathroom. I need I might need to throw up. And I said, Okay, so let me go out there with you. So he goes into the bathroom, takes about five minutes, comes up. I was like, why don't you check your blood sugar for me? So he checks, and it just reads high. And I was like, oh boy,

Scott Benner 44:37
yeah, figured that part out.

Tricia 44:39
I said, I'm thinking you have some ketones. I said, When was the last time you took your insulin? Because this is a kid who just would forget to take his insulin, and it's about 1010, 30 in the morning at this point. He was like, Uh, I think yesterday at lunch, when you made me? Wow. Okay, great, great.

Scott Benner 44:57
Jesus. And this. It a pump or an MDI? Yeah. So do we even know that? Does the person even are they even shooting their basal insulin? Probably

Tricia 45:09
right, probably not. Probably not. Oh, geez. So I try to get hold of his mom. Remember I told you she had lost custody earlier in his life, and I call a couple times, and all I'm getting is voicemail, and I'm like, bud, do you remember? Like, where's mom? Is she at work? Where's she at? And he was like, Oh, she she went to a party. Okay,

Scott Benner 45:29
I need more parties during the day. Trisha, I gotta be honest with you, I've never been to a 11am party in my life, but it sounds amazing. It does,

Tricia 45:37
yeah, yeah. I'm like, okay, and it was a Friday, so I'm trying to think the best thoughts, like, maybe she was going to a wedding or something, and they were starting. I'm trying to think positive thoughts about this. Okay, a little

Scott Benner 45:49
this is water in you. I see it. Let's just think the best of people. I like that. I try to ride like that myself. Okay,

Tricia 45:55
so I'm like, okay, buddy, is there some she's the only person on his emergency card. I was like, Is there somebody else? Because school is going to get out in half an hour, and I am not comfortable sending you home because you have high ketones. Your blood sugar is over 600 I kind of want to call 911, but at the same time, I don't want to do that without knowing there's somebody to pick you up when you know what I mean? Yeah. I'm like, and so he was like, well, one of my cousins goes to and he named a different school in town. You can try her mom. I said, Okay, do you have her number? And he's not thinking clearly at this time for obvious reasons. And he's like, Well, I don't know. I said, Well, give me your phone. What's her name. Let me try to find this person so I get hold of like, it would be like his step Aunt, I guess I would say, like, it's not a biological person. And I was like, Look, do you have a way to get hold of his mom to get permission if I 911 I said, I think he really needs some IVs right now. Like, he needs fluids. He needs insulin in and I'm not equipped to do that at this time with his shot. Like he needs more than I can do. I can't give the fluids. I said, Can you like, can you get hold of his mom and tell her that she needs to get hold of me. Like, here's my cell phone, here's my work phone. Help me out. And she was like, Yep, I will. So I wait. I did call 911, I wait like, two hours. The woman finally calls me back and then chews me out because I interrupted her day.

Scott Benner 47:29
Well, she was at a party. Yeah? And you know, once you get that vibe going, I know, I know, it's hard to get it back. Sometimes, you know what I mean, like you feel in the music and you're like, it's right there in your hips, and then somebody, like, comes up and harsh. And harshes your vibe, and then all of a sudden, what are you supposed to do? Just go find it again. It's difficult. Why don't you try thinking about other people sometimes? Okay? Can you imagine I would just be like, Oh no, it's okay. You're welcome, right? No good deed. Thank you. By the way, this day after school, you could be home.

Tricia 48:03
I could be Yeah, but I'm not. You

Scott Benner 48:07
could have been like, Hey kid, good luck. Hope you don't die. See ya, I gotta go watch. The Price Is Right, but not you. No, you're trying to help. I see okay, yeah, I don't know what to say. I do like you telling this story, because I get worried sometimes that some of the people listening could think like, oh, the world I live in where I chase down my five, four, my six, three, A, 1c, and I'm, you know, I didn't know how to do this, but then I found a podcast, and I got better at it, and blah, blah, blah. Like, I think they think that's how everybody is, but most people are the story you're telling with diabetes. It's sad, but a lot of people are living really tight rope kind of lives with their health. And I appreciate you telling the story, and I appreciate you sticking up for the kid and doing something. It's nice, you know.

Tricia 48:49
Oh my gosh. Oh, that's thank you so much. And there we go. And but what I was going to start telling you was, what this did you have to hear this part? Because, yes, it's kudos to you. But so this, this whole homecoming, I

Scott Benner 49:01
don't know I was gonna get some kudos. Go ahead. You're gonna, you're gonna get some kudos.

Tricia 49:05
Scott, so this whole homecoming episode, I went, how am I gonna help these kids? Because I can't live like this. I can't, I can't worry as much as I'm worrying about these children, sure. And so I started making them listen to the podcast during what we call it's like a study hall. I won't say what we call it, because then you might know where I work. But like, we have two days a week we have a study hall. Okay? So my children would come down to my office and I just play them random little podcast episodes. And then we started diving into, like, the ones that are actually educational, but I had to get them with some entertaining ones. First, how entertaining? Well, we weren't talking about, like, dog manipulation. Well,

Scott Benner 49:52
thank God, because I think that gets you fired, if I'm being honest. But I mean, honestly, I like you, and I think I'd have you kicked out if you were doing that. I feel like Trisha seems okay, but she's unstable. Listen to what she's telling the kids. Did they take something from it,

Tricia 50:06
and so most of them did. In fact, one of them kind of funny. So he I feel bad for this kid. And like, this sounds horrible, but in my brain, if he just had, like, parents who at all were more capable of understanding he'd be so much better off. But his parents are a little bit older, and his dad has type two and doesn't seem to really understand the difference between type one and type two. So anyway, take a long story short, this kid went from like averaging about 220 at lunchtime, and about, I don't know, 250 on the bus side home to now he's down to about 130 to 160 so he took it to heart, because he was given the tools, you know, to learn better how to take care of himself. He just, he just wouldn't be Bolus, like, if he had, like, a fat or protein rise his he didn't understand that he needed to maybe take a little bit more when that was happening, right?

