#1124 Fifty Fifty Custody

February 6, 2024Scott Benner

Ethan's ex told him about the podcast and they are both active in the management of their type 1 daughter.

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Scott Benner 0:00
Hello friends, welcome to episode 1124 of the Juicebox Podcast.

Ethan and his ex have a 14 year old daughter who was diagnosed with type one diabetes when she was 11. Today I'll be speaking with Ethan to learn more about his daughter who's very athletic plays volleyball and spends her time 5050 Between her mom and dad's house. Nothing you hear on the Juicebox Podcast should be considered advice, medical or otherwise, always consult a physician before making any changes to your health care plan. Don't forget to save 40% off of your entire order at cozy earth.com. All you have to do is use the offer code juice box at checkout that's juice box at checkout to save 40% at cosy earth.com. When you place your first order for ag one with my link, you'll get five free travel packs and a free year supply of vitamin D. Drink ag one.com/juice box. If you're not already subscribed or following in your favorite audio app, please take the time now to do that it really helps the show and get those automatic downloads set up so you never miss an episode

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Ethan 2:09
I'm Ethan. I am a proud parent of a type one athletic daughter who's 14 Getting ready to start high school. Again, very athletic. She's a great volleyball player. And this is our we're embarking on our third year of this new lifestyle change of diabetes

Scott Benner 2:34
event. She was diagnosed when she was 11.

Ethan 2:39
Yeah, she went into DKA in September 2020 2020.

Scott Benner 2:42
Wow. Okay, we'll talk about that in a minute. But first, tell people what you said before we started recording

Ethan 2:52
that this was a fairly year ago I've ever seen something on Facebook posting. I think there's like three questions more like along the lines of, you know, being a parent of, but I don't remember the gist of it, honestly. So I tried to look it up. I'm like, Okay, well, let's just do this. This is a diabetic podcast. So let's go for it. But yeah, I don't really remember the

Scott Benner 3:15
context of it. The schedule is so far out in the future that so here's what ends up happening is I start getting pressured around this time of year, like mid mid July, August. And people are like, I want to be on the show and be on the show. I'm like alright, well, my schedule is full like right now. Ethan, if you signed up to be on the show today, I think I don't have an opening until third week of January. February is almost full already. So that's the situation we find ourselves in. And so because people are trying to jump on the schedule, because it fills so quickly, their length of time to be on the show like just the record is sometimes it's sometimes it's a year after you sign up and then six months after that for your episode. It takes 18 months to hear your voice on the podcast basically.

Ethan 4:06
Oh wow. Really? Okay, so that's okay, I was gonna I was actually going to send it to the end like when when would the expected to have this run but

Scott Benner 4:13
your daughter should be able to listen to it at her wedding? I think for sure. So and I've tried a couple of things to pare it back like I've stopped like I'm not gonna take any more like you know recording for a while and then I just the emails keep coming. I want to talk about this. Oh my god that's a great idea. We should we should talk about I'm gonna have to start putting out episodes twice a day. Yeah, to keep up with but anyway, I appreciate you keeping the appointment even though you were half not sure what it was about anymore. Anyway,

Ethan 4:46
I just remember seeing it and it was a responded to you. It was a schedule. And yeah, you know, a year later here we are at the state was a fast year.

Scott Benner 4:58
It helps you realize that life moves by too quickly. Yeah, exactly. Alright, so your daughter is diagnosed at 11 years old. 2020 NDK. Now, my question is, did you see it coming? Or did it completely surprise you?

Ethan 5:12
It's a great question. Actually, around this time 2020 She started to, to drop some weight. And but you know, it's one of those things that we, you know, her mom and I kind of chalked it up as she's going through a growing spurt, type thing, you know, and, but keeping an eye on it. And what what happened was the night before she actually went into GK, or about a week or so, but definitely the night before, I started noticing that she was drinking a lot of water. And the afternoon before she went in, this was this was a Monday evening. We went to go grab something to eat. And as we're waiting for food, I had ran over to the to the grocery store next door, and she asked me, she's like, what's going on? Like, you know, I just stocked up on water, you're drinking like a fish, you know? And she got home he ate she actually ate more than she ate me, which, you know, sometimes that can be easily done, but not really. And I was like, wow, you know, and I but again, I grew up watching her, like, dropped this way again, thinking because she didn't have like this, this crazy growth spurt in there too, as well. And then, that night, when she was going to bed, I had actually told my mother, I had said, you know, I think she's diabetic. She's like, when I go, she's drinking that this water. I'm just like, there's just something that's not, I'm kind of getting a strange sense that I think I think she needs to be checked. And then that next morning, I was actually I work from home and I was I was working in, and I wouldn't check on her. Because she was she was just starting off because this was COVID Still, there's still during a pandemic. So she was homeschool. So she wouldn't get on live for another few hours, like at least know that three hours by time I was up. So so there was some gap. And luckily, you know, grandma was available and had went to go, she was actually leaving for work. But something held her around that day, that morning and went in her room and had seen that she actually had gotten sick and then that's where I was just like I just kicked into, I have to take her in, you know, not you know to chalking it up with a stomach bug or anything like that. I'm like she has to go in. So at that point, when she got to the ER which was during the pandemic was kind of difficult to get her in as well because it was like you know, is it COVID Like that this is I would COVID was so far away from my mind at that point. I was and I don't have any experience with diabetes but it was just that instinct there.

Scott Benner 8:04
What made you think diabetes though the day or two before

Ethan 8:08
don't her water intake

Scott Benner 8:09
but that that told you something so you knew a little bit about it?

Ethan 8:13
That's pretty much yeah, that's kind of all like exposure wise, but the water intake I thought was was our water intake had like triple like it was the she drinks water we know but not the way how she was okay,

Scott Benner 8:29
all right, so Okay, great. So you snap into action you take her to the hospital I imagine and and COVID makes it a little weird but you get in what are the what do you learn about our blood sugar after she's admitted

Ethan 8:41
after she was admitted because we had to kind of keep swapping in and out I wasn't in there when her her first diagnosis of her blood sugar's I can't remember exactly the range and it's remember getting a sheet because she was actually the she had to get transferred to a children's hospital. And which was about an hour away. So we were waiting for transport and that's where I got the kids. They're only leaving one parent at a time. I don't want my came out and said she's Yeah, they they. They diagnosed her as being a diabetic.

