#1258 Weekly News 7/15/24

Weekly News 7/8/24

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Scott Benner 0:00
Hello friends and welcome to episode 1258 of the Juicebox Podcast

Welcome back, everybody. This is all the diabetes news that I found interesting for this week. I hope you enjoy it. Nothing you hear on the Juicebox Podcast should be considered advice, medical or otherwise, always consult a physician before making any changes to your health care plan. I was looking for a way that we could all get nice and tan and meet each other and spend some time talking about diabetes. How are we going to do that? On a juice cruise? Juice cruise 2025 departs Galveston, Texas on Monday, June 23 2025. It's a five night trip through the Western Caribbean visiting of course Galveston, Costa Maya and Cozumel. I'm going to be there. Eric is going to be there. And we're working on some other special guests. Now, why do we need to be there? Because during the days at sea, we're going to be holding conferences. You can get involved in these talks around type one diabetes, and there are going to be Q and A's plenty of time for everyone to get to talk, ask their questions and get their questions answered. So if you're looking for a nice adult or family vacation, you want to meet your favorite podcast host but you can't figure out where Jason Bateman lives. So you'll settle for me. If you want to talk about diabetes, or you know what, maybe you want to meet some people living with type one, or just get a tan with a bunch of cool people. You can do that on juice cruise 2025 spaces limited. Head now to juicebox podcast.com and click on that banner. You can find out all about the different cabins that are available to you. and register today. Links the shownotes links at juicebox podcast.com. I hope to see you on board. sup everybody, it's July 19 It's time for the weekly news. I wish we have weekly news music, like old 50s music was I beat ePdP names like hey, there's gonna be news now like something like that. Anyway. I got for you. That wasn't fun at all. Okay, let's start with some mouse news, shall we? They're helping mice with diabetes again and that great. This is kind of interesting. Let's see. What do I got here? Well, I want to go back to what I wrote. Oh, here it is. Now this is from news atlas.com. Scientists Oh, scientists have developed a new drug therapy this significantly boosts insulin producing beta cells offering potential for reversing diabetes. Here's some key points from the article. Keep in mind this is work they're doing on mice. This involves harming inhibiting the D yr k one a enzyme and beta cells end a GLP one receptor agonist like ozempic in diabetes in diabetic mice, it says human beta cells increased by 700% Within three months reversing diabetes symptoms. Let's see future research. Combine beta cell regenerating drugs with immune system modulators to prevent immune attacks on new beta cells interesting. Harmon alone has undergone phase one clinical trials with more trials planned. I'm going to find out more about that a section a section in a second. The procedure involves a combination of two drugs hormone which inhibits the enzyme dy RK one a in beta cells and the GLP. One hormone stimulates the proliferation of beta cells while the GLP one receptor enhances this effect and supports beta cell functioning studies with diabetic mice. This combination lead was 700% increase in human beta cells within three months. Wow, that's pretty great. It says here our mind has undergone a phase one clinical trial. Tell me more about that. Tell me more. Tell me more Tell me more. phase one trial assesses the safety and dosage of the drug in small groups healthy volunteers or patients. Trials involve close monitoring to observe any adverse events, effects, excuse me and to establish a safe dose to drain for harm I and Phase One trials likely focused on its safety profile to determining how well it is tolerated in humans, and identifying any potential side effects. how our mind works by inhibiting the dy RK one a enzyme and beta cells we know that. Okay, current status and next steps. After successful phase one trials the next steps would involve phase two and three of course, that's how counting works. These phases will test the drug efficacy in larger groups. patient's further valuing its safety and impairment well, so there's like two more rounds of safety. And then then you're looking for regulatory approval if these trials demonstrate that hormone is safe and effective, that drug could eventually be submitted for regulatory approval, and if approved, become available for clinical use, which is how that works. Anyway, I thought that was interesting that they're mixing one thing with the GLP. That was kind of cool. Two bits of news from Novo Nordisk one good one not so good. Let's start with not so good. Novo Nordisk is working to address FDA requests regarding the approval of their once weekly Basal insulin insulin I codec. The FDA has delayed approval pending further information on the manufacturing process and the type one diabetes indication. Novo Nordisk is actively working to meet these requirements, but does not expect to complete them within 2024. But here's the good news side. This is very interesting. Novo Nordisk recently received FDA approval for an additional indication of their drug we go V at the 2.4 milligrams semaglutide. The new approval allows we go V to be used to reduce the risk of major adverse cardio vascular events mace such as cardiovascular death, nonfatal heart attack, and non fatal stroke in adults and established cardiovascular disease and either obesity or overweight. So there you go, kids. There's another way to get your we go V. Break that. We go V story down. A little more need details. Let's see what our overlords say about that and show me

there was a trial randomized, double blind placebo controlled trial participants 17,604 adults aged 45 years and older with a BMI greater than 27. The duration of this trial was over five years across 41 countries. The objective was to demonstrate the superiority of semaglutide 2.4 milligrams versus placebo in reducing mace, which includes cardiovascular death, nonfatal heart attack and non fatal stroke results significantly reducing may supporting the use of weego V for cardiovascular risk reduction. Hey, well, it's nice. We go V indications for this mace thing now and of course for chronic weight management for adults with obesity BMI greater than 30 or overweight greater than 27, with at least one weight related comorbidity condition and for pediatric patients ages 12 or older with obesity. All right, then that's another way to get you some wheat go V. Hopefully you don't have any of those problems. I wouldn't wish them on you. But anyway, new news. You don't I mean stuff that's new in the world. Now you know about it. Last thing for today, there is a significant legal battle is unfolding against Pharmacy Benefits managers, which are colloquially known as P VMs. Over their business practices and pricing schemes that allege inflate that allegedly inflate drug costs and negatively impact patients and pharmacies. multiple lawsuits have been filed aiming to address these issues and seek restitution. Keep in mind, I just said to Chet GPT tell me about the PBM lawsuits says here class action lawsuit has been filed by ncpa member Matt Astron house against CVS Health Care mark, and Aetna. The suit challenges the legality of direct and indirect remuneration, fees and other practices under federal antitrust laws and state contract laws. The lawsuit also contest the fairness of CVS is arbitration agreements. I feel like I said that word wrong. It should be remuneration. Okay, what she said, let's see the Oklahoma Attorney General getting her getting her what a name Drummond has filed a lawsuit against several major insulin manufacturers and PBMs alleging an unfair and deceptive pricing scheme. The lawsuit claims that despite the reduced production cost of insulin prices had been raised exorbitantly, causing significant financial strain on patients. This lawsuit seeks restitution and aims to bring transparency and fairness to insulin pricing the lawsuit. Both of them underscore the ongoing struggle between independent pharmacies and PBMs over practices like dir fees, which are often seen as unfair and harmful smaller pharmacies. These legal actions aimed to highlight and rectify these practices potentially leading to significant changes in how PBMs operate and improve conditions for both pharmacies and patients. Ah, well that would be nice if things got better for us. I'm going to end today shining a light on Australia. You say Australia, Scott, why? Well, they're doing something cool down there. So July 14 through the 20th is National diabetes week in Australia. And the theme is unite in the fight for tech, expanding subsidized access to continuous glucose monitoring, and ensuring equitable access to diabetes technology across the Australia. Good luck, everybody. I love that you're down there fighting that fight. There's some awareness campaigns highlighting disparities and access to diabetes technology and advocating for changes, launching events and discussions featuring health leaders and political figures to raise public awareness and support for policy change. Australia and diabetes society seems like they might be involved. Looks like diabetes Australia, along with Australian diabetes Educators Association, and the Australian diabetes society will engage in advocacy efforts aimed at implementing recommendations from the parliamentary inquiry into diabetes. This includes increased access to diabetes technology and support for credential diabetes educators Good. Good for you guys. Good. If those spiders don't kill you, I hope this works out. Tickets for the 2025 Juice crews are limited. I'm not just saying that they actually are limited. We have a certain window to sell them in. And then that's it. juicebox podcast.com Scroll down to the juice cruise banner, click on it. Find a cabin that works for you and register right now. You are absolutely limited by time on this one. I'm so sorry to say that it sounds pushy, but it's the absolute truth. Juice cruise 2025 I hope to see you there. We're gonna get a tan talk about diabetes and meet a ton of great people who are living with diabetes. It's kind of going to be like floating diabetes camp. But you won't have to sleep in a log cabin. You'll get a tan. And it's not just for adults or kids. It's for everybody. Hey, kids, listen up. You've made it to the end of the podcast. 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#1257 Loose Wire

Jon has idiopathic type 1 diabetes.

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Scott Benner 0:00
Hello friends and welcome to episode 1257 of the Juicebox Podcast

this is John he's 43 years old, he's had type one diabetes for a handful of years he was misdiagnosed type two. And he's going to tell me today about how he's type one b He explains that at some point during the podcast, but this is just a lovely free flowing conversation for a Friday. Please don't forget that nothing you hear on the Juicebox Podcast should be considered advice, medical or otherwise, always consult a physician before making any changes to your health care plan or becoming bold with insulin. Okay, if you love vacation, and you love sun, and you want to meet people with type one diabetes, check out juice cruise 2025 Go to juicebox podcast.com. Scroll down a little bit, click on that juice cruise link. It'll take you right to the website where you can get more information about my cruise, cruise information itineraries and your registration register now to save $25 Whatever. Let me see what happens if you register. Yes, Early Bird registration by August 1 receives a $25 onboard credit per stateroom. There's going to be conversations about type one plenty of camaraderie and plenty of sun. I hope to meet you on the cruise

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John 2:38
My name is John. I am a type one diabetic. Basically my story starts back in 2018. And I am currently 43 years old. I just had a birthday. So I am a newly diagnosed type one diabetic. As far as a lot of other people's scenarios go

Scott Benner 2:57
Yeah. What are you about? Are you five or six years?

John 3:01
Yeah, somewhere in there. Alright. So in March would have been where you 42 When you were diagnosed? No when so I'm 43 now. So in March of 2018 is when I was first diagnosed. But I was diagnosed as a type two diabetic. In your late 30s. Late 30s. Yep.

Scott Benner 3:20
How long did you live with a type two diagnosis?

John 3:22
So it went for about three or four years? Really? Yes. Howto?

Scott Benner 3:31
Yeah, I want to hear about that. I want to hear about living for three or four years with type one diabetes be treated as a type two.

John 3:38
Okay. Do you want to start in the beginning? Oh,

Scott Benner 3:42
yeah, this is in Pulp Fiction. I don't need to start in the middle, then go back to the beginning and then go to the end.

John 3:45
Here we go. There we go. Okay, so. So I was actually, for about a week leading up to my diagnosis. I thought that I was having problems seeing, like, I couldn't read mailbox numbers. I couldn't see license plates, things like this, that were just always normal to me, I don't wear glasses. I've never really needed glasses, except for maybe close up when I was working on the computer. And that was probably three years prior to that is when, you know I had an eye exam. And you know, I started needing things to see close, but not all the time it just to relax my eyes a little. Okay. I went on a ski trip with my family. And I was talking to my wife on the drive up and I said you know, I really can't see anything. I don't even know if I should be driving. And I'm like, wait a minute, give me your glasses because she wears glasses for driving and I grabbed her glasses I put them on and I was like, Ray, I can see everything I just did not exam maybe I need glasses and it snuck up on me. went skiing for the weekend came home. I had an eye exam set up for Monday morning. I spoke to my father who calls me all the time and you know, he asked me how the weekend was and I'm like good but I gotta go get an eye exam and he goes, Hey, just out of curiosity. He's off. He's a type two diabetic. And he was diagnosed around the same timeframe of life as I was. And he goes, Hey, do you ever check your blood sugar? I'm like, no, because you really should he goes, I gave you a meter. Like, all right. I pulled out the meter. And I'm standing in my kitchen to test my blood sugar, and it's 420. So he's like, that's not good. You're start drinking some water and start walking around, because that's going to help. I said, Okay. And at this point, I really didn't know anything about diabetes at all. Yeah, except for, you know, I have a cousin who's a type one and things like that. And I know what a type two does because I, you know, my father for so long and called my doctor right away. Make it said, Hey, listen, this is what's going on. This was what I found. You have any openings today? She comes to you? No, no, no, you'll be fine. Wait till Friday. Come and see me. I have an appointment on Friday. Come see me. You'll be fine. Don't worry about it. Like, well, everything I'm reading online says I'm out for something. I shouldn't be in the emergency room right now. No, no,

Scott Benner 6:06
I think I shouldn't be worrying. Thank you. Yeah.

John 6:08
Like, no, no, you're fine. I'm like, Okay. Well, fast forward. That week, I get to him, and I'm reading taking readings and this and that. And, you know, and that for 420. That was fasting. So that was about nine in the morning. I hadn't eaten since seven the night before. Okay, so it's not like I ate a doughnut. Yeah. So then I was eating and in while I was eating, I was noticing, depending on what I ate, I would shoot up to five 600. And I'm like, Well, this is not good. Like, kept the log short log, and went to him. And he set me up with, you know, he's like, okay, so you're a type two diabetic. And this is going to be your life now. And I'm going to get you some training maybe and, you know, this and that. And I said, Okay, he goes, you're gonna, I'm gonna start you on a long acting insulin. And I think it was true Stiva at the time, okay, so he put me on that. And things seem to be a little better. I still saw spikes when I ate. But, you know, he told me that that was just a normal type two thing. And insulin was only a temporary thing just to get my pancreas back to, you know, whatever. And I said, okay, and about a couple of weeks went by, and I told him, I was experiencing a lot of papers. And he's like, Well, let's just stop the insulin, then. Fine. You're gonna take the Metformin now and this and that, and which I had started with, and then it was, seemed to be okay for a couple of weeks. And I was talking to some people and decided, you know, I don't know if I want to, I had an appointment with my doctor the following week, he said, I don't think I want to see you anymore. For my diabetes, I'd like to see an endocrinologist. And of course, then you get the, ah, don't worry, I treat tons of type two diabetics. Now, mind you, all these diagnosis was done without a blood test. Okay, this guy standing in his office telling me I know what's wrong with you? And to me that seemed like, well, you know, I'm an electrician by trade. So, I know diagnostic, right? And I'm like, well, that doesn't seem like you did anything except stand there and telling me this is what I have and throw some drugs at me. And hopefully, we can fix this, right? So he reluctantly finally agreed to say, Okay, well, you can go see somebody if you really need to. I said, Well, I would feel more comfortable, started seeing an endo. And, again, she just went off for his diagnosis. We never really did any testing.

Scott Benner 8:37
You went to a place where you thought you'd get better care, but they just trusted the doctor before you

John 8:43
kind of well, they ran the I take that back. She did run some tests. And those tests came back. And I'm not sure what tests he actually ran. And then those tests came back, and everything was okay. And we were still doing the same treatments, no insulin, just the Metformin added a couple of things for you know, whatever. I think we added maybe a cholesterol pill or something just for safety precaution. And that went on like that for almost three years.

