#1092 Black Diamond

Dave is a newly diagnosed type 1 and a new father.

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Scott Benner 0:00
Hello friends, and welcome to episode 1092 of the Juicebox Podcast.

Dave is an adult who was recently diagnosed with type one diabetes he believes after having Coxsackie virus, the way he was diagnosed is incredibly interesting. Of course he was then misdiagnosed as a type two, and the story unfolds. Nothing you hear on the Juicebox Podcast should be considered advice, medical or otherwise, always consult a physician before making any changes to your health care plan. Don't forget to save 40% off of your entire order at cozy earth.com. All you have to do is use the offer code juice box at checkout. That's juice box at checkout to save 40% at cozy earth.com. When you place your first order for ag one with my link, you'll get five free travel packs and a free year supply of vitamin D. Drink ag one.com/juicebox If you're not already subscribed or following in your favorite audio app, please take the time now to do that. It really helps the show

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Dave 1:44
My name is Dave. I'm 34 years old and I was diagnosed type one diabetic last April. So it's been a little bit over a year now. Oh, wow.

Scott Benner 1:55
Was that unexpected?

Unknown Speaker 1:56
Completely and totally unexpected?

Scott Benner 2:00
Nobody else in your family? Nope, no

Speaker 1 2:03
family history. And the way I found out was pretty interesting. I was definitely it was definitely unexpected.

Scott Benner 2:11
Alright, I'm gonna ask one more question. And I want to know how you found out. Yeah, in hindsight now. Are there autoimmune issues in your family? People with celiac thyroid, stuff like that? No, nothing? Nothing at all. Okay. All right. Go ahead, Dave. How did this happen? Yeah. So

Speaker 1 2:28
it had been a while since I had been to the doctor. And I just went into establish care and had some routine bloodwork done by my primary care office and went home that day. And then my lab work started coming back on my chart. And I got a call from my wife who's in health care. And she had asked if I had seen any of my results coming in. And I was like, no, why do you ask me? She's like, well, your blood sugar's 471. And I was like, Well, that's pretty interesting, because I feel totally fine. In fact, the day before I had went in, I was skiing for probably five or six hours the night before, and I was actually headed back to the mountain after my appointment. And I thought that the doctor must have mixed up my lab work. And I went to the store and I bought a glucometer. And I checked my glucose at home and it was like 480 my UA came back, I was spilling ketones and protein in my urine. And, again, I felt totally fine. So I tried to call my primary care office couldn't get a hold of anyone. And my wife was like, You need to go to the emergency room. Like you're gonna guarantee K, or you're not far.

Scott Benner 3:47
What is your wife? Like? Vaguely do? I'm not trying to? She's a nurse practitioner. Okay. So she she really knew what was happening. And you know, she loves you, Dave, because instead of the phone calls, like, Hey, we're breaking up. She's like, there's something wrong with your health.

Speaker 1 4:04
Yeah, she was like, How do you feel okay, and I was like, Yeah, I feel great. Like I'm gonna go skiing afterwards. Like what's up? She's

Scott Benner 4:11
Where do you by the way? Where do you live where you can ski after work? I can barely get my mail after work. What's happening?

Speaker 1 4:16
Yeah, I live in Salt Lake City. So we're about a half hour from the mountains. So Gotcha. It's a quick jaunt after work. Do

Scott Benner 4:26
you think again, looking backwards? Did you feel fine? Or were you trying to talk yourself out of being sick?

Speaker 1 4:35
Yeah, so I think about that often. I mean, I think like really, there were I didn't have any like anything going on. I wasn't, you know, paying a lot or drinking a ton of water. Like, I think the only really indication that I could have you know, like, I was 144 pounds. Prior to going in, you know, it was usually hovering around 155 160. So I mean,

Scott Benner 4:58
you lost 15 pounds, you know? just didn't know what did you not know? What are you like, look at me thin is a pen? Like yeah,

Speaker 1 5:03
well, that's the thing we so we've lived in Utah for about two years now. So, you know, we ski probably four or five days a week. And you know, the mountains are right there. So we're hiking and biking, so I just kind of attributed it to being more active. Okay.

Scott Benner 5:18
Interesting. Do you remember what your a one C was? Yeah,

Speaker 1 5:23
it was 13.8 Oct. Dave, like

Scott Benner 5:26
I almost was going to I always almost positive. Like you'd say that it wasn't very high. And I thought maybe the onset just happened really quickly. But that doesn't seem right, either. I mean, with a 13.8, a one C, it seems like you might have been going through this for a bit. Yeah.

Speaker 1 5:40
So I so I tried to get a hold of my primary care office. And it's actually funny, the person that answered the phone was like, Well, what's, you know, why are you so concerned? And I was like, I mean, my agency's 13.8. And they're like, Well, you weren't fasted before your bloodwork, like that doesn't that has no effect.

Scott Benner 6:00
Does not matter? Are you sure you didn't have a Ring ding before the bloodwork, maybe a one C 14. And I'm here to out myself as not knowing what I'm talking about.

Speaker 1 6:10
Right? So, you know, I was like, Well, I guess I'm going to scrap this and just go to urgent care, you know, at the main hospital, so I went up there. And they were like, holy crap, you know, we don't even have a lab up here. Like, you need to just go to the emergency department. So I went down there. And I have, you know, I sat in the waiting room for like, five hours and like, Does no one care that I'm in DK right now. And I get back there. And the I saw do initially, I think she was a resident, but you know, her attending physician came in with her as well. And they were like, you know, like, you're just a type two diabetic. I was like, How in the world? Can I be a type two diabetic? They're like, Yeah, you know, you just need to exercise more and some diet changes. And, you know, you can get a hold of this thing. And I'm like, I literally cannot exercise any more than I already do. And I already eat pretty healthy. So like, my it was like, baffling.

Scott Benner 7:12
That's fascinating. Because Are they aware in that moment that you've recently lost? 15 pounds and you ski almost like, it sounds like every other day?

Speaker 1 7:20
Yeah, yeah, I told them as like, I mean, from an activity standpoint, like, there's really not much more I can do

Scott Benner 7:28
see, Dave, you grew up? Well, it sounds like you're a polite person. If you were me. And you had all this sarcasm built up inside of you from years of torture of living in the northeast, you would have said, How much more do you want me to exercise? Exactly? I go up to the top of a mountain and rundown it on some sticks. Is that like not enough? What should I should I do it without the skis? Do you think that would I would have been like such an assault, just so you know. And, but instead not you your do you fight back? Like push back on them?

Speaker 1 7:58
Yeah, so my wife, I mean, they left the room. And I'm like, you know, what the hell is that? It's funny you say that? I'm actually from Boston originally. But I've learned a ton of

Scott Benner 8:07
you let us down. Dave. Come on.

Speaker 1 8:09
I know, right. My wife is like, you know, what the hell this is. You know, I've learned about all this in school, like none of this makes any sense to what I've learned, like, was my whole education just so you know, she brought up questions again, the physician was just like, Yeah, I mean, you know, it is what it is just diet and exercise. I think at this point, they'd give me some fluids. My sugar was down to like 220 something. And I was like, so am I gonna go home on insulin? She's like, well, you're insulin naive. And I'm not really comfortable introducing insulin to an naive person. So Dave,

Scott Benner 8:48
tell me you got to go back one day and tell her she was medicine naive.

Unknown Speaker 8:54
My wife sent her a really nice email.

Scott Benner 8:56
I imagine also your I love, love, like, in the worst way, that your wife is now sitting in the room getting such bad information from a physician that she's questioning her education.

Speaker 1 9:07
Yeah, I mean, she was like, granted, you know, they didn't dive full on Intuit in school, but they obviously learned about it, but

Scott Benner 9:15
right on like, my point is, is that the doctor was saying something so opposite of what your wife read in a book that your wife's like, am I wrong? Like did I misunderstand all of that? Like, wow, hey, this is good. Yeah, Dave, I liked this story so far. Okay. When do you firebomb the clinic or do something it's just a setting letter, that's all you did. So

Speaker 1 9:36
we waited like, you know, I, you know, I got hair established and got my sugar in order and kind of, you know, got a grasp on things and, or as much as you can, and my wife was like, You know what it's time to, I'm gonna reach out to that physician because she had been going back and forth about it because she actually works at the same hospital. And then it just clicked on it. She's like, you know what, I'm sending that email. And I was like, I mean, It's a good email

Scott Benner 10:00
should. Your wife and my wife have a lot in common? She thought about it every day did she for hours at a time and plotted.

Speaker 1 10:10
The night that we came home, I, you know, I just went to bed. I was like, This is crazy. And she was up all night on her phone. Like I woke up for work in the morning, and she's still on her phone. She's like, I haven't found any studies. Like, I can't find anything. This doesn't make any sense.

