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#1374 Chris Ruden on Eversense 365

Chris Ruden wears Eversense 365.

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Scott Benner 0:00
Here we are back together again, friends for another episode of The Juicebox podcast.

Chris Rudin is back with us again. Today we're going to talk about his life with type one diabetes and his experience wearing the ever since 365 please don't forget that nothing you hear on the Juicebox podcast should be considered advice medical or otherwise, always consult a physician before making any changes to your healthcare plan or becoming bold with insulin. If you are the caregiver of someone with type one diabetes or have type one yourself. Please go to T 1d exchange.org/juice, box and complete the survey. This should take you about 10 minutes, and will really help type one diabetes research. You can help right from your house at T 1d exchange, org slash juice box. If you're looking for community around type one diabetes, check out the Juicebox podcast. Private Facebook group. Juicebox podcast, type one diabetes. But everybody is welcome. Type one type two gestational loved ones. It doesn't matter to me, if you're impacted by diabetes and you're looking for support, comfort or community, check out Juicebox podcast. Type one diabetes on Facebook.

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Chris Ruden 2:34
I've been really good. Everything has been like the book coming out, like so, so many different things, but overall, Full Sail Ahead with speaking, Speaker coaching, book life in general, but finding more fulfillment as I get older, instead of busyness. You know,

Scott Benner 2:49
yeah, no, it's awesome. When did you decide to write a book?

Chris Ruden 2:52
So I wrote the first book, and it was great, but, like, the experience wasn't the best with publisher and a bunch of stuff like that. This other book, I decided, probably a year after my first book, I was like, Man, I want to, I want to really write this kind of book around change and getting unstuck and all that. And it took me almost two years to write, and I got lucky that a publisher reached out to me while I was writing the book. And it was a really big publisher, so like, things worked out lucky, you know, right? It took a long time to write this book, and I'm definitely super proud of it. It's something that I'm glad I'm done, though I can definitely say I'm very much glad I'm done and I'm out of it, and it's not a stressor anymore.

Scott Benner 3:30
I've written a book. It becomes its own, like little ecosystem, like you get up, it's a

Chris Ruden 3:33
monster. It is a monster. And when you add a tough publisher on top of that, the deadlines and the just the requirements that it took the last four weeks I was putting in 12 to 14 hour days. Yeah, yeah. At some point you're like, Oh, why am I doing this? Yeah. At most of the point, you're like, why am I doing this? I shouldn't be doing you're basically telling yourself all of the things. So when it finally launches, you're like, Oh, my God, this is what mental health feels like.

Scott Benner 3:59
It does feel like such a big deal. You're like, Oh, it's over, and then it's not over, because then you're out talking about it and doing all that, and then

Chris Ruden 4:06
there's so many other things, but I'd much rather be on this end of it. So I'm very happy, but glutton for punishment, you know, like, I'm thinking about, Oh, what's the next book? I'm like, Hey, listen, listen, let's relax for a second. What's this one called? This one's called The Art of changing, course. So it's about getting unstuck and change management. It's part of what I speak on outside of the diabetes and disability space.

Scott Benner 4:25
And so what do you find happens to people? What do they need to get unstuck from most, most often, honestly,

Chris Ruden 4:30
themselves. Most people live in this purgatory of life is not as good as they want it to be, but not bad enough to change so they just kind of cruise in the middle. And that could be applied to diabetes, it could be applied to so many things, but I help people kind of recognize you can't fix what you're not willing to face. So I help people face the things they need to face that they inevitably want to fix, and that happens through radical honesty and accountability and just living by example, being the person you wish you had growing up. All of it kind of relating to my story, but more so. So we all need that encouragement, that push and accountability to actually do the things that we know we need

Scott Benner 5:05
to do. So I was going to say is, like, where does that idea come from? Is it a thing that you learned about yourself or just the thing you intrinsically knew? I

Chris Ruden 5:13
think I was in survival mode for so long with diabetes disability that I had to figure it out the hard way. And I did a lot of things right, but I also did a lot more things wrong. And I felt stuck for a big portion of my life, you know, hiding my disability for so long, I didn't want people to not have a guide to get through that. And I feel like so many people think about where you would be if you didn't actually start the podcast, if you just thought about starting the podcast, if you just thought about being the person you are. Now, so many people get stuck there, and that's where dreams die and aspirations die, but honestly, that's where potential dies, and so many people will get stuck wishing they had something that they could get they just never actually try. Yeah,

Scott Benner 5:55
I often wonder how many people don't realize that the difference between accomplishing something and not accomplishing is just doing it. It's

Chris Ruden 6:02
the unsexy part of life, which is like being willing to mess up and not, I hate even saying fail, but being willing to not get it right the first time or the 10th time or the 100th time, and just having confidence or acceptance in your ability to try. We're so afraid to actually try something that we don't try and change our blood sugar management, we don't try and change our life. We don't try and change anything about ourselves, because we've accepted that who we have been is who we have to be. What I have been doing is what I have to keep doing. And we hold ourselves accountable to become the person we were yesterday. And that keeps so many people stuck doing the same thing over and over, hoping that there's some different result or rainbow at the end of the day. But it's not a new day. It's yesterday repeated.

Scott Benner 6:49
Chris, I find myself worried that I should have asked you to describe your disability a little bit for people if they don't know

Chris Ruden 6:55
you absolutely. So I was born with a physical disability. I have two fingers on my left hand. And I consider myself a limb different, amputee. So I was born with all of the fingers, they just were kind of tangled, and I had to have them amputated a few months after I was born. So my left arm is a little bit shorter. And also, I would hope, obviously, I have type one diabetes, yeah, well, that's

Scott Benner 7:16
how you make it to this podcast, yeah, I would hope, so. That's how everybody gets there. And then they tell their stories, which often have almost everything and nothing to do with diabetes at the same time. So when you talk about handling that wrong in the beginning, like, What do you mean? Like, are you stuck in with your disability? Well, I

Chris Ruden 7:35
think a lot of whether it's disability or diabetes, a glass ceiling gets built, whether by us or in combination of us and society, or what people tell you, you know, if your doctors tell you, Oh, life is going to suck, you trust the doctor, thus you believe life is going to suck. But it doesn't have to be the doctor. It could be friends, it could be media, it could be jokes. There's so many factors that kind of influence how you're going to think about this condition, or for my specific case, my disability, I believed that glass ceiling, so I had to limit myself from ever trying, because if I believed I was a monster, which I did, I believed I was broken, I lived according to that belief. And something I tend to say a lot is feelings are not facts. I'm not saying to discount feelings, but I'm saying to don't misinterpret feelings as facts. If you feel like it's never going to get better, if you feel like you're never going to improve your management, if you feel like things are just always going to be terrible, make sure you make that discernment between I feel this way and I know this thing because you don't know that that's not the truth. It's just a feeling

Scott Benner 8:42
you have an interesting perspective. It occurs to me, because people can hide diabetes pretty well if they if they try, but the thing you're born with, you can't hide that. I mean, you understand that perspective of both something like visible and invisible. But do they feel any different, or are they the same in 2015 I needed support to start making this podcast, and Omnipod was there. They bought my first ad in a year when the entire podcast got as many downloads as it probably got today. Omnipod was there to support the show, and they have been every year for nine seasons. I want to thank them very much, and I want to ask you to check them out at omnipod.com/juicebox, cozy Earth wants to help you to create a sanctuary within your home, a refuge from the demands of the outside world. They understand the significance of finding comfort and tranquility in the midst of your hectave life, and from 5pm till 9pm this time should be for you A Time to Relax, rejuvenate and unwind with cozy earth. You can transform your space into an elevated haven where serenity and renewal intertwine effortlessly, and you can do all of that for 40% off when you use the. Offer code juice box at checkout. Head over and get my waffle towels, my bamboo sheets, and don't miss the women stretch knit long sleeve bamboo pajama set. They also make them for men. Cozy earth.com use the offer code juice box at checkout to save 40% off of your entire order.

Chris Ruden 10:16
So it's so funny that you say that because I was talking to someone. For those of you don't know, I'm a professional speaker. I travel around and speak for a living on top of writing. But I got asked, When did you finally get confident talking about your diabetes? When did you stop letting diabetes hold you back? I had to think, because I was like, I've never let diabetes hold me back. I let my disability hold me back for 20 years, but diabetes, when I got diagnosed at 19, I immediately jumped and said, Oh, I'm gonna be a diabetes advocate. I'm gonna talk about it. I'm gonna shout about it. I'm gonna Oh my everyone's like, Wow, you're so confident. And that was my way of lying to everyone, including myself, because I was so afraid of facing my disability, that another thing came along that wasn't as bad to me mentally. So I was like, Oh, look over here, shiny object syndrome. Don't look at my disability. Look at my diabetes. Look how cool this is. So while it was great to become a disability, I made a diabetes advocate, and I loved that part of my life, and it's still something I do. I think I was just comfortable to focus on diabetes, because it took my focus away from my disability.

Scott Benner 11:24
But if you're standing on stage, Kristen speaking and like and for people who don't know like you and I met at a speaking engagement, right? So yes, but if you're standing on stage, you're standing up there with do we call it a prosthetic arm? What do we how do we describe I

Chris Ruden 11:37
now have a prosthetic arm, but if you recall when we first met, I actually had a glove over my hand, and what I did was I always wore long sleeves so I could cover up until that glove and I hid with the glove for almost 20 years. So I was on stage in front of people, but I was still hiding in plain sight. I became this, like, confident person that people looked up to because of social media or whatever, and then people never asked me about my disability because they just assumed I was confident, or it was the elephant in the room that you just didn't talk about. Does

Scott Benner 12:14
the standing on stage talking about diabetes build your confidence to the point where you think, like, I can expand it to this other thing. Or do you think you were using, not using in the pejorative term, but were you using the diabetes to put your arm out there to get past it? Does that make sense? That's a kind of a subconscious idea. But no, I

Chris Ruden 12:32
think if we went that deep, I would say I was so disassociated from my disability that diabetes felt good to talk about because I saw progress in myself and other people. I still wasn't comfortable viewing myself as a person with a disability, call it internalized ableism, or whatever you want to call it, but I wasn't fully comfortable. But diabetes was the condition and the friendship and the community that I needed or was fortunate to build that allowed me to start getting curious enough to say, how could I be more comfortable showing my disability? How could I be more comfortable, honestly, not even on stage or anything like that. How could I be more comfortable when I pass a mirror that I don't turn to the right so I don't see my own hand? So

Scott Benner 13:18
is it something you've thought about that, is it perhaps like getting type one? This sounds so hokey, but did getting type one save you from the other thing?

Chris Ruden 13:27
And I agree, the the Hokey factor in talking about it this way is like, oh, diabetes was the best thing that ever happened. Diabetes sucks sometimes. Let's be real, you know, like, that's that's just the reality of it. But I think diabetes did position me to make better choices about my quality of life, and one of the things that I learned to live with was the pain of not accepting my disability. And I truly do think that diabetes, or my reaction to diabetes and the community itself, allowed me to start being okay with me as a whole, instead of just me as the diabetes person

Scott Benner 14:00
a physical pain or more mental struggle,

Chris Ruden 14:04
mental struggle, for sure, like I will definitely argue that diabetes is much more difficult on a minute by minute basis, right? None of us asked for it, you know, but the mental struggle that came with the disability and feeling broken and feeling different. I know a lot of people, even in the diabetes space, share that sentiment, whether it's because of pumps or CGM or external hardware or even just lifestyle factors, they feel the same way I felt I could assume with my disability, feeling broken or different or as an outsider, and I understand that. So like that mental health struggle that I had, that a lot of people share, I use that as a way. Like, how can I help people deal with that? Because I know that changed my life for the better once I was finally able to, like, not hide my hand anymore,

Scott Benner 14:50
right? So is there a functional way to talk about getting unstuck? Like, if diabetes is creating a world where you're trapped in mental anguish or you can't see. Yourself, or you turn away from a mirror when you see your pump, or something like that. Like, are there steps to take? Or do you think it's more about just facing it and and living through it? How do you talk about it?

Chris Ruden 15:10
I hate the idea of plugging my book, so I'm just going to give you the stuff that's in the book, like, all out there. Yeah, I do have a step, I guess, step by step strategy, but part of it is like, facing the stuff you you don't want to face, and going deep enough to figure out the root cause or the root analysis, like, I don't want people to see my pump. Okay, why is that? Well, if they see my pump, I'm afraid they're gonna think less of me. I'm like, Okay, why are you afraid of them thinking less of you? Well, if they think less of me, they might not like me, and that might end up with me alone. Okay? So the real issue is not the diabetes, it's your fear of being alone. Yeah. Okay, so that's a completely different issue. We can't solve the problem until we see the problem. You know, I have a process in there, which is, see it, face it, fix it, which you really can't fix what you're not willing to face. You have to face the reality of the struggle, like, what are you truly bothered by? What is the true fear, and is it true? Is it real? Isn't there a chance that you won't be lonely because of your diabetes? Isn't there a chance that people will accept you? Isn't there a chance that everything you've been telling yourself, the story you've been telling yourself, isn't as bad or as horrendous as you've painted it out to be? If there's a chance, let's run with that now. How could we live in a way that might make it a little bit better? How can I start talking to myself a little bit differently? Then it starts to go to internal communication, and then we can go external. But that's really where I start. Okay, I also,

Scott Benner 16:31
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Chris Ruden 17:55
100% agree. 100% agree. If they're willing to abandon you for X, they're definitely willing to abandon you for y, z and everything else. So consider yourself lucky to be distanced from people who should have never been in your life in the first place. I

Scott Benner 18:10
agree. Okay, so Chris, I love talking to you about this stuff, but people should go find your other episodes where we you and I Oh, yeah, we always do

Chris Ruden 18:17
deep dives. And I know like we're only constrained by the amount of time we have in a day, and that's barely a constraint for us, because we could Yap forever. I

Scott Benner 18:25
keep talking. By the way, I've recorded so much today. My I came back upstairs and my wife goes, Are you recording again? I'm like, yeah. She goes, How many times is this? I said, Well, my schedule got messed up. I'm recording three times today. And she goes, aren't you tired? Like, no, I love it. So I love

Chris Ruden 18:39
it, though it's always genuine. That's what I love. Like, you really serve the people that like. People that like listen and you just give you put people in a position to learn instead of forcing education down their throats. So I like, I love that. I appreciate

Scott Benner 18:48
it so. But let's learn about something specific today. So you wear ever since 365 is that? Right? Yes,

Chris Ruden 18:54
and I'm so excited that I'm able to wear that I've worn ever since for years, but the new 365 is insane.

Scott Benner 19:02
Okay, but I want to tell people just because, again, I like to be completely transparent. Like, are you a paid spokesperson? Do you, like, how do you quantify your relationship with a company? So

Chris Ruden 19:11
I am an ambassador, so I get paid to do certain engagements or anything like that. That has been a role I've been a part of for probably three or four years.

Scott Benner 19:20
Okay? I'm gonna be even more clear. Like, are you being like, will you be compensated for this?

Chris Ruden 19:24
I am not directly compensated for this specific episode. Okay, all right, there is no invoice going out for talking to you today.

Scott Benner 19:31
Scott, send this money now, okay, like, wait, I'm

Chris Ruden 19:34
sending an email. I'm like, should I be like?

Scott Benner 19:37
But the idea is, you get amount of financing in the year, and part of it is doing interviews and stuff like that. This is one of them. Is that fair?

