#798 Chicken Thighs

November 28, 2022Scott Benner

Kristie has type 1 diabetes and she just made a human being.

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Scott Benner 0:00
Hello friends, and welcome to episode 798 of the Juicebox Podcast.

On today's show we're going to speak with Christie. She is an adult living with type one diabetes, and she's going to talk to us today about her journey through pregnancy. While you're listening, please remember that nothing you hear on the Juicebox Podcast should be considered advice, medical or otherwise, always consult a physician before making any changes to your healthcare plan, or becoming bold with insulin. You're on the internet constantly clicking and tapping and swiping. I just need 10 minutes from you. Head to T one D exchange.org. Forward slash juice box join the registry complete the survey. They're looking for people living with type one diabetes, who are US residents, or who are the caregiver of someone with type one. This is all you need to do. There's a great episode about why this is so important but you're going to be helping people with type one. You might be helping yourself you're going to be moving type one diabetes research forward and supporting the podcast all by filling out a survey. T one D exchange.org forward slash juice box

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Kristie 2:14
I'm Christie and I was diagnosed in April of 2020. With type one, it was actually at the height of the pandemic. It was just a few weeks after the whole world shut down. And I can just dive right into my story if you want me to

Scott Benner 2:33
Well, yeah, let me just make sure I understand the timeline correctly from when we're doing it now like are you just up on your two year anniversary?

Kristie 2:40
Just about next week is my two year anniversary.

Scott Benner 2:43
Wow. Cool. That's excellent. I mean, cool in that you're ended up on here at a anniversary. It doesn't matter. Christy what does it matter what when you're doing this? I just I found it interesting that it's been like kind of exactly two years. So yeah. All right. You seem excited to tell me what happens. happened?

Kristie 3:00
Yeah. So my husband and I got married in 2017. And we wanted to start a family in 2019. And after a couple months of trying and not being successful, we decided to go to a fertility clinic. And this was again, kind of as COVID was breaking out was during our first appointment. So he said we're just going to start with some blood work and kind of see if we can see anything from that before we actually have you come into the office. And so I went in for bloodwork and my fasting glucose was 305. They called me and said do you need to see your PCP and find an endocrinologist and figure out what's going on. So that kind of put all the fertility on hold fertility treatments on hold, and really got got to learning about what even diabetes was. So I was originally diagnosed with type two, which is very common to misdiagnosed at the beginning. Especially not having I didn't go into diabetic ketoacidosis I just had the high blood sugars. And so when I first saw my, my PCP, he just kind of walked into the office, you know, again, it's COVID petrified to go anywhere. Double mass walked in, and he's like, so I hate to break it to you, but you have diabetes. And I was like, okay, he's like, so do you know what a carb is? And I chuckled, I was like, yes. You know, I'm relatively familiar with nutrition and I had done the keto diet in the past and knew what carbs were. He said, Okay, avoid those and you'll be fine. And here's a prescription for Metformin, and kind of set me on my way.

Scott Benner 4:45
I have a couple of questions. Yeah, let's start with one that you can't really answer. Who do you think? thought let's call primary care physicians PCPs, also known as Angel Dust, a didn't I mean like Don't? Don't you always wonder like who comes up with stuff? Like, why is there no one in the room? Here's what I think. I think in every room where something gets named, you need a person like me, who sits there and goes, I think PCP also means Angel. Das, we probably shouldn't use that. You know, instead of people just think, oh, primary care physician. Yeah, that sounds right. We'll do that anyway. Because every time you say that, what I hear is, every time I hear Angel Dust Angel, my other question is, when you decide to have a baby, you want to try to make a baby. I'm being serious. What happens first? Do you get tired of having sex when it doesn't happen? Or do you start worrying that hey, this should have happened by now? Like, what was your first like, were you like, I'm being serious? Like, which? Which came? Yeah.

Kristie 5:45
I really just expected it to happen so quickly. So I'm the youngest of five. And my grandma, my parents had 18 grandchildren from my other siblings. Oh, my goodness. So I was like, Oh, this is gonna be so easy. You know, I'll be pregnant the first month. And so when we were about six or seven months, and I was like, Okay, maybe we should just get things checked out. And kind of did it just as a precaution. You know, most people say it takes at least a year, but I was impatient. And I'm very type A and wanted on a specific timeline.

Scott Benner 6:19
Are you like sitting in that room going like you get me pregnant right now? This is what it has. No pressure at all right? Yeah, yeah. So a lot of fun. You are okay. Okay.

Kristie 6:32
Yeah, so then when it wasn't happening, that's when we decided to check it out. And that's, that's what kind of changed my whole course.

Scott Benner 6:40
Even from his perspective, do you? Do you ever walk like in that process? Did you walk into the bedroom and go, I can't believe we're doing this again? Like it? Did it? Did it get it get? Clinical? I guess, is my question.

Kristie 6:53
Oh, definitely. When you're trying for that long. It definitely it's like, you know, you have all the apps and you're tracking everything. And every morning, I was checking hormones, and it's like, it's like, okay, like I do it again.

Scott Benner 7:05
Okay, so Is it as bad as someone's like looking at their phone while you're having sex or not quite that badly.

Kristie 7:12
It's not that bad. You still get to enjoy it. All right.

Scott Benner 7:15
Excellent. i So wait, tell me again, your grandparents made like, like most of the people under the state my parents.

Kristie 7:23
So I was saying my parents have 18 grandchildren, your parents have 18 grandchildren. So between my four siblings, there's 18 kids. I see.

Scott Benner 7:34
So just even more specifically, your brothers and your sisters have no trouble knocking out the babies. Correct? How much is this? All sisters? Okay, how much of this? Well, I'm probably skipping ahead. Oh, look at me. I almost asked the question that ruins the story. Okay, go ahead. You got so they put you on Metformin. And then what happened?

Kristie 7:56
So I ended up going to Amazon and getting a glucose meter and was taking my blood sugar kind of, you know, a couple of times throughout the day and sent an email through the portal to my doctor saying, hey, you know, I'm still seeing blood sugar's around, you know, 275 300. And he wrote back, stop obsessing about your blood sugar. It'll take a few weeks for the Metformin to kick in,

Scott Benner 8:22
kick in is that how drugs work?

Kristie 8:27
So I again, being type A impatient called Joslin diabetes Center, and just said, you know, I got bloodwork done, my agency was, I think, 11.9. And my fasting again, was 305. And so the operator was like, we will see you tomorrow, we'll get you in right away. And they were able to do a virtual visit and correctly diagnosed me and that day, I had insulin in my body. So it really took kind of advocating for myself and realizing that it just, you know, there was a difference between type two and type one and it just didn't fit the profile of type two.

Scott Benner 9:06
You know, Was I too harsh earlier? Were you calling your primary care physician PCP because he was actually on Angel Dust. You know,

Kristie 9:14
I quickly I quickly dropped that doctor and found a new one right after

Scott Benner 9:18
stop worrying about your health so much.

Kristie 9:21
Well, I think the best thing was the day that he had diagnosed me with type two and put me on the Metformin I said, you know, we're trying to get pregnant with this affect my ability to get pregnant, or does Metformin safer pregnancy. And he said, Oh, diabetes, you should just look at adoption. But that was the most heartbreaking sentence I'd ever heard.

