#1067 Börk Börk Börk

Geoff is the father of a child living with type 1 diabetes.

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Scott Benner 0:00
Hello friends, and welcome to episode 1067 of the Juicebox Podcast.

Today I'm speaking with Jeff he is the father of a child with type one diabetes. He was born and raised in Seattle, Washington, but has spent the last 25 years living in Sweden. And because I am mostly devoid of any culture, I've called this episode, bork, bork Bork. While you're listening. Please remember that nothing you hear on the Juicebox Podcast should be considered advice, medical or otherwise, always consult a physician before making any changes to your healthcare plan, or becoming bold with insulin. If you'd like to get a free year supply of vitamin D and five free travel packs, you can with your first order at drink ag one.com/juicebox podcast you can save 40% off of your entire order at cozy earth.com When you use the offer code juice box at checkout. And you can really help me by subscribing to the show in whatever audio app you're listening in Apple podcasts, Spotify iHeartRadio doesn't matter. If you're listening. Please subscribe or follow and set up your auto downloads so you never miss an episode. Last thing, definitely check out the private Facebook group Juicebox Podcast type one diabetes. We're approaching 44,000 members, all we're missing is you. Today's episode of The Juicebox Podcast is sponsored by the contour next gen blood glucose meter. Get the most accurate meter I've ever held at contour next one.com/juicebox podcast is also sponsored today. Buy Omni pod Omni pod.com/juicebox Learn more about the Omni pod dash and the Omni pod five. There are links in the show notes and links at juicebox podcast.com to Omni pod, the contour next gen and all of the sponsors.

Geoff 2:06
My name is Jeff. I'm born and raised in Seattle, Washington. I've lived in wheaton for just over half of my life. I have three kids. My son is 19. My daughter is 16 Excuse me, my son is 20. My daughter is six. My oldest daughter is 16 and my youngest daughter who's T one is seven and a half and her name is Madeline. We call her Maddie

Scott Benner 2:33
2016 Seven and a half. Maddie has type one, seven and a half. How long have you lived in Sweden?

Geoff 2:42
Just about 25 plus years. I've been here about half my life.

Scott Benner 2:47
Wow. What made you move?

Geoff 2:50
What made me move here? Yeah. Well, when I was a senior in high school, there was a Swedish exchange student at the school that year and we became friends we eventually dated. And she moved, obviously back to Sweden after her year. And a year later, I came to Sweden as an exchange student to live with her and her family. Our relationship continued to develop. We ended up getting engaged. I ended up getting married a couple years afterwards. Live back in the US for four years to get qualifications, and then moved here to permanently in 96. So I've lived here since then,

Scott Benner 3:36
you and she are no longer together or you are she's

Geoff 3:40
my first strike

you know you because your son played baseball, you know all of that. Oh, the baseball terms. I get three strikes. I'm out. Oh, I don't do that stuff anymore.

Scott Benner 3:57
Jeff, you've been divorced three times.

Geoff 4:00
Hey, yeah, I'm like, you know, like a celebrity pro at it. I think I'm probably better at assigning divorce papers than most people are signing most other documents. So yeah.

Scott Benner 4:15
Are all three of these children from one of these ladies? Are they spread out?

Geoff 4:20
No. They're two from Strike Two and one from strike three.

Scott Benner 4:27
We're just gonna make a note here. I don't know. Any other way to do it. I'm gonna put number two and number three next to the children on my notes. case it comes up for autoimmune stuff. Okay, well, three lucky girls. So have they formed yet? By the way the three of them are?

Geoff 4:52
Not that I know of, but there could be a Facebook group

Scott Benner 4:55
there. Definitely a Facebook group with three people and just Just caught. I escaped Jeff, there's three

Geoff 5:08
Yeah, it's, it's what it is. It's not really something I'm obviously not something I'm proud of, but you know, life throws you curveballs and all kinds of stuff. So it's just the way it is. Yeah. Jeff.

Scott Benner 5:20
One, when those curveballs come out, you're supposed to move when those curveballs you got to stop letting them keep hitting you in the leg, you know?

Geoff 5:32
So, two, two of the strikes, were not my initiative, and one of the strikes was my initiative. So I don't take credit for all of it.

Scott Benner 5:42
I was just the passenger a couple of times. All right. That's right. So okay, so you, you're Maddie, seven and a half? How old was she when she was diagnosed?

Geoff 5:52
So it was in February of last year. So February 22. So she was six and a half months, she was diagnosed, oh, we're just the just over a year and about 15 months. And

Scott Benner 6:04
I was gonna say it's not long at all. Just for context, were you married to her mom at that time? Or? No?

Geoff 6:12
No, no, no. Strike three and was about just over three years ago.

Scott Benner 6:16
I see. All right. Yeah. What was? So I think the reason that I was so excited for you to be on the podcast is because the type one is fairly prevalent in your part of the world. Is that right?

Geoff 6:33
That's absolutely correct. So Finland has the highest rate of new cases of Type one. Birth 1000 under the age of 18. You see that? I say that right from the right logical order. And I think if I remember right, I'm going to try and like regurgitate some, some numbers here. I think the number is like 5.6 per 1000. Us. And Sweden is number two, with like, 5.4. I'm not exactly sure on those numbers, but because it was about a year ago that I got them. But I don't think they changed too much over time. So Sweden and Finland are number one and number two.

Scott Benner 7:16
Okay. In the I'm just, I'm doing some looking right now, in my stats, I'm just gonna go back to like the beginning of 2022, I guess, just to give a little bit of a sample size here. And if I go back to January 2022, and just run my downloads 1234. Sweden is the sixth most downloaded country that listens to the show. It lags behind the top, the top four are the chunk of my downloads. But but then Ireland, Sweden, Germany, New Zealand, Saudi Arabia, are the next. So it's just interesting.

Geoff 8:01
Is Finland in your top 10 Or your top 15?

Scott Benner 8:04
Me Look. I'll read through it. I'm

Geoff 8:08
just curious because they're the Finnish language is just like a different, completely different language group. And it's not related at all English. So there's my personal experiences that bins aren't as good at English as Swedes are. Well, that makes sense. While I'm a little bit curious,

Scott Benner 8:24
let me look US, Canada, Australia, UK, Ireland, Sweden, Germany, New Zealand, Saudi Arabia, United Arab Emirates. Israel, Norway, Spain, South Africa, Switzerland, Austria, Denmark, France, Mexico, Egypt. I'm doing. Yeah, I'm heading into the 21. Netherlands, Bulgaria, India, Italy, Hong Kong, Romania, Portugal, Belgium, Singapore, China. Now it's in the first 30. I don't see it. I'm jumping ahead now.

Geoff 8:54
Yeah, but Finland and Estonia and Hungary are in the same language group. And that's actually a very different language group than, like, the Western European

Scott Benner 9:06
languages. So if I speak Finnish, do you think I'd be huge in diabetes?

Geoff 9:10
I do. I actually I do. Yeah. Because they're very like digitalized. Like we are here in Sweden. Lots of people listen to podcasts. There's everybody has like, super high tech. Like Finland, Sweden and Norway are very similar. And I think it's interesting that I think Norway is the third ranked country after Finland and Sweden, or at least is in the top five in terms of new cases. In Sweden. Swedish and Norwegian are basically mutually intelligible languages. So it doesn't doesn't surprise me that Norway is up there. In the top 20x.

Scott Benner 9:48
That's really something. Yeah. So your child is. I mean, how do you think of it your, your axis Swedish, I'm assuming?

Geoff 9:59
Yes, that's right. Matty's Mama's Swedish. Okay,

Scott Benner 10:02
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Geoff 13:37
Well, this is kind of interesting. And I wanted to this is one of the things that I wanted to share. Maddie is mom has a son who's Nine, eight years older than Maddie. Okay, and he also has type one. That voice bothers family has no has no autoimmune. My family has no autoimmune. The autoimmune or the type one needs to come from the mom. But she doesn't. Well doesn't need to but like you would think it would. So half siblings have type one. There is no other type one in the mom's family. But there's some other autoimmune issues. Do

Scott Benner 14:23
you know what they are though?

Geoff 14:24
But yeah, bipolar. That's the one that I'm like, definitely aware of. I don't know a lot of the other medical histories of the family. But there's another thing that came up in diabetes, like some posing that I was asked the other day that I thought was really interesting kind of had to do with this. So to kind of run some numbers for Sweden what T one community is like you're the population of sweetness 10 and a half million. There are 8000 youths with type one in Sweden. So not a lot up, but still quite a few are the size of the population. In the city that I live in, there's a population of 160,000 people that are 240 type one children. And when I say children, I mean under the age of 18, in the city that I live in, where have mandolin and her brother are one of five sibling pairs in the community in the city here. Wow. So pretty uncommon to have siblings. Yeah. Take it into the big, big picture.

Scott Benner 15:33
Well, does a lot of the population get diagnosed after 18?

Geoff 15:38
I don't know. You know, I wish I knew more about the adult pipeline community here, but I don't really have any connection to it. I don't know any, any adults who have type one. I know a guy who has type two, but I mean, that's confirmed is not the same thing. He is insulin dependent, however, uses insulin with his breakfast. But that's it. I don't know anybody. When Madeline's half brother was diagnosed eight years ago, the doctors talked about a surge that summer, they had more new cases confirmed cases of Type one that summer than any other time period prior to that. This is after like a four? No, this is before COVID. This was back in 2000, or eight years ago, well, without being 1516, something like that.

Scott Benner 16:32
I'm looking here online. It says type one diabetes is one of the most common chronic diseases that affect children in Sweden, the majority are diagnosed between the ages of 10 and 14, the number of children among children, excuse me, the number of diagnosis among children is increasing. And the percentage is among the highest in the world. Sweden is second after Finland. That's right. I mean, do you have any idea why that is?