Chris Ruden 19:45
Yes, okay, yes, that's fair to say, and that's something that it can only be honest conversation. So I only feel comfortable getting compensated for something I can honestly vouch for. No,

Scott Benner 19:54
and listen, you've been on the show. You're not a Rando like, you know what I mean. So, yeah, to be perfectly honest. That's what I thought was, is I want to get somebody to really tell me about this, and I need somebody that I know will speak about it like right from their perspective. So just tell me you used to use a different CGM, I imagine. Is that right? Yeah, I've

Chris Ruden 20:13
used a ton of, like, traditional CGMS. Okay?

Scott Benner 20:16
How long have you been using an ever since CGM I've been on ever since, roughly four years, four and a half years. Okay, that's a long time. Yes, so you started off with the first product. How is the new product different from the other iterations of it? I guess is my question.

Chris Ruden 20:32
Well, I can say going back, the first ever since that I was ever on, only lasted for three months, and then the most recent one, which was e3 lasted for six months. And that was incredible. To go from, you know, traditional CGM being 10 to 14 days to three months to six months. That was wild. But to be here now with a year only changing my sensor once a year like that's an unimaginable amount of time to not change sensors to me. No, I

Scott Benner 21:00
mean, the longer you can make gaps in between when you're touching your devices, I think the better. And listen, a lot of devices are limited by the fact that they're inserted. You know, like you can't leave your pump on forever. Your pump said, I get all the reasons, but I think the touch points are it's important to eliminate as many of them as possible. And this obviously does that. So I'm going to just take you through the whole thing, right? You probably didn't have it a traditional route, because you You probably didn't have to call your doctor to get it set up. But the idea is, you find a place to get it inserted, either with a with a physician. But I want to start there. You get to that appointment. What is that appointment like?

Chris Ruden 21:35
So when I have my appointment, I have my specific time I go in for my doctor down here usually does it in the morning. On specific days, I go into the room, they create a sterile field, they mark out where they need to take the sensor that's been in previously. You know, my situation is off label, because I have a physical disability in my left arm the way I was born. I have to be off label and I go back in the same arm, but it's on label to switch arms. So anyone who gets the ever since 365 switches arms when they get a new sensor. Yep, for me, they find where the actual sensor is. They lidocaine the area, and they have their old, very specific process on how they do that. He removes the sensor for me, and places the new sensor. And then he uses steri strips, not stitches or anything like that. And then he put tegaderm over the spot, and then I'm good to go. We've got it the process down to less than three minutes for both insertion and removal, and sore

Scott Benner 22:39
for a couple days, just like, a like, but nothing past expectation.

Chris Ruden 22:42
I would say my soreness like, I can't recall a time where I was sore for longer than shortly after the event, because there's lidocaine. You don't really feel anything. Oh, okay, but I'm good to go to work out, whether it's the next day or the day after.

Scott Benner 22:57
That's awesome. So now the sensors in your arm. What do you do? You put on the adhesive. But the adhesive is different than what people are thinking of when they think of medical adhesive.

Chris Ruden 23:08
It's hard to imagine, unless you like really hear this out, we get a new adhesive daily, which is incredible, and we have the choice between clear and white. So it's a silicon based adhesive that is strong enough to hold but easy enough on the skin to not really encourage skin irritation whatsoever. And if you look at the data, you know skin irritations are very minimal compared to acrylic type adhesives that are commonly seen in traditional CGM. For me, I choose either white or clear, and I'm able to put that adhesive on, I get a clean, fresh piece of adhesive every day. So

Scott Benner 23:44
you take one off every day. Do you wait to put the next one on? Or not necessarily, you can just slap it on and keep going.

Chris Ruden 23:50
What do you mean? Do

Scott Benner 23:50
I wait? I mean, like, so today's Wednesday, and I end of the night, you take off the adhesive, or in the morning, whatever you do, do you like, let it air out. Do you like, like, what's the process? Like? No, I

Chris Ruden 24:01
don't. I don't have to, like, let it air out, or anything like that. Usually, I take the adhesive off. I will put the actual transmitter on a charger. It charges for roughly 10 to 15 minutes. I do that while I'm in the shower. I get out of the shower, I slap a new adhesive on, and then I'm good to go. Okay,

Scott Benner 24:15
all right. So there's no feeling of like, I'll need to let this thing breathe for a while, or no, like that. Okay, there's

Chris Ruden 24:20
no even thought, I think that's the crazy part as we're talking about it. I'm like, it's so ingrained, and it's such a simple process to me because I've done it for so long. Even though the 365 is new, the adhesive process is similar. It's so slap and go for me that I'm like, Oh, what do I actually do when I have to break down what I'm doing? I'm starting to get

Scott Benner 24:39
that feeling. It's like, I'm like, go through a step by step, and you're gone. I take it off. And take it off, I put it on, moving again. But

Chris Ruden 24:44
that's the crazy part. Is like, I'm doing diabetes differently. It's so weird that even with 365 now it's such a huge jump for me that I haven't had to think about it. And you know, with diabetes, like, it's really nice to get a break mentally. I get to take naked showers. That's incredible to me.

Scott Benner 25:01
How do you manage you you're using a pump. Are you? MDI,

Chris Ruden 25:04
I am on the world's longest pump break. I think we're going on eight years right now. I'm still considering it a pump break, because I will eventually go back on right now I am on. MDI, okay,

Scott Benner 25:15
and just a regular pen, like, you're not using, like in pen or something like that. It's

Chris Ruden 25:19
no regular, regular injections. And I actually use old school syringes. I just prefer it that way. Oh, okay.

Scott Benner 25:24
Oh, nice. So your vials and needles, yep. Oh, look at you. You are old

Chris Ruden 25:29
school, old school. But then I have, like, the most advanced CGM, and in my experience, you know, so it's really funny when people see the CGM, like, Oh, he's all tech. They see my prosthetic, or I'm like, super tech guy, and then I pull out the syringe and vial. They're like, what?

Scott Benner 25:42
Why do you prefer this syringe?

Chris Ruden 25:44
I just trust it more. I know what I inject goes in. I've had other times with pens in the past that you hold it down to inject, and when I pull out, I see some drops out that affects, like anxiety and mental I'm like, Oh my How much did I not inject? I don't want any extra thought you like the control I get that like, peace of mind with the syringes, personally, awesome. Okay,

Scott Benner 26:06
so the silicon adhesive gets changed once a day. It is the way you explain the transmitter, which I think is about the size of an Omnipod, give or take. Is

Chris Ruden 26:15
that a fair enough I'd have to see like an Omnipod in person again, but I would imagine it's a little bit smaller, but okay, I'm not sure about

Scott Benner 26:22
specification. So the adhesive sticks to you. The transmitter sticks to the adhesive. Yep, yep, okay. And then I learned recently that the sensor under your skin is actually being powered by the transmitter it

Chris Ruden 26:34
is. So that's why the transmitter sits on top of the sensor, and that's how it's able to send data to your phone. It's awesome, isn't it? Like who thought of that? You know what I mean? Past that, the transmitter vibrates. That, to me, is such a huge point, especially because I talk about mental health, there's been so many times with traditional CGMS for me, where I was in the movie theater or on stage even, or in a meeting where I'm getting this incessant beeping. I saw a funny post of a traditional CGM on social media and like, Oh, you think you're going to sleep. Here's the song of my people. And it was just the beeping, you know, like the crazy beeping. Being able to have vibratory patterns that alert me if I'm going high or low, without screaming to everyone that I have diabetes is such a nice way to take back control of how I manage my condition. And I don't always want everyone to know, like, Hey guys, there's a stage five alarm going on right now. Sometimes it's nice to have the option of, like, staying internal. You know, wait, so do you set the levels that it vibrates at? Yes, and I know if it's high or low based on the pattern recognition how many buzzes it does, and there's also predictive high and predictive low. So all those vibratory alerts are relevant to where your blood sugars

Scott Benner 27:48
are. So basically four different vibes, and you know the difference between them, which

Chris Ruden 27:52
is fantastic. You know, it's such a great feeling to have that and not be like, Oh man, I can manage this without anyone knowing, right? That's peace of mind.

Scott Benner 28:02
That's awesome. Now, you're people can go listen, but part of, I guess, your journey through life is that you were a fairly scrawny guy at one point, and you are not that. Now, that's fair to say. That's fair. So you lift a lot of weights. You're active. Is this thing ever in your way? Is it ever a problem? What's your experience using it with your activity. So I've

Chris Ruden 28:21
never had an issue where it like falls off because of sweat or anything like that, personally. But even if I ever did, I could have the adhesives and change the adhesive so it's not an issue. I personally don't have any issues like that. I am a very sweaty person, but luckily, it stays on the entire time for me. So there's no like peeling edges that you often see with, well, at least I did, personally, with traditional CGM, you had it on for so long that that thing was holding on for dear life, because I changed this thing daily. It's really nice that. One, the white adhesive is actually white. It's no longer gray or dirt, you know, yeah. And two, if I want to go clear, I can go clear,

Scott Benner 28:59
and there's nothing once you pull it off, like you don't have to rub off extra that's stuck to you or glue it.

Chris Ruden 29:04
There's no adhesive residue. For me personally, it's just just good to go. Well, in

Scott Benner 29:08
fairness, you are a very sweaty person, which I think we should make into a t shirt. But I

Chris Ruden 29:12
am a very sweaty person, and, like, I think because of, like, having exercise, being a guy who was probably supposed to be 140 pounds, but is 200 pounds, you know that I'm sure adds to it. I'm not the most cardio forward person. You won't see me running a marathon, let alone scurrying to the refrigerator. If

Scott Benner 29:33
you cut a door jamb close and you knock off the transmitter, you'd literally just pick it up and just stick it back. I

Chris Ruden 29:38
just put it back on. Oh, even if I go to an event or something, say I'm working with ever since at the booth, like as a patient ambassador, the amount of times I take off the transmitter and put it back on, oh, is insane with the same adhesive. I think the record was like 21 times, and the adhesive still stayed in my skin. You can see there is no redness. From taking it off 21 times. Can you imagine taking off a traditional CGM 21 times? Do you have to make that face when you pull off the adhesive? The Heritage no face? And I think that's the big tell. The biggest tell is being able to, if you could hear that I just took it off, and I promise you, I made no face. Even if you had the camera on, you would see no face. It's so crazy to me that, like it's gentle enough to not hurt me personally, yeah, but it's strong enough to stay on, Chris, you just took the transmitter off and put it back on while we were talking. Yeah, I can do it three more times right now. And that's, that's the amazing part, is done. Okay? You know, obviously you don't get readings when the transmitter is off, right, right? But if something were to happen, emergency, say, I'm in the airport, I'm running, there's a cute Dotson dog that I just have to pet, and I happen to, like, throw off my transmitter. I throw it back on, and my whole day isn't ruined because I have to search for supplies.

Scott Benner 30:54
Is this a real story about you petting a dog in an airport?

Chris Ruden 30:57
I wouldn't admit. I can neither confirm nor deny, but I will do anything to pet a dog, so that's that. Okay.

Scott Benner 31:03
So now accuracy, I guess I want to know you've worn other stuff. So what are your findings?

Chris Ruden 31:10
So I can only speak from my personal opinion. I think everyone should when they talk about their own diabetes. The reason I could not use traditional CGM, mostly was because of accuracy, or a lack of accuracy, which built a lack of trust and a lot more anxiety. This condition is already super tough, so anything more that's inducing anxiety to me is a no go. I had a lot of big discrepancies that caused trust issues, and I told myself I would never use a CGM again. I lied because someone got me to try this, and when I tried it, I was like, Oh, wow, okay, I actually trust the number. And anytime I checked against my meter, it was very, very accurate, to the point where I built trust again in a CGM, okay, I trust my numbers. I don't second guess my numbers, and I use my app accordingly. If it says that I am good to go to trust my numbers. There's not a second guess there, which I love again. One less thing to worry about with my diabetes management.

Scott Benner 32:10
Okay, yeah, I love that. When you thought at some point I can't wear a CGM before, ever since, was that a sense of loss, like you wanted the data, but you just, you know, I'm saying, like, was your experience so bad at that point that you were just like, I don't care, like, take it away. Or did you

Chris Ruden 32:24
nail nailed it? It went from I want the data to the data is not worth it. The data is not worth the headache that came with it. And it was so upsetting because I saw, I know CGM is good for everyone. If anything, we want access for more CGM to reach more people. I truly believe everyone with diabetes should have some sort of access to a CGM. It's a game changer, CGM in general. You know, seeing so many people do well with CGM, and seeing how it worked for me, it was so frustrating. So it went from I want the data to nope, I'll just do I'll prick my finger 10 times a day, and that's just what life's going to be. And I kind of accepted that. So I guess I did want the data at a certain point, but the problems that I faced overwhelmed the solution that I saw from CGM at the time. Okay, all right,

Scott Benner 33:18
so over four years using this thing. You haven't used the pump in a long time. Is there part of you who's like, I do want to hear about like, because you talked about trust and you're delivering your insulin with syringes. But is there part of you that's like, I want one of these algorithms. Man, everybody's running around with an algorithm. They're not getting low anymore. Like, is that a thing that's in your in your mind? Like, I can't wait for this. Ever since 365 to work with a pump.

Chris Ruden 33:41
You are stealing my words, because I literally cannot wait for it to integrate. That's the only time I'll go back to a pump, is once this does potentially integrate, and I'm very much looking forward to that my philosophy with diabetes management for myself, have the flexibility to try things and change things in order to improve. There are different seasons of my life where I prefer different types of medication or processes, and I am very open to the idea of using a pump again, especially once it integrates with this product.

Scott Benner 34:16
Okay, all right, so you're all in then for the technology. I'm

Chris Ruden 34:21
all in for the technology, not because it's new or different, but because I've built proof and credibility and confidence in using this product. That's why I'm so adamant. Yes, I'm a paid ambassador of this product, but the reason I am a paid ambassador of this product is because I use the product and I trust the product, and I live with the product for X amount

Scott Benner 34:41
of years. Because, have you ever had a sensor fail that had to be replaced early?

Chris Ruden 34:45
No, and that's the insane part. I have never had a sensor retire early, and I've had 14 sensors over the course of four and a half, five years. No, no kidding. Think about that. Think about that with traditional CGM. I couldn't say. I've had a majority of my sensors make the full life of the sensor, you know. So for me, the confidence knowing that it's going to go the full time, at least in my experience, and looking at the data, having a 90% survivability rate, I believe that's it. That's extremely impressive. When you look at traditional CGM,

Scott Benner 35:18
is there something about it that you don't like, because there if I said to you, like, Hey, tell me about your ever since. Like, what's bad about it? Like, is there something that pops to mind?

Chris Ruden 35:27
Not necessarily bad, but big dreams for me, to have no transmitter would be beautiful. You know, to have full pump integration would be incredible. I guess what I truly want is to just continue seeing advancement. I'm extremely happy with the 365 but I know as patients this innovation that continues to happen, I want to see more of it. I want to see my life with nothing, nothing on, you know, completely. And I look forward to a day where we can get there, hopefully. But that's really the issue to me. Okay,

Scott Benner 35:59
outside of your work, right? You bump into another type one. They're like, Hey, what's that? Because I'm sure it's not a thing. They recognize the transmitter. And when you start talking about it, I'm sure you're not selling people. But when they ask, how do you talk about it to them? Because if you ask me about I don't know the algorithm that my daughter uses, for example, I could tell you what I like about it. What do you say about 365 when people ask you about it? So

Chris Ruden 36:26
I, unfortunately, have become a pickleball player, and I think that's just acceptance of my age at this point. I love playing pickleball, and I was playing the other day, someone specifically was talking about diabetes. I was like, Oh, I have type one. And he's like, Oh, do you have one of those? One of those CGM things? I'm like, Oh, I do. Like, oh yeah, my partner, or whatever, has one of them. I can't remember the name. They said the name. I was like, Oh, that's cool. I have this one. It's different. I take the transmitter off, and I saw his face, and I put the transmit on, and instantly he's like, what is that?

