#1077 Crash Course Road Trip

Jason's son has type 1 diabetes.

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Scott Benner 0:00
Hello friends, and welcome to episode 1077 of the Juicebox Podcast.

Today on the podcast I'll be speaking with Jason. He's the father of a 13 year old living with type one diabetes, after an acquaintance noticed that Noah looked a little thin, everything began. While you're listening today, please remember that nothing you hear on the Juicebox Podcast should be considered advice, medical or otherwise, always consult a physician before making any changes to your health care plan. Were becoming bold with insulin. couple of brief announcements beginning next week on Monday, brand new Omni pod five content remember the Pro Tip series for the Omnipod five. These three new episodes will be an extension of that content beginning in your podcast players on December 11. Make sure you're subscribed or following right now so you don't miss anything. For those of you who are already subscribed in Apple podcasts, the new iOS 17 has messed up your downloads possibly please take a look and make sure that you're set up correctly so that you'll hear the podcast go to the show in your library. Go up to the top right hit the three little dots, then down to Settings, then automatic downloads and choose all new episodes. This episode of The Juicebox Podcast is sponsored by touched by type one touched by type one.org fantastic organization helping people with type one diabetes, and all they want you to do is know about them. Find them on Facebook, Instagram, and at touched by type one.org. The podcast is also sponsored today by Omni pod Omni pod.com/juice box head over there now and get yourself an omni pod five, or an omni pod dash, where the same tubeless insulin pump that my daughter has been wearing since she was four years old, where an omni pod. The show is also sponsored today by cozy Earth. Cozy Earth makes the best sheets and towels and clothing that I've ever worn. I mean soft and quality and temperate like never too hot, never too cold. Fantastic stuff. And the best news here is that at cozy earth.com All you have to do to save 40% is use the offer code juice box at checkout use juice box at checkout at cozy earth.com to save 40% off of your entire order.

Jason 2:40
My name is Jason, father of a type one diabetic who just turned 13 years old. Noah and we live in northeast Texas, due east of Dallas in a town called Tyler.

Scott Benner 2:54
Noah is 13 Yes

Jason 2:56
just turned 13 in January has had diabetes for

Scott Benner 3:00
a couple years now.

Jason 3:01
Couple of years.

Scott Benner 3:02
Okay. Is there anyone else in the family with autoimmune stuff?

Jason 3:06
Not that we're aware of. So to say it took us by surprise is an understatement. He has we have an older sister, who was 16. She has no autoimmune issues. And then of course my wife, no history in her family that we're aware of?

Scott Benner 3:24
Nothing for you.

Jason 3:26
Nothing for me. Okay.

Scott Benner 3:28
How did his diabetes present to you?

Jason 3:33
So, he had started complaining about constantly being thirsty to my wife for a couple of weeks. He was getting up to go to the bathroom quite a bit at night, again, was telling my wife about this. I'll never forget we actually had some of our friends. He's a baseball player. So we were playing a lot of travel ball at the time. And our friends actually commented on his appearance to me and said he just he doesn't look like himself. And that's when I finally woke up a little bit and took a good look at him. And realize he does look kind of puny. He lost some weight. All of this in complete denial I attributed to he's going through a growth spurt. Finally, there was one night where he actually wet the bed. And that had not happened in 10 years, probably 10 years sometimes, right? It's like, oh, that's definitely a red flag we had already. Well, my wife had already booked a doctor's appointment for him on Thursday and we got them to bump it up to Monday when he got the results.

Scott Benner 4:42
When the when the friends mentioned that he looks smaller. Did you notice anything in his performance in baseball was he slower getting tired not hitting the ball as far as stuff like that?

Jason 4:54
Not particularly in his baseball performance. He he definitely seemed a little more tired, you know, after games, he just he seemed a little puny. But then when they made the comment, and I looked at him, I was like, he does look really pale. Like, it's coloring just was not right. And I really didn't notice, you know just how skinny he was looking. Definitely he was not that he's, he's a pretty happy kid. But he was a little grouchy here. Back in those days as well, once

Scott Benner 5:26
you began to see it, could you put a timeframe on it? How long do you think it had been going on?

Jason 5:31
My estimate is maybe six weeks. But that's just that's just my estimate of it. It could be two or three months, or it could have just been two or three weeks. When

Scott Benner 5:42
you see all this you call a doctor, eventually you go to a hospital, how do you handle it?

Jason 5:47
So we went to his primary care physician, who we've known for many, many years, he gave us the news, and basically said, you know, bad news, good news, bad news. So the good news is, it can be a lot worse. But the bad news is, is you definitely have diabetes, send us on to an endocrinologist who we saw the same day. We were very lucky. And we wit about a 10 minute drive from his office to our new endocrinologists office. That's where it was confirmed that it was diabetes. They did think it was probably type one, they ran all the tests to confirm that. And Scott, we never went to the hospital. It was quiet one day, one day, we were normal. And the next day, we had seen two doctors and a diabetes educator and we're learning how to treat type one diabetes with home that same day.

Scott Benner 6:41
What was his blood sugar that day? You know,

Jason 6:44
it was off the charts. I want to say that's a that I think is a one C was like 14. Wow. They did that. And I think he was on the for hundreds, maybe a blood sugar. Did

Scott Benner 6:57
they start him on insulin right there in the office? Yes. So they inject they injected a Basal insulin? And did they correct his blood sugar as well? Or how did they handle the I'm interested in how they brought his blood sugar down in the office? And then what they told you to do in the first days.

Jason 7:14
Right? So they started us off MBI we actually did the first injection together with the diabetes educator. And then they went through, you know, basil and Bolus and multiple daily injections. I immediately started asking about technology, because I knew there was some available. You know, they were I would say they're pretty conservative in their approach. I know that's probably no surprise, I think a lot of in those are. And they said that that would come you know, later down the road. I think the back then it was your wait, you know, about three to four months before you get a CGM. And then maybe at six months to a year we can start talking pomps I started advocating a lot quicker than that, which I'm talking about a little bit later that day, though, yes, we did a correction dose together. You'll love this his first meal because I immediately thought we're gonna have to change his entire diet. His first meal, literally, in the diabetes educators office was a cheeseburger from water burger, which is his absolute favorite.

Scott Benner 8:25
Well, what what was his level of? I mean, he's 11. Right when this happens, so Right. Is he shocked? Is the like, what's the like, kind of psychological feedback you're getting from him in the moment?

Jason 8:38
I think we all were shocked. I don't think he really knew how to process it. What exactly what was happening? I think he he knew it was big. And that, you know, it was gonna be some changes happening. But yeah, the first few days, I think we were all just in shock. For sure.

Scott Benner 8:58
That's crazy. How do you find me?

Jason 9:00
I think it was through Facebook. I should know the answer to that.

Scott Benner 9:05
But not really.

Jason 9:09
Yeah, I wouldn't say it was Facebook.

Scott Benner 9:13
But were you looking? Are you looking for something? Yes.

Jason 9:16
Okay. Yeah. I mean, I was looking around, I think I'd seen a couple of other, you know, diabetes groups on Facebook. I think I read across you guys. And Scott had never listened to a podcast in my life. As usual, I'm about 1010 years behind the world on some of this stuff. But I remember listening to your show, and just thinking, wow, that made it digestible, to talk about, you know, diabetes. I discovered the show and what to say we were it was definitely a year after diagnosis, I want to say is more like 1617 months.

Scott Benner 9:54
That's not long at all.

Jason 9:58
Yeah, but after it. I have a little jealous when I see newly diagnosed people that found you within the first month. But because we were a little bit I mean, we have a great Endo, I have nothing but praise for our endo and our diabetes educator. But we were still just kind of lost at sea at times. As soon as we started listening to your podcast, things started changing for us rapidly. I'm glad to hear

Scott Benner 10:24
that he was diagnosed during so people whose kids don't play travel sports like it blurs together like Was this the spring season? The summer season or the false?

Jason 10:35
Yeah, I guess typically, it was the spring season. And we kept playing.

Scott Benner 10:39
Yeah, that's what I was going to ask us. You headed into the heat of the year then and kept playing? Oh, yes. Was that more difficult? In the beginning, it

Jason 10:48
was I mean, we're still learning something every single day. But yes, we learned quickly that heat could affect him. Dehydration, took me a while to learn that one. But dehydration could affect him. And of course, again, we were, you know, MDI, at first, we really started pushing for a CGM. And luckily, his diagnosis date was February 9 of 2021. And I think it was March, it was about a month later. I talked our a doe into prescribing a Dexcom. To us. And that, that opened up the world big time.