Scott Benner 9:14
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John 10:35
So I'm not sure exactly how it happened. I now have to all those years went by everything was semi Okay. Same time a year. We're going skiing again. Same symptoms. I'm like something's not right, because I I wasn't wearing a CGM. I had one for a little while then insurance was the thing. And back then they weren't enough. Not even that long ago. They didn't want to give you a CGM. If you weren't a type one they weren't going to cover Oh, for sure. And I, I wasn't paying the $300 a month when I could do a finger stick like at that time. I'm like, That's ridiculous. I don't really need to monitor it that closely. Fast forwarding got same symptoms can't see again, something's weird. I told my wife. She's like, we're going skiing. So you got to figure this out. Like now, because we're leaving without you. And I'm like, Okay, fine. So I go to the doctor on that Friday morning. I called her up. I said, Listen, I'm not feeling well. Coming right now. So I go in. I'm going to send you for some more bloodwork. Now, mind you, the doctor changed. So my endo was originally a not a physician's assistant, but she was a nurse practitioner, okay. And she was fantastic. But she retired to go spend time with her grandchildren. And I got this new Doctor Who is, in my opinion, phenomenal. She's a no nonsense, right to the point. Like, I'm not your friend, I'm here to help you stay alive. So, you know, I never saw her smile for probably three years. I didn't even know she had teeth. It's hilarious. But she's just, this is what we're going to do. Let's move on. So I go into your that morning and she's like, I'm gonna send you in for some blood work right now. Did you eat? I said, No, not yet. Fine. I go in and my numbers had been under control. I mean, my agency was, you know, at that time, I was in the high sixes. original diagnosis. I started at like nine point, I think 9.8. Okay, was my original agency. And I had brought that down into the sixes. And I was doing that with diet basically in Metformin, right. And then I she sent me in, had these tests done. Monday morning, I get back from my trip, I get a phone call. Okay, so there was some something happened and you are not a type two diabetic. I'm like, Okay, you're a type one. And you need to start taking long acting insulin today. So here's a prescription. I want you to go down to your pharmacy, pick that up, and then bring your prescription to me and I'm going to show you about injecting I said, Well, I'm already good. I did that in the beginning. She goes good. That's how many units you take every day. And then we're going to adjust accordingly. And and that long acting went on for about two or two and a half weeks. In the spikes were still there. Like there was nothing stopping by mealtime spikes. They were crazy. Then she said, Okay, let

Scott Benner 13:26
me stop you there. Gentlemen. ask a couple questions. Okay. Sure. Yep. At one point you said, you know, it's kind of like it settled in and for years, it was okay. Yeah. What did okay mean? Were you getting a one CS tested? I

John 13:40
was in they were steady, like in the mid to upper 60s. And they were telling me well as a type two, that's not bad. So you you're okay.

Scott Benner 13:50
And that's just metformin and a statin? Right. That's what you're taking at that point? That's correct. Yep. You still take the statin?

John 13:57
I still take both. What do you need the statin for? They give me that because my cholesterol levels were a little elevated. So they want to make sure that that stays under control. At

Scott Benner 14:09
some point I'm gonna get I'm gonna get an honest doctor on here to talk about that. Yeah, yeah. They're gonna tell you that. Statins became standard of care for people with diabetes and so doctors just blanket prescribed the wrong people. Yeah, I got it seemed to me The fascinating part is that you didn't die. Do you know what I mean? Yeah, yeah. So

John 14:29
now so the after that, like, the crazy thing is, when those tests came back, I'm not a standard type one diabetic. So they classify me as a type one B. So when you asked about Lada in, you know, things like that. Mine is technically not an autoimmune disease. I don't have the autoimmune markers in my blood, okay. But my C peptide is that zero, whatever, that as low as you could get. So They think that something happened somewhere along the line in my life where I must have gotten sick, like, you know, they call it idiopathic type one diabetes, which fits me perfect because my whole life people have been telling me I was an idiot. So, Greg, there we go.

Scott Benner 15:16
I didn't know that if I made this podcast long enough that people would start telling the bad jokes and I could relax. That's fantastic. Thank you. That's true. That's just true. Okay, so in type one diabetes, B cells are typically understood to be I don't know, type one diabetes B.

John 15:31
Yeah, so it's idiopathic. type one, type one, the type one B is what they classify it. It's even in my chart written that way.

Scott Benner 15:40
Okay. So very simply, let me read this. Type one B, other forms of diabetes with severe insulin deficiency, but without proof of auto immune are also known as idiopathic. Okay. All right. Yep.

John 15:54
And the funny thing is, if you read what nationality of people usually get this

Scott Benner 16:00
disease, is it idiots? No, I'm just kidding.

John 16:03
No, it's actually it's of African descent and Asian descent. Which one, are you? I'm neither one of those. There's German, German, and polish. Some other stuff, but not that. All right. So I'm like, Oh, lucky me.

Scott Benner 16:18
No kidding. How do they prove this?

John 16:21
I'm not sure I guess through the C peptide test, because I don't have the auto immune markers. But the C peptide, is telling them, Hey, your pancreas is making zero insulin, have something damaged your pancreas other than an autoimmune disease? Here's what they told me.

Scott Benner 16:40
Right? So listen, I'm just listening to your story. You just it's very new to me. So that's weird. Dr. John, two different women have told me that they tried to get pregnant by putting a friend's semen into a turkey baster and inserting it in themselves. But you're the first person to tell me that you have type one B diabetes. Yeah.

John 17:02
And that was kind of my whole thing was sharing this story with you. When I had sent you that email quite a long time ago. And I think during an episode, you had said, Hey, share your stories, I'd love to hear different things. So I did. And I'm like, I got to tell somebody because I don't know anybody like this. Because

Scott Benner 17:21
saying that to go on to CDC to type one diabetes is thought to be in effect, it doesn't. When you Google questions specifically about type one, B diabetes, you don't know nothing there, you ask you, you often don't get information back about it. It almost redirects you to a similar website, but not about that, specifically.

John 17:41
Exactly. And that was my problem for a very long time trying to learn well, how could I have gotten this? And they have no idea. But the odd thing is I do have an I know you always ask people, well, what about in your family? So there's a lot of type two in my family. And I have one cousin that is a type one who has been a type one since I think she was like 13 years old. Okay. And that makes sense to me. But for me, where it happened was so late in life, I think I also during those couple of years, I may have been in quote unquote, a honeymoon stage where yes, the Metformin was kind of giving my pancreas a little bit of a kick and I was still getting some insulin. And then it just decided it was given up the ghost and it wasn't going to do anything anymore and it was just going to chill hanging out in my stomach and or my abdomen and to do nothing. So that's kind of where we're at. Started taking the mealtime insulin and did that for with a I did it with a pen and just tracking stuff that way, or probably, I don't know, three months. And the stories I hear of people with their doctors never want to give them a pump or they never want to do this. My doctor, for me was fantastic day one. She said you want a pump. This is forever so I'll give you a pump today. If you want one. I'll get you set up. We'll get you going. We'll get ready to go and I said well I don't know if I want anything attached to me. Not sure I want to do that yet. instantly got the ducks calm. And I started on the G sex love that. I am now currently on the g7 Couldn't wait till that came out that finally came and you know it works pretty well like in saying I was living okay with what the doctors were saying at six and a half. Yeah, almost seven. I my last checkup I was at five seven. And it was a little better than that previous but kind of got a little carried away with the eating.

Scott Benner 19:46
Now you're doing terrific. What What a story of of getting involved in it. It's really something Did you ever say? I have a cousin with type one diabetes, or did you mostly tell Have a story about my dad has type two diabetes when you were in office?

John 20:03
No, I had mentioned that I had a cousin with type one. That didn't really seem to, you know, do anything but I also have hypothyroidism, too. You have other autoimmune issues? Yeah. Yeah. And I take Synthroid for that.

Scott Benner 20:20
Yeah. What's your TSH? Do

John 20:21
you know, though? I don't know. I? Honestly, I don't pay attention

Scott Benner 20:26
to that your boy, John, I don't expect you to know these things. Don't worry. Do you take it every day?

John 20:31
I do. Um, how do I take that religiously up? Do you have

Scott Benner 20:36
any thyroid symptoms, even though you take it?

John 20:40
Not really, other than I was really tired for. And that's kind of where the testing went. You know, I was just exhausted all the time. I couldn't have it. I'd had like, no energy. And I'm not sure if that that is it. That's the thyroid. Yeah. Yeah. So then they they started me on this stuff. And it seems to work well, but that I mean, that's been going on now for I would say 12 years, I've had

Scott Benner 21:04
much longer. Yeah. How about throughout your families or more thyroid through your family or celiac or anything like that?

John 21:10
See that? No, not that I'm aware of. No, just a lot of type type two diabetics. Okay. Okay. And then one cousin with a type one and then me with the nobody knows what, a

Scott Benner 21:23
lot of type twos with the German side.

John 21:26
Yeah, it's all on my father's side. Yeah. Okay. You close to your dad. Yeah, very, yeah. Yeah,

Scott Benner 21:32
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Speaker 1 23:53
was going straight into high school. So it was a summer heading into high school was that particularly difficult, unimaginable, you know, I missed my entire summer. So I went I was going to a brand new school, I was around a bunch of new people that I had not been going to school with. So it was hard trying to balance that while also explaining to people with type one diabetes was my hometown did not have an endocrinologist. So I was traveling over an hour to the nearest endocrinologist for children. So you know, I outside of that I didn't have any type of support in my hometown.

Scott Benner 24:26
Did you try to explain to people or did you find it easier just to stay private?

Speaker 1 24:31
I honestly I just held back I didn't really like talking about it. It was just it felt like it was just an repeating record where I was saying things and people weren't understanding it. And I also was still in the process of learning it so I just kept it to myself didn't really talk about it. Did

Scott Benner 24:46
you eventually find people in real life that you could confide in. I

Speaker 1 24:50
never really got the experience until after getting to college and then once I graduated college, it's all I see. You know, you can easily search They're trying to champions, you see people that pop up and you're like, wow, look at all this content. And I think that's something that motivates me started embracing more, you know how I'm able to type one diabetes, Medtronic

Scott Benner 25:11
diabetes.com/juice box to hear more stories from the Medtronic champion community?

John 25:19
Yeah, yes, things to me are on the diabetes side of things, I feel that I do a fairly decent job of keeping myself alive, I use your terminology of my endocrinologist has now become my drug dealer now, and not so much a doctor because we go there, or I go there, and I see her. And the last time I was there, everything was good the time previous to that I had gained a little bit of weight. I'm a small guy. I'm five, eight. And I've always weighed, you know, under 170 pounds. Well, I was up to like, 189. And she's like, okay, we're not talking about your diabetes today. Because that point, my agency was still at like a 5.4. And she's like, you're doing great. Keep up the good work. But you're fat. I'm like, Oh, thank you. So what she said, he literally said, You're fat. And this is not good in you're gonna have other problems. So can we please get this under control. And then I did, I lost a bunch of weight. And I went back a once he went up a little bit, but the the weight and so she asked me how I do in how I'm controlling it. And I kind of explained it, and I said, if I see my numbers are creeping up, or I see this, I said, I adjust my pump and listen, that listening to your show helped me really take control of it, and not be afraid to go and ask my doctor and say, Oh, if I touch this, I'm gonna die. Like you're not gonna die. Just a little bit more candy or whatever. If it's a little high, then you know, you got to add a little more and you know, nudge it and pump it and do what you got to do to get it to there. And she told me Listen, it's like a driver's license. She goes, I gave you a pump. I set you up with training. Now you have your license. You're on your own now. Like, do it. Yeah, do what you got to do. If you have big concerns, call me but don't call me daily and ask me how to adjust this work. Should I move my numbers? Just do it.

Scott Benner 27:12
I think we need more doctors who call people fat because that I like the attitude. Like I don't listen. I'm a little stunned. They called you fat like, but like, it would have been a nicer way to say that. But I like the assertiveness that I hear in the rest of the story.

John 27:25
Yeah, she's very, she's very good. But I think I can handle her type of bedside manner. And I'm sure a lot of people can't.

Scott Benner 27:35
What part of the country you're from.

John 27:36
I live in the Northeast. Yeah, I

Scott Benner 27:38
was gonna say you're around here, right? I'm in New England. Yeah. And I can I can almost hear that. You think Tom Brady's a good person? I can. I can hear in your voice. I don't

John 27:47
watch football. I know who you are. Yeah,

Scott Benner 27:50
trust me. Wade Boggs. I can get to where you live. There

John 27:53
you go. Yeah, well, a little south. But yeah, actually, I would, I would say a little. It would be a little west of Wade Boggs territory.

Scott Benner 28:01
I'll tell you, John. I think it's nicer living like this. I love your response to it. You know, like you're walking, you're up 10 pounds. Hey, we're not talking about your diabetes today. Because you're fat. And we got to fix this. And let's go and you don't go Oh, no, don't call me fat. That's mean. Like, you're just like, Alright, okay, you know, right into it. And then the same thing with the diabetes. Like, look how valuable that directness did you lose the weight?

John 28:25
I did. I got down to I'm at a comfortable 174 right now. So

Scott Benner 28:32
I'm going to tell you, I wish someone would have looked at me at some point and said, Hey, Scott, you look fat. Yeah, yeah. Would have been nice.

John 28:38
You're gonna have other problems. So can you just fix this? I'm like, Yeah, okay. Well, then I just cut out some stuff that I was doing that I probably shouldn't have been doing anyway. And, you know,

Scott Benner 28:47
can you imagine being married to her?

John 28:50
Oh, I don't even know. I mean, she's a great doctor. But again, like, we're, we're at the point now, I've known her long enough. How I had said, I never saw her smile before. Yeah. He was laughing during our last meeting, because she's, you know, she's starting to open up a little I've known her long enough. You know, now like, she gets my humor. I get heard. And we have a really good doctor patient relationship. And she's, she's great.

Scott Benner 29:17
Sounds perfect. Honestly. Yeah, it does really sound perfect to me. Yeah,

John 29:23
it works well. And, you know, I can too. I think I drive my wife crazy. I tend to if there's anybody who's willing to listen to me talk about diabetes. I do. I know that my kids look at me and they're like, Ah, here we go. He found someone they

Scott Benner 29:39
were gonna think that no matter what, John don't worry about that. Yeah.

John 29:42
I got it. I got it. Being so late in life and having you know if I'm gonna have this disease in live with this, I'm glad that number one. It happened in this day and age, not 1970 Because technology I I don't know how people did it and how people can sit there and their endos will tell them to wait. And they don't want them to have a pump. They want them to learn how, why would you do that to someone? It's horrible to me. I don't understand

Scott Benner 30:08
either. So when you find yourself wanting to talk to people about it, what's your driver there? Are you hoping to find somebody who needs help, like you did. And maybe you can say something to them, that will make them think, oh, I need to help myself, or you just trying to spread awareness.

John 30:24
Both To be honest, I would love to get involved in more, you know, helping people, if I could, my time does not allow that right this moment, but with work and kids and you know, sports, but I would love to be able to help more people, or just even if telling my story of how this happened to me, get someone to think, Hey, maybe I should have something looked at, then. That's great.

Scott Benner 30:48
That's nice. It's very nice. You're worried for your kids.

John 30:54
You know, I do worry about them. And maybe getting this. I'm a little less worried because of what my diagnosis is. Being that it's from what they tell me, it's not autoimmune. I'm not as concerned with it. And it's not like, you know, hey, I had the COVID shot. And then I got diabetes, like this was well before COVID When, when my whole journey started. Yeah.

Scott Benner 31:24
Do you think you were sick before it happened? Do you think back or is it you probably don't even really remember, I would imagine. Do you have any virus, a virus of any kind? I've

John 31:34
never heard the story except for once my mother told me when I was a baby. So I was born in 81. So it was the beginning of Lyme disease back then it was, you know, kind of a big deal. And you never hear of it really anymore. But they claim that I had Lyme when I was probably two years old. Okay. Now, did that do it? I don't know. I don't know of any other type of situation that I might have been in where I had a virus or anything crazy. I mean, like every kid chickenpox, right? You had that? In? You know, the Lyme disease went away. Apparently, after they gave me all kinds of, you

Scott Benner 32:12
know, stuff back then a lot of antibiotics. Yeah,

John 32:15
probably. Yeah. I don't remember that. I remember 90% of my life, and I don't remember anything about that.