Geoff 16:57
Well, so I went about a month ago, not even a month ago, two and a half weeks ago. So I went to this annual diabetes symposium here in the city that I live in. They hadn't done it for a couple of years because of COVID. And so this was the first time back so it was well visited. And one of the things that they talked about was one of the things that I've spoken with my daughter's doctors about as well they endo is that, like, what is this from and they don't know, the only thing that they can kind of like stretch it to is the idea of lack of sunlight. So like too little Vitamin E is what it is, right? So when my older kids were newborns up until they were I think two years old, we would give them vitamin drops every day. They were called ag drops, the vitamin A and vitamin D drops. They've been researching this whole thing with the cause of type one, the high cause of type one has been for a long time and one of the things that they think might be a contributing factor is the lack of sunlight.

Scott Benner 18:06
Or these vitamin drops very common for children. All children

Geoff 18:10
take them here. Yeah. Yeah, all do. So it wasn't I wasn't like picked out for some reason. But it's that's just standard procedure. All kids get it here. Wow.

Scott Benner 18:20
When they're little. Alright, I have to tell you something funny. Before we move on Jeff. I googled Sweden type one diabetes just to see what I could find. Someone misspelled the word sweet in their Google thing. So it says Can diabetics? Can diabetics eat sweets? And that came up as part of the search.

Geoff 18:48
In the zombie apocalypse, they will well know

Scott Benner 18:50
if you read all the information about it. Obviously it just meant sweets, but it's kind of funny. Oh no, wait, I know Excuse me. I'm wrong. Swedes are a vegetable. how crazy it look. We're learning together. Jeff Swede plays plays the role of white potatoes but does not have as many carbohydrates that break down simple sugars. A sweet is a Get the hell out of here. Homeless second, I'm sorry. Swede. Rutabaga comes up. Oh, rutabaga. Rutabaga. Root, rutabaga or a sweet is a root vegetable. How about that? Oh, I

Geoff 19:33
think I've heard about that.

Scott Benner 19:36
Like turnips.

Geoff 19:38
Yeah, something like that.

Scott Benner 19:41
Unbelievable. I just thought it was a typo. Now we've all learned something. Swedes are rutabaga. rutabagas the root none of us are eaten. Imagine there's a whole crops of these things being made and brought to grocery stores all over the world and people are like, what is that? What am I making? I'm sorry, just one more step Jeff, what are we making?

Geoff 20:08
Can I just go to the candy department and get my Swedish Fish?

Scott Benner 20:13
Rutabaga recipes, roasted rutabaga recipes. 1313 best ways to cook with rutabaga. There you go. It's like still, you can make noodles out of it. Hash. Or Groton, mashed rutabaga with sour cream and dill. Sweet magnet. Wait. Sweet nutmeg cake with brown butter frosting. Rutabaga soup, no one's eating this. If I get one

Geoff 20:43
eat something weekend is save recipe.

Scott Benner 20:46
You know what I could do? Here's french fries with them. All right. I don't find any of this. If I get one email that someone's like, I regularly cook with rutabagas. I'll be amazed. Well,

Geoff 20:57
you have you have your have your your Nordic grouping stuff in Minnesota there. Maybe maybe you'll get something from there.

Scott Benner 21:05
I'm waiting. So what are the signs that Maddie has? Science when she was diagnosed? Yeah. What did you see that made you think?

Geoff 21:15
Yeah, so that's also one thing I really wanted to share. Because, I mean, I've obviously listened to most of your episodes. And I haven't quite heard a diagnosis story quite like Madeline come close a couple of times, where people catch it early. But not quite as early as we caught hers. So I just kind of wanted to share that a little bit. So in the fall of 21, Madeline got a urinary tract infection. She got penicillin important. We didn't think that much of it. I mean, her mom's had lots of those, though, we just don't pick on us on and on you go. I'm a skier, alpine skier, I spend my winters in the mountain skiing. And I have a small little camper that I put up at a ski area every year. And so Madeline and I would spend our weekends in the camper scheme. And I mean, you can imagine they're pretty close quarters, they're small. And we have it, there's a little like, porta Potti thing in there. I don't know what you call it. And so she would do her business in there. And like you don't open the latch. You keep the latch closed until you're done. And then you open the latch. And he runs down into this holder thing underneath the camper. And so we're there one weekend, and I'm like, hey, you know, he just smells strong. And so we had gone up on Thursday, we were coming home on Sunday. And for some reason, I can't remember why. But I was supposed to leave Madeline with her mom that Sunday evening. So I left her bedroom mom's and I said, I said hey, can you just take her by the local clinic and run a urine test on her? Because I think she might be getting an infection again. He was like, Yeah, you know, that's no problem. So Monday, they went in, they left a urine sample came back negative. And the nurses were like, well, that's kind of weird, wait 48 hours, and, you know, do it again. So they went back on Wednesday, did it again. And it also came back negative. So they that sets like that kicks in a protocol and a couple other tests they do. Were one of them was that they they do a stick your finger and they actually take a urine sample and send it away to have it tested. So he came back in and her blood sugar was elevated, or that fingerstick blood sugar was elevated. So you're gonna have to you might have to get your calculator out. I only know the Swedish number systems or the European system, I guess. All right, I'm ready we have. So four to 10 is our target range here, right, which I guess is like 70 to 180 for you. But she came back the blood sugar thing came back with 11 in her finger. We all know from listening to your podcasts that you know you can eat a pizza and drink two liters of coke. And you can get your blood sugar to go up but then it comes back again. So we thought well, maybe it's just that. But when when that happened then because she was elevated, the doctors wanted to come back again in a couple of days and again in a couple of days. So it actually took them a couple of days to like really start to get the idea that she might have diabetes. But they weren't sure. In fact, the other day, I was looking through her journal and it says in a journal like unlikely to have diabetes. And that's actually a doctor's comment in there was so early, even

Scott Benner 24:41
though they didn't even though her brother has type one. Yes.

Geoff 24:45
And it's actually noted in all the posts in her journal, brother half brother has type one. But the doctors just were like, No, we don't know we can't confirm this yet.

Scott Benner 24:58
That seems misguided. I have To be honest, I mean 11 blood sugars is 200. It's, you know, it's high, it's high, it's higher than you should be able to get your blood sugar if your pancreas is, is, is working properly.

Geoff 25:12
Yeah, yeah. So then like they went into some other clinics, like we're just doing this out on like the local community, doctor's office where we're at, and they then they send them into the clinics here in town, which are like, they have a lot more advanced equipment and stuff. So they started and then they did anyone see test on her? And you're gonna have to help me on this as well. I have no idea like, numbers are in in sure the American equivalent, but 43 I think it's a 6.1. Was her a one C on February 8. She had and that's basically she was checked into the hospital

Scott Benner 25:52
with a 40 drops or a 43. A one C? Yeah. Man, my, my, my calculator doesn't go that high.

Geoff 26:02
So no, no, no, no, but I mean, like this, the Swedish equivalent of like, we use a different scale for the A onesies here. And I I've only found one thing on the internet that converted? I can't find any other thing. Yeah. So what I found the conversion to be as a 6.1, I think, or a one C was February, it was 6.1. Gotcha. And 11 days later, her agency was 6.6. I don't know, maybe you can tell me? Should there be room for variation like Canon a one seed read wrong when they test it? You have any experience with that? Have you heard anything about that,

Scott Benner 26:42
but genuinely says that an AE one c is an average of three months, but it's heavily weighted towards the time closest to when you're taking the test. So I mean, could she have had a whole week of like normal blood sugars that would have made it go down a little bit? That That doesn't seem unreasonable?

Geoff 27:03
Well, between that. So in those other days, it went up from 6.1 to six months,

Scott Benner 27:09
I'm sorry, or vice, but actually, you know, like, she could have had less help from her pancreas for a week, and then it could have ranged up. That's it?

Geoff 27:18
Yeah. Because then it did go down again. Three weeks later, it was actually lower. But then we had started administering insulin.

Scott Benner 27:29
It just sounds like so an average honeymoon of there's some help than there isn't, then there is.

Geoff 27:34
Yeah. So and this is also something that I wanted to share with you because this, like her a one sees over the last well, basically exactly a year, I think are uninteresting scale are interesting to think about in terms of what management gear we had. So when we started when we got the official diagnosis on February 19, that she had a one, or that she had type one. That's when we got the antibodies back. Would they confirm and it took them a while to get that. So we only have one lab here in Sweden, it's way down in the south of Sweden. So any blood tests that are done anywhere in the country, get transported down to this lab at the very, very bottom of the country. That lab is obviously as what you just said it was very high in the world. In terms of new cases, they're brushed with work, they got a lot to do to test all these things. So it took them a couple of days to get it back. Like they couldn't just do it on site or anything. So it took a while. So they started us with a Libra one and pens. When her a ones he was 6.6. And buy exactly two months later. So on the 12th of April, her her Influency was 6.5. So she hadn't really I think she was still hunting winning pretty hard than she was only using 11 units a day. That's both with long acting and the short acting. And then fast forward three, three months to the middle of June, I guess it's only two months, middle of June, then we've switched over to the two. But we got her on a pump on the dash. And so on the middle of June her agency was 6.8. So it had gotten up a little bit more. And then after the summer, going September, she was holding steady at 6.8 than the last reading that we have. So we put on a Dexcom on I think like mid November and on December 8 So what about nine months and my guess 910 months in or agency was 6.9 and this is where everything changed. inched, okay. So the Dexcom and the dash together, like they changed everything for us. And I really want to like, I want to share this because there's so many people who use these things and they get such better results for a one see from December 8 until February 10, which was her one year went from 6.9 to 6.2. Which for me, that's a nice reduction. Yeah. That's a nice downswing. But I was really happy about that. So we have a target. Here in Sweden, they set a target, like what they want people do strive for, are there a one See, and that's 6.5. Like they say, if you can keep a 6.5, then that's good. And they don't they want less than 18% lows. And they want less than 20% highs. But they want you to stay. Like there's Facebook groups here called 5.5. That's where they want your blood sugar to be. Yeah,

Scott Benner 31:04
less than 18%. Lows. I find that to be a high number. Honestly, yeah. Yeah.

