#1256 Fertile Myrtle

July 18, 2024Scott Benner

Diagnosed with type 1 diabetes at 30 weeks pregnant on Christmas Eve, Jenny faced a tumultuous journey, including DKA and numerous hospital stays.

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Scott Benner 0:00
Hello friends and welcome to episode 1256 of the Juicebox Podcast.

When Jenny was 31 years old at 30 weeks pregnant with her second baby, she was diagnosed with type one diabetes on Christmas. Please don't forget that nothing you hear on the Juicebox Podcast should be considered advice, medical or otherwise, always consult a physician before making any changes to your health care plan or becoming bold with insulin. If you're looking for community around type one diabetes, check out the Juicebox Podcast private Facebook group Juicebox Podcast type one diabetes, but everybody is welcome type one type two gestational loved ones. It doesn't matter to me. If you're impacted by diabetes, and you're looking for support, comfort or community check out Juicebox Podcast type one diabetes on Facebook. When you place your first order for ag one with my link, you'll get five free travel packs and a free year supply of vitamin D. Drink ag one.com/juice box. I actually took a break from recording this to order myself some shorts for my upcoming vacation from cozy earth.com I used my own offer code juice box and I save 30% off of my entire order. By swear that just happened. I don't know why I'm so easily distracted. Having an easy to use and accurate blood glucose meter is just one click away. Contour next one.com/juicebox That's right Today's episode is sponsored by the contour next gen blood glucose meter. This episode of The Juicebox Podcast is sponsored by the ever since CGM. And sure all CGM systems use Transcutaneous sensors that are inserted into the skin and lasts seven to 14 days. But the Eversense sensor is inserted completely under the skin lasting six months ever since cgm.com/juicebox.

Jenny 2:08
My name is Jenny and I live in Wisconsin. I was diagnosed with type one. And about it was Christmas Eve of 2021. Christmas Eve. It was horrible. Yeah. Yeah. So yeah, but I was at the time. 31 years old. So yeah, that kind of was very a jarring experience. I was also 30 weeks pregnant. No. Yeah. So it was just it was a very tumultuous time and I was in Ohio. There was a lot going on. I feel like was just

Scott Benner 2:48
did you say Ohio? Like just telling me you weren't at home at the time or because you have some problem with Ohio?

Jenny 2:55
No. We were traveling to see family and yeah, it just kind of everything hit the fan. Okay. On Christmas Eve when we were there.

Scott Benner 3:04
I was gonna say you're not from Wisconsin, are you?

Jenny 3:06
I am actually you were born there and raised? I was are you saying that? Because you don't hear an accent?

Scott Benner 3:12
I don't hear it the same way I expect it to be. Yeah.

Jenny 3:16
Well, if I said like bagel or bag, it's like the nasal a.

Scott Benner 3:22
That's probably you. You're a little more nasally and not as Canadian. Right?

Jenny 3:27
Well, I am from Madison. So it's like the southern part of Wisconsin, which is I think, a little bit it can be a different.

Scott Benner 3:35
Thanks, Madison like a college town? Yes.

Jenny 3:39
Isn't that where Jenny? She went to UW Madison.

Scott Benner 3:42
I don't tell Jenny's personal details on that. But my brother, my brother moved there when he was young and never came back.

Jenny 3:49
Oh, yeah. We love it. It's I grew up here. And then I actually went to Ohio State for school, okay, and then met my husband. And then after he completed grad school, we were like, Let's go anywhere in the country and live and like start our own world. And then he got a job at Madison, my hometown. So yeah, I know, it was like one of those things. And of course, his family was like, did you guys plan this? Like, are you trying to go to her family? Oh,

Scott Benner 4:16
there's no way his mom didn't think that you hooked him into that whole thing.

Jenny 4:20
I know. It was it was a complete shock to me. And we were just kind of being directed by his career path. So it was let me

Scott Benner 4:27
tell you how it went. She goes, she gets her friends together. And she goes, I'll tell you what she did. She waited till he had his advanced degree and she knew he could make some money and then he got her finish. Then she showed him the goods and then brought him back to Madison. That's exactly I know.

Jenny 4:41
That's exactly I'm pretty sure she's still 10 years and I think she still thinks that

Scott Benner 4:46
she's hilarious. Well, what bad luck I just love the idea of like, the world is our oyster. Let's go home. Exactly. Yeah. And for him. I mean, I don't know what's worth Ohio or Wisconsin like they both sound I mean, no offense, but

Jenny 4:58
no Well, it's funny you say that yesterday we had like, 70 degree day and today is 16. So stupid. It's like what the heck?

Scott Benner 5:08
I would imagine people would be running around on the streets yelling. I'm crazy. I feel crazy. Yeah. Well,

Jenny 5:14
yeah. Well, it is funny. It's like if you catch people like on a sunny day in Wisconsin in the winter versus like a cloudy, rainy, snowy, gloomy day, you get to different people. No, no,

Scott Benner 5:25
I am. I imagine that's true. Okay, so let's pick through this a bit. How many kids do you have?

Jenny 5:32
I actually just had my third at the beginning of this month. No, geez. Yeah. All right. So

Scott Benner 5:37
what how old are they? What are their ages? My

Jenny 5:39
son is three and a half. He'll be four and a couple months. And then my daughter is one and a half will be two. And then my son was just born out February's second. Wow.

Scott Benner 5:50
I don't I don't want to be crass. But you are pumping them out.

Jenny 5:55
I know. Yeah. We're, we're well aware of that. That's like our dynamic right now is just like we keep looking at each other. Like, what do we get ourselves into? Yeah.

Scott Benner 6:04
I mean, you should stop. I feel like you bought like a parakeet. And then you looked up and you had 10 of them. And you're like, I don't know why I did this.

Jenny 6:10
Well, that's the funny thing, too, is we also have two cats and a dog. And so it's like, literally like you look around and you're like this is a zoo. Like we're in a zoo. Do you work? No, I don't I after my daughter, my second child was born. I stayed home with the kids.

Scott Benner 6:25
So you're telling me that your food in the house? Like if you opened your cabinets right now there'd be food in it?

Jenny 6:33
I think so. Yeah. Okay. So

Scott Benner 6:34
you're telling me that if I get a grad degree somewhere and then moved to Wisconsin, I can take care of another person and three children, a couple of dogs and some other stuff. And do you live in a house? You do? Yeah. What the hell kind of magic places this? Right.

Jenny 6:51
Well, it's Yeah, I mean, it's, it is were kind of isolated out here in the wilderness, Wisconsin.

Scott Benner 7:00
My husband rides a cow to work and, yes, the milking. So yeah, but no, that's, that's astonishing. Like you couldn't live here with three kids. And one income?

Jenny 7:11
Oh, well. Yeah, it's actually funny, you say that Madison actually has a very high cost of living it just for our stories. Really, I think a lot of like, we got into our house right before a big like, the market, you know, kind of like a timing thing. I feel like it really worked out in our favor. Are we avoiding

Scott Benner 7:29
saying the husband's like a hedge fund manager or something like that? Like,

Jenny 7:33
no, not at all. So yeah, it was just it's, I feel like we we lucked into a lot of like timing things as well as just yeah,

Scott Benner 7:41
no. All right. Well, good for you. I mean, seriously, that's wonderful. Although you seem a little too comfortable making the babies I think maybe that should stop. I mean, you're not gonna have more kids. Sorry. Jen is like,

Jenny 7:54
well, I feel comfortable with three. My husband has always been like four to five. And so we're navigating? Do

Scott Benner 8:02
I have to be? Is he a prepper? Do I have to be looking out for this guy?

