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#453 How We Eat: Low Carb

March 15, 2021Scott Benner

Type 1 Diabetes, Low Carb eating

Susan has type 1 diabetes and lives a Low Carb lifestyle.

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Scott Benner 0:00
Hello friends and welcome to Episode 453 of the Juicebox Podcast.

Hey, I've got a treat for you today. It's another in the how we eat episodes. So going back to Episode 373 was called how we eat vegan cat. Number 400 how we eat carnivore diet with Dr. Paul Saladino. Episode 405 was how we eat plant based Episode 439 how we eat gluten free and today how to eat low carb with Susan Susan as Type One Diabetes and a real passion for low carb eating. This episode is going to outline all of that for you, and much much more.

Please remember while you're listening that nothing you hear on the Juicebox Podcast should be considered advice medical or otherwise, always consult a physician before making any changes to your health care plan or becoming bold with insulin.

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Susan Keuter 3:39
My name is Susan Keuter, cuter than my sister.

Unknown Speaker 3:44
That's how people remember my name. Do you believe

Unknown Speaker 3:46
that? That's how she introduces herself as well?

Susan Keuter 3:48
Absolutely not. Not and she rolls her eyes and she'll hear this and she'll call me she'll say you have to stop saying that. And I live in Arizona, where it is currently 63 degrees to all you winter folks. And I I'm a rock star mom and me, me and wife and a substitute teacher and county advocate and a political badass and type one diabetic for 37 years.

Scott Benner 4:22
Wow. Okay, and we are going to talk extensively about how you eat. Yes, but before we do, I think it's possible that you and I need to make sure we understand our relationship. So here's how I here's how it would not come to a surprise you I would imagine to learn that I don't really know everybody who's on the Facebook page or listens to the podcast or anything like that. Right I do my best to pay attention. And I do start to like the you know, the people's little pictures like I start to recognize them or names or something like that.

Unknown Speaker 4:58
And then they change them right yeah, no, but You.

Scott Benner 5:00
So I know you backwards. And I'll tell you how, like, I first know you as a person who came into the Facebook group, the private one, and was just doing and is doing an amazing job of sharing how you eat with people. Okay, really. And so I'm like, I'm paint Oh, please, it's my pleasure. I'm thrilled you're doing it there. And you don't eat in. You know, you're not eating like a standard American diet, and you do a very good job of talking about it without making people feel badly about it and all this stuff. Oh, I've always been really thrilled with how you do it. And then one day, I'm looking at that little picture and I'm like, happy Damn, that looks like the lady I met in Arizona one. Right. So I am. So I like I kind of blow the picture up a little bit. And then I'm trying to remember so for people who don't go to things to speak, and I'm no like, you know, I do it a little, but I'm not. It's not like I'm out there doing it every day. Era, Arizona was a specific situation for me, because I needed to get back to be at my son's first ever college baseball game. Right. So I got I did some talking in a couple of different rooms that day. And after the last one, they told me like, you know, get down off the stage. You can stand here for a minute and collect yourself and then we're taking you to the airport. Yeah. And so I'm a little disheveled. Like, I'm not gonna lie to you. Like I'd only been in Arizona for probably 24 hours. At that point. I was already heading back to the airport to leave again. It was a long flight. And I get kind of pulled out of a room. And there you are.

Unknown Speaker 6:33
Okay, wait, but I didn't pull you out. No, no, someone

Scott Benner 6:35
else pulled me out. Okay, thank you clear Susan did not like me.

Susan Keuter 6:40
I was not trying to kidnap you or not at all.

Scott Benner 6:43
I believe Vicki was like leading me out.

Unknown Speaker 6:45
Vicki, our mutual friend,

Scott Benner 6:47
right. And Vicki has been on the show and done a terrific job on the show a couple of times. And so she's I'm just being whisked away. Like I'm just, I'm a rag doll. Like, take me wrong going get me to the airport. And we get out there. And I don't remember the conversation like word for word. And I was really beat up. I remember being told that you eat low carb, and that you might not like me. And that's really all I knew.

Susan Keuter 7:13
And and, and I would say that that is an accurate memory.

Scott Benner 7:18
Good. Good. So I like so we're clear. But now you know me differently. Do you like me now?

Susan Keuter 7:24
I'd like you better have That's excellent. Okay,

Scott Benner 7:27
great. This is gonna be fun. So you have, I would say you hold fairly closely guarded feelings about carbs and people with type one. Is that right? I do. Why don't you tell me about it?

Susan Keuter 7:44
Well, I've been diabetic since I was a freshman in college. I was diagnosed and now y'all know how old I am. Okay, so I was diagnosed, when my parents were living 1400 miles away from me. I was in a town where my college was go big red. And I sat on an exam table in a student health. And he said, You're type one diabetic. And I said, Okay, I have a math midterm in three hours, can you just like, give me a shot? Or give me the RX? And let me go? And he's like, Oh, no, no, no, no. So the next day, I had to come back and meet with like, an endocrinologist who I think was the visiting endocrinologist at student health. And he was old, white haired, and I'm sure had been practicing very successfully in my small town of for lots of years. But he looked at me and he said, there's a cure 10 years down the road. And I'm like, sweet, I can wait that long. And he said, but the cure is not going to be for everybody. He said, The cure is going to be for the healthiest, best controlled and most willing to do what it takes. And I'm like, I can do that too. I mean, I'm a Cornhusker. And I'm a freshman living alone. I can do this. Just tell me what to do. Yeah. And he said, eat lots of meat. You know, protein. And I don't even think he called the protein back then. But he said, stay away from cookies and cakes and pop, which is what we call it in Nebraska. And fruit, and grains. He said they're horrible for diabetics. And I'm like, okay, I can do that. I mean, I'll eat a pork chop and a hamburger. That's fine. I can do that. He said, No potatoes, no starches, and I'm like, Oh, wait, hang on. It's just changed.

Scott Benner 9:47
What about a big potato? What do you say? No,

Susan Keuter 9:50
no, what about a baked potato? And he said, you can have it he says because you're going to be taking insulin, he said, but it's going to be easier. If you avoid those foods.

Scott Benner 9:59
Okay? And this is

Susan Keuter 10:01
okay. And then he ended it with. And I say this today, because yesterday was the inauguration and he said, you can have cake. The day you get married, and you can have champagne. The day a woman is elected to the White House.

Scott Benner 10:19
He was trying to tell you not to drink I think,

Susan Keuter 10:21
well, maybe. But what college person drinks champagne?

Scott Benner 10:27
Yeah. And that was 37 years ago. Yes. Okay. Yes, I'm 11 for borrow one. Borrow another one. Hello. I'm doing some quick math here. 11 keeps on 678 910 oh my god dammit. Eight 910 819 84. Yes, yes. I use the pen for that. Just, I think.

Susan Keuter 10:51
Yeah, so, um, so that made sense to me. Now, I left that doctor's appointment. I mean, he also told me some horrible things. He said, You're really young. He said, and your parents live far away. He said, you probably should go home at the end of this year and just assume that you're going to stay there because college is going to be very hard. And no one's going to want to marry a diabetic. So you're not going to be married. He said you should go home, move back to Florida, and focus on taking care of your parents the rest of their lives.

Scott Benner 11:26
Wait, you said 1984 1954? Exactly. Wow.

Susan Keuter 11:31
So you was he was very old. He I mean, he was geriatric endocrinology. I understand. He was a little white haired man. And, and I was like, well, screw that man. I am the first person to take on a challenge. In any group, you ask everybody, I will raise my hand first. And I'm like, I'll prove him wrong. And he said, you're probably never gonna have kids, which is another reason no one's gonna ever want to marry you. And he said, work will be very difficult. So career choice, you're really looking at just more jobs than careers. And this is this is to an 18 year old who's sitting away from her parents in a tissue paper gown on an exam table.

Scott Benner 12:19
Yeah, horrified.

Susan Keuter 12:21
Well, and I left and I had to drive home to my dorm. And I'm like, Well, that was that was kind of a crappy way to end my day.

Unknown Speaker 12:32
Did you believe him?

Susan Keuter 12:34
For a moment I did. But then, my grandfather was type one diabetic, as was his mother. Um, so the first person I call after my parents is my grandmother who lived in Nebraska where I was going to college. My grandmother did. And I called her and I'm like, I'm, I'm type one, just like your husband wants. I never knew my grandfather. He died when my father was three. So I said, so I said, I'm type one, just like if she was distraught and hot. And I mean, all the emotions. But he, he did great things in his life. And this was a lot of years ago. He was born in 1919. And died in 1945, or 46. But he was an Olympic track athlete. He went to medical school, he was a successful ob gyn in his town. He was, you know, he, and she's like, if anybody can do it, Susan, you can.

Scott Benner 13:37
Now you're getting some better advice. At least that's excellent.

Susan Keuter 13:40
And so why my grandmother was terrified, and she felt guilty. And it was, you know, all the emotions, like I said, she gave she built on what the doctor said in the first half of our visit, which is, if you want that cure that's coming down in 10 years, because we know it's common. We just didn't know when to start the clock for the 10 years. He said, it's only going to be for the best of the best. It is He says, he talked about complications. And he's like, they are not going to waste a cure on somebody who's got complications, and I'm not editorializing here about complications and cures and all kinds of guys. That's what he told me as a teenager, right? Right. Now I understand. No, I so I raised my hand and I'm like, Listen here, dude, the line forms behind me. And I'm sitting here on the floor in my closet with my hand in the air, just so you know,

Scott Benner 14:32
in case we have to bring this up in court ever.

Susan Keuter 14:37
So, so I took that and now, two days later, I had to go to a diabetic class at a hospital in our town and I was the I was the youngest person by probably 30 years in the room and I was the most close to my normal healthy weight. And I was the only type one so That was my way of saying I was in a group of morbidly obese type two diabetics who already had gross complications, amassed.

Scott Benner 15:10
And that's where they stuck you for your learning.

Susan Keuter 15:11
And that's where they stuck me.

Scott Benner 15:12
Yeah. Because there was,

Susan Keuter 15:15
right. So they're talking about breakfast of oatmeal and orange juice and half a banana and an English muffin with margarine on it. And I'm like, Well, that doesn't sound anything like what he told me two days ago. And she says, Oh, no, you're type one. She says, I don't teach type ones. And I'm like, Oh, okay. So I kind of left, they're gone. I'm on my own. But I remembered what the doctor said. And I've remembered it for 30 some years. Now, have I always followed it? No. Because let's face it, I was a teenager in college,

Unknown Speaker 15:53
right?

Susan Keuter 15:56
But I did a lot of self experimenting. And you know, we as diabetics are a living science experiment every hour, or every day or every week. And I knew that if I just had a double hamburger and ask the lunch ladies in my in my dorm, to to leave the barn off and just give me extra pickles and extra cheese. I had a much better afternoon.

Scott Benner 16:24
And what was the insulin you use? back then? It was was it regular and empty? It was right.

Susan Keuter 16:28
It was it was regular and NPH. But I think I even started I was looking trying to look it up last night. I think it was Len Tae l e n t

Scott Benner 16:39
and no meter, right? Like no portable meter.

Susan Keuter 16:42
Oh, no. And actually, I left the doctor's office with the little cups and sticks in the tablets for your urine and everything. And then my mother flew up the next week to be with me. And that week, we got a phone call while she was there saying you can now buy a home meter. But it

Unknown Speaker 17:03
was something that you had

Susan Keuter 17:04
only tested my urine for a couple of days ago. Um, but I had a meter and it was $600. And I picked it up at the Walgreens on Oh Street. I'll never forget walking in there. Okay.

Scott Benner 17:15
So I have to tell you, yes, you were diagnosed. My best memory four or five years prior to my friend, Mike, who if you listen to the podcast, you know, passed away about a year or so ago. And as horrifying as I find what you went through, and I do based on the technology back then in the insulin back then I imagine that you are in the condition you're in today. Because that person said those things to you and I hate to prognosticate. But if somebody would have scared my friend Mike like that, I think he might be alive still.

Unknown Speaker 17:47
So yeah, right.

Susan Keuter 17:49
I would I would absolutely agree. And I and I mean, this doctor in my memory is very love hate. I mean, yeah, he talked about amputated feet and blindness, and no children and no husband and, and blackened fingers and all of that. But he also gave me the best advice

Scott Benner 18:10
that was available, then.

Unknown Speaker 18:12
That was available, then

Scott Benner 18:13
yeah, it's hard not to. If you're listening, it's hard. Maybe for you not to feel emotional about that, that the harshness of the advice, but you have to remember the timing of it. The timing of it is no no fast acting insulin, no meters that you can just check with constantly to see what your blood sugar is. this was this was somebody trying to tell you like, Look, we are going to approximate insulin in your body. And the fewer carbs you take in the easier this is going to go. Right. Gotcha. Yeah, I mean, and you are. I mean, we don't have to guess right? 37 you're probably in college. You're probably about 58 right in there. Did I do it that I hit it right on the head?

Unknown Speaker 18:52
Oh, no.

Scott Benner 18:55
Are you laughing because I picked the number that's much higher or much never mid

Unknown Speaker 18:57
50s? mid 50s. Okay, yeah.

Scott Benner 19:01
So you were in high school when you were five? I understand. I was. But no, but but my point is, you've lived a very long time. So So I guess I guess we can all understand that as a as a teenager you weren't perfect about it. But kind of skip ahead a little bit to where it became just a normal thing for you just this is how I

Susan Keuter 19:24
mean low carbon general

Scott Benner 19:25
carbon generally when would you say that you just settled into it and this was just your play?

Susan Keuter 19:30
Well, I I was very much settled into it. And I mean, we didn't call it low carb than it was back when do we were doing starches and exchanges and all that BS. We didn't call it low carb. I just knew that if I indulged on Italian night at the dining hall, I didn't sleep because I was hot and sweaty and had headache and my mouth hurt. I did better if I enjoy On ribeye night,

Scott Benner 20:02
I think it's great. I think it's great for people to hear that that was the thought process for you. It wasn't that, you know, I tested a bunch and I saw these numbers, I chased them around and all the things that people feel now when their blood sugar goes up, and they have this technology to see things, that it was just really if I eat Italian night, I'm gonna feel sick later and be sweaty and not feel good.

Susan Keuter 20:23
Right. Right. And, and I was a student in college, on top of living living by myself, which meant not you know, it had you got to get yourself up and you got to get yourself over to the dining hall and Damn it, you got to get to class. Yeah, right, whether you want to or not. And, and that's easier to do if you feel better. Right? That's easier to do if you sleep

Unknown Speaker 20:44
well, right.

Susan Keuter 20:46
And so that doesn't mean that I didn't go to the movie theaters and eat popcorn at the time. And that doesn't mean that I didn't have hotdogs at Memorial Stadium. But when I could, and when I told my doctors at the time that I was doing this, they're like, Why? Why are you doing this?

Scott Benner 21:06
Oh, man yelled at me when I was wearing a paper dress.

Susan Keuter 21:09
Exactly. But I but but it came down more to it. I'm kind of a wimp. And I'm lazy. And I don't like feeling bad. And I like it to be easier.

Scott Benner 21:23
And if this just did, listen, I have to be completely honest with you. I don't subscribe to a way of eating, you know. And I nobody in my family does either. And I don't have any trouble in the world with how people eat. This is why I've been doing these conversations. I think it's also why it's fairly unique that online on in Facebook, that you operate completely well inside of a Facebook group where people are there to learn how to use insulin, so they can eat carbs, like whatever whatever they want.

Susan Keuter 21:54
Well, I will tell you, Scott, that I'm when when I don't know when I hit 65, I'm probably going to publish a book from all the nasty messages.

Scott Benner 22:04
But But yeah, but I'm certain that people are, are initially shocked because you probably feel to them like that doctor felt to you. Although I have to be honest with you, I think I think you do a very good job of talking about I have seen other people talk about it. And if you were like them, I would have asked you not to do it. But and you're not I just I think you're a very, you're a mirror, you're like, Look, this is how I eat, here's the food, here's how I make it, these are my results. And that's to me is just a smart idea for everyone to understand. I'm not saying anybody should be I try to say this in every one of these episodes, I don't care if you don't eat chicken, or if you don't eat fish, or if you're a vegetarian, or you don't eat, none of that matters to me, I don't imagine that even if I knew the perfect way to eat, like, let's pretend for a second there was one. And it worked for everybody. I couldn't even imagine how to make everyone believe that. So it's always been my idea that however you eat, I'm just hopeful that you understand how insulin works. So you have a real chance at it.

Susan Keuter 23:07
And I think that's why I like you more than I did two years ago at that February type one summit. Because I've I've listened to more of your podcast and I've picked up on that. You You really do want the best for people using achieved through proper use of insight.

Scott Benner 23:25
Yeah, however much that means whether you use five units a day or whatever, and I

Susan Keuter 23:29
appreciate that. Thank you.

I do however, also subscribe to the fact that insulin is one of the most dangerous injectable liquids we have.

Scott Benner 23:40
Or you definitely hurt yourself with it. Yeah.

Susan Keuter 23:43
And that's what scares me. And I know we're not you know, we are supposed to hate it when people say oh, how much basil? Is your five year old using? or How much? Because you can't we need what we need. I get that and I say it all the time. Don't look at my bezels look at your basil and make sure yours are dialed in. Yeah, don't look at my Bolus. But it does it there are times that I'm taking a break at school and I refresh my Facebook page and I see somebody who's put up a picture of their PDM or they're t slim and they've got six and a half units on board and a temporary Basal right dialed in, and I get nauseous.

Scott Benner 24:22
But so I want to know why though. And if you don't know that's fine if it's just a guttural reaction. But is there something that happened or was like what put you into that mindset? Because I genuinely believe that somebody who is diagnosed today who finds the podcast comes on has the technology to see everything will probably never feel that way. But you do and I'd love to know why. Not because

Susan Keuter 24:50
it will but it just comes back to the food. Because if you don't eat if you don't eat the huge amount of carbs, right Some people are sharing that their kiddos eat when you don't need those huge doses, and that's where the danger comes in.

Scott Benner 25:09
Do you expect that that's how people eat every day?

Susan Keuter 25:14
I don't know. I mean, when? No, I mean, do they eat the the waffles in the cream cheese and the maple syrup and the orange juice? No, I don't. I mean, Lord, I was a mother for a lot of years. Well, mate, I'm still a mother, but they don't eat breakfast for my kids for lots of years. And I didn't cook like that every single day before school. Right? But you know, like the cereal. I mean, seriously, there is very little redeeming nutritional value in any bowl of cereal.

Scott Benner 25:43
Yeah, it's terrible for you. It's 100% terrible for you, right? And

Susan Keuter 25:47
people work so hard to try and figure out how to keep their kids so that they can eat it.

Scott Benner 25:55
So that's not how I see what they're doing. And let me see if I can give you my perspective. Okay, I think that in a 16 week football season, they're trying to go 14 and two, right? That's what they're shooting for. And when they beat the Texans, or some other team, that's an easy win. They don't get in line and tell anybody about it. But when they take down Tom Brady, then they throw up a picture on social media. They're like, yeah, look, what we did. We beat Brady, I beat Aaron Rodgers this week, I think they show the real big wins. And I think that the skills that they get beating Brady, are then put into play in the weeks when they play the Texans. So if you can crush a waffle, and not cause any kind of a spike, imagine how well they're doing on the days when they're having, you know, a BLT, I have a BLT and a little bit of a salad or, you know, avocado toast or something like that these things, then are no trouble for them at all. They just show up, put their pads on and run these things over with no trouble. So I mean, I don't bother sharing when I you know, keep a line flat, that's 20 carbs in a meal. Because that's just, that's just easy at this point. Right? You know what I mean? Like, that's how I see now. And I want to expound and say,

Susan Keuter 27:17
Well, wait, wait, I want to interrupt you. I'm sorry. Don't be sorry.

So you said a meal with 20 grams of carbs. And you kept a straight line, or a level. And I hate that I hate it when we talk about flat lines. Because seriously, that's death to me. But so what if you ate that way all the time? And And what if I could share with you my amazing waffle recipe that fits into that category?

Scott Benner 27:46
No, I think that for anybody who wants to do that, that's terrific. What I'm saying is I go back to I don't know that I could impact everyone in the world to do that. And it's my expectation that more often than not, even though it's completely unredeemed calories, and I agree with you, a box cereal is what some people are going to eat. And if someone if someone doesn't teach them how to use insulin for that cereal, they're still going to eat the cereal. And then they're going to struggle with their health. in in in multipliers of ways. My idea is, I can't teach everybody how to eat. I can't, but I can share what I found that works for managing those things. If those are things are what you choose to eat, I think the problem becomes is that from, from our perspective, similar to yours, and I don't think you but from my perspective, similar viewers, it's easy to see like, oh, that guy, he's pushing eating poorly. Or he he wants you to use a ton of insulin. I don't, I don't none of that matters to me. I don't care what you eat. I'm just saying I'm just saying everyone's gonna eat a different way. They at least deserve to understand how the insulin works.

Susan Keuter 28:55
And and I would say that the education you do, teaching about basil testing is vital when the capital V for diabetic success and diabetic control, even though I don't like that phrase either control. It's vital. So you teach about that. And you teach about Pre-Bolus seen and you teach about extended Bolus and I think and it is important because Lord knows that the medical culture, endocrinology, diabetic dieticians, diabetologists, whatever the heck that is. They are lacking grossly.

Scott Benner 29:43
I believe that the general the general teaching is begins with an idea of these people don't have a working pancreas, their blood sugars are just going to spike. And then then it becomes the idea of like, Well, you know, we just don't want to go to Hi are we don't want to stay high too long. To me, it seems like showing up at the game and saying, oh, we're definitely going to lose. And I don't think that you have to have type one diabetes, eat carbs, and have poor health outcomes. Lately, you know what I mean. And it's not to say that I don't disagree with anything that you're saying, I think it's completely obvious that if you eat fewer carbs, managing Type One Diabetes is incredibly easier. Like it just it just is there's there's there can be no way around that I've never tried to make the point that it wasn't. Right. But But and to hold two things up at the same time that are now two years apart from each other. If I come in there and try to have this more thoughtful conversation, when I'm going to show up and speak at a jdrf event, for example, there are 500 people there who I'm not going to get the message to that. There is a way to put insulin in the way of carbs and create less spikes and fewer lows. Yes. So if you don't want

Susan Keuter 30:58
to turn off a lot of people, especially the mamas who are sitting there,

Scott Benner 31:02
yeah, because they don't want their kids lives to change. And and that's even reasonable. So so it's a weird thing, because I have to come in like a ninja, say enough, that makes you believe that there's a way to use insulin correctly. And enough to make you believe that there's information out there, whether it's my information or someone else's that you can go find that might lead you down this path. And I have to get out and be reasonable. And if I start with, don't get me wrong, if you eat absolutely no carbs, this will be easier. Not only will it maybe turn some people off, but maybe it'll just give them the idea that well then that's not possible. And while I think you live very happily eating the way you eat, there are some people eat that way and are tortured by it. And so I just want people to have options, that's all.

Susan Keuter 31:45
No, and options are good. And and do I occasionally make a decision that goes against my normal day to day life? Absolutely.

Scott Benner 31:57
What's absolutely that's this isn't

Susan Keuter 32:00
one of very few and far between. But what is it? Like? What

Scott Benner 32:03
is the thing that just makes you all screw it? I mean,

Susan Keuter 32:06
most recently, it was a margarita out at a restaurant.

Unknown Speaker 32:10
Yeah, that sounds right.

Susan Keuter 32:13
And it was just it was like, you know what I said? I said, I'm not supposed to say, I'm not supposed to drop an F bomb. My husband said that before I walked into the closet, don't drop an F bomb. I can said to heck with it. I said I'm having a margarita. Right. And I was probably halfway through. And dex was going off. And I'm like, this is not going to end well. And he's like we're leaving. Because cuz I know how this goes. He says then you just beat yourself up the whole night. And our whole evening out is ruined. And and he says so let's just go just put the Margarita down and let's go home.

Scott Benner 32:46
But if I was with you while you were having dinner, I think I could have Bolus for the Margarita.

Susan Keuter 32:51
And and, and I did I mean, I tried to Yeah. The problem is, is that and I don't see it as a problem. It the problem with people that say and I talked to them all the time. Well, we eat really low carb on the weekend. But then once we get back to school, he he you know Katie bar the door. And that's hard.

Unknown Speaker 33:15
Much harder, well, around,

Scott Benner 33:18
you're so so much different. So what because because your settings are so much different. If you're eating low carb for a number of days, you're Basal you lower your ratios for meals or lower, then all of a sudden you shift back you don't see it coming, you're not ready with the settings then everything jumps up on you.

