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Scott Benner 0:00
OmniPod, Hello friends, and welcome back to another episode of The juicebox podcast,

talking to Lana today. She's the mom of two kids with type one diabetes. One of them had a seizure. The other one came close due to a dosing mistake, and the results of that are her going into what she called a tailspin. She had to take some time to address her own mental health issues, and this is her story. Please don't forget that nothing you hear on the juicebox podcast should be considered advice medical or otherwise, always consult a physician before making any changes to your health care plan or becoming bold with insulin. Are you an adult living with type one or the caregiver of someone who is and a US resident? If you are, I'd love it if you would go to T 1d, exchange.org/juicebox, and take the survey. When you complete that survey, your answers are used to move type one diabetes research of all kinds. So if you'd like to help with type one research, but don't have time to go to a doctor or an investigation and you want to do something right there from your sofa, this is the way t 1d exchange.org/juice box. It should not take you more than about 10 minutes.

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Lana 2:36
I am Lana. I am a mom of two kids with type one diabetes for the last five years. So both kids were diagnosed when they were seven years old, and they are now 11 and 13. Yeah, my son was first and then my daughter was 14 months after

Scott Benner 2:54
that, and we live in Canada. Canada. Alright, hold on a second. They were both seven years old. Yeah, both seven, no kidding, and

Lana 3:06
diagnosed. Like, the I remember the nurse saying, like, oh, let's weigh your daughter, and we'll just kind of keep an eye on her too. And just, kind of, you know, said, like, yeah, there's a chance that she could get it too. So we'll just keep an eye on her and we'll just, we'll weigh her too. So it was always in the back of my mind. And

Scott Benner 3:23
wait a second. First of all, let me do this because of your Canadian accent. I'm not sure is it Lana or Alana? Lana. Lana LAN, I got it. And then what the hell does weighing the kids have to do with figuring out if they have diabetes? I

Lana 3:38
don't know if it was just like, kind of being a part of it, that they just like, had her weighed to and it was kind of just like, maybe keep an eye on her weight, so that if she was to drastically lose weight, it would be a red flag.

Scott Benner 3:52
Seems like a Canadian thing, but Okay, all right, do you know the last Canadian I interviewed? I brought up Bill and Ted Mackenzie, and they didn't know who it was. Oh, my God, you don't either.

Lana 4:03
Is that like the the movie, Bill intense. Wait,

Scott Benner 4:06
how come I'm so old. I'm old too. How old are you?

Lana 4:12
I am 44

Scott Benner 4:15
Okay, you've never seen a movie called strange brew with, I'm sorry, Bob and Doug, Mackenzie, but you've, have you ever seen that? No, unbelievable. Okay, I'm now asking every Canadian if they've ever seen strange, bro, it's on my Canadian question list. Oh, it's on my Canadian question list. Now you don't have to ask people, although, if you go out there and do like a survey, I would be interested in the results. So my list to watch it? Oh, I don't think you should do that, although it does still get good scores. I guess people enjoyed it. You know? Rick Moranis, right.

Lana 4:49
No, I honestly like, I don't watch TV. Lana,

Scott Benner 4:51
what part of the Canada are you from? Are you in the Yukon?

Lana 4:55
I know I have a TV. I just I don't watch TV.

Scott Benner 4:58
You have a TV? Well, that's hand. I. Yeah, wait, but Rick Moranis, one of your most famous Canadian comedians. You don't know him.

Lana 5:04
I've heard the name, but

Scott Benner 5:05
it doesn't like really click of Hold on a second. We'll get back to your kid in a second, both of them, but first. Celine Dion, yes or no. You know who that is. Yes. Jim Carrey, yes. Drake kind of Michael J Fox, yes. Justin Bieber, yes. Ryan Gosling, Canadian or American?

Lana 5:32
Canadian. Good

Scott Benner 5:34
Seth, Rogen, Canadian or American? Oh, I don't know. Is he Jewish? I don't know who he is. I'm stuck. Hold on a second. Okay, I'm gonna keep going. Recently deceased. Matthew Perry, star of friends. Do you know who that is? Yes. Can you name a Neil Young song?

Lana 5:51
No,

Scott Benner 5:52
interesting. The captain of the Starfleet enterprise, Canadian or not Canadian? The original. No idea what's his name. No idea did he just go to space in his 90s? Or no, for real. All right, I've got three more. Jason Priestley, yes or no, you know who that is. Yes, excellent. See, I think I'm like, stuck in the

Lana 6:16
80s, 90s, like, I know those people. All right,

Scott Benner 6:18
hold on. Let's do it this way. Then. Joshua Jackson, nope, interesting. Donald Sutherland, no, okay. Tom Green, is

Lana 6:28
that a comedian?

Scott Benner 6:30
Lana? It is. Lana sounds familiar. Do you know who he was married to for a bit? No, lispy girl from the ET movie. Who's that Drew Barrymore, good, okay, and we found something you know about, all right, this was fun. I hope you didn't feel put

Lana 6:48
on the spot. I've always been scared of, like games, like Trivial Pursuit, because, yeah, well, you

Scott Benner 6:54
should be, you don't know. And these, those people were all Canadian, really, Seth Rogen is insanely famous, okay, I'm gonna look him up too. Okay. William Shatner, yes, you know that name, yes, okay. Mike Myers, yes, but not Rick Moranis,

Lana 7:16
like the name is familiar, but I've never listened to him. Okay,

Scott Benner 7:22
this was a lot of fun for me. I appreciate this very much. Okay, so we're gonna get past the part about them weighing your kids, because I don't get that exactly, but I am interested in this. So you have two children, they're a couple years apart, but both of them were diagnosed in their seven year old year. Is that right? Yeah, okay. Are there any other people in your family who have type one diabetes, extended family, even I

Lana 7:43
have a great uncle that my dad says, they think that he had type one that

Scott Benner 7:50
was a long time ago, though, right? A long time ago, a couple generations. Okay, how about other autoimmune issues?

