#1403 Grain Elevator
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Katie's daughter has type 1 and uses Omnipod 5
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Scott Benner 0:00
We are all together again friends for the next episode of The Juicebox Podcast.
Katie is a returning guest. She was initially in the episode called Meet the Flintstones. She's the mother of a child with type one diabetes. Today, we're going to talk a lot about Omnipod five, gonna talk about community and where she's been and what she's done. Please don't forget that nothing you hear on the Juicebox Podcast should be considered advice medical or otherwise, always consult a physician before making any changes to your health care plan or becoming bold with insulin. Are you an adult living with type one or the caregiver of someone who is and a US resident? If you are, I'd love it if you would go to T 1d, exchange.org/juicebox, and take the survey. When you complete that survey, your answers are used to move type one diabetes research of all kinds. So if you'd like to help with type one research, but don't have time to go to a doctor or an investigation and you want to do something right there from your sofa, this is the way t 1d exchange.org/juicebox it should not take you more than about 10 minutes. Don't forget to save 40% off of your entire order at cozy earth.com All you have to do is use the offer code Juicebox at checkout. That's Juicebox at checkout to save 40% at cozy earth.com Today's episode of The Juicebox Podcast is sponsored by the Eversense 365 you can experience the ever since 365 CGM system for as low as $199 for a full year. Visit Eversense cgm.com/juicebox for more details and eligibility. Today's episode is sponsored by Medtronic diabetes, a company that's dressing hyperglycemia head on a topic that often gets overshadowed by the focus on hypoglycemia. Learn more at Medtronic diabetes.com/hyper
Katie 2:08
Hi. I am Katie. I have a daughter with type one diabetes, and I also have an older daughter. I was interviewed by you Scott, about two years ago, and during that interview, you had asked if I would come back and be interviewed about two years down the road, and here we are. Katie,
Scott Benner 2:26
this is fantastic. I'll tell you why in a minute. Not right now, first, I want to say you have an older daughter who doesn't have type one. How old is she? 1313? The t1 is 1111, when was she diagnosed? 2021? Oh, gosh, so for three years she was eight, yeah, around Correct. Okay, you've been married a long time.
Katie 2:51
Oh, we're to the point where we start doing the math, and we're at a wedding this last weekend. So I think we're at like, 17 years. Oh,
Scott Benner 2:58
you're the mid level aged people at the wedding now. Oh yeah, yep, yeah. You're not the old people, but you're not the young people anymore. Yeah,
Katie 3:06
we're definitely in that middle group, the older people, the baby boomers, all have their phones recording like the first dance. And we're like, we're not in that group, and then we had the young people and that we're all enjoying themselves, and we're not part of that group either. But yes, definitely in the middle
Scott Benner 3:21
group. You're like, I don't need to watch your dance again ever on my phone. So no to that. And I don't care how many tequila flutes I can get down. So no to that. And I don't want to be real old. It's a it's a depressing time, isn't it? At least when you're really old, you're just like, I made it, you know? I
Katie 3:38
don't know. I didn't mind just sitting there and observing. I'm totally okay with that.
Scott Benner 3:41
Yeah, that's nice. Actually, you just were happy to get away from your kids for
Katie 3:45
a day. Well, yeah, we did leave them back. So that was
Scott Benner 3:47
kind of nice. Will you do closet with a bowl of water? Or how do you handle that?
Katie 3:52
Pretty much a cell phone and food. How
Scott Benner 3:55
does your 11 year old do with the diabetes on their own? She's
Katie 3:58
good. She one of the things that has changed is, and since she was diagnosed, is she does her own, all her own Bolus thing and lunches and everything like that. During the school year, she takes on that full management. She does all for breakfast on her own. She does her lunches on her own. And that was something before our interview, I did a little bit of reflecting, and it's gotten she's gotten so good at it. Like, one day at school, somebody had bought donuts for a birthday that they had in the morning, and at like, two o'clock in the afternoon, I was helping a friend move, and I saw her numbers climb and like, oh my gosh, do we have a bad pump site? Did it she get bumped? And Jim, what's going on here? And finally, when I got to talk to her, she's like, well, I did eat a donut this morning. I'm like, Oh, it's a fat rise, you know. And so she has stopped texting me when treats are coming in the classroom, and she just kind of has taken control of bolusing for food, all of it when she's away from me. And she does a really good job at it too.
Scott Benner 4:57
She knew it was from the donut, but she. Doesn't understand the whole mechanism of it, right? Yeah,
Katie 5:02
she does. Oh, really cool. Well, she doesn't correct, like, she Noah's like, the fat she'll be like, Oh, we're gonna go eat Mexican tonight. Who is it? Your dad that's not sleeping tonight? So she understands that this comes, but she isn't the one dealing with it at this point, but I think at 11 years old, I don't think she needs to be dealing with it. She has plenty of years to take on that responsibility.
Scott Benner 5:27
No, I agree. Okay, so I said, this is really interesting. I'll tell you in a second, and now we're gonna go through this. So Katie, I'm gonna tell you and everybody listening that I record the podcast at least five times a week. And as a matter of fact, when someone hears this conversation, it will be at least six months old. It doesn't end up mattering, because we're not talking about like, you know, an election, or something topical, or something like that. So it really doesn't matter. Katie tells me her story, if it goes up on Thursday or it goes up a month from now or two months from now, it kind of doesn't matter. As a matter of fact, what matters most is that the interviews go up in the order that I make them in, because you can hear me grow and change through the podcast, right? You don't want to, like, you know, I try very hard not to get too out of order, so that you don't hear me say something that wildly is, you know, disconnected from what I said a week ago in your ears, you know, because of the fact that that's the way I work. I don't fundamentally, and I mean, in any way that is tangible, remember you. And I think that's going to be great. I know that most people will be like, Oh my God. He asked her to come back on. She went through all this whole thing, and now he's like, who are you? But I like that because I don't have any preconceived notions about the conversation we're about to have. So why do you think I asked you to come back? Because I really, really, sincerely do not ask a lot of people to come back
Katie 6:53
on. I think part of it was we were I talked to you when we were about nine months into our diagnosis. The interview started off with, like, if it wasn't water aspirin, I'm totally clueless to helping my kids with medical things, and I think you were probably more curious to see who you turned into,
Scott Benner 7:12
yeah, okay, well, that's excellent. So back then, in a couple of sentences, like, yeah, I wasn't comfortable beyond water and aspirin. That's fine. But around diabetes, where were you?
Katie 7:22
I think we were, and you take a swing stage and you might miss or you might hit it out of the park, just in that point of management where you have to just say, this takes time. And I think that was frustrating for me, because I like to be able to do things and do things well right away, you have to live life in all these different variables for so long before you it just becomes part of your life and not like now we're doing life with diabetes versus it's just life now at this point.