Scott Benner 9:11
Are you guys together? No. One co parent. Okay. So she was with you? When when when you figured it out? Do you have like time later to go back? Like because of the co parenting situation? Was your ex thinking? Um, if she was your ex I'm sorry. Was she was she thinking the same thing? Did she notice stuff going on? Were you communicating it? What was that process like prior to being at the hospital? We

Ethan 9:39
both knew there was the the weight loss and the eating more. I had not yet voiced my concern. Like I said it was at night the night before it's we're like it triggered and we have to get around so I hadn't even made that call yet. This was like, while I was really just thinking this lesson 12 HOURS. Here we go, I think. Yeah, yeah. But leading up to that, you know, she had like she's, you know, like I said earlier, we were kind of chalking it up as to like, she's going through, you know, her gross for being a kid. Yeah.

Scott Benner 10:12
You just think she's stretching out right. Yeah. Losing losing weight because she's getting taller. Yeah, I think that's what everybody thinks. So, okay, so she was in DKA. So did they keep her for a number of days?

Ethan 10:23
Yes, she was in. Pick you for four days.

Scott Benner 10:29
That seems about right. Now, when she comes home, she go to her mom's she goes to you.

Ethan 10:36
When she got discharged, she came. We have a 5050 split. When she got discharged, she came home to me for for the for that for our scheduled visit visitation.

Scott Benner 10:44
That's what I was gonna say like, did it happen to fall on your day? Is that how it worked out?

Ethan 10:48
Yeah. If you happen to her discharge happened to fall during my time? Yes. So

Scott Benner 10:52
then how do you guys learn about this? You learn about it. I don't know what your relationships like I guess. But are you in the same room learning about this? Are you gathering information and sharing it back and forth with each other? How

Ethan 11:05
does that we were actually in we were both there spending the night? I think there's only one night to where we actually were not in there together. But we're both learning it they had us both on the same schedule. No. Crash Course of the same Yeah,

Scott Benner 11:20
that's good. It really is. Because I think when the the information gets disseminated to one person, I don't know. It's tough, right? Like you don't know what, you don't always know what to share. And, you know, there's a lot of questions. And if you're not the same house, when the questions arise, it might be difficult. So, it

Ethan 11:35
we still do that to this day through, you know, like I said, three years into this, if there's any questions or any like, you know, because this is this is that thing, this is that, unfortunately, the thing with diabetes, it's every day every second. So there is the, you know, the reassurance that we do co parenting that we give each other about, you know, you don't can't feel bad if, or don't be too hard on yourself, if she has a pattern to where she is kind of high or she's low. It just, it is kind of winging it, we do have a good exchange communication of okay, this is her what her pattern was for, like the last five days that she was over there, or here. This is what I'm experiencing. Either she's resistant or She's sensitive, just kind of watch out type thing. Yeah. And then you know, it's that first night, like for last night because that was her first night home for five days. And you kind of have to get used to what's been going on for the for the first couple days. But again, it's nothing that static because it's it's

Scott Benner 12:37
changes constantly. It

Ethan 12:38
really exactly right. I mean

Scott Benner 12:41
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Ethan 15:17
It doesn't matter what she's eating or whatever it just, it's just, you just kind of had to adapt to it. You know, just it was it

Scott Benner 15:25
was your co parenting situation harmonious before the diagnosis?

Ethan 15:31
We were getting there. Yes, yeah.

Scott Benner 15:32
Okay. Has it gotten? I don't care how it was. My question is, does it has it gotten better? Or worse than the diagnosis?

Ethan 15:39
It's gotten better, actually. Because I think we had to kind of put everything aside and realize, you

Scott Benner 15:44
know, that's our team. Good for you. Is seriously and to your, you know, to your I don't know what to call our former partner.

Ethan 15:53
Sheila, she listened. So I'm pretty sure I'll tell him when this one comes out. Yeah, she's actually the one who told me about you. Smosh.

Scott Benner 15:59
That's great. Well, I just I'm really impressed with how you're handling it. Is this what I wanted to say? But I wasn't sure if you were married or not. So I don't know if I'm saying x or if I'm say, anyway, doesn't matter to me. But I think it's been handled really well. It's impressive that you move forward so well. And that you've that you've not just kept it harmonious, but made it better for your daughter. It's really wonderful. Do you guys have other kids together? No. Okay, so this is the one now do we have we figured out? Are there autoimmune issues on anybody's family sides?

Ethan 16:31
Um, not? On my it's more thinking on hers, but it's not. I think it's a second would be my daughter's second cousin. So I don't think who's was also type one. Okay. But I think that from based on if I remember correctly from a doctor is like, that's not a an actual connection. Because

Scott Benner 16:50
the doctor can say whatever he wants, it seems like I can actually

Ethan 16:54
sound something like if it was not on the maternal side, I can't remember. But it was like, maybe there's two different too far of a distance between the second because yeah, it would be your second cousin.

Scott Benner 17:05
Does your daughter have any other autoimmune issues?

Ethan 17:07
Not that I'm aware of right now? No.

Scott Benner 17:09
Are you looking for something to knock on effect? You're like, Wait

Ethan 17:12
a minute. Yeah, exactly. Yeah.

Scott Benner 17:15
No, why? Okay, that's terrific. So what was her management? Like out of the hospital? I'm assuming like MDI, would they give her pins or needles?

Ethan 17:27
That's a good question. We actually, were I kind of talked about this all the time about how good of a program that we see, you know, some people on Facebook or other groups that are who are trying to adjust and adapt so they can kind of say, how I kind of chalk it up as they tell us old school to where it was John. It was pins. Yeah, she was on pins. And then she didn't get her her CGM, or go to go to the pod until like six months, six plus months after.

Scott Benner 18:03
Okay, six months was the CGM first. The CGM was ferocious. Okay. And then she got a pump soon after.

Ethan 18:11
Clearly close. Yeah, they're probably pretty close on top of each other. Yeah.

Scott Benner 18:16
What leads you to get those devices? Is that your doctor saying you should do this? Or is it you checking out? You know what other people are doing?

