#1128 Out to Sea

February 9, 2024Scott Benner

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Scott Benner 0:00
Welcome aboard friends, this is episode 1128 of the Juicebox Podcast.

Today I'll be speaking with Gregory he is the father of a child with type one diabetes. His son Xander was just about nine years old when this was recorded. Speaking of when this was recorded, Gregory is an engineer on a commercial class fishing vessel. So when we recorded this, he was about 100 miles off the coast of Alaska, which I thought was pretty cool. Found the podcast through his mother, and says it changed his life. While you're listening. Please remember that nothing you hear on the Juicebox Podcast should be considered advice, medical or otherwise, always consult a physician before making any changes to your health care plan for becoming bold with insulin. If you're looking for management help, check out the diabetes Pro Tip series in Episode 1000. It runs from Episode 1000 to 1025. And if you're newly diagnosed, perhaps the bowl beginning series would be a way for you to start looking the feature tab of the private Facebook group for a list or at the top of juicebox podcast.com. Or you can just search your audio app for Juicebox Podcast bold beginnings.

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Gregory 1:46
Podcast My name is Gregory and I'm the father for type one.

Scott Benner 1:49
Gregory, we're gonna jump right in and find out you're doing this from work. Is that right? Yeah, yeah. From work. Yeah. Where do you work?

Gregory 2:00
Well, I have a merchant mariner, which means that I say a lot on ships, you know, not military ships, just regular old industrial commercial Class ships. But the one that I'm on right now is a commercial fishing vessel. We're currently about 100 miles off the coast of Alaska. And we're fishing.

Scott Benner 2:21
Is it? Do you fish with nets or cages? Or how does that work? Oh,

Gregory 2:25
no, we just have a bunch of dudes on the back deck with fishing poles and and we do the best we can. Because

Scott Benner 2:31
that can't be right. So every time I eat a shrimp, one guy bought it on a hook. He's telling me

Gregory 2:42
oh, yeah, very tiny hooks, you know, we put a whole bunch of them on a line. And you know, I'm not sure what would you use for bait for shrimp? Because usually shrimp is made in it. So when

Scott Benner 2:51
what do you do on the? What do you do on the ship? Well,

Gregory 2:55
I'm an engineer. So I don't do the fishing. And it is with nets, by the way, just joking around. So we have this this enormous net and it's kind of shaped like a funnel. And we just come along and we scoop up entire schools a ship of fish at a time. Wow. But I'm an engineer. So I just fixed the stuff. We actually have a motto in the interim here. In Latin, I don't remember the whole thing, but we keep them fishing in spite of them. Because they dislike to break stuff all the time. So it keeps me busy.

Scott Benner 3:27
Now, are you turning the wrench? are you pointing to the thing that needs to be turned?

Gregory 3:32
A little bit of both. I've been a wrench Turner for quite a number of years. But I got to the point now where I don't have to turn the wrench quite as often as I used to. I still want to It feels weird. But now, you know, training the next big mansion. I just get to stand there and look proud.

Scott Benner 3:55
Alright, so you you were gone for a second there. But we're gonna obviously we're gonna have to expect that since your Did you say? 100 miles off shore?

Gregory 4:06
Yeah, 100 miles off the coast of Alaska right now.

Scott Benner 4:10
Your internet is still amazing. So anybody else who's you can thank

Gregory 4:17
Elon Musk for that one. Oh, is

Scott Benner 4:18
this Starlink you're using? Yeah. Wow, that sounds to me, it really does sound good. It's it's incredible. I mean, considering you know, you row a boat, eight, I don't know, eight times, and leave the shore and your cell phone won't work anymore. So it's pretty crazy. Other questions about your job? So do you work just for the ship you're on right now? Or do you kind of freelance or are you with a company and you move around?

Gregory 4:44
I work just for the ship that I'm on right now. There are other aspects of the industry where you could do those are the things I've done that a bit in the past, but I prefer to just stick to one vessel. It's easier to schedule that way, you know, you can kind of count on when you're coming and going and getting familiar with one particular vessel. It's a lot easier, you know, because you don't have to start over all the time. Sure.

Scott Benner 5:09
How long are you going for when you leave?

Gregory 5:14
It fluctuates with this company. It's between two and two and a half months at a time. The company I was with prior to this, it was 35 days at a time. And then the company I was with prior to that, it was 28 days at a time.

Scott Benner 5:30
And how many times a year do you do that?

Gregory 5:34
Oh, it was many times you get them in. But when I first started out, you know, I averaged out like roughly eight, nine months out of the year I was at work, which was not fun. And now I've gotten to a point where it averages out at six months a year. So at this to two and a half months deal. I'd go out twice. And then that would be the bid for the year.

Scott Benner 5:56
How do you even find a woman let alone make a baby when that's your schedule?

Gregory 6:01
You have to be very fast.

Scott Benner 6:05
Hi, I'm Gregory. We're getting married? Yeah, I have it. I gotta go.

Gregory 6:11
I gotta go to work. I mean, you do find some time. It's not easy. They, they say if you're not on your third divorce by the time you make chief engineer, you're not doing it. Right. You know, so I've only got the one but you know,

Scott Benner 6:25
you have been divorced once?

Gregory 6:28
Oh, yeah. Divorced from the mother of my child. I

Scott Benner 6:32
see. And was it because of the job? No, no,

Gregory 6:35
actually, the job really wasn't an issue. It's just we didn't get along. Let's let's put it that way.

Scott Benner 6:41
It was fine for you to go. No, I'm just the dick. That's what I wanted you to say. so badly. Okay, so I mean sometimes but I try not to be okay, so with your first wife, you have your child who has type one. Correct. How old your

Gregory 7:00
child right now he's eight but he'll be nine in September.

Scott Benner 7:03
Are we going to use his name or no?

Gregory 7:04
We can use it okay. His name is Xander. Xander. And

Scott Benner 7:10
there's a going to be nine. How old was he when he was diagnosed?

Gregory 7:14
He had just turned six. Okay,

Scott Benner 7:16
so we're almost three years.

Gregory 7:18
Yep. Getting pretty close. Okay. Now,

Scott Benner 7:21
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Gregory 8:48
I was at work at his time of diagnosis. It was a couple of days before I was due to come home. And the job that I was working at the time. I could have come home if I wanted to, you know but she persuaded me that that wasn't an issue. And there's only going to be a couple of days. And so we got on the internet like you do. And I was there, you know via zoom at all the doctor's appointments, you know, the hospital, the training session. They emailed me the paperwork and then when I got home ready to hit the ground running. But as you well know, they didn't really tell me very. So it was a rough transition. Fortunately for us, it number believed December 12. And shortly after diagnosis, we went to Christmas break. And so then I had him the entire time. And we were able to concentrate exclusively on figuring this out. And I'm trying to Google what is a Bolus and Google didn't know

Scott Benner 9:57
I wish you would have found

Gregory 9:58
a little while ago I'm so sorry. Yeah, it would have been nice. But

Scott Benner 10:04
go ahead. No, no, I'm sorry, I spoke over Nino.

Gregory 10:10
It happens, you know, there's there's a little bit of a delay, too. So I think it might happen a few times. That's

Scott Benner 10:15
okay. I'm figuring it out. I'm getting it. So you are? You are not. I'm sorry. Were you together at that time? Or were you already divorced?

Gregory 10:26
We were already divorced at that time. Okay.

Scott Benner 10:29
I'm really wondering about the feeling of being that far away. Is it just something that you're so used to? Or did the news of the diabetes make it more difficult than it normally is?