Scott Benner 11:29
Yeah. Until then, you just, I don't know how to put it exactly. It's the same way yet. It's like when I let my we don't have a fence around our property. And I just said property like I have 20 acres, it's my yard. But we don't have a fence around our backyard. So we sort of my I'm in the middle of two. Obviously, there's a neighbor on my left and neighbor on my right. And the three of us we made a gentleman's agreement a long time ago not to fence in the property. So when you walk outside, you get this very wide open, you know, more open feeling because there's just no sight lines, like knocking down when you look out, you know, I look into my neighbor's backyard, it feels like it's mine. Anyway, every time I let my dog out, I have that feeling. I'm like, I wonder if this is gonna go the way I wanted to. Is he gonna wander off? Am I going to be in my neighbor's backyard? Five minutes go go and remember when we said we wouldn't put up fences? I bet you regret that. Or you know, like I just when Arden was first playing softball with diabetes. I mean, I didn't know what was happening. And you know, you added a CGM and back then I mean, was that the Dexcom? I don't know seven plus, which I know people are like but the seven is just the ultimate know their numbering system was off in the beginning it was like Dexcom seven plus then it went to I don't know I forget G four than G five anyway point is a lot of generations ago. And even that thing was you know, it did its best but it it liked a little bit and I just remember never feeling like I knew what I was knowing what I was doing. And oh yeah, you know, it's just it's a terrible feeling. He didn't know um, it sounds like you're very involved in his blood sugar's and helping him so which is great, but I'm what I'm saying is like you're you shouldering a lot of the concern while he's being active and doing his things. I sleep on cozy Earth sheets. I aware cozy Earth, joggers and sweatshirts, and I dry my bits off after every shower with a cozy Earth waffle towels. And you may be thinking, yeah, sure, Scott. Well, they gave you that stuff because you do ads for them. They gave me some of it. A lot of it. I bought on my own with my money, and the offer code juicebox at checkout, I saved 40% on the sweat pants I'm wearing right now using my offer code. I saved 40% On a second pair of sheets that I bought using the offer code juice box at checkout. This stuff is high quality, incredibly comfortable. It washes well it wears well. It sleeps well. It dries well. Cozy earth.com use the offer code juice box at checkout to save 40%

Jason 14:15
Oh, definitely. I am the two of us. I am the most OCD. And I have always tried to stay on top of things, particularly when he's playing sports but even throughout the day, tried to tighten up the range that we have set for him. And I have been told that I might be a little overly competitive. So it's a it's almost a competition to see how I how low I can get his blood sugar's in a healthy range, of course. But yeah, I keep an eye on it. My wife she does a lot as well. But as far as keeping an eye on blood sugars and using text messaging, which thank you for that suggestion. back and forth throughout school. It's a lifesaver to make sure that he's, you know, watching his numbers himself. I, I kind of take the lead on that. Yeah,

Scott Benner 15:10
that that that one bit me this weekend I gave, I gave a three day talk at a private event this weekend for people of the Orthodox Jewish faith. And a lot of a lot of them don't use technology. In some of them, even if they have a phone. It's just a flip phone, right? And I'm standing in front of like, 400 people, and somebody says, What's your best advice for helping a child? And I was like, text messaging. And then I went, and I was like, Hold on, I'll come up with something different. Give me a second.

Jason 15:44
Put you on the spot. I

Scott Benner 15:46
think I can't just reach into my bag of tricks and say my thing. But anyway, we we kept talking and we thought about other ways to handle it. I mean, honestly, that's, that's my honest first thought, What's the most? I mean, aside from how to deliver insulin, or a CGM, you know, what's the, what's the best technology for managing a child with type one, I think is texting. So yeah,

Jason 16:12
we also, we say recently, it's been about six months now I purchased him an Apple watch, because a lot of times I would text him and his phone would either be in his locker or it'd be in his back pocket. And he just, you know, didn't realize that texted and now we actually have text messages coming through to his Apple Watch. And it's been amazing the difference that's made as far as at least getting a thumbs up in recognition of me texting him.

Scott Benner 16:38
So I think it's nice that you get a thumbs up, I get stop. But at least they

Jason 16:45
are a little older. So I'm sure those days are coming for for me and no. It might be worse than stop. Yeah.

Scott Benner 16:53
At least I know. At least I know. She sees it. Yeah, I mean, I don't know like it's not gonna be fuck off one day.

Jason 17:03
All of those are confirmation. Honestly, I don't care what you say back.

Scott Benner 17:08
That's all I care about. Honestly. You could send a letter a diet. I mean, unless it's like, unless it looks like you're trailing off while you're touching the keys. Then maybe I'm gonna need an actual word. That's amazing. So you got a CGM before a pump?

Jason 17:24
Yes, yes, we we got the CGM. You'll love this. So we love traveling. Big time, travel as much as possible. And we, again diagnosed February 9, our spring break I want to say was we'll just say mid March. So five weeks later, we were I think we received the Dexcom. Two days before we left to go on our trip. And we flew from Texas, to Charleston. And then we road tripped both the Carolinas, Virginia, West Virginia, Kentucky, and then flew back home from Nashville. So to say it was a trial by fire. Learning the CGM. We learned how to use it on the road. Wow. By

Scott Benner 18:10
the way that that trip almost was the John Denver song. I think

Jason 18:15
we may have been seeing a few of his students while we were traveling through the Blue Ridge.

Scott Benner 18:20
I mean, it would seem appropriate. So you're on a plane, and then in a rental vehicle, even like not even your car, right and figuring out well, at least you're in close quarters of probably. I mean, I don't know, did it make it easier? Or I guess the other

Jason 18:34
good point it it really. It definitely did not hurt things so that we were all together. We learned very quickly. I think it was our first night in Charleston. We had probably third day with the actual Dexcom G six. We had, I believe it was pizza for dinner, because clearly we're on a health kick with some of our diet choices here. And then we had ice cream for dessert. And I want to say we had the ice cream around seven to 8pm. That was a long night.

Scott Benner 19:06
Like 330 in the morning.

Jason 19:10
High long after high bar testing for keto. It was yes, we learned something very valuable that day. If you're going to eat that stuff, maybe lunchtime is a better choice.

Scott Benner 19:22
Do you think Arden shouldn't have changed her CGM for the first time from G six to G seven by herself last night at midnight? Because that's what I was telling her the whole evening. You could just do it now. You could just do it now. You know, okay,

Jason 19:37
what she's saying it's only a 30 minute warm up. That's gonna make it all better.

Scott Benner 19:40
How about I'm getting a FaceTime at like, one o'clock in the morning. Am I doing this right? showing me the sensor on FaceTime. I'm like what is happening? Exactly. And she's like, is this like, just push it down like this and then push them I'm like, Yeah, I can think was I'm never going to sleep.

Jason 20:03
Yeah, we, we have started doing Dexcom sensor changes. We used to do them in the evenings and we switched to first thing in the mornings. I like having the entire day. I mean, priority and Olympic for school, of course, I like having the entire day to see how it's going to function. Because just like you've said many times, you know, the first few hours can be a little wonky, which I think that might be the first time I've ever used the term walkie in my life. But

Scott Benner 20:32
I'm glad I can add to your you're expanding my vocabulary choices are just drifting. Where do you see all the Yiddish? I learned my thing this weekend? You're gonna get you're gonna get mad later on the podcast. And I was able to like check on some of my pronunciations. Anyway, here's as good as anywhere else. Yes. And so the we're doing meals, right. So one of the things we did this weekend, which was very interesting was they would bring us meals up and the food was just very different stuff I had never seen before in a lot of cases. And they wanted us, me and the other person who were presenting over the weekend, like just guessed these carbs, like tell us what you think. So I get this bowl, it has beans in it, and then there's a thing on top of it. I don't even know how to describe it. And I put my fork in it and held it up. And I'm in front of a room of 200 people eating their meal. I'm like, What's this? And I hear Kiska Kiska. I'm like it's a Kiska? Yes. And then somebody comes over they say it's flour. It's pressed together. There's oil in it, they explain it. And I'm like, Okay, I put it down. And then it hits me. And I turn to the BMC. And I go, Well, if that's a Kiska, then where does the term eating my kitchen because outcome from so the room explodes and laughter because I don't really know what I'm saying. You know what I mean? Like, I just have these couple of Yiddish terms. I know. I don't really know them. Anyway, after everyone stopped. It was very interesting about what a kiss case. And I guess the carbs pretty correctly. So I was really, really thrilled with myself. I'm sorry, I got myself off track. Well, I had a question about the about the trip. You wouldn't have known about being sedentary and higher blood sugars without the CGM. That's right. You figure that out in the car. I imagine. I don't

Jason 22:16
know if we even figured it out that quickly. Just how activity. I mean, again, we were six weeks post diagnosis. So we really didn't at that point know about steel versus exercising or even just walking about even exercising just being active versus being still and how much that can affect diabetes. Yeah, that that came later on as well.

Scott Benner 22:39
Well, the reason it made me like it kind of popped in my head was, I mean, let's say my son grew up playing baseball in New Jersey. And it was incredibly competitive, and year round. And I'm imagining, it's worse than Texas. So like, I bet your kids moving constantly, almost. And then all of a sudden, you're sitting still, that's what that's what made it pop. For me.

Jason 23:03
I think we learned more on that. We are also big Disney fans, and try to go to the parks on a pretty regular basis. It's kind of hard, hard to go super regular when you live in Texas. Just all the walking and those parks, I think that's where the lightbulb kind of started going off for me is you know, while it's such a difference between dosing when I know he's going to be you know, inside on a rainy day playing video games, or watching movies versus, you know, walking 10 miles in a day, riding all the rides.

Scott Benner 23:36
Yeah, Disney is such an interesting example of, of craziness. Because all the walking, you know, driving your blood sugar down, and then you could experience adrenaline bursts, and then go and then bursts and then gone. So these two things, they could almost counterbalance each other and then whatever happens last is where you end up.

Jason 23:58
For sure and adrenaline for him. He is a pitcher. So a lot of the baseball games he's playing and pitching and I noticed very quickly that when he was pitching, which he loves to pitch is a journalist would get going and he would just inevitably start skyrocketing. So I started dosing before games where I knew he was gonna pitch and then games where he was just playing the field. He might go up some but he wasn't gonna go up as high because his adrenaline button is high.