Scott Benner 7:55
So you are a perfectionist,
Katie 8:00
but yeah, in some things, but not all the things
Scott Benner 8:03
it bothered you around the diabetes,
Katie 8:06
yes, well, just because I listened, I did the equivalent of like a Netflix binge on your podcast within the first three months of being diagnosed. And I think you had, like, maybe 800 or 900 episodes up at the time, and I listened to you at double speed so I could get through it quicker. Okay,
Scott Benner 8:24
I hear people say that that freaks me out, because I already think I speak pretty quickly, but I understand the reasoning, and now we're going to hear from Medtronic champion Terry. How long have you had diabetes? June 2025
Terry 8:38
it'll be 50 years. I'm very much involved in the diabetic community in a lot of areas, and I helped start the walk here in Lincoln, Nebraska,
Scott Benner 8:47
when you were first diagnosed, what was management like? I started out
Terry 8:51
on beef, pork insulin, and I tell people jokingly that I used to smell like a bacon cheeseburger. Tell me about the impact of Medtronic technology. Finger stick is only a point in time, and that first 20 years for me was extremely difficult because I had high blood sugars all over the place. The CGM, to me, was the life saver.
Scott Benner 9:16
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Katie 9:29
every once in a while, when you get somebody from over in Europe, I do have to slow it down some, because it's their accent that catches me up a little bit. But okay, that was the first interview. Was a little bit weird for me, because I was like, Oh my gosh, it really was hard for me to do because you were talking so slow, because I was so used to you being like, double fast.
Scott Benner 9:49
So when we spoke, you're like, Why won't this guy speed up a little bit?
Katie 9:53
Yeah, like, everything just seemed like, this is going awful. It's so slow, but then I'm have different expectations. Conversations this go around, so it's good,
Scott Benner 10:01
excellent. So you have a diagnosis, you find the podcast briefly. How do you find it?
Katie 10:07
France suggested it within, I'd say, two weeks of diagnosis, and I was so tired, and I'm like, I don't do podcasts. And then one night, this is we were still finger pricking at two o'clock in the morning, and I wasn't sleeping, and like the light bulb went off, like somebody with diabetes suggested this. Why am I not utilizing that resource? And that's when I started listening, okay? And so it was just a local person that had suggested it to me. You're
Scott Benner 10:33
describing how my wife agreed to go out with me one day. She's like, Fine, okay, I guess so, nothing else is happening. So you find the podcast you did? You really binge eight, 900 episodes?
Katie 10:46
Yeah, I did. Thank you. And then I had my a friend that just would walk with me every day before school pickup, and she's like, talk to me anything if you want to talk nothing, diabetes, all diabetes, whatever. So sometimes she got a rehash of what I was listening to. And also my husband and I would just go for walks too, and that's where I'm like, This is what I learned today. And then I tell him these things, and he'd be like, well, I thought it was just about the carbs and the insulin, like our diabetes educator told us. And then I tell him these things, he'd see him happen. And he's like, Oh no, this is such good information. And so he got doesn't quite have the same time listen, and so he did select one side pass on to him. And otherwise I'd be like, This is what I learned about today. And just he has done an excellent job learning how to manage her to and so we are equally competent, but I'm the one making the changes, and but he's great at knowing, like, if something isn't going right, we usually list like it could be this, this, or that we don't have enough more insulin is kind of our management mindset.
Scott Benner 11:51
Well, can I tell you? I'll share with you that I missed the IDE now, because I put so much effort into this, to hear that it worked that well for you, and sort of in the way that I imagined it could, you know, is very gratifying, is really the only word. Like, I feel really happy for you. I feel more happy for your daughter, and I feel gratified personally, like, just from you sharing that. But that's not why I had you back on to tell you that, like, I didn't have you back on so you could say, like, nice stuff, I had a feeling about you back then, is what I'm gonna guess. And I'm gonna tell you right now. I didn't know, but as I'm listening to you now, I think you're a very clear storyteller. You're not wordy, you don't bounce around, you get your point across very clearly. And I must have thought at the time she's gonna do well, and she'll be a good reporter of how this worked out. So that's the vibe I'm getting right now from you. Tell me what episode you were in originally. Do you know? I
Katie 12:51
guess I don't know the episode number, but I think you labeled it meet the flint stones. Oh, is
Scott Benner 12:56
that what I called it? I love that title. It's fantastic. I don't even care. Why do you know? Why did it make any sense to you that that's what I called it? Yes.
Katie 13:05
Originally reached out to you was because we live in a rural state, and just we drive 90 miles for nearest care, and at that time, we had one PD after endocrinologist in our entire state. And so I was just, that's my initial reason why I reached out to you. Was just like, it's just a different dynamic of being so rural, but your podcast eliminates that barrier of getting good help, even though we're not in, like, a big city or next to great hospitals and
Scott Benner 13:36
stuff like that. It's not because you use a brontosaurus at work as a crane. That's not why. Exactly remember when Fred used to slide down the Brontosaurus neck at the end of the day, all happy to go home? Yes. Do you really remember that?
Katie 13:50
I do. I'm older. My kids watched. They called it the bam, bam show. So I did get the reference.
Scott Benner 13:57
I love the Flintstones. It basically was the honeymooners in a cartoon, right? I don't remember the honeymooners. Nobody remembers the honeymooners. Now that's alive still, but like that, that's people are like, I'm not gonna go watch the honeymooners. Scott. Never mind. Okay, so you get the diagnosis. Catch me up very quickly. At diagnosis, they give you what. They give you a pump. They give you what do you get right out the door. They
Katie 14:20
would have given us a CGM right away, but I was absolutely clueless as to what was going on, and I would have taken one if I would have known what it meant. But we went about one week with using glucose meter, had another appointment, got the CGM about a week in, and then we got the Omnipod about a month into our diagnosis,
Scott Benner 14:43
okay, all right, and a one sees in the first year about where at
Katie 14:49
diagnosis, we were 12.3 and her blood glucose was at 705 when I received the phone call, and then at my next three months. Appointment, we were at 5.4 and we're 5.1 and 5.2 and then we then transitioned into the Omnipod five, and our agencies have gone up a little from that. We've been anywhere from 5.5 to 5.8 once we switch to the OP
Scott Benner 15:20
five. Wow. What is your level of interaction now modern time, like you know today, how often are you interacting with diabetes?
