#582 Squiggles and Squats

Mallory Hart is a type 1, an artists and a lot of fun!

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Scott Benner 0:00
Hello friends, and welcome to episode 582 of the Juicebox Podcast.

Today on the podcast I'll be speaking with Mallory. She is an adult living with type one diabetes and an artist. You can check her out on Instagram at Mallory heart art. It sounds like it's spelled, and there's no E in heart. Mallory Heart, heart, heart, heart. Heart, heart, heart, heart, Mallory heart. Anyway, she's got a really great style. If you want to check her out while we're talking. You should. Please remember that nothing you hear on the Juicebox Podcast should be considered advice, medical or otherwise, always consult a physician before making any changes to your healthcare plan. Or becoming bold with insulin. I did that in one breath. And now I feel like I'm gonna pass out. T one D exchange.org. Forward slash juicebox from the US. Are you do you have diabetes? Are you the caregiver of someone with type one head over there? Take the survey support the show support people living with type one diabetes take you less than 10 minutes. I promised T one D exchange.org. Forward slash juicebox.

This episode of The Juicebox Podcast is sponsored by Dexcom makers of the Dexcom G six continuous glucose monitor and Omni pod makers of the Omni pod dash and the Omni pod promise, which I'll tell you about just a little bit later. But for now, Omni pod.com forward slash juice box. And dexcom.com forward slash juice box. Oh my God, my voice is getting so deep links in the show notes. Links at juicebox podcast.com. And I think I could play alert on the Addams Family right now. Ready? You writing? I hope I'm not getting sick.

Mallory Hart 2:13
Okay, I hope I do good.

Scott Benner 2:15
Oh, what do you mean, you hope you do? Good? Do you worry you're not gonna do well? Yeah, hold on a second. I gotta get something off the shelf. Wait.

Alright, tell me what you mean that you feel like you're not going to do that?

Mallory Hart 2:30
I don't know. You know, I was what I want to ask you is how many of these do you record that you never aired? Because they were just so bad? It's

Scott Benner 2:36
my favorite question. How many do you think that I've recorded that? I've not aired because they were bad.

Unknown Speaker 2:41
Five? Zero.

Scott Benner 2:44
Wait, I've never, I've never I've never thought that was terrible. No one gets to hear that.

Mallory Hart 2:49
First one right here.

Scott Benner 2:53
This thing here, just in case you're right. One because the sound was so terrible. And the person I was talking to was an older person, they could not hear me. And I could not talk to them properly. So it's just a disaster. Sure that one wasn't because of what they were saying. It was because it couldn't be recorded. Well, sure. There's one that was never aired, because the person said something. said something about their gender. And they were traveling to a foreign country and were concerned that they would be recognized from the podcast. So they asked not to play it, which is a shame because it was really good. And there was one that I recorded that I think the person I was speaking to had a mental breakdown during the conversation. And out of respect for them. I didn't put it out, but I've never not put anything out because somebody just was terrible. Well, okay, alright, so it's not a real big bar to jump over Mallory, but I mean, you could be the first one. I guess. I could, we can try. So I've now introduced you. So you don't need to do that anyway, anymore.

Mallory Hart 4:09
Okay, well, I'm still Mallory. And I'm still here. And I still have type one diabetes.

Scott Benner 4:13
So when were you diagnosed?

Mallory Hart 4:15
I was I'm 29 now and I was diagnosed in February in seventh grade, which is in 2005 2005.

Scott Benner 4:23
Wow, you're 29 Now does it feel like a long time?

Mallory Hart 4:33
I mean, it's been more than half my life. That I do remember life without it, but it is just my life now. It's what it's what I do, and it's what I know. Yeah, I think I think it does feel like a long time.

Scott Benner 4:47
Do you have a go to moment when you think of life before diabetes? Is there a scene in your head that you picture more frequently than others?

Mallory Hart 4:56
You know, I used to my mom and I would like go to the mall when I was a kid and we'd get like, you know, like a giant like, like one of the giant cookies with like the frosting in the middle or the make it like a sandwich. And I'm sure we did this after I got diabetes as well. But I couldn't do that today. I would worry too much.

Scott Benner 5:15
If you ate that cookie. Yeah, your blood sugar would shoot up.

Mallory Hart 5:18
Yeah, for sure.

Scott Benner 5:21
You haven't had one of those cookies since you've been an adult?

Mallory Hart 5:24
Well, I don't think most adults would have that much frosting, cookie. And I, I probably have had the equivalent, I definitely love my sugar and my sweets. And really don't care it I'll give myself as much insulin as I need. But at the same time you're doing that was always like in the moment spontaneous thing.

Scott Benner 5:45
Like, hey, you and I are out. We're shopping. Let's get one of these big sugary cookies. Yeah, it just was never that simple again.

Mallory Hart 5:54
Yeah, yeah, I think so. It's still not for you. Yeah. You know, though, at the same time, the beginning of diabetes. You know, I wonder how how I made it this far.

Scott Benner 6:07
Wait a minute. Wait. You mean from where you started with where the technology was? And where the the the ideas were?

Mallory Hart 6:14
Yeah, we didn't know a lot. And I was, you know, I was a young teenager. And I didn't want to listen to my parents. I didn't want to listen to my mom. And they would try. But I didn't. You know, I wasn't listening to them. They could only tell me to do so much.

Scott Benner 6:27
Well, maybe you were right. I mean, looking back now that they really know what they're talking about.

Mallory Hart 6:32
You know, I don't know.

Scott Benner 6:36
How do you not want to say that they didn't know or you're not sure.

Mallory Hart 6:40
They tried. They knew. But there was only so much we could know. You know, I had I had really good doctors, and they would try but

Scott Benner 6:49
yeah, so what happened that made you feel like it wasn't going well? Was it hindsight stuff? Like you didn't know in the moment? You weren't doing? Well? Did you?

Mallory Hart 6:57
Yeah. I would say maybe five, six years ago. I really started caring, maybe less. I found the podcast maybe two years ago. But I would say about a year and a half before that. I've gotten my agency down to the sixes and I was you know, carrying I got my Dexcom

Scott Benner 7:20
Well, I was gonna say, was it that you didn't care? Or was it you didn't know how?

Mallory Hart 7:26
I think I didn't care. And every time I would think about it, it was so overwhelming. Yeah, go I have to check my blood sugar that many times and I have to pay attention to all these things. But it's so much easier if I just don't,

Scott Benner 7:37
okay. I want to understand not caring. conscious. Lee don't care. Like, what's the example I want? I'm gonna jump off a 10 foot wall. I'll probably break my leg. I don't care. Here I go. Or was it the? This is hard. I won't do well, if I try. And so I'm not going to try. And then I pretend I don't care about the outcome to get myself through this bar.

Mallory Hart 8:01
Yeah, I think the second one, I think the second one. Alright. So now definitely I give myself insulin when I eat. But I was testing my blood sugar once or twice a day at best.

Scott Benner 8:10
Okay. And you were just injections.

Mallory Hart 8:14
I've had no I had a pump since freshman year high school. I got a pump. Oh.

Scott Benner 8:20
But still just treating the pump was just a replacement for injections, though. It wasn't any, like, kind of advanced tool.

Mallory Hart 8:27
Yeah, yeah. When I, when I first started out, you know, we were on the two different types of insulin. I think one was Hume log, and one was probably the NPH you know, when was cloudy to mix them together. And, and then when we started talking about getting a pump, we started to do Lantis. And he blogged for, I don't know, we did that maybe for six months or so. And that was really just to kind of get you used to

Scott Benner 8:51
a little bit more. The more modern at that point, the more modern practice of having a Yeah, Basal insulin and a meal insulin, and then you would eventually go to a pump or just I guess Hume log was in the pump and then you were done with everything.

Mallory Hart 9:04
Yeah.

Scott Benner 9:06
Okay, hold on a second. Are you still nervous?

Mallory Hart 9:09
I'm good. Are you good?

Scott Benner 9:11
Nice. Were you nervous at the beginning, though? Or were you just like being funny about stalking?

Mallory Hart 9:15
Um, no, I'm nervous. I'm a nervous person. In general. Yeah, I

Scott Benner 9:21
just made this little noise. It was like a little laugh. I don't even know if you know, you made it. And I'm gonna leave it in because it's kind of cute. I can't even replicate it. If I try. That would sound silly. If you say if you do it again. I'm going to point it out to you. But okay, so you're a little nervous by by nature.

Mallory Hart 9:42
Sure. Yeah.