Scott Benner 32:21
You think you were beat up? Did you ever talk to your parents about that time? As far as why do you not remember that portion of your life? I

John 32:30
have no idea. I bet that I don't I mean, at two years old. I do remember things

Scott Benner 32:34
but because your age? No, I'm sorry. Okay. Huge. Yeah. Okay.

John 32:39
It's an interesting, I kind of have like a unique story. I'm not really that unique of a person. But I think in this case, you know, talking to a guy like you, you've heard 1000s of stories of people, right? Yeah. Have you heard this one? Like, I mean, this is new.

Scott Benner 32:54
I told you. I've heard two stories about Turkey base. There's one story about type one B in less. I've heard it and I forgotten it. And then I'm going to get somebody online is going to tell me a Scott, that was another this other episode, but I really don't feel like I've ever heard that before. Yeah, so

John 33:08
yeah. So you just you kind of get your roll with it, right? You do what you got to do. And life goes on. You can't let it kill you. You can't let it get the best to kind of just, and that's how I try to look at it like, hey, this really sucks. Like, it really, really sucks that I have this can't stop you from doing things, either. No,

Scott Benner 33:29
I appreciate that.

John 33:30
I've been doing these things my whole life. Like, you know, but again, I'm fortunate that I wasn't well 13 years old and develop this disease of

Scott Benner 33:39
course. So you manage now with you have G seven and what do you what pump? I'm

John 33:43
sorry, I used a tandem?

Scott Benner 33:45
Is that the x 2x? Two? Yep. Nice. Do you enjoy that that algorithm? You know,

John 33:52
I do. I don't really watch my pump the way that some people do. I kind of set it up and then I'll watch the trends over the few days. And then if I need to make an adjustment to my, my basil, I will. It seemed for a while that that was working great. And you know, I was having a nice smooth line. And I had my Basal dialed in where it needed to go. And then all of a sudden, I don't know if it was stressed at work or something. stuff got wacky, you know, all whacked out and now my line is like I can't unlife me get it to move back out the way that it used to

Scott Benner 34:31
be. I mean, are you do you weigh more than you did when it worked better?

John 34:36
No, I'm about back to where I was when I started. Yeah. Okay. So I didn't know what that was. And I you know, I was fighting a sinus infection for a little while and stuff and I know that I'll do it. I know you always say, Oh, you got to change your Basal you got to do this. You got to do that. And I have been trying to do that. But I also think the other thing I noticed is the g7 Their algorithm. And

Scott Benner 35:01
that is horrible. Tell me what you don't like about it. So

John 35:05
in talking to, actually, there's a local guy who's a rep for Dexcom, in my, he lives in my town, and he was the first guy I talked to, once I was diagnosed, and they, you know, I was gonna start using the G six at the time. And what had happened was between the G six and the G seven, they removed, I believe, and I may be talking out of turn, but the flattening algorithm, or the flattening portion of the algorithm, where it makes your line look smoother. And they took that out. So the G sticks, wearing that neck to the g7. You can tell that that one had a smoother line, because I did it for 10 days, I had an overlap. Can

Scott Benner 35:50
I ask why that matters? It doesn't matter to me, I guess

John 35:53
as much as I mean, I like to smoother line because it made you feel better. It was a false a false sense of security. Right? Like, wow, look how good I'm doing. And now it's like, up, down, up, down, up, down and, you know, jumps around all over the place. If

Scott Benner 36:07
that's more accurate. Would you not prefer to know? Oh, no.

John 36:11
Yes, I do. Okay, I kind of do like the fact that it shows but I think that's where some people, because you see it on online on the Facebook groups and things and people complain about the G seven. It's not as good as my G six. I'm going back. And it's like, well, it is as good. It's better. Yeah,

Scott Benner 36:30
it's just the way people talk about things is very interesting to me. Like you said, it's worse. But it sounds like to me that they were like, look, we're gonna give up the smoothness of the visual of the line for a representation of what your blood sugar is. And people are like, this thing don't work is good. I'm like, that sounds backwards. Yeah,

John 36:49
it does work good. It's working better. It's just, you're at the point now where, you know, it doesn't make you feel good. And people want to feel good, that facade

Scott Benner 36:59
that your blood sugar is just dancing around like a ballerina very slowly from 156 to 154. You know, like, yeah, where it might actually be that you are, I don't know, 120 and then turn around a corner and somebody jumps out and scares the hell out of you. And then you're 140 and then it goes back to 120 again, or something like that, you know? Yeah, yeah. Well, it's just it's funny. Language is so funny. Like, it's worse, it works better. But I was like, Wait, stop. I'm not sure what we're saying. I

John 37:29
was a little confused. But it seems to be worse, because it doesn't make you feel good. And I think a lot of people need to feel good.

Scott Benner 37:35
Interesting. So you know, there's value in in the lie a little bit.

John 37:42
Probably, if you want to believe that, right? If you want to believe who you are. I think it's great. I love the warmup time. I love the I love the grace period. That's a that's like, amazing.

Scott Benner 37:54
I watched my daughter chew up every second of that grace period yesterday.

John 37:59
Yeah, yeah. And you're like, okay, okay. Are you doing okay, what, what are we doing?

Scott Benner 38:04
I texted her. I was like, Hey, are you gonna change your CGM? She was why. And I said, Well, there's three hours left in the grace period. And she goes, Oh, I guess I will then I was like, okay, so she's in the middle of her finals. Today's her last day. Okay, we talked to her last night. She sat on a sofa in her dorm room, with the camera on us with her knees at her face rocking back and forth going, I say, Oh, my day is over. And I'm like, we're like you alright? Their kids. She's like, I'm not sleeping. And so she told us that in the last like, she expects to sleep for 15 minutes at a time, maybe for a collection of just a couple of hours over the last two days or finals. Well, that's wrong. She's not sleeping at all. And her blood sugar's are stunningly good for what's going on. Yeah, like genuinely. I don't know how people like if I showed you Ardennes last 24 hours right now. It's not pretty. Okay. But it is mainly between 70 and 130. There are there for excursions over 120 There are two excursions over 200. But she is literally not sleeping. She's like, I'm not sleeping. I'm barely eating like, everything's a mess. Like, I just need to get through these next couple of days. For the life of me, you know, when she was in high school, she was like, I'm either gonna go to take a pre law track. Yeah, or I want to learn how to make clothing. And somehow she ended up in art school learning about fashion design, and it seems like it would have been easier to become a lawyer. So it's very, very interesting. But anyway, I heard craft looks choppier, but I don't care. And but the rest of it's amazing because now she's in the middle of class. She's like that I'm in my car. She's calls me she's like, I'm on my way home. I'm was killed no lady wasn't my fault, but she's okay. And then by the way that story is going, isn't it a different episode? If you want to hear it, it's, it'll be out around the time Jonathan says, oh, okay, and then she's like, I have to go home. And then I'm like, I'm gonna do this. And I'm like, and you're gonna change your CGM. She's gonna change my CGM. And bah, bah. And I put she took it right. What is it? It's 12 hours past 10 days right now. Right? Okay, she wore that thing. Like the math the Oh my Oh, my God, I was I kept looking like is she going to forget that she fall asleep that she dropped dead? Like what's happening? You know, and boom, she changed at the very end. And I know that'll piss some people off that she worked for the entirety of the time. It was never that sensor was terrific.

John 40:39
Like, yeah, see, I had some problems with that, though, in the beginning of the g7. That was my only complaint truly was the first four that I put on? Well, the first one I put on, I couldn't even get it to connect to my on my phone at all. It would just not nothing. So that one got ripped off through I put that one aside. I put on the next one. That one worked. And that worked for four days, and then it quit. It was just sensor issues. central issue nothing. I don't think let's see in the past. I'm gonna say I've worn now. Six or seven sensors. And I've had one. Let me like, accurate all the way to the grace period. Yeah, most of them start getting the we're experiencing brief sensor issue for you know, we'll say the last day and it just hour after hour. And after a while I just get sick of it and rip it off. When it gets worried. The great thing with Dexcom is you call them and they send you one.

Scott Benner 41:35
And you're hydrated John? Yeah, yeah.

John 41:39
I tend to be fairly pizza yellow. No, no, no, not really.

Scott Benner 41:45
Listen, I just in the end, I just believe that people's body chemistry is different. And that I haven't said this in a while. But this would be for any CGM technology. Honestly, if cannulas too, but I think it's important to remember that we're inserting a piece of inert material into your skin to measure your interstitial fluid so that you and you know if some of you can only get six days, and some of you get eight days, some you get nine days somebody can go 10. Like, I know, it's frustrating because the box says 10 days, right? Like, I mean, do we not see the magic that it is? Generally mean? Like, like, if you said to me, this thing could last up to 10 days, but for me, it lasts six days, and they replace them. I'd be like, right on like, okay, yeah, that seems fine to me. I don't know. It's a weird not seeing the forest for the trees reaction. I get the frustration though. So I'm not. I'm not downplaying that. And I'm lucky that Arden just as never had an incompatibility with Longwear or

John 42:48
even even the adhesive. nevers bothered me, right. And you see people with these burns and things and you know, and then you hear stories about people. And it really, it kind of breaks my heart to think that there's people out there that need this device to live in. They're restarting it six times. Yeah, it sucks. And they're not moving it. There's a reason why they say 10 days or 14 days, like it's not supposed to be there that long. And you hear it ah, you know, I'm going on day 30 of the same sensor. And it's like,

Scott Benner 43:19
when people were resetting the G sixes. I'm sure they still do. The thing about like, adhesive allergies. It's an allergy, right? You're evident, you're allergic to the adhesive, you have an auto immune issue. It's not crazy that you have allergies to that's the part that breaks my heart about the double unfairness of the whole thing is like, I have this autoimmune disease. So I have to wear this thing. And oh my god, I'm allergic to the tape. Like, you gotta be kidding me is Jesus Christ. So it sucks. Yeah, yeah, no, I hear.

John 43:52
Especially the little kids like, you know, these parents they can afford. Maybe, you know, and you hear it, you know, they can't afford proper insulin, or they need the CGM. But, you know, they're afraid that if, if they take this off, they can't they don't have another one available. Or, I mean, and then they can't afford another one. Yeah, reusing it. And

Scott Benner 44:14
the people that are allergic are like, well, just, you know, can you change the adhesive so that, you know, I'm less allergic The problem is, it seems to me is when they, when the adhesive is whatever less it is, and it doesn't interact poorly with, you know, more people. It also tends to fall off at that point. Yeah. Yeah. Like I've had long conversations with people. I don't know if you ever remember this guy came on from Omni pod one time. And I asked him about that idea of like, could there not be different adhesives like a sensitive one and the the sound and his voice about he's like, he started talking about the things I understand about it. He's have now after working at this job, he's like, it's mind numbing. Yeah, the amount there is to know about this and the formula Relations and he's like I've seen and worn you know, all these different kinds. And when they're more like this, they're less like that. And he's like there's is there's no perfect balance. There's always a trade. Right? You know, then the people who don't have adhesive allergies are like, How can I, you know, what are they going to say when their thing starts falling off? Right? They're gonna say there was nothing wrong with this. Why'd you change it right? You can't win. And it's it's like frustrating, again is a good word. The I mean, it just in the end it is what it is. You know, I just had ever since just came on, they have an implantable CGM, right? And I'm like, oh, maybe you know, now right now it doesn't pair with pumps, but I assume in the future will like so maybe that's, you know, maybe that's an answer for some people. But who knows, you know what I mean? But options are what's important.

John 45:45
I mean, there's still a sticky part part of that with the Eversense.

Scott Benner 45:49
So the interesting thing about that is as I went through a training so that I could talk about it better, because often doesn't use it, but the sensors implanted, right, like you go into a doctor's office. It's interesting, they do a little local, like a little tiny needle to numb the spot as little incision, the thing goes in, it's closed with like a butterfly bandaid. It's not a stitch, right? Yeah. And then the transmitter goes on over top of it. So you're still wearing a thing on your arm. But that thing is, it's every day, I guess there's like, it's almost like a silicone adhesive. So it's very, very much not, you know, you're not gonna see a lot of allergic reactions from it, and it comes off every day. So you just pop it off, toss it away, you put another little silicone thing on the transmitter sticks to it. And the value there is you can pop it off and jump in the shower, if you want to like it, and then throw it right back on again without like, you know, like that kind of thing. It's very able to be removed and put back. Yeah, yeah. Over and over again. So because you take the transmitter off to charge it too, right? It gets a different setup. But very cool. And the transmitter vibrates. Well, if you were going somewhere and you wanted it to be completely quiet, the actual they call it on body vibe. Well, that's interesting. Yeah, you set your levels and it vibrates to tell you high or low. And it's cool. Listen it. I don't know if it's for everybody. But as soon as I started putting the ads out, I started getting notes from people. Oh, I can't believe he took Eversense ads. These are great. I've been using it forever. And I'm like, okay, there you go. Like everybody needs arms. Yeah.

John 47:26
Yeah, that's, that's interesting. I mean, I would try something like that. But the whole reason I wear what I wear is because it works with my pump, and it works well million percent. The only issue and that I have with it is my phone can be 30 feet away, and it'll pick up readings, if I put my sensor on the other arm, because I wear it on my arms fully. I don't like it anywhere else on my body, only because it gets in the way of like, my belt and my jeans. And you know, it just seems to work the best on my arms. But if I put my pump my infusion site on the left side and put like sensor on the right side. Like, it can't get through my palm through my body. It's like how does that work on my phone is 30 feet away, and it's working fine. Like, I don't know. So

Scott Benner 48:11
even that is like a thing that I've said to myself like Arden's never had connectivity problems with g7. But she's also pretty connected to her phone, right? Like so if you're a person who's like a little older, and you put your phone down and walk away from it a lot, then maybe you have different issues you don't I mean, like it's, again, it's a personal situation. And

John 48:31
mine is never really with the phone. Like my phone's always in my pocket because of what I do for work. But my pump is that that will disconnect if my pump is on one side, and my sensors on the other, okay, I tend to try to run the course of, hey, these 10 days, I'm going to have at least three infusion sites. And I'm going to put him on that side. So I alternate sides of my body. Pretend days with my pump. So 10 days on this bike 10 days on that side. And they both work together.

Scott Benner 49:04
Nice. Listen, I think algorithms are astonishingly terrific. Yeah, like really? Like, I mean, using Arden's last 48 hours as an example, if she didn't have an algorithm. I mean, you got to think her blood sugar's would be crashing and flying up and crashing and flying up over and over again. Right. You know what I mean? It just makes sense to me the last I'm looking at her last six hours, never over 17 Never over 110 No, never, never under 70 Never over 110

John 49:37
You know, I could not say the same for myself. Now, this is where trying to dial in my my settings a little more on my own. Like I said before, I had it to a point where I was really good. Yeah, and I was really comfortable living around 100 all the time. I was between 95 In 110, for like six months, it was awesome, okay, and occasionally would go up because you know, I Bolus late or this and that. Now it's all over the place. Like, you know, now that I've adjusted my settings in for me, I'm fairly sensitive to insulin, which is pretty good, I guess, cuz it's better than having, you know, less sensitivity and you need so much more. But point 01 of a unit on the tandem, you can go 1.01 If you wanted or whatever, or point nine, five or, and I think right now I'm at like point nine for an hour. If I went to point nine, five, I would see a lot more lows below 80. I don't like the feeling at 75. Like, that's bad for me.