Katie 15:29
Her insulin needs are so little. When we first went on Omnipod five, we were kind of at that minimum requirement needed, and I think that made it harder for the algorithm to cover the changes with the less insulin for it to work with. That makes sense. And so we started labeling our pods as the good, the weak and the strong. So if we had pump where we just ate out or did more things, our next one would be more strong, because we had such an increase of insulin to cover food, and we were honeymooning. And then other times, if she just had a few days where she didn't eat, and always on one pump, or kind of like, the next pump is weak. And so we started labeling the pot so when the pods were good, or just everything was kind of average, very minimal interaction. We still did corrections at night. Hormone rises that happened at night were like clockwork for her. When we were on the dash, we would have two hour time period at the evening where we would just have a set amount of units spread out over that time frame, and it just kept her smooth and level. And that is just something that we haven't been able to achieve with the Omnipod five, if we leave it in automated mode, but then at that time, at night, we just know what to put a pile of insulin on her and call it good. When
Scott Benner 16:48
you think of a CGM and all the good that it brings in your life, it's the first thing you think about. I love that I have to change it all the time. I love the warm up period every time I have to change it. I love that when I bump into a door frame. Sometimes it gets ripped off. I love that the adhesive kind of gets mushy. Sometimes when I sweat and falls off. No, these are not the things that you love about a CGM. Today's episode of The Juicebox Podcast is sponsored by the Eversense 365 the only CGM that you only have to put on once a year, and the only CGM that won't give you any of those problems. The Eversense 365 is the only one year CGM designed to minimize device frustration. It has exceptional accuracy for one year with almost no false alarms from compression lows while you're sleeping, you can manage your diabetes instead of your CGM with the Eversense 365 learn more and get started today at Eversense cgm.com/juicebox, one year, one CGM, you figured out how the pod works, and then you reapplied what you knew about diabetes to what you knew you were going to get from the
Katie 17:57
pod. Yes, because we had about nine months of being on the dash, and that was very in like our lines were smooth. It was great. But it also meant that at school, I would text her before a snack, like only bowls half your carbs, or if you're not going to eat your snack, cut back your basal or increase your basal. And so I bet I was texting her anywhere to three to four times a day when we were on the old dash pods in in manual mode all the time, and when we switched to Omnipod five and then she went to school, there'd be days where I wouldn't have to text her at school at all. She would just take her insulin for her snacks and her meals. And I mean, every once in a while we'd have a really strong pump where we'd be like, get some juice in you, and every once while, we'd have some weak pumps after every meal or snack. Could be like, You need to go and do a correction here. But for the most part, I hardly had the text her at school. And so that was a really big plus. It really freed up me to at the same time, not having to know that the pump will start taking away that basal when, when she starts coming down, really opened up my time for sure. Yeah,
Scott Benner 19:11
and if I'm overstating this, you'll stop me, please. But are you saying that the stuff that you learned from the podcast on a manual pump had as much, if not better, stability than automation does.
Katie 19:23
Yes, and it really, I really learned how to use insulin well by being forced into manual pumping for nine months, which I know people did way longer than we had to. Yeah, but I really understood the insulin super well. So when things weren't going so ideal, on the Omnipod five, I started doing my own things to make up the differences. For example, like she is growing when we started on the Omnipod five would be like point three an hour, and she was honeymooning. And obviously we're going to go out of the honeymoon phase. Is. And so I started doing something I called Morning math, because with the algorithm, I really don't know what her basal rate is, sure, because if you do a correction during the day, I'm like, part of that correction should have been in the basal. So you can't just look at a 24 hour period in my mind. But what I had started doing is we had typical food the night before. Like we didn't go up to eat every morning, I'd wake up not every morning, but I would wake up in the morning and do the math for midnight, till whenever I'm looking at this, seven o'clock in the morning, I take what it gave for basal and divided by the number of hours, and it just gave me an idea. And I could see like, you know what? Now, instead of point three an hour basal at night, it looks like we're averaging about point five. So then I would go into her manual settings and readjust her manual basal rate and her car ratios and stuff as and that was the only way on this automated system that I keep kind of keep up, because occasionally we do go in manual mode, and it's nice to have good settings and manual mode, even though we're in auto mode like most of the time, and that's kind of how I've managed that transition out of out of honeymoon and just increasing needs. And I mean, she's growing, her needs are always going to be changing. And that's kind of my way of, kind of keeping up with the algorithm and having just a clue of what it thinks she needs. That's awesome.
Scott Benner 21:19
You know, it feels like I drew something and then you built it, because the things that you're doing right now, the way that you decided, or the way your brain thinks about diabetes, is not the same as mine. It feels like you took an idea and you expanded on it, like in a way that I could not have. And it's just super interesting to listen to you talk about it.
Katie 21:40
Really another thing with the Omnipod five is it's, I call it the red light add on. And so we've we discovered pretty quickly that we'd wake up on a nice, consistent, like, about 110 ish mark, but with her insular needs that often bent, like you'd wake up and you click on that graph and see this huge red line. And part of the way we compensated for that was making her breakfast carb ratio stronger. But it just seemed like I was tired of getting the rise. I didn't like going into, like, the 100 and 60s after breakfast. So what I started doing was I would use the stronger car ratio for breakfast, and then I click on that graph, and if I if she's steady, and now I don't even click on the graph. She's been study hours before she gets up, we add in her basal rate into that Bolus too. So it's like, right now she's about a point eight per hour. If she's been steady, I'm just at a point eight to that breakfast Bolus, and it's we back fill our missing basal in my mind, and that way we have way more smooth breakfast experience, and we don't go as high, and we don't stay up there as long. So I felt like the red line add on. So anytime she studied before food, we always look like, how long has this been going? Okay? We'll add in half an hour worth of basal, or an hour basal into our Bolus with that food.
Scott Benner 22:58
I want to go over that again to make sure I understand if you think that the algorithm has been cutting basal away prior to a meal, you add half of it back in during the Bolus for the meal,
Katie 23:07
or all of it. If it's been, like, an hour, hour and a half, two hours, I'm like, for sure, I'm going to need a whole unit, because it we would just rock it after food. And it's like, because we have this full of basal insulin, it's just lacking and hasn't consistently been there. And when we're in manual mode, we always had a con. I always knew what basal was there to back it up.
Scott Benner 23:27
And did you get that idea out of me in the Pro Tip series, saying, if your basal should really be a unit an hour, but it's a half unit an hour, then every hour you're awake, you're deficient point five basal, so you're up for five hours in the morning. Then you decide to eat. You make a Bolus. That's three units for food. But the truth is, you're already maybe two and a half units deficient in basal, because your settings aren't right. Is that that conversation took you to that idea? Is that right? Yes.
Katie 23:58
And you experience it twice, and you're like, yep, there it is. Like, let's make a correction for that. What do you do for a living? Well, I work at a grain elevator part time. I manage a commercial property in our small town. I teach a cooking class at our small school that my kids go to, and I just, I do a variety of things.
Scott Benner 24:25
Do you go to college? Yes, for what Business Administration
Katie 24:28
with an emphasis in management, which is ridiculous, because I the thought of, like, managing people makes me want to, like, puke, and I'm a really good paper pusher, is what I like to
Scott Benner 24:40
say, Wait, do you have a really high IQ?
Katie 24:43
I don't think so. Don't you just
Scott Benner 24:45
really understand this? Well, I think it's
Katie 24:48
like a I love problem solving, and I think it's more of like a problem solving than a high IQ. If I have to say, I like problems,
Scott Benner 24:55
you have good focus. Though. Are you good at being focused on something you.