Gregory 10:40
I didn't really feel that far away at the time. So the job that I'm on now this is this is new, I've never worked Alaska before. But where I've been working in my career prior to this was the Gulf of Mexico. And I knew that I was only, you know, at maximum, a couple hours away by plane. I didn't fly home for this. But there was another emergency I had a little bit later. And, you know, after I told him, like, Hey, I gotta go, literally, the next day, I was on an airplane. Here, it's a little bit different. But being away, it's never really been easy. But, you know, this is the thing that I know how to do. So there's that. And I make enough money to where I can provide, and we can kind of do whatever we want to do. And now that I'm only working six months out of the year, on average, when I'm home, like I'm just a stay at home dad, which I'm remembering that question you asked. So the custody arrangement that how we have it written, written currently is I pick him up on the way home from the airport, and I dropped them off, on my way to the airport, I have him 100% of the time when I'm home. And she just has him while I'm at work.

Scott Benner 11:52
How does that work for him? Do you think? Does he like that?

Gregory 11:54
I think he likes it, you know, the the first year so I'll say the transitions were hard. He would cry a little bit when it's time to go to my house or hers. And you know, he missed us, but I think he's starting to kind of get used to it. I speculate he might enjoy the transition a little bit because my rules don't exactly match up to her rules. And you know, he gets to do different stuff when he's over there than he does over here. So it sounds like, you know, for the most part,

Scott Benner 12:29
it's different. I was just wondering, you know, because there's a long long stretches, how did you end up in this profession?

Gregory 12:38
Well, I was in a bar. Literally, I was I was in a bar. And I ran into these couple of guys that I knew from high school. And this was a few years out of high school at that time. And, you know, I wasn't making a whole lot of money. I was on a, a year off, quote unquote, from from college. I was complaining about the I wasn't making very good money. And one of them had this opportunity to go and do do this job in Iowa. And it was a repair work job. And so went out there and ended up talking to another friend of mine from high school who knew about maritime. So when that drug dried up, I was like, Well, how do I go on boats. And, you know, I got licensed to do what I had to do. I ended up running into a guy randomly at a mechanic shop, who told me that he knew a guy who get me hired and so I packed up my stuff. I hopped in my truck, and I drove to Louisiana and crashed on this guy's couch for like, a weekend. And by Monday morning, I had a job washing dishes. And then that turned into another job which turned into another job and eventually, here I am, you know?

Scott Benner 13:47
Then you meet a woman in that bar again a couple of years later. Is that how it goes?

Gregory 13:52
The internet? I found this one on the internet, you know? Cuz I can text pretty good at that.

Scott Benner 14:00
You come off well in texting Do you?

Gregory 14:04
Oh, yeah. Much better than in person. By the way. It's a disaster.

Scott Benner 14:08
I hope your current wife didn't hear you say this one. Does those make it feel like maybe another one? Oh, they're all gonna hear this. I'm sure that's not what he meant. I was just teasing. Okay, so Okay, so he's diagnosed, you get home eventually. He goes right to you. So is that difficult for your ex because she's not getting the information or do you guys have a pretty harmonious situation where you can talk?

Gregory 14:44
Not harmonious all the time. But for the most part, you know, I I do my best. Not saying I always succeed but I do my best. And I really can't speak for how she felt in the moment but You know, she did drop them off. One detail that I failed to mention was that my mom had driven down and was was there in the ER with my son and the ex wife. Going through all the stuff was kind of the transition, you know, she came and stayed with me over the Christmas break. And so, between the two of us, we kind of figured it out. And that's also how I came to know about the Juicebox Podcast was she found it and sent it to me. And I was like, I don't have time for any podcast. But eventually I did listen. And literally, you changed everything for me. Like, if if I hadn't listen to the podcast, I don't know where we would be in what we'd be doing. Like it was 100%, the podcast, why we've achieved any form of success at all. Oh,

Scott Benner 15:49
well, we'll talk about that. But now's the time when I'm going to say you should send me some like a crab legs or something like that. If only we could just feel good about it. By the way, because I'm just gonna wander until I ask you, do you like seafood? Or has the job made you hate it?

Gregory 16:04
I do like seafood. Which is pretty legit. And the seafood here is phenomenal. Literally, we go. So the cooks can come down. And they're just like, I want that fish. And that fish and that fish and that fish. And from the time it's caught to the time it's in front of you. It's like two hours. Oh,

Scott Benner 16:22
that sounds wonderful. I tried to explain to somebody Gregory who lives in the middle of the country, that the seafood they have is, is not really seafood. Like yeah, like no, that's, that's been frozen for a year and you're eating it now. It's terrible. And they're like, no, no, it's good. I'm like, You got to you got to go towards the water once in a while. So you know what's happening here, like go to the coast. But anyway, that alright, I was just gonna wonder if he had ruined it for you or not the whole time. But let's get back to how terrific I am you found the podcast. And then what happened then?

Gregory 16:58
Well, I just started, you know, cherry picking a little bit. I don't remember what day it was, I wish it did. I'm not great with dates. But I just started listening. And then you had just began the defining diabetes series. And so I listened to you know, what was available at that time. And then, you know, every so often, I'll go on and download six or 12 episodes and, you know, listen to him back to back. And, you know, through you have learned about a lot of stuff. Then incidentally, you know, one of the things that I do is I buy a lot of books, so I had bought sugar surfing and I had bought I think like a pancreas, but I hadn't made it quite that far down in the stack. But you know, I eventually did read both of those books. And then you know, I got the G voc hypo pen because you you know, we got my God I'm totally blanking on are the same meter that you use. Oh, the contour contour?

Scott Benner 17:52
Yeah. Hey, you know what the people, the people that evoke would like it if you said, I got G voc hypo pen. They don't like the word love for some reason. It's I don't know why they've never explained it to me properly. Interesting. If I could just get the whole world the way packable pen. Isn't it awkward?

Gregory 18:12
Yeah, it's a little clunky. Oh, Gregory, it

Scott Benner 18:15
took me months to teach myself not to put the word thought in front of it. And still I have trouble remembering. But anyway, I one day, I'm going to just have a lawyer on here to explain that. It's going to be a whole episode of why you can't say that. I'm always done by it. So So you find. So you're finding meaning to words that you didn't know before you're finding out about tools that you didn't know existed? Like that's valuable? Did you get any, like actual management ideas from the podcast? And what was your management style like prior to the podcast?

Gregory 18:45
Well, I learned about Pre-Bolus. From the podcast, they didn't tell us about that in the hospital in our little crash course. Excuse me. They did. They told us about carb counting. They didn't tell us that we could change our dosing strategies at all. They didn't tell us that we could change our dose at all, you know, so I can specifically remember being terrified. They had told me this was the day they told me about the 1020 30 rule, which I don't know if it's universal or not. But if he's in the hundreds, you should Pre-Bolus 10 minutes before if he's in the two hundreds, you should do a correction. Actually, they call it a correction dose 20 minutes before, 330 minutes before. And so I attempted to do that this is my first correction dose ever. And you know, I'm terrified. And it did the math wrong. So I gave him you know, something around four and a half units and that was not appropriate. And I didn't know what to do after that. Like they didn't tell me what to do. And so I'm like, you know, pushing juice on him and, you know, trying to keep him calm, but like I'm just, you know, like, DEF CON On or whatever the highest level is like I'm freaking out, which of course, we ended up having this crazy rebound, which I was happy to see because I didn't know if he was going to come up or not. It was it was not fun.

