#557 Pat & Scott's Excellent Conversation

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Oct 11

Patrick is a young adult living with type 1 diabetes.

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Scott Benner 0:00
Friends Hello, this is Episode 557 of the Juicebox Podcast.

On today's episode of the Juicebox Podcast, I'm speaking with Patrick, who is a young man that lives with Type One Diabetes. It also lives with him. He has diabetes, he's diabetic, say in any way you want. Patrick's here, he's got T one, and we're gonna have a really great conversation that you're going to adore. While you're listening, please remember that nothing you hear on the Juicebox Podcast should be considered advice, medical or otherwise, always consult a physician before making any changes to your healthcare plan, or becoming bold with insulin. Don't forget to head over to the T one D exchange and fill out their survey. That's right. If you're a US resident who has type one, or a US resident who cares for someone with type one, in under 10 minutes, you can answer a few simple questions that will incredibly amazingly immaculately benefit people living with type one diabetes, and it'll support the podcast p one d exchange.org. forward slash juice box trying to get the 2000 surveys by the end of diabetes Awareness Month.

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Pat 2:34
Yeah, are you doing?

Scott Benner 2:35
Ah I'm alright. It's a spring break here for my daughter so Oh, wow. It's a weird, weird time. My wife was like, why are you recording this week? I said I don't get spring break.

Pat 2:49
You're doing how many episodes? Are you into this now?

Scott Benner 2:53
Oh, 460 ish.

Pat 2:56
around. Oh, my goodness. Yeah.

Scott Benner 2:59
And you'll probably be my God. You'll probably be 500 520 when it comes out eventually. So

Pat 3:09
Oh, my goodness. Yes. You're working hard than I am.

Scott Benner 3:13
I just don't want to. I want to treat the podcast like it's a podcast, not like it's a thing. A diabetes thing? I don't know if that makes sense or not. But, but you know what I mean?

Pat 3:26
Yeah, definitely. Yeah. No, I like it. And are you on the East Coast or West Coast?

Scott Benner 3:32
I'm in New Jersey. You're out west jersey. Okay.

Pat 3:34
Yeah, I'm out west. I'm up bright and early. 6am.

Scott Benner 3:38
That's the thing that, um, I thought when I saw the when I saw the booking, I was like, I think that's really early for him. So thank you. I appreciate you doing that.

Pat 3:47
Oh, definitely. Yeah, you're busy, like booked up, too, which is amazing.

Scott Benner 3:53
It's hard to get on the show at this point. I did want on I had to do one for somebody that, you know, it's kind of like time sensitive. And they're like, Well, you know, when can we do it? I said, July. And she's like, No, we need it sooner. And I was like I could I there's one day a week that I edit and I don't record I guess I could do it that day. And you know, so I found myself doing that, but it's good. That's nothing to complain about.

Pat 4:22
Yeah. Wow. And so you just do this with just you know, any any diabetic who kind of wants to get on the show, or

Scott Benner 4:30
I turned some people down. But yeah, not, not many. I think that the there's something about the desire to do the show that brings out a certain kind of person.

Pat 4:40
Oh, I see. I like it. Yeah, there's a vetting process

Scott Benner 4:45
that happens without me being involved. And then the next part of the vetting process is that it takes so long after you put down a date to record. So basically I sit here five minutes before the recording time and if you're here, I assume you really want to do that.

Pat 5:01
Yes. Oh, that makes sense. I like

Scott Benner 5:05
to stay like that. Anyway, you sound terrific. It's your recording. Well, that's fantastic. What you just do is introduce yourself anyway you want to be known. Just meaning you don't need to use your last name or you know, if you end up bringing up a friend or a sibling or something, you don't have to say their name. You could say my brother, you know, that kind of stuff. But other than that, you introduce yourself and then we'll, we'll just get started.

Pat 5:29
Okay, and then we'll just go from there.

Scott Benner 5:33
I'll ask a question, you'll answer the question. And that'll happen over and over again till we're done.

Pat 5:37
Okay, I like it. All right, let me know when you're ready. at your leisure. Okay, well, Hello. My name is Patrick. I'm from Sacramento, California. And I have Type One Diabetes pattern. I never get to say that. I've ever started off like that. Never. You know, that's not my go to my go to like, Hey, this is who I am that I you know, I like to say it's a new new thing.

Scott Benner 6:10
That's interesting. I mean, it makes sense, right? You don't want to wander up to new people. And you're like, hey, I've got diabetes. Also, crazy booger came out of my left nostril.

Pat 6:20
You know? Yeah. So I never i i'd like to hear that for the first time for sure.

Scott Benner 6:27
Did you like saying it?

Pat 6:29
I think that it's something you know, interesting about who I am. And you know what I've had to deal with most of my life. So I do. I do like, you know, telling me I think a lot of people think that I'm, I could be embarrassed by it. So they don't really try to bring it up ever. But I like talking to people about it. So I do like saying,

Scott Benner 6:52
Hi, are you embarrassed by it? Or is it just something you think people around? You

Pat 6:57
know, yeah, I think some people like kinda, you know, tiptoe around it, or beat around the bush about it. So I'm not embarrassed about I love talking about it. So it's not bad.

Scott Benner 7:10
Nice. That's excellent. All right. So you were you're 20? Are you 24 now?

Pat 7:14
I am 25. Oh,

Scott Benner 7:18
that's something we were talking about before we started recording is that it takes a long time to get on the show you were 24 when you sent the email.

Pat 7:26
I didn't even realize I was taking a couple bloods for sure. And then I, I got a gala, you know, a little promotion. So then we had to move it back even further. But I'm glad I'm on here.

Scott Benner 7:38
No, yeah, I am, too. And I am realizing now that I'm only one clerical error away from putting this up while you're 26. So I just put up a show the other day, I had to write the person that was on it to apologize. And I had like a few files on my computer that got read, dated somehow. And I don't know if I opened them. And that changed the date on them. And then they moved around in this folder that I have of recorded material that needs to, you know, go through the editing process. And so they slid way up. So I put out an episode yesterday that I think I recorded like 18 months before that. And oh my goodness, and it was really good. And I enjoyed it. And so I you know, I definitely want to pull up and I wrote the personal like I am so sorry, this is not a judgment of what you did on the podcast. I just got messed up. And anyway, we're just, we're just we're just a couple of mistakes shy of you having two kids when this podcast?