Scott Benner 24:30
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Jason 26:29
Definitely, yes, yeah, practice. We don't really worry about practice and dosing. It's when those competitive juices get going and you're about to face your opponent. That's when he normally starts going high. Now,

Scott Benner 26:41
the good news there is if he still pitches and isn't a starter, at least from the stands, you'll know when he's getting ready to go in.

Jason 26:47
Right?

Scott Benner 26:50
You'll hear a beep turn to your wife, you go hey, I know is about the pitch. That's right. Do you know it my son's freshman year of college. It was very much at the end of his the first season. And they traveled out of state pretty far actually to play a conference rival. And at that point, they were basically like neck and neck to win the division. And game one comes my son's a freshman. They did not play freshmen regularly. I think he had a handful of at bats. And I think through a few pitches and a couple of games right. And like we did games, they didn't trust him or even didn't even know him. So my wife and I we drive it's like a four hour drive for us to this place. We spend the night we get up we come to the game. We're just there to support them. Honestly, don't expect to see them play out the fourth or fifth inning. My wife who knows not a ton about baseball leans over to me and she says I hope we're getting rid of this starter. He's he's falling apart. And I was like, Yeah, well, if my wife sees it, then I'm assuming we've all seen it. And so like I'm like, Yeah, you're right. And not that she's silly. She just doesn't love baseball the same way. And I look way down left field, the bullpen is just so far away. I kind of can't even see I'm like, Well, we have somebody going, you know, like few minutes later that somebody was cold coming running up the left. And I'm like, wait, what's going on, like my son who showed up at college to play centerfield and maybe pitched in high school, you know, 610 times and travel every once in a while but hasn't like, it still does has a really good arm. And the next thing I know in like a tie game, he's walking out in the field. And I get your blood sugar's were. My blood sugars are going up is exactly

Jason 28:40
the Dexcom. While you're testing it out, you can see.

Scott Benner 28:44
So I'm usually I'm very pragmatic. So a bunch of parents are looking at me and they're like, are you nervous? I'm like, No, and they're like, why not? I'm like, I wouldn't have put him in there. This is a mistake. Neither I nor he is responsible for this horrible coaching error. But he actually got through three innings, he didn't give up a run in three innings. So Oh, that's awesome. It was pretty cool.

Jason 29:08
I received the same question at a junior high baseball game just about a couple of months ago. And I had the same answer that I almost felt a little bad for giving the answer. I didn't want to come off as arrogant or anything but a couple of fathers asked me he's like, are you nervous? Know what's going on? It's like, No, I'm not he's either gonna perform or he's not. There's literally nothing I could do right now. Except watch him and hope that he performs well. Jason. That's it. I'm

Scott Benner 29:34
actually heartwarming by that response. Because I mean, to say that my kids were around a lot of competitiveness as young people is an understatement. And I am fairly competitive person. As a matter of fact, we could easily like shift this conversation to how I love the podcast is popular and how hard how hard I work at keeping it that way. I've always Like, since I was little, like, since my kids were little excuse me, I would pull Cole aside before a game in when he was little little, and I'd get down on his level and I'd give him a hug. And I'd say, I love you. Just do your best. Doesn't matter if you guys win or lose. You know, like, I've always given him that perspective as a young person growing up, and then that kind of just morphed into I love you have a good game, like that kind of stuff. But he knew going in there. Baseball is to get better at baseball. It's like, like, it's not about winning today. I always the thing I always think is, who won the World Series Two years ago? Who won the Super Bowl five years ago? You don't know? Right? You know, you have no idea because it's as corny as it sounds like it's the journey, not the destination kind of stuff. And, um, it's a little kid, like, what are you going to do send them out there thinking the weight of the world rides on whether or not they do something that's fairly impossible. You know. And so, the only time when he was recruiting for college, the first big recruiting thing he went to, we were driving to it, and we had this like, kind of long conversation, which I'm sure he hated. But you know, Screw him, I made a man in charge. And I said, your whole life I've been telling you like, just to get better for later. But this is later. I'm like, This is it. Like, you got to go perform now. Like, go do it. Go go do your thing right now. Leave it all out there, whatever, coaching father euphemism that you can have like this, is it like, you don't impress these people? It's done. It's over. So go give them everything you have. You know, that's awesome. Yeah. And I think what it did was it just kept a couple things that kept his sensibility about what he was doing in check. And at the same, like, you know what I mean, like, he didn't walk around thinking, I'm doing this very important thing. He didn't have the sense of like, baseballs more than it really is. It's something he loved to do that he was good at. And he wanted to keep doing it. So I mean, that's the perspective I tried to give him. If I tell that story, nine out of 10 times the other people, fathers, mothers, actually, ladies, sometimes the mothers more than the fathers. No one under mostly, no one understands that it's just, you know,

Jason 32:26
I'm not about please write plagiarism. And I may be stealing what you said there. And using that in the future. Because I love it. That's awesome.

Scott Benner 32:34
And it helped them in college too. Because even when he got to college, and then they're like, whoa, you know, freshmen aren't gonna play that much. And then you don't even realize that they'll still be politics in college. I mean, I don't know. In hindsight, why the hell I didn't realize that, but it was worse. It was the worst I'd ever experienced and Little League was terrible. And high school was a mess, and everybody just fighting for their kids and arguing and jockeying for positions. I watched a woman one time, I've never told the story here. I think my kids, the kids were 11. And they were now in getting ready. So they were basically setting the team to try to get to the Little League World Series the following year. And my son had always played the outfield, and just was very adept at it and came naturally to him a strong arm that kind of stuff could really track a ball. But the second baseman on the team was terrible. And so the coach came to me one day before an all star practice and said we're going to move cold a second and and see how that goes. And I'm like, okay, and I think they were just trying to bring the athletic people into onto the field into the infield a little more. And, and he did very well. And that was it. After the game it was announced colts gonna be playing second base, blah, blah, blah. And I'm walking off the field with him, telling them how proud I am of him asking him what he thinks about the shift and positions. And then we hear it from I am not lying to you. 80 yards away under a tree. A woman screaming her head off at the coach in his face pointing in his chest screaming at him. And we showed up the next day for practice that my son was not playing second base anymore. Wow. I watched the year before a group of parents call a meeting and fire the coach. As I stood in the corner going, What in the fuck is happening? Exactly? What is wrong with all of you? How many mental illnesses are in this room? A lovely man who had been coaching those kids since he was six since they were six. And they're like you're out. Like out what he comes Every practice, what do we argue about? My wife will tell you to this day my wife works in a corporate situation. She said it was the most vicious collection of people in a meeting she's ever seen in her life. She's in the corporate world. That's awesome. I swear to God, my wife works in pharma. And she's like, this is the most vicious thing I've ever seen in my entire life.

Jason 35:21
That's funny. Conforming myself, do you really? Yeah. Yeah.

Scott Benner 35:25
My Well, Larry, my wife does drug safety.

Jason 35:27
Okay, yeah. I mean, immunizations. So I'll do are not all of them. But many of the routine pediatric immunizations I

Scott Benner 35:36
represent. Oh, that's really cool. How did you end up in that space? Totally fell into it.

Jason 35:43
I was working at Xerox of all places, shortly after I college. And I had a person that I've still have never met to this day, reached out to me, Headhunter and asked about my water interview with a pharmaceutical company. And it's the best decision I've ever made, never looked back.

Scott Benner 35:59
My wife wanted to be a doctor and couldn't afford to apply to medical school. So she used her biology degree to to get Kelly Services job, it was actually attempt with a temp job. Okay, so Kelly does regular services. They also do Scientific Services. I don't know if they do anymore. This is a very, I'm very old. This is a very long time ago.

Jason 36:18
I think we're the same age are very close. Yeah. So

Scott Benner 36:21
then your old two and

Jason 36:26
50 in July? Yeah, I've gotten it

Scott Benner 36:28
now. I'm gonna be 52 in July. So I've got a little bit. Okay. But But anyway, she, you know, took that job and was good at it and enjoyed it. It's odd, like, I would almost describe what she does now, as a job they would give an attorney. It's a lot of reading laws and making sure people are compliant doing what they're supposed to do. So all the all the stuff that's made for the patients like that stuff that my wife oversees that kind of thing. Okay, yeah. So, but anyway, it's not the point. Anyway, that lady screaming on that field was the maybe first in a long line of crazy people who somehow thought that no matter what age this was, their kid, I mean, it's the old joke, right? They all thought their kids were gonna go play for the Yankees. Right? You know, and, I mean, I mean, good for them for believing in their children and everything and whatnot. But I mean, I was watching them play, and I was like, Oh, your kid doesn't run the straight line. I don't think this is gonna work out, you know, I've ever seen anyone run before. Doesn't look like that, you know. But I'm glad the kid loves baseball and all, you know, and of that team. My son was a runt on that team, really at that he was smaller. Three kids that played on that baseball team eventually played in college, one of them never gotten to a game. The other one gave up a jack on ESPN that went so far, he was not in the school, six days later. Never saw ball goes so far, so fast, or a head dropped down so heavy. And then literally not in school the next week, like they must have pulled him aside and been like, we made a mistake. And then my son played for four years. And my point isn't about him. My point is that if you would have went back to those 12 year old kids, and said, you know, here, I'm gonna give you $50,000 Go ahead and bet on four of them that will make it to college. You wouldn't have picked my kid never once. So my point is, is that acting like you know, what's gonna happen is a fairly large mistake. Right? Yeah. Kids a monster. Jason and then right on, you know, they mean, you won the genetic lottery. Because I'll tell you what, big and a little like, can swing a bat. Someone's gonna give it a shot. So Right. Yeah. How about your son is a huge is he little is he where's he playing on the

Jason 38:58
field? He plays, catch. They've had them all over the place, he normally would play in a third base or in the outfield, because he can throw pretty well and could get the ball from the outfield to first base and all that junior high. He was in seventh grade this year. And I mean, they had him. I think he almost played every position at one point he didn't catch but he played second base. He played short. He played left field centerfield right field first base. I mean, my wife and I were cracking up. Because we never knew if he wasn't pitching, it was flip a coin on where they're going to put him this particular game. I think he he prefers third base, or the outfield? Yeah. So or he really prefers pitching. But of course, can't pitch every game.