Scott Benner 20:10
I that time. Gregory, I have to tell you very surprisingly a moment ago, you said that in the beginning, you were making a correction dose. And it was scary and you use too much. And I almost cried. I you you brought you brought me right back to the first night. I was home from the hospital with Arden and like four in the morning and she needed insulin, her blood sugar was going up and I was like, I have to do something. And the panic that I felt like literally just came back in my chest now and that was man a long time ago. It was like 17 years ago. And while you were saying it, I felt like I was sitting on the floor holding that vial again. That's crazy. Wow. Yeah,

Gregory 20:51
I was also sitting on the floor, holding the vial and holding him and like, Dude, it was it was the worst. And I tried to be a prepared person. You know, in general. Like, I didn't have any resources I had, you know, I had no idea what I was doing. And, and you know, I'm not used to that sort of feeling. Gregor,

Scott Benner 21:11
I think if I was 28, and on and on and on Instagram a lot, I would say that I have unresolved trauma that I wasn't aware of. But I'm 52 So just give me the willies for a second. I'll be alright. Yeah. Oh my gosh. Alright, so. Alright, so you're learning. But are you? And I'm sorry. You said? She told me about the podcast, but I wasn't sure if you meant your mother or your ex?

Gregory 21:39
Oh, yeah. My mom.

Scott Benner 21:40
Okay. Did your ex find the podcast as well? Yeah, I told her about it. Did you think she listened? Probably not. Because you'd made it

Gregory 21:52
a couple of times. She may have tuned in a few times.

Scott Benner 21:55
She doesn't like me, it's okay to say.

Gregory 21:58
I just don't think she likes doing the things that I tell her to do.

Scott Benner 22:03
Or suggest I understand. Yeah, I'm married, by the way. And that same thing happens here. So if I say it, it's not a real thing. You mentioned that it was not your inclination to begin to listen, which I understand completely. But I honestly think if someone came to me and said, there's a podcast about diabetes just listened to I don't think I would listen to it. But what pushes you over the edge? Like what happens? Where you go? Well, maybe I'll try this thing. I don't I I'm not inclined to do

Gregory 22:30
well, you know, maybe desperation or, like, I'll just go into every avenue. But I had this idea in my head that podcasts were frivolous. You know, they're just, I didn't know that anything of substance could be on them. I say no, I

Scott Benner 22:48
understand. I have to be perfectly honest with you. I am a person who's been making a podcast for nine years. And I would probably think that still seriously, like why would I it's a big assumption that somebody would sit down and put real information into something like this, and you know, hope that someone finds it, etc. It's, it's a leap for me. Yeah.

Gregory 23:10
I'm glad that I made the leap. You know, and that was wrong. I'll admit, you know, there is definitely value in podcasts. And, you know, now that we're on the other side, so to speak. I mean, there's just I don't know where the idea came from. Because it means you know, TV can be good and bad. You know, there's, there's good programming. There's, there's bad programming out there. But you know, the thing itself isn't inherently evil. It's just a thing. You know,

Scott Benner 23:38
I hear Listen, I've heard a lot of bad podcasts. So I, I, I'm sorry, I just thought of one. I feel like someone should sneak into this person's house and steal their microphone. It would be it would be like a public service. And they did that anyway. Okay. Any autoimmune in the family?

Gregory 24:00
None that I know of. Which was the other thing I failed to mention. So no, type one on my, in my family are hers. I have come to learn. And actually it was from you. That preeclampsia is audio moot. auto immune isn't really and yeah, you spoke about it. You and I don't remember what episode are. But you were speaking to a woman who had preeclampsia and she had read some research paper and you had a discussion about it.

Scott Benner 24:34
Yeah, how about that? I forgot. I forgot to on the basis of these findings. We hypothesized that preeclampsia is a pregnancy induced autoimmune condition characterized by the presence of disease causing antigens in the receptor activating auto antibodies. How about that? That's great from the National Institute of Health and probably the second time in my life I've read that and don't remember the first time I read it, but that's Yeah, no kidding. And your did your exhale During the yes, the pregnancy I'm sorry. Okay.

Gregory 25:03
Yeah, she did. And her sister did. And her mom did.

Scott Benner 25:07
Wow. How about that? Yeah.

Gregory 25:11
So we didn't know is auto immune. But, you know, she just knew that it ran in her family and the child that we have together as her first and only child. And so she's like, oh, yeah, this might be a thing. And, you know, turns out that it was or. Yeah, but everything turned out fine.

Scott Benner 25:27
Oh, good. Okay. Well, that's, that's interesting. I'm glad you brought that up again. Okay. Now, in your note to me, you said that you wanted to talk about the problem of helping a child with type one diabetes mean, you don't have it yourself? That's a pretty specific thing to say. So I was wondering, what made you think that?

Gregory 25:46
Well, it's just something that, you know, for one, I find kind of interesting, but, you know, I know that it's something that you could relate to, you know, it's a thing that we both have an actually, I was listening to an episode, one of your podcasts just, like yesterday, a day before, and you're talking to, I forgot his name. But anyway, you're talking to a guy, he was an adult that got type one when he was a kid? And he, you asked him about, you know, do you think it's less valid, listening to a guy who, who doesn't have type one, you know, as a caregiver, and he's like, Oh, no, it's not an issue. And how, like, you want to understand what it's like for a person who has type one and how the perspective is different for someone as a caregiver. And what I wanted to tell you is that Dr. Jordan Peterson, in his first book, the 12 rules for life, one of the rules is to take care of yourself, as if you're someone you're responsible for. And so it's this idea that you take better care of, of your child than you would for yourself is kind of universal, so universal, that it's it's, you know, one of the things he specifically mentions?

Scott Benner 27:05
Well, I mean, it feels obvious to me that you should do that. Right. But yeah, it's, um, it gives you a just, I like my perspective on diabetes, like I asked, I think it was Mike, I asked that question, too recently. Was that a good algorithm episode? You heard that on

Gregory 27:21
maybe? Yeah, listening to the algorithm episodes a lot lately.

Scott Benner 27:26
And the reason that that feels very important to me, is because I obviously there's, I don't mean any math denigrating anybody, but I've seen a lot of content come from type ones about type one. And I've always thought, oh, their perspective is, so I'm gonna use the wrong phrase here. And then it's gonna sound like I'm being harsh, but I'm not. But they're, they're kind of up their own. A little bit, if that makes sense. Am I using that correctly? Yeah, I'll take it. And so it's their perspective is so like me centric, that I think they see what's happening to them, which, by the way, is completely legitimate, but but they, they're seeing what's happening to them, and they're feeling how they feel. And so then they have all these human emotions mixed in with it. And that gets in the way of them taking care of themselves, which would happens to me, by the way, like I said, Greg Gregory, buddy, yeah, Greg, I'm getting a toe surgery next week, it's no great shakes to tell you that it's probably not going to be a big deal. I'm going to be under for 45 minutes, my toe is going to be better when it's over. But if you heard me talking about it for the last month, you would think I'm having my brain removed and put into a dog. So and then I'm really hoping the dog can survive with my brain. And it's out because I'm not just, I'm worried about it. I think about how it's gonna hurt, what am I gonna have to do afterwards? What am I gonna have to do to care for it? How the hell am I going to take a shower, I'm out to get my foot wet for blah, blah, blah, like, you know, just online on I'm up my chest about this thing. Yeah, if you heard the doctor describe the surgery, you'd say to somebody, I don't even know that it's really surgery. They're gonna make a small incision on the guy's toe, they're gonna, like, clean out a joint and knock off a bone spur. And they're out of there in 45 minutes. Like, do they even need to put them to sleep for this? You know, and, and so anyway, when this happens in type one, they, they put out all this content, and that content can feel very scary, or a little woe is me sometimes. And it lacks the, it lacks a third party perspective. And so I've always thought that that my perspective on this was, you know, unique, obviously, but moreover, it was always a little dispassionate. And I don't mean that in like a cold way. I mean, like, when you're low when a person was not type ones low and they're in a panic, they can't sit back and you know, be philosophical about what's happening. And right i can and i thought that that was a valuable perspective. Anyway, yeah. Anyway, anybody who heard up their own estimates upset now, I didn't mean it like that. Just relax. And by the way, it's always good to tell people to relax. They love that. Yeah, it relaxed, calm down, always the way to go in interpersonal communication. You know, I'm thinking you said, You're so much better in texting, we should have like, texted this back and forth, and I could just turn the transcript into audio later, if you would,

Gregory 30:27
would you would have been legit.