Susan Keuter 33:32
Right. And so even though I ordered what my restaurant where we were in what's called the skinny carb, I mean a skinny Margarita. I you know, I looked it up online and I bolused and I waited until it came and blah, blah, blah. It I still was just off the charts.

Scott Benner 33:48
Yeah. My chart. Can you Yeah, I was gonna say can you give perspective for that? How many carbs were in it? And where did your blood sugar get through? That was a lie.

Susan Keuter 33:55
I Bolus for 32 carbs. And I my alarm start going off at 120 I mean, I was watching it. So I knew it was going up but but I was I was diagonal arrow up at 120. And I think I topped out at 160 I had a temporary Bolus I was I was walking I you know doing everything I could to get it down and I got it turned around real quickly. Yeah. Um, but but I don't feel good. It's and that's the other thing is I I'm very sensitive because I'm so keyed into my range.

Unknown Speaker 34:32
Sure. I'm,

Susan Keuter 34:35
literally if I wake up in the middle of the night, and I feel hot. I know it's because my blood sugar's over 110

Scott Benner 34:42
No, no, I believe that I have to be honest. I mean, for me, 145 is the top of where I would want Arden to be after a meal. And I'm not one of those people who tries to keep an incredibly flatline I just think that you know I want to CGM. I've seen the natural kind of Rise and Fall of my own blood sugar and I Over 145 is where I start thinking like I messed this up somehow. And Right, right, and I tried to bring it back in what I'm saying is using the Margarita as an example, your basal rates are set up for a person who eats low carb, and then you tried to just Bolus for something that was liquid sugar.

Susan Keuter 35:18
Absolutely. No it was on like I said, I'm it was a it was a bad day.

Scott Benner 35:22
But but had you an hour before that jacked your Basal up a little bit and been like, okay, Mama gonna live like this now for a little while, then I think your Bolus works better and you don't get into the 160s is my point.

Susan Keuter 35:32
Yes. And probably but I mean, it was this was the spur of the moment decision, of course, of course. And so and i basil test about every other month, where I fast from dinner on Monday to breakfast on Wednesday. Okay, and so I turn off basil IQ, and I let it ride. Just so I show my basil for how I eat and how I live and my activity level and my job and all of that I my bezels are set perfectly for me.

Scott Benner 36:03
Can I ask a question? Is there anything about the podcast that's valuable to you in a low carb life? Like, have you are you employing anything in your life that you've gotten from me or this podcast?

Susan Keuter 36:14
I love listening to people's stories. I don't I use the T sun. And I only use basil IQ. I don't use the control IQ. I'm only two and a half years into my Dexcom. So I mean, I don't I don't need tips on my pumps, or Dexcom or anything like that. I love the connection to people because I love hearing stories because we all have different stories me to

Scott Benner 36:46
know I'm glad I really am. And and I hope that I'm sure I haven't so far, but because we're halfway through, I'm just gonna say it out loud. I hope you I hope you just remain happy. I hope everybody's happy. Like I'm not over here thinking like, Oh, I'd like to dangle a pizza under this person. So like, I don't think that way. I'm just

Susan Keuter 37:03
and the thing is, is you could like seriously if that I I'm not one of those people that because this is how I eat. I can't have Doritos in the house. Right? And I can't order I mean, my husband when we order pizza we order from a place that has a keto crust, and I order that one and he orders the double pepperoni, New York style. And that's how it goes. Yeah.

Scott Benner 37:25
Oh, it

Susan Keuter 37:26
doesn't bother. I mean, I I make sugar cookies every Christmas for dozens and dozens of people. And I don't have one. I can do that. I realize that not everybody can.

Scott Benner 37:38
Yeah, no. I mean, I get 100%. Right. People's level of resolve around food. Yeah, yeah. And how much of it? Do you I would characterize this as probably being true, but you have so I would imagine little sugar in your system, that you're not getting hit with that, that kind of more and more drug related like the like they What do they say like, more addictive than some drugs? Right. And so, and I I've had that happen as well. And by the way, I'm a proponent of every once in a while just going I'm not going to eat for a day or so. And just you know, just stopping for a while. You know, I made handmade pizza this week. Yeah. And I knew like and they're just little like you know 230 gram balls of dough and it's it's cold fermented and made out of, you know, better flour digests very easily. I watched it not really impact anybody's blood sugar too terribly at all was terrific. But at the same time, I think Bob and I make pizza eat pizza, have some leftover pizza and then probably on the third day Scott's probably not going to eat on the third day, you know, like, or I'll be five pounds heavier when I wake up the following week, so I just I

Susan Keuter 38:50
do I'm a big proponent of of fasting. Intermittent fasting overnight fasting basil testing fasting. I know you can't do it with kiddos. I totally understand that. But there's there's I personally believe that being in a fasted state is it has some definite benefits. Yeah. Energy burst. I can. I'm like the Energizer, Energizer Bunny, because you're running on on ketones. And that's a good thing.

Scott Benner 39:19
Right now I take you know, as a person who doesn't have diabetes, I take very seriously the idea that a number of generations back and not that long ago, people didn't get to eat every few hours. Every day. Yeah, exactly. They stayed alive just fine. So yeah, I believe in that as well. Can I ask about um, before I really dig into how you like what you cook and how you doing everything, which I'm going to add in a second. hormones, periods when you're low carb. Is that still difficult?

Susan Keuter 39:50
I will tell you that. I was diagnosed freshman year in college. I have been menstruating since high school. I have never noticed a change to my insulin needs. My blood sugar's because of my hormones.

Scott Benner 40:11
Okay, but you've only you've only had a

Susan Keuter 40:14
I only have worn a CGM for two and a half years right now I wasn't a 12 to 15 finger pokes a day for years and years and years. But I really never noticed that.

Scott Benner 40:29
How were your a onesies during that time? Would you mind share? Back in the day kids, they call that a cliffhanger. But unlike when I was a child, and you had to wait all summer, to see who shot Jr. I'm going to get back to Susan in just a couple of moments. All right, like this is simple. You go to my Omni pod.com forward slash juice box, you have a couple of options when you get there. One is super simple, you get yourself a free, no obligation demo pod sent to the house. This is an insulin pump from Omni pod that is not functioning but you get to wear it, you get to sleep in it, and shower with it and do whatever else you're going to do with it. To see what it would be like to wear an omni pod. From there you can make a decision about trying more is one option you have there at my omnipod.com forward slash juicebox. Another would be to find out if you're eligible for a free 30 day trial of the Omni pod dash. What I know what you're saying? I could use it for 30 days for free with insulin it you might be able to you could be eligible, go find out my omnipod.com forward slash juice box. Now why would you do this tubeless. There's no tubing within the pod think of an insulin pump in your head. You think of this controller that's attached to a bunch of tubing that gets stuck to an infusion set. And then you've got to connect the controller to like your belt. I mean, if even wear a belt I saw I've seen some ladies have to clip it on their bras. They're hiding everywhere. But if you get a shower with a tube, it's on top. I mean people take showers every day, right? Well, you have to disconnect your tube insulin pump from your insulin, but not with the Omni pod that on the pod gets right in the shower with you. Like a little shower buddy. The matter of fact I don't know why they don't call it shower, buddy. I mean, I guess cuz Some people think beds, or so that's probably bad marketing on the pods better. Anyway, my on the pod.com forward slash juice box, check out the possibilities. See if you want that free, no obligation demo sent to your house, maybe you're gonna get that 30 day free trial period of the Omni pod dash. The possibilities are limitless. Go find out my Omni pod.com forward slash a juice box. Now you're gonna want to dexcom continuous glucose monitor to you just do I know you're sitting there thinking like I don't want to be a robot. I don't want my Alright, I here. But try it dexcom.com forward slash juice box. Why do I say this? Not because I want stuff hanging off you. But because the data that comes back from the Dexcom g six continuous glucose monitor is unparalleled. Because the safety that the alarms affords you is amazing. And because you can share your data or your child's data with up to 10 followers, if you want to imagine that a spouse, a school nurse, a well meaning person at the Public Library, whoever you want to give your data to you can they can maybe I don't know I've heard people on the show say oh my father has it in case I get too low. It gives me a call if I don't answer, blah, blah, blah. Like there's a million different ways. But this data is crazy exciting. Because you get to see how your blood sugars react to insulin to carbs to stress to life, and then make adjustments that benefit you dexcom.com forward slash juicebox go get go get it just are you arguing with yourself right now? You're in your head like I think I'm right. I think the guy on the podcast has talked me into it, but I don't just try. It's amazing. It is life changing. Get your Dexcom get your on the pod and then get back to Susan. No, wait. You don't have to pause it. Just do it after the show. I guess. There's links in the show notes. There's links at Juicebox Podcast comm when you click on my links, you're supporting the show you're helping to keep it free. I appreciate it. If you do just that.

Susan Keuter 44:37
My first agency that I knowingly took was in 1990 when I got married and moved to Arizona and went to the Mayo Clinic for the first time in my agency was 6.2. Well, that's very, very first time and they ran it again because the endocrinologist who was the head of indicado ology at the time said, Oh, that That can't be right. And then two appointments later I asked him if I could ever get pregnant. I said, because I've always been told I couldn't get pregnant. He's like, Oh, you can definitely get pregnant. And he said, but I'm going to want your agency lower. And I said, Okay, what number and he said, 5.5.

Unknown Speaker 45:23
And I'm like, Okay,

Scott Benner 45:24
well, so what did you do there? You use more insulin, or you ate fewer carbs?

Susan Keuter 45:30
I probably Yeah. Just, I mean, I that was the same year I started using human log.

Scott Benner 45:36
I was gonna say, when does the when does the fast tracking insulin common?

Susan Keuter 45:39
Yeah. So 1990 brand new doctor, big old fancy Mayo Clinic, new husband, new puppy, new state. And I'm like, hey, let's try a new insulin. And so that was probably my biggest experience into kind of unbridled carbohydrate intake. Because what did they preach? All the insulin work so fast, you can eat anything. It's going to take it, it's going to, you know, whip it into submission. And I'm like, okay, but wait, you also want my agency lower. Right? You just gave me this faster acting insulin.

Scott Benner 46:22
So it was kind of confusing, and a perspective issue too, because every medical person you talk to every one of their experiences has been with regular and mph, and they were like, this stuff is magical. This is jet fuel compared to that, not compared to how quickly carbs hit you.

Susan Keuter 46:36
Right. Right. So, um, so I, I, that was probably 19/91 couple years of marriage was probably my biggest excursion into standard American diet. Okay. And I'm sure my I'm sure my agency got above seven.

Unknown Speaker 47:00
You I'm sure it did.

Scott Benner 47:01
We were thinking the National Guideline back then. I don't even know what it was. But if it was in the eights, I wouldn't be surprised. Yeah, right. Um, it's only seven now. Right? or seven? What? I think the ADA just moved it again. I was surprised at how high

Susan Keuter 47:14
yesterday to under seven for children. And that's the first time they've done that. Yeah, yeah.

Scott Benner 47:20
And I stood up and clapped. Yeah, that's great. People don't realize it's funny when I, when I'm telling people about the T one D exchange, I'm like, you know, they got you know, guidelines lowered for bah, bah, bah, I know people here that don't think that's a big deal. But it is a big deal. Because those guidelines are what the doctors take to learn how to think. As crazy as that sounds like they're like, Oh, I'm supposed to be telling them this now. And then they do. I wish everyone

Susan Keuter 47:45
and my and my doctor rolls my eyes. And I know that she has she's type one herself. And she has to cover her own ass in her medical notes, and my chart. And so sometimes the message I get from her face to face is different than the message that's in an email or written down in my chart. And I get that. It bothers me that an organization that takes money from a lot of insulin makers is setting the standard setting the guidelines, setting the rules, so to speak.

Scott Benner 48:22
You know what, though? You would think if they wanted you to use more insulin, they tell you to keep hearing.

Unknown Speaker 48:26
Like, well, but they they've so weird, conglomeration,

Scott Benner 48:31
I'm not I'm not disagreeing with you. Yeah. I, I have definitely been in situations where the words coming out of someone's mouth. weren't the words being written down on the piece of paper at the

Susan Keuter 48:41
same? Oh, yes. Oh, yes. And I and yeah, that was the one drawback to tell them it is. I'm like if these are being recorded, she's obviously saying she's pointing her finger at me and chastising me. And I'm going What happened?

Scott Benner 48:56
Susan, this is far too low. And she's writing looking up at you and mouthing,

Susan Keuter 49:01
exactly. Anything. And of course, to all of my friends. I say she's just jealous.

Scott Benner 49:08
So, um, let me let me you have always come off to me as a reasonable person. And very reasonable.

Susan Keuter 49:15
Don't ask my children. But yes,

Scott Benner 49:16
I want to be sure to them. You're a lunatic. But that's not what I'm saying. If I could magic wand, and make you in college today, and you were sitting at a table, not with a guy who told you, hey, you're only a baby machine and your baby machines busted. So you're no good. If that wasn't your world, if you came in today, and you met a doctor, and that doctor said to you, Hey, I'm gonna put a glucose monitor on him and give some insulin it works pretty quickly. What I need you to do is use your insulin in a way where you know the actually the insulin impacts the carbs as they're trying to impact your blood sugar. If you do that, I think you can keep your agency in the fives, neat, whatever you want. You think you'd be a different person 37 years from now.

Susan Keuter 50:01
Um, I, the problem is, is that it's not that cut and dry. Okay? Why? Because we know that it's not just carbs and insulin. We know that it's not. If I can just look at a label of chips ahoy and see that two cookies is 28 grams and inject three and a half units and be fine. It would it would work. But it depends, or breakfast did I have? What's my stress level today? What's the weather outside? How did I sleep last night? How much insulin do I already have on board? How much longer? Is it going to be till I eat next time? Do I have a headache? Is my husband irritating me? Do I have to go to work tonight?

There's so many variables. Right, right.

And so it is not just a one plus two equals 300%. It's all those subscripts and superscripts. And powers and integers that I don't understand. Let me ask is that that goes into the equation?

Scott Benner 51:06
Of course no, 1,000,000%? It does? Have you listened through the pro tip series all of them?

Susan Keuter 51:12
At least not all of them? No.

Scott Benner 51:14
Because I would say that to the best of my ability. I have covered all of that. And I realized that everyone's brains not going to work the way mine does. And me just saying to people you have to stay flexible, might end up meaning something different to them. That does to me. But But Susan, if I could show you the correspondence that comes to me privately, I think you would agree that a majority of the people who want to understand how to do it and try to find a way to stay fluid through all those variables, those people do end up figuring it out.

Susan Keuter 51:51
And that makes me so

Unknown Speaker 51:53
happy too.

Susan Keuter 51:54
It truly does. Because ultimately, I don't care how your daughter eats. I don't care how all those people that comment on my fat head dough cinnamon rolls, pictures, I don't care

Unknown Speaker 52:07
how they look really good.

Susan Keuter 52:08
But if they are, but if they want to try something, and if they subscribe, and I say this a lot and I say it half jokingly and my daughter rolls her eyes loudly at me when I say I'm grumpy. I'm old, and I'm lazy.

Scott Benner 52:23
Well listen, I understand you that this podcast exists because of my laziness. And the thing that you just said, because I can't just look at two cookies and say it says 28 put in 28 that's definitely going to work. I just stopped counting carbs altogether. I just started thinking to myself, two of these cookies is going to impact you know, three units. And I stopped thinking about the carbs. And I started thinking about impacts and learning, you know, from repetition and practice and stuff like that. I honestly believe that's the only sane way to get through a life where you have type one and you're giving insulin for carbohydrates. Because if you try to stick to the math of it, it's gonna occurs. Tell your husband I did it's gonna be every time. Yeah,

Susan Keuter 53:07
yeah. Thank you. Thank you. Okay, see, now you open the floodgates there, it's on.

Scott Benner 53:10
I'll just, I'll just edit it out. That's fine. Although I let me say sidebar. I got a note yesterday from a woman who was very concerned that I joked about cursing with a young kid that I was interviewing and I had to, I had to email her back and say, I just need you to know that the boy, I talked to him afterwards, and I made sure you understood. Plus, his parents are very happy with how it went so or, but she was reaching out the defendant. And so I thought that was really lovely.

Susan Keuter 53:36
Um, it was lovely. And very few things are underrated more than a well placed f bomb. I've always told my children that. But no, it's if carb counting was an exact science. It would be great. Yeah. My son in law has a disease called PKU. Okay.

Unknown Speaker 54:03
I don't know if you know what that means.

Scott Benner 54:04
I will was I'm googling and you're talking.

Susan Keuter 54:06
But it means it's it's what our newborn babies their heel prick with the little round bandaid on their heel in the delivery room is so with that blood tests tests. And he cannot eat naturally occurring protein of any kind.

Unknown Speaker 54:20
Okay. Well, I

Susan Keuter 54:21
mean, I mean, he's allowed to limit a hard limit, like, you know, 10 grams of protein a day or as he aged, it got different or you know, whatever.

Unknown Speaker 54:33
And

Susan Keuter 54:35
the repercussions of that disease can be immense.

Scott Benner 54:41
I'm seeing that. Oh, yeah.

Susan Keuter 54:42
And, and so when when I'm with my kids in Nebraska, my daughter and son in law in David and I make a great pair because he eats all the carbs and I had all the protein and we're just great. Like, jack sprat could eat no fat His wife could eat no lean. But um, he has a new drug that is just been approved. And now all of a sudden, he's being allowed to eat protein naturally occurring. I mean chicken and beef, and now is his formula. And there are times that I look at and, and he grew up in a household. He had siblings, and parents and grandparents and cousins and friends. And they all ate chicken and steak and hotdogs and cheese and butter and eggs. He couldn't. He survived. He's just fine. He's a very well adjusted healthy, adult male, right? And the reason the reason I like bringing that up is because people are so quick, so quick to say, I can eat anything I want. Of course you can. Of course you can. If your mouth opens, you can eat anything, you damn well, please.

Scott Benner 56:03
And that feeling of like, I want to be normal. I want my kid to have a normal experience. Right?

Susan Keuter 56:07
But But who's defining normal and see, that's where I get it. I just, oh, it's a good thing that Facebook does not have like live feeds, because I read these things. And it's like, kid first diabetes second. Well, but here's the problem. Diabetes does come first.

Scott Benner 56:29
It's tough thing to ignore. That's for certain, but I would say that the person that's defining normal, is them. And then I would say that going from there using social media, I think. So I've, you know, I've been at this quite some time. And I can tell you that one thing that I know for certain is that, like a snake shedding its skin, the people on social media around type one diabetes, or a lot of things are there not long lived in the space, and you mostly catch newer diagnosed people are struggling people, right, that those end up being the people. So I need help, right? want help? I don't know what's going on. And so the messaging or the questions that you hear from them are very repetitive, and they're very specific to that time of diagnosis. So I've tried to imagine what happens to them when they leave. So imagine you show up online and you're like, Listen, you don't know anything about nutrition and you're eating a bowl Lucky Charms every morning for your whole life, right? It's just how it's always been. My blood sugar is going to 400 staying there for six hours, blah, blah, blah. Imagine if they were were met them by a person who said if you stop eating Lucky Charms, it'll be okay. Well, they're like, I don't know what else to eat. This is what I eat. I To me, it's akin to, you know, when Katrina came, and they gave people a heads up and they said, Look, get out of here, you're gonna die in a flood. And some people didn't leave, they did not leave because they didn't want to die in a flood, they didn't leave because they're, they've been living in a place where generationally, they didn't have an opportunity to own a car, maybe or something like that. They just couldn't leave or couldn't imagine leaving or whatever. So if you just give people the stop eating cereal, that I imagine won't work for most people. And those people will disappear, they won't get good information, and they'll eat the cereal the rest of their lives and have a one season attends, and no developed eating disorders and complications. And they'll be a written off statistic. Whereas I've come to look at the space as a place where you get you get an opportunity, in a very short time to put people into a different path. And then what they do with it after that I don't feel responsible towards nor do I think

Susan Keuter 58:49
I would agree with that. Yeah. And so that's why I say thank you for not kicking me off the Facebook group.

Scott Benner 58:55
No, that's why I like you there. See, I'm confused by people. Listen, I'm confused why people feel like they need to argue I don't understand tribalism. I'm not good at I'm on this team. And you're on that team. I don't understand why people even think that way. I don't care why they do. What I when I see you what I see is a person who eats low carb has had diabetes for a very long time has been very successful with it, and is willing to share it with other people. And if if, and that to me is terrific. And yeah,

Susan Keuter 59:28
that's, that's really that's my motivation. It's an Oh, I get the Oh, I mean, I don't even talk about ranges and an A onesies anymore because you're bragging you're just bragging you're just showing off. That's impossible. That's that's not natural. That's not normal, like okay, well, it is normal and it is natural, and

Scott Benner 59:48
I think it's easier. Um, you've been talking to people who are newly diagnosed and have bumped into other people who are newly diagnosed who are saying reactionary things because of the emotion No state that they're in in the moment. And I think it's happened to you so many times, that it just feels like that's how it is. what I'm telling you is imagine those people, nine months from now, when they've learned to Bolus for Lucky Charms, and heard the message that maybe Lucky Charms isn't good for them. Yes, you don't I mean, and I don't I'm not trust me, I'm not on you in any way. I think what you do is really great. And you're on hearing, I tried to make the point the other day, a person thought I didn't respect their opinion. I was like, why you wouldn't be on the podcast? If I didn't? What do you think I just have to have people on here? I was like, I've got I've got choices. You know, it's, I think that what you're doing inside of my facebook group is one of the most aspirational things I've seen happen online around diabetes in a really long time. We literally have the Hatfields and McCoys sleeping in the same bed. And not only are they having sex, but they're happy. And yeah, yeah. And I think that's amazing. I wish there'd be a pescatarian that would come in and start talking about how they I don't even know what that means. Is that a religion? Or somebody that doesn't?

Unknown Speaker 1:01:03
I don't know. I think it's a it's a faith. Yeah, I think

Scott Benner 1:01:10
it's hilarious. I just think that that's an uncommon thing. And I also believe that that Facebook group is working like that, because people are coming through the podcast, with a level of understanding already. So they're not. They they're all kind of similarly focused. And so they get along a little bit. I mean, try to imagine I don't, I want to be genuine. And I tell you that I don't poke around other people's Facebook pages. I don't listen to other people's podcasts. I don't know what other people are doing. But I can imagine that if there was a very popular, low carb Facebook page, and I just showed up one day and said, if you don't mind, I'm going to very politely talk about how you can use insulin and eat higher carb foods here, that I would be immediately ushered out the door.

Susan Keuter 1:02:01
Well, it would depend fate, Facebook page, or Facebook group, or things if you came to my Facebook page and said that I would be like, Yeah, well, it's not always a good decision to have boatloads of insulin on board. If you were in a group where there could be a conversation, like we do in your juice box group, right? I'd let you talk. I'd let you talk in mind. But I don't have a group I have a page. I just don't think most people what

Scott Benner 1:02:25
I think and take it away from food or diabetes for a second. I think if I showed up on a on a Mopar place where they were talking about dodge motors, and I just you're constantly talking about how great I thought Ford motors were, I think they'd be like, that's not the place for this get out. I did it that way,

Susan Keuter 1:02:42
you can also understand, I've been doing this a lot of years. A lot of years. I mean, I even though I was a teenager, like I seriously don't have, I have a hard time remembering what it was like to not be checking blood sugar or thinking about what was coming food wise, or activity wise, even though I was a teenager, but I have been doing it for a long time. And I'm good at it. And I'm not ashamed to say that I'm good at it. I have zero complications. I have normal aylan C's I have normal eyesight. I've you know all my fingers and toes. I'm pretty dang healthy. I crushed cancer two years ago, my endo said I'm going to make all of my breast cancer diabetic patients eat low carb, because you did amazingly well.

Scott Benner 1:03:33
That's cool.

Susan Keuter 1:03:35
I did all that. I do it well. But ultimately, ultimately, what I want is everybody, especially our youngest members of this damn exclusive club, to have normal blood sugars. That's what I want. So if people have figured out a way, using your tips, using your advice, adjusting, testing, all that kind of stuff, ultimately, that's what I want. period because that means health, right? That means health. And when that cure comes in 10 years, and the people that made the cure are standing around the corner, handed it out, and they're gonna want the healthiest and the most adaptable to a new routine, etc, etc. The line frickin stand starts behind me. But I do believe with every fiber of my six foot tall height, that

Unknown Speaker 1:04:43
eating lower carb

Susan Keuter 1:04:46
is just easier. I can say better. I believe it's easier. And that's why I do it.

