#1048 Flight Risk

Heather has child with type 1 diabetes and a few stories. 

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Scott Benner 0:00
Hello friends, and welcome to episode 1048 of the Juicebox Podcast

I'm laughing a little because Rob is now doing the editing for the show and he takes notes. It's not important he leaves me notes about the episodes so I can remember what they're about while I'm recording these opens. The episodes here are his notes are just hilarious right here for this episode. Apparently I'm supposed to call it flight risk. This is Heather. She's 32. Her 11 year old son was diagnosed with type one in January of 2022. He had to be life flighted to a hospital. And we ended up talking about that. And her time in the military. Oh gosh, a horrible thing that happened to her when she gave birth to her second child. Anyway, I hope you enjoy it. While you're listening. Please remember that nothing you hear on the Juicebox Podcast should be considered advice, medical or otherwise, always consult a physician before making any changes to your healthcare plan or becoming bold with insulin. I think it's worth mentioning that I the file name for this is the person's name and I put the word butthole in parentheses, so I don't remember why I did that. But let's go

this episode of the juice. Oh, you know what? I don't know who the hell this episode of The Juicebox Podcast is sponsored by homeless second I gotta open up a document here. That was embarrassing. I guess it doesn't need to be embarrassing. I could just take it out. But I think we all know I'm not going to do that. So looks like Omni pod episode 1048. And no. Are you did that? Did that one? Oh, what's tomorrow's date? Is this fun for you guys hearing how the podcast gets made because it's bore the hell out of me. October right. Yeah, don't oh, he wanted and yet, we just did that one. Okay, this episode of The Juicebox Podcast is sponsored by Omni pod makers of the Omni pod dash and Omni pod five. Learn more and get started today at Omni pod.com/juicebox. That's Omni pod.com/juicebox podcast is also sponsored today. By touched by type one touched by type one.org. Also find them on Facebook and Instagram. They're huge. Oh, their big event is coming up dancing for diabetes. I think there's still tickets available. If you're in the Orlando area. You do not want to miss it touched by type one.org. Alright guys, podcast here comes.

Heather 2:59
I am Heather. I am in Central Washington. My now 11 year old was diagnosed with type one last January. So we're just over a year in. I guess we can start with that son,

Scott Benner 3:16
daughter. Son, son. Yes. Was there any reason to think someone in the family was going to get an autoimmune issue?

Unknown Speaker 3:25
Absolutely not.

Scott Benner 3:27
Okay. So no one in the family has celiac or thyroid?

Unknown Speaker 3:32
We're aware of?

Scott Benner 3:33
Nothing. Nobody talks about?

Speaker 2 3:35
No. And we don't really see family a lot. They're all in North Carolina, where we're originally from.

Scott Benner 3:41
Is Is that why you're on their side of the of the century?

Speaker 2 3:46
Yes. Yes, it sure is. Oh, we gotta go. Well, yeah. Yeah, we first moved to Chicago or Northern Chicago. And we were there for 10 years. And we were like, we're not far away enough. So let's keep going.

Scott Benner 4:09
Chicago was too close. But what did they do take a train, but I happen to

Speaker 2 4:14
know they never even visited but it was still too close. Too close.

Scott Benner 4:17
That's excellent. All right. Okay, so no reason to think that there's going to be type one. What was the what was the onset? Like?

Speaker 2 4:26
Oh, gosh. So we just moved to central Washington. What years are now 23 So 2021 in July. And then I would say things started to get noticeably bad. At the beginning of January of 2022. And he was starting to get lethargic. He and it progressively got To where he had a failure to thrive, he wasn't getting up. He was laying down he had no desire to do anything. He was hungry but wasn't hungry. He was thirsty all the time. I didn't realize he was peeing all the time, because well, he's a 10 year old boy at the time. And like, I don't watch them use the bathroom. We were homeschooling. So he wasn't at school. And he was lazing around all day. And then it was like a battle. Remember, one afternoon, we got a text from a contractor that was doing some work that our house saying that they had been exposed to COVID. And they get tested positive, and he had been at our house. And we were like, Okay, well, maybe all of this is COVID. Of course, that seems silly. looking back in hindsight, but

Scott Benner 5:51
COVID doesn't make up, does it? It doesn't doesn't at

Speaker 2 5:55
all. But we didn't I didn't know about type one diabetes. I've only worked with people with type two. And I've never known anyone with type one that I'm aware of.

Scott Benner 6:07
Okay, what do you what do you mean, you work? You work with people with type two, how, where did you do that?

Speaker 2 6:12
I worked at a nursing home for about five and a half years. And I had several patients that I worked with with type two. Gotcha. But they had had it for years. And I just was the CNA that helped them like I didn't do their care plans or their treatments or anything like that. So I just didn't have the background knowledge of type one diabetes. tested negative for COVID. And then the next day, like, actually, I'm terrible at storytelling, and you're really good at it. So perfect. No just made me nervous.

Scott Benner 6:51
You feel like you feel like I'm judging you for how you're telling your story.

Speaker 2 6:55
No, I don't feel like you're judging me at all. I feel like I'm judging myself.

Scott Benner 6:59
Oh, don't do that. You're doing because I want to remember all of the pieces, just say the parts that come to you. I'll pick through the rest. So

Speaker 2 7:07
like the week prior, I noticed, like shortness of breath going up the stairs. I noticed, like a few days going into it like his neck was like pulling in with his breath. He was losing weight, but I just chalked it up to he's getting taller. But thinner is really active. You know, the things that we all do,

Scott Benner 7:33
even though you've never once seen another human being grown that grow that way.

Speaker 2 7:38
Well, I've never really seen a lot of kids I because you live in the word not? Well, because I just don't hang around a lot of kids. I don't know that I really like kids. No offense to everyone listening. By the way. I love my kids.

Scott Benner 7:52
You made that very clear. When you made sure to let us all know that you don't watch your kid pay. You were like, it's not like I watched them pay. I was like, Thank God she cleared that up. That I thought Oh God, should I start asking people that are watching children use the bathroom because maybe we can identify a lot of creepers that way you don't I mean,

Speaker 2 8:14
right? I met him and his brother have their own floor of the house and they have their own bathroom. And I just don't know when he's using the bathroom. Okay, so there's that. But I could just see the weakness happening. And then the next morning, he like collapses and the bathroom because he couldn't hold himself up anymore. And so it's snowing outside, we're in the hills. And I was like, we're gonna go to urgent care. But now we're gonna go to the emergency room. So I had my husband carry him down the stairs that were slippery. Put him in the truck. And I drove to the emergency room and on my way I called the hospital. And I was like, hey, like my son's in a lot of pain. He's almost unconscious. I'm bringing him in. And I need someone to meet me at the door with a wheelchair because I don't know that I can carry a dead weight of 80 pounds.

Scott Benner 9:17
Well, you're like one of those TV shows where they call from the rig and they're like, we're coming in and then you gave like, yeah, like this stuff. That's nice. Do you do I get that but do you know how old I am?

Speaker 2 9:27
I think you're about 50 Yeah, the

Scott Benner 9:30
answer is I'm so old. That the TV show that I pictured when I when I when I just had that thought. It's so old. I have to look it up because I don't remember what it is. And it was just when television color was looking good. All right, hold on, right. It was How old are you?

Unknown Speaker 9:54
I am 32

Scott Benner 9:56
You have no idea what I'm even thinking of then

Speaker 2 10:00
Hold on, I have to make sure what we're in 2023 Yeah, I'm 32 I'll be 33 this year.

Scott Benner 10:05
Yeah, I'm thinking of a show from the late 70s called emergency.

Speaker 2 10:10
Oh, I've seen that have you? And the only shows that I'll watch on TV are like medical shows, but I can't get into that one that you and your daughter love,

Scott Benner 10:21
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Unknown Speaker 12:42
Yeah, I can't get into it.

Scott Benner 12:44
I say something about Grey's Anatomy. I stopped watching for it. I stopped watching. They took an entire season to stand on the beach and bring back old characters as ghosts and I was like, Alright, that's enough. You crossed my line. That's weird. Yeah. Yeah. what it felt like was that the star wanted a year at the beach. That's what it felt like to me. They were they were like don't leave the show. What if we put you up in a beautiful beach house. And we did all the shooting on the beach. And she went alright, I'll do that. That's how it felt to me. Anyway, I'm done. rampart was the hospital name and emergency in the late 70s that I can actually remember from being a child watching that show. Not not the point in my mind. There's a guy with dark hair on like an old CB radio looking thing explaining the symptoms of your son as you're going to the hospital. That's how I see your story.

Speaker 2 13:36
Yeah, his he was having like stomach pains. I could see him gasping for breath. And it was it was really scary. I've never seen anything like it. I would like to not ever see anything like it again. And I 10 out of 10 don't recommend it for anyone. Yeah,

Scott Benner 13:57
your explanation of his neck heaving scared me.

Speaker 2 14:01
Oh, it scared me. Yeah. And it happened like overnight, like I could see it a little bit. But it wasn't that bad. He had had his COVID vaccine. So I was like, I mean, if it's COVID like they're not going to do anything for him. And then his shortness of breath, like kept increasing. And I was like, I kind of take them to the hospital. Yeah, no,

Scott Benner 14:21
I mean, good job walked into

Speaker 2 14:23
the hospital or I mean, I guess good job. He had a 12.9 a one C and the doctors were like, he's about 24 hours from a coma. Like Good job.