Geoff 31:12
Well, they want they want obviously, they want like no extreme lows, but they want it. I mean, that's like they say like, that's what's your max should be like from any given a one seat to the next. I don't have more than 80%.

Scott Benner 31:27
Well, I mean, that's yeah, I would like to, I'd like to see you have fewer lows than 18% of your of your reading speed. Be lows. You don't I mean, it's a little. It seems high to me. But so

Geoff 31:39
at our one year, we did an A one C, and she had less than 4%. Lows. That's great. So yeah, so we were we're doing good. And she had, I think she was 72% in range, no extreme hives. So and obviously, like your Facebook group and your podcast was the one of the biggest contributing factors to this are what I consider to be our success. But I remember so vividly. We would go in for these quarterly meetings or every other month meetings and they would put this graph up, and they'd look okay. And now we're going to adjust her basil here and adjust your basil there. I kept thinking to myself, I want to do that graph. I don't want to wait two months to have to go into the doctor's office to see that graph. And then I listened to your episode, which was at the ninja IQ with Jeremy, where he goes through the AGP report. In three weeks, we got our dial down between 4.5 and seven on our blood sugar. We jumped from about 56% and range to over 70%. And we've stayed there. We've stayed there since then, even though she's even though she's had the stomach flu, which threw her off for three weeks and we had crazy numbers. And two weeks ago, she broke her leg got a spiral fracture in her right way. Which I thought was kind of interesting, because that mess with our numbers, your body. I think your body sends out all kinds of hormones, including loss of adrenaline and stuff when you go through that kind of acute pain. Sure. And so she like for the first time in three months, her blood sugar went up to 18, which is really high number and her mom said I just couldn't get it down. Like I will go down insulin. So she had to just kind of wait and let it float down. Like when the pain subsided. The adrenaline stopped flowing. Yeah. And then our blood sugar would just kind of float down.

Scott Benner 33:39
Here. adrenaline's crazy out it's Yeah. Do you and your ex? Do you guys agree on how to manage? Yes

Geoff 33:49
and no. That's also something I wanted to talk about because we have like we share Madeline 50% of the time. It's kind of weird to share but Madeline is with us 50% So we are on on a seven day rolling schedule. In terms of doing a lot of like the programming of her basil program and stuff and the dash I've done a lot of that myself based on listening to your podcast and asking the doctor endo for help and stuff. She had up until December 8, like our appointment where everything changed there. She had her own basil program. And I remember that when we were there and I said I was gonna leave Madeline whether I said oh don't forget to change the Basal program yours. And the doctor looked at her and the doctor looked at me and he looked back at her he said don't change from Jeff's Basal program. Leave it on her leave it on his and that's the one we've been dialed in on since then. Now that's been working so well for us. And that's solely because I was using the AGP report like every two to four days and I would make this small adjustment. And I'd wait two days, make a small adjustment a few days, you know, just like Jeremy said to do just like you're supposed to do that. And just, it's amazing how well it works. It's really, really great.

Scott Benner 35:10
That's and what a win. By the way, Jeff in the doctor's office finally being told you're right.

Geoff 35:15
Yeah. Yeah. I mean, think about think about where strike three is coming from. I mean, she's been taking care of her son's diabetes for eight years. I mean, she's pretty routine to us. He knows what she's doing.

Scott Benner 35:28
Well, my next, my next question was going to be has anything that you've done with Madeline made its way to her half brother?

Geoff 35:37
Not that I know of, not directly anyway, because when he was, he's 16. Now when he was 13, he basically took over his own management, okay. And kind of said, you know, Mom and Dad, you don't have to get involved in this. And it's been, I mean, he's, he's not doing too bad, but he's not doing great. In fact, the doctor said to Madeline at the last appointment, he said, you know, Maddie, I want you to go tell your brother that he needs to have as good of a onesie as you do. So,

Scott Benner 36:11
does the half brothers see you as a step parent?

Geoff 36:15
Not anymore. He did for the 10 years that we live together. I was a step that for sure. And that's another thing that I've, you know, been in a Facebook group. And you know, there's when I joined a Facebook group, there was only 23,000 people. Now what, what are the numbers now? 35,000?

Scott Benner 36:33
I don't that's unimportant to brag about these things. is huge. Yeah. We're about to get the 38

Geoff 36:42
Yeah, that's gigantic. Anyway, but you see, you see posts in there a lot about it had dads who don't take care of their, their kids when they're with, you know, weather with them in the monitor all and seem nervous when the kids are with their fathers. And I get that because those fathers in there aren't doing a good job. But there's gotta be fathers out there that are also doing good. Mike. I am

Scott Benner 37:07
Jeremy is a great example to Jeff, you know, I mean, yeah.

Geoff 37:10
And I've seen some other names in there. And I'm like, Wow, you guys know what you're doing. There's a couple other guys that make some really good posts on there. One thing I thought about a couple weeks ago, I was like, I wonder if Scott realizes how biggest hair

Scott Benner 37:25
my weight my wife,

Geoff 37:28
your hair on? Quite the following a women's

Scott Benner 37:33
I've never thought of it that way. I've never once said to my wife be nice to me or I will just go just go to my corner find a lady who would be appreciative of these things that I'm good at.

Geoff 37:48
No, so but kind of bring it back to to when I was a stepdad to Madeline's half brother, his mom didn't really let me get too involved in his care. Sometimes I would go down and check on him at the night and during the nights and you know, I don't hear it, take some take some sugar tablets and fall back asleep. But I I mean, honestly, when Madeline diabetes, I didn't know anything. I really didn't know anything. I didn't know what any one C was. I didn't know the difference between a dash and a pen. I didn't die went on a serious crash board. That's also another thing that I just wanted to share was so kind of a crazy story. So back up to the weeks before Madeline's diagnosis. So I had bought an airline ticket to the States to visit my cousin in California. The day that Madeline's mom called me to tell me that you'd likely as if one were being admitted to the hospital, I was sitting at the gate at the airport to get on my plane to the US. Oh, wow. And I said to her, I said, Do I need to walk away from the gate? And she says, No, it's okay, go. But like program yourself that when you get back, you're going straight to the hospital. So when I came back, home, I went straight straight to the hospital and spent a couple of days there with her just to do all the educating stuff. Because I was green. I didn't know what I was doing was totally green. Yeah.

Scott Benner 39:17
And so even though your steps on for that time had type one, you just weren't that involved in it. Five

Geoff 39:23
years. We lived in the same house and and I say, you know, I wasn't let into his care. I would have been willing to learn more and stuff. But mother was pretty restrictive and and didn't want to. Didn't want to let go of the of the control and the care side of it. Yeah. And it's, I mean, it's not easy to have your Be responsible for your kid for a week. And then let him go for a week. And then get him again a week later. That's a that's a That's not a real easy thing to do.

Scott Benner 40:01
Of course not. Plus, I don't think she was that sure about you.

Geoff 40:07
Apparently not.

Scott Benner 40:10
She was still deciding it was only five years. So you mentioned Omni pod and Dexcom are those things that are readily available where you live, or you bind them somewhere else.

Geoff 40:24
So here's another thing that I did. This is also one of the things that I wanted to share. Because I believe that when you when you know up for the go have an alternative, you can like, kind of deal with your own situation a little bit better. But you guys in the US, you have this whole phenomenon of insurance and insurance companies can dictate, you know, what gear you have, or what management tools you have kind of stuff. We have socialized medicine here. So everyone, regardless of age, and everything you need for diabetes is paid for by the Government. Wow. So yeah, I've even seen like on the Facebook group, somebody posted. Yeah, there's the Remove little sachets, you know, that you use to get the glue off your body, like those are on sale on Amazon, go buy them, right, wow, we get we get that for free. We don't pay for anything. I have a whole cabinet of stuff in the kitchen. And I don't have to hoard. Because I don't have to think about my economy, I just go down to the pharmacy and get new ones when I need it. If it's run out if they're if it's done in her. I can't think of the word of it. The word. This is kind of a weird phenomenon with me. You know, I've learned a lot of words in Swedish. And I can't always translate something

Scott Benner 41:52
interesting. I speak to a lot of people who are, you know, don't have English as their first language. And there's, there's, there's always a moment where they go, I can't find the word for this. Yeah, but listen, in fairness, Sweden has a third of the population of Texas. So yeah, it's probably

Geoff 42:10
the size the size of California 10 million in population. And to give an idea of a reference.

Scott Benner 42:18
Is it pretty spread out? Yes.

Geoff 42:20
I wouldn't say when they say like three fourths of the population lives in a third, the southern third of the country?

Scott Benner 42:26
Oh, I see. Yeah. Okay. Because it's a that's a quarter of the population of California. So that's pretty interesting. But I mean, still, I don't know if he can, if it works. There's part of me that's like, Why can't somebody scale it? You know, I mean, if it works, yeah.

Geoff 42:42
I've had that discussion a lot with people over the years. Why would you know, would be first the Swedish political system work? And would the socialized medicine work? And I'm just not sure that it would work in a country as big as the US 360 360 million people or something like that? I don't know why I think that might just need to be.

Scott Benner 43:04
What's your tax? Tax Rate?

Geoff 43:07
What do you tax a 33%? Income tax?

