#416 From Cloudy to Clear

December 9, 2020Scott Benner

Guess, Check, Jab, See

Lachlan is an adult living with type 1 diabetes, a father and a teacher.

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Hello friends and welcome to the show. On today's episode, I'm gonna be speaking with Lachlan Collins from Australia, and he has type one diabetes. He also has a bunch of kids and a wife. And he's a teacher. Laughlin got Type One Diabetes A long time ago. So he was using like that cloudy insulin and just eating on schedules and stuff like that. And he's gonna talk a lot about that today, and about his transition into newer ways of managing. I really enjoyed this conversation. I hope you will too. While you're listening, please remember that nothing you hear on the Juicebox Podcast should be considered advice, medical or otherwise, always consult a physician before making any changes to your health care plan. or becoming bold with insulin. I just got out of bed honestly. So hold on a second. Good morning. It turned out to be one of those days where where everybody was like, I don't really have to start till nine. My daughter's like school doesn't start till nine. I'm gonna get up at 845. And I'm like, Okay, my wife's like I canceled my seven o'clock meeting. I was like, Oh, all right. So anyway, all the people usually get up, and then wake me up. Because they don't want to take care of the dogs. They'll slip it Sorry, I opened my eyes like it's 840 I gotta move anyway. But yeah, we can leave it on if you want. I just thought it's dark in here. I don't have a whole lot of light.

Lachlan 2:09
Now whatever you want, I'm fine. It's fine. I've been doing this for the last last few months with with teaching kids and stuff. So

Scott Benner 2:17
have your eye

Lachlan 2:19
on or off doesn't matter. The kids. Kids Wi Fi at home Don't isn't normally really good. So normally just talking to a blank screen anyway.

Scott Benner 2:27
I can't believe we all have to think about this stuff now. But like how to talk to each other this way. I'll leave it on. Let's see how it rolls. It seems pretty stable so far. I'm recording your audio already. So before you introduce yourself, let me just finish my thought. What kind of teacher?

Lachlan 2:45
primary school? So I think you guys caught Elementary. Yeah, I'll teach five sixes which is age 1112 year olds.

Unknown Speaker 2:57
Right before they go crazy.

Lachlan 3:00
Or towards the end of this year, they start going crazy. But

Scott Benner 3:05
it's interesting, isn't it? You really do have them right to the spot where they they're just leaving one error. And another one. transitioning into a lunatic is what happens if I remember myself being that age? What do you teach them anything? Do you have them all in one class all day? Or do you have just one subject? How do you guys handle it?

Lachlan 3:27
Yeah, so we're with generalist teachers so that they'll have a couple hours out. Give us time to do some planning couple hours out to do say music or art. Yeah, we'll teach him English and Maths and everything. My name's lucky I tell a father to Yeah, I'm a teacher, as I said, and I'm a top one diabetic.

Scott Benner 3:53
How old were you when you were diagnosed?

Lachlan 3:57
I was 10 years old. Now back in 1997 97,007 17.

Scott Benner 4:01
Just got to you now your whole it's 2017. You're 30. And then 2018. You're 31 1932? You're 33 years old?

Lachlan 4:13
Yes, at the end of the year, you probably

Scott Benner 4:15
be probably like oh my god, those kids I teacher are way better at that than he is but I did some multiplication and a little bit of counting. And then I did addition really it was a lot of my a lot of my grammar school tools were thrown right together there.

Lachlan 4:29
Well, I knew I needed to do something like that. So I had to I had to work out how old I was.

Scott Benner 4:34
I just need to know how old you are. And I find it incredibly boring to ask how old you are for some reason. So okay, so you're 33 now you're diagnosed when you're 10 you were 10 it was 9797 exactly wasn't exactly the golden era of type one diabetes. And you live in Australia, which appears to be a place where American technology doesn't make it very quickly nears, I can tell

Lachlan 5:00
Yeah, it takes takes a while. I think I started off. I think you guys call it regular or something I remember it was a purple vial. And yeah, a couple injections a day with the cloudy and a clean mixture. And now I was on that for Aurukun three or four years before I got any of that. The rapid acting stuff, so, you know, okay, in the early 2000s, yeah.

Scott Benner 5:27
What he is you listen to the show. So is being diagnosed in Australia much different than being diagnosed anywhere else or mean.

Lachlan 5:38
I don't think so. I think like listening, listening, obviously, to you, too, over the last 1218 months, probably the whole podcast resonated with me with the fact that there's so many stories that I'm just like, sitting back listening or, or golf or walking on. Yeah, that that's exactly what happened to me, or that's, you know, that seems what was happening to my mom or, or that, you know, just kind of like, you know, it doesn't matter where you are? I don't think it kind of it does. Yeah,

Scott Benner 6:09
I agree. Do you find it comforting? Or?

Unknown Speaker 6:15
Were Yeah.

Lachlan 6:18
Initially, when I started listening, I didn't I don't know exactly what I was listening, while I started to listen to your Skype, but what it was, you know, started hearing some of these stories, where to start, you know, some of the some of the things that I've heard before or things have happened to me, I was like, I did start to feel a little bit of a connection with, with total strangers, I suppose. And that's, you know, I suppose what kept, you know, kept me hooked throughout Alaska last year. So

Scott Benner 6:47
excellent. I just think that there are some people who very much want to believe that, you know, we're all individuals in a way that nobody's the same and, I mean, everybody has their individual things, but for the most part, you know, I mean, we all live in a society, you know, there's doctors that are fairly similar. And I didn't know if that is I don't have diabetes. I didn't know if that made it comfortable, or if it was angering to not feel like your situation was unique. And but it's nice to know that it feels, you know, like it draws you in and makes you feel comforted. So that's excellent. Oh, cool. Mom, Dad, Mom, just who'd you have gone when you're diagnosed?

Lachlan 7:31
Well, I'd mom and dad at home that mom mom helped with? With everything. I think, right from the start, she was she went through with with me to the hospital and things like that. But yeah, pretty much at the hospital, I wouldn't, I wouldn't let anybody jabbed me, I wouldn't let a nurse or a doctor or if my mom give me an injection, so 10 years old, I was straight on, not on, on doing this on, on taking control of this and, and run with it. So mum was there, you know, that was pretty much made from the

Scott Benner 8:10
from the get go. But in those first number of years, using the cloudy you're just really getting up in the morning, giving yourself some insulin, and making sure you eat at certain times was that about the extent of it?