Scott Benner 14:35
Well, at least that Yeah, we didn't get there. Before that. I kept. I kept firing at Arden. I was like, Gee, she's really skinny ish, lethargic. She's sleeping all the time. But then she eats like crazy. But then she's a zombie. Yeah. And I was like she must be must be sick. Sick. I had a kid already. It kid was like five years old. I had been sick a number of times. It did never look like that and still Right, we were just sort of like, Yeah, she'll probably get over this. She'll probably get her. Yeah, right. I don't even know that you think about it that deeply. I think what the real truth is, I hate to say it like this, you're the real truth is that we have no expectation of children dying. Like, that's how good medical, that's how good medicine is now, because if it's a few 100 years ago, you were making five babies hoping to keep two of them. You know, so like, but nowadays, like we don't we have no expectation of something like the following a child. And so right. When it starts happening, you think, Oh, this will go away? Because that's what's happens. Right, but not your situation. Okay. You were in the hospital now. Did they meet you with a chair?

Speaker 2 15:40
Oh, they met me with a chair. And apparently they immediately smelt the what is it that sweet smell or whatever the smell is on his breath, and they took him back? Almost instantly. They took him back and I was still trying to register at the front desk.

Scott Benner 15:58
Yeah. Wow. So they knew right away? Yeah,

Speaker 2 16:02
I don't have a sense of smell. I haven't since I was 1718 years old when I worked in the nursing home. That place smelled bad.

Scott Benner 16:08
You don't have any sense of smell. It is coming

Speaker 2 16:12
back finally. Real but it's been 15 years. Yeah.

Scott Benner 16:16
All that because the PP you were like, well, I don't want to smell this anymore. You think your brain shut it off? Yeah, I

Speaker 2 16:21
don't think it was the pee pee part of it. I think it was the they were patients with C diff, which is an infection in your bowel. And it smells horrendous. I started when I was 17. And my body was like, the new count me out.

Scott Benner 16:39
Talk to you out of being able to smell. That seems not like a technical description, but it's very interesting. So you couldn't smell his breath one way or the other.

Speaker 2 16:47
I smelled it one time, but I didn't know what I was smelling. Because I've never smelled it before. And I never smelled it again after that.

Scott Benner 16:53
Yeah, kinda like sweet or metallicky or something like that. I think yeah, I

Unknown Speaker 16:58
think it's I don't remember.

Scott Benner 16:59
I think it's the ketones are smelling. Yeah. Yeah, probably. So what happened? I mean, he's that close. Does he go right in the ICU? Do you get to see them? Like, is it COVID time.

Speaker 2 17:12
So it is COVID time. But the problem is, is we're in Central Washington. So we have one hospital in our county, I think, or at least local to us. And they do not have any not one single pediatric specialist here in town. So they were able to know enough to get a slow insulin drip in him. And then they called Seattle Children's and I'm sure other facilities to try to get him into there. And we ended up being life flighted to Seattle Children's. And that was quite traumatizing. But they did let me in the room. They came in and told me that he had type one diabetes, I ran all of his tests and all of this and I just like fell to the ground crying. My husband was at home with my youngest son. So I was there by myself. And we only have one vehicle, because we've just been a one vehicle family because both my husband and I worked from home and we don't need a second vehicle. And I was like, how are they going to drive to Seattle when the vehicles here at the hospital? We don't have family here. We just moved. We don't know a lot of people. There was so many logistics, and it was quite stressful. We figured it out, though.

Scott Benner 18:32
Yeah. A very overwhelming life. Like they put him in. They put him in a helicopter.

Speaker 2 18:37
Yeah, they put us on an ambulance took us to the airport and put them in a helicopter at the airport and flew us over the mountains to Seattle.

Scott Benner 18:48
Wow. Did they stabilize him at all before they did that?

Speaker 2 18:52
He was in and out of consciousness and on the entire helicopter ride.

Scott Benner 18:56
Did he have any insulin for the ride?

Speaker 2 18:59
They did have a drip going in. But I don't know how much it was interesting. But he was in and out of consciousness for probably the first 24 to 36 hours.

Scott Benner 19:10
Wow. Wow. Yes. Crazy. Did he have any deficits afterwards?

Speaker 2 19:14
No, not that we have. Not that we found? No. All of his organs seem to be working like they are supposed to be.

Scott Benner 19:24
Well, that's super lucky. That's I mean, yeah. Did you know why in hindsight that they move him did they feel like they couldn't help him there?

Speaker 2 19:32
Oh, they could not help him. They're not at all like they would not admit him because they don't have pediatric specialist here. Like there's not a pediatric endocrinology in my town. I have to drive three hours to get there.

Scott Benner 19:44
Over a mountain. Well, we fired them. That's a whole nother story. Find out they pulled them out mountain people are drawn to.

Speaker 2 19:51
Yeah, and then now we go the opposite direction to Spokane. Yeah,

Scott Benner 19:55
okay, tell me a little I've two things before I want to move on. So tell me why you stopped I've seen the initial doctors,

Speaker 2 20:01
we saw them 30 days post diagnosis. And they were like, we have this technology, we have this technology. And we wait six months to get on this. And mind you, I've already started listening to the podcast at this point. So I was already, like, a few weeks into listening. And I was like, I don't know how I feel about that. But I'll humor you. And we'll see what happens. And we get the Dexcom. After some, it felt like fighting with the facility. And I was like, Alright, so my son is starting to develop disordered eating habits, like he's choosing not to eat because he doesn't want insulin injections. And I'm not having that, because I'm not going to have my 10 year old starting with disordered eating habits. And we want to pump and they were like, oh, we can't do that. And I was like, oh, no, we can I want to pop. And they were like, You can't do that until six months, we need to prove whatever it was like, No, you don't. We want to pump I need you to send in the prescription. Because if you say it's gonna take six months, then we need to start now because I'm already gonna have to fight with insurance. Yeah. And on the six month mark, if that's what you're saying, I want to put a pump on his arm. And they were like, No. And I was like, yes. Do it.

Scott Benner 21:23
And instead of having the fight, you went somewhere else?

Speaker 2 21:26
Well, no, they finally put the prescription in. Okay. And then they thought that because insurance denied it that we were just gonna let it go. And I was like, Absolutely not. So I paid for the first month out of pocket and they were pissed.

Scott Benner 21:39
Oh, so you showed up, like right away with the pump? Because you were like, just said, You didn't go back? No, because you were just like, send send in the script. And you know, six months from now we'll get our pump. But as soon as the script hit, you made it happen. 100% I wasn't playing like I'm with them. Yeah. And you went to a pump for cash until you could get it worked out with your insurance.

Speaker 2 21:57
Correct. And the insurance wanted a medical necessity letter and the doctor wouldn't give it until we went back for our six month appointment. So I fired them, called a different doctor. Let them know what we needed. And they're like, Oh, I'll write you a letter right now. Yeah, so they sent out a letter. And like, the next month it was covered, and it was no big deal.

Scott Benner 22:17
I'm gonna talk about this in a minute. But first, I want to tell you something. I guess I'm gonna start by asking you a question. How does? How does food taste to you? This is gonna seem like such a left turn. But how does it? How does food tastes do? Do you have like a strong feeling for how food tastes or not really?

Speaker 2 22:33
I don't? I think it's a really good question. It's something I've thought about a lot. Well, let me tell you something. I don't know if I taste food the same way everyone else does.

Scott Benner 22:42
Whether you should google it. If you smell okay, ready? Here it is tasting tasting is actually smelling. I know it is commonly thought that the flavor of food is experienced by the taste buds on the tongue. In fact, the mouth distinguishes only rudimentary information on sweetness, saltiness, sourness and bitterness. odour molecules from food. I guess that's odor, am I gonna? Yeah, I'm just like, I'm on an Australian website. Like why is that spelled wrong? odor molecules from food, rise to the olfactory epithelium, and supplement the information from the tongue with a much more sophisticated with much more sophisticated data. That's why food tastes bland when you have a head cold. Oh, no kidding. The olfactory epithelium is clogged with mucus and can't function properly. Better. health.vic.gov.

Speaker 2 23:33
I told several doctors this and none of them seem to be concerned.