Pat 8:35
Well, I can't wait for that you didn't even look forward to it a couple years ago. It's not bad.

Scott Benner 8:42
So how old were you when you were diagnosed?

Pat 8:45
I was 16. So right in the middle of high school, which is a is a crazy, I think it's a crazy time to get it. Just because you're, you know, in your youth that also kind of growing into that adulthood stage and your whole life kind of just changes in a in a weekend. So

Scott Benner 9:08
where were you in the in the progression of your maturity? And I mean that by saying that for parents who are listening, I think a lot of parents know that when your kids are that age. Your basic goal then is to stave off any of the things that you don't hope that they do for as long as possible, right. Like, I wonder how this kid from having sex and drinking or doing drugs like this is what I'm trying for, right? Yeah.

Pat 9:36
Yeah, and I was I actually was in the middle of a basketball season. And that's when the doctors think that I somehow got it. And since I was in my honeymoon stage, you know, I didn't really I couldn't tell when I was playing basketball. And right when it ended is when I just went straight, you know, losing 20 You're super sick all the time and peeing a lot and so I got it right after basketball season I remember it because I just I we were in the playoffs and I couldn't even play I was just so so sick so it was yes right then right when a dad Debbie Have you ever heard of like more for gala or anything like that where the girl asked the guy so I got it I got it a couple days before that after a girl had asked me with a buttload of olive enjoys I got I came back the you know two days later after she had asked me for with all my joys and everyone in school but she gave me diabetes

Scott Benner 10:47
that was the that was the vibe going around school

Pat 10:51
they didn't know how to diabetes I mean I didn't even know how diabetes work so that was kind of the whole funny story was that you know girl gave me diabetes by asking asking me the gala so

Scott Benner 11:03
tell you I think if I'm enjoying can give you diabetes in two days we don't know

Pat 11:08
yeah well I don't know I've heard no no likes all the joys I've heard that you know all you'd have all day long.

Scott Benner 11:17
Patrick I'm just saying my imagination tells me if that was true that at the end of every news broadcast on everything they'd they'd finished they'd be like in the Dow is down 35 points today and before we go Don't forget almond joys give you diabetes in two days. Be everywhere, you know,

Pat 11:33
please disregard all the joys from your daily life.

Scott Benner 11:37
He would turn on the TV and just see people picketing Washington like stop Almond Joy, like, you know,

Pat 11:44
they already do that.

Scott Benner 11:46
It's just interesting how kids minds work like and what sounds like an amusing story that becomes you know, you know what I mean? Because somebody said it and thought that's funny. So they told somebody else who thought that's funny and then the next thing you know it's everywhere.

Pat 11:59
But yeah, definitely. I mean the girl even thought she did. She was said on it. And I was like, No, okay, like, yeah, I gotta stop it.

Scott Benner 12:08
Do you still know her? Yeah, definitely

Pat 12:11
Okay, that we're still we're still good friends for sure. So

Scott Benner 12:15
beyond believing that candy gives you diabetes in two days.

Pat 12:20
She felt really bad. Like trust me it wasn't you.

Scott Benner 12:24
dance.

Pat 12:26
Yo course Yeah, I said yeah. Oh, of course.

Scott Benner 12:30
I find it's best when ever women are kind to you to just say thank you. That's yeah

Pat 12:36
100% I agree completely with all the enjoy you give them all enjoy with it.

Scott Benner 12:40
I have to be honest, if my wife approached me with candy, I'd think I would probably think I was sick and I didn't know it. And she was like, she felt bad. I'm not certain. But yeah, I guess in 16 it just seems nice. Well so to get back to my question at 16 Not that I didn't enjoy our little offshoot there but at 16 were you a party kid? Were you a pretty like were you more like you know still in mature were you not like that like what kind of like social person were you then?

Pat 13:10
Yeah, definitely. I was uh, I was just a basketball kid I was just in the sports you know, I was playing basketball year round and absolutely loved it and then I got diabetes and my whole world kind of changed so I my maturity changed with it. So I wasn't you know, I was in no way a mature kid or anything like that. And then getting that kind of getting diabetes right after kind of just put me into this world when trying to figure out who I was and what type of a you know, person I was. And so I quit basketball the next The following season, because I just could not figure out how to play basketball and have it work for me with diabetes, you know? I would I would get super sick on the court, you know, I'd get low and my my coach would have to take me out five minutes into the game and I just be sitting there like what why am I even here? You know, like, I don't understand what like why is this happening to me? So that threw me for a loop for sure. And that's when I started getting into partying because we're you know, 16 is kind of the age where the, you know, in high school, they just started partying a little bit so I started hanging up the kids who were going out and you know, drinking smoking, you know, all that stuff. So I started hanging out with them. And that's, that's where, yeah, I mean, I learned a lot from it for sure.

Scott Benner 14:49
Well, so you were really focused on it's interesting because this is I didn't know if you were gonna say this or not, but it was what I was wondering like you are at an inflection point in your life with Do you realize it or not? And if you could have kept playing basketball, do you think that that meant enough to you that you would have avoided sort of that other stuff for a longer time? Or do you think you were always headed towards it? Is it hard to look back? And no,

Pat 15:12
I think that I would have, I would have stepped with basketball, and it would have kind of, you know, deterred me from doing that stuff as often as I had done it. So I think basketball definitely, you know, just because you're there, you're practicing every day, you're, you're at games at night, so there, there's not a lot of time for you to go, you know, hang out at the river with your friends. So I think when I quit, I just had a lot of a lot more time on my hands where I was just like, hanging out, you know, always after school, just like, Hey, want you to go hang out the river. So I definitely think that basketball kind of would have helped me but I also do have that personality where I'm like, I want to experiment and you know, try these things as well. So So

Scott Benner 16:06
you were just you were really just kind of putting these other ideas on hold, because you because you like playing basketball so much.