Scott Benner 9:43
You're nervous by nature. Do you remember naughty by nature? Are these young for that?

Mallory Hart 9:50
Or just don't know it. The movie? I'm bad at movies. I don't see movies. So

Scott Benner 9:55
I think it was a band. Okay, yeah.

Mallory Hart 10:00
Oh no, no, no.

Scott Benner 10:00
Wait, hold on a second. I'm gonna read you some lyrics. And if you don't know, that's fine, but there's no way you don't Alright, ready? Okay, I'm not gonna read well I don't think I should read them all maybe I just Well alright, let's go let's go for this I'm just gonna read it very phonetically army with harmony. Dave drop a load on them opp How can I explain it? I'll take you through nothing alright well let's jump to the let's alright let's jump down to the now we're just gonna do the course you download opp yeah you know me you down with opp yeah you know me nope wow that was 1991 How old were you in 1991

Mallory Hart 10:58
I was born in November of 91

Scott Benner 11:00
There's no way you would this wouldn't come back around for you. Wow we i How did we trip into a song that actually came out? The year you were born? That's strange, but you still haven't heard that

Mallory Hart 11:14
maybe I have I can't say that I have familiar

Scott Benner 11:20
I don't think I can play it for you. I don't think I'm setting up the play it for you. Experience matters so you can't hear that right what I'm hearing Yes, okay, hold on

I'm gonna have to cut this out later because you don't know

Mallory Hart 11:44
that. Maybe it's okay. I think I've heard

Scott Benner 11:47
I we're gonna go deeper into the song Hold on. Jumping. Gaming. Fun to know about how many brothers out there notice what

Alright, if you've never heard that you've never heard it.

Mallory Hart 12:10
I think I've heard it, but I don't know it. All right. What kind of music do you like? Um, I I like a lot of dark industrial type of music, but also a lot of like ad stuff.

Scott Benner 12:24
I guess there was no way you were gonna know that when you describe the music you like in a way that left me not knowing what that music was. So whatever we go dark industrial music Give me a band name that I would know.

Mallory Hart 12:37
Oh, I don't know what you would know. Well, what whatever. I don't I mean, the most like mainstream you can kind of get would be like Nine Inch Nails. But yeah, yeah, but then it that. That's like, like the surface you know,

Scott Benner 12:51
I say there's a deeper dive. Yeah. Are you bothered the Trent Reznor makes like movie music now? Yeah, he can do what he wants to do what he wants. Look at you with your fine, your beautiful hippie attitude. You don't care. If you're not from the upper Northwest, then I'm Where are you from?

Mallory Hart 13:09
I'm in Colorado, Colorado. That was close enough in Denver. Yeah, same thing.

Scott Benner 13:14
Yeah, you've got that vibe about you. I had no idea where you were from. But I was going Seattle, Colorado, like somewhere in that swipe of the country right

Mallory Hart 13:23
there. I mean, those are very different types of the country. But yeah, not to

Scott Benner 13:27
me. Not when I'm generalizing. It isn't Mallory's exactly the same. Please let it go. Yeah, yeah. No, you just have an easy way about you. You're not interested in voicing your opinion on to me. It's, uh, you didn't criticize naughty by nature, which I mean, let's be clear. Anybody could have like, anyone could have been like, Yo, Scott. You know, I don't know this. Because it sounds horrible. That's what you could have said, but you were just like, No, I don't know that. I don't think you're very sweet. Are you sweet in the rest of your life? Like kind?

Mallory Hart 14:01
I like to think so. Yeah.

Scott Benner 14:03
What other people say that you're? Sure. I don't even know what that means. Okay. All right. Now I have to get back in focus. I don't know how that happened to me. Just now. I apologize. Let me just say right now I'm sorry for what just happened with the transpiring? What happened? So you have a pump. And it's not a tool for like, I'm gonna make extended Bolus is in conquer fat and protein rises. You're just like, I don't have to get shots now. Yay. For me.

Mallory Hart 14:32
Yeah, I remember when I when we first did my pump training. And I was it was a refresh and it might have been sophomore year. But, you know, there's like the extended Bolus and the square Bolus teacher and they basically told us they're like, Hey, you don't you don't need to worry about that now and then. never brought it up again. Yes, yes.

Scott Benner 14:51
For now, don't let the tiger bite you. Now after you learn how to keep the tiger from biting you. We're going to teach you all kinds of tricks, where the tricks and never mind that's nice. So how many how many years? Do you think you lived in that kind of space?

Mallory Hart 15:09
More than I haven't, I think I Yeah. Yeah, I would say I think I got my agency down to like the sixes maybe five years ago. But, you know, before that, but I made it before and fine.

Scott Benner 15:22
Before that. What was before that? Are you unwilling to say or would you rather not?

Mallory Hart 15:27
Um, usually maybe nines 10s? I never knew what my agency was because they would tell me to back Well, that's bad. And then I would just erase it on my memory and, you know, go on for the next three months of my life until they would tell me again.

Scott Benner 15:41
Did they try to scare you?

Mallory Hart 15:43
No, no, they tried to help me. I had really good doctors and the the pediatric endo I had, he's great. And I really liked him a lot. And he did. He did great things for me, but I didn't care quite as much Do your

Scott Benner 15:59
parents lean into you? Try to get you to care.

Mallory, did I miss that I lose you or do you not want to say hello, Mallory's you. Yeah, there you are. You're back. I was like, oh my god, I asked you if your parents tried to,

Mallory Hart 16:22
I can't hear you. Talking

Scott Benner 16:24
testing, test, test, test and test test. Testing, testing, hello testing.

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Mallory Hart 20:42
Hello. I can hear you now. I think it was my headphones, because I just disconnected them as well. And we connected them. Okay. I think we're good now.

Scott Benner 20:48
So I so after you said that you had you know, you had good doctors. They tried to help you, but you didn't care. I said, did your parents lean into you? Did they try to make you care? And then there's so much silence. And I'm like, Oh my God, I've hit on some deep, deep seated tragedy inside of Mallory. And then I finally go. Mallory, can you hear me? You weren't there. So yeah. Anyway, did your parents like Were your parents with you at those appointments?

Mallory Hart 21:13
My mom was my mom was always there. And she tried to care. But I think you know, like, you know, when you're like in the car and you test your blood sugar, she's like, well, what's the number? What's the number? And it's like, just I'm not I'm never gonna say this number. Do not ask me like, this is not the way to get the number. I don't know what the wait for her was. I don't think there was a right answer for her.

Scott Benner 21:31
I have to tell you. I think a lot of people end up saying that a lot of adults in your situation looking backwards say, I don't know what my mom or dad could have actually done that would have gotten me to that place. Sure. Yeah. Is it the age maybe?

Mallory Hart 21:46
Yeah, I definitely think it was the age. I think that

Scott Benner 21:50
were you a problematic child in other ways?

Mallory Hart 21:54
No, I think I mean, I was an only child. Um, but I think I was pretty good.

Scott Benner 21:59
I didn't mean to say that you were problematic in diabetes. I just meant like, were you like, like, what was your free time spent with? Were you you know, cooking math? Or,

Mallory Hart 22:08
like, you know what? I mean? No, no. No, I was a good kid. I didn't I hung up by myself. I did a lot of art on my own. Yeah,

Scott Benner 22:21
you know, artists now for live. Yeah, that's that's my job. Yeah, you make the money that way. That is very do so is there something introspective about you? Are you an internal person?

Mallory Hart 22:36
Hmm, I don't know. I think yeah, maybe? Maybe. I've never thought about it like that. So yeah, we're gonna

Scott Benner 22:42
think about it like that now. So like, you don't worry. Don't worry. She never did. We'll just work it out right now with everybody listening. Meaning would your friends know your kind of inner thoughts? Where are they yours? Personally?

Mallory Hart 22:58
I think their mind

Scott Benner 22:59
okay. And the anQ would you call yourself anxious or cuz you said nervous. Remember we said by nature? Yes. I am anxious. Okay. Had you said anxious we never would have heard down with opp by the way. Then my ADHD would have jumped around like it did, which I don't believe I have, but that's not the point. So you have a lot like a level of anxiety. Is it a level that needs medication?

Mallory Hart 23:26
No, no, I've tried it in the past and it didn't really help so I was better off without it.

Scott Benner 23:30
Do you? Do you go with the the state bird of Colorado?