Scott Benner 50:50
Did you try adjusting your insulin sensitivity? So it's a little weaker?

John 50:54
I don't know if I've ever even looked at that on my palm. Yeah, I

Scott Benner 50:58
as you were talking earlier, this is what it occurred to me to talk to you and talk about it at the end here. Yeah, absolutely. Okay. So if you're having stability with your basil, like, right, like you're not seeing it turn off a lot or a rank ramp up a lot. And you have some, you know, you have some nice stability and a number you're happy with. But then during the day, you know, you think your insulin to carb ratio is good. But you still have these excursions that he's up and down excursions, you're having some lows, and you're having peaks, like maybe you're just not giving the pump enough autonomy to make adjustments, and that would be insulin sensitivity.

John 51:34
Now, I go into my tandem, and I open this up. So right now I'm sitting at like 115 with point three, three units on board. Okay, it did shut off at one point around right at the time of our, our start of our call my Basal shut off for a little while. And then it came back on and I am I'm sitting steady since I don't know, for the last hour, I've been sitting steady at 115 less

Scott Benner 52:06
than that. There's nothing wrong with that. But what's your target? Is it what's 110? Right? That's what it's targeted for

John 52:13
problem with the tandem pump, you can put in your target as 100. But control IQ takes over. And it doesn't really tell if I was at 100. And I went to his I think their target is 110 Regardless of what you set it as if you went at one at 100. And I said okay, I'm gonna go eat this meal, and it's 45 carbs. And I put that 45 carbs in. It will give me a reduced Bolus based on the fact that I am below 110. Yeah, no matter how you set it, or what you do to it. That's the only bad thing versus like looping and everything I've read about looping and obviously Arden's been doing that forever from, from the episodes and everything I've heard, you can set that number, and that's the number, right. It's

Scott Benner 52:59
you can set. I mean, I think the low is there's a low number on all of them, like, you know, but they're much lower, like you can choose.

John 53:09
But I mean, like if you were if he was at 100, it won't lower her Bolus. Because, you know, if you said hey, I mean 40 carbs. And she would normally need, let's say, 5.3 units.

Scott Benner 53:23
And she was 100. No, it wouldn't change anything. I mean, unless it thought she was going to get low in the future. If it predicted that then it would but if it didn't predict, if it didn't predict a low, then it I mean, Arden's target, I think right now is 85 or 90. So,

John 53:39
so my settings right now just for whatever, like my lowest that at at my highest set at probably too high, because I have it at like 180 but it would be on off all the time until like, I kind of moved that I had it at like 160 for a long time. But I mean, right now I'm at my Basal is point nine, six an hour, My correction factors 148 or one to 48 my carb ratio is one to 15 and my target blood glucose level is 110. And if you click on that you want to change that it never allows you to change that below one time. Yeah, it just says when control IQ is set on your target, blood glucose is fixed at 110. In order to edit that you have to turn off control IQ. They don't want you to be below 110 I guess that's like, you know that doctors magic number, right? I feel great at 100. Like, that's where I feel the best. I don't get sick when I get high either. Some people do my cousin she gets really, you know, icky and gross feeling. She's above let's say, I think she when she gets above like 160 She gets pretty bad. And I'm probably wrong with that number but with me I can be at 220 and I wouldn't feel horrible at all.

Scott Benner 54:56
Do you what's your total daily insulin usually Like 30 Something units? Really? Yeah, let me see. That's total. That's Basal embolus.

John 55:07
Yeah. Are you low carb? No, no. I mean, well, that's cool. I don't know. Does that sound? No,

Scott Benner 55:15
I just do it. I mean, it doesn't. If your point nine, six an hour.

John 55:20
Let me see. So in the last, I can tell you this injury because that

Scott Benner 55:24
means because John 23 of your unit today is Basal. Yeah, you're only using seven units a day for meals

John 55:33
and your one to 15. Well, like so today, for example, my basil has been 7.5. And I only Bolus who for breakfast was like 4.38 units, or point three. And then Yes, yesterday I was at 32.99. And it's almost even yesterday. My Basal was 17.11 units by Bolus was

Scott Benner 55:59
15.8. But your agency is 6.55757 right now. Okay. Yeah. Geez. Listen to John. I. Oh, I don't know. We shouldn't be arguing. I think you're doing great. Yeah, but

John 56:15
yeah, I know. I mean, it's crazy. And then even on like on March 12. So what day was that? That was Tuesday, I had 18.75 units of basil. In my Bolus was 12.1 for the day. 12.1

Scott Benner 56:27
and your one unit for 15? Carbs? Yeah.

John 56:33
Okay. I'm not low carb. And trust me, I don't eat nearly as healthy as I should? or would like to, you

Scott Benner 56:41
know, I heard another doctor talk to you. I'm just teasing. Has your exercise or activity level gone down recently?

John 56:50
Um, would that mean that it would have had to have existed before

Scott Benner 56:55
I even at work? Were you like working on the road? Now you're working in an office or something like that? I've

John 57:00
always know. It's kind of steady, like, depending on how much I'm moving around and walking and Bunker Hill? Yeah,

Scott Benner 57:07
I mean, what are your spikes at meals? Like?

John 57:11
Oh, like so it depends on what I eat. And I probably could Pre-Bolus a

Scott Benner 57:15
lot sooner. That's where I was going with this, John. Yeah, okay. Yeah, no, I

John 57:20
know. And my whole thing is, I get I'm too afraid to Pre-Bolus. And I'll tell you why. So with my job, so I'm an electrical contractor. Okay. I run the business with my two partners. And we have a bunch of guys that work for us. So I don't have a lunchtime, or a break time in the morning. I have a where am I going? And can I swing into here and grab something, whether it's a sandwich or a hamburger or slice of pizza or whatever, whatever you're having?

Scott Benner 57:50
John, I can't get you to pack a meal. No, I know. No, no.

John 57:56
They probably would. Yeah. But so the Pre-Bolus is, if I was to Pre-Bolus, and I've done it, and then something happens, and I have to be somewhere and I didn't have a minute to stop and grab something. Yeah. Then there's an issue. So I tend to not Pre-Bolus As much as I should I try to do 10 to 15 minutes earlier if I can, but it always doesn't always work out. So so it depends on what I eat. Like let's say, let's say I had, I don't know. Like last night I had steak. And probably two cups worth of you know, potatoes. A mashed potato, John, not a mashed potato, just like a Yukon Gold cut up diced with oil. No oil. Good for you.

Scott Benner 58:43
Look at you, John. You're doing oil. Good.

John 58:45
Right. So so but then that if I didn't Bolus soon enough, that could put me up over. You know, one ad?

Scott Benner 58:54
Yeah, no, for sure. I think so. Listen, just Pre-Bolus your dinners at the very least. And yeah, consider packing a healthy lunch and having it with you. Sure. These two things change your life significantly, I think. Yeah. Yeah. Yes. I mean, listen, I also had pizza this week. So yeah.

John 59:15
I had pizza yesterday. So

Scott Benner 59:17
it was so good, too. I had it was sausage on it is like a very thin crust. If you don't live in the northeast, you don't know. But it's amazing. Yeah. Anyway, I mean, listen, I'm not telling you what to do. You're certainly doing a great job. I'm just saying if we're going to talk about these things, these are the little fixes. I always think about if anybody's heard the episode with Jenny, where I asked her, like, hey, when you go on a road trip, like, you know, how do you eat on a long like, say your family who's gonna drive eight hours like how do you eat and she's like, why pack food and bring it with us? I'm like, you don't just pull over on the side of the road and grabs on. She was like, oh, no, I would never do that.

John 59:52
And I was like, oh, but she's different. She's very like, good. Like, she's, she's a healthy eater. She's I'm not that guy. Yeah.

Scott Benner 1:00:02
No forget no for sure. Um, like you've never gotten like a candy bar in a gas station. She was like what? Oh,

John 1:00:09
yeah. My favorite part of

Scott Benner 1:00:11
a road trip is getting a Three Musketeers bar and a gas station. Well, that's

John 1:00:15
the thing like yesterday, I had pizza. Well, there's one Papa Geno's, in my state. Okay, and I don't know if you guys had Papa Geno's, where you are? I

Scott Benner 1:00:24
don't know it. But it sounds like something that when you're near it, you get it because you love it. And it's infrequent. They

John 1:00:29
used to be everywhere now. Okay. Okay. I mean, I live in Connecticut. I don't care if anybody knows where that is. But, but they were everywhere in Connecticut through the 80s. You know, all the way growing up as a kid through the 90s in high school like it was there. Yeah. Then all of a sudden, all but one closed. And, you know, so anytime I have a chance to get to that part of the state, and I haven't something to go look at it a job. I'm stopping there. And I'm having pizza. I

Scott Benner 1:00:56
understand. I was just in Connecticut. Last weekend. I did a speaking thing there. Oh, you did? I was in Stanford. Maybe?

John 1:01:02
Oh, Stanford. That's just about New York. That's far from me. That's that's like, with crazy with traffic. Yeah. I've

Scott Benner 1:01:09
also been to Connecticut one other time. And as soon as I got off the train, they were like, let me get you some pizza. And then they brought me to pizza. That doesn't look like the pizza I eat. And it was good. Yeah. Where were you in New Haven? I want to say maybe that's right, because I got off the train. Yeah, you probably were in New Haven, or Yeah. took me to this little hole in the wall and the Pete I remember the pizza being square was good.

John 1:01:32
Oh, yeah. So that was more of a deep dish probably Haven style. And I mean, we have good pizza. So But see, that's where I'm very fortunate like pizza for some people. If I know a couple of people, they have one slice of pizza. Boom. 300 days over. I can eat if I Bolus for it. I can eat four or five slices of pizza. And it's fine. Yeah.

Scott Benner 1:01:55
Part of me thinks you must have really good digestion. Do you have a Can I ask an uncomfortable question? Are you very regular, take what you would consider to be a lovely crap that you'd be happy to share with other people because of how lovely I would tell you.

John 1:02:07
If you asked my wife. There's always a bathroom emergency in our house. Like I'm always like, Oh, no, gotta go. So it's

Scott Benner 1:02:16
not it's not a beautiful process. You're sometimes you're like, I gotta go. This is like an emergency.

John 1:02:21
Right? Right now, like, we're in a store. She's like, and I'm like, she's like, again, like, Hey, I don't know what to tell you. My doctor always told me that. You know, I have a digestive system of like, a three month old baby. Whatever it goes in. You gotta make room for it. And it comes right back out. Like, I'm more or less rent my food. I don't really

Scott Benner 1:02:41
I mean, it's such a weird question. I don't know how to like, I don't know how to use. I don't know what words are right. Okay. Are we talking about like a, a properly firm?

John 1:02:52
Oh, yeah. It's not like it's not running. I mean,

Scott Benner 1:02:56
yes. Okay. Okay. But that is what I want to ask. I have, by the way, the crazy thing is that in an hour, I'm recording with a gut health specialist. Oh, okay. And so I was very, I very much think that people need this conversation, right? And so like, but how do you make it conversational, so that they can understand what's happening. So I said to the guy, I'm like, you know, I'll tell you what, you come on and talk to me, and help me and then you give me stuff to do. And then you can come back on and we'll talk about it again. And if it helps me, then I'll be comfortable telling other people about it. Right? Sure. And but now, I realize as this day approaches, all I can think about is I'm gonna have to discuss my bowel movements with this guy. And like, all this stuff that I'm like, Oh, why did I agree to this?

John 1:03:41
That is one thing that are somehow at our house. And I don't know why I've made because it's funny. It always leads to, we'll call it potty talk. Like, somehow Christmas dinner will lead to the other day. And it's funny, it's just the vagina. My God,

Scott Benner 1:04:00
can I call this one potty talk? Probably almost.

John 1:04:05
There you go, John.

Scott Benner 1:04:06
You feel like you have good digestion there. Your stomach doesn't hurt effete.

John 1:04:09
Nope, nope. I don't feel that I have any of those other like, just Yeah, sure. Yeah, whatever that other people tend to have. So that's good. But

Scott Benner 1:04:18
you what you're saying is you you offload when you unload? That's correct. Gotcha. All right. Here's my last question. I'm gonna let you go. Okay. I got a guy out of the house because I got some lights outside my house and they stopped work. Yep. And they're, they're these terrible like, you know, the lights that you think are a good idea. Like it gets sun it gets dusk and they come on and the sun comes up and they go fix it. They never fret and work for a long, you know, so I haven't come out of replacement like just put some regular lights on a Switch comes out. He does it works great. Three weeks later, doesn't work anymore. Okay. It's not the circuit breaker. It's not I changed the switch. It's not the switch. Like, I have no idea where to look and I've had a falling out with the person and I can't have them back. Okay. And by the way, I'll never be able to explain. I'm

John 1:05:09
going to ask you a dumb question. Go ahead. And it's not did you turn it off and turn it back on? Again? I'm not the cable company. What kind of a fixture did he put out there?

Scott Benner 1:05:18
I mean, there were put on a number of places on the house, they work everywhere else. It's just these three that are connected don't work all at the same time. It's just it's just the like, it's a ground. Yeah, yeah. Well, they're, they're just like, not not a flood. They're what you might consider, like something you'd see on the other side of her front door or something like

John 1:05:37
that. Okay, so a wall sconce?

Scott Benner 1:05:40
Yeah. Simple. Simple one bulb?

John 1:05:42
Are they led?

Scott Benner 1:05:45
No, they're screw in bulbs. Right. But

John 1:05:47
are they a screw in LED?

Scott Benner 1:05:49
I'd have to look.

John 1:05:51
Because I mean, anything can happen. But are those the only three controlled by that switch? Yes. So it's either the first one in the line? Because they would have had, you know, it's all daisy chained together. Right? Usually, odds are he didn't run three separate lines out there. It's all Daisy. Yeah, so odds are behind one of those fixtures, you could have a loose place. You could have, it could be a whole number of things. So depending on how handy you are, there's a lot of things you can check. You can check right, right in the light itself. You can carefully if you have if you have the prop, if you have a tester a meter, you can go in the light socket, touch the center pin and touch the outside and CPU voltage. There's a bunch of things you can do. Oh, okay, you could definitely call me on another day. And I could walk you through it. I

Scott Benner 1:06:42
need to figure it out. I just I, I'm not usually like a, we were having another thing. Like we had to have an outlet put in outside. Sure. And so I said, Hey, while you're out there, like let's replace these sconces. They suck. You know what I mean? Yeah. And he's like, okay, great. And then boom. Alright, so I'm looking for I'm looking for a loose wire, basically,

John 1:07:02
I would start with check for, first of all, very simple. Take the light bulb out, put it in a known area, that lamp and your house, make sure that doesn't work. Okay, if the light bulb works, then you know, that's not your issue, right? Then you have to check and see, do I have power. So go to the go to the fixture that's closest to the switch. Pull that off. And you can have some, you know, put a tester on it between the black and the white. And that's the important part, don't go to the bare copper wire. Because if one of your blood if your white wire is broken, or not made up good and not a good splice, you'll end up with an issue there too. And if you went from black to ground, you'd be like, Well, I have power. Well, you do. But you don't have a neutral.

Scott Benner 1:07:48
I have to tell you, I know that electricity is a simple concept. But anytime in my life, it's been explained to me. I don't follow it at all.