Scott Benner 43:10
33%. So that's, that's a percentage that I think here would be, I can look it up. But I think that would be pretty indicative of making hundreds of 1000s of dollars a year to get the 33% here. Yeah, I mean, that's, so that's gonna see you pay a higher tax percentage than we do. Generally speaking,

Geoff 43:32
but you know, we get quite a lot for it. I mean, the socialized medicine is pretty impressive. I actually, I didn't, like I said earlier, I didn't know I don't know any adults with type one. So I actually posted on Swedish Facebook group. For Kids. I said, Hey, to adults pay for any management stuff here in Spain, and they said, like several people immediately wrote back, no, you don't pay for anything. What you do pay for is you pay like a $25 copay. When you go to the doctor for your, for your annual and, or something like that. Yeah,

Scott Benner 44:06
well, the doctor needs peer money. So we have our tax rates ranged from 10% to 37. So it's 1012 20 to 2430 to 3537. So I was kind of close with my guess. But yeah, then that, you know, obviously goes up as you make more and more money, but is it for there and

Geoff 44:28
it does here as well. You can you can go all the way up to things like 48 No,

Scott Benner 44:35
I wouldn't even work. Jeff, if you took 40% of my money. I'd say Oh, I'm homeless. Now you take care of me getting any effort from Scott anymore?

Geoff 44:47
I'm not sure about those numbers. But I mean, it gets it goes up pie but that's a really small percentage of the population. Yeah. There's a lot of people who like say no to raises because they don't want to move up.

Scott Benner 44:58
I don't care how wealthy that person is there banging them to their head right on the wall as we speak right now. 48 all I was talking about

Geoff 45:05
when they I think when they reached a bracket they probably move to another country with for the better tax.

Scott Benner 45:10
Yeah, I gotta go. In here I come my kids, my kids are gonna get diabetes, and you're taking half of my income. Terrific. absolutely terrific. what a what a? What a visitor's guide. It must be come to Sweden. diabetes will take your money. But hey, I

Speaker 2 45:32
really only free it does it doesn't work out? Does it work out just like do you stop and think about the money you put out? And then the money you're saving by not putting it? Is it kind of a wash?

Geoff 45:43
You know, I think we've got it really good here. So you don't have to think about I mean, obviously, I'm like, tunnel vision a little bit? Doesn't my daughter's type one. But I don't I have five weeks paid vacation every year has a minimum. My kids if they want to go to university, they pay like a couple $100 a year. Usually they can get paid to go over the university if they set it up, right. So there's a lot of things that are way different. I hear all the time about how much Americans like how much you spent on your kids. College patients is just astronomical. Some. Yeah, but on the other hand, for the same job, you probably make twice as much money as us. But you need to because your cost of living as a lot higher. Yeah,

Scott Benner 46:31
I'd be embarrassed to tell you what I paid to send my son to school.

Geoff 46:36
It's terrible. It's probably more than what I make in a decade.

Scott Benner 46:41
If we'll talk afterwards, because I want to know, because if that's if that's true, I'm more upset. Like Arctic Ardens is significantly cheaper than coals was, and still flabbergasted by how much money I sent for her. So. So

Geoff 46:57
here's another thing that you if you want to if you want to look at more things in the equation, so what do we get for the money that we pay in taxes? Well, we get 450 days to be home paid with our newborn children. 450 days, Scott, think about that. Yeah, I wouldn't have not 40 to 57 days in a row like you can break it up.

Scott Benner 47:18
I see that. Here's my here's how I'm wired. I want to hear more about this. But if you gave me that much time off, I wouldn't go back to work.

Geoff 47:26
Well, you know, you keep pumping up the kids and you don't have to go back to work.

Scott Benner 47:29
I mean, psychologically, I don't believe I could. I think I'd be like, I can't go do that anymore. I'm accustomed to another lifestyle. Okay, so a lot of days off if I make a baby, what else?

Geoff 47:41
Well, the college education free. For free. Yeah. socialized medicine. We have huge subsidies on all kinds of other stuff as well. Yeah, I mean, I, it's interesting, my strike to right. She's actually Dutch. She moved up here worked for an American guy at the hospital and did research in the field of psychology. He had lived here for at that time, for like 30 years and East. And he was a PhD doctor in psychology working with pain research. That's a huge field internationally, obviously. And he we had dinner with him one evening, and we talked back and forth about you know, why did why do you choose to stay in Sweden when you could go to America and make five times what you're making here? Even maybe six or seven times the amount of money? And he said, Yeah, but you know, I get five weeks of paid vacation every year. I get all the holidays off, I work 40 hours a week. I have money every year. Even though I have all this time off, I make enough money that I can take my family to America and visit their relatives every year. And I I get paid to do that. It's just a different, like work environment. You

Scott Benner 49:00
know, I know my wife works with some people in Europe, generally speaking. And there's times where she's like, well, we can't get this project done for two weeks because they're on holiday. And you know, and it shuts

Geoff 49:13
down. Sweden shuts down for I would say from about June from about the fifth or 10th of July, somewhere in there the second week of July until the second week of August. So that four week block is you don't get along. Yeah, it

Scott Benner 49:31
makes me mental. I haven't had five weeks off in 10 years. Like I just I just literally get up every day and make this podcast and then on the weekends I try to like not die so that I can do it again. Try to try to sleep and

Geoff 49:46
I've heard all about your scratches and he says you need to stay out of your garden. Please

Scott Benner 49:53
I have to cut the lawn later today. I'm scared But no seriously, like we don't take time off like like when my wife He talks about a gap where she's like Cancun seems like it makes people mental here. They're like, you know, I mean, it's work and die. Like that's pretty much what we do. So in

Geoff 50:10
January of this year, so just couple months ago, I was over in visiting my mom and Alaska and was there for my stepfather's memorial service or celebration of life. And I met this gal, and we were talking and she said, Yeah, I was sick. And I missed work for two weeks. And I thought, wow, that way of phrasing it would never go through my head. I would say I was sick for two. These See, there's no reference to work. Like her reference was, I was away from work for two weeks. My reference is I was sick for two weeks. But we she and I could have been saying the exact same thing, like referring to the same thing.

Scott Benner 50:50
Oh, no, for sure. You get sick here. You worry about your job immediately. Yeah.

Geoff 50:54
So it's a different it's a different environment creates a different kind of mentality. Yeah, yeah, I'm not so sure you can you can slide the one towards the other. We like our five weeks vacation. Yeah.

Scott Benner 51:05
So there's no like, the killer be killed. vibe. Doesn't? doesn't live there.

Geoff 51:12
No, no.

Unknown Speaker 51:13
Interesting.

Geoff 51:14
You know, I pay I pay $14 A month insurance. Which is if, if for whatever reason I am to become unemployed, I get 80% of my salary a year. On national insurance policy that cost me $14. That sounds which is nothing. Yeah,

Scott Benner 51:35
that's crazy. My gosh, our health insurance costs hundreds of dollars a month comes out of your check. And then there's another I think, for us, like six or $8,000. That's out of pocket before it starts paying that year. So I probably pay 10 or $12,000 a year to insure my kids and that it's funny, I think of myself as having good insurance. Like no live this morning, my brother asked me about a medication. And he and I'm a medication I'm using and he was thinking of somebody in his family is thinking of using it. And he said, What do you pay for this? And I said, $24. And he goes, Wait, I thought it was like and he gave me a number? And I said, Oh no, that's my insurance cost $24. I have good insurance. It's what I said. And now I realize, well, but the medication is so expensive. Without insurance, this specific medication, if I if I used it without insurance, it would cost I think $2,000 a month. So I guess technically because I'm using my insurance it's paying for for itself. But people who don't use it move, you know, they get Yeah, they get run over. You're paying you're paying just in case, and then something doesn't happen, you know, whatever. But okay, so I'm sorry, my original question. I'm still not sure about though, that was like 20 minutes ago, they sell on the pod and Dexcom are readily available in Sweden. Yes, yes.

Geoff 53:02
So. So there's like, there's kind of a traditional, there's the old school traditional way of starting in with diabetes, they want you so you get hooked up with the Libra one, basically immediately for children. And they want you to do MDI. And at that time, when I knew Madeline's brother had, he had Dexcom and a dash. And I was like, why don't we just start on that right away? The doctors like Well, yeah, you know, we want you for the first thing. There's two uses only 11 units of insulin a day, which is like not enough to justify using the Omni pod. But they wanted us to learn so that we would be able to use them later. And in fact, I'm very thankful for that. Now when I can look back in retrospect, when I mean when she's got a sticky Hi, and I think the site is bad. If it's day three of the pod, I'll pull the pot off and give her an injection. And I wait you know, 45 minutes for for the the numbing thing you put on her arm helped me wait

Scott Benner 54:08
the numbing thing you put it on? I don't. I don't we don't use it numbing thing you put like a cream on.

Geoff 54:14
It's an eye cream. It's like a It's a band aid that has like this numbing stuff in it. You put it on, you put it on where you're going to set the pod and it will like desensitize that area of skin and you leave it on for half an hour and then you put the pot on and you really can't feel the annual going in. Oh she's She's sensitive. So we do that.

Scott Benner 54:36
That's very nice, but I'll use what's actually that's very nice of you when Arden said it hurt when she was little I'm like it'll stop

Geoff 54:44
away. Let me go no so so but I'll always give her an injection like you know, she's floating high and I can't get it down because it's day three. I'll give her an injection and pull the power off and that works really well. And there are there are times when she's at school so her holes school staff, her resources, a school that take care of over, they're all trained with depends as well. Because if she for pod falls off at nine o'clock in the morning, well, I don't want to dish out to work to go fix that. So they need to give us the penance for the day. So it's kind of this thing. And so I'm glad that we have that knowledge and that ability to use it. And she's not afraid of them. Yeah. All this kind of stuff. I find that helpful.

