#488 Say That One More Time

Sarah is pregnant and has type 1 diabetes

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Scott Benner 0:00
Hello friends and welcome to Episode 488 of the Juicebox Podcast.

On this episode of the podcast, we're gonna be talking with Sarah, she recorded this while she was pregnant. She has since had the baby. And I'll tell you a little update about that at the end of the episode. This one's interesting because I recorded it twice, you'll, you'll see what I mean. I'll explain the whole thing in a second. Sarah is terrific. You're going to love this. Let's just get started. Nothing you hear on the Juicebox Podcast. This is something you should remember. By the way, please remember, let's say it like that. Let's say please remember that nothing you hear on the Juicebox Podcast should be considered advice, medical or otherwise, always consult a physician before making any changes to your health care plan are becoming bold with insulin.

This show is sponsored today by the glucagon that my daughter carries g vo hypo Penn Find out more at G Vogue glucagon.com forward slash juicebox. The show is also sponsored by touched by type one, check them out at touched by type one.org. And by the Omni pod. Now you can go to Omni pod.com forward slash juicebox. To find out if you're eligible for a free 30 day trial of the Omni pod dash. It's pretty cool. Head over, take a look. links in the show notes, links at Juicebox Podcast comm or you just go to omnipod.com forward slash juicebox. Let's start here by saying that you are one of the few people who I've interviewed and then somehow screwed over your file just didn't work. So we're doing this again. But you have big news since we talked last time. So we're just going to just talk over and the great news for you is I speak to so many people. I fundamentally don't know what we spoke about the first time so this is going to just be like brand new to me.

Sarah 2:45
It sounds good. Do you want to turn off video or you want to keep it on?

Scott Benner 2:48
If you're alright with I can keep it on? I just don't have a lot of light in here. So I like

Unknown Speaker 2:51
it because then I don't interrupt you.

Scott Benner 2:53
Oh cool. Well, let me see if I can just turn it on.

Sarah 2:56
I can see you. I'm gonna mute myself go to blow my nose because that's rude.

Scott Benner 3:03
Sarah is now blowing her nose. She is finished.

Unknown Speaker 3:07
Oh, I didn't realize you were recording.

Scott Benner 3:09
Oh, no, I've been recording the entire time. So Introduce yourself.

Sarah 3:17
So my name is Sarah. I live in Denver area of Colorado. I'm 27 and change. I'm a graduate student at a university in Colorado. I'm a type one diabetic, sort of. And I am 25 weeks pregnant. Whoo.

Scott Benner 3:35
Congratulations. With a baby. I'm assuming we're going to name Scott. Is that right?

Sarah 3:41
It's a human. I do not know the sex.

Scott Benner 3:44
But listen, I don't know what Scott is works. I think it's a gender neutral name.

Sarah 3:52
Yeah, that's awesome names picked out but

Unknown Speaker 3:55
not Scott.

Unknown Speaker 3:57
No.

Scott Benner 3:59
But of course you won't. It's like it's such a short kind of Curt name doesn't feel I don't love it as a first name. So anyway, and I don't expect you to name your baby after

Sarah 4:17
playing with family names,

Scott Benner 4:19
are you so you are related to people who are worthy of their names moving into the future?

Sarah 4:26
Just the first letter so my mother in law has brain cancer. So the middle names for both sexes that we've come up with start with the first letter of her first name.

Scott Benner 4:35
That's very nice of you. Excellent. Yeah. Okay. So tell me something you just said I have type one diabetes, sort of what does that mean?

Sarah 4:42
So I was technically diagnosed with Lada latent autoimmune diabetes in adults when I was 26, so last March. I identify as a type one but I know that the medical community has issues with that occasionally.

Scott Benner 4:58
really well. Do You Do you know why?

Sarah 5:02
Um, yeah. So I think it stems from the origins of Type One Diabetes being juvenile diabetes, which in all honesty didn't make any sense anyway, because juvenile people grow up.

Scott Benner 5:16
Yeah, that's the goal. Right? So yeah, you know, it's funny that how many things we say or do because that's just the way it is, or something like that. So you have you actually bumped into somebody who's like, like, been like, Oh, that's not good usage, because you were diagnosed later.

Sarah 5:35
Yeah. So I mean, on all my charts, I'm a type one I identify as a type one. It's just my initial diagnosis was Lata. But people sometimes think it's part of type two, which it's, have you done your pro episode with Jenny about it yet?

Scott Benner 5:51
Not yet? No.

Sarah 5:52
Okay. Yeah. So my understanding, I'm not a doctor, but I feel like we all should have honorary endod degrees, to be honest. But my understanding is that it's a slower progressing form of type one. So it's still an autoimmune that attacks your pancreas. It's just slower than say, Arden, or children who have it pretty rapidly. onset

Scott Benner 6:15
just comes on pretty quickly. And and you have it, so it's not exactly like a long honeymoon. Where they don't about it that way, I think

Sarah 6:23
can be when you just depending on when you diagnose it.

Scott Benner 6:28
Yeah, yeah. Right. Well, how did it how early Do you think you caught it? And what was your I mean, forget what people say, what was your experience?

Sarah 6:36
Yeah, mine is a little funny. So when I was 15, I swear I'm gonna answer your question. But when I was 15, I had stomach issues. So I saw stomach Doctor Who thought I just had acid reflux, and for four years I was on a marathon or whatever it's called Nexium, whatever. And I felt horrible. So I finally decided to do something about it and went gluten free and felt way better. So then I saw different stomach Doctor Who diagnosed me with celiac. And then after my mother in law was diagnosed with brain cancer, I was stressed and traumatized and x y&z and I was diagnosed with hashimotos. This was when I was how old was I 25? Maybe. And then I went to an endocrinologist who ran antibody tests. And one of the antibody tests you ran was the GA d 65. If you're familiar,

Scott Benner 7:31
I'm not keep going.

Sarah 7:33
So that's one of the I don't clinically I can't tell you what that means. But I know that in layman's terms, it's if you come up positive, it means you're positive for type one of some sort. So we can test the antibodies through trial net, right? I think there's five of them. Yep. So jd 65 is a different one. I think. Don't quote me on that. But

Unknown Speaker 7:54
you're totally anybody. But I understand that you might not know for sure.

Sarah 7:57
No, I know. I'm not a doctor. But this podcast has no medical advice anyway. But anyway, I was really positive for jd 65. I think it's like under five is negative, and I was in the 1000s. And at the time, this was in California, she told me, you might develop type one later in life, just watch your agency. And I remember it being in the mid to high fives which was not diabetic, per se, but it was pre diabetic at points. And I've always been active and vegetarian and gluten free and it just didn't make sense. Anyway, fast forward, I moved to Colorado. I established a new endo for my hashimotos she was looking at my bloodwork and she goes you know you're type one, right? I said, Excuse me.

Scott Benner 8:43
Did you say do you know you have no bedside manner whatsoever? Right?

Unknown Speaker 8:47
I was like, what does that mean?

Sarah 8:50
So she stuck a libri on me for two weeks. I came back and they diagnosed me with Lada because I wasn't, you know in the 600 500 400 300 daily, but I would spike to the 250s occasionally, so that end up ended up being a dingdong. So I ended up switching to a new center, the Barbara Davis center in Denver, which is phenomenal. Yeah, I've heard they're phenomenal. And I walked in three months post diagnosis on a Dexcom no insulin, because the first endo refused to put me on insulin unless I was over 200 for three days straight.

Scott Benner 9:26
Really? Yeah. You wouldn't be over 200 for three days straight or you couldn't have any insulin.

Sarah 9:31
That was her textbook diagnosis. Yeah,

Scott Benner 9:34
this is the dodo you're saying? That ding dong, ding dong, ding dong. Ding Dong Dodo. Nice. Yeah. What's the difference? Well, what's, how was hashimotos explained to you? Like, why is that not hypothyroidism? Or like, I don't know all of you. You want to read together as

Sarah 9:54
well. So I know that it's one of the same. It's just one is the autoimmune so hashimotos means that my body attacks my thyroid. And they diagnosed it with antibodies to be a bloodwork and then an ultrasound to check for nodules, aka mini tumors, which I didn't have but one side of my thyroid was like double the size of the other something.

Scott Benner 10:14
So what I'm seeing here is inflammation of the thyroid causes a leak resulting in excess thyroid hormone, which puts you hyper over time the inflammation prevents the thyroid from producing enough hormone. hypo symptoms include fatigue and unexplained weight gain. It's funny that it says unexplained weight gain. Of course, it is explained by the hashimotos. A weird choice.

Sarah 10:38
Yeah, unexplained by lifestyle factors explained by the thyroid.

Scott Benner 10:42
Yeah, like you're just eating all normal and everything and gaining weight and you can't stop. Did any of that happened to you?

Sarah 10:48
Yeah. So, I mean, I was in the hospital, not for myself for my mother in law pretty frequently. So I wasn't totally taking care of myself. And I actually went to the ER, which with heart with chest pains, which now I know is a sign of high blood sugar for me. So I felt absolutely horrible. And nobody checked my blood sugar. It was all about the heart, my heart was fine. I'm assuming if someone had actually checked my blood sugar would have had a high blood sugar. So this was six months before the positive god 65. And then, like a year and change before my actual diagnosis,

Scott Benner 11:28
one time Arden's as she got bigger, so she was on Synthroid at the time, and she grew. And it just never occurred to us that as she got bigger, she'd need more Synthroid. And so she started having these incredibly low blood pressures. like she'd like, sit at the kitchen counter with her head down, just lay there, you know. And they jump, even though people knew she doctors knew she had hypothyroidism. They jumped right to like heart issues. And they put her through all these heart tests that she just flat out didn't need. And I kept saying, you know, after a couple of doctor's appointments, I was like, could this just be your thyroid, you know, and people are like, Oh, it's too severe and blah, blah, and like, so one day I just said to Kelly, I'm like, I'm just gonna give her more of it. I just I am it because if it works, we'll know soon. And if it doesn't work well, and she just like, she was like a flat. You ever seen a flower just like, not get enough water? And yeah, it's not dead. But you're like, this thing's gonna die in like two days, you know that you put water in it like the next day, you come out like, oh my god. Yep, that's exactly what happened to her. She just popped right back up again. I was like, That's amazing. And then I call the doctor. I was like, Well, guess what? I gave her more. And this work. Now you might want to be more specific about how much more she wants, because I just was like, and half a pill because I didn't. I kind of did it the way I do. And so I'm like, let's see if more helps. You know, it's a fascinating issue. All I knew was Oh, sorry. No, no God,

Sarah 13:01
when you procreate, the second you have a positive pregnancy tests, they increase your Synthroid or levothyroxine or whatever pill you're on. No

Scott Benner 13:09
kidding. Because Do you know why?

