#486 How We Eat: FODMAP

May 31, 2021Scott Benner

A D-mom talks about parenting with a FODMAP diet.

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Scott Benner 0:00
Hello friends, and welcome to Episode 486 of the Juicebox Podcast.

Today's episode of features Meredith, and she's here to talk about being the mother of a child with type one, and about understanding, creating and cooking for a fodmap diet. That's a funny word, right? fodmap it's not actually a word, it's an acronym.

This episode is going to be ad free Memorial Day celebration, no ads. But it is part of the how we eat series. Now if you're not familiar with that, I'm going to spend 20 seconds explaining it before the episode starts. But it's going to happen after I tell you that nothing you hear on the Juicebox Podcast should be considered advice, medical or otherwise, please always consult a physician before making any changes to your health care plan. We're becoming bold with insulin. All right, let the music finish up. I'll spend this couple of seconds talking about how we eat and then we get right into the episode with murder, by the way, is a super fan of the show. And I'm sure right now is shaking in our pants listening.

The how we eat series is building up a nice little repertoire. Is that the word I mean? It doesn't matter. So right now we have Episode 373. Vegan cat, which is not about a cat. Episode 400 carnivore. Episode 405 plant based Episode 439 gluten free Episode 453 low carb episode, episode in boy ready here we go again, Episode 480, Dr. Bernstein, and today's episode 486 fodmap. And there are many more coming. This has become a favorite for people. And I'm very much enjoying having these conversations. I hope you enjoy this one with Meredith, check out the others.

Meredith 2:21
Hi, my name is Meredith and I am a mom of three children, one of whom is a type one diabetic.

Scott Benner 2:28
Cool. And you're on today to talk about an eating style. Is that right?

Meredith 2:35
I am we have a lot of interesting food issues. The reason that I'm here is to talk about the low fodmap diet. But we actually eat not just low fodmap My daughter has lots of food allergies, as well. So that also interacts with diabetes and and low fodmap.

Scott Benner 3:00
Okay, so I assume that first you present with a food allergy? And then how does that how does that present itself the first time it happens

Unknown Speaker 3:11
with food allergy? Yeah,

Scott Benner 3:12
like what's the first like, what's the remembrance you have of like, Hey, does anybody notice she turns purple when we let us or something like that, like whatever happened, you

Meredith 3:20
know? Well, you know, it goes back for us. Before that my daughter that's diabetic is my second child. And so the food allergies go back to my first child. So really, we were prepared for so with my first daughter, my oldest is I've got a girl girl boy. And the oldest, was just presented with food allergies when she was two months old and had eczema and was fussy all the time. And so that was just from sort of, essentially birth. And we figured it out through what beyond is nursing and what I was eating. And then as we were introducing them I had to eliminate foods from my diet. And as we were introducing foods to her diet. She had some full blown reactions. By the time my second daughter who was like the type one diabetic by the time she was born, we were like assuming she had allergies we didn't know and it was also the way they treated allergies then is very different than what they do now. That's a whole it's changed a lot over the years now they introduce peanuts to kids practically from birth at like four months old. They want to give them peanut powder and based on the whole study in actually started in Israel but where they give kids bomba which is like this peanut snack anyway, and they found that kids had fewer peanut allergies. But when my kids were sort of in that sweet spot where they were preaching total avoidance, and they've since changed some of the recommendations but at any rate, when Eve was born, we ended up testing her for A lot of foods and avoiding a lot of foods initially, and she tested positive for a lot of food allergies. So some of a lot of her allergies are to things that she actually never even ate. So we didn't know for sure that how she would react. And then later, we would go to the food out, we'd go to the allergist yearly and have blood and skin tests. And she either had like a cache a couple of accidental exposures, but they were kind of minor because we were so careful all the time. So I never thankfully had really a full blown turning purple when she really horrible reactions, but I carry it with me all the time and, and everything else. But she did have several food challenges in the office, which is my kids laugh at this beam. But essentially, you go to the food, they go to the allergist office, and they give you a little bit of the food that you they think you might have outgrown, and then a little more and then a little more and then a little more and hope that you don't go back and turn purple and whatever anyway, and she had some that were successful, and some that were not. And some of those ended with epi pens. And yeah,

Scott Benner 6:19
well, let me let me go all the way back to your to your first child, and you're breastfeeding. So you figure out she has allergies to something, and you eliminate it from your diet. Yep, that's kind of fun. Like so what did you have to eliminate with your first daughter? Oh, wow.

Unknown Speaker 6:35
Well remember,

Meredith 6:36
when I was nursing, I eliminated dairy eggs, not sweet. Soy? I don't remember she's 19. Now,

Scott Benner 6:48
what were you eating? Would you just like styrofoam assault? or What did you have, by the, by the time you've learned everything?

Meredith 6:54
Well, there's, you know, we do a lot of meat and potatoes in our house. Um, and chicken and rice and a lot of race, which is, um, causes interaction of all of the fit issues, is I think one of the hardest things around with diabetes, too, because then, as each each condition sort of builds on the other. And then it becomes, because my daughter also has stomach issues. She's always had stomach aches, and even her allergies, which some of some of the things we didn't know, she would get a lot of stomach aches, and we didn't know whether she was alert, she said, you know, she didn't feel well after she ate things. And that's actually why it turns out, she's eating a low fodmap diet, which is something that is usually it's a treatment for IBS. And she didn't know whether she was allergic to every single thing she was eating, she kept getting these stomach eggs. And it turns out that she had to avoid foods for for that reason. And it turns out, like so then there were things that were good for her to eat on them, like to avoid for the low fodmap diet, but aren't good to eat. Because of her allergies or and then late then she was diagnosed with diabetes. But it's like, well, that's, you know, you should have these low carb things. And there's a whole list of low carb things. And she's allergic to half of them. You know, it's just, you know, we sort of had to like, look at the list and say, Well, she can't she can't, she can't have this and you just cross off half the thing. Wow.

Scott Benner 8:38
So there's basically three different things to consider.

Meredith 8:42
Oh, by the way, we keep kosher.

Scott Benner 8:44
Yeah, so four different things to keep considers you know, we're not just I mean, I mean, honestly, how many things could be left, right? So you remove the Well, okay, I saw I understand all that. What is fodmap stand for?