Scott Benner 39:46
And by the way, don't just write Yeah, you're gonna come along a guy at some point there's going to be a coach who you have to be there's two things I know for sure about children's sports. Okay, eventually You will play for a person who does not care about the health of your child. And it is up to you to have the balls to stand up to that. And and the second thing I guess I know for sure is, what the hell was I gonna say, Oh, my God is the thing that I say constantly about baseball. And now it just fell right out of my head. I talked myself right out of my thought, Jason, this is embarrassing. That's 50 to say, Oh, my God, you know what they say? You know,

Jason 40:30
he's got I don't have this problem at 49.

Scott Benner 40:36
I do it all the time. Don't worry. It'll pop up in my head, like 10 minutes from now. I'll be like that other thing about baseball? That's right. Oh, I'm sorry. You have to know yourself. If you look around a travel team. And you can't tell who the check is. You're the check. So some kids are there to play, and some kids are there. So the coaches can make money. But you got to know if you're the check. That's very, very important point. Yeah, that's a good point. That means you can't play by the way, just on that team. If you're the check, you're not gonna play. Right. So anyway, but that's a sad statement. And a million 1,000,000%. But it was truth. Yeah. Oh, it's 100%. True. You don't know who the check is? It's you. Anyway, okay. So how do you think Noah is dealing with all this?

Jason 41:35
I think he has been a champ. From the get go. I mean, I've just been amazed at how he has stepped up and just kind of take things in stride. I think the email I sent you a while back, just thanking you. I mentioned that, you know, my wife and I went through mourning that we've we went through all the stages of grief, because it was just such a shock. And such a change, though, he just kind of took them all at random. I'm not saying it was perfect, you know, every single day. And he did have a few moments here and there of, you know, some tears and not wanting to be a type one diabetic. For the most part, he took it much better than we did initially. And I've just been amazed at how he's doing and how he's learning more and more. I'm kind of walking the line right now, trying to let him be a kid as much as possible, but also realizing, you know, he's a teenager, and he's got to start, you know, taking a little bit of ownership, as the next few years go by, and kind of learn to make adjustments on his own. So I've been kind of relinquishing a little bit of control to him. And so far, he's he's doing a pretty good job

Scott Benner 42:58
with it. Good for him. That's excellent. How are you doing with letting go of it? As you're doing this?

Jason 43:03
So far? Pretty good. Of course, that's me evaluating myself.

Scott Benner 43:11
Jason, are you? Are you the check in you don't know it.

Jason 43:15
Might be. So I think so far pretty good. He has some days, they're better than others. And that's just the way it's going to be. But yeah, it's almost a little bit of a weight off my shoulders all the days that he does. I mean, here lately, he's actually started proactively texting me. When he gets an alarm, and he's good, like high or he sees that he's going low. Just saying got it, or overdosed. And that definitely makes me feel great. Saying that.

Scott Benner 43:50
I will tell the truth and say that art in leaving for college has been good for me.

Jason 44:00
And has been good for you. Yeah,

Scott Benner 44:02
I don't mean. I don't mean because I don't know. Maybe I don't know exactly how it's been good so far. But, I mean, it's on her now. Like when she's gone. It's on her. And so there are times that whether I'm cognizant of it or not, I'm not thinking about her diabetes at all.

Jason 44:22
Right. And it's, it's forced you to Yeah, let go a little bit. Yeah. Yeah.

Scott Benner 44:29
I don't even know if it's letting go. It's it was taken from me. Like there's nothing I can do about it. You know, I mean, she was leaving, and I was like, I can't live here on the floor in the hallway. So I guess I gotta go. And not that I wanted to, but I mean, it's, I don't know. It's just it's different now, but I can tell you this. Every time I see her while she's gone, or every time she comes home, her first and only desire and wishes. Hey, could you do does take care of my blood sugar tonight. So first thing she says like, I just want to sleep overnight.

Jason 45:06
Wow, okay.

Scott Benner 45:06
It reminds me a little bit of this. I was listening to something, by the way, don't take this as details. I although isn't even going to take anything after details after I couldn't remember the cheque analogy five minutes ago, but people are gonna be like, Why am I listening to this? He's been saying the thing his whole life and he doesn't know what it is. I saw this conversation people were talking about that having a child with needs. A chronically ill child can like, metabolically age you up, like 10 years, or something like that as a parent. And so there's part of you that's, that that's tempted to say, well, you know, she's off to college now. So hopefully, that'll be good for me. But then I don't know how the next thought in your head isn't. But now this all just shifted on to her. Like, so if it's 10 years for the parent of what's the impact on the person? Right, you know, and then you get into that space in your head where you're like, Okay, well, I'll trade the last 10 years of my life, so she doesn't have to do this sooner. Like, and that's how it feels to me. I mean, I didn't think life was gonna be fair, Jason, but I didn't think but I would have to make a Cognizant decision to give away the end of my life. I don't smoke. So I guess maybe that'll maybe helped me a little bit on the other side. But it's in my head, because I brought it up this weekend at the thing that a lot of good research says that children with diabetes benefit significantly from parental assistance into their mid 20s. So, you know, anyway, so you're handing off a thing that you're not really giving away. But yet he has to feel like it's his without being overwhelmed. And without, you know, quietly ignoring it, not telling you, if there's just there's a lot of balls up in the air on this one. I

Jason 47:00
guess there are Yeah, it is a juggling act, to say the least. One thing that I've been struggling with a little bit, as far as dosing him, I've wanted to get your input on. While hard he was in school and at home is consistently after lunch. He's experiencing highs, and I'm saying, we Pre-Bolus You know, 15 minutes before he eats, and then it'll eat and inevitably he starts going up to 151 80. I mean, even to the two hundreds, many times. Yeah. So I'm trying to figure out what we should start adding more insulin to help bring it out to further complicate the issue. He has PE after lunch. Some days, it is two hours after lunch. Some days. It is one hour after lunch. It's staggered. I

Scott Benner 47:53
want I once told a principal, I said you know you and I aren't married. Why are you torturing me? Exactly. I was like, there's already a lady handling that. You don't need to do it. So why does she eat and go right outside to recess? Could she not go to recess before? Or how about an hour later? Or how about this? Why is Why is lunch? Right before? Jim? What are you doing today?

Jason 48:20
Luckily, the lunchtime is consistent. Oh, today the week? That's nice. Oh, he is staggered.

Scott Benner 48:26
How about for years? Arden had two different lunches every week. There was one that was an hour sooner than the Oh good. Gosh. Cal Kelly's got this covered. You don't need to try to kill me too. There are plenty of good women on it. You don't you're like What are you doing to me? So okay, so he's going into is he eating the food at school? Or is he bringing food?

Jason 48:54
bringing food except one day a week? They provide food. So typically, it's fast food Chick fil A or what? A burger, something super healthy like that. Well, he brings that or they provide that. They provide that really at a school. So yeah, well, I say they provide that we purchased that. Let me clarify. Yes, we purchase one meal a week for him and that he takes his own lunch and he's really consistent with the lunches he takes each day. Typically it's a turkey sandwich. While I'm at a couple of sides. Jason

Scott Benner 49:26
Your Texas freedom stands aside, I was eating tater tots that tasted like cotton balls and pizza that tastes like cardboard when I was in high school. So I

Jason 49:35
remember the pizza very well. The sad thing is Scott we got excited about pizza. Oh my god. It's the best day of my life.

Greg Taylor, huge sheet pan of pizza. You would have thought Yeah, I thought it was Christmas. Yeah,

Scott Benner 49:49
slightly. I always thought of his catch up with oregano on cardboard with cheese that didn't melt. How do you make cheese that doesn't melt when it's brought the high temperatures? I'll tell you how it's Styrofoam. That's how it's why I can't lose weight my 50s I'm pretty sure that I metabolically right there with you. So he, I'm sorry, let's start off he is Pre-Bolus thing for the lunch? Yes,

Jason 50:15
yeah, he's Pre-Bolus thing. And maybe we need to Pre-Bolus a little earlier.

Scott Benner 50:19
How long? How long has it been? It's typically

Jason 50:22
about 15 minutes before he so he'll Pre-Bolus at 1130. And then he starts lunch at like, 45.

Scott Benner 50:28
Is he rising and staying high and needs more insulin to come down? Or is he spiking and dropping on his own?