Scott Benner 30:31
Like that didn't sound like it would take so much time. I will maybe I will try that one time. I'm gonna write that down. That's a great idea.

Works out text to speech interview. So I conducted an entire Air View by text. And then I translated into speech. Alright. I'm thinking or

Gregory 30:56
have an interview with like, Bart or chat DD? GDP.

Scott Benner 31:00
Whatever the GPT. Yeah. Is that a GPT? CPT? No, I don't know. Anyway, AI. Ai, ai. Meanwhile, I just found a company. I make transcripts for the podcast. But you know, this is something I never talked about that I always tell myself I should talk about. But each episode of the podcast has a transcript. Yeah, I just found that out. Yeah. And it's online, you can go listen to it. Each episode of the podcast has its own webpage on the juicebox podcast.com. And there's a transcript there. But I just found a company who is more centric to podcasting. So they're going to provide a transcript. And then each episode will have its own chat bot. And you can really ask that chatbot questions about the episode. And it works surprisingly well. Game Changer. Yeah. So I'm gonna start with the series. It's expensive. So I'm not doing the whole podcast right away. But I'm starting, I'm actually starting doing it today. After I record the Yeah, after I record the podcast, I got that symbols on my end, like I'm cooking with my left hand here. But, but after I make this podcast with you, I'm actually going to upload the bowl beginning series and get it translated into this audio and put chatbots up for it and everything. So it's part of what I'll be doing today.

Gregory 32:21
Oh, wow, that is so exciting. I can't wait to see it. When it's out.

Scott Benner 32:25
I have a lot of hope for it. And my fingers crossed, and I just sent them a lot of money last night. So it better work. I better be right about this.

Gregory 32:33
I hope so. But I could see that being incredibly useful. Especially, you know, for somebody that was newly diagnosed, and then they're trying to put it out there, learn about it. And it's, I don't know, it seemed like Google was working against me, but they have something techspace where they can search keywords, and it, you know, hopefully directs them in some kind of way to where they can get help. Oh, my God do,

Scott Benner 32:57
right. It's my only had that I'm also pushing the company to. So right now you get a bot per transcript. And I'm assuming that's why it's so damn accurate. But I said to them, I'm like, if I could just like, group together 20 transcripts, like for the whole series, and the bot would go through the series and like it would be a big deal. And I am thinking, by the way, Gregory exactly on the lines that you are, which is, you know, imagine if you could go to an app, like imagine there was a Juicebox Podcast app, and you just could say, What does Bolus mean? And you would get an an audio return and a tax return. If you wanted to go listen, you're blowing my mind. Yeah, I know. I was. So I'm sure I've been trying to explain to people how cool this is. And no one like everyone's looking through me like I don't know, it seems like a waste of money. I know. I'm like this is a thing. I already started talking to my my son's like, my son's like, I want to start making apps, like on the side to like practice my coding. I'm like, make an app for the podcast. I'm like, here's what I want. I want yeah, I want you to be able to listen in the app, I want you to be able to, I went through to be widgets for fat and protein for setting Basal insulin like that kind of stuff, like all in this one app. So anyway, I'm working on that. It's not man. It's expensive. Yeah, yeah. I need a real app. Like, what I need Gregory's to have saved the life of a child of an app developer. That's, that's what I need. Yeah. Send me a note and say, hey, I can make that out for you. Anyway, we'll see what happens.

Gregory 34:33
There's got to be one with your reach. There's gotta be one. Just one

Scott Benner 34:38
kind app developer whose kid has a better life now because of me. Come on. Where are you at? Anyway, yeah, I'm working on it. I really am. It's, I think about this podcast a lot. So in by extension, I'm thinking about the people are listening and how to how to make things better for them. And I'm trying to make it future proof too. So that it, because I'm gonna get old. Yeah, you know. So we'll say, I'm working on it. In your note, you talked about the importance of making friends with diabetes, both parents and for your child, I was wondering, what made you bring that up? Yeah.

Gregory 35:14
Well, we're still struggling with that. But, you know, like I mentioned earlier, we didn't really have anyone in the family that we could lean on. I did find out later that I had a former brother in law, who who had type one, but by that point, we were, we were already doing fairly well, but just having somebody to talk to about it, you know, not even necessarily somebody that was more advanced, although that would be nice, you know, somebody to give advice, but just somebody to talk to how difficult it is, and just how life changing and it's just, you know, I don't know, if, if my experience is unique, you know, I don't think that it was but incredibly isolating. So the positive thing was that I had my immediate family, you know, to kind of lean on in that time, and, you know, then they, you know, lean on me. And so, you know, between us, it kind of drew us closer together, but for my son, you know, like he's still the only type one in the family and so he kind of feels different, you know, yeah, alone.

Scott Benner 36:21
Yeah, yeah.

Gregory 36:22
And we've we've attempted to, you know, meet other kids or whatever. And, you know, that's nice.

Scott Benner 36:28
But it's a little weird, right? To seek out a person just because they have diabetes. And then, like, what if they don't like to say movies as you or whatever you don't like you have nothing in common with them other than diabetes that gets its? Is that what you're getting at? It's hard to find people? Yeah, yeah. I mean, the only thing I can tell you about that, is that Arden knows one person with type one diabetes. Really? Yeah, personally, and she's never met her their friends online. And the only reason she knows her I think if I'm remembering the story correctly, is the girl thought. The girl reached to Arden on Instagram, thinking she was reaching to the podcast. And that's how they met. And then they're very good friends. They just Oh, yeah, they just don't, they've never met each other in person. So how strange Yeah, it's just the weirdness. Now she's, you know, she said, like, there's kids in high school have had diabetes that she's never met before. Even though the high school wasn't that big. At college. Someone said something to her one day about, like, oh, that's an insulin pump. I have a friend of mine has diabetes. And she mentioned a person who she's like, Oh, I know that person, like tangentially. But I've never really like I'm not friendly with them. But they have type one. But she has she doesn't. It's hard. And if I've learned one thing from the podcast is how valuable it is to have other people with type one in your life. And yeah, I think that, you know, I'm not a big, this is gonna sound strange for me. I'm not a big proponent of replacing in real life with online. But yeah, in this situation, when it's such a specific ask. I can't say enough about that Facebook group, and, and the friendships that I see people building in there. And, you know, they end up meeting each other in real life. And even if they don't meet, just seeing them interact online seems to be very comforting for people. Yeah, yeah. Are you in that group?