Scott Benner 10:22
It wouldn't surprise me that if, if asked if my wife couldn't produce a list of everything I've ever done that was incorrect, wrong or questionable since the day she met me, like an actual, like an actual paper list or a book or something like that. Like if she like, throw a big tome up on the table and like, flip it open and go. Let me just flip back here to 1995. And yeah, that's, that's good. You ladies. They're like a dog with a bone sometimes. That's good. Good for your wife. That's excellent. Guys, just like, whatever. It's fine.

Unknown Speaker 10:53
Yeah, like, I guess we'll just figure it out.

Scott Benner 10:55
I don't care as fast. It's really amazing. So did the I have to know that the doctor respond?

Speaker 1 11:03
Yeah, it was actually, you know, because it was kind of okay. I understand. Sort of the not wanting to introduce insulin thing, right. Yeah. But at least give me like a referral to an endo or something. Right. So, you know, I think she in the email stated, like, you know, I'm only bringing this up to you so that you're aware for like future patients and future people, you might see that come through the door, like, at the very least, boot them out with a referral.

Scott Benner 11:30
I just say the part I love is like you the two of you're standing in front of, I don't know, a house or a car, we're talking about how it was built, or, you know, this house was built in 19. And she's saying everything, just not right. And then you say, Hey, I'd like to learn more about this. And she was, you're naive. You can't be involved yet. I love that using the word naive. In a scenario where she's so woefully, like misdirected. It just I don't know. It tickles me for some reason. I love Yeah, I

Speaker 1 12:00
think I think the response that we got was like, you know, thank you for the information. I'll definitely keep this in consideration for the future. Oh,

Scott Benner 12:08
yeah. Cuz she couldn't respond. I'm an asshole. Yeah. Because that's what she was like. It's just like, Oh, I really screwed this up. But well, anyway, it's really fantastic that you've reached out and, you know, gave her that information. I think it's wonderful. All right. So now, but at this point, do you feel like you have type two diabetes? Do you get past that you're not like didn't get hooked up in that, but you could have if you're gonna listen to her. If it wasn't for your wife's education, you'd have gone home and started dieting and exercising your 144 pound frame like that skiing all the time? Boy, you would have been managing type one diabetes, like it was before insulin.

Speaker 1 12:55
Yeah, I mean, they gave me You know, I had the Metformin and I was like, you know, do I want to take this? Yeah, I was like, you know, like, maybe I'll just take it before I go to the, you know,

Unknown Speaker 13:05
my primary care my endo refer or whatever. I just, you know, it's still sitting in my cabinet full. Yeah,

Scott Benner 13:11
I imagine. Okay, so you go to an endo, you get a good diagnosis. What kind of tech Did they give you?

Speaker 1 13:19
As funny? Yeah. So I got my C peptide was like point six actually went to primary care, because I had a little bit of a wait for my Endo. And, you know, I go in the room, and he's like, oh, yeah, you're deaf. You are, for sure. type one diabetic, you know, and he's baffled. He's like, I don't understand, like, you don't feel anything? And I'm like, no, like, I'm not making this up. I'm fine. And he's like, Well, we're gonna get you on what it is. He's like, we're gonna get you on a libre, blah, blah, blah. And he's talking to me, like, I know what this is. And like, What the hell is a libre? Yeah, you know, so we fill a prescription and stick it in my arm. And then, you know, I had it for about three weeks. And then I finally got in with my Endo. And she put me on a Dexcom. And the rest is kind of been history since then,

Scott Benner 14:04
you know, if I didn't know anything about diabetes, and you told me you were gonna give me put me on a libre, my closest connection would be like, from like, watching girls, little girls. Like, as my daughter grew up, like getting haircuts. I'd be like, Andre, are you going to color my hair differently? Like, I don't I don't you love it when they? That's why by the way, we made the diabetes, the defining diabetes series because people just use jargon. And they think, Well, I know what this means. So you know what it means. And it's just you know, don't you I love it when they're like, you know, first you're going to Bolus a person has never heard the word Bolus before in their life. You know, and you're like Bolus libre standard deviation? What? Yeah, I

Speaker 1 14:47
thought it would I thought I was picking up a snack at the pharmacy and like, is this kind of some kind of what is it libre?

Scott Benner 14:53
This must be for when my blood sugar gets something I don't know yet. Alright. So anyway, they put you on a Dexcom What a man of conviction. He's like, I'm gonna get you on a libre. Here's a Dexcom. So isn't that funny? I wonder if I wonder if in a doctor's mind, like our CGM is becoming like, like, you know the Kleenex thing like if you ask a person most people I mean if you if you're being clear you want to tissue right, but some people will use the brand name to describe something. I wonder if you use the word libre to say CGM. It's interesting. But yeah,

Speaker 1 15:27
I mean, it's funny because even now people like in my friends circles like what's you know, like, what's the thing in your arm? Oh, my God. It's a CGM. I look at like, what's the CGM? Like, what do you mean? You don't know what a CGM is?

Scott Benner 15:37
Are you not on Tiktok? Watching everybody argue about them? Come on. Let's go. Yeah, at this point, I believe everyone knows what a GLP one is. Most people have no idea what you're talking. I was somewhere the other day. I don't know how much you listen to this show. Dave. I am down 20 pounds on weego V. And it's a GLP one. So anyway, if somebody says to me, like, Hey, you look different. First, they asked me if I got my hair cut. I was like, This is it. I've never had this moment my whole life. They're like, did you get your hair cut? And I was like, it's it. It's gonna come up. I've lost weight. And I was like, I was like, No, I've lost weight. I might look different to you. Oh, my gosh, you do I can see it. I bought I was so excited. Because so many people have passed me by and not said anything. So I'm like hugging this person. Like this means a lot to me that you notice that? Meanwhile, she didn't notice she thought I got my haircut. But how did you do it? And I said, well, in all honesty, I'm using we go V and they go we go V and I'm like, yeah, it's a GLP one. And they're still staring at me. And I'm like, I guess everyone's not online the way I am. I was like, Okay, and so I'm explaining it to her and everything she like, that's fascinating. And you can see people off to the sides like listening with like half and you're like, What did you do? jotting it down. GLP one we spell that please. We want. And it was just really like, again, like I just thought, Oh, what is this thing I use? I've seen it in. I mean, I've seen people talking about on social media a lot. And I just jumped to the conclusion that everybody knows when this meanwhile, I would bet that nine out of 10 people have no idea what I'm talking about. But oh for sure. Yeah. So Dave, big shift at your age. And also I'm sorry, your you told me before we started recording and I need this information so I can tie some things together. You are about to have your first child. Yeah, October, October. Congratulations. Thanks. So you're very welcome. So this is my point is is that you made a baby? Not long after you were diagnosed. So your life seemed You don't seem like a guy who made a baby by mistake. Am I right about that? Correct? Yeah, this was planted. In my mind, Dave, you've been planning this for like three and a half years. So how close am I to be in? Right? Pretty close. Yeah. Okay. So you're, you've got a life. It's settled. It's planned out. There's none of this in your family. You know, you're as active as could be, you know, people who don't understand diabetes would never would never think of an active 160 pound person is having any kind of diabetes whatsoever. So I'm assuming it's a big shock. But how do you manage that shock? The contour next gen blood glucose meter is sponsoring this episode of The Juicebox Podcast. And it's entirely possible that it is less expensive in cash than you're paying right now. For your meter through your insurance company. That's right. If you go to my link contour next one.com/juice box, you're gonna find links to Walmart, Amazon, Walgreens, CVS, Rite Aid, Kroger, and Meijer. You could be paying more right now through your insurance for your test strips and meter than you would pay through my link for the contour next gen and Contour. Next One test strips in cash. What am I saying? My link may be cheaper out of your pocket than you're paying right now. Even with your insurance, and I don't know what meter you have right now. I can't say that. But what I can say for sure is that the contour next gen meter is accurate. It is reliable. And it is the meter that we've been using for years contour next one.com/juicebox And if you already have a contra meter and you're buying test strips doing so through the Juicebox Podcast link will help to support the show.

Speaker 1 19:39
Yeah, so it's funny My in laws are like you know, if anyone was gonna have type one diabetes, it's a good thing that it was you like you're so type A, you know, you're just going to get a handle on this thing right away. But I mean, I was very confused, you know, like, especially like I'm like, well I don't know anything about this. And then it's just like a huge change. And for a while, you know, we're going back and forth between like, do you have type two diabetes? Do you have type one diabetes? Like what's going on? What do we do? I always say that I'm fortunate enough, I guess if I was going to get it to have it at this point in my life, as opposed to having to grew up with it, because I just can't even imagine that it would be so difficult. But, you know, the change was a lot. But at the same time, you know, it wasn't terrible in terms of, you know, like, my diet didn't change that much. Like, you know, now I'm just counting carbs. And figuring this thing out slowly. My endo actually is the one that put me on to the podcast. And she was like, You need to listen to this, this, this, this, this, this, this and this. And I was like, Oh, my gosh, this is like, more information than actually going to the appointment.