Sarah 13:14
not medically, but I know that it has something to do with the baby. I'm gonna

Scott Benner 13:17
find out find out when I do the thyroid episode, I'll make sure I ask.

Sarah 13:21
Yeah, that's like, one of the first things I did was increased my legal thyroxin or Synthroid okay.

Scott Benner 13:28
Yeah, that I ardent uses to dissent now, only because through the process of making sure we were doing the exact right thing for as best as we could. We found that tiersen doesn't have any fillers whatsoever. So not that, you know, but it didn't change anything. Like we went from Synthroid to tears. And it's not like she was suddenly like, I feel so much better. It just, this works just as well as the other and she's using it now. So but we've tried everything, we tried switching her insulin, to make sure she didn't have a sensitivity to like fillers in a pager, which she ended up not having. And because moving too fast, didn't change anything. Actually, it changed a lot about how insulin worked, which was really interesting, but I'm going to do another episode about that somewhere else. But um, but it didn't change anything. You know, when you're just sort of like you did it like you were like, I'll eat gluten free now and see what that does. So are you a vegetarian or vegan? Or how do you eat?

Sarah 14:22
lifelong vegetarian,

Scott Benner 14:23
vegetarian? Okay. Did your family raise you that way?

Sarah 14:27
Yeah, sort of my parents are both physicists. So we had a nanny growing up. And she was vegetarian.

Scott Benner 14:34
Which made you a vegetarian? Yeah. It's like, it's like when you hear somebody say, I watched Dancing with the Stars because my wife watches Dancing with the Stars. So I love it too. Because

Sarah 14:48
I'm married to a six Ford German guy, so he eats enough meat for the both of us.

Scott Benner 14:52
So do you not have there's no moral issue with you? It's just an eating style.

Sarah 14:59
No I love animals a lot. So like a lot a lot. I don't know why but I do. So I don't like the smell of it especially pregnant. I really don't like the smell of it.

Scott Benner 15:09
Okay with that protein and the kind of blood base that's in red meat especially yet not a pet you don't sit across from your husband going, you mother doing Thank you don't spend the whole time he's eating his cheeseburger wondering out loud what the cow would be doing with its life right now. If it wasn't for him, it isn't. It doesn't hate you like that?

Sarah 15:31
No Are my philosophies if they don't get mad at me for being vegetarian or tease me with me, then I won't do the same.

Scott Benner 15:39
I have a theory that everyone doesn't care so much about what other people do as much as the internet makes it feel like people care. You know? So yeah, I just think that if you if you if you feel that way, I think that's amazing. You know, if you were like, Look, I'm not gonna eat meat, because animals and I love them too much. And I can't do it. I think that makes 1,000,000% sense. And I think if you think I want a cheeseburger, I've grown up this way. And this is how I eat. I think that makes sense, too. So it's interesting that you guys are blended like that. Does he ever touch your vegetables?

Sarah 16:15
Actually, I don't cook my husband cooks.

Unknown Speaker 16:18
Oh, so you can't complain at all.

Sarah 16:20
So well, pregnant, you eat weird things anyway, but so when we moved to Colorado, he decided that our kitchen would be gluten free, which was really generous of him. Because I've celiac. Yeah. So he eats completely gluten free in the house. And then if he goes out not so much with COVID, but he'll eat gluten. But we just finished our basement so and we have like a fridge and a toaster oven down there. And that will be the gluten kitchen.

Scott Benner 16:49
Well, that's interesting. So a person who has no sensitivity to gluten at all, can not eat it. And he probably doesn't experience anything different than when he does eat it.

Sarah 16:58
No, but you know, we did 23andme because I'm from an egg donor, which is unrelated to all this. But anyway, I wanted to see if I could find any half siblings, which I did not. But um, oh, he has one of the two celiac genes and I have the other so the kids screwed.

Scott Benner 17:16
Hey, good. Can the baby hear me? Good news, buddy.

Sarah 17:20
Yeah, they're I think they're asleep. Right now. They were awake earlier.

Scott Benner 17:23
Oh, wait, hold on a second. You say they?

Unknown Speaker 17:27
Yeah.

Scott Benner 17:28
Like, is there like 12 of them in there? Oh,

Sarah 17:31
it's gender neutral.

Scott Benner 17:33
Oh, I was like, I wasn't sure if you were going with with pronoun there. Or if it was like, literally like two and I think I didn't think she was having twins. Okay. Yeah, you'd probably be bigger by now. You're in a super pale of super pale origin, too. So yeah, it's your hair red.

Sarah 17:52
Yeah, it's just Yeah, it is.

Scott Benner 17:54
Yeah. So are you more like Irish English, that kind of vibe.

Sarah 17:59
Um, so I'm from my father. And then I'm, I have a twin and then we're from an egg donor. And I did the 23andme. And I made my father do it to see what came up is and I know you're adopted. So yeah, it's actually might be interested. Interesting. But, um, I've concluded that the egg donor was 100% Ashkenazi Jewish, which does not actually mean anything ethnicity wise, but I've narrowed it down to that she was from Germany. But thank goodness and not really to my husband, because I was quite nervous.

Scott Benner 18:30
What do you think you would have done if it came back? And you were like, really close in line? Would you have been like, Look, you can stay as the cook, but we're not having sex anymore?

Sarah 18:38
I don't know. I don't know. I didn't want to think about it. Because it's a little scary.

Scott Benner 18:42
Creepy. Hey, the good news is if you stay married a little longer, you're not gonna have sex anymore anyway, so don't worry about

Sarah 18:48
Yeah, that's what I've heard.

Scott Benner 18:51
It won't matter. You'll just be like, I mean, he's a great cook. And I like him. He's nice to that kid. So it'll be fun. No,

Sarah 18:58
he's a really nice guy. I got really lucky.

Scott Benner 19:00
Yeah, good for you. That's excellent. I'm noticing I have more and more listeners in the Denver area. They're popping up more frequently. I don't know what's happening over there. But you people gotta you got to stop getting hype on TV. So much of Utah, Denver are like way on the rise for the for the show. It's interesting. I

Sarah 19:21
maybe it's because of Barbara Davis center is such a phenomenal.

Scott Benner 19:25
I think it's a share center. It's that people start sharing the podcast, and it grows that way. I don't think it has anything to do with people having diabetes in certain areas. Yeah, if I had that kind of power, then I'd be like, if someone gets diabetes, they just immediately listen to the podcast. That would be that's another level, then you would actually hear ego from me. Just so you know. I'd be like, I'm all powerful, but no, I just think some nice people are passing the show around. So you haven't had diabetes for very long at all. How long? Tell me again, how long you had a thyroid issue? When was that diagnosed again? You're

Sarah 20:02
about a year before the diabetes, so about two and a half years,

Scott Benner 20:05
but you live for four years thinking you had reflux

Sarah 20:09
15 to 19, aged 15 to 19. I, I didn't think I had reflux because the next team did nothing but someone diagnosed me with bird. Okay, gastrointest something's going on like

Scott Benner 20:19
that, that those medications, even the over counter ones for reflux can block your ability to take up iron. Did you know that?

Sarah 20:28
I know. So I was severely anemic when I was finally diagnosed with celiac, which could have been either the celiac or the Nexium or both,

Scott Benner 20:36
you realize that some people listening right now are think you're anemic? Because you don't eat any meat, right? So we're not, you're not gonna make any more. Sorry, you're not any make any more, right?

Unknown Speaker 20:47
No, no, no, no.

Scott Benner 20:49
So I really think that might have something to do with it. Honestly, that those, those those medications block the uptake of iron and you don't need very much iron at all. But when you don't have it, it's, you know, it plays hell on you. Like I've been fighting through that for like, two years now I finally feel better, but it's horrible. It just it feels like you've been awake for your whole life. And sleeping doesn't do much for you and you know, etc. This whole body thing to fine tune instrument. And when you when you off tune it a little bit things start going haywire. So tell me

Sarah 21:27
that, actually, oh, sorry. It actually sounds like hashimotos. Like you sleep forever and ever and ever, and you still are exhausted.

Scott Benner 21:34
So many of these problems result in the same kind of like that. That's why you have so much trouble figuring out stuff for Arden because she also her iron was low as well, like so she got her pitch started getting her period. And it just, you know, every time it took us forever, I should say, like, you'd look at her and think, let me start over. So she had the issue where she grew and this and the Synthroid wasn't enough. So she got super tired and her blood pressure went low. And then as her iron depleted, it looks exactly the same. Yeah, so then the doctors were like, now we know what this is. So they were giving her more thyroid, but it was she was anemic. But if you jack someone's thyroid up, you can make their little you can make them hyper, which can mask your symptoms. So then the symptoms got masked, but of course that didn't last forever. And we were at our like the end of our rope. We were like that's it she Why don't we just like, like, we were thinking about maybe pushing her like in a hole or leaving or something like that, like it was getting tough. You know what I mean? And one day, I figured out my iron thing. And once I got the iron back, me and my brain turned back on. And my wife and I could talk about it like reasonably. I said to Kelly, I'm like, hey, do you think Arden's iron could be low as like it's perfectly mimic it? You know, now that I stopped and think about it, and we took her in. And her iron was incredibly low. Incredibly, yeah.