Jason 50:35
No, typically, he is rising and staying high. But on the days where he has PE sooner, a lot of times, that will break him down. With either no additional insulin or edible added insulin. The days where p is longer after lunch. Typically, he has to do a pretty significant correction. And then many times we correct a little too much he goes to PE and then all of a sudden he's fighting the load. Yeah. So it's, it's been interesting. I always have them have Skittles in his pocket for PE just so he's prepared, you know? Yeah,

Scott Benner 51:12
sure. He's thrilled with that. But I take your point, I mean, in my mind, maybe you have to treat it like two different scenarios. Maybe the day when there's no P, you, the simple thing to do would be to first try five more minutes of of a Pre-Bolus. If there's no sign of him getting low right now with the 15 minutes. The other thought is to take the correction that you're using after the meal and move like two thirds of it into the Bolus. Does that make sense? Okay, so your Pre-Bolus in the food, and in some odd way Pre-Bolus In the spike. That makes sense.

Jason 51:50
So on that scenario, I assume you're meeting other days where Pe is significantly later, after lunch? Yes.

Scott Benner 51:57
When we're not when we're not then diving right into physical education after that. And physical education, where they let them throw balls at each other in the gym or whatever, by the way, right? Who ever outlawed dodgeball? You ruined a country. I just say that.

Jason 52:15
By the way, there is a sequel coming to that movie. I just read that the other day. Is

Scott Benner 52:19
there really? Is it was it duck dodge dip. Dodge?

Jason 52:27
Was the five DS

Scott Benner 52:30
isn't a Rip Torn. Is that right?

Jason 52:33
Yeah, he he's passed. But apparently the rest of the original cast are coming back. So yeah. That's one of those movies. If it's on and we're channel surfing, and we come across that one. It's just immediate, that we're watching it no matter how many times we've seen it. It's so funny to us.

Scott Benner 52:50
You know how many people tell me I sound like Vince Vaughn.

Jason 52:55
I mean, I can hear that a little bit.

Scott Benner 52:57
I think it's my cadence, not my voice. I think that's what they hear. And I always say that, but they're like, No, you sound like Vince Vaughn. I was in a subway one time. I'm sorry. We'll get back to your balls. I was in a subway one time. And I heard a little kid, like a four year old kid say that man sounds like Santa Claus. Because Vince Vaughn was in a movie where he played Santa Claus one time. That kid was really confused when I walked out of that Subway.

Jason 53:27
What happened to Santa?

Scott Benner 53:28
He looks shorter. Than I explained to that four year old, they just hire all short actors. So everybody looks tall. It's not me. Diversity, I'll tell the women who act with Tom Cruise, right. So so that's my thought for the non PE days either. Start with just trying a slightly longer Pre-Bolus. As long as like I said, you don't feel like he's in, you know, trouble, like he's gonna go low. Or you move some of the correction into the Bolus. So you're being more aggressive with the food, because there's something happening. And you can kind of take the stance of I don't care what it is. It's gonna need more insulin later anyway. Why don't I just give it the insulin. Now, if that rise you're seeing is not in the first 45 minutes of eating, then maybe an extended Bolus over even just an hour might be the way to go with that extra. So just kind of layering on top, an extra blanket of insulin to keep that rise from happening, but not so much that he'll get low afterwards.

Jason 54:33
So this was the world Omnipod five now, I pretty much kept it in and I know, you know, I could go into manual mode, but I've kept it in automated mode, I believe since we've had it. So I have not done that extended Bolus since we left on the pod dash.

Scott Benner 54:48
So then in that scenario, I would either put it up front which and then let the algorithm manage it backwards or make a secondary Bolus pry err to the spike. Okay, and that you would do with carbs. So do you think this is a fat rise? Or do you just think it's the it's not we're not covered by the right amount of insulin.

Jason 55:11
I think it's both on the day that he has the purchase lunch, which is always fast food, there's definitely a fat rise. And we have actually been more aggressive on our Pre-Bolus, I've had a bad like an extra unit or two on top of the carbs that he's, you know, counting up. And then on the days where he actually packs a lunch, I think it's, I really think we might start Pre-Bolus In more like 20 minutes before or even 25 minutes, I've noticed that he will. Typically his insulin will kick in about an hour and 15 minutes to an hour and a half after. That's when I will see it actually start impacting the food. So I guess what I'm struggling with is if you Pre-Bolus and say it's five units that you chose for lunch, and 45 minutes later, you're already over 200, it's still going up, but you'd have two, two and a half, three units of iob left on I guess I'm struggling with when did we go ahead and start adding more and more insulin?

Scott Benner 56:21
I mean, if it's not going to come back down on its own or without the algorithm pushing it, then my answer is before. I don't think the insulin on board. nothing inherently Juicebox Podcast should be considered by smoke or otherwise. And I don't think I don't think the insulin on board matters. If this Bolus that you've made is never going to bring down this high blood sugar. To me that's a simple, like glycemic load or fat impact, where you're you maybe you're counting the carbs, but it's the food needs. You know, not every food is created equal. So maybe the food needs more than its carb count indicates what I guess another

Jason 57:00
way of saying it would be if we had bolused correctly, it wouldn't have gone this high in the first place, either correctly with the right amount or Pre-Bolus longer or a combination of those two things you just eat, just go do it the right way. It shouldn't go that high period. Yes, that correct? Okay, listen,

Scott Benner 57:17
you just agreed with what I was going to say. So I don't know if it's correct. But I agree with you know, that's example might need my OLED display. It feels what it felt like as you've listened to the podcast when you just said that. Oh, I've been listening. That is exactly how I would think about it. Yes. Okay.

Jason 57:36
I just I need to get a little more aggressive with it. Yeah.

Scott Benner 57:39
And I'll tell you about the PE thing. I mean, tell me how high the spike is again.

Jason 57:45
It varies. Just yesterday, he went over 200, which I do not like that at all. It's so funny. When we were in high school, it was 300 was the point where I started getting very antsy and not happy. And this is we got the Dexcom and a pop especially. We lowered that. I don't like anything over 200. And really, I don't like anything over 160 these days. I'm really trying to tighten up his range. Look at his numbers right now. Yesterday. Yeah. Lunchtime. He went to about the 208. And then we goes for it. He plunged and went down to about 60. Yeah, then correct to that. And the rest of the day, it was actually pretty good. Well,

Scott Benner 58:28
maybe on P days, and just do a little more. Like try to keep the 200 to 180 and let the algorithm manage it down. If that's happening in a quick enough time for you. I mean, the goal, in my mind is that we don't want Skittles in his pocket. Right? Seriously, like we don't want him to have to eat to stop a low, and we don't want his PE to get interrupted. So do I want his blood sugar to be? I mean, listen, this weekend, someone said to me, what do you consider a high blood sugar? And I said, I said I consider 160 A spike after a meal I consider 180 high and a voice goes What do you consider 200? I said an unmitigated disaster like I'm not judging your blood sugar's is what I went on to say, though, I just said this is the scoring system I use in my head to keep things where they are. Right there. My action points, really more than anything. I don't even care about the numbers, their action points. 160 You know, all right, not a great Bolus, but it comes back and doesn't get low. Good job. 180 your high. I mean, that's just not going to magically come down on its own 200 we could end up here for three hours if we don't act correctly. And so those are the reasons why I acted those numbers in my mind. Me if he was my kid, I wouldn't want him to have to eat or drink during I'd want him to just be able to go play. And so if you can walk a line between taking a rise and then not getting low afterwards into P, I think that's terrific. But in any situation where you're bolusing, again, that insulin belongs in the initial Bolus. And maybe not all of it. Keep in mind, because the amount that you may need to stop the 200 is likely less because delivered timely than the amount you would need to drop the 200. So those numbers aren't the same. Okay, that makes sense. Yeah.

Jason 1:00:30
Okay. Yeah. I changed our range. I know, I think the standard range is what 70 to 180 that I produced Rs. 272 160. Based off of this thing to you and Ginny, talking about if you change your expectations, a lot of times you'll see different results. And sure enough, man, it's been fantastic. I'm, I'm looking right now. For the last 90 days we've been, I don't know if this is actually right. Sounds too good. We've been 98% in range. That's between 70 and 160. Yeah, between 70 and 160. What's that? Put

Scott Benner 1:01:07
your standard deviation at?

Jason 1:01:09
It double check this, that does not sound right. It's been pretty good. Like,

Scott Benner 1:01:14
I don't want to take credit for something that's not happening.

Jason 1:01:16
I'll make sure I'm being truthful.

Scott Benner 1:01:18
I'm going to connect on the wrong button. Oh, by the way, speaking about being truthful, while you're listening, I interviewed a lady last week who said something. And when she got done, I thanked her. I was like you just made the best episode of this podcast I've I can think of although the lady who said her bot exploded was she was pretty giving with the truth. But if you haven't heard that, when it's called butthole, adjacent, and you really should hear it. But

Jason 1:01:47
yeah, so there is no way that that's right.

Scott Benner 1:01:51
Why do you feel like that can't be right. Because you've seen high blood sugars in that timeframe?

Jason 1:01:57
Yes. So this I mean, right now I'm looking at says from February 2 to May 2 90%. In range, and oh, I'm sorry. Yeah, no wonder. Reading is Fundamental. Scott 72 times in range over that 90 day period. Best day was a 90%.

Scott Benner 1:02:21
Lot More. But so you're about 72% range over a month. Right.