Lana 7:56
So I have thyroid, hypothyroid, and my husband has vitiligo. Oh, there are two autoimmune things,

Scott Benner 8:07
the devil's brew, a father and a mother both with an autoimmune issue. Yeah, you only have two kids, right? Yeah, did you mean to have more or two? Was your number two was our number Okay, son was diagnosed first. Yeah, let's go through that. How did you notice he had something was amiss? So

Lana 8:26
it was October 1, and the summer before that, we had, you know, been doing lots of camping. And so we had, in our graduate some cases of water bottles from our camping trips. And so I think probably, like, the month before October, I kept, like, going to his room and seeing that he'd been drinking water bottles. So he would just be, yeah, he was drinking getting up in the night. Occasionally I would hear him in the middle of the night going to the bathroom. Yeah, it was just, I am a nurse, and it just kind of always was in the back of my mind. You know, once I just saw a few things, it just put it together for you, yeah, thinking diabetes, yeah. So I told you to my husband, and he was like, Oh, you're crazy. You're just, I tend to worry a lot. And, you know, he said, I'm crazy. So decided, like, I'm not crazy. I'm just, I'm going to ask the doctor. So we, I made a doctor's appointment and said, I'm probably crazy, but I'm worried he has diabetes. Luckily, the family doctor was amazing, and, you know, just checked him, right there. She's like, Oh, let's just check him. So she did a finger poke, and he was 30, so then she's like, Oh, that must be a mistake. Let's do it again. So then she redid it, and it was still high, and then

Scott Benner 9:47
crazy,

Lana 9:50
check for keto, and then sent us off to to emerge. I

Scott Benner 9:54
am not allowed to, even in a joking manner, refer to my wife as crazy. I. It's one of our rules that we've never written down. But I know for goddamn sure is a rule, and

Lana 10:05
I'm probably imagining like he did probably say it, but

Scott Benner 10:09
yeah, I'm not allowed to say it. If I say it, can I just say, what happens? What? She goes crazy, and then she yells at me, yeah. I would, if I was her, remain very calm, so as to not give the illusion that perhaps I am crazy. Do you know what I mean? But no, she leans into it. Well, that sucks, so they sent you off to the hospital. Now are you in one of those, hold on, let me get my Canadian mouth together. Are you in one of those provinces where they give you NPH and regular or they give you modern insulin? If you take insulin or so faunal ureas, you are at risk for your blood sugar going too low. You need a safety net when it matters most, be ready with G voc, hypo pen. My daughter carries G VO, hypo pen everywhere she goes, because it's a ready to use rescue pen for treating very low blood sugar in people with diabetes ages two and above that. I trust low blood sugar emergencies can happen unexpectedly, and they demand quick action. Luckily, jivo kypopen can be administered in two simple steps, even by yourself in certain situations. Show those around you where you store jivo kypopen and how to use it. They need to know how to use jivo kypopen before an emergency situation happens. Learn more about why gevok hypopin is in Arden's diabetes toolkit at gvoke, glucagon.com/juicebox, gvoke shouldn't be used if you have a tumor in the gland on the top of your kidneys called a pheochromocytoma, or if you have a tumor in Your pancreas called an insulinoma. Visit gvoke, glucagon.com/risk, for safety information. I used to hate ordering my daughter's diabetes supplies. I never had a good experience, and it was frustrating. But it hasn't been that way for a while, actually, for about three years now, because that's how long we've been using us Med, usmed.com/ usmed.com/juice, box, or call 888-721-1514, US med is the number one distributor for FreeStyle Libre systems nationwide. They are the number one specialty distributor for OmniPod dash, the number one fastest growing tandem distributor nationwide, the number one rated distributor in Dexcom customer satisfaction surveys, they have served over 1 million people with diabetes since 1996 and they always provide 90 days worth of supplies and fast and free shipping us med carries everything from insulin pumps and Diabetes testing supplies to the latest CGMS, like the libre three and Dexcom g7 they accept Medicare nationwide and over 800 private insurers find out why us med has an A plus rating with a better Business Bureau at usmed.com/juicebox, or just call them at 888-721-1514, 87211514, get started right now, and you'll be getting your supplies the same way we do.

Lana 13:28
We started on NPH, so, yeah, I remember, like, obviously in the doctor's office when she told me that I was like, you know, trying not to cry with the kids there, but almost on the verge of crying. And then, yeah, called my husband, told him he's got diabetes. Meet me at the hospital. And so then when we were at the hospital, did blood work and all the stuff, and he wasn't in DKA. And then when we saw the endocrinologist, they said, you know, you've got a choice. There's two choices we can do. We can do this type of insulin, kind of MDI, route, or we can do this type of insulin NPH. We would do the NPH if there's no one at lunchtime to give insulin for the time I was working and we kind of just thought, Okay, well, we'll try that route. Yeah, Lana,

Scott Benner 14:17
Isn't it fantastic that the one thing that consistently gets said to me from Canadians is that that entire NPH thing in Canada has to do with giving insulin at lunchtime at school. It's like somehow become a rule across an entire country. If there's no one there to give them an injection on their own, then they get mph, fantastic.

Lana 14:38
And like, we don't have nurses like there's no one else that would give it if the parents can't. So

Scott Benner 14:43
if I said to you in that moment when your son was diagnosed, hey, listen, we'll give you mph if there's nobody at the school to give an injection. Or, you know, you can do this much more modern way that will lead to significantly better health outcomes, and your kid will have. To teach themselves how to give them give themselves a shot, or something like that. Like, if it was couched you that way, do you think you would have paused, like, hey, I can give you this insulin technology from 50 years ago, or you can have this modern stuff? Which would you like? Because, yeah, I

Lana 15:14
would have chosen the modern, yeah, it's so

Scott Benner 15:16
it's like they predispose people to choose the Oh, like they set up a false narrative. There's no nurse there, so you can't use this other insulin. But that's not true at all, because plenty of kids give themselves insulin all day long without a nurse, right? Yeah, yeah. I don't know. I don't it's a one of the things I don't like about Canada. It

Lana 15:37
only lasted maybe two months, and then I was just like, I'm not liking this. I want to try something different. And so, yeah, then we got a prescription, and it was just, you know, I'm gonna just make it work that, you know, I'll be there at lunchtime. So things got a bit better once we switched. And eventually he started giving it himself. And so, yeah,

Scott Benner 16:03
is that what you did? You went to lunch, to school every day. Yeah, for quite a while it was at a great distance. How were you able to do that?