Katie 24:59
Yes, and and I go through phases of what I'm focused on. Like, it was photography for a while. Obviously it was diabetes management once we were diagnosed. And through, like, a bread phase, like, I learned how to make all sorts of different types of bread and how yeast works. And I love learning, I guess is the other part of
Scott Benner 25:17
it too. Yeah, because my brain doesn't work the way yours does. So, like, everything that I understand about diabetes is, like, it's stuff I learned by watching it. But I know people think I know that you could possibly listen to the podcast and think, Oh, he's so good at kind of, like, colloquially, like, simply, like, bare bones, saying what he's doing. But I want you all to know it's the only way I know how to talk to talk about it. I'm not dumbing it down for anybody. Like this is how it occurs to me, and I couldn't be as specific about it as you are. If you paid, yeah, like, like, I wouldn't know how to talk about it the way you talk about it. My brain won't work that way. It's super interesting. Interesting. Yeah, it is really cool. You're
Katie 26:00
the only source of information that I've had. So we had three hours of diabetes training the day after she was diagnosed, the next appointment we went to, I think we got like a half an hour of sick day training. And that is all the diabetes education that I have received from our health care system here. Otherwise, everything I've learned is from you. I think I read a book or two, but that's it's just boring reading.
Scott Benner 26:23
They say fundamental, but I find it boring, so
Katie 26:29
I will listen to audiobooks all day long. I love it, but yes, reading is not my ideal way of doing that. But even like you and Jenny, had an episode of determining your carb ratio that rule of 500 and that is the other tool that I really picked up from your podcast and helping make adjustments to what her insulin needs are as she does change otherwise. How do you begin to know where to start to change those settings in your pump? And so when we started on the Omnipod five I think we are like a one to 40 carb ratio. And I just did your little carb ratio math that you should shared with us, and now she's about one to 10 for carb ratios at this point.
Scott Benner 27:09
That's even Awesome. Can I? Can I make an admission right now? I would have to go look at that episode to understand that, like Jenny knows it off the top of her head, and I knew it was important to tell you guys, but if you pressed me right now for the 500 rule, I'd be like, I gotta go look at my podcast. I'm not sure
Katie 27:28
well, and I'm that way too. I just know it's there, okay? And then when I need it, I go back and find it. And so, like, every time I've done it, I've had to look it up, and so just to make sure I was doing it right. But that's where you take to get a ballpark of what carb ratio you want, you just take 500 divided by your total daily insulin. And so we just went on vacation, and I'm like, her part, she's been going high after every time we're eating. Let's make a change. And all I did for the week was go back and take her total daily insulin, write it out for seven days divided by seven. I'm like, here's my new average carb ratio, if we're going with this. And I changed it the day before we left on vacation, you know, and I didn't feel bad about it. And
Scott Benner 28:07
that makes me really happy, because I think the reason I worry about those three episodes the math behind because I did it, and still I don't know it by heart. But to hear that, you don't need to know it by heart, that you just refer back to it, that really is that's good for me to know, because I've actually already built calculators, online calculators to do that stuff. And I'm super, super nervous to put it online, because it's not exact, you know what I mean? Like, it gives you a these things give you a starting place. And I'm so worried about putting it online, I think I could probably, like, you know, put a bunch of language on top that says, like, look, this might not be right. It's for, you know, called entertainment purposes only, or something like that. I think you can kind of cover yourself that way, but you should see how well they work. Anybody
Katie 28:57
that's done diabetes management for more than a month will know, like, none of this is exact. If you think there should be a this, then here's the outcome. You're delusional. Like, it just be able to be like, this is a ballpark. Much too little. Let's move forward, change some things. And I don't want
Scott Benner 29:14
to be responsible for delusional people, though, so, but I but I swear to you, I look at I have the web pages. They're built, they're done. The calculators work, and I don't have the nerve to put them online. But maybe I'll get there one day, I don't know, because I think it's a really big deal. What you just described how you were able to just go back and look at total daily insulin and make bigger decisions just like that. You know, in a week, because people don't think about that, they don't think about, hey, I have an 11 year old. They're going to be 12, and when they're 12, they're going to weigh four more pounds than when they were 11. Or they're, you know, it's winter time now, so they don't move around as much, or it's summertime now, so they're running around more. No one thinks about that stuff. And I know that because that's what happened to me when my kid was growing up. Like I try to tell that story where. Or I've always ballparked insulin like I don't really count carbs. I look at food and think about insulin. And for anybody who doesn't understand that, I think you had to go back and listen somewhere. But I don't count carbs, and I never have so because I didn't Arden's insulin to carb ratio before automation was unimportant to me. And one day, we were in the the endos office, what is this? And she's going through Arden's PDM on her, on her Omnipod, and she goes, her insulin to carb ratio is one unit moves her. It covers 300 carbs. And I was like, Oh, that's not right. And she goes, but that's what the pump says. I was like, Oh, that was from, like, when she was like, four, and she goes, Well, how are you bolusing? I was like, Oh, you just look at the plate. You go, 123, half, that's five units. And she goes, that's how you do it. And I'm like, yeah, 100% I was like, that not how you do it. And she goes, No, I count the carbs. And I let the thing decide. I was like, well, not me. But the takeaway from that for me was that people settings can get away from them as things
Katie 31:08
change. Oh, definitely. And especially the summer, like, we would just start, we call it padding. We just be like, well, that's what it says. It just hasn't been enough. I'll add a unit to it, you know, like, and that's I have to take the time to pause and be like, I need to update these settings so that when my daughter does do the things, it's closer because she doesn't see all the things going on in my head. And so that's kind of how I know when it's time to make changes. And like, I've been adjusting all the things it says for me to do. I'm like, not enough, not enough, and not and I'm like, Well, it's time for me to actually make some changes inside the pump itself. We're going
Scott Benner 31:41
to pause on diabetes for half a second, because I need to understand what managing a grain silo means
Katie 31:47
a grain elevator. Elevator, excuse me, I don't manage it, but I go down the grain elevator that I work at is smaller. It's still farmer owned, and they are not located on a real line, and so their ability is, is they're going to remain small. And so the software system they have, I used to work at another local elevator that had three different locations, and we had amazing software, so you're counting and your green inventory were all handled within one software system. But that is not the cost of that is not feasible for the smaller one that I work at. So I reconcile their systems and say, like we have a discrepancy here. Let's make these two systems match. And so I help write contracts when grain is contracted, and I just kind of keep the guys in line. And then I go away for two weeks and I come back and say, what happened here? And I just make sure what happened is actually recorded, and I pay them on I do their payroll for them too, and that's kind of my role down there.
Scott Benner 32:48
We're going to do a very strange juxtaposition between your actual description of what you do and me letting everyone tell you that chat. GPT 4.0 says a grain elevator is a facility designed for the storage and handling of bulk grain. Grain elevators store large quantities of grain, such as wheat, corn, soybeans and other crops. The grains are kept in large bins or silos. The term elevator comes from the mechanism that lifts the grain from the ground level to the top of the storage bins or the silo. This is typically done using a vertical conveyor belt with buckets attached grain elevators receive grain from farmers and then store it until it can be shipped to markets. They can load and unload grain from trucks, trains and ships. That's all right, correct? Yep, no kidding. And those grains go out to like, as as other I mean, I guess it gets shipped to people use them as ingredients and other things, right? Yes.