Mallory Hart 23:35
And yeah, yeah, sometimes I do. That's how you manage sometimes I wouldn't say I you know, I use that you know, regularly. But

Scott Benner 23:47
how does that come? I just may I ask you again? I want to I want to understand how that happens if you're not a regular smoker, then what happens in your life that makes you go I know what I need right now it's to hit some weed those words but I'm saying

Mallory Hart 24:03
yes yes those words exactly. Yeah, but no I think I never did in high school or anything because I was a good kid. You asked that I was good. But I think just curiosity

Scott Benner 24:16
curiosity got you started but what makes you today as an adult say I'm gonna do this today is it like life stress or or is it pleasure

Mallory Hart 24:29
it just it just helps you relax and I'll often use them and then I'll you know sit down for four hours and knock out a painting so I use a lot of details my painting so it'll just help me like focus and get them done.

Scott Benner 24:46
By focused you mean take away outside stressors like anxiety?

Mallory Hart 24:54
Yeah.

Scott Benner 24:56
You I don't know if you're agreeing with me because I'm the host of the show where You believe what you're saying?

Mallory Hart 25:01
No, I think I think so. I think so I'm often not good at figuring out what I'm thinking and putting into words. So I'm, the gears are turning while you're talking. That's okay. Yeah, I mean, I think it just did from the distractions and I could just focus on one thing and do what I want. And if I don't want to do that, that's fine.

Scott Benner 25:22
I I'm understanding now I'm starting to get it. So need to focus, have anxious thoughts, probably that are underlying, I don't imagine you're aware of them constantly. And then smoke a little bit. And then the anxious thoughts go away, then you can focus on the thing you want to do or relax? Yeah, I got it. Okay. Would that have been valuable when you were younger?

Mallory Hart 25:56
I don't know. I don't think I had as much anxiety when I was younger. I don't know why I do now. Honestly, I do think that it does seem, the more controlled, I got my diabetes and my numbers, the more anxiety I have over them not being good. And I'm sure that's fairly normal as well.

Scott Benner 26:17
So when you're just kind of throwing, throwing it to the wind, yeah, none of it mattered, but now you're paying attention to it. And so just the sheer process of paying attention adds other things to be concerned about. And they those things come to you as anxiety.

Mallory Hart 26:34
Yeah, I think so. Wow.

Scott Benner 26:36
It's interesting. I'm not anxious. So I'm always fascinated when people talk about it. Sure. Yeah. It's it really is interesting to me. And I don't know that there's a way through it. Other than, you know, the things people do. I mean, I mean, if we're being honest, and we look at society in general, most people probably drink right. And now more and more people are smoking. I mean, these are, these are steps to to help with this kind of stuff, I imagine.

Mallory Hart 27:04
Yeah, yeah, I definitely don't drink I only drink iced water. I just don't like the taste of anything else.

Scott Benner 27:08
You do not come off as a drinker at all? Yeah, like, what kind of art do you do?

Mallory Hart 27:15
I mostly I paint a lot of skulls and animals. I do a lot of cats as well. There's genre.

Scott Benner 27:23
How do I make money with us? What how do we make money with this?

Mallory Hart 27:27
Well, I sell my work. I mainly I travel around the country to expos shows conventions, that kind of thing. And I set up a booth and I sell prints, patches and pins, stickers on my work and that kind of thing.

Scott Benner 27:40
That is really cool. I could do on the interweb. It was very easy. Yeah, you can Mallory heart art. That's me. That's nice. I'm looking now. Lovely. Yeah, look at this.

Mallory Hart 27:53
Yeah. And then and I also I paint theater sets as well. It's kind of my day job. Once that comes back. When the world comes back, it will be at least

Scott Benner 28:01
tell me with that. And then what that means.

Mallory Hart 28:05
I paint theater sets for theater shows. I work for one of the biggest theatrical companies in Colorado, and we make the scenery.

Scott Benner 28:17
Oh, no kidding. So backgrounds. He kind of set the mood with with that. Is that what you're saying?

Mallory Hart 28:24
Yeah, yeah. So you know, the carpenters will build the set, and we'll texture it, paint it, carve it, whatever needs to be done.

Scott Benner 28:32
How do you get so interested in painting skulls? Like what's the what brought you to that?

Mallory Hart 28:37
The schools, you know, I really liked the texture. You know, I like I like darker things. That's always been the stuff that I've liked. And I started doing schools and I just kind of really got into them. I like the texture and like the little like divots you can get and they're all a little bit different. And then they started selling well. So once they started selling well, I just kind of keep doing them.

Scott Benner 28:55
Okay, kidding. It this one's really cool. skull with waters and black.

Mallory Hart 28:59
Yeah, like that.

Scott Benner 29:01
I mean, that there's a lot here. That's really why you're very talented. Congratulations. Well, thank you. Is this something you have to work out? Or was it very natural for you?

Mallory Hart 29:13
I mean, I'm, I'm a believer that talent doesn't really exist, that it's more of like something I enjoyed to do. So I kept doing it. And, you know, built up the skills and just, you know, putting hours into it and time into it is what makes me good at it. You know, each school the first one I painted is a lot worse than the last one I painted and they get better and there's ones that you know, you paint things over time and it's like, well, that's not good and you don't ever show that. But you have to paint, you know, X amount of bad paintings before you'll have any good paintings.

Scott Benner 29:43
Do you work in one medium, or do you jump around?

Mallory Hart 29:47
I jumped around. Most of my work is watercolor. But I do jump around. I'll do acrylic and oil sometimes, but mostly I stick to watercolor for now.

Scott Benner 29:58
You're more comfortable talking about About this and the other stuff that you know that what I do I just made you uncomfortable again. I'm sorry. Yeah, it's sort of like a thing I'm trying. Yeah.

Mallory Hart 30:10
Wow. And I, I also work in theater as well. So I'll run shows and concerts and stuff, you know, backstage and as a camera operator right now, the times were in, but

Scott Benner 30:22
so the COVID has caused you to have to branch out a little bit, or was it something you were already doing? You're just doing more of it.

Mallory Hart 30:29
It's just something the venue I worked for has transferred to doing

Scott Benner 30:35
sound testing? Where were you? When I was looking for a logo? Jesus, come on Mauer

Mallory Hart 30:39
would have done it for you.

Scott Benner 30:40
If you didn't know you then. Or, I mean, it would have been nice. Really lovely. You've been listening the podcast for a couple years. You said? Yeah. What What led you to find it?

Mallory Hart 30:54
It was one of your Dexcom CEO, interviews in another, you know, less than great diabetes Facebook group. Someone had posted an interview with a Dexcom CEO. And I said, that looks interesting. And I listened to it and

Scott Benner 31:06
own it was mine. Yeah. And then I was so amazing. You just kept listening. Exactly. See, that's what I thought. Now we're starting to get the hang of this now. Good job, Mauer. Yeah. You really talented. I have to get off your website, or I'm going to be able to talk to you. That's very cool. Oh, look at that pin. I would like that pen. Alright, Mallory, Hart. Art. And if you ever fart, I guess we could probably do another URL. But you don't fart? Probably. No, never. I didn't imagine. Yeah, I your stuffs really great. Good for you. That's really amazing. When did you start? When did you start with? With painting? How old were you?

Mallory Hart 31:48
Yeah, I've been, I've been drawing my entire life. You know, my mom always likes to say like, when I was in preschool, the rest of the class was like watching a movie. And I was nothing to do with the movie. And I would be drawing outside of the room. So I've always kind of done it. And then in high school, I had a really good art teacher and I got serious about it. And I went to art school. I have a degree in illustration. Where'd you go? Can you say? Yeah, I went to Rocky Mountain College of Art and Design here in Denver.

Scott Benner 32:13
Are you a Colorado born and bred person?

Mallory Hart 32:16
Yep. I like it here. So I've never left. Yeah,

Scott Benner 32:18
I thought nice. When you're, um, when when you went dead and you couldn't hear me. I thought maybe your headphones got high. And then I was like, that's what happened. They smoked in here. I don't know what happened. Now. It doesn't matter. Okay, so now. So you so you come to the podcast to the Dexcom interview? And then do you? And now you have more tools, but you say the tools make you anxious? Yeah. Can you talk about that a little bit?

Mallory Hart 32:47
Yeah, I mean, I'm sure I'm not the only one that feels that way. But you know, before, you know, I might be feeling off or something. I bet. Okay, well, let me test my blood sugar. And I would say 250. I bet. Okay, well, that's high. I'll give myself some insulin, but that's not why I'm feeling bad. You know, that wasn't a it was a high number, but it wasn't an out of normal number. But you know, now I'm like, oh, it's trending up. It's 150. You know, not that bad yet, but it's going up and then you know, get anxious about that. And then I have to continuously watch it and what kind of thing what

Scott Benner 33:19
happens? But what about your outcomes? Are your outcomes better than they were three or four years ago? Oh, 100%. Okay. And does that make you feel better? Physically?