Scott Benner 20:52
Well, I appreciate that. Thank you. Whoever your endo is. Yeah. No, she's

Unknown Speaker 20:55
great. Yeah.

Scott Benner 20:56
That's wonderful. I'm huge in Utah. I don't know if you realize that or not. I

Unknown Speaker 21:01
just found out about a year ago. Yeah.

Scott Benner 21:05
That's hilarious. What a great answer, Dave, you're not my favorite guest this week. I just found out about a year ago, when I was at a doctor's office, the doctor is going I need you to listen to a podcast that must have flipped out for half a second. You were like, wait, don't you tell me the stuff? Yeah,

Speaker 1 21:20
it's funny, too, because I don't even listen to blog prior to this. You know, I didn't even really listen to podcast. Well,

Scott Benner 21:25
welcome. And thank you, and thank you to her I sincerely. It feels nice to know that, that you put something together that made it into the hands of a physician who was comfortable enough to say, you should go listen to a podcast, like that really is a great feeling for me. So thank you. Yeah. Okay, so you, you leave the doctor's office and you go listen to a podcast, you're wearing a Dexcom Are you injecting or do you have a pump? Yeah,

Speaker 1 21:54
I'm MDI. So they were like, you know, you can go on a pump after X amount of time. And I just haven't gotten to it yet. You know, my agency now is 4.9. And I guess I've just been like, you know, if it's not broke, don't fix it.

Scott Benner 22:12
Yeah, no reason. I mean, if you're doing well, you're doing well. You don't I mean, I think that's fantastic. Do you feel like you're honeymooning at all? Oh,

Speaker 1 22:20
100% For sure. I'm just waiting for the day. You know where I'm not

Scott Benner 22:25
coming from work. You're like someone give me a pump? Exactly. I'm

Speaker 1 22:30
sure it's in the future. But no, my insulin needs aren't really too crazy right now. So Okay.

Scott Benner 22:36
All right. Well, yeah, I mean, I say do what you do, you know, and especially sounds like you're being successful with it at the end. I'm not speaking for you. Right. Where's your evidence yet?

Unknown Speaker 22:45
Yeah. 4.9

Scott Benner 22:47
Are you a low carb person? Are you just keeping really active so I'm

Speaker 1 22:51
definitely really active. So I've been in initially, I was admittedly afraid of carbs. I've gotten a lot braver with stuff now, but I would say, um, you know, I'm not going to Wendy's three times a week, but I have some carbs but nothing, I would say. Probably low carb.

Scott Benner 23:11
I love that. You picked Wendy's. Do you go to Wendy's once a week.

Unknown Speaker 23:13
I haven't met a Wendy's in a very long time.

Scott Benner 23:16
I haven't either. Can I tell you? I didn't like their nuggets. When I was younger. It turned me off to the whole place.

Unknown Speaker 23:22
I think that's fair.

Scott Benner 23:23
Thank you.

Speaker 1 23:24
Let's see. I was traveling recently, and I was in the airport. And it was pretty limited food selection. And I was like, Well, I guess I can try this croissant. And that was a big mistake.

Scott Benner 23:36
It's the biggest Bolus you've ever given yourself. I'm six units. Okay, that's a band. That was a large one. Yeah, well, did you get your weight back? Where's your weight sitting?

Speaker 1 23:48

155. Like I hover between 55 155 and 160. So yeah.

Scott Benner 23:53
So what's your this is off the top my head? I'm not doing any math. Does your Basal like, point six times? Are you like 1213 units today?

Speaker 1 24:04
Yeah, it's actually interesting as at, so I've been doing like 12 and then probably two weeks ago, I've been waking up in like the 60s in the high 50s. So I dropped it down to 10. Okay,

Scott Benner 24:17
so you really are honeymooning. That's good. I mean, good luck. Right. And as long as you can. Also, let's pause here for a second Dave so that people listening can absorb that. I just guessed your Basal insulin. Yeah, great. Okay, let it happen. Just let everybody go. Okay. I am listening to the right podcast. Without telling you how I did that. You know, at this point, honestly, I feel like it's, um, you ever drive home and realize when you get home, you don't know how you got there. Like, you know, if you weren't really paying attention, I might be at that point with diabetes at this point. I'm like, Oh, he's like 155 160s active is biggest Bolus is 6.8. Probably like 12 years. I don't even I must have looked like Rain Man figuring that out just now. What is anyone seen rain man at this point? I gotta get better.

Speaker 1 25:10
You're gonna have job offers coming in pretty soon from endos all over the country. I can't

Scott Benner 25:15
afford to take the job. I'm making a podcast. Very successful. I'm sorry. Okay, so your life is. Let me ask you, how has it changed? Like, because you've laid out how your management is. And so how's your day to day changed?

Speaker 1 25:32
I think that it's just become a little bit more inconvenient. You know, there's a lot of timer set. You know, I Pre-Bolus Pretty much every meal. It's funny. Actually. My wife refuses to eat dinner until my 15 minute alarm dings. Regardless of what I tell her to do. I'm like, you can just eat the food. You don't have to wait. 15 minutes. It's really okay. Okay,

Scott Benner 25:56
can I tell you? I don't want to cut you off. I find that so lovely. It almost brought a tear to my eye. You don't have diabetes? No, I'm being serious. That's really wonderful. Good for her. He's great. Yeah, okay. I'm sorry. So a little more inconvenient. Got a lot of time or set, but your hand like you're handling it like an adult that was met with a problem?

Speaker 1 26:19
For sure. Yeah. I mean, there's the repercussions of not getting a handle on it, you know, are terrible. So have you think I live with like this giant fear, because I have such good control of it. But you know, it's always in the back of your mind.

Scott Benner 26:34
Yeah, but you don't sound like you have any psychological impact either, though, like you're not bugging out or depressed or anything, right? No, definitely

Speaker 1 26:41
not. I mean, maybe in the beginning, I was kind of like, what, like, how did this happen to me? You know, like, what did I do? And I'm like, I didn't really do anything. I guess just happened.

Scott Benner 26:50
Right? Now. It's such a healthy decision to make. I mean, really is. I mean, I feel like you're showing that, you know, if you're healthy, if you're if you're mentally healthy to begin with, because there are some people who would be depressed already and like not, you know, not really being controlled those reactions, but if you're healthy to begin with it is the decision like, do I go why me and fall down a rabbit hole of despair? Or do I just say, Okay, next thing to conquer. And, you know, let's, let's get to it. That's really, really terrific. And I guess my next question is, you were already on a path to making a baby. Was there any second thoughts? Like, did you go like, today's the day we're gonna try and your wife like, got cold feet or anything like that? Are you? No, no,

Speaker 1 27:33
no, but I mean, I It's funny, and we're like, we talking? Well, what if he's a type one diabetic? Well, at least we have plenty of practice, but hopefully not. That's

Scott Benner 27:45
That's it. That's the extent of it. Like if it happens, it happens. No, like, was it a very, I don't know how to ask this. Are you very religious person? Are you like it's up to God? Like, no, no, no. Okay. Wow. All right. Cool. Do you think you'll have the baby tested when he or she is old enough to see if they have markers for type one?

Speaker 1 28:07
Oh, yeah, for sure. I, you know, in discussing this with my doctors, you know, we're like, how do we get here? And they're like, you know, well, have you had like, COVID or any other viruses? Well, weirdly enough, like at, I think it was 31. I got hand foot and mouth from a doctor. I work with

Scott Benner 28:26
Dave. Dave. That's what Arden had before she was diagnosed. That's crazy. Yeah, it's actually not it's an incredibly common virus that leads to a type one diagnosis. Oh,

Speaker 1 28:39
there. Yeah. We were like it's either that or I've had COVID I think three times. So we're like it's either that

Scott Benner 28:45
I've also been eating COVID on my cereal. Hey, I think legally you're allowed to at least with a white glove slap that doctor across the face when you see them? I've been looking for Sir, you sir. have given me taekwondo. But you had you obviously you had the markers already. But hand foot mouth and I don't understand the the mechanics behind it. But if you if you go back in the podcast, there's an episode. I hate googling myself. But hold on a second. Just because it feels a little douchey I don't know if you realize that or not. To go to your own website and go let me just find the information we need. The I'll just give me a second. So prevention bio comes on to talk about the plasma mob. I'm back on episode 452. Really lovely episode the gentleman that came on. Fantastic. They have actually recently sold to miss a blob to plus a mob excuse me put them before the pay. By the way, there shouldn't be M's and peas and z's that close to each other in words, but they the drug made it through FDA approval, and it was sold to Sanofi Sanofi. Sorry, it's a French company. I know people that work there some people say Sanofi some people say Sanofi. Anyway, this drug is to slow down the onset of your diabetes, of type one. But in that conversation in 452, he spent a fair amount of time talking about how he'd like to work on a vaccine for hand Foot Mouth. Because Because he said, I think if we can stop hand foot and mouth, which is called coxsackievirus, that we would slow down the onset of type one diabetes. Anyway, it's a very emotional like, I It's another episode where I was, we be listening to it. As somebody from the company, Lenny Ramos, she came back on an 842 to talk about tz old twins. This is so ridiculous. But to put them out was FDA approved, they changed the name to sell it as tz old. But they're two great episodes if you want to hear more about it. But anyway, my point is, is that I'm Francisco Leone, he's a physician, I think he was the co founder of prevention bio. And the way he talked about it was uplifting. He's like, you know, maybe we can't just cure type one, but maybe we could stop things that send people into a diagnosis. And I was like, oh, it's really a, like a cool way of thinking about it. Anyway, he made me think that and you and my daughter had the same virus before you were diagnosed. So yeah, yeah. Now, you know, double in the club.

