#290 Theoretical Ninja
Honeymooning with Walter's Mom .…
Veronica is on the show to discuss her son Walter's type 1 diabetes diagnosis and his prolonged honeymoon. Plus, bears, Canada, The Band, Elton John and more!
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Scott Benner 0:00
Hello everyone and welcome to Episode 290 of the Juicebox Podcast. Today's show is sponsored by Omni pod Dexcom and dancing for diabetes. And I've entitled it theoretical Ninja, I want you to keep in mind that I could have called this episode. Where's Walter? hunting honeymoon on the ski slopes Canadian Grizzly leave on once the go to Venus. There were just too many options. But in the end, this episode is with a mother of a child who's been diagnosed for a year who is still heavily in the honeymoon period. Remind yourself as you're listening, this episode is probably really called one long Canadian honeymoon on the ski slopes. But I loved the idea of theoretical ninja while I was listening. Remember this as well. This episode of The Juicebox Podcast is sponsored by Omni pod and that you can get a free, no obligation demo of the Omni pod by going to my Omni pod.com forward slash juice box or clicking on the links in your show notes. Or Juicebox podcast.com. Remember to that the episode is sponsored by Dexcom and go to dexcom.com forward slash juice box to get your G six continuous glucose monitor right away today. There's probably enough time to get it for you. My New Year, Christmas. I don't know get started as fast as you can. After all that's done. And you've listened to the goodness that is the Juicebox Podcast. Roll back around to dancing the number four diabetes.com check out what they're doing. That's dancing the number four diabetes.com isn't a bad time. We could reschedule if you need to.
Unknown Speaker 1:42
Pardon me, you need to
Scott Benner 1:44
reschedule or am I just a minute early for you?
Veronica 1:47
No, no, I'm gonna I'm just walking. I work at a ski area. So I'm walking over to the main lodge where it's a bit quieter. Oh cool.
Scott Benner 1:55
Why don't you go? Do you wanna? I can give you a couple minutes and you got to get a headset on and everything. I'll call you back.
Veronica 2:01
Yeah, that would be great. Actually, you want to give me maybe 15 minutes and I'll go get my I just have earphones? Is that gonna work on my iPhone?
Scott Benner 2:08
Are they wired with a mic in the wire? Yeah, yeah, it should be good. Okay.
Unknown Speaker 2:15
Tell me how long it's like
Unknown Speaker 2:18
15 minutes. 15. Okay, I'll be back.
Scott Benner 2:30
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Veronica 3:22
just because I listen to you on the way to work every morning. So I'm like Oh no.
Unknown Speaker 3:26
You're like a little a celebrity.
Scott Benner 3:29
That happens around here a lot. And so it gives my wife a lot of opportunity to laugh at me.
Unknown Speaker 3:36
That's great. How are you?
Scott Benner 3:37
I'm good. Thanks. How are you?
Veronica 3:40
I'm good. Good. I wasn't sure. Yeah, I can hear you. Can you hear me?
Scott Benner 3:44
Yeah, you're crystal clear.
Veronica 3:46
My name is Veronica Whitney Crosland. And I live in canmore, Alberta, Canada. And I am a mother of Walter Crowson, who has type one diabetes.
Scott Benner 4:00
Nice. Are you a native you born in Canada?
Veronica 4:04
Yes, I'm born in Canada.
Unknown Speaker 4:07
Okay, so Walter and I don't live in an igloo. You don't it? Why not?
Veronica 4:14
Although it was minus 30 here above three weeks ago, so it felt like I was living in English.
Scott Benner 4:18
Yeah. So so you can try to make fun of me if you want. But you know, minus 30 is not where people live. Just so you know.
Unknown Speaker 4:26
That's not a real pleasure.
Veronica 4:28
It's much warmer now. Like there was only minus five coming to work this morning. And we'll probably be plus five this afternoon.
Scott Benner 4:37
You really should move you could get a whole different perspective on what life is like. The other day, I was outside it was 50 degrees. But there was a breeze and around here that's very cold. So So everyone's outside, my fingers are cold. I can't get warm. What are we gonna do and I'm like, I know this is a disaster. But you know big jackets, I'm assuming at 50 degrees. With a breeze you might be in shorts by that.
Veronica 5:02
Oh yeah, we were use shirts off and in shorts. The kids had shirts off and in shorts at the cabin this weekend canoeing in about two and a half three meters of water that was like the lake was frozen. But there was an old the shores open about three meters and they all had their, you know, shirts off me or canoeing around
Scott Benner 5:22
in my life and many people listening, you're certifiably insane. It could be locked. But, but I understand different situation. A couple more questions. Have you ever run from a bear? Yes. All right. Well, tell me about that before we get started.
Veronica 5:41
A mother grizzly bear with her cubs actually.
Unknown Speaker 5:45
So
Unknown Speaker 5:46
do you? Do you take stock in the the old joke, you don't have to be faster than the bear just one of your friends. It's so true. I was with a cup. I was with a couple other people. And I was Yeah, they I would have gotten I would push them in front of me.
Veronica 6:03
No, I wouldn't know I work at a ski area at a ski resort. So in Lake Louise, Alberta, which is in the Rocky Mountains. And we have a we've got a big percentage of grizzly bears that come and graze on the ski hill in the summertime because it's just prime habitat. And so we have a resident female that comes back every year with her cubs, typically every year. She didn't come back last year, but she was here the year before. And we are hoping she comes back again this year. But she's really curious. So if you're not within the bear fence, which is to keep people in its electrified bear fence, if we're working outside the bear fence, you've got to be really careful. And we did come across her one day where she didn't chase us. But she she was following us. And so out of curiosity, so we had to get a vehicle to come up and actually drive on to the hill and come and pick us up.
Scott Benner 6:55
Yeah, everything you just said is absolutely insane. I instead of being thrown under the bus, you can throw your friends under a bear. And if you imagine that moment, you just turn back you're like Billy, I'm so sorry. just shove him over. Anyway, bear attacks are probably really horrible and something we don't want to talk about.
Unknown Speaker 7:17
And they're pretty rare. Yeah, of course they are.
Scott Benner 7:20
It's you know, it's sort of like, you know, shark attacks, right? Like they don't they happen once and everybody's like, see sharks evil.
Unknown Speaker 7:28
Yeah,
Scott Benner 7:29
I hear you. It's just it's the the outcome of the bear attack that makes it horrible. It's not like the bear gets bored in the middle of, you know, hobbling you and it's like, right, you don't look like your risk anymore. I can walk
Unknown Speaker 7:40
away now. No, that doesn't have
Unknown Speaker 7:45
a finish you off.
Scott Benner 7:46
Yeah, there we go. Everything is just this is so different. I like this so much. I you know what? I'm wondering how many people in America heard you say that you were in Canada and in the Rocky Mountains and thought no, the Rocky Mountains are in America. That doesn't.
Veronica 8:01
I mean, better Banff National Park.
Scott Benner 8:03
No kidding. That's so cool. How long have you worked at them in like that kind of work?
Veronica 8:08
I've actually worked here for about two years. We moved from Calgary, which is the city to the east of us. It's a large city. I was doing environmental consulting there for about nine years. And then this job came up about two years ago to work for the ski area doing their environmental work.
Scott Benner 8:27
I know the Olympics were in Calgary in my lifetime. So yes, that's my Can you believe that's my entire understanding of Calgary and plus the flames that's all I know.
Veronica 8:37
And oh, you know this Well, I'm pretty impressed. You know, the flames. Come on. Yeah, that's good. That's good.
Scott Benner 8:45
So okay, so let's let's figure this out. You are married, I assume?
Veronica 8:50
Yes, I'm married. And I have two kids. I've got Walter who's sick. And leave on who's for after my husband's name is Ford.