So she got a couple of infusions. And then she was okay after that.

Sarah 23:13
She on iron supplements currently. No,

Scott Benner 23:15
it's holding up now. So that's good. Yeah, I don't I don't know. She'll get tested again. That poor kid gives a lot of blood, but she'll get tested again soon to find out. And we're actually going this week to get her thyroid levels because we're the doctor still adjusting her thyroid. I'll tell you that's the thing to understand about thyroid is it's if you think you're going to do one blood test, take a pill, and a year later try it again. That is not the way to figure it out. It really isn't.

Sarah 23:43
hashimotos is actually my easiest. autoimmune. celiac is my favorite and diabetes is my least favorite.

Scott Benner 23:51
I didn't know you had them on. You had them read it. And not even on the actual same scale, by the way. Easiest, that one's over their favorite because I'm guessing you like the way you eat. And then how do you like eating? And what is it like to eat gluten free? What are your go twos.

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Sarah 27:13
Oh, that's an interesting question. So pre pregnancy I was pretty low carb just easier to manage the blood sugar. But in pregnancy you're supposed to eat like 180 grams of carbs a day because carbs equals energy energy extol equals growing baby. So I've really had to change my diet. So like for breakfast, I had granola and fruit and yogurt which I would have never eaten before

Scott Benner 27:36
because of the carbs.

Sarah 27:38
Yeah, a lot of carbs a lot of fat sugars. So I don't know you know, I don't notice it. For me. It's normal to eat gluten free. Yeah, just a lot of normally gluten free stuff. Rice, brown rice, if I need it, polenta, spaghetti squash, things like that,

Scott Benner 27:55
I think I'm coming to the conclusion that for me personally. Flour, whether it is in a cookie or bread is is probably the bane of my existence. Like, like my in my because I can, I don't know about you, but I could get like a fresh loaf of bread and, you know, just eat it over three days and not eat anything else and be perfectly happy. And it's I know, it's not good for me. It's funny, as you're talking, I'm preparing two days from now to record with a with a doctor who promotes a complete carnivore diet. Like just the opposite way. So I've been doing this thing like, like, I've been recording with people like how they eat. So you know, talking to gluten free low carb. Now we're gonna have a carnivore, I want to have a vegan, like, I just want to talk to everybody. Because there's so many different ways of eating. I'd like everybody to be able to like explain it. I have no, you know, I have no skin in the game. I don't care how anyone eats and you know, you listen, I really don't, I don't think twice about that everybody who has type one diabetes is going to use insulin. It just depends on how much and when. But I think understanding how to use it impacts everybody's eating. So I just thought you know what it's not, it's not me saying this is the right thing to do, or that's the right thing to do. Because I didn't I genuinely don't have a feeling about that. But I think it's I think it's kind of important to talk about, I want somebody to have the nerve to come on and say I've just a standard American diet. I eat a lot of processed food. I have meat, I have vegetables once in a while I drink soda. Like I want someone to come on and talk about that as well. So but this guy is gonna, you know, he's going to talk about you know, that that that side of the theory that you know a long time ago people just ate meat and

Unknown Speaker 29:45
oh paleo

Scott Benner 29:46
Yeah, well, it but even more so like, I don't understand the difference even so they call it carnivores. It'll be interesting to find out the whole reason I reached to him as a doctor instead of just a person with type one diabetes. To eat that way, is because I thought he could speak very specifically to fat and protein and how it makes your blood sugar go up because he's not type one, but he wears a CGM. So I thought, why don't we see what it looks like in a regular person who's also a doctor and can kind of explain it. So that's my, that's my roll call about having him on. I think that should be interesting, for sure. And then he can talk about how he eats too. Anyway. So how are you finding having diabetes? You manage with pens, needles, pumps, what do you do?

Sarah 30:31
Um, I will say diabetes is annoying. Very annoying. So in the beginning, I was definitely still honeymooning. So I was just on receba once a day, usually, I didn't even Bolus for meals unless it was like Thai food. So I felt like a baby diabetic, but a great intro into this world. And then, a couple months before pregnancy, I noticed I had to start bolusing for meals, so I was on humulus Jr. Because you can do half units. actually really liked it. I still have some pens in my fridge. And then a couple months, I knew I was gonna start trying to get pregnant. So then I asked my endo for a pump. And I know you promote Omnipod. But I chose the tandem t slim.

Scott Benner 31:14
I know people that love the T slim.

Sarah 31:16
I love my T slim. And she kind of was like, well, we need to fudge the numbers a little bit because you're only using you know, 10 units a day. But if you think it'll be helpful for your management, and I know you want to get pregnant. So now I'm on Dexcom and the T slim. And I'm in sleep mode 24 seven on control IQ. And I love it. My agency is phenomenal for pregnancy, and I feel pretty good. And I wake up in range every day.

Scott Benner 31:44
I was gonna say what is your range? Which What are you shooting for?

Sarah 31:48
Yeah, so that's an interesting thing with control IQ. So pregnancy, the textbook is they want you under 100 or under 90 fasted. And then under 120. Post meal not over 140 ever. Let's be real, that's impossible, especially with insulin resistance. So I shoot for an agency under six. And however I manage that is however I get it.

Scott Benner 32:10
Yeah. That's interesting about the resistance. So how much did you You said you're using like less than 10 units a day. But how much are you really using now that you're pregnant?

Sarah 32:19
So I'm 25 weeks, so I'm almost in third trimester and yesterday I use 65 units. Hey,

Unknown Speaker 32:24
so

Unknown Speaker 32:26
real diabetic.

Unknown Speaker 32:29
You're in the game now. You went from

Unknown Speaker 32:32
stressful?

Unknown Speaker 32:34
What is stressful,

Sarah 32:36
just managing it's like, especially the guilts that I feel carrying another human's life. And when I'm over 140, and they try to scare you. I'm not going to repeat the scary stuff. But anyone who's thought about getting pregnant with type one knows that they try to scare the heck out of you.

Scott Benner 32:52
Yeah. Well, there have been enough people on here who, who have been pregnant and not known it. And it a miscarriage comes pretty quickly if your blood sugar's high like that I just interviewed. I just interviewed a girl last night, who is a recovering heroin addict. And her diagnosis story is so folded in heroin use that she didn't see her her diabetes right away either. And she was pregnant in there and lost her baby. I that last night I came out of here. And my wife's like, you were in there for two hours. I was like, that was the most fascinating conversation I've ever had in my life. Because there was so much about her life that I just had no context for, you know, I'm like, I don't even drink and she's talking about, you know, oxy cotton. And you know how it moves into other things. And and by the way, I'll I don't know if this means anything? I think it does. You could not look at her. And think I'm looking at a person that used heroin for 10 years. Just you couldn't, you couldn't see it. I don't know what that means. But, you know, we're doesn't mean but i just i never in a million years would have guessed if you lined her up with a bunch of people and made me pick. It just wouldn't have been hard. It's It was kind of fascinating. But But back to your insulin resistance. I'm gonna start talking more about this. Because I'm fascinated with leaps in insulin use and how people's minds can't wrap around it right? Because it's always doubled. You always hear people online say I made it 100% more and it still didn't work. So, so that must not be it. You know, like and they'll do it like for like little kids or for adults. Like you know somebody who's basil, I don't know, point five an hour, they'll be like I made it one. My blood sugar still 250 What else do you think could be wrong? And I'm like that you limited yourself by doubling your basil and thinking that there's something about that. The percentage I've moved, there's it's the 100 it's just you know what I mean by that like, it's just I made it 100 2% more. That's an in their mind that's like, that's as far as I could go. You don't? I mean, yeah, I'm gonna, I'm gonna find a way to talk about that more, because I see that with so many people as a limiting problem for them. But how do you how do you make the leap? How do you get to like 65? You just see the need and just meet it with insulin.

Sarah 35:21
Yeah, it was scary in the beginning, because pre pregnancy if I bought those two units, I would have been scared of lows just because I didn't really need that my pancreas was still producing some insulin for me. Yeah. So I just, you know, my endo at the beginning, I love her. She said, pregnancy is going to make your insulin go psycho, one way or the other, you're going to go low, you're gonna go high, you're gonna use a ton, you're gonna use nothing. She said, Do not think about the number. Think about, it's helping you grow your baby. And that's it. So I try not to look at the number. Occasionally I'll go in and look at the totals. And then if it's really wonky, like one day, I had 85 units that before bed, I mean, before dinner, and I changed my infusion set turned up who was kinked. So that's how you use it. But I try not to get in my head about it. I think, as diabetics, we already have so many numbers running around, and it's really a platform for an eating disorder. So that was my thing with pregnancies. I'm not counting carbs, I'm not looking at my weight. I'm focusing solely on the diabetic numbers. And that's it. And that was my boundary with the doctors.

Scott Benner 36:27
What do you think that is? About the idea that a lot more insulin feels wrong to people?

Sarah 36:36
Um, I think it might be shameful because we've grown up in a society where type twos make up the majority of the diabetic population and being on insulin is sort of a shameful thing.

Scott Benner 36:49
And so if you can get away with a little bit of it, that's okay. But once So, I have I sneak a cigarette after dinner, but I don't smoke all the time. Like that kind of thing. That feeling of if I do enough of it. See, it's funny, because I don't have type one, I can't wrap my head around it. You know what I mean? And I've always just been very just used as much insulin as the situation requires mindset. But I do I do understand what you're saying. And and I've heard it echoed by a ton of people, honestly, you know, which is why I wanted to talk about it as well with you and and with, you know, somebody else in the future because it's it. It doesn't make any rational sense that it feels like a failure to use three units for a meal instead of one unit for a meal. But it's but it totally is how people feel sometimes.