Scott Benner 55:25
I take your point, and I don't discount at all. There's one thing that you said that, that I wanted to respond to was the idea that she was only using 11 units a day. And that would be a waste of the pod. I still don't see it that way. I guess. Like, there's still things you can do with the insulin pump you can't do with MDI. And

Geoff 55:41
I didn't know that until I listened to the ninja IQ up. So but when I learned that, I was like, yeah, no, don't you dare take my pot away from me. Don't take. Don't Don't do that. So like that. It just is. I mean, yeah, yeah, you got to understand that it was just a massive game changer. Like getting the understanding of the AGP report and being able to myself go in and make the micro adjustments and just watch her curve flatten out. I was just like, Man, I did my little my little dance lots of times those weeks. Yeah. I put my little blue cape on, and I did my live with dignity. Damn. I was I was celebrating the successes on twice a week, watching that curve flatten out. I was it was amazing.

Scott Benner 56:26
That's excellent. Hey, Jeff, I know you have a lot on your list to do and we've already been talking for an hour and I don't feel like divorcing you which I found surprising. But I

Geoff 56:38
you know, there's no StrikeForce you have to make up a new sport.

Scott Benner 56:43
It just wanted to make sure we're getting to the things you wanted to talk about.

Geoff 56:49
Last one, you're having fun, I don't want to go.

Scott Benner 56:54
I don't know if you start getting on my nerves or something. You know what I mean, I might have to go.

Geoff 57:00
Well, there's a couple more things that I want to share that I find. Maybe useful. Probably more just interesting. So because of Finland's high rates and Sweden's high rate, and both countries have socialized medicine, which means all kids have gear. And every single time you go into your Endo, you upload everything into this database. Okay, what's it called? diacetyl diacetyl, or something like that. You have something like I've

Scott Benner 57:30
seen that here. Yeah, we don't. We usually go in and they're like, You have anything download? We're fine. Just let's get the prescriptions right and get out of here.

Geoff 57:38
But what's the word I was looking for a little while ago? prescription? Oh, you

Scott Benner 57:41
couldn't find that word. Okay. Did you not have them? Well, how do you get? Yeah, oh,

Geoff 57:45
yeah. Oh, yeah. So the endo writes a prescription puts the whole list of stuff in there. And then when something runs out, we just make a phone call. Hey, can you renew this prescription? Yeah, we'll do it for another year.

Scott Benner 57:57
Wow. A year, it's nice to get lucky if we get three months.

Geoff 58:02
Everything is extended a year? Or based on count? So like, the Remove little sachets things? I'll get like two boxes at a time. I don't know how many there are. But there's hundreds in the box. So yeah, every couple of years, I'll get a new box. Okay. I see. Anyway, so I wanted to go back. So every time a kid goes in for quarterly checkup or biannual checkup, all the data from their PDM, or whatever is uploaded into a database. That database is all the data from Finland and Sweden, to all the kids in Finland, all the kids in Sweden are uploaded into a database. And you can't google search this database, I asked Matty's endo about this, it's not a public thing, because it's really like a secure database needs to be, but all of the management tool companies in the world will ask to get numbers out of this database. So a lot of the statistics that you see in a lot of this data that's used to further develop the gear that we're all using, comes out of the Swedish and Finnish database, which I find really interesting to know. And that is made possible because I believe because of our relatively small populations and our high percentage of management use, though, we're all using electronic devices that save all the data and that can be loaded up into the database. But I think that's, that's just interesting to know. So and sometimes, this is probably one of my cry, like when I think about, you know, Maddies management on my, my daughter's type one, and our efforts to take care of her are not only helping her but in a long kind of long shot way through that. Database, there's lots of kids in the world who have a better day to day life, thanks to the management tools that are available, that are partially developed out of this database. I find that kind of interesting. No, the world is a small place. Yeah,

Scott Benner 1:00:15
and not just the kids that are alive now and living with type one, but the stuff that's going to happen moving forward, it's going to happen more quickly, more efficiently, you know, algorithms are going to get better and better. And, you know, all that stuff is, I mean, it's moving, we're at the beginning

Geoff 1:00:34
of, of what's actually going to happen, I think, yeah.

Scott Benner 1:00:38
It's very easy to like, you know, I'll draw a parallel. Maybe I don't need to talk about it. A management company approached me about managing my, me. I don't know, apparently, I'm, I'm very low. Well, I might want to divorce you. I might be, I might be a very low level celebrity. So I was approached by a management company who said, you know, stuff like we think we can grow the podcast, we think we can, you know, get you speaking engagements, like stuff like that, right. And so we were having kind of an introductory conversation. And I said, well, the podcast has been up for nine years. But it really just took off about four years ago. And that's a hard thing to wrap your head around that over half of the time I've been doing this was just preamble, you know, not that it wasn't helping somebody in the first five years. But speaking about scope, and scale, it was just preamble getting to it. Like I don't actually think the podcast is done growing. I think it might just be at a tipping point, now kind of coming up this year, in the next year. And it's funny, when you think about management styles of diabetes, you can look back, you know, and say, Oh, well, they came up with insulin in the 20s. And but yeah, but a lot of that's preamble, right. Like a lot of it is like when you think I mean, how amazing it is that somebody found insulin. I'm not saying otherwise. But you know, it was probably catches catch can for a while. And even now are still people were like, I've been alive with diabetes for this many years. And I've been using insulin since and you can't find a rhyme or reason why it worked out for that person. You know, it's just in the last me my opinion, the last 10 or so years, when CGM came. And now I mean, look at how fast things are moving. You know, 20 years ago, you were still it was still a little like good luck. You know, 30 years ago, they still don't expect you to live very long. And now we're talking about a technology that came out that a pump is attached to, and now people are getting their insulin without having to do it. Crazy. And that's all just in the last decade, you know. So anyway, that inflection point, it's a long lead up a long runway to get to sometimes the good part, so.

Geoff 1:03:04
So yeah. And that's interesting. And that leads me into something that I also wanted to share. So two more things that I want to I want to share. And one of them, I'm probably enough to get my go give me some juice here in a little bit. You're fine. She's slowly drifting down, we'll see. We'll see what happens. Anyway, so I went to this diabetes symposium a couple of weeks ago, and there was a speaker there who is like one of the most prominent researchers in the Taiwan field in Sweden, and in fact, in the world. And he's published science in scientific journals more than 407 years of 470 times seven over 700 articles. He's either an author or co author, too. So this is a like, a central figure in in the research of type one. Obviously, the question is, where are we when's the cure, etc, etc. And he did this long presentation about why he why why where they are in their research, and where he thinks it's going to be in 10 years. And he said, he hopes that they're going to be making some significant breakthroughs in 10 years, and within the next 10 years, and one of those things that he referred to was the autoimmune condition of I think it's called psoriasis or excema, or something that's a skin condition. And he said that they're actually making like real progress in that medical condition. And that they want to try and use some of the ideas that they're doing with that autoimmune illness and put it into the type one diabetes. Okay. And he had this long explanation I thought was interesting about why they think that Diabetes starts in kids. Because his his, like Central Research is with children. And so he, he explained like he had, he explained like where the pancreas is in the body, and why we can't take like tissue samples have it because it's like way down in the in the part of the body, it's like, behind all the other organs, you can't really get to it without messing around with all the other organs on the way in. And he said that if you look at the physiology of it, the biology of it, there's a tube that goes from the pancreas down into the intestine, that tube is connected to the tube from the gallbladder. And those two things together go down into the intestine, where the food leaves the stomach and goes in the first section of the intestine where it's actually really broken down. And then you start to pull the nutrition out of it. And he said that. So one of the things that can happen is that the, all the enzymes and the bacteria and stuff from that section of the intestine can go back the other way on accident. So there's a vowel that's not working really well. And he said, I said, I thought was fascinating. And he said, so you know that people can have their gallbladders taken out. And I was like that, and I was like, wait a minute, Maddies mom had her gallbladder taken out. And when they took it out, there was over 150 stones in her gallbladder, when most of them were the size of peas, or maybe a corn, like a piece of corn, but three of them were the size of marble, like say the andyour thumb like they were you, right? And he said that that is a consequence of like, bacteria and things going where they are not supposed to be. And your body tries to fight them off. They say, Well, what if it doesn't go to the gallbladder and it goes into your pancreas, and your body then has to fight this somehow on the gallbladder. What it does is it it puts up, makes a stone out of whatever gets in there. And in the pancreas, your immune system shoots there, and takes it takes it down. Right? Well then it's also taking down the, the the islets which produce the T cells which produce the insulin, it says in the end, they think they're hypothesizing about that this, they think this might be one of the reasons it starts on I was thinking to myself, Okay, so Madeline's mother has two children with type one and herself taking her gallbladder out. I don't know, this could be a reach big, big, big reach. But I can't stop thinking about it. Like it just something that I chew on a little bit. And the other thing that he said was that when babies are born, their pancreas is the size of your little finger. And when you're an adult is about the size of an average sized banana. He said, so if this kind of thing is happening, where these enzymes or bacteria or whatever going up into the pancreas, when they're babies, then they're affecting a larger percentage of the pancreas than it would in an adult. And he thinks that that might be one of the reasons that it's there's more cases of Type one developing in small children.

Scott Benner 1:08:20
Who's this person or children isn't

Geoff 1:08:22
even as hola Courtney Gilliam as first name is o l l e and his last name is K O R S. GR em. If you go on Google Scholar and and search his name, you can see all the articles at

Scott Benner 1:08:36
least spell the last name again.

Geoff 1:08:39
Kors g r e n.

Scott Benner 1:08:44
Okay, I have. Thank you.