Scott Benner 51:11
Wait, so tell me where he started and where he ended up. The beginning

Tricia 51:14
of the year, he was consistently 220, to 250, sometimes even 300 okay, like, and so now, I mean, school is out now for the kids, but you know, a week ago was our last day, very consistently, like 120 to 160 Oh, my

Scott Benner 51:31
goodness, isn't that great? Yeah, yeah, it's awesome. Yep. Shame you can't listen to this because of the filth you talked about in the middle. But I'll just

Tricia 51:39
fast forward.

Scott Benner 51:42
But I'd love to say, congratulations. That's, that's really something.

Tricia 51:45
I mean, they didn't all have that big of a you know? I mean, not all of them, but he really took it to heart. Another one of the kills was a little bit, I shouldn't say, different, but just different from what most people experience. I think he was diagnosed three years ago, and his honeymoon lasted about two and a half years, like it lasted forever. And so he was a kid who, at the beginning of the year, was always taking 1.5 units of insulin for about 36 to 40 grams of carbs, and his blood sugar was always like 90 to 120 I mean, it was beautiful, but it was not where he ended up at the end of the year. So at the end of the year, he just started creeping up, like higher and higher, to some days where he was mid to high 200 and then he would crash. He would go down to about 40, and it was just very much a roller coaster. Um, he's on MDI, but he does have a Dexcom. He was one at the beginning of the year that was like, I don't need the podcast. Like, I'm perfect anyway, right? Yeah. But then when he started coming out of his honeymoon, he would come down to my office, if he got done with his lunch early, and be like, Hey, can you turn on another episode for me of one of those, like, Pro Tip series, because I need to figure this stuff out. But still, and I'd be like, Okay, no problem. How old? How old 14?

Unknown Speaker 53:04
Oh, yeah.

Tricia 53:05
It was awesome.

Scott Benner 53:07
You know, Trisha, you made my day. I took I took it today from the internet, and this was nice to hear. Well, yeah, no, seriously, it's very helpful, because, you know, I listen, I don't listen to people, right? It's fine if they want to say whatever they want to say, right? It's all fine. But somebody in in one of those private Facebook groups, they they keep lying about Arden, they're touching your kid. And I took it for a while, but I was like, I'm gonna swing back now, absolutely, yeah, yes, I put up a little thing today too. I mean, this will be six months old by the time people hear it. So good luck finding it. But, you know, I just made it very clear that, you know, I mean, she gonna lie, you're gonna lie, whatever. It's fine. But like, stay pointed at me. You don't even like Yeah, yeah, I'm your target. You don't like me, which is fine. And I told them, Trisha, I was very eloquent my note, but what I said was I told them that I know they think they're surrounded by their followers, but a lot of those people think they're crack pots, and frequently send me complete screenshots of the horrible things and lies that they say and that I know they think in their little b Facebook group that gets a post or two a day, and there's a couple people in it, they think that that's the whole world. If I expose them to the public, they're gonna understand what the spotlight really means. So this podcast has an insane reach, absolutely and I have every horrible thing they've ever seen said screenshot, and I'd be happy to make it public if they don't stop. I was much more eloquent when I said it right.

Tricia 54:52
I have to go find it when we're done. Yeah, yeah. I

Scott Benner 54:54
mean, I'd read it to you here. I'll tell you what. For fun, I can give you the last bit of it. Give me a second here. Got to make a click on something here. Now it built, by the way, it was very thoughtful at the beginning, and it's really very contextual, and gives a whole, full feeling. And then at the end, it said this, the next person who lies about my kid in their private Facebook group or lies about what I share about diabetes is going to find out what it means to be called out on a worldwide podcast. Trust me, it won't be as low impact as when you talk your slanderous on your beat ass little Facebook group that no one sees you. Think you're in this game, but you're not. But keep you up your shit and you will be and I bet that you can't take it. Take some advice from someone who actually knows what it means to be in the spotlight, your unstable little nut will crack real fast when the public calls you out. Right now, you're in a one sided war. Don't drag me into it, because if you get me started, I'm gonna win. My best advice is to shut your mouth. I know you think you're in some little safe place surrounded by your people, but news flash, a number of them think you're a crackpot, and they send me a lot of screen captures. One day, one of you is going to push me past my significant ability to turn the other cheek. Be clear. I will post your words just as you type them for the world to see. And I actually reach people that wet match of yours doesn't want this flame more. Now I finished here, Trisha, I said, Now crawl back into your whole scumbag and don't mention my daughter again and to your minions. If you leave my group today, I won't include you in this. If it blows up, stay and you're all fair game. You've all sucked the Master's teeth in writing, and I have those screen caps too. Now go off and tell your leader what I said. You hear me clapping? Two pointed, two pointed. Trisha, how'd I do?