Jason 1:02:28
Let's see here. 70. Okay, I finally have the great information. My apologies. So over 90 days, 78% Range 4%? Well, 3%, low 1%. Very low. And then 16%, high. 2%. Very high. And again, this is what the target range of 70 to 160. Yeah. And standard deviation over 90 days is 41. Over 30 days. 43. So we're hanging out around 40. standard deviations, basically, I'm

Scott Benner 1:02:58
not going to insult your standard deviation, but that's the number you should be working on. That'll help the other numbers. Okay, yeah, lower, better standard deviation. Great. was I gonna say there? I mean, listen, I sent our son off to college. And, you know, I mean, if you listen to the podcast long enough, like you'll hear, like, you know, sometimes I go to speak at something and they say, What do you want to call this talk, and I'm, I Call Bull with insulin. And they go, you call every one of your talks, but then something like, I don't want to come up with a name for the talk, just call that. And then they're like, well, but it needs to say something underneath. And I said, Well, we want to get people in the room so we can get the information to them. Scott's daughter's agency has been between five two and six, two for over eight years with no diet restrictions that will get people in the room. And because what we're and it's true, and, you know, it's at the crux of what I talked about. So I'm in that room today. And somebody says, you know, is that really true? And I said, Oh, it's absolutely true, I said, but she's gone now for her longest stint at college like Arden is currently away for the longest she's ever been away from home. It'll be four months in a couple of days. And she's not going to be home for another month, so aren't going to be gone for five months straight because of the way their system setups quarterly. So she basically did two quarters without coming home. Okay, hurry once these up. It's probably going to be 6465. And I don't care. Because the food they are serving are first of all is I mean, it looks good. When you when you walk in the cafeteria and they're selling you the school you're like this is lovely and nice and let she's like it's all garbage that she's like it's processed. It's fried. It's the same crap over and over again. And she's like, I'm telling you it is incredibly difficult to Bolus for. Like I'm seeing her eat three meals a day in this cafeteria. She's making three what I would call large Bolus is a day like Bolus is that I would think of is more for like, you know, five guys what a burger, that kind of stuff right and you Instead, this is her regular meal. And she's like, I'm not overeating. She's like, this is just the amount of food I insulin I need to get through this food. So when a regular day when Arden eats in the cafeteria three times, she has, in general, a Bolus from 10 to 17 units of insulin, like every meal, and if she happens to get like hungry at the end of the night, or something like that, she can't even get a snack without having to Bolus eight or nine units. Like it's just, it's terrible. So to me, she's not making herself low. She kept her a once the, on the high end of what the range we shoot for. And she's managing it on her own. I think that's brilliant. And she'll come home. And you know, we've taken steps already, I will say that, for people sending your kids off to college, one of the things, I eventually had Arden, and I'll talk on the podcast about how school went. But we did set up some accommodations for in the beginning, that very simple understanding for the school for what she has. And so when it was time to look for housing for next year, art is like some of these dorms have kitchens in them a refrigerator and a stove. And I want that, because I can't keep eating like this. And I'm like, okay, she's like, it's just it makes the diabetes just way harder than it needs to be. And I'm like, right, so she's like, so we, I guess petitioned the school to get her into one of those arrangements. And they were like, yeah, absolutely no problem. And Arjuna said, but I want my roommates to stay with me. Like this, we have met these three girls, and they understand my diabetes. And we get along. And you know, if I get low, like, somebody helps me and like, you know, like that kind of stuff. I don't want to lose them. So it took a little doing, but we got the school to designate those three kids as medically necessary. Good for y'all. Yeah, and moved all four of them into one of these, like larger apartment type things where art is like, I am going to start cooking for myself, because I don't even I don't want to be doing this the way I'm doing it right now. So I'm expecting art and SEO and C to drop by a half a point next time she goes back to college. Yeah,

Jason 1:07:09
so two things on that, first of all, thank you for sharing that her agency might be a little bit higher. And you're okay with that, though us as well. We started listening to podcast, I think he was eight one. Then three months, he went down to seven, three. Then he went to six, four. And then his last visit, which was about four to five months ago was six, six. So right in the mid 60s, that's terrific, by the way. Good for you. Well, thank you. Yeah. But again, I'm a little competitive. So I'm trying to get it down lower. He actually has an appointment tomorrow, be the first time in five months, as endocrinologist was out on maternity leave. So it'd be interesting. I'm fully expecting mid 60s again. I'm hopeful maybe it'll be 6364. But I don't I don't know if it's super realistic with his diet, the typical 13 year old Texas boy, he likes his carbs. And he likes his carbs. And yeah, I don't know if it's feasible for me to think we could get him under six, I'm gonna keep trying. But part of me is also thinking maybe I need to be content with the fact that he's a 13 year old boy without the best diet in the world. And he's in the mid 60s. As a type one diabetic,

Scott Benner 1:08:27
I try really hard to think about some of the late 20s people that I've interviewed over the years who had type one as a child. And how many of them I hear tell the story about I went off to college. I told everybody I knew what I was doing. I didn't. My agency went way up. I panicked. I stopped paying attention to it. It took I don't even know how I lived through college like me stories like that I've heard. Luckily, I met somebody after school, thought about dating and I wanted to be healthier like that those stories, right? I don't think there's a value in him living a life that you can manage that he can't manage. And that's kind of how I come to think about it now. I mean, I'm telling you, if you can see the food that they give you at school, like for people who haven't been there in a long time, it's it really is garbage at most colleges. And don't worry, because at most private institutions, your housing and food bill is lumped together. And I think right now the national average is around $14,000. So that's fun. And you're paying, you're paying 14 grand for them to eat garbage, and it's gonna it's gonna hurt their blood sugar. If you bring it up to the school. You know what they say? We know. Great, thanks. It's hard to cook for a lot of kids is it? It's great. It's hard to make a podcast and I just do it like Like, could you just do the thing you said you were gonna do? No. Okay. But I think the point is That Arden has not lost track of the goal. She does not not understand that this isn't what she wants. But she's not beating herself up about it. And she's not giving up on it. And to me, I think that's a good balance. Because she will come home, she will eat better food here. And she will continue to put the effort in and I already told her my garden, you're gonna come home, your agency is going to come down to half a point. Like just changing food is going to do that. And then we're going to, you know, my biggest concern is her fitting cooking into her life. So we're going to spend some time teaching her how to like prep meals and stuff like that. My son, I tell you what, Jason of all the things I didn't expect. My son left home for a job like four or five months ago now, four months ago, right? He was definitely a kid who would I mean, he's 22 When he got out of college, like, you know, and he'd come downstairs, he'd be like, Can I get some eggs? I'd be like, you know how to make eggs. Right? He goes, Yeah, he's like, but you're better at it. Like, okay. What's for dinner? Like, what's for dinner? I don't even know if I saw my mom when I was 22. I'm like, okay. So when we sent him off, I said to my wife, I was like, You think you'll starve? Or you think you'll think he's gonna put on 100 pounds like Uber eating like everything. But what ended up happening was, I've never been prouder of my parenting Jason, is that you know what? One over? He's cheap. And, also, yeah, so he gets gets his own apartment gets his job. Trust me. He's not thrilled he moves across the country. He's by himself. It's not easy. He's learning. It's a first because the baseball. So first job he's ever had in his whole life. Like no life, like he went from like, I play baseball to what time? Do I have to be there? Like, we're gonna be here all day. The whole day. Just do this, the noon will break off and come back tomorrow. Like he went to like, right into the world. And he's there for a week. And I get a FaceTime. And the phone is obviously propped up on the counter and his little apartment. And he goes, I need some help. How do I make this? And I'm like, what he goes, I'm making food. I bought these containers. I'm gonna eat the same thing for lunch every day. And I'm gonna make some stuff for dinner and have it aside, I am not spending money like this one food. That was like, wow, when it was my money. Nobody cared Jason, but okay.

Jason 1:12:35
It's funny how that works, right?

Scott Benner 1:12:38
I mean, in three days, he figured it out. He's like, yo, yo, how do you make this next thing? I know, I swear to you one day, he calls me to go ask me a question about something just cooking. At least we got cooking shows when he first moved away, which was kind of nice. We just we would sit and watch and make food. He's making these little chicken chunks wrapping bacon around them, like putting this like, I don't know what there was some sort of like fresh herbs was coming in. And he was begging them. So a couple days later, I said, Hey, how are those chicken things? Because all they're really good. I said, You making them again? He goes, No, they're too much work.

Jason 1:13:14
Where are the ramen noodles?

Scott Benner 1:13:15
He's like, I'm still gonna make chicken but I'm not going to all that trouble wrapping the bacon around and everything like that. That's right. That's way too much effort. Anyway, got his head right right away. And but but what it taught me was that this gap of time when Arden is home, we need to do this with her now. Because he's a kid with a job and nobody around him that he knows he's watching sports and going to work. And you know, you know, so he's got time, my daughter's not gonna have time to teach yourself how to like proportion or foods and cook and stuff like that. So I think we have to do it now before we send her back. So that's a good idea for sure. That's on my to do list for while she's home. You know, I was at that thing this weekend. Somebody said, Where's your high alarm setup? I took some crap from people Jason. I'm not gonna lie to you. What is it x people are very direct. Like, my, my wife's like, my wife's like, how was it? I said, if you take like, they're lovely people. And they like they're just there's no pretense. It's all just very honest. And like, right, you know, open. And I said, if you if you went there with the idea of being like, getting butthurt about something, you'd be in trouble real quick. Like, so.