Jenny 8:06
Yeah, no, I don't know. I mean, it's just, I think it's kind of like he's literally has this dream of like, sitting at the end of like, a huge dining room table and looking around, it'd be like, This is my, you know, all my kids. Like my broom,

Scott Benner 8:18
he's gonna be at work while they're at the dining room table. And they're all going to be fighting over the last porkchop. So we better calm down.

Jenny 8:26
I think that is it is kind of a weird, you know, thing to think through of like, How many kids do you want? What type of parent and how involved you want to be and it's crazy.

Scott Benner 8:35
Have you ever considered maybe he doesn't understand how sex works? Maybe he just likes the sex part. What if you told him that it was possible to do it without making a baby? Do you think he'd be like, Oh, I don't need this many kids then.

Jenny 8:44
Yeah, I have to run through this and slides with him of like, this is how it all works.

Scott Benner 8:49
Yeah, I mean, I gotta tell you, I know a lot of boys. And if every time ended with a baby, each person would have 10,000 babies.

Jenny 8:58
That is, yeah, I one of my friends is like, you're just like fertile, Merle over there. What's going on? Like, okay. Oh, Jenny,

Scott Benner 9:04
are you trying to name your episode?

Jenny 9:08
This is so hilarious. It's like my husband's gonna die. He's like, Yeah,

Scott Benner 9:12
well, listen, he's got it. He's halfway to death. Now. He's probably exhausted from having sex. All right. Wait a minute. So you're the only type one is there any other autoimmune. My

Jenny 9:21
sister has celiac, which I was trying to think is that about it is, and weirdly, the same time I was diagnosed with type one, she was diagnosed with celiac and also very pregnant. So it's like, those are considered.

Scott Benner 9:39
Now when you said very pregnant or do you just mean towards the end of the pregnancy?

Jenny 9:43
Oh, no. Near the end of it. Oh,

Scott Benner 9:46
I wasn't sure if you were like she was so big. i You should have saw. Yeah. I wasn't sure if that's what you're going for. I

Jenny 9:51
have no place to speak to that was like, again the most way to my life and this last pregnancy. So Wow. New barriers.

Scott Benner 10:01
I'm a trendsetter, Scott. Exactly. So okay, so first, so you're 30 weeks pregnant 31 years old in 2021. And you get type one diabetes. So prior to that you were maybe around 28 ish and pregnant, maybe 26. And pregnant Is that about right? Doesn't need to be exact.

Jenny 10:20
This was actually my second point. Oh, that was your second. Sorry. No, it gets very muddled because I literally was like, I think I've been pregnant or breastfeeding, like, more time than I've not. I mean,

Scott Benner 10:31
slow down. Maybe, maybe give your nipples and your Bucha break or second reverse.

Jenny 10:38
Screaming the same thing.

Scott Benner 10:42
By the way, I found a way to say that it doesn't have to be believed. But yeah, I think that's I think that can stay with it. But seriously, like, Jesus Christ, Will you calm down?

Jenny 10:54
I know. I know. So yeah. Well, it what was interesting was because I actually so we found out with my daughter, we are pregnant in like July of 21.

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Jenny 14:11
A actually ran a half marathon, like while pregnant. And then right after that was the gestational diabetes test. And it came back like slightly elevated. I actually just looked the other day and it was like my ANC was six. Oh, and so they were like, Oh, you have gestational diabetes. So like they're like let's, you know, try to work on your eating and then we'll retest you. And then they did that a couple of weeks later. And they were like, Oh, this is like a I don't even know what they call it like a strong case of gestational diabetes. So you need insulin. And so when I we are going to Ohio for Christmas, I was already like use it. I think it was just that long acting insulin at that time. It was just kind of like a low level dose. And I don't even think anyone was looking at the numbers. It was just kind of like You just need a little help with your numbers. And so using that my son had gotten norovirus at the beginning of December, and then passed it to me right as we were leaving for Christmas to go down to Ohio. And so they actually believe that is what triggered my T one D diagnosis. Is

Scott Benner 15:19
it not possible that that wasn't gestational diabetes, that it was just an a slow onset of type on

Jenny 15:23
it, but the weird thing is, is so when all this was happening, so it was basically like the drive down to Ohio, we stopped to eat somewhere, and I like randomly checked my sugar. And it was like, over 200 And I had never seen that before. And so I had been on the phone with the doctors. By that time we driven all the way to Ohio, my sugar was climbing three 400. And they were like, You need to go to the emergency department. And so we ended up going there. And then I was basically in DKA. And so they did all of this testing over Christmas Eve to Christmas. I vivid had this vivid memory of waking up at like, five whenever a doctor's round, you know, really early in the morning 5am On Christmas Day, and these doctors are like huddled in my hospital room. And that like the lights are off because I'm sleeping obviously. And it's so it's like dark and moody. And let's do one doctor like sees that I'm like kind of awake. And he's like, we think you have type one diabetes. He's like, you go back to sleep. We'll like talk about it later. I was like,

Scott Benner 16:28
why I don't think you understand how sleep works. But okay. So

Jenny 16:32
but then because of that, like, I don't even know how they came to it. They did all this other testing, but I don't have the antibody or type one. Okay. So they were very hesitant to label me. And they were just like, we don't know if this is just like your gestational diabetes going wacko or what, but like, we're gonna put you on more insulin. But like I said, we were in Ohio. And so it was like this moment where like, I don't want to be stuck in Ohio while this is getting sorted out. But they had brought my sugar down. But it wasn't stable at all. I didn't know that at the time. But it was basically I think they just like kind of gave me a bunch of insulin and they were like, we'll write you a prescription you should get home and like get this figured out with your primary care provider. And so,

Scott Benner 17:20
because we don't want to deal with you, right.

Jenny 17:22
And to be fair, I think we were a little persistent in wanting to leave too because it was like, Yeah, we weren't home. It was Christmas. My son was like, one, you know, he's like, unaware. So anyways, we leave my family in Ohio, jump in the car, we're trying to call these pharmacies to like, get my prescription filled, that's like on the route home. And so we're like in the boonies of Indiana. And I'm like picking up this insulin prescription I've never used before I pick up the insulin, and they didn't tell me that I would need to also get syringes. And so then we had by that time I had gotten on the road, I'm like looking in the bag. And I'm like, how do you put this file of stuff into your body. And so it was just like a really ridiculous situation. So then we had to stop again to get needles. And so then I'm like, This is so bizarre, I have a bag of needles, you know, as we're driving along. And so by this point, my sugar's are again, uncontrolled. The doctors are checking in, because obviously, I'm 30 weeks pregnant, they're concerned about the baby, they're concerned about me. And we get to Chicago, like the Chicago area, and I'm on the phone with our doctor in Madison, which is like an hour and a half away. And they're like, We don't feel comfortable telling you to come to us, you should go to emergency room in Chicago. And I'm like, they

Scott Benner 18:43
didn't want you to wait, that. I mean, it's only a couple hour ride. Right? Exactly. That's

Jenny 18:47
what we were thinking. But I was like, I have my son like, we're literally not gonna check into this hospital. It's an hour and a half away from our house. And you guys know what's going on. Like, it just didn't make sense. But I think they were just really trying to kind of cover themselves with like, your sugar's high, we want you to go. So we ended up with they literally made me say, I acknowledge that I'm going against medical advice. And we drive the hour and a half, like call my dad, and I'm like, can you come get my son and so they literally meet us in the hospital parking lot. I go in, I get admitted. I'm once again in DKA. And they basically just triage me there and try to bring my sugar down again. And I really this is sort of hazy for me because I don't I was very still unaware. I didn't know what type one was. There was no that the doctor in Ohio who was like we'll have a discussion later that discussion never happened. So it was just like, I had no clue what was going on. And they ended up coming to the same conclusion of like, even though you didn't test for antibodies, we think you have type one, but again, for some reason, and this is so bizarre to me is I was in the hospital for one day, and they sent me down to the diabetes clinic. Like to like get, you know, the schpeel. And I was so still so sick, like, I remember feeling so nauseous the whole time that the provider is speaking to me. And then they literally wheeled my wheelchair out and they're like, Okay, we're going to discharge you because you have all the things you need. And that literally, as my husband goes to the parking ramp to get the car, I started vomiting. And they, they said, Okay, you know, I think you're still getting things out of your system, they clean me up and sent me on my way, that

Scott Benner 20:29
the technical term for it, or, you know, the bad out, don't worry.