Scott Benner 1:04:53
Now I don't see how it wouldn't be you're eating fewer carbs. You're using less insulin. When you use less insulin. You have fewer lows and more stability. small

Susan Keuter 1:05:00
numbers. Yeah, I mean, there's bigger room for mistake. I mean,

Scott Benner 1:05:08
yeah, you know, you and I are saying the exact same thing. And we have slightly different words in one of our sentences, you're saying, This is easier if you eat fewer carbs, I'm saying, This is easier if you figure out how to balance the impact of the insulin with the action of the food, or the actually, the insulin with the impact of the food is really all on. It's the same thing. And, and taking diabetes out of it for a second. Listen, you'll be leaner. And if leaner is healthier, you will be leaner if you eat fewer carbs. And if you and if you eat. If Listen, if you take processed food out of your diet, it's better for you. Like these are things we can't argue about. Like they're it's not, it's not arguable that red dye number something and a bunch of words you can't pronounce are better if you don't eat them like that. Right? That's just reasonable. But I'm also telling you that I understand people are going to eat those things. And I don't want them to have a high blood sugar after they do. Yeah, yeah. So I pick the

Susan Keuter 1:06:10
the end game is the same,

Scott Benner 1:06:13
right? It's just that this is the thing I'm good at talking about around diabetes, just as you're you're very well suited to talk about your thing. I mean, if there's another way to do something, I'm not saying there isn't. I'm just saying I don't know how to talk about it. And where we kind of run into trouble sometimes is once you reach scope, like when you actually are reaching people, there can be a feeling of I have to keep these people here. These are my numbers. These are my clicks. They're my likes, they're my downloads. I don't think that way, if someone listens to this episode and goes home and eat low carb, I want to listen that damn podcast anymore. Good. Good on, like, I think that's terrific for them. But okay,

Susan Keuter 1:06:54
you don't have to know how to dose for protein. You, buddy, listen,

Scott Benner 1:06:57
I think God would help you. Yeah, I think the podcast would help you otherwise. So I'm just saying if they should come to that, like if somebody right now is having a moment where they're like I'm getting out of here. This is terrific. I would not think of that as a loss listener. I would think that I think of that as one more person who I can sleep well at night thinking is going to live well. Right, right. And so I do think there are places, you know, on Facebook that prize their numbers, and they don't want you learning something that might take you out of their space. And I met that Yeah, and I just don't feel that way. I think whatever works for you works for you. There's, you know, it's funny, there's a it's funny in that on the Facebook page, you subscribe to a tone that I'm very comfortable with you having access to the people who I've collected together. I hope that makes sense. But that's not the tone that you hit me with an heiress.

Susan Keuter 1:07:54
You know, right. Because it was because I knew I knew you. You were flitting around the room am amped up on caffeine. I assumed passing out your little magnets that said Be bold with insulin. And I was sitting there going, Are you shitting me? Like, that's his slogan?

Scott Benner 1:08:15
I didn't make it up. The people listening did I

Unknown Speaker 1:08:17
understand?

Susan Keuter 1:08:19
But and I'm like, being bold with insulin. It is a frickin dangerous liquid.

Unknown Speaker 1:08:25
I know.

Unknown Speaker 1:08:26
You can't take out once you put in.

Scott Benner 1:08:29
I know. I know. I know.

Susan Keuter 1:08:30
But I sat at my table with my friends who similar minded to me. Yeah. And I'm like, how about Be gentle with carbs? How about Be gentle with carbs? And I sat there snarkily. And that's why Vicki kidnapped you and drug you over to me or drugged me to you. And? And because I mean, I get it. I get it.

Scott Benner 1:08:56
Yeah, no, I wish I wish we had time in that moment to have this conversation at the same time. I'm glad we didn't and that things went the way they did. We're having it here. And not to say that we were in any kind of like, you know, Bloods and Crips kind of a feud.

Susan Keuter 1:09:08
Or no, no, no, don't anybody under No, no, no, you came over to me very kindly. And you said, Hey, I heard you eat low carb. And and I don't have a problem with how anybody eats. And I'm like, and neither do I. Yeah. I said, but I think there's a better way to do it.

Scott Benner 1:09:22
No, no, it's a great example of how not all of the information can lead to feelings that are not accurate for what's really happening. And I'm in a weird position where they tell you bring something so that people can find your website and I can only afford magnets so they're cheap. Like relatively speaking, and I've learned that I'm I'm the you know, I'm but what is it the bottle washer, the brush cleaner, whatever. Like I have to do everything when I got to go give the talk and hand out the magnets and do all the things and in my heart, just know when I'm going around that room, I'm thinking I hope This makes sense to this person and that they go find more information that will help them because everything I say in that hour is not going to fix your situation.

Susan Keuter 1:10:08
Oh, no, there's no one. It's not fixable in an hour, right period. Yeah, you just can't not, you can hardly it's hardly introduce a ball in an hour, right.

Scott Benner 1:10:17
But now that you know what the podcast is, unless you were in such a haze of hate that you couldn't think, did I do a pretty good job in an hour of like, synopsize? it?

Unknown Speaker 1:10:26
synopsize? Yes, yeah,

Scott Benner 1:10:27
right. That's all you can do. If I start talking about one topic, the entire hour will get eaten up by that topic. Right? So it's been my finding that if you take a person who's completely believes that their blood sugars are just gonna bounce around like this forever, and you show them a graph, and you go, look, here's a person whose graph looks like this. Then they listened to the podcast spoke to him for a little bit, and then their graph looked like this. Yours could to an actor. Yeah. And it's important while you're explaining it to them, even though people don't like to hear it to tell them. My daughter's a one C has been between five, two and six for seven years. And she doesn't have any dietary restrictions. I'm not saying you shouldn't have diet restrictions. I'm just trying to put in one sentence into someone's head, that all the things that you think are impossible might not be Let's go find out what those things are together. It's just I've boiled the whole thing down to T shirt slogans so so that I can get them out on time. And no lie. You've listened long enough. Now, you know that the titles of the episodes are almost meaningless. And so I something

Unknown Speaker 1:11:31
more fun and very funny. I'm

Scott Benner 1:11:32
really hoping that I get a good one. Oh, see, yours is the Halloween stuff. So you're just it's just gonna be how we eat low carb. See, though you have to give me a subtitle, the subtitle I will think of a good subtitle but

Unknown Speaker 1:11:44
other than our sister, but

Scott Benner 1:11:47
I'll put that in there for you. But what happened was that very on in the podcast, when I was just sort of talking my way through it, I was just, I was by myself in this one episode. And I just said that I realized at some point that I needed to be bolder with the insulin, like it wasn't a catchphrase, it was something I said, in a long line of other sentences. Write and then I go back and edit it. And when I'm editing, I hear something. I'm like, Oh, that's the title. And I put it in there. And then no lie, Susan. Years later, I started seeing people referring to themselves as being bold with insulin on other social media platforms. And the first time I saw it, I thought, I can't be a coincidence. Yeah, right. And then so I kind of picked around a little bit actually reached out to someone I was like, Where did you get that from? She's like, I listened to it on a podcast. She didn't know it was me. And I was like, cool. And then I watched it grow and grow and grow. And then much like how people eat what I took from that was, this is resonating with people. So this must be meeting a need for them.

Unknown Speaker 1:12:48
Yes. So then I started saying and meeting a need.

Susan Keuter 1:12:52
Yes, there. There are so many needs and and there needs. The medical community needs to teach people how to Bolus accordingly. For however you're eating, yeah, they need to teach them about dosing for protein, they need to do some about or talk to them about dosing earlier before a meal and doing a correction bolus, and they need to stop freaking people the hell out about stacking up insulin. And but they also I think, I think what makes me sad, and what literally brings me to tears after talking to some people is that nobody talks to them about any other ways of eating. But I do know I didn't say I'm in medical community, health endocrinologist you're sent to after you leave the ER or life flighted with your eight year old.

Scott Benner 1:13:46
You talk to any doctor privately and ask them what's the first thing they should be telling the person they'll gonna tell them that it's about how they eat, but nobody does it because no one listens. And so they don't waste their time on it. They go right to they go right from preventative, which eating well would be preventative. And they go right into, well, let's manage the lifestyle that you have. And I think that I think that people deserve at least that much. And then maybe they can get their blood sugar's together and feel some you know, control in a good way, and then start making decisions for themselves because maybe I always kind of dream that sometimes people will eventually go Okay, look, I can Bolus for a pop tart. But that doesn't maybe mean I should eat a pop tart. And I and I tried to mention that as frequently as I can, that that you cannot confuse health with being able to manage insulin.

Susan Keuter 1:14:46
Like just because yes, yes. shouldn't confuse you can eat that too. You should eat that.

Scott Benner 1:14:51
Right. It's the line from Jurassic Park when Jeff Goldblum says you know something about like, just because we can doesn't mean we should and so I could probably I probably is the I could there's not much I can imagine my daughter could could ask me for food wise that I can't control with insulin, I have a really advanced idea of it right? But that doesn't mean that I sit her down with like a feed bag. Oh my god, just keep eating,

Susan Keuter 1:15:18
you know, like that. Think you give that impression, I've never gotten that impression I tried. But it's the other line that I love is you don't know what you don't know. And I don't know how many dozens and dozens and dozens of people I've talked to face to face in my own town. When I travel. When I email and message with people that they didn't know that reducing the number of carbs they eat, could make a difference. Because they were assigned in the hospital to 60 grams of carbs a day and a 25 gram carb snack between two meals and before bedtime. And I like and you're wondering why you're a one sees double digits.

Scott Benner 1:16:04
The one thing that doctors at diagnosis don't do that they should is lever that we leave you with the impression that this is preliminary management. And this is going to change.

Susan Keuter 1:16:15
Yep. But But people here. You don't have to change anything right now.

Scott Benner 1:16:19
You don't have to change anything, right? Don't just eat just how you did. I always use as an example that I was given handed novolog for my daughter and the words were This is her insulin. And I have since found that a different insulin works better for but it was very difficult in my own mind to make the switch because amandla white coat told me this was insulin I didn't even imagine there was other insolence.

Unknown Speaker 1:16:45
Right? You know,

Scott Benner 1:16:46
for years, I didn't know there were other companies making other insolence in the beginning. And that's the same thing. You're saying that someone tells you something and in that horrible moment of your life, it sticks to you like gospel. And what if you get bad information now that that bad information stuck to you that way? Okay, so let's take a couple if you have a couple extra minutes I know I've got you over time I'm sorry. As I'm just happy I got out of Arizona imagine how you could have shot me if you wanted to. Oh, no, no, I

Susan Keuter 1:17:13
don't carry gun I

Scott Benner 1:17:14
just met the gun was there seem laxed and so when people are shooting plants on the side of the road, I assume I'm not safe anywhere. But I'm also I have to say that as soon as I landed in Arizona, and I was in a car leaving the airport, you know, Vicki's with me in the car. We don't really know each other all that well. And I'm immediately just like, oh, look at all the cactuses like,

Unknown Speaker 1:17:36
cacti everywhere.

Scott Benner 1:17:38
I love them so much. So I was immediately an idiot talking like that. But I'm sure help me understand how you're making things and I'm not being reductive. I just don't get it. Like I eat in some low carb food before that's supposed to mimic higher carb foods. And while some of them seem okay, to me, there have been some that have hit my tongue and I've like I've like stuck my tongue out. Like just try to knock it off because I was afraid of it slid off my tongue. I taste it more. So how do you do that? Like, how are you making? Or do you not know the difference? Because you haven't had sugar in forever? I I?

Unknown Speaker 1:18:15
Um,

Susan Keuter 1:18:17
I am I think what they call it is an avoider. Like if, if, if you're given the chance to abstain or avoid. I think that I don't remember what that's from anyway. I just I mean, we my children were young. I didn't buy Oreos. I mean, we didn't have birthday cakes. Okay, because it was just easier for me to just not have it. Sure. It was just it as long as I could avoid it. It was fine. Now I'm better now that I'm older so I can buy Pringles for my, my husband and my granddaughter does eat applesauce, applesauce every once in a while. But I don't it doesn't bother me. So now I can say I'm I do. Okay, abstaining. But I don't have a sweet tooth. Literally. I could be sitting here next to a Baked Alaska with hot budge and cakepops. And I know I'm sipping water. They I don't have a sweet tooth. I really

Scott Benner 1:19:20
don't. That is important to say because some people don't. And it is easier for them. It's well

Susan Keuter 1:19:27
and and it's I mean, I think it's just because I abstained for so long, right? I mean, I just didn't have it. Why would I bring chips all into the house for my children and husband? I can't have any

Scott Benner 1:19:38
Yeah, no, I I don't have an addictive personality around certain things that cripple other people like if you give me a pack of cigarettes, I would not enjoy it, but I could smoke them all and never have another one. Right and and I don't drink but if I could have a beer easily, and it wouldn't make me think I should have another beer. Right? And so that's just my brains wired. That way, but sugar for me is tough. Like if I I need to limit my sugar during the during a day in a week, and if I lean into sugar too much off off a cliff. Yeah, that absolutely happens to me.

Susan Keuter 1:20:13
And I think that that most people that follow a standard American diet

Unknown Speaker 1:20:17
do

Susan Keuter 1:20:18
yeah. And you know, I hate I hate the phrase. I've used hate a lot so far. I don't mean to do that. Um, I hate the phrase, a cheat meal. Did you cheat today was today a cheat day? Oh, I, I fell off the wagon. I cheated.

Scott Benner 1:20:33
But it's the language of a person who doesn't want to be on the wagon that they're on?

Unknown Speaker 1:20:36
I think so. Yeah.

Susan Keuter 1:20:41
And so I don't cheat. I just, I just made a decision that wasn't the best for me at the time. And, and I can admit to it,

Scott Benner 1:20:48
I have an avoidance I use so if I feel my like the need for like sweets, I grab, I have a bag of I have two bags of chocolate chips, like high quality chocolate chips in the cupboard. And I take some semies and some milk ones and I mix them together and I eat them. And that's enough for me, but it's not super processed. Like if I would have taken it. If I take a handful of m&ms in that scenario. Yes, then I start heading off the cliff. But if I take just pure chocolate, I'm okay. And then that's like it's like methadone for food. For me. I just take a little bit of it and keeps me off the rest of it is how it feels. But if I catch myself feeling that way at the grocery store, and buy some like sugary candy or something like that, yeah, I'm not mindful of it. I'll spend the next two weeks stopping myself from eating candy.

Susan Keuter 1:21:39
Right, you know, which just shows the power of sugar. Yeah, that's what that does. I mean, you're a grown man with a decent amount of intelligence behind you. I'm going to assume what you project on the internet. So you know that that's what happens. But you are still swayed by it? I mean, it's it's powerful. Is it powerful drug? It is

Scott Benner 1:22:02
decent amount, by the way is neat is neither insulting nor complimentary. Sorry, no, no. I felt like you did it on purpose. I was just

Susan Keuter 1:22:13
I mean, I always assume the best. That's my mama bringing me up that way. You always assume the best and everybody I that? Yeah.

Scott Benner 1:22:19
You're very tired. I think I'm bright enough. And I think that that doesn't help me in that situation. Yes. Okay. Yeah, it would be like saying that, you know, somebody with a 160 iq couldn't do heroin. I don't think that's true.

Susan Keuter 1:22:33
Oh, no. Okay. All right. I see your analogy

Scott Benner 1:22:35
there. So it could happen to anybody, in my opinion.

Susan Keuter 1:22:38
Okay, but so you've tasted some things that are baked low carb, I'm assuming you mean like low carb brownies or low carb bundt cake, or low carb cheesecake,

Scott Benner 1:22:47
or some of that pre packaged stuff that some of those companies Hawk when they're like, there's no impact on your blood sugar. That's not what it's like, you know, that kind of thing.

Susan Keuter 1:22:55
So many of those things. They're just lying. I do think that there are some amazing recipes out there. And made with supplies and ingredients that I didn't have 30 years ago or 25 years ago when my kids were children if my kids were children, and I had coconut flour and almond flour, and monkfruit sweetener, and they would have had birthday cakes. Okay, but instead they didn't. And could

Scott Benner 1:23:28
I have one of those cakes and not see the difference? Or what I noticed that it's different, but it's still sweet and there's no aftertaste.

Susan Keuter 1:23:37
I mean, I don't know I my 79 year old father here over Christmas, and I made cinnamon rolls three different mornings. And finally on the last one, I'm like, you realize there's no flour and sugar in these?

Scott Benner 1:23:50
No, cool. And that's something Have you shared that recipe online.

Unknown Speaker 1:23:55
Yes, yeah.

Scott Benner 1:23:55
All right. I'll try that I'll make I'm gonna make your

Susan Keuter 1:23:58
time somebody posts. I want to have a Cinnabon this weekend. How do I Bolus for it? which is of course, an open ended question that leads to 22 more questions. I always post a picture. And that's when I get the hate mail.

Scott Benner 1:24:12
Well, yeah, because well, but keep in mind too, that those two things are in congruence, which is they're not asking you for a replacement for they're literally saying, I'm gonna have a Cinnabon. How do I keep this from but it's also your opportunity to jump in. There's a guy named john on the board who listens and I love I think he's a great guy. And he I think he comes from the very same place that you do his he's just not quite as soft about it. And so he so it feels a little more friction he when he does it not once in a while, I'll send him a message and I'm like, john, I love you. Just dial that back just a little bit.

Susan Keuter 1:24:47
Yeah, and I and I know I mean, my, one of my biggest weaknesses, there's only two, one of them. One of my biggest weaknesses is my filter. And it's the pep talk I got from my husband, this He's like, no f bombs and just you know, rein it in. And

Scott Benner 1:25:03
what are you holding back while we're talking? Yeah. Why are you holding anything back while we're talking? No, I don't think you are.

Susan Keuter 1:25:10
Well, I mean, sometimes I do some. Oh, the last time I got kicked off of a message board. And I've gotten kicked off of one I just got kicked off one last night. While I slept, somebody kicked me out of their new group. Because I tell when when and it's always the mamas. And it's always the mamas under six months in debt to diagnosis, and they're like, what he's, you know, the, the Froot Loops or the or the pop tart, or the, the peanut butter and jelly uncrustables in the lunch box with the Frito lays and the Cheetos and the juice box. And I'm like, oh, if you can just like how about this? How about eggs and some turkey sausage links on big skewers. So they're kind of like corndogs. And it's, it's, I don't want to eat that way. Or I can't do that. And I'm like, well, then that's you being lazy.

Scott Benner 1:26:03
So I will tell you, that's

Susan Keuter 1:26:04
where I get in trouble. When I say lazy.

Scott Benner 1:26:06
I bet you aren't an eight like that for a few years in like younger elementary to middle school, where it was all just whatever, you could easily kind of pack together. And that's not how she eats anymore.

Unknown Speaker 1:26:18
Right? Good. Yeah. It should.

Scott Benner 1:26:22
But yeah, but her palate has morphed as she's gotten older. And she's

Susan Keuter 1:26:27
a teenager. She's I mean, her palate should morph. Yes.

Scott Benner 1:26:30
You know, sometimes when she has like hormones going, she can't stomach the idea of eating meat. Yeah. And then a couple days later, she's like, you know, having a piece of chicken. Right? It's really it's, it's all super interesting. But, um, let's see now. So where you would say that's lazy because you could build a better mousetrap and make a better lunch? And it's there. You don't know that either. They could be working three jobs and have no money. You don't even

Susan Keuter 1:26:57
You're right. You're right. And and that's, that's another avenue where I get hate now.

Unknown Speaker 1:27:03
Yeah, like,

Susan Keuter 1:27:04
I try not to post pictures of ribeyes because you're like, like, okay, let's focus on hamburgers.

Scott Benner 1:27:10
Well, everybody's are expensive.

Susan Keuter 1:27:11
Like, no, but I mean, and and, and, but I'm a Nebraska girl. So I mean, I like red meat. Yeah. But they don't have to be revised. They can mean hamburger and ground turkey and ground pork and pork sausage. I mean, there are so many ways to skin this cat.

Unknown Speaker 1:27:27
Yep. Well,

Susan Keuter 1:27:30
you know, eggs is one of the cheapest, cheapest sources of protein out there.

Scott Benner 1:27:37
I probably have an egg like at least every other day of some kind or another.

Susan Keuter 1:27:41
I'm not a dietitian, tell me once at the Mayo Clinic that I was allowed four eggs a week. And I'm like, I think I had five for breakfast.

Scott Benner 1:27:52
I have to say that I'm really proud that there's a space that I had that I created where you talk and it's cordial. And that some people can come in and find out more. And some people can leave it and walk away from it. I honestly the way people communicate now. Nowadays, I'm just so amazed that it not amazed. I'm genuinely proud that it works that way. I love what you do. I don't think what your husband's saying, when he says tone it down. I here's what I hear if I said that to you. If I was making that same statement, what I would say is, you know, just try to remember that not everybody's where you are and show them what you know when they'll take it or leave it but you can't judge them afterwards like that.

Susan Keuter 1:28:35
But and then I will interrupt you a multiple time is this is this is where then I I start getting my feelings hurt. Which happens it's easy to do is when somebody messages me like oh my gosh, that looks so good. Can you send me the recipe and I copy and paste once again the link and the this and I give him my little tips and and then and then they're like, Oh my gosh, I'm gonna try it and then and then. And then they're like, I can't keep this up. I can't do it. Right. And, and I'm like, I post almost all of my food that I eat. Seriously, most of it is the most mundane, boring, non recipe required. stuff. I mean, I don't have cookbooks. I think I have one low carb cookbook. Because seriously, I'm just making dinner. grilled meat roasted meat stew, meat, BBQ meat, whatever. airfryer, veggie roasted veggie pan fry or saute a veggie and put a salad with it. And when did that become so dangerous?

Scott Benner 1:29:51
Well, I think there's been time consuming and difficult. Right, right. Well, I don't know. But I also don't like I don't know. I don't know their life though. So I don't like

Unknown Speaker 1:30:00
No, right?

Scott Benner 1:30:00
I have no idea, I can tell you that I have a job where I get up in the morning, I take care of my dogs and my family. And then I record a podcast and I edit a podcast and I do some things. There's also been times in my life where I've had to get up at five o'clock in the morning, drive an hour to get to a job where I worked my ass off and could barely hold myself up when it was over at the end of the day and had no money to show for it. And so, I mean, it for somebody it is for every

Susan Keuter 1:30:27
job. So what here I am, again. So what, what if you're paying a lot of money for insulin? Because your kid is using a ton of insulin to cover what

Scott Benner 1:30:43
if I've got insurance? And it only cost me $20? Well,

Susan Keuter 1:30:45
I mean, I assume? Yeah. Okay.

Scott Benner 1:30:48
All right. So So I think the point is, is that it's just not everything's not right for everybody, and you might not be right on it. And you you might be 100%. Right, and that doesn't change the rest of the conversation, I think,

Susan Keuter 1:31:04
right? And so what I love when I love talking to people, when they say, I'm going to try this for a week. And then usually the first thing I say is, you know what, try it for a day. Start with one meal. Okay, start with a meal. It's a good idea. And I said and I every time I give somebody or link it on the on your page, to the low carb recipe for pancakes and waffles. I'm like, don't make a big production about this mom. Don't be Hey, Jr. We're trying something new tomorrow. It's different. It's not going to be Eggo. I mean, don't make it. It's a sales job. That's what we have our job as parents is salesmanship

Scott Benner 1:31:45
I have to say that we don't use a syrup called carries. It's very like a low carb syrup. And if you gave me real maple syrup, or like any off the shelf, like pancake syrup, everyone in my family would probably get a brain freeze from it. Like Like we you know, you'd probably like oh, my God, all the sugar, like, like you just like, we definitely couldn't do it. And that's a switch we made like throwing a switch when Arden had diabetes, like Alright, we'll just you know, we'll buy this one instead of that one. And it does make a difference. I can see where people would be shocked by it. But But yeah, you can't go from Mike and ikes to low carb and not think that somebody is not going to go This isn't as much fun. Yeah, like, of course, it's not good. But

Susan Keuter 1:32:28
I have I have a hell of a lot of fun, Scott.

Scott Benner 1:32:31
No, I imagine you do. And by the way, I put a mic and like in my mouth the other day and spit it in the garbage because I was like, What is this? It was laying around that I popped in my mouth. And I'm like, this doesn't even taste like anything. It's the weirdest thing ever. And I and I would probably in my mid 20s have grabbed a little box of Mike and ikes leaving a 711 at lunchtime and not thought twice about it.