Pat 16:13
Definitely. And I think at the time basketball was like kind of just my saving grace, where I didn't care about anything else, you know, when I was playing basketball, I loved it and didn't didn't really need anything more. And then when I quit basketball, I didn't have that saving grace, or didn't have anything like that to kind of help me out. And so that's when I went, you know, experimenting, the partying, and I remember my first time at drinking after I got diabetes. And I remember, I just was so I was so sick. I think I was drinking orange juice and vodka. And you know, I didn't know what I was doing. I was drinking a ton of sugary stuff and alcohol. And it was a it was a scary time for sure. Yeah, this because I just got completely, you know, sick and couldn't stop throwing up. And it was bad. But after I was just like, I'm glad that I'm learning how to do this at the same time. So there's a weird transition.

Scott Benner 17:22
Well, so in that scenario, you're hammered. And you're driving your blood sugar high.

Pat 17:27
Yeah, yeah. Yeah. You know, I mean, getting out of the hospital, they're, they're teaching you stuff, but it didn't connect at all to me. So, you know, probably I think a week or two later is when I was drinking and, you know, I was chasing with orange juice or drinking with the orange juice or something like that. And yeah, so my blood sugar was spiking, and I just couldn't stop. Yeah, I just couldn't stop throwing up the whole night.

Scott Benner 17:54
I have more questions about that. But I'm imagining that this last little segment, anybody who's listening, who's in their teens right now is like, this is why my dad makes me practice the violin so much.

Pat 18:06
If you play the violin, I am jealous.

Scott Benner 18:10
But I'm just saying like, just stay in your room and do that thing and don't talk to you. Yeah. So, I want to go to your saying that you you went from not being a drinker, to getting diagnosed, and two weeks later, by the way, you drank like an old lady in the 40s it's funny you're having Reebok and

Pat 18:36
whatever you can get your hands to do 16

Scott Benner 18:39
when you were 17 did you move to a gimlet? or

Pat 18:43
hopefully I'm hoping I did.

Scott Benner 18:46
But so you don't know anything functionally about how to manage your diabetes? And are you rebelling? I mean, I don't think that it seems unlikely to me Patrick, I guess I should say that you were like oh, well now that basketball is gone I can move on to my secondary choice drinking by the river. So um, yeah, so I'm, I'm thinking that by the way, I'm fairly sure this episode is gonna be called drinking by the river unless you say something else. But, but like, do you think you were like drowning your sorrows? Do you think you were in a panic about the diabetes?

Pat 19:18
I think that it was it was I think it was a mold you know, multifactor situation where I mean, I had tried drinking before diabetes, but obviously, not worrying about the blood sugar is a little easier. And then when that happened, you know, I had to really switch up how it my thought process works, but I definitely think it was at the time obviously I didn't think I was drowning my you know, drowning. my sorrows are my anxieties about having this disease. But now looking back on it, I think it did have a bigger effect on us. On my life for sure, but I also love to have fun and I definitely love to try new things and I don't necessarily regret doing it just because I learned so much and I learned a lot about diabetes even though it was it was a harder time you know I've gone through you know the the most a dream being in all of that but I definitely learned a lot a lot through doing all that so I wouldn't even say I necessarily regretted it because I did have a lot of fun at the same time. But you definitely can say that I was kind of trying to not think about diabetes and rebel against what was happening with my body.

Scott Benner 20:50
Yeah, no, I am I'm not judging you. I just I'm trying to understand how you get from one place to another ay ay ay ay if you do listen to the podcast with any regularity

Pat 21:00
I listened to a couple episodes for sure not not a crazy amount but definitely a couple

Scott Benner 21:06
just because I don't you might know that I don't drink so I don't understand the but I don't have a judgement about it I just don't understand the like when you say have fun I think of having fun and being coherent like yes yeah, so I just I recognize that that's not how everybody thinks about it. But and I definitely understand that at that age and then with all that pressure did the pressure hit you in any other ways did your grades change? Did you start robbing banks? Is there anything else that

Pat 21:36
I mean, I think that there's a there's a pressure of being in high school when kids are starting to turn into that you know, like experimenting or partying phase where I wanted to keep up with my with my friends. And at the same time I really probably couldn't have as much as I tried just because of diabetes so I think there is there's there's always kind of pressures going on in high school where diabetes cannot hold you back. And I for sure was just fighting as much as I could not let that happen. But yeah, I I really think that like you said, Yeah, obviously having fun, sober is great too. But in high school, you just want to you want to you know, be with the crowd almost and keep, keep trying different things and having fun like that. So I think that the pressures of that kind of kind of threw me for a loop and then my grades did start dwindling to. I don't know if that's just because I did not like high school at all, or diabetes kind of put me in that but I definitely started drop my grades started dropping a little bit because basketball you had to keep a certain GPA. And then once I was out of that, there's nothing really to stop me from going too low. So

Scott Benner 23:05
you just kind of rolled with it that and just went wherever it went.

Pat 23:09
I just rolled with it. And my mom helped me out, you know, crazy amount. She is he is she's definitely one of the you know, I give her all the respect in the world for you know, I mean, I was going through diabetes that she was going through diabetes too. And so I give her all the respect in the world because he really, really pushed me to, you know, keep my grades up and get me into college. And so a shout out to her. Without her I would not be where I am today.

Scott Benner 23:45
Feeling like she threw a saddle on your back and rode you to college. She's like now go over this way and do this and jump over that and listen, not that children don't need that, you know, somebody guiding them along the way. I have to say I'm disappointed when I joked about you're robbing a bank at one day someone's gonna blurt something out on the podcast, but I'm just gonna be like, oh my god. Finally, you know, like you just I was just like, would imagine if you're like I did knock over a couple of convenience stores. And

Pat 24:10
I see diabetic Bonnie and Clyde is

Scott Benner 24:12
out of my mind. I would I would point my insulin pump at them through my coat. Do you use a pump? Or do you are you using di?

Pat 24:21
Yeah, I use the pump. And I'm loving. I'm using the Medtronic pump, but I've heard the other. I Dexcom I definitely want to try to get into that because I've read some great things about that.

Scott Benner 24:35
Yeah, it's very cool. It really is. But I'm just I'm happy you have something going. Were you How long have you been on the pump? Have you? Was it recent? Or have you been doing it for a long time?

