#1352 Poopy Pills

Emma has type 1, uses Ozempic and has anxiety about eating in front of people.

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Scott Benner 0:00
Hello friends and welcome back to another episode of The juicebox podcast.

Emma is a returning guest. She was originally on Episode 1090 called diabetes breakdown. Today, we'll talk about her type one diabetes, her use of ozempic, how she lost weight, her social skills, anxiety and how she feels eating around other people. Nothing you hear on the juicebox podcast should be considered advice medical or otherwise, always consult a physician before making any changes to your healthcare plan to save 40% off of your entire order@cozyearth.com All you have to do is use the offer code juicebox at checkout. That's juicebox at checkout to save 40 percent@cozyearth.com Are you an adult living with type one or the caregiver of someone who is and a US resident, if you are, I'd love it if you would go to T 1d exchange.org/juice, box and take the survey. When you complete that survey, your answers are used to move type one diabetes research of all kinds. So if you'd like to help with type one research, but don't have time to go to a doctor or an investigation, and you want to do something right there from your sofa. This is the way t 1d exchange.org/juicebox, it should not take you more than about 10 minutes. Did you know if just one person in your family has type one diabetes, you're up to 15 times more likely to get it too. So screen it like you mean it. One blood test can spot type one diabetes early. Tap now talk to a doctor or visit screened for type one.com for more info. The show you're about to listen to is sponsored by the Eversense 365 the Eversense 365 has exceptional accuracy over one year, and is the most accurate CGM in the low range that you can get ever since cgm.com/juice box. Having an easy to use, an accurate blood glucose meter is just one click away. Contournext.com/juicebox That's right. Today's episode is sponsored by the contour next gen blood glucose meter.

Emma 2:22
Hi, I'm Emma. I have type one diabetes. I'm 23 years old, and I'm back

Scott Benner 2:30
because where were you the first time you were in Episode 1090 it was called, what was it called?

Emma 2:36
It was called diabetes breakdown, right?

Scott Benner 2:38
Do you remember why I called it that? Because I don't,

Emma 2:41
because I cry all the time, and we kind of broke down diabetes too. So it was had a little double meaning.

Scott Benner 2:50
There was this one of those episodes where at the end I was like, try something and let me know how it goes.

Emma 2:55
I think so. I think you were, you were just like, stay, if you stay on ozempic, then come back and chat about it. Yeah,

Scott Benner 3:02
and you did, yes. Okay, so let's just do a high level overview. Diagnosed. How long ago?

Emma 3:08
2230, my gosh. Three years. Three years.

Scott Benner 3:13
Okay, and then at what point did your doctor add GLP to you?

Emma 3:18
It was about a year ago. Okay,

Scott Benner 3:20
so you've been on ozempic for a year. Is your insurance covering it?

Emma 3:26
Yes, it is. I'm lucky that way, nice.

Scott Benner 3:29
Do you know the diagnosis code they use to get it covered? No, I don't. Okay. Like, did they say you have insulin resistance or type two and type one? Do you know

Emma 3:39
I think it was insulin resistance. Okay, yeah, wow, good insurance.

Scott Benner 3:45
Let's just go right to that part. So your prior to the GLP, what are your a one C's, like, about how much is your total daily insulin, that kind

Emma 3:55
of thing. So my a 1c were fine. It was like, I think I was even in the fives at that point, but I was like, having trouble with management, because my pumps weren't lasting as long as they should be, because I was using so much insulin, either they would run out, I would use, like, the full 200 units like the max amount, but they would still run out before even the three days. Or I would be doing such huge boluses, 10 units or above, because of my insulin to carb ratio so high, I

Scott Benner 4:35
guess, flooding your sites and they weren't absorbing well and all that stuff. Yeah, right, right.

Emma 4:40
So my pumps were, like, leaking and stuff, and I wasn't getting as much insulin as I needed. So I was, like, having all these ties. And it like it wasn't affecting my ANC, but I was just it was affecting my mental health, because I was, like, stressing about it all the time. And just like, it was just not also

Scott Benner 4:56
using a ton of insulin, like, like using over. Or so you have OmniPod, right? Yeah, I just know because you said over 200 units so, like, so, so you're using over 200 units of insulin every three days. Yeah, wow. Were you gaining weight? No, no, okay. Was your weight prior to GLP where you wanted it to be? No, is there an amount of weight, you would tell me that you were over where you wanted to be. Well, at

Emma 5:24
one point I was, like, 150 pounds when I was, like, a freshman in college, and I also just, like, wasn't eating because I didn't like eating around people, so I lost a ton of weight, and I was not eating in a healthy way, but I was really happy with how I look. But then I got with my boyfriend, now, fiance, and we love to eat together, and so that part stopped. So I started eating really well, but then I gained some weight, so, and at that point we had been together for like, three years,

Scott Benner 5:59
Emma let me, let me pick through for a second. Yeah, if I asked you this the last time, tell me, but didn't like to eat in front of people. What does that

Emma 6:10
mean? I just like, I don't know. It's a weird part of my brain. I just have anxiety when I'm eating around, like, new people, not like people that I know are, like, my good friends, but like, if I don't know someone, I am like, thinking about what, like, what I'm eating, and if they're like, judging me for what I'm eating and like, how I'm eating it, and like, how much of it I'm eating. It's a really, really unhealthy way of thinking. But I just can't stop so when I went to college, I didn't know anyone, and we would like go to the dining hall, because that's what you do when you're a freshman. And I was, like, finding myself eating around all these new people, and, like, I just it was really hard for me. I eventually got over it. Obviously.

Scott Benner 6:56
Have you ever talked to a therapist about it? No. Do you think you should, or is it okay when I

Emma 7:02
go to therapy? It's probably something that I will talk about, but I just haven't, like pushed myself to go to therapy yet, which I know is bad, and like, everyone should go to therapy, but I just, I don't know, listen,

Scott Benner 7:16
it's not bad, and everybody doesn't have to go to therapy. I was just wondering if you had that's all because it seems kind of like a significant thing.

Emma 7:23
Yeah, well, it's not anymore, just because I'm not really surrounded by new people. The thing about now is that I as a as a teacher, I like, don't go to the lunchroom to eat with all of my colleagues that often. I usually just eat in my room, which is, like, fine, and I like, know, all my colleagues, and I like them, and I'm like, still forming friendships with them in other ways. But like, I just don't find community around food in that way. I don't know you have any insight into this at all. No,

Scott Benner 7:58
no, your mom always been. Did your mom talk about your weight or something like that, or

Emma 8:03
no, like, my family's never really been like that. I don't know it's it was probably just me being on the internet as at a young age and being impacted by that. But like, when I was in high school and I would do, like, summer camps, like overnight, like two weeks, wherever I would it was the same thing. That's kind of where it started, I think, summer game. But yeah,

Scott Benner 8:26
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Emma 10:59
You could,

Scott Benner 11:01
I guess I was talking to you. Hold on, let's, let's find out if it's actually

Emma 11:08
I call it like eating anxiety is what I call it,

Scott Benner 11:11
not being able to eat in front of other people considered an eating disorder. Lisk, chat. GPT,

Speaker 1 11:17
yes. Okay, not being able to eat in front of other people can be considered a sign of an eating disorder or related anxiety issue. This condition might be linked to social anxiety, where the person feels self conscious or anxious about being observed while eating. It's important to consult a healthcare professional. It's

Scott Benner 11:37
gonna tell you the stuff you're supposed to Yeah. Do you have social anxiety?

Emma 11:41
Yeah, okay. But doesn't everyone have a little bit of social anxiety?

Scott Benner 11:45
None, zero. Wow, absolutely not. What's

Emma 11:47
that like?

Scott Benner 11:48
It's fcking awesome. You couldn't say something to me that I couldn't just do in front of people.

Emma 11:58
That's amazing. I

Scott Benner 11:59
don't even care. I I swear to you, like I have, like, opportunities to speak sometimes in front of, like, four or 500 people at a time, like in person, and I'll be standing outside chatting with people, and someone will come up to me and go, Hey, your thing's about to start. And I'll go, Oh, okay. And someone will say, what are you speaking about? And I'll go, I don't know, and I just walk in, wow. And just go and then it's over. And people like, oh my god, that's so great in the situation I'm I'm describing. Now, I had, like, a flimsy understanding of what I was there to do, but I never, like, you get up there and like, Hey everybody, I'm gonna talk now and just start talking. And there's no like, I don't feel anxious about it one little bit. My My heartbeat is low. My pulse is low. Like, I'm like, it's, it feels very good to me to be doing that. That's kind of like a superpower. Well, would be if I could fly too, if I could fly while I was doing it, then I would completely agree with you. Like, I know we're supposed to say we feel lucky if anything happens to us. I like, how at this point now, I have to say I feel lucky to have a house, I feel lucky if I have food. I'm lucky if I have insurance. I feel lucky that I don't have diabetes. I feel lucky that my kid has insulin. I feel lucky that I don't have anxiety. There's a lot of ass covering going on in society right now. Emma, so I'll get on the train. I feel lucky that I don't have a problem with that, but it's just the thing that I'm good at. There's plenty of things I'm not good at that. You know, nobody says they feel lucky if they can do anyway. All right, so you have social anxiety to some degree. This is how it pops up. Blah, blah, blah, get the diabetes pumping using a lot of insulin. Doctor says, Hey, why don't you try ozempic? And you go, all right, whatever was that, what you said, like, cool, let's do it. Or what do you what were your thoughts

