#1004 Diabetes Pro Tip: Temp Basal

September 20, 2023Scott Benner

In this episode of Diabetes Pro Tip, host and diabetes educator Jenny Smith discusses the topic of manipulating basal insulin with her guest, Jennifer Smith. They cover the importance of understanding basal rates and how they can be adjusted to better manage diabetes.

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Scott Benner 0:03
Hello friends, and welcome to the diabetes Pro Tip series from the Juicebox Podcast. These episodes have been remastered for better sound quality by Rob at wrong way recording. When you need it done right you choose wrong way, wrong way recording.com initially imagined by me as a 10 part series, the diabetes Pro Tip series has grown to 26 episodes. These episodes now exist in your audio player between Episode 1000 and episode 1025. They are also available online at diabetes pro tip.com, and juicebox podcast.com. This series features myself and Jennifer Smith. Jenny is a CD and a type one for over 35 years. This series was my attempt to bring together the management ideas found within the podcast in a way that would make it digestible and revisit double. It has been so incredibly popular that these 26 episodes are responsible for well over a half of a million downloads within the Juicebox Podcast. While you're listening please remember that nothing you hear on the Juicebox Podcast should be considered advice, medical or otherwise, always consult a physician before making any changes to your health care plan or becoming bold with insulin. This episode of The Juicebox Podcast is sponsored by assenza diabetes makers of the contour next gen blood glucose meter and they have an amazing offer for you. Right now at my link only contour next one.com forward slash juicebox free meter you can get an absolutely free contour next gen starter kit that's contour next.com forward slash juicebox free meter. while supplies last US residents only. The remastered diabetes Pro Tip series from the Juicebox Podcast is sponsored by touched by type one. See all of the good work they're doing for people living with type one diabetes at touched by type one.org. And on their Instagram and Facebook pages. This show is sponsored today by the glucagon that my daughter carries G voc hypo Penn Find out more at G voc glucagon.com. Forward slash juicebox. Temporary Basal rates do a number of different amazing things,

Jennifer Smith, CDE 2:30
lots and lots compared to what your doctor told you.

Scott Benner 2:33
Yes. And so here's how I always think about it about Basal rates in general, it is bizarre for us to think that we can set up a static Basal rate that will always work at 2pm for the rest of this week, or this month or our lives, right. It's just an odd statement. I don't have diabetes, my blood sugar varies based on what's happening in my body or what I eat. And I bet you even though I have no medical training whatsoever that my body is more aggressive with the amount of background insulin that I get the amount of force it pushes on my blood sugar at different times,

Jennifer Smith, CDE 3:08
because it's got natural compensation. Yes. And I think that that that piece about about Bezos is also really, really, really important for women. Right?

Scott Benner 3:17
Okay. Yes, because of their periods. Or, by the way now I've been told not to say, Lady time by people that I should say period, so that I went back to period to make that person happy. Then I got a beautiful note from somebody the other day, who said, I think Lady time is delightful. And I'm like, I can't win, but that's not the point. So the so so here's a couple of ideas. We get Chinese food coming into the house, right? Or pizza or something that's high carb that breaks down slowly in your system. Okay. My Pre-Bolus For Chinese food is this Temp Basal increase 95% for two hours, boom, I start right there. Then I get a healthy Pre-Bolus in you know, and I start the I went to a decline when when Arden starts eating her food. Chinese is a good example because it's not it's simple sugars and complex carbs at the same time, right. So the coating on the meat might have a lot of sugar in it like the sauces will hit you quickly. But that rice could sit in your system forever and take hours and hours and hours to break down and to go away. So I think of it as carpet bombing insulin. I went to I went to cover the entirety of the timeline that this food is going to have impact on Arden with an increased Basal insulin. It I would also use an increased Basal insulin. When Arden's hormones are affecting her. Yeah, we just got done doing that this week. There was a day and a half or Arden ran a Temp Basal increase of 80% for two days straight. Yep, get a straight. Yep. If your Basal is not right, your Bolus is aren't going to work. Right because you're just replay acing Basil with your Bolus. So even again, you count your carbs. 100%, right. But if your Basal insulin is set at, let's say a unit, but it should be at two units, then when you make a Bolus for a three unit snack, the first unit of it is only covering the basil you don't have. Plus, you haven't had enough basil leading up to that. So you're probably so insulin resistant and having a higher blood sugar to begin with. None of this works without basil. When people come to me and say, Oh, my God, look at my roller coaster. I'm 60. I'm 400. And the first thing I say is okay, let's get your basil is right. If your basil is aren't right, the rest of it doesn't work, right,

Jennifer Smith, CDE 5:39
and temporary bases that are not going to work either because they're working off of a setting. That's not That's not right to begin with. Yep.