Pat 24:45
Only couple I think probably a year now is how long I've been on the pump in high school. Like I said I was fighting as much as I could. They're trying to put me on the pump. I said no, I'm not going to do that. I stuck with the insulin pens and that probably didn't help my situation at times either just losing them and you know all that good stuff that comes with the insulin pens so I actually just started using it last year and I absolutely love it

Scott Benner 25:18
yeah I mean you're older now it's funny because for people who are I can't think of their names but there's these two guys that prank like local municipalities in California.

Pat 25:28
Oh, okay. Yeah, I

Scott Benner 25:29
know what I mean. That right and because of because I'm aware of that you're like you have an accent to like give it you have like a California accent so you like when you popped on at first I'm like, is this guy gonna prank me? Oh my goodness. guys are amazing. But I'm never gonna think of their name and I feel bad about that. But but so you're saying if I'm if I'm understanding correctly, you're saying that you resisted a pump or anything that would make you look different through high school.

Pat 26:02
Uh, I don't think make me look different. I think just like, because going from pens to a pump, your your lifestyle changes up again. And I think I was fighting the lifestyle change. Just because that first time when I got diabetes and went to the pins, like that was a big enough lifestyle change for me to just be like, I'm good off anything else? Yeah. And so they're, you know, because you have to go through training and you kind of have to test it out. And so I did a test run like I think it was like a three day test run. And the part that I just was like, I am not gonna I think that it popped out when I when I was sleeping. And I was like, yeah, I'm just not going to try this change that quickly. You you'd be so good.

Scott Benner 26:51
How many people say that I was when I started recognizing that that was a real driver for people just the idea of like, I've already been through a new thing that I had to learn I don't want to learn another new thing.

Pat 27:03
Yeah, so I just I mean, like, when I was in school, I would I you know, I wouldn't care where I did my insulin, you know, I did in front of my friends. I'd let you know, I'd let my friends do it. If they're like, Oh, can I see what how this works? I'm like, sure, like, you know, give me a shot. But it's the it's exactly your rights, the change. It's just the big change. And, you know, I was trying to fight any of that I could for sure.

Scott Benner 27:28
No, I it's um, it's interesting to hear you say that because it's not my first inclination from the outside to think that it would be about the change I would always think it would be about the hiding but and so the problem with MDI for you wasn't that you minded? Anybody seeing you in jack, it was that you were literally losing the pens and stuff like that.

Pat 27:49
Yeah, and lose the pens or the needle, you know, break off or the the cartridge would get jammed? Stuff like,

Scott Benner 28:01
just just regular. Maybe if you were not handing them to everybody to jab you with they would. How many of your friends do you think ever got home? I was like, I'm an insulin pen in my bag. I wonder why this is?

Pat 28:12
Oh, man. I mean, I've had, like, you know, friends have a party and I accidentally leave my llantas my long lasting pen at their house where, and you know, they're not supposed to have anybody over or anything like that. And all of a sudden they're fighting and, you know, a needle in their in their couch. Like, what is

Scott Benner 28:33
this? There was no one here, I promise.

Pat 28:36
Yeah, exactly. It's hard to explain for sure.

Scott Benner 28:41
How did you um, did you go right to college right after high school?

Pat 28:45
Yeah, I went to Sac State right after high school. Okay. So I didn't even move out my first couple years, which was kind of kind of a nice transition. I wanted to go to SBCC, which is in Santa Barbara. And I am just so glad I didn't do that. Especially with diabetes. I think it's a lot of a lot of partying and probably not the best not the best idea for a diabetic.

Scott Benner 29:12
Patrick, you would not have trusted yourself in that scenario.

Pat 29:16
I don't think so. I think I mean, even coming out of high school, you know, I wasn't I wasn't mature at all. I still still was like, you know, I want to go to a party school and I want to have fun. And again, my mom was like, let's get into it. Let's get you into Sac State instead. And I think that really, really saved me for sure. Because, you know, I I was staying at home I was saving money, which was amazing to like now that you know, I'm out of college and appreciate that. A lot more money saved. I can just like so grateful for that. And then But yeah, I mean, Santa Barbara would have just been a madhouse, for sure. So

Scott Benner 29:57
yeah, and nobody does the math on a four year have college divided by monthly payments for you know the foreseeable rest of your life future nice not to Oh people that money that's for certain Yes Do you think your mom was a little Do you think your mom knew that staying home was the right thing for you?

Pat 30:16
I think that I don't know if it was staying home but I think it was just going to a community college in a place known for partying like you know it's it probably wasn't the best for me and where I was at in life and again I was still not even doing my pump yet so I was still doing my my insulin shots so that you know that also didn't help and I didn't even realize it to last year when I got my pump like how amazing it is to know your blood sugar as often as you do that yeah I just it's crazy that I didn't do that

Scott Benner 31:00
in the years prior to that how was your care like wherever your a onesies falling

Pat 31:06
they were falling between six and seven they were pretty good but I think it also was from me getting you know super high and then taking a lot of insulin to get super low yeah and so it's kind of just the highs and lows that bounced it out so yeah they're not sure if that you

Scott Benner 31:29
know that's cheating Patrick that doesn't count yeah

Pat 31:31
dude the median right now

Scott Benner 31:35
it's like it's like if on the weekend like during the week you were a murder for hire but on the weekends you volunteered at a homeless shelter that doesn't mean I was doing good things on the weekends Yeah, that does not equal like a decent life so what happens is it just throws the math off so the test you know you've got these crazy highs which of course are not good for your body at these crazy lows which are dangerous and not good for your body. But it still throws off the test and it's like oh look and then you end up in the doctor's office he's gone Oh you're between a six and a seven you're doing terrific. And yeah, I know exactly. And not enough of how do we get how did we get to this and they don't talk enough about limiting that variability and how important that is for for overall health I think that's a it can't be said enough it's a very common misconception that if the numbers Okay, you know quote unquote Okay, then you must be doing everything as well as possible. Yeah, so having I'm assuming you're wearing like the 670 maybe the metro Yes, yes, I'm

Pat 32:40
wearing the 670 right now so

Scott Benner 32:42
you have the Guardian CGM. I do yeah. And so now you get to see what happens that that change the way you were living or using insulin.