Unknown Speaker 37:00
He's like, Tell me more. That's

Chris Ruden 37:01
always my little party trick. It's really not me selling the product. It's me showing my experience, you know, like the reason why I love this being able to take it off and put it back on. God forbid, it tore or something took off. If I take it off 10 times, that's not going to be 10 charges for new sensors. You know, I talk about the vibration because of the mental health component of being able to manage it privately, but most importantly for me is accuracy. At the end of the day, to me, accuracy is the most important feature for me with a CGM, and I've proven time and time again to myself that this has been the most accurate CGM for me.

Scott Benner 37:37
That's awesome. Do you shower with it or sometimes, but not always

Chris Ruden 37:41
sometimes. I mean, a lot of people like to charge the transmitter while they're in the shower, and I try and do that, but there's times where I do shower with it. It's not that it's a problem, but I like to try and create routine. So while I'm in the shower, the goal is to charge the transmitter.

Scott Benner 37:55
I'm gonna ask a more personal question, sexy time. You take it off for sexy time?

Chris Ruden 37:59
I do not, Oh, I do not take it off for a sexy time, because it does hold now, God forbid, let's say a completely hypothetical situation where you know, your transmitter does fall off and ends up on the other person and you both laugh. Of course, completely hypothetical, but you just put it back on and you're good to go. No worries about losing a sensor. You know,

Scott Benner 38:21
that's awesome. What am I not asking you about? Like, I feel like, you know, it's funny. I'm going back to what you said a second ago. Like, part of me is like, this is going to be such a long conversation where Chris explains all this, but now I'm realizing, like, it's not, it's kind of simple.

Chris Ruden 38:33
So, and that same here, I was like, Oh, I'm gonna have to explain it specifics. Like, the science is way above my intellect. You know, when it comes to, like, how it's the inner workings are going, but I think that's the key of this to me. It simplified my life and my diabetes management in the sense of, I don't it's one CGM for one year, and that's, it's really that simple. I want to over complicate it, but I'm very fortunate that this has made my life just a little bit easier when it comes to managing tech that helps me manage my condition. So

Scott Benner 39:05
people know calibration, right? It gets inserted you and calibrate it once a day for the first 13 days. Am I right?

Chris Ruden 39:13
I think 14 days, but 13 or 14? Please confirm? Yeah. I'm not sure on that, but yeah, so with the former ever since e3 it was twice a day for the first 21 days. I believe this one is once a day for the first 14 days, I believe. And then and then it's once a week. Oh, so I think I don't want to get into like, arguments about what's better, what's preferred, but I do want to say this, I always advocate for a CGM that is extremely accurate, and if calibrating increases the accuracy, even at once a week, I'm going to calibrate because you don't want to see IgM. You don't want to continuously inaccurate glucose monitor. No one wants that, you know. So if that calibration hell. Me maintain this level of accuracy that I have never personally seen before in a traditional CGM, I am all for it. And what I found is that so many people of my friends that I personally talk to, they end up checking. They don't call it calibrating. They call it checking to confirm their traditional CGM, okay, and I'm like, that's that's pretty much a calibration. I'm just gonna let you know that's a calibration, but you just don't like the word calibration. I

Scott Benner 40:25
get that. Yeah, no, listen, I I've said it before. I'll say it again. Like, there's times where I'll say to Arden, like, Hey, I think we should just, you know, maybe do a finger stick here and check, yeah,

Chris Ruden 40:32
finger stick, check. We just don't the word calibration is so I think there's, like, a negative connotation around it, which, again, I get because we're making these great strides and accuracy is everything to me. Yeah, no. I

Scott Benner 40:43
mean, you want the you want the information coming back to you to be as good as possible. That's for certain. Do you find that what your CGM tells you matches your a 1c like your is what it's telling you match your expectations of or match your outcomes? I mean,

Chris Ruden 41:00
I will definitely say this. That is a new question that I've got that I will create into a social media post to follow that, because I find that it tracks with when I do check against my meter. But now that I check a lot less, I would love to do a direct comparison of my numbers as it relates to my a, 1c, I can't say that there's a discrepancy off the top of my mind, but I would love to confirm and say for sure that's 100% the

Scott Benner 41:26
case. It's nice to know, because that's fascinating. Yeah. Well, people, that happens. People all the time. They're like, you know, my CGM says my, A, 1c, should be about this. Then I go get it checked. It's either higher or lower. Like, does that mean that the accuracy the CGM is off? Yeah, that's

Chris Ruden 41:38
a great point to make. And, like, that's something I would love to do and kind of track for me. I My a 1c is where I think it needs to be, and my management with ever since is where I think it needs to be. But it's always good to go from, oh, I think we're good to, like, confirmed data doesn't lie.

Scott Benner 41:55
No, no, it's, I mean, it's worth looking at. Okay, how long have you had type one, since 2009

Chris Ruden 42:02
so how many years is that? 14 years, 19 years, then

Scott Benner 42:05
six. Wait, hold on, 2019 2021, 223, like 15 years. Yeah, 15 years.

Chris Ruden 42:12
Wow, I'm getting old.

Scott Benner 42:14
Yeah, overall. Listen, Chris,

Chris Ruden 42:15
don't talk to me about being old. Okay, you haven't aged a bit since you started this podcast, I think that's it's disallowed you from aging.

Scott Benner 42:23
I do get to act silly for a living. I do think it keeps me young a little bit Absolutely. Yeah. Also, I tell anybody that'll listen, my hair stays dark. I feel good, so it's a cheat code, having dark hair. Wow. How long ago do you think we met that 2017 maybe 2018 you would freak out if you saw me now. Yeah, yeah. I started using a GLP, like, 18 months ago, and I probably, wow, I probably weigh like 55 pounds less than the last time you saw what?

Chris Ruden 42:48
Yeah, that's so insane. Yeah, that's great. That's on that. That's

Scott Benner 42:51
huge. Thank you. No, it's awesome. Actually, this morning, I was at my lowest weight since I started doing this. That's amazing. Then now I can't wait to bump into you somewhere, because you're gonna, you'll be like, Whoa. What? Just wait. It's probably

Chris Ruden 43:02
take my transmitter off for you. And you're like, I already know that trick. I'm like, oh my god, Scott,

Scott Benner 43:09
you show me your transmitter trick. I'll show you the incredible disappearing Scott trick.

Chris Ruden 43:13
That's beautiful. I'm here for it.

Scott Benner 43:15
I appreciate, I feel, I feel good. Do you know any people using glps Now with type one off label? I know

Chris Ruden 43:20
a few of them, and they've all been really happy. I had a former client, you know, I used to do personal training. I worked with her for so long, and she just really struggled with her weight, even when controlled diet. And we tried so much, and she came back, and she's like, I finally figured it out, she dropped like, 90 pounds, yeah, and it gave her, like, a whole new lease on life, which kind of changed my personal opinion on all of that. And I'm I saw what it did for her in her life, and I was like, wow, I think there's a case for for a lot of stuff that is outside of our comfort zone, and we should be more curious to learn. That's all I should say, is like, we should be more curious to learn, instead of certain that things will or will not work. I

Scott Benner 44:00
have a couple of episodes with people whose insulin needs have dropped so significantly, it's startling,

Chris Ruden 44:05
and see that that stuff is fascinating. And I again, not to bring it back to my book, but I do talk about one of the big steps to actually changing is to go from certainty to curiosity. So many people are certain that the way they live their life is going to be forever. Instead of being more curious as to, like, how might I go about this differently, even for you having the curiosity to try something it's worked out well for you and something you're proud of. So I think curiosity goes a long way. And curiosity is what led me to try ever since, and now to be on ever since 365 so I think just in general, I love to give people advice of, be curious enough to ask, like, how might I do this a little bit differently? How could this potentially help me in the future?

Scott Benner 44:46
Listen, I've been this year specifically I said I'm gonna, I'm gonna let more people, like, not let people come on, but I'm gonna look for people who are using glps off label, right, like, and let them come tell their stories. And as I started doing that, I thought. I'm gonna take it from some people for this, you know what? I mean? Like, it's gonna, it's gonna start with the like, that's not for people with type one. It's for, you know, oh yeah, I already know, like, how it's gonna go online and everything. I had somebody tell me I'm a shill for Big GLP. I'm like, okay, oh yeah, you know, like, like, the whole thing. But then I end up with a 15 I talked to a mom of a 15 year old girl who's had type one diabetes at the time for like, three or more years. She's using all the insulin, and now she's off her pump and only using her basal. Like crazy, Isn't that insane? Yeah. And by the way, it'll go back eventually, like she it didn't cure. Like, I'm not saying that. I'm saying that like she's in the middle of some slow, probably lot of progression, and this medication helped her. I talked to a 50 year old guy who's off insulin for a while, like, has got antibodies, is type one, like, that whole thing, and he knows he's like, one day it's gonna come get me, you know, he's like, but for now, is this awesome? And I'm like, I'm gonna let people tell those stories. And as soon as you do that, as soon as you're curious, you hear from people about like, this is going to cause confusion, and people are going to think they don't need I'm like, no one's going to think they don't need insulin, because we say 1000 times while we're talking to them that, you know, like, right? Like, don't be scared of learning about new things is basically

Chris Ruden 46:13
learning about something does not mean you have to do it by me talking about ever since 365 it's not like someone's knocking at your door to insert it right now, like it's not the case. It's it's more so, like, knowledge doesn't hurt, if anything, it only helps you. And maybe it's not for you, but maybe it's for someone you know, like that, we have to be more curious as to like, what are all of the options on this table of diabetes that none of us asked for in the first place, right? I think we owe it to ourselves to we owe it to patients and providers and everyone to see the world or the world of options without bias. Yeah, you know, just give things a chance to understand them, even if you don't agree with them. Understanding is not commitment to a way of life. It's just understanding. I've

Scott Benner 47:00
had to tell people more than once, like, it's a podcast, I'm not actually knocking them over and making them do it right? It's not

Chris Ruden 47:05
like you were literally giving people this medication. You're talking about your personal experience. Same with me, my personal experience. Yeah, at the end of the day, part of the internet just wants to see the world burn sometimes, and I get that you're whatever reason you're doing okay, but if you're around long enough on social which I know you have been to, everyone will say everything about what you do. Everyone has an opinion. You know, there's people who think my mental health advice is is bad or stupid or dumb or doesn't really help, and there's people who love it, and there's people on all parts of the spectrum who will support or not support you, yeah, but at the end of the day, if your intention is to genuinely help people, focus on the people you're genuinely helping, and don't focus on the people trying to bring you down for no reason. Yeah, don't listen.

Scott Benner 47:45
I'm not for everybody. I completely understand that that's okay. Yeah, it's not just okay. It's necessary. Because if I try to make myself for everybody, then I use an old phrase, but then I'm milk toast and I'm soggy and bland and nobody, nobody cares,

Chris Ruden 47:57
right, right? So, and you are most certainly not milk toast.

Scott Benner 48:01
So I do my thing, right? And then, you know, like I said, I recorded 1000 times today. So earlier today, I recorded with a 30 year old woman who's had type one diabetes for about four years. She's just almost described having a baby with type one as not tough. And why? Because I listen to the podcast, and she talked about how she got through her depression and how because she found community. How did she find community? First of all, her doctor, lovely enough, paired her up with a person, which I thought was awesome. I love that we need more of that. Her therapist basically gave her a type one buddy. I was like, that's awesome. I love that. And then she said she found the podcast, and now she listens to those interviews, and she finds her community by listening to the people on the podcast. And not eight seconds later, I was online and someone said I just had to unfollow your podcast. I had enough of you, and I went, Okay, fair enough. I got one on that hand and one on that hand. I'm like, okay, yeah, it's good. Like, so I just said to the guy, I'm like, I appreciate the feedback. Everything's not for everybody, you know, but I can sit back later and I can think, well, that 30 year old girl and her healthy baby and like I did that, you know what I mean? To some degree, like she did all the don't get me wrong. She did all the hard work. She understood things, she put them into practice. I made my experiences available. Some people picked it up and did something with it. Some people didn't. I'm having you here today for the same reason. Ever since is a sponsor the podcast, right? They're not sponsoring this episode, but they sponsor the podcast. And, fair enough, I'm an advertiser. And for them, the more I learned about this thing, the more I was, like, this is not a thing. People are going to intrinsically try to find out more about, like, the idea of inserting it's going to make a lot of people go, Ah, no, thanks. And then, like, then they're never even going to hear the rest of it. So, like, we got to have a couple of these conversations. I want people to know about this,

Chris Ruden 49:43
and I think that's the big thing, is there's always going to be resistance when there is something that is different, right? Because we, and I, again my book, not to bring it up again, but we align ourselves with familiarity, and familiarity is the comfort that we kind. Attached to so I had to get a little bit unfamiliar when I got my first, you know, insertion, or placement of the sensor. Years and years ago, I heard that it was like a placement and an insertion. I'm like, Oh no, no, no. And I was like, wait a minute, that's my knee jerk reaction. Let me learn more of it. Because truly, education pretty much ruins fear. Fear is based out of lack of education. For most, you know, parts, especially with things like this, once I understood, I was like, oh, oh, it's that small. Oh, it's there's no like, recovery. I'm not like, out, I'm not going to the emergency room. I'm not they're not using a chainsaw. Like, Oh, okay. I'm a little bit more open to this. We are always going to be against what we don't understand. And this happens throughout history, you know, radio said TV was never going to work, because no one's going to sit down in their home for hours a day and stare at a square radio was like, No way that'll ever happen. And you can trace that kind of logic back eons, decades, centuries, because people are always against what they're not familiar with, until it gets more widespread and then people like, oh, yeah, that's a great idea, right? That's what I truly feel like this is something similar. So being open to new technologies or strategies, even if it's not for you, being open to the idea that it might be for someone you care about, would you remove access to something that might be for someone you care about? Absolutely not that goes for doctors, people, patients, and everything in between. Yeah, no. I mean,

Scott Benner 51:23
you just said what I was thinking, really, if the 365 is not for you, then whatever. Right on, but at least you know about it, like, you know, like, if you're a person who doesn't get adhesive, and I listen to Scott, I've never had a compression level, I don't know what you're talking about, then right on. Like, I get not switching, but I don't get not knowing about it. That is

Chris Ruden 51:40
right there, right there. You get not switching, but you don't get not knowing. You wouldn't want someone to get on something that is not for them and just and on the other side of that coin, you wouldn't want someone to be denied information of something that would change their life, or could change their life, you know. So the more information the better. The more quality information, the better in this world that we're in. For me, I love this product. I love what it does for my management lifestyle, and I'm very proud to talk about it. And when people undoubtedly say things that they don't like about the product for the way they manage their condition, I have to gently but assertively remind them, just because it might not work for you right now doesn't mean it doesn't work for me. Yeah, no, I'm

Scott Benner 52:24
with you, man. So I hope people go look into it. I hope listen, I hope they go look into everything, and then they come out with the thing that works best for them. Absolutely, 100% I don't want you to, I say this the same way every time, and I feel stupid for repeating myself. But I don't want you to wake up one day and look back and go, wait. How's everyone doing this now, like, I didn't hear about that. I don't know about this and and to find out later that maybe your health could have been maybe your physical health, maybe your mental health could have been easier, happier, etc, if you would have just, like, known about a thing. Like, so I'm out there, like, trying to ring the bell. I hope more companies come on and talk about more stuff. And I want everybody to, like, you know, share their thing, so everybody can find what works for them best.