Gregory 38:30
Yeah, I am in the group. But Incidentally, I don't really like Facebook very much either. So you're a boy. So think I have a boy. Yeah. I don't. Yeah. It once upon a time, when I was younger, he used to go on Facebook a lot. Just needless drama. And like, I don't care what you had for dinner. You know, I wasn't on there. Like, I kept it longer than I probably should have. Because, you know, you keep up with family or whatever. But I deleted it for like four years. Recently. I did turn it back on. I think it was actually to join the podcast

Scott Benner 39:10
group. I have to say the private group for the podcast is the least dramatic place on Facebook I've ever seen, which is also uncommon for diabetes groups. But yeah, but we very purposefully keep it that way. And yeah, like I saw something pop up the other day. And, you know, I think there's part of me that just believes like, sometimes on Facebook, it's drunk o'clock, and so people get a little thing. Yeah, people get a little snippy in certain times. But as soon as it starts happening, I'm like, No, look, we're not doing this gig be nice. And that's it. And I really I don't remove comments, unless you're not nice. And I know people are going to be like, Yeah, who's the arbiter of what that is? And the answer is I am. But you know, if your group yeah If people are being a jerk for no reason, or they look like they're trying to pick a fight, I tried to understand first, and then if it just seems meaningless, and and, and unkind, for no reason, then I'll remove it. And I send them a nice little note that says, I need you to be nicer, like, find a nicer way to say that or please don't say, and you'd be surprised how being direct really works. You know, like, like, instead of being snippy back with them, or whatever is people's inclination, I'm just very upfront, I'm like, we're not doing this. So and then people learn that that's not okay there. And then for the most part, that just doesn't happen. But anyway, like, I'm not trying to push you towards it. It's just, I think I've learned running a massive group online, which is another thing I didn't think I would have to do in my life, but whatever. At one point, you didn't know you're going to be on a boat fixing a hydraulic pump. But here you are. So

Gregory 40:57
this is true. Scary.

Scott Benner 40:58
I know you want to talk about transitioning, care. And I want to actually finish up the episode with that. But first, I really want to ask you, have you almost ever died? Have you ever seen anyone die? What's the scariest thing you've seen on that ship?

Gregory 41:11
So I have not almost died, for the most part is fairly safe. And the vessels that I work on are in good repair. This vessel is actually the first one that I've been on that wasn't brand new when I came onto it. So you know, that's a little daunting working on something older than not in a bad way. But I have not seen anyone die. There was on the first vessel ever worked on someone did die, but they had a heart attack. It wasn't you know, anything to do with the vessel other than you know, maybe they cook them too much fried food. But it wasn't there at the time. So Gregory, what

Scott Benner 41:48
do you do with the body? Well, we

Gregory 41:50
were at the dock at the time. Oh, okay. So, yeah. So they like they were just going to leave, and they were going to wake him up, he was one of the office personnel. And, you know, he didn't wake up.

Scott Benner 42:03
I was in my imagination is you're out in the ocean, you've got the body. Now, you need to keep it cold. So you wrap it in plastic and then drag it behind the boat. That was my idea.

Gregory 42:14
Well, on this vessel, we have a enormous freezer. So I think that's probably the route. Wow,

Scott Benner 42:19
isn't that crazy? But nobody thinks that when they take a job one day, I might be in the freezer. Where is it is it as dangerous as television makes it seem the job itself of

Gregory 42:31
Alaskan fish. So I don't work in a crab boat. So like, it's not like Deadliest Catch, you know, not to get on a soapbox about Alaskan fishing. But it's, it's very different than the the other aspects of the industry that I'm accustomed to. And dangerous would be the word that I would use. But I mean, it's not like, we're losing guys left and right or anything like that. It's just, there's, there's, it's a weird situation, I don't fully understand it. But in the rest of the world, there's a lot of safety laws and regulations that apply one of them. And there's, they wrote entire books full of safety regulations. And they're written in writing. Not literally, but because they're written in blood, you know, like these laws get passed because somebody died. One of them. And, you know, I'm going to try not to get on a huge soapbox about this, but one of them is called solace. And it actually started because of the Titanic. So it stands for safety of life at sea. And it's just laws saying, you know, there have have to be enough lifeboats for everybody. There has to be enough flotation devices for everybody. There has to be, you know, some sort of beacon that if, you know, the vessel we're on, like, we could potentially locate the survivors, you know, and, you know, I'm doing huge broad strokes on this, but it's just, you know, it seems like common sense stuff, but, you know, without writing it down, then people aren't going to do it and out that Alaskan fishing doesn't apply. Because those regulations, we

Scott Benner 44:12
use a different book in Alaska.

Gregory 44:16
Yeah, yes. It's really weird. You know, so like, I come from, you know, this very professional world where, I mean, almost everything that you're required to do other than, you know, incidental breakdowns is is written. I mean, you can look it up in here. It's just like the Wild West. Oh, yeah, we're fishing. It doesn't matter. For catching fish. It's like, Oh, my goodness.

Scott Benner 44:41
Is it a is it a good paying job for the people running the lines and throwing the nets and stuff? It? Yeah,

Gregory 44:47
it can't be a good paying job. For sure.

Scott Benner 44:49
Nice. Yeah, I mean, I would imagine you have to pay me a reasonable amount to do something like that. Is it cold by the way, like, are you? Is it cold there? I'm assuming Yes, but

Gregory 45:02
yeah, so I am reading about this record heatwave that's hitting the rest of the country, but it's 56 degrees outside right now.

Scott Benner 45:11
Wow. It won't stop raining here. I mean, it's rained more this summer on the East Coast, then. I don't know 20 summers of my life combined, it feels like it's just not I wake up every day, and it's been raining overnight. While you and I were talking for the first 20 minutes, I thought there was a freight train outside for a while. I just have a good microphone, so you're not going to hear it, but it was insane. just won't stop. Anyway. Okay, so the last thing you asked about is transitioning care. So I'm wondering what, you know, what is it you're seeing and what is it you're trying to get to? I don't remember. Your were like at the end, I'd really like to ask you some questions about transitioning care, like from, you know, as he gets older, but that's okay. If you don't, Oh,

Gregory 46:04
yeah. Okay. Yes. Okay. Now, I know, I thought you're talking. I wrote this a year ago. So I hardly remember the guy who wrote that

Scott Benner 46:13
this is my fault, Gregory. Because the recordings I'm doing right now, were scheduled. as far out as I've ever scheduled a recording in my life. I made the mistake of like, I opened up July forward, like, in I forget, like September, or something like that. So like I'm recording with people now who are saying a lot. I can't believe I remember to do this. But so now I've I've shortened the window. I've been putting people off who are like I want to get on the schedule. I'm like, now you got to wait till it gets closer to when I can actually do it. But anyway, is that something that? I mean, is that makes sense? Yeah. It's been a thing, I guess, what's your son's level of proficiency? Like, how does he do on his own?

Gregory 46:59
He does very well now. Well, you know, when I first signed up for this, I was just starting to try to, you know, give him a couple little response. A lot better to where he can pretty much do it. He's not the best at counting his own carbs. But he can read the label and put it in there. He's not the best about Pre-Bolus thing. He says that he just doesn't like doing it. Well, you have.

Scott Benner 47:28
He doesn't like doing it. Tell them none of us like, yeah, give it a little. Gregory, you're breaking up a little bit now that I think the ship might be underwater. Ah, sorry. Yeah, it's the first time it's Listen, we've been at this 50 minutes. This is the first time it's been like any kind of a real issue. But you said you started to give him some responsibility. Yeah, he doesn't like the Pre-Bolus. But he's doing well with label reading stuff like that. I sit down, tell him that none of us like to Pre-Bolus I don't think that'll make them feel any better. But But yeah, I mean, so common stuff. Honestly. A nine year old on almost nine year old has had diabetes for three years. If they're reading labels, and can understand how to count carbs, and understand that Pre-Bolus thing is important, even though they can't accomplish it. I think you're right about where I would expect you to be.