Pat 32:52
I think that I mean the funny part was when I first started I was knocking I was well I didn't realize how many doorways that I hit when I walked around the house because I beat I was hitting doorways and my big my sensor was popping off but every you know every two days I was having to change it so I'm glad I'm not you know I'm not a question anymore and hidden so many things but I definitely as it definitely has just made me more aware of my health in my body and just like how to how how seriously I do need to take diabetes and I mean it sucks that it takes so long but at the same time you know I don't think I would have ever been able to my mindset wouldn't have changed at all. I think it was just kind of growing in maturity and seeing how you know seeing how diabetes really is to where the punches made me like so grateful that I was like okay you know yeah, I need to start focusing on this and making sure that it's that I'm you know, doing stuff that are healthy for my body because my eggs especially with friends like you know friends will go out and will eat or do all that and they don't have a care in the world and I'm like I need to you know, sit down and really, really make sure my help is on point. So later on in life, I can still do these things.

Scott Benner 34:18
Yeah, no kidding. It's so interesting to hear. Patrick Please don't take this the wrong way. But no, it's so interesting to hear someone who sounds like they're in bill and Ted's Excellent Adventure have a really thoughtful life idea

Pat 34:34
you know, it's maybe it's no one in California I'm from Sacramento so we're not a beach town at all right? And so no one in California would ever say I sound like a Californian no 100%

Scott Benner 34:44
and I'm trust me you know I'm mispronouncing 1000 words in your eyes and everything and I get that but it's just for me it's it's fascinating. It's It's It's like, I don't know it's sort of like The Big Lebowski like you're like there's a guy on a couch like You know, with a drink in his hand has been high all day saying something profound about life and you're like, it's interesting.

Pat 35:09
You know, I'll take the Big Lebowski.

Scott Benner 35:13
So, it just because because what you said, I found to be moving, honestly, and really thoughtful. And I'm glad you came to it in your mid 20s for certain, and I'm and it makes me worried about people who don't come to it as quickly or never do. But still. It's excellent. Do you credit? I think I heard you credit just being more mature. Like through there. So it wasn't like so you're like, were you in that situation where like, you knew you got high and you knew you got low, but the ANC was fine. So you're like, I'm alright. And then you get a little older and realize maybe I need to be more careful about this.

Pat 35:51
Yeah, well, I mean, I think when I was younger, I I didn't feel my body, you know, going through such like stress of high blood sugar or low blood sugar. I didn't like now, you know, when I have a high blood sugar, my, you know, my heart is beating super fast. And I'm getting all these all the symptoms. And I don't think I I really don't think that I focused on that when I was younger. And so it didn't seem like a big deal at the time, if that made sense does. So it didn't seem like you know, it didn't seem like my body was going through anything. It just felt like, Oh, I need to go, I need to get lower. So let's just put some insulin in, and let's do whatever I need to do. But now it's like, okay, let's make sure I don't get high. And let's check my blood, you know, as much as I can to make sure that it's good. So

Scott Benner 36:51
it feels like the difference between heading out to sea in a boat with a hole in it. And then just spending all your time bailing it out versus fixing the hole before you leave? Yeah. 100% a little bit of pre planning. I, Patrick, I want to get your input on this real quick. I'll give you a producer credit on this one. Do you like better? Patrick and Scott's Excellent Adventure or Scott and Patrick's Excellent Adventure for a title? I think your name first right?

Pat 37:16
I don't know, Scott, that's excellent event adventures. That's pretty amazing.

Scott Benner 37:22
Maybe that's what we do.

Pat 37:24
You keep up with the day, you gotta you gotta get your day back.

Scott Benner 37:28
Trust me, my name gets set enough, that's fine. People are gonna be like, I know he's putting his name in the titles and ask Yeah,

Pat 37:38
he's all over the place.

Scott Benner 37:39
I have to say, You're an interesting person to tell us do. So once in a while I'll just because you've listened, but not a whole lot. I want some, I'll get noticed. And I'll be like, you talk way more than the guests. And I put out a transcript of the show now. So like, if you go to the website, you can find a written transcript of the show. And it tells me how much I to speak versus how much the other person speaks. And I don't talk that much more than the guest by the way.

Pat 38:09
You made sure that you had to put some stats to prove it.

Scott Benner 38:14
I've been dying to be able to say this in an episode somewhere because I told my wife I was like, you know, it turns out it's 6040. And that makes sense because I'm asking the questions, right? So it's not like I get these notes like I'm when I read them. I'm like, What am I What am I talking like, 85% of the time or something, but it's not that I just haven't just remember the evidence for it too. Damn right. I'm gonna start publishing it everything. Can you imagine if every week on like social media, you just send me I just send out a percentage episode for 8560 6161 30.

Unknown Speaker 38:56
Gotta do it.

Scott Benner 38:59
Well, yeah. Isn't it funny too, when you say 6139 you're like, see talks too much. But if I would have said 5941 you'd be like, oh, it feels pretty balanced.

Pat 39:09
Exactly. Your brain was good. Yeah, I was gonna save our 55th Yes, please. Oh, wow. Yeah, I'm kidding. Let

Scott Benner 39:15
me be honest, it's never 5050 but although that's not true, there are somewhere actually I'm on the low side. And, and the other person speaks way more than I do. But that's not the point. My point is stop sending me mean emails. The podcast. podcast is free. Shut up. Free Yeah, you mean

Pat 39:37
you got to send him a juice box if they said to me an email Dude,

Scott Benner 39:39
I get complaints sometimes would make you think somebody paid like 10 grand for this. Like, what's up? Like, you're not making payments like relax?

Pat 39:50
Yeah, I didn't even know you can get complaints for me. Come on.

Scott Benner 39:54
You would think right anyway. So okay, so what did you go to like you don't have to tell them exactly what you do. But like what kind of work do you do once you go to college for

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Pat 41:12
I went to college in communications because I really didn't know what I wanted to do. So I went, went to college for that, and started working in government and absolutely loved it. So I worked in you know, the governor's office and city hall. And then worked on a campaign right after college. And thought, you know, this is a pretty, pretty nice career that I I'm starting to kind of create for myself. And then the pandemic hit. And I did a presidential campaign and they ended when the pandemic kit. And then I was kind of just jobless for a little bit working at a bar in Sacramento, and then switched it up and said, You know what, I'm moving to San Francisco, and starting a job in tech sales. So that's where I'm at now is actually I moved to San Francisco a couple months ago. And now I'm in tech sales.