Scott Benner 23:38
Hmm. Okay. And then that thought leads me into this thought which I'm going to wrap back around to what you were saying because Alright, so my kids have like, flown the coop. You know what I mean? Like Arden's gonna have to keep coming back when in college breaks, but Cole left, he's got a job. It's going well, I'm pretty sure we're never gonna see him again. And and, and that's not sure we're actually gonna go visit him in a week. But that but and Arden's a college, right. And she has long, her college is set up for it. Interestingly, she gets a very long break at the holidays. But then when she heads back, she just got another break for like six months. It's they do it in quarters. And anyway, not the point. Point is, I don't have anybody here to worry about and Kelly doesn't seem to like it when I worry about her. So after 51 years, and I mean this like sincerely not maybe every one of my 51 years, but you know, my parents had trouble being parents. So I parented my brothers and my parents that sometimes. And then my father left, and I was literally raised my brothers from the time I was 13. My middle brother was eight, my youngest brother was three, like my mom got up every morning and went to a job and didn't come back till five or six o'clock. So like, yeah, you know, I raised them as well as a 13 year old maybe could raise two kids Then I met my wife, she had some issues with her family, we got through those than we had kids. And then there was like two years narrow us, like, look at how great and then boom, diabetes. I really think there were like two good years in my life, I think around 2000 2001. And then, of course, the World Trade thing happened in the middle of my good time, so not particularly good. And anyway, and then I've been paying attention to Arden's health, and then learning more about Kelly's health, and then my sons, and you know what I forgot to do, Heather, take care of your health, I did forget to take care of myself. Yeah, I didn't pay any attention to myself. So there's like a decade in the middle of my life where my iron was low, where I just suffered. I just suffered through it. And it was terrible, right? So I figured that out. And then I'm like, okay, that's fine. Like, this is probably it, you know, but they laughed, and I was like, Ah, I really, like I spent so much time like, I don't know, playing Doctor House, and being like, you know, what I think this means, you know, I think this could be that, like, I mean, the way I figured out Cole's Hashimotos is insane. I found a symptom buried in an NIH article, like a symptom that never happens to anybody. And I was like, that's this, and then boom, thyroid medication is okay. So I thought, let me turn this on myself a little. And I made an appointment with Dr. Benito, Who's the doctor who's come on and talked about thyroid stuff here. And his Ardennes, integrative endocrinologist handles Ardens thyroid and actually is going to start handling Ardens diabetes as an adult. And does my kids thyroid and my wife's and all this stuff, right? So I sat down, and I made this comprehensive list of everything that's been wrong with me my whole life. Because I was like, let me see if there's overlap between what I see with the kids, right, because maybe we have things obviously going on similar. I make this comprehensive list and make an appointment. I go into Dr. Medina, his office on Saturday, and she's like, tell me, you know, she's like, you're here because and I said, I just, I have some things going on. I'm living with them. Okay. But I look at my body. And I think it's not functioning properly. Like it's, it's just not like, Heather, I don't eat very much food. I weigh more than I should. I, you know, I'm Yeah. When I was active, this is what my body looked like, when the podcast got really popular. And I just sit here in this chair, most of the day, it didn't change. This is what I look like. Like it just it's always this level of like, I mean, I guess it's alright, like that kind of thing. And so we went through everything. And here's why you want to get a good doctor, Dr. BENITO heard my concerns, and said, Here, go get a blood draw. This is what I'm going to test for. She tested for thyroid, even though I don't have any thyroid system symptoms. She's testing for low testosterone. She's testing for like, everything my iron, like things that you would like things that I was like, Why do you test for this? She goes, it supports this here. I'm like, okay, whatever, just go for it. And I And she's like, if you want you can try an injectable to like, lose some weight with too. And I was like, really? And she was sure why not? I was like, yeah, why not? Like, why am I wasting my life trying to find this perfect avenue to fix something? Like why not? Like you don't have that I don't drink I don't smoke. I don't get high. Like I? Why not? Why not inject something once a week to see if it helps me lose weight? Or see if my metabolism? Who the hell knows. But why am I just okay with this? I don't know. Well, the reason is, is that every doctor I've ever gone to in the past looks at me and goes, you're right. Yeah, it's convenient. I agree with them. Right? But I wouldn't if it was my kid. I'd be like, no, no, you're wrong. Keep looking. What? It's me. It's me. I'm like, yeah, he's probably okay. I mean, I get up in the morning. So anyway, I don't know what's about to happen to me. My blood test is literally just out now. But this this lady is going to aggressively address anything that she sees. And and I think, you know, coming when it comes to diabetes, like that's what you need, you know, anyway, yeah,

Speaker 2 29:29
I will say that last year, I was fighting with my own doctors for my own health. Because visibly, I am a thin, healthy abled body that doesn't have any issues. Well, they were wrong. They were very wrong. I fought them for like six months. I'm a veteran. So I go to the VA. That's just a pain in itself. In my current clinic because I'm at a satellite clinic, because we're so far away from civilization. But it took four to six months for them to finally draw full panels. Like I was asking, I was like, something's wrong in my thyroid. Something's wrong with this. Why am I doing the work for you? They finally drew and they're like, oh, no, your ferritin levels are low. And I was like, Oh, I feel like Scott. My ferritin was down to 5.2. The day I had my first iron infusion.

Scott Benner 30:30
Wow, how are you even walking? That's crazy.

Speaker 2 30:33
I wasn't. I wasn't walking. I was in bed. I would say 18 hours a day. Because my brain wasn't functioning. My body wasn't functioning. Sure. And I was like, something is wrong with me. No, you're fine. No, I'm not that they

Scott Benner 30:51
tried to tell you what they did. They try to give you the like, the like the old like, you're just, you know, sad, or you need to exercise or eat that they hit you with all that bullshit?

Speaker 2 31:01
Oh, yeah, of course. But I'm a personal trainer and a nutrition coach. Like, I know, I need to work out I know how to eat. I'm good. But I can't do it. Because I don't have the energy.

Scott Benner 31:10
Right? That's interesting. I can't get out of

Unknown Speaker 31:13
the bed.

Scott Benner 31:14
How many it was? How many? How many infusions? What did they give you? They give you injector for to give you the other one?

Speaker 2 31:21
I had to have injector for before? Thanksgiving last year? Okay. How long like a new person?

Scott Benner 31:29
Yeah. Would it take a couple months for you to feel better? Yeah, I would say probably the

Speaker 2 31:33
beginning of this year, middle of January, I really started to

Scott Benner 31:38
feel good. Here's the fun question. Did you have a heavy period before this?

Speaker 2 31:42
No, I have endometriosis. So I actually use a birth control that stops my period, so that I don't have period issues, and issues with endometriosis. So I don't even have a period.

Scott Benner 32:00
You don't have a period. So new. All right. I'm going to say something. All right, Dr. House, I want to give it to me, I want everybody to keep in mind that I'm borderlining on an idiot, I almost didn't graduate from high school, etc, etc, and so on and so forth. But you know, how they say like, Oh, that 10 years ago, it was the data is telling us that people with type one diabetes are frequently low on vitamin D. And now in the last couple of years, the data is like, you know, basically the population is low on vitamin D. And, okay, endometriosis isn't an autoimmune disease. But isn't it interesting that you can't keep your iron up? Yeah. How? How? And isn't it interesting that you can't keep your iron up and your kid has type one diabetes, and I can't keep my iron up? And my kid has type one diabetes?

Unknown Speaker 32:58
Maybe it's just a coincidence.

Scott Benner 33:01
Maybe it is. But why is it we're hearing so much about people on the podcast whose iron is super low, and they're walking around like zombies, and nobody wants to do anything for them. And then it's up to the person to fight to get this test. I'm telling you, a ferritin level should be part of should just be part of your blood draw when you get a blood draw every year. And if you're, if you're not getting your blood work done, and you have insurance, what are you doing? Just let them do it. You know? And then you look Oh, I

Unknown Speaker 33:30
do it annually? Yeah, of course.

Scott Benner 33:33
So your first and was five you beat me? I think my lowest was 11.

Speaker 2 33:39
I don't want to compete with that one. No, I don't want anyone to have that nonsense.

Scott Benner 33:44
Horrible brain fog, right.

Speaker 2 33:48
I was in school. What I was trying to do school, I had three classes I was in and I'm just trying to function and live my life. And I thought I was dying.

Scott Benner 33:57
And you have two kids. One of them has diabetes. You have to climb over a mountain to buy a gallon of milk.

Speaker 2 34:01
Yes, yeah. You should get a cow. Yeah. I would if my homeowner's association didn't say that. We can't have livestock.

Scott Benner 34:11
You haven't heard it yet on the podcast, but I there was about a week where I got like, enraptured with the idea of raising chickens. And one person was like, why don't you get a cow too? And I was like, what? I can't do that. What would I do with it? Well, I

Speaker 2 34:25
also want to get I think it's goats that they say they help clear the sagebrush off the side of the mountain that we live on. They help keep it like clean and safe from potential fires. Yeah, I want to get a goat. They won't let you know I can't have livestock. We have a perfect place for chickens and we can't have livestock.

Scott Benner 34:44
What if a couple of goats just got loose?

Speaker 2 34:47
I know, right? I've considered it. I'm just saying I've considered it. Old Man dog, Nick. It just sucks. So the President is right next door to our house.

Scott Benner 34:56
Yeah. Let me the goats out.

Speaker 2 34:58
I don't know old man. Dog pays a lot of attention to a lot of things that goes into the neighborhood and I just don't like it.

Scott Benner 35:04
Gotcha. Well, maybe his iron will get low and he won't be able to stand up and look out the window. Like really like, be life altering getting the the infusion, right.

Speaker 2 35:16
Oh 100% The like I'm back, obviously in school again this semester. And my ability is like a hundredfold different than it was last semester. I can focus I can concentrate i Life is just better. I was having shortness of breath. I was having chest pains. They sent me to the cardiologist. They did a CT scan. They did stress tests, they did echocardiograms, like they did everything was like, my heart is fine. Yeah, my lungs are fine. That's not the problem. Yeah, but you're having shortness of breath. Yeah, I am. But it's not because of my heart and my lungs.

Scott Benner 35:53
I think what they want to say is, yeah, but you're having shortness of breath. And the three days that we spent on shortness of breath in medical schools tells me to do this. Because we're just trying to stop you from dropping dead right now, we're not actually worried about why your shortness of breath, if it's not because of lung or heart issues, then you should go see a different doctor about that. And

Speaker 2 36:12
that's what I told them. I was like, I know I need to see a different doctor, send me to them. But again, as a veteran, all of the processes have to go through like this referral process. And there's hardly any specialists here in town. So my hematologist is an hour and a half away. Like it's a disaster.