Lachlan 8:25
That's pretty much it. And I reckon that's pretty much my life. And until two years ago, not I wasn't, I wasn't using that insulin, but just just giving a few jabs. And, and not worrying about not not checking, you know, I might do one one test a day. If I if I was lucky, you know, didn't even really know what a carb ratio was, until a couple years ago, just look at a plate and go around, I'll do six or seven, eight units, just guessing if I went low or went low. If not, I was just, you know, just winging it. You know, I'm not sure exactly what the what the education was with, was with mom or anything like that. But, you know, it was just just guessing, checking. jabbing. See

Scott Benner 9:12
what, I grew up with a friend who had diabetes. So I think, you know, in those first couple years for you, that sounds, it mirrors his experience. Exactly. I can remember him thinking that little things like we're going to be more active today. So we'd give himself like a little less, or, you know, we were going to sit, we're gonna go to a movie, so it'd be a little more, but that was the extent of his consideration about it. And his meter was like, you know, it was like half the size of a shoe box, and it never left his house. So and he never used it and he never went to the doctor, like there was not like a I want to make sure I'm being clear. He wasn't. He wasn't not going to the doctor. It was just like the idea of having an endocrinologist just for your diabetes sort of didn't exist for him is Yeah, his general practitioner took care of it. And I don't know what took care of it means it must have meant making sure he had supplies and insulin. And that was pretty much it. But you unlike my friend, you transitioned into fast acting insulin in a couple of years. So you're saying that when you move to what do you guys call it Nova rapid there? Yeah. Okay. Yep. When you move to that, you're only like, it's so funny, right? I can't believe how things work out. Sometimes you're about 13 years old. We were just talking about that when it started, you know? Not the not the not exactly the greatest time for boys,

Unknown Speaker 10:37
for

Scott Benner 10:38
sure. And so did you treat the novo rapid? Like it wasn't much different than the cloudy just that it got injected at meals instead of it set times?

Lachlan 10:49
Yeah, pretty much what when, when I was introduced to that I was actually, I was one of the first I think I was the second kid that we traveled, or hours to get to the Children's Hospital in Melbourne. And when we got down there one time, the doctor was talking about lantis and how it was gone through a trial stage at that point wasn't actually, you know, freely available and stuff like that. So I was like the second kid or something in that in his office that day, and he was just like, yep, you're gonna be the second kid on the trial, or introduced Lantus. And while you're there, you're gonna be using this Nova rapid stuff as well. So you know, learnt learning how to how to get that Lantus dose, right. And then, yeah, the Nova rapid was just, it was more of a sign, you know, just look at the plight and trying to go Yeah. Yeah, I'll just have a guess it's much looking back. Do

Scott Benner 11:51
you have the feeling that you and the doctor were learning about this at the same time?

Lachlan 11:58
I think so. Yeah. Yeah.

Scott Benner 12:00
Yeah. as it moved in. I have to tell you, I'm sorry. This is gonna derail us for a second. But if you all want to look into my mind, you said I traveled four hours to get to my endocrinologist. Immediately, I see your mother on a zebra, you have little tan shorts on and boots and a hat. You're riding on the back of a kangaroo. And I know that's not what Australia is. But just so you know, you're telling this story. And like, in my mind, are these cartoon characters making their way across I don't know what the landscape was in my head. But it was a trek. Honestly, you had to stop at a watering hole is really something.

Lachlan 12:38
Every time you talk to somebody from overseas, when we have been traveling, that is suck, you say kangaroos regularly like you

Scott Benner 12:45
know, Yeah, you do. Like squirrels here. They're just everywhere.

Unknown Speaker 12:50
Yeah, they're there.

Unknown Speaker 12:51
When you have you been to the US?

Lachlan 12:55
Not the US. No. Okay, perfect. When you imagine

Scott Benner 12:57
the US is it just New York City.

Lachlan 13:03
Just Just finished watching something I'm telling you about. To bring bring down the mood map mass school shootings, and all this type of stuff. So now I think of cities and everyone in America has got a gun. That's what we just said.

Scott Benner 13:19
We're just all walking around with go see the Wild West. super interesting, because I have a, you know, well, I have a record realization of, of Australia, that's not real at all. And yours is pretty damn accurate. We don't want to so you know, it's an I think it is a little regional here. And by regional I don't mean state to state, although it is it might be county to county, or, you know, like, whatever. I probably shouldn't say this out loud, because people, I think some people figure it out who I am by now. But I've never held or shot a gun in my life. I have no interest in doing it. It isn't because of my politics. I just, you know, but but I would be lying to you if I didn't think sometimes. How am I going to like, you know, defend this house. If somebody comes barreling in here? Is it just gonna be me in a bat? And maybe that's better off like, I don't know. It just, you know, I don't know. I really don't I know some people that have 10 guns, to be perfectly honest with you, and I can't for the life of me imagine what they're doing. To me, it would be like if I had 10 computers, if I had 10 computers, I'd want you to call a doctor and say, Hey, I got this friend. He said, can you help computers? But that's super, that's very interesting. Okay, so you're so you just made a statement. I mean, I'm 33 years old. You get this novo wrap it around the time you're 13. So for 18 of the last 20 years, you're doing what you described, you're looking at your plate and Going I don't know about this much. And saying that I'll either get low or I won't. Did you first of all give any consideration to what would happen if you didn't use enough insulin? Was that ever part of your thought process?

Lachlan 15:12
No, no, not really. I was never. I was never afraid of being low. that that wasn't an issue with me. So I would always kind of go if I looked at a plate and thought six or six units, I might go seven units. You know, it would, wouldn't wear me out. Yeah, I remember being being young and dumb, and, and being low and, and not even eating just like just saying how far I can push it. When I was in my early teens and stuff and just sit on the couch and shake and sweat and have some jelly beans next to me. And, you know, I've never been afraid of it. So I've always kind of been probably lower than higher.

Scott Benner 15:50
Where you consciously in those moments, just thinking, I wonder how long I can hold out till I pass out. Was that a game? Or were you incapable of getting to food or what's that

Lachlan 16:01
about? Yeah, probably. Yeah. Like I said, I was just young and, and Domine. At some. Yeah, probably. Sometimes just coming home from school and just thought, I feel a little bit low. I wonder how shaky I could get. Oh, I've never never been unconscious or anything like that. So I'll probably be a bit chicken or lose.

Scott Benner 16:22
Once you'd be like, you know what, why don't I eat something?

Lachlan 16:24
Yeah. What a stupid thing to do. Yeah.

Scott Benner 16:28
Although I probably just scared the hell out of every mother of a boy that has. They're probably like, Wait, you mean that idiot stuff he does is gonna translate.

Lachlan 16:39
Yeah, I'm not an idiot now. But yeah.

Scott Benner 16:42
Oh, congratulations. I stopped being an idiot a year or two ago myself. Well, okay, well, that's it. I mean, it's good to know, though. It's, it's not that everybody's the same. But, you know, I mean, you're just describing how I handled cutting the lawn when my dad was like, cut lawns. Like, I'll get to it, you know. And he'd get angrier and angrier. And eventually, he looked like he was gonna kill me. And that's probably about when you were shaking. I was just testing out the waters, I guess. But you know what I was thinking when you said that was as much as you didn't have a system? You did. Because you were aggressive, and not scared to get up to sweating and shaking. So you probably were looking at food, giving yourself insulin, not getting shaky, and thinking, Oh, I could have done more. And then going more getting shaky and backing off a little bit. I bet you had some sort of a system even if you weren't maybe even completely aware of it. You know what I mean by that?