Unknown Speaker 31:37
Like who gets hand foot and mouth when in their 30s?

Scott Benner 31:40
Yeah, I was gonna say, Man, that's a kid's thing. Yeah, like my fingernails

Unknown Speaker 31:43
and toenails are popping up. Like, what is this?

Scott Benner 31:46
Lightweight, they can't handle a little coxsackievirus. Yeah, my daughter was. She wasn't even two when she got it. And the reason that we the first way, we kind of started sniffing out that something was odd. Well, before we understood diabetes, or that Shiva was exhibiting signs of type one is that the hand Foot and Mouth felt like it returned. And at the time, the best that like the oh my god, my kids are so old. I don't know the word doctors for children. Pediatrician, thank you, Jesus. You guys are listening to me. And I can't think of the word pediatrician. You might want to go find out if there's another podcast you can find try. Try two bears one cave or something. But anyway, you know, he found it so strange. Like I remember him kind of like looking up into his head going this doesn't make sense. Like this isn't a thing you get twice. And now Now you wonder like when she got it the first time? Did her immune system go after the Coxsackie? Or did it go like right for her pancreas? Like, you know, and did the Coxsackie not get dealt with? And then maybe it was quelled and brought back or did she really get it again? Or? We have no idea, obviously. But yeah, that's how that happened. And then just right after her second birthday, she started like wasting away. And it it really did take us a long time to figure it out. The doctors at the time. I don't think I talked about this too much on the podcast, but they think we got her to the hospital like maybe 24 hours before she was gonna go into a coma.

Unknown Speaker 33:20
Oh my gosh, yeah. So

Scott Benner 33:24
anyway, nobody tells you about that when you're having sex trying to make a baby. This is fun. And we're gonna buy a crib and a stroller.

Unknown Speaker 33:33
CGM? Yeah,

Scott Benner 33:34
they also don't tell you, you're probably not gonna have sex much after you have a baby. But they really should tell you that, because then you wouldn't do it. But anyway, I don't want to ruin the surprise that's coming. One day, you're gonna be like, I like the wall. This Chris Hardwick he's fun. Is this the time we would have usually been having sex?

Unknown Speaker 33:55
Think I'm gonna go to bed? Yeah,

Scott Benner 33:57
I'll see you in 20 years. We'll split up the money at the end. You know? My goodness. Anyway, don't let me paint a picture of marriage and being a parent is terrible. It's the best experience of my life. How involved is your wife with your diabetes, a little nun? She just supportive.

Speaker 1 34:16
She said, I have this really great habit of giving myself compression lows in the night and sleeping through all of the alarms in the world. So you know, actually, you know, she's got the she's follows me on her cell phone. Anytime I'm out of range, I get a text like hey, like, are you okay? Hey, like what's going on? Like we missed? We missed with that. Pre-Bolus I think I was feeling brave a few weeks ago and decided to go for some pizza, which didn't end well for me. And I woke up at three o'clock in the morning to an injection and my butt cheek. So she's very involved in the diabetes management.

Scott Benner 34:53
Was she giving you insulin and glucagon? Yes, she's

Unknown Speaker 34:55
getting the insulin okay. Yeah, I guess that's difficult. Yeah,

Scott Benner 35:00
I wasn't sure like Were you having a seizure? Or were you like,

Unknown Speaker 35:02
that was just 400.

Scott Benner 35:05
So she so a couple things. So she's now kicking you going rollover you by the way, Dave. I could be your father, because I'm very practiced at this. And you're using the G six it sounds like

Speaker 1 35:15
I actually now I'm using libre three

Scott Benner 35:19
by three and you're getting compression loads with it.

Unknown Speaker 35:22
Sometimes Yeah. Okay.

Scott Benner 35:25
So she's kicking you to roll over off the sensor. Were

Unknown Speaker 35:28
you wearing it? Back on my arm.

Scott Benner 35:30
And you're getting a compression low. How do you sleep Dave?

Speaker 1 35:35
I don't know. I guess I'm just all over the place. It's gonna say usually I'm asleep on my back and then I wake up on my side. It's hard to keep track of what Arvidson

Scott Benner 35:45
roll over roll Artin rollover. Get off the sensor on him.

Unknown Speaker 35:52
Yeah, I woke up was like what are you doing? She's like your blood sugars. I'm like,

Scott Benner 35:56
did you think that your your love life was taking a weird turn at first?

Unknown Speaker 36:00
What is stinging in my

Scott Benner 36:04
you have to ask my permission first.

Speaker 1 36:07
She's I'm really sorry. I had to give you insulin last night. Like trust me. I felt it. Yeah,

Scott Benner 36:12
I'm aware. You're not great at it. I've lost my touch. I don't think I'm good at giving injections anymore. I would probably be the last person you'd want to deal with at this point. I'm sure I could get back in practice pretty quickly. But

Speaker 1 36:25
yeah, let one of my roommates from college do it. My long acting and it was like the scene from Pulp Fiction.

Scott Benner 36:34
You were probably or you were Oh my god. I'm having trouble with words today. All right. Let's go over it. There's an actress. She's married to Ethan Hawke. Her name is Uma Thurman. Yeah, yes. She's in Pulp Fiction. laying on the ground. Do you think people haven't seen by the way, Dave? I don't know where you stand. Pulp Fiction is. It would be one of the five movies in the conversation for if I could only take one movie to a desert island with me easily. Yeah, um, Pulp Fiction is high up there in that in that conversation. So she's Odede. Right. She thought she did coke but she did heroin. She started heroin, I think. Yeah, Gerhard stops. John Travolta, which I know you're like John Travolta. Yes, John Travolta takes her to his drug dealers house for some reason. If you haven't seen this, even just this scene, it's fantastic. And they have like an adrenaline needle. And the guy's pulling it out. And he's like, stick it in your heart. And Travolta is like standing over top of her like, anyway, it's fantastic. You're saying, This is what happened to you? Except in your ass?

Unknown Speaker 37:43
Yeah, as a side of my leg.

Scott Benner 37:48
Had she ever given you one before, like, would have led me immediately to go? How often does this happen?

Unknown Speaker 37:55
Not often.

Scott Benner 37:57
Imagine she's mad. Like you're like, I don't use much insulin at all. But it turns out you're using like 12 units more a day than you think as your wife's injecting while you're sleeping.

Speaker 1 38:05
Yeah, why am I going through these pens so fast? What happened here last

Scott Benner 38:09
night? I don't remember any of us. Needles everywhere. And she's July, August, September, October. She's five months pregnant. So. Yeah, I know. Oh, yeah. She must be thrilled with you and your beeping. Yeah.

Unknown Speaker 38:23
I guess good practice for the future.

Scott Benner 38:25
Is that how you're selling it?

Speaker 1 38:28
Like, should we get like, you know, one of those diabetes alarms that goes in the side of the bed that awakeness she's like, No, we don't need things that are going to be louder in this house.

Scott Benner 38:36
May I make a suggestion? Yeah. glucose.

Unknown Speaker 38:42
Oh, yeah. Yeah,

Scott Benner 38:43
I have one on my desk here. And I just looked over, now it's green means Arden's blood sugars in a range that I find like that, like acceptable and valuable. It's like, I don't know. It's like 100 bucks. I think I have a I think I have a link like an affiliate link, but I don't really use it. Because yeah,

Speaker 1 39:00
because we actually have a hatch on the bedside table and not like wakes me up without a problem every day.