Mallory Hart 33:30
Yes. To make you I feel I feel worse sooner. You know, if I'm above 200. Now, I feel awful.

Scott Benner 33:36
Yeah, that's good. By the way. Yeah, no, yeah. No. How about like, emotionally? Are you happier with yourself? Like, is there any feeling of contentment or not contentment that you succeeded somehow? Does it feel like you're helping yourself?

Mallory Hart 33:58
Yes, yes. But then I also I go back, I'm like, Well, the first 10 years I didn't do so well, and what damage have I done? You know, and there's nothing I could do to go back. I can't ever change that. It's the day, whatever, whatever is done is done. And it might hit me later. And it might not. You know, I worry mostly about my eyes because of what I do. They're important. And I'd like to keep them. Good. So I, you know, see the eye doctor at Barbara Davis. And he's really great. You know, but he sees signs of bad things happening and it's just kind of a do good now and see what happens and we'll never, it might get worse, and it might not. I won't

Scott Benner 34:37
know. Are they doing anything right now? Are they stepping in? Or no?

Mallory Hart 34:41
I just go yearly and they take the photos of my eyes and look at the depth for the dead squiggles and compare them to the last year's dead squiggles and see if we have any more dead squiggles and

Scott Benner 34:51
head squiggles. That's if that wasn't such a bummer. That is the name of the podcast.

Mallory Hart 34:58
It's fine, but that's fine.

Scott Benner 35:00
If you can, if you could just go for something slightly more upbeat the next time you're very, very, very thoughtful about that, I'd appreciate it. I actually, you know, I went back to your website, there's something wrong with me. Like, I'm shallow. I'm like, I can't look. But you said, you're really, really you're doing just very talented. How do you get information about the website out? Like, how do you do that?

Mallory Hart 35:23
Well, I'm, I'd say, I'm most active on Instagram. That's where I build most of my following. And then when I travel to shows, you know, I give out my business card, and people see me and then they might buy something, and they might follow me later, they might just take a card and follow me. Um, but you know, if they're on my Instagram, and they see something they liked, and they would go to my website to buy it.

Scott Benner 35:42
Gotcha. It's really something. I think I'm, I think I'm partially interested because I have no artistic ability. And that's, that's, it's just, it's, it seems very impressive that you do to me, like I couldn't, like if you if you told me, it meant my life, to do anything. That was even symmetrical. I don't think I could handle that. I guess I'm gonna die if I gotta make both sides of this look equal. So

Mallory Hart 36:14
big tools for that, you know, we have rulers and I draw a line down the middle and measure and

Scott Benner 36:19
you're being kind I wouldn't be able to find it.

Mallory Hart 36:21
I just be tracing paper. You know, we got things. Oh,

Scott Benner 36:24
I see. You're cheating is what you're saying. Yeah. So you're really only talented at drawing one half of it.

Mallory Hart 36:36
Yeah, you got to use the right tools to do the right thing. You got to make the job easier.

Scott Benner 36:40
That's really cool. I am. I'm just very impressed. And you're young. Still how old? You say you are.

Mallory Hart 36:46
I'm 29.

Scott Benner 36:48
And now I'm seeing a set from a play. Well, no kidding. Yeah. That really adds so much depth and everything to to what's happening. Oh, that's a I'm jealous. So not have your anxiety, though, that you can have. But the other stuff. Thanks. Cool. Oh, thank you. 29 dating? Got a purse? I

Mallory Hart 37:11
haven't. I have a husband. Oh, yeah. Yeah, he's awesome.

Scott Benner 37:16
Where do we meet him?

Mallory Hart 37:18
We went to high school together.

Scott Benner 37:19
Oh, he's known you the entire time. You've had diabetes?

Mallory Hart 37:24
Yep. We went to high school together. We did you know, theater together in high school. And we both work in theater now.

Scott Benner 37:31
So hey, is he at all involved with your diabetes?

Mallory Hart 37:37
Yeah, yeah, he knows. He knows what's up. He follows my Dexcom hope. You know, if he gets the urgent low alarm, he'll call me from wherever he's at and make sure things are good.

Scott Benner 37:49
So he's kind of like a warning system for you.

Mallory Hart 37:52
Yeah, he did want to put my insulin in the freezer on a trip. But other than that, he's, he's good

Scott Benner 37:58
in a hotel. Yeah. We're very upset.

Mallory Hart 38:03
We were we drove in for a show and it was late and he's like, can we put that in the fridge for you? And I said yes. And he was tired and put it in the freezer and I had a set change the next morning I had to do it I get to it and was not good.

Scott Benner 38:16
Now you just very artfully did not answer my question at all. Were

Mallory Hart 38:19
you angry? What was the question?

Scott Benner 38:21
Were you angry?

Mallory Hart 38:22
I was angry. Yes. But at the same time, he knew he screwed that up.

Scott Benner 38:27
And he let him off the hook a little. Yeah, yeah. Yeah. Just one was it like a lot of would you do? Did you go with words are dirty looks or how to handle Exactly. Do you remember?

Mallory Hart 38:39
I don't think I had to do much he knew.

Scott Benner 38:43
It's a wonderful power that you have. Mm hmm. Yeah. i It's so one of the things I'm most jealous about for women in relationships is just that whole, like, I could be as upset as I like, I could be legitimately upset and I don't think it would impact my wife at all. I don't think she'd be like, Oh, no, obviously, I've messed up. I think she would completely immediately turn around on me and go Why are you acting like this? Mm hmm. Guys have a superpower. That's all kids making babies or anything like that?

Mallory Hart 39:17
No, no, not for me.

Scott Benner 39:18
Not for you. 100% Not

Mallory Hart 39:20
for me. How come? I I like mice. I'm too obsessed with myself. Like I wouldn't be able to travel and do my shows. I don't I don't want any of that. I have cats and a dog and that's great. I love them.

Scott Benner 39:34
Children would not fit your lifestyle.

Mallory Hart 39:36
No, no and I wouldn't enjoy it and

Scott Benner 39:40
I think I know you would enjoy having children by the by the mere fact that you said I would enjoy it. Those things would not be enjoyable to me. No, it's your mom ever talk to you about it?

Mallory Hart 39:57
Not really

Scott Benner 40:00
She doesn't she doesn't, like hold you up a little bit ever.

Mallory Hart 40:05
No, no, I think she realizes it's not not happening.

Scott Benner 40:09
Does she have other kids? No, I'm an only child. Right? You said you were an only child. Yep. Okay, well, that's very nice for not to give you a crap, don't you think? Mm hmm. Now, I don't know, you and I, I don't understand you. Sometimes you get so chatty about the art and on the other stuff. You're just like, I think I could say anything and you would agree with it. Is that true?

Mallory Hart 40:36
No, no, definitely not.

Scott Benner 40:39
Did you see me answer? You asked you that question on purpose that you would say no. No. Oh, okay. Is my sarcasm okay for you?

Mallory Hart 40:48
Yes, I love it. I'm a very sarcastic person myself. So

Scott Benner 40:53
are you out sarcastic me right now? And I'm not aware of it. Am I now, what do you think of that? That's funny. What's the last play you worked on?

Mallory Hart 41:11
Oh, it's been so long. You know, we haven't done theater for a year and a half at this point. But I truly don't know the last set that I've been we've done. I've done some little stuff. That's not necessarily for a play. We did like a Christmas. Or you want to call it a Christmas, like drive up walk through events at our theaters. So I made some cutouts for that, you know, some cutouts? Like take a picture in front of kind of thing.

Scott Benner 41:39
Yeah, okay. I understand. You're saying all right, but there's just nobody's out in the mountain. So nobody's going to

Mallory Hart 41:44
I mean, we can't we can't. The main theater that I do all my set work for. They can't afford to open up until there's no capacity limits or social distancing. I get it.

Scott Benner 41:59
I see. Yeah, yeah, they have to fill every seat in order to make it

Unknown Speaker 42:02
work. Yes.

Scott Benner 42:06
If it never came back, what would you do?

Mallory Hart 42:09
Um, I mean, eventually, I want to do my art full time. I'd love to be able to be successful at that enough. But right now most only about 50% of my my work life.

Scott Benner 42:23
Do you have like, do you have like a another like paying job?

Mallory Hart 42:28
I work in the other theatre backstage running shows pitches that we're doing hammers. Yeah. And we're doing at that theater. We're doing some shows at limited capacity. And we're live streaming everything. So.