Lachlan 17:45
Yeah, I probably would have I would have been remembering how much I've given you an update and not? Yeah, for sure.

Scott Benner 17:50
Yeah, it's not. I mean, listen, that's not a good system. You're not going to build a podcast around that or something like, imagine ISIS Laughlin, I have a podcast about diabetes, what you do is you give yourself insulin, if you don't get shaky and sweaty next time you do more. That's not a good plan. But, but for a kid. Now. Why? And I'm not this is not a condemnation, obviously, because I'm trying to just figure out how it happens. Was your mom just not involved? Did she not know you were getting sweaty and shaky? Or was that just kind of thought of is part of the game how it goes?

Lachlan 18:27
Now I just would have been mom could have been anywhere at that at that point in time in the house. And I could have just been sitting watching Telly. And nobody would know that no, no technology, those days with CGM with alarms and stuff like that. So she could have been walking past and not even taking a second look at me. She didn't have to probably listen to this and be horrified. Now, I don't know if I've ever told her that but she'll find out but sure.

Scott Benner 18:54
She'll find out. How much of that do you think comes from those first few years of the of the cloudy? Like of just like this? Did it set up the expectation that this is what diabetes was? Were you waylaid a bit by the fact that the doctor did not step in and say hey, here's how you use this stuff. It's, it's markedly different than what we're doing now. Because I don't think that your experience leaving older insulin and coming into faster acting insulin is any different than most people who lived in that space. I also don't think it's different that you took so long to figure it out. I think it's a fairly common story. But do you have a feeling for what lulls you into like just feeling like that was okay.

Lachlan 19:37
Probably probably the fact that I'm only now realizing and hearing about, you know, the how different insulin works is, is that that clarity stuff that makes sure it takes a long time to work so you get lower later on, if you do nothing if you're not eating at the right time, so I'll be having lows anyway and I'm on even be thinking, I don't know why I'm feeling like this, because I've been on so long ago. So, you know, maybe it was just the fact that, you know, that's just diabetes you get you get low, sometimes you get shaky sometimes, you know? Yeah. Don't worry, you know,

Scott Benner 20:16
isn't it interesting that just the lack of a couple of tools really made that that statement, which you've heard me rail about on the podcast, you know, don't just say that's just diabetes. It's not you don't understand how to use insulin, but in that exact timeframe in history, that really was just diabetes. And the lack of a small portable meter was really the difference in your life. Like, that's fascinating. That's not good over here.

Lachlan 20:45
No, that's me. Two beeps.

Scott Benner 20:46
What does that put you? Are you high?

Lachlan 20:49
7.1 I just had a, I just had a couple of days. Ah, I'm gonna wide up lakes trails, I'll see watch them telling how to be

Scott Benner 21:00
with time isn't there, by the way?

Lachlan 21:03
live in 2018.

Scott Benner 21:04
I'm sorry for that. But thank you very much. I'm gonna do that. I gotta find my conversion chart.

Lachlan 21:12
Oh, sorry. I got it. Thanks, 128 120.

Scott Benner 21:15
Oh, so where's your high alarm set?

Lachlan 21:20
It's set at 7.0 rs. 126.

Scott Benner 21:24
Is that because of the podcast? Because if it is, I'm very proud of you.

Lachlan 21:29
Yeah, yeah. And the fact that now I've got a CGM. And I can I can actually,

Scott Benner 21:34
well, that was something I just heard beeping from a Dexcom. has had somebody from Australia on pretty recently. But obviously, it was recorded a couple of months prior where she was talking about not being able to get to it. But has that become different recently,

Lachlan 21:50
for you guys? Alfa summit has. So I think if the new runs if you're over 60 years old, and if you're under 18, or if you're on a healthcare card, so if you're a low, low income earner, you get the library or the Dexcom, I think, fully funded, but I'm working, working teacher, like I said before, so I earned too much money and have to pay for and pocket

Scott Benner 22:21
Well, in fairness, I can see your home. And it's obvious that you have opulent wealth, and your health should be tied to that for certain COVID I'm not making fun of locks on this house, it's just you know, there are no gold toilets behind him as near as I can see. So

Lachlan 22:41
I spent all my money on Dexcom since

Scott Benner 22:44
we dispersed this room up, but I'm trying to keep my blood sugar under 120. Well, you know, it's interesting, I don't know that there's a perfect health care system anywhere, obviously. And it always does come back to money somewhere, there's not an endless supply of money, or you're in a more capitalist society, where people are like, Hey, you could totally be healthy, if you can afford it. You know, so not for nothing. But that's, I mean, it's great that you got it, how long have you had it?

Lachlan 23:13
The Dexcom have been on since November, I tried to the library for about nine months. And that was that was awesome. That was a bit cheaper. But then I decided that I wanted to take another step and get a pump as well. So I thought I'm gonna get something that kind of integrates with that. And listening to you talk about Dexcom ching ching, it's meant to mention your sponsors, but

Scott Benner 23:43
I saw a Dexcom in Australia, as easy as I can sell it in Missouri, just so you know. Dexcom The price is probably going up next year.

Lachlan 23:53
Yeah, so I thought I'll give that a crack, you know, a lot to the, you know, the idea of having those alarms, I wouldn't have known I was seven. That was 120. Then Yeah. alarm went off. So

Scott Benner 24:05
well. What's the car? Is it all out of pocket for you? Do you pay cash for them? Or some of its subsidized?

Lachlan 24:12
Yes. So I got it's $250. So I don't know what that's American. But $250 for for sensors. Okay. And $250 for a transmitter that I've got onto people on social media that that can race reset, a re battery the transmitters. So, pay 50 bucks for a better transmitter instead?

Scott Benner 24:38
Well, I have to say only because of the sponsorship. I'm very much against that. And I think that's wrong, and you shouldn't do that. That's just what I would say real quick about that.

Lachlan 24:48
And also restart the census. That's horrible too, but that's what I've got to do.

Scott Benner 24:53
No, no, no, I am. Listen. I think you gotta do what you got to do. I was just looking to that. About the money exchanged looks like one of your dollars is like 70. So 70% of ours is one of yours. I am now very embarrassed to tell you that I went through 12 years of school and I realized there's probably some very simple mathematical equation that would tell me what that amount is. And I don't know what

Lachlan 25:18
it is is 100 $190.

Scott Benner 25:20
So I would take, I would find out what 30% what I would do here is take your cost, let's make it round numbers, just say I said $300. And I would find out what 30% of that is. And then that's what it would cost here. And so I would multiply point three, get 90 and subtract it or is that completely wrong? That's wrong. That's a third. Dammit. Hold on. Let's do it again.

Lachlan 25:45
Three, subtract that from 300. Don't talk.