Tricia 56:37
Very good. And out of two,

Scott Benner 56:39
you did great. Tired of Mother curse Jesus Christ like and by the way, I want to be very clear to say that it's not 99.9% of people is an is even, like, an understatement. It's barely a 10th of a percent when

Tricia 56:53
you've just gotten somebody's child that's different, that changes all the rules. I mean, yes,

Scott Benner 56:58
but also, like, don't lie. There's plenty of things you could say about me to make your point that would be 100% true. Why make something up? And it's all the time goes back years. I'll never forget this one lady, and by the way, I have your screen cap still too, honey. I'll never forget this one lady who told what they call, I don't know, you know, Yiddish, a Bucha Meister made up a whole story about how they know me personally, and behind the scenes, I quietly take money from people to set up their blood sugars. And I'm like, I've never done that in my entire life. I don't even know what they're talking about. Like, so I read what she wrote to this person, and I swear to you, it's paragraphs of just make believe. Oh, my goodness. And when you really look at what she was doing, and again, this one was yours, right? If you this is not a new this happens to me like, I got, I'm a ducks back. I don't care, like, you know what I mean, like, but you shouldn't, shouldn't mention my kid. And so, like, this stuff goes on and on forever, and I'm used to it. It's, it's, by the way, the same group of people over a decade, I know they all must think that they're the pinnacle of their space, but trust me, there's been lunatics that came before you that are gone and you'll be gone one day too. What I realized when I read this one paragraph was all this person was trying to do was to defame me, to keep this other person in their Facebook group. That's all they care about, is not letting you

Tricia 58:21
out of their group. Because, if you right, well, because

Scott Benner 58:25
if you go somewhere else and find out what a bunch of lunatics they are, you're not coming back and they want they it's some bizarre power move that, like, I mean, and Trisha, there's no power in being the admin of a Facebook group. And if that feels powerful to you. You need a

Tricia 58:41
therapy that powerful. It's just a lot of work,

Scott Benner 58:45
and it's one of the things that I listen I enjoy that community so much. I love what it does for people, and the day I don't have to take care of it anymore. I'm gonna go on vacation. It's such trouble, you know, and not again, not from the good people. It's the tiny percent of

Tricia 59:01
that little percentage I get it. I mean, I Oh, you know, in my dog world, I'm an admin of a Facebook group that does not reach nearly as many people as you do, but I've wanted to quit several times. That's

Scott Benner 59:13
insane. Like, have an opinion. It's fine. Tell me I'm wrong. I don't even mind. Like, come tell me I'm wrong. The problem is, is that when they get cornered and there's nowhere else to go, and the you know, it's you kind of are, like, look, you're being mean to people. Because, you know, Patricia, you listen long enough. I don't care how people eat. I don't care what you do. Take care of yourself, whatever you want to do. I couldn't care less. Here's what I do, if it works for you. God bless. Like, and if you're not interested, like, I couldn't possibly care less. Like, it's fine, just it's fine. But my God, like they want to rant and rave. They want to tell people what to do. They want to make fun of people for the way they eat, and if you don't let them, then they run back into their hidey hole and then tell all their little minions that you kick them out and you wouldn't let them be there. I'm like, I didn't. Kick you out. I just said, be nice to people, and then you over and over again. Couldn't be nice to people, and I eventually had to say to you, please leave. I didn't even kick you out. I said, Please leave. Right? You're never gonna meet a person in charge of a community who tries as hard to include everybody as I do. Absolutely no. I

Tricia 1:00:18
agree 100% Yeah,

Scott Benner 1:00:20
the people in my life who see it like, and I don't just mean family members, I mean people who help behind the scenes are like, Why are you trying so hard to save this unsavable person? And I'm like, I don't know. Like, it just feels wrong to, like, exclude them, and I want it to be everybody. But, man, it's hard, like, in a world where everybody's trying to section you up into a team so you can go fight with somebody, right? Like, I'm the one who's like, everybody, come on in. It's fine, right? You know? And then every time you try to, like, move things forward, can I rant a little longer? Right ahead? Scott, okay, thank you. I mean, you talked about what, you talked about, the dog thing. And I feel like the little latitude here. Now, you know what I mean, every time I try to push it farther a little bit, it starts over again with a new group of people. And what do I mean by that? Like, when I started blogging, I was just like, look, I don't know what I'm talking about. My daughter's having these terrible outcomes. I'm following the doctor's advice. And then I figure some things out, and I start writing, and I'm like, Hey, I think if you do this, happens. And you know, if you put your insulin in a little earlier, before food, and you really find the balance between the the food and the insulin, like, you don't really get a spike and like, like, you can see me in the blog talking it through, right and then, and that blog was dude, that blog got so many millions of clicks a year for years, I never sold an ad on it, because it wasn't that hard. I sat down and I wrote, I put it up. It wasn't a ton of time out of my being, you know, not a lot of skin off my ass. And then so, like, I could do it as a hobby back then, you couldn't even make money off like it was, like Google AdSense, like you'd put this ad up, and like, it was in the way, and everybody hated it. And at the end of the year, at the end of the month, like Google sent you $43 I'm, like, what am I doing? Like I'll go Panhandle $43 if I try hard enough. No, right? I wouldn't do that anyway. The podcast is so much work that I had to start taking ads. Now, it's not my fault. It's popular. Like, like, you know, like, I