Katie 33:43
And so for us, we ship to more local elevators that have contracts with bigger companies, like 80 MBQ, they loaded on trains, and those trains go to ports on east and west coast and get you know, some of it stays within United States, but otherwise it gets shipped off seeds
Scott Benner 34:00
so you work for a smaller farmer who doesn't have the ability to put that grain onto an a train, for example, and get it somewhere else. So they sell it to a another farmer who has that. Oh, wow. They're a subcontractor for a larger farmer with a better distribution situation. Yeah,
Katie 34:16
I don't work for a farmer. It's a cooperative, so it's a group of farmers that have the business. Oh, okay, and then there's a manager and there and workers and stuff. But yes, so we're kind of like the first go between, between, go betweens. That's
Scott Benner 34:32
kind of awesome. Do me a favor when we're done recording, because this is no one's business. I'm going to ask you, like, a completely personal question that has you have no reason to answer, but I'm literally going to ask you how much you make to do that. And if you don't want to tell me, you don't have to. But don't let me forget to ask you when the recording is over, because I'm fascinated by all this, so I want to, I want to understand, like the whole process. Tell me, please, if you would, about the process of binging a podcast with so many episodes so you. You said that you'd listen to an episode, there'd be takeaways, and then you'd share them, either on your your buddy, walk with your friend, or with your husband, if you thought he needed to know. But the way I make the podcast is purposeful, meaning. I don't think anybody just blurts out the thing you need to know. Like, you know what I mean? Like it, it's not tick tock. You don't get 30 seconds. And there's the idea, like, you have to have conversations. I think they have to be interesting. But am I right? Because you did it? Did you actually listen? Because you were like, all right, I'm getting good information out of this, but I'm bored by this person's story. Or were you entertained by it at the same time? Do you hate listen? Do you hate me, but you like the information? Like, can you tell me your experience?
Katie 35:44
I would say it's a mitt. As far as if it was, I hate to admit this, but if it was something more technical, I would jot it down on a piece of paper or more of like, the meat and potatoes of your like, half an hour podcast. They were shorter in the beginning. And I would just like, This is the main idea. And so just even rewriting for me the main idea. And then sometimes I'd be like, what's what's keep going. I need more information. But I think part of the reason why I could remember it because it wasn't the meat and potatoes, like the good information constantly, but built into other things that gives your mind more space to be able to tuck that information away, because it is an overload, okay? And then I the interviews. Of course, I started out with, like the pro tips and just gaining and defining, getting the right words for what was going on. I left listen to those, but then I saw the value very quickly. And just listening to people, even if you interviewed them, and only 10 minutes of the hour was actually about diabetes, it just helped you realize, like, this isn't my entire life, which it kind of felt like that when you're binge listening to something Sure, sure, but the nuggets of information that people share, and I think it's just Arden sharing when she had that low, when you guys were away, and like, You guys are great at managing diabetes, and it's just a really good reality, a check of like, even if we think we're doing well, just know that things can go wrong. And just to keep that in the back of your mind, and not like, in a doom and gloom way, but just in a reality way. And there was somebody else that was, it was a mother and daughter that you had interviewed, which was really interesting to me. And the daughter had a severe though too, and it was just because her mom was involved in it sounded like she had good management. And it's just good to hear all these different scenarios of people continuing on, but yet knowing like, don't completely disregard the things that can go wrong. I don't know if that makes sense. No,
Scott Benner 37:45
it does. And actually really valuable for you to say I can't believe of all the things you picked out, because generally speaking, I'm a public person, but a limited public person. Do you know what I mean? Like, the way I could explain it to you is that if we went to a diabetes conference right now, I'd be George Clooney, and if I walked outside, no one would know who I was. And so I'm I'm limitedly public, and there are people who don't like me, which I don't think would you know, come to any surprise to anybody, and the thing that they've more recently been attacking me on, I mean, they tell it as a lie, but they say you shouldn't listen to that podcast, because his daughter has seizures all the time, which is which is not true. Yep, she's had one as a baby, and she's had one as a as a high schooler, Arden's had three seizures since she's had diabetes. She's also had diabetes since she was two, and she's 20 now, so in 18 years, the first one was in the first couple months, we didn't know what we were doing. She, you know, we gave her the insulin that the doctor told us to give her. She took a nap. She was two years old, and she had a seizure while she was sleeping. You know, we stopped it with glucose gel, and that was that she had another one. When we went to we took the kids to Disney. I've told this story already, but it's the end of the night a long day out in the heat, walking around, we intersected a popsicle salesman on the way back to the hotel. The kids wanted a popsicle, and I know now that that thing was like simple sugar and, you know, like she'd walked around all day, she probably needed five of those popsicles, but I gave her the insulin for the popsicle, and we went home later down we heard, you know, we knew what it sounded like at that point. It happened. We got her out of it in like two seconds with some glucose gel. The next one, of course, is, you know, some 15 years later, almost. And you know, this happens to her after her her prom, and she comes on and shares it, and in my heart, when she shares it, I think that's good, because people should know that this they should know exactly what you just said, like your takeaway from her telling that story is exactly what I was hoping someone would take from it. By us sharing it, it's not a fun thing to tell people. Yeah, and it's not, you know what I mean, like, it's not super exciting to get on a podcast and tell a story about how something went wrong for you, but it's where people learn. And you sharing that with me just now really helped me feel better about it, because I was so sure that was the right thing to share. And then, you know, you jump online and there's five or six keyboard heroes out there, you know, making up big lies about, like, literally, like, literally using the words his daughter has seizures all of the time. You shouldn't listen to that podcast, and that's just them trying to keep members or listeners in their thing. I think they realize that if somebody makes it to this podcast, they're not getting back to their thing. You know what I mean, does that make sense? Yeah, yeah. It's nice you to share, because I it's one of the things that I I'm not sure about. Actually, you bringing up a lot of things today that I struggle with, like, privately that I'm like, oh, Katie says that was a good thing to do, and she's doing really well, so I probably should stop worrying about
Katie 40:56
that well. And I find people's lives fascinating, like the experiences that some people are just so hard for me to fathom. Some of them are so sad that they lack, like a stable home. But I just, I do find it all very interesting. Me
Scott Benner 41:12
too. Yeah, that's really cool. I appreciate that because so I have a bigger idea around the podcast. And I know I've been, you know, people will hear and like Scott's like, you know, letting chat, GPT answer questions and stuff like that. But I believe in how good these large language some of these large language models, are at absorbing information and then regurgitating it in more succinct ways. And so it's kind of my long term goal to feed every ounce of the podcast into an AI model and keep asking it the questions like, you know, today is a conversation, you know, if you know, I don't know, it's say it's an after dark and it's the one where the girls talking about, like being diagnosed while she was on a heroin Benner. So if you tell the large language model, if you tell chat, GPT read this transcript, at first glance, it's gonna sound like a story about a parent addict, but I need you to go through it and pick out any key takeaways about diabetes management. It will actually be able to do that the way you did it while you were walking and listening and so kind of my The last thing I'd like to do before I get out of this space, which I'm not saying I'm doing that now, but before I do that, I would like very much to put all of those things together, like bind them all together. I think