Lana 16:11
Um, no, we just, we lived right by the school. But based on, like, the whole experience, I was, like, super anxious and stressed, so I wasn't able to work for quite a while. So it was probably six months before I went back to work after he was diagnosed

Scott Benner 16:27
too. Okay, so you just kind of slipped on your penguin shoes, skied down the hill, gave the insulin, and then went back home to cry in a corner. What was your situation like? Like,

Lana 16:36
I remember before we got Dexcom, there was moments that I was like, sitting outside of his school crying, just worrying, thinking, What's his number, and my job was like a half an hour away, so it just didn't seem feasible that I could drive a half an hour away and not be close to him when the school didn't have much support to be able to help him. So yeah, it just always made it my thing that I was just near the school for that first little while,

Scott Benner 17:04
Lana, did you have any signs of instability prior to the diabetes diagnosis? I just want to know. I'm not making fun of you, because I've heard this story like 1000 times from people, but my point is, is that, prior to this happening, would you have been a person standing outside of a building crying or worried even, maybe, maybe, okay, yeah, I

Lana 17:23
definitely had anxiety beforehand, and, like, just ramped it up emotionally. I can get just dysregulated. I cry easily. And, yeah, when it came to diabetes, it was pretty stressful. Lana,

Scott Benner 17:34
I cry pretty easily too, but it's usually not about, like, stressful stuff. Yeah, yeah, I watch TV and cry. Well, you don't know what TV is, but I when I watch TV, by the way, you might have less stress if you watch television once in a while. There's a fantastic show on max right now that you should try. I don't know the name of it, but I'm really enjoying it. It's either called the realm or the rain. I'm not sure which one.

Lana 17:57
I need more TV time to relax better. You had a

Scott Benner 18:01
veg a little bit. Have you tried the weed? By any chance? Tried the what weed? Have you smoked weed to relax, or done something like that? Have you gone to like, lengths to try to, like, chill out? No, does anything help you relax?

Lana 18:12
Like, I don't. Later on in the story, I can talk more about like, I had, like, just like, more trauma, like PTSD and so then, since then, I've learned to do things like exercising and walking and eat better and just taking better care of myself, and it has helped that I'm not quite as stressed out as I used to be beautiful. All right. Well,

Scott Benner 18:33
we'll definitely get to it. Obviously, one of the things that relaxes you isn't telling a story out of order. So let's keep going. So this goes on for a bit, and then now your daughter's diagnosed. Does it ramp up from there? Had you found any comfort prior to the second diagnosis, or were you still like struggling at that point? No,

Lana 18:53
I was, I was doing okay. You know it was. Yeah, 14 months afterwards, she was diagnosed, and things were pretty good. I was able to get back to work a little bit. I'd started a day home also, just because I still did want to be closer to home, make some more money, but not be nursing all the time. So yeah, I'd started a day home. And then in September, and then December, she was diagnosed. Hey,

Scott Benner 19:20
Lana, you just used the Canadian term, I don't know, day home,

Lana 19:26
like, childcare, childcare. Okay, that's in my house that I was looking after while they were at school.

Scott Benner 19:30
I was kind of thinking that's what you meant. But I wasn't certain if it was like a nursing thing or not. So I just wanted to check okay, so you just get settled into this little rhythm, and then she gets diagnosed. Yeah,

Lana 19:41
oh, gosh. And with her, it was like, I'd finger poked her a few times, and everything was fine. And then just yeah, one night, she drank some milk before bed and said, Mom, I'm still thirsty. And so just knew at that point she was really scared. Narrative needles. And so I just kind of let it be and gave her some more water to drink, and then she went back to bed. And then, like, two hours later, I'm like, Okay, I'm gonna finger poker now that she's sleeping. And, yeah, that's when we found out, and I'm sorry, in the middle of the night. And then the next morning called, like, I called the endocrinologist in the middle of the night, and he had me check her for ketones while she was sleeping. I just kind of quickly did a urine check and she was okay. So he said, don't need to come to emerge now, just come to the diabetes clinic in the morning. How

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Lana 22:27
Yeah, remember, like, I'd called my mom in the morning to say, like, could you just come that Caitlin's now diabetic too. Could you come help us? So my mom was there, and just, yeah, she woke up, and I said, you know, Caitlin, I'm so sorry. I did a finger poke in the morning, and you have diabetes too. We have to go to the hospital. And so she started crying, freaking out, and then, yeah, slowly, just got her in the car, and off we went.

Scott Benner 22:58
Now at that point, is your son using a pump or a glucose monitor by then?

Lana 23:03
Yeah, he was on Dexcom and MDI, no pump. Yes, no. MDI,

Scott Benner 23:08
now, did you get her a Dexcom immediately?

Lana 23:10
We actually got her a libre at first. Okay, just because of insurance, we ended up with a libre first, and then a couple months later, then switched to Dexcom. Dexcom.

Scott Benner 23:21
How did she accept the addition of the device? It was okay. Like, the first

Lana 23:27
few days were hard. Like, I remember that day doing blood work was, like, horrible. It took a few people to hold her down to get blood work done, and we ended up getting a psychologist appointment just to kind of help do some relaxation things with her, to get calmer with doing the needles, right? But yeah, soon after it

Scott Benner 23:49
was okay with both of them, that's excellent. Well, it sounds like they adapted pretty well. You adapted well too. Or did your anxiety just double when it was the second kid,

Lana 24:00
I think, like it was easier, like we didn't need to go through all the training again, but it was still very emotional. How

Scott Benner 24:07
about how did your husband handle it?

Lana 24:09
Like he's not outwardly emotionally, like I am, so he kind of keeps things to himself a little bit more, but he's also anxious. And, yeah, we were both stressed. Wow, sure. Oh, well,

Scott Benner 24:23
that sucks. I'm sorry, but that's not really why you're here, right? You had a pretty specific reason for one to come on and talk. So let's maybe jump forward to that. One of the kids have a seizure. Both of them had it. What happened?