Scott Benner 8:59
What's your husband's name? Ward? w AR D Okay, so we've got word like Ward cleaver from Leave it to Beaver that I have. Yeah, sir. Makes me think of Walter O'Reilly from mash. Now leave leave on from the song from the elton john song.
Veronica 9:12
Well, we didn't know there was actually a mountain song that was livan it was from so the band and the drummer of the band is named leave on helm.
Unknown Speaker 9:24
I know that yes. I know a lot of my husband
Veronica 9:26
really like the band. I didn't even really know about them. And so but then after we named leave on words, parents and everybody was like, Oh, the elton john song and you know,
Scott Benner 9:40
whatever. My favorite elton john song. It's absolutely my favorite elton john song anyway. livan it is Yeah, it really is.
Veronica 9:48
Oh, yeah, it's pretty. I mean, when you listen to the words we were, you know, it's quite religious but it Yeah, it's a great song. So either elton john song or leave on hell. Let me
Scott Benner 10:00
tell you something, the joy of being me is that I don't know the words to any of the songs that I listened to. were driving somewhere the other day, and my wife and I were kind of like singing along with the radio and the song stop. And I was like, I love that song. And she goes, You don't know one of the words, not one. She's like, you just mumble through it. I'm like, I know. But isn't it great? She's like, how can you not know what sort of classic rock song? It's been around our whole life? And I don't know, my brain does not retain stuff like that. So I don't know what levens about. It's just my favorite.
Unknown Speaker 10:32
Isn't it? Yeah, it's I liked it, too.
Scott Benner 10:35
So okay, so alright, so Walter is born six years ago. When is he diagnosed with type one?
Veronica 10:41
He was diagnosed in February 2018. February 13. So just over a year ago,
Scott Benner 10:47
wow. Okay, so you're, you're you're just right up on a year now. Wow. What can I ask? When you give a slightly different health system? was a pump made? Like Did someone say here's an insulin pump? Or do they say here's a pen? or How did they start with insulin with you? Dancing for diabetes has been spreading awareness about Type One Diabetes through the art of dance since 2000. They create and participate in a variety of events, and initiatives to educate the community about the realities of living with type one. They also raise funds to assist in finding a cure. Those of you living with the daily reality of type one diabetes, they also offer a supportive community and many interactive programs. They're just such a creative resource designed to empower the people living with Type One Diabetes to live healthy, active lifestyles, check them out, dancing, the number four diabetes.com.
Veronica 11:45
They said, Here are the pen in the hospital. So we got diagnosed, we went in and they said, Here are the pens. I didn't know anything about Type One Diabetes at all. And so yeah, they just said, Here are the pens. I didn't know there were pumps. I didn't know there was anything such as the Dexcom. So we started with pumps in the hospital and finger pokes. Wow.
Scott Benner 12:13
And and how long are you still doing that that way now?
Veronica 12:17
No, no. And so I started listening to a podcast and I can't I can't remember what it was. It doesn't
Scott Benner 12:25
matter. This is really only podcasts. I don't. Exactly
Veronica 12:28
well, and he meant so I listened to him. He was an Australian man. And he had about 10 podcasts and he recommended your podcast.
Scott Benner 12:40
Oh, well then in that case, his podcast is fantastic. Then I didn't see what I was doing there. But now I misunderstood best podcast Australia.
Veronica 12:50
And so then I went straight to your podcast and this was within a couple of like within about a month or two beendet but being diagnosed and started listening to your podcast right away and then within a couple of months ordered the Dexcom Okay.
Scott Benner 13:05
Oh, that's great. So you got going right away? I have to give our nothing here on Temp Basal. Okay, increase Temp Basal increase.
Veronica 13:17
I'm going to try to find his podcast because I do want to Kathleen, I can't. Yeah, where's my library? Here we go.
Scott Benner 13:27
Arden would love it if I told you all that. I think our periods coming in a week so her blood sugar is giving
Unknown Speaker 13:35
her lady time which everybody gave you trouble that much trouble? Honestly, I didn't deserve it. When you when you say that I would laugh so
Unknown Speaker 13:46
tada Matic pod
Scott Benner 13:47
automatic
Unknown Speaker 13:48
pod o Matic guys, a diabetic
Scott Benner 13:51
diabetes podcast.
Veronica 13:53
Yeah, his name is Guy. Anyway, podomatic. He doesn't do them anymore. It looks like you know, the end of 2016 or something but podomatic. Anyway, he recommended listening. Well,
Scott Benner 14:03
since his podcast is not available any longer than I would recommend. That guy knows what he's talking about. I just don't want to lose that. I don't want to lose downloads. It's just such a
Unknown Speaker 14:14
no. is terminated.
Scott Benner 14:18
So we can talk about his because it doesn't exist anymore.
Veronica 14:20
I think I think I mean, I can't find anymore, but for
Scott Benner 14:23
all of you listening, I would prefer it if this was your only diabetes pod. That's all I'm saying. Anyway, okay, so that's so it's amazing. So you find a podcast that leads you to another podcast that teaches you about a glucose monitor.
Unknown Speaker 14:37
Yeah, that's crazy. Yeah. Yeah, it's crazy. Because like, what, what's the glucose monitor? Exactly.
Scott Benner 14:43
And so a year ago, what was that in Canada, your G five still right.
Veronica 14:48
Ah, we're still g five. Yeah. And we're still cheap g five today, even though it's been approved through the FDA. We're still waiting for them to get the product
Scott Benner 14:59
out. takes a while.
Unknown Speaker 15:01
Yeah. Okay,
Scott Benner 15:02
so you'll make the switch to G sex when you can.
Veronica 15:04
Right away as soon as we can. There you go. And it's been, it's been amazing.
Scott Benner 15:11
Tell me a little, it'll tell me a little bit more. How long did you have without a glucose monitor? Before you had one?
Veronica 15:17
Um, I don't know exactly. But probably. So February, March, maybe four months. Okay.
Scott Benner 15:25
And what's
Veronica 15:26
it looks like? It looks like we went on in June, maybe I've kept I've kept note. So I'm thinking we went on to it in June
Scott Benner 15:32
who kept notes that's the light for you don't need the notes. Throw them away. This thing moves too fast for notes. So So what do you notice the biggest shift between having one and not having one? Where do you Where do you think the benefit really lies?
Veronica 15:47
Oh, just in being able to continuously watch him at school. And at home. And at night. I mean, just having that real time data for me is so key. I mean, when we take the Dexcom off, sometimes if we haven't ordered it in time, we have a day lag or something before it arrives. And it's it's a little bit nerve wracking to just not know what's happening with him at school. Some of the teeth The teachers are doing finger pokes, but it's still not real time.
Scott Benner 16:19
Yeah, so your your biggest concern right now still is it's more like safety and security. The idea of like you want to know before he falls the first budget or start shopping.
Veronica 16:30
Yes. And part of that is because we he's only on 1.5 units of web Vermeer a day.
Scott Benner 16:38
Oh, no kidding. So how much does he weigh? That we can I guess? 60
Veronica 16:42
Yeah, if I take him to the doctor every three months like he weighs like a normal six year old. I think he weighs over 50 pounds. 50 sit like almost 60 pounds. Yeah. Yeah, that's crazy. Well, yes. And we were when we were diagnosed, he was on a cumulation. And he logs so long lasting In fact, fast acting, he started at like nine units of human and like 3.5 or something if he log in then. So over, over a course of five months, we went down and down and down and down and down to two by the time in July. I think we're at one unit of leavener
Scott Benner 17:21
he saw his needs have really dropped.