Katie 42:32
that's really valuable. I've told other people about the podcast. We have a couple different scenarios that have come up from my daughter's diagnosis. My husband's area leader was diabetic, and we knew he was diabetic before my daughter's diagnosis, and when he found out that she was type one, he called us and he was just finger pricking and using insulin pens, and told us it made him a better person for all these different reasons. We got the technology, and we told him, like, why don't you have Dexcom or an Omnipod? He's like, I don't want things attached to me. And just through re one Cs that we've been able to achieve. It was like, nine months later, he was like, What are you guys doing? And he got Dexcom because of us, and then once he had seen what the Dexcom did, the first time, he had to wait two hours, he's like, I can't believe that I used to fingerprint. Like it's driving me nuts not to have information for two hours. And so that was, like, a big change for him. But like we told him at the beginning, like we don't understand, but at that point, we don't push it any farther, and then we're under the same insurance too, because the same employer, and we had wrote an insurance letter, and we're self funded insurance, and so he also wrote a letter to get Omnipod five covered under our insurance before the formulary was due. And he was like, Why you after this pump? And then when I explained it, then he decided to try that. And so, like, it's neat to see, not that I'd want other people to have diabetes, but because of your podcast, what we've listened to, what choices we have, like, it's starting to like, flow out to other people too. And he texted us, I'd say, within the last year, and said he had his best a 1c ever in his whole life, because of changing to this different technology that is out there. You became
Scott Benner 44:22
like a thought leader for him, like he looked at you and he was like, wow, they know something I don't know. Like,
Katie 44:29
he texts us, like, what's going he sends us graphs, what's going on with this. And my husband's like, Katie, like he reaches out to us and like, ideally, I would love for him to start listening to your podcast, but I don't know that he has the same amount of time that I do, but it gets fed out that way. And then I also had an acquaintance in our town, like reach out to me, and it was through a voicemail, and she had said, just wondering, how do you calculate carbs and recipes? Because I make a lot of food from scratch, and you. Then she kind of left this long voice mail, and at the very end of it, she told me that her son was diagnosed with type one in the last two days. For her, they have like six different kids, and I'm like, we're just a family of four, and it was overwhelming to us. And so I just called her back and gave her the information that she was looking for, and I said, don't ever hesitate to ask me any questions. But I purposely waited for about two or three weeks after the diagnosis to even bring up your podcast, because I think one of the reasons why first didn't listen to you was just because I was so overwhelmed by everything else. Sure, she has started listening to but at the same time, when you have that many kids you don't have as many times to have your earbuds in to be able to listen to you. I
Scott Benner 45:46
thought you were gonna say she's having sex, because there's a lot of kids
Katie 45:50
that too. It's a whole village, but just her reaching out to me, and then she'd call me, and we're very similar personalities and proud. Husband actually said, I don't know if you two should like talk to each other, because you might make her obsessive about the diabetes management, and
Scott Benner 46:07
if it leads to good, stable blood sugars, then that's okay to put some effort into it, you know, yes,
Katie 46:12
and but just to be able to come along them and not dump it on her all the time. And she would call me like, this is going on? Why? And I would say, well, sometimes if they're doing a physical activity, it'll like sports. And I kind of like, this is what I've heard in for our Emma, this is what happens. But know that other people have a different reaction than just us. And so I think, like, the value of your podcast is, not only am I able to share this is what works for our experience, but I've also heard all these other people say these things. So keep an eye open. It might be a B or C, and use that information going forward.
Scott Benner 46:49
Excellent. I have to tell you, it's, it's just gratifying to hear you talk about it because, you know, I kind of alluded to it earlier, but it, you know, if you're listening, you don't realize, right? Like, though this pops up once a day, and there's, like, some content there, and sometimes I listen and sometimes I don't. Some people dig right into pro tip stuff and never come back. Some people become fans, like the whole thing. But the bigger point is that I am so busy making the podcast, I don't know what it is, and I know that's a weird disconnect for people, but like, it does everything Katie's explaining for her. And maybe it wouldn't work for you. Maybe it does, like, you know, maybe people get to it at the wrong time in their life, or they come back to it, or you don't jive with me, or whatever. Like, there's a million different ways you might intersect the the content, right? But I'm so busy making it and thinking about out in the future and building on what happened yesterday. That I'm not lying to you, it is Thursday I have had. You're the fourth conversation I've had this week. I've had three really wonderful conversations this week. And if you offered me money right now, I couldn't tell you what they were about. Oh, it's all moving too quickly. And like when I put this down. When you and I get done recording, I'm gonna do some back room stuff to make sure that it's saved, and it gets off to the editor and everything. And then I'm gonna go have an egg and come right back up here and work for the next seven hours, like, doing websites, and I have to re record new ads, and, you know, I'm trying to set up a speaking engagement. And like, you know, like, there's so much stuff happening, like, right? I found myself while I was talking to you, thinking if someone just gave me $50,000 a year, I'd go hire somebody to do that thing that I just said about the podcast. I would literally tell I would get someone, and I'd say, look, it's your job to feed this podcast into this AI model, get back key takeaways, write them, you know, in ways that are very like bullet pointy and understandable for people, and turn this into a book, and we'll sell it online, digitally and like, we don't need to bound it or anything like that. And then I would like that information back again, and then I'd like to read it back into the podcast right. To give you, like, what would end up being is, like, the Ultimate Pro Tip series from the Juicebox Podcast. Like, here are all the key takeaways from 1000s of episodes. They just sit down and hear them. You can decide to listen in 15 minute chunks or 30 minute chunks, or maybe we could break it up into like, you know, tick tock type stuff like that. All would be really helpful, except I'm just me and I don't have a budget, but I know that would all help. And anyway, I'm busy doing all of that. I can sometimes lose sight of what I'm doing. I don't do it poorly because of that, because I'm I don't know how to explain this. I know exactly what the podcast is, and I am willfully and meaningfully building on it. I guess I can't know how it's intersecting with other people until I get feedback like yours. And so I just, I put it out there with this intention and hopefulness, but then I don't get feedback. So I don't know my the only feedback I get are numbers. Did people listen today? Did they listen through the episode? Like you know, did we grow? Are people coming into the Facebook group? Because if those things are happening, then the podcast must be working. Does that make sense?
Katie 50:07
And I'm astonished by the number of people in your Facebook group that don't listen. But
Scott Benner 50:11
let's not call it Astonish, because if you were me, you'd be something different. You'd be irritated, because that's what I am. Okay?