Scott Benner 42:13
Amazing that you could have gone that you went from working towards getting a person elected for president to a bar. That's, it's fascinating. Like when you said that you just made every parent in the world scared for their child. They were like, Yeah, right. Wait, what happened? Say it again. But that's cool. So you just kind of reframed yourself took your skills and put them somewhere else.

Pat 42:36
Yeah, well, I mean, also I shouldn't say that I had I worked at the bar previously, too. It was a it wasn't just because of the pandemic but yes, it is. It's a it was a crazy switch from you know, working 80 hours a week to working at the bar.

Scott Benner 42:52
Be honest with you after the first 15 minutes of the show. You didn't shock me when you said you worked at a bar. Yeah, it wasn't like oh my gosh, I didn't see that coming.

Unknown Speaker 43:01
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Pat 43:04
super fun. I've talked about complaints though.

Scott Benner 43:09
Well, I hear from people who work at restaurants that it's just a big orgy between the the people that work there just hopped from person to person apparently that's why we closed the restaurants down during COVID Yeah, because

Pat 43:24
a lot of spreading of it

Scott Benner 43:27
you didn't realize when they closed your restaurant it wasn't because of the transmission it was because they couldn't count on the employees to stay away from each other. Anyway that might not be true or a lot of people who work at restaurants right now are nodding along going oh yeah, that's definitely yeah it's a weird schedule. And then at the end of the night you're all just sort of alone in the rest of the world doesn't exist and so that's your that's your pool of people then.

Pat 43:52
Oh, yeah, I mean working. I worked at a beer house so we actually close that, you know, 10 or 11 at latest. So I mean, I can't imagine what the bar is opening or closing at 2am was like, you know, Sprague like that because that's that's a whole nother story right there

Scott Benner 44:12
find yourself at the end of the night going home with a lady much older than you

Pat 44:18
No, no never never good.

Scott Benner 44:21
Because it would be awkward if somebody like in the middle of something was like Patrick I think I know your mom. Yeah, no you don't I gotta go

Pat 44:31
that's that that was the age range of the bar for sure. Weren't you weren't too far off?

Scott Benner 44:38
That's what I was leaving from what you were saying. That's a That's amazing. I don't know what the hell we've been talking about for the last 40 minutes but I'm having a good time. So it's a good sign. What about a one sees now with the pump instability? Do you Where do you have the same highs and lows? And if not, how are you managing that?

Pat 44:56
Yes. So I am managing it a little better I do I still, I mean, like my first month or two, I mean, maybe even, you know, half a year and wearing the pump, I would still get pretty, pretty bad highs and lows, just because I was trying to figure out how the whole thing work. And so after, like, I don't know, after one time, I was just so pissed off with how the Sif, you have Medtronic worked. I called up one of the Medtronic reps and I was like, Hey, can I get a Can I get a you know, training on this, maybe I'm doing something wrong. So she took me through, you know, I think like an hour and a half training of it. And it really helped me just he just to the minute details that kind of, kind of help you with your blood sugar and everything like that. So it really helped me and now now I'm getting better at you know, I think I barely get over 250 if I get high, which is amazing. And then don't get low too much. But I do I work out like six days a week. So I do loads do happen to me quite a bit just because I am you know, doing a lot of work out. But I always have, you know, I always have all enjoys next to me.

Scott Benner 46:19
Well, since you found out you're safe, it's fine. Hey, can I can I propose something to you that this you had no idea that I was gonna say this and sort of, it's not something you're interested in, please just tell me to shut up. But there's a series within the podcast. And there. It's called diabetes pro tip. So I think there's about 20 or so episodes. And if I told you I think if you listen to them, you might never see a 250 blood sugar again in your life or get low while you're working out. Could I interest you in listening to them?

Pat 46:50
Of course. Of course I'm looking it up right now I got it on my Google right away.

Scott Benner 46:56
Could you look at how the young kids use the inner way right? So if you you go to Juicebox Podcast comm and click on diabetes pro tip at the top or actually diabetes pro tip comm will take you to it as well. So now these episodes are available in your podcast player, but you can see them here online and some people even choose to listen to them online, although just know if you're doing that you're probably old. And but there's nothing wrong with being old. I'm old. So so it starts at Episode 210. And they're not concurrent. So like it'll be like 210 11 to 12 and it'll jump to 217 but it'll take you through the ideas that that management wise get talked about on the podcast, it's not just me it's a friend of mine Jenny, she has a G she's coming up on her 33rd anniversary of type one, she's a CD she's a nutritionist, she's a runner, and she talks to people about management for a living. So I I will tell you that I think if you listen through those episodes, you achieve an A one C in the low sixes that will eventually get into the fives and you'll cut down on your highs and your lows.

Pat 48:10
I love it. Yeah, definitely listen to that.

Scott Benner 48:12
I mean, you know No, don't Don't thank me. I I'm interested like Don't thank me because then I want you to contact me back and tell me how. So? Yeah, because it because you seem like you're in the right place. So, Pat, you don't know this, you know, but I talked to a lot of people not just on the podcast, but separately and you can start to see that people fall into lanes. And you're right there. Like you're right there ready to like take a big leap with your diabetes like so I'll tell you that with my with my daughter's blood sugar's when you said like, you know, if I ever go over 250 that never happens. And that's amazing. And I agree with you coming from where you are. But I will tell you that when my daughter's blood sugar gets over about 160 that constitutes a pretty big mistake.

Pat 49:02
Yeah, definitely. I mean, yeah, if I'm if I'm going up like 180 Yeah, I'm already kind of getting nervous, but

Scott Benner 49:09
nobody we're being honest with saying 250 which I really appreciate because those are the real numbers. People like people need to hear that, you know, they need to understand that they're not the only one whose blood sugar does that and I'm not saying my daughter's never gets that high. Like we sometimes we you know, completely boot the pooch and stuff happens. So I'm just saying that if you listen through this, I think you're gonna find some easy to follow things that stop that from happening.