Scott Benner 25:49
Don't just wait. I'm embarrassing myself. I have to stop my I never once in mathematics through my entire learning system that I come up with the correct answer in the right way. And back then, as a dumb kid, I thought, what does it matter? I'm being tested, I have the answer. And now I realize it's a lot about how you apply it when you need it. It would be like if I stopped a car by throwing a rock out the window attached to a rope, and then got into a real situation, right? It's not very quickly and thought, Boy, I bet you it would have been better if I knew how to use the braking system on this car. So when I need math, I'm, I'm lost. You probably none of you should probably be listening to this podcast, just so you know. But But okay, so you're so you're doing that, I think it's great. It's tough, because I imagine teachers aren't, you know, any more better paid in Australia than they are in in America. It's not like you're, you know, just probably walking out of the building every week, waving to the children. Goodbye, kids. I'll see you later, my money falling out of your pockets. I don't know what I'm going to do with all this money I got today for teaching you. So it sucks. But I love that you're doing it. I have to tell you. This hasn't come up on an episode yet. But I'm wearing index calm right now. I'm getting to where one for 10 days, right. And it's fascinating in a way that I can't believe I'm saying it as if I've never seen it before. And obviously, I've been looking at my daughter's data and other people's data forever and ever, but to watch it work in a person whose pancreas is doing what you expect. It's it's really eye opening. And I think I'm going to learn a lot so that I can talk to other people, which is was my goal when I asked for it. And it but it was hard at first and and the reason I bring it up is because as I as I was about to put it on the first time, I thought, am I about to find out something about my health? I don't know. Like, do you need me like am I about 48 years old? Am I about to slap this on to find out I have pre diabetes, about this, slap this on and find out that my favorite meal is something I probably should never eat again, you know, you know, like these that it was it was very, it was very interesting. And I'll tell you two things that have really kind of like, been super interesting about it. One is, and this is not what we would call humble brag. This is just what's happening. Arden's blood sugar and mine are following very similar patterns and heights. When we eat the same meals together, which was incredibly comforting. Do you really mean like when I see her blood sugar go to I don't know, you know, 120 after a meal, and then it comes back down again? Yeah, see mine do the same thing. took away a lot of anxiety for me, because I think that when we use insulin, least if you're listening to this podcast, you're trying to stay ahead of a potential mess up, right? And the idea of 120 diagonal up, you still don't know as much data as that is you still don't know. Is that about to be 170 diagonal up? Or is it going to level and come back again. And then I think that fear makes me concerned that any rise is bad. And then I realized there are some meals that we're handling better with insulin than my body could handle. Again, I'm not I'm not like Arnold Schwarzenegger at 48 over here, but you know, at the same time I'm, I'm not dripping out of my chair, you know, so I'm doing okay, that that part's been really kind of comforting. And the other thing is I find myself very This is gonna make you laugh, I hope because either that or again, you might want to call somebody and say Scott needs help. I find myself irritated at how slow my body takes care of my blood sugar. I look I think I wish I could give myself insulin here. Or, yeah, I would love to have Pre-Bolus this. Yeah. It's been just

Lachlan 30:09
telling you just tell the pancreas that I'm about to eight months, well not so it's not working.

Scott Benner 30:15
You'll apparently you'll probably hear this on the podcast before you hear yourself on it. But eventually I'm going to talk to Jenny about the entire experience. And I was telling her that I was texting her, I was like, I want to Pre-Bolus. I said, No, that sounds stupid. And she goes, your body sort of does. And I said, How? And she said, and I will have to dig into it more. But she said, when you smell food, your body starts to give you insulin. And I was like, get out of here. Did you make that up? I'm texting her back. I'm like, you made that up. Like, you just mess it with me, you know. But yeah, I'm gonna dig into that more and figure that out, too. But I have so trained myself to not want to see that graph. Bell at all, that when it happens, it makes me uncomfortable, even though I know for certain my blood sugar is gonna come back down again.

Lachlan 31:06
Yeah, it's, it's interesting, when when I got the, when I got finally got the Dexcom, I still had one of the Libras leftover. And I very persuasively talk my wife into wearing it for the two weeks as well, because I wanted the same type of data. And the thing I got from it was, how low she went when she was fasting, is she was comfortably sitting, sitting around, you know, 3.8 to 4.0. I got it ran 668 to 7070 all night without any issues and that type of thing. That's normal. So, you know, I would, you know, be a little bit more comfortable sitting at, you know, in the 70s. Overnight, rather than thinking or I'm sitting at that hour, but I have a little snack before I go to bed. Because, you know, it's normal, nothing bad's gonna happen.

Scott Benner 31:57
Yeah, there's an old episode called Terry lives on a boat. And he was the first person that ever said that to me years and years ago. He's like, you know, there are people without diabetes whose blood sugar's go to 60 and sit there for a while they're not scared of it. First of all, they don't know it. But secondly, they're not scared of it because their their body's not gonna pull them lower than that. And it's not like they have you know, man made insulin them running wild because they use too much of it. And I thought, okay, that's comforting. You know, like I took a lot from that actually just recently recorded a second episode with with him and it's gonna go up in a little bit. I just very much enjoyed him. I reached out into the listeners, I was like, I said real quick. Whoever says it wins first, like, name an episode you really loved and somebody came back right away. It might have been a woman named Jamie and she said, Terry lives on a boat. I love that episode. I got so much from that when I was like done, I'm gonna record retiree again, sorry, I got him back. And it was really it was really, really interesting. The guy who pays attention, so Okay, so you you go about your life for these 18 years, living the way you described what happens that makes you pay closer attention. Je Volk hypo pan has no visible needle, and it's the first premixed auto injector of glucagon for very low blood sugar and adults and kids with diabetes ages two and above. Not only is chivo hypo penned simple to administer, but it's simple to learn more about, all you have to do is go to G Vogue glucagon.com forward slash juicebox g vo shouldn't be used in patients with insulinoma or pheochromocytoma. Visit je Vogue glucagon.com slash risk. You know, sometimes you're just banging around the internet looking for something to understand, learn, see or look at checkout touched by type one.org. While you're doing that, and if you're not such an internet person, and so much as you don't like the www, you can also look on Instagram, and Facebook. Touch by type one is my favorite diabetes organization. And I really hope you check into them. While you're out there, don't you deserve a state of the art accurate blood glucose meter? I can answer for you. You do you do deserve that. And it's not as far away as you think. You might be thinking I have a blood glucose meter. It's right here. It works fine. Does it? Is it one of the more accurate ones available? How do you know? Well luckily for you, well, I know that the Contour Next One blood glucose meter ranks at the very top ranks up there with the very best of blood glucose meters. It's super accurate, easy to use as a bright light for nighttime tracking and a second chance test trip. So you don't have to waste the strip. If you touch the blood but don't get it off and you still get an accurate reading when you go back in for that. next little bit of blood. Contour Next one.com forward slash juicebox learn about their meter. Learn about their journey. Your program, and you may even be eligible for a free Contour Next One meter. Not only that, I know you're like Scott, that's a lot already, but there's a little more. Many people may find that paying cash for the Contour. Next One and the test strips is cheaper than getting your current meter through insurance, it's worth looking into Contour Next one.com forward slash juicebox touch by type one.org g vo glucagon.com, forward slash juicebox. There are links in the show notes or links at Juicebox Podcast Comm. And of course, you can always type them right into a web browser. Let's get back to Laughlin who's about to answer a question. What happens that makes you pay closer attention?