Scott Benner 42:39
Oh, cool. I see. A lot of comedy shows are starting to happen again. I think that's got to be the beginning of

Mallory Hart 42:46
all this. Yeah, yeah. We're

Scott Benner 42:47
getting there. You know, the music I would imagine would be next. The

Mallory Hart 42:51
world's coming back. We're on the tail end of this. We're getting there. I've traveled for a couple shows on my art so far. I have another one at the end of this month. So are you vaccinating there? Yeah, yeah, I got I got an early I lucked out.

Scott Benner 43:08
Nice. I just got mine the other day. The lady I got j&j. Sona need one. Okay. But the lady went really high on my show. So I shouldn't Well, anyway, whatever. So I get there, right. And the woman's wearing a little name tag, and it's like her name. RN Miko was she's a nurse. That's nice. But she was how do I want to say this? She was a couple of years past where I would be hoping she'd be given me an injection. Just older, if I'm being clear. And there's a pat like a, I don't know if it was an Android pad or an iPad or something that she had to set the whole thing up on. And so after what felt like an eternity of her trying to work the iPad. She even joked she goes, Don't worry. I'm way better at the needle part than I am at the iPad. And I was like, Oh, I wasn't worried. And I laughed. But what I was thinking is Oh, good, because you're terrible at running this iPad. I am concerned about your dexterity all the sudden cuz she was trying to push buttons and missing them. You know what I mean? You were What's your mom do that on the phone? Like my mom? Yes. Yeah. It's Oh my god, it's okay. She's been a nurse probably like, forever, right? Like, she was probably Abraham Lincoln's nurse. So this will be fine. Not considering that Abraham Lincoln died. And maybe that that wouldn't have been a good thing. But so she's like, pops off the needle. And I'm like, Okay, what arm I said last and I put it out there and I relaxed my arm and everything. And then she just felt like she stabbed me in the socket of my shell. Like, oh, my whole arm hurt, like, instantly and then the pain like ran down a little bit. And she pulled it out and like God damn, like, she's like, how is that? I go, great. Thanks. She goes, Do you need a bandaid? And I said, Why don't you tell me if I need a band aid and she goes, doesn't look like you do and I said, Well, then I'm not going to take a band aid and i i left but then like a day or two later I sent in my wife like in my arm is still sore. And she looked and she goes, it is so high up on your shoulder. And then we've started thinking about how long the needle was. And I was like, did she just put it like right into the, into the joint? Maybe? I don't know. Anyway.

Mallory Hart 45:16
Um, at least you don't have to go back to her for a second one.

Scott Benner 45:19
I would do it. I honestly think if I'm being completely honest, I could have given that injection to myself and other better,

Mallory Hart 45:26
right, I'm sure you could have. Sometimes I want to ask, What can I do that

Scott Benner 45:30
I could get? I felt like saying like, let me let me get this. She just I don't know. She was lovely. She was, you know, nice and kind. And everything

Mallory Hart 45:40
just sounds like it. It sounds like it sounds like it was a lovely experience. The whole thing

Scott Benner 45:43
was actually the entire experience was a disaster. But she seemed like a lovely person is what I'm saying. And then she afterwards she goes, this is only the second one I've done. That I wanted to go back to the guy. It's like the entrance has sent me over there and be like, Yo, man, come on.

Mallory Hart 46:02
back, go back and get another

Scott Benner 46:03
send me to the new lady who didn't understand how to like push, like her finger on the iPad, like, anyway, but I am vaccinated now I'm very happy about it. And yeah, I did not have any healthy like I didn't feel you know, sometimes people say feel sweaty, or you can get like a light fevers, nothing like

Mallory Hart 46:23
that. I had a horrible night after the second one. But I made it Jeff Maderna or Pfizer. I had Maderna and the second one I had like a fever of like 102 all night, then, you know, couldn't sleep at all because I felt horrible.

Scott Benner 46:35
Do you need more insight?

Mallory Hart 46:37
I didn't really?

Scott Benner 46:39
Do you normally when you get sick or do you not get sick very often.

Mallory Hart 46:44
I feel like I get I get my fair amount of colds and stuff. And sometimes I do. You know, after the first shot, I felt like I needed a little bit more insulin, but it could have been anything that made me need that more insulin. So I didn't notice it a lot after the second one. Yeah,

Scott Benner 46:59
I don't even remember being sick because of COVID and wearing a mask outside and everything. I haven't felt like heavy felt second over a year. It's been great. You don't I mean, like I might keep up this life as part of me. It's like I'm like, maybe I will like, at least during flu season. You know what I mean? Like, I'll be like, Hey, girl, she stopped me cover my face.

Mallory Hart 47:18
I hope we can get to a point where if you had a cold or flu, but you were gonna go out? Maybe you would wear a mask? Oh, I see. I don't. Yeah, I don't think we're going to but it's some I thought you're hoping

Scott Benner 47:29
for other people to learn? Not yes, no, I'm gonna stick with me learning. I'm not gonna lead on anybody else for this. This is this is?

Mallory Hart 47:37
Yeah, I think we're I think we've learned our lesson. Yeah, we know the people to take care of other people. It's not.

Scott Benner 47:43
Other otherwise I have to say that like for things like your job, and just stuff that I've witnessed with my kids. You know, it's been obvious. I'm saying something completely obvious. But this is going on longer than people seem to have the capacity for. At this point. I don't think it's anybody's fault. Like, it's not like you should try harder. I just mean, like, my kids need to have a schedule and leave the house and need to get dressed to go somewhere. I think that might be the biggest loss of all this is is a schedule.

Mallory Hart 48:19
Without that I don't need a schedule. You don't have it. Yeah, you're an

Scott Benner 48:23
adult to true. I mean, ish. As we're talking. I'm realizing you're more like a being emotionally where you're right around 19. Toy. Fair, right. I'm at 16 like that. Yeah. So yeah. But like my daughter needs to, like, get up in the morning and have to get dressed. Like, like, she shouldn't be able to what she said to me like an hour ago, and she came into the kitchen to like, drop something off. And she's like, I'm gonna work out and I'll school's over. I was like, okay, and I hear my wife go, are you wearing a bra? And she goes, I don't wear a bra for school anymore. I feel like she needs to be in a situation where school equals undergarments. Yeah, that might be valuable. Yeah,

Mallory Hart 49:03
yeah, I get that. I get that. But it's been a good year. I mean, not a good year, but it's been a good year of getting to like stay home and not, you know, have to get dressed every day. And

Scott Benner 49:13
I'm sure that I'm going to defend you and agree with you that, that I did enjoy the break. Like I've been alive a lot longer than you. But I did enjoy the the time of not rushing around. Like we do, like in the course of a lifetime. Like I didn't Yeah, you know what I mean? You lose track of the fact that you'd never stop.

Mallory Hart 49:38
Yeah, yeah, I'm getting back to traveling for shows to sell my art and it's, you know, what I'm signing up for I do have, you know, 10 to 15 of those a year and I didn't do any for you know, over a year. And I'm starting to do those again. So that's starting Yeah. A lot of planning and stuff goes into that.

Scott Benner 49:57
I will say that you know, with a bit of a A vacation time that my wife gets, we usually use it throughout the year, she'll take like a day off here a couple days before Christmas, like you're always using it to prep for something. And I think it's possible that moving forward, we will start taking it in bigger blocks, like looking at that time as respite and not just like, Oh, here's a day where I don't have to work so I can accomplish something else. Mm hmm. I mean, at least I feel that way. And I want to, I would like to see more of the country. I've suddenly that seems important to me to get to the places that I wanted to see that I haven't seen yet.

Mallory Hart 50:32
Yeah, that's one thing I like about taking my art around the country and selling it as I get to go to all these new places that never been. Yeah. And I drive everywhere, too. So

Scott Benner 50:41
that's what we're gonna do, too. We decided we're going to, to do it that way. My son was just in Colorado. Oh, cool. He was in Wyoming. And then it's not as fun. No, not that. I think they wouldn't think they were snowboarding. And then they drove home but they very purposely drove home. They went to Moab Moab. Is that how you say that desert? Yes. No. Yeah. And then they went to the sand. Dune Sand Dunes National Park. That's right.

Mallory Hart 51:10
Yep. That's it's pretty self. But yeah, yeah, I went there when I was a kid. I have some memories of it.

Scott Benner 51:17
What were your memories of it?