Meredith 8:58
Okay, so fodmap, which is a crazy diet when, um, fodmaps are and I'll read you this that I took off the internet. fodmaps are a collection of short chain carbohydrates, which are sugars that aren't absorbed properly in the gut, and can trigger symptoms in people with IBS. And they're naturally found in many foods and food additives. And there are four times and they're hard to pronounce, so I'll do my best but they're illegal saccharides, STI saccharides, monosaccharides and polyols. And so when we were advised by your doctor to avoid to go on the low fodmap diet, I said, Okay, you know, sure I can do this. I've done food allergies. All three of my kids and my husband have multiple food allergies. I said, I can do this. I've done this for years and like cook and all these crazy ways and they aren't all allergic to the same things. So I said sure. Tell me what she has to avoid. And then they gave me like the list. And it's not a category. It's like, some fruits are high in fodmaps, and some are low in fodmaps. And some are percentages, like with food allergies. If you can't have eggs, you can't have eggs. Like, that's it, and just a little bit can kill you, if you can't have peanuts, you know, it'll kill you, you know? Yeah, so I'm used to that. In with fodmaps, one of the things that you can have, depending they're also some people can tolerate certain amounts of certain things. But for example, um, what peaches, which is, you know, a favorite fruit of my daughter's, um, she could have like one peach or one nectarine, or if she had that a nectarine or a peach, today or tomorrow, she couldn't have a, you know, watermelon The next day, because then it would just it builds and it sort of the too much too many fodmaps together, will then affect her her stomach. So you can have things that impact not quite as hard. But if you stack them up too close to each other day after day, it's the same impact as having something that strikes her that hard. Exactly. And so what you usually do at the beginning is you do a total elimination diet. And then you add in a food from each of the different four categories or some of the foods from each that the four categories separately, and you add them back into your diet to see whether it's one of the categories or two or three that are affecting you. So for example, the all the illegal saccharides are fructans, and GLS, which are in foods like wheat, rye, onions, garlic, and Legos. So onion and garlic are completely out of our diet. Now, my husband always used to joke that I put black pepper and garlic salt on everything, you know, I made, that was just sort of our staple. And I now don't use all although, oddly, you can in a low fodmap diet, you can flavor things with garlic, you can flavor the oil with garlic, but apparently the garlic doesn't get absorbed into the actual oil. So you can infuse garlic with oil, and then remove the actual garlic. There are all these really weird tricks. And then like the scallions, you can use the green part of the skeleton but not the white part of the scallion. There's a whole Australian University called Monash that's devoted to this. I don't know if they're devoted to it. But they have a unit or division that focuses on fodmap. And they're really detailed and they have an app and everything that's talks all about low fodmap. And it's fascinating because this is very scientific. It sounds like complete Voodoo to me when I was reading the list. Like for example for the monosaccharides are fructose. So this is there's a lot of overlap. It's really interesting when you're talking about diabetes and how you eat and carbs. And when you were talking about the when I was listening to the episode on glycemic index, there's a lot that sort of overlaps. It's it's different. But it sort of comes in it comes at it from a different angle. But there's a lot of kind of overlapping interesting things. And so would it be a surprise, I'll just just tell you the fridge just as one so it's in honey and apples. And like she can't tell honey apples or high fructose corn syrup. But she can have maple syrup, for example.

Scott Benner 13:49
Okay. Do you know why? I guess there's no way to By the way, this sounds exhausting. It is no point to just like, oh god, I'm going to leave them at the mall. And that'll be the end of this because we're just like Mommy's going out and just never come back. And you guys are gonna have to fart your whole lives because I'm not doing this. Like what is it? You know? I mean, seriously, like, just so just thinking about an elimination diet. First of all to get your answers about what it is that you can and can't eat or should or shouldn't be eating. How do you start an elimination diet? Is it like with a piece of chicken that you boil, and then everyone eats it in horror? Terrible.

Meredith 14:32
And here's honestly like, I mean, that's the thing is it? It starts with total paralysis is what it starts with. Okay, um, and you kind of go, oh my god, what am I gonna feed the family, which is actually kind of the way I started with diabetes to like, Oh my god, how am I gonna feed my daughter? Um, but then slowly I did what I did with food allergies too, and I went to the internet and I looked for Facebook groups, I looked for recipes and I looked for resources. And essentially, I started with brand new recipes and I just looked, you know, you Google, you go to Pinterest, you go wherever and you find low fodmap recipes. And then what I would do is, I would modify them, because inevitably, it would have something in it that my kids were allergic to. And then or something they didn't like, or something that was an ingredient that, you know, I couldn't gather or whatever, but I tend to make a lot of different meals, which

Unknown Speaker 15:37
is,

Meredith 15:38
you know, one of the things that, um, you know, they say, Oh, you know, if your kids don't want your main meal that you make for dinner, like, just tell them they can have cereal tonight. When everybody's allergic to different things, and everyone has special diets, it's not really fair at some point to say, Well, too bad.

Scott Benner 15:56
Yeah. Wow, what's the reaction of I mean, you the children, everybody in the family, when you realize that this is the way you're gonna eat, I realized it was probably different for you because of the food allergy thing. But, but what I'm trying to imagine if I went to Arden tomorrow, and I said, Hey, we're going to eliminate everything from your diet to figure out why something happens, she probably would kill me in my sleep. So I'm trying to figure like, seriously, and or at least put up one hell of a fight about it, I can actually, I can envision her saying I'd rather my stomach hurt than do this. So

Meredith 16:31
I think that there are a couple of issues that you're there. As far as the food allergies, I actually think it was easier because my kids were diagnosed with them really from the get go. So they don't know what it's like to eat, whatever my oldest is, has now outgrown all her nut allergies. And the craziest thing is that she now eats, like, all Oh, nuts. I mean, it's just blows my mind when she's peanuts, and cashews and walnuts and talks about the differences. And, you know, I just is totally crazy. I'm used to thinking of them as poison. Um, but so they, they didn't know what it was like, they didn't know what they were missing. That's something that was almost easy. It was harder when they went to school and more of a social component, and going out with their friends and going to restaurants. And those kinds of things were the most difficult for the low fodmap diet, which came well. Diabetes came in, in the tween, and then the low fodmap diet came after. So in terms of timing, um, so with diabetes, we don't, we don't eat differently, really, for diabetes, there was only a very short period of time. When it was first diagnosed that they she was she didn't have one of those horrible diagnosis stories where she was admitted she wasn't NDK. Um, she had a whole variety of health issues for about a year where we were trying to figure out what the heck was wrong with her, which included a lot of stomach issues, which actually had been going on for much of her life, she'd had a lot of stomach discomfort, and went to one doctor for a second opinion, who did a whole battery of blood tests. And I got a call the next day and I was like, Where's your daughter? And I'm like, Well, she's at school. Like her blood sugar is really high. You need to come get her and redo her blood test. And I'm like, yeah, I'm going to pick her up for was actually some other tests for something else. Because like I said, she was having all these other issues. And I'm gonna get her in a couple hours and take her to the doctor for something. They're like, No, no, you need to go now. And I'm like, I don't like I don't know anything about blood. I don't know anything about diabetes. And I don't know what they're talking.

Scott Benner 19:00
We don't eat sugar in my house. There's no sugar in her blood.