Ethan 18:25
It was more of a research and just trying to be really kind of being really realistic of having Hey, this there is this tool, you have to understand that this technology is not going to always be 100%. But it does give you some peace of mind, especially with her going back to school. And being away. How are we going to have visibility on and helping her helping her assist remotely? Yeah, and that was that was a decision to go with the pod and CGM.

Scott Benner 18:53
It's a great idea, honestly. Okay, so she's going into high school now. You said she's playing sports? How is she making out during activity? Yeah,

Ethan 19:01
she was she was playing volleyball. About a year or so or two before? Maybe two before she like before diagnosis. And she, you know, she hasn't let it stopped or stop or at all? Yeah, she, I mean, this kid is, is constantly working out trying to improve her game. She just stayed, doesn't she? It's hard to get her off the court. But managing it she does really good. There is a like I said that's the other thing was having the ability to see with the CGM and her with her her pump to see what's going on. But knowing, okay, you're going to go from, you know, one clinic or from 290 minute to two hour practice, to another practice. And I mean when I say that when I say another word, sometimes there's probably 90 minutes maybe in between. Yeah, so it's like trying to kind of carve But begin where are you at? And, you know, I get it too. I was actually you know what you were, you're not real pilot 100, you know, but you kind of you have to kind of refuel that. So that's still a learning curve, but it's gotten better, you know. But then also during games and stuff, even though with the technology, sometimes she loses connectivity in because she plays a club ball. And with all the Bluetooth interference, it's not pleasant sometimes because you just have to really kind of go off of her feelings or how she's looking. Because you won't see the you won't stay connected all the time. What pump is she using? She's using the

Scott Benner 20:41
Omnipod dash dash, okay, no algorithm. No, no. Okay. So, alright, so you're using the connection just to see what her blood sugar is? And do you find that volleyball is like an adrenaline thing? Is her blood sugar tried to get high? Or does the activity bring it down?

Ethan 20:59
That's a great question. The beginning was like when I said in the beginning, like, I would say the first six, seven months after like, when she had her first season. It was anything was was bringing her blood sugar's out. I mean, just like, Okay, you're going high. Let's go for a walk. You know, it was just to go for a brisk walk for 10 or 15 minutes it was bringing her down. And I would say now for like the last two years, it's been the complete opposite with what I think when she hit her. When her hormones her teenage hormones started coming in and everything playing a factor. It actually became more of a resistance. She doesn't go down as easily when she's in, in very heavy sports.

Scott Benner 21:46
Okay, yeah, no, I was gonna say she's right at the age where I was assuming that that was happening. So you're gonna see it, it changes pretty significantly. Yeah,

Ethan 21:56
she's not dropping like she she you know, coming out. It's not, you know, that's not the the out anymore, you know of, okay, you're kind of high. Let's go ahead and do something and get you moving. Or no, the only time that that seems to work with activity is really kind of like throwing her in a pool.

Scott Benner 22:11
Swimming. That's it. Yeah. Makes her job. Yeah, that's me. That's a lot of anaerobic activity. The dash is

Ethan 22:20
really just kind of just sitting in there. Oh, really?

Scott Benner 22:22
Oh, she's just chilling out and relaxing. Yeah, just

Ethan 22:25
chilling out and relaxing. She can start to drop. That's interesting.

Scott Benner 22:29
Okay, so let's see. How do you set your your Can I quit? What should I call your ex? You're sure you're like, what?

Ethan 22:41
How to deal with it later, right?

Scott Benner 22:44
There's nothing to do I just want to use the right phrasing. I don't know the lady the like the person. I don't know. How did her mom find the podcast? Did she tell you about

Ethan 22:54
Facebook? I honestly think he just on social media, possibly Facebook. And

Scott Benner 22:59
I'm assuming it was valuable enough to her that then she told you about it. Correct? Yeah. Do you listen?

Ethan 23:05
I've listened to a few. I'm not an avid listener, but I have listened to a few of them. Don't ask me which ones right now. Because I have to be able to tell you

Scott Benner 23:14
they were they more management based or conversational? They were more conversational if I remember correctly. Interesting. Okay. Is her mom doing stuff with her management that she got from the podcast? And then you kind of go along with it and it's working. So you're like, that's fine.

Ethan 23:32
I know it was I believe there was one podcast where it was the how was it a bit about like, not being afraid of of Ebola seen you know not being afraid of insulin?

Scott Benner 23:47
Was that is that something you were struggling with?

Ethan 23:51
The lifestyle i mean i There are some times to where I can be a little hesitant on giving her and that's one thing to that's good about the that I personally like about the the Omni is it's you know I can just increase her when she needs to be increased or you know I'm we're not afraid to change set any of her Yeah, any of the settings her Basal she knew her Basal needs to be increased or you okay, you're going higher or even suspending or I mean, that's one thing you know, especially with her being active, depends on what range she is. Maybe she needs to be suspended for for duration or okay. Yeah, she suspended that case. She's going back up. Okay, let's turn it back on. So yeah, there's that definitely that flexibility

Scott Benner 24:32
is incumbent upon me Ethan to tell you that if you want to suspend Basal insulin, you should do a Temp Basal decrease of 100%. Because if you suspend insulin, it won't come back on. So you don't want to put yourself in a situation where you turn off basil forget to turn it back on. So you can do a Temp Basal and then set it for an amount of time and then at the end of the time it pops back.

Ethan 24:55
Absolutely correct. And that's actually what we kind of just use that jargon is suspended In short, it is it is a set Temp Basal that we're actually doing.

Scott Benner 25:05
I'm just, you know, cuz we're making a podcast and everything, covering the bases. Yeah. Don't suspend your Basal people like, cuz it won't come back on, you have to do tasks, right? Yeah. All right. So you like the flexibility of the insulin pump? Would you call yourself? If I had to say one of you? Was the main caregiver of diabetes? Would it be you or her mom?

Ethan 25:25
I think we're actually pretty equal. Okay.

Scott Benner 25:29
You think you get you guys do you have basically the same style of management, there

Ethan 25:35
is some difference to where, like, I think there's, there's, there's a slight difference on how we address winds went to over I wouldn't say over Bolus, but to give me an extra Bolus or give me extra insulin. Like I said, I more to be a little timid, of, and concern with the lows. Not in saying that she's not but a little bit more of a, I would say a little more aggressive than I am when it comes to that. So there's that slight difference there. But like I said, either, but we are completely equal when it comes to making the judgments that our daughter needs at that time.