Speaker 1 1:02:13
mean, like, people are like, Oh, my God, there's so many ads. Well, yeah, it's really popular. And, like, and, but I still won't put more than three ads on an episode. You know, how many people would? You know? How many people would stack that money? Uh, not me. I stopped at three. I turned three people down this month. All they have is money in their hand and they want to buy ads. I'm like, I'm sorry, I can't put more ads in the podcast. It'll Yeah, right. Anyway,

Scott Benner 1:02:36
ignore that part of the good nature person I am. Like, skip right to the apart where you say you're pushing carbs on people. I'm like, I don't, I don't even tell people how to eat. If you put up a picture of a cinnamon bun in my group and say, how many carbs do you think this is? I'm the crazy person who lets people answer you and go, I don't know. It seems like it might be this many, right? Like, what they want is for me to say you're a horrible person. You shouldn't eat like that, and you're, you're poisoning your kid, and die, die, die, and you should like they just want, they want to admonish people. They want to admonish people they don't agree with. But the other thing

Tricia 1:03:10
is that they don't understand that for kids. And I'm just, I'm I'm interrupting, and I love it, but they don't understand that for kids, especially, I mean, I work with kids every day, right? So kids, in my opinion, if you tell them how to eat, they're going to do the opposite at some point, and they need to know how to cover it, no matter how they go, right? So, and that's what you do. You teach them how to cover it. You know,

Scott Benner 1:03:35
I don't even get into half of those posts like people do it, I don't have to.

Tricia 1:03:42
I could say you, I mean, yeah, Trisha, you're with

Scott Benner 1:03:45
me. Don't worry. You're doing good. And, like, so, like, it's the diabetes equivalent of religion in in so much as that. Like, it's like, this is the rule. Don't break the rule. And I would point out to those people, if we can, like, you know, make the comparison. How does it go when you tell kids, for example, don't have sex till you're married, they're gonna

Tricia 1:04:06
go out and find somebody have sex with.

Speaker 1 1:04:10
Forget kids. How about like, how about people? You think people do well, being told not to do something, and just because you have the answer that worked for you, which, by the way, would work for a lot of people. I'm not also you don't hear me discounting it. Less insulin, fewer lows, fewer lows, fewer scary incidents, fewer times you got to correct with food, fewer times you might get high again. Listen, law of low, law of average, no low numbers, whatever they say they're like, it's hard to argue with like, and you wouldn't catch me arguing with it. I understand it, but you can't just say to people, I found the right way now you do it. That's a cult, right? Like people have what they call autonomy, and they can do whatever they want. And in a world where some of them might have a cinnamon bun, should we really just write them off? Why don't we help them understand how to Bolus for it? Right? Like me. Me, they'll come to the rest of it later, but this is all wasted Trisha, because they're not listening to this podcast. Because if they did, they probably agree with me. Probably they just vilify me so that they can get into one of their DJ battles where they're like,

Scott Benner 1:05:14
you know the guy over at 97 five, he's an idiot. We're the good ones. And then, like it's a it's a false war. It's a one sided false war that they do to try to keep their people feeling like they're on the right side. And what I'm telling them is, and please be clear. Don't drag me into your one sided false war, right? Okay? Because I'll fight back and and you won't just be in this little fun game where you bad mouth me, and you hold on to a couple people in your little Facebook group that nobody's a part of. And I didn't mean to sound um elitist there, but my Facebook group has 50,000 people in it. It gains 150 new people every three days, and yours gets three posts a day, absolutely. So yeah, yeah. Trisha, do you know how many mine gets?

Tricia 1:05:59
I couldn't even count. I don't know. 125

Scott Benner 1:06:03
a day. 8000 like hearts and comments every 24 hours. Do you know the down hours of the group? There are none, because you're working people in there. 20, God damn. Who says that? What's one of that guy who yells worldwide all the time in his songs? Well, what's his name, though? Who

Tricia 1:06:19
is it? Who is it?

Scott Benner 1:06:20
He says his name on. DJ, no wait, no, no, no, no, no, no. DJ, Khaled, not worldwide. Mr. Worldwide. Mr. Worldwide is, um, I'm bad at you. You're not into this, this, I understand. You're very with the with the dogs. You're a lot of your time is taken up, all right. Mr. Ah, how did I not know this? Pit bull?

Tricia 1:06:41
Oh, there you go. I should have known that, right? Oh, my God.

Scott Benner 1:06:45
Trisha, what are we gonna call the episode? Pit Bull?

Tricia 1:06:48
There you go. Pit Bull. We're

Scott Benner 1:06:50
all done. All done. That's it. Take a box. We're finished. Okay, that's it. Also it's a skill and a talent to take completely unrelated things, make them connect to each other, and wrap them up tightly in an hour and 10 minutes and Oh, my God, I'm so good at this. So anyway, my point to those people would be, if you don't like what I'm saying, fair enough you go say your thing, and all the people who agree with you will follow. And what I'm trying to tell you is, is that my podcast has about 20 million downloads and 50,000 active users in its Facebook group, and your thing looks like the people I don't know like nothing like it looks like a tiny percentage of the people that I that I interact with. And keep a bigger picture here I barely interact with a percentage of people who have diabetes, right, right? Like I reach a pitiful percentage of people with type one diabetes. Imagine what you're reaching. No one. It's you and your five lunatic friends, Jesus Christ, speaking of jerking each other off. You know what I mean, Trisha, look at me. I hear you and pulled it together again. God, damn it, my references are tight as hell today. Damn, God, damn I ought to get paid for this. Oh, wait. Oh, wait, I do. All right, if I rubbed it in long enough you think they got it, they got it. I

Tricia 1:08:16
hope they got it. Yeah, you know, Can

Scott Benner 1:08:17
I quote? Will Smith go for it. It seems wrong, but keep my daughter's name out of your mother mouth. There you go. How's that? That's good. That's good. All right, we're having a good time here Trisha. What did we miss? Anything you're like? Please don't drag me into this. I always feel bad for the people who come on On days like this.