Meredith 19:08
literally about to get on the subway. I'll talk to you later. And I got off the subway like three stops later. And the phone rang, like my cell phone rang and they're like, it's the doctor like, where are you? And I'm like, Oh,

Unknown Speaker 19:22
yeah, you're not getting it. Give me a sec order. And you need to

Meredith 19:27
have this checked. But anyway, I lost my train of thought and why I was.

Scott Benner 19:32
Well, while you're finding your train of thought I'm taking off my headphones to take off a sweatshirt home. how incredibly unprofessional of me was it to do that right in the middle of the episode. I would never forgive myself if I was you. But since we're taking the break, have you heard about the diabetes pro tip series that begins at Episode 210. If you haven't seen it, you can check it out at Juicebox Podcast comm where diabetes pro tip calm or just go back in your app. To Episode 210, I'd also like to recommend, as I said earlier, the how we eat series. If you're interested in algorithm based pumping, there's a whole series about that. We have defining diabetes, which I'm very proud of its terms about type one diabetes, that are explained, but not in a dry way. There are short episodes with Jenny Smith and I, we explained the term and then put it into some context for you. So sort of like, imagine if you saw a hammer didn't know what a hammer was. And someone just said, it's a hammer, you use it to strike a nail, that would be not very helpful. But if you said it's a hammer, you use it to strike a nail, and then explained what a nail was, and why you might want to use a nail, well, then that would be useful information. To me, that's what the finding diabetes is. I'm just gonna take this moment to let you know about another series that's coming up also with Jenny Smith, it's going to be called variables. super interesting. We had Lehman on like, it's super interesting, you now either have to believe me, or you don't talk to you went to the Facebook page, the private Facebook page for the podcast and asked for people to make a list of things that impacted their life with diabetes, and a list came back, I think over 150 things long. Jenny and I are going to do these very short kind of burst episodes, about variables. So you'll start seeing them soon. Here, that's where you're gonna start seeing them soon. That is so much better.

Meredith 21:28
Okay, good. Um, anyway, so she, um, so she then was diagnosed, and basically what they told us, so then we were, we had like, two days where she, they knew her blood sugar was high, we had an appointment The next day, one day, and they had an appointment the next day at the diabetes clinic, the goddess and right away, but they told us, we could go home, and then we, we went back in for training, like outpatient. And we came in, like two or three days in a row, for hours long sessions, to learn to use insulin and count carbs and all this stuff. But they basically told us for, you know, two or three days, like, just eat really low carb, like, don't eat any carbs for the next two days, was essentially what they told us. Um, so while while we went home, I mean, because their blood sugar wasn't crazy high, but they're like, you know, just, you know, have have protein and don't have any, any carbs. While while we're doing that you're

Scott Benner 22:24
like, just give me a list. I know how to eliminate things from a diet, this won't be any trouble whatsoever.

Meredith 22:30
Right. So so that was so in that case. So that was just a couple of like, days where we really ate very, like, she had a lot of cucumbers, and, and then, um, and then in general, with diabetes, we don't, we don't eliminate food from our diet all that often. Except for you know, sometimes, like, she had an important test. And I was like, you know, let's not have dessert tonight, let's try to have a really low, like a low carb dinner tonight. Or, you know, let's see what's going to not impact your blood sugar. Um, a lot. Um, she's a junior in high school. Yeah. Um, you know, those kinds of things. So, in that respect, I think about her diet with their diabetes, but I don't otherwise say you can't eat X, Y, or Z because of the diabetes. Although, when we had to figure then we had some big changes when we moved to low fodmap. Because for the elimination diet, it's not that you can't eat any foods. It's more that there, you pull a lot of things out of the diet, but it was one of the initial things was, well, she can't add apples. So one of the things she had she just was a staple for low blood sugars was apple juice. Okay, so I was like, oh, man, like, she has apple juice all the time. Right? Like, okay, well, what are we going to do now? So now we do grape juice, but like excited to get grape juice boxes? I think I still have juice boxes of apple juice somewhere in my back of my cabin. I

Unknown Speaker 24:05
don't know what to do with expired.

Meredith 24:05
I gotta, you know,

Unknown Speaker 24:07
what were

Scott Benner 24:08
what were the symptoms we're talking about, like, you know, because I'm obviously I'm looking online too. And cramping, diarrhea, constipation, stomach, bloating, gas and flash ones. Is that basically or is it just you're in pain? Is it hard to put the word

Meredith 24:23
stomach pain for years and years and years? And I think she's a, I think, well, let's leave it at that.

Scott Benner 24:32
Wait, that was fascinating. You started to say something and then you stopped yourself. And now I'm gonna wonder for the rest of my life. What you were going to say? You don't have to say, you know what, forget it. Say it. I'll bleep it out for you. What were you gonna say?

Unknown Speaker 24:47
I think we're gonna leave it at that.

Scott Benner 24:49
All right. Okay, so she had stomach pains for a long time.

Meredith 24:53
Yeah, I mean, really since she was since she was little and we see in lots of doctors and dentists. things and chess, you know, checked and well, there might be various medicines and this is one of the things that is has helped. And it does help. And unfortunately, it's doesn't help all the way for her. Okay, um, but it does help. And so when you say Is she willing to do it? Well? Yeah, because it helps, right? Um, but no, it's sometimes really socks. So she wants to eat things. I mean, like, licorice is like something she likes and she you know it has the Twizzlers have wheat in them and she now is on a gluten free diet. Well, as you know from other things, the gall the gluten free stuff has stays in your system longer and has probably has like a higher glycemic load. It's, it's, um, you know, has other other issues. Um, and cauliflower, you know, you could do a nice cauliflower pizza crust, well, she can't have dairy. So that's a whole other issue. But, you know, cauliflower instead of pasta, say, rice, cauliflower or something? Well, that's, that is a, that's high fodmap. So she could have caught cauliflower, but only in a small quantity. So there are a lot of interactions between the foods that cause problems, or, you know, it's just a balance. Yeah. between what you know, what do you want to what do you want to choose? You want to so she ends up often with higher carb choices that impact her blood sugar, and that we then have to figure out how to how to deal with

Unknown Speaker 26:46
Yeah, when did she when we should diagnosed how old again?

Meredith 26:49
She was diagnosed when she was almost 12 when she was 11. She was diagnosed in Yeah, in 2015. Right? November Actually, this is her anniversary mark.