Jason 1:14:29
Tell it like it is. I like it. Yeah, they

Scott Benner 1:14:30
was 100% like that. And so where's your high alarm set on your, the follow for your daughter? And I said, Well, her alarm is set at 130 the whole the whole room? I'm 30. And I said but mindset it wasn't 20 I mean, after the just shock left the room. Why is yours different than hers? And I said, Well, I like my alarm to go off before hers, so that I can kind of look and see what's going on because if it's like a real like Like situation like she's flying up, I don't even want to wait till 130 to do something about that I want to start thinking about it now. But if it's a simple thing, then you know, she never even gets the alarm. Like, I see 120 The curves down at like 126 comes back and she's never alarmed by that. And that's get what you expect that's setting your expectations using your insulin correctly, then I tried to explain it to them, you know, timing, like at the end of the thing they asked us, you know, interesting question. If you could just leave us with a bumper sticker. You know, what would it say? And I said, Oh, that's easy. timing and amount. That's it. Everything about diabetes is the right amount of insulin at the right time. And I mean, there are other things, if you let me give you a second bumper sticker, I'd say something else. And the third one might talk about glycemic index and stuff, but

Jason 1:15:49
might be a buffet nudge, because that's one of the most valuable things I learned quickly from the podcast was bumping and magic.

Scott Benner 1:15:57
Okay, I'm glad you said that. But you got to take what you learned from the bumping and nudging and put it into the bolusing. Okay, see what I'm saying? Like the goal is not to bump and nudge. So if you know the need is there, get it in, so you don't need to do it manually afterwards. But I agree with you. I think bobbing and nudging is an essential way about learning about diabetes, and at the same time, not letting your blood sugar's be crazy. Like 1,000,000%. But yeah, but if you're bumping and judging all the time, listen to the bumping and nudging to pro tip where I say, hey, when I mentioned you guys about bumping energy, I didn't mean to it forever. Did I not say that? The first one. I'm sorry.

Jason 1:16:40
I need to re listen to that episode. Yeah. That's hilarious.

Scott Benner 1:16:44
So do you ever think about your daughter? Have you thought about trial net? Or does she talk about it?

Jason 1:16:52
We haven't even broach the subject yet. But it'll be something we talked about. I'm sure at some point, let's see if she's interested in finding out or not, again, without a family history on either side. His diagnosis was such a shock. But it doesn't mean it's not possible. But no, we haven't spoken

Scott Benner 1:17:11
about it yet. I wouldn't call God Hashimotos. Like it almost knocked me off my feet. He is his whole young life, like a physical specimen. And just, you know, so active and what you think of is healthy when you look at somebody. And like, you know, we sent him for trial that all those years ago when he didn't have any markers for type one. And I just thought, oh, okay, well, that's that he got the he's gonna be the one that's okay. And she'll be the one that has this. And yeah, when he got that, like, it floored me, so I don't know. I know. It's up to her. She's older. You know what I mean? Like, I think I'm in the camp of I want to know. But, like, if it's possible that the I don't know. That's what I mean, listen, if you're hurt, I had prevention bio on here, right to talk about tz old which they called Tomislav, when it was in studies. He's the old market. That drug that infusion that, you know, once you have the markers and you're moving in the wrong direction, they say can, you know, keep diabetes, they delayed for a while. That company just got sold to Sanofi the other day. And I'm, I don't want to talk out of school. But I think Sanofi paid $3 billion for it. Wow. So somebody must be very hopeful about that science. is very interesting. Yeah. Is what it made me think I can see if I can find it.

Jason 1:18:37
Yeah, I mean, my initial thoughts are kind of the same as far as wanting to find out at some point, because at least you can be proactive for some things, if you know that. It may be coming. Yeah. But at the same time, ignorance is bliss in many ways. So I

Scott Benner 1:18:55
understand. Trust me, I understand both sides of that argument. 100% March 13, Sanofi agrees to pay 2.9 billion for prevention bio. Wow. Okay, it seems like a couple of dollars. And also not for nothing. It's an awfully, but it seems like you can afford to repeat your ad. You know what I mean? Give me a call. So I mean,

Jason 1:19:18
speaking of you guys use a Pietra Yeah.

Scott Benner 1:19:20
Is that correct? Yes. And I'm the only one I'm the only one with a voice in this community who says a pager and I don't hear from nobody, you know what I mean? And apparently there's 3 billion sitting in a bank somewhere. I don't need 3 billion.

Jason 1:19:33
So World War on human logs, but I'm actually wanting to try a pager just to see if there's any difference in the way he responds to it. So that's, I actually have that listed as a question for our next endo appointment. Tomorrow is to see about maybe getting a picture prescribed just just to give it a try. Figure, why not?

Scott Benner 1:19:53
If you ask that your doctor is going to tell you not not many insurance companies cover it. That's by the way, if I'm joking, sidewise an office not buying ads work. And they'll probably talk to you about fee Asper loom Jove, and tell you that it's faster. I will tell you I think Arden would be using FASB if it didn't burn her when she uses it. So she gets its things and it leaves her site sore, which is a there's an additive, I think it's vitamin D that makes it work faster. And some people don't tolerate it well, and Arden doesn't. So but here's what I love about a pager for Arden super smooth. Like, I this is not a lie. I haven't seen two arrows in either direction, in years. And I attribute that to the picture. And the truth is, I mean, I haven't seen an arrow up and very often, like we don't see straight up and down arrows very often. And I attribute that not just to how you know we use insulin and that artists using an algorithm, but that that the pager just seems to work very smoothly in her.

Jason 1:21:05
And is that regardless of the pump she used with it. She's

Scott Benner 1:21:09
only ever used it with Omni pod, but she's used it with Omni pod, no algorithm, Omni pod five Omni pod with loop. Okay,

Jason 1:21:18
yeah, that's actually more what I meant by the question. Yeah, different types. You know, it's just same result.

Scott Benner 1:21:24
I swear to you, I a double arrow would absolutely. That would shock me more than call heaven. Hashimotos. like, Wait, what happened? What did we do wrong? Is there a problem?

Jason 1:21:37
Yeah, see, I want to get to that point. I see double arrows a little too often. Yeah, so I mentioned crashing, you know, working on that as well. Just being a little more aggressive with it. I wouldn't be doing any of this without having that CGM. Just the peace of mind. Being able to keep up with everything. I think. I think it was Ginni once said that, you know, she could only have one piece of technology had to give up everything else. The one piece that she would cling to for her life was the CGM. Yeah, and I couldn't agree more.

Scott Benner 1:22:07
No, I'm with you. I mean, it's, uh, I mean, in today's world, it's a it's a false equivalent. But yes, if you absolutely said to me, just one, I'd say I will get the CGM. And you know, we'll go back to MDI and figure out the rest, and it won't be as easy. I mean, listen, between you, me and whoever's listening. Those algorithms are amazing. Like, they're just amazing. I spent so much time with people this weekend, who were wearing a lot of on the pod five, a lot of control IQ in the room, which was super interesting. And I'll break down another episode somewhere because they don't use a lot of technology. But when it's for their health, it's, you know, kind of permissible, there are people who fundamentally do not know what they're doing with their blood sugar's who are still keeping a one, season seven. And that's astonishing. And not only that, but and these people would not mind me sharing this, the food that they're eating every weekend for Schabas. is, I mean, it's carb heavy is not like a great description, like, like, there. I don't know if anybody knows what Kugel is, but I learned this weekend. And it's a lot of noodles compressed down into it's so dense, you feel like you could throw a piece of it at somebody and hurt. Like, I just noodles and oil and like, you know, and just honest, like, I don't know how many of you are doing this. But I was astonished at how well they were all doing. But algorithm, like the people who weren't on the algorithms were struggling more than people who were on them, even though they could maybe mess up a meal and end up at 250. They go to bed. And when they wake up in the morning, it's back down again. Is that optimal? It's not but it's way better than waking up at 250. Still,

Jason 1:23:51
yeah, we started Omnipod, five last July, actually received it while we were on vacation, learned that it had been shipped. And we started it right after getting back from Disney World. And it's got that algorithm. It's not perfect. No technology is but it has given us our nights back in our sleep back. And I mean, the only lows we fight at night on a consistent basis now are Oh goodness. What's the term for it when he's lying on his CGM compression, compression? I could not think of the word compression. Yeah, compression. Those are the only time he truly goes low at night, and I still haven't figured out where to put that thing on the floor. You won't just instinctively lie flat on it. Get a compression but the Omnipod five, it's been a saint for us particularly overnight.

Scott Benner 1:24:45
That's excellent. Maybe fingers crossed the g7 when it's available to us with AMI pod five maybe that will help with compression loads if we're lucky, very

Jason 1:24:53
hopeful. stoked about the warmup time it just the smaller size for sure. But yeah, in the back of my mind I'm taking baby can afford to have as many compression but yeah, we'll see time will tell.

Scott Benner 1:25:03
Yeah, when I visited art and a couple of weeks ago, just there was Parents Weekend. And Kelly's like, she's starting to talk weird. I'm like, she's like, she's like, I can't wait to come home for the summer. And I'm like, that's weird. She goes, you know, art is not like, like, very, she's not incredibly demonstrative. But I'm like, and she's like, I'm excited to come home for summer. She's like, you should go down for Parents Weekend. So I flew down and got her hotel room, and it just yanked her out, like, just kept with me for two nights, you know, like, we hung out together, but the mattress was just a little harder. And she was wearing a G six. And the compression was like, we're just like, I don't know something about where she was wearing it. And that mattress, right, it's like, and then so last night, I mean, aside from the fact that she did lit one o'clock in the morning, she switched to g7 last night. So I mean, my God. And you know what I did? I'll tell you, my emotional maturity. I'm almost my age now. My emotional maturity,

Jason 1:26:03
because several ways to go, but you

Scott Benner 1:26:07
sent a whole, I had a whole text type that was like, This is why I told you to change this thing thing sooner. Like, you're pitching me now that it's late, and I'm texting, you know, like, that was the whole text. And then I just deleted it. And I said, Hey, let's just get this taken care of, so we can go to sleep.