Lana 24:36
So my son had a seizure, and we had gone away for the weekend to like a little Airbnb cabin, and you know, it was supposed to be all relaxing and fun, and we had gone snowshoeing during the day, so had lots of exercise. And then that night, I. Probably, in hindsight, we obviously should have adjusted his long acting we should have lowered it, but we had given him his normal dose, and then we were tired, and my phone died, and my husband slept through the low alarms, so he had just kind of been coasting low for a few hours in the night, not like crazy low. It was 3.4 was the lowest. I'm gonna

Scott Benner 25:26
have to look up the conversion for that. And while you're talking, hold on a second. I will do I haven't done this in a while, but at juicebox podcast.com there's a conversion chart. Works great, a 1c and blood glucose calculator. What was the number you just said 3.4 3.4 point four, which is 61 so he was, he was coasting there for a few hours, yeah. And then finally, maybe the that new injection of basal started to ramp up a little bit, maybe all the carbs, and everything was out of a system. And then he got drugged down farther, yeah. So

Lana 25:58
it was kind of like first thing in the morning. Around eight in the morning, we were in this cabin, and so he was in a bunk bed, and I was in a loft, kind of just kind of up a few stairs, and I just heard this, like loud scream. It was like, just this really odd sound. And so I kind of jumped out of bed, and then his bunk bed was kind of right under me, and then I saw him having the seizure. So I jumped into the bunk bed and just started, kind of like screaming for my husband wake up. And it was just like I just woken up. So I was not completely aware, and I was thinking, get me juice. He must be low. Get me some juice. Just within a few seconds, I'm like, No, he doesn't need juice. He needs his biscuit me. So he needs glucagon. And so I was just screaming to my husband to find it in our suitcase, yeah. Then he got it for me, threw it up the bunk bed, and it was tricky, like, just in my panic moment, just to get the wrapper off and to 100% figure out what I was doing, but got it done, got it given, and then, yeah, it was definitely traumatic. I'm thankful my daughter didn't see it, because she was in the room, but with him being up in the bug bed, she didn't see him having the seizure.

Scott Benner 27:23
She awake? Was she aware something was happening? Yes, she just didn't visually get to see Yeah, wow. Sorry. My daughter's had a seizure. So made me upset when you were describing it, because I remember all that too. They get the stuff and the yelling and, you know, the panic and not sure how to use it, and all that stuff. Back when it happened to Arden, she was was just diagnosed. She was probably like two and a half. It was still like that old the red box, the ill Lily injection, and I didn't even remember how to do it, to be perfectly honest. You know,

Lana 27:55
it doesn't work when you're in that state of panic.

Scott Benner 28:00
Yeah. And on top of that, I went, Arden hadn't had diabetes for very long. And when they gave us the glucagon, they said, This is glucagon. It's an emergency injection for if you have a seizure, don't worry, you'll never need it. And I was like, Oh, well, we'll never need this. Oh, I think I just didn't pay attention to it, if that makes sense, yeah, how long after you crop dusted his nose. Did he come back? So

Lana 28:22
it was probably like a seizure. Maybe lasted two minutes, and then he was confused afterwards. So, like, I think I was telling my husband to call 911, and we had no cell phone reception, so that wasn't working. And then he was kind of coming out of it, and was confused. So we just, like, tried to, like, carefully get him down the ladder while he was, like, just not completely with it. Then we were just kind of like, you've got to get out of here. Like, let's just get to the hospital just to have him checked out. He threw up all over the cabin as we got him down the ladder and then tried to clean that up, you know, get us packed, and then get everyone in the car, and then we went to the hospital. Well,

Scott Benner 29:08
that's terrible when you got to the hospital. Did you find that you actually needed to be at the hospital, or was it a precaution that wasn't didn't end up being necessary, probably

Lana 29:17
didn't end up needing to be necessary, but they still did a bunch of tests just to kind of rule it out, it was actually a coincidence that the eMERGE doctor had a son with type one diabetes. So as soon as I met with this doctor, it was just like, Oh, I was thankful that he was the doctor and that he understood. And so he just said, like he was surprised with having a seizure, you know, with that number. And so he just thought it would be safer, just to rule things out, to have did a CT of his head. A few days later, we had to come back to do an EEG.

Scott Benner 29:50
I'm assuming, in the panic, it never occurred to you to like test his blood sugar to see if the CGM was accurately reading or not. Right? Yeah.

Lana 29:59
I'm pretty sure we did. I did

Scott Benner 30:01
okay. And so he was in the like, 3.4 range when you test them,

Lana 30:06
no, by then, like, it had already come back up. So, oh, I see it was probably like, right after the seizure, we did a finger poke, and by then it was like, six or something. So he was back up over.

Scott Benner 30:18
Listen, not a doctor, I can't imagine you having a seizure at 3.4 like, so I don't know. I'm not obviously, it's hard to say what would happen. Or definitely

Lana 30:27
it could have been lower than that, yeah, and we don't know that, right? Of course.

Scott Benner 30:31
How is the guilt afterwards for sleeping through the alarms or not plugging in the phone, that kind of stuff?

Lana 30:37
Definitely bad. Like, yeah, lots of guilt, you know, I didn't go back to work for a little while after that. At that point, I had been back working full time as a nurse, and so, yeah, I'd taken a little bit of time off after that, and then, you know, kind of got back to life. And then it was probably two months later that my daughter did a mistake with her pump, so she accidentally overdosed with her pump and gave instead of 12 carbs, she entered in 12 units. I think the max bolus was 10, so she got 10 units in the morning. That experience kind of put me over the edge that it was just correct and like, I didn't want mistakes to happen, and so I went on a stress leave after that happened with my daughter.

Scott Benner 31:26
So you get to two different seizures, two different ways. One's kind of like a slow drip, basically from the basal, and the other one is like a big bolus right away. So she bolus for, she's thinking, for 12 carbs, how much insulin should that have been for 12 carbs? Do

Lana 31:45
you remember? Probably would've been like four units. All

Scott Benner 31:49
right, so she got six units too many. She didn't notice. She ate her food, and then how long after the she pushed the button, did the seizure happen?