Scott Benner 27:03
Come on. No kidding. We're here. Do you know all this off the top of your head? Like if I if I came to your house and I had a big bag of food, and I sat your daughter next to me and I started reaching out or with a banana would you know that's okay, or Oh my god, stop no banana? Like, Are there times when you have to stop yourself and say, I don't even know how to eat this. And I like when does it? You know,

Meredith 27:27
I can tell you which foods everybody in my house is allergic to? Well, I am. It's actually really funny. I have a joke that I want to make like a Venn diagram. Like a piece of art. It's a Venn diagram with like, was alerted to what and like sell them to people. But like, I just think it's funny that maybe I'm the only person in the world that thinks it's funny. But anyway,

Scott Benner 27:48
you realize now that you said that everyone listening who doesn't think it's funny is thinking in their head? Yeah. That was not funny. Although someone's laughing their head. Oh, my joke

Unknown Speaker 27:57
in my house. Yeah.

Scott Benner 28:01
You're screwed. So,

Meredith 28:03
um, for the fodmaps. It's interesting, I guess. You've started that when she was a little older. And also, it's so complicated. I know. We're on video, nobody else's. But this is a list of like, some of the low fodmap food. And like I said, brand categories. I have to look. I mean, I don't remember. And then there's this app. I mentioned the app I like literally go on the app and look. So I know a lot of them. But like for example, she can have as many strawberries as she wants, I think but not as many raspberries. So when I say it's arbitrary, like it's really arbitrary. Yeah, like, you know, she, you know, berries are mostly okay, but like strawberries are better than raspberries. And like really? I'm,

Scott Benner 28:53
I'm I'm fascinated by the way that your other daughter just magically is not allergic to nuts anymore.

Unknown Speaker 28:57
She's not magically Well, you

Scott Benner 28:59
don't I mean, you did something though. Like you introduce them slowly. Is that

Unknown Speaker 29:02
very Yeah.

Meredith 29:04
And you have a lot of food challenges and we spent years going to the doctor and having Yeah, crazy and actually, um, we've got some food challenges scheduled will and have been canceled given due to the pandemic Yes, canceled a couple times for Eve. So she actually has outgrown she out. She did outgrow almonds, she can have almonds, and she can have pecans and pine nuts. Of course, almonds are not low fodmap. And she has a couple food challenges scheduled but until she tries his foods in the office, we won't know for sure. So there are a few foods that she could potentially have outgrown. But we don't know for sure. And it's not safe to try them at home because there's really, unfortunately no way to know for sure Unless you eat the food, whether you really are grown it, because even though they do blood tests and skin tests, they're not foolproof. And there's really no real way to know. So yeah,

Scott Benner 30:10
until you know, I'm not I'm imagining the heart that would come if I my entire life, I wasn't allowed to have an almond. And then one day someone says, Oh, great, you're gonna have almonds again. But this intersects poorly with your other things. So you can't have on this or by the way, I pop an almond in my mouth, and I go, I don't like almonds. He's such a downer.

Meredith 30:31
When my oldest daughter had her peanut challenge. We I was really excited about it. And we get to the office, and she's got peanut butter in front of her. And it's on a spoon. And I'm like, okay, like, go for it. And she literally it was like a magnet repelling it from her mouth. She could not put it in her mouth. I mean, I understand because actually, I've literally been telling her was poisoned her whole life. But she was so it was like, she couldn't get it in her mouth. And finally she did. And then she was like, Oh, I like this. And the other ones were easier, but and then she was fine. It turned out but it was, she was understandably terrified. I mean, it wasn't even, it wasn't even terror. It was almost just like, an inability

Unknown Speaker 31:18
to put it in.

Scott Benner 31:20
Yeah, this would be perfect for me, I have to tell you, because I don't love food for some reason. Like, I don't that I can't think of one thing that I eat. I'm like, Oh, this is the thing I should eat every day for the rest of my life. I don't I'm so happy because I'm meeting whatever this is. I have never felt like that in my life. And as you know, I had Paul Saladino on a couple of weeks ago, and I prepped by not like basically eating very low carb more protein. The week leading up to him so I kind of would like have something to talk about with him if in case like it didn't go well, but and he ended up being terrific, but but I lost like seven pounds by the time I spoke to him. And now it's got to be like a week and a half later, like 13 pounds lighter. I'm not even hungry anymore. I just get over. Yeah, yeah. I mean, I just get up in the morning. I'm like food. Not really necessary, I guess. Yeah, you know, so I'll, I'll eat, I'll still have protein. Like yesterday, I had, I don't know, I had a piece of chicken. And a couple of fried eggs. At one point, I think my son had bacon lifestyle, like two pieces of bacon from him. And by nine o'clock last night, we were watching election returns, and everybody was like snacking, and I was just like, I'm not hungry. I just I'm not hungry anymore. Assuming that most of my hunger comes from, like, the interaction of carbs in my body, and I have a carb and then my body is like guilt. It's probably like crack to it. It's like, oh my god eat more of that, you know. But I've eliminated so much for now. Like, I think if you gave me four foods to eat, I could probably go on for quite some time like that.

Meredith 32:54
But I wish that were the case. For you, you know, there's always chocolate.

Scott Benner 33:03
Oh, you know what, I should be completely honest. The way I get through all this, is I take a small bag of Jordan, Ellie's chocolate chips, and I pick it them once or twice a day, I'll take like five or six chips, and I'll be like, there we go. And that as long as I kind of like whatever the sweet monster is as long as I give the sweet monster that but it has to be really good chocolate. Like if I had a Hershey's Kiss. It would make me nauseous. So there's something about like, like, like, quality. No, I'm actually not joking, because I've tried it because I'm cheap. I wanted to just do it with a Hershey Kiss. Because this bag of chips are like $3 I am really cheap. The bag of chips are like $3 and like that's very expensive. But that's that's how I've gotten through and there are days I don't go to the chocolate chip bag but but that's really it's fast. Like yesterday was one of those days I was just not hungry. I should I it never occurred to me to eat. I only ate this morning because I started getting tired. I was like, Am I shutting off so and I'm gonna eat something when I'm done speaking with you, but I it's fascinating what happens to me when you take away carbs, although that's not what you're doing. You're just it means that list you showed me is crazy. You know?

Unknown Speaker 34:21
Oh, it really is you have how

Scott Benner 34:24
many things that this so and it's it's funny when you say fodmap it obviously and you explained it earlier but there's so many big words that I just want to roll over it one more time again, right it's it's it's fodmap stands for fermentable all IG Sacra dotties whatever, doesn't

Meredith 34:43
amigo saccharine okay.

Unknown Speaker 34:45
decid char

Meredith 34:47
nice dry saccharine.

Scott Benner 34:49
I saccharides monosaccharides Look at me. I'm fallen boy, you're not gonna let me try the fourth one.

Unknown Speaker 34:55
Oh, yeah, go for it. polyols Yeah, go

Unknown Speaker 34:57
for it.

Scott Benner 34:58
Yeah.