Susan Keuter 1:32:50
Mm hmm. You know, as soon as they figure out how to make low carb, good and Pliny's. I'll be all over again. Right? Yeah.

Scott Benner 1:32:58
Okay. Well, I genuinely I know. I kept you long. I apologize. I love this conversation. I'm very happy that you did it. I want to thank you for your time. You know, of course, thank

Susan Keuter 1:33:07
you for letting me speak because I ultimately you and I have the exact same goal, you know, every diabetic to have normal numbers.

Scott Benner 1:33:17
And I don't think that most people it's possible. I don't think that most people with a message that's even similar to yours doesn't have the same goal. I think that some people are better at delivering it than others. And when it ends up being like, eat like you're proselytizing, then that's where I think it gets contentious among people. Like I think that I think you're not, I think you're you're accepted very well. And in my group, it because I'm surprised that you get kicked out of other groups. If you're not if you're acting the same somewhere else, then I don't get that. But there are people who will proselytize. And then that's where you start getting divisions and people start yelling back and forth and trying to make points like, Well, yeah, but you're spending more money on insulin, you're like, well, but like, when that starts happening, you're lost. Like, like, no one's coming out of that. So I think long form conversations help that too.

Susan Keuter 1:34:09
Well, and I mean, I've done this a lot of years. I keep saying that. I've done this a lot of years. And if if something that I say or if something that I share or or an idea that that gets repeated can help somebody miss some of the steps that I did. Like, yeah, I mean, I've had the ambulance called two times in my life traumatizing Yeah. If I can make sure that see I'm gonna start getting choked up here.

Unknown Speaker 1:34:45
wasn't gonna cry, you're gonna cry crying,

Susan Keuter 1:34:47
I can make sure that every single newly diagnosed kiddo could never see the inside of an ambulance. That would be the best day for me. And if so, thing I say, could help that. Then I'm gonna keep saying it. I agree even even if 90% of the people go, Oh, God, here's Susan, again with her three day meal plan.

Unknown Speaker 1:35:11
Well, let me that's fine.

Susan Keuter 1:35:12
I don't care. I don't care that those aren't. That's not my audience.

Scott Benner 1:35:16
Let me agree with you. First of all, I agree. Second of all, I think you can do that and eat carbs if you want to. But I think if you can't, then not eating carbs and accomplishing it is a great idea as well. I think whatever works for you is what works for you. I also don't want you to imagine that the crap you get from some people, I don't get to,

Unknown Speaker 1:35:38
I'm sure you do. I'm

Susan Keuter 1:35:39
sure you get it tenfold.

Scott Benner 1:35:41
I agree. Well, I have a lot of people like to write me long letters about what I don't do, right. And so what I've learned to do is exactly what you just said, that I've seen that more that there are people who are helped by this podcast. And as the podcast grows, and the scope of it gets bigger. My imagination tells me that means that somebody heard it, it helped them and they told someone else about it. And say that's what that growth tells me if the if the podcast were to stay stagnant, or to drop off, I would think, okay, my message is not resonating with people. And I might just stop making the podcast I don't know. But as as it continues to grow to me that says there's value in it, and value in it. And so when I get a letter from someone who says, I don't like the way you did this, you talked over this person, you didn't let this person say something, blah, blah, blah, I say to them, maybe I did, I'm not perfect at this, there are times I do a better job than not than others. But also, you have to admit that there's something about my sensibility that makes this Listen, double, because you can put great information in things and people don't listen to it. You can write something, it's amazing. They might not read it. So I think they're, I believe that. It's as much about how you deliver the message as what the message is. And that's what I try to stick to. And I think that's what you are good at. And it sounds like with that gentleman in your house getting better at every day. I think by the time you're 220

Susan Keuter 1:37:12
you have a much bigger audience than I do. My little Facebook page has like 600 likes and you have a bigger audience. What's your pitch? Tell people? The T one D Mimi. Oh, cool. Yeah. Yeah. But, and every time I'm like, I'm just gonna not post anything this weekend. It's It's okay, whatever, no one's reading. And then I'll get a message that has me blubbering at my kitchen table. Yeah.

Scott Benner 1:37:36
Well, listen, I agree. I'll tell you right now, if you want to take your most popular recipe, that's the easiest to make. I'll put it on my blog for you. Like I would I would love to show it to somebody I'm happy to I'm I don't. This how we eat episode. Episodes to me are about saying there are a lot of different ways. The also, by the way, you pointed out really well earlier that just because we're branding, everything right now, doesn't mean it's all new under the sun. like nobody said you were low carb in 1992. You just took the roll off of your cheeseburger.

Susan Keuter 1:38:07
Exactly. Exactly. Right. And that's Yeah, because I figured out I mean, kind of let me Let's face it, Scott, I was doing your job. 35 years ago, I was figuring out there that are insulin that I was supposed to take as I took my first bite wasn't covering my hamburger bun. Yeah. So Screw it, take the hamburger bun off. I

Scott Benner 1:38:28
don't care. Let's make it easier. Look, there was the guy. I had a guy on six in the last six months who was talking about just eating like a carnivore diet. And while he was talking, I heard him I thought like, Huh, this works for somebody great. Like, I don't think I'm gonna do it. But I understand.

Susan Keuter 1:38:46
Right? Didn't you try it?

Scott Benner 1:38:47
I did try it a little bit after a while. I'm like, I don't want all this meat. But yeah, I

Susan Keuter 1:38:53
couldn't do that. Because that's, I don't need that much fat and, and I like I miss I love veggies. I mean, I Oh, veggies. Like,

Scott Benner 1:39:00
I don't need that much fat as important. I'm sorry, we'll let you go. But there is I've learned an amount of as crazy as it's gonna sound sugar. And it's not a lot. But if I go completely off sugar, my insides don't work as well. I need a tiny little bit but not like pouring it on things. I mean, like, I need stuff that has a little like a, you know, if you make a, you know, tomato sauce, it might have a couple of tablespoons of sugar in it. You know, like, like, that kind of thing. Okay, just a little bit of it is better for me than none. And when I go completely off sugar, I don't do as well. And I'm not saying

Susan Keuter 1:39:37
we haven't gone off of it long enough.

Unknown Speaker 1:39:39
It's possible.

Scott Benner 1:39:40
But you're saying no, I 100% could believe that. But I also too, and I got other stuff to do. No, I'm sorry.

Susan Keuter 1:39:47
And I'm all for like, I mean, what i say i'm i'm grumpy. I'm lazy and I'm old.

Unknown Speaker 1:39:52
That's

Susan Keuter 1:39:54
mine works for me. And I wish I wish more people would be open to at least trying it out. trying it with their kiddos. I had a kindergartener in my class last week T one D. I went into the teachers lounge at lunch and just put my head down and cried.

Unknown Speaker 1:40:13
They had blisters all over the place already. I

Susan Keuter 1:40:15
saw what he had for breakfast, I saw what he had for snack. And I walked him into the lunchroom and opened his lunchbox with him. Yeah, and Hey, knauz ating physically nauseous because of what those numbers look like to me. And I I do not blame his mama. Absolutely. I do not blame his daddy. Definitely don't blame him.

Scott Benner 1:40:39
I think that most people will figure out how to eat at some point. I really do.

Unknown Speaker 1:40:44
Like, I hope so.

Scott Benner 1:40:45
I hope so. So I think I'll leave you with this idea. The people you see online are a very small fraction of the people that exist.

Susan Keuter 1:40:54
Oh, they are definitely right.

Scott Benner 1:40:56
So there are plenty of people who have that problem, they get help, they figure out how to do it. And then I think they move on to a part of their life where it's not an issue anymore, and they don't have to worry about it. So that's always my knock on wood hope. But I really really this was terrific. I really appreciate you doing this. And I want to thank

Susan Keuter 1:41:14
you. I mean, it's getting hot in the closet now. So

Unknown Speaker 1:41:16
I'm gonna open the door. Now let you out of the closet.

Scott Benner 1:41:22
A huge thanks to Susan for coming on the show and talking about eating low carb and of course the rest of her story. Thanks to to Dexcom makers of the G6 continuous glucose monitor and on the pod makers of oww the Omnipod actually it's insulin who makes Omnipod but I don't usually say it like that. Because Dexcom makes the G6 but on the pod makes the Omnipod isn't that interesting branding information? Not really right? MyOmnipod.com/ juicebox get your free no obligation demo or see if you're eligible for that 30 day trial of the Omnipod dash and of course at dexcom.com/juicebox. You can learn all about and get started with the Dexcom g6.

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#439 How We Eat: Gluten Free

February 10, 2021Scott Benner

Type 1 Diabetes, Celiac and Gluten Free Eating

Lindsay is a type 1 who has Celiac and eats Gluten Free.

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Scott Benner 0:00
Hello friends and welcome to Episode 439 of the Juicebox Podcast. On today's show, I'm going to be speaking with Lindsay. And this episode is another in the how we eat series. So number 400 is how we eat carnivore. Number 373 how we eat vegan cat number 405 how we eat plant based. And today of course, we'll be talking about a gluten free diet, amongst many other things.

Lindsay has had Type One Diabetes for a very long time. She's also had celiac for a really long time, not as long as the diabetes, but still, you'll see. Today she's on the show to tell her story. And of course, we're going to talk about how she eats. Please remember, while you're listening that nothing you hear on the Juicebox Podcast should be considered advice, medical or otherwise, please always consult a physician before making any changes to your health care plan. We're becoming bold with insulin.

I don't normally do this. But Lindsay, if you're listening, I just went back to see your initial email that you sent me and your life is so full and rich. And we basically didn't talk about any of it. So you can come back on whenever you want. Send me an email.

No kidding. We should never have talked about the celiac Look at all this stuff. Oh, Captain that says firefighter business owner skydiving marathon. does that say? Wait? Hold on a second deckhand. I deckhand on a fishing boat, not a boat, Captain. I mean, I've never been on a boat. So it all kind of seems the same to me. Anyway, before we get started, let me just throw my deep voice and tell you that nothing. No, I was already said that. Oh boy, here we go. This episode of The Juicebox Podcast is sponsored by the Dexcom g six continuous glucose monitor, head over to dexcom.com Ford slash juice box to learn more about the CGM that I think is life changing for people who are using insulin. And of course, the insulin pump that my daughter has been using, since she was four years old is the Omni pod. And it is a tubeless insulin pump. Why don't you check it out and even get them to send you a free no obligation demo by going to my Omni pod.com Ford slash juice box. While you're out there on the internet checkout touched by type one.org, two great little organization that does amazing things for people with type one diabetes, touch by type one.org. And you can find them on Facebook and Instagram. And the person who started touched by type one is going to be on the show in a couple of weeks.

Lindsay 3:01
My name is Lindsay, I live in New Jersey. I've been a type one for a while since I was six years old. So for about 27 years. I just hit my 27th year in July. And I've been celiac for about 16 years. Okay,

Scott Benner 3:23
how did the celiac present itself.

Lindsay 3:27
So when I switched doctors from a pediatric endocrinologist to an adult doctor when I was a teenager, they ran it the celiac test as a random routine test for new patients. And the one marker did come back positive. Of course, when they do the blood work, it'll come back positive but then it has to be confirmed with a biopsy through an endoscopy which was also done and it was confirmed. I I had no idea at the time what it was I'd never heard of it. My mom had never heard of it. And we kind of we started from that point. Totally gluten free.

Scott Benner 4:13
So were you living with type one for about a decade without understanding that you had celiac do you think?

Lindsay 4:19
Yes, I do. And in looking back in hindsight, I always had just kind of like a funky stomach i can't i have no other way to describe it. I'm just very, very agitated I was uncomfortable a lot and I felt like it was a lot more than it should be. So all throughout elementary and middle school I just was in a lot of discomfort and looking back now I do believe that I was celiac positive at that point.

Scott Benner 4:52
I'm trying to decide if you guys come on and try to name the shows while you're talking because I'm very drawn to funky stomach as the title for this episode. Just you You know,

Unknown Speaker 5:00
I love it.

Lindsay 5:01
I think it's I think it's a great title

Scott Benner 5:04
to work towards celiac in there somewhere. So people understand why but I think funky stomach is very strong. Okay, so that that's what you know, it's so funny, you're gonna be great at this because I had a question for you. And you answered the question and just continued talking. I was like, Oh, this is gonna be easy for me, thank God. But um, okay, so let's put a little bit of context to funky stomach so that people who may be experiencing the same thing understand, what what did you notice what was happening?

Unknown Speaker 5:38
What was that?

Scott Benner 5:39
What What did you notice? Like what made you like, you know, did you eat something? And then or were you not connecting the dots in those first 10 years? Did you say

Lindsay 5:48
yours? I don't think I was connecting the dots at all. Nor were my parents. I think we had been to the gastroenterologist, and then to the doctor, and we were always really on top of my health all throughout my entire life, basically. But I think at that point, a lot of people didn't really think celiac, they didn't really think all of these other things, that could be the problem. You know, they just kind of would brush it off and say, Oh, it's, it's a funky stomach, or it's your genes, or, you know, maybe you have a sensitivity but we don't, we're not that concerned about it.

Scott Benner 6:27
So they weren't that concerned with you. They weren't that concerned, because they weren't in the bathroom with you after you ate. I bet you were concerned. Right?

Lindsay 6:34
Well, they weren't living with me. And, you know, I know a lot of other people with celiac and undiagnosed celiac. Say that they struggle like in the bathroom. They really, they really are their lives are affected terribly. And I don't think I was ever at that point. It didn't seem to be that drastic for me. But yeah, I think we just kind of brushed it off for the first 10 years. And then once we put the pieces together, and once we got the diagnosis, I it really all started to make sense. And the symptoms, now that I know their bloating, their discomfort, diarrhea, nausea, I never had any vomiting, but I was often very tired, just kind of lethargic. And those really do fit the bill. Okay,

Scott Benner 7:26
so you eat something that doesn't, let's just say agree with your, with your system. And then what's the timing? How long does it take for symptoms to pop up? How long do they last?

Lindsay 7:38
So for celiac, for me, I would notice symptoms within about a half hour, I would say half hour to an hour. And I really don't know how that's possible. And I've asked this question to my doctor several times, we've kind of come up with an answer, which is a whole other conversation that I can touch on. But the celiac affects your small intestine. So for food to get to your small intestine, it's going to take quite a while. So I'm not really sure how I'm symptomatic in such a small frame of time. But the one the one thing that I was going to mention is that I have figured out some other foods that I've had issues with which has led me to also being on a low fodmap diet, which is an acronym for different types of carbohydrates that are difficult to digest. And that's really where like a lot of different discomfort was coming from as well.

Scott Benner 8:38
Okay. All right. So it's something it hits you pretty quickly. discomfort comes in all the ways that you described, does it last for hours days,

Lindsay 8:49
it will last for days. So if I eat something with gluten in it, I will have severe just exhaustion, achy, achy, Enos almost flu like or mild flu like symptoms, just feeling absolutely terrible. And that will last for me for probably a couple of days. And the only thing I would be able to do to try and help that along is just hydrate, drink a ton of water. I exercise a lot. So I would do my best to really continue exercising. I feel like that can only help and just do your best to filter out whatever toxins. You know, I have in my body. It's

Scott Benner 9:34
crazy. It really is strange. And I'm assuming if you don't understand that this is why it's happening for food reasons. Then you probably eat something that makes it keep going daily, right? There's probably no really getting out of it back before you understand. It's just you just think you have a funky stomach.

Unknown Speaker 9:51
Right, exactly.

Unknown Speaker 9:52
And I say, for me,

Lindsay 9:54
I love food. I've always been a great eater even when I was a baby. So We were eating all sorts of different foods. And when I was little we were traveling and we were just having a ball. And, you know, almost I felt like everything I ate affected me negatively, in some way,

Scott Benner 10:13
because at some point probably in every meal, you had something even if it wasn't everything you had something that was impacting you. Oh, for sure.

Lindsay 10:21
Yeah, absolutely. And now knowing what it is gluten will hide in so many different things that people don't even know it's in. It's really

Scott Benner 10:31
tough. Tell me about that. Where would it exist? Like we think I would think of bread, right? I'd be like, Oh, I guess? I guess Lindsey doesn't eat pizza, and things like that. But where is it that we don't think of it.

Lindsay 10:43
So other things would be different kinds of sauces. So some salad dressings like thick pasta sauces, like a Baka sauce, Alfredo sauce, soups, a lot of soups have have wheat flour and gluten in it. It's really a thickener. It's it's a protein. So it binds food. It makes food sick and yummy and delicious. And unfortunately, you know, those are those are off the table. A lot of people we eat a lot of sushi. So a lot of people don't realize soy sauce has wheat in it. Beer, a lot of different alcoholic beverages if you're over 21 Yeah, and of course, bread. Oh, any any kind of carb karvy? Would it starchy food?

Scott Benner 11:35
Would it be easier to list the things that don't have gluten in it? Yeah,

Lindsay 11:40
it would, it would. And it's, it's really like vegetables, fruit, chicken, fish steak. Those things are naturally gluten free. And then, over the years, and since I was diagnosed, it's become a real market for food. So there's so many different options now. So we have breads and pastas and all sorts of sweet treats and anything we could possibly imagine.

Scott Benner 12:07
Um, it's an autoimmune disease. Is that right?

Unknown Speaker 12:11
It is Yes.

Scott Benner 12:12
Is that your only other autoimmune type? Just type one in celiac?

Unknown Speaker 12:17
Yes.

Scott Benner 12:18
Gotcha. And it so is it. The lining in it? Like I know you said the small intestines, but it's something about the lining in the small intestines is there like flattened out or something like that? or?

Lindsay 12:30
Yeah, so your small intestine has lining, they're made up of small little finger like objects called v lie. And when a celiac patient eats gluten, the gluten, the body attacks that gluten as an invader, and it will the villa will become flattened out. So normally, they're like hair like structures, they absorb things, they catch things as they travel through the small intestine. And it will become they will become flattened out over time. Which really then causes inflammation, damage. And then of course, other things from that point, which would be malabsorption. of anything that you're eating anemia and, and all sorts of different other problems.

Scott Benner 13:23
So then you start with Once this happens once the gluten attacks, that lining and starts flattening it out and causing all these other problems, you're also going to start having trouble absorbing other nutrients as well, correct?

Lindsay 13:37
Yeah, correct. And a lot of patients with celiac who are undiagnosed, are really quite underweight, or just very unhealthy. They obviously, I would think most of them feel terrible. And they're just not they're not thriving.

Scott Benner 13:52
Yeah. That's very interesting and timely for me. Because if you if you listen to the podcast, I don't think I've said it out loud, like completely, because I'm still trying to figure out how to talk about it. But I've learned that it's possible. I have a genetic problem where I can't absorb iron. Okay.

Unknown Speaker 14:09
Yeah. And

Scott Benner 14:11
so I've had a lot of these different tests, you know, and the endoscopy the other way, you know,

Unknown Speaker 14:19
lovely. Yeah,

Scott Benner 14:19
I've swallowed a camera that was fun. Or like this purse around my neck for a bunch of hours. And I could just pick it up and look at this little screen and watch the camera go through my system. And oh, my gosh, yeah, kind of cool. Well, yeah, I mean, but the camera came out, Lindsay

Lindsay 14:37
I'm glad it came out, though.

Scott Benner 14:38
Yeah, I'm just saying that part I wasn't as thrilled about and it but it's very interesting that these two things, they do sort of mimic each other. I have just started the process of getting involved in a study for people who don't absorb iron that's happening out of Boston Children's I think, okay, and We might be figuring out that my son has it as well. Oh, wow. But it's just it's very interesting to see to how it affects me. But he being younger and more kind of, you know, vital than I am, obviously, where he can kind of overpower some of the symptoms, unlike this where this would just down anybody. It's just really fascinating that that it's all the idea of your immune system seeing something incorrectly, like just it's seeing the gluten incorrectly. That's the entirety of the problem. Is that really it?

Lindsay 15:33
I believe so. To the best of my knowledge. Yes. And it is. It is very interesting. It's very scary. autoimmune diseases, as you know, there's just so many question marks, and there's so many of them. And nobody really knows why this seems to happen. Yeah, it's quite

Scott Benner 15:51
scary. Why did people stop calling it celiac? sprue?

Unknown Speaker 15:55
Oh, I really don't know. I

Lindsay 15:58
think people, I think people are just getting a little bit more used to it now. So just calling it

Unknown Speaker 16:02
celiac.

Scott Benner 16:03
My wife's grandmother, me and my wife's grandmother had it. Excuse me. And she if you asked her what was wrong, she's like, I've got the sprue

Lindsay 16:12
I think I'm gonna start saying, Yeah, just start telling people you really, really interesting.

Scott Benner 16:18
I have the sprue. I'm gonna read. I'm gonna read for a second an autoimmune reaction to eating gluten, a protein found in wheat, barley and rye over time, the immune reaction to eating gluten creates inflammation that damages the small intestines lining, leading to medical complications, it also prevents absorption of some nutrients. The classic symptoms of like you mentioned diarrhea, other symptoms include bloating, gas, fatigue, low blood count, anemia, osteoporosis, and many people can have this without symptoms. That's interesting. a mainstay of treatment is strict gluten free diet that can help manage symptoms and promote intestinal healing. Okay, so once you figure this all out, and you switch to a gluten free diet, back before it was hip to say you weren't eating gluten. And before it was hip, I'm assuming it was difficult to find things that didn't have gluten in it, what did you do in the beginning,

Lindsay 17:08
I remember it being very difficult. I remember really going through a whole extensive list of foods that I was going to have to eliminate from my diet. And being in high school, I, I was kind of in denial about it. I was like, Oh, this, you know, this isn't really a big deal. I'll figure it out. And maybe I'll have a you know, sneak a cookie here and there. If I really want one that didn't last very long. Because once I realized what I was doing to myself, just with one cookie, I really kind of had like, a total 180 I couldn't continue on that path. So we eliminated and we meaning my parents and I a lot of different foods and and we had to just totally navigate the food store in a different way. At that point, there was some pasta that was out which was made from keen Wah, and maybe some some rice pasta, but other than that, there wasn't much of anything at all. Okay.

Scott Benner 18:13
Yeah, and now there's a ton of stuff, but it's expensive, right?

Unknown Speaker 18:18
Yeah,

Lindsay 18:18
there's a ton of stuff. And it's, it's pretty exciting. And I always tell people, like being celiac for so long now. It really makes food more exciting. If I find like a cupcake that I can eat or a really great bakery. It's just the most exciting day like, of the year so um, it that's that's definitely the positive but one of the negatives is yes, it is very expensive. I but when you when you don't have a choice, you just

Scott Benner 18:49
No, of course, I was wondering if you can't submit your your grocery bill to your health insurance company. That'd be interesting.

Lindsay 18:56
Yeah, that would be interesting. I we can as far as I know, and I think I do still do this. But we can write off gluten free foods from our tax taxes. But you know, your write offs are not super significant with that stuff.

Scott Benner 19:12
Yeah, yeah. write offs are more exciting to talk about than they are when you watch how they kind of come together in your tax situation. Like I did all this. I have this I have that. And then the guy comes back and he's he tells me he's like, Oh, yeah, it's good thing. You sent all this stuff in because it decreased your bill by and I'm like, that's not enough money. Like what do you

Unknown Speaker 19:31
know, it's like $100 there's

Scott Benner 19:34
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Lindsay 23:57
Absolutely, I did get accustomed to it. I did. It took me a little while to really get into a groove with what I like to eat and what I didn't like to eat. I mean, right now. There are so many options. So there's so many different choices for people, but a day's worth of food for me. Breakfast I often have like a piece of gluten free toast with almond butter. I eat eggs a lot. So eggs are gluten free. protein shakes, I found some protein that is it's vegan and gluten free and it doesn't upset my stomach. Lunch I eat I eat fruit IE yogurts. I'm also dairy free, so I'm just going to throw that out there. So all my yogurts are coconut and almond and non dairy. And I feel like I have a huge variety of foods that I choose from but I'm like not thinking of all of them right now. I mean, we eat a lot Lot of food in this house, so we're definitely not not eating.

Scott Benner 25:05
What happens like, Are you married?

Lindsay 25:08
Not yet, but hopefully soon. If he's listening from the other room, maybe we can take that as a hand. Oh,

Scott Benner 25:13
okay. Well, I mean, I can try What? What's his name?