Lana 31:59
So she didn't have a seizure. It was just a a close call, so she seizure. Oh, so walk me. Walk me through what happened then, okay, so it was morning breakfast, so dropped her off at school, thinking everything was good. I was driving to work, and then all of a sudden, she called me, and she had looked at her pump, or no, oh yeah, she was on a pump by then. So she looked at her pump and realized, Mom, I've got like, eight units on board. That doesn't make sense.

Scott Benner 32:27
And so just what?

Lana 32:31
Like, what did you do? Like, how do you have eight units on board? And then I just said, Okay, I'm coming to school. So I drove back to the school, ran into the office crying, and, you know, she was drinking her third juice box at that time, and, yeah, brought her back home, and everything was okay once she'd had all of the carbs she needed. So,

Scott Benner 32:54
yeah, so she replaced the carbs, and she was fine. Like, there was, like, literally, no actual danger. Is that right? Nope, no, okay, but it threw you over the edge, as far as, like, somebody needs to be watching these kids like a hawk the whole time, kind of feeling,

Lana 33:12
yeah, it was just like, you know, I felt over, like, stressed, burnt out, you know, with working and trying to manage the two kids, it was like, mistakes are going to happen. Like, we

Scott Benner 33:24
can't do this anymore. Okay. Is that financially? Was that comfortable for you to stop working? Or no, um,

Lana 33:32
at that time, I had, like, a full time job, so I had had benefits, so I had gotten, you know, money while I was off. And at first I thought, okay, like, I just need two weeks, and then I'll be back and I'll be good. But it ended up being like, 10 months.

Scott Benner 33:47
And did that, that stretch of time, did that become more about you or more about diabetes? Does that question make sense?

Lana 33:54
Yeah, I feel like, I think it was, it was me. So, like, you know, to be off of work, I needed to go through all of the stuff of you know, getting counseling, seeing a psychologist, getting on medications for my anxiety, seeing a psychiatrist getting diagnosed with PTSD from just the seizure, mainly, right? Diabetes kind of triggered it, but I've had to work on my own mental health to be able to handle life?

Scott Benner 34:21
No, sure. I'm really grateful for you to come on and talk about it like this, by the way, because this is very you're very clear and being very honest and and I appreciate that, because I'm sure a lot of people feel this way, and maybe don't have great benefits or understanding employers, or you don't even anything in between, the ability to take care of themselves. Well, is there a way for you to help yourself, which obviously you're going to do without the kids thinking our diabetes made mom feel this way. You see what I mean. Like, like, how do you like, navigate that bit of it?

Lana 34:57
Yeah, definitely like looking back. Back, I, you know, would sometimes, like, cry thing, like, Oh. Like, if they were upset about diabetes, I would cry too. And like, say, like, oh, I, you know, diabetes is so hard. So looking back, I would try to keep myself together a little bit more so that they didn't have that feeling that it was their fault.

Scott Benner 35:22
Is that difficult to do in that time? Like to hold it in? It

Lana 35:27
was, but I think since going through lots of counseling, it's just I've learned tools and techniques to be able to help myself better.

Scott Benner 35:35
Did you do the the 12345, thing, the one thing you can see, two things you can that, that whole thing

Lana 35:43
she did that, I think, like the one cool thing she did was, EMDR,

Scott Benner 35:47
oh, a lot of people talk about that, yeah. What was that like? Yeah, you use

Lana 35:52
your eye movements, and then it rewires your brain to, you know, heal, kind of past trauma. And so you kind of go from like, what are you thinking that's negative, and you have that in your brain, and then how can you switch it to a better positive feeling? So in my brain, it was always like, safety, like the kids aren't safe, the world is unsafe. And feeling that panic whenever anything would happen with diabetes. And so doing the EMDR, eventually my brain would switch and kind of be, like, they are safe, like they've done this so many times. They know what to do to treat lows, and they're going to be okay. And then we eventually, like, sometimes just the low alarm of the Dexcom would be my trigger. And so I'm like, can we try something different? And I'm like, This is what triggers me. It's not always a thought. It's the alarm will trigger me. And so we just kind of did a simulation of like, let's pretend that they're low, and I put the alarm on for low, and then we went through the process of the EMDR,

Scott Benner 37:00
wow. So now, now the beep, beep, beep, doesn't make you like, triggered,

Lana 37:05
no, like, it's still just like, you know, okay, they're low, but it's just, I breathe. They're low. I deal with it. I don't go through that panic feeling

Scott Benner 37:15
you have two so there's no way they're both low at the same time. So you get to you get to experience it twice a day. Probably right? Just, you know, it happens to one at one time and one at another time. But they're not synced up with their diabetes. Are they? Sometimes

Lana 37:29
they are and that sometimes one's low and one's high and yeah, what's

Scott Benner 37:33
worse, a low blood sugar at two o'clock and then another one with another kid an hour later, or two at the same time?

Lana 37:39
Probably like, two, yeah, two at the same time. It's not fun.

Scott Benner 37:43
Oh my gosh. Your husband hasn't left yet. I mean, gotten lost going to the store.