Tricia 1:08:37
Well, I'll be honest, because I knew something was going on. Like, before I logged in, I saw that you had posted, just a really long post, and I didn't have time to read it, you know what I mean? I was like, oh boy, it's not gonna be okay for this podcast. And you were great, so don't worry about it. It was fine.

Scott Benner 1:08:51
Oh no, trust me, it gave me good energy. They don't understand how I work. This was good for me. Yeah, you don't want to, like, I would listen. Let me be clear. I grew up poorly, okay? I was not parented. Well, I grew up outside of Philadelphia. Don't with me. I have a gear. You don't have, okay, like, there, that's it. Like, I'm not gonna hurt anybody but, and I'm not gonna defame anybody or slander anybody, but I got your words, and I'm not afraid, so be real careful, is all I'm saying. Like, because if I get pushed over that line, Tricia, I'm gonna tell you right now, I'm gonna go into attack mode, and then it ain't gonna stop. And then you're gonna find out what happens when people who all feel like this podcast has saved their life think you're upset and treating me poorly, right? I've seen it happen before. I want to say this. This isn't a This isn't what's the word I'm looking for. This is not a threat. I've literally seen this happen before. There was this time before I had a Facebook group where someone asked a question in a Facebook group, and I happened to be up one morning and I saw it, and I popped in and I said. Like, Oh, you know about what I said. It doesn't matter anymore. Like, I gave what I thought was my answer, and at the end of it, I said, like, you know, if this didn't make sense or anything, like, let me know, you know, I'll see if I can be more clear. And I was like, the admin banned me off of the comments because at the end I said, like, you know, ask me if you have any follow ups. I think they thought I was asking them to like DM me or something, which I even as a Facebook owner now, yeah, I understand, right? Yeah. So this person just bans me from the group, and I'm like, I don't realize that, because I'm not incessantly checking the group. I just I answered this person, right? Like a half an hour later, I get a message from somebody online, like, they kicked you out of that Facebook group. And I was like, oh, that's crazy. I wonder why that happened. You know, this has got to be like, I don't know. This has got to be 510, years ago. It's longer. It's it's got to be 10 years ago, maybe, maybe before the podcast even, right? And I was like, Oh, I responded the person. I said, That's very nice of you. I don't know what happened, but obviously they have a reason. Like, I just, I'm like, whatever. Like, I don't care. And I said, But you know, thanks for letting me know. I swear to you, I didn't say any more than that. And this is back just when I had a blog, okay, 45 minutes later, I'm not lying to you. I get another DM through Facebook. Do you know who it is? The owners of it's the admin of the group that kicked that kicked me out. And this note says, I wish I had it says, I'm so sorry that my other, like, co admin or something, didn't realize who you were and kicked you out. I'm like, who am I? I'm like, nobody. Like, I don't know what you're talking about. I'm like, and I'm like, what? Like, so I'm looking at this, like, rambling apology, right? I'm like, where is this coming from? Like, who even cares? And so I messaged the person back, and I'm like, Listen, I'm not upset. I honestly didn't even realize I was kicked out of your group till, like, I don't know, 1520 minutes ago, when someone sent me a note, and I just said to them, well, you must have had a reason, because I'm not crazy. And so, like, you know? And I was like, I'm like, I don't know what you're talking about. And she gets back to me, she goes, Oh my God, thank you so much. Would you call me? I'm like, I don't know you, but whatever. So I call the lady. She's lovely and everything, but she's in a panic. And I'm like, what's wrong? And she said, I'm gonna let you back in the group. Can you please stop what's happening? And I'm like,

Tricia 1:12:20
I don't understand what's happening. I

Scott Benner 1:12:22
don't, right? Yeah, I'm like, what's happening? And she goes, your people, they're rioting. And I was like, what? So I'm like, Okay, I guess I'm like, I'm like, Ari, like, I don't want anything bad to happen to your little Facebook group, you know. So anyways, she lets me back in and holy Trisha. All I saw were people are like, you don't know what that guy did for me. Oh, like, like, it was a lot of, right? He saved me, he saved my kid, he saved my a 1c he taught me to do. This was when I was blogging and and I was like, Oh my God, look how. Like, it's misguided. And I put every I was like, Hey everybody, Hi. It's me calm down. I was like, so I did. I asked everybody. I'm like, Look, you guys are very kind to come to my you know, my rescue here. I didn't need rescuing, but I appreciate it. And please, like this, it was just a mistake. And this lovely lady runs this nice group, like, please don't, please don't try. Don't trash your group. And everybody was like, oh, sorry, no problem. And they all backed out on they took out their bubble, and it all went right. My point in telling you that story, which I have never told anywhere before, Trisha, you were the only person right now on the face of the earth that knows this story, besides myself and probably my wife. But

Tricia 1:13:39
Well, now I feel good, right?