Scott Benner 9:42
This was still the PCP guy. Yeah. Wow. What a bedside manner on him. Hmm. Right. It was a guy, right? There's no way a woman said that to

Kristie 9:51
you. No, it was definitely a guy.

Scott Benner 9:53
I figured. Okay. Wow, how many people do you think right now we're like, I don't know what PCP or Angel Dust is. And I don't understand why they're talking about so much. What age do you have to be to understand that lingo? Do you think?

Kristie 10:06
Probably, yeah, probably 25 plus 30 plus?

Scott Benner 10:09
Yeah, I think if you know what, Molly anyway, I don't know. Listen, I'm a funny person talk about this. I only know these things from television shows I watched as a child. So okay, so you got away from the bad doctor? Who told you not to worry about your who gave you Metformin, not even a meter sent you home? And then when you checked on your own health, told you, please stop paying so close attention to this. And by the way, you probably shouldn't have children. Yeah, so no good information came from this doctor whatsoever. No, not at all. Geez. Hey, did you know if you go to my link contour next.com forward slash juice box. There's a place there where you could actually get a meter right through Amazon. Just wanted to throw that in for people because apparently you guys are buying stuff on Amazon. So please, you could still use my link. I know that was inappropriate. Let's move on. So you get to Jocelyn and I assume they give you I mean, they they to appropriate testing to find out that you have type one diabetes. Yeah. So

Kristie 11:11
they diagnosed me with Lauda with the we had an episode on late and autoimmune diabetes and adults. So I was 30 when I was diagnosed, and when they looked back at bloodwork, I had had a relative Lee higher fasting glucose a year prior. And my great PCP hadn't flagged it or really done anything about it at the time, but it was evident that my pancreas was slowly losing its function.

Scott Benner 11:42
I assume that Dr. Just thought you had had a sandwich before coming in. So yeah, that's fine. She probably had something with bread. Don't worry about it. Well, what a what a go getter. Jeez. Oh, yeah. Does it make you look back at the other things that you had seen this doctor for in the past? And do you like wander through all of them?

Kristie 12:03
Well, luckily, I had only seen him for about two years before. So I had just moved to my village back to my hometown. And so I just started seeing him.

Scott Benner 12:15
Is this a case of a small town doctor or an older person?

Kristie 12:20
Very small town rural hospital.

Scott Benner 12:24
Okay, like the only doctor there? Yeah, yeah. Like if he if he doesn't kill like half of you. It's a good thing. He's like, I saved half of what do you want for me? Like that vibe? Yeah, I gotcha. Do you pay him and chickens? How rural is? Well, not that well. Okay. So he took money and everything. You didn't have to bake a pie in exchange for like a thermometer or something like that? Which doesn't that sound better? By the way?

Kristie 12:53
It does. I was just gonna say, with all the baking I was doing in March of 2020.

Scott Benner 12:58
All of all of us are inside. Like, we should bake something, cook something I was making potato chips for a while? And do you have any idea how much time that?

Kristie 13:09
Well, that was a big one. He diagnosed me as type two. I was like, Wow, all the bread I made the cakes and the cupcakes like I really killed myself. That's just, you know, I had that assumption that that's how you cause diabetes. And of course, I learned so much more of the last two years.

Scott Benner 13:26
So how long did it take you to? I mean, it sounds like you're the type of person who's gonna dig right in. So you know, what was care like in the beginning.

Kristie 13:35
So at the beginning, definitely was a little bit more challenging, because of everyone's telling me to restrict carbs. But you know, everybody said, the long term complications of type one. And I immediately was like, I'm only 30. I want to live a long life. And I wanted to have, you know, that flat CGM line. And so I'd say the first couple of months, I definitely really struggled with food issues. It was really hard to kind of go into the summer with the world kind of opening up a little bit. I live in a resort town. And so it was summer and the beach and everything was fun. And I was sitting there like, oh, I don't want to have ice cream. I don't want to do any carbs. I need to keep my sugar's under control. And just kind of it's just said those first couple months, like mentally were really challenging because I knew I wanted to prevent long term complications, but thought that the only way to do that was to restrict and that was not how I want to live the rest of my life.

Scott Benner 14:37
Yeah. So what were you when you were really restricting what were you eating?

Kristie 14:42
A lot of eggs. A lot of eggs and bacon. And like chicken thighs and veggies vary keto based, kind of 3030 carbs 30 to 50 carbs a day,

Scott Benner 14:54
right. chicken thighs that was so specific. Christy.

Kristie 14:57
I hate to compress so much. Coming to

Scott Benner 15:02
you from the south. No, northeast. Northeast but you like you like a darker chicken meat? Yeah, a little greasy. Look at you. How'd you how'd you prepare it? I don't. This has nothing to do with anything. Just in the oven baked in the oven. Yeah. Interesting. Look at you. You're You're a different kind. Christie, I like you. Okay. Christy wants the thighs. That's for sure. Like chicken breasts. Oh,

Kristie 15:33
it's so dry.

Scott Benner 15:34
It's what eat this garbage. So funny. I don't know why I was so amused by that I was really taken by that as like, because most people would have just said chicken. You don't I mean? Yeah, like chickens. chicken pies, dammit. Don't give me any of that white meat. The stuff that people say is healthy. I don't want that at all. That's excellent. Okay, so Alright, so you have a skewed vision of what you're supposed to be doing at first, I understand it, by the way, because for five seconds. I've said this on the podcast before but somebody. It turned out my iron was very low. I was just unhealthy. But my dentist looked at me one day and said, Are you sure you don't have type two diabetes? And I was like, I don't think so. But even in the 24 to 48 hours that it took me to get to a physician. I had trouble making myself eat. It was interesting how it impacted me. Like right away. I became I don't know just paranoid about food. Yeah. And that, that. So I do. I think I understand what you're talking about a little bit there. How long did that last? That process of just eating chicken thighs and eggs?

Kristie 16:47
Um, so that was probably till about July or August.

Scott Benner 16:52
How long was that in months? Do you think?

Kristie 16:54
Oh, like three months? Okay. So I had amazingly gotten my agency down to 5.5 in July. And that was really just through that restricted eating and really not having a fun life. And then I specifically remember the day in August, when I went to work out. And I've made kind of a home gym during COVID and had a low blood sugar. And it was just like feeling really defeated. Like this is just too much to conquer. I, you know, not eating what I want to eat. I can't work out like I usually do. And I went on to Facebook to find a support group. And they recommended listening to the Juicebox Podcast. And so it was literally that day in my gym, I started to listen to the podcasts and was like, wait, I can eat cars, and have a normal life and have a normal agency and not have these long term complications. So that's really kind of when everything kind of turned around for how it was managing and kind of not having to have this food restrictions and fear food. Lifestyle.

Scott Benner 18:02
How many chickens have I saved?

Kristie 18:05
A lot of chickens?

Scott Benner 18:06
I have right? I am. Yeah, I've liberated chickens. Oh, now I'm feeling good about this. Okay, great. I was gonna call this episode thighs and eggs. But I might now consider myself the great liberator of chickens and the episode. But so the podcast? Well, what happened to me you started thinking, maybe this this guy voice notice something about using insulin like I could figure this out?