Mallory Hart 51:18
I remember it rained. It was like a huge store. But it rained a lot. And we had to like, walk my parents like, Oh, we're gonna go walk the sand dunes. And it's like, raining and we had to walk through this like, shallow. Like there was like six inches of water we had to walk through if we take our shoes off, and then like, our legs got all wet. But then it was like, sand just blowing on our legs. And it was so painful. And I'm like, why are we doing this? This is miserable. But now you're older. Do you know why you did it? Yeah. And then there were fire ants where we were camping. I'd like to go back someday. But that was not

Scott Benner 51:51
your poor parents got you there and they're like, look, we spent all the money we have getting you here. This day. We're gonna be here.

Mallory Hart 51:57
My mom worked for the National Park Service. So we'd get to go to the parks with her. Sometimes mom's

Scott Benner 52:02
a hippie as well. I didn't know this. Hold on a second. I'm talking over you but I don't feel completely bad about it. Your mom's a hippie to what? Your mom you're a hippie. You know that Mallory, right? No, no, Mallory. You do art for a living. You paint sets in plays. You travel and share your stuff with people and your mom worked for the National Park Service. Yeah, and your dad made tie dye. No. was just one kid. They had one kid because they probably were like, Alright, that's enough. We have stuff we want to do, too. Or you were just a pain in the ass. They're like, let's not do that again. Am I wrong? You

Mallory Hart 52:44
know? I don't think I'm a hippie. I think you're wrong about that. Okay. I think I'm a modern, artistic goth kid that grew up I think is how I would put it.

Scott Benner 52:58
Okay. But yeah, interestingly enough, I see that the same.

Mallory Hart 53:01
You can't, you can't see me. But you could go to my website and go to my about page and see a picture of me, but I have like blue and purple hair.

Scott Benner 53:08
Oh, well, don't you think that's modern? Alright, I think so. Hold on first. I'll do that.

Mallory Hart 53:14
I only wear black. I don't think that's a very hippie thing.

Scott Benner 53:20
I don't know. I think you're being like you're being you're thinking about the 60s and I'm just thinking about it as a vibe.

Mallory Hart 53:26
Maybe? Maybe.

Scott Benner 53:27
What do you mean, maybe? I know what I'm thinking. I might be wrong, but I know what silly thoughts are Wait a minute, I'm on 20 Work originals for sale, patches, pins, prints apparently.

Mallory Hart 53:39
onto the side, you can see the about there's a picture of me down. I say all this. I'm gonna redo my website pretty soon. So it's gonna be all different by the time this episode comes out,

Scott Benner 53:49
I do not see about just so you know. I can go up here and type about after the URL and find it that way. Oh, hi. Oh, there you are. Hello.

Mallory Hart 54:02
Nice. Me.

Scott Benner 54:03
It's nice to see you. Yeah, you're just a modern hippie. It's all okay. Okay, if that's what you want to say why it's not Oh, I like to wait. I don't want to say anything. I have to say something or the podcast that was being a podcast. Cue imagine if I was just like, slow and I didn't really talk much. You'd be like, wish this guy would talk more. But no, no. Nevertheless, I think it's, um, thank you. It's really interesting. How, like, you've described a number of different parts of your life and that and the diabetes and how they all sort of you can see how they intersect with each other. But they don't they don't seem to overwhelm each other, which is nice. You're not You're not overwhelmed by your diabetes.

Mallory Hart 54:49
Yeah. You know, and I, early on when I got diabetes, my parents didn't, they never wouldn't hold me back from anything. You know, I said I got diagnosed in February of seventh grade, the summer After eighth grade, I didn't exchange trip for a month in Japan. And I look back on that, like how in the world my parents thought that was a good idea. But it went fine. Yeah, well, I guess, you know, they sent me with a bunch of syringes and some insulin and, you know, eating foods I knew nothing about and

Scott Benner 55:18
you got through it. You got through it. What's your biggest concern through those years was being too low, right? You didn't want to be low?

Mallory Hart 55:27
Yeah. I didn't want to feel bad. I didn't want to be low. What was obviously if I correct if I tested I saw my blood sugar was high, I assumed I would have done something about it.

Scott Benner 55:43
So it's so interesting to talk to people who've had diabetes for like, decades, because especially those of you who've, like, I guess, gone to a different management's thought, like you can even imagine you see, like the way you handle yourself now in these couple of years. It's not in any way reminiscent of how you live prior, right?

Mallory Hart 56:04
Yeah, yeah, I do. Do better now.

Scott Benner 56:09
Better. That's how you think of it is better? not different.

Mallory Hart 56:12
I, it's weird to think back on how I didn't care. Like I think there were definitely days in a row, I would go without testing my blood sugar, but I was fine. I don't know how well you felt like am I miss remembering that? Like, did I actually test my blood sugar like six times a day? And the answer is definitely not like I was doing one to two times a day, maybe three at most, right. But by fine, you know, I would I would estimate the carbs and take the insulin and it would be worked out.

Scott Benner 56:43
See that's I'm this has got nothing to do with you. Specifically Mallory. Like I talked to so many people who are in your situation, meaning how long they've had diabetes? Like I that that answer that you just gave like that remembrance is consistent through adults? Like I did find? Yeah, it was fine. Then I'll say what was your one thing? They'll be like, I don't know, nine or 10. But I but they don't see that as competing?

Mallory Hart 57:09
Yeah. Now when I look back, I'm like, Oh, bad. That was very bad. Like, why I'm so mad at myself. How did I do that? But like, there's nothing I can do about it now?

Scott Benner 57:17
No. Oh, no, you shouldn't you shouldn't worry. We shouldn't worry for a second about it. It's just I find the maybe it's the wording. But everybody picks the same words. I did bad. I was fine. I felt okay. Like, it's it's very interesting that everyone uses the same kind of phrasings. And yet they know even when they're saying it, like you're saying it now from our perspective and 2021. Like, you know, that, like that wasn't what you would have hoped for had you known. And yet you do describe it as fine. And so to so many other people, I guess what that shows is the that that was the level of understanding at that point, you were doing what you were told to do, right?

Mallory Hart 58:01
Yeah. And I think they would try to, they realized, like, you know, they'd given their meter and they take, well, we need more data, you need to test more. Okay, then I wouldn't, they would tell me again, in three months, like, look, there's nothing I could do with this amount of data, maybe increase your Basal rates, but like, test more, I look at this next time,

Scott Benner 58:18
and you didn't test because you didn't want to see the number because you didn't want to be bothered. Just

Mallory Hart 58:22
yeah, I think I didn't want to be bothered. I didn't know really any other type ones as well. You know, there'd be like a couple at the school. You know, they'd like at the beginning of the year, they called to meet the nurse's office together, but I didn't know them.

Scott Benner 58:36
Does it feel like it was maybe if I,

Mallory Hart 58:39
maybe if I was closer with them, it would have been different. I never I never wanted to go to diabetes camp either. Like that was like my mom couldn't have paid me to do that. I had no interest.

Scott Benner 58:49
You wouldn't have seen the value in that community at that age. But you see it now.

Mallory Hart 58:54
Yes. Yeah. Has actually give my mom a hard time. Like, why didn't you make me go? And she's like, like, Haha, you would not have gotten it?

Scott Benner 59:01
Yeah, you would have just argued about it. Yeah. Um, I had a question and then I talked over top unit made me feel bad. My last my question. I find it It's in here somewhere. Might not be, um, school. Goddamnit Oh, I'm upset. I was excited to ask a question. All I remember is that I wanted to ask the question, not what it was. And I don't want to walk back through it to find it. But I do. Damn it. You're in school. Friends, friends. That new dash. I lost it. This is this is my age catching up with me right here. I've lost. Oh, it threw me for it. I'm like spinning out of control. Mowery. You say something? I

Mallory Hart 59:51
wish I could help you. I wish I could help you. I don't know what you were going for. No,

Scott Benner 59:54
I know. There'd be no way for you to know. Because I talked about naughty by nature. The biggest See, you can't imagine anything that I might say. You're right.

Mallory Hart 1:00:05
I didn't say anything.

Scott Benner 1:00:08
I love you. I know it's early. We've only known each other for 55 minutes, but I really enjoy your talking to you. Thanks. Thanks. You're welcome. Thanks. I feel like you're tolerating me.

Mallory Hart 1:00:18
No, no, I like you this reason I listened to most of your podcast episodes. Not all of them, but I listened to most of them.

Scott Benner 1:00:24
Yeah. What kind? Are you not interested in?