Scott Benner 1:13:40
Well, you should, but that was back before I had 20 million podcasts down right, right? I'm saying, if I put up the little picture of what your shit fucking face said, and people can read it for themselves, I don't have to describe it. I can just go look, there's a person talking about me out in the world, and I don't think that's right, and put it up there like that, it will not stop you will spend your life defending yourself absolutely or running Absolutely. It's not a threat. I'm just telling you it's gonna happen because I've seen it happen before. And trust me, the people who are listening right now are like, let's and go, Scott and I'm the only one holding them back, right? Just so like, yeah, that's all. No, that

Tricia 1:14:25
makes sense, because you have, because you have helped so many people. And why would they attack your child with lies? It just, I mean, I'm floored at that. So sign me up for the group. When? When do we go, like, you know? Well,

Scott Benner 1:14:40
you know what the answer is, though, Trisha, the thing they're selling, not a lot of people are buying it, right, and that's probably incredibly upsetting to them. Can I now move to the other side of the courtroom? Yeah, try to imagine. You struggled your whole life with your diabetes, right? You could never figure out what was happening. Four CGMS. You just couldn't get it straight. Every time you ate, your blood sugar shot up. You felt terrible. It took hours to come down. You crashed. You got low. Your family's calling an ambulance for you. You're having a seizure. It's happening over and over and over again, and one day you say to yourself, I'm just gonna stop eating carbs. And everything just levels out. And your a 1c comes into the fives. There's no more lows, no more highs. You get that, like, low carb, like energy that people talk about after the I think there's like a flu that comes, some people say, and then the energy comes, right? Yeah, I've been low carb before. I know what it feels like. You get this, like, you feel good, you know? And like, and so now what happened? You were in this horrible place. You thought you were gonna die, and now you're in this beautiful place, and you found you think you've got the answer, yep. And then what happens? Now it's religion. Now you're proselytizing, and now anybody who doesn't listen to you doesn't understand. They don't know, you know the gospel. You're gonna shove it down their throat. And if they don't take it, then they don't deserve to be here on this beautiful planet with the rest of you who understand. And I guarantee you, if one of them heard that, one of the and I don't mean by the way, I want to be super clear. I don't mean people who eat low carb. I mean six lunatics. Okay, no,

Tricia 1:16:11
you mean these, these people who are running that little group, these specific

Scott Benner 1:16:15
people, is who I'm talking Yeah, if they heard that right now, they wouldn't see themselves in that statement, but from me to you and to them, I guess if they're listening, everyone sees you that way except yourself, and the ones who see me the way you do are just you. So what does that tell you when a handful of people have an idea that so many other people don't hold and so many other people see you as the problem. But try really, really hard not to condemn you. I watch them all the time. People hold their tongues and not say anything, or they'll send me a note. They're like, this lady's being very rude, or this guy's been like, he's being crazy to people like, Can you ask him just to be kind? That's all we do, by the way, is just say, Hey, can you please be kind? That's it. They don't see that as being unkind. They see it as saving your life. It's my interpretation. I could be wrong. Okay, they see it as saving your life. And then that's it. And they jump and they jump and they attack and they attack. So if somebody doesn't want you to save their life, just say, thank you and move on. You don't have to run over them with the boat, because they won't grab the floaty, like, Jesus Christ, like, I sorry, this has been dear. Oh, no, you're

Tricia 1:17:27
fine. I am glad you were able to share. I'm a counselor, remember? So this is natural. Oh, I

Scott Benner 1:17:33
do need to get this off my back. Yeah,

Tricia 1:17:35
absolutely. I mean, that's good. I'm not an Erica, but I am a Trisha, so they'll keep going. You're fine. You like Erica. She's

Scott Benner 1:17:42
good, right?

Tricia 1:17:42
I do? I do. Yeah, she's great, cool. She's great, cool, right

Scott Benner 1:17:45
now, Erica's like, don't bring my name up. Right now. What the

Tricia 1:17:49
You don't Erica. I'm passing him off to you when I get off this call. Okay,

Scott Benner 1:17:51
well, I will remind you the way Erica reminds me all the time, Scott, I am not your therapist. Oh, my God, it's so funny. She's always like, Scott, I'm not your friend. I'm like, No, I know. I'm not. I know. So funny. All right. Well, listen, you're terrific. I'm I've monopolized your time, and I feel badly. No,

Tricia 1:18:14
you have it. It's, it's like talking to a friend, right?

Scott Benner 1:18:18
And it's very nice you to be out there helping those kids. Seriously?

Tricia 1:18:22
Oh, thanks. They're, you know, they're part of the community, right?

Scott Benner 1:18:26
I hope that four people don't decide that you're a scourge and come after you by making fun of your dogs. You

Tricia 1:18:32
know, it's fine, you would. You. You know how people you know how you have those people who are their little zealots and their little group and all that. There's people like that about dogs too, but it's okay. All right,

Scott Benner 1:18:44
by the way, I've learned this year, this is fascinating. May I I go on a little longer? You don't mind keep talking. You're the