Chris Ruden 53:02
I really respect that, because it's really the an anti dogmatic approach to life. It's allowing the correct information to be on the table so that people can make informed decisions, not decisions based on stigma or ignorance or fear, but informed decisions you don't know what you don't know, but it's worth trying to figure out and expand your familiarity so you can make the best decisions for you and your family. Yeah,

Scott Benner 53:28
I'll have to say you and I, our conversations sometimes drift off to like, behind the scenes content creation stuff, but I'll do that here for a second. Like one of the loveliest things somebody online said to me one time was like, Look at Scott. He's taking an ad from a company and their competitor, like Way to go, and I think he meant it flippantly, but what I took from that was I was able to build a thing that's large enough that I can bring you all the options, not just the one that got to me first. Yes, I am really proud of that, because I also work with a lot of great people who understand that? Like, that's it. Like, the podcast is big enough, like, you might have your ad on here, but it's going to be on here with somebody else who's selling a similar product as you. And at least everybody gets to hear it. They get to hear it for free, and then they can go decide. But it took a lot of effort to get big enough to be able to do that, I guess is what I'm saying. Like, so I'm almost, like, oddly, it's going to sound bizarre to people who are not in this space, but I'm proud of myself that you'll hear an ad for different pumps, or you'll hear an ad for different CGM or something like that, because in the end, I just, I really genuinely want you to do the best that's for you. And this is very likely could be the best for some people, and they might never find out about it, because, you know, things they've heard that make it sound scary, when maybe it just isn't. I think

Chris Ruden 54:43
anytime people hear monetization or people getting paid for something, they immediately think, like you're the devil, like you're a terrible person for taking money for something, but then everyone takes money for the job that they do. Really weird dichotomy there. But yeah, I think understanding the level. Of emotional intelligence it takes to be able to talk about products that you don't personally use because you understand it could help people who want to or might want to personally use them that can be very difficult to go past your I don't want to say beliefs, but like, what aligns with your current management strategies, and to talk about other products in in a curious and inquisitive way. I think that deserve, that deserves a lot of respect, and that's past just you and your podcast right here it goes to like, how you the person listening to this podcast? Think about life, if you are curious again or inquisitive enough to say, this is how I do things. But how do you do things? That's how we create more community and honestly, humanity, when we stop saying, My way is the way, and that's the problem. I think that's why so many people fight online and in person, they go from like, your way is not my way, because my way is the way, and you don't understand that your way is not the way. It's just a way, right? It's so hard to pull back from that. You know, I

Scott Benner 56:07
always say in the argument between us and them, everybody thinks they're us.

Chris Ruden 56:11
That's very good point. And there's a funny image where two people are on the other sides of six and nine, and they're like, six, no nine, no six, no nine. It's like, perspective really does change everything, and if you're willing to walk around a little bit and see it from a different vantage point, at least you could understand or have the humanity to hear people out, right? And I find so many people when I talk about a product, like, ever since 365 who've like, Yeah, but it doesn't do this. And I'm like, that's one, that's not what I'm talking about too. Okay, right? Yeah, okay, like I don't, I don't know if you want me to argue. I'm showing you what I like about the product I choose to you for my diabetes management. Yeah, this surprisingly was not about you. Surprisingly, I know, I know it is your world and we just live in it. But maybe I'm talking about my management. You know, I'm not

Scott Benner 57:04
gonna cry. But if people think it was easy to like, do the thing that I just said, which is, like, talk to companies selling similar things, it was very scary for me. Oh,

Chris Ruden 57:13
for sure. I can't even imagine, because you're like, Are people gonna think this way of me? Like, these are two different companies. Like, Oh, they're competing. But at the end of the day, your goal is not to service one company, but rather service one people, which is people with diabetes. So at all costs, I'm not doing

Scott Benner 57:31
anything different than anybody else is doing. I'm trying to pay my bills and save some money so I can retire, and

Chris Ruden 57:36
in the meantime, you're actually giving great value. So like, if that means opening up true perspectives, that's a lack of bias. I think everyone should see all of the facts before they make a decision. And that's why people get stuck, is because they make decisions based on a limited degree of facts or feelings. So

Scott Benner 57:54
anyway, go use whatever CGM you want, but you should look at this, because that's it. That's interesting.

Chris Ruden 57:58
Find what works for you. But I promise you, for me, I love the benefits that I've experienced with ever since 365

Scott Benner 58:05
Yeah, that's awesome, man. And tell me again, how many sensors have you worn?

Chris Ruden 58:08
Like, 14 total?

Scott Benner 58:09
Wow. And now you're once a year. Now

Chris Ruden 58:11
I'm once a year, which is wild. My doctor probably misses me greatly, but

Scott Benner 58:15
that's okay, well, but now it takes you from, I mean, it took you four years to wear 14 or about right now, it's going to take you 14 years to wear the next 14.

Chris Ruden 58:23
That's insane. I never did the math, yeah, but that is pretty wild. And I think it's going to be kind of like a shock to get that notification. Like, oh, new sensor. I'm like, a year has passed already. Like, yeah, how much really happens in a year? You know,

Scott Benner 58:37
Crystal, feel his mortality through his ever since. Reminder gonna be awful. It's like my diabetes birthday. That's

Chris Ruden 58:42
what it's gonna be. It's awesome, man, I

Scott Benner 58:44
appreciate you doing this with me, and thanks for taking the time, of course. Man, I

Chris Ruden 58:48
appreciate the talks always. Yeah, I'll

Scott Benner 58:49
see you again. Hold on, Chris, thanks, man.

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#1373 Caregiver Burnout: Making Career Sacrifices and Choices to Optimize T1D Care

Erika Forsyth provides strategies and encouragement for caregivers making career sacrifices to optimize T1D care.

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Scott Benner 0:00
We are all together again, friends for this next episode of The Juicebox Podcast.

I'm back with Erica today in our fourth installment of the caregiver burnout series, today, we're going to be talking about making career sacrifices and choices to optimize care. Please don't forget that nothing you hear on the Juicebox podcast should be considered advice medical or otherwise, always consult a physician before making any changes to your health care plan or becoming bold with insulin. If you'd like to work with Erica, you can find her at Erica forsyth.com, when you place your first order for ag one, with my link, you'll get five free travel packs and a free year supply of vitamin D drink. Ag one.com/juicebox. To save 40% off of your entire order at cozy earth.com All you have to do is use the offer code Juicebox at checkout. That's Juicebox at checkout to save 40% at cozy earth.com if you're newly diagnosed, check out the bold beginnings series. Find it at Juicebox podcast.com up in the menu in the feature tab of the private Facebook group, or go into the audio app you're listening in right now and search for Juicebox podcast, bold beginnings.

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Erika Forsyth, MFT, LMFT 2:13
Yes. So this is the fourth burden or theme that you know again, that came up from all of the research conducted over caregiver burden of parents to children with type one. And so this fourth theme, and we're discussing it through the burden or barrier to taking care of yourself or making choices you know for yourself is making career sacrifices and choices to optimize T 1d, care. Okay,

Scott Benner 2:41
do you think during this one, will we talk at all about the idea of people homeschooling when their kids are diagnosed? Because I see that come up a lot. Does that fit in this one?

Erika Forsyth, MFT, LMFT 2:50
Yes, yes. Okay, good, absolutely. So like, like our other episodes, we have a quote that's taken from the research of a parent who is validating this theme. So do you want to read the quote? Oh, yeah,

Scott Benner 3:02
it's my turn. Now I rarely focus my energy on the company I work for. I just get off work as soon as I as possible. I used to leave early and return late to make money. Now I quit my job and found a new one that I can make a living while taking care of my child.

Erika Forsyth, MFT, LMFT 3:18
Okay, okay, you could read this quote and think, Wow, is this parent becoming more balanced or, you know, we don't know, but oftentimes, from the research and from your stories, you know, we hear that because of this constant need to to monitor, to manage, the T, 1d that caregivers Do report experiencing some form of impact on their careers post diagnosis. So we're going to talk a little bit about

Scott Benner 3:45
this. Yeah, this happened to me. So, yeah, yeah.

Erika Forsyth, MFT, LMFT 3:48
So did you make the choice to stay at home? Well,

Scott Benner 3:52
I mean, we made two different choices, the first one, and I just recently shared this with Arden, and I realized, as I was telling her, I don't think she knew this, but I think we were going to have three kids before Arden got diabetes. That was kind of like in our plan. And diabetes definitely kicked our ass, and it stopped us from having a third child. But I was a stay at home dad. I began being a stay at home dad in 2000 Wow, that really dates me, and the plan was to raise the kids, get them into kindergarten and then go back to work. So Cole was going to kindergarten as Arden was born about like, we kind of did that on purpose. We that was kind of the one thing we did on purpose that Cole would be around for like, a year while Arden was, you know, a baby, and then he'd go to school when she started toddling was kind of the idea. Then, when we realized that we probably weren't going to have another baby, and Arden got older and older, I was supposed to go back to work, and then we couldn't figure out how to accomplish that, like, because we were really bad at diabetes. Like, not good at it at all. And keeping in mind that diabetes back then meant. Like, we had a vial of insulin needles and, like, a little meter, that was it, right? But we didn't have a lot of direction from doctors and things like that. I guess I should say, we kept saying I should go back to work, and we needed me to, like, you know, but then we couldn't figure out how to do that. And then before long, it turned into, well, Arden's going to school, but she'll be home at 12. And then it was, Arden's going to school, but she'll be home at three. And like, who's going to be here and who's going to take care of the diabetes? And before you knew it, I looked up and I hadn't had a job in 20 years, you know what I mean. And that was not, not nearly part of the plan. And I will say, had I not done all this, I think it would have been detrimental to me, because I don't know where I am. Now, you know what I mean, like, I can't get a real job, Eric, I'm a podcaster, like, like, but, you know, aside from that, like, I don't know what I would do. Like, I was a real part of the workforce at one point. You know, it felt like I gave the idea of something or the possibility of something away, to stick around and pay attention to diabetes. So I'm sure a lot of people end

Erika Forsyth, MFT, LMFT 6:05
up doing and did that feel like a sacrifice at the time? Yeah? Or did yeah? No,

Scott Benner 6:11
no, it definitely did. Because, like, I love being a stay at home parent. I was really I think I was good at it, and I got a lot of enrichment out of it for me personally, like I've talked before about the idea that, like, you know, when Cole was a year or two old, I realized that, like, there were these, like things that came up that my wife seemed to kind of just intrinsically know the answer to, or and I would struggle with them. And I thought, like, if I don't give myself over to this process, like, he's going to end up having a half of an experience, and she's going to have this experience taken from her, because she's not getting to do it, and he's not getting what he would have gotten from her. So I thought, I have to throw myself into this. And it's when I, very early on, stopped looking at raising Cole as a task and more of a calling, like I tried to do it like that, you know. So I loved it. But at the same time, your friends are making money you really haven't lived till you've bought your wife a Christmas present with her money that she ends up not liking, you know, like so you start having that feeling like, I'd like to contribute. I'd like to make my own way. I want to feel more valuable that way as well. So yeah, it felt like I gave some things away. And I have had reflective moments in my life where, I mean, I joked about it a second ago, but I'm like, I don't know where I fit in society if I try to jump back into it. And I probably don't like I probably on paper, I don't think I'm hireable. You know what? I mean? Like, I, the last time I held a job, it was, was 1999

Erika Forsyth, MFT, LMFT 7:46
you know? Yes, well, we're grateful you're here. You're doing a great job for us here. Well, lovely, but

Scott Benner 7:53
I'm barely a greeter at Walmart on paper, is what I'm saying. So, like, you know? And I, I just didn't want a job that, like, a retiree got, like, as a I didn't want to be like, 45 years old and going back into the world and not being able to, like, even get back to the level where I was right, right. But anyway, I tried very hard to let that go. If you take insulin or so faucinyas, you are at risk for your blood sugar going too low. You need a safety net when it matters most, be ready with jivo kypo pen. My daughter carries GEVO hypopin everywhere she goes, because it's a ready to use rescue pen for treating very low blood sugar in people with diabetes ages two and above that. I trust low blood sugar emergencies can happen unexpectedly, and they demand quick action. Luckily, jivo kypo pen can be administered in two simple steps, even by yourself in certain situations. Show those around you where you store jivo kypo pen and how to use it. They need to know how to use jivo kypo pen before an emergency situation happens. Learn more about why GEVO kypo Pen is in Arden's diabetes toolkit at gvoke, glucagon.com/juicebox, gvoke shouldn't be used if you have a tumor in the gland on the top of your kidneys called a pheochromocytoma, or if you have a tumor in your pancreas called an insulinoma, visit gvoke. Glucagon.com/risk, for safety information

Erika Forsyth, MFT, LMFT 9:23
that is a big I mean, you are living and breathing what? Again, this research has reflected in the research, again that's been gathered from 1995 to 2021 for many parents that this burden of care results in, as you just said, the decision to adjust their work hours or leave jobs or careers entirely. These are things. These are themes that I talk about with clients, and I've heard people share right on the podcast, maybe you decide not to pursue a higher career ambitions like going back to get your higher level degrees grad school, you know. P. PhDs because of the work demands of taking care of your child, you might have avoided or avoid desired job opportunities. Maybe you get there's an opportunity for a raise or a promotion that may involve more travel, and you you can't take it because of the need to take care of your child. A lot of people stay at certain jobs because of health insurance, right? Like we are really driven by that need. And if you at a job that maybe you're not as satisfied with, but they have great health care benefits, you maybe make that sacrifice, right, to stay there.