Unknown Speaker 17:24
He still
Veronica 17:26
imagine he they think he's still honeymooning, but it's but it's been over a year now. And so it's a bit of a third there that happens at the Children's Hospital. They say it does happen. It's just they don't see it very often. honeymooning as long.
Scott Benner 17:41
Yeah, I've been watching a little girl some blood sugar on my Dexcom for a while helping her mom. And she's honeymooning and doesn't have doesn't even use a background insulin. And when she's not eating her blood sugar's perfect. And then, then,
Unknown Speaker 17:58
on the weekend, yeah,
Scott Benner 17:59
the minute she eats, it shoots up. And they're actually good. They're getting a pump today, actually, wow, today. And they're going to get on the pod today. And she's going to just do like, the tiniest bazel rates are basals off and then back on a little bit. To try to micro dosing just really turn it down all the way and use it just for bolusing. And then I think what I think the plan might be, we're gonna kind of do this together. But I think the plan might be that prior to a meal, she gonna put the basal insulin on, so that she's got bazel and bolus through kind of the life of the meal. And then once the meal is over the bazel go away until the honeymoon ends, but it's very unpredictable. And it makes using the insulin difficult and scarier, you know?
Veronica 18:43
Yeah. Well, so I've applied through the hospital. For the Omni pod, I did get an omni pod trial, which was great. We got the little pump we got ordered. So in Canada, we, if we go through the hospital, and just go through the hoops, then the government pays for the Omni pod. So we'll get it in May. And that's what I'd like to do. I'd like to get them on the pump so that we can do those tiny little I mean, I think it would be 0.5 units that would drip throughout the day. And then if he did have a high carb meal we could put in the
Unknown Speaker 19:23
fast acting.
Scott Benner 19:24
Oh, no, there's a way to use a pump effectively through Yeah, honeymoon period.
Veronica 19:28
I contacted I contacted Jenny Smith
consulting company in the States. Oh, no kidding. Yeah. And so I think I'll, I'd like to work with her when we get the pump or you know, you're, you're free.
Scott Benner 19:44
Just email me questions and tell me to answer them on the podcast and it'll be very similar situation. yet. Yeah, Jenny. Jenny's been helping me with the diabetes pro tip series, and she's really terrific. So you couldn't go wrong. She said integrated diabetes services. So it's I think it's Integrated diabetes.com You can find our app. Cool. I would love to know, if you end up doing that and how it works out. That'd be great. Because she's, she's really spectacular.
Veronica 20:09
Yeah, cuz like, I think we'll be able to manage it better. I mean, this weekend, he was a little bit he hasn't been sick for this whole time. And but he got a little bit of a stomach bug on Saturday. So he wasn't eating all morning, Saturday into late Saturday evening. So we actually didn't give him any insulin because he was just sort of riding it out. It's like 4.3. In Canada, not sure what that is in the States, and
Scott Benner 20:34
you figure it out. But it's more fun to make people do it while they're driving. So you guys know, somebody asked me the other day, if I could make a conversion chart that I could download. All right, well, there's one
Veronica 20:45
there online.
Scott Benner 20:46
Yeah, but wouldn't you want one with the podcast? Like, logo? Yeah. Yeah. So
Veronica 20:52
I keep feeling it should print it out and laminate it when I can. I'm listening to your show. When I'm driving, I can just look at it.
Scott Benner 20:58
Wouldn't that be just the end of I mean, you could write it on your note somewhere to when Walter Walter was diagnosed and you know, kind of assuming it came out of the blue. Do you have any other family members who have type one or in hindsight now?
Veronica 21:12
My cousin's son, and she is she's in the UK. He has type one. So that's all that we know of right now. Okay. So my cousin son on my mom's side, so, you know, a bit removed, but, but I do have hypothyroidism. And so that's an autoimmune. So maybe there's a correlation there? I don't know. But in terms of type one, it's just my cousin's son.
Scott Benner 21:36
No, I think that autoimmune diseases definitely run in family lines. And you can see them I've mentioned this here before, but on my wife's side of the family, the females all seem to have a different autoimmune disease. Nope, it doesn't. It doesn't repeat ever with anybody except I guess now for Arden because my wife has hypothyroidism and sodas are now so I guess the Arden got to so she was she's catching up with the other ones. But yeah, but but the mother had a great grandmother, let me think grandmother had, I guess, celiac. And you know, and then some of them have like a an immune thing where they just kind of get sick a lot and like so everybody's got a little touch of something. Arden just got the diabetes.
Veronica 22:20
And celiac I think, I think I had Walter I because I was not convinced that he didn't have diabetes, but just was wondering why this sort of honeymoon stage was going on for so long. I asked the hospital to run more bloodwork. So they and so they ran all those like C peptide and Gad. 65. And I think they did the check for celiac, but they all did come back. positive. So
Scott Benner 22:50
yeah, I listened I had that moment when Yeah, you know, Arden like didn't need insulin for three solid days. And I and I thought, oh, somebody just made a mistake. She doesn't have diabetes. Yeah. It's been a big mistake. And then of course it wasn't. And but but it's easy to feel that way in that moment, especially in the very beginning. Because you don't really don't understand any of it. Then all of a sudden, all this insulin, they told you you needed you don't need any more. And you're like, Oh, yeah, I hear you. How is he? How is baltra dealing with it? Like is he i mean is obviously bare bare breasted in the in the river riding riding a grizzly bear something like that. So I guess he's okay. A little bit. But is it has it been an adjustment for him that he's handled? Well, so far, do you think?
Veronica 23:37
Yeah, I mean, he, he has ups and downs. But overall, he is really, yeah, he's dealing with it really well, and he's got lots of support at the school. And at home. He went from using the numbing cream to now he doesn't use the numbing cream at all. You know, he does go through days where he says, Oh, I hate diabetes, but then other days, he just doesn't talk about it, you know, for days and days. So I do kind of worry sometimes about the psychological, long term effect of it, but I had him assessed at the Children's Hospital and they said there's nothing wrong, he's fine. It's so I mean, overall, he is dealing with it really well.
Scott Benner 24:20
He'll probably be kidnapped by a beaver long before he has any psychological problems from diabetes.
Veronica 24:26
You know, he he gets a lot of Nerf guns and scooters as gifts.
Unknown Speaker 24:34
I spoil him
Unknown Speaker 24:37
keeps him happy.
Unknown Speaker 24:40
so bad. Yeah, listen,
Scott Benner 24:41
I mean, you're in Canada. That kid needs to know how to shoot something I would imagine. Right? I mean, how's he gonna learn something eventually he's gonna try to take him and he's gonna need to be able to defend himself. I'm thinking it's a beaver. But I you know, I just
Unknown Speaker 24:57
I don't really know why likely
Scott Benner 25:00
Just right away no matter what I do, and I think of Canada, I think of this, like, amazing Twitter handle, and I've talked about it here before, but it's called like scan BC. And it runs the most delightful crime. Like, it's like, you know, it's always like, intoxicated man shows up at his ex girlfriend's house with flowers and says he still loves her. And I'm like, and like, that's the crime, you know. And you're like, wait, that's crime. You know? It's really wonderful. I talked about
Unknown Speaker 25:31
this in BC and Canada.
Scott Benner 25:33
Yeah, I believe so. Yeah, I think it's I think it's from the British Columbia, kind of like police force. It's just it's absolutely wonderful. Anyway, so. Hmm. Well, let me think so. So you see, you're doing an MDI and you're doing Dexcom. And so you're a little bit like, you got a little bit of a foot in the old and a little bit of foot in the new you're looking forward to getting a pump? You know, obviously, you're really early on. Yeah, what is? Good? Sorry, go ahead. No, no good. You say?