Emma 13:45
at that point, it was already, like, kind of, there was already some stigma attached to it, like in the media, with, like, all of these celebrities taking it for weight loss and blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. And I was, like, I, like, had a ton of questions about, like, side effects and, like, how else it would affect me? My doctor was basically like, well, there could be side effects, like nausea and all this stuff, but you don't know how it will affect you until you take it. And it's something that we can try, and then if you don't like it, or whatever, we can just, you know, something else, yeah. I was like, Okay, I guess I'll do it, yeah? And so I started taking it. And I think when we filmed, I'd been taking it for like, one week, yeah, basically, you

Scott Benner 14:31
had just started. So, so let's walk through it. Like, what was it like in the beginning? What did you notice? Are you still taking it now? Let's hear all about

Emma 14:38
it. At the beginning, I feel like there was kind of a drastic change, like it really affected my appetite, and it really affected how much insulin I was using. I used a lot less, and at the beginning I like, wouldn't have to pre wolf at all, basically because. Because it was making the insulin work faster too. Like, I wouldn't have to wait 20 minutes. I could, like, bolus right before I ate, basically, and that kind of happened every time my dose would go up. So, but then, I don't know, it would kind of like, those effects would, like, not be as much, and then it would kind of plateau, hold

Scott Benner 15:22
your thought, OmniPod dash, or OmniPod five. OmniPod five. Okay. And basically, I feel like there are two things happening. First of all, you take the medication, and it helps with insulin sensitivity. Helps with insulin sensitivity a bunch of different ways. One of those ways is by slowing your digestion down. So is your insulin working faster, or are you digesting more slowly? So the insulin is having more time to work before the impact of the food is coming. Which do you think you were seeing?

Emma 15:50
Probably the digestion, okay. Okay.

Scott Benner 15:54
And then as you upped your dose, you noticed it for a while, but then it wasn't as as much at that point.

Emma 16:01
Yeah, so. And then I think, oh, sorry, go ahead, yeah.

Scott Benner 16:04
Just let me jump in for a second. My This is a guess. This is an absolute guess, right? But you're using one dose for a while. You get to kind of a a point where the pump is seeing your total daily insulin being aggressive. Based on that, suddenly you take a new dose, which changes probably your slows your digestion down more. You get the other impacts of glps, and on top of that, so better insulin sensitivity, but also you probably can't eat as much. Is that right? When you go up a dose, yeah, and then the algorithm and the OmniPod five is still bolusing at you like you're on your old settings with a lower dose, and then eventually, I would imagine that the pump then figures out your total daily insulin for your new reality, and then it levels out again. That's my expectation for what happened.

Emma 16:53
Yeah, you're probably right. It's possible. I never, I never thought it through like that, but you're probably, probably right. Well, you're busy

Scott Benner 17:00
dodging people when you have a pretzel on your hand, so you don't have time to think about these things.

Emma 17:04
Oh my gosh. The thing about ozempic, about taking this weekly injection, is that I love that it's made me lose or, sorry, use less insulin, and that now my UMP works better and everything. But it's also another variable to think about in my brain when I'm bolusing and stuff, because there's, like, it's not as effective, like, there's different effectiveness, like, throughout the week. Does that make sense? Like, it kind of peaks in the middle of the week, yeah, and then it, you know, so I have to also think about that when I'm bolusing, whether to like, kind of lowball the carbs, because I know that the OmniPod is like, working really well right now, because it's in the middle of the week, yada yada. So, like, most of my lows happen in the middle of the week, yeah, because it's just working well. The

Scott Benner 17:56
half life of the medication is very short, so you inject it on a Saturday, and now you're all juiced up Saturday, Sunday, Monday, Tuesday, then Wednesday. It starts to wane, right? And then Thursday, Friday. So even if you're you'll notice, like, I can, like, I can eat more on Thursday or Friday than I can on Monday or Tuesday, and yeah, and so and so. The way you're adjusting around them is by basically, like, being more or less aggressive with your carb counts, depending on where in the week you are. Yeah, that's smart. Yeah, that's really smart. Okay, so how much, like you said before, you were using 200 units every three days. How many units do you think you're using every three days? Now,

Emma 18:42
did I see on my pump? I think it's like 50 a day, 50 units a day. So

Scott Benner 18:49
you you cut 50 units out over three days? So like 15, six, like 16 units a day, it went down.

Emma 19:00
Yeah, wow, that's great. And did you lose weight? Not really. Did you honestly? But I haven't, but I haven't been, like exercising or like actively trying, which now I am doing because I get I'm getting married in a year, so now I'm actively trying, trying to lose weight. So

Scott Benner 19:18
tell me how much weight you hope to lose 2530, pounds. Okay? And how much have you lost so far on ozempic, like,

Emma 19:27
maybe, like five, okay?

Scott Benner 19:29
And you've been using, really,

Emma 19:30
not that much,

Scott Benner 19:30
how long for a year a year. So what's your dose at now?

Emma 19:35
My sorry say that again, ozempic,

Scott Benner 19:38
dose, how much?

Emma 19:39
Oh, it's, I think I'm at four units. They're milligrams, yeah, sorry,

Scott Benner 19:46
yeah. So does she have you dialed a two milligrams inject and then do it again. Is that how that pen works? Or can you go all the way

Emma 19:56
to four? I think it's, I think it's a four. I might be wrong. Let me do. Because

Scott Benner 20:00
it's possible you're just not using enough, and that's why you're not losing weight.

Emma 20:04
It's the yellow box,

Scott Benner 20:05
Emma, the last time we spoke, did I turn into your dad at some point and feel like I had to take care

Emma 20:10
of you? You did. Dad's name is Scott. Starting to happen. It's two milligrams. It's two milligrams. I'm I'm silly. It's two, not

Scott Benner 20:19
four. That's okay, which is the most so, so you're shooting two milligrams of ozempic a day. Yeah,

Emma 20:25
no, a week a week. Excuse

Scott Benner 20:26
me, that was my fault and then, but so I think you're running into something that a lot of people with ozempic run into, which is that's the highest dose. And it's possible they could use more after a while, but it's interesting that so you haven't lost, I mean, lost five pounds in a year, which is great, but it's not a lot compared to what you're seeing with some people. So let's talk about it. Ozempic. Does it curb your appetite? Does it make you feel full in your head? Does it make your stomach feel full? Like what's all the impacts you're getting from it along eating?

Emma 21:00
I think it does. It has affected my appetite. It definitely did more in the beginning when I first started taking it. But that could also just be like, my brain getting used to it. Like, do I really remember what my appetite was like a year ago? I don't know, but I do think I'm eating less food, like I'm physically not able to eat more the

Scott Benner 21:22
mass of food is less, like, the actual like, like, physical amount of it. Have you changed the things that you're eating? Are there things that you can't eat anymore, or not attracted to anymore? That kind of thing?

Emma 21:33
I really don't like meat as much I didn't like ever love meat, but I sometimes I like, physically can't eat it. Like, it's just off putting to me, like the taste and the smell, like when meat is being cooked, I like, have to leave the room because it makes me feel nauseous. Sometimes.

Scott Benner 21:51
Are always census epic. Yeah, that's interesting. How are you getting your protein? I just

Emma 21:59
eat beet. My fiance. Just seasons it really well. He makes it he makes it yummy. But I, yeah, it's hard. I don't know chicken. I found that going vegetarian, chicken, mostly chicken. Yeah, chicken. Okay,

Scott Benner 22:12
so you're getting some protein every week, yeah? Okay, but you don't like, because Arden doesn't like the overall smell or taste of meat, either. But it was before, it was before her GLP as well.

Emma 22:24
Is she? Is

Scott Benner 22:25
she on it now too? Yeah, she's using Manjaro.

Emma 22:30
Okay, so my I just had a meeting with my Endo. I was talking to her about how I want to lose more weight and whatever, whatever, and she's moving me to Manjaro. Oh, cool. I don't know how different they are. She said that they that Manjaro is more like aggressive, or it like works better.

Scott Benner 22:47
So there's a GLP and a gip in Manjaro. It could help you more with weight loss. It might be easier on some of your gastrointestinal issues. If you're having any, are you having any? Do you want to talk about your poop while we're here? We

Emma 23:01
can go ahead. The truth is, I don't have any, like, I'm pretty regular,

Scott Benner 23:08
to be honest, nice. It comes out the way you like, it's not squishy or nasty or anything like that. No, yeah, it's

Emma 23:13
kind of perfect, I don't know. No complaints. Yeah, perfect.

Scott Benner 23:17
Like, you know, the the different, like, the different kinds of poop.

Unknown Speaker 23:23
Um,

Scott Benner 23:24
you don't know, Emma, this is what we're gonna do. Hold on a second. Hold tight. Okay. I had to do this with the guys helping me with my gut health stuff. And now you're gonna have to do it with me. Let me find the chart of poop. Googling poop chart gets me there, going for that. Hold on a second poop chart takes your right to it. I'll be god damn How about that? All right, ready? You can buy this on uh, Etsy, and hang in your bathroom if you want. Oh, great. All right. So there are seven types of poop, okay? Type one separate hard lumps, like nuts. Severe constipation is that you No, okay. Type Two, sausage shaped, but lumpy. Mild constipation, no, good. Type three, sausage shaped, but with cracks on the surface. I feel like that's me, okay. Type four, sausage or snake, like, smooth and soft.