Scott Benner 10:39
That's gotta happen so much with diabetes, right? Like it has to where people, you know, like the difference between something covering 60% and something covering 80% on items that are this expensive is, you know, it's impactful. You know, yes,

Erika Forsyth, MFT, LMFT 10:55
yes. And then, and then, even if you do decide to change jobs and go and you go through the whole rigmarole of changing insurances, insurance plans, and that is really complicated and challenging, right? Like you have to go through maybe prior authorization, etc, etc, you guys know, all the drills that experience, in and of itself might keep you at a job, even to say, I just, I can't go through this another insurance change for some of you may not have a nurse at school, so perhaps you have one of one of the if this is in a two parent household, whether or not you decide that one parent can no longer work or has to only have you know remote jobs, because who's going to run down to The School to change the pod or the device if there's no nurse, if you're at a private school or in public schools, you only have the nurse on Tuesdays. And for some of you might even decide, as are you saying to home school? Yeah,

Scott Benner 11:52
I hear a lot of people talk about just the fear of letting someone else make a medical decision one way or the other. There's people who don't trust the school nurse. Let it. They don't trust anybody like, you know, and I understand that, like, and I had this conversation recently with a person where they were saying, like, I don't, there's no one at my kid's school that I feel comfortable making, like, a dosing decision. And, you know, they can call me, that's great, but you still don't know what they're drawing up. You still don't know what they're twisting up with the pen or whatever's going on, dialing up on the pump, and I still don't feel comfortable. You know what I mean, like, so if the mom or the dad's like, I don't really feel like I know what I'm doing, I'm supposed to be telling them what they're like. You know what I mean? Like, I mean, how am I gonna give this at least when I'm there, it feels like I did it. It's me. I double checked it, you know, I don't know. It's just there's a lot of fear in there, and I lived through absolutely all that. I don't know how often I talk about it, but I thought it was important for Arden to go to preschool, so I took her to a half day preschool a couple of times a week. But you'd think, like, oh, there's your downtime. I just went out in the parking lot and sat in my car like, I was like, Oh, well, you go have this preschool experience, and I'll sit out here in case something goes wrong. And I don't think I went in maybe, like once in six months, but, you know, leaving was too far and, you know, it just felt ridiculous. Now, everybody can watch TV on their phones, but, man, I didn't have that, you know what? I mean, would have been awesome, but it just instead, I just sat there. I'll sit here for a few hours while she just in case. Yeah, and those are hours of my life that are like she's off being enriched, and I'm staring at the dashboard, you know? And then you've got to be able to do that without, without it feeling like a burden, or without it making you angry, or, you know, it's a word I'm looking for. I can't think of it resentful, yes, yeah, and

Erika Forsyth, MFT, LMFT 13:43
yes, so, and for some parents, this is, you know, it's just $1 and cents type of decision, right? Like, you have to stay at the certain job, but you need to keep it remote, or we can afford to only have one income coming in, so that, you know, but there's, there's emotion involved. And so when we talk about the tool, this is a really complicated one, because it might just be a dollars and cents issue, right? So that the tool with this is, is to notice the why, which we've been talking about, which, again, can be a challenge when you're burdened and in working full time or in trying to manage your child's type one, but underneath that, it's okay to like you just said. You don't want to be resentful. But let's say you've been in a career, and all of a sudden you get the job opportunity of a lifetime that you've been working towards, and you feel like you need to turn that down in order to be around for your child and to manage like there's grief there. Do

Scott Benner 14:46
you know how I became a stay at home dad? No daycare cost $100 more than I made a month. Oh, yes, okay, that's simple, like we went to the first of all, nobody. I mean, I don't want to say nobody. What? Did not want to. I'm going to make somebody upset, but I'm just going to tell you how I felt you can do whatever you want with it. I felt like we had a baby to put it in a kennel. That's what daycare felt like to me. I was like, what do we make it for if we're just going to go stick it in that building? Now, I had that feeling to begin with, but fair enough, that's what we were going to do. And then you shop around. Found a decent one where you felt like, oh, the kid might live through this, you know. Okay, it's close to your house. And then here's the bill with the month. And I remember going back to Kelly and saying, like, I make less than this cost. I'm like, I'm not on some fast track to be the CEO here. You know what I mean, like. So I said, Well, why don't I just stay home? Well, actually, the first thing I said to her is, why don't you stay home with him? And then she laughed at me for a while because she had, she had what they called opportunities, and I was maybe more working a job, you know, she actually very kindly said, like, I think you'd be great at this. Why don't you stay with him? And then I did. And then you realize, like, wow, like, we need the money, but it was going to be gone one way or the other. You know, like, it sucks to have to be put in that position, but diabetes puts you in that position, like, every day, to some degree or another, where you're just, like, it's always, like, you said $1 and cents, you know, decision you're making. So it's the whole, I mean, it just you're not ready for it. And by the way, just because it was a good financial decision doesn't mean you just wake up with, like, rainbows and unicorns flying through your head the next day. You're like, I just stopped working up until that moment, spent my entire life trying to get to the job I had. And I had some really terrible jobs, Erica, like, I worked my way through terrible jobs to get the, I don't know, the cleaner, at least I was indoors, you know? Like, and I was like, and I was like, okay, like, I've, I've worked my way up to this spot. If I leave, like, I fall back down to where I was. I hadn't ingrained myself in that place yet in the world, you know what I mean? Like, I couldn't just go trading off that again. Five years later, the world would have left me behind at that point. And then that all is in your head while you're doing this. So anyway, Jesus, this sucks. No wonder it's easy,

Erika Forsyth, MFT, LMFT 17:06
well and yes, and I think as a parent, like it feels air quote, easy to make sacrifices for our children, right? Like we would say, Well, of course we would want to do what's best for our child, and perhaps saying no to that job opportunity, or saying no to a traveling job versus a remote job or an office job. Rather, that might feel easy in the moment, but there is more loss potentially there to your identity, to your social community network, to the way you feel like you're contributing to society and feeling those things doesn't mean that you're a bad parent or that you there is that resentment, maybe, is there sadness and grief around that it's a loss, right? So you're grieving the loss, you're grieving the diagnosis and the diabetes, and then there could be this kind of compound grief and loss around work, if you feel like you need to be making these decisions and sacrifices. Diabetes

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Erika Forsyth, MFT, LMFT 20:07
that for the most part. I would say that's absolutely true for most families. It is rare that one and again, in a two parent household, if one parent can say, You know what, we're okay, I can, I can leave my career and and be the primary caregiver to our child with type one, but you are, I think you're also, conversely, let's say you can't, you don't have that luxury to make those kinds of decisions. And you do have to schlep into the office every day. And both of you do, yeah, and then you're trying to manage, and then you're trying to figure out, oh my gosh, we have to go in and help change the device. There's no nurse, you know that's there's so much you're

Scott Benner 20:43
lucky if you're in an office, because you could be at the bottom of a ditch, you know what I mean, or up a tree, or any number of horrible jobs that I had when I was growing up. Listen, I'll be clear about this. I was making $1,600 a month. Okay? I worked really hard to get to $1,600 a month, like, prior to, like, I don't know how many, how often people listen to this podcast, but like, coming out of high school, I didn't have any opportunities at all. I keep thinking of, oh, Brother, Where Art Thou? Why am I thinking of that movie? Because he uses some phrase about opportunity anyway. That's way off track. But, like, I came out of there, I'll figure that out later. Okay,

Erika Forsyth, MFT, LMFT 21:18
I haven't seen that in years. It's a good move. You should say it. I

Scott Benner 21:20
came out I came out. I was working at my uncle's sheet metal shop. I was making $5 an hour, five like, I worked a whole day of my life to make $40 and then the government took eight of it. I don't know why they felt like they needed my eight bucks, but they took it. I was going home with, like, 210, or 3060, 90, 120, 100, like, I mean, I maybe had, you know, God, it's so sad. I maybe had six, 700 bucks at the end of the month. Like, I worked a whole month for that money, right? So without college to get myself up to 1600 I was like, that was hard, and it took years, like, literal years, and then that money comes off the books. I guess this is where I should point out. I don't we didn't exactly make coal on purpose. He knows this, so it's not a big deal. We were still in the, you know, trying to get their phase, and then all of a sudden, we lost 17 or $1,600 a month. We were gonna lose 17 if we went to daycare. We lost $1,600 a month in income. And then there were costs. Do you remember the first time you bought diapers and you were like, Wait, how much are these? Yes, you know. And then forget diapers, insulin pumps, CGM, doctor's visits, blood tests over patches. Like, you know, I don't know everything all the like, think of that drawer in your house. What's in there? You know what I mean? Oh, geez. Again, Erica, yeah, all you do is bum me out. Go ahead.

Erika Forsyth, MFT, LMFT 22:46
So what we're again? Yes, I hear that, and we're wanting the hope is right to to validate your experience, that this is something that is, you know, in the research that you guys are experiencing, and it's hard, but in this space of, you know, in this burden, it's okay to to validate the grief and loss around whatever that may be, whether it's feeling like you you have to stay in the workforce or you have to leave it wherever that rub is right, the tension, it's okay to to grieve that it doesn't make you a bad parent. So

Scott Benner 23:21
that's where the tools lie for this to get yourself around that are is, I mean, you have it put here so nicely, I don't I feel like if I'm going to say it, I'm going to mess it up. Go over them again for me.

Erika Forsyth, MFT, LMFT 23:31
Okay, so, so in the in noticing the why, you know, wanting to encourage you to think about the burden that you're experiencing in in the career, in the insurance space, if you are feeling angry, resentful around some of these sacrifices, that that feels that that's normal, and there might be grief in that right in that space, you know, it's, it is. It's connected to the diabetes, but it's also separate, because you're feeling like you have to choose and to lose something that may be really important to you, and then, and secondly, to notice your thoughts and feelings around the decision when you do make it, if it's not just a dollars and cents decision, are you leaving a job because you feel like, is there shame driving that right? Like, Oh, I'm going to be a terrible parent if I choose to stay in the workforce, because I really find belonging and identity and satisfaction, and I'm really good at this thing that I do, but if I stay, am I going to feel, am I going to shame myself that I'm not a good enough caregiver to my child? So I probably should just quit and do this right? Like this is beyond all of the dollars and cents things that we're talking about,

Scott Benner 24:43
right? Well, the resent me too. I mean, listen, you can't have resentment because it's such a horrible thing, because it's you could feel resentful, but if you model the resentment, then you resent the diabetes and the choice it made you make, and the kid's going to have a. Time separating themselves from the diabetes, so it's going to feel like you resent them. And they could, yeah. I mean, it could. It might not, but it could, yes. And I think we all know somebody who, you know, had something happen in their life out of step with a plan, and it revolves around the arrival of a child. And you know, if you've been alive long enough, you get to look up in 20 years and see that that does not make for a great relationship so, and then it hurts people on both sides of that problem, to the kid and the and the parent. So I don't know. I mean, it's a lot of pressure here, but it very important, like it's a very important thing to notice, use your tools, get through it and hopefully just move on, because it in the end. Like, I hate to say this, but, like, it usually works out okay. Like, you know what I mean? Like, you know, everybody's financial situation is different, obviously, but, but people usually find a way to, like, exist that they're at the level that they're earning at. Like, hopefully, you know, yeah, I know sometimes you're just at a level where you can't get ahead no matter what you do. But I don't know. It's hard to talk about money. It

Erika Forsyth, MFT, LMFT 26:07
is, it is this, and this is a hard burden to discuss, because there are no really easy tools to be like, well, just, just go find a good job that you can stay at home and do all the things, right? So just the I think it's important to validate, because this is a significant part of the caregiver burden that isn't always emphasized, but is there something that part of the mental load, part of the things that you're carrying as a caregiver? And so I think it's important for us to highlight and validate and to encourage you to if you are able to have the luxury of time and space to think about your feelings around it and honor and offer the self compassion and

Scott Benner 26:45
no shame if you have to sell pictures of your feet online, I wish I had prettier feet. I would do it.

Unknown Speaker 26:51
I mean, you gotta

Scott Benner 26:53
do what you gotta do. I don't, you know. I mean, listen, there are other ways to get by, you know. And I think the important thing too is it doesn't need to be forever. It feels like it and but if I try to look back on my life, like, is there a moment where I could have just said, Okay, fine, she'll be okay if she comes home and I'm not here, yeah, and the answer is yes, but at that point, I was doing this, so I didn't have to go looking outside of the home, but I could have, like, at some point, like she knew what she was doing. We had a routine. There were, you know, like we had safety measures set up in different places. I could have gone to work. It wouldn't have been terrible. Would I have had to have left sometimes, maybe to help with something at school once or twice, probably. But also, there's an argument to be made that they would have just found a different way to do it if I couldn't be there, you know. So I don't know, make your

Erika Forsyth, MFT, LMFT 27:45
choices. Yeah, and things are seasonal. That's important point. Ooh, that was

Scott Benner 27:50
lovely. The way you said that, yes, things are seasonal. Is that a thing you say to people? Things are seasonal?

Erika Forsyth, MFT, LMFT 27:56
I don't know. Maybe I should, though, yeah, I

Scott Benner 27:58
would definitely say that if I was you also, I think if your second toe is longer than your big toe, then you're not good for pictures. I think that's the is that what the research says? I know, if we're calling it research or not, Erica, but that's what I've heard, okay, from the kids. I appreciate you doing this with me. Thank

Unknown Speaker 28:16
you. You're welcome. You

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Hello friends, and welcome back to another episode of The Juicebox podcast.

Arden's back, and today we're going to figure out why Bridget Mendler is a rocket scientist. Just hang out. You'll see what I'm talking about. Is she a rock. I don't know what she is. She's shooting something into space. Nothing you hear on the Juicebox podcast should be considered advice medical or otherwise, always consult a physician before making any changes to your health care plan. If you are the caregiver of someone with type one diabetes or have type one yourself, please go to T 1d exchange.org/juice, box and complete the survey. This should take you about 10 minutes and will really help type one diabetes research. You can help right from your house at T 1d exchange.org/juice, box. When you place your first order for ag one with my link, you'll get five free travel packs and a free year supply of vitamin D drink, ag one.com/juice box. Guys, the holidays are upon us. Cozy earth.com use the offer code juice box to check out the Save 40% on all of the great gifts that'll be under the tree this year. If you're looking for community around type one diabetes. Check out the Juicebox podcast. Private Facebook group juice box podcast, type one diabetes. This episode of The Juicebox podcast is sponsored by the continuous glucose monitor that my daughter wears, the Dexcom g7 dexcom.com/juice, box. Get started today using this link, and you'll not only be doing something great for yourself, you'll be supporting the Juicebox podcast. The episode you're about to listen to was sponsored by touched by type one. Go check them out right now on Facebook, Instagram, and of course, at touched by type one.org, check out that Programs tab when you get to the website to see all the great things that they're doing for people living with type one diabetes touched by type one.org Okay, we're back. We're making another episode of, I don't understand which I'm coming to believe. I don't love the title of, I mean, I like it for a title of a podcast, but for an episode title, it stinks, because

Arden Benner 2:24
I think it should just be named.

Scott Benner 2:30
Okay, I'll look into that. Is that, is that, um, website available?

Arden Benner 2:34
How many A's you use?

Scott Benner 2:37
Would there not be in a T at the end, eventually,

Arden Benner 2:42
well, there would, but like, it's about how many A's you put in it. Because, like, if you put seven A's and someone put eight as then you don't have the same website. You're making a

Scott Benner 2:50
point. But then how would you even tell people how to like? Because when you tell people to spell something they know, so would it be w, H, A, A, A, t.com, B, yeah. Yeah. What, Yeah, you're welcome. What.com? Is taken. W h, hold on a second. That's crazy. There's

Arden Benner 3:13
another, there's another genius out there. W

Scott Benner 3:16
H, A, A, A, t.com, that was, is the domain for sale for $2,000 $2,000 what they want for the domain? They won't be getting that. Let's try three A's and a T. It's registered five A's and a T, right? Somebody's registered all of these.

Arden Benner 3:43
This is a genius name.

Scott Benner 3:45
How come nobody bought them? If it's a genius name, all right, that's not our question. Dave, what's our question today?

Arden Benner 3:51
Brought up by you in Why are you pointing at me? You have it written down?