Tricia 1:18:50
one who's hungry and who's actually, that's probably part

Scott Benner 1:18:54
of the problem right now, I am really hungry one second. Oh, wow. How can I be so hungry? I was like, Oh, I know how. Because my GOP gets shot on Saturdays. So it's getting towards the end of the weekend. It's almost there. Yeah, about eight months ago. Mike is a long story. I'm not going to give you the whole thing. My kids got me a chameleon. I I have heard that, yes, wanted one my whole life. Never told anybody brought it up. Kids jumped into action at Christmas time. I think my wife pushed them. I think, honestly, they would have not done anything I had my wife not been like, go to that place and buy this thing, right? Turns out, and I knew this, but they didn't. They're much more difficult to take care of than you might expect. And so I had to literally deep dive into their care, because this thing wasn't going to live long if I didn't understand ins and outs of a lot of different aspects of it, right? And so at first I don't know what to do. I'm like, where am I gonna learn about this? Like, you know what I mean? And then suddenly I realized there's gotta be somebody out there who's me, but for chameleons, like, right? If I'm me for diabetes, is there probably not a me for chameleons, like, like, Absolutely. Go find the Juicebox podcast. For chameleons. And you want to know something, there is one. And I found a lovely man who puts a ton of time and attention into passing the good information that he believes worked for him out to other people. And I thought, Oh, my God, it's even the way he talks about it like. He doesn't say this is right. He says, here's what I did, here's the outcomes I had. And I'm like, my god, he's me, like he's literally doing what I'm doing. And then I got to watch as some people came after him for changing, like, ideas about husbandry for a chameleon. And I can use that word with you, because you have dogs, and you know the word means. In any other scenario, I would not say the word husbandry, because I think it would make me sound like a douche bag. But between you and I,

Tricia 1:20:48
okay, but when we're talking animals, it's all good. Well, in all you know

Scott Benner 1:20:51
what I mean, feels like I'm a little too in the cold when I start using the words and so like and this man, you know, not knowing me, having never met me, gave me every piece of information I needed so that I could go through it and find a good, capable way of taking care of this chameleon. And when I got done, I thought, Oh, my God, I this is what I do diabetes for people like I lay out all my ideas. You pick from them, which you like, what works for you exactly, and then you make it work, even though I'm that kind of, like, clear about it, like, I don't care what you do, I'm not gonna tell you how to eat. I'm not gonna tell you what to do. You know, the you need as much insulin as you need. Like, I'm not arguing with you about anything about your life, right? I help people with their mental health, like, like, F like, I'm a full service Stop and Shop. You know what? I mean, you are. And I look up at the guy, and here he is trying to help people understand a better way to hydrate their chameleons. And a small group of people treat him like he's committing a war crime. And I'm like, Oh my God, those are low carbs, and not just people. And again, I want to be really clear. I think if you eat low carbon, you're doing well with diabetes. Like, God bless you. I think if you're doing that and you're online, beating people over the head with it and making disparaging lies about their daughter and everything else that comes with it, well then I think you're an asshole. I want to be very clear, right? Like, and so

Tricia 1:22:18
absolutely, and it's like that. It's like that, no matter what you know. I mean, like, it goes back to what you said at the very beginning. If you were Omnipod, why do you think tea slim for your kid? I think it's that I don't push the Omnipod too much. You're trying

Scott Benner 1:22:30
to be a reasonable, balanced person. Isn't that interesting? Yeah. But anyway, there it was. I was like, Oh my God, this man and I are doing the same exact thing in two completely different places. We're having the same exact outcomes, as far as success, and we're having the same exact troubles, as far as outsiders who are angry with us for reasons that really just seem it's because we're saying something that's opposite of what they hold very true. Not that I didn't know this already, Trisha, but then it just really hit me. I was like, oh my god, this is just a human problem. This is just what happens. It's got nothing to do with chameleons or diabetes percent or a low carb or Apple versus Android. It's got nothing to do with any of that. This is just how people's brains work.

Tricia 1:23:13
Fascinating. No, it is. No, it is, because I think when people find something that works for them, some people like you can understand just because it works for you, it might not work for somebody else, like you understand that, but I think a lot of people haven't reached that point where they can understand that. Like, just because it works for me doesn't mean that there's not another way to do it. It's like when you teach kids math, like, I hate new math. I'll just say that I can't do new math. I can't do what they're teaching these little children nowadays. I'm a very old school math person, but for the kids where it works for Okay, great, we still got the same answer, right? We still got five or whatever, right? What's it matter? Right? Why is it why does it matter how we got there, as long as we're both in a good spot with what we got. Yes,

Scott Benner 1:24:01
see you, and I agree. It doesn't matter how we get there, it's just as long as everybody's okay. All I want from people is for them to be happy and healthy. That's it. However they can get to that, I think is terrific. If I'm not the pathway to that for them, then I did my best, and I'm sorry it didn't work for you. Go. Go go find something else. Go

Tricia 1:24:21
find somebody who you can no

Scott Benner 1:24:23
hard feelings. Learn from. Yeah, no hard feelings. The other way of thinking about it, and I know that this feels like very specific to diabetes, but it's really not. It's just very specific to some people, like some people fall into one category where I don't know, like, the way I see myself is I kind of felt like a caregivers mentality. And I'm very open, and I don't care what I just I think whatever works for you works for you. And I think there are some people who still have that caregiver mentality, but they're very stuck on this is the way, right. And then I do think there are also, like, another section of people who are just trying to be powerful or famous in a space. Or something like that, and they're just, they don't care what they say, as long as it gets clicks and likes and some company notices and gives them a job one day. Like, like, you know what I mean? Like, where they can make some money off it's selling their coaching or whatever it is they're trying to do. I think there are times when people look at me and they're pissed, because I found a way to say, everyone's welcome. I don't care what you do. I don't want you to fight with each other, and I pay my bills with it, right? And they're out there and they can't figure out jealousy

Tricia 1:25:26
out there. I think for some people with you, because they can't do what you're doing, it's distasteful

Scott Benner 1:25:31
if I say it, but I do think on some level that that has to be true. You know