Scott Benner 26:15
I have to tell you, this is very interesting. Because I've I've recorded with people who are, you know, separated divorced, whatever, co parent kids, and you listening to you talk, you're, you're it feels like you're like walking through like a field of landmines. And there are women who come on, and I'm like, so you know, does your axe and they're like, no, he's an idiot. And I'm like, Okay. I know I'm generalizing. But it just feels like, more often the ladies are willing to be like, you know, direct and guys are always like, no, she's lovely. Everything's fine. Like, I'm not trying to say she would let a low blood sugar. I certainly didn't mean that's when you made me laugh with the like, no, no, she doesn't do that. Like you corrected yourself. But I understood what you meant, like nobody's letting your kid be low. But but your your, your ex is more aggressive. And you're more timid about it. Now, is that a personality thing? Or is that something that you've had an experience with? With insulin? It's made you feel that way?

Ethan 27:16
Well, that's a good question, because I've experienced her getting sick twice. afterwards. And what Well, there was one that was really bad to where she came home from school. She had this like, grayish look on her when I picked her up from school and she said she was feeling fine, but I can again, just when those instinct things like something was kind of off and later that that evening, the he had an exorcism, Exorcist, sewed the delivery like, and so yeah, I mean projectile. But no, she's not gonna be having saying that. But she did. And it was having to bring her back up. Yeah, because she was low and okay. And she's not wanting to eat. So I'm on with her Endo. Like, and right before she did that I was I taught her and because I'm like, How do I deal with because she's not like, I know, I had to bring her up. And I did check for ketones and she had moderate ketones at the time. And I'm like, Okay, I ketones me and she needs insulin. She doesn't want to eat how do I get carbs in her? You know, she's not wanting any juice. She's just been and I get it? She was filming? Well, yeah. So her endo had told me all you guys gotta gotta keep bringing it up. And I'm actually I was I was on the phone with her. Grandma came out and said she's getting because I was I think the inner light said, If she starts to vomit, and call her back and just watch it because that can be me hurt. Her ketones gotten large. And as I was hanging up, that's where I got the she's getting sick. And and that was one that was really when I say she was low. She was in like the 50s If I remember and trying to bring that up, and then knowing I have to give her insulin.

Scott Benner 29:01
So she was sick. She was like what we call real people sick. It wasn't like the she had an illness of some sort. And then she, by the way, when you said we had an exorcism, I was like, how are these people like doing exorcisms in their house? Like what do I have to ask about next? And then you were like exorcist and I was like, oh, okay, I know what he's talking about. It's all about bombing. So, but But are you guys, but you had this experience? And it was scary enough to that it's stuck. Yeah. Yeah. But she's not sick all the time. So what stops you from being more aggressive on days when illness isn't an issue?

Ethan 29:37
Because of the unknown of how fast you can possibly drop? Is

Scott Benner 29:41
that happened frequently? Or was it just overtime?

Ethan 29:44
It's just me. That's a personality thing.

Scott Benner 29:48
That I'm gonna have to leave you to what are we doing here? I'm just kidding.

Ethan 29:53
That's just me and I you know, that's one of those things like I last night, I mean, I think it is You might sleep last night because she was she had what I would call a stubborn eye and not you know, being aggressive with giving him I mean, I was increasing her. So you know, as increased nursing, that's how she was going to react and she started going down, and then all of a sudden, it's like, okay, we're heading, you know, her trajectory is going in the correct right direction. And then all of a sudden, it's like, Nah, ha, ha, playing with you. I'm going back the other way.

Scott Benner 30:26
Yeah, how many episodes or something did you get through last night? Exactly.

Ethan 30:29
Say it again.

Scott Benner 30:30
How many episodes of your new show did you get through last night? What? While you were sitting up fighting with the blood sugar? Were you watching? Are you watching something? Exactly?

Ethan 30:39
No, I was actually I was just on social media. I was yeah, it was just kind of just scrolling through social.

Scott Benner 30:45
Well, so. So you're doing that thing. You're you're kind of just nickel and diming that the high blood sugar because you don't want to cause a lobe and then you get a little movement. But then whatever is forcing the blood sugar up is still there. So you haven't overwhelmed it yet? It's coming back up. It's probably dinner. Right? Was there a fat or protein and dinner? Here

Ethan 31:05
was protein and dinner for sure. And that's what I was thinking to him. Okay, this is dinner and but she also has kind of its tendency to wear around a certain timeframe. Between like three and six to her, she'll show just kind of drop, you know, her blood sugar's were start to go down. And you know, this is one kind of anticipating that happening. But then I'm going okay, why don't I just give her more instead of constantly increasing? Yeah. What's happened to questions in this going? Yeah, so I tend to do more of the sets, increasing or just adjusting her or basil increasing instead of just going okay. What is it actually wanting me to give her? You know, it's wanting to be the giver? You know, it's saying he wants to units, do I do that? Do I cut sometimes I kind of cut it in half. Because sometimes it's because, again, when I'm getting that is, it is a tool. It's a great tool, but it doesn't know exactly what, what was ingested. Yeah, right. High protein was more sugars, what kind of carbs was, so it doesn't obviously know that. So that's where I feel like you have to come in with that factor of, okay, this is what she actually had. And it's like that, it's it's kind of help, you're helping me, it's your tool helping you but then you have to help it too. Yeah,

Scott Benner 32:21
you have to you have to be the one to understand the impact of the food. You know, because if dinner had, you know, protein that got digested late and push blood sugar back up, if it had fat in it, that slowed down digestion kept the food in your stomach longer, like that's that, like if she's getting lower every night at 3am? Is it possible that like, is she having a snack before bed? Or something that's sitting in her? Or do you think that you're maybe seeing growth hormone early in the evening that you're being more aggressive with? And then she's getting lower later? Have you figured out what it might be?