Lachlan 35:48
Probably the birth of my second son, I just I just started thinking a little bit more about the diabetes and the fact that you know, I suppose runs in the family to some extent I was a bit you know, of paternal instincts. I don't know what it is, but started wiring about my boys getting it before they actually get it. So I was like, Well, if if it does happen that, you know, one of my sons do get it one day, I kind of wanted to know, I wanted to know something because it turns out I knew kind of nothing. I was just making it up as I was going. So from there, I just I started educating myself, I started reading books, and I asked to ask the doctor that I was saying, you know about CGM. And he knew nothing. He was just like, is the name of an educator, go to go to this lady. And because I've never been to a diabetic educator either. And she was just like, yeah, these This is, uh, this is what they are, this is how you get them, you know, you're gonna have to pay out of pocket for them. And then, you know, from then when I strapped one of those on, and you know, like I said, I was reading books and that that educated kind of said to get online and start talking to people on a bit of community because I never knew I never knew diabetic from when I was growing up, right?

Scott Benner 37:14
None of the kangaroos have diabetes.

Lachlan 37:17
Yeah, they might have, but they don't say much. So

Scott Benner 37:21
that's gonna be a problem there. No, you can't form a community with a bunch of kangaroos that won't talk to you. That's for certain? Well, so a couple of things. You said there are interesting, the one that really sticks out to me is that even when you went to a doctor and like I have to do better at this, they said, Here, we'll take this technology, and then go online and find somebody who can help you like it. Was there any part of you that was looking, I'm like, you're the person you're supposed to be?

Lachlan 37:47
Well, first, I went to my doctor and asked him about it. And he was he gave me to somebody else who, you know, who was supposed to know, and she didn't know, things about it, it was just the fact that you know, to get more information that you want, you know, from I only had my short, short appointment time, you know, get online and start talking people and find things out. So

Scott Benner 38:10
those poor doctors must have PTSD. By the end of the day, in the week, just 20 people asked me for help. And I said, I don't know, you know, we only have 10 minutes together. Have you tried online Goodbye, like, you know, I feel terrible. Sometimes when it's over. When you put on? You said you went with the library first, when you put that on? What did you learn?

Lachlan 38:33
sparks sparks? Or is that just how high I went? After reading, and then not not panicking, but just kind of go I didn't realize that maybe I didn't give him enough insulin and then I'll give more insulin. And then the insulin that I gave to start with would catch up and then I'll get really low lighter. So is the fact that I was Miss Tommy is the old adage of Pre-Bolus times and which I didn't know anything about at that at that period. So I was having lots of spikes going up to 1414 or 13. To 60 to 70. Yeah, and then come back down and and, and that type of stuff.

Scott Benner 39:17
So how low Are you getting?

Lachlan 39:20
Ah, I could get well into the twos into the 40s. Yeah, regularly.

Scott Benner 39:26
So even some of your eight one c Do you remember what your agency was in that time?

Lachlan 39:31
Oh, yeah. Every time went to the doctor, and I still went every three months, six months ever since I was diagnosed. I've never, never didn't go always in mid sevens.

Scott Benner 39:45
So you're in the mid sevens. And you're but your blood sugar's are regularly 40 and regular 200 regularly 280. So your deviations so far off that the lncs sort of meaningless.

Lachlan 39:57
Yeah, so the doctors always said you you're doing okay, you don't find He's just scripts Off you go. So and I just took him as much as right now I'm doing fine. I don't know anything what I'm doing, but what I'm doing is fine.

Scott Benner 40:09
Well, you may or may not enjoy the episode I put up last night. So I had a doctor who works for Dexcom His name is john Welsh, and I so the way it started was, is I reached out to there's a person I used to schedule my stuff with Dexcom. Right. So I reached to that person. And I said, I would love to get someone on who can really pick apart standard deviation as it relates to diabetes, and how these these graphs are built, and how we talked about because, you know, a one C was, you know, the only measurement for a long time, but now, you know, standard deviation people are telling you is maybe more important. And he came on and told me beyond that, that. And here comes my lack of school, again, co coefficient coefficients of all odds are made with it, you're like, no, the kids I teach are not that old. I don't know, either. One second, Oh, my gosh. Anyway, john comes on. And while I'm looking, and he is much smarter than me, and I could tell immediately, when he started speaking, I was like, Oh, so I picked a spot on my desk for an hour and a half, and stared at it. And listen to him like this, when he was talking, like trying to keep up it was it was it was like being sent into, it felt like I was being sent to an algebra class for the first time. And I only had an hour to learn it. And because I had to ask him follow up questions that were reasonable. So So while we're talking, he's like, Scott, I think standard deviation, coefficient of variation, time and range, a one see these things together are the story, you know, not just the a one C, which, you know, you hear people say a lot over the last couple of years, or I hear them say it a lot, but it never followed with context. So I wanted more context for it. Even I would tell people I I'd say kind of just like, you know, like James Bond asking for a drink, I'd be like, Well, you know, anyone sees not everything, your standard deviations, very important. And then, you know, just sort of fell off because I don't know what the hell else to say after that. You know, I didn't know what else. And I wanted to know. Well, I know now. Interview Listen, you'll know to, but you're going to need to listen through some, you know, which I'm assuming to math people was probably like coloring, you know, like me. While I'm just like, oh, that guy's telling me calculus was, but but but he did his best and I and I, you know, to make it, you know, digestible. But in the end, it was very interesting. an hour, I was supposed to have him for an hour and an hour and 20 minutes into it, because he was sharing his screen with me. I couldn't see my clock. And I just suddenly thought, oh, like, what time is it? You know, so I looked down. I was like, I'm keeping you you have to go and and it the time flew by, like, the description of it probably sounds so dry, and boring. But I really enjoyed, like having the conversation and I hope other people enjoy listening to it. Honestly, because I think he's right, like he talked about, there's this number in your clarity, coefficient of variation. He said, If you keep that number under 36%, you greatly decrease your chance of low blood sugars. And I was like, Are you serious? Like all these numbers mean something. So that was just really interesting. But But nevertheless, to go back a little farther. Hopefully your children will never hear this. Why did the birth of your first child not make you want to be a better parent?

Lachlan 43:55
No, I would have thought about it. For sure. Actually, I just gave him a blood prick tonight, because he was drinking a little bit too much and gone toward a bit too much tonight the first job, but I know just I don't know, maybe I was thinking the first one I just came, you know a bit more than that. So

Scott Benner 44:11
I was like, I was like, God, I hope he doesn't say, you know, to be honest, the first one's kind of a prick. So I really, you know, I mean, if I'm not around for him, whatever. But the second one I really like that's a good question. What a good What a good kid, you know. But I understand how old were you when you had your first?