Emma 24:26
Sometimes that's me. Keep going. I'm

Scott Benner 24:29
gonna keep going, then we're gonna go back. Okay. Type five, soft blobs with clear cut edges, lacking fiber, no. Okay. Type six, mushy consistency with ragged edges, fluffy pieces, nope. Type seven, completely liquid, watery, no. Solid pieces, nope. Congratulations. You have chosen the two of seven stool types that are considered normal. Congratulations. You are a type one diabetic and a type three and a type. Worship. Yeah, look at you. That's very good. It's super exciting. Don't you think

Emma 25:05
I know? Though it is. This is, like, my birthday. This is the best, yeah,

Scott Benner 25:09
you can just Google poop chart if you want, and then go to images, and they're just everywhere. There's also colors of poop we could go over. But I don't think it's necessary. Who got put in charge, by the way, this is the Bristol stool form scale for children, your or for adults, the poop chart who had to animate like, what poor person job was it to draw poop? Do you think? Yeah,

Emma 25:33
I don't know. I hope they got paid well. They

Scott Benner 25:37
didn't trust me. They absolutely didn't. They went home and they said to their fiance, can you believe that I had to draw poop today?

Emma 25:49
I wonder how many pictures they had to look at, like reference photos. That's

Scott Benner 25:53
the other thing. There were reference photos that they had to look at to draw it. And then they probably don't even have health care at their job. Terrible. Oh, all right, Emma, listen now, we know you're pooping, good, that's great, but they're moving. The doctor's moving you because of insulin resistance to the Manjaro or because they think you're going to lose more weight. What is the reason you're being moved?

Emma 26:16
I think it's because they think I want to lose more weight. Okay, I told her I was like, I have a wedding to be in, and I need to be skinnier Morgan, is what I said to her. And she said, Okay, I know

Scott Benner 26:28
you're young, but you want to lose weight because it's healthier for you. Okay, that's also true, and you'll just just look good in your dress because you're healthy. So but I

Emma 26:38
want, but the photos, I want to be able to look at the photos and be like, Oh, I look so happy and pretty. Not Oh, I look so happy, but I am fat. You know. Are

Scott Benner 26:47
you fat now?

Emma 26:48
I Yeah, it's just how you look at yourself, you know, no, but

Scott Benner 26:52
what about let's just use the BMI, the BMI skill. Do you know your BMI?

Emma 26:56
Oh, no, no clue.

Scott Benner 26:57
Hold on a second. Do you know how tall you are? Yeah. What's your height? 5454, you tell me your weight, yeah, 200 Okay, and then we'll get your BMI based on your height and weight. You have a body mass index of 34.3 this falls into the category of obesity. Generally, a BMI between 18 and 24.9 is considered healthy. So that's the way I would hope you would think about it, which is, you're not trying to look nice in a dress. You'll just look nice in a dress. I bet you, first of all, at your current weight, I bet you would look nice in your dress, but I hear what you're saying, and so you could lose, see, you said 30 pounds, but that's not really this happened to me.

Emma 27:42
Let me share with you

Scott Benner 27:45
when I started to lose weight, I was five nine, and I weighed 236 pounds, and my wife said to me, how much weight do you want to lose? And you know what I said, What? 20 pounds? And she goes, 20 pounds, you'll still be fat if you lose 20 pounds. And I was like, hey, actually, that's what she said. And I'm like, No, I'm like, 20 pounds is right? So I get on the juice, I'm hitting the juice, and I'm doing my business, and I'm losing my weight, and I lose 20 pounds, and I look in the mirror. And I thought, Ah, hell, I'm fat. How did I not realize this? Like, how did I not realize where my weight was and what it kind of become, you know what? I mean, they didn't see that. And so I thought, well, 30 pounds, obviously, and then I'm down to 2061, day. And I'm like, Nope, this is not close. And I started, like, looking at my body more about, like, health. And I was like, like, where am I carrying fat? Like, in that like, that fat needs to go for me to be healthy. I lost 2530 3540 45 now I've lost 47 pounds. And if you saw me today, you'd be like, Oh my god, Scott, you look fantastic. And I would say, thank you. And then I would say, I still have to lose weight. Now. I don't feel like weights my issue. I think fat's my issue. Like, I want the fat to go away, especially around my midsection. Don't want to have a heart attack, etc. My knees feel better. I'm healthier. My blood works better. All the other things that are actually important over how you look. Not that how you look isn't important, but all these things are getting better. But I stopped to reflect, and I thought, I don't know how much more weight I have to lose. Like, I don't think of it that way. I think of like, just thinking in terms of like the fat is what I'm saying to you, right? So when that when this fat that I'm squeezing right now is gone, I don't know what I'm gonna weigh, but I don't care, like the numbers completely inconsequential to me. I really don't care about the number I reflected on how far off I was on the number, like I was so wrong about the number. Her, and I don't know how that happened, like, you know, like you talked about your brain, like, getting used to things, or you look in the mirror and you just, you see yourself. You don't see you don't see what you look like five pounds ago, or something like that, for some and it's very quickly your brain tells you, like, this is what you look like. And you're like, Okay. And I'm like, I like myself. So this is great. You know what I mean? Like, I never really used to think about myself in terms of, like, when you ask me to describe myself, I would never describe myself physically. Yeah, I would tell you about, like, my thoughts, or how I think about things, or who I care about, what I do for a living, all those things would come out first. So I just don't think I ever accurately saw my health, especially as an assessment of my of my I guess I should have said I don't think I ever accurately saw my weight as an assessment of my health, like I just was happy with who I was as a person. So I never thought about my weight. And now I look back at a photo, and I think, how could I have thought that that person really only could have used to lose 20 pounds. It's really interesting. I wonder if you're going to go through some of those things as you as you lose weight. Yeah,

Emma 31:08
maybe probably,

Scott Benner 31:10
is it hard to talk about?

Emma 31:12
I weirdly, I have, like, an easier time talking about my than I do this. I don't know. I think it's because, like, as a woman, like, it's something that we have to think about constantly, and so I feel like I've taken the time and the work to like, not think about it constantly, which I'm happy with, because it's not like, impacting my mental health as much, but in that same vein, like, I don't love to talk about it, like even my my grandma, whenever she sees me, no matter what I look like, she's always like, Emily, you've lost weight, you look amazing. Like, even if I, even if I gained 50 pounds, I think she would still say that to me really, because she, like, just sees that as, like, a compliment and something that everyone wants to hear. I think that the younger generations are kind of moving towards, like, why is anybody talking about anyone else's body? Like, why is that even a topic of discussion, especially for women, just because it's so prevalent in society, and like, talking about how other women look, and comparing yourself, and all these things. And so I don't know, I've, I've conditioned my brain to, like, not want to talk about it. And like, I don't know, right?

Scott Benner 32:43
So first of all, I know what you look like, You're adorable, that's the first thing, okay? And like, so like, no one should think otherwise, and you shouldn't think otherwise. But it's interesting, because as you were talking about it, like you almost said something, I feel like you stopped yourself, like I've conditioned myself not to think about my weight that way for my mental health, but you paused, because for your physical health, it's not valuable.

Emma 33:06
But you know that, right? I guess so. I mean, I guess I think the thing about my physical health is that there's so much of my brain power that goes toward my physical health. In terms of diabetes, like, I make so many decisions about my physical health daily because of diabetes that everything else is just kind of, like, non consequential, like, it's not as important to me because my sugars are so important to me. I don't know if that makes sense. No, it

Scott Benner 33:37
does, because and I've I've interviewed a lot. I've recorded a lot. Today, I just talked to a guy who said that he started to gain weight with type one, and he thinks that one of the reasons why it happened is because he started seeing food and carbs as this thing that he could conquer with insulin, and he stopped thinking about it as nutrition or calories. Yeah. And so he's like, it didn't matter how much I ate, if I kept my blood sugar stable. I was like, I win, yeah. And he thought that. It felt like that was his only goal. And then he looked back in hindsight, and he's like, Oh, I was eating way too many calories, but I didn't think anything of it, because my blood sugar didn't go up, right? You know, I definitely relate to that. Yeah, so there's this like, and you're young too. So have you seen the South Park special about ozempic? No, I

Emma 34:30
haven't. Okay,

Scott Benner 34:31
they made a movie, like, a 50 minute movie about, like, ozempic and panchara. It's interesting, and there's a running joke inside of it, which I think took some flack online, but they said that, keeping in mind, this is satire, they're trying to make a bigger point. And basically what they were saying was, hey, if you're if you have money, you get ozempic or Manjaro, and if you don't have money, you get this other medication. And this other medication is body posits. Activity. And, yeah, I laughed, because I was like, oh my god, I see what they're saying, right? Like, big, like, bigger picture, what they're saying is, if you can afford to be thin, then here, and if you can't afford it, then we love you just the way you are. And I was like, Oh, my God. Like, because South Park is, generally speaking, a fairly liberal minded thing, but I think people would hear that as a very conservative view. Does that make sense? Yeah, am I making sense here?

Emma 35:35
Yeah, you

Scott Benner 35:36
are okay, okay, so, like, the idea of like, telling like, it's kind of like, it's kind of the feeling of like, look, we you know, there were, at one point, there were people saying, Look, I love myself the way I am. And everybody's like, Yeah, you should love yourself the way you are. And that at some point that that somehow translated into being unhealthy is okay if you love how you are. And I feel like somehow there's a connection between that and the person who told me that as long as I could conquer the carbs with insulin, I didn't think about the calories. Yeah, and either I'm drawing a really squiggly line or I'm not, I'm not, I'm not sure yet, because I'm in fairness, this is a podcast. I'm talking out loud, trying to figure something out. But you're in that space where you're young enough to think, like, I don't mean it this way, but like, like, you have more liberal views, which everybody has when they're younger. Usually, people's views get more conservative as they get older. You have liberal views, but you're not old enough to actually see the health concerns of extra weight. It makes me feel like if I got you into a time machine and made you 50 years old, and you lived for the next 50 years at a BMI of, like, 36 if you wouldn't go, like, I should have, like, done whatever I could have done back then, because this is where, this is where I am now. Anyway, yeah, it's these two competing ideas that kind of stop people from. It's the it's the psychological piece that stops you from worrying about the physical piece. If that makes sense. Anyway, yeah, and if you have to for your mental health, then that's, of course, I think paramount. But I don't think one doesn't exist because of the other. That makes sense, yeah. Anyway, your insulin needs are down, which is great. You are wanting to lose weight for your wedding.