What's your shortcut? carbohydrates, you shouldn't use that all that but, but the point is, is that when I heard fodmap in the past, I always just associated it with you have to eliminate things from your diet for some reason. I always thought of it is like, what am I trying to say? Not as a specific thing, but an idea. But it's a it's a specific idea. Incredibly specific, actually.

Meredith 35:25
It's very specific. And it's based in scientific, like the examination of the you know, the scientific like molecule like I can't think of the right word of the elements that are there make up the food, and it's really I don't know how you analyze it, but you they've got scientists breaking apart. What's in a watermelon and what's in a chick pea.

Scott Benner 35:57
Oh my god, it's so funny. You said that my daughter's friend a baby two years ago. They're like they couldn't find her everybody's like we're sorry, I can't find Sasha haven't heard from Sandra cup we so they're texting her texts. And finally, she's like, I'm in the hospital chick p incident. And she was doing an adding, like, they were re adding things. You know, she had some allergies too. And they've been having a lot of success. And I think somehow the the counting got off with the chickpeas and she just had too many chickpeas trying to and the whole time I'm hearing the story. I'm like, just don't eat chickpeas. Like who was it?

Unknown Speaker 36:36
Was this a fun number? This

Unknown Speaker 36:37
was an allergy. It was an allergy. And they were my my,

Meredith 36:40
my kids are allergic to chickpeas also. Okay,

Scott Benner 36:43
so listen, what's going on here? Did you marry your brother or something like that? How come? How come nobody can eat anything in here? Is it just is it in the extended family at all?

Meredith 36:53
Good allergies in the extended family. Okay. Okay. Yeah. Actually, both sides of the family have allergies. I like to think that we gave them a lot of other benefits and really great genes in other ways. But no, the the allergies were pretty much a perfect storm. Well.

Scott Benner 37:09
So here's a question. I've been dying to know, the whole time everybody's weight average. Like this eating like this lead to a slenderness is I guess my question?

Meredith 37:20
Um, yeah, I mean, pretty much. We're, I mean, I'm eating Ed was really skinny before she was diagnosed. Um,

Scott Benner 37:30
but, um, you consider them to be like, average, but like, you are like, average bill. Like, I'm trying to decide like this eating like this make me super skinny. Or not necessarily, or even like with that gluten free stuff. I've seen people put weight on with gluten free because

Unknown Speaker 37:46
Oh, sure. Yeah, yeah.

Meredith 37:48
No, I think that it's actually very easy to, um, it's actually easy to overeat and to eat too much or the wrong things. Because you end up I mean, anyone can justify eating too much, except for you. Because you don't like food.

Scott Benner 38:07
Oh, no, I can definitely eat too much. But you have to give, like I said, it's got to be crack. It's got to be like, oh, cookie, and then my brain goes cookie.

Unknown Speaker 38:15
And then I'm done.

Meredith 38:16
I think sometimes, if you can't choose what you want, exactly. You might eat too much of something else. Because it's available or because I mean, I've seen my kids, like, eat things that are like, they got a dessert. They don't they you know, and they don't know if they're gonna get it again. Or there's, you know, some and so they'll they'll want you know, it's special. But they'll you know, it's sort of this like, Oh my god, I got this amazing cake. And who knows if I'll ever get this cool, amazing cake again, because it's really hard to get and then they'll want to eat more than you would otherwise. But No, they're not. They're not overweight and underweight. They're pretty much

Scott Benner 38:56
you understand your kids basically have a depression mentality about about Yeah, I see. Okay.

Meredith 39:03
And I don't know that they have it. I just think that that I've seen I've seen it. I mean, when it was interesting when my my oldest was little she had no snack, you know, no snacks. She had no treats, she had no anything. And then when I found things she could have that like I didn't make myself that were store bought that were safe for her. And now there are so many allergy friendly, available treats, and even low fodmap treats you find there's no like low fodmap logo that you can find on some foods now. But anyway, but now you find things in this guy would find something in the store and I'm like, Oh my gosh, I can buy a store bought packaged cupcake or whatever it is. And I'm like, wow, and then I would of course buy it because it exists. Yeah. Right. Like, not because we needed it. But I'm like, Oh my God, we have to try it.

Scott Benner 39:53
Oh sure. I understand that. Like, nobody wants a cupcake but it says fodmap on it. Just take it

Unknown Speaker 40:01
Is it an expensive way

Meredith 40:01
to have free, dairy free, nut free? How can we not get it?

Scott Benner 40:06
How is by the way? Is it flavor free? Or do they know? How did they figure that out? Problem?

Meredith 40:12
You guys?

Scott Benner 40:13
I'm wondering

Meredith 40:14
that no, we make really delicious food.

Scott Benner 40:18
Cool. That's excellent. How do you say you just, you just kind of, I was gonna say pepper it but you, you, you, um, you just use different spices that you're able to use?

Meredith 40:29
Yeah. And And honestly, what I really tried to do is I really tried to make food that everyone in my house can eat, for the most part. So that's the thing about I think, I think low fodmap for us was actually kind of the, the death knell to that a little bit, if you will, with the allergies, I mostly am able to do that. Like even for example, like my husband is allergic to wheat. So he was eating not not exclusively gluten free, but allergic to just wheat. So if, for example, I made spaghetti and meat sauce or whatever, I'd make two pots of pasta. So that was one thing that I would do separately, like I'd make him gluten free pasta, and I would make everybody else wheat pasta. Yeah, um, and I mean, now Eve also is gluten free pasta for because of fodmap. But for most other things, I would try to make a main course and most of the food that everybody would eat. with some exceptions, I think the low fodmap somehow has, there are some things that I do that way and a lot of things that I do that way. But I do tend to make a little bit more, I'll make two things or, or I'll make, like, I'll make two main courses where it's the same main course but I'll separate it out where half of it doesn't have garlic and half of it does cause but there's all kinds of other spices that i've you know, started to use as alternatives that I make spice mixtures, I just make a new I make I make a mix up my own spices. So I mix now, you know I didn't used to, but I'll mix up curry powder without garlic, or onion, and I'll mix up a taco seasoning that doesn't have garlic and onion ended and I mix up. And you can find, you know, recipes for all these things online. But you know, they're all kinds of different spice mixtures that I'll just make. And I use a lot of oregano and basil and I use a ton of tumeric and, you know, Indian type spices, a lot of them don't even, you know necessarily call for garlic or if they do I just leave it out. Right? Wow.

Scott Benner 42:37
I i Geez, you're so at ease with it and comfortable, which is comforting. And no, seriously, like, because I easily could have come on here and been like, Oh, we have to eat like this. Scott, it's a drudgery. Every day we consider ending it. You know what I mean? But you're just you're you don't feel that way. I'm assuming it's because you can make a lot of different things. And you put some effort into figuring out what those things are and people have been amenable. But I guess it's hard not to be amenable if you're allergic to something. Yeah, but did you ever run into fights with the kids? Like, did they ever tell you like, Look, I don't care what you say I'm meeting this or does that you just got them at the right age.