Sarah 37:45
I think for me, it was more fear, because pregnancy lows are way worse than normal lows for me. So the couple times I've been like really low for me, it was horrible. And so I think it was more the fear of like last night I Bolus 11 units for dinner, which had you told me that pre pregnancy I would have laughed at you. I'd have to eat like handfuls of cotton candy. Um, so I think it's just the fear of miscalculating and going extremely low. It's there's no shame in my numbers for me personally, but I understand the stigma. And I had a family member. We were on FaceTime recently while I was pregnant, and my pump was beeping, whatever. And they said oh why are you using insulin? Can you just take a pill? You know, my family member was had diabetes during pregnancy like you gestational is not like me, she just took a pill. Why can't you just take a pill, you know, you need less insulin. And I was like we're getting off the phone now. I'm gonna send you an email with academic articles about how wrong that is. So I think that's just the stigma in a lot of communities in America unfortunately.

Scott Benner 38:53
Look who thinks they know something

Sarah 38:56
like gestational I wish

Scott Benner 38:59
I would buy that get I would pay money to switch to gestational Is there a switch? I can throw it? I mean, I understand that. Listen, I understand a person having a different experience, not understanding your situation. And voicing the experience. I don't get the doubling down and the being nasty about a part. That's strange to me, but very, very human. For some reason everybody thinks they have the better answer. And it isn't enough to just share it with you. They want you to accept it. You know, like I do you think do you think she thought she was saving you? Or do you think she felt like I know better than you and you're not listening? I wonder what that is? Not that you would know either. But I'm fascinated by that.

Sarah 39:44
I think it's an ageist thing as well. Oh really? Like they know better because I'm in my mid 20s

Scott Benner 39:50
Oh, you're young you couldn't possibly understand this. Like,

Sarah 39:53
yeah, but I'm type one.

Scott Benner 39:55
How can I have it? You don't but even Yeah, no That's that that translates, right? Because we talked about it earlier, right? The way people eat, you know, you have a, you seem to have a what I consider a reasonable idea like I am, you know, I eat vegetarian, and you can if you want to or not, and whatever, and not, you know, I'm gonna spend my entire life screaming as loud as I can at everybody who doesn't understand and believe what I believe. But it really does happen a lot, doesn't it? So what did we talk about last time that we haven't gotten to yet that your brain is going? I can't believe he hasn't asked me about this, because I know there's got to be something.

Sarah 40:35
So last time, we talked, I was still on injections. I wasn't on the pump, yet. I was barely using insulin. So you really talked about or you asked me questions, I think about how it was being a slow onset diabetic and how that feels. And being integrated in a type one community when you're still sort of a baby diabetic, per se.

Scott Benner 41:00
So you were trying all aspects? Yeah, you were trying and you're involved online a little bit, right?

Sarah 41:05
Yeah, occasionally, yeah.

Scott Benner 41:07
Yeah. Did you just feel like an outsider, like, I don't really have the same diabetes they have.

Sarah 41:12
So I did not feel that way. I don't judge people in their management of anything, medical or not. But people judged me, which was hard. And not just me, but like the identity of Lada or slow onset type one.

Unknown Speaker 41:28
Okay. So that was, I mean,

Sarah 41:30
I'm a type one I just managed differently at the beginning of another type ones.

Scott Benner 41:34
So is the is the larger issue, you show up in a space, your life's been turned upside down, you have diabetes, but you show up and these people don't think your diabetes is, I don't know, as diabetes as their diabetes. And so you're not the same. And you get shunned away for that, like, you're not allowed to be part of this group.

Sarah 41:56
I wouldn't say shunned but I would say almost laughed at like I went. So there's a phenomenal adult type one Meetup group in Denver. Not during COVID,

Scott Benner 42:08
pre COVID. Like how everybody has to say that I wear a mask, don't worry.

Unknown Speaker 42:14
Like, okay, I believe it. But go ahead during COVID, of course, but pre pre COVID

Sarah 42:20
I remember going to my first meetup and being brand new. And you know, I was still on interesting, but I just wasn't on very much homologue and identified as a type one, because that's what my medical records say. And it doesn't matter anyway. I remember someone being like, you haven't been in the 300. yet. You're not a real diabetic. It was like shaming me for having a half working pancreas. It was really odd.

Scott Benner 42:41
Yeah. Well, you would think that people would say, hey, that's great. You want to know what's going to happen later? You know, cuz I could tell you because it's happening to me right now. And I wonder if that just is from the people who are there onsets very quick, and they never got to experience what they probably seems like a, you know, the classic definition of honeymoon, which is, you know, a whimsical, free time, you know, and maybe they're jealous. That didn't happen for them that way. I don't know. Doesn't make sense to me. You're at a meetup group, you'd think these would be the people? Excuse me? Who would be like, let me explain more to you. I tell you I don't Are you in my facebook group?

Sarah 43:24
Yeah, yeah, actually, I accidentally said or didn't and arcimoto is a new correct.

Scott Benner 43:29
Okay, so I think that is the most inclusive space I've seen so far. I don't see people arbitrarily being you know, snippy with each other, I think is probably the best way to put it, like just wanting to infer my diabetes is worse than yours, or, you know, like that kind of I don't see that in there. I mean, I haven't, it just hasn't been a problem. I keep crossing my fingers that it keeps going that way. Because I don't understand that. I mean, I guess there's a psychological understanding, but I just don't know what it is.

Sarah 44:04
I did have a couple people when I shared my story at these initial meetups. That said, That's amazing. Keep your beta cells as long as you can. So there are people that are supportive and understand honeymooning and things like that. So these sort of negative folks are one off, but I think changing my identity to type one as opposed to a lot of helped a lot.

Scott Benner 44:26
Yeah, especially because I've now spoken to so many people who have or had been lotta, and they can't really define it. Do you know the mean? Like, are you okay? What's How? I'm

Sarah 44:39
just 143 I sorry,

Unknown Speaker 44:42
I'm gonna pull this I were bolusing

Sarah 44:45
pregnancy they. It's like, every second I have an alarm.

Unknown Speaker 44:50
You're bumping and nudging a lot are you?

Unknown Speaker 44:53
Oh my goodness.

Sarah 44:56
Have you seen the T slim Connect app the new app

Scott Benner 44:59
I saw picture of it. I haven't seen it like up close. Do you

Sarah 45:03
want to see on the video and we can explain it? Let me see. Let me pull it up. It's actually pretty cool. It's helpful for me. So it mimics your it's going to take a second I just bought but it mimics your Dexcom and then it can show you what your number when you bolused Cinema 143 and it told me I'm alarmed. Oh, yep. When I just gave three units extended. Okay, but you can scroll. How far

Scott Benner 45:30
Oh, like sugar, mate. You can roll backwards. I like that.

Unknown Speaker 45:34
Yeah, you can see like, I stack the stack to stack yesterday.

Scott Benner 45:38
It's not stacking if you need it, sir.

Sarah 45:42
Yeah, but I just couldn't come down below. And again, I know my control is way tighter in pregnancy, but I just you can see I was barely under

Scott Benner 45:48
1.0. That's really amazing. That's a good app. I like that. Oh,

Sarah 45:52
it's phenomenal. And you can see you can't Bolus from it yet or anything. But you can see like, what my Basal rate is what my carb ratio is the time I started my Dexcom

Scott Benner 46:01
What's the functionality then you alarm? Did you pick your phone up? Or did you pick your pump up?

Sarah 46:07
My pump vibrated because it's set at 140 for pregnancy and post.

Scott Benner 46:12
Listen Ardennes is set at 124. Because I like to. I like to react sooner to avoid those sorts of things. We just made a pretty large Bolus before I started recording with you. And she's like, I didn't get an alarm. And I said no, my phone set lower than yours.

Sarah 46:30
Oh, that's interesting. Yeah, my decks comes at 120. So that's why I was looking at my watch because my watch was alarming me. But yeah, I had a bunch of insulin on board. So I wasn't correcting it.

Scott Benner 46:38
I hear I have an alarm that's 10 points lower than hers for her high. So that, you know sometimes we're not together, right? Sometimes it takes, you know, communication time. So I'm always about knowing what I'm doing in time to make it a valuable decision. You know, I don't want to hear like I don't want to hear 130 because the way Arden's blood sugar's work. 130 is going to be 150. But 120 I can stop 150 is sort of the idea. And I do want to move it down. I do want I would rather my alarm go off at 110 and hers go off at 120. But we're getting to that. So we'll see. I'm just trying to put her in a mindset.

Sarah 47:24
Think that's another interesting part of being diagnosed as an adult. My parents were not involved in my management. They never will be

Scott Benner 47:29
Yeah, ever.

Unknown Speaker 47:31
Ever. Yeah.

Scott Benner 47:34
You're like, no, for sure. They're definitely not. You should get that. Sorry, get that and to help you. Or whoever she was. I'm sorry. You

Sarah 47:43
have a gestational. I made the mistake of putting my mom on my Dexcom really early on. That wasn't no mistake. So yeah, it's interesting as an adult because, like my parents couldn't ever do this. And they never did. That's the thing.

Scott Benner 48:01
Yeah. No, it would take it would probably take you him you don't live with them. It would take you years to explain to them and and so they had it meaningfully. Let them listen to podcasts. They want to understand it better. And they'll be up here but they'll be like Sarah, we don't want to do we were listening to Episode 214. And give me like, leave me alone.