Geoff 1:08:49
It's fascinating that he it went on and on and on. He had graphs and he was talking about, you know, why don't why aren't we working as a society in the medical community? Why aren't we working to prevent the onset of a type one, instead of just treating the symptom of type one? Like, why are we passive? And that's an interesting question. Why are we why are we that and while we're good at it? Not a lot of people, not a lot of kids. No, no children. So far. I know children have died in Sweden from complications related to type one and over 10 years. That's a long time.

Scott Benner 1:09:31
There good. You guys are good at setting it up good at treating it. You make sure people have what they need. And yeah, maybe because of that, you lose, you lose focus on is it possible we could just be stopping this ahead of time? Because we're so good.

Geoff 1:09:47
So he was talking about what he wants to see in the future is like a higher screening. How can we go if there is autoimmune in the family then we can start screening these families. and checking for the antibodies? And how can we then develop ways to avoid more antibodies and specific first? Things like that, I thought it was really interesting. And he actually said, so like this is supposing it's funded by all the management tool company. So Dexcom and Omnipod, they were all there, they all have their tables, handing out brochures, and there was probably another 12 or 15 companies there with all of their gear, and he looked he hooked up in the auditorium, like towards the doors where these people were, I don't think you'll need those people out there, then you're, that's a pretty hefty statement to make there. And then that's how competent he is in what's going on. I don't want to give anybody false hopes. I mean, we just keep working on what you're doing. But the research community is moving forward, for sure.

Scott Benner 1:10:53
That's excellent. Also, I would be remiss not to point out that these people sometimes need donations to keep going and a lot of what they do is sales too. So it's it's tough. You know, like, it's tough to read through it all. It's incredibly interesting. It makes me wonder why if I get a, I see somebody get a pancreas transplant, and then they redevelop type one like that. Like would that be because that valve? You know, that all that process just happened again?

Geoff 1:11:25
Right? Well, it's a biological, I guess, like, mistake, you know, like that valve? doesn't close like it's supposed to? Yeah, are open and close. No, super

Scott Benner 1:11:33
interesting. Guys. Ready? Yeah. Listen, I never, I would never say, you know, no to anything like people. I hope people do all kinds of different research, just thinking about, like, what you just explained from this gentleman, just looking at it a different perspective, like somebody else could see the same thing and think, oh, it's obviously this and then their research starts from there. So you need everybody to kind of follow their heart and, and do the work and, and get funded. So they can do it. It's just it's tough, because I've been around this long enough to see what I what I kind of term research season comes around. And there's suddenly a lot of articles about like, Oh, we got this figured out, I got that figured out, make a donation to me and like, and it's tough, because newer diagnosed, parents get sucked into it really easily. And, you know, and it's tough, because you're like, Well, yeah, let me give them money. And it'll help. And, I mean, there's a lot of people doing research, and you know, most of them are wrong. So like, how do you? How do you know which one is which? But yeah, but you want it all to go forward? Like I said, I think that that's fascinating what he's laid out. Yeah, really interesting.

Geoff 1:12:47
Yeah, it was it was cool to sit there and listen to

Scott Benner 1:12:50
him. I imagine. Yeah. How long did it go? The talk? It was a

Geoff 1:12:53
full day. While this symposium was a full day deal. He spoke for an hour. So I mean, I just touched on it just like maybe getting 20% of everything.

Scott Benner 1:13:03
Yeah, that's really something

Geoff 1:13:04
I could regurgitate a lot more. But I thought this was the most the most interesting and he went in a lot about so that they're the eyelets in the in the pancreas that are shut down by the white blood cells that the body sends there to fight off whatever's happened, the infection that's happened? Well, they think the infection is from the bacteria from the intestine, why? But you said, we don't think that the cells are destroyed. We think that they're just kind of put into hibernation, like, anything. You said that we think we might be able to, we don't know, but we might be able to reactivate them. But until then, we need to start screening. Yeah. All this other stuff about?

Scott Benner 1:13:48
Well, avoiding good luck to him. That's right. Yeah.

Geoff 1:13:51
But I mean, it's, it's, there's some exciting stuff going on. Oh, for sure.

Scott Benner 1:13:55
That's excellent. Yeah. Let's see what else anything else? You said two things. Do you remember the last Yeah.

Geoff 1:14:02
One of the things that I really try and work with that I've taken a lot from the podcast. From obviously from from the Facebook group and stuff is in the beginning, I really struggle with managing my daughter, I felt like down a lot. And obviously in the beginning, things aren't going well and you have to learn and you have to learn but I've gotten to the point now where I realized that the way I think about things, the words I use to describe what I do and and and what Madeline has type one diabetes affects my mind my mindset on a day to day basis. And I've wanted to was like an example is I've chosen not to call type one a disease. I call it a chronic medical condition. And when you Google the word disease, it has a lot of negative connotations, but the word condition doesn't But on a dictionary level, there's not a lot of difference between the words. Like the difference is chronic is something that has to go on longer than a year. And a disease that there are references to like, like some kind of malfunction in the body. So I choose to, and maybe it's thanks to the I mean, I went down a big dark rabbit hole when Madeline got diagnosed, I was, I was with her in the hospital, when I found your podcast, we're talking like day two, after her diagnosis, and just learning more and more and more about it and figuring out how her body works and how to make everything as good as it can be, has made a big difference for my mental health. And, and I remember the doctor saying to me or the the therapist in her in her endo group, self care, take care of yourself, if you can't take care of yourself, if you're not taking care of yourself, then you're not taking care of your daughter as best as you can. I just I want to advocate for that. Because I think it's really important that first you choose the words wisely to just to explain what you're doing for yourself and for others, but also take care of yourself in your relationship with other people in your relationship to yourself. And in your relationship to five one. Yeah, I think it's really important. Well, I

Scott Benner 1:16:27
think the way you talk about it is the way you end up thinking about it. So that's just make sense to use words that are kind of Kinder, it's kind

Geoff 1:16:35
of a Yeah, kind of a self fulfilling prophecy. This is kind of the way I see it. Like, like you use use that expression. What is it something about expecting you get what you expect? Yes, yeah, exactly. And the words you use to describe what you expect is going to affect your mental health. Right.

Scott Benner 1:16:55
And if you so if you say I have a disease, then that's a that feels negative. And it has

Geoff 1:17:02
a negative connotation. And if you say on the other hand, my daughter, like my daughter has a disease, my daughter has a chronic medical condition. That sounds very different. Even if you say it in the same home, you think you have different associations to the word. So I choose like, I've done some posts on my Instagram, right? I talked about like, how I see my daughter's, like one where I talk about the words that I use, I just would like to advocate for people to think about that. And think about what they, what they call it for themselves and in their heads and, and stuff that makes a difference. You can see it in the Facebook group as well. How there's patterns from different people. Well, there's some people who who did. It's definitely the word disease that's used the most in the Facebook group, I hate this disease, this diseases is I'm done with this disease, all these kinds of diseases killing, I started to realize that I myself was being negative, negatively affected by those comments. And so I just I would I would actually, like find myself scrolling over them, like, Okay, I don't I don't want that negativism, I need something else. And then I would see people post about, we're getting this, we're making this work. We've got the upper hand now. And then I realized that that's what I I looked for. And it made me feel better. So you get what you get what you expect. Yeah, like you said,

Scott Benner 1:18:40
Well, I tried to, I try to think of it like this, and that everybody comes in at some different part of the journey. And there are going to be some people who were just like, been doing it for three months, they don't understand it, and they're overwhelmed. They're like, I hate this. And you know, there are going to be people who lived with it for their whole life and don't know don't understand it, yet. They might feel the same way. But if we let all those people together, they'll just reinforce to each other that it's horrible and they can't figure it out, blah, blah, blah. So you need other people there who are like hey, you know, I found out that this works or we've had a lot of success with this or try not calling it a disease and see if it doesn't make you feel like whatever your input is. And I think that's how that's how the community aspect of it is so valuable. You have to have people from every kind of like I said part on the journey. The problem is is that some of them are such neophytes that it feels like what they're saying is so negative sometimes, but it's just because of where they're at in the process. It

Geoff 1:19:48
could be a bad day like I get it oh my god I've I had bad days. I put my almost put my fist through a wall one weekend because I was just freaking out. I couldn't get her blood sugar's where I wanted them to be Be. And you know, that's where that Facebook group is absolutely invaluable. I've put a long post on there. This is all the these are all the factors. This is everything I've done. I'm like three people, I can name them. They're like, pirates. I was like, what? I didn't even think about that. And then two days later, so I upped her basil. Two days later, here comes the green snot. I was like, wow, this is amazing. Thank you. Thank you. Yeah,

Scott Benner 1:20:29
cuz you're making yourself mental. I mean, you've you've listed out every possible thing in the world. And they just like, Oh, you didn't think of this. It's like, when someone comes,

Geoff 1:20:37
you're looking at me, you're looking at my posts. And they're like, like, I put everything down. Like, my posts are long, like, every single thing I've you can possibly think of. And they're like, Yeah, virus,

Scott Benner 1:20:46
like, like, Oh, thank you. It really is lovely. Like it. It's just, you know, where else you're gonna get that from? You don't

Geoff 1:20:55
know. Exactly. And that's, like, I mean, you know, I'm, I'm a single father, I have my daughter 50% of the time. At two o'clock in the morning, I don't have anybody to call. But that Facebook group is always there. Always. I can't tell you like dozens and dozens of times, where the it has saved my sanity, going into the Facebook group making a posting and question and getting specific answers from specific people. And I'm like, Oh, thank you.