Jenny 20:36
But then of course, like, because I was so not sure that I wasn't, you know, taking in any information from the provider, I didn't have a clue what to do with my insulin or anything. My sugars once again, climate at home. So then I'm on the phone with the hospital, and they were like, You need to come back in. And so then finally, I think something clicked for all of us. And it was like, we can't just have like a overnight stay for you. So basically, I was admitted for the hospital, and then ended up being about a 10 day stay. Because I with the norovirus, and it was still kind of pandemic time, it weren't sure if it was like COVID, or like if there was, you know, crazy reactions or something. And I ended up having these really severe migraines, and I've never had a migraine in my life. And so that kind of sent them on this trajectory of like, Do you have a thought I had, like a spinal cord injury for some bizarre reason. Like,

Scott Benner 21:33
I'm not laughing. I listen, my mom died in Wisconsin in the hospital. And I'm just I'm just saying, it's not as surprising to me.

Jenny 21:42
Okay, so well, and I think I don't know if I wasn't communicating to them. Well, but so I ended up getting, I had an MRI, I had a chest X ray, a CT, and a spinal tap, altered, like literally, they're like, We rolled out absolutely everything that could be wrong with you. We just think you have diabetes. It was like you

Scott Benner 22:04
have really good insurance where they like, ooh, pay day.

Jenny 22:08
So I don't know. And I actually was chuckling because I was looking through my chart yesterday. And they also tested me for West Nile virus. Like

Scott Benner 22:16
they were like this suckers got good insurance, see if she's got West Nile virus. I mean, now that all the badness is out of her, she's still sick. It doesn't make sense. It could be Spinal Bifida.

Jenny 22:28
So yeah, and this whole time again, because it was pandemic time, I couldn't have any, like visitors for prolonged periods of time. And so was like this 10 day span where I didn't see my son, I'm super pregnant. I couldn't see my husband and like, he wasn't allowed in with any of the procedures for like, I got a spinal tap by myself. Like, I just remember, like sobbing throughout the whole procedure, because I was just so overwhelmed. So like, What the heck is going on? But yeah, so then

Scott Benner 22:58
they say, it

Jenny 22:59
was a pretty horrific experience,

Scott Benner 23:03
after these people by luck didn't kill you in that hospital. And let's just say, that's exactly what happened. You just luckily survived their care. After that happened. You got to learn about type one diabetes, and you're 30 weeks. I don't know how to do all the consensus, but four times nine to me seems like it might be. Let's see is that 36? So you were like about ready to make an M plus, you've already pushed out one kid. So this one's going to come out more timely. And right.

Jenny 23:35
Oh, right. So it was like an I also actually forgot to mention in the midst of this, like, I don't think it was the drive from Ohio to Wisconsin. But it was very shortly after I got checked in maybe the second or third trip to the hospital that I was told that my provider for my like, what do they call it? Oh, the gynecologist and the oncology, the people who are like, basically watching my baby. She sent me a message and the my chart thing and was like, we're dropping you as a client because you have type one. And so you need 30 specialists specialty care. Yes. And I remember being like, Is this a joke? And like, again, you know, waterworks, like, everything was just like falling apart, basically. And so and then, you know, it was just chaos. And so what ended up happening is I like was like bawling to the providers in the hospital. And they realize, like, there's just poor communication. It was like, they were trying to transfer my care to the specialty clinic, but it just, it came out super wrong. And

Scott Benner 24:40
so we're dropping you as the client is now it came out. Well,

Jenny 24:44
and yeah, at this point, I'm still working. And so I had told my employer that I was like, not able to come into work, but then they're like, Okay, when are you coming back? And I didn't know. But then I also started they are saying, well, now that you're high risk pregnancy, you're going to have to have two appointments a week. weak, and you know, so it was just like, they had no concept that this would just be like, life altering for me. And so I just felt like two and a half weeks of just complete, like, horrible, like overwhelming emotion

Scott Benner 25:14
overwhelming note, no idea what's happening, your health still isn't balanced well, but are they addressing your type one at that point like, are you on Basal insulin? Are you learning how to do those things is that even

Jenny 25:26
I have this memory of like this, it was like three different providers coming in and drawing this same chart on the whiteboard in my room of like, what Basal insulin does and what bolusing does, and it's like, just, you know, like, the Basal is kind of this flat line on the bottom. And then when you Bolus, it's like this wavy line. And that's really like, kind of my core memory from what I remember, fully. So I guess at this point, I had a I was very suspicious. Like, the doctors and just like the care, I just felt like it had been horrific up until this point, but then it was like a complete one ad and I started going to this. So my maternal fetal medicine doctor, who also they coordinate with a CD. And she was like, This is my full time job. I only see pregnant women, like, I'm gonna get you through this, right? And she was like, an angel. And I've actually been able to work with her. And then for my third pregnancy as well. And it just, it was like, night and day. She understood it. Like she understood how overwhelmed I was, she got me, like the correct doses. And really just honestly, by eyeballing she's like, Okay, this is like your height and weight. This is where you've been your sugars. Like, let's start here, and it was almost like perfect settings from the get go. For me.

Scott Benner 26:45
It's surprising what you can accomplish when you know what you're doing.

Jenny 26:49
So that was like, it was almost like, Are you real? Like, I just have had such a horrible experience with other things. That

Scott Benner 26:57
was just the kid came out. Okay, this didn't hurt the kid too bad. Yeah, so

Jenny 27:01
the only thing is, she was like, a little bit bigger than my first baby. And of course, they're like, well, like people diabetes have big babies. And that was like, I don't think that's always true. But so that was kind of what they checked. Yeah,

Scott Benner 27:14
I mean, yes. And at the same time, you didn't really like you were having impacts from diabetes throughout the pregnancy, you didn't really know it until they got to, you know, look at your A once he went and said it was like around six, and then all this, like, what's the cascading timeline from the first time that somebody says to you, you have, you know, gestational diabetes, until you realize you have type one, like, how much time goes in between there? So

Jenny 27:39
I think I was diagnosed with gestational diabetes of like, October of 21. And then Christmas Eve of 21. A couple more months. Yeah. But it was probably going on before that, too. Right. It was just I think, I don't think they test you for gestational until around them. But

Scott Benner 27:59
you think that norovirus pushed you over the edge, I got the whole thing running. That's

Jenny 28:02
what they they claim, I honestly have no idea. And at this point that like it literally was like they're like, you don't have the antibodies for type one. But like, we're just going to treat you as if you have type one and move on. Because this has just been horrible. So and my sweet husband, like cut filed multiple complaints with the hospital was just like this has been a horrific experience. And their response was, because you're not the patient, like we understand we hear your complaints, but we can't follow up because you're not the patient. Sorry,

Scott Benner 28:33
we can't talk to you. You're not the person we're trying to kill. Can you get them on the line? Well, no, she can't talk to you right now. Because you're in the middle of trying to kill her. And it's taken a lot out of her. Exactly.