Meredith 43:18
I don't think that's ever been an issue. I think it's more that they won't. They might not like something that I make. So I get I get into a lot of like, I don't want to eat that. Or I get a lot of dinner fatigue. And whether the dinner fatigue is coming from me or from them is not always consistent. Yeah. But I mean, I'm sick of making dinner because sometimes because either I feel like I'll make something that people don't want to eat. You know, I it's not it, you know, there's that, oh, you I went to all this trouble, and I made this elaborate thing. And then people don't eat it. There's that a little bit, but it's even just like, I don't care when I make I'll make anything, right, just tell me what it is that you'll all eat. So, um, there's a little bit of that my son eats you know, meat and rice, like, you know, sauteed meat, you know, just that plain grounding and rice for you know, it's default for like most meals and he's very happy. And then I'll go through this phase where I'm like, that's really just not okay, like, I

Unknown Speaker 44:22
have to do some

Meredith 44:23
diet. Yeah. And, and then he's not happy and then I'm frustrated. I'm happy. It's not that bad.

Scott Benner 44:30
Yeah. How old is he? He's 12 Oh, yeah. By placement Cole was 12 I gave him chicken every day. So wonder we can't fly and lay an egg. I have to be honest, I've gone through it took me years not to have my feelings hurt when I made a meal and everybody's like, it's fine. I'm like, fine. Like you like

Unknown Speaker 44:53
I've been in the kitchen since 230. What do you mean It's fine. It's amazing. And if it's not you shut up and eat it and smile and then just like Hey, Dad don't make that again. But while I'm still hot, Don't tell me it's not. Like I'm standing here. I'm like, Alright, here you go. What is this on it? Yes, sons, the

Meredith 45:14
best thing I did actually is I made a Google Doc, where I wrote down like I listed the title of, of different recipes with the link to where I found them. And then I made a couple of notes. So because the problem is I was saving things and that people were like, Oh, I really liked that chili you made. And I knew that if I made it, I either printed or saved it in printers or saved it somewhere or whatever. But I was like, which chili? Cuz I tried two or three. And they're like, you know, the one we had whenever? And I'm like, so then I'll make the chili that I think it is. And they're like, that one. That one was gross. And I'm like, I don't know which chili it was and I can't figure it out.

Scott Benner 45:58
I am so horrible. I know. I know I that that happens to they're like make this again. It was good. He make it you know, I got that wasn't the right recipe. Apparently. It really so you must hate cooking shows, right? Because it's just the view of things you can't do.

Unknown Speaker 46:13
Yeah, I don't watch cooking.

Scott Benner 46:15
The whole time. I was like, there's no way Meredith watches cooking shows they must be

Meredith 46:19
home decorating shows. And that's just aspirational. Yeah, it doesn't look like any of them.

Scott Benner 46:24
I so like, I like I said, I haven't had anything except protein. And you know, for I gotta be coming up on like, three weeks now. But on Sunday, I got Hey, Dad, can you make that pizza again? And so it's like homemade pizza like, so I'm going to make the dough from scratch. I'm going to do the whole thing, right? And I'm like, Am I really not going to have pizza? seems unlikely. You know, it seems unlikely. But I'm worried I'm worried that my body's gonna not be like, Oh, why are you having flour? Like, what are you doing? You? We haven't had that in four weeks by the time I eat it. And there'll be some sort of revolt? But I don't know.

Meredith 47:07
We don't do is sort of like, I don't I guess we eat all these specialized diets. But I don't do like a no, you know, no flour? No, whatever. I guess I do. I

mean, I do know gluten for some of the people I know. But it doesn't I don't, there's a pretty wide mixture of

Scott Benner 47:26
concepts in your eating style. It's just

Meredith 47:28
there's so many things. We don't eat that I feel like I can't restrict

Unknown Speaker 47:31
other things, right. So

Meredith 47:32
like, for example, a lot of what we eat, for at least for two of the kids overlaps with vegan, but there's no way we're vegans, because we eat so much meat, but they don't. But my daughter's don't eat are allergic to dairy and eggs. So I don't have any eggs in the house. Literally, they are not in the house. I have not ever had an egg in the house. And there's been no product that has eggs in it in the house. Which is of course a great low carb food.

Scott Benner 48:05
Yeah, well, so how does this all? Alright, I'll tell you what, I want to know how this intersects with type one. But I want to take a detour for a second first. And you don't have to talk too much about this if you don't want to, but you are helping me with something. And I want to thank you where other people can hear me. Thank you. Oh, seriously. So I mean, everybody who listens knows that. I like I just got done editing a show that's gonna go up tomorrow. And at one point in the show, the guy said FOMO, and he was hiking, and he went on this trail somewhere. And I'm gonna call the episode hiking the FOMO trail, which has almost nothing to do with anything that we spoke about, right. And then I'm gonna write a two sentence description that says, This guy has type one diabetes was was diagnosed as an adult, and teaches overseas. That's what I'm gonna write because by the time I found him, booked him, interviewed him, edited it, put it back together, I've got seven, eight hours into his episode. And I'm gone. Like at that point, like, I can't sit down and like, you'd be surprised that I just got done editing his show. And if you asked me to write a synopsis about it, I don't 100% know that I could, because I'm not listening to it for that as much during the editing process. And during the conversation. I'm just trying to keep the conversation moving. I'm trying to listen and ask questions that I imagine people want to know the answers to. So I'm never in conversation. The way human being is, while I'm making this podcast, right? So people complain to me a lot about there and the more popular the podcast gets, the more frequently I get complaints. They're always very kind complaints like Oh, I wish there was a better description of this show. And I always See that somewhere and think, yeah, I wish there was two, but I'm only one person. So this is pretty much what I have. And it was I on the private Facebook page, it came up again, pretty recently. And I just said, like, Look, if you guys want to do this, that'd be terrific. And you really took like control of it. And you were you were you were very nice about it, you weren't, you were eating soup, and you're like, I'll handle this I was, you were like, I can be a little helpful. I think I messaged you privately. And I'm like, just do this, if you want to do it, like just, but leave me the hell out of it. Like I can't, I can't really think about it too much. And, and you guys are doing like you put together like a group, right? There's 1516 people

Meredith 50:42
a great group of I think it's about 16 people. And, um, everyone is really, really invested and have great ideas about how to tag the episodes and summarize the episodes and give them different, you know, information that's will be helpful and more searchable for so that if people are looking for something specific that they can, and will still have all of your great fun titles, and people that want to listen from the beginning like I did, we'll do that. But if you have a kid that is going through puberty, and you really want to find something about that, or you're really struggling right now with your cow, you know, basil, Basil testing, and you want to look for that and not just find the defining diabetes episode about it, but you want to hear other people talking about it, you'll be able to search for that