Emma 37:26
How long until your wedding? A year, year.

Scott Benner 37:29
Oh, congratulations. It'll be in the summer. Yeah, very nice time to do it. Very nice. What is it you're going to do between now and then? Like you said, I'm not exercising. But is that a thing you're gonna add,

Emma 37:40
yeah, no, I bought, I bought a stepper. I also, like, hate going to the gym. It's a similar anxiety to my eating anxiety that I just don't like people observing me when I'm sweaty and gross. So I bought, like, at home, things to do. When we started doing daily, I have started doing daily, and it's, I don't know, it's kind of fun, because I can just, like, watch TV and do things I would normally do when I was sitting on the couch, and now I'm being active, which is nice, yeah, but yeah, but I know otherwise. Like, the thing about, okay, here's the thing, because you were saying how, like, You've lost so much weight and blah, blah, and you're always, like, you're always wanting to lose more. And my thing is that, like, I'm not super like, I see that my goal is 25 to 30 pounds, because I feel like that's totally doable in a year, and I don't want it to become like a completely different part of my life. Like, I like the way that I live, I like the things that I eat, I like the things that I do. And like, I don't know. I don't want, like, losing weight to, like, take over every moment of my day. Yeah,

Scott Benner 38:55
no, I understand. And I also don't want to put a number on it. That's so that would take so much time to get to that it would feel like a failure, even though you were moving in the right direction. Is that right? Yeah. Do you think you'd get to 25 pounds and go, Okay, that took as long as it took. I did it healthily. I'm gonna keep going. Or do you think you'd get to the number no matter what go, I did it, and that would be the end. Part

Emma 39:16
of me thinks I would just get to the number and be like, Okay, this is great, because, like, I remember what I looked like when I was that way. And the thing the thing about that is that however small I've been, I've always been, like, I look big, because that's just how women's brains work. Like we're just always comparing. So I don't know. Truth is, I don't know. I

Scott Benner 39:42
appreciate you talking through it. It's really very nice. It's it's a little listen. The one thing that's off putting about talking to you is you sound like you're 16, even though I know you're not. I know you're 23 and you're a teacher and you're out in the world being an adult and everything, getting married. But when you're talking like i i. There's a voice in my head that's like, don't ask her that she's so young. And then I'm like, No, she's not. Wait a minute. Like, it's hard to talk about, and I appreciate you talking about it, because it's obviously, it's not comfortable. Also, you know, where your body is good for you, your health and your happiness, etc, isn't necessarily tied to a BMI chart, you know, like, it's not at all. I'm happy to say that, like, I really don't care about, like, the number. I just care about my health, like it, really, like it, my blood work is so good now. And I'm like, okay, great, that's one step, but that's not a thing a 23 year old thinks about. And then, you know, like, my next step is to make sure I don't have a heart attack, like, that's literally, like, how I'm thinking about this, you know, my shirt size being smaller is nice and everything and, you know, but that's like, if I wasn't gonna have a heart attack and my blood work was good, I wouldn't, I wouldn't care about that part. Like, I'm gonna probably end up with loose skin. And the truth is, is, I don't think I care about that at all, you know, like, Good, yeah, even though it's visual, like, I don't think it's a thing I care about. You didn't have to adjust your insulin, though, the OmniPod five kind of did it for you, right? You just differently assessed the carbs until the pump caught up to your new need. Is that how you handled it? Yeah?

Emma 41:16
And my, yeah, and I, honestly, I don't I my settings. My endo gets mad at me because of how much I, like, I used to do, like, ghost carbs, because I would like have these highs, and I would like be looking at, like, that number, yeah. And so I would just tell my pump that I was eating even when I wasn't, and I've like, really tried to stop doing that, and I'm doing it less, partly because I'm not having as many highs because of Olympic but also because I'm just telling myself not to do it, and my pump will get smarter if I don't do it, my pump settings, my insulin to carp ratio and correction factor and all that stuff. I don't know how true it is, because for a while my incendi carb ratio was one unit to 10 carbs, because I would like look at food, and instead of seeing the carbs, I would see units, yeah, and so it was easier for my brain to have counter cats that like 10 units because it was easier math. And then my underwear just got mad at me, and she made me change my correct or my heart ratio. So now it's like eight. And so now I'm kind of having to relearn carbs are counting because I Wait.

Scott Benner 42:35
Was it working for you?

Emma 42:36
Yes or No, it was like, it was working fine, but I was like, just working too hard. And she was like, No, your pump settings need to be correct. And I was like, okay,

Scott Benner 42:47
so she made your insulin to carbo shoe a little stronger. Yes, okay. And that worked. That's been helpful. Yeah, have you remembered to go back into your manual settings and change them. So if you ever switch into manual, you're not getting like, like, crazily different amounts of insulin than you need. No, because your total daily insulin today is probably significantly lower than it was a year ago. Yeah,

Emma 43:14
right. I'm just never in manual, though, is the thing? Yeah?

Scott Benner 43:17
Well, you can go in your settings, just see your total daily insulin, do the basal, and then do the breakdown and go back and tell the manual, yeah, side of the pump. What's up? But okay, you don't go into manual ever. So OmniPod five works really well for you. Then,

Emma 43:32
yeah. Well, okay, my at my endocrinologist visit recently, she also suggested that I go to the, oh, it's the new, I should know the name of it. Oh, it's, it's the newer pump for teeth, slim. Is that the name of it? The Moby. I don't know it. It looks like an OmniPod, but it has, like an injection site and like a two inch tube.

Scott Benner 43:57
I think that's a tiny tube. Yeah. What's your A, 1c right now,

Emma 44:01
it's five, five.

Scott Benner 44:03
Why would she want you to change?

Emma 44:05
Because I struggle with my management around my period, and like, going from, like being super sensitive to being super resistant, and like having all that in my head is kind of hard, and like, taxing, right? And so if I were to switch pumps, I could have, like, a period program, basically, yeah, and be like it would. I could be able to make it really accurate, and whatever. And the other thing is that I could do extended boluses, which is something I, like, deeply miss from my OmniPod dash. Okay,

Scott Benner 44:44
yeah. Every time somebody comes on, they say to me, could you please ask OmniPod to put an extended bolus and OmniPod five? And I'm like, I not in charge of that. But okay, yeah, I hear that from a lot of people that they wish it had an extended bolus feature to help with, like, more fatty stuff, and I'm interested. To see what happens to you when they move you to the punjaro though, because I feels like there's a lot more ceiling for you that you haven't gotten to yet. Because the truth like, so we never got to this. So let's go backwards a little bit impact on I find it impacts like, three things. So how fast do you fill up your stomach, your physical stomach? Does your brain tell you you're hungry? Like, so does your brain tell you you're hungry ever sometimes?

Emma 45:25
But it's not. I don't know. The one thing that I've noticed, or if I get interrupt, is like food. Noise is like Gone, which I, like, always had before, right? I don't think about food and like, my next meal, and whatever, whatever I like, don't think about that stuff anymore, which is something that I did think about a lot, but, um, I would say I don't get hungry that often, but sometimes I do, depending on how long it's been since I've eaten, like I haven't I haven't eaten yet today, and I am Not super hungry, and it's like, 12, 130

Scott Benner 46:01
Yeah. So can you contextualize the difference between brain hunger and stomach hunger? I have sometimes a hard time explaining it, but like, you know what I mean? Like you have that empty feeling in your stomach, like you have to eat, versus the like I want food feeling in your head?

Emma 46:21
Yes, I so. I do feel stomach hunger, but not brain hunger.

Scott Benner 46:25
Okay. Do you have trouble eating even when you feel hungry? No, no,

Emma 46:30
not anymore. I think when I first started, I did, but not anymore.

Scott Benner 46:33
Okay. Did you have to teach yourself? I'm starting to think about it that way, like you almost have to teach yourself to eat on a GLP,

Emma 46:40
again, kind of, yeah, at school, I, like, don't eat a lot of food. I kind of only eat like one meal a day, like a big dinner, and then my lunches are like little snack packs with, like tiny crackers and like some cheese and like, that's it. Do

Scott Benner 47:01
you have a feeling for why you haven't lost more weight?

Emma 47:03
I don't know. I don't know just, I guess because, like, the food I'm eating, it's not that it's not nutritious, because I like, I eat my veggies and whatever. But I don't know, my boyfriend cooks with, like, lots of butter and tastes like that, which we're trying to cut that slow down. Yeah, we're not that active. Yeah, I

Scott Benner 47:27
think people think of butter as fat, but there's a lot of calories in butter too. Yeah, interesting. Are you just the person who like because you don't want people to see you sweaty, or because you just don't love activity, both food, noise. My wife talked about the food noise. She told me about it. I brought them up on here before, and she's like, I used to wake up in the morning, and first thing I thought was like, What's for breakfast? Yeah. Then she's like, and then I thought about it right up until I ate breakfast. Then I started thinking about what was for lunch. You know, that's that how it felt for you,

Emma 47:57
yeah. And it was not even like meals, but I'd be like, like, I would be like, bored, and I'd be like, Oh, I just want crackers, or I want like, chips. Like, I feel like it would be something to combat boredom, and I don't feel myself turning to food in that way anymore at all. Nice.