John 1:07:55
It is it isn't it isn't? I mean, think about it. This is the job that you can do, that I've been doing for about 25 years. I started while I was in high school. And one guy said to me once, why would you want to work with something that you can't see smell? Or feel that will kill you? Every day? Right, so

Scott Benner 1:08:19
Melania insulin, right? Oh, my God. All right, John, I appreciate you coming on sharing your story with me. I really do. This is fantastic. Yeah,

John 1:08:29
no, I, this has been kind of, I don't know, I should say I'm geeking out about this right now. But I it's been such a such an, you know, well, I don't want to say an honor. But kind of exciting for me for for you know, the time that I've when you reach out and hey, you want to be on the show till now. I almost couldn't wait for it. And then all of a sudden I

Scott Benner 1:08:53
don't know why you can't say it was an honor. But okay. Well,

John 1:08:56
I don't want to you know,

Scott Benner 1:08:58
I know it's just like, I was just teasing you. I don't I don't think it's an honor to be Oh, my God, unless, you know, you're at Yeah, at a story to a more to a larger quilt of information and conversations. And I think it's really important. So yeah, I appreciate you taking the time to do it very much.

John 1:09:18
No, thank you.

Scott Benner 1:09:19
I don't know if I'm calling this one loose wire or potty talk. But I want to remind people not to take John's electric advice because you end up dead I don't want to hear about it. That's right. Yeah, that's that should be a disclaimer. Nothing you hear on the Juicebox Podcast should be considered advice, medical or otherwise. I feel like it's covered anywhere you go. And I can't wait to dig into more about statins too. I'm glad you brought it up Jenny. I brought up the Jenny recently I don't know if the episodes out yet. But she kind of said like, don't get me started on that. And then she got started a little bit. So was national

John 1:09:52
funny thing too is these drugs that that people are all prescribed? I mean, my doctor, right? I've explained I love She's great. She won't take me off Metformin,

Scott Benner 1:10:02
when he just stopped taking it, although maybe it's helping you, she said that

John 1:10:07
there is because I said, Look, you know, I'm taking this medications and I take like seven pills a day. Okay? All kinds of stuff from, you know, whatever. Stuff that I don't even need to talk about more personal items too, but, but it's like, it's a lot of it has to do with diabetes. And I'm like, alright, but I'm also taking Metformin, which is a type two diabetic thing, and can we get rid of this? And she goes, Well, to be honest, the negative impact or she she's what she said was the positive impact far outweighs any negatives of you taking that medication. Well, she

Scott Benner 1:10:43
might like it for other reasons. Hey, listen, Metformin therapy may reduce the high risk of cardiovascular events and pre DM patients by reducing coronary a deal with Fikile iron dysfunction. Yeah, what uh, but I've heard over and over again, listen, there's a lot of bro science guys that take Metformin because they think it's a pill that helps you with longevity.

John 1:11:03
Yeah, weight loss, I think too, right? Yeah, it

Scott Benner 1:11:06
helps also a little bit. I don't want to say your for your weight. I was surprised about your totally total daily insulin. So maybe the Metformin is really helping you.

John 1:11:15
And it might Yeah, I don't I let's be honest, I I did lie a little bit when I said I take all my prescriptions where I'm supposed to, but the Metformin is the one that I always forget because that alone, that twice a day, I'm supposed to take it in that's an at night all by itself one and I always forget the nighttime

Scott Benner 1:11:36
really cracked me up. I don't know why. All right. Take your pills and find out what your TSH is to make sure you're medicating yourself properly. We'll do all right, man. Have a great day. Hold on for me. Thanks, Scott. My pleasure. Bye.

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Jenny 2:08
My name is Jenny and I live in Wisconsin. I was diagnosed with type one. And about it was Christmas Eve of 2021. Christmas Eve. It was horrible. Yeah. Yeah. So yeah, but I was at the time. 31 years old. So yeah, that kind of was very a jarring experience. I was also 30 weeks pregnant. No. Yeah. So it was just it was a very tumultuous time and I was in Ohio. There was a lot going on. I feel like was just

Scott Benner 2:48
did you say Ohio? Like just telling me you weren't at home at the time or because you have some problem with Ohio?

Jenny 2:55
No. We were traveling to see family and yeah, it just kind of everything hit the fan. Okay. On Christmas Eve when we were there.

Scott Benner 3:04
I was gonna say you're not from Wisconsin, are you?

Jenny 3:06
I am actually you were born there and raised? I was are you saying that? Because you don't hear an accent?

Scott Benner 3:12
I don't hear it the same way I expect it to be. Yeah.

Jenny 3:16
Well, if I said like bagel or bag, it's like the nasal a.

Scott Benner 3:22
That's probably you. You're a little more nasally and not as Canadian. Right?

Jenny 3:27
Well, I am from Madison. So it's like the southern part of Wisconsin, which is I think, a little bit it can be a different.

Scott Benner 3:35
Thanks, Madison like a college town? Yes.

Jenny 3:39
Isn't that where Jenny? She went to UW Madison.

Scott Benner 3:42
I don't tell Jenny's personal details on that. But my brother, my brother moved there when he was young and never came back.

Jenny 3:49
Oh, yeah. We love it. It's I grew up here. And then I actually went to Ohio State for school, okay, and then met my husband. And then after he completed grad school, we were like, Let's go anywhere in the country and live and like start our own world. And then he got a job at Madison, my hometown. So yeah, I know, it was like one of those things. And of course, his family was like, did you guys plan this? Like, are you trying to go to her family? Oh,

Scott Benner 4:16
there's no way his mom didn't think that you hooked him into that whole thing.

Jenny 4:20
I know. It was it was a complete shock to me. And we were just kind of being directed by his career path. So it was let me

Scott Benner 4:27
tell you how it went. She goes, she gets her friends together. And she goes, I'll tell you what she did. She waited till he had his advanced degree and she knew he could make some money and then he got her finish. Then she showed him the goods and then brought him back to Madison. That's exactly I know.

Jenny 4:41
That's exactly I'm pretty sure she's still 10 years and I think she still thinks that

Scott Benner 4:46
she's hilarious. Well, what bad luck I just love the idea of like, the world is our oyster. Let's go home. Exactly. Yeah. And for him. I mean, I don't know what's worth Ohio or Wisconsin like they both sound I mean, no offense, but

Jenny 4:58
no Well, it's funny you say that yesterday we had like, 70 degree day and today is 16. So stupid. It's like what the heck?

Scott Benner 5:08
I would imagine people would be running around on the streets yelling. I'm crazy. I feel crazy. Yeah. Well,

Jenny 5:14
yeah. Well, it is funny. It's like if you catch people like on a sunny day in Wisconsin in the winter versus like a cloudy, rainy, snowy, gloomy day, you get to different people. No, no,

Scott Benner 5:25
I am. I imagine that's true. Okay, so let's pick through this a bit. How many kids do you have?

Jenny 5:32
I actually just had my third at the beginning of this month. No, geez. Yeah. All right. So

Scott Benner 5:37
what how old are they? What are their ages? My

Jenny 5:39
son is three and a half. He'll be four and a couple months. And then my daughter is one and a half will be two. And then my son was just born out February's second. Wow.

Scott Benner 5:50
I don't I don't want to be crass. But you are pumping them out.

Jenny 5:55
I know. Yeah. We're, we're well aware of that. That's like our dynamic right now is just like we keep looking at each other. Like, what do we get ourselves into? Yeah.

Scott Benner 6:04
I mean, you should stop. I feel like you bought like a parakeet. And then you looked up and you had 10 of them. And you're like, I don't know why I did this.

Jenny 6:10
Well, that's the funny thing, too, is we also have two cats and a dog. And so it's like, literally like you look around and you're like this is a zoo. Like we're in a zoo. Do you work? No, I don't I after my daughter, my second child was born. I stayed home with the kids.

Scott Benner 6:25
So you're telling me that your food in the house? Like if you opened your cabinets right now there'd be food in it?

Jenny 6:33
I think so. Yeah. Okay. So

Scott Benner 6:34
you're telling me that if I get a grad degree somewhere and then moved to Wisconsin, I can take care of another person and three children, a couple of dogs and some other stuff. And do you live in a house? You do? Yeah. What the hell kind of magic places this? Right.

Jenny 6:51
Well, it's Yeah, I mean, it's, it is were kind of isolated out here in the wilderness, Wisconsin.

Scott Benner 7:00
My husband rides a cow to work and, yes, the milking. So yeah, but no, that's, that's astonishing. Like you couldn't live here with three kids. And one income?

Jenny 7:11
Oh, well. Yeah, it's actually funny, you say that Madison actually has a very high cost of living it just for our stories. Really, I think a lot of like, we got into our house right before a big like, the market, you know, kind of like a timing thing. I feel like it really worked out in our favor. Are we avoiding

Scott Benner 7:29
saying the husband's like a hedge fund manager or something like that? Like,

Jenny 7:33
no, not at all. So yeah, it was just it's, I feel like we we lucked into a lot of like timing things as well as just yeah,

Scott Benner 7:41
no. All right. Well, good for you. I mean, seriously, that's wonderful. Although you seem a little too comfortable making the babies I think maybe that should stop. I mean, you're not gonna have more kids. Sorry. Jen is like,

Jenny 7:54
well, I feel comfortable with three. My husband has always been like four to five. And so we're navigating? Do

Scott Benner 8:02
I have to be? Is he a prepper? Do I have to be looking out for this guy?

Jenny 8:06
Yeah, no, I don't know. I mean, it's just, I think it's kind of like he's literally has this dream of like, sitting at the end of like, a huge dining room table and looking around, it'd be like, This is my, you know, all my kids. Like my broom,

Scott Benner 8:18
he's gonna be at work while they're at the dining room table. And they're all going to be fighting over the last porkchop. So we better calm down.

Jenny 8:26
I think that is it is kind of a weird, you know, thing to think through of like, How many kids do you want? What type of parent and how involved you want to be and it's crazy.

Scott Benner 8:35
Have you ever considered maybe he doesn't understand how sex works? Maybe he just likes the sex part. What if you told him that it was possible to do it without making a baby? Do you think he'd be like, Oh, I don't need this many kids then.

Jenny 8:44
Yeah, I have to run through this and slides with him of like, this is how it all works.

Scott Benner 8:49
Yeah, I mean, I gotta tell you, I know a lot of boys. And if every time ended with a baby, each person would have 10,000 babies.

Jenny 8:58
That is, yeah, I one of my friends is like, you're just like fertile, Merle over there. What's going on? Like, okay. Oh, Jenny,

Scott Benner 9:04
are you trying to name your episode?

Jenny 9:08
This is so hilarious. It's like my husband's gonna die. He's like, Yeah,

Scott Benner 9:12
well, listen, he's got it. He's halfway to death. Now. He's probably exhausted from having sex. All right. Wait a minute. So you're the only type one is there any other autoimmune. My

Jenny 9:21
sister has celiac, which I was trying to think is that about it is, and weirdly, the same time I was diagnosed with type one, she was diagnosed with celiac and also very pregnant. So it's like, those are considered.

Scott Benner 9:39
Now when you said very pregnant or do you just mean towards the end of the pregnancy?

Jenny 9:43
Oh, no. Near the end of it. Oh,

Scott Benner 9:46
I wasn't sure if you were like she was so big. i You should have saw. Yeah. I wasn't sure if that's what you're going for. I

Jenny 9:51
have no place to speak to that was like, again the most way to my life and this last pregnancy. So Wow. New barriers.

Scott Benner 10:01
I'm a trendsetter, Scott. Exactly. So okay, so first, so you're 30 weeks pregnant 31 years old in 2021. And you get type one diabetes. So prior to that you were maybe around 28 ish and pregnant, maybe 26. And pregnant Is that about right? Doesn't need to be exact.

Jenny 10:20
This was actually my second point. Oh, that was your second. Sorry. No, it gets very muddled because I literally was like, I think I've been pregnant or breastfeeding, like, more time than I've not. I mean,

Scott Benner 10:31
slow down. Maybe, maybe give your nipples and your Bucha break or second reverse.

Jenny 10:38
Screaming the same thing.

Scott Benner 10:42
By the way, I found a way to say that it doesn't have to be believed. But yeah, I think that's I think that can stay with it. But seriously, like, Jesus Christ, Will you calm down?

Jenny 10:54
I know. I know. So yeah. Well, it what was interesting was because I actually so we found out with my daughter, we are pregnant in like July of 21.

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Jenny 14:11
A actually ran a half marathon, like while pregnant. And then right after that was the gestational diabetes test. And it came back like slightly elevated. I actually just looked the other day and it was like my ANC was six. Oh, and so they were like, Oh, you have gestational diabetes. So like they're like let's, you know, try to work on your eating and then we'll retest you. And then they did that a couple of weeks later. And they were like, Oh, this is like a I don't even know what they call it like a strong case of gestational diabetes. So you need insulin. And so when I we are going to Ohio for Christmas, I was already like use it. I think it was just that long acting insulin at that time. It was just kind of like a low level dose. And I don't even think anyone was looking at the numbers. It was just kind of like You just need a little help with your numbers. And so using that my son had gotten norovirus at the beginning of December, and then passed it to me right as we were leaving for Christmas to go down to Ohio. And so they actually believe that is what triggered my T one D diagnosis. Is

Scott Benner 15:19
it not possible that that wasn't gestational diabetes, that it was just an a slow onset of type on

Jenny 15:23
it, but the weird thing is, is so when all this was happening, so it was basically like the drive down to Ohio, we stopped to eat somewhere, and I like randomly checked my sugar. And it was like, over 200 And I had never seen that before. And so I had been on the phone with the doctors. By that time we driven all the way to Ohio, my sugar was climbing three 400. And they were like, You need to go to the emergency department. And so we ended up going there. And then I was basically in DKA. And so they did all of this testing over Christmas Eve to Christmas. I vivid had this vivid memory of waking up at like, five whenever a doctor's round, you know, really early in the morning 5am On Christmas Day, and these doctors are like huddled in my hospital room. And that like the lights are off because I'm sleeping obviously. And it's so it's like dark and moody. And let's do one doctor like sees that I'm like kind of awake. And he's like, we think you have type one diabetes. He's like, you go back to sleep. We'll like talk about it later. I was like,

Scott Benner 16:28
why I don't think you understand how sleep works. But okay. So

Jenny 16:32
but then because of that, like, I don't even know how they came to it. They did all this other testing, but I don't have the antibody or type one. Okay. So they were very hesitant to label me. And they were just like, we don't know if this is just like your gestational diabetes going wacko or what, but like, we're gonna put you on more insulin. But like I said, we were in Ohio. And so it was like this moment where like, I don't want to be stuck in Ohio while this is getting sorted out. But they had brought my sugar down. But it wasn't stable at all. I didn't know that at the time. But it was basically I think they just like kind of gave me a bunch of insulin and they were like, we'll write you a prescription you should get home and like get this figured out with your primary care provider. And so,

Scott Benner 17:20
because we don't want to deal with you, right.