Gregory 48:25
Oh, yeah, I'm happy with where we are. But when I wrote that thing I was, I was terrified to ever let him do it. You know, like, it's just like, how do I ever let go? And like, let him do this, knowing he's not going to do like what I've been doing, you know, because I have, by that point, years of experience. So you know, the question was like, how, like, how did you let go, but then I did it. That's so bad. It's

Scott Benner 48:52
one of those things where if you're in that situation that you were in, you would think, Scott, I need a five episode series on transfer care how to let go how to blah, blah. And the truth is, they get older, you teach them stuff, they learn it, and then life goes on. And that's how it is. And it worked. And it just happened. Yeah, you're not. There's there's this idea that I think, really plagues younger parents, or parents of younger people. And that idea is that all of their decisions are somehow mapping out another person's life. And while that is true ish, it's not as specific as you hope it is, when you're doing it. It's not like I'll say this now so that they do that. All the stuff that happens it when you if you reverse trace it back to how it worked out. It's never the way you thought, like you never get where you're going on purpose. There's like simple consistencies. You know, be consistent, be available. You know, offer love like these basic ideas. about parenting. They're the ones you need, like the specifics. Like you're not a puppet master. You know what I mean? And I think that people who try to do stuff like that end up really just manipulating people. And and I don't know that you can manipulate people into doing the right thing. I mean, if you could, the world might be a better place. And I just doesn't seem like you can do that. So yeah, my answer is, also my answer is some of your kids are going to suck at this when they get older. Yeah, and I don't know that that's anybody's fault, either. But certainly, if you don't do the things, which to me are just, I hate using a therapy words, but like, you model good behaviors, and you stay consistent. And that's how you teach your kids to do stuff. It's, I mean, it's not really that hard or confusing. But I do know why you were scared about it, because I was really scared about it, too, for a long time. Yeah. But I had this podcast and people were asking me, like, the very, a very common question for people to ask me is, oh, yeah, well, you're good at it. But how are you going to teach that to her? And for years, I would answer, repetition. We're gonna do it over and over again, we're going to talk about it, we're going to, you know, just set this as an expectation. And I think she'll pick it up. And people would like, a lot of people would be like, Yeah, well, good luck. Let's see that happen. I actually, the first time I spoke in public, Gregory about diabetes, I'm never going to forget this. I was up on stage, given my little chit chat. And there was a another person in the room watching me from the back. So other people would diabetes, like to sit in my talks and scowl at me while I'm talking. Okay, it's a lot of fun. Like, and I don't mean, just people with diabetes, I mean, like people who think of themselves as people who talk at those things, because I would show up at them and talk much differently than everybody else was. Right. And I would talk about like, look, here's some standard things you can do that will make your blood sugar's more stable, and your agencies lower, and you can do these things. And they'd sit in the back and go, Oh, this isn't right. And I've had diabetes for 30 years, and blah, blah, blah, these are some of these people, like believe in brittle diabetes still, and stuff like that. And so, so I remember this person who was as popular in the diabetes space online as a person could be. And I got done speaking, and I was just trying to get to a glass of water coming off stage, like I was thirsty. And they cut me down as I was walking, and like, not quite finger, my chest, but pretty close. I have a question. And I was like, alright, so I was like, Can we answer this question over by the table water, but whatever. And this is all well and good. But I grew up with diabetes, and it's not that easy to be taught, and blah, blah, blah. And what I realized was, this person was angry that they didn't have the experience I was describing. And their life was harder because of it. And I felt I felt like very compassionate towards them while they were talking. Because they were mad at me. But I realized they were mad. Maybe their own mom, or right life or whatever, yeah, whatever it was something, and that's not going to work and you're giving these people hope that their kids are going to be okay. And they're not going to be and I'm like, Oh, I think you're wrong about that. But yeah, you know, thanks for coming. And I won't be at your talk later.

Gregory 53:40
Yeah, I suppose that comes with the territory has been some. I mean, it's, it feels weird to say groundbreaking, right? But like, just changing the status quo. Right? in a better way. You know,

Scott Benner 53:53
it's weird. All I really did. Like, in the beginning of all this, all I'm all I can take credit for is that I said the things out loud that other people wouldn't say out loud. That's all. That's all I did. Plenty of people know how to Pre-Bolus their meals. And they do it for themselves back then. And if you ask them, Hey, should I take my insulin a certain amount of time before I eat? They would they would not answer because they think, Well, I don't want you to take your insulin and then get low, and then that'll be my fault for bringing it up. Right. I looked at that same scenario. And I said, it's unconscionable to know these things and not tell somebody else about them, and let them struggle for their whole life. So I didn't make up Pre-Bolus thing. But I very well may have been one of the first people who was willing to say it out loud, consistently. And yeah, that's pretty much it. So I mean, look how silly that is. You listen, you Pre-Bolus your meals. Great. Once he goes down a point. Yeah, no more maybe. But then you'll start seeing how insulin works, and you'll start making better decisions about insulin and before you know it, you'll have more stability all over the 24 hour period that you're living every day, and on and on and on. And that's how you learn, you learn by having the tools like, there were these tools for diabetes, they were locked in a bag, nobody would let you have them. And so you're beaten out of now you're beaten on a nail with your wrist trying to get it to go in and, you know, doesn't work that way. So you give up, because you don't want a bloody wrist. It's not that is honestly, like, I'm happy to take credit for how good the podcast is, and how much it helps people on stuff. But I didn't say anything crazy. You know, so I just a lot of people just weren't willing to talk. And honestly, I'm not mad at them. But maybe I am a little, like you had a platform like for the last 15 years, people have had different platforms, blogs, they've had speaking engagements. You know, Greg, you've got me upset now. I apologize for that. But sorry, I was online, I get up in arms, too. I was online yesterday. And this big organization was making a big deal about research that oh my gosh, like, we've got to do something, it's 2023, we've got to do something. Research shows that most people can't achieve a seven a one say, what are we going to do? And I thought, Who is most people? Research tells them that most people with type one diabetes, or have an A one C of over seven? We don't know. And they will wring their hands about that. And they will raise money off of that. And they will spend money and they will do research and they'll piss the next 10 years away off of that. And the answer is give him a free podcast or he wants to go in the sixes. Yeah, but nobody's gonna say that out loud. i It's my job. And everyone's job listening to share it with people, because those people who are actually who could actually share in a minute, with every doctor on the planet, they're not going to do that. They're just going to sit around going Woe is me. diabetes is hard. People don't do well, what are we going to do? How are we going to help them? That's unknowable? I mean, I guess that's just diabetes. diabetes, right? Yeah. And it's not, it's, it's the way you talk about it. And if you don't, and if that person does know, and isn't sharing, then I am mad at them. And if they don't know, and they're doing this, then it's just upsetting that this is how the world works, where new people come into a space over and over again, find the same old problem and leave before they fix it. And then the next person comes in and thinks they've discovered something amazing. You know? I don't know. Anyway, it's bureaucracy. And I don't know.

Gregory 57:43
It's, it's a bit of just deciding people as a whole. And you know, not to bring up the same person twice. But Jordan, Dr. Jordan Peterson talks about this. Some people get a lot of social currency out of pity or feeling sorry for them, or, you know, oh, what was me? And believe it or not, it actually makes them happy to talk about how hard they habit. And I'm not saying that, you know, all these people are doing that. But it's surprisingly common, and it's more common today than it was 20 years ago.