Scott Benner 3:56
I was trying to get you to say it. Oh,

Arden Benner 3:58
I'm not going to

Scott Benner 3:59
do that. Okay? Today, we're going to talk about Bridget Mendler. But what is your question? Go ahead. I think that you need background on who this woman is. Okay, so basically, Bridget Mendler

Arden Benner 4:18
is a god, no. I'm just kidding. Bridget Mendler is a woman who's what, in her 30s. Now, I

Scott Benner 4:25
don't know. I'm finding out everything right now, along with you. Hold on a second. And

Arden Benner 4:29
she was on Disney Channel. She was an actress on Disney's channel in shows such as Good Luck Charlie, and in the movies like Lemonade Mouth, um, that people might notice their kids watched, not me. I'm a grown adult. I've never seen such a thing. Yeah, she was on Disney Channel, and now she she's, like, one of the only Disney celebrities to make it out, not a drug abuser, and she went to Harvard for maybe, like, pure. PhD or something. She's a doctor now. She is like in politics too. People want her to run for president. One day, she's married, she's got a kid, I believe. I don't know. She's just like,

Scott Benner 5:15
she's

Arden Benner 5:17
okay. She made a comeback,

Scott Benner 5:19
and this is perplexing to you, or you need because, yeah,

Arden Benner 5:25
you think about like, she she made some of the, I was gonna say, the best music ever she made. She just made, like, hits when she was younger. She was really famous on Disney Channel, and she made songs that got really popular, and then she like, what does she do now? What does it say? Like, she, she for a medical degree.

Scott Benner 5:45
I'm looking here. So you're talking about a song called hurricane that we think hurricane, yeah,

Arden Benner 5:51
that's a good song. You know that song? Dad, yes, I know that.

Scott Benner 5:54
Do you want to sing it? No, I don't believe I could. And she has ready or not. Is another song that's hers that people might know. Yeah, okay, so hurricane, think the clouds are clogging up my brain like the weather drain, same as the tears on my face and I'm stuck business in the face. Okay, thanks. Oh yeah, that's her. So that incredibly popular song, right? Like, one of those, like, summertime, like, bop hits, right? Yeah, that when you're your kid, you run around with all your friends listening to fair.

Arden Benner 6:33
I mean, yeah, it was, yeah.

Scott Benner 6:35
I don't know any other songs between hurricane and Ready or not, okay?

Arden Benner 6:39
So I don't, I don't either. I don't either. Okay, but she had like, these two really popular songs, and then she was on, Good Luck Charlie. You know that we know what show that is. I do know that show? Yeah, yeah. She was like, I guess, yeah. She's basically the main character in that show.

Scott Benner 6:54
And so she was famous on television. Was that at the same time as the music? Was she doing both at the same time? I think so. All right, I'm gonna look at IMDB. Do people still use that? I'm gonna look her up too, Bridget Mendler, actress the secret world. So in 2012 when that show came out, she was on good luck, Charlie, when that came out, and then Jesse was in 2013 Oh, she was on the show, Jesse, and then they spun her off into Good Luck Charlie. Is that how it happened? Yes, this is okay.

Arden Benner 7:26
Oh. She was also on wizards of waver Waverly Place. She was, like, one of the brothers girlfriend. She was a big character on that show, really. She was in Alvin and the Chipmunks. Oh, I'm seeing it now. Yeah. She was in, like, a bunch of stuff. Here's something, a bunch of Disney things like, oh, okay, wait, I

Scott Benner 7:44
have to go back to the beginning. Let's figure out where this all started. We're gonna unfold the Bridget Mendler lore. She was first on something called the legend of Bucha as a voice. Then she did another voice on something she was in general hospital for one episode. What's a fun fact about General Hospital? While we're talking, my name's in that, is it not your name is in a courtroom scene in General Hospital, because one of the ladies, who's the head writer at General Hospital, I believe she's the head writer. Put your name into the show, because the podcast helped her so much. So she was in general

Arden Benner 8:17
she has a she has, like a normal husband, like she does. She didn't marry famous,

Scott Benner 8:22
none of that, yeah. So she did things like, she

Arden Benner 8:25
went to Harvard University, Harvard Law School, University of Southern California, and MIT, yeah, and

Scott Benner 8:31
you just said University of Southern California, like, it's not USC. Like, this is a good school. She went to a lot. She's 31 she has she's only 31

Arden Benner 8:41
Yeah, imagine, imagine your Bible saying that you're an actress, singer, songwriter and entrepreneur.

Scott Benner 8:47
I don't understand. Does Bridget Mendler have a Ph D, former Disney star, Bridget Mendler, clarify, she doesn't have her PhD yet. This was in March 2024, but I'll still fight for it. What does that mean? Oh, my God. Why does Bridget Mendler not have a PhD? Is there, like, there are so many articles that she doesn't have a PhD? Yeah, she's, like, a whole thing. She's

Arden Benner 9:12
a phenomenon. Oh, wait

Scott Benner 9:13
a minute, I'm on Reddit now. Bridget Mendler apologizing for not updating her LinkedIn profile came to me.

Arden Benner 9:19
Oh, yeah. So everyone's tried to, like, connect with her on LinkedIn and stuff like before, because obviously she has a LinkedIn, like, she's a normal person, needs a job. And the people were like, oh my god, Bridget Mendler is just like a normal person. Now I'm gonna try to connect with her on LinkedIn. So she has like, 1000s of connections. So I'm pretty sure

Scott Benner 9:36
Bridget Mendler is on LinkedIn, I guess makes sense. She's the CEO and founder at Northwood. The hell is Northwood. The Dexcom g7 is sponsoring this episode of The Juicebox podcast, and it features a lightning fast 30 minute warm up time that's right from the time you put on the Dexcom g7 till the time you're getting readings, 30 minutes. That's pretty great. It also has a 12 hour grace period, so you can swap your sensor when it's convenient for you. All that on top of it being small, accurate, incredibly wearable and light. These things, in my opinion, make the Dexcom g7 a no brainer. The Dexcom g7 comes with way more than just this, up to 10 people can follow you. You can use it with type one, type two, or gestational diabetes. It's covered by all sorts of insurances. And this might be the best part. It might be the best part alerts and alarms that are customizable, so that you can be alerted at the levels that make sense to you. Dexcom.com/juicebox, links in the show notes, links at Juicebox podcast.com, to Dexcom and all the sponsors. When you use my links, you're supporting the production of the podcast and helping to keep it free and plentiful.

Arden Benner 10:54
Harvard Law School. I'm reading about I'm reading about her. So she went to USC for her undergraduate study, and then got a Master's at MIT in the field of applied sciences, balance, blah, blah. Then she was doing acting with education. Then she showed an interest in technology and innovation and social media space and effects on human interaction. And she's involved in research relating to social technology and a strong academic drive. What do you

Scott Benner 11:24
think Northwood does? What's she up to now? So that sounds like a genius. Yeah, she's

Arden Benner 11:31
like, super smart. Apparently, Northwood aims

Scott Benner 11:33
to expedite the build and operation of satellite ground stations, the antennas that connect with satellites to provide data to and from space at Northwood, we're rethinking infrastructure for satellite backhaul from the ground up. Mendler said on LinkedIn, but the girl from Good luck, Charlie, said that it's awesome. Hold on a second.

Arden Benner 11:52
Yeah, exactly. Look. It says she developed a passion while studying at MIT and at Harvard Law School, where she became involved in space policy. Personally, she Oh, and she adopted her son. Of course she did who she's fostered Since 2021 her and her husband, Griffin clever, cleverly, are now parents to a four year old boy.

Scott Benner 12:12
Wonder what her IQ is.

Arden Benner 12:15
Of course she adopted a kid. That's such a genius thing to do. That's why I want to do it.

Scott Benner 12:19
So you look philanthropic, been on my bucket list.

Arden Benner 12:25
I want that law school degree, law school degree, and I want to adopt a baby, just like Bridget Mendler, like Bridget Miller. Apparently, I didn't know that she went to law school. I thought she was a like a medical show. Under

Scott Benner 12:37
the the radar like this, you know what? I mean,

Arden Benner 12:41
I don't know. Well, she's and I mean this in like, a very kind way, she has a normal face. Go ahead. So, like, you know, if you saw Selena Gomez walking on the street, you'd be like, well, first things first, that's Selena Gomez. And she's really, really, really like. She looks like a pop star. That's a famous Bridget Mendler. Yeah, Bridget Mendler just kind of looks like someone I'd walked

Scott Benner 13:07
past. She's a pleasant looking person. Yeah. She's

Arden Benner 13:11
just very normal.

Scott Benner 13:13
Okay, I take your point. And this is something people talk about on the interweb all the time. The kids talk about this. I can't find her IQ, so it must be high, because she's never said it

Arden Benner 13:25
anywhere. If my IQ is high, I I'm scared to get my IQ tested, because

Scott Benner 13:30
what if it's lower than I think? What do you think it is? What do you think it is? Do you even know how that scale works? I don't. No, not really.

Arden Benner 13:40
What is it like? One 120s is like

Scott Benner 13:45
above average. I will find out for you. Okay, one to 24 is profound mental disability, 25 to 39 is severe mental disability. 40 to 54 moderate mental disability, 55 to 69 mild mental disability. 70 to 84 borderline mental disability. 85 to 114 is average intelligence. 115 to 129 is above average or bright. And 130 to 144 is moderately gifted. Goes on from there, man, oh, okay, I feel like I'd be like, 124 slightly above average or bright. Like you'd be above average or bright in that range. That's what you think.

Arden Benner 14:30
Yeah, I don't know if, like, I do think I am gifted, but I don't know if that's what the result would say.

Scott Benner 14:36
145 to 159 highly gifted. 160 to 179 exceptionally gifted, and 180 and up, profoundly gifted.

Arden Benner 14:44
No one has a 180 and up score.

Scott Benner 14:47
Somebody must an average IQ scores between 85 and 115 68% of IQ scores fall within one standard deviation of the mean. That means that the majority of people have an IQ score between 85 and 115 All right, hold on,

Arden Benner 15:01
where do you where do you go to figure this out?

Scott Benner 15:04
You take an IQ test.

Arden Benner 15:08
Yeah, thanks, Dad. Where does that happen? Hold

Scott Benner 15:10
on, I'll tell you in a second. Stephen Hawking, 160 Albert Einstein, they think 160 to 190 Christopher Michael langen,

Arden Benner 15:18
wait, hold on pause. 160 to 190 is an insane jump.

Scott Benner 15:22
Yeah, that's probably a guess, because, like, a looking backwards. Guess. I mean, okay, Christopher, Michael Langdon, 190 to 210 Kim on young, 210 he's from south, South Korea. There

Arden Benner 15:39
ain't no way you just said that right?

Scott Benner 15:41
This probably did not get it right, but I, but I got it pretty close to right. This guy named Christopher hirato, 225, Marilyn vos Savant 228, how did they know to put the word savant in her name before they knew how smart she was? That's amazing. What

Arden Benner 15:58
about that? I think that's like a real thing, like, some people have names and they're just like, born to be a celebrity, or famous. You know,

Scott Benner 16:06
there's a Anan Celeste Collie, a child prodigy hailing from Singapore, gained global recognition for accomplishing the remarkable feat of passing the chemistry o Level exam at the age of seven, setting a world record. Born on November 23 99 to a Singaporean mother and an Irish father, he exhibited signs of exceptional intelligence from an early age. Astounded his family by taking the first steps at six month old, speaking his first words at nine months and he began reading and writing at how old reading and writing? Who

Arden Benner 16:39
to Yes, wait, I'm a genius. Bump me up one more point. You

Scott Benner 16:43
know what you did when you were two? Got diagnosed? Yeah, you killed your pancreas. You should have tried to read that would have probably been a better use of your time. I don't know a lot of these people like, these aren't even names that, like, pop up in like, like, Zeitgeist stuff, yeah, because

Arden Benner 16:57
they have so much money, they're hidden away somewhere. Idiots, wait,

Scott Benner 17:01
let's find out if he's rich. You think he's rich. If

Arden Benner 17:05
you're smart and you're not rich, that's insane, then you're stupid.

Scott Benner 17:11
You can't be smart and not care about money. Yeah, wait. Okay, so

Arden Benner 17:15
I looked up celebrities who have names that already sound famous, and it's just like, like, all this is so true. Like, Marilyn Monroe, that's such a famous name. Marilyn Monroe, you

Scott Benner 17:29
don't think you think of it as famous because you know it, you've heard it so many times.

Arden Benner 17:32
I mean, I'm sure that's true. But like, still, isn't that also

Scott Benner 17:36
why you think Selena Gomez is prettier because you know her face and you relate it to a pretty person? No,

Arden Benner 17:41
I just think that she's pretty. Okay. There's a lot of famous people I don't find attractive. You

Scott Benner 17:47
ever look at somebody who's flat out not famous and think that person's like, famous, good looking? Yeah, okay. Those people just end up being Instagram. It's

Arden Benner 17:57
also obvious they're not famous, because with fame comes a certain type of wealth that makes like everything about you is just too perfect. Like your health is perfect, your skin clears up right away. You know, I

Scott Benner 18:11
think there's no there's also no pressure to prove anything to anybody anymore. So you just have, like a relaxed nature to you. Maybe

Arden Benner 18:17
I was listening to this podcast with these two girls, and they were like, You know what? Like, if I was one of those rich white people who lived on the beach and stepped outside and ate an acai bowl every morning, you know, I don't think I believe in mental health either. And I was like, You're so right. They were like, they were like, what's their reason to believe that? Because, like, you know how like, people are, like, mental health is all fake. You know what? Sometimes that's me, but some people are just like, don't believe that people actually can have depression and anxiety. And they're like, making this joke. I was always like, super wealthy white people who live on the beach, and they were like, That makes so much sense, though, because what do they do? Step outside, feel the ocean breeze hit them in the face. Like, what are they worrying about? Absolutely nothing. Do

Scott Benner 19:00
you think there are people who believe there's no such thing as mental thing as mental health struggle? Yeah, really. They don't believe it exists. Yeah, what do they think it is that's, I don't know. They just probably think that you're thinking it up, making it up, that's it, or, like, not strong enough to just that's keep going. Yeah, I don't see it that way.

Arden Benner 19:22
I mean, there is a certain point or a certain type of a person who I can be like, I

Scott Benner 19:27
don't believe you. So I've talked to a lot of people on the podcast, and I've come to the conclusion that there are some people who are have more, I don't know, stick to itiveness, or an ability to leave problems behind and keep moving, and there are people who get trapped in it, and I don't think they get trapped in it on purpose, although I think there are people who trap themselves for the drama sometimes, right? But I don't think those two people are the same thing. Yeah, that's what I'm saying, yeah. Why won't Bridget Mendler tell me her IQ, what a tease. Oh, a second. What

Arden Benner 19:58
if we reach out to her and ask. Like,

Scott Benner 20:00
yeah, should we do that? Wait,

Arden Benner 20:03
I kind of want to see how many connections she has on LinkedIn. I actually just switched my LinkedIn today to it was actually very funny. It was like, What are your what fields are you interested in? And it was like, fashion design, fashion intern, fashion model. And then it was like psychology, law student. And I was like, Well, no one's gonna take me seriously now,

Scott Benner 20:21
if they saw what I had before, Emma Watson went to Brown. Yeah, she's smart. You know, who

Arden Benner 20:26
else is super smart? Natalie Portman. Natalie

Scott Benner 20:29
Portman's on this list. Yeah, I hear that she's very smart. Bridget I am bio about how do you say her name? What Ballack is? It? Maya balik,

Arden Benner 20:42
she's what you're trying to say, the

Scott Benner 20:44
girl from, um, from what is that Sheldon show called, is it called Sheldon? No, oh, she's

Arden Benner 20:50
a neuro. She's, like, a neuroscience, she's

Scott Benner 20:53
a PhD in neuroscience, yeah. And then there's Danica McKellar, but you wouldn't know who she is from the wonders year. She's like, a got, like some sort of mathematics degree. A lot of girls, it says Julia styles and Joseph Gordon Levitt secretly dated, and both attended Columbia University. How would that person know that

Arden Benner 21:11
I found her? She's 100

Scott Benner 21:13
and 167 500 Wow.