Jenny 17:22
And to be fair, I think we were a little persistent in wanting to leave too because it was like, Yeah, we weren't home. It was Christmas. My son was like, one, you know, he's like, unaware. So anyways, we leave my family in Ohio, jump in the car, we're trying to call these pharmacies to like, get my prescription filled, that's like on the route home. And so we're like in the boonies of Indiana. And I'm like picking up this insulin prescription I've never used before I pick up the insulin, and they didn't tell me that I would need to also get syringes. And so then we had by that time I had gotten on the road, I'm like looking in the bag. And I'm like, how do you put this file of stuff into your body. And so it was just like a really ridiculous situation. So then we had to stop again to get needles. And so then I'm like, This is so bizarre, I have a bag of needles, you know, as we're driving along. And so by this point, my sugar's are again, uncontrolled. The doctors are checking in, because obviously, I'm 30 weeks pregnant, they're concerned about the baby, they're concerned about me. And we get to Chicago, like the Chicago area, and I'm on the phone with our doctor in Madison, which is like an hour and a half away. And they're like, We don't feel comfortable telling you to come to us, you should go to emergency room in Chicago. And I'm like, they

Scott Benner 18:43
didn't want you to wait, that. I mean, it's only a couple hour ride. Right? Exactly. That's

Jenny 18:47
what we were thinking. But I was like, I have my son like, we're literally not gonna check into this hospital. It's an hour and a half away from our house. And you guys know what's going on. Like, it just didn't make sense. But I think they were just really trying to kind of cover themselves with like, your sugar's high, we want you to go. So we ended up with they literally made me say, I acknowledge that I'm going against medical advice. And we drive the hour and a half, like call my dad, and I'm like, can you come get my son and so they literally meet us in the hospital parking lot. I go in, I get admitted. I'm once again in DKA. And they basically just triage me there and try to bring my sugar down again. And I really this is sort of hazy for me because I don't I was very still unaware. I didn't know what type one was. There was no that the doctor in Ohio who was like we'll have a discussion later that discussion never happened. So it was just like, I had no clue what was going on. And they ended up coming to the same conclusion of like, even though you didn't test for antibodies, we think you have type one, but again, for some reason, and this is so bizarre to me is I was in the hospital for one day, and they sent me down to the diabetes clinic. Like to like get, you know, the schpeel. And I was so still so sick, like, I remember feeling so nauseous the whole time that the provider is speaking to me. And then they literally wheeled my wheelchair out and they're like, Okay, we're going to discharge you because you have all the things you need. And that literally, as my husband goes to the parking ramp to get the car, I started vomiting. And they, they said, Okay, you know, I think you're still getting things out of your system, they clean me up and sent me on my way, that

Scott Benner 20:29
the technical term for it, or, you know, the bad out, don't worry.

Jenny 20:36
But then of course, like, because I was so not sure that I wasn't, you know, taking in any information from the provider, I didn't have a clue what to do with my insulin or anything. My sugars once again, climate at home. So then I'm on the phone with the hospital, and they were like, You need to come back in. And so then finally, I think something clicked for all of us. And it was like, we can't just have like a overnight stay for you. So basically, I was admitted for the hospital, and then ended up being about a 10 day stay. Because I with the norovirus, and it was still kind of pandemic time, it weren't sure if it was like COVID, or like if there was, you know, crazy reactions or something. And I ended up having these really severe migraines, and I've never had a migraine in my life. And so that kind of sent them on this trajectory of like, Do you have a thought I had, like a spinal cord injury for some bizarre reason. Like,

Scott Benner 21:33
I'm not laughing. I listen, my mom died in Wisconsin in the hospital. And I'm just I'm just saying, it's not as surprising to me.

Jenny 21:42
Okay, so well, and I think I don't know if I wasn't communicating to them. Well, but so I ended up getting, I had an MRI, I had a chest X ray, a CT, and a spinal tap, altered, like literally, they're like, We rolled out absolutely everything that could be wrong with you. We just think you have diabetes. It was like you

Scott Benner 22:04
have really good insurance where they like, ooh, pay day.

Jenny 22:08
So I don't know. And I actually was chuckling because I was looking through my chart yesterday. And they also tested me for West Nile virus. Like

Scott Benner 22:16
they were like this suckers got good insurance, see if she's got West Nile virus. I mean, now that all the badness is out of her, she's still sick. It doesn't make sense. It could be Spinal Bifida.

Jenny 22:28
So yeah, and this whole time again, because it was pandemic time, I couldn't have any, like visitors for prolonged periods of time. And so was like this 10 day span where I didn't see my son, I'm super pregnant. I couldn't see my husband and like, he wasn't allowed in with any of the procedures for like, I got a spinal tap by myself. Like, I just remember, like sobbing throughout the whole procedure, because I was just so overwhelmed. So like, What the heck is going on? But yeah, so then

Scott Benner 22:58
they say, it

Jenny 22:59
was a pretty horrific experience,

Scott Benner 23:03
after these people by luck didn't kill you in that hospital. And let's just say, that's exactly what happened. You just luckily survived their care. After that happened. You got to learn about type one diabetes, and you're 30 weeks. I don't know how to do all the consensus, but four times nine to me seems like it might be. Let's see is that 36? So you were like about ready to make an M plus, you've already pushed out one kid. So this one's going to come out more timely. And right.

Jenny 23:35
Oh, right. So it was like an I also actually forgot to mention in the midst of this, like, I don't think it was the drive from Ohio to Wisconsin. But it was very shortly after I got checked in maybe the second or third trip to the hospital that I was told that my provider for my like, what do they call it? Oh, the gynecologist and the oncology, the people who are like, basically watching my baby. She sent me a message and the my chart thing and was like, we're dropping you as a client because you have type one. And so you need 30 specialists specialty care. Yes. And I remember being like, Is this a joke? And like, again, you know, waterworks, like, everything was just like falling apart, basically. And so and then, you know, it was just chaos. And so what ended up happening is I like was like bawling to the providers in the hospital. And they realize, like, there's just poor communication. It was like, they were trying to transfer my care to the specialty clinic, but it just, it came out super wrong. And

Scott Benner 24:40
so we're dropping you as the client is now it came out. Well,

Jenny 24:44
and yeah, at this point, I'm still working. And so I had told my employer that I was like, not able to come into work, but then they're like, Okay, when are you coming back? And I didn't know. But then I also started they are saying, well, now that you're high risk pregnancy, you're going to have to have two appointments a week. weak, and you know, so it was just like, they had no concept that this would just be like, life altering for me. And so I just felt like two and a half weeks of just complete, like, horrible, like overwhelming emotion

Scott Benner 25:14
overwhelming note, no idea what's happening, your health still isn't balanced well, but are they addressing your type one at that point like, are you on Basal insulin? Are you learning how to do those things is that even

Jenny 25:26
I have this memory of like this, it was like three different providers coming in and drawing this same chart on the whiteboard in my room of like, what Basal insulin does and what bolusing does, and it's like, just, you know, like, the Basal is kind of this flat line on the bottom. And then when you Bolus, it's like this wavy line. And that's really like, kind of my core memory from what I remember, fully. So I guess at this point, I had a I was very suspicious. Like, the doctors and just like the care, I just felt like it had been horrific up until this point, but then it was like a complete one ad and I started going to this. So my maternal fetal medicine doctor, who also they coordinate with a CD. And she was like, This is my full time job. I only see pregnant women, like, I'm gonna get you through this, right? And she was like, an angel. And I've actually been able to work with her. And then for my third pregnancy as well. And it just, it was like, night and day. She understood it. Like she understood how overwhelmed I was, she got me, like the correct doses. And really just honestly, by eyeballing she's like, Okay, this is like your height and weight. This is where you've been your sugars. Like, let's start here, and it was almost like perfect settings from the get go. For me.

Scott Benner 26:45
It's surprising what you can accomplish when you know what you're doing.

Jenny 26:49
So that was like, it was almost like, Are you real? Like, I just have had such a horrible experience with other things. That

Scott Benner 26:57
was just the kid came out. Okay, this didn't hurt the kid too bad. Yeah, so

Jenny 27:01
the only thing is, she was like, a little bit bigger than my first baby. And of course, they're like, well, like people diabetes have big babies. And that was like, I don't think that's always true. But so that was kind of what they checked. Yeah,

Scott Benner 27:14
I mean, yes. And at the same time, you didn't really like you were having impacts from diabetes throughout the pregnancy, you didn't really know it until they got to, you know, look at your A once he went and said it was like around six, and then all this, like, what's the cascading timeline from the first time that somebody says to you, you have, you know, gestational diabetes, until you realize you have type one, like, how much time goes in between there? So

Jenny 27:39
I think I was diagnosed with gestational diabetes of like, October of 21. And then Christmas Eve of 21. A couple more months. Yeah. But it was probably going on before that, too. Right. It was just I think, I don't think they test you for gestational until around them. But

Scott Benner 27:59
you think that norovirus pushed you over the edge, I got the whole thing running. That's

Jenny 28:02
what they they claim, I honestly have no idea. And at this point that like it literally was like they're like, you don't have the antibodies for type one. But like, we're just going to treat you as if you have type one and move on. Because this has just been horrible. So and my sweet husband, like cut filed multiple complaints with the hospital was just like this has been a horrific experience. And their response was, because you're not the patient, like we understand we hear your complaints, but we can't follow up because you're not the patient. Sorry,

Scott Benner 28:33
we can't talk to you. You're not the person we're trying to kill. Can you get them on the line? Well, no, she can't talk to you right now. Because you're in the middle of trying to kill her. And it's taken a lot out of her. Exactly.

Jenny 28:42
And to be fair, like I actually, I think our health system here is like, pretty great. It does. I think it actually recently listening to a lot of your whistleblower episodes on things. It's just like, you know, I think type one is just not on the forefront of a lot of providers minds. And so it's,

Scott Benner 29:00
I think I've come to believe that people are very good at the thing they're very good at. And then when you take them too far off of that, it turns into what you just described. Yeah. And then you had too many things going on. So, you know, I'm saying that, yeah, you had too many things going on to the confusion. Everybody gets pulled off their focus. nobody quite knows what they're talking about. They're all bumping into each other. You know, they're privately hoping one of the other doctors figures it out while it's happening. Yeah, they're like, maybe she'll get it. Laid back for a second. We'll tell them. Yeah, maybe you could figure it out with the internet and get back to us. Right, exactly. Okay, yeah, we're all in trouble. But that's that's not a discussion. You're enjoying the whistleblower episodes? Oh,

Jenny 29:42
yeah. I think. Yeah, it's especially interesting. So I also weirdly worked for the hospital system that I was receiving care from too. Okay, so as does my husband currently. So it's a very it funny dynamic, but we both are on the like, finance business side of things. We're not clinicians at all. Yeah. And so it's a very, it was a very interesting time for that. And like moving forward, I've actually shared some of the whistleblower episodes with my husband, and we kind of just like, chat about them, just because he actually works in the emergency department. But on the business side, so he has this interesting perspective of like, he knows a lot about the clinician, like, medical side, but his head is in the business world. So he sees both sides. So I

Scott Benner 30:31
don't want to say this publicly. But it sounds like your husband would be a good guest on those podcasts.

Jenny 30:39
Definite, oh, my gosh, it's gonna give him such a big head. No, I mean,

Scott Benner 30:42
if he knows the business side of the ER and wants to be anonymous,

Jenny 30:46
I'll run it by him. I mean, I do have to say he is he's a very good employee. I think that he, he's very fair. Like, I always look,

Scott Benner 30:58
I want to be clear, I'm not looking for people that don't each other. I just want to hear what's going on, you can all decide what to make of it on your own. It's not up to me. Yeah, yeah. And I also think that it shouldn't, I genuinely believe it shouldn't dissuade people from seeking out healthcare. Like, that's not my point, either. I just really am starting to think that you need to find the person who knows what they're doing. Like, if you go to the ER, you need to go to the ER with an ER thing. Like I banged my head on something, a car hit me, my leg snapped in half. These are er, things like they work great. Like I'm vomiting and I can't stop. And I don't know why they'll calm your stomach down and help you get through it. But if you want something after that from them, they don't have that. And nuance is lost on them sometimes as well. Oh,

Jenny 31:42
for sure. And I think what was at least interesting for myself, but also my husband was I think my diagnosis and just the struggle to like get clarity from what was going on, was very eye opening for both of us, because I think my husband had some health issues. But like, up until that point, I feel like I just went to the doctor, because that was like, oh, once a year, you're supposed to go to make sure you're not dying kind of thing. And like so. But this diagnosis, like totally just like tore that apart of just like, I think I had almost blindly trusted like, Oh, this is a doctor, they'll help me and like, while I still think that's true, I do think, you know, it's like I have like a diagnosis that is just not well understood by the, like, common doctor, I guess. And so I think that I had never experienced anything like that. And for I think for both of us, it was like, Whoa, like, you do have to be your own advocate. Because otherwise they'll just like you said, take you down this crazy winding path. And you're like, how did we get here?

Scott Benner 32:43
million percent 1,000,000%. Jenny, what I see happen. And I think it's pretty common, right is like urine. If you're lucky, and you get through your teens in your early 20s, you're not a sick person, then health is not a thing you think about right? Eat what you want, you're fine, nothing goes wrong, etc, you get into their 30s and something maybe sputters a little bit. And you do have that feeling like, well, I'll go to the magic person, the magic person will take care of me, right? Like, I'll go to the witch doctor, and she'll just sprinkle something over my head. And I'll feel better when it's over. And then when you start having things that are layered or difficult or chronic, and you realize that's not what this system is built for. Like I have to go find a specialist. But even often then a specialist is just a person who is working in a more focused system, but it's still a system. It's not a thinking person's game. Meaning how do I mean that they know the steps they're going to take? They know them before you get there. It's not unique to you. They don't listen to you in your store. You come in you go I have this happening. Oh, well, this is step one, when someone says that to me, right now. And that's it and you think they're, you think they're having some like, like deep personal connection with you. And you you come to realize later that 45 minutes after you leave, they don't remember you or the next time you come back. They do not recall having seen you before. You know, so that's the real world you're in then.

Jenny 34:07
Yeah. Yeah. Which is interesting that you mentioned that too, because for the brief period that I wasn't, I guess actually that's not true. I was gonna say I wasn't pregnant, but I was

Scott Benner 34:20
always pregnant.

Jenny 34:22
Yeah, just let that go. When I was diagnosed with type one, I had 10 weeks left in the pregnancy, I was just doing shock. And so then when I we found out we were pregnant with my third, I was like, I think I want to go on a pump. And I had just basically recently found out I was pregnant. I was like, okay, perfect time I'll just I want to do Omni pad. And so I reached out to my regular endo at the time, who I didn't have a great relationship with they were very they're very conservative. It's just the kind of like don't die management philosophy. I had gotten gotten that vibe from them. I reached out to get a pump. First of all, there was like no response like from their office, I had messaged them I had called. And they were just like, yeah, we're working through the orders. And I had to follow up multiple times. And finally, it came to this point where I got this provider on the phone. And they were like, We don't want to give you a pump, because it looks like from your data that you're having a lot of lows. And I was like, but what did you read, the reason why I wanted a pump was to, like eliminate these lows and to like, have more control. And they were like, well, we don't feel comfortable until you can show us that your management is like, good to get on that pump. And so they basically put up a roadblock where I was approved through insurance, and everything was a go, and they were like, we just need your doctor's basically the prescription. And then I believe everything Oh,

Scott Benner 35:43
thank you, right needs to understand what she's doing before we help her to understand what he's doing. Okay, so

Jenny 35:49
yeah, well, and have gone through all of my hospital ordeal and everything. I was like, at this point, I completely understood I needed to be my own advocate. So I ended up filing a complaint against my endo office. And that like was hilarious. It, like went up the totem pole immediately. And the next day, I got three calls from the endo office, and they were basically like, what can we do to help you along in this process, like, and it was just total, you

Scott Benner 36:19
know, we just got in trouble. So we're very willing to do our jobs. And

Jenny 36:23
so it was literally like I had worked like almost a month to get any response from that, like, figure out why they were sapping my pump orders to them. Within two days. I had the order at the pharmacy, and we were on our way. So,

Scott Benner 36:37
man, it doesn't, yeah, let me ask you a question. Because your younger person, right? Does that also prize you? Like, did you find that all shocking that that's how it works? Or how it worked for you? I mean, it doesn't work like that everywhere. It's some people are very good at their job. I'm not saying otherwise. Sure. But there's that level of apathy and incompetence. At a medical situation. Like, were you stunned by that?