Unknown Speaker 25:18
Brian,

Scott Benner 25:18
Brian, buy a ring. What are you doing? There you go, maybe? And but that's my question is the people that you you live with? Do they have to eat this way with you too? Or is it just impossible to not? Or is it? Do you just make two meals? How do you manage,

Lindsay 25:34
so he eats gluten free with me as well. We aren't a totally gluten free household. So he has his own bread, and English muffins, and he has his own beer. So some things are in the house that are not gluten free. But when I make a meal, and I do most of the cooking, I will just prepare gluten free meal. So he enjoys the pasta, he really can't tell the difference. desserts really the same thing. He'll eat everything. And he has no complaints about it. So it just makes it a little bit easier when you're when you're making full meals.

Scott Benner 26:11
you're cooking, and he hasn't bought a ring. That's all I heard. Just in case you're wondering. I would love for someone to cook for me honestly

Unknown Speaker 26:18
is a wonderful guy. I'm

Scott Benner 26:19
sure I just want somebody to cook for me is really what I'm saying. But here's what you get when you're cooking. as near as I can tell, no one knows how much effort goes into it. And if they don't like it, they're very quick to tell you. This wasn't very good. You like oh, well, it still took me three hours. So I really appreciate you saying that. It's seriously,

Unknown Speaker 26:40
it's not fair.

Scott Benner 26:41
Do you find yourself trying to approximate, quote unquote, food from before in a gluten way? In a non gluten way? Or like Like you said, you said there's a pasta that doesn't have gluten in it. But is there a way to just throw away? You know, modern eating? And like, What? How would you do that? Does that make sense?

Lindsay 27:04
I'm not sure I understand. You mean like, if we, if we just didn't have the pasta? Well, no,

Scott Benner 27:12
I guess what I'm saying is that there's a way people think about eating right. Like and you know, you'll say to someone, well, you can't have gluten anymore. And they're like, oh, and they start thinking no bread, no pasta, all these other things. But But is there a way to just walk away from them and go, I just don't eat bread anymore? I don't need a bread that doesn't have gluten in it? What would that look like? If you just walked away from modern foods, and went to things that didn't have gluten in it? Would you just be chewing on sticks and eating steaks or like you don't mean like, I'm trying to understand, like, I'm trying to really understand what a person would do. If they couldn't afford to buy what I'm assuming is a very expensive cupcake so that it actually tastes like a cupcake and doesn't have gluten in it.

Lindsay 27:52
Yeah, it's very true. That that is very expensive. The foods and especially the really well made, desserts and products are expensive. So it is unfortunate that there is a difference there. You know, if somebody was to really just totally eliminate any kind of gluten item, or were you know, trying to buy the gluten free items, you would have all natural and all things made from the earth basically vegetables, fruits, meats, chicken fish. Rice is a big one. I'm not sure you know, I think rice is is pretty easily attainable. But yeah, you would probably eat really, really well as long as you balance things out as much as possible.

Scott Benner 28:42
And just the way that we would consider like clean. Like right, no additives, it is what you see there. This is a This is rice, this is a steak there's nothing else that has been put into it or added there's no anything else to it. This is this is the basics like staples.

Lindsay 28:58
Absolutely, yeah. And it really would be a wonderful way to go about eating gluten free. In my opinion, I think you would really you probably feel better overall, as long as you're choosing the right veggies and fruits and you know, whatever works for you, especially with a type one. I think it would be it would be great. And a lot of people with celiac have kind of like rose colored glasses about the gluten free food. A lot of it is really not great for you. There are other things that have to be added to make it you know, soft and mushy and sweet and this and that. So just because it's gluten free doesn't mean that it is healthy. There are things that you can eat on occasion, but it's not. It's I don't think it's any better for you than the non gluten free option.

Scott Benner 29:52
So I brought that I'm glad you brought that up because when I was going through all the testing to figure out my iron issue the one time the doctor just says to me Look, you don't appear to have a gluten sensitivity at all. He does. But let's test it. I was like, Okay. And so he says, so for a month, eat gluten free. And I did. And I put on weight from the I went broke, I felt like and I put on weight is what is how I felt and didn't feel any differently? Because of course I I'm not, I don't have celiac. So it was, it was it was an interesting month of I didn't find it to be off putting, like there's some bread that's fantastically good that doesn't have gluten in it. Oh, yeah, I feel I figured that out. But then I started learning what you were talking about, which is there's just gluten things that you wouldn't, you don't expect and so but but anyway, it just I did, I gained, I gained a few pounds. And I was like, That's fascinating. Because in my mind, I thought, Oh, I'm eating healthier. Right? And in you just set it it's not necessarily the case. It's there's a lot of other things that are going in, I'm assuming that have calories in them to try to make flavor in different ways. Is that kind of the idea?

Lindsay 31:04
Absolutely. Yeah, I think I can't speak for every single product. But I think a lot of the gluten free products out there are probably more calorie dense than some of the non gluten free counterparts. I think that there's it's not so much bad stuff, but it's just more stuff. Potentially in some some products when people think they are actually doing better for themselves, which if they're eating gluten free they are but of course, you know, loading up on all sorts of different gluten free treats, if not better for you.

Scott Benner 31:34
Yeah, you're sort of trading one problem for another one.

Unknown Speaker 31:37
Exactly.

Unknown Speaker 31:38
Yeah. Okay.

Scott Benner 31:39
So what is this is one of my favorite words that I don't particularly understand fodmap What, what is what does that mean? When people say I'm gonna do like a low fodmap diet.

Lindsay 31:52
So a low fodmap diet, I don't have all of the words for each part of the fodmap acronym,

Scott Benner 31:59
or you talk

Unknown Speaker 32:01
to bowl,

Lindsay 32:02
Holy Ghost something. There are certain kinds of carbohydrate that just simply are not well broken down and digested also by the small intestine. So a lot of times this food and it's not it's other food like apples and, and different sweeteners, like I think xylitol is one brussel sprouts, all sorts of different foods. They they're not well broken down, and they end up kind of sitting in your intestinal tract. And they start to almost like ferment, which, of course, causes inflammation, bloating, gassiness, discomfort. And the when I was diagnosed celiac, that was one thing and then I ended up eliminating dairy. Several years later, which I was having some issues with. And then a few years after that, I kind of honed in with my gastro on this low fodmap diet. And once I did that, I felt amazing. And it's been quite some time now where I've been on this diet or I don't even like to call it a diet but following this lifestyle and I feel like 100%

Scott Benner 33:22
Okay, let me take a shot at this right. No one laughed at me. fodmap is an acronym for fermentable oligo die mono, sack chlorides and Polly OLS.

Unknown Speaker 33:40
Sounds right, does

Scott Benner 33:40
it that can't possibly be right. But they they are short chain carbohydrates that are poorly absorbed in the small intestine and prone to absorb water and ferment in the colon. I don't think we went anything fermenting in our colon ever. That's um, I'm gonna make that statement right here now.

Unknown Speaker 33:59
No, you don't.

Scott Benner 34:00
So make. So I'm trying to get a feeling for what what would be on a low fodmap diet.

Lindsay 34:10
So the things that I really eat a lot of broccoli, sweet potatoes, those are all low in fodmaps blueberries, raspberries non dairy foods are low fodmap so we drink almond milk in the house and any kind of non dairy

Unknown Speaker 34:32
you know, substance Yeah,

Lindsay 34:34
I'm brown rice, almond a peanut butter.

Unknown Speaker 34:40
Eggs.

Lindsay 34:41
Those are all low fodmap

Scott Benner 34:43
Okay, so I found one now that I'm looking at and it's funny we don't we buy milk that has no lactose in it just for because it seemed like the thing to do and nobody really drinks milk all that often here. But I like how this this this chart I found is It says avoid excess glucose, lactose, a bunch of different vegetables that I guess you wouldn't expect. asparagus, beet root broccoli, brussel sprouts, cabbage, eggplant, garlic, onions, shallots. those are those are avoids.

Lindsay 35:16
Yeah. So I eat broccoli with no problem, which is interesting. But yeah, the like tomatoes and onions. Avocados bother me. I think they're on the list as well.

Scott Benner 35:29
Did you just do what the kids call? What is that called when you're showing off but you're trying to act like you're not? Damn it? I can't think of it. I'm so not a kid. But you were just like I eat brussel sprouts. Like, like you were a superhero.

Unknown Speaker 35:43
I'm so cool. My broccoli over here. Oh,

Scott Benner 35:47
yeah, yeah, broccoli, no trouble here. I get knocked down like it's nothing. A lot of Polly the polyols apples, apricots, avocados. That's really interesting. But then the other side of it says you can enjoy and then it gives you a whole list of things like don't feel bad because you could have a mandarin. The Oh, that's really interesting. The vegetables are more bamboo shoots alfalfa, beet shoots. Celery, celery. Does anyone enjoy Sorry?

Unknown Speaker 36:18
Do you want to say that I

Lindsay 36:19
just said yesterday how much I love celery. And I'm sure everybody's gonna make fun of me for saying that.

Scott Benner 36:23
He loves celery. strong, strong second episode title right there. Oh, parsnips you can finally Hey, listen, everybody, you can finally learn what a parsnip is. Is this your time? Go on Facebook later and tell people about it. I know what a parsnip is. I'm low fodmap you'll make all kinds of friends. But the but the the real story here is that you say you feel amazing.

Lindsay 36:51
I do. Okay. Yeah, I do. I was really, I was really struggling with really the most thing. The biggest thing that I struggled with was the fodmap issue. And if I the one example I can think of is for years, I was having a protein shake after a workout or in the morning for breakfast, and I would put peanut butter and and blueberries and whatever almond milk in it. And it was a couple hours later, I would be just so uncomfortable. I would be so bloated. I'm just uncomfortable, gassy, bloated, whatever. So I was I spent a year trying to figure out what the heck it was. And it was the protein powder. It was the vegan protein powder was made from pea protein, which is I really think it's the most common vegan like plant based protein powder. The pea protein was killing me and I now know that and it's like eliminated so many issues. For me I use rice protein, which doesn't cause any kind of adverse reactions.

Scott Benner 38:01
No kidding. By the way, the thing I was trying to think of earlier humblebrag

Lindsay 38:07
Do you hear my Omni pod beeping in the background here?

Unknown Speaker 38:10
I do. Are you are you putting it on right now? No, I

Lindsay 38:13
had it. Oh, it's expiring. Here we go.

Scott Benner 38:19
That's that. tan tan tan tan like I'm getting up calm down.

Unknown Speaker 38:23
Yeah, relax.

Scott Benner 38:27
All right. Um, so you found a guy who's willing to do it with you not buy a ring, but he's willing to eat gluten free? That's nice. And and you feel 1,000,000%? Better? Talk about a little bit? What is it like to tell another person you're gluten free? Especially when it became chic for a while? Did people look at you sideways? Or do you just keep it yourself?

Lindsay 38:52
I felt that way. Yeah, I felt that people were getting a little judgy with me. Just because I always worry that people think I'm doing it just to kind of get attention or to stand out. And that's, that's not the case at all. I don't want that extra attention and care, like from, you know, random people or from anybody. So that was really my biggest concern, telling people initially, I'm kind of outgoing, so I don't really have a problem talking about it. The same thing with with type one. I really don't have any issues talking about it. But I always do wonder if people think I'm just like, exaggerating something or you know, being difficult

Scott Benner 39:34
right now. I mean, it did really become like she gets the word like everybody stopped eating. Like, I'm not going to eat gluten. I farted once I'm not going to eat gluten anymore. You know, like that kind of thing. And it's a common thing when I was looking earlier, it's there's more than 200,000 cases a year in the US which makes it a common element. But Wow, even when you say that, I mean think of you know, you heard a lot more than 200,000 people tell you they don't eat gluten. I mean More especially online where everybody's like, Oh, I don't eat gluten, I don't do that. And I'm not saying like you even. I mean, it seems to me that even if you don't have celiac not eating gluten might be a really, you know, healthy thing for you to do. Right? Just because, you know, isn't that interesting, like, what we're talking about here is a lot of foods that, you know, are very, and I don't know how to talk about this correctly, but, you know, processing wheat is, is a is not a thing we've been doing forever, you know, like crushing wheat and turning it into flour and processing foods in general, is still a more, you know, hundreds of years, you know, 1000s of years thing, not millions of years thing. And so, I mean, you're there's just a list here of things that, you know, you would eat if you were wandering around in America or somewhere else on the planet and trying to fend for yourself out of trees and bushes and things like that. Seriously. Right, you know, yeah. And then some brilliant guy comes along and figures out puff pastry, and now you know, you can't poop, right? It just, it's not fair.

Lindsay 41:05
It causes a whole bunch of problems. And who knows? A lot of people say that they do think and there's been studies showing that that could be considered part of the problem here. You know, personally speaking, I, I try and avoid as much processed food gluten free food as possible. But I also love to eat and I love to eat well. And and, you know, we it has to balance, it has to be a balance. But with with people going gluten free, just voluntarily. There's a lot of people that do it. And I think a lot of people do it, because they're also having issues. They're having digestive issues. They're bloated. They don't know what the heck is wrong. And hey, why not try it, see if it helps. And if it helps them, whatever it is good.

Scott Benner 42:00
Is that considered like a gluten sensitivity? If you don't have like, the full blown, you know?

Unknown Speaker 42:05
Yeah, like, yeah, so

Lindsay 42:07
gluten sensitivity would, as far as I understand, it would not be considered an autoimmune disease. But something's something's going on with your body just doesn't like the gluten protein. Yeah,

Scott Benner 42:19
so that. So that low fodmap way of eating could help with other like gastrointestinal problems, and like irritable bowel, bloating, stuff like that, like it could really address a lot of different issues.

Lindsay 42:31
Absolutely. A lot of people with IBS and Crohn's do follow the low fodmap diet. It as far as I've heard, it helps immensely with those issues.

Scott Benner 42:42
I gotta say anything that stops something from fermenting in my colon, I think is probably a good idea. I, I try really hard. This last year, I've been, I should say, trying hard and succeeding in not eating processed foods. So I just sort of made a blanket statement to myself, like, if it comes in a bag, or a box, I stay away from it. Even down to like, you know, different oils, like I won't, I won't use an olive oil that's heat pressed or processed. I only use cold pressed non processed olive oil to cook with. No, and it's made a difference I am since the beginning of the corona outbreak, and I've said it on here a couple of times. But you know, as as we were all like kind of getting like locked into our houses. I looked at myself in the mirror and I thought, yeah, this isn't gonna go well for you, you know, and you're gonna end bad Oh, my god. I'm like, I don't know if they'll be able to get me back out the door once they get me in the house. Right? And so I was like, I was like, What do I do? And all I did was I cut out certain oils. I only use cold pressed non processed oil that I do use, and I'm eating on a What do they call that? I it's weird that I'm doing it. And I say that to people all the time. And now when I need the word when I'm being recorded, I can't think of it but holy hell, Lindsey I only eat

Unknown Speaker 44:11
organic or it's

Scott Benner 44:13
about the timing. This is embarrassing. Um, I swear I'm actually doing it. What are they everyone listening right now is yelling if this is what it's called, idiot, I don't even do it. And I know what it is. Intermittent fasting, I eat on an intermittent fasting schedule. So I choose eight hours of the day, normally between 11 and seven or if I get pinched in the morning, like from noon to eight and I only eat in that timeframe. Okay, and so beyond taking out processed stuff, and only in that timeframe. I haven't changed anything and I might be close to 30 pounds down since the being a Corona then no,

Unknown Speaker 44:52
wow.

Scott Benner 44:53
not interesting and I'm not limiting myself during the eight hours.

Lindsay 44:56
Good for you. That's amazing.

Scott Benner 44:58
Yeah, I'm But as you're talking, and this whole series that I'm going to do here about different ways that people eat, I've just become very interested in it. Like someone had a Dorito the other day, and I looked at it, and I thought, there would have been a time in my life where I would have seen a Dorito and thought to myself, those things are so fake, and they taste like crap. And then I would have eaten a whole bag of them. And, and now somebody kind of like, held the bag towards me. I was like, Nah, I don't, I would, I just wouldn't eat that. Yeah, you know, it's a, it's an interesting way, you can watch your mindset, sort of, like change. And really, I think sugar is the last Hill for me, honestly, because I still, if I get some sugar in me, I turn into like, I'm like the sugar version of a heroin addict. I'm just like, someone's like, Oh, look, here's a little candy. And you're like, I'm a little candy. It tastes like cherries. And I put it in my mouth. And then I find myself wandering around the house going, where's that bag, a little candies that tastes like Yeah. Find that bag so that I can eat every one of those things and make them go away. So they stopped tormenting me. You know, it did turn into Gollum pretty quickly.

Lindsay 46:12
And that's like, it really is a lot of your mental status and your mental energy. You have to kind of change the way that you think. And once you round that corner, turn that corner with maybe not having sweet stuff every day, or whatever it is. You You change, and you once you start to feel better, then you you're like, wow, this is this is amazing.

Scott Benner 46:37
Yeah. What do you do for? Do you have a sweet tooth? Do you ever get a craving?

Lindsay 46:42
Occasionally, I always say that I think my sweet tooth is like, just very minimal because of type one. We never really have a ton of sweet stuff in my house when I was growing up. And when I was first diagnosed, it was always like just an occasional thing, holidays or whatnot. So I don't really have a sweet tooth. I have a I love salty foods. So it's the same premise. When you when you eat a lot of salt, or add salt, you start wanting more and needing more to taste. So that's something that I have to keep an eye on. Like you just can't get it like

Scott Benner 47:23
enough is never enough,

Lindsay 47:25
right? You just have like popcorn, I could just put salt on the popcorn like crazy. And it would just it and then you feel terrible because you're like all bloated.

Scott Benner 47:35
And you have to keep escalating to get the same high out of the salt. At some point. You're just gonna start licking the salt shaker and then throwing the popcorn into your mouth. Exactly. Yeah. Yeah, I have a comparison that I'm not gonna make here. But actually, I'm gonna make it and then I'll bleep it out for you. But it's like, right, like, you start. You start with like, Oh, this is nice. The two of them seem to like each other. And then by the end, you're like, Can someone get it? done here? And this just isn't doing it for me anymore.

Unknown Speaker 48:02
It just totally goes off the rails. Yeah,

Scott Benner 48:04
yeah. Lindsey Wait, oh, you hear that played back all bleeped out. And you can't figure out what we're talking about. Only you are gonna get to laugh. Isn't that nice?

Unknown Speaker 48:11
I'm honored.

Unknown Speaker 48:12
I cannot wait.

Scott Benner 48:15
Oh, my God, anyway. Okay, so yeah, I think that I think that what I'm learning and what kind of drove me towards because I have to say like, if you do listen to the podcast, I, I really believe that anybody can do whatever they want. And it's possible that one of you out there is doing something that's really unhealthy for you. But that's your decision. I have no business making that decision for you. I just want you to understand how to manage your insulin while you're making the decisions. You're eating about food. That that's really my, like entire goal about the podcast, right? Yes. But I am becoming more interested in letting people describe the different ways that they eat. Because I realized that there's huge segments of people who are going to eat gluten free and the you know, some people are going to do intermittent fasting, and some people are going to do you know, other ideas. And so I've tried to line up a lot of people, I've had a lot of success years as the first one I'm recording but but I want people to come on and talk about their different, you know, food eating styles, and I don't think of them as diets, really just ways of ways of eating that, that end up being beneficial to you. And, you know, that's it. I just, I mean, it could not have been fun the 10 years you spent, you know, struggling like that. And it's really amazing that you found something that works for you. So I guess like spend a little bit of time here and tell me Is there any impact on your type one before you went gluten free and after?

Lindsay 49:52
Not that I can remember. I don't remember having any adverse reactions before I was diagnosed. Before I was gluten free, compared to after, although I was I was younger and it was quite some time ago, but nothing really stands out to me in great detail. I was diagnosed when I was six and I was doing injections for gosh up until about 2007 when I started on the Omnipod Okay, and I I've always been pretty on top of the diabetes Of course every day is different and a challenge but my parents I'm an only child and my parents really took a lot of time with me when I was little to get me on the right track and make sure I understood how things are important or you know how to handle different things and

Scott Benner 50:49
whatnot. So if even though you were bloated and uncomfortable and and making it what I mismatching is just horrible poops. It's just your your blood sugar control didn't suffer it within that situation.

Lindsay 51:03
No, not that I can remember. Nothing that would would have been really directly related to the celiac being undiagnosed.

Scott Benner 51:11
Okay. Hey, listen, now that you're not gluten free. Do you ever stand out from the toilet? Look in there and go, Oh, my God, that thing is perfect.

Unknown Speaker 51:20
No, you've never thought that like I make the greatest. Now like you've never had that thought.

Unknown Speaker 51:27
Although, you know,

Lindsay 51:28
I'm sure I know. I know people do that. And hey, I am not judging you. You should be proud of what you

Scott Benner 51:35
do. I think people should stand up and celebrate and be like, my God, look at that thing. perfect size and shape. came right out.

Unknown Speaker 51:42
healthy.

Scott Benner 51:42
I'm so healthy. My daughter has a friend Sanchez she calls. She goes, she'll say Mr. Benner did you? Do you have a ghost? And I'm like, What? And she goes a ghost. You know, when you don't really have the wife? I was like, wait, that's what that is.

Unknown Speaker 51:58
That's a great name. It's like, Is that an internet

Scott Benner 51:59
thing? Or did you make that up? You're still wiping though, right? And she goes, Oh, yeah. But you know what I mean? I think I do. Yeah, so awesome. I think I do. It's funny that girls vegan, but, but it's interesting, because some of the way she gets the vegan are less than healthy. And if you made me think of her earlier, when you were talking like, you know, you can eat a cupcake and say, you know, like this wrapped in a piece of plastic that you bought in the grocery aisle that you know, could live through a nuclear war and go vegan. Yeah, yeah. It's very interesting. We're gonna dig into all that. Okay, so run me through a day. You get up in the morning, what do you for breakfast.

Lindsay 52:45
So most common breakfast would be a piece of gluten free toast with almond butter or organic peanut butter. Okay. Sometimes I put some blueberries on top of it. And that's really going to be dependent on what my sugar is. What I'm doing afterwards, so that's really what I eat most mornings. Other mornings, I'll have like, eggs and maybe a piece of toast or I love siracha on my eggs, so that's definitely one of my favorites. Okay.

Unknown Speaker 53:18
And then do I'm gonna go through the whole

Scott Benner 53:20
Yeah, like, do you snack mid afternoon? Do you have lunch? Like what happens next?

Lindsay 53:24
Yeah, so um, I usually eat three square meals a day with some snacks mixed in depending on my work schedule, and depending on my sugar, obviously, I'm lunch a lot of times is a protein shake. So we'll have a protein shake with a little bit of dairy free yogurt and a little bit of frozen fruit and some peanut butter. So that that's, that's launched and that's probably I think that's about between 30 and 35 carbs depending on the fruit and a dinner. I mean, we could go crazy. We had sushi last night. We love steak. We love chicken barbeque chicken, sweet potatoes, mashed sweet potatoes

Scott Benner 54:11
sweet potatoes sweet potatoes all rotten without Of course any cheese or milk or anything like that.

Unknown Speaker 54:19
Yeah, you and you

Lindsay 54:20
can make all of those like really good, yummy foods gluten and dairy free. It just may take a little bit more time and energy but yeah, broccoli, salmon, fish, shrimp, crab legs, we

Unknown Speaker 54:34
we love it do all that stuff. I

Lindsay 54:37
do usually have dessert. And of course, again, it's going to be dependent on my sugar and how late it is and a bunch of other things. Did I work out that day? But we'll have how Gosh, I don't even know. A little bit of a gluten free brownie or part of a cupcake or something like that.

Scott Benner 54:57
Yeah. Hey, listen. You remember when we used to go to the movies? What did you get? When you went to the movies, did you bring something with you? Ah,

Lindsay 55:03
that's a really good question. I usually just get popcorn. Oh,

Scott Benner 55:07
because you didn't have that? Yeah, no problem. Got it. You're not do you find yourself smuggling food into places ever?

Unknown Speaker 55:15
Um,

Lindsay 55:16
I do, I have at times, and in the past, it's actually more so been for dinner purposes. So if we go out to eat, and I want to have some kind of pasta dish, I'd bring my own pasta. But there would have to be a conversation there with with the restaurant or with the cook about using a different pot and making sure they're cooking it in a in a separate pot of water, basically, because a lot of restaurants, they'll just cook all their pasta in the same pasta water. And that obviously would not work for someone with celiac. So

Scott Benner 55:54
because all that everyone can imagine making pasta and there's that, like thickness that that happens in the water. That is I guess the gluten, right?