Ethan 32:53
Not, there's nothing to really kind of figure that out, like, Okay, this is your certain pattern, what you're exhibiting because it can also depend on what she did that day, or his activities, you know, due to conditioning, and how many practices does she go to she Less is more, because that also takes plays into it too. Because sometimes it's like, as soon as she lays down, it's like, she's settling. So she's starting to drop, you know, yeah. And I kind of we got discharged or we was getting trained, there was that rule of thumb of kind of, you know, putting, making sure her blood sugar's are like 120 Plus, and I actually have a colleague of mine who's I think she says, She's type 1.5. Like, goes by that rule of thumb to have, you know, going going to sleep it at 120 Plus,

Scott Benner 33:46
and they're drifting down every night. wordstat Again, does the blood sugar drift down every night? Or does it stay in the 120? Sometimes?

Ethan 33:55
It will, it can fluctuate. It does it really? Honestly, it does. She's active all night. I mean, there's a good pattern to where she'll stay like 100 between maybe like 80 and 100. But then there's the patterns to where she'll stay between 100 and like, 140. Okay.

Scott Benner 34:15
Yes, so sometimes leaving are high is necessary, and sometimes it's not. Yeah, it

Ethan 34:22
sounds like a lot like I'll leave around 140 Or maybe even like, 160 depends on the time. I always have to look at the time like, Okay, is it it's 1030 She's 160 Do I just give her a little bit of a thumping freeze? And let's see what happens like around 1:32am. Okay, it's time for him to adjust again. Yeah, I

Scott Benner 34:40
guess all the activity is really the linchpin. They're trying to figure out where it's when it's happening. Doesn't happen constantly. There's a lot of activity doesn't mean there's activity every day. The activity on top of different meals probably looks different later, too. So yeah, boy, it's a lot. I commend you for paying it. added to it. And it's, I mean, it's hard to find patterns and stuff like that is what I was gonna say. So like, you have to just kind of pay attention. So you see, like, there's, I don't know, hints that happened along the way, like you said, like, at this certain time, if what's happening at 10pm Looks like this, then I might leave the number one place or the other. You know, what else I'm thinking? Is that it really feels like I mean, it feels like an algorithm could help her. Because if you don't have to, you know, like you're leaving it at 120 in case she falls, but if an algorithm sees her falling, it's going to take the insulin away anyway. So you might be, maybe that is the situation where that would be really helpful. Have you ever thought about it?

Ethan 35:48
I mean, I could actually be completely wrong. She her I think there is a certain period. Yeah, she is there. There are I was completely incorrect. There are certain periods in her program to where it will do the adjustment,

Scott Benner 36:05
as well. Well, so is she using all the power five already? Yes, she

Ethan 36:09
is on the phone. Oh,

Scott Benner 36:10
I thought you said that. Well, you did say dash but it's she's on Fox.

Ethan 36:14
I'm sorry. She's on she's on the dash. But there is so that's wrong. Excuse me, for me, me and Pete novice here. But um, yeah. There's certain years. There are certain periods throughout the day when her program to where it will give her we'll make that adjustment for

Scott Benner 36:31
All right, hold on, we got to pick through this evening because something don't make sense. So I'm the pod dash does not have an algorithm, it won't shut off basil automatically turn it on, on the pod five gives insulin takes insulin away as it's trying to keep you in a range. And Omnipod. Five would be trying to think of how you could differentiate the two?

Ethan 36:55
Well, it doesn't shut off. But I know there's there's a certain point to where it will give her an increase if it needs to. When I programmed it.

Scott Benner 37:05
It'll give her an increase.

Ethan 37:07
I mean, let me see. We're I think you're

Scott Benner 37:09
just not using the words that I'm expecting to hear. But I'm just there's some like, do you mean you've done like a Temp Basal increase?

Ethan 37:17
No, hold on a second. So okay, yeah, we're probably just not using the same.

So she has it was, oh, I'm seeing this. It's a target. Target. Target BG and correct. Above. So if she is 19. Above it says it will correct. And that's turned on. It's called her Bolus Catholic. Calculator.

Scott Benner 37:39
Okay, oh, I see. You're just using, like different language than I expected, I'm sorry. So in her settings on her dash, there's a, the Bolus calculator either gives you insulin or doesn't give you insulin based on the target you have set. So for instance, if your target is 110, but you're 90, and you open it up, it's not going to say give us give yourself more insulin. If you're 120, it might ask for more insulin, depending on how much insulin is on board. But that's not an algorithm what I was talking about, like, yeah, on the pod five, would actually it would make boluses and take basil away and add basil and stuff like that on its own. Like literally like aggressively it would it would give and take away insulin to try to keep her in a range. There's an analyst there's episodes about it, you should check them out and see what you think. But that might help like an actual algorithm making a decision about insulin completely on its own. The way I thought about it for her was instead of putting her to bed at 120 because you think she's going to drift down. You don't worry about that. And the algorithm will just take away her her insulin to try to keep her at a stable number. So I don't know it's it's worth looking into. Okay,

Ethan 39:04
well, thanks for that. Yeah, yeah, I mean, I LD we have a scoped for anytime soon to move over to the five so I haven't done I'll be honest, I haven't done my due diligence on on that actual product. Yeah,

Scott Benner 39:18
yeah, I wouldn't look into anything I wasn't thinking of getting I was just saying I like as you're describing the overnights I thought we algorithms are maybe the best overnight, because there's no extra food, right? You're not eating and they do they do a really good job. sleeping overnight aren't used as she's using loop three right now. But her overnight is like last night was so incredibly stable. Like it's hard to put into words how stable it was. It's pretty awesome, actually. Yeah, take a look when you get a chance save, you know, I'm not saying run out and do it or anything like that, or they even have to but it's worth understanding. For sure. Absolutely. How, no, of course how was your conversation? is with your daughter about diabetes they how do you think she thinks about it? And what is it as a parent you're considering when you're talking to her?

Ethan 40:08
Yeah, it was definitely the beginning the adjustment. She's, he is. He's my inspiration to be honest with you. I mean, I could imagine this happening to me at her age and having to deal with it and going to school, but try to keep an open dialogue. There's definitely good days and bad days or good weeks and bad weeks. She's coming along great with with an understanding the management She surprises me sometimes like she's like, Okay, this was on Bolus and myself. I'm like, dang, you, you landed? Great. You mean? All right. You know, like, okay, you know, and then there's the occasional questions like, Okay, this is only half what do you think I should do? And, you know, we figure it out. But she is, she has she, like I said, she is my inspiration. I tell her.