Jenny 37:01
It was very discouraging, for sure. Because, again, I think it really burst my bubble of like, these doctors are like, I don't know, it was almost like, are you even on my side here, like, it felt like I was fighting them rather than like, fighting with them. Yeah. And that was an uncomfy. Feeling. Like I just Yeah, someone

Scott Benner 37:23
in my family is going through something very similar. Right now it's more insurance related, but at the same time, to see the apathy from the doctor is also very interesting. So this person, I'm not going to identify them. So it doesn't matter. But this person is been told they're pre diabetic for a year and a half now. And their agencies creeping up. So about a year ago, now, they gave her a GLP medication, and it starts helping, right, losing weight agencies coming down, everything's great. Well, then the insurance industry realizes that everybody wants a GLP medication. And they stop it. They're like, No, no, you can't write it off label. It's for type twos only. So you know, type twos, if you want ozempic, or Manjaro, you have to have type two, if you want, we go V or is that bound, you have to have a weight issue, right? This is how it has to be. They take it from her, it completely goes backwards, right? Once he starts going up again, she's working out like crazy EatingWell doing all these things like barely, like making a dent in anything, right? Like a one see, I think move down like point two from like, working out like a fiend. And just goes back to the doctrine says, Look, you know, I got, I got small children. I'm trying as hard as I can. I think you can see that I am. It's not working. I need this GLP I don't want to die. Like you know, like, start giving her the whole like, you know, story. And the doctor goes, Yeah, well, I wish I could, but your insurance won't cover it. Because you don't have type two diabetes. If we can get your agency up a little bit and get you some type two diabetes, then we'll get you the GLP and you'll be fine. And I know that's an insurance thing. It the problems and insurance thing. But the way the doctor talked to her about it, I was insulted by it. Like, you know what I mean? Like, oh, nothing I can do. I mean, just continue to get sicker. And then we'll work it out later. Right? And I'm like, oh my god, like so. The problem is this person's insurance won't cover we go virasat bound for weight loss because they would qualify for that. Yeah. But their insurance won't pay for it. And then the doctor says this absolutely floored me. Here's a brochure for a comprehensive weight loss program run by you'll never guess who bariatric surgeons. So you get to go to them. Give them all your money that you would have been happy to pay your copay on for we go over here is that bound or something that would have liked setup should have been 50 pounds lighter in six months. If they want to give her the shrug right? Instead we'll go to them. I'll work out hard not lose a bunch of weight and then they're going to suggest to me II that I have, you know, gastric bypass surgery, which my insurance will pay for? Yeah. So she goes like, well, what if I just like I don't want something that invasive, I just want to try to shoot the juice and see what happens. You know what I mean? Sorry, now, we'll put all that money somewhere else, but we won't put it where it will help you immediately. Right? So they're gonna torture her for a year, then tell her Oh, it didn't work what you did, let's cut you open now make your stomach the size of a thimble. So you can drink four ounces of juice a day. Right? And we'd be happy to pay for that.

Jenny 40:32
Yeah, I mean, well, and even it's wild to me, like the procedures, not only that, but insurance and every other hoops, you have to jump through there. But even like, I've been in the hospital quite frequently with having babies or DK or whatever, but the like protocols that they feel like that are mandated, you know, to the nurses, like I had a low at the hospital when I was just had my son a couple weeks ago. And the nurse looks at me and she says, okay, protocol demands that you drink to juice boxes. And I was like to like, you know, I said, I, you know, I had my Dexcom on I have been treating, and I had like gummy worms or something like by the bedside, and I've been eating it. Like, I like to just see kind of where we level out here. Right? She's like, Okay, I'll give you a couple minutes, but I'm gonna come back. And if it's not what I think it was, like they wanted it to be up at 8590, then we're gonna have to do the to do just boxes. And it was like this moment where I was like, You're acting like these two juice boxes are like, okay, for every situation ever, a law of the universe. And it was just it's so interesting. Like, it just is weird. No,

Scott Benner 41:43
it's the same thing though. Jenny, you're saying the same thing that I just said. She is saying to you. I don't care what would actually help you. This is what we do in this situation. Right? No one can think. And maybe that's smart. Maybe Maybe taking the ability to think away from people is valuable. Because maybe when they think they get it wrong, like I don't know. But like, you're not letting people think I go to a, you know, my kids go to an endocrinologist that is like a cash pay endocrinologist. I talked about this all the time, right. Our insurance covers that later. But we pay up front and our insurance coverage afterwards, you get an hour long. When you go into ser you sit for an hour and you have a conversation and she talks to you about everything in your life, and she listens to you. And then she tries to figure out how to help you. She doesn't say oh, that thing you just mentioned, that makes me go to step one here on this flowchart. You drink two juice boxes now. And you go I don't think I need to juice boxes. And she goes that matter? Right? The flowchart says to juice box, and then your blood sugar gets real high. And then she would have come back in and been like, well, we'll wait three hours and see if that comes down.

Jenny 42:47
Well, right, or they're surprised that they have people living with type one in the world who don't know what they're doing. Because they're, you know, it's like they get told these protocols that should work. And it's like, but it was it was an interesting dynamic to that. I just, I feel like I sound like I'm crazy. I'm pregnant all the time. But from my second pregnancy to my third pregnancy, how differently I went about the process granted, my second pregnancy, I was 10 weeks at a diagnosis. So I didn't really know what was going on. So I pretty much trusted their guidance. Yeah. And I, I think I had a low when I had my second praise and my daughter right after diagnosis. And their response was oh, okay, like, we obviously need to treat this low because I woke up sweating. I knew I was low. And they said, we'll get you a peanut butter sandwich. And I was like, okay, and you know, then it dragged out for like, 40 minutes because this peanut butter sandwich is like doing nothing. But then it was so it was just so I had that experience in my head. So then when I got pregnant, my third, it was like from the get go, I was like, I need certain things written in by chart. They were like, Oh, we'll get to that. You know, later on in the pregnancy. I was like, no, please do it

Scott Benner 44:03
now. So I don't end up waiting an hour and a half for a peanut butter sandwich to bring up a 60 butcher. Exactly.

Jenny 44:08
So I think I kind of developed this reputation. Like, it was funny, you know, the first time I would meet a doctor I was very adamant about like, I didn't want a diet restriction that I had that is in the hospital. And I wanted to control my own pump and Dexcom and so they like the first time it was very short. You could tell the doctor was very affronted. But then every subsequent appointment I had afterwards she's like, Okay, we have the notes just so you know, it was like you could just tell she didn't want to upset me but I was like, if this is what it takes that I have this like reputation in this, you know, baby area, like being a witch, like Sorry, but like it was.

Scott Benner 44:51
Is that how you felt that they looked at you like that? Like I felt like

Jenny 44:53
they thought I had very strong opinions to the point borderline like she's a little you know, all heard about it and it was like well asked me why I'm touchy. Like, I've had these horrible experiences. And, but and then it was interesting, even now, a couple weeks ago being in the hospital having I had a C section. So then I was in the hospital for a couple days afterwards, the shift change and nurses like some of the nurses were very willing to hop on board. And they're like, seems like you have things under control. I'm here for your support.

Scott Benner 45:24
Jenny, can I ask a question real quick, you had to have a C section with the third one didn't pop out like, like he was sliding into second. Like what happened? Well, I

Jenny 45:32
had a C section with my second because she was projected to be like over 10 pounds. She ended up not being but and so then they kind of just said like, it's your call, but we kind of recommend a repeat C section and my recovery with the C section with my second was so amazing. So I was like, Yes, I am. I

Scott Benner 45:51
gotcha. I gotcha. That makes more sense. I figured those kids were just coming out like paratroopers in World War Two at this point. But I got Yeah,

Jenny 45:57
no, not at all. So and actually, I went to the date of my C section with both of my C section kiddos. So yeah. Do

Scott Benner 46:06
you think right now that people are picturing a world war two movie where just troopers are just jumping out of this big airplane and opening up there? Because that was my intention when I said it. Right. I hope that's where you're all at right now in your mind, just these hundreds of parachutes coming out of this big hole. That's what I'm Yeah, that's what I want you to think about. Meanwhile, isn't that lovely and amazing, right. So I'd like to if I could with the time we have left, I want to go through your your third pregnancy. Yeah. So we see here how you set it up? You know, you got your notes ahead of time you made sure everybody knew your expectations. But then how did it actually go? I know you've got now you've got a second go round with this. The high risk pregnancy people, which you said you had a good experience with them, too. But I just want to know, like, I guess I'd like to know, like visit the visit month to month. What was your actual like real life lived experience? Yeah, it makes sense. Yeah. Okay.

Jenny 46:59
It was interesting, I think, Well, I think there was a lot of factors like, so I got on the pump, I think when I was like, maybe 10, between 10 and 15 weeks pregnant. So for the majority of my pregnancy, I was on Omnipod. And again, with my provider, the Maternal Fetal Medicine CD, she was like, a godsend for settings. She was just like, let's try here, and I'll look at it in two days. And if it's, you know, going wonky, we'll fix it right away. And so I just, I really relied on her to, like, help kind of navigate that. And so I feel like from appointment to appointment, it was how they do it is I would meet with a CD, and then I would have like a doctor visit afterwards to check out baby and everything. And like, the CD appointment, it was amazing. I loved her. And then the doctor, they would like kind of try to go into talking about my sugars. And I was like, nope, like, if I have a problem, I'll go talk to the CD. And I'm like, Oh, okay. But so I think I just I had such confidence in my support that I just was able to kind of move through. When I found out I was pregnant. My ANC was like a 6.2. And with the help of the CDE I was like 5.4 to 5.6 my entire pregnancy. Wow. Like it got better. I think she's better a diabetes.

Scott Benner 48:23
Well, you hadn't had that long, right? Yeah,

Jenny 48:26
I mean, it was like a little over a year. Okay, so So let's

Scott Benner 48:30
pause for a second for the first year that you were managing on your own. You had like a six what it wants to, like a six.

Jenny 48:36
I think I was 6.2. That's very good.

Scott Benner 48:38
Now, do you think there was a honeymoon in there? Or was this just you with managing? Well, I

Jenny 48:42
would say it's, I don't I don't know what you call it. It's, I'm not one of those people that like has like 400 to 60 or whatever, but I would definitely say I think my onesie is probably skewed a little bit because I think I fluctuate probably a little too much. Okay, so I think my management was okay, but I think it was probably my agency look maybe a little bit better than then it

Scott Benner 49:02
really was. Should have been going away with something here. Okay, so your first year, but do you think you were honeymooning or no.

Jenny 49:09
They never said that. I

Scott Benner 49:10
was Did you ever had that feeling? Like I can't believe how little insulin I'm using or I didn't need help with insulin today like I did yesterday?

Jenny 49:17
No, I haven't. And I've been super sensitive to insulin since diagnosis. So I've always had very little so even during pregnancy I feel like my amounts that she was like this is nothing are most pregnant lady. So

Scott Benner 49:32
in that first year, when you're when your blood sugar is too fast laid up in town, what was the like? Did you know why it was happening? You just couldn't like bring yourself to change it or did you not know? Yes,

Jenny 49:43
I knew it was me. I'm lazy. It was like I like I I still to this day, probably I'm not a great car counter. So it was like I would look at a plate of food and be like, eight units, and then it would be wrong. It was Like last correction, I would just, you know, and even when I was with this maternal fetal medicine CD II, she was like, you're making this way harder on yourself. I see you correcting all the time. And I was like, Yeah, I just she's like, just input your carbs. And I was like, but I just haven't never counted. So it's me. It's it's me. Is

Scott Benner 50:22
that a is that a Taylor Swift song? It's the problem. That's me, right? Yeah, yeah. Oh, maybe that could be you know, I'm really going to call this one fertile Myrtle. So I am sorry.

Jenny 50:33
Don't you already have an episode titled that?

Scott Benner 50:35
I have an episode called fertile Myrtle and I'm not aware of it.

Jenny 50:39
Is that possible? That's not true. Maybe I was. Let's look

Scott Benner 50:43
because I think I need I need to help if that's the case. Let me go to the place where I maybe

Jenny 50:49
I just alternate my podcast.

Scott Benner 50:52
By the way, the podcasts so close to 16 million downloads right now. Very exciting. Oh, my goodness. Okay, hold on. You're saying that the word fertile?

Unknown Speaker 51:01
No, yeah. Not

Scott Benner 51:03
even fertile.

Jenny 51:04
Alright, hold on. Well, yeah, manifesting it that this will be an episode.

Scott Benner 51:08
I mean, am I spelling fertile? Wrong? I can't be. Maybe like, I'd have to be an idiot if I couldn't do that. So. And Myrtle? No, I'm sorry. We do not have one. We will. Oh, don't you worry. Okay, well, so on the problem. It's me is everybody. I mean, for everything you don't mean? Like, it's, I hear what you're saying. So what you're not, you're not counting your carbs was most of your problem?

Jenny 51:33
Yeah, well, because then I would just be guessing. And so it was like, even like, they just didn't have any good data. Because they were like, Why did you do eight units here. And I was like, I don't know. Like, it was Tuesday. I also begged, like, being a stay at home parents, I think is a little bit different lifestyle because I I am able to have my phone around me and I can like take a peek at my blood sugar's like, pretty much whenever I want to. So I'm able to do micro corrections fairly easy. Whereas if I think if I was distracted, or at high pace, you know, different environment, I might not be able to do that. And it would maybe forced me to be a little more accurate.

Scott Benner 52:14
Jenny, can I can I pretend to be a therapist for a second and ask a couple of questions. Is it possible you are maybe not just trying to like not throw yourself headlong into this thing? Like, were you trying not to have diabetes? The best you could? That makes sense? Probably

Jenny 52:28
Well, I also probably think it's like, having two little ones running around. Like I think prioritizing myself was probably a big issue. Like, you know, just setting aside time, whether it is ahead of time just to learn the stuff or even just during the day, like it was just

Scott Benner 52:45
putting everything before yourself.

Jenny 52:48
Probably and that not really in a murder. So it's more of just like, Yeah, I would say it's more lazy than these, like,

Scott Benner 52:55
you don't want to be given me too much credit here for caring about it. It's got a lot more to do with a puzzle game I have on my phone and how much I love it.

Jenny 53:05
Right? Yeah, it's just like, I'm like, kind of obsessed with food. So it's like, I would just want to eat at that. Pre-Bolus And so it's just has that

Scott Benner 53:12
been your whole life? Your the way you feel about it the way the way you feel about food? Yeah,

Jenny 53:19
I think it's a kind of a running joke in my family. Like, I don't know, there's like, the the stupid one Halloween there. My mom always put out this glass jar of like candy pumpkins. Like I'm carefully over sharing this but and she like I opened the jar to take one and she was like, only one Jenny and I like it shove like five in my mouth. And I was like, Oh, I didn't hear you. And like my brother to this day will like, tell me that story. And he's like, that's just like, in my mind forever is like you. He's like, I don't know why. It's just I don't know, food is just big for me.

