#208 Hannah Hates (Almost) Everything

A terrific conversation with a type 1 who gets it.….

Hannah is 25 years old and has had type 1 for over a decade. This is just a terrific conversation with a type 1 who gets it. And plot twist... her 51 year old mom was just diagnosed with type 1 diabetes. 

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Scott Benner 0:00
Hello, and welcome to Episode 208 of the Juicebox Podcast. Today's show is sponsored by Omni pod Dexcom and dancing for diabetes, you can find out more at my Omni pod.com forward slash juice box dexcom.com forward slash juice box or dancing the number four diabetes.com. There'll be more about the sponsors during the show. And you can always find links to all of the sponsors that anything spoken about today on the podcast in your show notes.

Today, I'm speaking with Hannah, she's 25 years old and has had Type One Diabetes for over a decade. And just recently her 51 year old mother was diagnosed. This is just a really good, comfortable conversation goes in a couple of different directions. It's funny, it's light hearted, had to share some things that she doesn't like. Actually, there's some things I think she hates, which is why this episode is called Hannah hates everything. Please remember that nothing you hear on the Juicebox Podcast should be considered advice, medical or otherwise. And always consult a physician before making changes to your medical plan or being bold with it.

So Arden's in high school now, right? And they're on these block days, by the way, we're recording,

Unknown Speaker 1:32
okay, great.

Scott Benner 1:34
They're on these block days now. And the schedule changes like every day. And sometimes she has to block like classes that split in the middle and you leave for lunch, and she's still trying to figure the whole thing. Right. So a few minutes ago, I get hay lunches in like seven minutes. And I said, Okay, do 10 and a half minutes, extend that let's do 20% now do the rest over an hour. And I was like and look for another tax maybe during lunch because we might need a little more insulin.

Unknown Speaker 2:02
And that was all I heard. Okay, 510 minutes later, I

Scott Benner 2:05
get this text. Which by the way, I can't say the podcast saw that out. Dad, I'm wrong. Lunch isn't soon. I got my times mixed.

Unknown Speaker 2:14
Oh no and cheery bolus.

Scott Benner 2:16
Well, but we didn't extendable. So she put in 20% of 10 and a half units. So I'm gonna say two units who Yeah, and her blood sugar is 125. Right now, two units too much for 120. Hi. So I was like, cancel the extended bolus for like a half an hour. So it lets Temp Basal off for half an hour. I this might catch it. It probably isn't going to and she might need juice before lunch break. But I was just laughs because of the Oh, you know?

Hannah 2:46
Yeah, that is actually really funny. The panic sets in and you're like, I have no idea what to do

Scott Benner 2:51
well, and she's having such a tough time. Not a tough time. But it's such a it's such a different thing for her life has just changed, right High School, because the other day. She had a little low in the morning. And by a little law. I mean, she was like 74. And she was sort of like just sitting there. Right? And I thought this is fine. Like we'll live with us. And I lost track of when lunch was so she goes from 74 a diagonal up to 80 to 85 of like, Oh, so I started thinking Ma'am, I might have to bolus before lunch. Then all of a sudden it's 90 and 95. And I'm like, I'm texting. I'm like Arden, Arden Arden. She's not answering not answering. 15 minutes goes by she's 110. She's 115. And I say I finally like send like a like a loud tone. I'm like, Oh my God, is she in lunch? And I'm like, hey, and I get this text and she goes, Oh, I forgot the Bolus.

Unknown Speaker 3:46
Oh my goodness. And

Unknown Speaker 3:47
I'm like, What do you mean?

Scott Benner 3:48
I'm like, when's lunch? Lunch is over.

Hannah 3:52
So she completely ate everything and just never

Scott Benner 3:55
Yes, the very first time in her I swear to you in her life.

Unknown Speaker 4:00
We've all done it. Oh, absolutely.

Scott Benner 4:03
sat down and she notched away and it was our and so I did this um, I over bolused I added the Temp Basal but here was the the irritating, not the irritating part, but the part that made it worse. As this was all happening. I was sitting down in the dentist's chair for two and a half hours.

Unknown Speaker 4:22
Oh my god,

Scott Benner 4:23
I'm now like loading her up with insulin. She's walking back to class. And I was saying to my dentist Listen, I'm you're gonna see me raise my wrist up every once in a while. And I hope you don't mind I might have to text her. And it worked out great. Actually, during that. I mean, try to imagine she had a full meal and people who listened right art it was eaten sandwiches and chips and cookies and fruit and like all kinds of carbs. And so her blood sugar went from that 74 to 285. Wow. And I actually got it to come back and lay down at 130 and Less than two hours.

Unknown Speaker 5:01
That's impressive.

Scott Benner 5:02
Thank you very much. And here was the really great takeaway from it. Don't worry, this won't take away from your your interview.

Unknown Speaker 5:09
I don't care.