Scott Benner 41:05
She mind that our friends know.

Ethan 41:08
Her friends, she has a good supporting cast of friends. There is the occasional dismissive Oh, she just wants to, to blend but I always tell you know, she's, she's special. But her she's, she had to get used to that, you know, and realize that she has to let those in her circle, understand, understand what's going on with her. Okay. And, you know, one of the things to explain it to her, I said, it's something very similar to someone who has a peanut allergy, you know, you're out with your friends, and you don't want to hand them a Snickers bar, you know, because they're gonna react to that, or someone who has any other type of reaction, you're going to want to know you're going to need to know your circle is going to eat and understand. Yeah, so yeah, I mean, her circle is, is a very supportive that she has, and that's I commend them too, for, you know, for her being as young as they are, and in supporting their friend out. Yeah.

Scott Benner 42:08
So while she wants to not think about it at times, she's not hiding it from anybody.

Ethan 42:14
Now. No, I mean, you finally gonna get any for this when she was just telling me. I think this was in seventh in seventh grade to where we're talking about the alerts. Oh, because I was I was writing a program, actually. And I had said, I see I see what your settings are. And what I mean by the settings is her phone alerting her. And she was just telling me yesterday that one point, or alert had went off, and she kind of charted up there as it was an Amber Alert. She liked the teacher think it was amber alert there for a second.

Scott Benner 42:47
So be beep oh, there's like, yeah, it was a kid in the Volkswagen. We're supposed to be looking for this. She just didn't want people to think that. Yeah, I mean, I get that, like, nobody wants to be singled out, like by anything.

Ethan 43:03
It's already kind of a challenge, you know, middle school, sorry, difficult as it can, is, you know, that, you know, let alone and then adding something else on top of it, and to where you're, you have these little sidewalk on my cyborg sometimes too, because, you know, gadgets owner, people seen seeing it and her having to adjust to that. So she's, we've got through that period, I think, to where she's more, she's more open about it now. And they especially like, say with her being, being in sports, she had to be very open about hey, this is what's gonna happen with me. Yeah, or, yeah, with her coaches and her teammates.

Scott Benner 43:45
I think it's a it's a process, obviously, but it's a delicate age. 1112 1314 year old girls, right. And she's, you know, finding her way through it. It sounds impressive, that she's figuring out how to manage it. That, you know, her friends know about it. That's terrific. Does she hide her devices? I mean, like, I don't mean like, what do I mean? I was No, I

Ethan 44:09
get what you're saying. In the beginning. It was there was some some don't want to bring attention to it. Let's just say it that way. But now she's she's, she's getting comfortable. She's gotten comfortable with it. She has golfer that's excellent. Yeah. And she there's more to get comfortable with but she's, you know, it's and like we were she was just a camp last week and another volleyball camp and there happened to be a another another player who is T one and you're able to see the device. So you know, we've seen that when we're as we're traveling around in her world and volleyball. There are some so it's like, yeah, see that their sport and it you know, yeah, rockin it's you. I

Scott Benner 44:50
saw a woman wearing it. I don't think this is FDA approved. But I saw a woman wearing her G six on her forearm, the top of her forearm yesterday and I I was like, wow, that's like, but it's right there. You know, I thought that was kind of cool it I asked her about it. I was like, Hey, do you wear the G six there? Often she wasn't she started telling me the other place. She wears it. She's like, Yeah, sometimes she's like, I get good readings here. I was like, no kidding. Cool.

Ethan 45:14
I seen one that posted a picture to where she had it like, on her between her shoulder blades, like right below her neck. Oh, yeah. Yeah, my dad does not look comfortable with. But works, right? Yeah, she says she got really good. She gets her best readings there. I always think I kind of she lay down and I get a compression.

Scott Benner 45:36
Hey, how tall is your daughter? Exactly? Are we going to make some college money off this volleyball thing or what?

Ethan 45:42
That's the goal, right? She is. She just wanted to doctors a few few days ago. She's five, eight and a half.

Scott Benner 45:48
Oh. Oh, how tall are you? Not at all. How about her mom? Not at all. Do you think five eight might be a good five eighths tall for a younger? Yeah,

Ethan 46:00
she's definitely in the in the setters range for sure. So yeah, she's been playing for FIFA. She's been playing travel. I think this is going into her third season. Now. She's been playing for a while she's double champion back to back champion in her middle school.

Scott Benner 46:17
Does she want to play call? Does she want to go to college? Yes,

Ethan 46:20
yeah, she we actually last Saturday. Yeah, or two weeks ago, she went to a program to meet with it was one day, but you meet with college recruits. So I kind of thought maybe it was going to be cuz she's only going into, she'll be entering high school here in like two weeks, actually, two weeks. Um, I thought maybe it was too soon. But we just went for it. And it was surprised. I was surprised with how many other players that are in her graduating class of 2027 that were there. Ready to go

Scott Benner 46:56
coast, my son started. I think he started talking to college coaches, maybe when he was 15, closer to 16. That, that that summer. And it felt like it was enough for them to like see you and say like, oh, you're athletic, or you definitely look like a baseball player or something like that. You should come back next year. And then when he was 16, that's when it was like, it was intense for a while. There's a lot of like, how do you do it in? In volleyball, though, like in, in baseball, you show up and play in? Like, you know, tournaments? Or recruits? Do they show up and play volleyball together? How do they do that?