Kristie 18:34
Definitely. And I think one of the biggest things was hearing about the Omni pod. And so when I first was diagnosed, I didn't even want the Dexcom I didn't want anything. I was like I don't want to wear anything on my body. I didn't want anyone to know I was diagnosed. I should also backtrack and say I had a lot of kind of like work stress going on. So I was the president of our Chamber of Commerce, the executive director. So helping businesses get through COVID. And at the same time, I serve on my town Select Board, which is kind of like a city councilor. So trying to save the town trying to save all the businesses and also trying to learn how to save my life and deal with diabetes. And so I didn't really want to be wearing anything was nervous or, like what people would think that I had this perception that people would think that I couldn't lead having this complication. Oh, wow. And really, yeah, I think just mentally I just thought it again, just kind of thought it was going to interfere with kind of the perception of me, which I now realized it I think it makes me stronger and more badass, but I can handle everything and you know, monitor my blood sugar's daily. Yeah, maybe

Scott Benner 19:46
we'll save that belltower. Exactly. Isn't that the theme of like, half of the movies in the 80s, right, like a town has to sell save a bell tower or something like that. What's that back to the future? We're getting off the subject here. Hold on. That is really well it's it's not surprising I guess that you would think I don't want people to know especially being diagnosed so late and you make a good point about all the different stressors fit in the one you left out was that you? Did you still think you couldn't have kids at that point?

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Kristie 22:57
So at that point, it was actually one of the first podcasts I listened to was somebody. They were talking postpartum about their pregnancy. So I was like, okay, I can get pregnant with type one. And that's really why I started to kind of look into it and research and I switched endocrinologist to somebody who specializes in pregnancy, but type one. So trying to get that ball moving as well. Nice. Yeah, it was really being put on the Omni pod is what helped me because my insulin doses were so small at the beginning. And I don't know if this is common with everybody, but they started me off on the sliding scale. Where if your blood sugar's you know, say above 150, you take half a unit of insulin when you go to eat, but they don't account for any of the carbs that you're eating.

Scott Benner 23:48
Yeah, so the good old sliding scale.

Kristie 23:51
Yeah, so I'd be like, okay, my blood sugars are under 150, I'm not gonna take insulin, and then I eat what I wanted to eat. And I would, you know, go through the roof. So none of that made sense to me. And it was kind of listening to the podcast about, you know, your example of tug of war and like, the insulin has to get in your body and be able to compete with the carbs. And then I realized you actually had to take the insulin for the number of carbs. So I ended up meeting with my endocrinologist in September and was like, I think I know my insulin to carb ratio, and this is what it is, and I want to be on a pump and like, can you set all this up for me? She was like, Okay, nice to meet you.

Scott Benner 24:29
Hey, everyone, Christine here, and she doesn't need us so much. How did they How did the doctor accept that? Was that excited for them? Were they like, oh, great, this person knows what's up. Let's just double check it or is it off putting to them? How did you

Kristie 24:44
know she was really excited? And I think it makes their lives easier when they don't have to do as much work or, you know, constantly over explain, like I feel like they monitor my first appointment. They again always go into it with a longterm The impacts are and all the complications and she kind of started off with, you seem to already have a good control on this and as long as you kind of keep maintaining it, you know, you'll you'll be in the clear.

Scott Benner 25:13
I'm feeling like I deserve some money from these appointments now because you're right, she got paid that day. What do you think your insurance probably paid her a few $100 Don't you think?

Kristie 25:24
Well, that was the thing during my pregnancy. You have to meet every couple of weeks and she'd be like, Oh, I'm not gonna make any changes because you already did is like yeah, I already did all this. I don't even need an endo.

Scott Benner 25:35
Don't forget to pay us on the way out and then Scott, anything yeah, basically I this baby. Let's just jump to the this this baby named Scott. Yes, sir. No. Dammit. Okay, that's fine. Did getting your blood sugar's under control, make it easier to get pregnant.

Kristie 25:53
So we ended up still going through fertility treatments. But we were successful in April of last year, getting pregnant regulations.

Scott Benner 26:02
So because I was wondering, like the whole time you're telling the story. I was like, I wonder if her blood sugar gets back in range if she gets pregnant, or if it just makes the IVF possible. So I wasn't certain where it would go, how many rounds did you have to go to get pregnant?

Kristie 26:17
We did two rounds. And we ended up being successful with an IUI which is kind of the precursor to idea. Oh, can you? I don't know what that

Scott Benner 26:25
is IUI. It's

Kristie 26:26
an intra uterine either.

Scott Benner 26:30
You don't know what it is.

Kristie 26:33
Uterine insemination, I think. And intrauterine insemination.

Scott Benner 26:41
So what is they just like? Is it like turkey baster time? Is that what they just took the boys and jam them? Yeah, I gotcha. All right. I feel like you need a lot of big words for that. So it doesn't sound like what it is. I understand why they. So what's the difference? Can I ask like, what's, I can't believe this? What's the difference between your your husband's penis still in it? And whatever they use? Do they take it more to the source or so it doesn't have to travel this far? Yes.

Kristie 27:08
Yes. They have the two posts a little bit deeper. So

Scott Benner 27:13
drops it right on. So they don't walk first. Right. I gotcha.

Kristie 27:22
And so that ended up being successful, which we're about to start IVF. And we're very lucky.

Scott Benner 27:28
Yeah, well, yeah. It sounds like it's a nice if not easier, but maybe easier, but also probably less expensive. And a number of other things, no drugs, right.

Kristie 27:38
We still use drugs, just to try to increase the number of eggs to I'm sure that it will be successful. But I would say typically, IUI is of a very low success rate, people do a couple just to try before they go to IVF. So I was very lucky to be successful. And I really think it was I had kind of everything in line with my blood sugar's I had gotten diagnosed with Hashimotos in the fall, and had to kind of get my thyroid under control. And so it wasn't till about January. So that was kind of 10 months, eight to 10 months after being diagnosed with type one that we were able to start resuming the fertility treatments.

Scott Benner 28:19
Oh, and the Hashimotos came after the Typhon

Kristie 28:23
Yes, so probably the two were related, but nobody tested my thyroid

Scott Benner 28:27
at the time you think maybe they they both might have Oh, interesting. I have more questions now. Anyone else in your family like all those those girls that you're related to the sisters? Did they have any autoimmune stuff?

Kristie 28:40
No other sibling but both my parents have hypothyroidism

Scott Benner 28:45
interesting. And there's 18 grandchildren

Kristie 28:50
and all of them are fine I won the jackpot with the auto autoimmune diseases the

Scott Benner 28:55
listen I'm what I'm hearing is I've got 18 more possibilities of people that could be on this podcast one day, so I don't want to jinx anybody but you know, let's keep them aware of the show because I'm going to need content moving forward. I mean, that's really going to be interesting for you I obviously don't wish any ill will on anyone but 18 people descended from three are sisters you gotta like I mean I wouldn't bet on it but maybe I would like it maybe I'd start like a like a raffle thing or somewhere you bet money on the kids or i It seems wrong let's take that back. I don't mean that but I do think it will you know when you pick the squares for the Super Bowl right? I don't think you should do this but it's a delightful I don't know why I'm amused by this idea. I know I shouldn't be but yeah, you put all the kids names on a little chart and people lay money on it and then somebody wins the pot one day

Kristie 29:48
that would be right chose me they'd been big.

Scott Benner 29:51
Okay, then you have to already you have anything else coming? You feel anything coming on? Or? Or is it been pretty good since then?

Kristie 30:00
No, it's been pretty good since then, with pregnancy, I was definitely at risk for preeclampsia. And with that, they think that's also an autoimmune and I ended up with postpartum preeclampsia.