Scott Benner 48:18
That's excellent. Okay. Well, first of all, I wish you luck. I hope the night that the change, I mean, so are they going to put you on 2.5 to start or five of Manjaro?

Emma 48:27
I'm not sure. Okay, it's probably 2.5 for

Scott Benner 48:31
four weeks, then five for four weeks, then seven and a half. And they'll move you up until you get what you're looking for. Yeah? And then adding the activity will be a big deal for you, too. Pretty cool. Do you have trouble drinking water? Because some people even say, like, on the on the GLP, they not only you're not hungry, but you don't think about drinking either.

Emma 48:51
No, I like, I drink water, but I feel like I get dehydrated easier. I don't know I like, I feel like you need to drink more water than I had been. Okay. All right. Okay.

Scott Benner 49:04
So food, noise, hunger. So do your stomach feel empty ever? Like,

Emma 49:10
if I don't eat at school at all, then when I come home, I like, feel hungry in the way that my stomach is empty, which happens like, maybe, like, once every two weeks or something. I'm like, super busy at school, but I'm sorry, a lot of my answers are like, I don't know. Like, I It's weird, because I am someone who, like, researches things and gets super into that. But ozempic, I and and with diabetes, I'm like, super upfront, and I like to wear my sights where they're visible, and I like talk to you about it, yeah. But I think because there's so much stigma with ozempic, especially, I like, I'm not, I don't know. I'm not, like, shouting for the rooftops that I'm on OmniPod, because it's like, I don't know. I What will people think of me, which is like. Not nice, but I don't know. Oh,

Scott Benner 50:02
so, so what will they think of you that you're using a GLP medication?

Unknown Speaker 50:06
Yeah,

Scott Benner 50:07
are you afraid that they'll that'll make them think you have weight to lose? Or do you think, are you afraid it'll make them feel like you're cheating? Or what? What is it out of both?

Emma 50:18
Kind of both, and it's like, it's like, like, I am happy with how I look like, despite every, literally, everything I've said this podcast, like I am happy with how I look, and I don't like, I don't look in the mirror, and I don't hate myself. Like, I really am happy. So I feel like admitting that I'm on this medication I'm always like, but it's for my diabetes management, like it's for my insulin resistance. It's not because I'm trying to lose weight, which is, like, kind of ridiculous.

Scott Benner 50:50
I mean, it is, but I'm trying to figure out why you feel that way. Because I'm mentally

Emma 50:53
ill. I need to get therapist, that's why.

Scott Benner 50:58
But Do you actually believe you're mentally ill? No, that's just what the kids say. It's what the kids say. Do you think you need therapy?

Emma 51:05
I think everyone would benefit from therapy. Wait, even

Scott Benner 51:09
me, yes, I'm just kidding. Of course. I also, I, I get therapy all the time. On the podcast, I get to talk to people about all kinds of stuff. You're afraid of, what people will think I'm so I'm the opposite, like, if people say to me, Oh, God, you look amazing, the first thing I say is, I'm using zepbound. And they go, what? And then I make like, the, like, the motion, like I'm injecting something into my stomach, and they go, Oh, okay. But I haven't cared what anybody's thought of me since I was like, 15. I don't think so. It's awesome. Yeah, it's pretty cool. It just comes from, like,

Emma 51:42
I mean, you don't care, but like, I

Scott Benner 51:45
just, I grew up in a way where I needed to be my own person, you know what I mean, and I couldn't let somebody's opinion of what I was supposed to be doing or or thinking, like, impact me. Or I would have got sucked down a rabbit hole of being what they wanted me to be and I wasn't up for that. Having said that, I still I know that that's not as easy said. It's easier said than done for a lot of people, and I'm just I after I joked about this earlier, I feel weird saying this, but I am just lucky that that's the way my brain works. So you know, I recognize that it's just it's a crapshoot to feel the way you feel about something like I could easily be uncomfortable eating in front of people, and you could be, you know, super confident. And you know what I mean, like, who would know why it happens for one person not the other, right? But yeah, like, I just tell them right away. I'm like, I'm using ozempic work, great. I've lost 47 pounds. Like, oh, my God, that's terrific. You're all done. I'm like, Nope, I want to lose more. How much I'm like, doesn't really matter, but my guess is 15 or 20 pounds, and they go, no, no, you look terrific. I said, Please don't say that, because I don't care how I look. Try not to have a heart attack. One of the things I've run into the most along this journey is people telling me that I've lost too much weight, really, yeah. And I'm like, What is this? Then this thing I can hold on to here in front of me that has nothing to do with anything. It's not an organ. It's not important. It's not a muscle. Like, what is this? You look great, and it's just people are short sighted. They're like, You look better than the last time I saw you, so you're good. Yeah, that's how they think about it. But like, so what would happen if, I don't know if Emma was in the grocery store and some lady walked up to her and said, Oh, do you remember me from church? Let's just say, and you go, I don't remember you from church. She goes, I remember you. You've lost weight, you look great. What happens next in your mind?

Emma 53:38
I would be like, Oh, thanks. And then I would ask her something else, like, I wouldn't because, because, in my head, it's like, why are you commenting on my body?

Scott Benner 53:52
I don't know. Okay, what if you brought it up? What if, if they said to you, my God, you look so much healthier. I'm trying to do that. What did you do and you like were openly,

Emma 54:02
if they asked what I did, then I would be honest, for sure, but only if they asked such

Scott Benner 54:10
an interesting thing between the generations here, if I may, hold on a second, because everybody's judging each other constantly. It's, I mean, right, you do it?

Emma 54:20
Do you not? Yeah, yeah, no, yeah.

Scott Benner 54:23
So are you worried about what people are thinking of you? Because you know what you're thinking about them. No, okay,

Emma 54:28
I don't know. I'm not. I'm not a judgey person, but like you can't not like you can't just turn that part of your brain off. It's part of being a person, and that woman,

Scott Benner 54:38
if it's a human thing, to look at other people and make a judgment. When you talk about it, you say people judge each other like it's a bad thing, isn't it a normal thing?

Emma 54:48
I know in my brain that I'm saying nice things about other people in my head, but I don't I know that other people don't do that. You

Scott Benner 54:56
know, because you hear them. I.

Emma 55:00
No, because I assume the worst of humanity.

Scott Benner 55:06
But do you should I assume the worst of you? No, why would you assume the worst of them? Then it's

Emma 55:13
I don't know them. I don't know who they are, and they're strangers.

Scott Benner 55:17
This is interesting. I'm enjoying this. First of all, it doesn't matter what they think of you, because they have no impact or sway over you at all, like nothing, yeah, and if they're not actually saying it to you, then your worry is only something you're manifesting in your own mind. Right,

Emma 55:33
right? Okay, here's the thing, here's the thing, here's the thing, here's the thing, because it's, it's less about strangers, it's less about people, I mean, on the street, like, I really don't care about people that I don't know. It's more about social media and like, people that I know from high school, who I haven't seen in like, five years. Like, obviously, I look different than I did when I was in high school. And like, thinking about what they think about it and that sort of thing. It's not really about strangers.

Scott Benner 56:05
So it's not your mom, it's not people that you don't know on the streets. It's about people who you tangentially know, who will see you on Instagram. Yes,

Emma 56:15
which is so dumb. Oh, I

Scott Benner 56:17
know I'm listening to you. Yeah. So like, may I ask what seems like the most obvious question, why don't you delete Instagram?

Emma 56:24
Because it's have to be connected so that you can feel badly. No, I here's the thing. I don't I don't post that much on Instagram anymore. Like, I'm not like, it's not something that I obsess over. It's just like, when I feel like I should post, for example, getting engaged. I like, am constantly thinking about that, but if I don't have to post on Instagram, then I don't

Scott Benner 56:50
how many followers do you have on Instagram? Like, over 1000 I'm not laughing at you, but I am. Hold on a second. How many of them do you think are actually still on Instagram? I don't know. Okay, when you put up a picture, how many people like it? What's your number? I know, you know. I definitely know. You know,

Emma 57:07
my normal is like 200 ish, maybe a little bit more. But then my engagement post got like 700 Okay, or something,

Scott Benner 57:18
so a fifth of the people that follow you on Instagram, normally, like your picture, and when you put up your engagement picture, then all those, all those nosy bitches, like, double click, that is that, right? Yeah, okay, and this is a thing you've been like, you've can you've concerned yourself with,

Emma 57:39
yes, because I have to. It's not like I want to think about this. It's because I have to. Emma, do

Scott Benner 57:44
you know what I love about you? What you answer one way, but your voice says, I don't agree with what I'm saying, while you're saying, No, it's