Veronica 26:02
Well, I was just gonna say and, you know, in credit to you, though, that's why we're on this Dexcom. So early, it wouldn't have been. It's not, they're not telling you at the hospital, anything about this right away. So the more people that listen to your podcast, the sooner they get a hold of this podcast, the better. It's, it's full of so much great information. I mean, my husband, he listens to it a little bit here and there, but he, I have the I have to drive to work, it takes about 40 minutes each way. So I have learned so much from these podcasts. I mean, I didn't, I didn't even know what, you know, phase Bolus bazel all the terms. I didn't I learned that all from this podcast, not from the hospital,
Scott Benner 26:53
and you don't have any trouble hearing it over the motor of the snowmobile at all. Great. That's really cool. I mean, I'm always worried if I have the levels, right. So that's, that's fantastic. Now what does not listen a lot? Why is this? Why is he doing this to me. I know this is the time of the year where you feel like there's just not enough hours in the day to do the other things that you want to do. But allow me to say that this is the perfect time of year to make the next step in your health and wellness. So don't put off going to my on the pod.com forward slash juice box. Because the holidays are here. Because it's winter, where you really just want to wait until I don't know the kids are out of school. Because if you're waiting for the perfect time to make this move, I don't know that a perfect time exists. For someone who's scared, right? You're like, Oh, I'm going to do something different. And it's going to be frightening. But it's not going to be it's going to be amazing. So instead of thinking about, oh, there's this thing I have to do that I don't understand. And then I need to wait for the exact right moment. Try thinking of it differently, flip it on its head, I think the sooner I do this, the sooner I'm going to get to this world that I want to be in. So what am I saying, don't put off till tomorrow, what you can do today. And right now today, all you need to do to get a free, no obligation on the pod sent to your house a demo that you can actually try on and wear. See for yourself, all you have to do is go to my Omni pod.com forward slash juice box, you fill in a tiny bit of information about yourself. And on the pod with great Glee in their heart sends you the demo right to your home. That's not so hard. That's not a commitment to change. That's just taking the steps. You can do it. I promise. Miami pod.com forward slash juicebox. With links in your show notes. Were the ones that you'll find at Juicebox podcast.com.
Veronica 28:57
I think it's time he's a stay at home dad like you right now. He's been a stay at home dad for about three years. And so he'd rather listen to tunes. You know, he's he's listening. He's listening to tunes or listening to the news. And he's really managing Walter all the time. So he's in contact with the school all day back and forth texting because Walter has his iPhone and a little backpack in his on him. And he's, you know, making all the lunches and we're still waiting. We're still looking at carb count. Like we still weigh the carbs out. So really, word is the sole manager and I think that's just he just eats it off. Yeah. And I've and I tell him he's, he understands it. And I tell him a lot, but at some point, I hope he gets into listening to them. It's It's so I've learned so much from this podcast. Well, I
Scott Benner 29:55
appreciate that. But it's interesting that you're the one listening but he's the one managing more. That's just to a different dynamic than I've heard in the past, which is still really cool. I think however it works for you is is the best way. Yeah. And
Veronica 30:06
then I mean, I relay things to hit my micromanage. Oh, I see.
Unknown Speaker 30:11
So this is
Scott Benner 30:12
just a classic married situation here. We're just being remote controlled by you is what you're saying. He's just, he's just a robot in the house with a pulse. I gotcha. Then I just like it.
Veronica 30:26
Like, it's three o'clock this morning. I'm like, did you get the yogurt? Are you getting a yogurt?
Unknown Speaker 30:33
Like, yeah, going down to get a yogurt. There are
Scott Benner 30:37
times that I sit still in my house. And Kelly's like, Well, what do you think? And I'm like, I'm waiting for you to tell me what I think. Because I don't want to I don't want to be wrong about this, you know, ruin a whole afternoon. So.
Unknown Speaker 30:51
So a yogurt, you'll do a yogurt in the middle of the night for low blood sugar.
Veronica 30:56
Yeah, and that's the I mean, so this is, this is the thing. So he like he'll typically go down at night at a classic like three o'clock or four o'clock in the morning, and it'll go to 3.8. So, but then he'll keep talking. Okay, good. Yeah. If he didn't have the dex calm on, we would have done a finger poke probably at midnight or one o'clock, and then we would sleep through the night.
Unknown Speaker 31:25
Okay.
Veronica 31:26
But when the dex calm is on, obviously, we have it set so that it alarms. And I just like to know, cuz he's only getting 1.5 units of lemon mirror. It's such a low amount that for him to be going low at four in the morning. It's almost, you know, over 12 hours later or whatever.
Scott Benner 31:43
Yeah. So 3.8 is just under 70. For everybody out there.
Veronica 31:48
Yeah, so he kind of leveled out at that at night. But sometimes I just if he goes to 3.6, and I just don't want to go any lower. And so we'll give him a little bit of vanilla yogurt, or a little bit of banana just to bring him back up a bit.
Scott Benner 32:03
From from around 65 or 3.6. To just a little higher.
Unknown Speaker 32:08
Yeah, I like that. How do you good?
Unknown Speaker 32:13
What's that?
Scott Benner 32:14
I was gonna say, Do you ever have to put insulin in for those? Or do you have it worked out where you just use a little bit just enough to bring him up?
Veronica 32:23
Put insulin in for the food?
Scott Benner 32:24
Yeah. Do you ever have to know nothing like that? It's always just kind of maintenance.
Veronica 32:30
Yeah, we met we we we actually, although maybe about a month or two ago, he was going a bit higher than normal, which was about so i 15.
Unknown Speaker 32:43
Okay, your chart there are seven
Veronica 32:46
e to 15 years. So he would stay there and level out maybe for a couple of hours. And then he'd go down. And so at that point, we actually did start using a bit of the quick acting insulin. I think we started with like point five units. But it only lasted for a few days. Because
he started to have lows.
Scott Benner 33:10
Wow, I can't believe you guys are a year into this. And you're still kind of fighting with I mean, I can't believe it. Don't get me wrong, I know what happens. But I just can't imagine it doesn't get a little exhausting. Like, as crazy as it sounds. He'd kind of like his pancreas to stop making insulin the rest of the way so that things could be stable, right or more stable.
Veronica 33:30
I said it this week, and he was like, just go into full blown diabetes, we can do
Scott Benner 33:38
some messing around here. Because you know, a little bit of food that takes you to 270 is that's you know, 15 that's a big number. And you would love to know, well, let me just use some insulin here to keep that from happening. But one day, you'll use the insulin and you won't need it one day, you'll use it in something you do need. So how do you make that decision?
Veronica 33:56
Yeah. And so that's why I'm really excited to get onto the pump. Because Walter definitely, at this point, doesn't want any more injections throughout the day. He He now is at the point where we'll say, Okay, well. Why don't you have you could have this he might go a little bit high, you'll be like, No, no, I'm not going to have it. So I don't want that to happen. I want him to eat whatever he wants. So as soon as, and he's not going high right now, like for breakfast this morning. You know, he might have gone up to eight, maybe 10 at the most but probably just ate for half an hour and then he goes back down and levels out.
Scott Benner 34:34
Okay. Yeah, I mean, there's a lot in there. You don't want to cause a a bad relationship with food First of all, because you can easily end up with an eating disorder. And he needs to eat he needs to grow and he needs to be healthy. So yeah, you definitely want him hungry and eating and and you bolusing and you'll get to it.