Scott Benner 30:13
They think preeclampsia is autoimmune.

Kristie 30:17
They're starting to dig into that. And yeah, that's what my OB was talking to me about. And I was confused as to how they were. They were monitoring throughout the whole pregnancy for preeclampsia. And I ended up with postpartum so it's three days postpartum, that my blood pressure skyrocketed.

Scott Benner 30:37
And I ah, article here is preeclampsia an autoimmune disease from Wow 2009. Numerous recent studies have shown that women with preeclampsia possess antigen tensin receptor agonist I should not be saying these words auto antibodies that bind to and activate receptors instruction of these auto antibodies in pregnant mice. Look at that. I'll be done. And that interesting. We'll learn a lot here in this generation of doctors, not your PCP. He was an idiot. He's out there doctors seem to sometimes understand what's going on. Wow. So how was the pregnancy? Did it go pretty? Well, it sounds like you're really whelming tamed as far as your blood sugar's go.

Kristie 31:28
Yes. So I really got to experiment with insulin with all of the insulin resistance. And I, you know, very thankful to be able to have Dexcom and Omni pod. And I worked with Jenny from Integrated diabetes services, and was just be able to have a very successful pregnancy may when she was under 5.1, the whole pregnancy. And then I did deliver at 37 weeks just because my blood pressure started to increase.

Scott Benner 32:01
Okay, was that does that cause any issues or No?

Kristie 32:06
Nope, they were able to induce me. And after 31 hour labor, I had my son. It was fun. I actually didn't find out the sex during the pregnancy. And so it was really fun for that surprise, but I really, it was a long lever. So it was a good surprise at the end.

Scott Benner 32:26
31 hours a very long time. You were like in just 31 hours later. Just a day or so later, the baby came? Well, yeah, definitely wasn't done cooking yet. You were just done baking him. That's all. So yes. How much did the baby when

Kristie 32:41
he was six pounds, eight ounces.

Scott Benner 32:43
Nice. And at any point that we consider naming them Scott.

Kristie 32:47
Unfortunately, now

Scott Benner 32:48
wasn't ever joked about. Did you ever think of it in the back of your mind for a split second? Hey, the guy on the podcast is probably gonna want me to name this baby after him. Maybe really? All right. No, you didn't think about it like fine. That's how it's healthy for me to know you didn't think about it at all. I appreciate that. It actually it's good for me. I and even if you did think about lying to me is the right way to go. Because it makes you sound like a really so nice, healthy, baby. Everything's been good. How long did you give birth? Oh, he's three months. Wow. So new. Yeah, you're making me sad. It's been fun. Yeah, it's the best time really. It's, I'm just my son's finishing up college and you're making me sad. You to make me sad. Don't hold on us. Like a little air on my face here. I don't want to get all likes my kids. You know, he's in his last few weeks of college. It's his last few weeks of college baseball most likely unless he goes and plays a grad year somewhere or something like that. So since a lot of things coming to an end of my life that I thought of is what my life was about. You know what I mean? So Oh, yeah, try to

Kristie 34:06
I just went back to work and just dropping him off. We're lucky. Both grandparents live in the same town. So the grandmothers are watching him and just dropping him off at daycare. It's like a huge adjustment. We cried. And he's like, Well, this is just one phase and we're gonna cry kindergarten drop off and high school and college and everything else. Yeah, I

Scott Benner 34:27
cried. When Cole got on the bus for kindergarten the first time. I went back in the house and basically fell apart. My wife's like, are you okay? Then she laughed at me for a while. It was not pleasant. But I was very upset. I had been with him like every second for five years, you know, basically. And then all of a sudden I just put them in like a giant like tin can missile with a lady I didn't know and I was like, here you can drive them away now and it was very upsetting. I will tell you that. I know everyone's gonna say it to you and You're going to think you're hearing it. But it goes by way faster than you think it's going to. It just I, there's no way to prepare you for it. Because days feel like they take forever and weeks feel like they take months and months feel like they take years. I know that that like while you're living life, you can't tell the passage of time. But it is absolutely shocking how quickly it happens.

Kristie 35:23
So, yeah, trying to enjoy every moment. Yeah,

Scott Benner 35:27
do your best is. It's the it's the one thing I wish I could fix. Which is time passing. And I don't think I'm gonna figure that out. I figured out the diabetes thing pretty well. I wouldn't look for a Scott stop stops time podcasts coming anytime soon. I don't I don't think I can. Although I guess if I figure it out. I've got all the time in the world. But that's not the point. Yeah, I haven't been working on that as what I'm saying. If I do I will. I think I know exactly. Some of the days I'll go back to it just sit around and stare at for a few years. But anyway, are you thinking of more children? Or are you going to like stick with the one baby situation for a while.

Kristie 36:06
Just one for a little while. With having the postpartum preeclampsia. I think that was a lot. So for anyone who doesn't know that's high blood pressure. And it was just like one more thing to manage. So I became a new mom was managing blood sugars, and then all of a sudden had to take my blood pressure a couple of times a day. And, you know, just be on the lookout for all the different symptoms of higher low blood pressure. And it just is a very overwhelming experience to kind of be thrown at everything at once.

Scott Benner 36:40
Was your husband working? Were you on your own during it? During the day?

Kristie 36:44
He had three weeks of maternity leave?

Scott Benner 36:47
Okay, it's still you're you've done it for over two months. How long? Does it take the preeclampsia or has it not? resolved?

Kristie 36:55
It has not resolved yet.

Scott Benner 36:57
Wow. What's the expectation?

Kristie 37:00
They say it can take days, weeks or months?

Scott Benner 37:05
Well, that's a polite way of saying we don't know. Yeah. Christy, you know, all the measurements we have for time could take any of those. So well, what what's been your experience so far? Is your blood pressure elevated or lowered? Or does it bounce around?

Kristie 37:24
About the first six weeks it was elevated and then it finally did stabilize but I'm still on medication. And now it's it's pretty stable with the medication. But looking forward to not having to take one more medicine a day.

Scott Benner 37:38
You're comfortable that your Hashimotos is well maintained.

Kristie 37:42
Oh, so postpartum, it flipped and I got thyroiditis and had hyperthyroidism. Like I said postpartum was like it was a beast. So as much as I loved pregnancy, and I love my son, I'm not sure what to do postpartum again.

Scott Benner 37:58
Hey, listen. Whateley drawers on the wall, or takes a crap on your floor or something like that. You'd be like, yes, was fine. Once good. Okay, so you had so tell me about this. So the baby comes out we and then you? How long until you your hypothyroidism turns to the hyperthyroidism.

Kristie 38:20
So I'm not actually sure and they didn't diagnose me until 12 weeks, but every time they checked, my TSH, it was extremely low. And they just kept reducing my medicine, check it again, extremely low, reduce my medicine. So finally at 12 weeks, they said, Well, I think we can tell you that it's postpartum thyroiditis, and it should stabilize shortly. Again. Good a good time measurements.

Scott Benner 38:48
Yeah, you know, weeks, months or years, perhaps even days. Did Has that happened yet?

Kristie 38:55
It hasn't happened yet. So they're still just adjusting the medicine.

Scott Benner 39:00
So are you taking any Synthroid, are you on Synthroid? Yes. I'm still taking How much do you know how many micrograms?

Kristie 39:09
75 five days a week.