Scott Benner 36:33
Yeah, that's interesting. Are you making any changes to your diet to try to keep your iron up? Or are you afraid your body's just gonna use it up and you'll be back in the same boat again,

Speaker 2 36:43
my diet is no different. I was eating red meat at least once a day prior to, like, I was eating my fair share of iron. And I don't know what was going on. So no, my diet hasn't changed. I've had my what was it three month check. And they said my iron levels were well above normal, they'll recheck again and three more months.

Scott Benner 37:06
Alright, so if, if if Dr. BENITO was here, she would tell you to take vitamin C.

Unknown Speaker 37:12
You know, I have that in my Amazon cart.

Scott Benner 37:16
Well, how long does it take to come over the mountain? Did they drop it from a parachute? Or how does it get over there? I mean, just a mail truck guy in the car. Yeah. It's not as exciting where you live as I'm imagining. Like in my, in my imagination. You live on the Yellowstone ranch.

Unknown Speaker 37:33
I do live in between lots of orchards.

Scott Benner 37:36
Oh, that's lovely. That's very nice. Okay, so get get the vibrancy. And take it. Keep your iron out.

Speaker 2 37:43
Yeah, I do. I actually I lied. I do. I did change a little bit. I do eat a bit more berries because of the vitamin C that they provide with. And I

Scott Benner 37:53
did tell people why you care about vitamin C, because your

Speaker 2 37:57
body absorbs iron better if you take vitamin C,

Scott Benner 38:00
right, exactly. How did you learn this? Um,

Speaker 2 38:05
well, I've been anemic most of my adult life. And the doctor has told me one doctor was halfway useful before I moved.

Scott Benner 38:16
I don't want to be married to you. I don't feel like it would be fun.

Speaker 2 38:20
My husband probably thinks the same. But we're gonna hit 10 years in the fall, so it must not be too bad.

Scott Benner 38:26
Maybe he just likes the beatings. Who knows. You're just like, how did you describe that other doctor? I had another doctor who was halfway useful. Yes. Hard as a married person. I was like, oh, that's how Kelly feels about me. I know for sure.

Speaker 2 38:44
I find my husband to be very useful. He is way more useful than doctors are.

Scott Benner 38:50
Oh my god. Hey, Ida, iron deficiency anemia increases autoimmune disease risk, particularly in female patients and patients with certain comorbidities, clinicians should conduct further clinical evaluations and laboratory tests of autoimmune diseases and patients with IDA great oh, here's a little like, like view into that. I when I wrote everything down to go to the doctor. I told her that about four weeks ago on a comfortable but chilly day. I found myself outside not expecting to stay outside. So I was in a short sleeve shirt and pants of some sort. So my let I'm trying to tell you my legs were covered. My arms weren't I didn't have any thickness on the top. It was the temperature was in the 50s early like low 50s. And I found myself holding a shovel. My neighbor saw me and we started chatting. So now the shovel is at my left side. I'm holding it about midway through the handle. It's kind of balancing its own weight in my hand and we talk for, I don't know 15 or 20 minutes and I go back inside and jump in the shower. And when I get in the shower, I realized my fingers on my left hand or blue, but not where the shovel was. And I'm like, What the hell? So oh, now it's all making sense. I called Kelly, who probably thought I was trying to trick her into getting in the shower with you. But I was like, Look at my hand. And I was like, Is this right? nods? And she's like, No. And I'm like, what? And then I believed her. Meanwhile, she has no background, you know, it was like, All right, yeah. And it warmed up and it went away. And I told Dr. BENITO that story and she goes, maybe Raynaud's, and I said, I don't. That's exactly what I thought. Right? And I said, Well, I don't know when she goes, okay. Okay. And then just she kind of filed it away in her head while she's going. But I have trouble holding on to iron. My kid has type one diabetes, my fingers get over the it's only been like the last 10 years. If I have, I have a lawn mower, I just made that noise. Because I don't know how to explain this. I have a lawn mower where I operate it with my hands up in the air above my heart, and out in front of me. And if I do that, on cold days, my fingers get very cold. And there's some and if I lay on my back and hold my phone up in front of me, my fingers get like weird. Interesting. Yes. So instead of just like hoping I'm not going to die, I'm going to actively try not to. Like that's, that's my new plan. Now that I don't have everyone's everything to worry about all the time. Like, yeah, I've got a few years left for that one. Yeah, I'm doing this. Okay, so let's try to pivot to why you came on the podcast. Why did I come on the podcast? I know. I know. I hold on a second. But but it's by like, 40 minutes in. So it's been a lively conversation. And I forgot to bring up can you say at all for me? At all? Use it in the sense. I didn't like that at all. I didn't like that at all. Earlier in the podcast, everybody has to go back and like the first five or six minutes. You said to tall? You said you were saying at all but it like got caught in your mouth. And you were you were like, I didn't like that. That's all too tall. And I was like, too tall to tall, like, and then I thought is she doing an impression of Schmidt from New Girl? And I say probably not.

Unknown Speaker 42:16
Probably not. You're right.

Scott Benner 42:19
You should watch new girl. But nevertheless, that was interesting. And you kept saying vehicle instead of car truck. Is that colloquial to you're like where you're at? To use the word vehicle?

Speaker 2 42:29
I don't know I we have a truck. But

Scott Benner 42:35
you don't have to go to this other. Nevermind.

Speaker 2 42:37
Yeah, I don't know. I've never I didn't know that. I actually said it that

Scott Benner 42:41
often. You use the word vehicle. So many times. I thought I was in a commercial for the word vehicle.

Unknown Speaker 42:46
Oh, gosh, did I really get on my nerves? She's selling

Scott Benner 42:49
me on this word. I was like, I believe I get the vehicle. I got it. Anyway, you came on the show because you experienced a diabetes fast forward from the podcast. I did. Well, at least I felt that I did. Okay, so tell me if you did, or you didn't know what happened.

Speaker 2 43:06
We were doing really well with the dash. But then school was about to start and they were actually going back to school. And I was like, I want to get him on the five and let it automate and do what it's supposed to do. And I feel like I've had some good success with the five and then at the same time, I want to throw it out the window.

Scott Benner 43:33
Okay. Tomar it, it also

Speaker 2 43:36
doesn't help that he's still honeymooning. And his body decides to work sometimes and decides not to work sometimes like his pancreas. And that's quite annoying, because as you know that there's no like rhyme or reason to when that happens. And when it doesn't. So his pump will finally figure out that it needs to increase how much it's giving in the background. And then his needs will draw and then it'll give too much in the background. And then I'm just like feeding loads all day. Or then it realizes that he doesn't need as much insulin and then by that time, his insulin needs have gone back up again. And it there's just no consistency. I'm frustrated.

Scott Benner 44:17
Are you sure that's a honeymoon is that this is activities like wax the wax and wane or does it stay pretty consistent?

Speaker 2 44:25
It stays very consistent, but I'm fairly certain that it's a honeymoon, because he's 11 and the doctor at our last appointment said that he should generally be using between 30 and 35 units a day. Until the last two or three days he's been using under 25 Okay, between 15 and 25 units a day and most of it is in mealtime and he does not usually need a lot of basil. Okay, well that's like it's percentages are like 20 to 30 percent Basal,

Scott Benner 45:00
right? And because you're saying because the algorithm is trying to figure out needs, and then the needs keep changing that you see highs and lows, because the needs change, and then it goes, Okay, hold on, I'll change back again. And then before you know it, it changes again. Right? Yeah. So you think

Speaker 2 45:21
when I'm in manual mode, I can keep it stable? Because why would you do? I don't do anything. He has a consistent amount of basil every hour, like literally, his needs are the same. Well, I have the pump set where it's the same number for 24 hours, but it is always getting that amount of Basal every hour, like there's no pausing insulin because it thinks that he's not going to go high or low. It's just consistent all day long.

Scott Benner 45:51
What's that Basal rate that you use during manual? Well,

Speaker 2 45:55
a few weeks ago, we went into all mode, and he was using between point three and point four. And then last week, it went back down to point one, five,

Scott Benner 46:05
how much is the why, like,

Unknown Speaker 46:06
85? Maybe?

Scott Benner 46:10
Well, I think you're right, I think there's still a honeymoon happening. That seems like the most reasonable answer to me. But the algorithm is working off of what when you set up the algorithm, what did you tell his basil was? Point 3.4?

Speaker 2 46:25
Yeah, I wanted it to be a little bit higher, because that's what it is. Generally, I guess.

Scott Benner 46:31
Okay, so it's so it's interesting. So are you upset with the algorithm? Are you upset with the honeymoon?

Speaker 2 46:37
I'm definitely not upset with the honeymoon, like, I am annoyed, and would rather it be consistent, but at the same time, like if his body's gonna work, I want it to work as long as it wants to work, or as long as it's going to work. And I can't say that I'm mad at the system, because that's not fair. just frustrating. It is extremely frustrating. Yeah,

Scott Benner 46:58
no, I hear you. I mean, I think that I think this is the time that I would tell you that it sucks. But the variability is not going to stop. diabetes just sort of is this game? You know, right? Yeah. Right. Now it's a honeymoon, in two years, it'll be hormones, right, and it'll be activity. And then it'll be, you know, going to college and sitting up all night and, and eating a meal at two o'clock in the morning. And then, and then it'll be the next thing it's going to be in the next thing, it's going to be like variables are always going to impact insulin and the variables of your life, unless you're going to do you know, unless you're gonna make sure you do exactly the same freakin thing over and over and over again, then this is going to happen. So as soon as the honeymoons over, you should find more stability, I would think, yeah. When you were in manual, and you noticed a decrease in need, did you decrease the Basal than 2.15?