Unknown Speaker 49:34
I love it. Yeah.

Pat 49:37
Yeah, yeah. And I mean, I was gonna say I joined when I moved to San Francisco, there's a diabetic, like a J. I don't think it's jdrf actually, but it's a diabetic group that meets on zoo. You know, every couple, like I think once a month, and we have a we have a Slack channel where people can ride And talk about you know what, what's been going on with their blood sugar's and if anyone has tips so I joined that and I do want to get more into it I think that I'm kind of on the outskirts of kind of, you know, reading more about it and everything like that so I definitely think stuff like this will for sure help.

Scott Benner 50:22
It's um it just it can't be undervalued that first of all talking to people is a huge thing because you don't feel alone first of all secondly you start hearing things that you don't you never heard before, you know, somebody will say something I think that's what the podcast I was like somebody says something, and it makes people think, Oh, I didn't realize that was possible, and you try it and then it works and you build off of it. And I think that's terrific that you found those people.

Pat 50:47
Yeah, and I mean, like, before I I went went into this group. I didn't I knew a couple of diabetics, but I didn't know a lot of them. And so seeing how serious some of these diabetics are in the group and like how much they you know, care for their health and well being like it really put put things into perspective as well because I didn't I you know, I wasn't talking to any diabetics who were like, you know, super on top of their stuff and, you know, talking about fats and proteins and ways to you know, like, if you're gonna eat this one day, how do you how can you help counteract it, stuff like that, where I've never really heard about that. So it was cool to kind of get a new, like a whole new perspective on how, how serious people take it and kind of put me into the mindset of like, Okay, I need to, I need to step my game up a little bit.

Scott Benner 51:44
Yeah, no, I, I think I can take for granted sometimes, because I'm so steeped in it, that, that this is something that everyone thinks about. But then I realize, you know, from listening to people, getting communications from people like this is exactly what you said, like most times, those things are never considered. And it it makes a huge difference just to understand how to stretch out a Bolus for a meal that has fat in it. Like I have an episode going up, that's just all about fat pretty soon. And I don't think that stuff that people talk about enough. And I don't know why I don't know if it's because overall, it's not well understood, or if it's, it seems confusing to people. So they don't want to just put it out there in a blanket way. And I think that like podcasts or even like what you're talking about, like social media connections, allow for longer, deeper conversations so that you can kind of get into the cracks. And, you know, hear the minutiae and and, you know, it's not just, it's not a paragraph of information in a pamphlet, like you can't, you can't explain any of this in a paragraph. So we need the conversation. Also, I just tried to connect with you on LinkedIn, because for some reason, I want to know how your life goes so

Pat 53:01
well, I hope we stay in touch too, because this is this is to fun. expected at six in the morning, I swear

Scott Benner 53:07
to God that you got up early. And this is amazing, because I am. But that is one of the indications to me that you see you're interesting in that somebody just said to me the other day, that they imagine that every person who's on the podcast is like kind of a super fan of the podcast. And I was like, No, that's that's not the case, but they couldn't believe me. And I want to ask you a little bit about that, as we're kind of finishing up here like so the podcast is not like a staple in your life. What made you want to come on in and share the conversation?

Pat 53:42
I mean, I was I kind of was getting into podcasts, you know, a year or two ago. And I was like, I wonder, I wonder if there are, you know, diabetic podcast. People really talk about it. And so I actually kind of just looked up diabetes on Spotify. And you know, the Juicebox Podcast popped up and I listened to a couple episodes and I was like, Oh, this is amazing. And I didn't even know that you like would let someone like me on do it. I had no I didn't know how it worked or anything. So I just kind of like oh maybe I'll just hit him up and see if he's interested. I you know, I didn't expect anything out of it, honestly. So it's pretty, pretty cool how it worked out.

Scott Benner 54:28
It's like a date some of the emails are they feel like as close as I'm ever going to get to being on a dating site, because it feels like a four sentence pitch about like why you would want to pick me and I'm always amused by that but what did you mean when you said somebody like me? Like when you listen to other people did you think they were like special super diabetics?

Pat 54:49
Yeah, I special super diabetics. They all every diabetic is a special super diabetic, but I probably I just They were kind of involved in the community and involved in you know, speaking about diabetes and I, because I, I've never been on the inside of the diabetic community life. I did intern for jdrf one year and that was pretty, pretty fun to do. But other than that, I you know, kind of just like, oh, maybe I'll just shoot my shot and see if I can talk about diabetes a little. Let me

Scott Benner 55:25
let me give you our I will pull the curtain back a tiny bit here. Hopefully other people doing the same thing will not know it doesn't matter. But what I was gonna say is that I think there are people like who are in that center of that community that are that are amazing people. Like I'm definitely not saying that. But what I think is that when it becomes their whole life, they become a little practice. And it's so I don't ever talk to any of those people. Because like you did you listen, you were involved in politics, like I don't want somebody popping on here hearing three key words and giving me a canned answer. Yeah, right. Because then that's not interesting and nobody gets anything out of it. And I think more comes from listening to people's struggles and understanding their path then would come from somebody just telling you like I'm super good at this and here's how I'm so good at it and then it turns out they never really have any details I don't mean like they never like you don't mean like you're somebody who's like oh I do great in the market but they never say buy this stock this stock and this stock they just they do great in the market you know or or you'll see people who are diabetes influencers will never mention what their a one c is.

Pat 56:43
Oh interesting. Looking into that

Scott Benner 56:46
notice so I saw some that you know, when I share my daughter's a one c it's not for bragging reasons, it's so that you can be reasonably comfortable that anything I said might be true. You know what I mean? Cuz if I was like, here's what I think you should do. You need to Pre-Bolus your meals, I go through a little thing. And then you say, Oh, that's that. That all sounds great. Scott what's Arden's Awan saying? Oh my god, it's 9.8 you might go. Well, wait a minute. Why am I listening to you again? Like so long? Yeah, like, I think you have to show the show your work, I guess. And at the same time, I think that that can be aspirational for people like I don't understand. A person who says, Hey, listen, if you're just running around yelling my a one cs 5.5, the rest of you can go to hell, that's bad. Okay, but if you're if you're saying, hey, look, I'm 5.5 here's how I got to it. I think you can get to it, too, even though you're not there right now. I find that to be hopeful. You don't mean like when? I don't know. Yeah, something I looked at somebody who knows how to do it.