Arden Benner 21:17
Lot of people she saw, people I went to high school with. Follow her. Well, this

Scott Benner 21:21
is interesting, because didn't he get in a lot of trouble? I just Googled most educated celebrities. You want to roll through them. You know, she's, oh

Arden Benner 21:30
my God, no way. Bridget Mendler is connected to Robert Downey Jr on LinkedIn.

Scott Benner 21:36
All right, listen, I'm gonna tell you something right now. The internet's bullshit. I googled most educated celebrities, and she didn't pop up. Why is she not here?

Arden Benner 21:45
She's not like that type of celebrity? Well,

Scott Benner 21:49
it's Maya and by Alec Bialik. I can't Jesus Christ, that girl, Rowan Atkinson, which nobody your age knows Meryl Streep went to Yale. What did she go to yell for acting, or

Arden Benner 22:01
Meryl Streep's kids go to a good school, I think, okay.

Scott Benner 22:04
David du Coveney went to Princeton. I don't know who that is. The X Files really. Ben Stein, there's no way you know that the kid from Modern Family.

Arden Benner 22:19
Oh, what the is it? The brother Nolan gold. They're the one that they made stupid in the show. He's like, super smart. Apparently, he's in like, Mensa, or something, an IQ of 150 it says, yeah, he's

Scott Benner 22:31
in Mensa. I'm pretty sure Brian May from Queen, because he just went to a school that was considered good. Gerard Butler, those movies are terrible. He can't have a good experience. Oh. James Franco, he went to Columbia. Contour. O'Brien went to Harvard. Emma Watson, brown, Hugh Jackman is listed, but it's an Australian school, so I don't really know the name of it. One of the Sprouse kids went to NYU. Lisa Kudrow went to Vassar.

Arden Benner 23:00
Yeah, I know about Lisa, her kids also. I think might go there.

Scott Benner 23:04
Mindy Kaling, Dartmouth, Lapita noongo, Yale, Jodie Foster. Yale, okay, that Ken John guy went to Duke and then Natalie, Portman, Harvard, but yeah, Bridget Mendler doesn't make the shake here. Well, she's not as famous as those people. That's probably smart, don't you think? Yeah, like, I

Arden Benner 23:25
feel like she's kind of a genius. She built up enough fame where some people know her name, some people don't, but like, I feel like a good amount of people, if you look them, look her up online, and be like, Oh, I think I know who that is, even if you're not sure what her name is, she's got that type of fame, right? She's smart, she went to school, she started a family. I feel like she's doing everything perfectly. She's at the type of fame where people might recognize her but not everyone will, so she can walk, you know, like make it through the day. Here's

Scott Benner 23:52
an article that says, Bridget Mendler deserves more recognition. Well, she does. You're not alone. She probably doesn't want it. Do you think this freaks out? Britney Spears, I don't like it. Is she alive? Yeah, she dances with knives on Instagram or something. I see her do that a lot, like a lot, with kitchen knives. I'm not kidding. You feel like I'm joking. Have you never seen this? All right, hold on one second. Now, she

Arden Benner 24:18
got a couple, I think a couple months ago, she got married for like, three days or something.

Scott Benner 24:23
I think she might be unwell, which is sad she is, but like, I

Arden Benner 24:26
love that she got married for three days. I'm gonna start I'm gonna do that. You're gonna get married for three days. I'm

Scott Benner 24:32
not sending a gift. I'm not sending a gift if you do that.

Arden Benner 24:35
Did you see the woman who got married to herself and, like, less than a year later filed from divorce from reasonable she married

Scott Benner 24:43
her. Can you marry Hold on a second. That's a different road we're

Arden Benner 24:46
gonna get you. Can marry yourself? I'm

Scott Benner 24:48
gonna send you Britney Spears dancing video, because I do think you should say it, and then I'm not gonna watch it, but I'm gonna ask the question, can you marry yourself? Do. Self marriages are not recognized by any states. In the United States currently us will only recognize marriages between two people. That means if you're already married to another person, you can still self marry without implicating anti bigamy or polygamy laws. It's actually from like a legal website, does self marriage exist?

Arden Benner 25:17
Because I always think about how on Glee Sue Sylvester gets married to herself. Well,

Scott Benner 25:23
in a nutshell, solo Gami is the act of marrying yourself. It is not legally recognized, but you can have a cultural ceremony during which you make vows of commitment to love you.

Arden Benner 25:35
So I don't, I don't know if she lives in America, so it might be like a thing somewhere else, but she did, in fact, divorce herself less than a year since later.

Scott Benner 25:43
I wonder what she learned that she didn't know before she got married. I wonder what she did wrong. That's insane. Influencer Suellen Carrie divorces herself one year later. Is this what you're talking about? It might, it might be that I feel like she's just looking for clicks which she's gonna get from me. Right now when I click on this, hold on again, she appears to have had an amount of plastic surgery that seems a little unnatural as well. One second, you can barely see her Invisalign. Those are awesome. I should get those. One year ago, Brazilian influencer Suellen Carrie made the decision to marry herself, as people do, I bet you, there's no way she's connected to Bridget Mendler on LinkedIn. You

Arden Benner 26:30
don't think so, or if they're cousins, I don't think so.

Scott Benner 26:32
I really don't think they know each other. Like, what's this? This Bridget Mendler thing was, like, it's so overwhelming. When you brought it up, you were so excited about it, but you just think it's kind of cool that she did all this.

Arden Benner 26:43
Yeah, well, because, because you have to think about it like this, everyone else who was in her position is like, not, okay. Now, okay,

Scott Benner 26:51
I see what you're saying. Like, Demi, Lovato, oh, my God.

Arden Benner 26:55
What is going on? Like, is she what? Like, what is happening? Actually, I saw a video of her recently on like, Jimmy Kimmel or something. She looks like she's doing well, good for her. That's good. But she's been in, she's been in rehab, like, four times. It's all the Disney Kids. Selena Gomez, honestly, Selena Gomez is fine, but she did have lupus, so that went terribly for her,

Scott Benner 27:14
um, but that's not like, a personal like, thing, like, uh, yeah,

Arden Benner 27:18
but, but they all have, like, like, a life threatening thing going on.

Scott Benner 27:23
You think they all just have, like, bad things, but follow them. What

Arden Benner 27:26
about? What about Amanda Bynes? Have you seen her? Yeah, she seems like she might be. She's not okay, trouble, yeah. And there's, like, the downfall of Disney people.

Scott Benner 27:37
I saw a lot of plastic surgery. I thought for Amanda Bynes recently. Oh, you've seen

Arden Benner 27:43
her recently, if that's how and every famous Disney Channel guy is, was like, in jail for molesting someone.

Scott Benner 27:50
Well, not everyone, let's say, but there was that big, like, turmoil around that, right? Bella Thorne had trouble. I know that she, I

Arden Benner 28:00
think that she's like, good. Now, that's

Scott Benner 28:03
good. You mentioned Demi Lovato, who I've heard in some interviews seem very Yeah, that's a shame. Yeah, yeah. I've heard Demi Lovato be confused in interviews before.

Arden Benner 28:16
Demi Lovato was just on a show like last week, and she looks better now, good.

Scott Benner 28:21
What about Hillary Duff? How'd she hold up? Oh,

Arden Benner 28:24
Hillary Duff, I think that she went downhill for a minute, but I think that she made her way back up. I think that she has a family now, I'm pretty sure, but I do, I do know that years ago, she was on vacation or something, and a video of her doing an inappropriate act with her husband, got put online. That's a shame, like someone like filmed her through a window or something. That's horrible. People should not do that

Scott Benner 28:48
to other people. Yeah, so that was crazy. She's 36 very tough. Yeah, that's crazy. How fast that like life goes by. Aaron was Aaron Carter on the Disney Channel. He passed right? Yeah, he passed away like, two years ago. But I, I'm wondering if he was a Disney Channel person. Okay, oh, he's just in a bunch of like, like, weird little movies. So what do you think happens when you is this a chicken or egg situation, like, when you so I think what you're seeing, it's not Disney, right? Like you make people famous when they're too young,

Arden Benner 29:25
and then what that? And I also, I also think there's a certain type of media training and, like, rules you have to follow as the Disney Channel kid, because even those kids who were on Disney like now they'll like, be doing interviews, and they'll like, kind of stop themselves when from talking. And I've actually heard them joke and be like, sorry, it's the Disney training. So they're like, so restricted from when they speak and stuff that they don't know what to say. But you know who didn't make it out? Strong? Zendaya,

Scott Benner 29:56
she was a Disney Channel kid. Yeah, she

Arden Benner 29:59
was on shake it out.

Scott Benner 30:00
Up and she's doing it. Yeah, she's good. So there's something called no um

Arden Benner 30:07
Sabrina Carpenter, I don't know that name. She was on Girl Meets World, but she's like, a huge pop star now. So they either like, literally, like, make it, or like, you never hear from them again. All

Scott Benner 30:21
right, so listen, it's called child actor syndrome. They can have identity issues growing up in the public eye, which can make it difficult to develop a strong personal identity outside of their roles. They may struggle with a sense of self once they are no longer in the spotlight. I have thoughts about that. I'm going to come back to that emotional pressure. Acting can be emotionally demanding, lack of a normal childhood. Child actors often miss out on normal developmental experiences like schooling, friendships and family dynamics, substance abuse, financial mismanagement, difficulties, maintaining the success transition from childhood to act. Adult acting roles can be challenging. Former child actors may find it hard to be taken seriously as adult performers and secure roles. Macaulay Culkin, like that kid is as famous as a person could be, right? That guy, he clearly struggled afterwards. Lindsay Lohan struggled.

Arden Benner 31:10
Miley Cyrus.

Scott Benner 31:12
Miley Cyrus clearly struggled for a long time. I think about this all the time around sports stars like what's it like to be like a gladiator, you know what I mean, on that level, and then have somebody layer money over top of you, people's respect that comes, whether you deserve it or not, you can break a law. Somebody's going to get you out of it. You have all that stuff that comes, and then one day you twist your ankle and it's all over. Like, what did they do next? Like, what does a person Did you ever watch a baseball player talk? And you think, God, they've been standing on a piece of grass for so long, they have no other skills. Well,

Arden Benner 31:49
I feel that way. Sometimes when I would watch, like the Kardashians, they don't understand, like, normal everyday life. Like there's an episode where Kris Jenner, the mom and Kylie Jenner, like, go grocery shopping for themselves, and they're lost, and they're like, oh, like, they like, grab a car. And they're like, This is so fun. And people are like, are you serious? And there's a What's the other episode? There's this episode where it happens, but it's just like, it's so crazy. Or what about when Michelle, Michelle Obama, when the Obamas, like, their presidency ended, or something like that, Ellen took Michelle Obama to like, CVS or target or something, and she couldn't figure out how to use her credit

Scott Benner 32:35
card, yeah, because she just hadn't done it. Michelle Obama, yeah, in so long, she probably a

Arden Benner 32:39
very smart woman, yeah, couldn't use her credit card. They, I don't

Scott Benner 32:43
think they carry money or anything on them at some point, like, everything's kind of being taken care of. But you see a lot of, like, mental health struggles after, like, sporting careers that they'll find financial difficulties, of course, because, like, money's coming in so quickly while you're playing that you just think, like, this is never going to end, and then you spend on that level, and then it ends so abruptly. I mean, the average, like the at, what is the is the average span of a, let's say, pro football career, because I think that's the other thing is you spend so much of your life, right? Like as a kid in high school, I guess. I guess you want to guess within average football careers

Arden Benner 33:24
one second. I'm gonna do like a, like a, I think it's between eight and 13 years.

Scott Benner 33:28
I'm gonna bet you it's less than three. The average career span of a professional football player in the NFL is three to four years. What injury risk, high competition. It also depends on your position, running backs. Usually running backs make you know what a running back is. You do, right? I said, Okay, two and a half years wide receivers and linebackers, 2.9 to four years, quarterbacks, kickers and punters, four to six years.

Arden Benner 33:54
Yeah, because less they're not going to get injured as frequently. Yeah,

Scott Benner 33:59
many players never make it to a full NFL career, about 30% of players drafted in the NFL never play a single regular season game.

Arden Benner 34:06
Running backs and linebackers are probably bigger, right?

Scott Benner 34:11
They get hit harder, so they either hit somebody hard, or they get hit harder actually, as in shape, maybe oddly enough, the running backs normally get hit by the linebackers. Awesome. 30% of drafted players never play a regular season game, and only a small, small percentage play past their rookie contract, which is usually three to four years. Yeah, so that's like, what I'm talking about. Like you're a god in some people's eyes. It's so funny, too. Like you ever see what happens? You know, you don't have no idea who Lenny Dykstra is, right? Lenny played baseball for the Mets, then later for the Phillies, and today, I think he is in significant amount of trouble, both legally and in his own personal health and welfare. But while he was playing, he was out of his mind, like he was so good, and the stories kind of drip out a little bit the. They think there's people, there's stories that maybe like that Mets team was a little coked up while they were playing stuff like that. But I don't know that that could happen anymore. But maybe it could. I don't know. I just I feel badly for somebody who's been playing a game since they were four, and then one day they make it to the pinnacle of the whole thing, actually find a way to keep it going for a while, and then it just abruptly stops. But you're still in your 30s, and it must feel like everything you know, just disappears. But Bridget Mendler, my point is transition through that like it was nothing.

Arden Benner 35:34
Yeah, or you know who I think is pretty like impressive from like the child actor to like person point in their life. You know Jenna Ortega.

Scott Benner 35:46
Is she the girl? You know what? It's funny. She's super famous, and had been a ton of things, and I haven't found a way to not see one of the things she's in. She's the girl from the Addams Family remake, right on Netflix. What do they call that? Wednesday? Wednesday, and then she's in, she's in Beetlejuice Now, the second Beetlejuice. Okay,

Arden Benner 36:07
yeah, so she was a famous child actor too, but I think that I was listening to her do an interview, she said that her and her mom made a deal when she was younger, that, you know, she had to stay in school and get tutored and do all these things in order to go and be a part of, like, acting and all that. So they had this deal that she would, she would finish something, and then her mom would drive her, like, an hour and a half to, like, you know, a TV show she was on, and then she'd come back, and then she'd go to school, and she was like, and I wasn't allowed to act if I wasn't, you know, doing well in school. So, but a lot of the, I think a lot of the parents would pull their kids out of, like a normal school and get them like, you know, their own little personal teacher on set. And then, because I think there was, like, this one thing where the kids had a teacher teach them on the set of their show, and they didn't actually go to schools.

Scott Benner 37:04
I've heard, you have you heard, um, who talks about that sometimes? Jason Bateman, oh, did she have Yeah, like, how it's kind of, by the way, Bridget mendler's parents still together. Maybe a lot of this is parenting. You think? I think so,

Arden Benner 37:18
probably because I'm thinking about it like Jen Ortega's mom forced to do that stuff. Bridget Benner as parents like that, zendayas parents aren't together, but I know that they're like, a really big part of her life. And like,

Scott Benner 37:31
yeah, maybe that could be it. When I was younger, the first person that I remember really seeing be run over by this stuff was the girl from et Drew Barrymore. Drew Barrymore, right, and the boy from different strokes. Oh, my God,

Arden Benner 37:46
I can't Drew Barrymore. Does not speak to her parents.