Scott Benner 51:48
is very, I am genuinely excited. I used you the sample synopsis of Alyssa Wyler Stein's episode and I use the I

Unknown Speaker 51:56
did not know your cello and and

Scott Benner 51:59
I loved it. And so when I put it up, I was like, This is what these should look like. I found myself fairly disappointed in myself as I use it. I was like, Yeah, I should have been doing this. But at the same time, it's hard to it's a nice in my mind, it's a really, it's not just a nice have. It's an amazing have. But I know how well the podcast is doing. And it did that well without descriptions of the episodes too. So I'm not like, you know,

Meredith 52:25
I think the reason that it's so necessary, is because the podcast has done so well. And there are so many episodes now. Yeah, I think the more episodes there are, the more necessary it is. Because when there were only 20 or 50 or 80 or even 100, then it's fun to find out the Terry lives on a boat. But when they're 400 or 600, or hopefully 1000. Maybe you kind of want to search for something specific. And I think that the people that are interested in doing this LP Scott, are really interested because we've all found your podcasts so helpful for us. And it's a way for us to first of all, make it even more user friendly for us and other people, but also to say thanks cuz, you know, it's been great for us and for our kids. And for all the people that you've been helping,

Scott Benner 53:21
I really I very much appreciate that I seriously do it. This is and it's a pretty big departure for me because I was just like I met Meredith like, I listen, I know, as many of you as I can through like avatars and you know, things people say like, I can't really keep up with everybody, obviously. But you're, I remember your avatar, and I associate your avatar with reasonable things being said, Isn't that amazing? Like, that's how my brain works, right? And so you jumped in, I'm like, oh, reasonable lady with the curly hair in the picture, once the help. Okay.

Unknown Speaker 53:59
So

Scott Benner 54:00
I'm like, that makes sense to me. Because there are crazy people I can think of, and if they would have popped in, I would have been like, oh, stay quiet and pretend you don't see that. So I would have handled it a different way. But it really is amazing. You guys developed a list, like like basically, this form to fill out while somebody listens back to an episode and fills the form out so that the information can be put in. And I tried to I tried to give to the to the whole project on my end as much as I could to and I, I somebody donated some money through the blog. I use the money to pay for a service to do transcripts of the podcasts. And so very slowly, I've added transcripts online. I haven't told anybody yet they're there. If you find them, they're there, but I'm just I don't, I don't. I'm not correcting them. Meaning like I don't do a transcript and then go through and go we've made juicebox two words, you know Basil is with an eye like, you know, you'll get the idea if you're reading. But I've been adding them slowly because that is another thing people ask for that. They don't ask for a lot, but I'm like, Okay, well, that seems reasonable to do. So I've been doing that it's a ton of work. I swear to you, as I started doing it, I was like eight episodes into it. I was like, why did I do this? Should I continue to ignore people's desire for a transcript? But, but I am doing that. And I and I have heard back from a couple of people who found them on their own. I was like, Hey, I just read Episode 11. And I'm like, wow. And you have to understand that, from my perspective, I love the podcast, like I could listen to the podcast on my own. But it's still when you hear somebody say they read a transcript of a 45 minute conversation you had. It's, it's overwhelming to hear somebody say that, you know, they mean, you're just like, no, come on. Because I start talking in the kitchen. And halfway through my sentence, my wife walks out and I'm like, Oh, my God, like she, I like, sometimes I'll be like the other, like, a lot of people waiting to hear what I have to say. And she's like, I'm not one of them. And she like rolls out of the room. Like, Oh, Jesus, that was harsh, you know. But But anyway, my

Meredith 56:07
family's pretty sick of you, too. I talked about you a little too much.

Scott Benner 56:10
You tell them to screw off too. I don't care. If they are not careful. I'll feed them a blueberry.

Meredith 56:17
I think blueberries are okay, but only in maybe limited quantities.

Scott Benner 56:22
I did my best to guess. Like I have an app on my phone here. I can tell you right now, if

Meredith 56:29
you do, I'm gonna tell you, I think you can actually blueberries in almost in in a lot. We're gonna see if I can figure it out, anyway.

Scott Benner 56:39
Well, anyway, I really appreciate that you took the lead on this. I appreciate everyone who's doing it. I am trying to I'm figuring something out to say thank you to you all with because the truth is, is that once you get through the backlog of 400 of them, I'm going to need you to keep going because because a new ones gonna come out and then where are we gonna be?

Meredith 56:59
I think there are people there. We'll keep going. Troy nice to have a cup of them.

Scott Benner 57:05
A couple of blueberries.

Meredith 57:07
A cup of blueberries are green, I think well, they have fructans. They're green for fructose and lactose and Amazon service, all NGOs. But they're, they have fructans in them. So I know, okay, they're low in the quarter cup. But then they're yellow at a third of a cup. And they're red. If you have,

Scott Benner 57:30
oh, I see like severity. A whole cup of a quarter

Meredith 57:34
cup, you can have a quarter cup with no problem. And it starts to get problematic,

Scott Benner 57:40
then that sounds like something I did when I was younger.

Unknown Speaker 57:43
See, there you go.

Scott Benner 57:44
Yeah. Anyway, thank you very much. I really I genuinely appreciate it. It's it's been it's a very, like you guys, you obviously keep me in the loop. And it's like a very professional undertaking. I feel like a project manager. When I get it. I'm like, Wow, my people are working well together.

Unknown Speaker 58:00
They're good people. They're good people. I

Scott Benner 58:02
genuinely believe that everyone listening to this podcast is good. And I'll tell you that I come to that from that private Facebook group, because I because once it got to 7000 people, when it's still such a kind, gentle, lovely place to be. I was like, wow, there's something about this podcast that that you must pull in people like this or something, but it's just I don't know, I don't know how to quantify it, but it's absolutely It's lovely. So, alright, so before we finish like to finish up, I'd like to understand somebody is having an allergic reaction or a physical reaction, they can't figure out what it is they're pretty sure it's food. They try a fodmap diet, which is basic is very simply broken down is a three step process, stop eating high fodmap foods, slowly reintroduce them to see which ones are troublesome, once you identify them, that that cause symptoms you can avoid or limit them while enjoying everything else where you're free, unless you're your family, which is

Meredith 59:02
and you're really supposed to do with a dietitian for fodmaps I'd really recommend you do that with a dietitian but yes, get

Scott Benner 59:06
a doctor. And and so so that's the process. But what happens when you're low fodmap and type one, is it a more insulin situation? Or not? So

Meredith 59:19
not specifically really you eat the same way you otherwise would eat but there are certain things that we switched a little bit So for us it was just I know I looked at the low fodmap list and then I said okay, these are things that are issues for us because of diabetes. So for example, um, like I said, we were using apple juice for Lowe's, we switched to grape juice. Honey was a sweetener that we were using. I don't know whether that's really for diabetes, but whatever we switched to maple syrup. Artificial sweeteners are not good on a fodmap diet so that's, that's an issue. So, um, because artificial sweeteners are better if you're diabetic than using, you know, too much. Um,

Scott Benner 1:00:10
yeah. So that's just something less than death to think about, you know, what the, you know, the argument around artificial sweeteners are is they make you hungry, so you don't eat sugar, but you eat something else, and it might be a toss up anyway.