Jenny 28:42
And to be fair, like I actually, I think our health system here is like, pretty great. It does. I think it actually recently listening to a lot of your whistleblower episodes on things. It's just like, you know, I think type one is just not on the forefront of a lot of providers minds. And so it's,

Scott Benner 29:00
I think I've come to believe that people are very good at the thing they're very good at. And then when you take them too far off of that, it turns into what you just described. Yeah. And then you had too many things going on. So, you know, I'm saying that, yeah, you had too many things going on to the confusion. Everybody gets pulled off their focus. nobody quite knows what they're talking about. They're all bumping into each other. You know, they're privately hoping one of the other doctors figures it out while it's happening. Yeah, they're like, maybe she'll get it. Laid back for a second. We'll tell them. Yeah, maybe you could figure it out with the internet and get back to us. Right, exactly. Okay, yeah, we're all in trouble. But that's that's not a discussion. You're enjoying the whistleblower episodes? Oh,

Jenny 29:42
yeah. I think. Yeah, it's especially interesting. So I also weirdly worked for the hospital system that I was receiving care from too. Okay, so as does my husband currently. So it's a very it funny dynamic, but we both are on the like, finance business side of things. We're not clinicians at all. Yeah. And so it's a very, it was a very interesting time for that. And like moving forward, I've actually shared some of the whistleblower episodes with my husband, and we kind of just like, chat about them, just because he actually works in the emergency department. But on the business side, so he has this interesting perspective of like, he knows a lot about the clinician, like, medical side, but his head is in the business world. So he sees both sides. So I

Scott Benner 30:31
don't want to say this publicly. But it sounds like your husband would be a good guest on those podcasts.

Jenny 30:39
Definite, oh, my gosh, it's gonna give him such a big head. No, I mean,

Scott Benner 30:42
if he knows the business side of the ER and wants to be anonymous,

Jenny 30:46
I'll run it by him. I mean, I do have to say he is he's a very good employee. I think that he, he's very fair. Like, I always look,

Scott Benner 30:58
I want to be clear, I'm not looking for people that don't each other. I just want to hear what's going on, you can all decide what to make of it on your own. It's not up to me. Yeah, yeah. And I also think that it shouldn't, I genuinely believe it shouldn't dissuade people from seeking out healthcare. Like, that's not my point, either. I just really am starting to think that you need to find the person who knows what they're doing. Like, if you go to the ER, you need to go to the ER with an ER thing. Like I banged my head on something, a car hit me, my leg snapped in half. These are er, things like they work great. Like I'm vomiting and I can't stop. And I don't know why they'll calm your stomach down and help you get through it. But if you want something after that from them, they don't have that. And nuance is lost on them sometimes as well. Oh,

Jenny 31:42
for sure. And I think what was at least interesting for myself, but also my husband was I think my diagnosis and just the struggle to like get clarity from what was going on, was very eye opening for both of us, because I think my husband had some health issues. But like, up until that point, I feel like I just went to the doctor, because that was like, oh, once a year, you're supposed to go to make sure you're not dying kind of thing. And like so. But this diagnosis, like totally just like tore that apart of just like, I think I had almost blindly trusted like, Oh, this is a doctor, they'll help me and like, while I still think that's true, I do think, you know, it's like I have like a diagnosis that is just not well understood by the, like, common doctor, I guess. And so I think that I had never experienced anything like that. And for I think for both of us, it was like, Whoa, like, you do have to be your own advocate. Because otherwise they'll just like you said, take you down this crazy winding path. And you're like, how did we get here?

Scott Benner 32:43
million percent 1,000,000%. Jenny, what I see happen. And I think it's pretty common, right is like urine. If you're lucky, and you get through your teens in your early 20s, you're not a sick person, then health is not a thing you think about right? Eat what you want, you're fine, nothing goes wrong, etc, you get into their 30s and something maybe sputters a little bit. And you do have that feeling like, well, I'll go to the magic person, the magic person will take care of me, right? Like, I'll go to the witch doctor, and she'll just sprinkle something over my head. And I'll feel better when it's over. And then when you start having things that are layered or difficult or chronic, and you realize that's not what this system is built for. Like I have to go find a specialist. But even often then a specialist is just a person who is working in a more focused system, but it's still a system. It's not a thinking person's game. Meaning how do I mean that they know the steps they're going to take? They know them before you get there. It's not unique to you. They don't listen to you in your store. You come in you go I have this happening. Oh, well, this is step one, when someone says that to me, right now. And that's it and you think they're, you think they're having some like, like deep personal connection with you. And you you come to realize later that 45 minutes after you leave, they don't remember you or the next time you come back. They do not recall having seen you before. You know, so that's the real world you're in then.

Jenny 34:07
Yeah. Yeah. Which is interesting that you mentioned that too, because for the brief period that I wasn't, I guess actually that's not true. I was gonna say I wasn't pregnant, but I was

Scott Benner 34:20
always pregnant.

Jenny 34:22
Yeah, just let that go. When I was diagnosed with type one, I had 10 weeks left in the pregnancy, I was just doing shock. And so then when I we found out we were pregnant with my third, I was like, I think I want to go on a pump. And I had just basically recently found out I was pregnant. I was like, okay, perfect time I'll just I want to do Omni pad. And so I reached out to my regular endo at the time, who I didn't have a great relationship with they were very they're very conservative. It's just the kind of like don't die management philosophy. I had gotten gotten that vibe from them. I reached out to get a pump. First of all, there was like no response like from their office, I had messaged them I had called. And they were just like, yeah, we're working through the orders. And I had to follow up multiple times. And finally, it came to this point where I got this provider on the phone. And they were like, We don't want to give you a pump, because it looks like from your data that you're having a lot of lows. And I was like, but what did you read, the reason why I wanted a pump was to, like eliminate these lows and to like, have more control. And they were like, well, we don't feel comfortable until you can show us that your management is like, good to get on that pump. And so they basically put up a roadblock where I was approved through insurance, and everything was a go, and they were like, we just need your doctor's basically the prescription. And then I believe everything Oh,

Scott Benner 35:43
thank you, right needs to understand what she's doing before we help her to understand what he's doing. Okay, so

Jenny 35:49
yeah, well, and have gone through all of my hospital ordeal and everything. I was like, at this point, I completely understood I needed to be my own advocate. So I ended up filing a complaint against my endo office. And that like was hilarious. It, like went up the totem pole immediately. And the next day, I got three calls from the endo office, and they were basically like, what can we do to help you along in this process, like, and it was just total, you

Scott Benner 36:19
know, we just got in trouble. So we're very willing to do our jobs. And

Jenny 36:23
so it was literally like I had worked like almost a month to get any response from that, like, figure out why they were sapping my pump orders to them. Within two days. I had the order at the pharmacy, and we were on our way. So,

Scott Benner 36:37
man, it doesn't, yeah, let me ask you a question. Because your younger person, right? Does that also prize you? Like, did you find that all shocking that that's how it works? Or how it worked for you? I mean, it doesn't work like that everywhere. It's some people are very good at their job. I'm not saying otherwise. Sure. But there's that level of apathy and incompetence. At a medical situation. Like, were you stunned by that?