Scott Benner 39:12
Oh, I see what they're doing. Okay, that's still 70 fives not I mean, that's a fair dose for an adult sized person. So and your and your TSH is still like, is it what is it? Is it in the ones is it lower?

Kristie 39:26
Lower like point one.

Scott Benner 39:27
Wow. Why are they giving you any at all then I wonder? You know, I was wondering the same thing. Like because you could just move on because you're not going to know when it flips back. I mean, how many blood tests have you had in the last couple of weeks?

Kristie 39:41
It's like every three weeks we've been testing it.

Scott Benner 39:44
Yeah, cuz that's that's the problem is that they probably think it's just going to stop and then they don't want you without the medication when it actually stops. Right. How is being hyper different from being hypo?

Kristie 39:58
You know, they're very similar like It's a lot of fatigue, which I was like, Oh, my new mom, of course I'm fatigued. The only big thing that I noticed was the heart palpitations.

Scott Benner 40:10
Oh, okay. They're scary too, aren't they? Yes. Yeah. How often? Were you having them?

Kristie 40:18
At least every day? Fun times?

Scott Benner 40:21
Are they gone now? Or no? Yes. Okay. Well, that's good. I, you don't? I mean, how many things do you need going? Are you breastfeeding on top of all that?

Kristie 40:35
Oh, yeah. So there would be days where I'd be like, Oh, I'm having heart palpitations. We're gonna check my blood pressure and my blood sugar. Oh, and I'm in the middle of breastfeeding. So my husband come in like one arm. He's taking my blood glucose, the other arm? He's taking my blood pressure?

Scott Benner 40:51
How? How has that been on your relationship? So far?

Kristie 40:56
It's been good. I mean, I really lucked out. We've been together 11 years. And he's, you know, he's always been my best friend. But he really has like, taken all this on and, and just been such an amazing support person. And, you know, I think it's challenging having a son now. Like, when we were in the hospital, it was like, Oh, my gosh, do I, my son had a low blood sugar when he was born. So I was like, do I go to the NICU with him or stay with you? Because I had a postpartum hemorrhage. And he's like, I'm so used to being the caregiver. He didn't know which way to go. Obviously, with my son. It was I think he's really, he's thriving in the role.

Scott Benner 41:33
Excellent. So hold on a second. So I have to wrap my head around your situation here. There's many, many things happening here. What what Tell me again, why did you have to go to the hospital?

Kristie 41:47
Oh, when my son was born, he had a low blood sugar at delivery.

Scott Benner 41:53
Okay, all right. Okay, that hasn't been a problem.

Kristie 41:58
No, no, it was just one and they attributed it to him being born at 37 weeks and a 31 hour labor.

Scott Benner 42:06
Okay, he was just cold, hungry. He was stuck in there. He was he was on that slip and slide way too long. It was like, Listen, I'm wet and I'm cold. And I haven't eaten anything. This lady How did your blood sugar's react after he like during that long? Delivery? Like so? Did you still need the the jacked up insulin that you needed in the third trimester? And then how soon? No, you didn't not during the delivery or not in the trimester,

Kristie 42:34
not during the delivery. So during the delivery, I ended up cutting back because I was induced. I was on Pitocin. And I couldn't eat anything. So Pitocin helps speed up the delivery. And so without eating anything, I just cut back my basil. I think like 20%. I was this is a great tip that I got on Facebook was I used the sugar main app to have my blood sugar's on display. So wherever I was in the hospital room, I could still see all my blood sugar's were. So we could kind of see if they were rising or falling pretty quickly. And didn't have to pull up my phone every five seconds, or have the nurses prick my finger.

Scott Benner 43:18
You and your husband were kind of managing that in conjunction with the health care team or just on your own.

Kristie 43:22
On our own, we actually were fighting very hard to manage my own blood sugar. So that was something that was really important to me.

Scott Benner 43:28
Was it a was it a fight? It was they didn't want you to do it?

Kristie 43:34
No, I gave birth at a big hospital dimensioned them in a rural area. So they couldn't I couldn't deliver a high risk pregnancy here. So in in Boston, they were not happy to have me manage my own chippers.

Scott Benner 43:51
Can we talk a little bit about that? How long was that process of you? badgering them into doing what you wanted? How long did it take you to get? Get that on your, you know, set up the way you wanted it.

Kristie 44:01
Um, it was probably like, three or four hours of going back and forth and then having to, like, I just like signed paperwork and say everything of like, they want to know every time I gave myself insulin, I was like, Oh, I'm on a pump. And they were like, Well, every time you give yourself insulin, let us know. And I was like, No, it gives me like every hour is a basil. And they were like waiting to write it down. I'm not gonna write down every hour while I'm in labor.

Scott Benner 44:27
Every hour, by the way, it's broken out of over the hour. You'd be yelling like, I just got point. Oh, four. I just got point. Oh two. I just got no algorithm for you. Right? You're just using Omnipod straight up. Yes. Okay. And he sounds like so, how did you get? What is my question here? How did you get so proficient about your diabetes in such a short amount of time?

Kristie 44:55
Um, I think as I mentioned being type A and then I My background is in data analytics. And so I kind of looked at Dexcom and was like, Okay, here's where I see trends, how can I fix it? And obviously, it just kind of being COVID in the world slowing down a little bit. I had a lot of time to do research and listen to podcasts. Yeah,

Scott Benner 45:16
I understand it time really is the time to look at it, and enough understanding to make sense of what you're saying. Right. That's it.

Kristie 45:26
Yeah, and I think it just really helped some of like, things that I had early on, you know, I had worked with a nutritionist who had type one. And she was telling me how important it is to Pre-Bolus. So basically, the first day that I started using insulin, I was Pre-Bolus thing. And then I was learning that other people were like, Oh, I don't Pre-Bolus And I was like, No, you have to like that's, that's how I was taught to use insulin. So it just, it wasn't difficult for me to start introducing it. As soon as I think I'm gonna have a snack. I take insulin, and I set a timer for 15 minutes.

Scott Benner 45:59
Wow. Good for you. It's a It's that easy. Not all the time. No, I was gonna say also nothing about this story is really easy. I mean, you had trouble getting pregnant, you had trouble getting through to a doctor, you. I mean, you get pregnant, there's issues with your pregnancy. Your Hashimotos is, you know, morphing in and out. Like a bad sci fi movie just turning from one thing to another. You're managing that along with the preeclampsia along with being scared. I mean, honestly, how scary was it when the baby's blood sugar was low? Oh, super scary. Yeah, my wife, my son didn't warm up for a couple of hours. And I remember just being scared about that. They're like, we can't bring you the baby yet. He's not warm enough. And I was like, what? And you know, there was a knot as umbilical cord when he came out. And something like you don't know what you're doing. I remember I know I've said this on here before but the I cut coals umbilical cord, and they are holding the scissors. And he comes out and the doctor's like running though the umbilical coordinate this not an IC the not I point to it, I go, is that a problem? And he holds up the baby, indicating to me baby's alive. And he goes, apparently not cut it here. And you know even that you're like, Well, isn't the thing how he breathes? Like the cord is not where the air and the like I pretty sure I learned that in health class. Like so there's this stuff you don't know. And all of a sudden you care about something more than anything else in the whole world. And you're trying to you're trying to make sense of it. I would think that low blood sugar thing. I mean, did you wonder for a second, the baby got insulin through you?