Scott Benner 5:12
What was really great about it was, I know sounds crazy, but I got to see how her blood sugar acted with the meal without the insulin, right. And so I really looked hard at that graph. And I was like, oh, it helped me understand how to extend boluses out better and where the insulin needed to go in to sort of match when the blood sugar tried is really great. Yeah, I was actually happy it happened.

Hannah 5:38
Interesting. Most of us don't say that after

Scott Benner 5:41
perspective, you really aren't, you know, if you've listened at all, like, and I know you do. You can't think of these things as mistakes. And you have to, you have to think of them as data. So I just thought, okay, I handled it now. What can I learn from this? Right? I think it's a reverse engineered. Look at what I tried to explain to people, which is you have to look at the data to decide what to do next. And you can't, so I had a mistake. Obviously, we it was a pretty, you know, it's a pretty egregious one in the world of diabetes, like not taking insulin for food. And it's still just offered so much back if you can kind of control your emotions and not, like devolve into, like a puddle on the floor going I'm, you know, you know,

Unknown Speaker 6:25
right. Now,

Scott Benner 6:26
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Hannah 6:56
I'm Hannah, I am 25 years old, and I've been a type one diabetic since I was 11. Okay, almost half my life now. Well, over half my life.

Scott Benner 7:08
I like how you were like 11 like, I think I was 11 I'm pretty sure

Hannah 7:11
I was like right before my 12th birthday. So I say I was 11 that's kind of cheating.

Scott Benner 7:18
So okay, hold on. I'll do the math for myself. 13 years. And, and you have more than that like going on. So like, we'll get to everything. But tell me a little bit first about, by the way, at this point. Now, when people come on if you don't have like multiple stories around diabetes,

Hannah 7:35
boring, super boring. I think I am boring. But I mean, new things happen all the time. And I've done a lot of different things. So my struggle with diabetes has been different. Just because I've gone from obviously, I was in sixth grade when I was diagnosed middle school, high school, I did four years of college. I came home for six months. Then I did 18 months of masters working on my master's degree. And now I'm entering my second year of working in the workforce.

Unknown Speaker 8:06
You like a real person, you did a whole bunch.

Unknown Speaker 8:09
Then all over the place. Okay.

Scott Benner 8:11
He said masters, and I was like, Oh, she's

Unknown Speaker 8:12
a pro golfer.

Hannah 8:14
Now I wish that would be cooler. I think

Scott Benner 8:18
I knew nothing about golf. I've never watched a golf. Would you clearly been a match in my life? And yet we had masters as I called the green jackets.

Hannah 8:27
That one no different I do work at a golf course. Now I was in the event side. Yeah. So I do like the events at a country club. But I am not a good golfer. Can you imagine?

Scott Benner 8:38
randomness of this podcast? I did not know that about you. And I still to this moment. Don't know why the word masters made me think of God. Oh, no, I

Hannah 8:46
it was meant to be apparently.

Scott Benner 8:49
Do you know what I just learned here? I'm so good at this. And even when I don't know what I still know what I'm doing. It's fine. Yeah, I agree. I wonder how many people won't hear the sarcasm in my statement. Later, I will get a review. It's like this guy is so full of himself. He thought,

Unknown Speaker 9:03
whatever.

Scott Benner 9:05
So okay, so let's we'll unpack a little bit. Right. So 1112 years old diagnosed? I find that to be an interesting time, because I'm assuming you're just about to get your period for the first time had if you hadn't already just gotten it in that

Hannah 9:20
tie. Yeah, I hadn't gotten it. I got it about a year later when I was in seventh grade. So it was hit. I got type one diabetes as puberty was sort of beginning. I don't know how that differs from people who aren't in puberty. But it was an interesting time. I feel like I look back and I feel lucky because I had my full parents support. It wasn't the worst time because I've now lived longer with it that I have without so I feel like I've been able to cope. And because I know no different right now. So I mean, I see the positive.

Scott Benner 9:57
Well, I was just wondering because I think Everyone had is that what happened? We all right. There was. Yeah, there was a loud noise on your.

Hannah 10:05
Oh, sorry. I don't know. I have new I just got the new iPhone so I'm, I don't actually know what I'm doing.

Scott Benner 10:12
Are you using Skype with your iPhone and like just a headphones? Yeah. Are they wired or air pods?

Unknown Speaker 10:19
They're wired sounds great.

Unknown Speaker 10:20
Oh good.