Veronica 34:54
Yeah, we get on this pump and we can bolus right that's what you're doing. bolusing for this Yeah, short acting, well, you know,
Scott Benner 35:02
so yeah, what you'll do, you know, once your pumps on, as you'll, you know, you'll have your basal insulin that you need will be coming from the pump and you can make, you know, obviously smaller adjustments so if you gave a little bit of food that you thought was just going to go from, you know, slightly low to a little higher and all of a sudden you started going up you can just give him some insulin and grab it and bring it back down again, bring it
Veronica 35:25
back down. Yeah, I'm really I'm actually really excited to get on the pump so that we can do that and just keep him
you know, coasting along
Scott Benner 35:34
right okay, let's take a break here while I read the lyrics to leave on leave on Where's his war wound like a crown. He calls this child Jesus because He likes the name and he sent him to the finest schools and towns He said it was religious and I don't know that I see more God near livan livan likes his money he makes a lot they say spends his days counting in a garage by the motorway. Now hold on. He was born a pauper to upon on the Christmas day, when the New York Times said God is dead and the worst begun Alvin tostig has a son today. Do you wonder like me who Alvin tastic is the UK is that? Let's figure that out real quick. You know, I got a message last night. And it was it was from a person who said I listen to your ads. I don't listen to the ads on anything but I listened to ads on your show and please sing more than I promised her I'd sing more so hold on one second. I don't know that that's gonna happen now live with you here but I well, so there's no like real I don't think Alvin tosic is a real alright. I don't think he's a real person if he is okay he's made up all right and he shall be livan he shall be a good man he shall be leave on in a tradition with the family plan Shall we leave on and he bothers a lot of repetition here I guess that's what music is he shall be a good man livan livan sells cartoon balloons in town. His family business thrives Jesus blows up balloons all day. But who's Jesus wait a minute we
Unknown Speaker 37:00
he calls his choice I
Scott Benner 37:02
leave on child as Jesus yes all right. So we got the kid blowing up the balloons that's that's child labor there's issues on a porch swings watching them fly this song goes on forever. It is elton john yeah Jesus wants to go to Venus that's sexual I'm so mean hold on when livan livan slowly guys just but I can't do the rest of anyway leave on the lyrics don't make you feel good about it. But I'm gonna tell you right now my favorite elton john song you love to tune
Unknown Speaker 37:34
I really do.
Unknown Speaker 37:36
My when people played that for us after we had named our son livan you thought quite a shot.
Unknown Speaker 37:45
We like
Scott Benner 37:48
leave on home is a still a you know, that's a that's a reach. I'm gonna say he's such an old man. Now. I know he died in 2012. That's why it looks so old. Nevermind.
Veronica 38:00
I think you and I think Levon Helm might have been the only was he the only American or was he the only Canadian? I can't remember in the band? The band? I'm not sure. I don't know. I'm not really into music. My husband is more in tune
Unknown Speaker 38:14
with American music. He is the
Unknown Speaker 38:17
only American one American one. What do you think that? Do you have a band song that is your favorite? No, I could not name a band song, the band any of their songs? And like if I heard it, I might recognize it. But I doubt it.
Scott Benner 38:33
Alright, I'm looking and I have to be honest. I feel like I know the band the same time. I don't know. Oh, up on Cripple Creek. I guess that's the one I was thinking of. All right. I'm not saying that either.
Unknown Speaker 38:48
letting down the person that contacted me about this.
Scott Benner 38:52
I so I have a couple serious questions for you. Okay. I get a lot of questions from people about skiing with diabetes. Like seriously a lot of them so okay. Yeah. How do you manage all the kind of remoteness, the cold and the, you know, the the fact that you're at rest, and then all of a sudden, you know, vigorously your body's working and then you're at rest. There's adrenaline, like how do you? How are you finding that so far? Hey, let's talk about the dexcom g six by talking about Arden's last 12 hours of blood sugar's so all the way back before she went to bed last night, her blood sugar kind of got down to 70 and she was hungry. So she had this protein bar thing with like nuts in it and I don't exactly know what was in there, just peanut butter or something. So she eats this bar. And I think to myself, maybe she's not gonna need as much insulin as I think. So we wait a little bit, but then we see a rise right? All of a sudden this 70 turns 88 turns into 97 1050 we put in some insulin. Now. I'm not gonna lie. I should have put the insulin in sooner. Everybody It goes all the way to 170. before it comes right back down again to 130 blah, blah, and an hour and a half later, blood sugar's 121. By the time our insulin finishes up, her blood sugar's 82. And then all overnight 80 to 8590 509. Back to 9586. hear what I'm saying? 100. And how do we get to sleep like that? How does Arden's blood sugar get to be like that? Because, well, a number of reasons. Think about it, she's got the dexcom g six continuous glucose monitor, we start with a lower blood sugar at bedtime, that a lot of you might think, well, I'm gonna feed that. And that's it. You know, I'll test hours later, maybe, but I was able to give her the food, see the rise, put in the insulin, bring the rise back down, not bring it down too far. And then let Arden stay stable all night long. Because of the information that I get back from the Dexcom g sex. And you can find out more about it@dexcom.com Ford slash juicebox. The tools that make all this possible are within your grasp.
Veronica 41:11
So we ski every weekend and sometimes twice on the weekends. And then Walter skis during spring break. So he's got the decks calm, we're always with him. He doesn't go. We haven't put him he's been he was in ski lessons last year before he had diabetes. But this year, we've just kept him with us. Because I can't really drop him off with a 20 year old ski instructor for the day and just be like, okay, yeah, manage the diabetes. So we don't do that. But he skis with us. He's got his Dexcom he has an iPhone that we keep inside his coat. So it stays warm. We had some issues at the beginning of this season where we were keeping it on an outside pocket, and it would just die because it's, it's cold. So it's on the inside pocket. And then we really just monitor him throughout the day and top him up with food. He goes low, he'll go low skiing any kind of activity like scootering, or especially skiing, he will ride pretty low. So we always just have a backpack with sandwiches and crackers. And we have some juice with us. We have gummy bears with us. And we just kind of taught him up through the day, we he can have french fries at the ski hill on a ski day because he won't go high from the fries. And so right now, that's, you know, that's how we're managing it. And then what happens I find is a day or two after skiing. He'll he's low. He doesn't go low, but he rides he his levels are much lower. That's
Scott Benner 42:52
interesting, because I wish I could have I may have guessed that. And at the same time, it doesn't. It doesn't make me feel like Like, if that makes any sense. Like days later, it's just such an odd thing. But I definitely hear what you're saying, Arden you know, if she's really active One day, the next day, you're pretty confident it's gonna be like a lower like blood sugar diet and exercise does help keep your blood sugar down. So,
Veronica 43:17
you know, yeah, if he's on a trampoline
Scott Benner 43:20
on the trampoline. It's within minutes, they ought to make insulin out of trampolines. Because that's how well it works. It's so fast acting, it's amazing, you know, for
Veronica 43:34
and I'm expecting this is all going to change when he goes into full blown diabetes. So
Scott Benner 43:40
yeah, yeah. Had you not mentioned the trampoline? what I was gonna say next is that that's all gonna shift as soon as, as soon as you know, his pancreas gives up the rest of the way, I guess. Yeah, but there is some good there, you know. So your experience with skiing is still pretty, it's minimal, to be perfectly honest. Like you're innocent. Yeah, you can like feed, you can feed the lows that come from the activity and not really even have to worry about the insulin, which I'm assuming will not be the same for most people. But you did say some things that are definitely worth remembering that these some of these some of this technology can't be out in the freezing freezing cold forever. And so you said the dexcom receiver just or his phone, which which was it that gave up in the cold. It's the phone the phone, so it has to go more in the inner pocket closer to you so it can stay warm somewhere where you're not gonna fall on it, obviously and you still have access to it.