Lachlan 44:34
29

Scott Benner 44:34
Yes, yeah, I have to tell you. I don't really think this is I don't, you know, I don't want women to take too much of a wind from this. But I don't think I was really a human being until my early 30s to be perfectly honest. I mean, like I was just in my 20s after I got married, I was just like a machine of doing things that I thought my wife needed or wanted. Like didn't mean like building a life. That kind of feeling I don't think I got to the point where I was like, I wonder, you know, who I am, you know, like, that didn't hit me until 3132 33. I was like, I wonder if I could maybe pay attention a little more. But I hear what you're saying. And I and I think the same thing. Through this pandemic, I, I purposefully, I recognize when the COVID-19 thing came, and they were like, everybody get in your house, I was like, Oh, I'm gonna get fat. Like, my first thought I was like, I'm gonna weigh 50 pounds more than this when this is over. And I thought I can't let that happen. And so I did some simple stuff that obviously I could have done forever. I went to intermittent fasting schedule of eating, you know, cut out a couple of items, not much took some oils, like processed away a lot of my life, like simple stuff that obviously I should have been doing forever and wasn't brain surgery. And I lost I've lost 11 pounds so far, during this whole thing. But it wasn't Thank you. It wasn't from. I never once thought I wish I looked better. I don't know how this will sound but I don't think of myself as how I look. Like I think of myself as like, what's going on in my head, if that makes any sense. And my thoughts are me, in my opinion. But I really did start thinking about, you know, my kids are gonna have to go on for a while. And I don't know, I had something going on. I talked to my mom, my mom's 76. And I thought this was valuable. Like, I learned something talking to my mom today. I want to be available for my kids to talk to me, you know, hopefully, hopefully, they're just not that guy's a prick. Nevermind. I don't mean, you know, the way you think of your children, but

Lachlan 46:46
just one.

Scott Benner 46:47
Well, in fairness, the other one's terrific. You know, so I was kind of doing the same thing. And I really hope I can keep doing it. I think I found something that's very workable for me. So I don't, I don't see how I'll have trouble sticking to it. But I understand what you mean. So. So once you decided you wanted to be there for your second child. And you got this advice from the doctor to go into the community. You said you found some books, what books did you find?

Lachlan 47:16
I read things like a pancreas, which is Gary Schneider's. I

Scott Benner 47:21
think you've interviewed him before I've never had Barry on but Jenny works for Gary.

Lachlan 47:25
Oh, that's right. Yeah, that's what I've heard. Yeah. That bright bright spots and landmines book who have interviewed Adam,

Scott Benner 47:33
did they help

Lachlan 47:35
those books? Yeah, they did. They did. I don't do a lot of reading for my own site for my for myself. For the work I do, but I did. I did learn a lot there. Like, like I said, at the beginning, I didn't even know what to carb ratio was like I was I was basically, I kind of thought of myself as just being diagnosed all over again. I was getting all this information. And because I was interested in wanting to learn about it, it was it was sticking in the head, right. And then, you know, from there, it was, you know, trying to listen to people online and everybody else's opinions and things and stuff. And it just kind of got too much people just conflicting things that say, Oh, that was the other book. The burns Bernstein's dark Swan, whatever, that one Oh,

Scott Benner 48:27
you thought about maybe doing low carb at some point?

Lachlan 48:29
Well, it's just another book that I read. And and I, you know, I tried it for a little while, and it was great. But, you know, I enjoy beer too often or too, too often. So it was just like it just, it worked. out for me

Scott Benner 48:46
for dinner. It's a ribeye steak again. He bought a whole cow he stuck in a freezer, he's chipping a piece off every night. biking, hiking, biking. Please don't yell at me. Low Carb people I know there are other foods that are low carb but I i understand. And I think by now people who really listen like if you stumbled on this show on this episode, and heard me say that you'd be like there's another person saying, I don't think low carb is not a good option. I think that whatever people like are comfortable with that works for them is a good idea. I'm not a nutritionist. I couldn't tell you if one thing is better for you than the other. I mean, you heard me try to do percentage of 300 the other man I still don't have the answer. It's so good. But what I what I always really think and I hold dear is that you need to understand how insulin works so that whatever eating system you come up with, you can you can stay ahead of your meals, you know, like you just need to understand how insulin works and then do whatever you want after that. I honestly don't care. But so you took all this information in and what do you think the first like adjustment you ended up making was like What got you on like, what is your agency now?

Lachlan 49:57
As of three weeks ago, it was five point Non Wow. And that was on. That was MDI, I was because I've only got the pump for about two weeks now. So yeah, my educator, my educator said, when I got the pump and told her that, she said, What are you getting on a pump for? You're not going to do better than that. So

Unknown Speaker 50:17
I said, Well,

Lachlan 50:17
I said, Just wait, just wait and say,

Scott Benner 50:20
lady, I got a podcast and I'm just gonna tell you right now,

Unknown Speaker 50:23
I'm gonna get out of Scott,

Scott Benner 50:26
five, five, you just hold on to yourself a little bit longer. That's that's very, I mean, first of all, five, nine on empty eyes is terrific. And the books I can't, you know, I can't say a bad thing about any of the books that you found. But let's be honest, it was the podcast that really fixed it for you, right?

Lachlan 50:45
Oh, absolutely. Yeah. Yo, man. Yeah, it just got to the point where it's like, I might have a little bit of information, but I don't really know how to apply everything. And I suppose you know, a lot of your analogies and things you tug of war one gets me every time you mention it.

Unknown Speaker 51:04
I'm glad

Lachlan 51:05
when I heard that the first time it just just clicked. And it was just, you know, I've just got to give it a bit of time and a bit of bit of a head start. And, you know, I would have those thoughts. And I don't know, which is correct. Do you