Jenny 37:01
It was very discouraging, for sure. Because, again, I think it really burst my bubble of like, these doctors are like, I don't know, it was almost like, are you even on my side here, like, it felt like I was fighting them rather than like, fighting with them. Yeah. And that was an uncomfy. Feeling. Like I just Yeah, someone

Scott Benner 37:23
in my family is going through something very similar. Right now it's more insurance related, but at the same time, to see the apathy from the doctor is also very interesting. So this person, I'm not going to identify them. So it doesn't matter. But this person is been told they're pre diabetic for a year and a half now. And their agencies creeping up. So about a year ago, now, they gave her a GLP medication, and it starts helping, right, losing weight agencies coming down, everything's great. Well, then the insurance industry realizes that everybody wants a GLP medication. And they stop it. They're like, No, no, you can't write it off label. It's for type twos only. So you know, type twos, if you want ozempic, or Manjaro, you have to have type two, if you want, we go V or is that bound, you have to have a weight issue, right? This is how it has to be. They take it from her, it completely goes backwards, right? Once he starts going up again, she's working out like crazy EatingWell doing all these things like barely, like making a dent in anything, right? Like a one see, I think move down like point two from like, working out like a fiend. And just goes back to the doctrine says, Look, you know, I got, I got small children. I'm trying as hard as I can. I think you can see that I am. It's not working. I need this GLP I don't want to die. Like you know, like, start giving her the whole like, you know, story. And the doctor goes, Yeah, well, I wish I could, but your insurance won't cover it. Because you don't have type two diabetes. If we can get your agency up a little bit and get you some type two diabetes, then we'll get you the GLP and you'll be fine. And I know that's an insurance thing. It the problems and insurance thing. But the way the doctor talked to her about it, I was insulted by it. Like, you know what I mean? Like, oh, nothing I can do. I mean, just continue to get sicker. And then we'll work it out later. Right? And I'm like, oh my god, like so. The problem is this person's insurance won't cover we go virasat bound for weight loss because they would qualify for that. Yeah. But their insurance won't pay for it. And then the doctor says this absolutely floored me. Here's a brochure for a comprehensive weight loss program run by you'll never guess who bariatric surgeons. So you get to go to them. Give them all your money that you would have been happy to pay your copay on for we go over here is that bound or something that would have liked setup should have been 50 pounds lighter in six months. If they want to give her the shrug right? Instead we'll go to them. I'll work out hard not lose a bunch of weight and then they're going to suggest to me II that I have, you know, gastric bypass surgery, which my insurance will pay for? Yeah. So she goes like, well, what if I just like I don't want something that invasive, I just want to try to shoot the juice and see what happens. You know what I mean? Sorry, now, we'll put all that money somewhere else, but we won't put it where it will help you immediately. Right? So they're gonna torture her for a year, then tell her Oh, it didn't work what you did, let's cut you open now make your stomach the size of a thimble. So you can drink four ounces of juice a day. Right? And we'd be happy to pay for that.

Jenny 40:32
Yeah, I mean, well, and even it's wild to me, like the procedures, not only that, but insurance and every other hoops, you have to jump through there. But even like, I've been in the hospital quite frequently with having babies or DK or whatever, but the like protocols that they feel like that are mandated, you know, to the nurses, like I had a low at the hospital when I was just had my son a couple weeks ago. And the nurse looks at me and she says, okay, protocol demands that you drink to juice boxes. And I was like to like, you know, I said, I, you know, I had my Dexcom on I have been treating, and I had like gummy worms or something like by the bedside, and I've been eating it. Like, I like to just see kind of where we level out here. Right? She's like, Okay, I'll give you a couple minutes, but I'm gonna come back. And if it's not what I think it was, like they wanted it to be up at 8590, then we're gonna have to do the to do just boxes. And it was like this moment where I was like, You're acting like these two juice boxes are like, okay, for every situation ever, a law of the universe. And it was just it's so interesting. Like, it just is weird. No,

Scott Benner 41:43
it's the same thing though. Jenny, you're saying the same thing that I just said. She is saying to you. I don't care what would actually help you. This is what we do in this situation. Right? No one can think. And maybe that's smart. Maybe Maybe taking the ability to think away from people is valuable. Because maybe when they think they get it wrong, like I don't know. But like, you're not letting people think I go to a, you know, my kids go to an endocrinologist that is like a cash pay endocrinologist. I talked about this all the time, right. Our insurance covers that later. But we pay up front and our insurance coverage afterwards, you get an hour long. When you go into ser you sit for an hour and you have a conversation and she talks to you about everything in your life, and she listens to you. And then she tries to figure out how to help you. She doesn't say oh, that thing you just mentioned, that makes me go to step one here on this flowchart. You drink two juice boxes now. And you go I don't think I need to juice boxes. And she goes that matter? Right? The flowchart says to juice box, and then your blood sugar gets real high. And then she would have come back in and been like, well, we'll wait three hours and see if that comes down.

Jenny 42:47
Well, right, or they're surprised that they have people living with type one in the world who don't know what they're doing. Because they're, you know, it's like they get told these protocols that should work. And it's like, but it was it was an interesting dynamic to that. I just, I feel like I sound like I'm crazy. I'm pregnant all the time. But from my second pregnancy to my third pregnancy, how differently I went about the process granted, my second pregnancy, I was 10 weeks at a diagnosis. So I didn't really know what was going on. So I pretty much trusted their guidance. Yeah. And I, I think I had a low when I had my second praise and my daughter right after diagnosis. And their response was oh, okay, like, we obviously need to treat this low because I woke up sweating. I knew I was low. And they said, we'll get you a peanut butter sandwich. And I was like, okay, and you know, then it dragged out for like, 40 minutes because this peanut butter sandwich is like doing nothing. But then it was so it was just so I had that experience in my head. So then when I got pregnant, my third, it was like from the get go, I was like, I need certain things written in by chart. They were like, Oh, we'll get to that. You know, later on in the pregnancy. I was like, no, please do it

Scott Benner 44:03
now. So I don't end up waiting an hour and a half for a peanut butter sandwich to bring up a 60 butcher. Exactly.

Jenny 44:08
So I think I kind of developed this reputation. Like, it was funny, you know, the first time I would meet a doctor I was very adamant about like, I didn't want a diet restriction that I had that is in the hospital. And I wanted to control my own pump and Dexcom and so they like the first time it was very short. You could tell the doctor was very affronted. But then every subsequent appointment I had afterwards she's like, Okay, we have the notes just so you know, it was like you could just tell she didn't want to upset me but I was like, if this is what it takes that I have this like reputation in this, you know, baby area, like being a witch, like Sorry, but like it was.

Scott Benner 44:51
Is that how you felt that they looked at you like that? Like I felt like

Jenny 44:53
they thought I had very strong opinions to the point borderline like she's a little you know, all heard about it and it was like well asked me why I'm touchy. Like, I've had these horrible experiences. And, but and then it was interesting, even now, a couple weeks ago being in the hospital having I had a C section. So then I was in the hospital for a couple days afterwards, the shift change and nurses like some of the nurses were very willing to hop on board. And they're like, seems like you have things under control. I'm here for your support.

Scott Benner 45:24
Jenny, can I ask a question real quick, you had to have a C section with the third one didn't pop out like, like he was sliding into second. Like what happened? Well, I

Jenny 45:32
had a C section with my second because she was projected to be like over 10 pounds. She ended up not being but and so then they kind of just said like, it's your call, but we kind of recommend a repeat C section and my recovery with the C section with my second was so amazing. So I was like, Yes, I am. I

Scott Benner 45:51
gotcha. I gotcha. That makes more sense. I figured those kids were just coming out like paratroopers in World War Two at this point. But I got Yeah,

Jenny 45:57
no, not at all. So and actually, I went to the date of my C section with both of my C section kiddos. So yeah. Do

Scott Benner 46:06
you think right now that people are picturing a world war two movie where just troopers are just jumping out of this big airplane and opening up there? Because that was my intention when I said it. Right. I hope that's where you're all at right now in your mind, just these hundreds of parachutes coming out of this big hole. That's what I'm Yeah, that's what I want you to think about. Meanwhile, isn't that lovely and amazing, right. So I'd like to if I could with the time we have left, I want to go through your your third pregnancy. Yeah. So we see here how you set it up? You know, you got your notes ahead of time you made sure everybody knew your expectations. But then how did it actually go? I know you've got now you've got a second go round with this. The high risk pregnancy people, which you said you had a good experience with them, too. But I just want to know, like, I guess I'd like to know, like visit the visit month to month. What was your actual like real life lived experience? Yeah, it makes sense. Yeah. Okay.