Scott Benner 5:45
Inevitably, while I'm talking about bases with people, they say, Well, what about my insulin to carb ratio, and I went, That's not even worth thinking about until we have your basis, right. So now you can think about Basal insulin as Basal insulin used, you know, in the normal course of your day to keep your body function low when you don't have any food. And if you really start to think about them around food, that's when they become incredibly powerful. Yeah. And so there's also a time where, like I alluded to before, you can bump in nudge with basil, right? So not only can you create a hard basil that helps you with carb, heavy meals, but you can look at a blood sugar that's at, you haven't had insulin for hours, and then suddenly, it drops to 75. And it sits there for a little bit. And instead of feeding that 75, you can Temp Basal back. So Temp Basal is unlike the, you know, when I think about the tug of war with with Pre-Bolus Singh, Bezos, I think of this way. I imagine if you and I put our hands out, stood up and put our hands together our palm the palm, and we pushed equal amounts on each other. That's you don't fall back, I don't fall back. That's a perfect Basal rate. Right now there might be a situation where my my blood sugar is starting to fall. So I need the body function to push a little more. So I, I take a little power away from the Basal which allows me to push up. Same thing if I'm at a 90 that's going into a 95. And it's creeping up. But a Bolus is definitely even a tiny Bolus is going to make me a little later I might just do a Temp Basal increase to stop that kind of creeping. Yep. This all occurred to me when I interviewed someone about artificial pancreas and they told me that most of the adjustments that an artificial pancreas makes is through Basal insulin. Yes, not through Bolus

Jennifer Smith, CDE 7:41
100%. If you're doing anything within the looping community, the do it yourself insulin pumps, either open APS or looper, Android APS or whatever that is, that's the gist of the algorithm. It is most of most of the incremental adjustments based on the trend in glucose are being done by positive and negative what's called tamping you get a bit of a bump up, you get a bunch of a bump down, you had a bit of bump bump up, and it's all being based on your current Basal setting. Right? Right. But the incremental ups and downs are what keep you stable

Scott Benner 8:18
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Jennifer Smith, CDE 13:06
So i we i and i usually really, really focus in on all of the scenarios that are likely to come up where temporary Basil is really an important piece of management, that that bumping and nudging that you talk about, you know, unfortunately, most people are only taught about exercise and the benefit of temporary basil. And they're usually told, well just, you know, just set it for 0% or turn your basil off during that time. Well, that's 100% incorrect to begin with. But exercise is one of many reasons that you may want to change your Basal for a, you know, a duration of time, illness, a woman's menstrual cycle, or that woman's time of the month or whatever you're going to call it. That time you're going to definitely need temporary basil, you're going to need it for sedentary days, I can go to a conference where I'm literally sitting for eight hours. And while I might be walking between conference rooms, the sitting and sedentary I need a 25% increase in my basil. In order to not run high that whole day. I've figured that out right? I figured out what I need to do to take a five mile run versus a 12 mile run temporary basil changes. I figured out what to do for different kinds of illnesses stomach bug may require a decrease. An illness like a sinus infection or a bronchial infection may require an increase. Even even temporary basil around food like you mentioned before with the Chinese high fat food

Scott Benner 14:43
Yes

Jennifer Smith, CDE 14:44
100% requires knowledge of using temporary basil because I know we'll talk about extended boluses and things a little bit too but temporary basil for high fat man. Fat can affect you eight to 12 hours after you're done eating it and it keeps you high. And you may go to bed with an awesome looking blood sugar thinking that man, I nailed that I really got it. What do you get an alarm at two o'clock in the morning? Where are your 300? And you're like, what happen?