Lana 37:50
No, he's still there. And you haven't

Scott Benner 37:52
gotten lost going to the store. You're like, I know what to do. They're driving to the snow and not come back. How are the kids doing with all of it, like, did they have anxiety your daughter little, right? They both

Lana 38:04
do slightly. So they've been going through counseling kind of on and off. You know, as they've needed nothing significant. I think with my son and the seizure like that, does sometimes come up that he's worried about those at the beginning, he would probably like over treat the lows. And I could just tell his mind was thinking, you know, of the seizure, yeah. But now, like, he's pretty, like, he like, he doesn't like to be high either, and so he's pretty, pretty good with not over treating. But you know, he never ignores it. So

Scott Benner 38:40
have you ever heard Arden discuss the seizure she had after her senior prom? No, I haven't. Oh, it's in her SEC she's only been on the show twice, but it's in her second episode we talk about it. Okay, yeah. So I don't know if it'll like, make you feel better or freak you out. I can't exactly tell, but yet, I'll share this one thing that she said. So I asked her, like, are you worried about this happening again? And she said, I did everything right. She's like, I look back, I've thought about it 1000 times. She's like, I think it was just the extra activity throughout the day, and probably a lot of adrenaline holding my blood sugar up throughout the day, and then all that insulin just caught up at the end. And you know, I then we ate a meal in the middle of the night. She's like, and I, even though I'd cut my insulin back on that, I knew I didn't need as much as normal. I took less. It was still too much. The thing that ended up comforting her was that she didn't do anything wrong. And she's like, so if it happened, it happened, but I got to live my life still like. That was kind of her attitude about it was really interesting to hear her talk about it, yeah. But anyway,

Lana 39:45
I remember, like, I remember crying to my doctor about being worried about making a mistake. Like that was just the big thing in my head that, you know, scared to make a mistake. Yeah,

Scott Benner 39:55
no kidding. Well, even the 12 units, 12 carbs. Thing that's not crazy to have happen. You know, you're rushing around or something, and she's probably trying to get to school and, you know, that whole thing so, but now today, how long ago was that, by the way, how long ago were you with the therapy and doing those, those different techniques? How long has it been since you did that stuff? So

Lana 40:19
I went off of my stress leave just over a year ago. Okay, and

Scott Benner 40:25
how do you feel today?

Lana 40:26
Pretty good like I feel. Yeah, definitely things are better and more Stabler, and I'm working on my own health and self care and trying to take care of myself. But I also know that if I went back to work full time, things might go downhill again.

Scott Benner 40:45
So you're just part time right now. Yeah, yeah. You have it set up so that your schedule allows you to be there during what you think of as more important times.

Lana 40:54
Um, so currently, my job is working from home, so it's actually really amazing that I can get them off to school, I'm home when they get home from school. And it's just flexible so I can see what's happening. And it's the type of job that if something does happen, it's okay for me just to tell my coworkers, sorry, diabetes emergency, I've got to go. Yeah,

Scott Benner 41:15
wow, that's great. So many people work from home now it's amazing, yeah? Like, I know it doesn't seem amazing to younger people, but it really is. It's crazy. My wife has been home every day since covid, so I don't even how long it feels like it's been three years, and she just took a different position at another company, and she's in the middle of this two week break right now, and she starts her new job on Monday, and she's gonna have to be in the office, I think, three days a week. And I was like, I was so bummed out. I was like, Oh, I'm gonna miss her. Like, I love that she's here, and like, we can see each other throughout the day and everything, and she doesn't seem as upset about leaving me as I pros

Lana 41:57
and cons, I think, like, getting out of the house, and, you know, being social, there's, there's good parts to that, too. No, for

Scott Benner 42:04
certain, yeah, for real. Wow, huh? Well, what made you want to share all this?

Lana 42:10
I think it was like you had posted something about looking for guests that had used the basquimi. Yeah, there's so much that sometimes people don't know. They don't know that it's as much of a risk as it's still like, it is a risk, and you should be prepared for it, you know. And just to remind people to, like, always have it with you, always have sugar with you. Like, even just to practice, you know, we've done that since then, but we've just, I've gotten my husband to to practice doing one that was expired. And

Scott Benner 42:45
I love the way you say it back. Squee. Me. I don't actually know how to say it. I say back. Semi, but I have no idea not the point. The point is, this is the one in the little like, put it up your nose and and squeeze it, and it like, kind of shoots a powder in your nose. Is that right? Yeah, okay. Did he describe that as being unpleasant, pleasant, not pleasant. But what was his experience with it? Or was he so out of it, he didn't really know about it? Yeah, I don't think he even remembers that happening. Yeah, the vomiting is common after the glutagon. I think,

Lana 43:14
yeah, it can be. And I think the second reason of wanting to come on was just that, like that mental health piece that in the diabetes appointments, it's usually focused on the kids, but I think there needs to be more help for the parents to be able to, kind of like, just manage their mental health and to to know that they need to take care of themselves kind of extra well when you've got all of this stress on you. Yeah,

Scott Benner 43:37
no. I mean, Arden's diabetes. I mean, I guess that part of me hope she never hears this, but Arden's diabetes, like fundamentally changed my life, and my wife's as well. My son's probably too, you know? I mean, on top of hers. I mean, once you get into a rhythm and it's a day to day thing, I don't think of it as a thing that I'm consciously aware of all the time. I mean, we've been at it for a long time now, but at the same time, I do think that I'm gonna say something kind of weird and hippy for a second, but I think the vibration that we live at is different than it would be without diabetes. Like, there's that makes sense, yeah, definitely, yeah. There's like, a raised level of awareness constantly. You know, little things, like, even just before I started recording with you, like, I I have to mute my phone to record the podcast. So I looked at Arden's blood sugar before I muted the phone. And, yeah, you know, and then there is this, like, small part, part in your head that's like, Okay, well now it's gonna be an hour before you look at it again. And so now I'm there's a little bit of me that's waiting for the table to vibrate from my phone, because it won't be because I've, I've silenced it, but my phone will vibrate if she gets low or high. And I think that just happening all the time. It's interesting, or I've noticed that she's away at school now, and you only get. So many touch points with your kids, like, when they're older, and I feel like some of the touch points that I would use on, how are you, what are you doing? What you've been working on at school, I miss you. Get used on, hey, don't forget to change your pump. Or, you know, can you tell me how much insulin you have left if we have to order more. Like, I feel like I some of my touch points get wasted on stuff like that. Sometimes that makes sense. Definitely.