Speaker 2 48:00
Yeah, well, I would decrease it by point 05. Until you and it would work back. And I would figure out that it would need a decrease overnight when I was speeding was

Scott Benner 48:11
would activity mode on the on the pod five? How helped with this when his needs go down? Or setting the target higher? Have you tried either of those?

Speaker 2 48:20
I have set the target higher, and maybe it helps. But I don't want to target higher, like I want him to sit between 90 and 110.

Scott Benner 48:29
So when his needs go down, you set the target higher, he actually is higher than Yeah, gotcha. And you would prefer? Yeah, is that I mean, that's a limitation of it right there. Right. You know, I don't know that that would happen any differently. I was trying to think of other systems. But I don't see that that would happen any differently with other systems, either. Yeah, you know, because no matter what settings or settings, and goals or goals, so if your needs drastically decrease, and I mean, going from point four 2.15 is a drastic decrease in Basal. And so if that happens, like even if this was if this was Arden you were talking about and she was looping, the loop would still think this is her Basal. This is her insulin sensitivity. That's our goal. And as soon as it saw a number, it would correct it. And it would be too much if her needs suddenly dropped down. Like imagine if you're listening like the easiest way to think about it is just imagine that you're, you know, your Basal is one per hour, that's your need. And then suddenly, your Basal need goes to point to an hour, but we don't make any changes. We just keep pushing one one whole unit like you're gonna get crazy low. So that's what's happening to you. Yeah, that sucks.

Speaker 2 49:45
And sometimes we have some pretty number wise they're, they're pretty low, but he's never had a scary low while he did have one before he was on the decks calm. And that was when we were still pretty new. He was wrestling was my husband and, like, tested him. And I think he was in the 20s or 30s. And he was like, I don't feel good. And I was like, I bet you don't.

Scott Benner 50:07
Yeah. Wow. That's crazy. But you know, though, see, here's the interesting thing. It's happening to you, and you're aware of all of it. So while it's not what you want, you're not overwhelmed or confused by it. Is that right?

Speaker 2 50:19
Oh, crap. Yeah, not at all. Okay. I'm frustrated by it. But I'm not confused by it. I am not. Oh, my gosh, why is that happening? Like, it makes sense. I get it. Yeah.

Scott Benner 50:30
So what when you first wrote to me, you were like, you were saying like, I think the podcast is really like, brought my understanding of diabetes, like quickly, like up is that do you still feel that way?

Speaker 2 50:44
Oh, yeah. I mean, honestly, like, so my husband's cousins, whatever family member told us about the podcast, because they had a friend that recommended that. And so I started listening to it like a week after diagnosis. And I don't know where I would be today, if I haven't listened to almost every single one of your podcast, because the amount of value that is provided between the protests and just hearing the stories, and just hearing everyone else's experience, I wouldn't know the different thing that would be so much more fearful of each fall, or each double arrow down or, like, I wouldn't know what to do. And I would freak out. And now I'm like, Well, we're definitely not going to over treat that low. We're going to give you what you need. And then we're going to see what happens. And we're going to wait, and we're going to be patient. Like I know, you might feel a little low right now. But give it some time, and it will turn around.

Scott Benner 51:50
I imagine it helped to when the needs went down, it probably stopped you from just looking at the pump and being like, the thing doesn't work. Because that's, I think that's what happens to people. They just they're like, the thing stopped working. But like, you know, like, no, no thinking past it like that. Just I was using a pump and it worked fine. And suddenly it wasn't working anymore. And by working I mean, my blood sugar's weren't doing what I expected. It must be this thing. Instead of like, I wonder why? Because the because the thing is just doing what you tell it. Whether Yeah, think of it that way or not, is only it's a lot like, like, it's like, you know, people get scared about like autonomy. They're like, I don't want a robot, it's gonna take over the world, and the robots gonna do what the what you tell it to do. It's not going to start having feelings on its own. And when you go home at night, it's not going to reprogram itself. There. It does what you tell it to these pumps do what you tell it to do through settings. And that's it. But it's just the it's a delivery system for settings. And people are like, Oh, well, the algorithms are smart. Okay, yeah. But they're not really smart. They're just using your settings to deliver insulin based on your blood sugar. There's the the next write a manual pump is delivering insulin based on your settings. And your input of how many carbs you ate. That's what it's doing. And an automated system is doing that plus, making adjustments when it sees your blood sugar going up or down. And it doesn't make it smarter just makes it smarter. Yeah. It's not free thinking. We're pretty far from that. But I can't even figure out how to release three goats so that your neighbors say and I don't know how we're supposed to figure it out.

Unknown Speaker 53:42
Neither and I'm not the technology guru.

Scott Benner 53:45
Heather. I'm just so at night you just you just come in at night and then you put a couple of goats on the hill and nobody sees you're done.

Unknown Speaker 53:53
Right and then the neighborhoods to benefit to Yeah, they

Scott Benner 53:55
make baby goats and everything's fine. No, no, no, no,

Unknown Speaker 53:58
we don't we don't need baby goats. Well, how

Scott Benner 54:00
you're gonna need more goats.

Speaker 2 54:03
Yeah, I don't want baby goats. When you don't want more babies of any kind.

Scott Benner 54:08
Other. You don't. You don't like other people's children or baby goats. What happened to you?

Speaker 2 54:15
I think I missed the parental like desire that a lot of women get. Okay. I love my children and I'm so glad that I have them. I cannot have more.

Scott Benner 54:30
Because of your disdain for children.

Speaker 2 54:33
No. Like, my my, my second son did some damage. Oh, he

Scott Benner 54:38
grabbed all the horrible things on the way out. Yeah, he grabbed a hold of

Speaker 2 54:41
several things on the way out. And I had to have my tubes. I had to have a first permanent form of birth control. And I was too young for a hysterectomy. Oh, I'm

Scott Benner 54:52
sorry. So I thought you were saying intellectually you weren't going to have any more children? No.

Speaker 2 54:58
Okay, I don't have my tubes. So I don't have the connector point to be able to have more kids.

Scott Benner 55:04
Wow. They didn't just tie them they removed them. Correct. Was there a some sort of an obstruction or a tear or break?

Speaker 2 55:11
I had a fourth degree tear and ended up basically having a vaginal C section delivery with my son.

Scott Benner 55:19
Okay, that just gave me the shivers down my spine and I don't have an I don't have a vagina. So what is vaginal resection? Did they didn't cut your thing, did they? Well,

Speaker 2 55:28
they didn't. Well, they did try to cut it. And then he was like, Nope, I'm just going to rip it the rest of the way. So I was ripped. I think the word that you'd like to use is taint.

Scott Benner 55:40
I've also heard goop on recently, which I've enjoyed.

Speaker 2 55:42
Yes. So literally, from the back of my vagina all the way down to my rectum and ended up having to have a reconstructive surgery.

Scott Benner 55:54
I'm so sorry. Advice. By sorry. I mean, for me for hearing that, because it was very upsetting. It was very, very upsetting when you said that. I'm getting I'm sweating. My butthole syntax. Oh my god. What's the recovery from that? Like?

Unknown Speaker 56:15
It was not pleasant.

Scott Benner 56:21
So yeah, I mean, even if you hadn't, even if they hadn't taken the tubes, I assume you you're not up for one way or the other after that, right? Oh, yeah, I wouldn't do. Oh my god. Oh, yeah, I'd get my husband and girlfriend. If I was you. I'd be like, listen completely leave me alone. Stay away. Actually, we'll build an extra bedroom where I was gonna put the goats can live there with your Paramore and come in here when you want to talk about family stuff. Oh my god. I'm so sorry. Yeah. Oh, yeah. Have you told your son that or do you keep that from him?

Speaker 2 56:59
Oh, no, he 100% knows that he damaged me on his way out. How did you not? I can't have kids because of a big head.

Scott Benner 57:08
Or how did you not say he totally knows that he ripped me a new asshole. How did you not say that I was counting on you right there? Who's counting on you to cover for me? So I wouldn't have to say that. Well, that's insane. Oh my god, I have questions about how you poop after that. I'm sorry. I'm gonna ask them. I thought I wasn't going to but I am. So after the tear happens and they repair everything. How long does it take you to be able to do your business again?

Speaker 2 57:34
Well after so the reconstructive surgery didn't happen for six months.

Scott Benner 57:39
Wait, what? Why? You're making it hard again. How did that happen? Wait, why? Wait, stop, stop, stop. I'm not okay. Hold on. It took them six months to do the reconstruction.

Speaker 2 57:53
They didn't believe me that anything was wrong. Scott, what do you mean, they're doctors?

Scott Benner 57:57
This was not obvious when we examined your undercarriage that there was a problem?

Speaker 2 58:02
No, they sewed me back up just like they would everyone else. But my I'm gonna make you hot, some more. My

Scott Benner 58:11
not in the way I was hoping. But go ahead.