Jenny 46:59
It was interesting, I think, Well, I think there was a lot of factors like, so I got on the pump, I think when I was like, maybe 10, between 10 and 15 weeks pregnant. So for the majority of my pregnancy, I was on Omnipod. And again, with my provider, the Maternal Fetal Medicine CD, she was like, a godsend for settings. She was just like, let's try here, and I'll look at it in two days. And if it's, you know, going wonky, we'll fix it right away. And so I just, I really relied on her to, like, help kind of navigate that. And so I feel like from appointment to appointment, it was how they do it is I would meet with a CD, and then I would have like a doctor visit afterwards to check out baby and everything. And like, the CD appointment, it was amazing. I loved her. And then the doctor, they would like kind of try to go into talking about my sugars. And I was like, nope, like, if I have a problem, I'll go talk to the CD. And I'm like, Oh, okay. But so I think I just I had such confidence in my support that I just was able to kind of move through. When I found out I was pregnant. My ANC was like a 6.2. And with the help of the CDE I was like 5.4 to 5.6 my entire pregnancy. Wow. Like it got better. I think she's better a diabetes.

Scott Benner 48:23
Well, you hadn't had that long, right? Yeah,

Jenny 48:26
I mean, it was like a little over a year. Okay, so So let's

Scott Benner 48:30
pause for a second for the first year that you were managing on your own. You had like a six what it wants to, like a six.

Jenny 48:36
I think I was 6.2. That's very good.

Scott Benner 48:38
Now, do you think there was a honeymoon in there? Or was this just you with managing? Well, I

Jenny 48:42
would say it's, I don't I don't know what you call it. It's, I'm not one of those people that like has like 400 to 60 or whatever, but I would definitely say I think my onesie is probably skewed a little bit because I think I fluctuate probably a little too much. Okay, so I think my management was okay, but I think it was probably my agency look maybe a little bit better than then it

Scott Benner 49:02
really was. Should have been going away with something here. Okay, so your first year, but do you think you were honeymooning or no.

Jenny 49:09
They never said that. I

Scott Benner 49:10
was Did you ever had that feeling? Like I can't believe how little insulin I'm using or I didn't need help with insulin today like I did yesterday?

Jenny 49:17
No, I haven't. And I've been super sensitive to insulin since diagnosis. So I've always had very little so even during pregnancy I feel like my amounts that she was like this is nothing are most pregnant lady. So

Scott Benner 49:32
in that first year, when you're when your blood sugar is too fast laid up in town, what was the like? Did you know why it was happening? You just couldn't like bring yourself to change it or did you not know? Yes,

Jenny 49:43
I knew it was me. I'm lazy. It was like I like I I still to this day, probably I'm not a great car counter. So it was like I would look at a plate of food and be like, eight units, and then it would be wrong. It was Like last correction, I would just, you know, and even when I was with this maternal fetal medicine CD II, she was like, you're making this way harder on yourself. I see you correcting all the time. And I was like, Yeah, I just she's like, just input your carbs. And I was like, but I just haven't never counted. So it's me. It's it's me. Is

Scott Benner 50:22
that a is that a Taylor Swift song? It's the problem. That's me, right? Yeah, yeah. Oh, maybe that could be you know, I'm really going to call this one fertile Myrtle. So I am sorry.

Jenny 50:33
Don't you already have an episode titled that?

Scott Benner 50:35
I have an episode called fertile Myrtle and I'm not aware of it.

Jenny 50:39
Is that possible? That's not true. Maybe I was. Let's look

Scott Benner 50:43
because I think I need I need to help if that's the case. Let me go to the place where I maybe

Jenny 50:49
I just alternate my podcast.

Scott Benner 50:52
By the way, the podcasts so close to 16 million downloads right now. Very exciting. Oh, my goodness. Okay, hold on. You're saying that the word fertile?

Unknown Speaker 51:01
No, yeah. Not

Scott Benner 51:03
even fertile.

Jenny 51:04
Alright, hold on. Well, yeah, manifesting it that this will be an episode.

Scott Benner 51:08
I mean, am I spelling fertile? Wrong? I can't be. Maybe like, I'd have to be an idiot if I couldn't do that. So. And Myrtle? No, I'm sorry. We do not have one. We will. Oh, don't you worry. Okay, well, so on the problem. It's me is everybody. I mean, for everything you don't mean? Like, it's, I hear what you're saying. So what you're not, you're not counting your carbs was most of your problem?

Jenny 51:33
Yeah, well, because then I would just be guessing. And so it was like, even like, they just didn't have any good data. Because they were like, Why did you do eight units here. And I was like, I don't know. Like, it was Tuesday. I also begged, like, being a stay at home parents, I think is a little bit different lifestyle because I I am able to have my phone around me and I can like take a peek at my blood sugar's like, pretty much whenever I want to. So I'm able to do micro corrections fairly easy. Whereas if I think if I was distracted, or at high pace, you know, different environment, I might not be able to do that. And it would maybe forced me to be a little more accurate.

Scott Benner 52:14
Jenny, can I can I pretend to be a therapist for a second and ask a couple of questions. Is it possible you are maybe not just trying to like not throw yourself headlong into this thing? Like, were you trying not to have diabetes? The best you could? That makes sense? Probably

Jenny 52:28
Well, I also probably think it's like, having two little ones running around. Like I think prioritizing myself was probably a big issue. Like, you know, just setting aside time, whether it is ahead of time just to learn the stuff or even just during the day, like it was just

Scott Benner 52:45
putting everything before yourself.

Jenny 52:48
Probably and that not really in a murder. So it's more of just like, Yeah, I would say it's more lazy than these, like,

Scott Benner 52:55
you don't want to be given me too much credit here for caring about it. It's got a lot more to do with a puzzle game I have on my phone and how much I love it.

Jenny 53:05
Right? Yeah, it's just like, I'm like, kind of obsessed with food. So it's like, I would just want to eat at that. Pre-Bolus And so it's just has that

Scott Benner 53:12
been your whole life? Your the way you feel about it the way the way you feel about food? Yeah,

Jenny 53:19
I think it's a kind of a running joke in my family. Like, I don't know, there's like, the the stupid one Halloween there. My mom always put out this glass jar of like candy pumpkins. Like I'm carefully over sharing this but and she like I opened the jar to take one and she was like, only one Jenny and I like it shove like five in my mouth. And I was like, Oh, I didn't hear you. And like my brother to this day will like, tell me that story. And he's like, that's just like, in my mind forever is like you. He's like, I don't know why. It's just I don't know, food is just big for me.

Scott Benner 53:59
Can I ask a question that's in delicate?

Jenny 54:02
Sure. I think I know what your what do

Scott Benner 54:04
you think my question is gonna be that way it gets me out of saying good.