Katie 50:17
I can, I can be irritated with you too. Thank you. They're missing out on a valuable resource, and they're just choosing not to utilize something that's there. That would be the irritating part to
Scott Benner 50:27
me. Well, so for me, the irritating part is, Listen, this is the thing that used to happen to people, and you're immediately, you go back into the 80s, you know, or go back farther than that, you get diabetes. Your doctor is half looking at you like, oh, sorry buddy, tough call. You know what I mean? Like, it's not going to be, not going to be what you thought this life. And if you drop dead when you were 50 of a heart attack, then they'd be like, yeah, diabetes, you know, if they would tell you things like, you know, you still hear in the ether like, Oh, if it goes up to 300 but it comes back down, that's okay. No, it's not, you know, like, can people live their lives like that? And, I mean, you done all these series to try to pick through why? Like, the Grand Rounds having doctors come on and talk about how they talk to people, the cold wind stuff, so you get back room understandings of how people happen, so that you can hear like, how does it get to this point? Like, how come healthcare works this way? And I think we've laid it out pretty well that it's, it's a limitation of human beings, right? And time and money and all these different things. But in the end, what it means is you're going to get the like, well, here's the pump and here's the CGM, and if you figure it out, good on you. But we're not going to tell you a whole lot about this. What is the B is going to be like? It's faded complete. I got diabetes, and it's just not going to go as well for me as it goes for other people. And in that inside of that system, inside of that world, when all that happened was that cell phones got unlimited cell service. That's why you are all doing better with your diabetes, by the way, because I had a message, and I finally found a way to deliver it to people. And I know that sounds crazy, but cell phones used to be limited. You couldn't listen to a podcast on a cell phone. It would have made you poor Yes, and now you can. You can download and stream, and it doesn't cost you any more money than it already cost you to hold your phone. This cell phone is why people can get my podcast, and it's why they can do better with their diabetes, and why I was able to find a distribution channel for it, right? And so you make it all through that, the history of diabetes, the fact that I don't have diabetes, you know, that's a pretty big thing I had to overcome, like I had a message, and I know how to deliver it, and it works. But some people hear me and go, Why am I listening to a guy who doesn't have diabetes? Tell me about how to take care of my diabetes. And you know what fair, fair statement, it seems like, you know, on its face. So you get past that and you say, okay, they wanted a Facebook group. So you put a Facebook group together. It's not just a Facebook group. It's 51,000 active members, and it adds 150 new members, like every three days, it's an astonishing monument to helping people. And you get them there, and then they go, what's this podcast people are talking about? And you're like, Oh my God. Like, what do I gotta come to your house and whisper it into your ear, because it's like, kind of how it feels sometimes, you know, and and you say, like, please just listen to this. Just it's not all of it. You don't have to listen to 1200 I mean, if you do, thank you. I broke them up into into series. Here's a series just listen to. It's 20 goddamn episodes. You can't find 20 hours to save your life. That doesn't make sense to me. And then you start realizing, well, what I've started to realize is, is that I can't believe I'm gonna go all the way back to probably like 1850 but you can lead a horse to water, but you can't make a drink. And so, like, that's the end of my job. The end of my job is to go here. Here it is. I hope you try it, and then I'm done. I can't really do anything else, and that is frustrating, because you're right there. If I could just stick if I could just stick your face in the water, damn it. Katie, go drink it. Drink it. I think your a 1c would be in the high fives or low sixes. Yeah, you know.
Katie 54:07
So I was, I don't like reading, but I listen to a lot of books, and there is one book that I found super interesting, and I think it kind of covers what you were just talking about, too. It's called Four tendencies, and it lumps people into some very broad categories of upholders, questioners, obligers or rebels. And that book was so interesting to me, and when I read it, I'm like, This is why everybody has a different ability to cons, like grasp the concept of how the best manage your diabetes. I think it's just who you are as a person is just a big part of it too. Because I'm a person that I just make the best choices for myself, and I don't care what other people think. It's kind of my personality where other people will only do things if other people expected of them, where i i. It's super interesting. But it, I think it does boil down to, like, are you going to be a person that somebody has to dunk your head in the water? Are you going to go drink that water yourself?
Scott Benner 55:07
I'm not actually frustrated by it. Like, if you get to the if I get you to the information, and you're just like, you start listening like, I don't like his voice, or I don't like the way it speaks, or I don't want to listen to a whole story to get to one idea. Like, that's completely legitimate. You know what I mean? Like, I'm not telling you, although I have, like, some of my favorite reviews are like, I hate that guy, but that podcast really teaches me a lot. Like, I swear to God, that makes me feel happier than anything else. I'm like, oh my god, they hate me, and they're making it through it. That's how valuable the podcast is. Like, that actually seems like a triumph to me. I don't know if my brain's weird, but, like, that's one of the things I'm most proud of, but, but most proud of it, because not everybody can like everybody, not everybody's for everybody else. Even you don't have to dislike me. I just, it might, just might not be your cup of tea, but I know the information is there. I know how to diabetes. You know? I mean, like, I swear to you, I could come to someone's house today, watch them for two hours and fix their blood sugar like I just know I could. And I wish that people knew that that was possible, because I think that so many people think that, like, this is my lot in life, or I have the sugars, there's nothing I can do about it. Or, you know, oh well, you were diagnosed with this, you're not going to live as long as everybody else, or you won't get to be as healthy or as happy because you dumb, lucked into diabetes. And I just don't feel like that's actually true. So
Katie 56:32
do you feel like that is less now with the technology and devices that are becoming more prevalent for more people that are managing. Oh, of course. Oh,
Scott Benner 56:41
yeah, yeah. The more technology that comes, the easier it is for more people. But if you look back to 1970 and talk to some of these people who've had diabetes for 50 years, who are, like, super, super, like healthy and don't have any you know issues at all, if you listen to their stories, they were people who just back then when they didn't know what they were doing, they were heavy handed with their insulin. That was pretty much it is that they were not high all the time. That's the end of it. Their blood sugars weren't high all of them, they didn't know what they were doing. They were shooting once in the morning and maybe once at dinner, you know. And that's it. But they were aggressive about it, and now they don't have complications 50 years later. And not because being aggressive keeps complications away, but because using the right amount of insulin keeps your complications away. That's my takeaway from talking to the older heads about diabetes, is that they were just the ones that ended up doing well, were just kind of aggressive about it. So it would just be so lovely if everybody could have your experience with with what I made. Because I think everybody would be doing terrific if they, if their brain picked it up the way yours does. I want to thank you for listening and and doing the thing it makes me a lady had a baby the other day. Did she name it? Scott, no, she didn't, which I was very disappointed about, and took the time to explain to her, but she put up a post in the Facebook group, and she's like, look, this is my second kid. I'm paraphrasing, basically, she said, I, look, I took what I learned in that podcast, and I held an A, 1c, in the fours and the low fives during my pregnancy. And here's my incredibly healthy baby, you know. And I saw that it was so a baby was adorable. I was very happy for her. She made a family and everything. And then I