Scott Benner 1:21:26
I am completely proud of that group. It really is. Even when it goes to shouldn't be Oh, thank you, even when it goes through growing pains are there you know, once every once in a while someone comes in, and they're, they're just a mix of like, lost and angry and drunk. And you're like, alright, well, I think he tried to talk them down. You're like, Hey, calm down, like, you know, blah, blah, like just hanging out. Like, you'll see the group's not like this, you'll you know, and most people do like it as much as you think like, oh, I actually had a thought the other day, I said it out loud on the group. I was like, this space is so calm right now. Like, I really think we transcended something like we leveled up or something. It's, it's fascinating how well it's running. And, um, even though like, you know, once in a while, like, even behind the scenes, that there's people who, somebody who helps me moderate the group, and there are people who helped me, you know, they're like, group experts that leave links for people like, Hey, you have a question about this, and might be in this episode, and which is wonderful. Actually, I need more of those people. But, but like, every once in a while, like privately, we'll message each other. And I'd be like, I think this lady's drunk Does she seem drunk Do

you like, Let's get her a break here. I don't think she's having a good day. It's something else, like we went through a whole like we've gone through, we went through a wave where the group got very popular. And some people tried to come into it, and affect it, like they wanted it, I think they saw the power of it. And they wanted their message to be more brightly shown in there, which is even odd to me, because I don't stop anybody from talking about anything. So people are in there talking about all different ways they eat all different ways. They manage, like, you know, I don't care, like, it's all good to me. But it got to the point where it was oppressive. And, you know, we had to put in a rule that you don't tell people how to eat. And then you had to manage that rule. And it took, I'm not gonna lie to you, it took a year. And now it doesn't happen anymore. It's just really fascinating. Like you can, you can keep a space like that valuable and loving. Without it going crazy, you just have to kind of just bump and nudge it once in a while in the right directions.

Geoff 1:23:46
I mean, I, I live in a country with an amazing resources for type one management and care. We a year in or 15 months in whatever we are, we would not be where we are without your podcast. And without that group. That's just, that's just a fact. Thank you.

Scott Benner 1:24:06
That's very nice for you to share with me, I appreciate it. I really, I really do appreciate it. I mean, it's a labor of love at this point. It just really, it takes up all my time. And I don't mind. It's just wonderful.

Geoff 1:24:18
I leave an impressive library of information, are you you are in a process I kind of see it as like the wake from behind the boat, you know, it just keeps getting bigger and wider and wider. Keep going can't stop that kind of thing. It's just going to reach further and further and help more and more people on that's Wow, hat off to you. Thank you for the amazing accomplishment in life. It's not many people who can can pull that off.

Scott Benner 1:24:44
Well, you know, a decade or so ago. I just had. It's longer than that. Now I just had a popular blog, and I tried to get a company to bring it everybody together, because my first thought was all these, like great bloggers are writing. But nobody knows about all of them. They know about one or two of them, we should put them in a centralized location. Like, what if a company came along and just, I don't know, just subsidize the bloggers little bit paid them. And it's like, you know, here, we want to use your content here in this in a hub. And I pitched that idea to a couple people, and they're like, I'm like, you know, trying to try to, you know, they're, they're trying to run a business. I was like, it would be amazing. Like, you'd bring all the great voices together in one place. And, you know, you could put your signage at the bottom, you know, whatever, you know, we support this. Cattle.

Geoff 1:25:37
Yeah, otherwise grow. Yeah. You're trying, yeah, be you know,

Scott Benner 1:25:41
I don't mind your capitalism, if you don't mind us helping people. And nobody, nobody was up for that. And I was like, Alright, so then I moved along, and I watched the space again, everything's still to me, it was too fragmented. I was like, This can't help anybody. Like, it'll help the people who find it. But it can't find enough people. So can't really onScale help anybody. And that's when I thought, well, I could just keep having these conversations. And this will be a centralized location for the information, then, again, I can't take credit for the Facebook thing. Like I knew it was a good idea. I just didn't do it. Like, I mean, any, like marketing 101 for a podcast was how you like, have your own Facebook group. But I just thought I was like, I just don't really want to do that. It just seemed like a lot of work to me at the time. And the truth is, is that most, if I'm being honest, most podcasts that start through on Facebook group, they don't become very popular. And then they're just they languish, they have a couple of 1000 followers and nothing comes of it. It's a place where you post links to your new, you know, podcast episodes, and nobody clicks on. And so I just like, oh, it's gonna go that way. I don't want to be bothered with it. And then enough people came to me and they're like, We really need a place to talk about the podcast as well, this many people are saying it, then there's a real desire, and I'll put it up. It hasn't been up that long. I mean, maybe 2019 is not even write like it. Maybe it was 22. I don't remember how it's not that long ago.

Geoff 1:27:09
That is young.

Scott Benner 1:27:12
And it grows 300 People like every six days. It's exponential. It's actually like their days. Oh, my God, this is insane. Like, I'll put up a post to welcome new people and like, hey, there's 285 new people in here like welcome. And but by the time though, the weekend passes, and I look up again, I'm like, I gotta make another one of those posts. Oh, my gosh. And then, and then I see that as a positive thing, because we're growing the hub. And then someone comes along goes, oh, all these people are being diagnosed. It's so sad. I'm like, don't get me out of this. happy about this. And the truth is, it's not that that many more people are being diagnosed, it's the pages that popular. It's attracting the truth is at 38,000 People were by the time your episode goes up, I mean, maybe 43 44,000 people by the time your episode goes up. It's not enough. It's not nearly enough. Like it's impressive. Compared to other Facebook groups. It's not impressive compared to the amount of people who have diabetes. Like you have no idea like, there's a small part of me that was like, oh, Finnish people can't understand my English. Like, I actually, like, there was 30 seconds where I was like, Can I translate it? Like, what am I missing here? You know, and what am I missing? Yeah. And the truth is, is that someone there is going to have to do it, you know? And then then how's that going to happen? Because it just doesn't work that way. Like, it's a special, unknowable mixture of things that end up working out. And I can no more take credit for them than I could tell you how to duplicate it. So it's, you know,

Geoff 1:28:58
and I mean, I find like everybody says, like, one of the phenomenal strengths of the podcast is the variation in the stories you hear all the time. I love the after dark episode while I do too. I mean, I love listening to them because it makes me think, wow, people that have this messed up lives or backgrounds or whatever, they can actually make this condition work. Like they can get it to work. They've been through really horrible things. Like there's there's stories on there that I was like, I was almost driving off the road like this is crazy, um, are these people going through, but they still make it work. They still move on? Yeah, I appreciate that insanely much like so much but also just I love listening to because of my own situation. I love listening to stories by parents about their kids. I find that's my kind of like, tip of the iceberg of feeling of community in your are huge ocean of podcasts or I'm

Scott Benner 1:30:02
glad I love it when an adult, here's a parent's story and thinks, I gotta call my mom, I didn't realize. But you know, like, I've gotten those notes so many times, like, oh, I called my mom and I thanked her for taking care of me when I had when I was younger. I didn't I just never occurred to me. And it didn't understand. Yeah, no reason it should. I mean, listen, it never stops. I tell people. If you were to sit down to ask me about like my beginning and all this, I tell you how I started the blog. And you know, I'd get a couple notes every month and said, Oh, your blog is really helpful to my family. And now I don't even know how to count them. Because they come in from so many different areas. I just woke up my mother, I got started thinking that you and I were done. And so I woke up my other computer. And my Facebook group is in front of me. And there's a post here that's nine minutes old picture of a little girl. Picture of her agency says my daughter eats anything she wants, whenever she wants. These are our results. What a great surprise. I want to thank blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, kids a once here 6.6 A little kid, you know. And the truth is, I could click on this and keep scrolling, and it would just keep happening. And then I could jump over into my messages. I'm helping an adult. No one bugged me. Okay, I'm just sharing this for the podcast. But I'm helping. I'm helping an adult that I don't know, over Instagram messages. And I have brought his care along exponentially the last six months. And just by he was just in a good headspace wanted to help himself I reached out said hey, what do I listen to? I pointed him towards some episodes. And then he said, if I have questions can I ask? And he's like, Sure. And he just kept asking questions. And I kept answering them as often as I could. And I mean, it's life changing. The guy's life has absolutely changed. And I mean, I just I'm scrolling here. It's like, Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you just goes on forever.

Geoff 1:32:04
So do you ever? Do you ever just go downstairs and have a blue cape in a closet somewhere that you can put on and around the house with and do a little dance? I mean, can someone get you a cape?

Scott Benner 1:32:18
I don't have time for that. So if I don't live in Sweden, I live in America where I make a bunch of money. Well, that's in a joking aside, like for all the podcasts does, if the podcast doesn't serve advertisers? Well, it'll disappear in five seconds. Absolutely. It'll be like you would have to come along, you would have to come along and say to me, Scott, how much is it gonna cost you to stay alive for the next 20 years and into retirement? I'll write you a check for that. Can you just make the podcast forever? And don't put ads on it? And I'd go, Yeah, sure. That's fine. Like, I'm not trying to get rich, I'm just trying to stay alive, you know. And so I could do that. But if the podcast doesn't make money, then my wife will look at me and immediately say, Listen, Strike one. Yeah. Either either get a job, either get a job or strike one. I believe she already assumes I'm strike one, just that we haven't actually swung the bat, you know. But but but still, by the way, all of your marriage is a strike while you're just hanging in there. So relax as you're judging Jeff.