Sarah 48:21
It's interesting because for labor a lot of the hospitals make you go on an insulin drip. Have you heard this? Uh huh. Yeah, I have. So I'm refusing unless I'm like in a coma because one control like you smarter than I am about my diabetes. So why would I give up control? But also standard is they put you on an insulin drip, check your blood sugar by finger prick once an hour, and then adjust once an hour.

Scott Benner 48:46
You've seen that you've seen the other side. You're not going to do that. You heard Samantha talk about it right about her delivery. On the show.

Unknown Speaker 48:52
Um,

Scott Benner 48:53
I think I listened to the first episode of hers. Okay. Yeah, she, she came on and talked about it. She was you know, had had her baby already. And he's very cute. And, and she talked about the delivery and how she managed, she said her husband up so that if something happened, he could keep doing it. They managed straight through on their own. Everything was great. And then after the baby, of course, her insulin needs like, immediately went back down. She talked a little bit about and we're going to talk more about this with some other people who've been pregnant the how she how striking it was that after the baby was there, how they treated her like a standard hospitalized diabetic again, it was like I think she said it was kind of shocking the difference. Because the you know, the people, I don't think people really think about it in a hospital setting. You go into a hospital to have a baby. The people in that room are part of a team that work with the doctor. You've had that whole conversation with them. I'm gonna manage my blood sugar, blah, blah, that's all great. And then the baby comes out and now you're in the hands of complete Different people who you've never had that conversation with once. And now they're just like, this is how we handle people with diabetes, you're gonna get a finger stick every hour, this is going to happen. And you're, you're having this. She said, I think, if I'm remembering correctly in this moment where she was trying to just, you know, convalesce and enjoy your family. Suddenly, she was in this kind of hellscape of being treated, the way people treat you with diabetes. I know that Dexcom has been on recently talking about how COVID has allowed them to get CGM sensors into hospitals. And it's not going to be in time for you know, your birth, but hopefully they'll understand how to use them better in the future. I think it's a really good first step. So

Sarah 50:43
well, it doesn't matter because I'm signing any form that says, I'm controlling my own diabetes. They're not, they're not welcome to. Unless I'm in a coma, they are not welcome to give or any insulin dexterous. I think my husband knows how to use it. I have a diet bestie, who's going to be on call during labor for my husband and call her with anyhow?

Scott Benner 51:01
Yeah. Let me say this, and I'll talk around just a little bit. But it's possible that when Arden had her laparoscopic, to take out the cyst that I might have forgotten to turn the loop off when she went into the operating room, it just I forgot. And that was fine. Turned out that loop work great. Even when she was having her little surgery for 45 minutes. It's, there's no reason to think it's not going to work the same. Because that you know of that. And I showed that look, I showed them how to like, I'm like you can disable this right here. Like if you want to shut her her insulin off completely. I was like, do this. And it'll be off, you know, and then you can manage it any way you want. If there's a problem while she's in there, I didn't put her into a situation, but they were just like, we don't want this thing to make decisions while she's under it. I'm like, Yeah, you do. You just don't know it.

Sarah 51:56
Right? Why isn't l&d nurse know more about my diabetes than control IQ that's been watching my patterns for at that point nine months, right?

Scott Benner 52:03
I told the story on here. But as you know, we've had the initial conversation with the doctor doing the procedure. And she's like, yeah, that's fine. But then when the first nurse came into proper, she didn't have that conversation. She's like, No, you can't use this and have a nurse not walked in eventually, because I just kept retelling my story to anybody I made face contact with. One of the one of the nurses came in and she's like, Oh, my friends a type one. Let me see. And she goes, Oh, I've seen this before. And because she was there was nothing medical about it. She had some sort of like knowledge of like, I've seen a Dexcom screen before. Oh, yeah, sure. Go ahead. I was like, that's it. That's how we make decisions around here. Okay.

Sarah 52:41
What I had shoulder surgery in December, my third shoulder surgery but but my first is a diabetic. Yeah. And I went in with a Dexcom. I was on injections then. And I gave the actual what he called the receiver. I don't use it anymore. The anesthesiologist, and I remember him being like, Oh my god, am I gonna be responsible for this? What if it doesn't work? What happens?

Scott Benner 53:03
Worried about what's what could go wrong? Instead of focusing on all the things that are going to go right from this and by the way, you know how to handle it when when people don't have it? So just write it out and see what happens. You just said something that reminded me like we talked about that the first time like, Why do you have so many so have you had so many shoulder surgeries? You just love them? You're addicted?

Sarah 53:24
Sure, no, um, I was a serious rock climber in high school and I tore my labrum rotator cuff and bicep in Yosemite and it just kept. Now my shoulder works you can see in the video, but it's pretty amazing. So my first surgery was libram rotator cuff. Part of my collarbone second surgery, they cut my pec minor because I Thoracic Outlet Syndrome, I sent you that link. Make sure I didn't didn't have it. And then the third one in December when I wasn't diabetic was a bicep to desus which means they took my biceps long head anger out of its home and reattach it somewhere else. So I've a bunch of scars.

Scott Benner 54:02
Wow, that's a lot. I have also had rotator cuff surgery and I'm excited to put my arm over my head just like you did it. Mine's a little stiff still. You have a little stiffness.

Sarah 54:14
You know this last surgery this surgeon was phenomenal. I was so nervous going into it because the first two didn't help but ya know, it's the only limitation I have is weight bearing and that's why I did it because I could have because my bicep was torn. I couldn't hold a baby, hypothetically, but now I can't. But I have to

Scott Benner 54:32
say that's gonna come in handy. I I had a motorcycle accident when I was like 20 and I got thrown from a motorcycle and I came down on my head and my shoulder. So I hit like this and the shoulder hit the ground. I was like up and down. And I was broke. I have settled on here million times I grew up really broke. I wasn't riding a motorcycle for fun. I was riding a motorcycle because they were affordable transportation and To my shoulder, like, I still have like a lump here. Yeah, I see, right? There's like a, like a thing that sticks up. And they're like, you have to go the hospitals like you're not taking me to the hospital. It's like, I can't afford that. So I went home, and I laid there while my shoulder was, you know, really busted up inside. And for years, it just it I didn't notice like, it was okay. Like, once it healed, I was okay. But my God, like, I'm gonna say about five years ago now. I it just it got worse and worse and worse, I couldn't throw with my son anymore. And one day, I had a water bottle in my hand, we were actually at a thing my son was working out for college, trying to get recruited. And I couldn't walk around and hold the water bottle in my hand because it hurt too much. And I was like, I gotta go see a surgeon. So my, my bones had reformed. Like when they when I went in, and I got the initial X ray. The doctor said, I'll bleep this out. He goes, I wish you were a doctor. So you could look at this and see if your shoulder is then really understand it. And I was like, really, he goes, he goes, this broke, and it's all calcified over and it regrew, and he goes, and there's a spot where your rotator cuff like, goes like it runs through it moves. And he goes, and there's this lump there and the lumps been cutting your rotator cuff tendon your whole life, and it finally just snapped, has like you. And then he started showing me and I was like, Oh, that's like, and then he started showing me one from a book. I was like, oh my god. So they went in and they cleaned that bone up and reattach the ligament and everything but the recoveries not it's not quick. And it's not pleasant. So I should have went to the hospital that day and just had a bill I couldn't pay.

Sarah 56:47
I had to teach my husband had a braid my hair, because when you're in a sling, you can't do your hair.

Unknown Speaker 56:52
Yeah. Oh, the so the sleeping after the surgery was terrible.

Sarah 56:55
Oh, for anyone who's gonna get any shoulder surgery, you have to invest in the Lazy Boy, that is the only way you can sleep after shoulder surgery. And I've had three to be up

Scott Benner 57:05
Kelly would pile pillows around me at night and like, and I was up like this, and it worked for the most part, but man, it was bad. And I tried really hard to not use the pain medication to so they gave me the first one. I remember coming home. And Kelly's like, you know, they want you to take a pill now, like as I was coming out of the surgery has an I'll be alright. And the nurse like the main she's like, like just nodding her head like you're an idiot, you know? And so she finally spoke up and I said something incredibly inappropriate coming out of the anesthesia. So I think she was already like, what am I doing here with this moron, you know, but so when I started being a person again, she's like, seriously, she goes, just shut up and take the pill. And I was like, okay, so that first prescription I took. And then when it ended, I was like, I don't need more, but then I realized I did. And I said to the doctor, I'm like, you gotta give me something that's not as, like, harsh as this thing. So we kind of like stepped down from there. And I didn't finish that bottle. There was a day where I was just like, I don't need this anymore. I'm okay. Probably like two weeks into it, I think. But yeah, I mean, I'm thrilled I did it now, but it's kind of scary.

Sarah 58:15
Interesting thing for me after my surgery was I was still honeymooning, I was still mostly just under Seba, and my immune system for the next month healing focused on my shoulder instead of attacking my pancreas. And I swear I was not diabetic for a month.

Scott Benner 58:29
Now you think you think all the white blood cells ran somewhere else? They were busy with something else.

Sarah 58:34
I mean, I took off my Dexcom I had a Dexcom break for a month my agency came back lower than it was before. It was actually really astonishing. I was like I should have more surgeries it'll cure this.

Scott Benner 58:44
I don't want anyone listening to start cutting tendons in their arms to make their blood sugar's go down. I don't think that's going to work that might have been an anecdotal thing that she's

Sarah 58:54
a joke I make is my diversity and I we tried ever since. I've even talked about ever since on your podcast,

Scott Benner 59:00
the implantable CGM,

Sarah 59:02
the dumbest decision I've ever made in my entire life. Tell me why. What I can show you because we're on video. But ever since scar is bigger than nine out of 1211 out of 12 have my shoulder surgery scars. It's massive. And it was painful, even though they inject Medicaid, and it was inaccurate. And I live in Colorado and I'm active where it's sunny and any time I was in the sun, the stupid thing red over 300 even though I was well within range just because the sun affected the I don't know, it was the dumbest decision I've ever made to get that stupid thing.