Kristie 47:44
Oh, there were so many things running through my head and the so mentally gave birth at a big institution. And so they had you know, 100 doctors and as a teaching hospital and everybody's in the room, it was great. Not really. They are like, Oh, it's because that the moms diabetic that the baby has a low blood sugar. And you know, in that moment, like very much like I'm blaming myself and crying and my blood sugar's had been between like 80 and 110 throughout the whole delivery. And I just kept saying like what, you know, what did I do wrong? And I was very lucky that I had hired a doula who also had type one. And she very quickly was like, Could this also be because he's cold? And, you know, he was having trouble warming up? And they said, Well, yeah, that's that could also be a factor. And it was like, they just immediately jumped to it because I was diabetic, they get a low blood sugar. And it was, you know, traumatizing for me as well. Like, you know, I just spent nine months growing this human and I felt like I had failed right off the bat.

Scott Benner 48:46
I heard somebody say recently, something that I've thought, kind of privately most of my adult life, I've never, I don't know how much I've said it out loud or not where I'm being recorded. But, um, medicines a thing, we're still figuring out. You know, we don't, we don't know everything about the body and about medication, about surgery and about procedures and all the stuff that goes along with being alive and the things you need to stay alive. You know, all the things that have to happen so that you don't die along the Oregon Trail when you're 17. You know, like, my appendix needed to come out and stuff like that. I mean, we know a lot and doctors do an amazing job, but there's still a lot more to know. And they're not perfect, and they don't certainly know everything. But we hope they do or act like they do like I don't know exactly, but that um, oh, the mom has diabetes. I heard blood sugar. That's probably because of the diabetes lady right here like they don't I guarantee you the person that said that out loud. Didn't know that as a fact. They just put two and two together and set it out loud. Yeah, the problem with human beings is we don't know everything. So but we act like we do, and write good on So if we didn't know, I mean, how would there be any podcast? I know. And I'll just be mine. I mean, all of them. Were everybody's like, here's what I think. Great. So are you? I mean, I think we've heard here you're thinking just one baby, which I'm on board with, by the way. But overall, glad you did it still.

Kristie 50:22
Yeah. Oh, yeah. Yeah. I love being a mom. That's excellent.

Scott Benner 50:27
It's just it's, you know, it's an important question to ask, because there could be people here, all that and go. I'm not doing all that. I mean, not that some of the things that happened to you are going to happen to everybody. But know. Your parents pretty proud. I imagine that you got Hashimotos to just like keeping the family tradition go. Oh, yeah. We're how aware of their Hashimotos they've Hashimotos. Are they not autoimmune? Do you? How aware of that with your parents were you like growing up?

Kristie 51:07
Not aware at all, just, you know, I remember my mom actually had her thyroid removed at one point. And she's kind of I was in college, and she called, she's like going into surgery. And I'll call you when I get out. And never really thought that much about her having thyroid issues, that it would impact me. So I'd never had ever researched it, or new signs to look out for it. And I look back, and I'm like, I'm pretty sure I've had Hashimotos for like, five years before I got diagnosed.

Scott Benner 51:37
Can I tell you that that part that haunts me about being a parent, with my daughter having autoimmune issues. I don't want my kids to waste time or to have poor health and not know why. Like, like, I constantly think about like, should I just sit down and write down everything I know? Or would that freak them out? Like maybe I'll just stay alive and call them every six months and ask them how they're feeling? You know what I mean? Like, but you know, I'm saying like, if you had this for five years, you look back now in hindsight, you see how it impacted you? Right? Yeah, like and isn't that does that sorry, looking at your posts, you're still just had a baby? I shouldn't say anything sad do But doesn't that make you sad? A little bit?

Kristie 52:21
It really does. And, you know, I look at kind of like my quality of life. I was always fatigued, always, you know, exhausted. And I just always chalked it up to the fact that I was busy. Now I had a really high profile job. I had ran for public office, it was like I was always on the go and doing things. So I was like, of course, I'm tired. You know, I'm working a lot. And it's, it was so much more than that. And I kind of felt that when I got diagnosed with type one, it was my body saying like, please just stop doing everything you're doing. I ended up quitting my job. And I just kind of got a new job. That's way less stressful. And I really kind of dived into my health. And previously, I'd always kind of been, quote, healthy. You know, I was a runner, I was a spin instructor. I ate healthy. And so like, outside, I looked healthy, but I felt like on the inside. My body was just kind of overstressed and overworked and just kind of helps me stop and reevaluate life, which I think COVID did for a lot of people, but it was really kind of this diagnosis that made me pause.

Scott Benner 53:27
Oh, yeah, there's a ton of people every thought thanks. Because I can't go into any store now and get service with any kind of expediency. People are like, we don't have enough. There's not enough people working our it's my first day. I'm like, Okay, I'm just I'll stand here. Just yeah, everyone lost their will to make money. I need you ball out there. Again, get out there. I didn't stop making this podcast, you don't get to stop going to work, then, you know, just live the American dream. work yourself into the ground and die. All right. I need my Nuggets. Or whatever

Kristie 54:03
it is. Like I said, I am in a resort town. So it is challenging. We have we have no workers and with the paws on J one visas and h two BBSes we've had a very challenging two years and it doesn't look like it's getting better anytime soon.

Scott Benner 54:19
Yeah, well, listen, everyone's gonna run out of money pretty soon, and they'll go right back to work. Don't worry. You know, listen, it's nice to talk about in that kind of like, you know, real progressive way and I agree with you, like we shouldn't work ourselves into the ground, you know, etc. There's too much stressed with work, but what really is the alternative? Because the alternative sounds like no money and no place to live. So, you know, I think you got to get into this is I mean, you want to try to change society, okay. But for the moment, like this is how it works. And, you know, people have been working themselves into a heart attack for many generations in America. It's a tradition so Keep up the tradition. Do your part Christie.

Kristie 55:06
Or you can find the happy medium. Yeah, a bit less stress and some time to be a mom.

Scott Benner 55:10
That's excellent. That's really great. So are you working every day of the week? Do you work from home? Do you work out of place of business you have to go to.

Kristie 55:19
So I'm working from home, which has been really nice to kind of ease back into it.

Scott Benner 55:24
Nice. That's excellent. I don't think Kelly's ever leaving. I said, I was like, why don't you go back to work? The Office everybody's okay. Now they say you don't even have to wear a mask on an airplane. Get out of here. Yes, silly kid. It's just like, I get more done here. And I'm like, I know. But

Kristie 55:42
yeah, it's so my husband's the same. He's been able to work remotely, since COVID. And now, everything's opening back up. And he's still remote. So it was definitely interesting with both of us being home for the past three months. And trying to get work done and just being in the same space as much as we've been.

Scott Benner 56:02
Yeah, a lot. A lot of office buildings that aren't being used right now. I keep wondering what anybody's gonna do with them.

Kristie 56:08
Like, well, it's like malls are not as much use anymore.

Scott Benner 56:12
Yeah, yeah, no, I was at a mall recently. They're very sad. Used to be a bustling place. And now you're walking and you're like, anyone else here. I feel weird.

Kristie 56:24
Just there to get some exercise,

Scott Benner 56:25
I just need to walk around and go to the Apple store and look at the things I can't afford that I'm gonna leave out of here. I need a pair of sneakers. That's really something, you know, so at the beginning, you said you love telling your story? Have I let you tell it? Or are you not gonna do anything? We're doing good?