Speaker 2 58:15
My sphincter muscles. Were only at like 50% capacity. So they had to tear them or cut them again and then tried to connect them at a closer point. So that it could have like 75 to add percent working muscles in my anal sphincter.

Scott Benner 58:41
But you said you're good at telling a story that just oh my god, they're just paint a picture in my mind. I know that I don't know anything about anal reconstruction. And I understood what you were talking about. They had to kind of change the grab point for the muscle to make the sphincter close and open properly. Yeah. Yo,

Speaker 2 58:59
incontinent of urine and bowel for about six months before they realized that I was telling truth.

Scott Benner 59:06
Like I don't know how this took a turn out there. But are we talking like shards or like full things just falling out?

Speaker 2 59:14
I would say sharp. Okay. You would say I wasn't showing my pants.

Scott Benner 59:20
Anything that we could name the podcast? Yeah. Wow. So that's all okay, now everything's staying where it's supposed to?

Speaker 2 59:30
Yeah. Um, for now, they told me when I had the surgery, seven years ago now, that five to 10 years post surgery there may have to be an injection of or another surgery to put some sort of a port that sends signals to my sphincter muscles to make it continue working. Because it may just stop working at some point. I don't know. We're just waiting to see what happens. Wow.

Scott Benner 1:00:00
Oh, boy, that kid ever forgets your birthday or Mother's Day? Even one time, I'd be right on the phone. And I would, I would tell him that exact story you just told me, I'd be like, I would be like I was my birthday today and I didn't get a card. And I know you're 43. But I just wanted to tell you the story about when they had to restore the muscles in my sphincter. Get a drink, because it's gonna take me a while because you were really good at describing that other like, Really? Really? I think, I think on a desert island, I could take a shot at that surgery based on what you just said. So. Holy crap, that was terrible. Again, for me, I'm not even thinking about you. Just thinking about myself right now. Oh, my gosh. Oh, yeah. Okay, okay. Okay. All right. Hold on. I was gonna you know what I was gonna ask you before we got to this, I was gonna ask you what you were in the military for? That. I was like, I'll just ask this real quick first. I didn't know what was gonna happen. Oh, my God. What were you in the military for?

Speaker 2 1:01:02
No, that was fun. I was. I was an electrician. By trade that never worked an electrician and did paperwork as a human.

Scott Benner 1:01:17
You were in the Navy. I was in the Navy. Okay. And you were you came in as an electrician. And they did not give you that kind of work?

Speaker 2 1:01:26
No. Okay. But that probably is because of I don't know, my reconstructive surgery and all the issues that came with that. Seriously. Yeah, I was medically discharged

Scott Benner 1:01:39
you weight from your but

Speaker 2 1:01:42
kind of that was part of it. I have depression and anxiety. The delivery caused lots of issues in my hips, which caused weakness in my knees, and I fell down the stairs carrying my youngest. Oh my god. So they were like your flight risk? Sounds like

Scott Benner 1:02:02
you're a flight risk, like a flight of stairs risk. Sorry.

Speaker 2 1:02:06
Yes. Yes. And they didn't want me on the waterwell or on a ship falling down the stairs or anything.

Scott Benner 1:02:14
Wow. You know, you mentioned stairs twice earlier in the show. When you were talking about your son's diagnosis, it was apropos of nothing at the moment like it didn't belong in the story. And you made sure to give me the detail that your husband carried your son down the stairs because they were slippery. You know you did that? I did? Yeah. And it's not if you think about that story from like, a third party perspective. Telling this who carried the kid down the stairs is meaningless to the story. Like it was important to you like you inserted it in the story on purpose. That at the time, I actually, I there's a note here in front of me about it, because it struck me is like out of place in the sentence. I was like, I wonder what that's about, but we got to it eventually. Okay. So your tech, by the way, flight risk is now the name of your episode. Finally, we found it. Beautifully found. Okay, so you're discharged honorably? I imagine after how long their medical discharge is?

Unknown Speaker 1:03:14
Just under three years. Okay.

Scott Benner 1:03:17
And, wow. And how's the anxiety been since then?

Speaker 2 1:03:21
Well, I see a therapist every three weeks. That's fine. It's okay. We manage. I intentionally do things that make me anxious to force me to work on my coping skills.

Scott Benner 1:03:36
I just thought of I just thought of a question. So inappropriate, that I'm not gonna ask.

Unknown Speaker 1:03:45
But you asked how I pooped afterwards.

Scott Benner 1:03:47
I know. But this is I found a different level. You just said something. And I thought, so. No doggy style, right. I mean, why not? I don't know. I didn't know if it made you nervous. For the exposure, you know what I mean?

Unknown Speaker 1:04:02
I mean, it's definitely not my ideal.

Scott Benner 1:04:06
Go to my ideal setup. I love how you word things. That's not my ideal set.

I'm so sorry. This got really away from us really quickly. Oh, my God, that's terrific. Okay. All right. So I'll leave you comfortable with me leaving that question in a lot. Okay. All right. I wonder if I

Speaker 2 1:04:34
mean, I literally told you about a reconstructive surgery and being incontinent.

Scott Benner 1:04:40
Yeah. So but that's medical. People don't. People don't like to talk about fun. They just want to talk about medical stuff. It's okay. If we talk about buttholes medically, if I if I made a joke about you know, any number of pie there's like six of them in my head right now that I could make that I wouldn't, that I wouldn't make. But then people be like, Oh, See what happens? Everything sexual?

Unknown Speaker 1:05:05
Well just tell people to get over themselves. Yes.

Scott Benner 1:05:07
Also your butthole is the least sexual thing I've heard in a while. Talking about being in the military, it sounds like a warzone down there. So, yeah, I mean, I'm like, I mean, I obviously I'm kidding, but I'm not kidding. Also, like, I'm thinking about not recovery and healing. It's just such a delicate place, you know, just had to have been long and difficult I would imagine.

Speaker 2 1:05:34
Oh, it was and then the the hospital let me leave without using the bathroom first. tested out once. No, I didn't. They just let me leave without using the bathroom. And, like not even peeing, and they gave me a saddle block. I don't respond to anesthesia very well. Okay. I had a colonoscopy, Don, and I woke up in the middle of it and pick the doctor and told him they had to stop like I don't respond to anesthesia very well.

Scott Benner 1:06:00
You woke up in the middle of oh my god, did you really like awake fully? Like aware? There's like, hey, there's something in my button. Everybody's here. Like you had like full consciousness.

Speaker 2 1:06:11
Yes. And I kicked the doctor and told them that they had to stop. I would have done and then they gave me more anesthesia. And then I woke up later, but I still remember the incident happening.

Scott Benner 1:06:22
Wow. Why is your life full of so many horrifying things to do with your butthole? I don't know. I don't know. Purpose, right? You don't have like, a fixation or anything like that. Just bad luck. Nope. That's that kitty Scrooge. Yeah. Well, literally and figuratively. Good luck. Yeah. That's really something. Maybe don't tell your son about this. This might really scarred like, Just tell him there were complications, but you're okay now. Let him suffer from Sure.

Speaker 2 1:06:58
I'll be fine. I limped through it. And I'm fine. I'm here to tell

Scott Benner 1:07:02
the tale. Yeah, no kidding. How long ago was all this? 10 years?

Speaker 2 1:07:05
Oh, my youngest is going to be nine in July. So around that distance of time,

Scott Benner 1:07:12
eight years ago. You're in your mid 20s. When this happened? Mid to late 20s. Yeah. You know, for some reason, that makes it more disappointing to me.

Speaker 2 1:07:21
I agree. That's when my therapy sessions really kicked into gear. Did you have any hits 24 When I had him?

Scott Benner 1:07:30
Seriously, do you have any anxiety prior to all this?

Speaker 2 1:07:33
I did. But it wasn't too bad. Yeah, I had depression prior to all of this. Okay. But the anxiety has been progressively worse and worse. And my family history is all sorts of disastrous for mental health. And all of these we heard

Scott Benner 1:07:53
you moved across the country. I figured that when you said I didn't. I didn't think it was over politics when you said that. So I mean, honestly, as oddly as we're getting to this, you have real medical trauma. Oh, yeah. No kidding. I had no idea.

Unknown Speaker 1:08:10
Doctors. Well, yeah, I

Scott Benner 1:08:12
gotta trust doctor. Yeah, no, I

Unknown Speaker 1:08:14
don't trust them at all.

Scott Benner 1:08:15
Yeah, that I got. So it's a double whammy because you're, you have a medical trauma and you needed doctors, and you already weren't in a position to try to trust them. And then that got worse when they do things like let you out of the hospital first, because you didn't finish that thought. But I'm assuming your first bowel movement after the procedure at home was not a great moment.

Speaker 2 1:08:34
No, and I didn't pee for 24 hours. So then I had to go back to the hospital local to me, which by the way, the surgery hospital was an hour and a half away at that time, then I had to go to the local hospital and get a catheter put in for a week.

Scott Benner 1:08:47
Wow. Geez, a bad day. You had some bad luck there for a while, huh? Yeah. Do you think you would have been? I don't want to say it like this, but I'm going to do you think you would have been better off if you lived in a more metropolitan area? No, no, you'll have lived

Unknown Speaker 1:09:00
in more metropolitan areas and they still

Scott Benner 1:09:05
have their eight star

Unknown Speaker 1:09:06
doctors.