Scott Benner 59:38
Ever since CGM sensing technology the dumbest decision I've ever made.

Unknown Speaker 59:43
Oh my gosh, it was a horrible device.

Scott Benner 59:46
Are they still making it? It went out of business didn't it? Didn't COVID pushed out of business.

Unknown Speaker 59:50
I hope so.

Sarah 59:53
But there's I have a diversity Sara. We're like doppelgangers. It's kind of crazy. But we met online in the online diabetic. community and we've tried ever since around the same time, and that's how we became friends.

Scott Benner 1:00:03
No kidding. Well, they, they still have hope you became friends because you hated it.

Sarah 1:00:09
Yeah, she posted on Instagram about how much she hated it. And I was like, wait, I hate it too.

Scott Benner 1:00:16
Well, it's they're still they still have a website. So I guess they're still in business. But I had heard. I felt like I heard towards the beginning of COVID that they couldn't ship product or something I forget now, I really don't know. Honestly, I'm just saying things I could be completely wrong about. But I feel like that's something I heard. Yeah, I think they're, it seems like they're still chugging along here. But I'm sure what it makes me feel like is, imagine you put on a Dexcom sensor that wasn't working really well. And you couldn't just take it off and put on another one because it was under your skin. That would be that seems like an issue to me.

Sarah 1:00:56
But I worry about that ever since in the Dexcom for two weeks together at the end of the ever since I only worked for two months. And then I called him I said get this stupid thing out of me. Right. Anyway, it was so incorrect. It made my management worse. was horrible.

Scott Benner 1:01:12
Jeez, well, that's a ringing endorsement.

Unknown Speaker 1:01:15
I love that song.

Scott Benner 1:01:18
Did we set this up? Tell people we did not set this up. Because I heard you say earlier I know it's in people's heads when they know the show. Like you're like, like I asked about your pump. And you're like, Well, I know you're promote on the pod but I have at least one. I don't. I don't think of it as promoting Omni pod. I think Arden uses an omni pod. I love it. And I can speak about it from her experience. She loves it. She could speak about it from her experience. And they buy ads on the podcast. Like I don't think that's the I don't know, like it might be a distinguishment my head that's unimportant. But like, I'm happy to talk about your T slim pump. And I don't think I don't think Omnipod thinks people don't believe there are other insulin pumps, you know. So

Sarah 1:01:58
I think once they come out with horizon or whatever, they renamed it, it'll be a game changer. But for me, I couldn't give up the control IQ.

Scott Benner 1:02:06
You want to. Yeah, yeah, on the part five, I think they're gonna call it. I think it's on the pod five with horizon. But I'm not. I'm not even certain but it does sound fancier like that. Yeah, yeah. I've talked to some people who were in trials, and they're not supposed to talk about it. And I definitely, and I definitely can't tell you what they told me. But it sounds like it's going well to me.

Sarah 1:02:29
So it's anything like control IQ. It'll be a game changer. Yeah.

Scott Benner 1:02:33
No, it's I think it'll be I mean, lupus stunningly amazing. So I think these algorithms are for anybody who wants them. Just once you get the settings, right. And you sort of just understand how it works. You know what I mean? And you can, and you can play in the sandbox. It is an algorithm and with some comfort, it's, it's amazing. I, I'm astonished by it. It's um, and when we first started doing it, Arden would say, why are we doing this when we're so much better at it than this is? And I said, well, sweetie, I agree with you. I was like, but I have slept a little more. So let's try to keep going and see what happens because I'm almost 50 and I don't know how much longer I can get up once a night every night of my life. I was like, it's okay once in a while. Like she was a little high last night. And I people will probably laugh at me like I didn't go to sleep until like two o'clock last night because Arden's blood sugar was stuck at like 145 sure, most people were like, You're an idiot, you should have went to sleep, but I was like, I can fix this. So like, I fixed it. I got her back to 90. And then I was kind of then I started a TV show. So I was like, I'll just finish my show. And then I went to sleep but I guess I had the Netflix thing not been in the mix. I would have been asleep like one o'clock, which, you know, but I just didn't want her to be 150 overnight.

Sarah 1:03:56
So is she not looping right now?

Scott Benner 1:03:58
She is it just wasn't? Oh, I think I what I'm thinking because I just she made basil changes this morning. I think our basil was a little low. I think this sedentary zoom lifestyle is starting to catch up with her a little bit. So

Sarah 1:04:14
yeah, you know, I'm a graduate student and I teach on zoom on remote and I sit on my behind all day.

Scott Benner 1:04:21
What do you think of teaching online? Do you think it's committed to being in person or no?

Sarah 1:04:26
You know, I love it selfishly. But I know my students are really struggling with being engaged in learning.

Scott Benner 1:04:34
And my son is talking about he's incense sometimes he's just like, I'm, I'm teaching myself. It's like this guy's making a speaking about one of his professors like he makes these videos. And then he chats during class. And then you have to go back and watch these like, it's almost like you're in two different classes, first of all, and he's like, you don't have the ability to look up and just say, hey, you just said something here. It didn't make sense to me. You know, you have to make a note and you have to go office hours and, and give you a lot of thought, you know, he's like sometimes people's office hours or during other classes. And I can't do that there's no kids to walk out of the room with and look at and go, Hey, did you understand, like all that little those pieces and he's taken take some pretty tough courses. So it's a it's been a it's been like a struggle for him. He's a really good student and it's been a struggle for him. Arden seems to love it. I don't think if you tend to art and she'd never had to go back to high school, she'd be like, Alright,

Sarah 1:05:33
I agree. We can eat during class, we don't have to worry about packing snacks.

Scott Benner 1:05:38
She's in her bed right now. Like, up against the wall with their knees up in her laptop. And he just got like a bottle of water over here. And, you know, she's just she seems pretty hot. But you know, she's not moving around as much as she needs to be. I think that's clear from her firmer insulin use. And I don't know, she's just she's a social person with her circle. But she's not looking to meet every person that goes to that school. Like, she's not like, Oh, no, I'm missing out on the dance or like, she doesn't have those thoughts. And she's like, she just doesn't care. But anyway, so is it easier for you to teach on zoom or learn on zoom?

Sarah 1:06:19
Oh, you know, both. I was so nervous about this sounds ridiculous. But I was I live in Colorado I was nervous about in December 8, eight months pregnant, waddling around an icy campus. I don't have that worry anymore because I just waddle from my toilet to here and my bed.

Unknown Speaker 1:06:35
What's yours from the toilet to here to my bed? The life of a pregnant person.

Sarah 1:06:42
And the fridge that to

Scott Benner 1:06:44
Arden probably wouldn't want me to tell you that she took her computer into the bathroom once. And she's like, the teacher called on me.

Unknown Speaker 1:06:56
Her video was on

Scott Benner 1:06:57
no no she she did that. Oh, they show like the you know the top of the head thing that they all like just they don't the videos on but you don't show them anything. So she muted her video, walked in, just you know, sat in there. And then she got called on. So she turned the video back on just show the top of her head answered and then shut it back off again. But she's like that I'm just taking it.

Sarah 1:07:18
See my students to get full attendance. They have to be present. Full Face view in the camera dressed not in pajamas. They can't be moving around because it makes me nauseous. Yeah. You have to be like you're in class.

Scott Benner 1:07:32
I'd rather be in pajamas than move around. Just so you know.

Sarah 1:07:35
Oh, yeah, absolutely. That makes me so nauseous. Yeah,

Scott Benner 1:07:38
she's dressed and it really she gets up and she gets ready. And you know, all that. She's just like, you know, I thought I could get away with it. And I was like, yeah, you should have known that wasn't going to work. You should just say look, I gotta i'll i'll be back, you know? But she's like, I didn't want to miss anything. And I was like, Yeah, I hear what you're saying. That doesn't work out. Usually.

Unknown Speaker 1:07:55
That's funny.

Scott Benner 1:07:56
She got pinched.

Unknown Speaker 1:07:57
It's comical. Yeah,

Scott Benner 1:07:58
it was a good time. What are we not saying that we should be saying? Anything? This is a nice conversation. I just don't know what we talked about a

Sarah 1:08:09
lot, a little bit. We talked about how she modos? I think so last time we talked about the last time with the recording. Yeah, that got deleted. We talked about the trauma and autoimmune. And my area of study was another topic, which isn't that important. Yeah,

Scott Benner 1:08:26
I was not pregnant. I was about to ask to remind me what your your advanced degree isn't.

Sarah 1:08:33
So I studied communication singular, which means I study human based theory. And my area of research is twofold. The first is sexual violence on college campuses, how we communicate about it or really not. And then, because of my recent diagnosis, I've also switched into how we communicate about disability, specifically invisible disabilities, such as Type One Diabetes.

Scott Benner 1:08:59
And did you get into that, that practice because of a personal situation?

Sarah 1:09:05
Yeah. So that's what we talked about last time was my experience as a sexual assault survivor, and how that's really fed my interest in this area of research. Yeah,

Scott Benner 1:09:17
I do. Remember now. It's hard to ask about twice the first time the first time, it's sort of like, hey, so how that happened, and you trip into it? And you're like, Well, I was, you know, and then I'm like, Okay, now we're talking about it. But now when I know what the answers are gonna be, it's hard for me to want to ask you that. That's a really I'm experiencing a very strange feeling of but that really is a that's an insight into me, in case you're wondering, like I wasn't, I had no trouble with it the first time we did it, because I didn't know what was going to come up. And now that I understand the direction that the conversation would go, I don't have it in me to ask you about it.

Sarah 1:09:54
You don't have to. It's I mean, I'm happy to talk about it because it's public knowledge but I also recommend Is that it's a content warning for a lot of folks.