Scott Benner 39:08
Yeah. glucose.com It's just this really cool thing. I think you have to have Dexcom I don't know if that works with libre or not, if I'm being honest. Anyway, it's cool, like uses your Dexcom data. And as you leave different ranges that you set up, it turns colors. Oh, yeah. And if you get low, it's red. And then if you get too low, it flashes red. And I obviously it's not going to wake you up. It doesn't make any noise. But I find it. I have one in my bedroom. And I find it really valuable because if I open my eyes at night, and I find myself wondering about Arden's blood sugar, I don't have to like wake myself up enough to open the phone and then find the app etc. which I know sounds like such a first first world problem. I don't have to swipe up on Like, Dave, you know, because it's it's a hassle. Obviously, that's not that much of a hassle. But you look over and you kind of just see the color glowing and it's green and you think green. Alright, go back to sleep. You kind of doesn't break your sleep the same way. Yeah. And even in the house. Like, you know how I was talking earlier about how you can like, drive somewhere and not know, you know that you're not remember making any of the turns or anything. There's a couple of them in my house. And as I wander through, I think subconsciously I see them, but I don't focus on them. And then like, they just go, Ooh, is that red? And then it makes me open my phone, like Arden's off to college, and I'll be like, Hey, your blood sugar looks a little low, and she'll be like, I just ate something like, okay, cool. And that's it. It's really, it's a great little idea, that thing. Oh,

Unknown Speaker 40:45
and it doesn't sound like a tornado alarm.

Scott Benner 40:47
Yeah. You know what, if I think of it, I'll put a link in the show notes to it. If you guys are interested in checking it out. I think I make like, $3 Every time you buy one or something like that, I don't honestly know. But anyway, but Okay, so your wife is helping like that. That's pretty cool. Was she right about the amount of insulin she drew up? Or was she like, eyeball on it? Or?

Speaker 1 41:08
Yeah, now she was right. Because it's, you know, every time we Pre-Bolus Or like, we're counting car, it's a big discussion, right? You know, it's like, Okay, we're gonna have pasta passes one to 18 I'm gonna do you know, blah, blah, blah, units, like four units, whatever. So she's very in tune to those conversations. So when I'm, you know, that was a pizza hit me like four hours later. Yeah. And she's like, okay, he's correction should be this. He's at this. So like, she's very, she might as well have type one diabetes.

Scott Benner 41:37
She really gets it. Yeah, that's excellent. I mean, honestly, this is the time where most people sleep a lot before they have a baby, but okay. You know, have you listened to the episodes about like, fat and protein rises?

Speaker 1 41:50
Yeah. And, you know, unfortunate now, like I said, we talked about like, I'm still honeymooning. But, you know, I'm just waiting for the day when I'm, you know, not having any free meals and like, alright, steak, like gonna count is count that.

Scott Benner 42:04
Yeah. Oh, no, we're all of a sudden six units is like, not nearly the largest Bolus you've used and stuff. We went to the movies. The other night, Arden was home for like two days. And I don't know how the rest of you live your lives. But that spider verse movie came out, we were like, We're going to the movies. And she tried to stack going out to lunch with her friends, and then coming home and then going right to the movies with us. And like it, like she missed at the restaurant, like pretty, like, massively. So we're like putting these big boluses on as we're approaching the, the, the theater trying to get ahead of it. And we just, we just didn't do well. Like we're just we're kind of like, I don't know how to explain this. Like when she's here with us, there's a way we manage, right? When she's away at school, there's a way we manage that we're not as involved in obviously, almost not at all. And then she came home. And there's like this little part of her who like jokingly, like will sit down to eat and she'll like slide her phone across the table and be like, hey, go big guy. You must miss this. Right. And once you Bolus for dinner, I really think she just honestly wants a break. You know? Yeah. And so we somehow in the middle, like, didn't give each other a break. And like, I don't know, like she was kind of involved. I think we both thought the other person was looking at it. But anyway, my point is, is that by the time she left that restaurant and went to a movie theater, she must have easily had 40 units of insulin maybe over like over like the last couple of hours. But she went to like some crappy restaurant and then she's like, had a Slurpee. I don't know if that you know, you're from Boston. You know what it is? Yeah. At the movies, so just sugar and water, and cookie dough bites, cheese. Anyway, here's the real moral of that story. That movie is terrific. Really, really good. If you if you have not seen that spider verse film, go see the first one then go see the second one. Because that's crazy that it's animated. And it's that good. Anyway, Dave, what do you want to talk about? Do you have a thought? Like a you want to talk about in your notes? You said weird diagnosis, but talked about that. sticking up for yourself, which you obviously did, but what else you got?

Speaker 1 44:19
Yeah, I think that was the biggest thing, right, is that everyone has been in terms of like my care team. There's just been so confused. And like, this is so uncommon, and like this is just crazy. Like, you know, I've been practicing medicine for X amount of years and never seen anything like this. So I think just kind of getting it out there and like sharing the story with people. I mean, who knows, maybe you could do some good. Yeah, we have friends that are you know, like urgent care, primary care nurse practitioners and physician assistants. And, you know, we told them this during like, Oh, like this is always going to be something I'm thinking about. People come in so

Scott Benner 44:59
hey, the One thing I've been wondering I didn't ask you about is there's no, like after you got on insulin, you couldn't see. Oh, I didn't feel well. I didn't realize it was no change. Yeah,

Speaker 1 45:12
I think maybe, you know, like, I think about it, and I probably don't drink as much water as I used to

Scott Benner 45:21
be just like, Oh, I'm hydrating, like they talk about.

Speaker 1 45:23
Yeah, you know, I'm gonna skier Yeah, we're gonna go on this big hike, like, you know, I gotta get water. But now it's like, I was thinking about it the other day. And like, I've only had like, you know, two Hydroflask today, and it's five o'clock in the afternoon. Whereas maybe I would have had five or six.

Scott Benner 45:39
Wow. But no, like, increased mental clarity, energy, like nothing like that.

Speaker 1 45:46
I think no, I was actually afraid to get my blood sugar and check and be tired. You know, it's like, well, I'm not running at 400 anymore. So I'm probably going to be deep. But

Scott Benner 45:55
it's like, I'm optimal around 400 with a 13. A one C?

Speaker 1 45:59
Yeah. Everyone's like, no wonder you can't sit down your blood sugar's 480.

Scott Benner 46:03
So that would be the opposite. If your blood sugar was high, and you were feeling it, it would it would slap you and shut you off.

Speaker 1 46:09
Yeah, my nurse in the emergency department. He was a type one. And he was like, You must feel awful. Like when we were walking back to the room, and I was like, No, I feel good music. Oh, he's like, I'm type one. And when I'm like, above 220 Like, I just start feeling horrible.

Scott Benner 46:25
Yeah, yeah. That's coming, Dave. I'm sorry. I, if it doesn't call me back and be like, Hey, I've had diabetes now from because we might want to get you like, in some research, like, we might like, have to let the government like take over your life and check your body and stuff like that. You would give yourself up to research right there. Oh, for sure. Thank you. Very nice. We'll take that as illegal. Yes, later. Well, that's really fascinating. Like, I thought for certain you were gonna say no, you know, what ended up happening was I was just accustomed to how crappy I was feeling. And then when I went backwards with my blood sugar, I realized what I was going through, but nothing. Oh, yeah. I

Speaker 1 47:00
mean, I go through the question list, like where I was with my primary care? And he's like, No, this and this isn't like, no, no, no. And then he, you know, stops and asked me all the same questions again. Oh,

Scott Benner 47:14
then the only thing I can think they asked you is How frequently do you go skiing?

Unknown Speaker 47:20
At least four days a week? That's

Scott Benner 47:21
maybe it's it, maybe you just the activity was just put your blood sugar was still high? I don't know. Really doesn't make sense.

Speaker 1 47:29
Yeah, it's and then, you know, then you reopen the, you know, now we know I have diabetes, and I'm taking insulin, and now I'm still doing all these things. And it's like, how do these activities affects my blood sugar? And it's just, it's crazy. Like, you know, hiking is totally opposite of what my sugar does when I'm skiing.

Scott Benner 47:46
If I don't want to go down a weird rabbit hole with you, but since you're in Salt Lake, if the Miracle on Ice happened there in the Olympics, and I think it didn't, then we're gonna call this the miracle on snow.

Unknown Speaker 48:01
But I know my cursor was in that movie. Wait, hold on

Scott Benner 48:04
a second. Keep your weird thoughts on check for a second. Wait, are you so that happened in Lake Placid? New York, dammit. All right. I still called the Miracle on stuff. Who knows? But your cousin was like an extra or like a character.

Speaker 1 48:18
He played Jaco Callahan. He was a cute like one of the main characters.

Scott Benner 48:23
Okay. I'm going to IMDb

Unknown Speaker 48:29
Yeah, Michael made nuda.

Scott Benner 48:32
Yet by the way, your last name is ridiculous.

Unknown Speaker 48:37
Should see how people spell it.

Scott Benner 48:39
I don't even imagine that they get anywhere near it. Like you're saying if I scroll I see Steve Gutenberg is the right movie, right? All cast and crew. I'm scrolling. The Stealth errs great for the podcast. Why don't they just do a find what is wrong with me? I'm such an idiot. So is it the only movie he's ever been in? I

Speaker 1 49:07
think after that he was in a few others, but nothing like big like that. That was the biggest role that he had.