Scott Benner 15:11
And those are the examples, by the way, when you can't say to yourself, oh, well, that's just diabetes. It's not just diabetes, if you didn't use the insulin, right, and so every time you think diabetes is just this, this, you know, magic fairy that runs around messing with you, it's something happened, like, you might not know what it is in that moment. But something happened, and you can figure out what those somethings are and stop them. And there's a great example high fat, you might need a Temp Basal increase that goes on for hours and hours later, and maybe

Jennifer Smith, CDE 15:45
maybe fat 50%, at least 50% increase for at least six to eight hours after the meal. Right?

Scott Benner 15:52
Right. It's just it's, I know, it's a little mind numbing to think that, but that's a lot to think about. But I want to, I think now's a great place to say this. As much as we're breaking things down and really stretching them out. So you can see the tiniest little aspects of these ideas. For people who understand them, I will speak for myself. I do not think about diabetes that frequently during the day, this stuff just kind of happens. I know that sounds crazy. But I look at a plate and I go, Okay, here's what this needs. And if and if I miss I readjust. But But I don't spend a lot of time, of course aside of this podcast, but I don't we don't say the word diabetes in our house very frequently, I guess is what I'm saying. We're not always fighting and, and you know, scary lows, and oh my gosh, she's been high for three hours. Like that doesn't happen around here. And you can live that life too. By understanding how insulin works. 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If you're enjoying the remastered episodes of the diabetes Pro Tip series from the Juicebox Podcast you have touched by type one to thank touched by type one.org is a proud sponsor of the remastering of the diabetes Pro Tip series. Learn more about them at touched by type one.org A huge thank you to one of today's sponsors je Vogue glucagon, find out more about Chivo Capo pen at G Vogue glucagon.com forward slash juicebox you spell that GVOKEGL You see a ag o n.com forward slash toolbox. I hope you enjoyed this episode. Now listen, there's 26 episodes in this series. You might not know what each of them are. I'm going to tell you now. Episode 1000 is called newly diagnosed are starting over episode 1001. All about MDI 1002 all about insulin 1003 is called Pre-Bolus Episode 1004 Temp Basal 1005 Insulin pumping 1006 mastering a CGM 1007 Bumping nudge 1008 The perfect Bolus 1009 variables 1010 setting Basal insulin 1011 Exercise 1012 fat and protein 1013 Insulin injury and surgery 1014 glucagon and low Beegees in Episode 1015 Jenny and I talked about emergency room protocols in 1016 long term health 1017 Bumping nudge part two in Episode 1008 teen pregnancy 1019 explaining type one 1020 glycemic index and load 1000 21 postpartum 1022 weight loss 1023 Honeymoon 1024 female hormones and in Episode 1025, we talk about transitioning from MDI to pumping. Before I go, I'd like to share two reviews with you of the diabetes Pro Tip series, one from an adult, and one from a caregiver. I learned so much from the Pro Tip series when our son was diagnosed last summer. It really helped get me through those first few very tough weeks. It wasn't just your explanations of how it all works, which were way better than anything our diabetes educator told us. But something about the way you and Jenny presented everything, even the scary stuff. That reassured me that we could figure out how to deal with us and to teach our son how to deal with it too. Thank you for sharing your knowledge and experience with us. This podcast is a game changer 25 years as a type one diabetic, and only now in my learning some of the basics, Scott brings useful information and presents it in digestible ways. Learning the Pre-Bolus doesn't just mean Bolus before you eat but means timing your insulin so that is active as the carbs become active, took me already from a decent 6.5 A one C down to a 5.6. In the past eight months. I've never met Scott But after listening to hundreds of episodes and joining him in his Facebook group, I consider him a friend. listening to this podcast and applying it has been the best thing I have done for my health since diagnosis. I genuinely hope that the diabetes Pro Tip series is valuable for you and your family. If it is find me in the private Facebook group and say hello. If you're enjoying the Juicebox Podcast, please share it with a friend, a neighbor, your physician or someone else who you know that might also benefit from the podcast. Thank you so much for listening. I'll be back very soon with another episode of The Juicebox Podcast. Jenny Smith holds a bachelor's degree in Human Nutrition and biology from the University of Wisconsin. She is a registered and licensed dietitian, a certified diabetes educator and a certified trainer on most makes and models of insulin pumps and continuous glucose monitoring systems. 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