Lana 45:26
Like, I try to make it when they get home from school that I'll ask them something non diabetes before I talk about diabetes. But it's hard. Just I've got my to do list of things I need to check. And yeah, sometimes

Scott Benner 45:41
I stopped myself. It was a smart thing to do. Like, I didn't want her to think that I, like, just saw her, like, diabetes, or that I'd been sitting at home all day waiting to ask her if, blah, blah, blah, you know, so when she'd come home, I would definitely, I definitely switch to that just, you know, talk about anything except that, yeah, yeah. I think that's a good idea. Good for you. Jeez, anything happy happening? Share a fun story. Lana, are there polar bears, where you live, or anything cool like that? No, no. Polar bears. Have you ever seen a Mountie? Um, nope. You have a pet penguin? Anything good? No,

Lana 46:24
I don't know. I do have, like, a vision of, I want to, like, just spend more time in nature. And so that's not like there's always snow here, but I like to go camping. But I do have this thought of, like, be fun to have an igloo that you could stay in all

Scott Benner 46:41
right. Now we're getting Canadian now, yeah, how often in a year do you think I hope a bear doesn't kill me?

Lana 46:49
There's no bears where I am, where the hell Oh, what

Scott Benner 46:51
are you in? One of those cities that they have in Canada, it's

Lana 46:55
in so it's in Alberta, and it's, yeah, just it's out of the mountains. So there's, there's no bears here.

Scott Benner 47:01
Gotcha a moose? Ever walked through town or anything like that? Yeah, there would be like,

Lana 47:06
there's deer in our city. Sometimes see the deer. There's

Scott Benner 47:10
deer in my backyard. I was looking for a moose. So, yeah, Geez, it's kind of boring. Have you ever heard the the episode where I talking with a nine year old Canadian girl and I, I try to convince her that she's not even sure if there are cars in the United States or not, because she's never been there. You have your Canadian episodes. I just love Canada. I love how you guys stab each other in bars and play hockey. It's all fantastic. I think my honest to God, favorite Canadian thing that sticks out from the podcast is when the One girl said she was a can can dancer in the Yukon. If you ever heard that, or not, I love that. Yeah, this is my favorite Canadian thing that's ever happened, actually. Anyway. What have we not talked about that we should have? I don't want to. I don't want to miss anything. And we're like in the last quarter of your time. So is there other stuff like, outside of this topic that you're interested in sharing? I

Lana 48:00
feel like the stress and the mental health kind of burden, it's just like, I think it's aged me. And so, like, during covid, I'd put on 60 pounds, and I was just like, I thought I had lupus, you know, I was like, in chronic pain. And part of it, I think, was like stress eating and just living a life of stress. So it's just really important to me now to try to take care of myself. And recently, I've kind of signed up for some program that I want to prevent myself from getting type two diabetes. So that's kind of my my newest thing that I'm trying to learn about, you know, insulin resistance in myself. And I just feel like with them having type one, I owe it to them to take care of myself and prevent type two. Yeah,

Scott Benner 48:50
I knocked 50 pounds off with GLP, if you want to give that a shot, really. Yeah, I've

Lana 48:55
lost 30 so far. So good for you. That's

Scott Benner 48:58
wonderful. Yeah, I think I might have had an actual metabolic problem, so I didn't change how I ate and lost 50 pounds. But nevertheless, actually, oh yeah,

Lana 49:10
this feels good to like, feel better. And so, you know, do something if you're not finding what's try something different.

Scott Benner 49:19
Yeah. No, I can't. I can't agree with you. Enough, I had done the things and nothing happened. So I was like, alright, am I gonna try something else? This medication became, like, so popular, and I talked to a doctor about it. It's been, been a year and a month now since I started it, and just I've lost, like I said, I've lost 50 pounds, and my wife's used it as well, really changed her life. And I saw my doctor on Saturday. Me, she's taking my vital signs. And she kept, like, under her breath, going like a kid. She kept saying to me, she's like, you're like a kid, these numbers are terrific. And I was like, Yep, and like, yeah, all my aches and pains are gone. And, you know, I went down so many sizes and clothing. I went from a two. 2x t shirt to a large like, I didn't even wear a large T shirt when I was like 18. My waist size, I know ladies just have pant sizes, but my waist went from a 38 to a 32 Yeah, that's good. I'm glad you're doing it. So you do it with exercise. You changed your eating habits back to where they were prior. Probably, yeah,

Lana 50:18
I've tried changing the timing so I don't eat after supper, and then, so, yeah, a little bit of timing, and then lessening my carbs, trying to eat more protein and fiber, and, you know, just overall, trying to eat healthier. Just good ideas. Yeah, exercising,

Scott Benner 50:36
that's excellent. The not eating after a certain time once you get to a certain age, is very, I think, kind of important, to be honest, especially you don't want, like, overnight food sitting in your stomach and digesting and, you know, just a lot of reasons for to want to avoid that. So are you eating in like, a fasting window? Have you tried that? Yeah, kind

Lana 50:57
of, but I just like supper is the last time I eat and then breakfast, I'll usually kind of delay it a little bit. I used to, like, you know, have something carbs, right, first thing in the morning, where now I just try to have something more like protein and a little bit of carbs. And I would probably wait a little bit till after I exercise. Yeah,

Scott Benner 51:16
that's, it's a great idea. I mean, it's one o'clock in the afternoon here. When you and I get done, I'm gonna eat breakfast, and I've been up since eight o'clock. So, yeah, I kind of agree with the all those ideas. Actually, I think you're onto something very nice. It's excellent. And do you feel better, like, in general, like body wise, you do feel better, right? Definitely,

Lana 51:37
yeah. Like, before I would just be so achy that it would be hard to get up off the floor, just all of the weight on my joints and everything, like I just, you know, I was tired all the time. I was crankier, I was more anxious. So taking care of myself has been really important. We've

Scott Benner 51:57
noticed all the same stuff, like we were getting to the point now, like we'd watch TV for an hour. I know TV is this thing. It's a box in your room Atlanta, and like, a picture comes on a sound, but like, so we were we do that and stand up to walk out of the room, and one of us would like, limp out of the room, or, like, your back, your back wouldn't straighten all the way up. And you're like, laughing about it, but you're also like, what the is happening? All that's like, gone now. It's fantastic. Awesome. Yeah, that's very cool. Long term for your kids. I mean, they're still pretty young, right? So are you very involved at this point out of the stress, anxiety piece, or do you let them do it and you kind of oversee it, like, what's the day to day look like with you guys?