took five seconds and very quietly in my own head, said to myself, like I did that, like I made, I helped make that baby healthy, you know, like that really is. That's very cool. Like to think about your daughter rolling around, you know, understanding her stuff already at 11 years old, having good outcomes. She has a real opportunity to live a long, healthy life and and if, if you I'm not taking, I genuinely don't want to sound pompous, because I don't feel that way about it, but it's just undeniable, like, like, I did that, and we could keep doing it, and we could do it for more people. That's the way I think about it, not like, Oh, I get the credit, and I get to run around going, Look what I did. Like, I don't do that. And I don't feel that way. What I feel like is, there's another healthy kid, there's another happy family. There's two parents that might not get divorced, you know what I mean, because they're arguing about diabetes all the time. There's a little girl who might go to college and not give up on herself for four years and just hope she doesn't drop dead, you know what I mean, and hopefully she'll pick it back up when she's 28 and start taking care of herself again, like there's another person who recognizes their hypothyroid symptoms and doesn't back down when the doctor says, Oh, you're able. Your TSH is only five. We're not going to medicate that. Like, like, that kind of stuff. Like, all the people who have come to me and said that by sharing my low iron stories, they've got their iron back up, and their lives have changed. That stuff is all gratifying, is a nice word, and it. Keeps me working, like it helps me get up every day and do the thing. And you know, on the days when it can feel long, or when there's some assho online saying about my kid, that's not true, like it helps you get through all that. But my my driving force is like, I want to find another person who makes another healthy baby, or another kid, or another adult who's had diabetes for 40 I just got a lovely note from a woman in her 60s who's like, I've had diabetes my whole life. I've been listening to this podcast for six months. I have the best day one season I've ever had in my life. That's my goal every day. And anyway, listening to you makes me feel very comfortable that I'm moving in a good direction, if that makes sense well, and
Katie 1:00:41
it's not just the ability to understand the insulin and make changes and run the numbers, but also, like the emotional side of that is also fed. And the community aspect of that too, I think is really important just to I mean, in our community now, I think I know two other people type one diabetes, but it is just nice not to feel like you're on your loan Island as you're navigating changes and everything like that and having resources available. There's a couple people that I had listened to on podcast that I like personally seek doubt afterwards, and one of them was like, somebody really seemed to understand the Omnipod five. And some like tell me he seemed like he knew how the algorithm worked. And so I picked his brain and learned of another resource there that was excellent. And then there was another interview that you did of a guy out in Montana, and his main thing was, you might remember this episode. It was about the house that it's never, I'm going to say it wrong.
Scott Benner 1:01:45
It's never, it's never. Sarcoidosis,
Katie 1:01:47
yes. Okay. And his episode, he had said like he had started a nonprofit, like it was such a small part of his interview, which was just such an interesting interview there, but he said he had a nonprofit in Montana, and my daughter and I got in the one with type one got invited to go backpacking out in Montana. And I'm like, yeah, we can do this, but it he was just such an amazing resource. I ended up contacting his nonprofit, and you helped me, like, tell me about your mountain experiences, and what do we do we do with our low snacks at night? Because it is bear country, and would you trust any sugar in your tent? What would you do? And like this, that community of going out and doing another adventure, and I'm sure I could come up with everything that he suggested, if I spent enough time thinking through it, but it was just nice to like I reach out to a resource. He knows what he's doing. I don't have to put any more mind space towards that and just go with what he tells me, Wow,
Scott Benner 1:02:45
that direction. You got that from the podcast too. That's crazy.
Katie 1:02:48
Yeah, yes, yeah. And it was amazing. She backpacked, and I went with a friend who lived in the same town as us and moved away about six months after her diagnosis, and she invited us to go along with her and her son. And I don't think she realized what it meant to ask along my diabetic child and tell us, like, Okay, so we're going to hang the bear bag, but you're the one at night if we go low, because we had all this extra activity hiking up the mountain. Like I'm not sure how this is going to play out. So just know if I come to your tent in the middle of the night, we need to go get this. And everything was great. She had wonderful numbers, and we were able to set up a plan that it was so enjoyable. It was an amazing experience. But she at one point like, well, we don't have to backpack up into the mountains. We can just stay at a campground, if you think that would be better, and then there's less variables. I'm like, No, we're going to backpack. This is something we're completely capable of. I just need to plan more, carry more, and it'll be fine. And it was lovely. Fewer
Scott Benner 1:03:47
variables, let's say because, I mean, I don't want to get low, but I also don't want a bear to eat me. That'll probably be worse. Yeah, you know, it's funny. I don't, I don't not feel the community side of it, but it was the part of, you know, when you make something and then you learn a thing by mistake. Like, I knew it was important. I knew the connection part was important. I didn't realize how important. And I'll say all the time that it's the people who listen to the podcast who are like, Hey, you should make a private Facebook group where we could talk about the podcast. And I've said before, I'll be happy to reiterate, when that was suggested to me, I was like, Oh God, I don't want to do that. Like, I don't, I don't, I don't want to be in charge of a Facebook group that sounds bad to me. And in the end, it's become, like, it's become one of the most enriching parts of my life like to watch all these people continue to come together and watch it grow and grow and grow it just it non stop, grows. And then these people go in there, like you and others who've listened to the podcast and understand things, and they answer each other's questions. I know it seems obvious people like, Yes, I understand what a Facebook group is. It's the way it. Happens, and how little drama there is, and how overall kind people are. All I see when I see them talking to each other and helping each other is, oh, they found people I wasn't going to be able to get to. I don't have I can't my group does 125 new posts every day. Like, I can't keep up with that, you know. So like, now you guys are all out there, sort of like emissaries, like taking care of it for me and helping each other, which brings in more people. And it builds and builds and builds, really, it's the whole thing's lovely. It really is. So okay, all right. Well, Katie, if there's nothing else, I'm gonna let you go, because you mentioned earlier that some of my podcasts have gotten longer, and it's been in my head now to get out of this early because of that, you screwed yourself out of a longer interview, is what I'm saying. Yeah, me too. This is really wonderful. I swear to God, you should come back on five years from now, but not not a year like, not five years like, when you're like your kids, like heading off to college time. Keep me in mind around that. Okay, okay, all right, if I'm still interesting, if I'm still you're like, Oh God, I don't want to go to college. Not yet. I'm not ready for that. Yeah, I'll try. I'll do my best to keep it going for like, five or six more years. And you get that kid off to college and then come back and and tell me what else you figured out you're really good at this. I know you. I don't feel like you know that, but you really are. So thank you. Oh, thank you. Do you know? Know what that you're good at, what you're doing, like explaining it and being really thoughtful about it? I
Katie 1:06:28
hope that I can. Katie,
Scott Benner 1:06:31
do you know? I
Katie 1:06:32
want to help other people, you know, and if you can't understand it well enough to explain it to other people, I hope so. I hope it's helpful and not confusing or
Scott Benner 1:06:42
overwhelming. I guess I'm not gonna get you to say anything nice about yourself. Okay, all right, hold on one second for me. Thank you so much.
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