Scott Benner 49:12
Was he trying to be an actor?

Speaker 1 49:14
So you're ready for this? All right. He played college hockey, had to take an acting class for an art credit. And he really liked it and his key graduated his professor call them and was like, Hey, there's this hockey movie happening. Like you should go try out for it. And he was like, oh, okay, like I was gonna try for this movie, whatever. And he got the role.

Scott Benner 49:35
That's insane. Except, except this wrong movie. He was in miracle.

Unknown Speaker 49:44
Oh, yeah. Well, that's it.

Scott Benner 49:48
I can't wait for him to hear this.

Unknown Speaker 49:51
Well, Miracle on Ice is what they called it. Well,

Scott Benner 49:54
it just says miracle. The Miracle on Ice was the actual Oh, is this the movie of the thing? Okay, I'm gonna let that go as a pass for you. Okay, because the event was at Lake Placid was called Miracle on Ice. That's what they call it like in the news, but miracle. Oh, wow, that's crazy. I see him. Yeah, handsome fella. I was that pretty. I'd be in a movie to Michael. I guess he could skate because you guys are from Boston. Right? So, yeah, I

Unknown Speaker 50:25
played hockey for University of Maine. Oh, good for him.

Scott Benner 50:27
That's really cool. What's he doing now?

Speaker 1 50:29
He was training dogs in Special Forces dogs and helicopter. Rescue Mission. Yeah,

Scott Benner 50:39
they ended up being in three movies. Miracle. The other ones are I do. dirtbags and surfer dude. surfer

Unknown Speaker 50:47
dude fits.

Scott Benner 50:50
The hair. does have nice long hair. Okay, well, that was an interesting sidebar. All right, well, now we're just going to call this Salt Lake miracle or something like that. Who knows? You know, it's I should throw a bone to the Utah fans once in a while. That would be nice. Do you know Do you know how that ended up being? Like, when you told me you were in Salt Lake, I have to do the math on my head because you're either part of the church or you just live in Utah. But I have a ton of Latter Day Saints fans.

Unknown Speaker 51:21
Oh, no. I'm not part of the church. Now. I

Scott Benner 51:23
figured it out. Because you only have one baby. And you're in your 30s Yeah, exactly. I've been a real slacker. If you were, there's no way wrong. Yeah, they would have been like, you gotta go. So how do you really screw it up? Okay. There's a bad joke in there. I'm not gonna make but anyway. Yes. So it turns out, it's just a really tight knit community. So when somebody in the church figured out the podcast was valuable, it just really got around. And I'm hoping one day for there to be a statue of me and Utah somewhere. is plenty of room after I get a little thinner, then we can start commissioning that statue. Anyway, anything we haven't talked about, like, at all? Let make sure I'm not missing anything that I can think of. David, you're very chill. Thanks. Are you really from Boston? How long have you been out of Boston?

Speaker 1 52:16
A while. So Boston, North Carolina. I was in North Carolina for like eight years. And then we moved out here about like, a little over two years ago. Did. Lawson still comes out when we're driving now.

Scott Benner 52:30
Have you ever said this to your wife? If I don't teach him this lesson? Who is going to?

Speaker 1 52:35
Yeah, she's like, you know, when you go on this podcast, you can't swear. I was like, Okay, you gotta

Scott Benner 52:41
we got it. I was editing a show the other day from with a lady from Australia. Her episode is going to be called Stuart Pitt. In case you're wondering. And she cursed so much. It was lovely. I started cursing. I was like, Ah, so relaxed.

Unknown Speaker 52:55
The sign of intelligence.

Scott Benner 52:58
I well. I'm gonna go with that, for sure. But seriously, do you think moving down to North Carolina? Did it chill you out? Is it your wife? Or do you meet your wife?

Speaker 1 53:10
In North Carolina? I think yeah. It's a different way of life down there. You know, people are very friendly. You know, you can't No one's that you can't run around like a Masshole being abrasive to everyone. You know, they drive slow that walk slow, like,

Scott Benner 53:26
just get used to driving. It makes me mental. When I Oh, you

Speaker 1 53:30
have you ever been to Utah is home to the worst drivers in the world? Oh, no, I

Scott Benner 53:34
didn't realize that. It's terrifying. I, because my son got out of college. And then I don't know if I've probably told this before. But in my life, I had been to Georgia one time, Cole had played baseball there when he was like, 16 for some like scouting thing. And that's the only time I'd ever been there. And then suddenly, about two years ago, Arden started talking about going to school in Georgia. And we're like, Okay, that seems so far away. Like, you know, like, the whole time you're raising a kid with type one, you're like, Well, maybe she'll just go to like the school across the street or, you know, offer somebody to go to the community college in town. It's like, at that time, she said, I'm either gonna go to Chicago, Manhattan, or Georgia. And we were like, no, like, no, there's just no good answer in there. You know, like, these things are far away their travel problems, like even though New York's close, like getting into the cities, not like, I don't know, if anybody's ever done that. It's not that easy. And so, she ends up picking Georgia, and then my son graduates from college, like literally gets his first job in the world in Atlanta. And now suddenly, I've been to Georgia like seven times. And I you people can't drive like I don't know another way to put it. It's terrible. The worst is South Carolina. Oh my gosh, if I'm if I'm putting them in order Here's my message to the people South Carolina. You can change lanes. Okay, that's my message them. Here's my message to the people who live right around Atlanta. You people are out of your fucking minds. I saw the last time I visited my son. In a three day visit, I sought to hit and run accidents in Atlanta. Oh, yeah. One of them. An SUV, drove over the back of a small car and kept going. And, and a mile up the road. I saw a police officer pulled over. So I did the obvious thing. I pulled over we were stuck in like construction traffic. The story is not important. But we were just stop and go traffic. And this person wanted to change lanes. And instead of changing a lane literally caught the back of the car with the front of the tire and their car was lifted enough. He drove up over the trunk. And he saw us I mean God I say he got blood had to have been a guy right. And like it found a little slot in the in the traffic and like shot up eight spots, and just drove away from it. And we were still in stop and go traffic. There's a car that he just ran over eight slides back and he just keeps going. So I pull over get the cop. I get. I have to admit the internet has made I got out the car with my hands off. I was like, Hi. He didn't care less about me. I'm like, I just witnessed the hit and run. accident. And that's the car that hit. I'm like pointing I'm like we can still see it. It's that SUV right there. And he goes, Yeah, man. That's not why I'm here. Have a good day. And I'm like, what he goes I'm here for traffic control for the construction. And I went what? head around that he goes, then he sees on actually concerned. He goes, Yeah, I'm sure they have insurance. They'll take care of it. I'm like, I'm like, sir. That SUV right there? You see it right? And he goes, Yeah, I'm like, that car just drove over the back of a vehicle and fled the scene. You can go get him. That was he didn't care. Anyway, I don't know what's going on in Atlanta. You people can't drive. That's it's just it's a mess. Like a real mess. The idea of filling the space in front of you is lost in the south to begin with that I don't understand at all that, but South Carolina might be the worst.

Speaker 1 57:35
Oh, when you come out to Utah, I will report back. Some rankings change.

Scott Benner 57:39
I love the people. Everyone's lovely. Just you guys. Like you just kind of come to the northeast for like six months and drive. But I can't tell you like going around Washington, like on the beltway at night. It feels like you're in a NASCAR race. It really does. And you're left one Oh my You're like I can't take my eyes off the road. My hands off this. We got to lean into these turns. We got to accelerate through these times. People are going like it's just and those skills like I'm not saying you strive like that. I'm saying those skills translate to other things. And I don't know the same thing goes by the way. Like if I went on a beach vacation once and we were at this kind of like all inclusive thing where they came around asked you if you wanted something to drink? And I was like, Oh, I would I would like this. Thank you. 20 minutes later, I said to my wife, where is my drink? She's like, why don't like it's been 15 minutes. And then 20 minutes goes by and it's a half an hour later. And I'm out of my mind. People doing what is happening. She comes back so lovely. Hey, how are you? Here's your drink. And I like Kelly's like, calm down. I'm like, calm down.

Unknown Speaker 58:52
I don't even want it now.

Scott Benner 58:55
We went to a restaurant in Georgia the other day. We're getting ready to pick it up from college. And like we got down there a couple days early. And Kelly and I are just kind of chilling out like we don't relax enough. The story might play might paint that picture. But we got there a couple days early to help her get packed up, move some stuff into storage, and we were just really going to try to relax. And we did. I only took like four or five business calls for the podcast while we were there. And still oversaw the management of the Facebook page. But I was relaxing. And we get up one day to go to lunch. And we're finished lunch and we go back to the hotel. And I said to Kelly, it just took us two hours to eat lunch. And it wasn't because we were chilling out it was because of how slow everything moves. I swear to you, I don't understand, like, like around here you're eating it. Like you're still eating and the waitress is like here's the check no pressure but you know, get the hell out of here. You're taking that space. Yeah, I don't know. Maybe I would love it but it sounds like it wore off on you kind of nicely. Do you have Appreciate it now. Oh,

Unknown Speaker 1:00:01
yeah, for sure. My life's a lot less stressful.