Unknown Speaker 57:53
true. It's like, I hate

Scott Benner 57:56
this. It's fantastic to listen to you argue with yourself. It's like, my favorite thing, and if you don't giggle every couple of seconds, I feel like I'm letting you down. But that's neither here nor there. So you won't delete Instagram because it's very important, but it mostly makes you feel bad, but not because of what somebody says, but because of what you are afraid they're thinking, Yes, you understand this is all anxiety, right? Yes, right. So you don't just have an anxiety about eating in front of people. You have anxiety in general. Anxiety in general. Yes, yeah, you should have my job for a couple of weeks. You'd stop caring what people thought of you. Why? Oh, my God. Because if I got upset every time somebody cursed at me or told me that I'm pushing carbs on people, I'm pushing a GLP agenda. You deleted my comment, and that wasn't fair. You're trying to there. I don't have free speech. And then all the whining and fcking crying from the very what, you realize it's a very small percentage of people. It's not everybody. I have listen because I'm going to talk in your language for a minute. Okay? I have 21,000 Instagram followers. I have 75,000 Facebook followers, and my podcast has over 17 million downloads. Wow, I have reviews that call me a misogynist. Somebody is going to listen to this episode and say that I fat shamed you like no matter what I say or do out loud, someone's going to disagree with me or how I said something, or the word I chose, or that I laughed earlier about, everybody apologizes for everything all the time, because that is a very crazy, like young liberal, woke thing to do. Yeah, I just want to apologize for my privilege before I speak like, Jesus Christ, just say the fcking thing. Like, like, you know what I mean? Like, like, I you have insurance, and somebody else doesn't. Yeah, it's a travesty. It absolutely is. Everyone should have insurance. I'm not saying that, but we can't apologize for every like, how are we ever going to get through a problem if we can't talk about it? Great, we're always apologizing. I used to say all the time that when I was just blogging for diabetes, I would always say that most people's blogs were just so, like, filled with them apologizing before they spoke. They'd spend a paragraph saying, like, Listen, I'm not a doctor. This is not advice. You should not pre bolus your meals. It could be dangerous if you don't eat blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. But by the way, I pre bolus my meal like they'd spend five sentences out of talking you out of pre bolusing before letting you know that they pre bolus. And I was

Emma 1:00:34
that about is that about society? Or is that just about like liability?

Scott Benner 1:00:37
Is that the same thing? If I'm gonna say I just picked up my GLP meds on Friday. You know what? I paid for them? What? $25 so if I don't start by going, I want to just recognize that I have privilege, and I have a good health care and I can afford $25 and and it's also I have a car, and I'm so lucky to have a car, because so many people are are unable to drive, and I was able to drive to the pharmacy and like so I want to really say that I recognize my privilege, which is just basically saying, Here's my disclaimer before I tell you how much my GLP medication costs. And then if I if I recognize my privilege, then you're not allowed to be mad at me, right? But you know, who's mad when people are mad? Who just people who want to be mad? Yeah, yeah. No one's upset that I have insurance. Nobody gives a gift that I have insurance, right? But it but there are people who take great pleasure in going you have something, and they don't. You said it out loud. You're making people feel bad. I'm not making people feel bad. How am I making people feel bad by saying I have health insurance ridiculous in some way, shape or form, that, like apologizing before you're speaking is no different than putting out a disclaimer before you say something valuable, like you're trying to deaden the response that comes back, but you really mean what you're saying.

Emma 1:02:00
Right? Yeah.

Scott Benner 1:02:02
I say to this, I believe that a lot of your anxiety, and even people your age's anxiety, is coming from this thing that you're worried is happening in other people's heads. Yeah, and what I'm saying is them, who cares what they think? Go

Emma 1:02:19
ahead. That sounds wonderful. That sounds wonderful. That sounds wonderful coming out of your mouth. But can I get that in my brain? Sure. No, right now, therapy.

Scott Benner 1:02:26
Well, listen, I just watched this thing. Listen, let me tell you something. Emma, why you say no, maybe I can. Okay, okay, I just watched on the Netflix. I don't know if you're aware of what Netflix is. There was a What's that called when they tell you a bunch of stuff, and it's not entertaining. Oh, Christ. Why is the simplest word escaping me? It's a movie that's informative. To tell you about a thing like a documentary. Thank you, Jesus Christ. That was embarrassing. Okay, so I just watched a documentary that I want to say that rob the editor of the podcast, told me about it's about gut health, right? And at some point in the documentary, there are these people who are using other people's poop to replace their own gut biome. Now let me just say this real quick. Hold on, Emma, nothing you hear on the juicebox podcast should be considered advice medical or otherwise, always consult a physician before making any changes to your health care plan. I said that mostly because of how we were talking about disclaimers medical and I thought it was funny. So anyways, this lady comes on, lady girl, she was in her mid 20s. I think she's talking about her poop doesn't go well, like, just a, I mean, a literal show when she's on the toilet, right? Everything's wrong. Seven, stage, like, six, you got it. You were paying attention. Emma, okay, like, she's got the diarrhea. Things are going wrong. She's like, she said something like, I can't enjoy food, like, I have anxiety when I'm eating because of what's gonna happen later. And she hears about this, these studies they're doing, where they're replacing people's like, gut biome with other people's like, poop like, you know, but very medically. But these are just studies, and this woman's like, gonna do it on her own. So hold on, you don't, don't cut me around. Oh yeah, she's gonna find a friend, right, and have a capsule, and she's gonna eat it. I don't know the details, but she does take her brother's poopy and put it in capsules. And I don't know any of the details, and I'm not joking, try this, okay, because I don't know what I'm talking about. I'm just relaying a story. So she does that, and in some time, she develops, I believe, hormonal acne that she's never had, never had in her life, but her brother has what? Yeah, no, hold on Emma. So then she realizes that's where it's from, and she pivots to her boyfriend's shit. I was just gonna say, oh my god, right. And she pivots to the boyfriend. The Acne goes away. OmniPod, and she starts picking up the boyfriend's mental health issues. What I know, right? There are little bugs that live in your belly. Did you know there are

Emma 1:05:10
bugs in your belly? Oh, and

Scott Benner 1:05:14
they change your the way your body works. This is what she was saying. So what I'm saying is Emma. I think if I shit in a pill and you ate it, you might be more

Emma 1:05:29
confident over Scott. I'm ready. Can I tell you, as long as you'll package them, I don't want

Scott Benner 1:05:38
to do the hard work. Okay? I know none of the details of how this is work. I don't think she just, well, listen, first of all, I don't know, but because they don't go over the details of how it actually happens, I would assume that's on purpose. We could ask chat. GPT knows, but I just want to tell you a second. This is a complete sidebar how proud I am of myself because I've wanted to mention the documentary on the podcast. I had no idea how to bring it up, oh my gosh, and that I fitted it in here and so x, I mean, really expertly wrapped it around all the themes of our conversation. I feel like a ingenious right now. Yes, yeah, no, I really do. No, no, no, seriously, I feel very good about myself right now. But how crazy would that be if, yeah, if that, if something like that is because if your anxiety, like, what if you changed your gut flora and your anxiety changed, this is not beyond the shadow of reasonability. If you listen to that documentary,

Emma 1:06:36
by the way, what was the name of the documentary? Well, remember? I

Scott Benner 1:06:40
mean, remember is a strong word. I couldn't remember the word documentary five minutes ago. But hold on a second, I'll find out for you. Props to rob, by the way, hack your health, the secrets of your gut. Okay, I enjoyed it. Don't look at the rot and tell you to score. Those people didn't like it at all. But I also think they said something about autism that pissed off a bunch of people whose kids have autism, so that might have hurt the Rotten Tomatoes score. Nevertheless, I don't know how valuable the information in that documentary is, but I will say this that I thought, my God, that girl got hormonal acne after never having it her whole life, and then picked up her boyfriend's mental health issues, like when she changed to his gut biome. And I was like, so they're looking at how to do this, but, but try to imagine, imagine one day in the future, you go to the doctor and say, Hey, I have social anxiety, and I'm very worried about what people think to the degree that I can't eat in front of people. And, you know, blah, blah, blah. And they walked up to you with a shaker, and they were like, hey, here you go. You said, What's this? You said, I just some shit from a really confident person. Oh, my God, my God. The

Emma 1:07:47
future is just, it pills, everything. No more medication. Just,

Scott Benner 1:07:54
I'm telling you, it's, I don't know that. It's crazy, pills and chat GPT taking over the world will just be robots and poopy pills everywhere. All right? Emma pills, poopy pills. Yeah, it's all about poopy pills, right now, that's what I'm saying. The whole world's just shit pills. You said, Have we fixed anything here today for you? Or no?

Emma 1:08:17
Fixed a strong word giving you a different perspective, like, right? Yes, I do feel like I've gained a different perspective. I have many things to think about. We'll probably be looking for a therapist as well.

Scott Benner 1:08:31
How many more therapy sessions with me until you're not anxious anymore? Do you think?

Emma 1:08:36
Yeah, I don't know. Yeah, I'd have to start paying you big bucks. First of all, I

Scott Benner 1:08:39
can't collect a fee on that because I'm not a physician, and that would be that would be against the law. But I want to say that I also don't think that anything about, you know what's funny? May we be serious just for fun at the end here. Yes, a lot of people write me and tell me that listening to the podcast has helped them with a lot of problems like this, and people who have been on the show have written me back to say that they've made some pretty big changes after our conversation. So I don't know that it's crazy, but it does seem unlikely to me, because you just said something so interesting a minute ago. You're like, how do I put that in my head? And I don't, obviously, I don't know that there's an answer to that, especially if it also could be biological, right? Is your mom anxious?

Emma 1:09:27
I think so. I'm very similar to my mom in a lot of different ways. Part of

Scott Benner 1:09:30
the documentary says that when you're in there cooking in the belly, you don't have any bacteria, and your first introduction to bacteria is coming face first through the hoochie canal, and you pick up hoochie stuff, bacteria, and then it's actually valuable that I can't believe I'm saying this. It's actually valuable that you come out near the mom's butthole, because you pick up some bacteria there that helps you right away to digest food and stuff like that.

Emma 1:09:57
Interesting, isn't that crazy?

You think any of that's true?