Lindsay 56:02
Yeah, that's the starch that that comes off of that pasta noodle. And that's a whole other thing. I mean, eating out, there's a risk of cross contamination. Always try and let them know. And of course, you know, a lot of places are just more aware of these things right now. But you have to be super careful. And I'm not going to drive myself absolutely crazy. I'm not going to go in and inspect the kitchen and you know, demand all these crazy things. But you have to really be mindful. And you do have to hopefully trust that these people are doing the right thing.

Scott Benner 56:37
Yeah. Is it? Is it one of those things where you can just tell like an hour later, you're just I don't know, let's say farting in the car and you think to yourself, there's no way they wash that pot?

Unknown Speaker 56:47
Yeah, you'll

Lindsay 56:48
know, you'll just just I really wish I thought about this prior to talking to you. Because I really don't know how else to say it other than just being really uncomfortable. Especially as a woman, you know, if you're going out to dinner, and you're with your boyfriend or your friends and you're in a dress and heels or whatever, and you eat something that you shouldn't have, you're just like, super uncomfortable you want to do is just rip your clothes off and get in your PJs and go to bed.

Scott Benner 57:16
What that makes me ask someone to ask you, what's it like to have sort of a gluten issue on top of your period?

Lindsay 57:24
Um, for me personally, I wouldn't really consider it any different than Okay, guess what it should be? Yeah, I don't think there's any any change. There's only

Scott Benner 57:35
there's only so much bloating and uncomfortableness the body can make, I guess.

Lindsay 57:39
Yeah, there's a Yeah, there's a limit there. You know, I try my best to, for me, exercising is what? What eliminates that stuff? Even if I'm super uncomfortable, I try and just keep moving and keep drinking water. And those two things for me seem to help eliminate a lot of those issues. Yeah.

Scott Benner 58:01
Is there any other physical symptoms? Like I don't know, I'm making things up. But joint pain headaches, or does any of that? Or is it all just pretty much stay in your belly and your digestive tract?

Lindsay 58:13
Yeah, there's a whole there's a plethora of other symptoms that people have. Occasionally through my life, I have gotten them. I of course, I wouldn't know 100% if they were celiac related, or if I had eaten gluten at the time, but the most common other symptoms for celiac would be the joint pain. Absolutely, like an arthritic feeling. People start losing hair. People get dizzy and have blurred vision. And there's also a type of dermatitis like a skin rash that would be caused directly caused by gluten so people do break out and rashes and all sorts of different things. I'm on a bunch of different Facebook forums for celiac and celiac type ones. And I see people asking about all sorts of different things you would never even think of.

Scott Benner 59:09
Well, I'm going to ask you this because I'm in the middle of trying to help Arden with something if I said to you, it feels like your bones are bruised. Is that a feeling you've ever had?

Lindsay 59:18
Yeah, yeah, really? Okay. Absolutely. Or maybe for somebody who, who goes out and likes to party maybe feeling a hangover. I think that's another good comparison. Just just exhausted. Terrible. watery eyes. headache. achy kind of just

Scott Benner 59:37
flew like can't get rested. Yeah, Max deafness. muscles are no,

Lindsay 59:44
I'm not so much for me. But absolutely, I've heard it from all these different patients present with all these different symptoms that seem kind of far out there. But I do think that they are all related to celiac if I'm diagnosed

Scott Benner 59:58
as part of me that thinks I should just put are not an IV drip for a month and the letter stop eating, take her back to like zero and start over again. That did you have to do an elimination diet at first it just cut everything out.

Lindsay 1:00:13
We did our best to just cut everything out. I don't remember. I remember having the conversations with my parents, I remember them going through all of these different foods that we were going to eliminate and that we were going to keep. And I don't remember, like throwing out the kitchen at that time. And you know, starting from zero, but I know that that's what pretty much what we had to do.

Scott Benner 1:00:37
Okay. That's interesting. It really is. I appreciate you talking about this. It's obviously personal. But you were really excited to help and I kind of put the call out I and I appreciate that very much. It's something I just don't understand.

Lindsay 1:00:52
I was just gonna say I'm, I love the podcast, I am somewhat new to it. I think it's been a couple months actually, maybe since Corona started. And being a diabetic for 27 years, it has changed so much of the way that I think about things because you do and I know you've discussed this before you do fall into certain patterns and and just you get complacent with with things sometimes. And it really you've you've helped me, so I'm happy to chat here with you.

Scott Benner 1:01:22
It's very nice. I was wondering if we were going to take a couple minutes to talk about how terrific I was. And this is really a good time for it.

Lindsay 1:01:29
Yeah, you've you've been great. I really do appreciate.

Scott Benner 1:01:32
Yeah, I'm kidding. But thank you. And I'm glad. I'm glad I have to say I'm kidding. For the five people who are like don't understand sarcasm, and they're right now running to like a review somewhere. No, this guy is so full of himself. And he just said that he's great. And I'm like, all right, I gotta get out to the east coast once in a while talk to other people. Lindsey knows she's from right around here. We could probably have done this in person, I'm guessing.

Unknown Speaker 1:01:57
Yeah, yeah, absolutely. Yeah.

Scott Benner 1:02:00
Well, I'm really thrilled that the podcast has been helpful for you. And, and the complacency is something that I find in my own life all the time, where you just sort of you get that drift off, and you're like, Oh, it's only 160? Yeah, fine. You know, and then before you know it, it's three weeks later, and you know, you've got some app that tells you you're a one C, you know is gone up, you know, a half a point, and you're you know, your variability is growing and your standard deviation is getting bigger. And you just think well, what should I do? And you're looking at, I just probably need some more basil here, and then you're done. And it's, you know, something that's, it's pretty easy, just hard to see in the moment. You know, it's one of those. It's one of the macro things where you have to step back and see the whole thing and get out of this minute, two minute, you know, fight that you're in and start thinking about the whole war, I guess, for the

Lindsay 1:02:46
Absolutely, yeah, and I think a lot of it is just really how you're how the human brain handles things. You start something and it's kind of working and you go with it. And then it just continues and maybe it gets worse, and nothing, you can always do better. And that's definitely been brought to light.

Scott Benner 1:03:06
Well, how else right? Could you could you put yourself in a situation where you know that having a slice of pizza is gonna send you into like stomach cramps, and you know, two hours in the bathroom and still the next time you see a pizza, just go Alright, let's do it again. You know, start feeling like Well, I guess this is how my life is. And yeah, I guess it doesn't need to be. Especially if you have beet shoots.

Lindsay 1:03:29
I mean, I there's no comparison.

Scott Benner 1:03:31
If I opened your refrigerator, would I just be like, I don't recognize any of these foods.

Lindsay 1:03:36
No, no, you would you would be I'm sure you'd be fine.

Unknown Speaker 1:03:42
This has a face. What is this?

Unknown Speaker 1:03:45
What is this?

Scott Benner 1:03:47
Oh my gosh, well, I use very nice that your I guess I was gonna say fiance but obviously not your, your, your guy friend, which I'm assuming is what your mom calls them. That boy, it's very nice that he's doing it with you, you know, as much as he can, like, Yeah, I know. You said he has separate foods that are his but but it's it's very cool. And I think that it's um, it's just to have support around this sort of thing. I don't think can probably be undervalued because you probably feel like you probably felt already pretty alone with diabetes, then add this and am I wrong? Or

Lindsay 1:04:25
you're you're right. The support in any situation, diabetes, celiac or anything in life is really just so important. And even not just with him but with with his family and his parents and, and our friends. All of our friends are they know and they're mindful. So it's just nice to know that people it's nice to know when people think about you and maybe go out of their way to get you something or you know, make dinner a little bit more special for you and it doesn't It's just It's lovely.

Scott Benner 1:05:01
Yeah, no, I can see that. Hey, are there people who do a better job with gluten free foods than others? Like you? Sometimes he didn't just like, does your tongue just come out of your mouth and just let it fall out of your mouth thinking like, Okay, this is terrible. Or, like, where do you find a gluten free bakery? I guess I'm saying like, where do you? How did you crack them, there's

Lindsay 1:05:22
a there's a few. There's, there's actually several in New Jersey. There are there's one down south, it's about an hour and a half from me. And there are several up kind of close to the city. And of course, there's a whole bunch of places in the city. So you, I've just found them through talking to people and Facebook. And it's amazing. I mean, I, I will drive an hour and a half, actually, I, I've run a marathon. And after the marathon was on, I had my mom waiting there with a cinnamon bun. But prior to that, we drove an hour and a half just to get a couple of cinnamon buns for the end of the race, because it's just such an exciting venture to have like this gooey, icing covered cinnamon roll.

Scott Benner 1:06:13
See when you simplify your life, small things can be very exciting. And and that's true. That's really cool. Do you see yourself having a breakdown ever? Or do you think this is something you can just easily do your whole life,

Lindsay 1:06:26
it's something that I will do my whole life. I won't ever voluntarily break down and eat something that's not gluten free. Especially now, I am 33. And we you know, not right away. But we would like to have a baby one day and I definitely don't want to jeopardize my health in any way. So this is gonna be this. Is

Scott Benner 1:06:51
it good for you? Well, I think it's interesting to hear you speak and I'm hoping that other people coming on are gonna kind of follow similarly, that you're not a zealot or a lunatic. And you know, because I think I think there are some people could could easily think Oh, you don't eat gluten, this must be a, you know, just a raving loon, you know, and then, yeah, and you're just clearly a very normal, nice person. So

Unknown Speaker 1:07:14
thank you. Yeah,

Scott Benner 1:07:15
that's it. Yeah. Well, you're from Jersey. How could you be a bad person? This is true. By the way. Are you from here? because no one's really from here. Are they?

Unknown Speaker 1:07:22
Oh, I'm from here.

Scott Benner 1:07:22
Oh, I didn't think I was born in New Jersey. I thought we just all ended up here somehow.

Lindsay 1:07:28
We just got lost and ended up here.

Scott Benner 1:07:30
Yeah. Well, I always just think it's a job. You know, like, you get a job and you move to New Jersey or you don't want to live in the city. So you're going to commute? Yeah, I just thought of this as like a holding place for other people. But

Unknown Speaker 1:07:42
yeah, yeah. But I guess no, my

Scott Benner 1:07:43
kids are born in New Jersey. So they're from here. You know, yeah. gotta live with that shame. Now.

Unknown Speaker 1:07:51
It's a good thing.

Scott Benner 1:07:52
No, I actually like it here a lot. I don't I don't. I don't have any trouble with the jersey whatsoever.

Unknown Speaker 1:07:59
No, absolutely not.

Scott Benner 1:08:01
We have pharmaceutical companies and banks. And those circles to make left turns with we have all kinds of stuff.

Lindsay 1:08:08
Oh, yeah. Well, yeah, all of our roles and driving habits are like, first foreign to the rest of the country. Yeah.

Scott Benner 1:08:16
And what about those beaches where the water doesn't get warm? That's lovely. Did we not say anything that you are going to like five seconds from now? When I say goodbye, go, Oh, my God, how did I not say this? Or do you think we did a good job of explaining it to people?

Lindsay 1:08:33
Um, actually, yeah, there was one thing that I did want to want to discuss real quick was that when I was diagnosed, and when I was diagnosed with diabetes, and I know we are you're the podcast has discussed this before. I had chickenpox prior to the type one diagnosis. And the doctors all thought that that was related. When I was diagnosed with celiac, I had been in a stressful kind of life changing and not necessarily negative stress, but a very stressful long term situation. And all of my doctors also felt that that stress did kind of bring out the celiac, it, you know, your immune system was maybe a little bit compromised, and something just clicked and that's how it happened. So I've read that a lot. My doctors have also kind of agreed with that. And I think that's something to just know that that a lot of people say if you're sick, or if you're under a lot of pressure or stress. That may be the cause of some of these things are not the cause but what actually brings it

Scott Benner 1:09:42
out. Yeah, so everyone sit in the middle of a dark room and hum to yourself for the rest of your life. That's it.

Unknown Speaker 1:09:47
Yeah, just just don't do anything.

Scott Benner 1:09:49
No more interacting. Turn the news off to by the way. Oh, please. Yeah, that's it. It is interesting because as we've been working with Arden and she's getting more frequent blood draws is she trying to figure stuff out every once in a while, like her, like, you know, it's like a every No, it's not like on any schedule, but like, you'll see her white blood cells pop up like she's fighting some sort of an infection or something like that. But you don't you don't see it in her in her life like you don't you wouldn't look at her and go, Oh, she's sick right now, or something like that. But she'll have these white blood cells that indicate an infection fight. And then the next time she has the blood draws, everything's perfect again, right. And it's just interesting, you don't know what your body's going through. And, and the way I like to think about food is this, and I'll leave, I'll leave everyone with us. And I'm certainly not the gold standard for this idea. But I'm trying to be just because your body can process it doesn't mean you should eat it. Right? Just because it goes in your mouth and comes out the other side and you're still alive when it's over doesn't make it a good idea. Not all the time. So I'm trying to figure out what those things are for me, and I think everyone should be doing their best to consider what those things are for them.

Lindsay 1:11:01
I agree. I think that's a great way to think

Scott Benner 1:11:03
yeah, go I really appreciate you doing this. Would you hold on for one second, and thank you.

A huge thank you to Lindsay for coming on the show and sharing all that she knows about type one diabetes and celiac disease. Thanks also to Dexcom, makers of the G six continuous glucose monitor and on the pod makers of the Omni pod tubeless insulin pump. I also want to thank touched by type one, you'll be able to find all the sponsors at Juicebox Podcast comm or in the show notes of your podcast player. But if you want Dexcom it's dexcom.com forward slash Juicebox. Podcast my omnipod.com forward slash juicebox and touched by type one.org

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#405 How We Eat: Plant Based

November 11, 2020Scott Benner

Type 1 Diabetes and Plant Based Eating

Matt is a type 1 who eats a plant based diet for strictly health reasons.

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Scott Benner 0:11
Hello, friends, and welcome to Episode 405 of the Juicebox Podcast today, another in the how we eat series, this time with Matt, a type one who eats a plant based diet. This is the third in the series. It's a new series, we're just getting it off the ground. So far on episode 373 we had a vegan Episode 400 Dr. Paul Saladino came on and talked about carnivore eating, even though he doesn't have type one, he was a good source of information about that style of eating. Today, Matt, who's plant based, but not for any moral reasons. And there are many more coming but I'd like to add your story to the show. If you have a specific particular or interesting way that you eat, and you have type one diabetes, I'd love for you to come on the show and tell people about it. Please remember, while you're listening that nothing you hear on the Juicebox Podcast should be considered advice, medical or otherwise, always consult a physician before making any changes to your health care plan, or trying a garbanzo bean.

This show is sponsored today by the glucagon that my daughter carries g Vogue hypo pen, Find out more at G Volk glucagon.com Ford slash juice box. And to learn more about the blood glucose meter that Arden uses, all you have to do is go to Contour Next one.com Ford slash juice box there you're going to learn all about the Contour Next One blood glucose meter, the apps that are paired with it for Android and iPhone, if you wish to have those apps, you don't have to have them to use this great meter, and so much more Contour Next one.com forward slash juice box. And don't forget to add your name to the T one D registry T one d exchange.org Ford slash juicebox. There are links right there in the show notes of your podcast player. And at Juicebox podcast.com. If you can't remember what I just said,

Matt Fouse 2:21
my name is Matthew Fouse. I have been diabetic since age five, which is 31 years. Well,

Unknown Speaker 2:32
a lot of time.

Matt Fouse 2:35
Absolutely. And I'm still continued to be amazed at the advancements. When I was five, I was on humulin n and she Mulan are right. Which when I look back now I'm just like, how am I still alive?

Scott Benner 2:58
Well, it was it was processed. Right? It was you put that in and eat at certain times? And is that how it went?

Matt Fouse 3:04
Absolutely. I remember when I started school because when I was diagnosed, it was a little before kindergarten and snack time and lunchtime had to be perfect. Otherwise, you would run low. And it just continued. I'm, I'm amazed like at the advancements now with like, I'm on fee offs. And Heck, I can forget the Bolus sometimes and I'm still okay. You know,

Scott Benner 3:35
you know what, I'm interested in that because this might be where I end up saying this is we tried fiasco, however, they said, For Arden and she's in the middle of it now meaning she's maybe a violin a quarter into it. And she as soon as we put it on her, she's like, hey, this thing's when your ball is saying. And I was like, Alright, and then she started using the word burns. And I was like, oh, now here's the problem. I'm actually better their blood sugar than I was before, which without being immodest. Not saying something. And and so, so I got better at it. But we're, you know, I gotta say, five or six pods into it. And she says that the sites are sore, they feel bruised. It always things when it goes in. I don't I think we're gonna have to bail on it if it doesn't abate but did you have any of that in the beginning?

Matt Fouse 4:26
The four fiaz I was on novolog. And my endocrinologist was like, why don't you give us a chance. And I did. And I actually did notice little slight stings. And recently, I'm on Omni pod. And I'm looping with Dexcom.

Scott Benner 4:47
I noticed my sights for the pods. were reacting and I'm wondering, I've tried every type of adhesive barrier. Yeah, and I'm wondering if it is a reaction with The I'm not ready to bail yet because of how amazing it is with my sugars. So it's like, Do I want my skin to break out and itch my skin off? Or do I want good sugars and that's something I am glad Arden's not having a, like a dermatology reaction I really am. But at the same time like she was laying on the floor last night, she likes to have her back cracked. And so she's like, Don't touch my thigh, my thigh is sore. And the pods only been on for like a day. And that is not something that happened at all with a pager. And it's not like we were bad at a pager. But your point about the fiasco is, is correct in that there's been twice now since we've been using it. Where one time it was just like a pod change at a really awkward time. So there was a new pod on going into a restaurant, handmade potato chips, and a Belgian waffle with real syrup. And like blood sugar only went to like 165 and it was you know, I think that was the the insulin now could I have done the same thing by just using more a pager? I think I could have and I'm not going to torture her. Like you know, some people have said the stinging comes in about a month that goes away. If she doesn't see it dwindling, we're gonna have to go back and it's not like a head down thing, I think Peters really great. But yeah, it was worth a try. And we weren't trying, by the way, I guess I should say here before we get into why you're here. We didn't switch from a Piedra and try fi s because of a pager being a problem. We were just trying to see, like, we're like, finally picking through Arden's health, like, Is there a filler in a pager that doesn't exist in fiasco? And would a muscle pain or an ache change or something like that? So it's just a lot of, you know,

Matt Fouse 6:46
yeah, you're you always want to advance and even fine tune things, you know, find the you, you want to live your best life, human human nature so you can fill in and you know, better your diabetes management. Well, number one, you'd

Scott Benner 7:02
like me to supplement, right? And he's like, I need to take a sorbic acid, right? And you buy one brand, try a different brand to like maybe this brands not as good as that one or vice versa. But you know, it's you just can't do one thing and stop. So anyway, I don't think it's gonna last much longer. But I'm glad it works for you. And I do agree with you. For the people that I hear it works for they all say what you say, which is it just it seems to act more quickly. And she definitely has not had as many. And again, it's not to say she had a ton of them. But you know, tail and lows like hours after a meal. They don't seem to exist, even at all, which I guess what's leading to more stability through the, through the 24 hours.

Matt Fouse 7:42
Yeah, the the like, if I forget the Pre-Bolus, which, you know, I'm human, and I don't eat on a perfect schedule because it's life. I have a kindergartener right now upstairs doing virtual learning. Yeah, wife is 39 Weeks Pregnant doing online doctor's visit, like I cannot eat exactly on time. So sometimes you forget and with the fee off, it's bam, it's it's right there on for me.

Scott Benner 8:12
I'm sorry. This is gonna be our first detour. You're missing your wife's ob appointment to be on this podcast. That's my first one. Secondly, and I don't mean to be indelicate, but what if she like hopped up on a desk and open her legs in front of the laptop? Or how does that work? Exactly.

Matt Fouse 8:29
So So that part happens last week, the in person visits. With the pandemic going on. That was the first appointment I was allowed to go to. So I got to see the baby for the first time on the sonogram. God, this is actually an appointment for the unborn baby with the pediatrician of like, hey, it's in here. It's coming out you're gonna see it sometimes.

Scott Benner 9:00
Has that been? Well, first of all, I'm glad to hear your wife is not an unwitting partner in a webcam scam. And imagine the baby comes you get the hospital the guy's not there. And they're like, Where's Dr. Philips now? Like, there's no Dr. Philips. But But uh, but so when did she get pregnant? 39 weeks.

Matt Fouse 9:22
So it is not a coronial as I like to call them it is not a coronavirus, baby. It was two weeks previous to when the world shut down. She knew she was pregnant. Okay. So everybody, you know, plays a joke. Well, I know what you guys were doing during the pandemic? No, it was before the pandemic.

Scott Benner 9:43
I hope you're still doing that. But at the same point, I understand. You don't want your child wandering around their whole life going. I only exist because my parents were bored and locked in the same house. Absolutely. I hate to break it to those kids. But that's pretty much why we're all here but nevertheless, nevertheless, yes.

Unknown Speaker 9:58
100% Yeah,

Scott Benner 10:00
well, that's good. And it hasn't been a problem for to do. Like virtually often than in person. It's all worked out. Obviously, she's healthy. And she's doing well, right.

Matt Fouse 10:09
She is amazing. Yeah. Both my daughter and my wife are taking this, like, absolutely the best possible case they could. My daughter is in kindergarten, and she loves it. She is attentive on the virtual learning. And my wife is a nurse and still working. She's, she's a trooper. And she's going to continue. I mean, she might flop it out, you know, taking care of a patient who knows?

Scott Benner 10:45
Well, I always imagined I saw my wife work straight through both of her pregnancies. And in the second one with art, and she, she got home one day, and she said, I was I couldn't move quickly, she was in Manhattan. And she's like, I couldn't move quickly enough to get to the subway in time. So I was late to get on the train. So there were no seats. She's like, I tried to stand but I couldn't. So she sat on the floor for an entire like, like train ride, you know? And, and she's like, no one would give me a seat. I'm so pregnant, and she still kept going. And I think that she showed that determination because she thought, if we leave it just up to that guy to make money for us, we're gonna be in trouble. I I really took more of a shot at me than anything else. But uh,

Matt Fouse 11:29
well, I as well, um, uh, you know, yeah, I'm the basic majority caregiver, I want to say so. God bless the women in our lives.

Scott Benner 11:45
Great. Hawaii has morphed over the last couple of decades. I was a stay at home dad. And when I and that's what they called it. And I was happy to say that. And now you're basically the primary caregiver

Matt Fouse 11:58
changes. I did not like the term sad.

Scott Benner 12:03
The acronym didn't work. That's so funny. I'll tell you back then, when I was when I wrote my book and stuff around Father's Day, I was like, the most popular person in the world because there were very few guys that were would say out loud, this is what I do. And, you know, and had any media contact at all. So I would, I was very popular in June, my mom told me one day she woke up and I was on the front page of her local newspaper. And, and she, she was like, I didn't tell her it was gonna happen. But I also did not expect it to be on the front of the of the section, you know. Now, now, as I'm telling you wondering if people understand that newspapers had sections, but anyway, I was on vacation already. And she called me and she's like, you're on the front page, like the lifestyle section of my newspaper. And I was like, I told him I'm, I'm very famous. so silly. Anyway, so alright, so you have a kindergarten, garden aged child, a wife is obviously a more of a go getter than you are and your cell. You have type one diabetes, is there any other endocrine issues in the family?

Matt Fouse 13:12
I have an older sister who is five years older than me, and she is type one diabetic as well. She got it first, when we were growing up. I so I would have been three, when she got it. Our we grew up in a very small town, in rural Pennsylvania. So endocrinologist, we didn't know they existed. So we had a family practitioner. He was amazing. He kept up to date the best that he could with what he had, where we were. Yeah. And he said, There is no way I would get it. There is absolutely, if I would get it, it would be like getting struck by lightning 10 times. And I got the telltale symptoms. My mom knew it. She still tells a story today of I knew you had it. I didn't want to pack the bags and take you to the hospital. Because then it would be known and I did not want to do it. But here I am my sister and I siblings who I was supposed to not get it and I got it.