Scott Benner 1:00:05
Except for the diabetes, except you have type one diabetes now. Should I try this? Do you think she should go to the south and beat myself into submission? Yeah,

Speaker 1 1:00:13
go on like a sabbatical for a few years. Because you know, you, you show up there, right. And everyone knows you're not from there. Oh, I would imagine. Yeah. And then they're, like, really taken aback. They're like, I needs to chill the fuck out.

Scott Benner 1:00:27
You mean, like, because we crossed the street when the little hand says don't cross and I'm like, There's nothing coming. Why would I not go?

Speaker 1 1:00:34
Yeah, like driving around like a maniac are walking like a maniac talking like,

Scott Benner 1:00:39
the seven people at a corner. There's not a car in sight. The little thing says, Don't walk. And I'm looking at him. Like, what are we doing? Across the street? This is ridiculous. You know, right. Like, we're all just standing here for no reason whatsoever. They don't seem like even aware of it. Like, oh, the hand says don't walk, I'll stand here till the hand tells me otherwise. And I'm like, walking guy, I

Unknown Speaker 1:01:03
can't walk. Right here.

Scott Benner 1:01:05
I'm like, here, I'll tell you a secret. When people stop for me when I'm crossing the street in the South. They do it because it's just what they do. And I waved to them. Because in my mind, I'm like, what a gracious thing this person has done for me. I'm like, thank you. And they look at you like, why are you waving to me? And I'm like, you stopped while I was in the road? How lovely of you. Thank you. What a wonderful person. Meanwhile, my wife's like I you know, it's cool if you keep waving at it, but I don't think they expect that. I was like, oh, oh, this is just what they do. That's fine. Yeah.

Speaker 1 1:01:43
People would think me at my at my job to be like, thank you. And I'm like, why are you thinking I'm doing my job? Like, that's why I'm here.

Scott Benner 1:01:52
Right? Well, here's the underbelly of this thinking, if I'm being honest with you. I think people in the Northeast keep the world moving. Like, like, we work at a different pace than a lot of the rest of you. Like I before we got on here. I was telling Dave a story about how I was working till like midnight last night on the podcast. And I had this a file had to go through a process before I could move on. So I had like this 20 minute wait. So I went and sat with my wife for like, 20 minutes in bed. And then I fell asleep. And my eyes opened at 330 to the thought, oh my God, I didn't put the episode up for today. I got out of bed, woke myself up, recorded five more minutes of audio, stitch the episode together the rest of the way and put it online. And then I couldn't go back to sleep till like six in the morning because I was like wide awake after that. I'm certain if I lived in South Carolina, I would have thought I'll pull up later. Oh, yeah, but not me. I would never do that. I'm like, No, like when we went away to see art and for to pick her up, bring her back and all that stuff. We actually stitched a couple of days on the beginning of the trip, we slid into Atlanta and saw my son for like 48 hours went to a Braves game. They were playing the Phillies, I wouldn't just go to a Braves game. And although let me say this really, I can't believe I'm admitting this out loud. Really great. Experiencing a game at Brave state at that brave stadium is really, really great. Anyway, so my son slipped over to Chicago where my daughter's gone to college, I think I'm supposed to say hung out there a little bit and, and came home. But in order to do that, I had to prep two weeks of the podcast and and post it ahead of time. So for 10 days before we left on the trip, I did like three and a half weeks worth of work. And I never left this room like for for a week and a half. And I never thought twice about that. Like it didn't even occur to me that that's not a thing you would do like I'm sure most people would be like just let the podcast be awful week. It's why you're losers. It's why I'm winning and you'll lose. I gotta move, man. Hey, you're so till now? I can't even tell you from Massachusetts.

Unknown Speaker 1:04:14
Yeah, don't even sound like it right?

Scott Benner 1:04:16
No, you're so chill. Is everybody comes out in traffic as in form of yelling, where do you actually get irritated?

Speaker 1 1:04:23
Oh, it's like all the things. You know, like if I had like, I'm like, open the sunroof and throw a handful of change out of a bad guy just did.

Scott Benner 1:04:35
There's no way most people know what you're talking about. So a woman was tailgating me on the way down to Georgia. So I washed my windshield so we'd get on her windshield. Murderous. Would I shoot a rocket at or if I had one? I don't think so. But can you promises we're going 85 miles an hour and she's eight inches from Me and I'm like, oh back her up by getting her windshield wet. So I did it. She backed up because obviously she it took her attention away for a second. And she's like, you know, instead of driving like Mario Kart, she was like she was obviously from the northeast, by the way, she had a different license plate. And she backed off, cleared her windshield, and then immediately flew back up on us again. Yeah, so my wife goes, my wife's like, Don't do it again. I'm like, Oh, we're definitely doing it again. So we did it again. She backed up again. On the second time, she figured out what was happening. Oh, and it pissed her off. And I was so delighted that she was angry.

Speaker 1 1:05:41
Yeah, that was the point, right? Like, get a reaction. I mean, I was beeping at someone the other day not turning right. And I was like, What is this guy doing? There's people crossing the street in the crosswalk my Oh,

Scott Benner 1:05:53
well, I have diabetes. These times going low. All right, I'm not going to tell the story of the time that we got cut off in traffic going to the Jersey Shore. And I threw a water bottle out of a convertible and squeezed in between the three inch gap in someone's back window that was down and then watch the water bottle bend in half, go through the gap explode water inside of the car. And that I felt like I won the Olympics. When I did. That everyone in the car was like, oh my god, like we've won something. And I won't also tell you that the person driving my car was a police officer. Then you get a free pass. Right? You do it every don't come here. If you don't live here, you're not gonna make it.

Unknown Speaker 1:06:45
The stories are true. You're an

Scott Benner 1:06:47
Idaho right now. You're like, I might move to New York. Don't worry. We're gonna eat you alive. But if you can make it then matter, respect. Yeah. My sister in law. First time she came in to visit us from Wisconsin. She'd really never been out of Wisconsin. I picked her up at Newark. And we went out in the parking lot. I know, she won't mind me telling her this, I think. And there's a hotel and then in the Newark airport parking lot. It's maybe 12 or 15 storeys high. And she goes, that's the tallest building I've ever seen. was like, Well, when we get out of this parking lot, your mind is gonna catch on fire when you see the cityscape of New York across the river. And then we went out on the, on the turnpike with, you know, multiple lanes of traffic, everyone going 90 miles an hour, and she was having a full on panic attack in the car. She goes, I've never seen this many cars together at once. I was like, well get ready. Because they're all gonna try to kill us in the next couple of minutes. And we're gonna try to kill them. And it's gonna be fun. It's called commuting. Yeah, we're just trying to get from point A to point B. I don't know why there should be like, major psychological research on this part of the country. But especially like, I mean, Massachusetts rates so cold there. I don't even know how you exist. I'm not tough enough to live in Boston.

Speaker 1 1:08:19
Massachusetts is a cold, dark place. I

Scott Benner 1:08:24
couldn't do it. Like, I mean, I live here. And I'm still like, I don't know. I saw this thing the other day. There's, this is hippie looking guy. Like he could live in Salt Lake with a long beard. And he's like doing his like, Tiktok video and he's like, here's the things you're doing man that are like, messing you up. I'm like, Oh, I'm gonna be doing all these. And sure enough, he's like, you know, like, can't get upset when you're driving, man. You can't and I'm like, Oh, I couldn't smoke enough weed to be as mellow as that guy. Everything he said you shouldn't do I had a really good argument in my head for why I think it's a good thing. Anyway, Dave, all right. Do we know what the baby's gonna be? Not that I'm asking you to say but do we know? Yeah, it's a boy. Oh, wow. Congratulations. Yeah,

Speaker 1 1:09:14
hopefully he's a some sort of professional skier so I can retire early. Well,

Scott Benner 1:09:18
if this kid that you're related to is any indication, are you built like the kid that was in miracle? Yeah, similarly, yeah. Big strong boy. Yeah, I'd like to see your kid do a little Deewan something. Yeah, get you a little money off on college. Maybe for it. That's the goal, right? It's my only goal. Like my son's like, I'm gonna play as soon as the first time I sent that I'm gonna play baseball in college, but I heard was, Oh, I'm gonna save money. Yes, you are, meanwhile, doesn't work out that way. They have all the money that went into getting him to be a college baseball player. Is the money we saved when he went to college.