Veronica 44:34
Yeah, yeah. And we've got it in the case and it's in his pocket inside closer to his body. We sometimes my husband will have the phone on himself, but I find that we just even if Walter gets a little too far away, then it doesn't transmit. So we we've got an on an inside pocket in his coat now
Scott Benner 44:53
it's only just Bluetooth distance without whatever your phone can you know, wherever you'd lose your headphones, walking away from them. If you have bluetooth headphones, that's as far as you
Unknown Speaker 45:03
can go. Okay, yeah. Um,
Veronica 45:09
so I think I think for us right now, they the doctors just keep saying that we've, it's easier right now it's going to get much harder.
Scott Benner 45:18
Yeah. I mean, and so let me talk about that for a second. If it doesn't get harder, it gets more involved. And, and, and you'll swap because I think what you're doing sounds hard. Like, so maybe that'll make you feel better like the, the unpredictability of what's happening to you, being in a honeymoon situation still, to me, sounds harder. At least I know, with Arden, you know, this happens, then that happens if this is going to happen that I need to do this. There's there's no moment when you know, she doesn't need insulin, or, you know, there's no moment where Arden could just eat french fries, because she's being active that way that wouldn't that doesn't exist anymore. So there's a consistency that's going to come after, after this part for you. And, and I do prefer, I like to say this about diabetes. I don't think it ever gets easier. But I think you get so much better at it that it sort of starts feeling easy.
Veronica 46:21
Yeah, you know, I that's how I feel listening to this podcast and actually going through this honeymoon at a slower pace. I've been able to learn a lot. And I don't know, I just I feel like I'm learning so much. Now before we get to a year from now. And maybe I'll maybe I'll know. I mean, I honestly didn't even know it Bolus men, or bazel.
Scott Benner 46:49
Right? No, I please, I didn't either. Oh, you know, when it all started for me, I didn't. But you know, what you're making me think is that what you're basically describing is I you know, the ability for someone to come along and say, Hey, listen, here's some information about type one diabetes. You don't have it, but you will next year. So yeah, take your time, learn about it. And about the time you know, you need it, that information is going to be all locked up in your head. You're gonna be you'll be like a pro before you've even had to do it. You don't mean like, you're your biggest? Yeah, you're like, I hope so. But but but I think I mean, you know, always be you're not really you. The one thing I'll say to you is be careful in the very beginning because you're you'll be just a theoretical ninja at that point. Yeah, you haven't actually been in a fight yet. So So don't like go running. Like don't decide to pick a fight with bursley first, you know, like, on day one don't go we're having pizza and pasta because I listened to a podcast, you know, but but but you will be able to trust some of the things that you've heard and and that should be very helpful to you. I'm kind of excited for you like it's
Veronica 47:56
excited to to learn about different influence, which is something that I don't we're using 11 here.
Unknown Speaker 48:06
And so that's the long Yeah, the slow acting right. The slow acting,
Scott Benner 48:10
right? Yeah. basal insulin and then you're injecting human lager. What did you say it was? I'm sorry.
Veronica 48:19
Yeah, humor log is the clear. Ah,
Scott Benner 48:23
yes. Okay. So when you when he so he when he eats a meal, you give him humalog? No, no.
Veronica 48:32
Are you only get one he gets 1.5 unit of mirror in the morning at breakfast. And that lasts him until the next day at breakfast.
Scott Benner 48:43
So there's no mealtime insulin happening yet?
Veronica 48:46
No, not yet. We were doing it. Like maybe six weeks ago, we were at a point five. But then he started to have lows and he hasn't gone up again to make like he'll go maybe to 10 months, you know, and then 10 is he's but he's and then he comes down after about half an hour. No kidding. Have you? Have you looked into any of the trials like the trial is trial that exists in Canada? I believe it does. I think I just called them actually last week. So we're gonna get into Yeah, I phone trial and that I had a pamphlet in our binder about it. But this is why I had them do all of this blood work. And I'm going back actually next week to review the bloodwork with them and get a really good understanding and just really confirm that it is a honeymoon and the endocrinologist is great. He ran all the tests and, and was very open to it. And then I went back in and he said that he is and he went through all of it with me. It's just a long. Yeah, they're saying it's just a long honeymoon. But that's why I'd like to get involved with john Smith and maybe get some information from her too.
Scott Benner 50:05
This is gonna sound crazy for a second but what's your postal code?
Veronica 50:10
T one w three feet five p one w three c five canmore. Alberta?
igloo lane.
Scott Benner 50:27
So there is okay, so there's just looks like one trial net. It's in. Is it in Toronto? Is that in Ontario?
Veronica 50:35
Okay. That's an Ontario. Yeah,
Unknown Speaker 50:36
that's on the other side of the country, right?
Veronica 50:38
Yes. Yeah, nothing in Vancouver, hey.
Maybe it wasn't trial net that I found it was a different it was a trial. Actually, you know, it wasn't really a trial, what it was, was to get my son and my husband and I tested? Mm hmm.
Scott Benner 50:59
Yeah, it's just it's sometimes you know, I know very little about this. But sometimes there are some trials going on that when you still have when you're still making insulin, the way your son is that, you know, sometimes they can give you like a course of medication to help it continue longer. And to extend that time, then I don't know if that's something you'd be interested in finding out about, but Oh, definitely, it might be. It might be it might definitely be worth looking into for you. Because a year later, he doesn't need fast acting insulin for food. That's kind of insane.
Unknown Speaker 51:33
I know. And
Veronica 51:36
I think it's a bit insane. The hospital themselves, they definitely have seen it. They have said, but I'm just I mean, we go back every three months. And I really I push the and I do my own research. And I'm of course I'm totally open to it. I and he would be a great case to look at, I think for for the hospital.
Scott Benner 51:58
Yeah. Has anyone mentioned like Lada to you like latent autoimmune diabetes? Yeah.
Veronica 52:04
Only, I only know about it from your podcast. Okay. And I have asked, I think that was part of why I had all of these. This bloodwork done was because I wanted to make sure that he didn't have Lada. I remember one of the women on your podcast, she did diagnose through type one. And then it actually turned out she was Lada. And then she was just on an oral medication, I think.
Scott Benner 52:27
Yeah, yeah. And then Moody, which I don't know,
Veronica 52:30
a ton of I know. That's the one Modi that's the one I had it tested for. Yeah, that's it. Not a lot. But Modi, I was Yeah. So I'm just gonna keep pushing these. This, he gets his blood done every three months. Anyway, I'm just gonna keep pushing for more tests.
Scott Benner 52:45
Yeah, no, I think you're smart to do that, for sure. Because this is, I mean, I guess it's not unheard of to go for a year, but it really is a little is a little crazy. Like I said, I'm trying, I'm following a kid who's you know, in a similar situation, but they're only six months in, basically. And when she eats her blood sugar shoots up, like what
Unknown Speaker 53:07
is your blood sugar shoot up to? Oh,
Scott Benner 53:10
it would that mean? It would it would, it would go all the way without without insulin. So they're okay, they're using insulin at meals. And. And it's, I mean, I've seen it go, like, sometimes they can get ahead of it. But the longer the longer the time passes, the harder it is to get ahead of it.
Unknown Speaker 53:31
Okay, so
Scott Benner 53:32
you can see it 200 to 250. Which to you would be Geez, you know, like 1314 in that space. You know, okay, yeah. And so,
Veronica 53:42
yeah, like in the last 24 hours, Walter hasn't gone above.
Unknown Speaker 53:47
He went. He went to 11. Which is 200.
Scott Benner 53:54
ish. Yeah. Right around 200.
Veronica 53:57
Add about that must have been around breakfast time. And you see here. Well, if he's jumped over to me, but then but he comes back down within 20 minutes. that quick.
Scott Benner 54:08
Yeah. What did he eat for breakfast when that when it jumped up like that?
Veronica 54:11
Um, so for breakfast he has this morning he had two eggs and potatoes. Loves potatoes and bacon. And he probably had a one or two small mandarin oranges. Yeah, so he had carbs and it Oh, yeah. And it jumped in the oranges. I mean, oranges are pretty high.