Scott Benner 14:25
My mom wasn't supposed to get pregnant, but I have two brothers. So it's funny how doctrine used to work. Like my mother was actually told, you know, it's safe to go ahead and adopt your you know, and you're not going to have children. So they adopt me, and then afterwards, like you don't need to use birth control. And it proved out for a long time. My brothers and I are all five years apart, like like a solid five years apart. So even when my brother Brian was born, they were like, well, that's a fluke. That'll never happen again, which was not good advice because now my mom at you know, 78 years old has a senator in his 30s because she was all like, I can't get pregnant doesn't matter. Wow. Yeah. But But imagine that was actual advice like, oh, can't happen to the second one. He was probably just playing the odds and trying to make your mom feel better. And back. Yeah, backfired on

Matt Fouse 15:17
Yep. Well, so now I'm crossing my fingers, my endocrinologist. I'm very good, like personal friends with him. He said, statistically, with my daughter. It's pretty low. I think he said, 11%. And I'm just like, every time she gets Moody, because she's going through a growth spurt, or, you know, she's like, No, I don't want to do that. I'm like, Oh, she's got diabetes. That's it may check her books or mood change every time she takes a sip of water. Oh, honey, she's got diabetes, we got to check her sugar. So just, I'm crossing my fingers. I mean, it wouldn't be the end of the world. I'm still here, but it is in the blood in the jeans is gonna say

Scott Benner 15:55
it's working out for you and your sister. Right? So okay, so you're on the show, Matt, because you you responded when I said I want to talk to people who eat in specific in different ways. And which way do you eat?

Matt Fouse 16:10
I am plant based. Okay, wait, which I consider basically, the vegan eating. I don't eat dairy meat. But I hate vegans. I will not call myself a vegan. I do not like,

Scott Benner 16:29
let's not make all the vegans upset. But Okay. Here's what we see. Let me make sure I let me pick through some ideas. You would need an egg? No. Okay. Is this a dietary decision? Or is it a moral decision? Or is it somewhere in the middle?

Matt Fouse 16:45
There is no morals in my decision whatsoever.

Scott Benner 16:49
Are any morals in any of your decisions? Man? No,

Matt Fouse 16:52
I, um, I still hunt. I deer hunt. Um, you know, I fish? I just don't eat it.

Scott Benner 17:02
I just give it to a friend to do that. So that's super interesting. So your whole life recently? How did you make it to this?

Matt Fouse 17:10
About 15 years ago, I was a marathon runner. Free kids bachelor days when I had five hours to do training runs. And I adapted the vegetarian diet. And I noticed with my training that my healing and my any inflammation from stress was significantly less. And then I went back to eating normal food, you know, dairy in me. And then about two years ago, my wife started having issues with eating dairy. So as a household it's much easier to just eat drink oat milk, versus

Scott Benner 18:05
Yeah, no one of you got this card and then everybody's on this one, right?

Matt Fouse 18:09
Yeah, switch. So I cut dairy out and I started feeling really good. Like I still exercise daily, I run just not 20 miles at a time, right. I weight train. I'm a competitive axe thrower, so I'm fairly active. And I noticed like my joints you know, stop. They're not sore. So then I cut meat out again. And it's just been working for me. It I like the way I feel I feel like my mind is clearer. My thinking just kind of like Spry. I guess it's okay energy.

Scott Benner 18:57
Is there um, where are you a sugar Do you eat sugar?

Matt Fouse 19:02
I do so a lot of the plant base as they will label the food now it's like I feel like it's the new craze plant based plant based plant base. A lot of those can be sugary. So I do I eat sugar. And the plant based diet for me is very grain heavy. So when I initially started eating that way full time I was worried about my sugars, you know, because grain whole wheat spaghetti it can be a nightmare. Yeah, as we all know, with spiking your sugar, but I'm with the exercise that I I make the exercise like a prescription basically like six o'clock I gotta do something I get to go on a hike and it's amazing. I was joking with my endocrinologist. Like, why didn't you ever tell me that if you exercise and eat right, that your sugar's kind of do what they should? At least for me, I will say for me, I know that is not for everybody. But

Scott Benner 20:18
um, no, there used to be this online initiative that I don't think exists anymore called the Big Blue test. And it just challenged people with type one diabetes or diabetes in general, I believe, to go do 10 minutes of exercise, like look at your blood sugar, do 10 minutes of exercise, look at it again, and log that and most people experience some sort of a decrease in their blood sugar, especially people whose blood sugar's were, you know, higher, I think I've come to understand it better now. And thinking that if you don't have active insulin in you, you can exercise without dropping, but most of these people had some sort of mistimed insulin in their system. And their blood sugar's were normally higher, and, you know, so exercise and got that insulin working a little better and move it through their system, you know, more efficiently. That's something so I want to understand what it means to eat a plant based diet. So you got up this morning and ate

Matt Fouse 21:17
what I got up this morning, I ate avocado toast with some sea salt sprinkled on it and this seaweed sprinkles, which I love that adds flavor to it. And then a glass of oat milk.

Scott Benner 21:35
Okay, so you and I had incredibly similar and yet completely different breakfast. So I got up this morning, I took bread that I made myself, I made a slice of toast. And then I fried two eggs, and I ate that with toast. But I did sprinkle sea salt on the toast. Either kado is something it's in my house constantly. I watch my girls eat all the time. I've tried it. And I've come to believe that my palate doesn't want. I it's interesting, I have nothing against vegetables. But I don't eat them at all. And it's to my detriment, and I'm aware of it. But there I am very texture based, not just with my eating. But even like I've noticed one thing about Corona, which is interesting now that some stores have kind of opened up a little bit and people were moving around for a while that when I walk through a store, I touch everything that I go past fat fabrics, like tops, things like that, I it's part of my experience to feel something. And very similarly, if I put a pee in my mouth, it doesn't make sense to me that there's a crunchy shell on the top of squishy and then I'm out like it's hard to it's hard to put into words exactly what my problem is. But I eat like a four year old. And, and it's embarrassing. I am genuinely embarrassed. I don't want to eat a plant based, but I do wish I could incorporate more into my into my diet because I end up having to supplement to make up for those things.

Matt Fouse 23:11
Yeah, and if you google plant based diet, you'll probably get 10 different ideas of what that means it is it means but from what I take away from plant based, it is basically the new vegan except it strays away from the moral ethics of like animals. And if you know some, some people will say well plant based you eat vegan, but sometimes you can eat meat when you want to. So for me I like I do not eat it, it would not be the end of the world. Like if something got snuck in there. But um

Scott Benner 24:01
so you'd eat a steak if you wanted a steak you just don't want one and and so am I to understand that it's the the branding for the lack of a better term. Maybe it's not lack of their hair, maybe it's perfect term. Vegan is I eat plant based because either I want to or I have a moral opposition to eating a living. That was a once living thing. You're saying I have absolutely no trouble eating a once living thing. I just don't want to. Is that right? Okay. Okay. Yes,

Matt Fouse 24:30
yes, that that is my interpretation. In my the way I eat Oh,

Scott Benner 24:37
well, that's this whole series is that it's supposed to be about it's about talking to different people about how they eat. I don't give a man Yeah, about any of anybody's politics around food and I could sit here and make a passionate plea to not you know, farm raised cattle and slaughter for food. I think I could make a great argument about that. And, and I still at the same time, I did have a really Wonderful New York strip steak a couple of days ago so I could make a great argument for I think beef in you know in moderation is great for someone's diet too late so and but not for everybody and I think this is what why you're here is to say that I think you should eat the way your body wants you to eat. Like I don't know if like your body kind of tells you what it likes and what it doesn't like, right? Yeah, what it deals better with I'm sure there's vegan choices that you avoid. GMO pipe open has no visible needle, and it's the first pre mixed autoinjector have glucagon for very low blood sugar and adults and kids with diabetes ages two and above. Not only is Jeeva hypo pen simple to administer, but it's simple to learn more about. All you have to do is go to G Vogue glucagon.com Ford slash juice box. g Volk shouldn't be used in patients with insulinoma or pheochromocytoma. Visit g Volk glucagon.com slash risk. Everyone's given a blood glucose meter by their doctor. But did you ever stop to wonder if you got a good one? Is yours one of the most accurate on the market? Does it have second chance test strips? You know what I mean? So like when you touch the blood and it doesn't work? Do your test strips allow you to go back and get more blood without messing up the accuracy of the test? Is yours easy to hold simple to transport have a bright light. Is it easy to read? Do you have the Contour Next One blood glucose meter, go to Contour Next one.com forward slash juice box to learn more about what I think is the gold standard in accuracy. There's a lot going on at Contour Next one.com Ford slash juice box. For instance, you may be eligible for a free meter. There's information about test chip programs. And it's possible that buying the meter and strips with cash meaning not going through your insurance could be cheaper than going through your insurance. All of these answers and much more are answered at Contour. Next one.com forward slash juice box. The research that happens at T one d exchange.org. forward slash juice box has led to increased insurance coverage for blood glucose meter strips, changes in the American Diabetes associations guidelines for pediatric Awan seagulls. And it's also impacted FDA expansion of CGM labeling to include finger stick replacements and Medicare coverage of CGM devices. Here's how it works. You go to T one d exchange.org, forward slash juicebox. You join in something that is 100%, HIPAA compliant, and 1,000,000%. Anonymous, all you have to do is be from the United States, a person who's living with Type One Diabetes with a caregiver of someone who is and then you answer these very simple questions about type one diabetes, the T one D exchange, aggregates that data and comes to conclusions that help move care forward. For people living with Type One Diabetes. I went to the exchange as the parent of a child with Type One Diabetes, it quite literally took me about seven minutes to complete. And that was the end, T one d exchange.org. forward slash juicebox. You could help move things forward too. You can find the links to all the sponsors and so much more at Juicebox podcast.com. We're right there in the show notes of your podcast player. I'm sure there's vegan choices that you avoid.

Matt Fouse 28:45
Oh, absolutely. Yeah, that I will not eat those weird. Tofu e noodle things that look like spaghetti. I tried them. I'm like, Oh, great, you know, low carb spaghetti. Awesome. And I think I would rather slurp down snot

Unknown Speaker 29:07
wasn't good.

Matt Fouse 29:09
It was not.

Scott Benner 29:11
I remember hearing somebody that Gosh, I wish I could remember I heard this. They were having the opportunity to try genetically. It's a book she just wrote, I'm never gonna think of her name. She's got an opportunity to try genetically manufactured meats. And you know, just trying them in front of the people who develop them and and she said all the you know, you know, people were like, It's good, right? And she was like, Oh, no, it's terrible. Like I can I can see where the technology is going. But this is this does not taste right. It doesn't feel right. Like nothing about it was quite right. I think she was talking about chicken. Like Like literally like lab made chicken.

Matt Fouse 29:50
Yeah, well, now they are toying around with 3d printing meat. Which is kind of weird. It's like I mean, you know I'm the same way though like whatever floats your boat, whatever is right for you. live your best life do whatever makes you feel good. It doesn't bother me, but like, printing out meat. I don't know. It kind of

Scott Benner 30:14
weird. It seems like a strange leap. I'm I am trying so hard to remember her name right now. I just heard her talking about her book somewhere. And now I am for the life of me having trouble. Jenny klieman I found it. So she wrote a book called sex robots and vegan meat adventures at the frontier of birth food, sex and death. Anyway, she was talking about this. And she and she said, You know, like, that just didn't didn't feel right. It didn't taste right. And yeah, not that I but you know, not that it couldn't at some point, or that maybe in the future? Because right? That's the idea. I'm guessing is that, that some people's arguments are going to be that more and more and more people, and you create more and more and more cattle and pigs and you know, everything else? Like eventually, it'll take more space, effort and resources to feed us then then we can, you know, balance, I guess is the idea.

Matt Fouse 31:10
Oh, absolutely. And we just keep growing too. I mean, what are we at now 7 billion or something? I don't even know the number. All those

Scott Benner 31:20
people eat every day, if they're lucky, and a lot of them don't get to.

Matt Fouse 31:24
And that was a worldwide pandemic. So there might be 15 billion next year. Who knows? I don't know.

Scott Benner 31:30
Yeah, I really, I genuinely care for it. We could be it could be doubling another eight months. I genuinely don't have a feeling about how people eat. Nor do I think that I completely understand the science around. You know, whether cow farts are is dangerous is landfills. You know, there's methane gas that comes from landfills. Is that more than cow farts? Maybe? I don't know. Like, and I think that when you hear arguments one way or the other, you're hearing them from people who, you know, if somebody says, oh, the cows aren't the problem, I'm gonna guess those are either people eating meat or people selling meat. You know, and and people were like, it's the cows swamp, I guess don't want you looking in their landfills. I would pretty much guess you know how stuff like

Matt Fouse 32:11
Yeah, yeah. And I think we'll maybe eventually get to a point where everything equals in some sort of magical equalisation point like, your body tells you, the world will tell us. Hey, we're out of me. And then what would that? Well,

Scott Benner 32:31
I'll tell you what, I'll eat peas that day. Matt, I'll smile. So so it's fair to say that if you learned through trial and error that a completely meat based diet for you know, vegetables is what made your body feel right. You'd be doing that. Absolutely, yeah. No, okay, that makes complete sense to me. Okay, so today for lunch, what are you going to eat?

Matt Fouse 32:56
I will have probably 10 pe, I will slice it up, make a wrap. With the I like how you call it branding of plant base, that options are just you can get anything now you can get you know, Manet's

Scott Benner 33:16
all these delicious sauces, so you can make it taste very, very good. So I'll probably have like a 10 pay wrap with some sprouts and lettuce and maybe a salad on the side. I cannot be more honest and to tell you that I am vigorously trying to figure out what the hell temp is online right now hold on.

Matt Fouse 33:38
It's like a grain base block of I don't think it's like it. Maybe it is a meat substitute. Um, but fry it up in a skillet. It's pretty delicious.

Scott Benner 33:52
Okay, hold on. A traditional Indonesian soy product is made from fermented soy beans. It is made by a natural culturing and controlled fermentation process that bind soy beans into a cake form. Matt you're losing me where it says here a special fungus is used. So it's like it's spam, out of soybeans kind of feeling like visually it gets longer. The way they produce it. It looks like to me but I'm assuming you buy it in a smaller block when you buy it.

Matt Fouse 34:23
Yeah, it comes wrapped in usually like a plastic and it's like a rectangular shape and you can slice it. A lot of the fake and bacon as they call it is now 10 pay base like there's there's a bunch of different brands now. Some of them have grains, some are soy, some are flax. And I will say that it makes you regular, you will not have any problems.

Scott Benner 34:59
You don't need Fiber substitute.

Matt Fouse 35:01
Absolutely not wanting a fiber in my diet.

Unknown Speaker 35:05
That's hilarious.

Scott Benner 35:08
And it's it is very, I guess it's a very natural thing. It's probably a very common food in other countries.

Matt Fouse 35:15
I would assume so. Yeah.

Scott Benner 35:16
Because of the rate because it's just not there's not much to it. But the soy bean, I guess. Yeah. I'm looking at vegan bacon right now. Trying to figure out what that

Matt Fouse 35:27
problem if I made you a BLT Mm hmm. Side by side with the most luscious beautiful pig bacon. And faking bacon, right? soaked in liquid smoke and fried in the skillet. I think you'd be pretty.

Unknown Speaker 35:47
I'd be impressed. Pretty shot,

Matt Fouse 35:49
you would be impressed. Absolutely.

Scott Benner 35:51
I'm not gonna say no, I although this recipe I found says it's made in grapeseed oil and I am very, it's funny of all the things I'm not I am very particular about what kind of oils I take in or don't take in. Grapeseed is one of them. I don't I don't eat that so. Okay, so you're telling me that you could get fake bake into a point where it tasted like real bacon. But you mentioned a lot of different things. Do you make it yourself? Or do you buy it somewhere?

Matt Fouse 36:18
A lot of the brands now have the fake and bacon 10 pay ready to go marinated in a little packet. Okay, you throw it in the skillet for five minutes. It's ready to go. God. I do make like, I'll make my own marinades with like liquid smoke. Some oils and spices and leave it in there to marinate in the fridge and it's good. It's um, I made a BLT the other day. It's one of my favorite lunches. Actually, maybe maybe that's what I thought for lunch today. And I was so impressed. It had the most luscious local tomatoes sliced thick with vegan Manet's homemade bread because everybody's making bread right now. Right? Yeah. That's like the thing I made bread today. And I said Hey, honey, try this you're you're gonna be shocked and my wife was like, I'm impressed.

Scott Benner 37:17
She does she eat plant based?

Matt Fouse 37:19
She does not she will eat you know meat. She does it Gary.

Scott Benner 37:26
Tell me about the fistfight about when the baby started eating food. When did you how does that like I'm imagining like you're a Protestant and she's a Catholic and we're trying to decide how like what religion like get it even like when when when the eating thing comes up. How does that work? Like how does your How does your your oldest eat

Matt Fouse 37:47
my daughter? Oh, my daughter eats a normal diet. Okay, um we'll get her regular yogurt and like for the baby I don't care i'm easygoing what like

Scott Benner 37:59
whatever.

Matt Fouse 38:00
I'm not gonna you know, spread my plant base preachings on other people. I don't care how you eat, whatever, whatever makes you feel good. If eating nothing, but steak makes me feel good. Yeah, go for it. But whatever. I couldn't

Scott Benner 38:16
even put throw a soap box in front of you. You couldn't really even get up and preach about plant base. It really is just about what's right for you.

Matt Fouse 38:24
Absolutely. And that that was my decision with eating that way. For you know, my diabetes and for the way I feel actually it's, it's my mind is it feels clearer. I joke that it made me Whittier with my wife, you know, like, I get to the punch.

Unknown Speaker 38:50
But she's laughing more you're saying

Matt Fouse 38:54
Why? That's my bad dad joke. Boy. Hey, hey, I'm funnier. Right?

Scott Benner 39:00
I bet you she doesn't agree with that law. As a matter of fact, I was hilarious the other day in public. Matt, I'm not gonna lie to you. There were people around me just gathered around. Everyone's having a good time. And I looked at my wife and my wife had a look on my face on her face. They said to me, oh, yeah, here this this one's gonna tell this one again that he's gonna roll into that story that and then they're all gonna laugh because they've never heard it before. And I'm stuck here hearing it for the 37th time.

Matt Fouse 39:25
Absolutely. Oh, we are so similar. Yes, yeah. Ah, this whole pandemic you know I'm not we're not rounds are normal group of people because you see one at a time instead of hanging out in a circle and same exact story. Like my white shirt those jokes 100 times and every time I get a chance with a new audience.

Unknown Speaker 39:50
Oh, yeah,

Unknown Speaker 39:51
God,

Scott Benner 39:51
I felt energized. I was like, Oh, hold on. These people don't know me. This will be good.

Unknown Speaker 39:58
The best is when

Matt Fouse 40:01
My wife will tell a funny joke and I won't laugh about it. But then I'll steal the joke around friends. She's like, Wait a second. That's my job.

Scott Benner 40:09
I'm the one that said that and you'd pretended it wasn't funny. And then you're probably upset if she didn't laugh when you thought it. Understand narcissism, Marsha, I gotcha. Well, okay, so all right, let's roll into one more meal. Like tonight for dinner. everybody's having one thing, what are you eating?

Matt Fouse 40:31
I try to stay lower carb for dinners. Okay, um, because I, I can eat anywhere from 7pm to 10. Because I never, you never know what my schedule is gonna be with life. So if I eat later, I just try to stay lower carb. So you know, maybe a salad with some garbanzo beans. And whatever else I whip up, I use the instapot a lot. I'm really big into eggplant. I love eggplant. And I can throw something in the instant pot for 10 minutes. And it's like this magical dinner. I slaved over all day. But you press a button. It's pretty nice. Yeah.

Unknown Speaker 41:19
What about like, though?

Scott Benner 41:21
When's the last time you had pizza? I'm imagining you'd have to make it for yourself. And there's some sort of substitute for cheese. Right? But this everything else works. So how do you do that?

Matt Fouse 41:30
So pizza, we will make it home because my daughter loves pizza, she has a five year old. So I would get the dough premade in the bag at the grocery store, we'll roll it out. And my daughter can put her normal cheese on it. And usually what I will do is I will just put the sauce down. Or just olive oil and then put whatever I want on it like veggies or I do not like the fake Jesus. They have a weird consistency. For me. I have yet to find a brand that I think tastes good. So I'll make more of like a flatbread type, and then a little olive oil and vegetables or just Yes, a

Scott Benner 42:18
red sauce and have a tomato pie kind of a thing?

Matt Fouse 42:21
Absolutely. Yes. And that's easy, because you can throw both in the oven and everybody can eat the way they want to. And yeah, it's

Scott Benner 42:29
all good. That sounds nice. It really does. I mean, I I'm just trying to wrap my head around. Because I think the reason I'm asking so much is because I believe that most people's idea would be either a I don't want to just eat vegetables or how hard it would be to eat something new day after day after day. But you'd really don't have that feeling at all. Like you're just

Matt Fouse 42:49
I don't I've been eating like that long enough that you just kind of have these meals in your back pocket. It's kind of like one of your episodes. You were talking about Bolus saying how you just kind of learned, like, well, the moon is a waning gibbous tonight. So I'm going to Bolus this you know, so it's like, you kind of have these things in your back pocket that's like, wow, tonight, I'm having the eggplant with tomato sauce base with some flat bread and then you get used to it, it is harder at first. There's a lot of really good cookbooks out there that will give you ideas because you know, your diet is kind of limited, but there is a substitution for anything you like that is normal eating pretty much or they're like,

Unknown Speaker 43:45
God, I'm sorry. Like, if

Matt Fouse 43:47
you like bacon, there's bacon. If you like steak, there's steak type, consistent things. So it's um, you learn it's a learning process. Yeah.

Scott Benner 44:00
Are there more carbs in plant based eating than people would imagine? Like how like how carb heavy are your meals?

Matt Fouse 44:13
I think I think I'm gonna say yes and no. So if you eat a lot of vegetables, you could eat plant based low carb ish. If you eat the heavy greens and potatoes and spaghetti and wheat and bread, you could be very high carb. So I think that question is, it depends on how you like to eat. Okay, so

Scott Benner 44:44
if it's more vegetables, there's going to be fewer carbs. I guess unless you involve more routes and things like like potatoes and yams and stuff like that. There's a little more there. But otherwise your other options are more flour. Great. based and which are gonna bring carbs with it? Yes. So but even like you could have a potato chip and be vegan and like my daughter has a vegan friend and I am fascinated by how poorly she eats. Because in my mind vegan means healthy. That's, you know, my, my leap and yet she's the kid who's in the snack drawer more than anyone else because she's she's positive. There's no nothing from an animal in that drawer basically.

Matt Fouse 45:29
Oh, absolutely. You can eat like an alley rat and still be vegan got it is actually pretty shocking What? Technically vegan foods can be like, you would never in a million years think but Oreos? are vegan, right? Or am I allowed to say brands,

Unknown Speaker 45:53
whatever you want got

Matt Fouse 45:55
like Pringles are technically vegan. You can eat Pringles for dinner, hovering over the sink,

Scott Benner 46:06
you know, and and tell everyone you're a vegan. So there is a way for me to be an incredibly unhealthy vegan

Matt Fouse 46:14
100%

Scott Benner 46:16
as long as I can be involved, then that's fine. I could be vegan till Finally, I could change my eating habits up and maintain my level of actually, that's not true. As I get older. I just there's fewer, like junk food, I guess type things that I'm willing to tolerate. And they just don't. I've come to believe that as I get older and my body gets older, it's less capable of overwhelming the hell that is the poorly constructed food and you know, things that aren't have any natural ingredients. And then whatsoever. You know, I used to be able to eat a bag of Doritos and it meant nothing to me. And now if I see it or eat Oh, I think I would never eat that. And you know, it's just it's interesting, because I put it in my body and my body would fight against it the whole way through it would just be like this shouldn't be in here. Yep, but that does come with age a little bit. People will find out sadly as they get older.

Drink Coffee.

Matt Fouse 47:16
I drink I live off of coffee. Okay, um, so my job if you want to call it that I'm self employed stay at home dad. So I own a mobile espresso business. So I always have the espresso machine on. I am basically like a caffeine addict. It's nonstop. It's

Scott Benner 47:43
not I didn't mean to like I didn't know if that was something you did or didn't want to share. But I feel like we've hit into something a mobile espresso business you bring me a cup of coffee.

Matt Fouse 47:54
So, yes, I own it's a Vesper Abbaye. It's a three wheeled scooter from Italy

Scott Benner 48:03
Dude, I'm already on your Instagram keep talking.