But, but it's an extra pressure. Because I you know, as I was talking to that management group the other day, yeah, the guy said, you know, well, how many employees do you have? And I was like, what's like, what was it gets me? I'm like, their employee goes, you edit the show? And I go, Yeah, he goes, You don't farm that out? I was like, No. And he goes, I said, Man, I do. I set up the, you know, I set up the recordings. I do the IT work. Like, there was a moment last week where I had trouble with my internet, I walked down and my wife looked her in the face and like, don't talk to me today. And then I disappeared, I went back upstairs and fix my internet problem, because I had to have it fixed for the next day. And I'm the guy. And you know, like, and I don't care, like I love it. I think it works terrific. But there is a part of me, like, I'm not I'm not gonna lie to you. Like, I love the advertising group that I put together. And I'm proud of it. I think it's a good solid group of advertisers. But I mean, I'd like to not have to spend my evenings reading ads and, you know, editing things together that didn't have to be unedited, if I wasn't trying to insert an ad into it, and stuff like that, but it's just how it works. And I'm looking at

Geoff 1:34:39
the same at the same time you have like a feeling you have in Swedish, we call it a stinger top feeling you have a feeling for, for the dialogue for the discussion, and, and it's all in your head, like I know you leave these episodes for a while and then you've edited them and then you put it out but through your work in your solitary work in your office. And now we've all seen pictures in the Facebook group of you sitting in your office and what it all looks like. I mean, I'm not sure you can lift that out, give it to somebody else and get the same product. I really don't know, because everybody's brain works differently. And some people are going to prioritize other things. While this episode was a little bit too long, let's just cut it back. 12 minutes. Yeah,

Scott Benner 1:35:23
I don't care about that, like yours as long I don't care. There's some that are short, I don't care. Somebody's gonna like yours. I was approached by a person who said, I don't understand what you put up so much content. And I was like, yeah, like, like, here's, you know, here's a, here's a free bit of like information. everybody's not going to love everything you do. So if you only put something up once a week, you run the risk of running for a full month of something someone didn't enjoy. And if you go that long, they're gonna go find another podcast. So I tried to give people something like, even if I put four up this week, and you like two of them, that's terrific. If you like all four, God bless. That's terrific, though. If you'd like one, that's great. But imagine if I put up those four, and you didn't like any of them, but I spread them out over the next four weeks, you're gone.

Geoff 1:36:14
Be gone? I wouldn't last two weeks?

Scott Benner 1:36:16
Of course you wouldn't. And at the same time, I know, something you don't know as a listener, which is if I can keep you here long enough. Your agency is gonna go on the fives. I'm tricking you into taking better care of yourself, man.

Geoff 1:36:32
Like, yeah. And you know what? I'm expecting you to get my daughter's a one C and a five. Right? I have that expectation from listening to the podcast, like, I know, I can get there.

Scott Benner 1:36:45
Yes, it's the podcast. And it was nice of you to say, it's me. That's fine. But no, it's not at the same time. It's it's repetition. It's hearing different stories told different ways. And sometimes hearing the same story told a different way until one day your brain goes, Oh, I get it. And then then you'll get into that situation where you'll just like, people ask questions. I'm not always right. I'm not saying I am. But people ask questions. I'm like, Well, that's the answer. This is the answer to that. And there are times I don't even answer them online. I'm like, Well, let them get to it. It'll be good for the group that's in the post right now. And I'll check back on it later and make sure it's going in the right direction. And it's just, I don't know, there's, there's a way to teach people without, without letting them know they're being taught. You know, one

Geoff 1:37:30
of the things that I really liked about the podcast, I just want to share this is that, so I looked through the list. Okay, start with the beginning, do the protests, all that kind of stuff. But I was only six months into my daughter's journey, right? I've gone back and read listen to them. And I've gotten more out of the second listening than I did at first. Oh, sure. Yeah,

Scott Benner 1:37:52
that's the thing though. I listen, I listen to podcasts, too. And I listen to Radio, I'm a fan of radio, I have been my whole life. I mostly don't want music on when I'm solitary. I want to hear people talking. And there's a way that good radio is delivered. There's a feeling that it has. And as much as you like it, I don't care. One listen doesn't give you everything. I hear this from people, sometimes in the Facebook group where they're like, I don't learn this way. I tried listening, and nothing happened. And you really dig in, they listened to three episodes, and their agency didn't drop three points. And they're like, this doesn't work. I don't learn this way. Now, I don't discount that some people don't learn this way. I'm sure they don't I have trouble learning by reading. So I understand that. But if you just powered through it, and just kept listening, it would stick in your head in ways you wouldn't even expect. I've tried telling the story in the podcast. Jeff, you've maybe heard me tell you, my senior year of high school, I had to take a psychology elective. And it was right after lunch. And I was sleepy at that time of day. So I would go into my psychology class and I'd go to sleep every day. Like every day, I just didn't I never paid attention once to the point where on the last second to last day of the class, there was a final that was like a half year class. It was still halfway through the year, but it was the second to last day. We go in and I'm like oh the final thing the final go to sleep. And my very good friend of mine reaches over and he shakes me and I remember waking up and looking up and he said Don't you think you should at least take the final? And I was like yeah, he's right. So I like I literally sat there like braced myself. I was like, slap I was like dude, stay away do this. And by the way now, fun aside, turns out I think my iron has been low my whole life. So everybody should feel felt bad for me but never not the point. So I woke I woke myself up. And I took the final and the next day we come in. It's our last day of class. And there's this Solid man, a beaten man at the front of the room. He is questioning his existence. I can see it on his face. And we sit down, he says, Hey, I got the final screen. It's almost like you might hear your mother. And, and he goes, he just east mumbling. And he goes, anybody want to guess who got the highest grade? And everybody's like guessing people and everything. I put my hand up. And he's like, Yeah, I'm like me, right? It was me, wasn't it? And he goes, yep, it was you son of a bitch. He put it on my desk. I was so pissed. And, and, and sad. And he should have been by the way, his life is meaningless. That's what this moment is teaching me. He doesn't even need to

Geoff 1:40:39
be there, you know, all the all the effort was in vain. So

Scott Benner 1:40:43
all I'm saying is, I wasn't sound asleep. Some days, I just had my head down. And if you so if you listen to the Pro Tip series, a couple of times you're able to see is gonna go backwards. Because you don't, you'll remember things you don't realize you're remember. And I think that's just and

Geoff 1:41:01
every single time you hear a news story, it's told with a little bit of a different nuance. And eventually, the right nuance is going to hit your brain the right way. And it's going to stick Yeah, instead of instead of it being like Teflon, like it could be in all the other days. Right.

Scott Benner 1:41:17
Jeff, listen to this might feel like an exercise to some people in me explaining why I'm terrific. But it's not. I'm trying to explain to you why I think you should listen to the podcast. And why is it at the end of a long episode, that's also purposeful. If you're still here, you're invested, you might actually listen to me right now. Like, that's why you've never heard me at the beginning of an episode, say, Hey, if you're really enjoying this podcast, leave a five star rating and a review where you listen, because helps other people find the podcast. I say that at the end of the podcast, because I'm now talking to people who care, you know, and so I'm talking to people right now who I think care. Listen to the podcast, you'll get better at taking care of your diabetes, you might not even realize it's happening. And if you can't believe that, I go read the 1000s of reviews that are trying to turn me into one of those little Religious Candles, which is just a private joke between me and Isabel. She's like, they're gonna put you on a candle one day. I'm like, stop it. Do you have those? Via

Geoff 1:42:18
that candle? If you had a blue cape on you just make sure you've got a blue cape on your candle.

Scott Benner 1:42:22
I've always like never say this in front of anybody. It's ridiculous. And she's like, it's you know, but do you know what in the grocery store candles and the religious there's like always, like, just everybody's grocery store have kind of like an ethnic foods section. And in that food section, there's a few candles to burn it meals. And they have pictures of like popes and saints on them and things like that. It's just a thing that only happens here.

Geoff 1:42:43
Yeah, okay, because I don't know what your talk anyway. Anyway,

Scott Benner 1:42:47
she's like, they're going to put an end Isabel's French, and I can hear her French accent when she's typing to me, which is ridiculous. And, and I hear her saying like, they're going to put you on a candle. And I'm like, I'm not doing your accent well at all. But, but anyway, that's not the point is that for whatever reason, it doesn't matter. And some of the things that Jeff's pointed out some of the things I've said, I got a system and it works. So just put your earphones in and I don't know be held here. Yeah, like give it a shot. Like give it a real shot. You know, that Pro Tip series. The other day I thought about I thought about sending it out to have it like, like, corrected like audio corrected because it was older when I made it like I thought about putting it on its own podcast, taking it out of this podcast and putting it somewhere else and people can find it easier. Like it's it's golden. You listen to that you're a one sees not a low sixes then listen to it again. And it will be it will be yeah, that's all. I don't know. All right, Jeff, you're terrific. It's late where you are. I appreciate you doing very much.

Geoff 1:43:51
I just want to say that I've been looking at my daughter's graph for we're going into two hours here, right. Okay. She has been floating between 4.9 and 6.2 for the last two hours for you. Perfect.

Scott Benner 1:44:07
That's wonderful. Perfect.

Geoff 1:44:08
I'm gonna sleep well tonight. Good for you.

Scott Benner 1:44:10
I did that Jeff. I'm just kidding.

Geoff 1:44:15
Well, you did eventually

Scott Benner 1:44:17
get around with the under a little bit, but like, I actually get notes from people and they're like, look what you did. And I'm like you I didn't do that. I was like you did that. That's a lot of hard work understanding diabetes, putting into practice, you know, all that stuff. Like that's your don't give don't give that went away to me. You know, that's a that's a thing you did Jeff. You know, it's really, really something else so good for you. It's well done and in a short amount of time too. So congratulations. Thank you. Of course. Hold on for me one second. Okay. All right.

A huge thanks to Jeff. Omni pod and the car On tour next gen contour next. Contour next.com/juicebox Omni pod.com/juicebox Jeff doesn't have a link. Thank you so much for listening. I'll be Wait a minute. That was too quick. Don't forget to check out the private Facebook group sorry Juicebox Podcast type one diabetes. Tell people about the Pro Tip series. Share the show with people. Don't forget to subscribe and follow in your app. Please, please, please turn the automatic downloads on and what else? I hope you have a good holiday. Thank you so much for listening. I'll be back very soon with another episode of The Juicebox Podcast.

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