Scott Benner 1:10:02
I don't listen, that's not the part I mind. I just I really like I. I don't know what maybe it's because I can see you this time too. I don't, I don't know, I'm trying to because I was just thinking before it came up, you are really a tremendous communicator. And so it makes it makes you seriously you speak measured, you don't speed up or slow down, you laugh appropriately so that it doesn't overwhelm my conversation. You're waiting for my cues. I'm, you know, all that you're a great communicator. And I'm trying to figure out what's wrong with me that now that I see you and you're younger, and I'm I all that, like, do you know what I mean? Like when it's just the voice? I can, I can just put you I don't know why it's very strange for me. But would you mind telling the story?

Sarah 1:10:54
No. So I will give a content warning for folks who may feel triggered by sexual violence, I'm not going to go into detail at all, because that's personal. But long story short, in my undergrad, I transferred from NYU to a school in Colorado. I liked New York City, but I liked rock climbing more. In my first year in Colorado, undergrad, I made friends with someone in a rock climbing group. And long story short, again, content warning. He got me incredibly intoxicated, I was 19 incredibly intoxicated and took advantage of me in his apartment. And I reported the and I'm not gonna use the word because I think it's quite triggering for folks. But the university call it non consensual sexual intercourse, which we all know what that really means. Yeah. Um, but anyway, I reported this incident to the university and to the police, because he was a member of the university. And I'm not sure if you're familiar, but most people signed codes of conduct or something similar for universities. One of them is, I won't steal from the dining halls, I won't harass people, I won't commit violence against people. It's a different level of proof. So through the university, he was found guilty, per se, through the code of conduct for a couple of things, including what I just said, had was kicked off campus. And then I went through the police system, which we know is very hard to find a conviction. And he wasn't convicted because it was just him. And I he said she said, but I was able to get a restraining order or protection order, which was the benefit of the police investigation. Anyway, long story short, the University didn't handle it, right, because they were going to allow my assailant back on campus semester after he committed the violence. And I was furious. So I ended up. I'm gonna say this very nonchalantly, but I ended up filing a title nine complaint against my university in Colorado with the government, because I was really mad at how they mishandled it. So now my researches in title nine and how policies around sexual violence on college campuses don't meet the practices, even though they may sound phenomenal on paper in their policies. The practices don't really line up because they want to cover their behind

Scott Benner 1:13:06
is that is that the crux of it right there. It's just about not being liable. It's about the college not wanting to open itself up to you suing them because they hired this person. Is that do you think, at its core, why it's not prosecuted differently? Or why he wasn't kicked off forever? Or do they mean like,

Sarah 1:13:26
Yeah, so the laws have changed recently. Partially for politics, but I will say so. Universities are afraid of getting sued on either side, and I threatened to sue them, we settled out of court. This is all public knowledge, some big bad secret. So you can do for Title Nine, you can do to a couple things. One is report internally to the university, I did that to the title nine office, you can go to the Office for Civil rights to the Department of Education and report an entire University at Whole, which I did. And then you can also sue them and or threaten to sue them for monetary settlement out side of the university, which I also did. But I think that they're afraid that if they expel an assailant, the saillant will sue them. So it's kind of goes back to find a middle ground where they meet the survivors needs but also they're not afraid of getting sued by the assailant.

Scott Benner 1:14:24
It'd be funny like if you're going to get sued by somebody why would that be the person you give the preferential side of the treatment to that's it but I I'm trying to as you're talking trying to put myself in that position like I'm making myself a college and trying to wonder about all the the avenues that we could take hits from if I was in this situation. I'm also thinking that sexual assault on a college campus is going to happen, right it's it's faded completed. It's going to happen like colleges don't not have that happen. Right?

Sarah 1:15:00
So my argument, and this is what I try to show in my research is that I think it stems from communication at a young age. So you know how, hopefully you didn't do this, but I'm not judging if you did, but you know, when you have toddlers, and you're tickling them, and they're laughing, and the thing stopstopstop, and you keep tickling them, you're breaking their consent to my own research based philosophy is that we need to teach what consent means from a very young age pre sexual consent. So that when we get to the age where there is sexual consent, people know what consent looks like, does it look like feels like doesn't feel like? So there's no ambiguity in the situation? If that makes sense?

Scott Benner 1:15:35
It does. No, it makes a lot of sense, and how you could carry that into adulthood. It could show you, like, everybody knows a person who doesn't want to be touched, if they don't know what's going to happen, or, you know, you can't just walk up to them and give them a hug or a kiss. And some people just really don't care. You know, it's a, it's a very personal thing. And it's not just personality, it definitely comes from something in their past, you know, something that happened to them, or was just a norm in their home that didn't jive with who they were, or something as horrible as this, you know,

Sarah 1:16:08
90% of college sex assaults are acquaintances. So it's not the typical story you hear of in a back alley behind a dumpster guy grabs girl off the street, it's most of them are acquaintances that they know and are familiar with. And typically, there's a lot of substance abuse involved alcohol or drugs or whatnot. Yeah.

Scott Benner 1:16:30
That sounds about right. Yeah, I know how to end on an up note, don't I, sir?

Sarah 1:16:36
Well, you know, we talked about this at the beginning. Last time, you're like, wow, I did not expect us to Yeah, talk about this.

Scott Benner 1:16:42
I just didn't, I didn't want to it's it's important. And I didn't want to let it go. So I just didn't know I was gonna have so much trouble bringing it up. The second time, it was really crazy. Because I've had so for clarity for people before we before we say goodbye. I had to change computer systems. And when I migrated, Sara's file didn't migrate the way I thought it did. It migrated as an empty shell. And I sat on my old computer system for months, but I'm so recorded out in the future, that by the time I got to wanting to put your episode up, and I found an empty shell of a file, the computer that I'd saved, I got rid of it. It was just taking up space and I blanked it out and I got rid it was it was junky do I actually that's a lie. I gave it to my mom. She's 78 She just needs the internet and stuff, you know, so I blanked it out and gave it to her. And then I actually got her if you can try to imagine I got my 78 year old mother on the phone. I was like, I need you to search my computer for Sara and let me spell the last name and then she's like, search on like the Spyglass mom, click on a Spyglass just like I was like, ah, but she did a good job. And she searched the computer. And it wasn't there, which I didn't expect it to be it was my last ditch effort. And then I had to do the difficult thing of contacting you and saying, Hey, I was about to put your episode out. And it turns out, I messed up. So I really appreciate you coming back on and talking about all this again. But we got the extra bonus of you being pregnant. What do you do? You said you're 25 weeks now. Um,

Sarah 1:18:13
so technically February 3, but they induce diabetics between 37 and 39. So

Scott Benner 1:18:20
yeah, excited. Are you nervous?

Sarah 1:18:23
Um, I'm absolutely thrilled. I think I've wanted a baby my entire life. I was just getting my husband on board. So we're gonna do some baby classes next month, he's gonna do a daddy bootcamp. Good for him.

Scott Benner 1:18:37
So he's getting on board was that being like we can afford it? We can do it, like laying out all the the intricacies of how you're going to? What are you going to do with the baby like, like, you just like put it like a like a crate when you go to work? Or you think you leave it with a person? Or how do you think you'll handle that?

Sarah 1:18:54
So I'm taking a year off graduate school medical leave to be a mom. Okay. And then I also we talked about this last time, too. I manage a website design company on the side. So I hired an assistant who will take over during my three month maternity and then keep doing that remote.

Scott Benner 1:19:11
Well

Sarah 1:19:11
sustained my Dexcom bills.

Scott Benner 1:19:14
That's it was that hard to like, bring an X an outside person into your like, one man business?

Sarah 1:19:21
No, it's not a one man business. I run someone else's website design business. So it's owned by a female entrepreneur. And then we have I think, at this point seven contractors underneath me that I manage,

Scott Benner 1:19:33
wow, oh, that's really cool. I just, there's times where I feel like I need help with this. And then I'm like, I don't want anybody else to be involved. Like, they just don't know my aesthetic, like how would I teach my aesthetic to somebody? How would I teach like, like when I'm editing How would I say to somebody like I would leave that so I don't take content out when I edit I take out noise but there's some breathing ice is gonna sound crazy, but there's some breathing noises that are distracting. And there are some breathing noises that tell your brain that person's continuing their thought and it makes it not feel broken. And I don't know, I just as I'm editing, I hear it right away. I'm like, I don't want somebody this will be distracting this needs to be here. I don't know how I would teach that to somebody, you know, but I don't know, maybe maybe I'm more of a control freak than I thought I was.

Sarah 1:20:23
That's okay, because it's your, your brand, but it's your it's you yet this podcast is us. So that makes sense.

Scott Benner 1:20:29
I have that feeling like it. Like if somebody started editing it up, it would just sound like they were, you know, like, it would sound like sound bites of me chopped together instead of how I think the conversation should go. Like I put one up this weekend. That was kind of unlike other ones, in that I just got on with somebody who I thought was really smart, who understood this one topic. And it's something that makes me upset. And we just talked it through and at times, railed on it. And at times tried to imagine fixes for it. And there's a flow to that conversation. That I think is right. And when I listened back to it, I thought some people aren't gonna like this at all, and some people are, but I think it's important to go out this way. And I didn't know like, so I rolled the dice, and I put it out. And I got one comment from somebody online who's like, you've talked way too much in that episode. That seems to bother people. And I'm like, okay, but then I got back tenfold from people were like, this is really important. I'm glad you spoke about this. I really enjoyed it. I was like, Okay, I can't make everybody happy. But I think if I would have done with that one comment asked, because I heard it too, when I was listening to like, I'm talking too much in this. But if I, if I chopped it up, it just wouldn't. I don't think it would have felt the same. And I thought the feeling was more important than the flow of it. So I don't know how I would teach that to somebody, I guess. I don't think I could,

Sarah 1:21:54
you'd have to find a good fit creatively.