Scott Benner 53:59
Can I ask a question that's in delicate?

Jenny 54:02
Sure. I think I know what your what do

Scott Benner 54:04
you think my question is gonna be that way it gets me out of saying good.

Jenny 54:07
That's wait been an issue for you throughout your life? Yeah, I was gonna say something like that. No. I've never been like stick them in. But no, I'm like a nice Wisconsin girl. I

Scott Benner 54:18
was gonna say because Wisconsin thin is a different thing than regular thin. So

Jenny 54:22
yeah, but no, I've definitely I've never, I don't think I've always been like probably a little chubby. But to say that, but nothing like,

Scott Benner 54:30
I'll probably get a little chubby.

Unknown Speaker 54:32
Is that a thing?

Scott Benner 54:33
I mean, I don't know. Like, I'm just trying to gather facts. I though the only time I've ever been to Wisconsin I was and I'm being serious. I was not I'm not joking. I was gobsmacked by how terrible the food was. Like, and I mean, like nutritionally. Oh, yeah. Like I'm sure it tasted good. But I'm talking about like, I was at a restaurant once and I looked at the menu and I actually thought to myself, There's nothing here I would eat I was being serious like I can I have a salad please. And I did not want a salad and I am not a salad person. I could not see one thing on that menu that I thought wouldn't be an affront to my body.

Jenny 55:14
Were you in a city or were you in as in like Oshkosh? Okay, whatever I don't ice like I do think it is different like Madison being a colleague of a major university college town. I do think the food scene is a little bit different. But like, we're the we're the birthplace of Culvers like butter burger like,

Scott Benner 55:32
Are you like fried? Like reseal? Yes. Yeah. Like, like fried and greasy. And, like all that fat and everything like and I was like, God, God, like, I don't think anybody's got I actually ended up my brother's got type two diabetes. And I was like, Dude, you're doing great. I said live in here. If you're managing the way you are, and like you're doing fantastic, because this is hard to navigate. You

Jenny 55:55
don't need me. Yeah, I'm not gonna paint it. Like we're out here like living this healthy lifestyle. But I think it's there if you want it to be there. Yeah, no.

Scott Benner 56:06
I'm actually going to do the next thing on my to do list with. I don't know how I'm gonna do it with yet. But I think I want to do a series and tackle hunger. And like, really, really try to understand hunger and like satiation, that kind of stuff, especially in how it applies to people with type one. Because, you know, Amylin can be an issue. And people with type one can be hungry all the time. And just think that that's normal. And it's actually kind of not GLP, is you're kind of proving that now that helping a lot of people with type one diabetes as well. I really want to dig down into it. That said, I wonder if, like, is it about like, because you went right to the idea of like a holiday? Is it like this food just seemed like happy? Like, do you have like an association between food and good times? Or like anything like that?

Jenny 56:53
I don't know. I? Yeah, I mean, nothing like sticks out like, Yes, I feel like during the holidays, food is like, an aspect of it. But I feel like for me, yeah, like I would just food has always just been very enticing to me. Like, my husband is like, oh, yeah, I forgot to eat lunch today. And I'm just like, what, you know, and it's just, it's wild. But it is, it's been interesting to navigate as a type one, because I think it's helped me like understand food in a different way. But at the same time, I have been very adamant about like, I don't want to limit myself, like, it's like, I still want to enjoy food the way I was. So

Scott Benner 57:36
I have a different perspective. Now I'm just about a full year on a GLP medication. I don't give a crap about food. I wasn't a big food person before. But now I literally look at it like fuel. And I just look at, like, I don't know my happiness, or like my fulfillment or something like that out of something else. Because, you know, and don't get me wrong. Like, who doesn't love going to a restaurant hanging out with a bunch of people and bowls and stuff like that? Like it's all great. You know what I mean? Like, I love cooking food. I love making things for people. I rushed around to make my son breakfast this morning. And I liked it. Don't tell him that. You don't I mean, I was like, Oh, I'll scramble a couple eggs come up with this with it. Like, you know, like that kind of thing. But it's eerie how quickly my brain doesn't talk to me like that anymore. Like do you have the food voice? Do you know what that? That idea is? Like, do you wake up in the morning thinking like what am I going to have for breakfast? Not

Jenny 58:28
particularly so I don't actually really care about breakfast like I pretty much just eat the same thing every day. Okay, I think I'm more of like a savory enjoyer of food like I'm like if I never had a Sweden the rest of my life I would be fine. wouldn't bother. But I think it's just like I have always just enjoyed. I don't know food and that's very rarely but it is interesting cultural

Scott Benner 58:51
to you or is it like guttural like do you feel drawn to it like on a primordial level? Or do you just like being a good human? Are you like, I have to eat this? You know, I'm saying?

Jenny 59:01
I don't know. I don't know the impression that I'm like that girl from Willy Wonka that like gets blown up because she you or is it the boy?

Scott Benner 59:10
It's got this fluke, right? Yeah.

Jenny 59:13
I mean, I don't think it's that level. It's just it's always been intriguing for me. Whereas like other people, like, like my husband, he'll just eat the same thing for lunch every day. It'll take it to work for a month. And then finally I'll be like, Oh, maybe I want a different dressing

Scott Benner 59:29
pickle with it today. Maybe

Jenny 59:32
that is just so crazy to me. Because it's just it's not how my brain operates. Maybe you guys are on a more advanced level and I'll get there one.

Scott Benner 59:42
Now, I mean, I don't know about that. But I will eat the same thing over and over again. I don't care.

Jenny 59:46
Oh my God, even leftovers. I have to like force myself to like,

Scott Benner 59:50
interesting. No, I'm gonna I want to have all kinds of conversations about this. Like I really want to pick through how people think about it. Because I think there's a portion of it for some people. It's Type one like that, like a an unending hunger can really be because of your pancreas doesn't just make insulin it does other stuff too. And so some people with type one experience like a never ending hunger.

Jenny 1:00:14
Yeah, that's definitely not not for you. No,

Scott Benner 1:00:19
I just Yeah, I like you have like a pretty hippie vibe. You know that about yourself like you're just sort of like, you know, I love the kids but not enough to pay too much attention to them. And they're like, I'm gonna make a bunch of babies. I think three is enough. But the guy seems to one five, so whatever. Would you say? It's

Jenny 1:00:33
like a laid back?

Scott Benner 1:00:34
You're a little hippie ish. Like, you have a little laid back vibe. You Oh

Jenny 1:00:37
my gosh, you just made my day. I have never you think you're laid back? No, I think I'm very laid back for the people I'm surrounded with in my life. I'm not

Scott Benner 1:00:48
fair to the other lunatics, you know. So what you're saying?

Jenny 1:00:51
Exactly, yeah. So I'm just gonna like write it down in my diary today. Like I got, I was called laid back. And it was like You seemed

Scott Benner 1:01:00
amenable? Does that make sense?

Jenny 1:01:01
i Well, let's take it this way, though. I think I'm amenable probably because we're maybe more on the same page on things like if I encounter something Well, listen,

Scott Benner 1:01:11
if babies came out of a hole in me and I made three of them, and I didn't want any more and somebody said I might want four or five I'd look at him and go you're thinking about the wrong girl? Because I'm not doing like, but you were just like, I'm good with three but he wants four or five and you were like right on well,

Jenny 1:01:29
you shed baby color that conversation of like, it is a very much like 5050 decision like I think yeah, it's not like oh, whatever he says goes kind of thing.

Scott Benner 1:01:43
I had the vagina it would be 98 to be like, if you're willing to pay for it, I'll consider it like okay,

Jenny 1:01:50
but to be fair, it also could be a situation of like, I personally believe time will be on my side here of like, as we progress with three kids like it'll be like oh, this is a lot like and I think we'll probably be on the same page in the end. Anyway, so why you know have the bang out fights now was their opponent. I have a really bad also habit of like saying really wrong and things like It's like close to a phrase but not the actual phrase and it just comes out super

Scott Benner 1:02:21
sexual already with so pretty Wisconsin anything by the way. Here my my sis, sometimes my sister in law says stuff and I'm like, she's so close to that thing. She almost got it right. Have

Jenny 1:02:31
you heard this in our own little bubble here? And we're just like,

Scott Benner 1:02:33
possible you have your own sayings? That's fine, right? I hear that. So okay, so I'm sorry. So we're making the baby. It's going along, this doctor gets you into the fives. No problem. It stays like that through the whole pregnancy.

Jenny 1:02:46
Yeah, when it's phenomenal. And I think what was interesting to me, I guess is like, not that pregnancy, by any means is easy with diabetes, but I think there's like a natural, like, understanding that, like, my insulin needs will most likely just be increasing. And so I think I had that like understanding. So when I felt like my numbers were a little bit higher, I like was like, okay, like, things are happening, like, hormones are crazy, whatever, it's, I would just check in and be like, Okay, let's try this. And then I would if I dip super low be like, well, that's bad. But I think for me, it was a pregnancy. And with babies, like even like the period that I'm in now of like, breastfeeding, and like, dropping off from all these pregnancy hormones has been way harder to navigate for me. Because it's so there's much less like trajectory. I feel like one day it can be super high and crazy. And if the baby you know, they're eating way less than it just tanks, like it just, I think, for me, there's just there's been so much more difficulty in maintaining good numbers in the past few weeks, then the whole last nine months. Because it was just like, typically, it was I was always just gonna need more insulin. Yeah.

Scott Benner 1:03:57
Okay. Interesting. So, you pivoted quickly during the pregnancy, the doctor was there to support it, but you felt good about doing it, and you counted your carbs? Is that about it?

Jenny 1:04:10
I would say I counted carbs for breakfast, because I was like, in my head of like, okay, she asked me to do this. And then, like, throughout the day, I would be lucky if I probably got another meal in there where I was counting carbs. But for the most part, I think, yeah, I don't know. I've, I've just, I don't know if I got lucky here. But it was just more and with the Omni pad actually interesting. About after 20 weeks. She took me off auto mode, and we went into manual mode. So it was basically 100% on setting. Yeah. And that was like, I felt it was like shocked when she told me she's like, Let's go off auto mode. And I was like, no, like, why would we ever do that? And then it was like, even better in manual. Okay, so And again,

Scott Benner 1:05:00
did you go back to auto after the pregnancy ended? And are you still manual?

Jenny 1:05:05
I mistakenly was on manual and actually my, before I had the baby, we hit programmed like a post baby setting. So I knew right away like once I went back on my pump after a cup, I think I had a pretty rough like transition from the C section. I was like really nauseous and like sick. And so they were still doing my sugars because I was basically like fasting. So it was easy for them to keep it steady. And so then once I got back on my pump, I was in manual mode for like three or four days. And then when I had my follow up, that was like, let's go back at Otto and have been out there ever since

Scott Benner 1:05:40
in my confusing, laid back with laissez faire, maybe you're a little you're a little like, hey, whatever comes comes. You need to describe yourself to me like what is it? I'm missing about you? Like there's no cuz you keep calling it lazy. And I don't think you're lazy. I mean, you have three kids, you can't be lazy unless they're chained to something and you're like, you know, off in the other room.

Jenny 1:06:03
Yeah, I lost a fair maybe is a fair word, I think. Yeah. Because maybe I've had like some whether it's like the type one diagnosis midlife like, I just feel like there's so much that's out of your control. Anyways, that I've just kind of resigned to like, not like, Oh, what is what is but it's kind of like you have to learn to roll with life. So I think that's maybe wear, like worry about don't sweat the small stuff. Maybe it's a stupid cliche.

Scott Benner 1:06:36
Have you ever heard me say like, I reorder my to do list all the time, like buy whatever is most necessary? Like what my wife will make a to do list and have to do it in order. Right. But you would reorder your list if something became more important. You would knock number one down to number three and just put the new number one up there. Sure, yeah. Yeah, but you're not so you're not uptight like that?

Jenny 1:07:00
No, definitely mad. But I would say yeah, I think I'm a very I'm a big planner. But with a grain of salt of like this. If everything works out, this is gonna be the plan. But I know it's not all gonna work out.

Scott Benner 1:07:13
You're weird mix. It's interesting. I like that. By the way, some people right now we're going to do just call his wife uptight. Sure, whatever. But But yeah, but like, that's interesting, because you're a very weird mix of like, rigid, but then not.

Jenny 1:07:30
I have to say that's probably a very accurate. No,

Scott Benner 1:07:33
yeah, I've been really like for the last hour. I've been trying to figure out who you are in that regard. And Alright, I think I'm willing to stay with that. Like a smoke and mirrors things. I don't know. I just don't like you calling yourself lazy.

Jenny 1:07:47
Oh, I shouldn't say I don't feel like I'm a lazy person. I think sometimes my approach can border on lazy behavior.

Scott Benner 1:07:55
But you don't know how to explain that to me, though. Right? Like, what does that? Yeah.

Jenny 1:08:00
Well, it's like, if I just took the time to learn something, or like, you know, like, if I set aside a couple of days to really, like, hammer out the details or figure it's like, typically, I'd be eating the same meals throughout the course of a couple of weeks. And if I just actually nailed those down, I probably would have a much smoother thing, but I've never done

Scott Benner 1:08:20
so you're not a work smarter, not harder person. Probably true. Yes. Well, that really, you should do that. I mean, because if you've got three kids, at some point, you're gonna run out of time. Exactly. And it's like, I know this. It seems like a joke now. But wait till I mean, they're close in age, we all three of them are playing a sport.

Jenny 1:08:39
Right? Or well, and that falls into like prioritizing myself of like, I probably should just like, figure that out.

Scott Benner 1:08:46
Yeah. To make it to make it a smaller part of your, your needed brain power today.

Jenny 1:08:51
Yeah. All right.

Scott Benner 1:08:52
Can you do that? Oh,

Jenny 1:08:54
100%? Well, yeah. I'll get back to you.

Scott Benner 1:09:01
I got a feeling I'm gonna be busy having sex in six months. So like,

Jenny 1:09:06
I should like little things here and there, I think and honestly, it's like, I feel like every guest has it. But it's like your podcast is super helpful. Because I do think it brings things to the front of my mind that probably should be there more often that I just kind of push to the back. Yeah. So I think it's

Scott Benner 1:09:23
it's interesting. You said that because I was thinking earlier, you're that person who uses the podcast as a reminder, just like keeps keeps it something front of mind. Instead, yeah, it helps with that. I find that valuable to I don't think everyone uses it that way. But I find it valuable for myself to use it that way sometimes. You know, Oh, yeah. The conversation myself

Jenny 1:09:44
like I should just go through the pro tips again. Because it's like that, I think would help be so mean. Yeah, you're so anywhere. I can have bigger gaps in my management.

Scott Benner 1:09:55
I gotcha. All right. Well, Jenny, is there anything else because I feel good about This conversation. I feel like it's come to a natural conclusion. No, I

Jenny 1:10:03
don't think so. You're good? Yeah, sure.

Scott Benner 1:10:07
All right. If your husband really wants to come on and be anonymous tell me before I put this out, because I'll take that part out of here so people don't know about it.

Jenny 1:10:16
Okay, I'll ask him. I'm curious. I don't know. It's it's a 5050 It's

Scott Benner 1:10:21
okay. There's no pressure. Yeah, buddy Can you can come fill me up with knowledge? I'm not gonna say alright. Nevermind, let's hold on.

Jenny 1:10:34
Okay.

Scott Benner 1:10:43
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