Jenny 54:07
That's wait been an issue for you throughout your life? Yeah, I was gonna say something like that. No. I've never been like stick them in. But no, I'm like a nice Wisconsin girl. I

Scott Benner 54:18
was gonna say because Wisconsin thin is a different thing than regular thin. So

Jenny 54:22
yeah, but no, I've definitely I've never, I don't think I've always been like probably a little chubby. But to say that, but nothing like,

Scott Benner 54:30
I'll probably get a little chubby.

Unknown Speaker 54:32
Is that a thing?

Scott Benner 54:33
I mean, I don't know. Like, I'm just trying to gather facts. I though the only time I've ever been to Wisconsin I was and I'm being serious. I was not I'm not joking. I was gobsmacked by how terrible the food was. Like, and I mean, like nutritionally. Oh, yeah. Like I'm sure it tasted good. But I'm talking about like, I was at a restaurant once and I looked at the menu and I actually thought to myself, There's nothing here I would eat I was being serious like I can I have a salad please. And I did not want a salad and I am not a salad person. I could not see one thing on that menu that I thought wouldn't be an affront to my body.

Jenny 55:14
Were you in a city or were you in as in like Oshkosh? Okay, whatever I don't ice like I do think it is different like Madison being a colleague of a major university college town. I do think the food scene is a little bit different. But like, we're the we're the birthplace of Culvers like butter burger like,

Scott Benner 55:32
Are you like fried? Like reseal? Yes. Yeah. Like, like fried and greasy. And, like all that fat and everything like and I was like, God, God, like, I don't think anybody's got I actually ended up my brother's got type two diabetes. And I was like, Dude, you're doing great. I said live in here. If you're managing the way you are, and like you're doing fantastic, because this is hard to navigate. You

Jenny 55:55
don't need me. Yeah, I'm not gonna paint it. Like we're out here like living this healthy lifestyle. But I think it's there if you want it to be there. Yeah, no.

Scott Benner 56:06
I'm actually going to do the next thing on my to do list with. I don't know how I'm gonna do it with yet. But I think I want to do a series and tackle hunger. And like, really, really try to understand hunger and like satiation, that kind of stuff, especially in how it applies to people with type one. Because, you know, Amylin can be an issue. And people with type one can be hungry all the time. And just think that that's normal. And it's actually kind of not GLP, is you're kind of proving that now that helping a lot of people with type one diabetes as well. I really want to dig down into it. That said, I wonder if, like, is it about like, because you went right to the idea of like a holiday? Is it like this food just seemed like happy? Like, do you have like an association between food and good times? Or like anything like that?

Jenny 56:53
I don't know. I? Yeah, I mean, nothing like sticks out like, Yes, I feel like during the holidays, food is like, an aspect of it. But I feel like for me, yeah, like I would just food has always just been very enticing to me. Like, my husband is like, oh, yeah, I forgot to eat lunch today. And I'm just like, what, you know, and it's just, it's wild. But it is, it's been interesting to navigate as a type one, because I think it's helped me like understand food in a different way. But at the same time, I have been very adamant about like, I don't want to limit myself, like, it's like, I still want to enjoy food the way I was. So

Scott Benner 57:36
I have a different perspective. Now I'm just about a full year on a GLP medication. I don't give a crap about food. I wasn't a big food person before. But now I literally look at it like fuel. And I just look at, like, I don't know my happiness, or like my fulfillment or something like that out of something else. Because, you know, and don't get me wrong. Like, who doesn't love going to a restaurant hanging out with a bunch of people and bowls and stuff like that? Like it's all great. You know what I mean? Like, I love cooking food. I love making things for people. I rushed around to make my son breakfast this morning. And I liked it. Don't tell him that. You don't I mean, I was like, Oh, I'll scramble a couple eggs come up with this with it. Like, you know, like that kind of thing. But it's eerie how quickly my brain doesn't talk to me like that anymore. Like do you have the food voice? Do you know what that? That idea is? Like, do you wake up in the morning thinking like what am I going to have for breakfast? Not

Jenny 58:28
particularly so I don't actually really care about breakfast like I pretty much just eat the same thing every day. Okay, I think I'm more of like a savory enjoyer of food like I'm like if I never had a Sweden the rest of my life I would be fine. wouldn't bother. But I think it's just like I have always just enjoyed. I don't know food and that's very rarely but it is interesting cultural

Scott Benner 58:51
to you or is it like guttural like do you feel drawn to it like on a primordial level? Or do you just like being a good human? Are you like, I have to eat this? You know, I'm saying?

Jenny 59:01
I don't know. I don't know the impression that I'm like that girl from Willy Wonka that like gets blown up because she you or is it the boy?

Scott Benner 59:10
It's got this fluke, right? Yeah.

Jenny 59:13
I mean, I don't think it's that level. It's just it's always been intriguing for me. Whereas like other people, like, like my husband, he'll just eat the same thing for lunch every day. It'll take it to work for a month. And then finally I'll be like, Oh, maybe I want a different dressing

Scott Benner 59:29
pickle with it today. Maybe

Jenny 59:32
that is just so crazy to me. Because it's just it's not how my brain operates. Maybe you guys are on a more advanced level and I'll get there one.

Scott Benner 59:42
Now, I mean, I don't know about that. But I will eat the same thing over and over again. I don't care.

Jenny 59:46
Oh my God, even leftovers. I have to like force myself to like,

Scott Benner 59:50
interesting. No, I'm gonna I want to have all kinds of conversations about this. Like I really want to pick through how people think about it. Because I think there's a portion of it for some people. It's Type one like that, like a an unending hunger can really be because of your pancreas doesn't just make insulin it does other stuff too. And so some people with type one experience like a never ending hunger.

Jenny 1:00:14
Yeah, that's definitely not not for you. No,

Scott Benner 1:00:19
I just Yeah, I like you have like a pretty hippie vibe. You know that about yourself like you're just sort of like, you know, I love the kids but not enough to pay too much attention to them. And they're like, I'm gonna make a bunch of babies. I think three is enough. But the guy seems to one five, so whatever. Would you say? It's

Jenny 1:00:33
like a laid back?

Scott Benner 1:00:34
You're a little hippie ish. Like, you have a little laid back vibe. You Oh

Jenny 1:00:37
my gosh, you just made my day. I have never you think you're laid back? No, I think I'm very laid back for the people I'm surrounded with in my life. I'm not

Scott Benner 1:00:48
fair to the other lunatics, you know. So what you're saying?

Jenny 1:00:51
Exactly, yeah. So I'm just gonna like write it down in my diary today. Like I got, I was called laid back. And it was like You seemed

Scott Benner 1:01:00
amenable? Does that make sense?

Jenny 1:01:01
i Well, let's take it this way, though. I think I'm amenable probably because we're maybe more on the same page on things like if I encounter something Well, listen,

Scott Benner 1:01:11
if babies came out of a hole in me and I made three of them, and I didn't want any more and somebody said I might want four or five I'd look at him and go you're thinking about the wrong girl? Because I'm not doing like, but you were just like, I'm good with three but he wants four or five and you were like right on well,

Jenny 1:01:29
you shed baby color that conversation of like, it is a very much like 5050 decision like I think yeah, it's not like oh, whatever he says goes kind of thing.

Scott Benner 1:01:43
I had the vagina it would be 98 to be like, if you're willing to pay for it, I'll consider it like okay,

Jenny 1:01:50
but to be fair, it also could be a situation of like, I personally believe time will be on my side here of like, as we progress with three kids like it'll be like oh, this is a lot like and I think we'll probably be on the same page in the end. Anyway, so why you know have the bang out fights now was their opponent. I have a really bad also habit of like saying really wrong and things like It's like close to a phrase but not the actual phrase and it just comes out super

Scott Benner 1:02:21
sexual already with so pretty Wisconsin anything by the way. Here my my sis, sometimes my sister in law says stuff and I'm like, she's so close to that thing. She almost got it right. Have

Jenny 1:02:31
you heard this in our own little bubble here? And we're just like,

Scott Benner 1:02:33
possible you have your own sayings? That's fine, right? I hear that. So okay, so I'm sorry. So we're making the baby. It's going along, this doctor gets you into the fives. No problem. It stays like that through the whole pregnancy.