Scott Benner 51:17
know, have I ever said how that where that tug of war? Like, thing came from? Oh, I mean, I was. So a lot of what I know, a lot of what I understand about the podcast was made more, I enriched it by talking to people privately. So I had these ideas. And I would write them on the blog, and then the podcast, you know, when the podcast started, even, and I still do it now. But it's almost like an exercise for me at this point. But back then I would do, I would have a lot of conversations with people, what would happen is like through social media, someone would probably be in the same exact situation, you found yourself in online, desperately trying to figure out what's going on and someone else who had read a blog, or, or something would say, Hey, you know, this guy, Scott will help you if you message him. And so when people message, they start sending, if you've ever tried to message diabetes management back and forth, but it's just it's too much and too much gets lost in writing. And so I would tell these people, why don't you just call me, because we can, you know, we can bang this out in 45 minutes, I genuinely believe that if you're motivated in about 45 minutes, I could probably fix everyone say, you know, like, it's not like, it's not that because I've I've kept honing it, like getting that conversation down shorter and shorter and shorter. There might be people listening now that were like, Oh, my God, my call with Scotland like, you know, an hour and 15 minutes. That was before I got really good at it. So it's so it ended up being practice for me. Like, I know, I wasn't practicing on people. Like I wasn't saying stuff that I didn't know. But like the way I would say it would, would get refined. And one day I was speaking with this very young mother of a child with diabetes. And the woman, because she was so young, it's almost hard for me to call her a woman because I can I can I know about, you know who my daughter is, at 16 years old. She was young, she had dropped out of high school to raise her child. The kid gets diabetes. And she finds her way to me. And I explained to her how to Pre-Bolus in a way that I thought was crystal clear. And I was just like, I've done it, this girl understands we're gonna get off the phone. Now. There's this little pause, and she says, I'm sorry, I don't understand what you're saying. And I felt really defeated. I was like, I'm gonna have to get off the phone with her and she's not gonna have an answer. And then that made me feel terrible. So I just literally said to her Hold on a second. I'll think of another way to say it to you. And I just got quiet for a minute. And I was like, okay, okay. Okay, here it is. And I used to talk about, like, I used to tell people, like, imagine scales of justice, but there's little holes in either side of them, and you're pouring in insulin and carbs on either side, but they keep draining out the bottom. So you have to put in a little more carbs, a little more insulin to keep the scales balanced. And it was the way I used to think about it. But when I said it to her, she was just like, I don't know what you're talking about. So I said, Imagine a tug of war. And I started talking. And now, you know, when there's been times where Jenny's like, that's like the greatest way to explain it to anybody I've ever heard in my life. And she's like, I do it. Personally, that really touches me because Jenny is incredibly good at talking to people about their diabetes was much better at it than I am, I think. But, but I just it resonates. It's very cool to hear you say all the way across the world that that it was valuable for you to I'm really glad about that. In the end, I just figured you've got to distill these ideas down So far that they're unmistakable when people hear them. Yeah, you know, because it's not an academic endeavor your life with diabetes, it's happening to you, you know, you need to be able to like, how do I Pre-Bolus this? How do I take care of this on the move while you're raising your children, and, you know, just

Lachlan 55:17
not a mathematical equation you get from some of those books that just like,

Scott Benner 55:21
right, it works when it works.

Lachlan 55:24
But it's not. That's not life.

Scott Benner 55:26
It's not the way you do that. That's very cool. So you've been at this now, the better part of a couple years, you're a one season to five, what kind of pump? Are you getting? Or got?

Lachlan 55:39
I got t slim. No. omnipods in a in Australia. So that was the next best best option. And yet, john? Good. Yeah.

Scott Benner 55:52
That's excellent. It's a good it's a really good pop. Are you going to use um, do they? Are they offering you the algorithms?

Lachlan 56:03
Yeah. So I've because we're, we're still on a j five here in Australia. I think the J six is due for August. I think I read somewhere recently. So obviously, we can't do the algorithm stuff until we get that but I was thinking I probably would give it a go. But, you know, I'm doing alright, without it. So you

Scott Benner 56:27
certainly are,

Lachlan 56:29
will say Oh, yeah, you

Scott Benner 56:30
really, really are actually. So you mentioned this earlier. Do you have a fear that your kids are going to get diabetes?

Lachlan 56:40
Yeah, yeah, I suppose. Yeah. It's it's an end. You shouldn't you shouldn't because it's, it's not the end of the world. No, it's not the worst thing they could have. It's it's manageable, obviously. So but but just having, you know, like I said before, I pricked my four year olds finger tonight and you know, he doesn't see his blood too often. And you know, he'll some tears and tantrums because of that. So you know, having to do that regularly. You know, I don't know, I've heard heard parents and stuff come on your podcast before and I don't envy the situation is a lot easier managing yourself than I can imagine having to manage someone else.

Unknown Speaker 57:19
I think so

Scott Benner 57:19
too. I've I've laid over top of Arden's legs, so she can't get away and I can hold the lance in the meter. At the same time when she was little Mike stays still.

Lachlan 57:29
If it happens, I'm gonna have to find a whole whole different podcast or something that's gonna tell me how to manage a five year old

Scott Benner 57:38
hole, bury him up to his chest, he won't be able to. I mean, that's off top of my head. It's no tug of war analogy, but it's gonna work. I'm just telling you. I think the government will come take your children, by the way if you do that, but they'll be like, that's enough. You can't have them anymore. We saw what you did. No, I listen. The truth is, is that it? I mean, nobody in their right mind wants to poke a hole in their finger and make it bleed. And you know, but at some point, just like everything else it becomes. Yeah, I mean, you're never gonna love it. It's it. I don't think anyone ever picks up a lens and goes, I've been doing this for 20 years. Boom, I love it. They'll do it. They'll tolerate it. It doesn't bother them. But they're not. They're not in love with the idea. I don't think yeah. I have to say when I put this Dexcom on, it really didn't hurt. Like, I always had to take my daughter's, you know, description of it when I talked about it. But it was so funny. I used to do art. And I was like, why don't you do it? Like you can stick it on for me like fair's fair, like, you know what I mean? We'll go ahead. And she got real funny. She's like, what do I do next? I was like, What do you mean? What do you do? So like, you know what to do, just like it's different from this side. I was like, Okay, if we got already and I said, just, you know, give me a little pinch up, and, and push the button. And she's like, I can't push the button. I just pushed the button and started making me nervous. Because I was like, wait, why not? And she pushed it. I went, huh. I was, like, really fasting, like, to even call it a pinch would be excessive. And then there was a tingle, or I wouldn't call it a burn for a minute or two afterwards, just kind of like it's settled in and the skin got used to it and then I just didn't know is there anymore.

Lachlan 59:25
Yeah. And well, I get I get my wife to have to put my decks on because I put on the back of the hip and I can't really reach around and like I said, you know, I've always done my own jobs and taking care of myself completely. So, you know, letting somebody else put something like that on for me over the last six or nine months. You know, it's not that it doesn't hurt it's just I think it's just that anxiousness of waiting for somebody else to do it because it doesn't happen exactly when you push it or anything it's gonna happen. I think that I anxious thing more than anything else.

Scott Benner 59:55
I definitely see that with her and she's still like I talked about all the time, but like on the Pipe clicks as it's it's like ratcheting. It's making tension so that it can fight it fires a needle in and retracts and leaves the candle behind it happens probably, you know, in the beat of a butterfly wing or something like that. But as it's making that tension, it's like, click, click, and you can see her she's just like, tensing. By the time it's done. her shoulders are above her ears. I was like, can you relax? And she and we talked about all the times. I know, like Arden's gonna be 16 in a few weeks, she's been wearing it on the pod since she was four. Now that math I can do, okay, so if it's every three days, that's 10 a month, 120 a year 120 times? That's a lot of out of the box. And she's still, it's just like, it's clicking? And I'm like, I know, like it did three days ago. Does it hurt? She's like, not really. So it's interesting, you know, it's just, it's human nature, it's hard to, it's hard to avoid? Well, did we not talk about anything that you wanted to talk about? Because I'm not good at, you know, linear thought.