Scott Benner 1:09:10
At the very least the ones you've met so far. Well,

Speaker 2 1:09:13
like as a teenager I got asked was I putting the blood and pus in my urine from having kidney stones? Because I thought that I just wanted pills. Oh,

Scott Benner 1:09:23
they thought you were what pills. Would you get from that though?

Speaker 2 1:09:27
painkillers? Yeah, that's what they thought that I want to.

Scott Benner 1:09:31
That's brilliant. Do people do that?

Unknown Speaker 1:09:34
Oh, where I'm from 100%.

Scott Benner 1:09:37
So I go into the doctor's office. Hey, everyone, here's a how to for how to skin pain pills. I don't mean it this way. But the people would go into the doctor's office, say hey, I have like give them certain symptoms that would make the doctor asked for urine and then you'd put like, blood into it to fake the things so that you would get the pain medication?

Speaker 2 1:09:56
I guess. I don't. It never made sense to me because I had blood The End person by urine and they were like, are you putting that in there? And I was like, Yeah, I'm squeezing, is it in the bathroom to make sure that there's a little bit of pus in here somehow, like, No, I would have brought it down, I would

Scott Benner 1:10:12
have brought in a baggie if I was gonna do it. But I hear what you're saying. Like, you can't count on this, that being there on the day, we got to pre plan for that. But you know what that is teaching me. Addiction is a real motivator. Like, seriously, because that's, I know that sounds silly, because it's such a weird and odd thing. But really, if you step back, you know how brilliant that is. Like, like, really like, like, that's a problem solving person right there. I need pain medication. I'm going to go to the doctor say these things, put blood and pus in my urine to mimic this issue that would end up with me getting paid. I mean, honestly, I wouldn't have thought about it would you know, just saying,

Speaker 2 1:10:56
I was like, 16? I mean, that's not gonna stop anyone from doing drugs. But like you I don't drink. I don't smoke. I don't. I'm good. Something I didn't even consider that at the time. Yeah. And which is funny, because my brother was a drug addict. And my mom was an alcoholic or was an alcoholic. She's no longer with us. But like, I don't even consider that. Like, I don't even know that was a thing.

Scott Benner 1:11:20
Yeah, that's really I mean, it's just oddly interesting to me that that would be a way somebody would come up with drugs like to drug seat because what you're doing is drug seeking. But, but the way you the way you handle it, I mean, that's like, second, let's not just go in there and going, Oh, I hurt you like, let me let me show you. Let me show you testing that will show you I'm in pain. I don't know, it's pretty damn impressive. I'd be seriously. Especially because you got to think that the first guy that came up with it, and it was obviously a guy. The first time somebody came up with it, like it was probably during withdrawals. And they're like, You know what I could do here? That's gotta be Yeah, it's just fascinating to me. Wow. Okay, Heather, what have we not talked about that we should have? Oh, diabetes? No, no, in the middle, you said the podcast was really valuable and helped you. I heard you say that.

Speaker 2 1:12:10
It did it. I mean, truthfully, all the things that you say on the podcast, are so true. And my distrust for doctors was, I know that I'm supposed to consult my doctor before I do anything, because you're not a medical doctor. And this isn't medical advice, but they don't know what they're doing. None of them know what they're doing. And an endocrinologist that doesn't have diabetes definitely doesn't know what they're doing. And they're just guessing just as much as I am. But I'm seeing it every single day. And they're just seeing numbers on a piece of paper. So I have been making changes since three weeks post diagnosis on my end, because the doctors wouldn't respond to our messages, they wouldn't help us. They were neglectful. Just say the least,

Scott Benner 1:13:02
you know, it's funny, there's two things happening that you can't see right now, I'm gonna tell you about the first one and the second one. The first one is I have another monitor off to my other side where I was Googling things and stuff like that, like anemia and stuff like that. And my Facebook page is open for the private group. And it just populated in front of me because somebody tagged me. I had been waiting to be able to share this, but I didn't think it would be so soon today, my son's endo appointment is a once he was 5.2. His last one was 6.3. And though I had been casually listening to the podcast for a while, I had only recently, I had only recently started making changes to the settings on my own. We don't refer we don't restrict food activity, blah, blah, blah. But what that person just said is the same thing. It's fascinating. They just said the same thing you said, like I made changes to my settings. That's yeah, and we said earlier, diabetes is just settings. It's it's you get the right amount of insulin at the right time. And if you're on a pump, that happened through your settings, if your settings are wrong, you're not getting the right amount of insulin. If your settings are wrong on your insulin to carb ratio, for example, then you're Miss timing your meals. It's all just timing and amount. So yep. And for a little boy here, who by the way is adorable whoever's kid this is well done. And, and for you, a lady in her 30s Whose butthole one time exploit it doesn't matter if you're a little boy or a lady with an exploded butthole. It's timing and amount. And that's that. Yeah. Yeah. Wow. Good. I appreciate you saying that. I mean, so the reason it was exciting to me when you reached out at first and you were like, Hey, I think I fast forwarded like with the podcast. I was excited to have you on because sort of behind the scenes. I get pressure from people and mostly happens. I don't want to say where mostly happens, but because it'll out somebody and it's unfair to put pressure on them. But there are people who We'll tell you, basically, when somebody is diagnosed with diabetes, don't tell them everything. It's too much. Yeah, like you don't, don't give them all the information, let them figure it out slowly. And I'm like, I don't understand that idea. Like, tell people everything. And then they can apply it as it makes sense to them. It just because this x person is easily confused by something, doesn't mean that everybody would be. And I think it's wrong to withhold things, protecting the one person who attend who would be confused by it. Because overwhelmingly, I mean, if you saw the numbers for the downloads of the podcast, and how many people are in the Facebook group and everything, you would see that overwhelmingly people can handle being told the truth. Yeah. So I like that idea. Because it is my, it is my feeling that if I knew when my daughter was diagnosed, what I know now that the first number of years of her life with diabetes would have been much better.

Speaker 2 1:15:58
So exactly, I feel very fortunate that I did have the background that I did with his diagnosis, like I already knew how to count carbs. So I don't have any issues with putting things on a scale. Like I've taught several clients how to do that, like it. That was a no brainer to me, having to figure out the insulin to carb ratio, like it's, it's a playing game, like you have to figure out what works and not all carbs are created equal. So you have to figure out what works for this living and what doesn't work for that food. And you just kind of have to learn and go with it. And like you say, be flexible. And take a chance and be bold. And if you have to catch a low later then catch a low. But I'd much rather fight. Well catch a low than fight a high all day. Yeah.

Scott Benner 1:16:45
And you got that I'm not. I'm not speaking for you. But you got a lot of that for the podcast, right? All of that from the podcast. Alright, so Well, I'm glad. Remember I said I was doing two things that you couldn't see. You want to know what the second one is? Yes. Okay. This is so weird. I'm not wearing shoes or socks right now. If I cry, if I cross my left foot over my right foot, I can use my big toe on my right foot and the toe next to it to pull all of the toes on my left foot. Like I can crack the toes on my left foot by putting them in between my big toe on my, the second toe, on my right foot and pulling. I cannot cross my right foot over my left foot and accomplish the same thing. I can't pull the toes on my right foot with my left foot only my left foot with my right foot. I know it's not a big deal, Heather, but I work on it constantly and I can't figure it out.

Speaker 2 1:17:38
Well, I'm gonna make a suggestion for you. Go ahead wear shoes that you're gonna. No absolutely not. No, don't wear shoes. Wear them as least often as possible. Your feet need to connect with the ground. Do what is called cars. C A R S with

Scott Benner 1:17:58
Did you mean? Did you meet vehicles? Nope. I did it. And do it with your toes? Controlled articular rotation? Foot car, huh? Okay.

Speaker 2 1:18:12
Yeah. And it'll teach you different you'll I mean, it's gonna take a lot of effort because I can't do it still either. But lifting gesture big toe up, or lifting all of your other toes, but your big toe with your big toe being sitting on the floor. Just get some more motion and mobility. Really in your toes? Well, I'm

Scott Benner 1:18:32
gonna do that while I'm sitting here instead of the other thing. Yeah. What's my end goal with this just more control over my feet? You have more control over your toes. Maybe one day I'd be able to eat with them. I mean, sure. If you want it, there's no way you thought you thought your hips were bad. There's no way my foots get into my mouth.

Speaker 2 1:18:54
I don't think your your feet are the foundation of your whole body.

Scott Benner 1:18:59
Okay, so you said some are going to be that we're basically if you're bored, it's over now, but I have one more question for Heather. Okay, so I gotta find my phone. I found it. It's about electrical impulses.

Unknown Speaker 1:19:17
From the CANS unit.

Scott Benner 1:19:18
No, from the ground. Oh, second. I didn't know like we if you were getting into some hippie stuff when you said like your feet have to be on the ground like connected with the ground. Were you saying that? I mean, if you want

Speaker 2 1:19:31
to call it hippie stuff, but it's just the foundation of your body and many people don't have good the ability for their feet. They don't have a lot of people just don't use their feet. They use shoes and your shoes, take away the sensations that you would have if you walked on the floor.

Scott Benner 1:19:57
Okay, so It's like something about grounding. Yeah. Genuine Earth. There's like sleep systems beds that they say grounds you to the, to the earth. And I don't know why for. Why do I know about this? I don't know. Like, I mean, I don't know how true or false it is, but they literally want you to run a wire from like your bed to the ground outside to Oh, I'm not doing it to connect you to the grounds like, I don't know. Anyway, it sounded kind of hippy to me. But that sounds happy. Yeah. I kind of have thought you were heading there?