Kristie 56:42
No, that that was? Yeah, that was just No, I think the the education out there. I always tell everybody, you know, how I was misdiagnosed, and how you have to be an advocate for yourself. And I feel like, that's what I've really learned over the past two years from everything from as calling Jocelyn myself and getting an endocrinologist. And then throughout my whole labor, and pregnancy, just I kept having to advocate for everything that I wanted. And I feel like this is kind of like not enough people know that, that they're in charge when they are at hospitals. And they think that the doctors know everything, which they do know more than us. But a lot of times you know your own body a lot better.

Scott Benner 57:23
In fairness to your statement, Christy, everything that happened to you was met by misinformation from a doctor. I mean, they got the baby out, but also took him 31 hours. So Well, I think that's just nature. I know. But while we're busy blaming them, let's blame them for that as well. Yeah, maybe the 31 hour thing? No, but everything else from the Pete from the original PC. I guess? You were pretty happy with your OB, right?

Kristie 57:54
Yes, I did luck out with a really great OB. Good.

Scott Benner 57:58
Okay. But I mean, they brought everybody it sounds like everybody in Boston saw your hoo, ha, right? They brought everybody into the room, and then made you feel bad. Oh, yeah.

Kristie 58:08
And they were, they just kept telling me, it is medically necessary to get this baby out. And like, one sentence I heard the whole time I was there. Now I was like, I think we're okay. Because, you know, I had gone in really wanting a different birth experience than I had. And I wasn't excited about being at a big hospital. And so I pushed back on every single thing. And every time I pushed back, it was like, it is medically necessary. It's like, is it really? Is it life or death right now? Once you reach life or death, I'll give it but until that point, I'm going to keep advocating

Scott Benner 58:40
for you. That's really something that's great. What else? Is there anything I didn't ask you that I should have?

Kristie 58:49
What can I can think of?

Scott Benner 58:53
I feel like we did such a good job. I'm just looking up and it hasn't been quite an hour. And I'm like, we did it. But usually it takes longer than this. Did I not talk as much is that what happened? I feel like I've talked a lot. Thinking people are like, Yeah, well, here's what happens. Got you shut up and let her talk. And that's how we got the story.

Kristie 59:11
No, but I'm only two years into it. So

Scott Benner 59:14
yeah, that's right. You don't know enough yet. I didn't have enough to ask you about. Well, what about? There's a couple of things for me to ask you about. So did you find the episodes of the podcast where we talked about pregnancy? The pro tip did you go through the one person who I interviewed at every step along the way? First second trimester all that stuff. Did you hear all was any of that valuable for you?

Kristie 59:40
Oh, definitely. And really just hearing experiences and yeah, it sounds so cliche, but like you, you don't understand things a lot of times until you can see it in somebody else. And so I felt like even when listening to the podcast of that first episode I listened to it was a very similar story. You're talking to somebody The who had gotten diagnosed at 30. And kind of how she was navigating, like a few change jobs and trying to navigate that. And it was like, Hey, here's somebody kind of like me going through the same experience I am and they're okay. And I'm going to be okay. And then just hearing successful pregnancy stories was like, okay, I can do this too. And I was very prepared at every step when I would know when the insulin resistance was going to hit. And now I was able to look at my Dexcom data and be able to evaluate things. You know, I didn't want to be looking in the rearview mirror constantly of like, what was happening the week prior, but I would say, I'd also know, okay, I remember that either hitting, you know, week 32, the resistance was going to kick in a little bit more, and so I would know what to expect. And also be able to look at what was happening.

Scott Benner 1:00:51
Oh, that makes me happy. I'm glad. I just think it's so cool. Like, really, you didn't need to lay the baby after me. I was teasing you. But I'm just, I'm just happy that you, you had a better experience because of this thing we put together here. You know, it's

Kristie 1:01:05
definitely really cool. I think about it. I was like living this life of not eating carbs. And yeah, I know that some people choose to do that. And there's a lot of days where, you know, if I've had a roller coaster day, the next day, I'm like, I'm gonna go easy on the carbs today. But I like having the choice of, okay, I can go easy on the carbs today, or it's my birthday, and I'm going to eat all the cake. And I just now I know how to dose for it. I have the tools to be successful.

Scott Benner 1:01:30
Yeah, no, it's so I'm genuinely like, I have so many feelings about it. That I can't, I can't even I can't get them all out. I'm tickled. Like I'm happy. I'm happy for you. I'm proud of myself for making the thing like it really does like it. It's awesome probably end up saying it over and over again till the end. But I didn't know when I started this that. You know, Christie was going to not have to eat chicken thighs and have a baby and stuff like that. You know what I mean? Like it's, it's cool to reach people and to and to help them. It's hard to put into words. Anyway. If I was on PCP, I could probably be more eloquent. What is Angel Dust? I mean, Christy, don't you feel like we have to find out now because I really don't know. Do you know your big Angel Dust fan? As a child? No. You don't strike me as a drug user at all, by the way. No, fence like Ledeen? Okay, here we go. Then cycling or Fen LIS cycle flicks. I don't know. Pepperdine PCP, also known as Angel List, among other names, is the disconnect of hallucinate. hallucinogenic drug use for mind altering effects PCP may cause hallucinations, distortions, perceptions of sound, and violent behavior. Is this like when they talk? Oh, you can smoke it. snort it? Look at this kid stop listening. Looks like Oh, wow. There's all kinds. It is not a good thing. I'm not saying that. Nobody do nobody do Angel. Schizophrenia. What happens here? Wow, can you get flipped into being a schizophrenic by by smoking the Angel Dust? Definitely don't do that kids. No drugs. I want to say right now, Christie, who is delightful doesn't do drugs. And I've never done drugs either. And you can actually believe that I just know. I just know PCP is Angel. That's that's all I know. That's the extent of my knowledge. Will you stop your child from smoking the weed 20 years from now when they try?

Kristie 1:03:42
Oh, they're gonna have to try if they want to.

Scott Benner 1:03:45
Okay, it's completely Lila. Did you hear cops can smoke weed now? Really? I swear. Christine, do you mind if we take the end of your episode to look up things that I've heard but haven't had time to look into? I think in New Jersey Okay, in New Jersey, the Jersey City Mayor says cops who use marijuana even if they're off duty will be fired. But that's not what I heard. I heard New Jersey cops won't be banned from smoking weed. So I guess you made it. Oh, it's going back and forth. It's turning into a political thing. So I guess they made it legal. So how do you stop somebody from doing something illegal right like vodka is legal so cop can go home and have a gimlet if they want to. Right so if you make the weed legal why can't they go home and have an edible or smoke and now the governor's like he's open to banning off duty hops from using marijuana. Interesting. This is gonna go back and forth forever. Watch New Jersey mess this up. They mess everything else up in New Jersey. By the way, it's just a bunch of banks and pharmaceutical companies and a big highway. There's nothing else here. Don't don't visit we have nothing

Kristie 1:04:59
you where I am, we get a lot of visitors from New Jersey. So we don't like the people from New York or New Jersey?

Scott Benner 1:05:05
Ah, well, you would like me. Although I would drive very fast through your town that would be irritating to you probably. Yeah. And I'd stop and want to use your facilities and stuff. And then I'd spend money while I was there, though. So I need a drink. side of the road kind of a thing. Let's see, what does your husband do for a living?