Pat 57:50
Yeah. And I think even like me five years ago, seeing an influencer saying, hey, my agency's flat five, but not saying anything of how to do it. It kind of probably would have just made me be like, Okay, well, like, I don't care anymore. I want to go, you know, I'm gonna keep fighting this. Like, if I don't, if I don't understand how you're doing it, then I don't want to understand it myself.

Scott Benner 58:17
Just to look up and go, Oh, great. So you're gonna be healthy. And I don't get to be like, yeah, that's the vibe. Right? And so I you know, I'm all I think you'll see, like, if you try those protip episodes, I'd be surprised if you didn't really like them just based on this conversation. So no,

Pat 58:34
I definitely will. Yeah,

Scott Benner 58:35
I'm interested. I'm interested in what you do is you listen to them. You don't have to report back to me. It's not like school, and an A one C from now. Reach out and tell me if you're moving in a different direction.

Pat 58:48
Okay, I definitely will. That's fine. Yeah. Wait,

Scott Benner 58:51
I'm seriously I'm in. I'm interested. Don't let me down on this path. Just Sunday. Don't treat me like this old woman at the bar. Okay. Yeah. I know what you were doing.

Pat 59:02
I'll send you a beer. While you're at it. You're waiting? Yeah.

Scott Benner 59:08
This is probably how you make friends. You just send a beer down the bar, right? And everybody's Yeah. So what are your um, I'm going to finish up here for you. I don't want to keep you too long. I imagine you have work. But what are your What are your long term goals here around diabetes? like where are you trying to? Like, what what do you imagine? Is uh, I guess my question would be, what do you imagine yourself to be when you're 30 years old? When you're thinking about maybe having a family like what Where do you want to be with your diabetes at that point?

Pat 59:43
Oh, I definitely just want to I want to be as healthy as possible, I think. I think that's kind of just my my main goal is to keep my body as healthy as possible to just keep me going as long as I can. I remember, you know, growing, you know, growing through this, like, you hear about diabetics going blind or, you know, toes getting cut off and all that. And so that that always kind of scared me a little bit. And so I'm like, I want to be as healthy as possible and be, you know, put, I hope to be playing basketball with my grandkids and my great grandkids one day. So that's kind of where I want to be. And that's, that's why I'm doing all this to make sure that it will, it will happen.

Scott Benner 1:00:33
That's excellent. Hey, can I ask you do? Did you experience any? Did women treat you differently? Because you're diabetes? Did that ever get in the way of your dating or anything?

Pat 1:00:44
No, I mean, I think that women were intrigued by it, if anything, so I don't think you'd ever it ever. I mean, obviously there, you know, there were problems with having low blood sugars that inopportune times, but I think a lot of women were intrigued by it. So it never, never was too big of a deal, but I can definitely see how it can. For other diabetics, it can definitely be kind of challenging. So I kind of catered it towards, you know, like, Hey, this is kind of interesting. And like, hey, yeah, have you ever seen someone get shot with a needle? It's pretty cool. You know, that type of stuff.

Scott Benner 1:01:24
That's like a seven year old with a Tonka truck. He's like, Look, I have this and you can play with it to suck people into your world. Well, you also sounds like you bumped into too good people who weren't judging you just like that.

Pat 1:01:36
Yes, definitely. I was very lucky. And for the people who did you know, I just kind of brushed it off, not a not a big deal to me. So I was definitely lucky with the people that that are in my life right now. And probably how they helped me as well.

Scott Benner 1:01:52
That's amazing. Good for you. Hey, listen. You sound like you're doing really well. Do you think of yourself as doing well?

Pat 1:01:59
Yeah, definitely. I think I think once I got the pump, and I think that I kind of just propelled me into a way better state for sure. So cool. Yeah. But the older I get the, you know, the more knowledge I'm getting, I I you know, just love it even more in love, love how I'm dealing with it, for sure. Listen, I

Scott Benner 1:02:19
it sounds to me, like you are on the upswing of a much bigger upswing. And you seriously like it feels like you in a fairly short amount of time, got through that period, figured it out that it's something you want to leave behind, you're on an incredible path. And you're, you're thoughtful about it, and you're interested in learning more. And I will tell you that everyone I've ever spoken to, I think the main ingredient that helps with this is just the desire to do it. That really ends up being one of the most important aspects because you need to find the tools needed to understand how to use them, but the desire to do it. And a good attitude is a is a lot of it. I just think that from my personal experience talking to so many people, so I think you've got that.

Pat 1:03:02
Oh, I love to hear it. Yeah, I mean, I think I think you're absolutely right. And I remember coming back from I studied abroad in Italy and I must have gained 20 pounds over there, you know, eating pasta, drinking wine all day, you know, so I gained 20 pounds, and I came back and I I just kind of got myself up off the couch. And I was like I need to work out every day I needed to do it. And so I started working out and that's kind of propelled me into the like, Okay, I need to do it. You know, like, I need to learn more about diabetes, I need to get healthier. And so that kind of sent me on the track of like, getting getting to where I'm at, for sure. It's

Scott Benner 1:03:45
amazing. Is there anything that I didn't say or ask that you were hoping to talk about?

Pat 1:03:51
No, I did. I really didn't know what we were going to be talking about. I just can't I was like, let's do it.

Scott Benner 1:03:59
Do it didn't feel like it went okay for you. Yeah. 100% Yeah,

Unknown Speaker 1:04:03
I loved it.

Scott Benner 1:04:03
I'm not I'm just kidding. But yeah, no, I appreciate it. I had a really good time talking to you. I somehow find myself hoping that my son's as together as you are when he's 26. So

Pat 1:04:16
and there'll be more together for sure.

Scott Benner 1:04:19
If I can keep him off the wine and pasta, maybe it'll be Yeah.

Pat 1:04:24
It'll be

Scott Benner 1:04:31
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