Speaker 2 1:20:36
No, I don't think you should connect yourself to the ground outside. Okay, I think when you stand up and walk you do that enough.

Scott Benner 1:20:43
Gotcha. How to connect the ground of your bed with an earth grounding Earth. It's called earthing, earthing or grounding. I don't know if anybody knows about that. I'm interested.

Unknown Speaker 1:20:53
I'm not. Yeah. Well,

Scott Benner 1:20:55
I'm interested because I think it might people. By might be by might be up saying them. 100% Sure it is. But somebody has a different experience with it. I would like to hear about it.

Speaker 2 1:21:09
Well, if it's a doctor, no offense, it's probably not going to be factual.

Scott Benner 1:21:14
Heather, are there people in other professions that you don't trust? Oh, almost all of them. Okay. Would it be easier to make a list of people you do trust? Yes, go ahead.

Speaker 2 1:21:25
Well, you You're not a doctor. And you just base yourself off of your experience and what you've learned. I trust my husband, not the youngest kid, maybe the older one. Yeah, I do. Trust him. He's really good. He's really mature. Even before diabetes. This one's had. Literally, um,

Scott Benner 1:21:50
oh my god. You never had that feeling like that. Like, oh, I really want to have a baby feeling. No. How did you end up having a baby? drunk at a wedding? No. Okay. It's usually you don't even drink it away. Does that did your husband like seriously? Does your husband want kids? And you were like, Alright, I guess so.

Speaker 2 1:22:12
No. Neither one of us had like the parental instinct. It just kind of happened. And we just.

Scott Benner 1:22:24
That's right. We're gonna do this. I really don't think you should let your children hear this.

Unknown Speaker 1:22:31
Okay, that part on mine?

Scott Benner 1:22:33
Yeah. leave that part out. Yeah. Mommy and Daddy are here. Yeah. Well, isn't it interesting how that even for a person who explains things the way you do? Now they're here? And would Can you imagine them not being here? No, not at all. Something, isn't it? Yeah. Yeah. Did your husband imagine it? Can I ask? Did your husband have a similar like family history? Growing up? US

Unknown Speaker 1:23:00
similar? Yeah.

Scott Benner 1:23:03
So you think is it fair to say that you are trying to protect other people from being treated the way you were treated?

Unknown Speaker 1:23:10
Oh, that's 100%.

Scott Benner 1:23:13
Okay, fair. So maybe back when you were younger? You couldn't imagine how to do that consciously. So you thought just by not making babies? It would stop you from being your mom or something like that?

Speaker 2 1:23:24
Yes. Yeah. Yeah. Because being her was, and still is one of my biggest fears. Wow. Okay. It's interesting, even though she has since passed, but yeah, it's one of my biggest fears.

Scott Benner 1:23:38
I understand. Alright, I think we've done a lot here today, Heather. Good. I think we're done. What's the rest of your day looking like? schoolwork? Oh, god, that's horrible. I'm gonna edit this podcast on my face falls off. I'll probably edit for the next. I don't want to say this. But I'm trying to go I'm going away next week. So you guys can't know that I'm gone. So I have to. I have to basically button up everything that I want to put out for like the next 12 days. So I think it's crazy. I think I'm gonna edit. It's two o'clock now. I'm gonna get something to eat. And then I'm going to edit probably until like 10 o'clock tonight.

Speaker 2 1:24:19
That's a that's a long day. Yeah. I mean, it's what two o'clock where you are?

Scott Benner 1:24:22
Yeah, it's gonna take about eight hours of editing. And then I'm going to then I'll pop up tomorrow Fresh as a daisy and I will record at 9am 9am Who put that on my schedule nine and whatnot. How? But This better be good. This better be a hell of a conversation for me to be up that early. I'm not. I'm just not even joking at all. And then I have a meeting at 5pm tomorrow for a new advertiser. speculations. Oh, we'll see. Hopefully they're in we'll find out And then I'll spend the rest of tomorrow and the next day making the content ready and scheduling it. And that's, I

Unknown Speaker 1:25:09
appreciate it what

Scott Benner 1:25:10
I'm gonna do. So it's my pleasure, as they say, yeah, yeah, that's what you're supposed to say bye. I'm supposed to say that. And that's what it actually is my pleasure. So, like joking aside, like, I don't know what this says about me. Or maybe we could figure it out if we had more time. But that your son is healthy, and that this like little boy got a five to and that all the people in the group are doing well, or on their way to doing well, or doing poorly and don't realize that they stay with the podcast long enough that they'll be doing well. Like all of their success makes me if you ever had a job that at the end of the day you were like satisfied with and you felt good about? Yes, yeah. That's how I feel. Like, it's just yeah, it's like, Oh, I did a good, I did a good job. And I did my job well, and people are going to do better because of that, like, I try not to get too. I try not to get too existential and think about it too far. Because I don't want to give myself I just don't think I deserve all this credit, because people do a lot of hard work, obviously. But there's no doubt in my mind that you meet a nine year old boy with diabetes, and he doesn't find the podcast, and you find one that does. And the one who does has a better chance of like, 30 years from now still being healthy. Yes. And, and like I tried to think about that I try to think about like, I'm going to get up today and do a thing that is going to save a person from something. years from now when I'm dead. And, and they'll never even know they were saved from it. So there'll be saved the physical impact and the psychological trauma of it. Right, and that'll be

Speaker 2 1:26:50
fine. We'll probably never know. I'm hoping that one day he'll listen to the podcast. But

Scott Benner 1:26:56
yeah, I just think I just think like, wow, like, that's something like I think because like, if you're talking about it, like in a business sense. I hope that we're creating doctors and CDs and people who stick up for themselves in doctors offices, and people who take the time to talk to their doctors about it, which people do people from the podcast all the time, they'll get into, you know, a setting with a doctor, the doctor will be like, I don't know how to you know how to do all this. And they'll literally pull out their phone and be like, I listened to this episode, and then this one and this one. And and that is great. You know, like, because it'll help people. But like, Are you the way I used to say it? Because people find it morbid, but like, I kind of hope that like, I kind of hope 1000s of people show up at my funeral. And they're all They're going like, Hey, that guy like he did a thing a long time ago when I'm healthy because of it. That's really like I don't and that's a again, a it's a bit of a euphemism. I don't actually want you all to show up at my funeral. To be perfectly honest, please leave me alone. But But, but I want that idea. Like I want that when my I want that one day when someone hears that I passed. There's five seconds where they think I think I'm healthy because of that guy. And oh, yeah, and not for me. I don't want it for me. I want it for what it means to them. That's just the way I'm explaining it. And if that makes sense. Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 2 1:28:20
Yeah, I understand. Good. I'm gonna I'm gonna promote you for a second on your own podcast. So like whatever. juicebox Doc's dot com I think that's the website. Go to it. That's how I have my current doctor that knows about the Juicebox Podcast and supports the methods again juicebox Doc's dot com Yeah, go to the website and find a doctor local to

Scott Benner 1:28:47
you it's it's a list of doctors that people from the podcast suggested may go Yeah, I don't do a good enough job I have a lot of stuff sometimes I don't do a good enough job promoting all of it but that I actually thought that today when there's a person that Facebook group put up this it's a graph like a real up and down graph. And I popped in my said, like you're chasing the blood sugars. I forget what else I said I said like three other things is like in the person's like, we have to explain to me what this means. Like it would be nice if there was an episode about it. I thought you mother

Unknown Speaker 1:29:20
there's a whole podcast

Scott Benner 1:29:23
podcast about it. It's all been written down already for you. But no, I didn't really think that I just what I really thought was like, oh my god, I'm not doing a good enough job. reaching people. Has that information for him exists already. And so we just made sure you send a link like check this out. And you hope they make it to that because the answer to that problem is there. I mean, you

Speaker 2 1:29:43
can lead a horse to water I think that's the same you just can't make him drink. You literally have led everyone to the water. You may have the resources.

Scott Benner 1:29:53
Yeah, I mean, yes and no like it is possible. To be in is crazy. But it's possible to be in the Facebook group for the podcast and not even know about the podcast. I've actually seen it. Like I've seen.

Speaker 2 1:30:07
I've seen it too, but been in there for years. So like what podcast? Like, I mean, read the title of the page,

Scott Benner 1:30:16
give any idea how that makes me feel something like, oh my god, really? Like what am I doing? What am I not doing? Wow.

Speaker 1 1:30:26
Well, Heather, you were terrific. I don't think I can put the word butthole in the title because we already have an episode called butthole. Adjacent, which is about Jason's teen years didn't explode. Yours was decimated by childbirth. But

Scott Benner 1:30:42
wow, I bet you that takes sexy time away for like a whole year. Am I wrong? No,

Unknown Speaker 1:30:47
you're not wrong. Yeah. No,

Scott Benner 1:30:49
I'd be like, no, no, thank you. No, yeah. No, thank you. Keep your baby. Keep your baby stick over there. Thank you. Yes. Okay. I'm good. Oh, yeah, I bet. All right. Heather, thank you very much. You were terrific.

Unknown Speaker 1:31:04
Thank you.

Scott Benner 1:31:05
Hold on one second for me. Okay.

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