Scott Benner 37:50
Listen, I've heard Drew Barrymore. His mom be interviewed. And there, I'm not a doctor, but, uh, there's something wrong with her.

Arden Benner 37:58
Well, she, I was just listening to an interview with her when she was saying that her mom's best friend used to give her weed and get her high when she was like, eight years old.

Scott Benner 38:10
Man, that's a confusing decision. Yeah, actually, all of the kids from this TV show that was super popular when I was young called different strokes, right? I think all of these people have had problems. Gary Coleman, Dana Plato, Todd bridges, I think Dana Plato has passed away. She died 99 there are people who don't know who I'm talking about right now, but these people were Ultra famous in the 70s and early 80s, and it messed them up. She's dead, is Todd bridges. Todd bridges is alive, good for him, but he struggled for a while and bounced back. And then I forget how Gary Coleman passed away.

Arden Benner 38:49
There were just, like, a certain type of people who are so famous at one point, and then, like, what happens? Like, I think about like, like, Gilmore Girls. Like, I think about them, what's her name? Lauren Graham. Not that she's not famous anymore, but she's not like Lauren Graham. You know what I'm saying. She's like a woman who was in parenthood and used to be Lorelei Gilmore.

Scott Benner 39:12
But where is she now? I don't know. Was she ever on the West Wing? I don't know. Maybe you don't know because you won't watch it.

Arden Benner 39:20
I I'm like, three seasons in debt. I have a lot going on, okay, but wait, who has to go fail a quiz tomorrow?

Scott Benner 39:29
Wait, she what? Who am I thinking of? It wasn't her, No, it wasn't her. It was, I don't know what I'm thinking of. Who is the girl on the West Wing who I'm confusing with? Lauren Graham. This is so upsetting. Oh, are

Arden Benner 39:43
you thinking of Morgan Kelly?

Scott Benner 39:45
No, I'm gonna figure this out, because it's upsetting me, and I'm gonna feel stupid when I get to it. Mary Louise Parker, I don't know who that is. Really super interesting in my mind. And until five seconds ago, Mary Louise Parker and Lauren Graham were the same person. I

Arden Benner 40:04
always thought Lauren Graham would play mom in, like, a reboot of our life, or something, reboot of our life, remake, I don't know. Yeah, have you ever thought about what actor would play you in the in a role, if it was like about our family? Like, who would you cast for our family?

Scott Benner 40:18
I don't think I have enough. I don't think I see myself in a way that I could make that distinction. I also like

Arden Benner 40:25
they need to look they need to look like you a little and be able to play your part.

Unknown Speaker 40:28
You think it would be Vince Vaughn, don't you? I

Scott Benner 40:31
mean, he's so tall, though.

Arden Benner 40:32
What about John Favreau?

Scott Benner 40:34
He could probably do it. He's probably also way too tall for me. But Vince Vaughn is like six, seven or something, six four,

Arden Benner 40:41
he's not six seven. What do you mean? It's probably like six four. He's six four. All right,

Scott Benner 40:46
calm down. I'm gonna look he's six five. That's pretty tall. You don't think that's tall?

Arden Benner 40:53
No, it is. I'm saying he's not six seven. Okay, well,

Scott Benner 40:57
who would play you? I don't know. I have no idea you should go with Bridget Mendler. I don't think she's successful.

Arden Benner 41:04
I don't think that she I don't think that our personalities are I don't think that would work. I also don't think we look alike. It's

Scott Benner 41:10
a really difficult thing to answer, like, who would play you? You don't know. You can tell other people.

Arden Benner 41:14
That's why I That's why I was, yeah, that's why I was helping you. That's why I said I think mom would be like Lauren Graham,

Scott Benner 41:19
what about Cole? What would be like?

Arden Benner 41:23
Well, Cole always says that when people say he looks like someone, it's that guy from Game of Thrones.

Scott Benner 41:27
I'm talking about, no.

Arden Benner 41:31
I mean, he needs someone to play him who can be kind of like a little asshole, like, uh, Jacob a Lordy, but Jacob alert. He's way too tall to play Cole. Not that cold short. He's just not like six four

Scott Benner 41:44
who on Game of Thrones, looks like Cole.

Arden Benner 41:47
Well, I don't think he looks like Cole, but he's been told this many times, um, we find him. I'm

Scott Benner 41:52
sorry. I'm laughing at Mom's text. What I want a Five Guys burger she just sent me and like, I'm laughing because I realized that months from now, she'll hear this on the podcast, because she's listening to your episodes. Hit Harrington. Hit Harrington. This guy, Casey, oh yeah, I guess he does look like Cole. I'm sure Cole is him,

Arden Benner 42:14
if Cole was God,

Scott Benner 42:17
you think this boy's handsome, like he's more attractive than Cole, really. Okay, well, I'm sure Cole will hear this one day and be very, very, very hurt by that

Arden Benner 42:25
it Harrington. Cole's significantly

Scott Benner 42:27
taller than him. Cole's got, oh yeah,

Arden Benner 42:30
he's really short. He's

Scott Benner 42:31
Cole's got four inches on him. Let's finish up this episode by talking about why most actors are shorter than you think they are or

Arden Benner 42:41
Well, yeah, that's true. The women especially. How tall is Tom Cruise women are smaller. Tom Cruise is like five six, right? Five Seven.

Scott Benner 42:50
Zac Efron, 58580 look at you. Hold on a second. Here's one that flips me out every time I think about it. How tall is Brad Pitt, five seven, he's 511 oh, what? And Clooney says he is too, but I've seen them next to each other, and I do think Brad Pitt's taller than George Clooney a tiny bit, maybe, but you have a Brad Pitt like, in my

Arden Benner 43:15
mind, just Clooney gives off, like, six foot energy.

Scott Benner 43:18
Six foot energy. What does that mean? Just seems like he'd be taller. Okay, how old is George Clooney?

Arden Benner 43:25
Oh, you that? Okay, wait, what if Cole was played by Nicholas Holt? You

Scott Benner 43:30
know who that is? Nicholas Holt,

Arden Benner 43:33
the guy from X Men,

Scott Benner 43:34
the the beast. Yeah, I don't see that as being like, looking like Cole. What I think this guy's

Arden Benner 43:41
got that she's got that weird energy that Cole has. I don't think

Scott Benner 43:45
Cole has weird energy. And I don't know this guy well enough to think that through. You're so wrong. Dad. I believe he'll appear in the last movie ever made by Yeah, Clint Eastwood's last movie. I think Nicholas holds in it. You have any idea who Clint Eastwood is? Yeah, when you think of him, what do you think of cowboys? Interesting? I think of a guy in a car with an orangutan. It's really specific. It is very specific. That's when I it's orangutan, right? Not orangutan, it's orangutan. I don't

Arden Benner 44:21
know, but I'm feeling left out because no one's told me what actress would play me. So there's that. Well, I ch and you know, you only said Bridget Benner because it was the only woman you could think

Scott Benner 44:29
of. Don't even don't play this game. I can't think of any actor that would I can't think of any actor, if I'm being honest, Did you just hear me confused? Two women who are not the same person? No, I

Arden Benner 44:40
wasn't listening. I can't lie.

Scott Benner 44:42
I've also gotten to the age where, like, when the Emmys Come on, or like the I like, I don't know who any of these people are. You're always like, you know this person? I'm like, I have no idea who that is. Or when you like, you guys will play me a song, and I'm like, I don't know that song. And you're like, No, you do. And I'm like, I do not know this song. I'm at that age now you seem like you're out. Things to say, are we done? I

Arden Benner 45:00
was just thinking about how short Lady Gaga is.

Scott Benner 45:04
How short is lady can I guess she?

Arden Benner 45:07
I think she's like five one,

Scott Benner 45:09
I'm going five two, just because I don't know she's five one, that's pretty short. She.

Arden Benner 45:16
If you told me Lady Gaga was six feet tall, I would believe you. She just seems like someone who's six feet tall.

Scott Benner 45:23
Yeah, she's obviously not.

Arden Benner 45:27
There was a video of her at a concert recently, and she's like, goes to like, where everyone's like, waiting to get into the show, or whatever. She starts throwing back the popcorn. She's like, enjoy the fucking show.

Scott Benner 45:41
She's great. Brad Cooper, six one,

Arden Benner 45:44
Bradley Cooper is, you know what? Like, he's one of those people that deserves his fame. He's good looking in a little bit of an unattractive way. He's tall. He's got the, what's the word, I don't know. Like, he could hit on a girl. It wouldn't be weird, you know what? I mean. Okay, he doesn't seem like

Scott Benner 46:01
an idiot. He grew up like, I would say, five to 10 minutes from where I

Arden Benner 46:06
grew up. He's in Silver Linings Playbook, which is great movie. So, so it's all okay. So it's all fine. He was married, if I had to, if I had to marry a man that was way too old for me. It probably be Bradley Cooper. He's

Scott Benner 46:18
49 exit. That's what I just said. He was married for a year. Interesting to what like a model, a woman named Jennifer Esposito. That sounds like a model who's 51 now. They were married in 2007 for a year. Click on her shoe model, American actress, film writer and director, known for her roles in Summer of Sam LA, law and order, that dropped off pretty quick. Let me say she's currently on blue buds, which is a TV show that's very popular. It's been on for like, 15 years. She's in the boys for six episodes a boys. Susan Rainer, I don't know if this is a podcast, but I'm having fun talking to what nothing. Wait, I see Susan ran and you know who that is. Wait, she looks she looks really familiar. Ew, dad. She's this woman, and this happens to her. Oh yeah, outside of where they meet at that um,

Arden Benner 47:19
yeah, I actually, I think she was trying to help them or something.

Scott Benner 47:22
Yeah. How about that? Look at how good you are. Not like no spoiler for you. You didn't do any spoilers. Yeah,

Arden Benner 47:28
cuz it's a good show, people should go watch it. The boys, I'm not pretty decent person. I wouldn't do that.

Scott Benner 47:34
We'd never do that. Do you think, uh, Bridget Benner hears this and reaches out to us? Or is she insulted by the whole thing.

Arden Benner 47:41
Why would she be insulted? I

Scott Benner 47:42
thought we were, well, you called her average, looking at some point, you said she's the person you'd why that? I'd I

Arden Benner 47:49
Okay, listen, what I mean is, when you walk past a movie star, they're kind of like, there's a fluorescent light shimmering around them, and you're like, oh my god, that person is really famous, Bridget Mendler could definitely put on a pair of mom jeans and a baseball cap and sunglasses, and I could walk past her, and I would not know Bridget Mendler is walking past me just like, okay, you know if Rihanna, if Rihanna tried to put on that same outfit, I'd be like, I think

Scott Benner 48:18
just walk past me. You'd be like, Brianna and mom jeans. What's going on? Yeah,

Arden Benner 48:22
okay. Like, why? Why is Beyonce wearing sneakers? Like, you know what I mean? Like, something like that.

Scott Benner 48:27
I think we have to split this podcast off of the regular podcast so we can talk about the whole P Diddy thing, because that's not good for this show, but it would be fun to pick through. I think I don't know what you're saying right now.

Arden Benner 48:38
This seems like a you thing.

Scott Benner 48:39
You don't understand what's happening with Sean Puffy homes?

Arden Benner 48:43
No, no. I'm saying I heard what he did. DM saying, I don't know what you mean by spoiling the sauce. I

Scott Benner 48:48
don't imagine it like people who are listening to the Juicebox podcast would like be interested in that, and how are we gonna get listeners done? I don't know. Think people are listening. Should I look to see if people are listening? We've had two episodes up. You want to do that? Then we can stop.

Arden Benner 49:04
Are there any reviews? Oh, that would be a great episode. Is like reading bad reviews?

Scott Benner 49:08
I've gotten a couple of nice emails from people. One lady said she was out for a run, and she had to stop because she was laughing so hard.

Arden Benner 49:16
And I wonder, I wonder what I wonder if she was laughing at something you said, or something

Scott Benner 49:20
I said. Good question,

Arden Benner 49:22
and we know the answer. We don't have to say it out loud. And somebody

Scott Benner 49:25
told me last night, if you want to hear how did they put it? Like if you want to hear of a daughter and father take the piss out of each other for an hour, you're gonna love this. So anyway, we've amassed about 10,000 downloads so far. We're not doing bad. I'm gonna need more than that. Everyone something get going. Should they be sharing this with other people?

Arden Benner 49:49
I'm trying to go to school for the third time over here. What do you mean for this

Scott Benner 49:54
third What are you gonna think of it going again? Well, yeah,

Arden Benner 49:57
ball school is technically another I'd have to apply to another school. Cool, that's

Scott Benner 50:00
a good point. Yeah, we've been Can you guys share this? And then we'll split it off into its own podcast so Arden can make some money and pay for her own school, right?

Arden Benner 50:08
Yeah, please, yeah. Actually have to, like, look into what schools to apply to. Oh, and I was thinking about it. What if I get into like, a, like, a law school, then is it even worth it? Who's gonna want me? Probably P Diddy. No one's gonna defend him.

Scott Benner 50:20
His PR, his PR, agent just disappeared off the face of the earth.

Arden Benner 50:23
I actually saw a meme that was like, when you're like a law when you just graduated law school and your first client is P Diddy, because who's gonna, like, take him as a client? I

Scott Benner 50:34
think if you just want to make social media money, we should just get a chiropractor to crack you and just video it over and over again. You make an audience. Yeah? You make a lot of noise, though. You think too creepy. Yeah, I'm trying. I

Arden Benner 50:48
am gonna try to find something that brings some money in,

Scott Benner 50:50
but I don't know what it is. Figure it out yet. Okay, well, let me know, if you know, if I don't know, I probably won't be anything. Honestly, you don't think you're gonna come up with anything Fair enough. Did

Arden Benner 51:00
you know that there's like, a like, I could, like, watch television and review it and make money? I'm pretty sure.

Scott Benner 51:06
Yeah, just sit and watch something and put your audio amazing at that. You're amazing at watching. Do you think everybody thinks they're amazing at that? No, not the way I am. Okay, I don't think people would admit it the way I am. What do you bring to the table? I

Arden Benner 51:21
don't I think this is, this is an interview right now. I would not get the job, but I am telling you that I would be good at

Scott Benner 51:27
it. All right, you're just not ready to make the pitch yet. No, I have, I don't have an elevator pitch for this. I cold called a research doctor today his office and tried to get him on the podcast. Research for what I don't want to say right now, but I did it. I call. I called flat called, made my bitch. Wait, sign it to me. How am I going to sign it to you? You're not going to know who it is once you hear it. Put it in the chat, in the chat, well, it's still not going to help you, and you're not going to think it's a big deal. What?

Arden Benner 51:58
What field of medicine? Don't

Scott Benner 52:02
tell me his name. I don't know what that means. What's your little icon on this? Oh, oh, San tells you argument there. I cared. I thought it was really cool. All right, we're gonna go. Do you want to say goodbye to the people I hate when you

Arden Benner 52:17
asked me that? Because the obvious answer is, I really don't,

Scott Benner 52:20
you can't just say goodbye. What would happen if you say goodbye? No,

Arden Benner 52:24
I don't. I don't like that, because we're not actually talking to anyone.

Scott Benner 52:27
I know, but they're listening, having a completely different I know, but I don't. I feel uncomfortable with that. Okay, then let's not we'll just stop recording. Yeah, cuz they're gonna hear us the next time. Fair enough. You

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