Jason 1:26:29
But let me ask this, though, was tics are typing it out, but not see me get ahead to be somewhat therapeutic? Right? I mean, a little bit.

Scott Benner 1:26:38
Is one in the morning, I'm standing direction. Listen, for Christ's sake. I mean, you know, you know what, I stopped myself. I'm saying about a half a dozen times a year. There are countless hundreds of 1000s of people who would pay me to stand here and talk to them about this. And you're looking at me, like I got three heads. And I don't know what I'm talking about. I'm the guy from the podcast. My best advice, do this earlier in the evening. And by the way, not brain surgery, what I've just said, you know, perfectly logical, but where the annoyance came from is it's me in my underwear standing on a hard floor in the hallway. So I don't wake my wife up trying to talk to her about her, you know, and I'm just like, I'm cold, and I'm tired. And I'm still rebounding from the weekend because not for nothing. Orthodox people don't use electricity, sundown Friday, sundown Sunday, or Sunday on Saturday, that gap of time. And I don't know if you've ever tried to talk to a room of hundreds of people without a microphone. But it's not easy. I'm like drained. Still, when I get home, like I know that sounds weird. But talking a lot. Accessing ideas, delivering them clearly. projecting your voice. And then I No, this is not a humble brag, but at these situations, I can't walk five feet. Like, I'm like inside of a diabetes gathering. You know, I'm, I'm Tom Cruise around brisky business, like, like, I take five steps and people like Scott, I just have a question. And then that's a 15 minute conversation. And when I get done, and I look up, there are four people standing behind them waiting for their turn, and I'm like, I'm just trying to get to the water bottles on the other side of the room. And then someone goes, I'll get it for you like, Ah, okay, I'm not getting out of this. I say. It's really exhausting. And then like, you know, I finally get home and now I'm in the hallway freezing going. We couldn't have done this four hours ago. Anyway.

Jason 1:28:58
I feel your pain. Yeah.

Scott Benner 1:29:01
Somebody with young kids at this thing this weekend says when does it get easier? I said, I'll let you know when that happens. I mean, how old are your children? I said, 23 and 19. It's not easier yet. I'm like, I mean, I'm still worried about them. And they still run into things they don't understand. And, you know, like, I don't know what's easier. Maybe

Jason 1:29:27
that will ever change. It might evolve a little bit. But yeah, it's just that's part of parenting.

Scott Benner 1:29:33
One of my breaks on Saturday, I called my mom just check in on her. And she's asking me how it's going. And I'm telling her, you know, we were on the phone to talk and she goes Scott, why don't you lay down instead? I'm 51 my mom's like, take a nap.

Jason 1:29:51
Don't bother taking advice.

Scott Benner 1:29:53
I mean, I like to watch the baseball league and watch a baseball game. Is that the same thing? Little minutes, but But I mean, just that's the point like my 80 year old mother was like, Oh, we have time to talk. But then when she heard that I was like, text like, you know, stretching myself, she's like, why don't you rest instead you have a couple hours off. You're like taking a break, by the way, thanks to the Rabbi's wife, who, like just grabbed me by the shoulders and was like, go go take a break. She's like, they're never gonna leave you alone. Just get out of here. I'm like, Okay, I need to have somebody walk me to the elevator. So it can look official so I could get away. Actually, anyway, I'm available for speaking engagements.

there anything we haven't talked about that you would have liked to?

Jason 1:30:45
Man, I don't really think so. I mean, if there's one piece of advice I could give, especially to those that were little over two years in to this diagnosis is, number one would be found this podcast, you, you have found the right place. But number two is advocate for if it's yourself as the type one diabetic, or if you're a parent of a type one diabetic, advocate for your child, both with providers with insurance companies don't take just stock answers. This is how we do things. You know, again, I think we were supposed to wait three months before we got to CGM and six months for a pump. And I just kept pushing and kept learning and researching these things and got both things and half the amount of time. Yeah, so I mean, I totally understand, needing to learn the basics of multiple daily injections and how to handle it at that most basic level in case you know, technology just all of a sudden vanishes. But six weeks was enough time for us to be very comfortable with using, you know, Basal and Bolus and doing fingerprints and all that, yeah,

Scott Benner 1:31:56
I lost track of the amount of people this weekend that told me their TSH was three, but their doctor told them they don't need you know, Synthroid, but they have every symptom of hypothyroidism. You know, it's in range, you're good, don't worry about it. Right. They're struggling every day trying to like hold their head up, you know. So you got to advocate for yourself, let's I spend a lot of time telling people that this weekend, and I appreciate you bringing it up to and

Jason 1:32:23
beyond that. One of the things I learned again, from you guys, just box is also making corrections. So once you get, you know, if you do evolve and go to a pump, and not to wait in between your three month appointments with your endo to make corrections to your correction factor, any of the things, particularly if you have a CGM just to be your best advocate when it comes to making small adjustments and see how that works. So I can't thank you guys above for everything you do. Scott and Jenny, everybody else, it's been amazing. I ran into a an old friend today. In fact, while I was walking this morning, first thing, and I was listening to one of the latest episodes that came out and I just shared with them, you know, just how helpful the podcast has been to us and to countless others across the world.

Scott Benner 1:33:19
Thank you, I really appreciate that. I don't It's not off putting to you, like part of the country you're in when I tell silly stories or say bizarre things that people

Jason 1:33:29
keep listening. Okay. I think our sense of humor is are very similar. That's, you make it easier to digest and the use of humor and just crazy things you might say here and there. It just cracks me up.

Scott Benner 1:33:44
Oh, good. I was shocked this weekend when I mean, I got again, I'm not bragging, but I got stopped a lot this weekend walking around. And, you know, just very polite, like, thank you so much for coming. We really appreciate it. I think part of that was because people kept telling me like, there's going to be a massive culture shock when you get to this event. And I have to tell you that if you I separated the, like the religion is, is different. It's just different than what I'm accustomed to seeing. And if you just separate that, and I mean, they're just just everyone's got a big beard, like, you know, the the clothes are different, like, you know, they have, I mean, I acted as the shabbos goy for someone. Do you know what that means? Jason? I do not. I went to their hotel room on Saturday night to shut the lights off for them, because they're not allowed to operate the switches. And so, I mean, that's how specific I mean, that's the tip of the iceberg for what their their religion in their culture is like, but every time I got together with a bunch of ladies or a bunch of guys, and we stood and talked. I couldn't I can't tell you that there's no difference. It's between those people and anybody else I've ever met my entire life. Right? Like, you know, and so very quickly, I just gave away the idea of like, this isn't like forget the culture shock. Like, who cares? They don't dress the way I do, like, what do I care, you know. But anyway, they that everywhere I stopped, thank you so much for coming. And then I, you know, and we appreciate it like that there was a lot of that. But then afterwards, if I stopped to stand and talk for a second, I lost track of the number of people telling me how digestible the information was, and how other people have come and spoken here. But you know, it's boring, or I didn't understand any of it, or it didn't stick with me. And then a man comes to me an older gentleman. And he says, 45 years I've had diabetes. You're the first person that ever stood on that stage and made sense to me. Yeah. And I thought, cool. Like, I don't know why. But everybody mentioned, thank you for making it easier to understand. Thank you for bringing some humor into it. It always feels so sad and solid and didn't feel like that this weekend. I said, Oh, great. Well, it's not if you don't let it be, you know, so,

Jason 1:36:10
as far as I'm concerned, you are doing what you were put on this earth to do, Scott, with this podcast and with all of your efforts. It's just it was meant to be as far as I'm concerned.

Scott Benner 1:36:22
I appreciate that very much. It means a lot to me and made me feel a little tingly. And it's weird because I'm looking at a picture of you and you look like you could kill a bear if you wanted to. Alright, I'm gonna, I'm gonna say goodbye. And then I have other questions for you. Oh, I do have one other question. Did listen to this podcast lead you to listen to any other podcasts or your podcast personnel?

Jason 1:36:42
Yes. Yes. So one of my favorite is fly on the wall podcast. This was Dana Carvey and oh my gosh, I really got a David Spade. Yeah, why don't David Spade me. And I I do listen to other podcasts as well. Now, so yeah, you. You broke the ice man. I started listening to Juicebox Podcast fan now. I'm

Scott Benner 1:37:06
glad. That's excellent. All right, Jason, thanks so much. Hold on for me one second.

Jason 1:37:10
Thank you. Yep.

Scott Benner 1:37:20
I want to thank Jason for coming on the show and sharing his story. And actually, I got to meet Jason in person at a speaking event I did recently in Texas. It was lovely to meet him and his family. Let's thank also Omni pod and remind you to go to Omni pod.com/juicebox To get started right now with the new pod five or Omni pod Dash. And speaking of Omni pod five, brand new content coming next week. Look for Ask the Expert in your podcast player. There'll be three episodes on Monday, Tuesday and Wednesday. Other things to look for the private Facebook group Juicebox Podcast type one diabetes, and cozy earth.com thank them so much for sponsoring. And don't forget to use their offer code juice box at checkout to save 40% off of your entire order. Thank you so much for listening. I'll be back soon with another episode of The Juicebox Podcast right after I go to touched by type one.org and see what they're up to

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