Scott Benner 1:21:56
Yeah. Did I have to pay them? No, I don't have that much money. You know, like, where would I get that money from? You imagine if I had an employee? I'll tell you what, if I ever have in a podcast as an employee one day, I'm going to declaratively say out loud. I've succeeded at this, because that does not seem like a thing to me. I know somebody that has an editor for their show. And I'm like, wow, how did you do that? It's pretty crazy. You know? Anyway,

Sarah 1:22:22
can I give one shout out? Please do your old podcast folks.

Unknown Speaker 1:22:25
You know, we got

Sarah 1:22:27
Um, I don't know her personally. But my favorite episode you've done is I can't remember her name, which is horrible. But the lady whose type one son died in the car accident, her story. Even before the pregnancy hormones, I just cried and cried and cried and cried and cried. And her story is just amazing. And I just if she's listening, I just want to learn know that the community has her back even though her type one son isn't with us anymore.

Scott Benner 1:22:52
That's That's very nice of you to say, I have to tell you that there are so many times that I have conversations. On this podcast, I said it like I told you earlier I I interviewed someone last night, who's you know, at the end of the hopeful end of a heroin addiction, a lifelong heroin addiction almost. And as we're talking, I said to her, I'm like, I never thought this podcast would lead me to have conversations like this, you know, and I started thinking about all the after dark episodes and it Donnie, you know, Donnie is an interesting one. Because the first time I recorded I had a problem with his two, it sounds like I'm a mess. But trust me, I've recorded like 500 of these I've messed up like four of them. So everybody calm down. But Donnie came on. I think his is called after dark trauma and addiction. And we had an amazing conversation. And he never once meant once mentioned. And then we had to re record it. And the conversation went in a slightly different way. And I think he was more comfortable the second time and he told me that his neighbors had raped him for years as a child, and that he felt his family knew about it. And I was like, holy crap. Like, as that's being said, All I can think is like, how I did not expect to be in this position having these kind of like really important conversations. And I'm really grateful for them. This podcast is is enriched my life like a ton, actually. But yeah, I just, you know, here's another example. Like I just people say things I'm like, Wow, you're so honest. Does it feel freeing to just say it out loud? When you have issues like that? Um,

Sarah 1:24:34
I separate the personal from the academic. So I give talks and write about in research about my identity as a survivor, so I think I've separated it

Unknown Speaker 1:24:45
quite a bit.

Sarah 1:24:46
So freeing, supposedly, but I also not telling you like the intimate details that would be more traumatic for me.

Scott Benner 1:24:52
Yeah, I wouldn't want you to either know, like, I don't see how any of that would be useful at all. But so Michelle's episode was called Jessie was here. And yeah,

Sarah 1:25:02
so one where she was driving to like an endo appointment over the mountains.

Scott Benner 1:25:05
Oh no, you're thinking of a different one you're thinking of do is this podcast is one big bummer. Okay, so now you're thinking of do hard things.

Sarah 1:25:16
Yeah, yeah, the word, excuse me, two of her sons passed away in the car accident.

Scott Benner 1:25:20
Yeah, they were on their way to an endo appointment on an icy road. And yes, she had an accident. And when she woke up her sons weren't there. And, yeah, that's a that's a crazy story, because she sent me an email, a significant amount of time after her son had passed away, like yours, I think, and to tell me that she still listens to the podcast,

Sarah 1:25:46
to feel connected to him, right, because of the

Scott Benner 1:25:48
diabetes. And and I was just like, I got that email. And I showed it to my wife. I'm like, What do I like? What do I do about this? You know, you want to respond back and go, Hey, thanks for being a listener. Like, it's like, there's no way. Like, I have to have like, a real conversation with her. And at the end of it, I just said, um, I was like, Look, if you, I can't imagine, I think I said, I can't imagine you would want to, but if you ever want to come on and talk about this, you know, I would do it with you. And she was, it had to have been six months later. And I got another note from her. And she's like, I would like to come on the podcast. And I, Jesus, she's talking and I'm trying not to cry so that I can stay in the conversation and everything. And I don't know, this is a I mean, I joke sometimes, like when people are like, what do you do? And I'm like, I have a podcast. And you know, I joke that it's weird, because I'm older and stuff. But you know, in all honesty has been one of the greatest things I've ever done. So

Sarah 1:26:45
story really touched me. She's a phenomenal mom. And you can tell through the podcast Yeah,

Scott Benner 1:26:50
I'm glad I'm really it's nice you to say I had she'll hear this. So thank you very much.

Unknown Speaker 1:26:55
So I want to be her friend.

Scott Benner 1:26:57
Thank you live in reasonably the same area. So she just ran outside and started yelling your name, you might find her off? Are you gonna get before you get out of breath? Or have to pee? Probably not.

Sarah 1:27:07
So. Oh, my goodness. I get out of breath walking up the stairs for good reason. This baby's healthy. So that's good. Good for you.

Scott Benner 1:27:14
I'm excited. Alright, so let me know. When I tell you what, it's October now. When the baby's born, you send me an email. Tell me all about the baby. And at the end of this episode, I'll read your email. Oh, okay. Yeah, me like, we had this. You know what I mean? When we go from A to whatever, he or she, yeah, all that stuff. Let me know. I have a feeling

Sarah 1:27:39
but I'm waiting till birth for the sex.

Scott Benner 1:27:42
You want to say your feeling here. So it's recorded?

Sarah 1:27:45
Sure. So I think that her sex identity is female. Because I think that she, she moves when I say the name that we've picked out for female and I also dream about having a female child. So I'm curious if I'm correct.

Scott Benner 1:28:01
Now I'm curious. Excellent. All right now I'm definitely I sit on this one till I get your email and then this one goes up. Okay.

Unknown Speaker 1:28:07
Sure. All right,

Scott Benner 1:28:08
have a great birth. Congratulations, please tell your husband, you know, he'll get used to the idea. The baby only cries for like the first like handful of months. And then it really is just smooth. I'm lying. It's terrible.

Sarah 1:28:23
three dogs so we we've done babyhood just through dogs instead of humans.

Scott Benner 1:28:28
Yeah, get a saddle for one of those dogs to see if you can teach the kid to ride it that really would make my day if you can figure that out.

Sarah 1:28:34
actually really hurts the dog's backs. It's not.

Scott Benner 1:28:37
Nothing's fun anymore. There the world used to be free when you didn't have to worry about other people. Like the 70s. I know you don't know about it. I mean, it was great for the people didn't care and the people who did care, really terrible as I'm looking back now, but I used to get bullied by this kid. When I was little, and nobody thought anything of it. Just there was Nope, no one stepped in. My parents were like, yeah, figure it out. toughen up, you know, that kind of thing. Now this kid would be arrested. He used to hold us underwater in a pool.

Unknown Speaker 1:29:08
But that's assault.

Scott Benner 1:29:11
Yeah, back then. It was they call it a life experience. It was it was a How do you turn yourself into the person that that crazy person doesn't want to drown? That was pretty much my summer that year. like you'd want to go to the pool because it was hot. But you're like this kid Craig is gonna hold me underwater. You know, if you're listening, Craig wasn't fun. Just so you know.

Unknown Speaker 1:29:34
Yeah. That was mean, Craig.

Scott Benner 1:29:35
Yeah, no kidding. Although I have to say, I did develop a lot of personal skills. Like you know how to, like, make people like you and you know, do a little song and dance to keep things from, I don't know, maybe the podcast would suck if Craig didn't try to tell me what I was. And don't give him all right. I'm with you. He didn't do anything.

Sarah 1:29:57
My husband taught one of the Aussies to jump up on the nightstand into crib so it can soothe the baby so that we don't get.

Scott Benner 1:30:04
So your play here let me make sure I understand this we're finishing up your husband's your husband's idea was if the baby should get uncomfortable at night needs some soothing. You've taught the small smaller dog how to go up on a nightstand and into the crib so it can cuddle with the child.

Sarah 1:30:21
Yeah, we've too many Aussies so he taught the smarter of the Aussie how to, which is not safe. I acknowledged this but maybe when the kids bigger

Unknown Speaker 1:30:30
screw all that if you do that. I want that on video. I know I

Sarah 1:30:35
can send you one of the dog doing it without a baby 30 knows how to get in and out of the crib bites.

Unknown Speaker 1:30:39
Oh, seriously. Alright, yeah, he

Unknown Speaker 1:30:41
taught us how to do

Scott Benner 1:30:44
that to me too. Okay, here's the problem with you and I we could talk forever. So we're gonna stop now. Thank you. You're very welcome. Have a great day. I really appreciate you giving your time twice like this. And I will I will double save this put on an external hard drive a thumb drive and, and I'll I'll remember the entire conversation so I can reenact it if I

Unknown Speaker 1:31:04
sounds good.

Scott Benner 1:31:10
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And now let's have a little update from Sarah. Hey, Scott baby came at 36 weeks due to complications and is now three and a half months and healthy. I went from 150 units of insulin in my last week of pregnancy to using humor log a couple of times a week while breastfeeding. postpartum kicked me back into honeymoon. So I'm enjoying it while I can. pregnancy and diabetes is really hard, but it's well worth it. I encourage anyone interested in becoming pregnant to find an entire medical team to work with that they fully trust. Baby girl wouldn't be here without the knowledge of the MFM that I worked with. And surprise. The baby girl's name is Scott. Alright, it's not really Scott. But I mean, one day one of you is going to name a baby after me. just takes one. I think I have a dog right now named after me. But that's not. I mean, it's nice. Don't get me wrong, but I'm looking for a human being. Thank you so much for listening. I'll be back soon with another episode of the Juicebox Podcast.

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