Lachlan 1:01:13
process, probably just the fact that, you know, for 20 odd years, or whatever I did, wasn't really taking great care of it. Just the fact that, and you don't talk about it a lot, is the fact you're talking about the long term. The Long long term issues with high blood sugars and things like that, but probably from what I've realized, and learned over the last couple of years is is some short term problems with high blood sugars is enough, because I've only just learned about it in last few years is the fact that, you know, then the mood swings, I think, having high blood sugars, and then low blood sugars, and then being high for for, you know, a period of time. Probably all grown up and, you know, even into my 20s, people probably thought I was grumpy or moody or angry at them at different times. You know, even people in my family have said it a different times, you know, learning about it, you know, the last couple of years that it could well, and it is now a lot to do with high blood sugars, because you just irritable and just don't want to be around people and things like that. And, you know, just if people understand that high blood sugars are good in the short term, not then obviously not good for the long term. But, you know, your personality can change when when you get high. Nowadays, I don't get above, I don't get above 10 I don't get above 180 it just doesn't happen very often. So I just feel a lot happier and, and easygoing and relaxed. And I don't feel like that. Right, grumpy, moody type person that a lot of people that I've grown up with,

Scott Benner 1:03:06
think of us

Lachlan 1:03:07
and think of Yeah, and I do, they've said things are, you know, like, he's just grumpy. Don't, you know, don't mess with him now or whatever like that. But no, it's,

Scott Benner 1:03:17
and you don't feel like that kind of a person. So obviously, I have to tell you that you just hit on a number of things. But one thing that I really identify with is that um, when I'm when I feel misunderstood, it I find it heartbreaking. Like Like, there's a person I am and if I'm, you know, if I care about you, and I'm interacting with you, and I'm not coming off the way I intend, I'm like, Oh, that's not how I feel like I can't believe they don't see how I feel. And I'm more in tune with that because of almost exactly what you just said, although I don't have diabetes, I turns out I was living for a long time with an incredibly low ferritin level. So we're learning more now but it's very possible that my body does not retain ferritin like other people's do, and as my blood as as that value drops in my blood. It's very similar to what you're talking about, like you can get irritated for no reason things seem worse. You know, you're you're more short tempered, tired, cloudy, that kind of stuff. And you know, once I figured it out, then I got it straight. There's my very first thought outside of my own health was oh my god, like all these people around me think that's how I am. Yeah, I just I was terrible feeling you know? It turns out you were the prick. But kids are mine. I just and so is it has it changed. like have you and your wife discussed it?

Lachlan 1:04:53
I have talked. Yeah, I have talked about it. And I don't know. I suppose she married me so she must have The best to me at some point anyway, so

Scott Benner 1:05:02
small island man, she was probably just like a decent guy. And I mean, what am I gonna do? not marrying that kangaroo that's for sure. Well, I think everybody's got it figured out. Now you're getting laid more because of the podcast and you're just have your wife jamming something into your hip.

Lachlan 1:05:25
Is this an off the dock special?

Scott Benner 1:05:27
Yeah, but I made a couple more minutes. And we'd have to cut out the references to your children because that would just be creepy. But no, I mean, I listen. And I do. It's funny. You say I don't talk about it much. I talk about it when I speak live to people. Yeah, I am. I tell them all the time there is a person you are, you know, at your core. And when your blood sugar's are swinging around or high all the time, you're not getting to be yourself. And that's unfair to you, you deserve to be yourself, you have to figure out how to be you. And that's made even more difficult. by the sheer fact that those things are happening, you're low, then you're high, then you swing high, and you feel cloudy. And while that's happening to you, day after day, week after week, you're telling me that with no input from a doctor, nothing, even the stuff that's written down feels too academic. While that's happening to you, you're supposed to figure out how to stop it. But it's senseless, like how are you going to do that? Yeah, that'd be like if I put you out in the desert without any water. And you started hallucinating. If I said to you, you know, if you drink water, you'll stop hallucinating. Go take care of that. Well, I'm in the desert. How am I gonna handle that? Exactly. There's no water here. And I'm already hallucinating. Oh, it's up to you fix it. You know? I'm really happy to hear that. That's That's wonderful. It seriously is. I'm keeping you up very late. And don't you have to get up tomorrow. And I'm sorry, teach children through

Lachlan 1:06:54
that first day back in the classroom. Tomorrow, the kids are back where we're at a lockdown. Australia doing real good. So on it's two months, two months of remote teaching, and the kids are back to the end of the term. So

Scott Benner 1:07:08
you're going you're going into school tomorrow?

Lachlan 1:07:11
Yes. I'm only working part time this year. Just to be a stay at home dad for a couple of days a week and yes, I'm starting on a Wednesday.

Scott Benner 1:07:21
Well, congratulations. That's That's great to hear. It's exciting because there's part of me who listens to all this and I'm like I'm never leaving my house again apparently. And you know, or I'm gonna be wearing this do you guys cover your face when you go in public?

Lachlan 1:07:35
in the inner city? A few a few do but now it's not that it's not that bad. I think 400 in the whole country. That active case isn't minute. Yeah, we've we've done pretty good.

Scott Benner 1:07:46
That's amazing. I think I heard recently that really threw me was that Italy says that they're pretty much been eradicated like it's almost like it burnt through the population and it just everyone

Lachlan 1:07:58
got it. Yeah,

Scott Benner 1:07:59
I hate I really do hate to say it like that. But it sounds like it sounds like the people who got it and lived lived and the ones who died died and it's over you know, which is a terrible way to think of it but it does sound like that's what happened. Yeah, I said been a very strange time

Lachlan 1:08:15
has been weird for certain

Scott Benner 1:08:17
well luckily your blood sugar's not bouncing all over the place anymore because locked in your house for two months. Been a pain in the ass probably would have got your shot. I'm thinking, you know, there's a lot of guns right now. Right? Well, yeah, that's funny. I used that as a metaphor that I didn't even mean shot necessarily. I just met your wife would be upset at you. I don't know what she would do in Australia hit you with a didgeridoo or something like that. Alright, man, this was really terrific. I appreciate you doing this very much.

Lachlan 1:08:48
Now our thanks for having me. Now. Of course.

Scott Benner 1:08:51
This episode was recorded in the middle of June 2020. It is being edited on December 7 2020 because we brought up COVID I wanted to give you some updated totals, googling the words Australia current COVID cases. I learned that total cases in Australia 27,009 72 total recovered 25 446 deaths 908. And because Italy came up I will do the same cases 1.7 4 million recovered 933,000 deaths 60,660. And Italy began to they were pretty flat in June. July stayed flat August it started to creep up September more into the 1000s of cases October began a jumping into two and a half 1000 by the end of October. It was at 25,000 they're currently back down to more around 21,000 but they were up in the 22 30,000 range there, maybe till mid November. I'll look at the same for Australia. Australia is interesting, very flat when I recorded. He wasn't off either about 20 cases when I recorded with him, but it began to jump at the beginning of July. They hit a peak in mid July, August of about 600. danced around around three 400 and then steadily came back down back into the double digits in September and remains there today. There are seven cases in Australia on December 7, so I just thought that could use some clarity. Because what we thought we knew about COVID in June, turned out maybe not to be right.

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