Lana 52:40
They're 11 and 13 now, and I'm still fairly involved. My thought is just, you know, after they're 18, once they move out like then they have to do it 100% and right now, I'm happy to help them, you know. And I know eventually they need to be a little bit more independent. But for now, I don't feel it's the right time, and just do what I can to take off some of the burden from them. But they do some things on their own, like at school, they know their carbs, what they're eating, and they enter it in the pump. And they're doing that independently. Occasionally, with my daughter, she'll forget doses. So I've started recently just doing another text to her, just to remind her, yeah, this is the first that they've been more independent before it was for sure. I was always texting them, and they would tell me what their dose was,

Scott Benner 53:32
right? So you see it growing slowly. Yeah, that's how I like it. Actually. Do you think if you release them feral right now, they could take care of themselves? No,

Lana 53:40
I don't think like their brains aren't ready to take Lana. I used

Scott Benner 53:46
to take a lot of crap from people who'd be like, you're doing it all for her. She's not gonna know how to do it when she's an adult, like all that stuff. And I would always tell them, like, I'm, first of all, we talk about it while we're doing it. It's not a big secret. You know, like, I see a plate this looks like this, bunch that looks like this, looks like that. Maybe we should extend it here, etc, like, that kind of stuff. And so she was learning as we were going. And then there's times where you'd just be like, hey, bullish, your meal and see what you think. Or we'd even do that thing where I'd be like, Hey, I know how much I think you should have. What do you think? And then she'd say, and I'd be like, well, let's try what you think. You know, and like, we would do that, that stuff a lot. And then, I mean, Arden's two years into college now. She's almost done her second year, which is insane, and she's doing great, like her a 1c is, I mean, I don't even really look at it anymore, to be perfectly honest with you, I'd have to look to see what it is.

Lana 54:37
We definitely like do that, to try to get them just to kind of help with some decisions. And, you know, what do you think? And, you know, kind of we do the sugar surfing method. Kind of just recently, I've listened to that episode of yours with Dr ponder, okay, so kind of trying to just teach them that a little bit. And just like he's interested in, like, learning. About clarity. So every week, I'll print off the AGP report, just kind of looking for things. And you know, he's curious. So he's wanting to know, you know, why I might make a change, or that's great, and look at it and see what he thinks. So I

Scott Benner 55:15
like a very slow, steady handoff. It takes years. Actually, I'm probably with you. I don't like the idea of just like, flopping all this on an 11 year old and being like, hey, you can do this. Because I'm not sure that it works that way.

Lana 55:29
If I'm stressing it, I'm sure they would be stressed doing it themselves. Yeah,

Scott Benner 55:33
they came to me and said, Look, you know, I want to, I want you out of this. I'd say, All right, well, I can, you know, you can do it, but you know, we're gonna have checks and balances in place, and then once it all looks good, then, you know, okay, but not just gonna flop. I mean, honestly, they're 13 and 11, right? Like, what else are they in charge of? Nothing. You know what I mean. So I think it's weird to put an 11 year old in charge of, like, a major health thing that's difficult and daily and unrelenting just seems strange. Yeah, so I agree with the idea. Have you heard the Pro Tip series for the podcast? Yes, okay. Was that helpful? Definitely. Oh, good, good, good.

Lana 56:11
I've recommended it a lot to to other people that have been diagnosed since my kids were and, yeah, definitely love the pro tips and kind of just random other ones that I've listened to, like the defining diabetes. I'll kind of just go through the lists with the pictures of what is in each one, and then pick what episode is something I want to learn about that day. Very

Scott Benner 56:31
nice. I shared that series this morning because somebody, somebody put up a photo of something that is very clearly something called feet on the floor, and another person came in and said, That's Dawn phenomenon. I was like, ah, it is not that. It's not Dawn phenomenon. And I so I said, Hey, here's a, you know, defining diabetes series. You can listen to what these different things are, these different terms, but you're misconstruing feet on the floor with Dawn phenomenon. I like that because they're shorter episodes, and people can get a lot of terms. Like, you know what I mean? Like, I supposed to know what all this stuff means. It's just a lot. So, yeah, very cool. I appreciate you doing this very much. I am going to say goodbye to you, and then I'm actually gonna go ready to I'm doing an interview with The New York Times today. Oh, fun.

Lana 57:18
I have one more question. Go ahead, do your thing Canada. Is there ever a chance that you would come to Canada to be a guest speaker?

Unknown Speaker 57:26
Okay?

Scott Benner 57:28
I was just approached by somebody on the West Coast, and I said, I'll do it like remotely, but I can't, I mean, it's like, it was like a six hour flight. I was like, I'm not doing that. I mean, if you could do more Toronto, Montreal, that's closer to me. Just something to

Lana 57:48
think about. I know there's lots of people that would love to have you come to Canada. And so

Scott Benner 57:53
I would love to see Canada. It's

Unknown Speaker 57:55
a great place.

Scott Benner 57:55
Well, listen, first of all, I think it would be nice if when I spoke about Canada, I actually knew what I was talking about that would, first of all, I think, be lovely instead of, instead of how I handle it right now,

Lana 58:06
I think you should put it on your list, and then I'm sure there'd be lots of people

Scott Benner 58:11
that would love to figure out their

Lana 58:13
way to do a conference.

Scott Benner 58:14
Yeah, no, I was very excited when someone reached out, but they were about as far away from me as they could possibly be without being in like, the tip of Alaska, yeah. I mean, I'd love to come to Canada. I wish. I hope somebody invites me and it tells me it's not six hours on a plane and two layovers and stuff like that. But for those people, I was like, I will absolutely do it virtually, like, no problem at all. But yeah, no, please reach out Canada, like during the warm months, if you would. Sounds good. Yeah, thank you so much. Elena. I don't want to be cold. I just want to be clear about

Lana 58:48
that. Yeah, come in the summer, it'll be fine, absolutely. Well,

Scott Benner 58:52
okay, all right. Well, I appreciate you doing this very much. Hold on one second

Unknown Speaker 59:01
for me. Okay, I

Scott Benner 59:02
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