Mallory Hart 1:00:27
Um, honestly, it just comes down to my life. If I'm not listening to a podcast that week, and then I've built up you know, the last 10. I haven't listened to I'll just pick and choose the ones. And that makes sense. move on from there,

Scott Benner 1:00:39
does it not? Is it is it unhelpful, that I don't tell you what they're about?

Mallory Hart 1:00:44
No, no. So I guess sometimes I'll find myself like, I'll do the like, the pro tips or something. Because they're shorter. It's less, you know, less commitment. I yeah,

Scott Benner 1:00:54
I am fascinated by I've come to understand that there's a whole aspect of how people listen that I have no control over. But in the beginning, it's, it's funny. In the beginning, it feels like you could do the exact thing that would get people to listen to me. And I was just like, that's not how this works. And, you know, I've figured that out years ago, but like, there's a little kid inside of me who's like, you don't listen to every one of them I work really hard on. But it would, I wonder if you had a showing if you put your art up in a space, and I very carefully looked at a few of them, and then whipped past five or six feet of things hanging on the wall and then slowed down again, if you wouldn't be like, Yo, what's wrong with those?

Mallory Hart 1:01:39
I think it's what what you like and what catches your eye?

Scott Benner 1:01:42
Yeah. No, I see.

Mallory Hart 1:01:45
I never went back and listen from the beginning, which it seems like a lot of people do. You know, when I found the podcast, and I listened to one, I did listen back to a few of them, but that I just kind of started listening to the recent ones.

Scott Benner 1:01:55
Yeah, I think there's a couple of different ways that people listen, they're the ones

Mallory Hart 1:01:59
but at the same time, I also felt like I had a pretty good handle on my diabetes. I didn't need to go back and listen to the basics in a way.

Scott Benner 1:02:06
No, I hear that. And yeah, there. I mean, there's obviously there's a lot of management stuff that if you know it, you know it. You don't need to hear it again. Doesn't mean I can't download it. Mallory understand what I'm saying? Just down, okay. I'm saying help out the cause a little bit. You know, I mean,

Mallory Hart 1:02:24
all my devices down there my husband's phone. I gotcha.

Scott Benner 1:02:27
Like, if I came to your show, I'd walk around and I would gladly sell I love this. I think I'm gonna buy this. But while other people were watching, I'd be out there shilling for you. You know what I mean? Yeah, yeah. Yeah, seriously? Kidding. I would help out. No, I appreciate that. I think there's some people who listen, some people are completionist. Like, they'll start at the beginning. And they'll go to the end no matter what they're compelled to do it in a way that, like, I don't understand. I think some people just want the management stuff. I think some people want the management stuff so badly because they need it, because they're in trouble. But they want to listen as well. Those people are I love those people the most, I guess, because they go back to the beginning and listen, but then jump through the management stuff at the same time. It's almost like they're listening to two different podcasts within the same feed. But anyway, I appreciate everybody that listens, honestly.

Mallory Hart 1:03:17
Yeah. And I've recommended it to people, you know, if I need it, if I need a type one in the wild, I recommend it.

Scott Benner 1:03:23
Do you have any type one friends now?

Mallory Hart 1:03:27
No. Still I have a professor from college who I talked to and he's type one. I think if you went through my Facebook friends, that'd be the only one

Scott Benner 1:03:38
okay? You meet them or you're not I just don't know

Mallory Hart 1:03:42
them. Like they don't they don't make their way into my life.

Scott Benner 1:03:46
You're not avoiding people type one diabetes. No,

Mallory Hart 1:03:48
no, you know what I'm selling it show sometimes someone will come by and they'll have an insulin pump on their pocket or a pot on their arm. But I'll say something. And sometimes they're really open to it. And sometimes they like wish I hadn't brought that up. But

Scott Benner 1:04:00
it's hard to tell, isn't it? I saw a woman Yeah, you know, but I think

Mallory Hart 1:04:03
that when I was younger, if I saw somebody who looked like me, I think I would have wanted that.

Scott Benner 1:04:13
Yeah, my I can see that. I can see that perspective. I wonder if the people

Mallory Hart 1:04:18
who don't see here once a year, so I'll do a post on my Instagram of something I'll paint something diabetes seem to do a big post about it. But that's about as much as I try to cross over those things.

Scott Benner 1:04:31
Are you Mallory, heart art on Instagram? I am that smart branding. keep everything the same.

Mallory Hart 1:04:39
Some of their Malory heart to call the straight up Mallory heart tags, handles so I had to had to take the Mallory heart art one

Scott Benner 1:04:46
she ever go after.

Mallory Hart 1:04:49
The person who has the Gmail account occasionally forwards me things like I think this might have been meant for you. Oh, isn't that nice? Well, it's usually like a very generic arts. Bam, email that goes around. Oh, buy something for my wife in the category of $50 to $5,000. Please send me available works.

Scott Benner 1:05:09
I like it when people contact me and they're like we I might get my client would be perfect for your podcast and then I look and I think, no they wouldn't and you don't think they would? Stop? Yeah, well your Instagram is great. Thank you at Mallory heart art. should check that out me. Listen, very love. It's really something. Thank you, of course. Is it? Is it nice to hear? Or is it uncomfortable to hear?

Mallory Hart 1:05:36
I like it. I like some positive feedback.

Scott Benner 1:05:39
It's nice to hear I got better at it over the years.

Mallory Hart 1:05:42
I think that's one of the reasons I like to sell my art shows because you get people coming up to you telling you how nice everything looks. And you don't get that when you're working at home in your studio.

Scott Benner 1:05:50
Nobody. Your cat doesn't let you know that really does look like me. Thank you. Do you paint your own? Look at you have you have you did a really a nice piece of benders head. That's why nice.

Mallory Hart 1:06:07
I did that for my husband. Drama fan. Yeah, you should do

Scott Benner 1:06:10
if you did something for Coraline, my wife would force me to get it for her. Right away.

Mallory Hart 1:06:16
I talked to I try not to do too much fan art copies. I do. I do some

Scott Benner 1:06:22
for somebody personal like

Mallory Hart 1:06:24
a friend. Yeah. Like most of what I paint, I paint when I want I sell prints of it, they will realize what sells well and try to cater to that as well. I

Scott Benner 1:06:35
guess when you're doing it for for a living, you do end up having to go where people's interests are right. Do you ever find yourself having an idea and going I can't do that it won't. It won't sell?

Mallory Hart 1:06:49
Yeah, sometimes I'll do it anyways. Or I'll do something small. Sometimes I work small. And then if people like it, I'll do something bigger. It's I can do prints of and sell it and mark it off it but

Scott Benner 1:06:58
Gotcha. That's amazing. That's very cool. The internet like this wouldn't be possible without the internet, right?

Mallory Hart 1:07:04
Yeah. Yeah. The people say that the new Instagram and the internet's like the new gallery. You know, well, gallery shows are still a thing. You can you can show anything you want now online.

Scott Benner 1:07:15
Yeah, it's so easy to just admit when you're talentless, and you're a talented person. If you weren't talented, it wouldn't be that easy. You have like a massive following on Instagram

Mallory Hart 1:07:24
to get in there. Yeah, I built up most of it over the pandemic, the pandemic was really good for getting people on Instagram and just looking at their phones.

Scott Benner 1:07:35
Yeah, yeah, right. I hadn't thought about that. The podcast. Just it constantly grows. Yes, me. So I didn't see anything different during pandemic than I did it other places. It's just this kind of constant growth, which is really kind of its people sharing the show. So it's really Yeah, everybody. Yeah, that's really something or you're really cool. I appreciate you doing this. What made you want to come on the podcast?

Mallory Hart 1:07:59
I think I've listened to for so long. And I feel like I can do that. I want to do that. And then finally, you know, I think he posted a couple times. So you were like, I'm opening up for, you know, interviews, and I said, Okay, I'm gonna do it. I'm glad you did. And I agreed to that, like six months ago, and I still came.

Scott Benner 1:08:15
It didn't feel like a long time.

Mallory Hart 1:08:18
It felt like a lot. Like back then, like, May May. What am I gonna be doing in May? But

Scott Benner 1:08:23
wait till it comes out in November. I know. You'll be like, took me a year to get a stupid podcast. I know if you feel like at the beginning when you said like when you asked what happens the episodes that suck. Like, do you? Do you feel good about that? So

Mallory Hart 1:08:40
is this gonna be your first one that you're gonna like, file away in the trash folder?

Scott Benner 1:08:43
So you have no idea? You can't tell? Right? How this one.

Mallory Hart 1:08:48
I can't. I'm also not gonna listen to my own episode. That's that's the other thing. We better download it anyway. Oh, download it.