Matt Fouse 48:05
Yeah, guys. Um, and I fabricated in espresso machine and all that good stuff on it. So I cater to movie sets, weddings, corporate events. Right now work is kind of dead because everything I do is event based. There's no there's no movies being filmed. No TV shows being filmed. So um, but like I got to do some cool things. I did the set of House of Cards and they're filming it around here. Veep a few other movies and documentaries. It's fun. So I you know make espresso for famous people and come home and be like, Hey, honey, Robin Wright today he told me. Hey, Matt, sweetie, your cappuccino is delicious. She's like, well, maybe Robin Wright can pack your lunch tomorrow.

Scott Benner 49:01
I don't think she's going to because she wasn't putting up with Sean Penn. I don't think she's gonna put up with me either. Yeah. That's a really interesting to what part of the country are you in?

Matt Fouse 49:12
I am right outside of Baltimore. Okay. Yeah, wow.

Scott Benner 49:18
Well, that's really I did not expect you to say that. I was just wondering like, my thought process was, most people can't live without coffee. So I want to make sure to ask while everybody's telling me how they eat if it fits into their diet or not. I've never had a cup of coffee in my entire life.

Matt Fouse 49:35
You know, I call you those weirdos I don't know how you live Do you sir coke. What

Unknown Speaker 49:42
do you do? I don't do

Scott Benner 49:43
any drugs. I don't drink and I don't think I'd be in better shape. Even just for that. But it's just it's it's nature's joke against me honestly. Now I don't think I say it on here. Everyone smile. I don't think I've had the equivalent of case of beer in my life maybe, you know and I, my parents drank coffee all the time. There was constantly coffee in a coffee pot in my house. I never remember having any aversion to it. Nothing bad happened. I wasn't burned by a cup of coffee at a young age or something like that. It just never occurs to me. I have an incredible amount of like, mental or intellectual energy. And I when you stimulate me, it goes way too far the other way. Like, I'd be the worst person to be drunk with I think, although, although I'm guessing, and I think if you gave me a cup of coffee, you'd you'd probably get like binding gag me until it wore off. I just I would go on. Like, look how fast I talk now. Yeah, I don't do that. I drink mainly unsweetened iced tea and water. throughout my day. I try not to have too much caffeine or sugar. And I don't know. I don't know. I see. Everybody loves their coffee. You want to love it? You don't I mean? Like, it seems like one of those things. It would be absolutely amazing. It does. Yeah. doesn't strike me for some reason. Okay, so let's talk about bolusing for your diet. So this morning, avocado toast. I'm gonna guess is it one slice of avocado toast and a half of an avocado. I'm going to try to get

Matt Fouse 51:24
it depends on how hungry I am.

Scott Benner 51:27
But sometimes it's too. Okay. So what do I so Okay, so for avocado, I'm guessing at around 14 carbs and depending on the toast you like, somewhere between 15 and 22? Yep. Right, that right there. Okay. And there's fat in the avocado, which people wouldn't think about which would probably stretched out your you need for your boss. Is that true? Does this need like some sort of an extended or something like that?

Matt Fouse 51:54
Correct? Yes. Um, I recently um, thanks to thanks to you, actually, the podcast. Oh, hold

Scott Benner 52:02
on. It clearly. Is this the part where you say something nice about me. Go ahead. Okay. Yeah, go ahead. Take your time with me. Because

Matt Fouse 52:10
I recently, you know, went on loop from listening to the looping episode, I think with Katie de Simone, right. It's amazing. And I joined the Facebook group. So now with loop, it's a new way of thinking for me as a diabetic. Because the last 30 years, I thought differently, basically, Thomas so. So now, instead of being like, Okay, this meal has 40 carbs, right. I'm going to Bolus for that. I did this advanced diabetic ninja trick I that has been working amazing for me where I will bolus, like half or three fourths of the suggested Bolus that Luke tells me to because I never know what I'm going to do outside. Like if I'm going to do yard work. So like, previously, you'd have all this insulin on board. And that's it. You got it. It's there. You're getting it. Yeah. Where now with loop, I can do like half of what it suggests I can go outside and mow or pick up sticks in the yard or whatever. And loop kind of, you know, because it adjusts every so often, like what every five minutes it makes a decision. Well, it's getting kind of equalizes itself out where I don't go too low or too high. That's nice. Yeah. And I'm actually going to try to do the auto Bolus branch coming up. I've heard great things about that.

Scott Benner 53:49
I recommend that one. Okay. Yes. For sure.

Matt Fouse 53:53
I made the loop at the beginning of the pandemic. It was like, You know how it is I was all nervous. I sat down, I read all the documents. And I have yet to update, because I'm like, I don't want to lose something great that I had.

Scott Benner 54:11
Well, the great thing about that Auto Bolus branch, in my opinion is that it really the only difference in it is that there's a switch to turn the auto Bolus offer on. So if you put it on and you hate it to shut it off, and you still shut it on, you have the old version then like that, or the functionality, at least if you have the older version, which is an older, it's still being updated. And I think it was just updated recently, actually. And people use it all the time with a lot of Yes. So the podcast has been helpful for you. How long have you been listening to it?

Matt Fouse 54:40
Probably about a year no calm. I would make it my daily habit. When I did go to the gym. I would play an episode and run on the treadmill and lift my weights and but yeah, it is I have to thank you. It's A new way of thinking, honestly, it's like, I like to joke with my friends being like, yeah, Hama, I'm an advanced diabetic. I listened to a podcast,

Scott Benner 55:13
like we're gonna start calling you all juicers or something like that, that might be funny. Well, first thank That's very kind of you to say, and I appreciate it I, I steadfastly maintain, if you were to talk to me privately, and I wasn't being goofy for this, that I shared some tools and you're using them, it's all you, you know, they mean, like, you just heard ideas you hadn't heard before. But the reason I enjoyed hearing that from you, is because you've been diabetic for so long. And everyone I bumped into wants to immediately say, Oh, your podcast must just be listened to by parents of kids with diabetes. Because those people you know, they're more careful, or they're more involved, or Bob, and I'm like, No, I, it's about 5050. I have adults living with and, and parents of, and I get to see that actually, because of the private Facebook group. When people come in, they say what their relationship to diabetes is, which is incredibly helpful for me to know who I'm talking to. And I'm not I'm not surprised by it. I'm surprised by how many people are surprised by it, that they don't recognize that the way insulin works, is the way insulin works gonna work for you the same way it works for my daughter, and people are different within Of course, they're small variables. And some people are different. There's outliers and everything. But most of people, it's the same insulin goes in it has a certain amount of time before it works. You're trying to balance that insulin against you know, the action of the food and you just try to make this this you know, a fair fight between the food, the insulin, that's not specific from me, to you, or from you to my daughter or anything else.

Unknown Speaker 56:52
So absolutely.

Scott Benner 56:52
I'm always I'm always a little weirded out when people like, Oh, that's just for kids. Right? And I'm like, why does it? Like why do you think it matters? timing your bolus is just important for children. Before we move on, and please do be honest, and I'm being serious, to be honest, in your mind, who's more famous me or Robin Wright? Penn go?

Matt Fouse 57:12
Oh, you definitely.

Unknown Speaker 57:15
Definitely.

Scott Benner 57:16
She's a better actress. But I mean, for you personally. I'm more important. I think

Matt Fouse 57:21
she she's better looking. I'm sorry.

Unknown Speaker 57:24
Well, yeah.

Scott Benner 57:27
Absolutely gorgeous woman, but I and I can't compete on that level. But I think I'm at least I don't know if more famous is the right way to put it. But I am definitely more important. I'm saying in a rowboat situation with a leak and one of us has to go over to save to others. Robin Wright pens in the water, right?

Matt Fouse 57:43
Oh, 100%. Never, she never taught me about

Scott Benner 57:50
who's gonna help you polish for those coconuts when we get to the desert island. I gotta be honest with you, if you don't push me out of the boat immediately, I'd even be disappointed. I'd be like, What's he doing? I'd push you out and get her back. Nevertheless, alright, so prior to looping bolusing for your way of eating anything special people should know about it.

Matt Fouse 58:19
My bolusing worked fairly the same. I you know, I would Pre-Bolus before a meal. The only difference would be like I said, you would Bolus and you could cancel a Temp Basal on the Omni pod. But it didn't make the decisions based on what you were doing. What is what I love loop for like, if I get on the treadmill and forget to do a override that hey, body, I'm exercising loop most of the times figures it out like after like 10 minutes of running. It's like dudes doing something

Scott Benner 59:09
blood sugar spawn starting we

Matt Fouse 59:11
better cut with our circuit and, and it's very, very seldom that I will go when drop to where I have to get off and

Scott Benner 59:21
drink juice or whatever. Which I see you have starbursts on your desk for our conversation.

Matt Fouse 59:27
That is my go to it's quick and

Scott Benner 59:31
you know I never asked people but and I don't see most of the people you just have a great internet cache and so we're looking at each other but I don't see most people while I'm recording which I'd like to change in the future maybe but but I can hear people eating and checking their blood sugars in the background. I never mentioned it I wonder if people listening can hear like sometimes you'll just hear like you know, like there's a click in the background or something like that. I'm like somebody's checking their blood sugar right now or, or you'll you'll hear a little fumbling around. Some rappers or something, and I leave it in the show because I think it's interesting.

Matt Fouse 1:00:04
Oh, totally, it's real life. I mean, that is what we deal with. So it's like, You know why? Right?

Scott Benner 1:00:11
Okay, so bolusing, you were just using a lot of the skills from the podcast, you were doing Temp Basal increases and decreases and spreading out insulin and that kind of thing, just lining up insulin with the impact and that was working. But what you like about loop is that it can take bazel away when it sees you getting a low, I think that's a no brainer. I think that whether it's tandem, you know, whatever their, their loop, the loop system is called IQ or something like that. Or if it's going to be the forthcoming on a pod five or maytronics. Got another one coming out, you know, next year. I think I think that everyone who wants it and can afford it should at least try it. I think you should think about it the way we thought about fast like, Alright, well, let's see what this does. You know, because maybe you're gonna have a great experience, like method, and it'll change your life a

Matt Fouse 1:01:04
little bit. So absolutely. And I I recently, my endocrinologist was hanging out with me at my house, we're buds and I showed him the loop. And like, you're not gonna make me stop coming to see you. Right? Because technically, it's not FDA approved then. Right? Ah, and he's like, no, like, if we were both discussing as I think within the next decade, pretty much every diabetic will be on the looping system. It's the first thing to happen. That's a huge advancement. It's to me, it's like I say, I'm three fourths cured.

Scott Benner 1:01:55
Sometimes, right? Yeah, absolutely. Like able your blood sugar's can be.

Matt Fouse 1:01:59
I rarely go high. The only times I go high is things that are out of my control, like, a bad site, your Whoops, I forgot the bowl was it's all on me. Right? Um, so I yeah, it's, it's amazing.

Scott Benner 1:02:18
That's Arden's budget, or for the last six hours.

Unknown Speaker 1:02:21
Beautiful

Scott Benner 1:02:22
that you love it. It's just it's between. I mean, it's between 80. And she hit 120. For a second, I'm gonna be honest with you. What happened was she got out of bed. And she went and got cleaned up and got ready for school. And I know she walked away from the Riley link. Yep. So right when she started to drift up because she was feet on the floor, she didn't get a little insulin. And I did nothing, nothing to fix that. And she rose at 759 to 130. And by 839, she was back under 120. And by nine o'clock, she was 100 again. And now now she's 90, and she's been 90 for like the last hour. So that is just that's a weight lifted that. I mean, listen, you want me to make a prognostication right here, you'll have a steak one day. And my podcasts will get put out of business eventually, by algorithms. It really well. And when it ends, it's going to end because of algorithms, I am going to have taught everyone in the world how to use them. And there's going to be no reason to talk about diabetes anymore. Knock on wood, or we can go to the

Matt Fouse 1:03:38
wall. You know, like?

Scott Benner 1:03:40
Yeah, oh, God, please, listen, I love doing this podcast, I hope something else new comes up. But we all have to learn. But, but no, seriously, like not that not that talking about diabetes wouldn't be necessary. Because I think there's a lot of benefit in that part of it too. But just the management side of it, like when you really think about this show over the last six years. This show is is when you're talking about insulin at its core, me explaining the convoluted way that I broke down how insulin worked and how you can put it into practice in your life and how we have. And at some point, if you have a CGM and a pump with an algorithm in it, it's going to be about getting your settings right. And press Pre-Bolus thing on time. And,

Matt Fouse 1:04:25
yeah, that that's the thing too, is like, I like to say garbage in garbage out. You still have to know that. You don't hop in a car. And when you're 16 and just go, you have to learn all the fine you know how to turn but the key and then turn it on it. There'll be some good stuff.

Scott Benner 1:04:45
Yeah, but it just won't be I won't be. Although you know what, in fairness, most people are still not going to be able to afford this stuff. And it is short sighted of me to even say that because while I have a lot of interaction with the people who have pumps have glucose monitors, there are plenty of people listening who do not have those things and don't have a pathway to them either. And, and I think those people are always going to need that conversation. I'm just thinking that there's maybe I'm wishful thinking that one day, it's not going to be necessary for someone like me to sit down and say, Okay, now, you put your insulin in here, and you wait this amount of time, then you start eating, try not to eat that first eat this first because we want the digestion to like, you know, and then we'll spread it out, we'll do a nice extended bolus over two and a half hours. And that should take care of the fat and protein like I'm hoping not to have that conversation anymore. But at the same time, when, if you really asked me to describe it, I haven't just dumbed it down for the show, I genuinely believe this, it's just there's a timeline where the food impacts your blood sugar. And during that timeline, you have to equally impact the food with insulin. And that's just sort of it, you know, I don't see another another, I don't see a reason to think of it in a different way to be perfectly honest.

Matt Fouse 1:06:00
Yeah, insulin always works, you just have to know how to manipulate it with all those variables, which can be like rocket scientists to some people. And second nature. And others.

Scott Benner 1:06:12
I think, if you notice, when I'm talking to Jenny, I'll use a phrase when the insolence doing what I expect it to do. And, in my mind, what that means is, we have a good pathway for the sun to get dark and spotty. So a site that's working well. And then I do something, I know what the insulin supposed to do, based on what I did, like, I'm so aware of the amount I'm using and the timing I'm using, I know what's going to happen. And when that doesn't happen, if there's good insulin delivery, it's easy for me to fix, because the variables that everybody you know, talks about, there's so many variables. There aren't as many variables for me. But it's just because I've seen it so many times. Like, I don't know if you can see this now. And I don't know what this is gonna say, because I haven't seen this in a while. So I'm following five people's blood sugars right now. And with the exception of somebody who I just started talking to yesterday, I've got 9195, a 68, and a 79. And so, and a 91, which is my daughter's. So all those people, all of them are just doing what I do. That's it and they're all having reasonable and one of those lower blood sugars is a person who's switching to a pump today. So they have tresiba leftover in them and they're trying to get a pump going so that Yeah, his low little lower blood sugar is going to come up really soon. And I there's part of me that wants to that wishes I could make that public that you could look and go look Scott's following and helping five I'm just texting with him. I'm not there. I'm not I don't know exactly what the and I'm just like now a little more a little less turned off, turn it down. I talked to him for a couple of days there people sometimes there are people I owe favors to sometimes there are people you know, I just are in such bad ways that I think it's not going to help them if I don't talk to them. Or they get into a bad spot where listening to the podcast is impossible for them for certain reasons. And all I know is you use the tools use them about the way I tell you to use them. And it works. And that's it. Yep. So yep. Hopefully it hopefully that's what happens. All right, what am I not? What are the pitfalls of plant based eating? Tell me one of the things that you really hate about it that you shouldn't even admits other people or anything.

Matt Fouse 1:08:39
Oh, I would say the social aspect of it. Um, like, I won't say peer pressure, but like, you go to a potluck or something. And, you know, Aunt Trudy is excited that she just made these delicious cupcakes and is like, yeah, I gotta try one. He got to try one of these, you know, like, I know, that's loaded with 10 pounds of butter. And then yeah, there's this social aspect of like, I don't want to, like, make somebody feel bad and be like, well, I can't eat that. Yeah. That for me is the hardest part. And then like going to restaurants can sometimes you can be that annoying person and being like, well, what's in this? What's this? What's this?

Unknown Speaker 1:09:34
So

Matt Fouse 1:09:36
we rarely go out to eat, or of course now, we're not going out to eat but when we do, it's the places that I know what the menu is. Right? And honestly with a soon to be six year old and a baby who knows how often we'll go out to eat anyway.

Scott Benner 1:09:58
Everybody suddenly didn't have Corona anymore. You're still not going anywhere for about a year. Yeah. So just the idea of it's, it's different enough that it's noticeable and you might end up like hurting someone's feelings or asking a waiter, like, please make sure you use a pan that hasn't had butter in it or something like that, like you actually would have to say I'm, I'm completely vegan, like, I don't want any animal based stuff. And then do you think that people who don't see, even though it's not your perspective? People who don't think about animals the way like a classic vegan might think about it? Look at you and like, the soft guy doesn't want to see it in a cow. Like the view? Do you think there's that too? Like, do you think people

Matt Fouse 1:10:42
are 100%? Yes. I come across so often have like, I very politely say, Oh, no, no, thank you. I don't want to eat your cookies. One because I'm diabetic. And because our brother in it. Um, and some people just have a difficult time when you are different than what they are used to. It's like, Wait a second, you don't eat butter? Why? Yeah.

Scott Benner 1:11:11
Why don't you do that? And now you're explaining yourself and you don't want to be telling me but you don't need to explain yourself. Right? Like that must be. Right.

Matt Fouse 1:11:18
Yeah. It's like, well, I choose to not eat this way. Because it makes me feel better. And even sometimes, for some people, they can't grasp that either. Like, you don't eat like me.

Scott Benner 1:11:34
It's no different probably than a lot of social division in a lot of different ways. I would think you're, you're, quote unquote, too different. And so there must be a reason. There's something wrong with you. Or you're making me feel like there's something wrong with me. And then there becomes you know, that kind of like, clash. It's interesting. It really is. Yeah. Do you avoid telling people in situations where you don't need to?

Matt Fouse 1:12:01
Oh, yeah. 100% I am not that person of Hey, did you know I'm vegan?

Scott Benner 1:12:11
in a crowd of 1000 people, do you think you'd have more acceptance telling people you have type one diabetes or that you don't eat meat?

Unknown Speaker 1:12:18
Oh, type one diabetes?

Scott Benner 1:12:22
is wearing a thing on his arm but at least delete a cow. For cows have it happened to them? And are delicious, though. That's the problem. Your meat is too delicious. What are you gonna do? I mean a sauce. Think about a sausage from a pig. Oh my god. It's so good. Is there anything you miss?

Matt Fouse 1:12:46
Yes, like, I I write outside of Baltimore. I love crabs. I always say if I break my diet, though, it will be at a crab feast. I'll be food. One 100% Yes.

Scott Benner 1:13:08
I mean, I imagine there had to be something that you're just I'm interesting when I eat I don't particularly have like you couldn't say to me Hey, let's go here for dinner and make me like oh my God, that's an amazing thing. We have to do that. I'm not a real oddly of food person. I do appreciate good food versus average food. I have learned to like you know, I I use a smoker to smoke some meats. You know, and there's an obvious it's just obviously better. And there's I got making pizza and I I'll make the dough myself and you know, like, like, take the time to cook it at a temperature where it comes up the way you expect it from a from like a you know, from a restaurant. And I can see the difference in that I can see if you like cold ferment pizza dough that it digests easier. Like like, little stuff like that. But having said that, I would eat a slice of pizza from a boardwalk in three seconds and you know, think nothing of it. And then 10 hours later go oh my god, I still don't feel well for that terrible slice.

Unknown Speaker 1:14:13
Yeah,

Scott Benner 1:14:14
just really, eating is an interesting thing. It just really is that

Matt Fouse 1:14:17
quality makes a difference. You're right though yet.

Scott Benner 1:14:21
Yep. No, I hear it. I really do. So is there anything that you would want to tell people that we haven't talked about?

Matt Fouse 1:14:30
I would say one of the best outcomes which I wasn't even expecting were my labs. My a one C is always been, you know, great in range. But like my cholesterol and triglycerides and everything else. I was hovering at high cholesterol. Hmm. We have chicken pet chickens. So Previous to choosing plant based diet, I would eat like six hard boiled eggs a day. And my cholesterol was I think 190 hovering, like, my endocrinologist was like, Yeah, what's going on here? Like, oh, I have pet chickens. And I don't want those eggs. But, um, after choosing plant based diets, my labs were just the best I have ever seen. Okay. Yeah, my I think my cholesterol last time was like 110 total. In my performance, I'm not anywhere near a professional athlete level. But like, running, I don't get winded is quickly, I can go further. I can go longer. I recover quicker. And I attribute it to the plant based diet. If you had

Scott Benner 1:15:59
your exact diet that you have right now, but three times a week you had, I don't know, chicken or beef or fish. You're saying that you would feel differently physically? Like not as well. I'm assuming like inflammation, aches and pains stuff like that. Is that? Yes, yeah.

Matt Fouse 1:16:18
Yes. Yeah. Like my, I noticed my joints would be sluggish. Like, I am. 37. That's how old I am. Yeah. So you know, I get up in awe. But I don't experience any of that anymore.

Scott Benner 1:16:36
Wow. That's pretty. That's amazing. That's a that is? Definitely. I mean, I'm 10 years older than you and I, I think I'm more than 10. But let's just say I'm 10 years older than you. And I, I know what you're saying, My hands hurt sometimes. And they're achy. And you know, I do I wonder what all that is about? If it's just me getting older, if I'm eating something and taking something in that I don't want. My one of my last questions for you is, do you have to supplement with anything? Is there anything, you're not getting your diet that you have to take through vitamins,

Matt Fouse 1:17:11
I do take a multivitamin, just to make sure that I get all the vitamins and minerals that I need that might be left out. I get plenty of protein. You know, I probably get 90 grams a day, which for my body is just fine. For me.

Scott Benner 1:17:33
I think it's obvious that you found the way to eat that really works best for you. So I assume that's really what everybody should be doing is eating the things that make their body perform the way you know that it should. So that's Yes. It's really cool that I found it. Absolutely. Yeah, it really is. I appreciate you sharing all this with me. And with everybody. I see a very pregnant woman behind you.

Unknown Speaker 1:17:57
That is my daughter. Well,

Scott Benner 1:18:03
is that a boy or girl? Do you know?

Matt Fouse 1:18:05
We don't know? What number two, my wife said that we could find out and when it was time. She did it. And she's gets to make a decision. So we did we so we did it though. With my daughter. We didn't know either. And when she came out the doctor was like dad do you want to call it and she had her little legs closed and it was I say it was like scratching a lottery ticket off. I had to literally get a check. He all the legs apart. I was like girl.

Scott Benner 1:18:42
That's amazing. That is a that's a nice story. It really is. Well, that's it. I was supposed to cut the cord but then I couldn't panic situation something medical. And then when it was over I felt like so disappointed by it. And it stuck with me for a while. I don't know why with coal and then with Arden. I don't know what happened. Now I can't I couldn't tell you for certain if I cut Arden's cord or not. I really don't know. So it becomes a blur. Yeah, get ready for that when you get older everybody just going I vaguely remember being there when the human life came into the world couldn't tell you much about it. Really is a delightful thing getting older. Well, I'm I'm I think it's really cool that you figured this out and that you shared it with people. You're saying there are some really good cookbooks people could try? And I think if they're interested in it, they should give this a whirl. It obviously sounds inexpensive. Honestly, it's cheaper to eat this way. Right or no?

Matt Fouse 1:19:42
I think yes and no, I think you can eat on a very tight budget plant base. And you can eat very expensive.

Scott Benner 1:19:53
Some of the things that are made by companies that are pre packaged and ready to go can be more expensive. Is that Yeah,

Matt Fouse 1:19:59
then there I think it when if Paltrow has a cookbook, and if you dissect the meals, they come out to be like $300. I mean, it's like all these rare spices that are brought in from an elephant train from, you know, this country.

Scott Benner 1:20:18
So I meant for regular people, not people who, yeah, who read the goop website, but yeah. Which we're not going to talk about some of the things like when it says you should do with your vagina, because I think it sounds unsafe. She's got a very strange website. Let's just say that. Anyway. All right, man, I really appreciate you doing this and taking the time. I suppose. This is wonderful for you to do.

Matt Fouse 1:20:42
Thank you so much for having me. And, uh, I appreciate what you do. And you're thank you for being there. For us.

Scott Benner 1:20:51
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