Meredith 1:00:23
Right, but in terms of just like drinking and stuff, so you don't want to have like one of those, you know, some kind of a drink with an artificial sweetener, or whatever else, you actually need sugar, but then you're going to have to dose for that or whatever. Um, you can't have high fructose corn syrup. That's something a lot. So lots of candies, and things don't work for for low. So a lot of it was really like, what are we going to use for Lowe's? more immediate,

Scott Benner 1:00:50
right? Like, like, when you need something to work right away, your brain goes to simple sugar. So what do you do in a panic situation?

Meredith 1:00:57
So that's so that that was the issue that was I was really interested in the question, the index thing was saying that, like, um, fructose, like the I was, I was listening to that, and some of the things that work faster are actually high and fodmap. So maybe that's why some of our things don't work as well. But we use grape juice, or it uses chocolate, which doesn't work as fast, but that just happens to be something that she uses. So she has allergy friendly chocolate bars that she keeps with her. And she's a bad she does use glucose tabs, um, now, but she didn't use too. Um, and then other things that were sort of relevant, that's not really low fodmap so much, but um, is sort of goes along with stomach issues, a lot of you really shouldn't have too much ibuprofen, so she was taking Tylenol, and she has migraines too, so. So Tylenol then would affect the G five. Now at least she's on the Dexcom g six, so she can have more Tylenol, but not too much Tylenol, because energy six will still go wonky if you get too much. So that's an issue. Um, gluten free pasta is something that you need to have are gluten free, and you know, you eat gluten free on the low fodmap diet. So that's higher carb than some of the other grains. So that's kind of an issue and a lot of the low carb foods also don't work with low fodmap because insulin in them, okay, um, which is a problem. So there's just this like, interaction of things, and I would say that that low fodmap interacts fine with diabetes. I think you just make some substitutions, I think and I would say you especially make substitutions for Lowe's. I would say the hardest thing is really probably the allergies and the diabetes because a lot of the low carb things that would be great go twos are things that my daughter's allergic to but that doesn't mean that everyone's allergic to sure um Wow Yeah.

Scott Benner 1:03:15
Well you you may if you're not tired then I don't be tired

Unknown Speaker 1:03:22
Are you allergic to anything?

Meredith 1:03:24
I I don't eat soy because it gives me migraines. But ironically you know my everyone else in the house can eat soy. But no, I'm just allergic to like dogs and cats and environmental stuff but

Unknown Speaker 1:03:37
don't choose Wow, Jesus Alright,

Meredith 1:03:41
but it won't kill me. You know,

Scott Benner 1:03:42
are your children gonna disclose this during dating? I think I think if they do they're limiting themselves they shouldn't they should keep it free

Meredith 1:03:51
my kids are real catches on just

Scott Benner 1:03:54
Hey, you know if we get married you won't be able to eat you know anything. I hope you enjoy fish and rice

Unknown Speaker 1:04:04
no fish sorry.

Unknown Speaker 1:04:08
Actually,

Meredith 1:04:08
the girl is gonna fish my son Camembert attention to who? You know you got to think about like crack me up No

Unknown Speaker 1:04:16
no no.

Scott Benner 1:04:18
Anyway, I'm sure they have other I just I'm telling them just that they want to be earners. You know what I mean? Like, like wage earners, like so people are like, you know, we can only eat five things, but she makes a good living.

Meredith 1:04:31
Works, you know? Yeah, they do. They need to make a good living because they really like steak. steak and potatoes. No kidding.

Scott Benner 1:04:37
Yeah, I was gonna ask you. Is it more expensive to eat this way? Probably.

Meredith 1:04:40
Oh, yeah, absolutely. Yeah, our food bells are like nuts.

Unknown Speaker 1:04:45
Well, no, well, no pun intended.

Scott Benner 1:04:49
Our food bills are like nuts. Well, I'm just glad that you ate the nuts slowly to get rid of the nut allergies and didn't rub them on you because I was like, as you were saying, and I'm like, is Murdock gonna say we had to rub nuts on our kids then she didn't. And I was like, thank god anywho you were really kind of do this. I am trying really hard to get all people's styles of eating included in the podcast. I had been having Paul on recently talking about carnivore, I only got one half, like kind of sideways pushback online from somebody was like that's, you know, I forget what they said that fad eating and I was like, Listen, it's fat. He Call it whatever you want. I was like, the guy's got one of the most popular podcasts on Apple like it can't because it's a fad. Like, it must be because a lot of people are doing it. I don't know if it's right or wrong or not. I'm not I'm not making a judgement about it. I'm just trying to find out how other people eat and talk about it. So I really appreciate you doing this one because this one's specific. And you jumped right up and you're like, I can talk about fodmap. And I was like,

Meredith 1:05:54
get out of here. All right. And then you know how many people it'll it'll will be relevant for but I you know, I think it'll be

Oh, and I want to say one thing though. I did not cover is with all of our crazy eating things on. A one C is now down. The last time we had an appointment was down to 5.1. Wow.

Scott Benner 1:06:17
Well, that's because of me though. Yeah, I'm just I was joking. Stop.

Unknown Speaker 1:06:23
You know, let me make the joke, though. It is? Absolutely.

Scott Benner 1:06:27
That's very cool. Good for you. I'm, any of the other kids have markers for type one.

Unknown Speaker 1:06:33
The yellow one does,

Scott Benner 1:06:34
yeah, do we? Do we tell which one it is? Or we just tell them? It's one of you.

Meredith 1:06:38
I know at the end and my child knows. But I don't need to

Scott Benner 1:06:41
know I wouldn't ask you to tell everybody else. I was just wondering if you were like, hey, if you got on both tests, and you said, Hey, one of us got it. But I'm not gonna tell you which one?

Meredith 1:06:48
No, I don't think I would do that the child does No.

Scott Benner 1:06:51
Oh, okay. Well, I'm glad you know, how long good you look. Did you use trial that

Meredith 1:06:56
did trial net, and it was fairly soon after diagnosis.

Unknown Speaker 1:07:03
So a couple years ago? Well, and follow you something to look forward to?

Unknown Speaker 1:07:09
We're not. Thanks, God.

Scott Benner 1:07:12
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