Ethan 47:36
Yeah, for that one for that Pacific Pacific specific program. There were I think there's like eight different universities that showed up. And then they just broke them down into teams, based off of actually I really don't even know. I think it's kind of like at random. It didn't but but what you you're actually signing up on the preferred position, top two positions that you play, okay. And then And then each coach you're like spinning you're spending x amount of time with each university recruit recruiter there and they're teaching you based off your skill level on how they would actually teach their in their program. And then they get split up for the for the rest of the Pearson's like five hours to where they're actually playing that with that coach and then playing against the other others, the other universities in their teams, so

Scott Benner 48:30
their small team, you have to pay for this or is it very nice

Ethan 48:34
it is what's free run here? Or

Scott Benner 48:37
you're in California, right? Yeah, yeah. start charging for air. Exactly. Okay. Yeah. I mean, the things that cold did, generally speaking, were not free. But they were. Yeah, they were, they weren't overly expensive that I think it it felt like you were paying, like helping pay the coaches for their time, basically, is what it is what it felt like, I think it's kind of how they make some of those like assistant coaches make a little bit of their income that way, you know, some of them are not making a ton of money to coach in their colleges. So

Ethan 49:11
exactly. Some of them are in now. This is like their, their second or second job. Exactly. So but that's a lot of it with travel too, I believe. Yeah. having to pay for the for that expense. But yeah, this was not a free program. She actually enjoyed it. There was a lot, a lot of feedback. And then beans being told or they were told to her. If you're going into your freshman year, your first year. It's it is that summer, like you're just saying that 1516 tour. That's where the tapes are gonna start coming in and that sort of conversations are going to be like you can make you can reach out, but you're probably just going to get that. Thank you for reaching out. Oh, yeah. Because I don't think they can actually legally

Scott Benner 49:56
talk to you until you're certain age. Yeah. Listen, the best the best thing I can tell you is that if there's two things you can do, you have to be a real honest assessor of, of her and take a lot of video. Those are really the things you can do. So, I spent a lot of my time pointing a camera at my son until a baseball game to him then, and laying out a lot of dead stuff, and you know, in the video, but in the end, he was able to, I think he got as much interest through video that we made as he did through being in person. So like, you start sending them videos and saying, like, hey, look, I'm going to be at this thing this weekend. And I come say hello. And then they'll watch your video. And if they like it, they'll say, yeah, come find me. That's how it kind of worked there. It was baseball was little it was I mean, I don't know how different it is really, you're trying to get somebody to notice you in a sea full of people doing the same thing. So exactly. Yeah,

Ethan 50:55
that's there's different programs that I seem to where you can actually do a, you know what tournament, you're going to be in jail. You know, whoever you're reaching out to you just kind of like send them a note. I will be at this. And then they'll fill actually, if they're interesting, because they didn't explain this. They will find you on the court. They'll figure out what court are you can you say, Hey, I'd be at this tournament. I'll be on this court. This is what time this might position and they still feel that way.

Scott Benner 51:23
I mean, I they say that I would say that it's more your job to get yourself in front of them. Oh, absolutely. Yeah, it's it's because they can't be everywhere all at once. And they might I mean, listen, you could I remember a day where we're Cole made this like, incredible catch and centerfield. And he followed up with like, this insane throw, and nobody was there. And then the next day, people showed up and the ball like just never once came to him. And that was it. Like he just was standing out there. So taping them no, I had the video. So after the weekend was over you you sent out he sends an email to those guys this Hey, Coach, you know, I noticed you weren't at the game where you know, this happened, blah, blah, blah. But here's me doing this and this. And that kind of stuff really helped them by the time Cole was rolling, he had a good 15 or 18 colleges interested in him. Like once he really got it moving. But we did that a lot with video. Honestly, it was a lot of it was a lot of effort on our side. You know, because they all show up to see the same stuff. And you know, I I watched Cole playing a game once in Florida maybe where there were no lie 40 college coaches at the game, they played them. So they brought they brought our kids in basically to be sacrificial lambs against this like, like national team, like a baseball team made up of kids from all over the country. And the pitcher was in thrown in the 90s. And they were only like 16 or 17 years old. So there were like 40 coaches standing behind home plate with radar guns, trying to see how hard this kid to throw. Now he could not locate a fastball to save his life. But they did not care. They loved him. The he couldn't throw strikes, he was ineffective. Our team was beating them handily. And even though our team showed up and beat this collection of like studs, they didn't pay attention to one kid on our side, they paid attention to the kid who threw the ball really hard, even though he couldn't throw a strike. It's interesting what they get enamored with is what I'm saying. So you need to bring you need to remind them sometimes you also need a person to do this, not just the guy who's there was 90 miles an hour. And yeah, that sort of thing. I don't know if she really wants to do it. And she's a good student. I guarantee she's a student. Yeah. Good.

Ethan 53:53
She gets that from an excellent student. Well,

Scott Benner 53:56
that's a big deal. I mean, and we did save a lot of money off of college. I only want to say how much but it was a lot. So you know, it can help if you if you get the right situation. Yeah,

Ethan 54:11
that's definitely her. Her goal is to play college ball. They were talking about, you know, scholarships, and you know, what's the possibility? And obviously, it all depends on if it changes from you know, your D one private to D one public in Chem three. So that's it's all you know, it's that fluctuates, right? But yeah, but that's absolutely her goal. And I always told her when she started that I will support her. However, whatever that means that they you know, she's this is what she wants. I I mean, I was actually I played I played basketball when I was in high school and stuff, but I only play Dooku once a year. And what reason why I end up playing Dooku I know we're kind of going off topic here. I played I played yuku is I didn't have that tape. When I was actually talking to a university, and had asked me, Hey, can you send me over tape? I'm like, What's that? Yeah, how

Scott Benner 55:11
am I doing that?

Ethan 55:13
And, you know, he's like the coach parents like, that didn't happen. So I got actually got invited for a one day. It was like a one day showcase play. And I remember when I came out during the during the game, I got asked if I was actually the MVP of my team. And I'm like, No, actually, I said, you know, but what I'm getting out with the tape, is that something that stood with me, because I realized that that I only had this one shot and I that was the best that best I've ever played. Don't even know where it came from, to tell you the truth. Like I was channeling something else. But the tape when I had heard the No, I don't have this. Yeah, like you that hesitation on the other end of the phone. So yeah, when uh, when recently my daughter started really talking about this. I'm like, I will make sure that you are tape.

Scott Benner 56:11
Sure. Yeah. Good. Good for you. It's, it's nice. And actually, now that Microsoft is out of college and doesn't play baseball anymore. Like still once in a while, like in my, you know, in my pictures, I'll pop up and see him like in a photo standing on a field or playing or something like that. The other day, I watched him hit his like, last college home run in a video. Like stuff like that. It's nice, you know? So you guys have a good time. Plus, I'll tell you a ton of good time spent in the car. Like the driving to and from games and stuff like that is? I remember very fondly. So

Ethan 56:50
yeah, there's been we've we've done a lot of travel. I mean, we went to Salt Lake City, this this last season up to Washington. So you know, it's the travel, as expensive as it can be. It definitely has the memory.