Scott Benner 54:32
Well, there's simple sugars. And if they don't get them pretty quickly, how long was he at 11?
Unknown Speaker 54:37
Um,
Veronica 54:40
well, the 11 was I'm looking at his 24 hour right. The 11 actually happened this morning at about 6am. And so that was probably from the yogurt. And I can't because I'm on the follow I can't. So looks like it was maybe 1520 minutes and then went back and then he went back down to six. Shut up.
Scott Benner 54:59
All right back down again.
Veronica 55:01
Yeah. So and then so for breakfast, I can tell you right so 7am this morning, we were up for breakfast, he had potatoes to eggs with cheese on it. He probably had one or two small mandarin oranges. And he had some bacon. And he didn't go at, at about 715 he was at six. And then he went back down to about 5.5. The highest he's been is at around 830 when he went to school and Ward probably gave him a little bit of banana before he got into school just because he seems to give him 11 year it starts to work. And then by 830 Sorry, go low. Yeah. And so he was at about seven for maybe.
Scott Benner 55:44
Not even, that's only like 125 like you're talking about like 100 blood sugar back down at 90 around 120.
Veronica 55:51
I mean, my blood sugar probably goes to 120 when I eat a banana, I would imagine Oh, yeah, I think I do finger pokes on myself a lot. And sometimes I'm at 10 for 1015 minutes, and then I go back down like right now he's at, he must have just had snack. And he is at eight and now she's gone back down to seven.
Scott Benner 56:13
So he jumped to 145 but then went back to 126 pretty quickly
Unknown Speaker 56:17
within from eight to seven within about
Veronica 56:21
less than half an hour about half an hour.
Scott Benner 56:23
And but if you didn't give him the level mirror, this wouldn't be the case he
Veronica 56:27
get hard. No, he would get higher with without the 11 year yeah, for 11 years just keeping him it's giving him that they're they're describing it as him wearing a backpack and that we're just like holding the backpack up a little bit for him.
Scott Benner 56:40
Yeah, that's like that analogy, but that's okay.
Veronica 56:46
We're in Canada, they had Jesus backpack.
Scott Benner 56:49
Have a snow and moose and backpacks. And I mean, you know, that's it really and beer. That's it. There's nothing left.
Veronica 56:58
Yeah. So if anybody out there who is listening to your podcast is going through the same experience. It would be interesting to hear about it.
Scott Benner 57:08
Yeah, no, I mean, it's, uh, you're describing it the way most people describe it, to be perfectly honest. Like I had conversations with people privately and on here and this is what honeymooning is, it's a giant pain in the butt. But it usually doesn't last for a year. Did you when you died when he was diagnosed? When when? When Walter was diagnosed, what was his blood sugar then?
Unknown Speaker 57:30
It was 23 when I took him into the hospital for 34 to 14 for 14 like 23. Okay, so high.
Unknown Speaker 57:39
What were his symptoms
Veronica 57:42
really similar to everybody. So we actually I had gone to London to the UK with him for a week. So before we left, he had flu like symptoms or he was sick, like you have an ear a can so and so I went back to the doctor twice. They were like, No, it's just the flu, it'll go away. Or then they gave me an antibiotic to take with me. So I took that with me. And then the week that I was there, he was tired. I had to push them around in the stroller in London. And he's, you know, he's, he doesn't ever want a stroke. And then he peed the bed a couple of times. And so at that point, I was like, oh, gosh, and but I still wasn't like it was in my head. It was in the back of my head. But I didn't really know enough about diabetes. So then we flew home on the flight home from the UK. So eight hour flight, he had to go to the bathroom probably every 20 minutes every half an hour, and he slept. And then he'd wake up and have to go to the bathroom. So then we got home. And I went to work the next day and he stayed home from school. And I phoned my mom and I said my might think he has type one diabetes. No, that's crazy. That's crazy. And I only know about it because of my cousin's son. Right. Then that next morning, he woke up and was just like, he, he couldn't even I mean, he was standing but it was so yeah, he was abnormal. you're headed
Scott Benner 59:12
to DK probably.
Veronica 59:14
He went Yeah. And so I got him in the car, and we went straight to the hospital and they diagnosed him right away. That's, you know, the same same symptoms that most of most of the people who have on
Unknown Speaker 59:25
right, yeah, I care about.
Scott Benner 59:26
Yeah, I hate to say it, but I just think you're in the middle of one long honeymoon. This. Yeah.
Unknown Speaker 59:30
I know. That's what they've said. Yeah. That's awesome. So we'll just we'll see how long it lasts.
Scott Benner 59:36
Yeah, I mean, yeah, I guess the longer the better to be perfectly honest. For his, you know, for his long term health. Yeah, long term health.
Unknown Speaker 59:43
Yeah, but at the same
Scott Benner 59:44
time for your sanity.
Veronica 59:48
For my sleep pattern,
Scott Benner 59:50
when he was sick, the doctor didn't say maybe don't let him in a river without a shirt on. That wasn't anything. They didn't bring that up. In different life just being a little farther away from the equator has really just it just changed everything about who you are everything you've said about outdoors even like skiing twice a week, I thought, Oh, wow. I've never been skiing in my life.
Veronica 1:00:16
Well, I've always thought it was like, oh, garden gardens come to canmore and meanwhile during come hang out with us to go skiing. So you're more than welcome, anytime ever.
Scott Benner 1:00:26
Skiing to me is an invitation to die crashing into a tree. And that is not how I want to go out I you know, I sometimes joke about like, I don't want to die falling off a roof. Like one of the things I pay for around my house is that my gutters clean because I don't want the shortfall of the ground being me going, you know, I could have afforded to pay somebody to do this. And I got a great email from a guy who I has fallen off a roof in his life. And he's pretty much like, Look, there's not that much time to think on your way down. It was like But yeah, I avoid a couple of things. skiing is one of them because I am very fearful of going very fast not being able to stop and then the last thing I think is Oh, that tree is gonna hurt my face and then that'll be the end of it. So I realized that's probably not skiing. But
Veronica 1:01:12
Kevin this summer that you can ride the gondola and see the grizzly bear. I was
Scott Benner 1:01:15
just gonna say you're just trying to get me out there so the bears can eat me. I know what's happening. Don't Don't act like you don't know. I know what's going on here. All right, listen, you guys are terrific. Just the names of your family members are you have more different names in one family then?
Veronica 1:01:33
Oh, well wait till I tell you my Do you want to hear my name? My full name do it. Why not? Veronica? winner Fred Carmichael with me. We
Unknown Speaker 1:01:47
were to have a winner forget in there. That's my name his name because that's a that's a family name. You don't give that to a kid by mistake. Any friends? Amazing. Give other brothers and sisters. Yeah, I have an older sister. Did they get
Scott Benner 1:02:01
saddled with anything or no?
Veronica 1:02:04
Well, my brother was born in Peru. So he got got lost Jorge. And my sister now she just got Michelle. Michelle Mary.
Scott Benner 1:02:13
So hold on. Were you born in Canada?
Veronica 1:02:17
I was born in Canada but grew up in Peru and Colombia my whole life
Scott Benner 1:02:21
because your father is a drug runner?
Unknown Speaker 1:02:23
Yes. Yes.
Scott Benner 1:02:25
Look Okay. Is that what you're telling me?
Veronica 1:02:29
He works in mine. He did work in mining.
Scott Benner 1:02:31
Yeah, no kidding. Oh, that's so and so you guys were there for so you've lived in warm weather and Which is better?
Unknown Speaker 1:02:38
Yeah, I have them didn't really warm weather Colombia. So what's
Scott Benner 1:02:42
what's better what do you think is better?