Scott Benner 1:08:54
I think your mom will hear it.

Mallory Hart 1:08:57
No, she doesn't listen to the podcast.

Scott Benner 1:08:59
But if she have you been on other podcasts, this is like not a big deal for

Mallory Hart 1:09:04
I haven't. I haven't. I've wanted to do some for my art and I just haven't.

Scott Benner 1:09:08
How would an Art Podcast go?

Mallory Hart 1:09:11
There's a lot of them. Whether your art. Yeah.

Scott Benner 1:09:14
Okay. Do you like wind chimes behind you or something?

Mallory Hart 1:09:20
No, I have a space heater going might be that.

Scott Benner 1:09:24
Oh, yeah. It was like it sounds like I'm like wooden chimes touching each other client.

Mallory Hart 1:09:30
Know when wind chimes outside, but I'm in the basement. So I hope it's not that

Scott Benner 1:09:35
you work in the basement or closed.

Mallory Hart 1:09:36
Yeah.

Scott Benner 1:09:38
I wish I had I work upstairs. I wish I had more of us like a space that was a little more private, I guess.

Mallory Hart 1:09:48
Yeah, I got it. I got a good space. I'm very happy with it.

Scott Benner 1:09:51
Love it. What is your you said your husband works in the same industry. Right. But is he an artist? Yeah.

Mallory Hart 1:09:55
Now he's a carpenter and a rigger. So he builds stuff.

Scott Benner 1:10:00
That's so cool that you guys met in high school, but you actually like as adults got to do the thing you wanted to do.

Mallory Hart 1:10:07
Yeah. Yeah, we both we did it in high school. And then out of high school, I was teaching theater to the high school, I was basically like a coach in the theater, I would teach the kids how to build the things and help them design their sets and all that. And then I kind of stopped doing that, just because it was really hard to compete with that and like, working in a real theater in the real world. But he went to school for it. But he got a full time job before he graduated. So he stopped school. It's impressive, full time job in it. Yeah.

Scott Benner 1:10:38
Seriously, that's really impressive. I just got a job a couple years ago, for the first time that was really anything reasonable. That wasn't just like me, like trying to make money. You know what I mean? Like, just, uh, you don't I mean, we just do a job because you have to do it. Like, that was? Yeah, most of my life.

Mallory Hart 1:10:54
Yeah. I mean, I generally like what I do, there are times when it's like, this day, we're gonna end You know, when you're making sets, and you're on a really monotonous project, and you're just spending two weeks carving bricks. That doesn't sound like the first day,

Scott Benner 1:11:12
we're making bricks. Hey, guys, remember, we started making these bricks?

Mallory Hart 1:11:16
Yeah, two weeks ago?

Scott Benner 1:11:18
Is is the actual creating the painting? Is it always, like heart driven? Or do you ever have to sit down and do it for money? And is it harder that way?

Mallory Hart 1:11:30
Yeah, I do. You probably saw I do like pet portraits and stuff like that. I think some sometimes as like, Okay, I got three dogs, I got a knock all these out this week? Well, this one's the cutest we'll start with this one. But some of those, some of those are just like, I just gotta get this done. But for the most part, but your

Scott Benner 1:11:49
effort doesn't change. It's just kind of how it feels in your head. Yeah,

Mallory Hart 1:11:53
yeah. You know, and then there's also like, you know, there's website work and there's, you know, marketing work. And they always say, for art that like 50% of the time, you're going to be creating the work and the other 50% of the time, you're going to be marketing the work and doing other things.

Scott Benner 1:12:06
I have to I put more effort into the parts of this podcast that nobody sees, then I'm sure than the owner of the audio that you hear. It's it, I was approached by somebody, fairly recently. And they're like, I'm gonna start a podcast. And I was like, you can if you want, but better be ready to start. Yeah, you better be ready to put a lot of effort into it. I think that's why so many of them start and stop so quickly. Just because it's just it's so much more than you see on the surface. I think YouTube channels end up being the same for people like I'm in a YouTube channel too. And then that's it. You know,

Mallory Hart 1:12:44
I've put some of my stuff on YouTube, just so it can be seen through my Patreon. And it's a pain. A lot of work. It's so hard. It's so much easier to make a tic tock video or Instagram TV video than it is to make a YouTube video.

Scott Benner 1:12:57
Yeah. And okay. It's a it's a massive amount of effort. Yeah. So anyway, I think it's amazing. You make a living at it that you're going like this long, and it's really fantastic.

Mallory Hart 1:13:07
Yeah, yeah. I like to think I'm going in the right direction.

Scott Benner 1:13:12
But seems like you're to me. Is there anything that we didn't talk about that you wished we would have?

Mallory Hart 1:13:19
I will say when I'm driving to my shows, what I discovered is that my blood sugar always goes up during them. And my new secret is I pull over on the side of the highway in the middle of nowhere, and I do 50 squats and then I get back in my car and keep driving. The most efficient tool I've figured out

Scott Benner 1:13:35
if you see a woman doing squats on the side of the road in Colorado,

Mallory Hart 1:13:41
anywhere, anywhere, I drove all over the country.

Scott Benner 1:13:43
Mallory's blood sugar somewhere over probably 140. Jen, she doesn't want to Bolus but she realized it's because you've been waiting in the car for

Mallory Hart 1:13:52
Bolus and the insulin just sits there and my blood sugar just keeps going up and I have to have to move somehow to make the insulin work. It'll just sit there and not do anything. And that's what I've figured

Scott Benner 1:14:02
out. So for sedentary because you're sedentary in the car for so long. Yeah.

Mallory Hart 1:14:06
Interest. There's no amount of car moving that I can do with in the car. You don't driving or as a passenger.

Scott Benner 1:14:13
You can't just like out of the car and like pedal your left leg.

Mallory Hart 1:14:16
I've tried. I've tried. I've tried all these ridiculous things and

Scott Benner 1:14:20
have you really? Yeah, like arm calisthenics, stuff like that. Not enough to get the insulin moving? No, get out some nice deep knee bends.

Mallory Hart 1:14:29
Yep, it works. It works. That's brilliant.

Scott Benner 1:14:33
Have you ever? Like if you ever watched somebody see you and thought, I wonder what that person's thinking right? Yeah.

Mallory Hart 1:14:40
Probably. Yeah. Yeah, probably. Do you know, good last year before the pandemic, um, I had I had the T slim pump and I had the Omnipod as well, but neither one of them I had the algorithm on okay, you know, so I'd be if I'm, if I'm driving, I tend to do my husband and sometimes he could figure it out. But so I was doing it in the other hand while I'm driving. But I did I switched over during the pandemic to the control IQ. And it helps a lot, but it's still my body just sometimes needs to move to make the insulin. Remember to work

Scott Benner 1:15:17
100% Yeah, yeah, Arden decided to start exercising again more frequently. About two weeks ago and three days into her. I'm going to be exercising more frequently lifestyle, I had to change her Basal rates and make them weaker. And I had to turn her insulin sensitivity make her insulin sensitivity weaker as well, just because she's exercising for 45 minutes a day. Yeah, yeah. I Yeah, that's what that's a great tip. See, look at you. Yeah,

Mallory Hart 1:15:47
no choice. Do you got to go do roadside squats? We'll make it normal. It won't be weird.

Scott Benner 1:15:52
Wow. And I think right at the end, you pulled out a title for this episode. Definitely think it's gonna be called roadside squats. I liked dead squiggles better. I know. Well, whatever you want. You want it to be roadside squats and dents, whatever you want. Whatever. It's up to you. Thank you so much. I like it when people are just like this. Just Hey, go with go with your Go with your gut feeling. I'm gonna do that. But I'll edit it. And when I hear back, I'll be like, alright, I'll know for sure. Okay. Well, first of all, let me thank Mallory for coming on the show. I thought she was absolutely terrific. Again, Mallory Hart art on Instagram. And thank you again, to Dexcom makers to the Dexcom G six continuous glucose monitor for sponsoring the show. I really appreciate it dexcom.com forward slash juicebox. Seriously, check it out. It's absolutely terrific. Another thing is terrific is the Omni pod. You'll find out more at Omni pod.com forward slash juicebox. Don't forget about the Omni pod promise and that you might be eligible for a free 30 day supply of the Omni pod dash on the pod.com forward slash juice box links in the show notes. Links at Juicebox Podcast COMM When you support the sponsors, you're supporting the show. Thank you so much for listening. I'll be back very soon with another episode of The Juicebox Podcast

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