Scott Benner 57:05
Memory, trying to think about what the hotel room costs, just trying to remember the lovely conversation. Yeah, the car.

Ethan 57:11
Oh, my God, and it's rather you're doing good or bad. You're like going?

Scott Benner 57:16
Oh, yeah, yeah, there's nothing like flying somewhere to lose. That's fun.

Ethan 57:22
Yeah, we're gonna see a couple of those so far. It's like, Oh, man. But

Scott Benner 57:26
But that's why also, when you're collecting video, you can still play well, in a situation where the team does not do well. And you still might have something to share at that point. So absolutely

Ethan 57:38
not, there's definitely that then there's also the character building, even though she's not gonna like it when I say that. But to overcome that adversity, you know, that versity that you're going up against to kind of keep thriving and pushing each other. That's that goes a long, long way, in my opinion. Oh, yeah. Because of what is being, you know, there's no give it up. You're fighting as long as you guys are fighting together, you know, and trying to bring them to morale up as a team, that there is to me, that's the big takeaway. Oh, for

Scott Benner 58:06
sure. Yeah. Oh, Ethan. Most of these, like, most of those girls aren't gonna end up playing volleyball in the Olympics. You know what I mean? So, exactly, you're gonna

Ethan 58:15
see something that's definitely going to carry over into that work into your

Scott Benner 58:19
real life? Oh, for sure. Like, I think the more the most successful kids I know, now, in their early 20s, were the kids who lost at baseball, more like the kids that were super successful. Like, I don't know what they took from it, they won baseball games, but they didn't have a ton of life lessons at all. And you also get in the real world, like, I don't know how valuable it is to be like, I can hit a baseball, like good for you, that doesn't help me at your job. You know, like, maybe the I work out hard, or I'm consistent. Like that stuff's all valuable. But I mean, the losings far more valuable than the one, I think,

Ethan 58:55
absolutely. And totally agree. You know, it's just like, how do you overcome this, you have to figure out how to overcome this together. Because something can happen at work, or something can happen in your personal life and you know, in her family, and you have to figure out how to communicate and overcome it. And it's challenging, you might not be in that headspace because you're upset, you're frustrated, you're playing bad, your teammates playing bad, but how do you support and so I keep instilling like, how you have to figure out how to support that.

Scott Benner 59:21
Yeah, we're gonna do this again, tomorrow. This went terribly. And we're gonna get up tomorrow and do it again.

Ethan 59:26
I always say short term amnesia. Short term amnesia. Just keep going out there. Yeah, just keep going and get the next one. Get the next one.

Scott Benner 59:32
Perfect life lesson. Honestly, it's the way you have to take care of diabetes too. You can't you can't have a bad now Ethan now I finally have brought this all the way around to you being scared from the one time your kid was sick. Don't you have to forget that and move on? Yes,

Ethan 59:48
yeah, I see what you did there.

Scott Benner 59:52
Took me a while even but I did get to it. Honestly, I thought I was gonna get it done 10 minutes ago and then we we went off track a little bit but Yeah, but seriously that, you know, sports life, diabetes, it's all it's all the same really, just, you know, you gotta get back at it. So I don't know, I don't want you to leave in your kids budget or 161 20 overnight if it doesn't need to be. Because you're

Ethan 1:00:16
absolutely like I said, I'm I'm always adjusting that and seeing what she's gonna do. I don't want her be in a pair to know she feels she's feeling bad either. But, you know, and but, ya know, I do have to figure out how to, I mean, for one that one thing is she is, she's kind of like, in the middle of me and her mom, like, she'll be more. Okay, this is what I'm gonna, I'm gonna do, I'm gonna go ahead and be a little Orbitz which is good for her. Because at the end of the day, and a few years when she guys go off to college, we'll still be watching from afar, because who knows where she'll be at? Yeah. And it's going to be completely on her so that it's more, even though I might be hesitant and reserved. At least she's not,

Scott Benner 1:00:57
well, you'll grow with it, too. I mean, you're not going to be the person you are right now for for the whole time. I also think for you for your sadly in your sleep. If you could make one more slightly aggressive Bolus at night, instead of like little ones, little ones, little ones and sitting up for hours, that'd be better for you, which would be better for her. You know, like, you could actually, like knock a number down and get some sleep. Yes, yeah, I don't want you to sit up all night meant that the no sleep thing. I'll tell you from my experience, the no sleep thing in the beginning. I was like, Oh, I can do this. Like, this is what needs to be done. And I can do it. But I'm just going to tell you that after a while it's untenable, and you just can't keep it going anymore. And now you're just gonna not know how to handle the high blood sugar overnight, and you're gonna pass out and be asleep. A lack of sleep has such a horrible impact on a person. And it's very incremental the way it comes over you so you don't notice it happening. Just one day you're exhausted. And yeah, that's your new normal. And that sucks. So anyway, I don't want that for you.

Ethan 1:02:03
Appreciate ya.

Scott Benner 1:02:04
Ethan. You were terrific, man. Is there anything we haven't talked about that we should have?

Ethan 1:02:09
Now, this is actually great. I mean, this is actually my first podcast doing this so that you're terrific. Thank you for the experience. Of course. No, it's

Scott Benner 1:02:17
my pleasure. I appreciate you wanting to do it. I appreciate your ex making you do it. Why did she want you to do it?

Ethan 1:02:22
No, actually, I just I just recently told her about it because it popped up saying hey, yeah, I'm doing this podcast, by the way. Oh, she

Scott Benner 1:02:29
didn't know you reached out. Yeah,

Ethan 1:02:31
I reached out. I had seen her on Facebook. Nice. Good for

Scott Benner 1:02:33
you. You enjoyed it. You enjoy doing this? Yeah, absolutely. How come your headset sounds so good. You're like gamer headset?

Ethan 1:02:41
No, actually, from for I just conducted my first interview as a podcast host last week, so I do what I do for I'm into technical marketing. Okay, so yeah, I create content videos and stuff like that. So that's why Oh, no

Scott Benner 1:02:57
kidding. Good for you. That's actually what you sound terrific. So you're off to a good start there. Thank you. I appreciate it. Hold on one second for me. Okay.

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