Scott Benner 58:11
Yeah. Well, in the end, there's a very common business saying, don't bring me problems. Bring me solutions. Yeah, it should be Yeah. And most people are, they're so great at telling you what's wrong. But they don't, they don't do anything about how to fix it. It's just always this is what's wrong, this is what's wrong. I'll go tell everybody, this is what's wrong. They'll agree with me. And then we'll be in this kinship of complaining or whatever. And we'll all we'll all feel better, because it's happening to you. And it's happening to me, and therefore, I mean, listen, no lie. Like, I used to say on the podcast all the time, like, it's nice to know, because this is what I used to think about blogging, like people blogged about diabetes. And they, they were able to share experiences and other people could see, oh, other people are going through this too, which by the way, is very comforting, and it's valuable. But what I would expand on normally is it's nice to know that you're not the only one up at 2am trying to stop a low blood sugar. But wouldn't it be better if your blood sugar didn't get low at 2am? And why don't we talk about that instead? Yeah, I'm not familiar with the doctor. You're you're saying but like, those two things make a lot of sense to me that you brought up so far. Yeah, just you know, do do something. Stop complaining. Just do something. I don't know. I'm very upset. Now. Gregory. We got to stop. I'm sorry. I

Gregory 59:39
got you there. No, I

Scott Benner 59:40
don't know what you did. I just wanted Fried crab legs and now none of that's gonna happen. I have one question. I'm in a bar. I've got Alaskan King and Dungeness which should I go? They're all the same. Really? Yeah. Just crab me well,

Gregory 59:59
It's the same crap.

Scott Benner 1:00:01
Wait, what are you saying? A Dungeness crab and an Alaskan King Crab are not the same crab? No,

Gregory 1:00:07
I thought they were the same, I don't believe are actually King. I think Alaskan King Crab is actually several different breeds of crab. And I'm just kidding.

Scott Benner 1:00:18
But you better stick the motors. Yeah, we don't want you involved in the seafood too much.

Gregory 1:00:22
I'm not the fisherman. I just

Scott Benner 1:00:26
Oh my god, I have to stop myself from calling this episode The Gordon's fishermen, which I won't do, but

Gregory 1:00:33
I don't identify as a fisherman. I'm a an engineer.

Scott Benner 1:00:37
No, had you gotten the crap? A little better. I don't know what I would have done. But yeah, so All right. Well, then we all are just picturing Quint and the steam coming off the motor and you down there banging on it trying to get away from the sharp by the way sharks. Are they as scary as I think they are? I've only

Gregory 1:00:54
actually ever seen one in the career. And by the time I came up on deck, they'd already been up pull the teeth out. It was pretty beat up.

Scott Benner 1:01:03
Oh, they caught it by mistake or on purpose. Yeah. And

Gregory 1:01:07
it caught it by mistake. It just just got stuck in there. But it was pretty big. You know, easily eight feet long.

Scott Benner 1:01:13
Let's get the hell out of me. Yeah. How old? Are you? 36. Yeah, see, there's a small group of us in our 50s Whose parents took us to see Jaws when we were like five or six years old. Well, I saw it. Yeah. Do you see what your five because I was pretty young. Yeah, there used to be this little creek that ran behind the apartment I grew up in. And I had a reoccurring dream that that shark would stand up on its feet walk out of that creek and come and kill my family. So that was a lot of fun.

Gregory 1:01:47
I saw thing believe is a documentary but I don't know. But they've directly attributed that movie with the fact that Great White Sharks are now endangered. Like people hunted them. Because like, I'm not gonna get caught by jaws. And now they're a protected species.

Scott Benner 1:02:07
Well, Gregory, that makes a lot of sense. Because what you don't know about me is in my free time I I actually am hunting Godzilla. So for a very, very similar reason. I saw that movie and I was like, we've got to do something about this. So I've been after it. Really? It's an issue. Yeah, if I wasn't making the podcast I think I'd have him by now. But it just takes up a lot of my time so I'm not able to. Alright, that

Gregory 1:02:32
in Lake Placid, you know people going after the Gators, really?

Scott Benner 1:02:36
Because now know what a bad movie. Oh my god, you know, a lot of bad movies. Good for you.

Gregory 1:02:45
All right, I have a bit of free time on the boat to watch movies and read books. How do you exercise on the boat? Well, different vessels have different stuff. But for the most part, we do have exercise equipment. I prefer to use kettlebells because they're small and you can carry him around and not so bad. But the vest was on prior to this had a full rogue fitness set, you know, squat rack benchpress you know, had the the whole apparatus we had our whole gym setup was

Scott Benner 1:03:13
nice. How big is it? How long from is it stem to stern? Am I saying that? Right? Yeah, we can do it then. Yeah. How? How long is the ship like how many they measure the my theater.

Gregory 1:03:24
They do measure it and feet. So the one that I'm on now is 244. The vessels on prior to this was an articulated tug and barge, which is like a tug and barge unit but they're married. They never really come apart. That one the tub was 140. But the barge was at least 650. And then the vessel was on prior to that was around 280 feet.

Scott Benner 1:03:47
240 is like 80 yards. It's like a football field. Now that can't be right. That's not right. 244 feet equals 81 yards. Am I getting that wrong?

Gregory 1:03:56
No, you're right, but maybe you're wrong. Doesn't seem like it's that big. I like you know, really, as long as the football field is not as wide. It feels small to me. How

Scott Benner 1:04:06
long does it take to walk from one end to the other?

Gregory 1:04:08
A couple of minutes.

Scott Benner 1:04:10
Okay. All right. I think you're insane for getting on the water in something you can't escape from immediately. But that's just how I grew up in my mind. So I don't understand people get on boats at all if I'm being 100% Honest.

Gregory 1:04:23
Not even a job like any other spot so bad. Yeah,

Scott Benner 1:04:26
even a lake you couldn't get me on a 12 foot pleasure cruise. Like for I grew up with the Gilligan's Island. I don't want to have the coconuts.

Gregory 1:04:35
Coconut is delicious. You'll love it. Yeah, for

Scott Benner 1:04:37
the first day. And then what? And what? And I you know what I mean? Like the old man was rich and he wanted everybody to take care of him. I can't be involved in all that Gregory. I tried to do this with ours and the other day. I said, God, no. I tried to get her to recollect that she knew anything about Gilligan's Island, which she absolutely does not. And I said just tell me how long was the tour? And she goes what I'm liking Gilligan's Island. And then I'm like, the song I'm singing the song. And she's like, I don't know what you're talking about. And I'm like, Ah, like they say the length of the tour twice in the in the in the opening. And she's she's like, I don't know what you're talking about. I was like, ah, nevermind, I got angry. I was like, what was a three hour tour?

Gregory 1:05:19
I walked in those three hours. Everybody knows. Exactly.

Scott Benner 1:05:24
I was so upset. She didn't know. Her friend is over. There's like studying, it's summertime like Arden's making clothing and her friends studying for something. And and I just looked at both of them was like You miserable little kids. Like just watch Gilligan's Island one time, like, I don't know how long I'd make it through an episode. If I tried to watch it now, probably about eight minutes before I was like, Oh, what am I doing? But anyway, Gregory was this Gilligan's Island. Oh, okay.

Gregory 1:05:52
All right, it cut out for a second. So I lost the bed.

Scott Benner 1:05:55
That's okay. Is there anything we haven't talked about that we should have? I'm going to wrap up.