Scott Benner 1:10:02
I don't know. I don't either, but I'm going to talk more about documentaries on the podcast, because it's fun, but isn't that crazy? So you get those, you get bacteria like, moment one coming out, and then you've taken more through all these different things, and then you get this little like mix. But what if you started out with your mom's anxious bacteria. God, I wonder if any of that's

Emma 1:10:23
true, but I feel like my brother is not anxious. Maybe he came out first. Yeah, I don't know. I guess

Scott Benner 1:10:30
his face would still end up near a butthole at some point, though.

Emma 1:10:32
No, no, no, Scott, we were both C sections Oh, that's

Scott Benner 1:10:37
another thing they talk about in the in the documentary, that people who are C sectioned have different bacteria issues.

Unknown Speaker 1:10:42
This documentary covers everything. Oh, and please go watch

Scott Benner 1:10:45
it. Of course, really, of course you do, by the way. Now people are gonna be like Scott's listen to pseudoscience and blah, blah, blah again. Let me be clear, if you're thinking about it right now, go yourself. It's just a podcast and it's free. Don't listen if you don't like it. Okay, I don't care, by the way. I do care. I genuinely care. Please listen. I need to listen. But no, but, um, yeah, no, I listen. The details are auspicious, because my brain's not good, but I they talked about that there's a difference between being C sectioned and vaginal birth. Did your mom not love you enough to have you vaginally? What happened there?

Emma 1:11:18
I don't know exactly, honestly? Well, I know that my brother was C section, and then you can't deliver vaginally once you've had a C section,

Scott Benner 1:11:26
yeah, then they talk about the zipper, right? Like you just kind of pop it back open again, bring the baby out. Yeah, yeah, wow. Uh, also, I don't think if your mom didn't have you vaginally, that this doesn't love you. That was sarcasm, in case some of you can't hear that. Oh, that's interesting. All right, okay, I don't know. I love you, Emma.

Emma 1:11:45
I love you too. Thank you. This is awesome.

Scott Benner 1:11:48
I swear to God, these are the best conversations. I don't know what the UF you and I talk about, but like I told you, before we started recording, Isabelle, like, sent me a note. She's like, at the end of Emma's episode, you said you were gonna get back on and talk about her ozempic. And she's like, are you doing that book that she's such a nice girl. And I'm like, okay, she loved you. That's so sweet. Yeah, that nice,

Emma 1:12:10
yeah. All right. Would

Scott Benner 1:12:11
you have any questions for me?

Emma 1:12:13
I don't think so. Okay. Would you Well, okay. Would you actually be interested in booking an episode with Jose? He does not have diabetes, but he's similar to you and a caretaker way. But I don't know if you talk to people like that on here. Is that worth it? I don't know.

Scott Benner 1:12:27
Periodically I have once or twice. It's usually like one time I did a sister who had type one and her non type one sister. I interviewed both of them. I thought that was interesting. I think the problem becomes like, genuinely, the problem becomes, is that I get them on I say, like, so you're taking an interest in Emma's diabetes. He goes, Yes. And then I go, how so? And he goes, I understand, like, how to bolster things, stuff like that. I'm like, Oh, that's cool. That's nice of you. And then I don't know where it goes from there. Yeah,

Emma 1:12:56
no, that makes total sense. You like, it does not hurt my feelings that you are not interested in that at all. How

Scott Benner 1:13:01
is this the thing that doesn't hurt your feelings like an absolutely here you were absolutely turned down, like a person said directly to you, no, I don't like your idea. And you're like, that's

Emma 1:13:11
fine. No, no, no, for real. I'm just saying to your podcast, but it's not mine. But if

Scott Benner 1:13:17
you thought about putting up an Instagram post about this, wouldn't you kill yourself for six months wondering how I would respond.

Emma 1:13:23
Maybe, perhaps, Emma, did

Scott Benner 1:13:26
I tell you that worry is a waste of imagination? The last time we spoke?

Emma 1:13:29
No quote though. Yeah, it really is.

Scott Benner 1:13:33
You're wearing yourself to death. All you people out there, all you anxious people. I know it's not on purpose, by the way, I feel terrible like I'm being super serious, like I've had so many conversations with people who suffer with anxiety, and all you feel while you're talking to them is, I do really wish I could get in a pill and make them not feel this or what I don't really having that kind of lack of, that nervousness and that, that one wondering, I can't imagine How upsetting it is to feel like shackled by it. Yeah, you know it's,

Emma 1:14:04
it's quite debilitating at some points. Yeah, but it's not, it's not a constant thing for me, at least, which is good,

Scott Benner 1:14:10
right? Well, you do well, I mean, you, you teach people like that. You don't have any trouble with being in front of those people while they're No,

Emma 1:14:17
yeah, no. And like, when I'm in teacher mode, I feel like my anxiety goes away completely, like I could be in front of the entire elementary school, which I have to do weekly. I don't get nervous about it at all. That's

Unknown Speaker 1:14:28
fascinating kids, is

Emma 1:14:29
it just kids? It's like they're the

Scott Benner 1:14:32
judges, people on the planet. No, but they're,

Emma 1:14:35
but they're elementary kids. Like, when you get to middle school, it's like, I would never teach middle school in a million years. But like elementary kids, they're just like, sweet and they love you, or they love me at least. Have you seen

Scott Benner 1:14:46
all those end of year tiktoks from teachers, the ones who write down every thing a kid said to them all year and then read some into their camera.

Emma 1:14:53
But that's middle school and high school usually is right? I guarantee, yeah.

Scott Benner 1:14:57
Are you poor one kid? Ask the lady. She goes, why? And she goes, any kid says, because of those pants you're wearing,

Emma 1:15:04
oh my gosh, oh

Scott Benner 1:15:06
my God, just a launch. There's a never ending supply of videos of teachers telling you the things that students told them that year, and they're really horrifying. Yeah, so, but you're saying younger kids are all like, in a different mode, yeah,

Emma 1:15:21
like, like, I have gotten the worst I've gotten was after I got engaged, I came to school and all the kids were, like, so excited, and they all went to see my ring, and they were really sweet about it. And then one of my kindergarteners, like, saw all the commotion. She came up and she was like, are you pregnant? And I was like, No, I'm not pregnant.

Scott Benner 1:15:46
I'm already trying. I got it was epic. I'm working on it. Okay,

Emma 1:15:53
right? Yeah, but she didn't mean by it. It was just her being sweet and trying to be excited. I don't know. She saw

Scott Benner 1:15:58
a bunch of people being excited around you, and her mind went to, oh, she's having a baby, yeah, but that you didn't see poorly. You didn't say, Oh, my God, that kid's judging my weight. No, you're fascinating, Emma. How come on? It's because they're kids.

Emma 1:16:13
Yes, it's because they're kids and they're pure, yeah, I don't know it's much. It's easier. Here's the thing, I It's so much easier for me to be around kids and old people like I don't like being around people my age. Isn't that weird? No,

Scott Benner 1:16:30
I see what you're saying. See, because this goes to show how close you are to not having to suffer with this. Because if they're children of a certain age, you believe their thoughts are pure, and you think that old people's thoughts are pure, no, no, just easier

Emma 1:16:44
to talk to because, because they're, like, easier to joke with. I don't know I feel like, I feel like I'm an old soul in that way. I just find it easier because I'm listening. Because when I'm at school, I'm in teacher mode, and I'm not like my 20 year old self. I'm like, pretending I'm a teacher or an authority figure because I have to, because I'm a teacher, and I have a bunch of fifth graders who will bully me if I don't. So

Scott Benner 1:17:08
you make it as a teacher, yes, and you're comfortable with older people because they're more mature, and you feel like because of that, they're easier to talk to, they've seen more of the world. Do you think that they're going to be less judgmental because they've they're beyond it all,

Emma 1:17:21
I think so. And it's also because I feel like they look at me and they're like, Oh, she's just a fun one year old, and she's so cute and fun. But that's

Scott Benner 1:17:30
your opinion of what they think, yeah. Also, it was your opinion of what the kids think, and your opinion of what the people online might think, yeah, yeah. You don't actually know any of these people, no, right? Well, but can I tell you some things I know about old people for sure? What's two things I can tell you for sure what they're judging every moment of your life? Okay, that's the first thing, because they're alive. And the second thing is, if they're in a home, they're in like rabbits. You understand what I'm saying right now? Please. No, they are. They are. They are. Think about it. I want you to think about it. No, I actually don't. Anyway, do you know that you might not find a higher instance of STDs than in an old folks home?

Emma 1:18:14
That's horrifying information.

Scott Benner 1:18:16
Well, now you know those are the people you're comfortable

Emma 1:18:19
with. Oh my gosh. I actually, just to be clear, I actually did mean my coworkers who are probably around your age. That's actually

Scott Benner 1:18:29
old. You meant like me, so not like geriatric. Yeah, I'm very judgmental too. But see, it's funny, I don't see myself as judgmental. I generalize a lot because I think it's a quicker way to get to something, and I don't have time to, like, learn everybody's like, you know what I mean, like everyone's ins and outs when most of the ins and outs are fairly similar. But I don't, I really don't judge people like i And it's funny, because if I said that, if ARD was in here and I said, I don't judge people. We would then have a two hour podcast about it. Okay, actually, that's a great idea. But I don't feel judgmental of people. I genuinely do not care what you do, what you think, how you are like I really don't care. I am incredibly interested in it, and because of that, I talk about it a lot, and I wonder out loud about people's motivations and what they do in my personal life and on the podcast, etc. Yeah, but I have no judgment about it. Like you said, your height and weight earlier, I didn't have a thought in the world. I didn't go, oh, that means a thing. I just thought, I need those numbers so I can tell you what your BMI is, so we can talk about it like that and and I don't like I have no judgment about it whatsoever, none. I have no opinion about whether you should or shouldn't lose weight. I don't care. I get involved in these conversations. But me, personally, I'm very agnostic about things. Yeah, I really, genuinely, I genuinely don't give a what any of you do. You don't. To jump off a bridge if you want to do I'd be like, Oh my god, that was horrible, and that would be the last time I think about it. And so like, yeah, agnostics the right word,

Emma 1:20:08
Yeah, but you're not Wow. No, no, all right, I

Scott Benner 1:20:12
don't know what you're gonna do. Yeah? Is Jose anxious? Not

Emma 1:20:17
as much as me. Well, I feel like we're anxious about different things, interesting, like, he he has some relationship anxiety, but I don't at all with you, yeah, just because of, like, past relationships, like nothing that I've done. Oh, he thinks you're gonna break up with him. No, no. But when I get upset, he gets super anxious.