Tricia 1:25:36
what I mean? This is a bad comparison, but in I've learned more this year. Like I will say, like I have. I currently have a great endocrinologist who is willing to kind of let me care for myself, I guess I would say, and she just writes my scripts, and is there if I need her type of thing? Yeah. I was in an argument with one of the district nurses, who was like, if a kid goes low, they need 15 grams of carbs. And I said, But if one of my kids on a pump, on an automated pump, is at 70, I don't care what the doctor's orders say, if I give him 15 grams of carbs, he's going to be up to 180 in half an hour, 45 minutes. Because he doesn't need the 15 grams because the pump shut his insulin off, you know? But, like, Yeah, but she can't get it out of her head. That, you know, the rule I was taught in 1980 was 15 grams. Wait 15 minutes, 15 you know that, that whole rule thing, right? Right? Medical people fell, yeah. And so you have, you know, so you get it in every aspect. You have some doctors who, they're never going to change that medical plan. It's always going to say 15 grams of carbs the minute that kid hits 70, right? Not paying attention to the fact that it's 70 with a straight arrow, and it's been 70 for three hours, and the kid is fine, right? Yeah. Like,

Scott Benner 1:26:49
and even, even at that, like, even though you're no, you're gonna run into that. I was interviewing somebody yesterday, and lovely person, like, really lovely. And they were stuck on this one idea. And they were like, I don't understand why people do this. And I kept saying, like, why does it matter? Like, why do you need to understand? Like, it's working for them? Like, she's like, well, it's not and I'm like, Well, okay, then it's not your business. You know what I mean? Like, you did the right thing, you did the Good Samaritan thing, it didn't work out. And, like, it's not your job. If you can't let go of that, that's your problem, right? Not theirs. Like, right? You're not Jesus, and you're not here to, like, save everybody, and it's, it's not your job, and that you've you did the nice, good samaritan thing. You said, Hey, I think your tire is going flat, and they gave you the finger. And, fair enough. Okay, like now that parks over, you don't drive after him for 25 miles yelling out the window, you're gonna die. Your tires flat, right? Yeah, that's crazy. Okay. Anyway, don't be crazy. Just Oh, that ain't gonna help anybody.

Tricia 1:27:57
The people who are crazy are gonna be crazy, no matter if you tell them that too. Okay, yeah,

Scott Benner 1:28:01
I just realized that that wasn't gonna like, fix the whole thing. It's like, if it's like, I'd be like, you have anxiety. Could you stop it? No, oh yeah, it doesn't work that way. I understand it doesn't work that way. But here's the end result. I'm a nice, kind, measured person, but I didn't grow up. Well, you don't want to drag me into this, right? I will fight really, really hard, and you won't like how it goes. And if you think, Oh no, I can beat you, Scott, I want you to remember that over 100 people have tried to start a diabetes podcast since I started 110 years ago, and about five of them still exist, and nobody listens to them. To this one. Okay, I will win. Trust me, I've got a real competition problem, so I grew up real broke, don't you worry. And on, on top of everything else, just to be super serious for a second thing you're saying, it's not even true. I mean, I guess if you said something and it was true, I might, I'd understand. But like, Why do you have to lie to make your point? Like, just make your point a different way by telling the truth. It's not that hard. I mean, listen to me for the last half an hour, I can be an asshole. Just say that. Just say, like, I don't know, I listen to the guy's pocket it seems like a dick. Like they're fine. That's your opinion. Good enough. Like, there you go. Why you got to say something that's untrue and drag my kid into it?

Tricia 1:29:23
I mean, because, honestly, like when, when you said, I listened to everything you said. Don't get me wrong, but my brain keeps going back to, you're picking on a kid with a lie. Like, that's that's the main point to me. You're picking on a kid with a lie. Yeah, that's wrong, you know, and

Scott Benner 1:29:41
she didn't say it, by the way, and it's not a thing. She said it's a thing. I don't I'm trying not to be too specific with it, because, believe it or not, what I'm actually doing Trisha is trying to make it so that you can't tell who it is that said what, because I don't want to identify them. I'm still defending that fcking asshole. Right now, you're still trying to be nice. Yeah, you know, I just said what you said, then people would know it was you. And then floodgates. And I'm not doing that. And by the way, anybody who's listening to me right now don't do anything, please, like, just be cool. I'm cool. Ducks back. We're all good. You know what I mean? Well,

Tricia 1:30:17
by the time you play this, it'll be six months from now, and they'll have trouble finding the post

Scott Benner 1:30:21
anyway. So, yeah, they're gonna remember. People got long memories. This is true, not me. I'm gonna forget this in like 15 minutes. I swear to God, next week, someone's gonna say to me, if you sent me a note a week from now and said, Do you remember that thing you were all upset about last week, I'd be like, I'm not 100%

Unknown Speaker 1:30:40
sure what you're talking about. I

Scott Benner 1:30:42
anyway, that's my own personal health. All right, I had to pay extra for this one because I went on so long in editing. So, all

Tricia 1:30:49
right, Trisha, don't worry about I was just trying to listen. Scott, I

Scott Benner 1:30:53
appreciate it. Listener today, thank you. I was a good listener. In the middle, you were very smart. At the end, you you

Tricia 1:30:59
were, we were both good listeners. Yeah, good. I

Scott Benner 1:31:01
just talk a lot.

Tricia 1:31:04
That's okay. You need it too, for sure, you're

Scott Benner 1:31:06
so nice. All right, hold on a second. I want to be friends with you. Bye. Bye.

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