Gregory 1:06:00
There's a couple of things. Bring it up. So you know, just something that I wanted to mention is that there there is another loop out there. And that's not an iPhone is called Android APs. And that's what we use. You had talked about your looping with with Arden. And, you know, I looked up Lupe, and it's for iPhone only. It was like, Oh, I guess I don't get to do that. That sucks. But then I had an experience, you know, not to make a short story long, but I was working a job. And I end up having to quit that job. Because you know, my son had an emergency I had to come home. And which, you know, wasn't great. But I left, you know, I got another job. There's plenty of jobs out there. So that's fine. And then I was like, Well, you know, I just can never go anywhere else. I just have to stay, you know, at this particular job that I had at the time. But then I found out that Android APS exists. I don't know how I found it. But I did find it. And so I went in and built the app and made a loop and it changed everything. You know, like we thought we were doing fairly well. And we were staying consistently consistency agencies in the sixes. And we got down to like the high fives as soon as we get onto the, the algorithm. So just the Android app is called Android APS for everybody out there.

Scott Benner 1:07:18
And it is extensively talked about in episode 924. Called APS walkie.

Gregory 1:07:25
Yeah, I listen to that one. Yeah. Which I got to look up that guy's blog, because what he's doing is amazing. Like, he doesn't Pre-Bolus He just how did you do that? That's amazing. You just put in your carbs. And it sounds like wizardry, to me.

Scott Benner 1:07:39
There's that and there is the one, what episode was it, where a guy was talking about how he thinks location services, and some other things are going to revolutionize how people Bolus one day. Meaning that an AI like meaning that you could go to Pizza Hut on like Fifth Avenue and Seventh Street, and you would Bolus for it and have an experience and a need for insulin and then go to a different pizza place maybe a different time have a different experience. And that the algorithm could remember the two and that he believes one day you'll go and say I'm having pizza. And you know, it will remember which pizza place you're at by your location services and then adjust your insulin based on your location and past experiences. And he was talking about it like he's like that's just very doable. And I'm like Alright man, like get to work you know what I mean? Like if you get going I that was I can't believe I can't remember what episode that was because that would fascinated me.

Gregory 1:08:51
Yeah, that's that's scares me. Sounds terrible. Like, like, you know, all my big brother, you know, government's watching alarms going off? Like no, don't do that. They're

Scott Benner 1:09:03
not watching you. They don't care about you. Where is that? I can't find it. Um, you know what the one of the problems is? I have so many episodes that. Yeah, when I searched my own website, I'm like, Oh, it could be any number of 20 of those. But yeah, yeah, anyway, like I don't know if that'll ever happen or not. But when he was talking about it, I was really like wow, that's really crazy. Like that idea of like, me forget even location like imagine if you told it. You know, I'm at the pizza place up the street from my house. And it knew you're going to eat two slices of pizza from there because that's about what you usually do and it's X amount of insulin and you get a rise at this time and blah blah blah but that that is literally different at a different place eating the same food. Yeah, I mean, I don't know how again like that's beyond my paygrade but that anybody even thought about that was amazing. And back to your APS Wilkie that he He's got his loop set up. So he's not really announcing meals ahead of time. Or even or even putting in insulin right? His his algorithm is set up in a way that when his blood sugar starts to go up, it like stops it.

Gregory 1:10:13
Yeah, yeah. around that, right. Unbelievable. Yeah, yeah, that's what I heard. Yeah.

Scott Benner 1:10:18
That's crazy stuff. So anyway, that's hopefully where the future is going. I hope so. Yeah. It'd be lovely. What else? What else? Did I not let you talk about?

Gregory 1:10:28
I was I was so stuck on the Android APS thing. I just wanted everybody to know.

Scott Benner 1:10:31
Yeah. Oh, it's excellent. Yeah, if you have Android, check out Android APs. If you wanna check out loop, you know, there are a lot of DIY options out there right now. And they're aggressively good artists using loop three right now. And many is terrific. So all this stuff is terrific. It's, it's all in its infancy. And it should be very exciting for people who, who have type one diabetes or loved somebody who does, there's work being done right now about getting pumps and algorithms on people with type two diabetes, these injectable semaglutide drugs. GLP ones are crazy effective. I know type twos using it, who's a one sees are coming down. I'm on a GLP. One. I've lost 27 pounds in 16 weeks. I don't even have diabetes. And it works. For me. I'm using Wiko V, which is specifically for weight loss. Like this. Yeah. Seems like the beginning of something here. So

Gregory 1:11:34
I hope so. And you know, it feels like, you know, this is 2023 There should be more development. But I'm just glad that it's being developed now. And you know, it just I hope there comes a day where there's more open and free information out there, you know, and I'm very glad that you're putting it out there. And that's, that's wonderful. But there really should be like a pamphlet at the doctor's office, like, hey, you know, we're not condoning this, but there's a podcast you can listen to. And here's a list of books, you know, that people get good results out of, and blah, blah, blah, you know, if not offering a class like, Hey, did you know Pre-Bolus was a thing? Like, do you know what a Bolus is? Yeah, like before you walk out of there. Like it's just,

Scott Benner 1:12:16
it just don't? It does seem like there's a better way it Yeah, it does seem like there's a better way to do this, doesn't it? Right. And it's so basic. Yeah. No, no,

Gregory 1:12:25
like, now that we're doing it. It's like, it's, it's not hard at all.

Scott Benner 1:12:30
And I hear in your voice too. It's upsetting, right? If you don't, if you don't find a podcast, it's a ridiculous thing. Forget, it's my podcast for a second. If you don't find a podcast, your kids a one sees what the sevens or the eights you don't know what you're doing. You're scared all the time. He's getting high, he's getting low, it really changes the course of his and your life. And for the love of a little bit of information, like a little bit of how to and a little bit of understanding. And everyone knows it and doesn't do anything about it. Or they don't know that those are the two levels of I mean, you get you get three different doctors, you get the one that knows there's plenty of doctors to tell people about the podcast, like but you either get one that knows, and they share it with you, you get one that doesn't know. And so you're just led to believe this is it? Or you get the ones that No, and don't tell people, they don't want to be the reason you have a low blood sugar. So they'd rather you be high your whole life and have a different problem later than be like, Oh, I told them to Pre-Bolus and they got low. And now they're mad at me. And yeah, I mean, it's it's I don't know, you got to have a little more if you're going to be in this line of work, you should maybe have a little more balls. You know what I mean? Right, that's all. All right, you know, just give medical advice. Yeah. So Gregory, what's the rest of the day? Like you're off your shifts done? Right? Yeah, I'm done now. So what do you do for the rest of the

Gregory 1:13:55
eye might read for a little bit, and then just go to sleep and do it all over again? Tomorrow? Gotcha.

Scott Benner 1:13:59
Does the time go by quickly the two and a half months? Or is it drag?

Gregory 1:14:05
Some days are quicker than others, you know, tends to drag a bit. Certainly my first day was a whole lot longer in my last day. I'll promise you that. But you know, you keep busy, heavy little projects. And before you know what the clock spins, and it's it's time for you to be done. You know, and then of course, there's those days where everything goes wrong all at once. And it just doesn't feel like there's enough hours in the day to make it happen. But you do.

Scott Benner 1:14:30
That's it, man. Well, I appreciate it. I I'm a big fan of seafood. And so thank you. I've had a problem. I really

Gregory 1:14:41
have nothing to do with that part. I just keep them keep them moving. Oh,

Scott Benner 1:14:43
it sounds like if the boat didn't move, they wouldn't be catching the food. So it sounds pretty important. There'd be less. Right? Because there'd be people banging on things with hammers going Why won't it work?

Gregory 1:14:56
Yeah, or bloodying their hands on nails and being like,

Scott Benner 1:14:58
I was told this Just the way I was told this was the tool I Can't Believe It's Not. I appreciate you bringing stuff back around at the end Gregor, that was very nice. If you hold on for one second, I just need to talk to you before we think about tick tock.

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