Veronica 1:02:44
Pick one I need the I need the cool temperatures. I have fair skin with freckles and I the heat is just 60 SPF with big hats and the heat. I mean, I love the heat but I have to be under shelter
Scott Benner 1:02:58
to shelter. It wouldn't you take for your hypothyroidism you taking Synthroid. Yeah, I take Synthroid, do you take anything for the T three? site a mill or anything like that? Ah, no, no. How is your energy and you know, do you feel rested? And? Yeah, it's,
Veronica 1:03:16
it's, um, it ebbs and flows. I mean, I've had up this Synthroid. Like in the morning, I'm tired, but I'm just don't know. I'm like is that because I've just been up with Walter at three o'clock and lost an hour or two in there or? Yeah, I do get my I get my blood test regularly.
Scott Benner 1:03:34
Yeah, my girls. Watch them. I watched them struggle with the thyroid thing. Like right now we're trying to get Ardennes together. She had a problem. Once for her Synthroid. She obviously she went through a big growth spurt out of nowhere. And then that so she didn't have enough Synthroid. I'll talk about this in a regular episode somewhere, like in the middle of an episode about about I actually should do an episode about thyroidism I guess.
Veronica 1:03:58
Yeah, that would be interesting. It's interesting that she got it at a young age. I didn't realize you could get hypothyroid isn't like most of my friends who get it are get it after pregnancy.
Scott Benner 1:04:08
Yeah, that's how it happened to my wife.
Veronica 1:04:10
Yeah. So do you think art in men got it? As part of the autoimmune?
Scott Benner 1:04:16
I thought you're gonna ask me if I thought Arden had a baby that I wasn't aware. I don't think it was 13. She had a child and hid it from you. So no, I think she's just she's rolling the autoimmune dice and coming up craps a lot is what is what's happening, but she got but so anyway, when she grew, she needed more more Synthroid took us a couple of days to figure that out. And in those days, she could barely lift her head up. She was exhausted. The doctors, cardiologists, I was like No, like, because their blood pressure was so low. I'm like, I think she just needs more Synthroid. So while they're all like arguing and sending her to doctors one day, I just was like, Here, take more.
Unknown Speaker 1:04:55
Oh, devil.
Scott Benner 1:04:56
Yeah. And she's like, you know, a couple days later, she like she's like, I feel better. I was like, yeah, so then I told the doctor what happened, Doctor has been great, by the way. And um, but recently, her Synthroid levels are good. And she's just been tired. She's like that I'm always tired like she's got always got muscle aches and she's tired and you know, she had to stop playing softball because her shoulders and our neck like are so tight, that she can't kind of do it anymore. And so so we just got her t three replacement, a couple,
Unknown Speaker 1:05:29
three replacement, so
Scott Benner 1:05:32
I'll save that for the for the other episode, but there's there's there's different hormone that your thyroids responsible for that Synthroid is replacing t four but there's a T three, two and so right that's
Unknown Speaker 1:05:44
right. So yes,
Scott Benner 1:05:46
we're crossing our fingers and seeing if that helps her but we don't know yet. It's only been a few days, so.
Veronica 1:05:52
Oh, poor girl, because she's been softball.
Scott Benner 1:05:54
Yeah, well, she hasn't done it for a while now since October, probably about, she missed a fall season and she had to go tell her coach at school that she can't play in high school right now. So she just can't she can't get her neck loose. She can't get her shoulders loose. It's really kind of crazy. So anyway, hopefully I'll do a off to do one about I don't know enough about it to carry the episode is my prominence. Somebody that really understands it
Unknown Speaker 1:06:22
should go to acupuncture or anything. You know
Scott Benner 1:06:24
what we're getting up to trying anything. That's one of the things that's gone through my head. You know, I think we might try a chiropractor. acupuncturist might be next, um, you know,
Veronica 1:06:34
I like acupuncture works really well for me, does it for any sort of muscle and anything actually anything even in flat inflammation?
Scott Benner 1:06:44
Yeah, but we're definitely gonna, we're gonna start heading out on a limb and trying a bunch of different stuff. So yeah, anything that works, I'm anything where I fall, I'll fall short of letting her smoke weed, i think but I, I wanted to be able to her body can't relax, you know, like, she just her muscles won't just relax and you can like, massage them out and get them completely like soft tissue. They feel like jelly under our skin. And five minutes later, they're stiff again.
Unknown Speaker 1:07:12
To me. It's really Oh my god. Yeah.
Scott Benner 1:07:14
So we'll figure it out, I guess. But anyway, we're past an hour and you need to go back to work. Okay, tell everybody real quick. Where did you do this interview from? Are you in the ski lodge?
Veronica 1:07:24
And in the ski lodge at the Lake Louise ski area in Lake Louise, Alberta.
Unknown Speaker 1:07:29
Nice. All right. Thank you so much outside.
Scott Benner 1:07:33
I really appreciate you doing this. Hey, listen, if you have a if you can take a picture of what you're looking at right now and email it to me. I'll include it in the podcast.
Veronica 1:07:41
Okay, well, I'll do that. I'll definitely do that. It's really dry. Here. We're coming. We're coming to the end of our ski season we close may 5, but we've had a lot of warm temperatures though. We've lost a lot of snow. We may close early, but we're one of the last ski areas that closes around here, because we're at a higher elevation. But I will send you a picture.
Scott Benner 1:08:00
That is so cool. All right. You avoid the
Unknown Speaker 1:08:02
bears and I will talk to you soon. Okay, thank you, Scott. Have a good day. Bye. Bye,
Scott Benner 1:08:07
Whitney. Thanks so much for coming on the podcast and sharing Walter story for making me think of my favorite elton john song for sharing with everyone what the podcast has done for you and talking about the difficulties of a long honeymoon. Thank you all so to Dexcom on the pod and dancing for diabetes, you can go to dexcom.com forward slash juice box, my omnipod.com forward slash juice box or dancing the number four diabetes.com To find out more about the wonderful sponsors. It is this time of year to be festive and charitable. Who check out the sponsors. If you cannot remember what I just said there are links in your show notes of your podcast player and at Juicebox podcast.com. Also Juicebox podcast.com a photo of Whitney in a chairlift pretty beautiful I'm not gonna sing livan I want to because in my mind in my heart when I hear the song, it's so beautiful. And if I turn it up loud enough, I can't hear it. And by it I mean me singing and so I feel like I'm singing it you know the feeling of singing along with loud music where you just you believe that you're harmonizing along with it and that the depth of your feeling and that that soul fullness is matching Elton John's as if right but it's just terrible. But I will tell you my favorite parts of the song lyrically so that when you go check it out and you're gonna check it out right you're gonna go listen to leave on if you haven't right so it starts slow leave on Where's his war wound like a crown I don't even know exactly but make some money. By the time we get to the motorway starts picking up. But then when he when he when he hits to the I think it's the Alvin tostig has a son today kind of goes into a different gear. And then it's a little bit of repetition talks about naming the boys But then my goodness, I'm going to just tell you when with the next two thirds of the song, Mm hmm. While livan slowly dies, breaks my heart, right? Because I'm figuring in my mind, leave on to the Father, watching the son grow and want to move away. As leave ons, life comes to an end. Oh, it's heartbreaking. All right. So if you don't know leave on by elton john, go check it out. Find me on Instagram or Facebook or something and tell me what the heck the song's about. And if you do the song, go enjoy it one more time. I think about that sometimes. How many more times Am I going to hear a song before? I'm dead? I know that seems morbid. But I do think that sometimes I hear a song that I really love and I go I wonder how many more times I'm going to hear that. So check out leave on any of the other music that really makes you happy. Leave on is on Elton John's madman across the water. It's a masterpiece.
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