Scott Benner 1:20:42
Oh yeah, Disney from a divorced family, yes, yeah. He thinks you're gonna get he thinks your thing's gonna when he sees the angry people, he thinks there's gonna be a disillusion of the family, right? Yeah, I used

Emma 1:20:54
to feel like that. I don't carry any anxiety in our relationship at all. About

Scott Benner 1:20:59
your relationship. You have no anxiety, yeah, which is so beautiful. Just about your Instagram posts,

Emma 1:21:06
yeah, but you won't get rid of Instagram, no, because it's important. Yes,

Scott Benner 1:21:13
all right, I don't know what to do. We're finished. Now it's over.

Unknown Speaker 1:21:18
Yeah, we're not

Emma 1:21:19
gonna go anywhere from here. Yeah, there's

Scott Benner 1:21:21
nowhere to go. Just delete the thing. What do you care? Seriously, I only have it because I have this podcast. Yeah, that's fair. Yeah, if I didn't have this podcast, I wouldn't know what Instagram was. Wow, what's that like? It's fantastic because you're old, that's why, yeah, but what is okay? One last thing. What does that mean? Why? Because I'm older. Do I not care about Instagram? Because I grew up with Instagram, just like I grew up, I had a computer to stop it. Like, like, no, no, I had a computer. I had the internet. I know how to like, I know all about that. I've had all the little different social media things coming up, whatever those things were called, then Facebook, when it was huge, and blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, but why does it matter?

Emma 1:22:09
Oh, no, here's the thing, here's the thing. No, here's the thing, because it answers it doesn't. But also, I don't live in my hometown where I grew up, and I also don't live where I went to college, so I have all these people around the country who I'm friends with who are doing things I don't know what they're up to, unless I I'm

Scott Benner 1:22:30
gonna say something horrible. Are you really friends with them if you don't know what they're up to? Oh, okay, but aren't they just followers who you've met in person once?

Emma 1:22:41
No, not once. No, these are like friends from college in high school.

Scott Benner 1:22:48
When you're 40, you're gonna think back on those people and go, I wonder what happened to him, and you're gonna have no idea, and you're not gonna care. And if he's only presenting himself like, do you present yourself as you are on Instagram or the best version of you? Oh, the best version. Then, do you really know how those people are no, but I want to know what they're up to. I

Emma 1:23:06
don't know when they're getting engaged. Well, you

Scott Benner 1:23:08
want to know what they're up to. They think to pull out their phone when they think they have a good photo to take. That's not what they're up to. Emma, I'm right. It's okay if you don't want to.

Emma 1:23:17
But the thing is that Instagram is not going away. Social media is not going away.

Scott Benner 1:23:21
It goes away be the leader. It's completely gone. For the same reason. I don't understand how somebody could become cyber bullied. I don't understand why you won't delete Instagram.

Emma 1:23:32
Yeah. Well,

Scott Benner 1:23:33
do you know who? I know for sure is real, what? Right now I could walk downstairs at this moment in my life. See my son, my daughter, my wife and two dogs. These are the people I know for sure are alive. That's it. My neighbors left to go somewhere a couple of days ago. They could be dead. I have no idea if they never came back. I wouldn't even think twice about it. I'd be like, I wonder why that house is like, just sitting there. That's maybe what I would think. Okay, so like, and if my neighbor, I'm using them as an example, because they're lovely people. And this is definitely not happening. If my neighbor was somewhere right now seated, and he had 20 people around him, he goes, I want to tell you a story about a mother named Scott, okay, and he was bad mouthing me, like he was using all the like, the favorites, like, I should just get up all my bad reviews and read them. He's saying those types of things about me, right? Like just a horrible person, and blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, and he doesn't care about these. Is a massages now, he had this girl on one time. She was a stripper. He talked about her boobs. What a idiot, all that stuff. Okay, by the way, she's a stripper. What do you want me to talk to her about physics? Also, she's a lovely girl, and I really like her, and, but that's not the point. Yeah, he's off in the world somewhere, trashing me right now, I'm unaware of it. Does it matter? It matters to you, doesn't it?

Emma 1:24:49
I think so. Yeah, I

Scott Benner 1:24:51
don't give a why would it matter? There's 20 people I've never met before, three states over my neighbors telling them bad stuff about me. Why does it matter? Her, Emma, you're not going to help me because you don't think, yeah, because you agree with me.

Emma 1:25:06
I do.

Scott Benner 1:25:08
When's this going to change? What do you think will happen that'll that'll shift you? I

Emma 1:25:12
think maybe when I like, have a family, when I have my own kids, when I'm I don't know, worrying too much about their life and I can't I don't just have to worry about mine.

Scott Benner 1:25:23
Is it wrong of me to say when you have something that's actually worth worrying about to worry about? No,

Emma 1:25:27
no, that's probably true. Okay, all right. Oh, this episode's

Scott Benner 1:25:31
gonna get me in a ton of trouble. I hope you're happy. I can't wait to see that. I can't wait to see the reviews. Let's see which one of you is wokest When you review my conversation with Emma. Good luck. You

Emma 1:25:41
think they'll listen this way, all this way. There's no

Scott Benner 1:25:44
way they make it to them. No, no, we lost them. They were already writing the bad review back when I said, I don't I don't want to apologize for having health insurance before I talk about something like, yeah, they're already like this motherfucker, although used like words that make them sound fancy? Yeah, you want me to read you the words. I can find it for you real quick. Gonna find the last bad review and tell you what they said. I'm sure the last social justice warrior who left her review called me a misogynist. On a second, we'll find out I have a daughter.

Emma 1:26:14
Wait, so where do they write these reviews?

Scott Benner 1:26:16
I gonna tell you that.

Emma 1:26:19
Why don't you delete that app. You

Scott Benner 1:26:21
can't, because I get a report about I have I'm a business owner. I get a report about them sent to me.

Emma 1:26:29
Well, delete those emails. Okay, well, I

Scott Benner 1:26:31
don't read them with Listen, do I sound worried about this review? No, oh, here. Oh, here's the last person that hit me on the here's my latest privilege email.

Emma 1:26:41
Oh gosh, take

Scott Benner 1:26:42
a shot. Lose weight one star. I assume they would have given me zero stars if it gave them the opportunity. Wait, that's all they said. No, that's the title. Oh, as a person with type one that has struggled with body image issues, listening to Scott talk about how great he looks and feels because of we go, V is getting really annoying. That was wearing capital is really an annoying. And they used, and I want to be clear, I don't want to get this wrong. 123, it looks like six exclamation points. So I think they really meant it. If only we could all just take a shot to lose weight. Check your privilege. I want the person to know who wrote that, that, when I read that, I laughed like a son of a bitch, like I was like, how could that possibly bother them so much that they were like, how do you leave a review for this podcast? I have a weight loss diary trying to help people understand what it's like to be on a GLP medication because a lot of people are using it. I'm being incredibly honest while I'm on there, because I don't think it's going to be helpful if I get on and pretend, and I also don't think it'll be helpful if I get on and apologize for 20 minutes every time before I say something that you need to know anyway. That was that was that one. A lot of these are really great. I don't want to lie to you these. A lot of these are actually fantastic. Five stars, incredibly helpful. Uh, thank you for doing this. Everyone should have the juicebox podcast. All right. Fairness, there's not a lot of bad but I don't know. I fully admit, I don't understand why anybody would leave a review for anything. I've listened to things that I've completely disagreed with, and it has never made me want to leave a review for it. I don't understand, like, your whole generation of like, my thoughts are so important, I'm going to put them here. You know, who sees those reviews? Nobody, and if they do, it's because they're trying to figure out if this podcast is going to help them with their diabetes. And you may have just talked them out of trying it. And by the way, I don't talk about a GLP medication in the Pro Tip series, the bowl beginning series, or a number of other places where people with type one diabetes learn how to be healthy and take good care of themselves. So I hope that person's happy they probably just killed a child. Can you hear sarcasm? Emma anymore? It's yeah, okay, it's

Emma 1:28:51
okay. That's so funny. Yeah,

Scott Benner 1:28:56
I'm done. Are you okay?

Emma 1:28:57
Yeah,

Scott Benner 1:29:00
you get me very chatty.

Unknown Speaker 1:29:02
I'm so glad. I

Scott Benner 1:29:03
appreciate this. Thank you so much. Hold on one second. You're just gonna keep talking. You're so amenable.

Emma 1:29:12
I'm I like I said. I don't have anything else going on today. It could be a six hour episode. I

Scott Benner 1:29:17
can't afford to edit a six hour episode. The guy that does these swear words you're gonna have to bleep out? Yeah, I can't even afford to run this one. But okay, hold on a second.

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