Speaker 1 1:09:55
Yeah, if he if he was if he has aspirations to play ice hockey are in big trouble such

Scott Benner 1:10:00
an expensive sport, right? The gear, the rink time, you have to part you have to pay for as well, right? Yeah,

Speaker 1 1:10:07
I grew up playing hockey and I took I took a lot of convincing for my parents to find let me do it. And now I absolutely understand why.

Scott Benner 1:10:15
No, and the parents are freezing because they stand outside and it's freezing cold the whole time, like I've been to. My son was working out at Penn once. Yeah, there was also a hockey game going on at the same time, but it was summertime. And the bathroom was in the rink. The bathroom closest to the field we were at was in the rink. And so I walked in there and as soon as you open the door, you're like, oh my god, it's freezing cold there, which is lovely if you're outside, but I looked at the parents. It's a summer month. They're dressed like it's wintertime. Yeah. Boots and jackets and like like, like long johns and watching their kids play ice hockey. And I was like,

Speaker 1 1:10:54
Yeah, I went to I went to boarding school in New York, primarily to play hockey. And we used to have morning practices. The rink was so cold that the water would freeze on your jersey if it spilled out of the water bottle. Yeah, exactly. That. Frozen jersey.

Scott Benner 1:11:10
The heats tough. That time I mentioned where my son went to Atlanta to do that workout is that where he actually and by the way, not where he met the coaches that wanted him to play in college. So he met two of them, but it didn't work out. But there was a day they played two. And after the SEC at the second game, I was I'm not joking, standing up next to a telephone pole. And I was rotating around the telephone pole to keep the sun from hitting me. That's how terrible it was. And humid on top of all that. And I'm just standing there like having a real like, parenting moment where I'm like, I think I should go get him. Like I don't like I don't think this is okay. You know, like, that's how hard it was. And the game ended. And I'm like, are you alright? He's okay, I'm fine. But he wasn't he was like, staring through me. And we had like a rental car with like a Styrofoam like, you know, disposable styrofoam cooler in it and all the of the ice had melted from the day. And we go to the back of the car, my son's kind of back then at least he was he was a little like, demure. Like he wasn't a kid who would just whip off a shirt in front of people and stuff like that, which was always weird to me. I was in such good shape. I was like, if I was in that shape, I wouldn't be wearing a shirt but like, okay, and so he is standing in the parking lot. He looks at me, he looks at the cooler and he goes, Can I have that? And I'm like, Yeah, sure. He takes his pants off, kicks them aside, takes his shirt off. He's standing there in sliding shorts and underwear. He grabs the cooler and picks it up over his head and dumps the freezing cold water over his head. And as it's splashing on my legs, the waters hitting me and it's hot. Oh, no. And I'm like, are you okay? And he goes, I don't know. I'll be okay. I think so. And I was he's like, he was like, really like that. So I'm throwing liquid at him bananas. I'm like, Here, eat this drink this like you got back to the hotel. That air conditioning hit him in the hotel. He fell asleep for hours. And it was the stroke. Oh my god, vicious man. And he gets up the next day. And we went right back to a baseball game. I was like, You love this? I don't love anything that much. I'd be like, I'm sorry. It's hot out here.

Unknown Speaker 1:13:32
Yeah, I'll come back when it's cool. Yeah.

Scott Benner 1:13:35
Would you like to do this in the fall? Because I'd be fine. And then the that week ends with the recruiter from North Carolina, telling him he wasn't tall enough. Great. And it was hard. really heartbreaking. He had played so well that weekend, and he was still young. And he just grew my son. For anybody who cares. He grew a little too late. He kept growing into college. So now he's six feet tall, and you know, was playing at 200 pounds. And, you know, very frequently, opposing coaches would come up to him after games and say, Why are you playing here? Like that would happen to him a lot. And he'd go, I grew in my freshman year, and they'd be like, okay, and he was getting he was getting a great degree. And he we just didn't like people were like, transfer and I'm like, uh, he can't just go get this degree somewhere else. Like he was a little stuck at that point. Yeah, but anyway, that would happen a lot. Like he went out to drive line to train during COVID in Seattle. And he's hitting in a cage one day and one of the instructors comes up to him to tell him you know, he's like, I love your swing, and they're talking about everything. And then my son went over and pitched and through like a 92 mile an hour fastball and the guy grabs him it goes, what college do you go to? And he told him and he goes, why? What happened? And my son just I I grew late and the guy goes, Oh, tough luck. It really really is like that easy. Anyway, I bring that up because he's playing as soft one day and in Georgia this this recruiter comes over to me and he goes That's your son in centerfield. And I said, Yes, he goes, we're interested and I was like, God damn, I looked at his shirt and it said Tar Heels and I was like, honestly Dave I was like we won it's over like this it is you know starts off asking about his grades his grades all line up. He's watching them play out in centerfield. He's like kids amazing. He's like, what a fielder, blah, blah. Such an arm like in that game Cole had Cole hit what was going to be a ball off the wall and right, Senator, excuse me, he played a ball off the wall that was going to be a ball off the wall and in right center field, and he was in center. And instead of it being a ball off the wall, he caught the ball, like going into the fence. And the runner at second was held by the base coach at third. So he was tagging, right? And so on a professional baseball field. My 16 year old son caught a ball in the warning track and right center field. And throughout the runner trying to tag go to third in the air. Oh my god, like the ball was waiting when he got there. Like, like the kid looked up like what the? Yeah, I'm out. Like it was like that, right? Because it will he couldn't even slide the third baseman was holding the ball out in front of him. Can't approach the kids like I don't understand. And then he just gave himself up and it was over. Like that's how how the ball got there. So the the North Carolina guy sees this, and he's like, man, crazy arm, blah, blah, blah. Then later, my son comes in and pitches like a clean inning. And he's like, we're really interested. He's like, I want to talk to him after the game. And I'm just like texting my wife. I'm like, get ready for the baby blues baby. And game ends and I go get cold. And I say hey, there's a guy here wants to talk to you. He's like a coach. I'm like, Hey, he's all excited. And we walk over to him, and we walk up and the guy looks at him and goes, how tall are you? Cold goes, I'm like 510. But I'm still growing. And he goes, I'm sorry. We're not interested.

Speaker 1 1:17:10
Oh my gosh, was that quick? That's actually where my wife went to grad school. Yeah,

Scott Benner 1:17:16
well, I'll tell him. Next time she's there to take a piss on the ball field for me.

Unknown Speaker 1:17:20
We're new fans. So

Scott Benner 1:17:23
well, I am now too. But no. And so my son's like, me, you can imagine he's crestfallen. Right? Like he's like looking like what's happening. And the guy just sort of starts to walk away. And I put my hand on his shoulder and I was like, wait, wait, wait, stop. I'm like, I don't understand what just happened. And he goes, my coach isn't going to put him out there at that height. And I was like, He's growing. I'm like, I'm like, I know. I'm five, nine. I'm like, but every man on my wife side of the family is like six, five, I'm like, he's gonna be over six feet tall. And I'm like, you can just tell like, I mean, we've had his growth plates looked at like, he's nowhere near done. And the guy goes, Man, you're really great ballplayer. He goes, like, but my guy won't put you out there. He's like, he's like, even if I got you through, you'd never play. And it's wild. And I was like, what do we do? And the guy said, he goes, Look, find a bunch of colleges, you want to play baseball at that fit your academic needs. And then look at the rosters and see if they let guys your height play. And he's like, and then target those schools. So we did that. And Cole had 20 offers to play college baseball. And it's awesome. Yeah, like except that a year after he committed he grew two inches. Yeah, right. Told you. Yeah. And then it was just like too late by then. So my 93 mile an hour throwing son, is that a d3 school? And they don't even like, I mean, I don't want to talk about this. But it's not like baseball was wasn't first and foremost. You know what I mean? So you end up playing behind guys whose dad's donated to the building of something and it wasn't as much about baseball, so ended up being a fairly disappointing experience for him, which is, sucks, but is the truth. So anyway, now we talked forever, Dave, and I'm getting texts from Arden that just says, I'm hungry. I responded back to her when you were in college, you fed yourself and she's like, but I'm home now.

Unknown Speaker 1:19:29
Yeah, you know, it's sometimes it when it's dinnertime, I'm like, you know, I don't feel like doing math right now. Can you just make a bowl and guess how many units I mean?

Scott Benner 1:19:40
Like, your wife's an angel? Yeah,

Unknown Speaker 1:19:42
we'll do five and we'll go from there.

Scott Benner 1:19:43
You know, if she was from Boston, and you were from North Carolina, and you said that she'd be like, no. Yeah, just looking at your cross. That'd be the end of it. Yeah, Dave, I appreciate you doing this with me. Thank you very much.

Unknown Speaker 1:19:56
Yeah, no problems. Good time.

Scott Benner 1:19:57
Yeah, hold on a second. I

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