Kristie 1:05:28
He works at a bank? He does. He's a credit analyst. And does mortgage evaluations.

Scott Benner 1:05:34
Nice. So like a nice little family? We get you are? What are our hopes and dreams for this little baby? What do you plan on being serious? Do you want it to grow up to be relaxed and happy? Or do you want to be a go getter? Or because you you've kind of seemed like you've had both in your life? I mean, you were out there, like doing a lot at one point. And now you're thinking the other way. But how do you think about the baby? Like, what should the baby do?

Kristie 1:06:03
Yeah, it's really interesting. I've never thought about it. But you know, I think I just want him to be happy. I definitely don't want to put as much stress on him as I felt like, I had a lot of stress. I was the first in my family to go to college and graduate, and kind of be this star child. I feel like I don't want to put that pressure on him, especially if he's the only kid. But I think it's more so I just, I'm looking forward to having fun with him.

Scott Benner 1:06:31
Yeah, that's the way to think about I approve your message. Christine, what do you think of that?

Kristie 1:06:36
And I really hope he doesn't get type one. But yeah, if he does, then I have the tools to help them.

Scott Benner 1:06:43
The podcast, you meant the podcast right now. Yeah. Like you'll make him Listen, please. I need the listeners, Christy, I

Kristie 1:06:48
gotta keep this guy. That's all he's done his first three months of

Scott Benner 1:06:52
listening to this. So Oh, my gosh, I I was just interviewing somebody the other day. And I brought this up. So it'll be six months ago, people you might have heard it before. But this this kid, this mom shared this, this image online of this child kind of drew himself as a robot with things on his shoulders talking to him. And one of the things was a juice box, telling him that he could eat whatever he wanted if he balls for it. And she said she couldn't believe like, he's a little kid. But he's hearing the podcast ball. She's listening to it and helping himself that way. I was so like, I thought that was really kind of like adorable. But yeah, I mean, listen, I, I don't, here's where I'm at, if anybody cares. I don't want my kids to live with me for the rest of their lives. Not because I don't like them. But because I don't think it would be healthy for anybody. I want to, I want to be able to die thinking they can take care of themselves. But I do just want them to be happy. But I also think there should be somebody making the nuggets. So I'm very conflicted. I want them to get out there and work and be happy at the same time. Is that possible? Can you work and be happy? I think so. Yeah. But everybody can't have a YouTube channel. Christy. Somebody's gonna have to actually go make the french fries. You know what I mean? Yeah, somebody's gonna write.

Kristie 1:08:14
It's gonna, it's gonna equal itself out and balance itself. I think soon.

Scott Benner 1:08:20
You think so you think like one day, we'll all just have like little tasks that we do and money will be free and you won't need it or something like that? Or what do you think?

Kristie 1:08:28
I don't think I don't think it'll go that far.

Scott Benner 1:08:30
But you're just gonna get all Star Trek,

Kristie 1:08:32
I think that we're starting to figure out ways to balance. I always say like, work life balance, but there's no such thing. But, you know, I think things that have come out of COVID like being able to work from home. Yeah, I think I would have quit my job. Honestly. You'd have to go back three months after giving birth. It's a lot, but being able to ease into it is something that is gonna make me keep working.

Scott Benner 1:08:57
Can I go out? I'm gonna give you a hot take. It's gonna go the other way. Right. I think the working from home thing is ruining people's work life balance, not making it better.

Kristie 1:09:07
Oh, yeah,

Scott Benner 1:09:08
I can see that too. Yeah, I think that it's easier to start working. So you start earlier, you probably go longer. You start to get this feeling. There's nowhere to go. So I might as well do this. If I'm not doing this. What else am I going to do anyway? I think they're getting free work out of us by working from

Kristie 1:09:24
home. Yes, I definitely saw that at the beginning of COVID. It was like 24/7. Non stop. Yeah, it could be alright. There's nothing else.

Scott Benner 1:09:34
I sat down the other night at like 11 o'clock. It was like a Friday night. And I was like, I'm gonna edit another podcast. No, I mean, it's a you know, it's a business I own. So I mean, I obviously didn't have to do it if I didn't want to, but I'm just saying like, my wife was out somewhere. And I was like, I have nothing to do. I'm not tired. I mean, I'll go to work. If I had to go into an office building. I would not have gotten in my car and driven to a Building at 11 o'clock to edit a podcast. So, I do think there's I think there's good and bad as with everything we're gonna see. But my heartache is before long we're going to be opening those office buildings back up. People are going to be thrilled to go back to work. Yes. How many people do you know that got divorced during COVID? Do you know any? Yeah, quite a few. Yeah, quite a few. Yeah, of course you did. I did. I, I had a guy told me. I swear to God, beginning of COVID. Everybody's like, oh my god, COVID We're all gonna die, blah, blah, blah, it looks me in the face. He goes, Oh, I'm getting divorced. I was like, what he goes, I am going to end up getting divorced. And I said, What do you mean, he goes, the only secret to keeping my marriage going is that we don't see each other very much. I was like, yeah, and he also for sure. Six months later didn't live there anymore. Wow, divorce now.

Kristie 1:10:52
We see now

Scott Benner 1:10:53
older people. Like not like, you know, 29 year old or somebody who's like, you know, it's just like, Yeah, whatever, like, spent a good life together. And, and he knew, as soon as COVID came while everyone else was like, I don't know, I'm gonna get the COVID I'm gonna die. I'm gonna do this. My grandma. Like, all everybody's thinking about all that stuff. He's like, Oh, I'm getting divorced. happened, like, Oh, my goodness, it

Kristie 1:11:19
was it was really something he knew the key to success was not being

Scott Benner 1:11:23
his key to success was going to work. And I don't know why, like, I don't know, his particulars, you know, they could have just talk to each other. You know, what I'm saying? But, but he knew where it was headed. So really interesting. All right, Christine. You're too nice. And we're just talking at this point. So I'm gonna let you go. All right. Thank you very, very nice. Did you have a good time? I did. I feel like a hostess in this situation. Like, if you didn't have a good time. I worry about my skills.

Kristie 1:11:54
Now, it's, it's funny, because I listened to you so much. It's actually nice to have a conversation back and forth.

Scott Benner 1:12:00
It's nice when you can talk back to the voice makes you feel more safe. You know, I had a, I said, we're gonna stop. But one more thing. I clear my throat though. Sorry. This morning, I was talking to a business associate Who's moving on from a job. And we were saying goodbye. And we'd done a lot of stuff together for the podcast. And at the very end of the conversation, she said, just want to tell you what, it was a great pleasure working with you. And I said, thank you. And but part of me is like, why, you know, but I didn't say why. But she just went on into it. And she said, You're such a great facilitator of good conversations. And then that got in my head. Because then we got on and like, 15 minutes into this, I started thinking, Am I doing a good job in this conversation? Because I can't tell like, so the secret is, is that if I am a good facilitator of conversation, it's not something I'm setting out to do. It's happening. Does that make sense? Right, and so then I got into my head and I was like, Am I doing the thing that makes me good at this right now? Like, I actually, like, had my son I was a little twisted up in the first like 15 minutes we talked because I had her voice in my head telling me you do a good job at this and I was like, what does that mean? So

Kristie 1:13:12
anyway, freaks you out like stage fright.

Scott Benner 1:13:15
I got a little freaked out. Hopefully no one will notice.

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