Jenny 1:02:46
Yeah, when it's phenomenal. And I think what was interesting to me, I guess is like, not that pregnancy, by any means is easy with diabetes, but I think there's like a natural, like, understanding that, like, my insulin needs will most likely just be increasing. And so I think I had that like understanding. So when I felt like my numbers were a little bit higher, I like was like, okay, like, things are happening, like, hormones are crazy, whatever, it's, I would just check in and be like, Okay, let's try this. And then I would if I dip super low be like, well, that's bad. But I think for me, it was a pregnancy. And with babies, like even like the period that I'm in now of like, breastfeeding, and like, dropping off from all these pregnancy hormones has been way harder to navigate for me. Because it's so there's much less like trajectory. I feel like one day it can be super high and crazy. And if the baby you know, they're eating way less than it just tanks, like it just, I think, for me, there's just there's been so much more difficulty in maintaining good numbers in the past few weeks, then the whole last nine months. Because it was just like, typically, it was I was always just gonna need more insulin. Yeah.

Scott Benner 1:03:57
Okay. Interesting. So, you pivoted quickly during the pregnancy, the doctor was there to support it, but you felt good about doing it, and you counted your carbs? Is that about it?

Jenny 1:04:10
I would say I counted carbs for breakfast, because I was like, in my head of like, okay, she asked me to do this. And then, like, throughout the day, I would be lucky if I probably got another meal in there where I was counting carbs. But for the most part, I think, yeah, I don't know. I've, I've just, I don't know if I got lucky here. But it was just more and with the Omni pad actually interesting. About after 20 weeks. She took me off auto mode, and we went into manual mode. So it was basically 100% on setting. Yeah. And that was like, I felt it was like shocked when she told me she's like, Let's go off auto mode. And I was like, no, like, why would we ever do that? And then it was like, even better in manual. Okay, so And again,

Scott Benner 1:05:00
did you go back to auto after the pregnancy ended? And are you still manual?

Jenny 1:05:05
I mistakenly was on manual and actually my, before I had the baby, we hit programmed like a post baby setting. So I knew right away like once I went back on my pump after a cup, I think I had a pretty rough like transition from the C section. I was like really nauseous and like sick. And so they were still doing my sugars because I was basically like fasting. So it was easy for them to keep it steady. And so then once I got back on my pump, I was in manual mode for like three or four days. And then when I had my follow up, that was like, let's go back at Otto and have been out there ever since

Scott Benner 1:05:40
in my confusing, laid back with laissez faire, maybe you're a little you're a little like, hey, whatever comes comes. You need to describe yourself to me like what is it? I'm missing about you? Like there's no cuz you keep calling it lazy. And I don't think you're lazy. I mean, you have three kids, you can't be lazy unless they're chained to something and you're like, you know, off in the other room.

Jenny 1:06:03
Yeah, I lost a fair maybe is a fair word, I think. Yeah. Because maybe I've had like some whether it's like the type one diagnosis midlife like, I just feel like there's so much that's out of your control. Anyways, that I've just kind of resigned to like, not like, Oh, what is what is but it's kind of like you have to learn to roll with life. So I think that's maybe wear, like worry about don't sweat the small stuff. Maybe it's a stupid cliche.

Scott Benner 1:06:36
Have you ever heard me say like, I reorder my to do list all the time, like buy whatever is most necessary? Like what my wife will make a to do list and have to do it in order. Right. But you would reorder your list if something became more important. You would knock number one down to number three and just put the new number one up there. Sure, yeah. Yeah, but you're not so you're not uptight like that?

Jenny 1:07:00
No, definitely mad. But I would say yeah, I think I'm a very I'm a big planner. But with a grain of salt of like this. If everything works out, this is gonna be the plan. But I know it's not all gonna work out.

Scott Benner 1:07:13
You're weird mix. It's interesting. I like that. By the way, some people right now we're going to do just call his wife uptight. Sure, whatever. But But yeah, but like, that's interesting, because you're a very weird mix of like, rigid, but then not.

Jenny 1:07:30
I have to say that's probably a very accurate. No,

Scott Benner 1:07:33
yeah, I've been really like for the last hour. I've been trying to figure out who you are in that regard. And Alright, I think I'm willing to stay with that. Like a smoke and mirrors things. I don't know. I just don't like you calling yourself lazy.

Jenny 1:07:47
Oh, I shouldn't say I don't feel like I'm a lazy person. I think sometimes my approach can border on lazy behavior.

Scott Benner 1:07:55
But you don't know how to explain that to me, though. Right? Like, what does that? Yeah.

Jenny 1:08:00
Well, it's like, if I just took the time to learn something, or like, you know, like, if I set aside a couple of days to really, like, hammer out the details or figure it's like, typically, I'd be eating the same meals throughout the course of a couple of weeks. And if I just actually nailed those down, I probably would have a much smoother thing, but I've never done

Scott Benner 1:08:20
so you're not a work smarter, not harder person. Probably true. Yes. Well, that really, you should do that. I mean, because if you've got three kids, at some point, you're gonna run out of time. Exactly. And it's like, I know this. It seems like a joke now. But wait till I mean, they're close in age, we all three of them are playing a sport.

Jenny 1:08:39
Right? Or well, and that falls into like prioritizing myself of like, I probably should just like, figure that out.

Scott Benner 1:08:46
Yeah. To make it to make it a smaller part of your, your needed brain power today.

Jenny 1:08:51
Yeah. All right.

Scott Benner 1:08:52
Can you do that? Oh,

Jenny 1:08:54
100%? Well, yeah. I'll get back to you.

Scott Benner 1:09:01
I got a feeling I'm gonna be busy having sex in six months. So like,

Jenny 1:09:06
I should like little things here and there, I think and honestly, it's like, I feel like every guest has it. But it's like your podcast is super helpful. Because I do think it brings things to the front of my mind that probably should be there more often that I just kind of push to the back. Yeah. So I think it's

Scott Benner 1:09:23
it's interesting. You said that because I was thinking earlier, you're that person who uses the podcast as a reminder, just like keeps keeps it something front of mind. Instead, yeah, it helps with that. I find that valuable to I don't think everyone uses it that way. But I find it valuable for myself to use it that way sometimes. You know, Oh, yeah. The conversation myself

Jenny 1:09:44
like I should just go through the pro tips again. Because it's like that, I think would help be so mean. Yeah, you're so anywhere. I can have bigger gaps in my management.

Scott Benner 1:09:55
I gotcha. All right. Well, Jenny, is there anything else because I feel good about This conversation. I feel like it's come to a natural conclusion. No, I

Jenny 1:10:03
don't think so. You're good? Yeah, sure.

Scott Benner 1:10:07
All right. If your husband really wants to come on and be anonymous tell me before I put this out, because I'll take that part out of here so people don't know about it.

Jenny 1:10:16
Okay, I'll ask him. I'm curious. I don't know. It's it's a 5050 It's

Scott Benner 1:10:21
okay. There's no pressure. Yeah, buddy Can you can come fill me up with knowledge? I'm not gonna say alright. Nevermind, let's hold on.

Jenny 1:10:34
Okay.

Scott Benner 1:10:43
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