Scott Benner 10:21
This is for everybody who's listening. Sometimes though, the wired headphone though can like hit your clothing and make a noise like that's

Unknown Speaker 10:29
Oh, got it,

Scott Benner 10:30
probably what it was, anyway. I, first of all, I think it's incredibly interesting. Because you're probably honeymooning as you're diagnosed. And then puberty begins. And it changes things, but you didn't really know it change things because it's right when you started. So there was no difference for you where as people who have little kids who, you know, I always find it interesting when someone's like, like, oh, here's my kids. graphes eight. Look how easy this is. And I think it is but well done and all but like, it's going to get harder, you know more, there's going to be more like moving pieces at some point. It's just you didn't get to see it with the watch. Didn't get the training wheels version of diabetes, you got the like I met plus I wanted to prove that I could say period without being uncomfortable. Because I probably do. I got feedback from someone I and she was like I apparently I say lady time a lot. Because I find that amusing. But apparently everyone doesn't find that amusing. So I got this note the other day, I used the word period in a podcast. And I get this like, two sentence note from a person who's just like, hey, well done using the word period today in the podcast instead of Lady time. And I was like, I didn't know that bothered people. So I'm very sorry.

Unknown Speaker 11:45
I didn't know.

Scott Benner 11:50
Like, I was like,

Unknown Speaker 11:51
I can't I can't really trying.

Hannah 11:54
Well, we did it. You use that. And we moved on feeling pretty good about it.

Scott Benner 11:57
Yeah. But so Okay, so you start out 13 years ago? That's right on the edge. Did you have early CGM technology? or How did you start?

Hannah 12:06
Nope. I started with needles in the hospital. And I actually did that for about two years, just solely finger picking and needles.

Unknown Speaker 12:19
How did that go?

Hannah 12:21
Um, I don't have like, horrid memory memories of it. Like it was okay. I didn't know any better. I didn't know there were other things to offer. I didn't get a great education in the hospital. But like I said, what they taught me was all we know, we knew. So my dad had to overcome his fear of needles pretty quickly. So that was probably the biggest turtle and like the one that actually remember. But after that, my parents only did my shots for a couple months. And then I kind of just took over and they would help with like the math, but I just started kind of doing everything myself yourself the inside. Was that do you

Scott Benner 12:58
feel like that was your decision? Or was it them trying to be like, hey, you really need to do this? Do you remember? No,

Hannah 13:03
it was it was definitely not them pushing it off on me. It was definitely more of like, I can do this. I'm going to do this. At a very sheltered upbringing. I still am very sheltered on that on that end, but they definitely did not forced me to do that. It was definitely my decision. Tell me how

Scott Benner 13:21
you were sheltered. If you if you can, like, give me one great example. I'll give let me give you one i believe i believe my wife was sheltered growing up. When I when I met her and we were you know, older. I one day, this very nice day. I said to her, I'm like, let's go to the park. And she said, okay, and I picked her up at her house, and I drove to this park that was in the town we grew up in and she's like, I didn't know this was here. It was like a mile from What do you mean? She's like, our parents don't let us drive this direction. I'm like, What does that even mean? Like, like, we lived in a very small place. There was only a couple of directions. You could go, how were you sheltered.

Hannah 13:55
And I think this story is funny. So after I was diagnosed, I still played soccer. I did all of that. And at one practice, my blood sugar was just really high. So my parents were like, sit out. Let's try to like drink water and try to get it down. So sitting out, one of my soccer friends came over and said, Why are you sitting out? Are you okay? And I was like, Oh, I'm so high have to sit out and she started laughing and I was like, why is this so funny? And she was like, Oh, I thought you were talking about like, pot like you would smoke too much pot and I don't even know what pot is. Like, what are you talking about? I'm just Hi. And I kept saying it. My parents had to be like, no, like she's thinks that something else. It just, it never clicked for me because I had no idea what that was saying. Okay,

Scott Benner 14:35
well, I think that's a good kind of sheltered.

Hannah 14:38
Just one. Yeah, no, that's a good one. But just in general, I'm the oldest of three girls. So everything was new to my parents with me and now I see my 18 year old sister and I'm like, Oh, I never would have done that or no not or any of that so

Scott Benner 14:52
common for like a family that's spread out over a few kids like right yeah, the first one you're like, don't touch that. Don't do that like by the your second kid. You know, you're dropping the pacifier on the ground and there's like stuff stuck to it. You're like wiping it on your shirt and

Unknown Speaker 15:05
yeah, you know,

Unknown Speaker 15:07
like, completely clean.

Unknown Speaker 15:09
Yep, very true here.

Scott Benner 15:11
That's so cool. So okay, so you have two younger sisters, two younger sisters. Is there any other endocrine issues in your family?

Hannah 15:19
No, there's none on either side or within my immediate family. Well, well, there is now when I was diagnosed, there was nothing. Okay. It was very random.

Scott Benner 15:30
But someone since?

Hannah 15:32
Yeah. So, two, almost two years ago, my mom was diagnosed with Type One Diabetes at 51. See, see

Scott Benner 15:40
people you gotta come hard. You want to be on the podcast. And so you're out. So your Mom, did she get a straight diagnosis? Or was it a confusing time? I don't want to do too much of her story.

Hannah 15:53
No, yeah, I don't want to Well, I can tell her story because it's, as I understand it, but she got really sick and started losing like a ton of weight. Or everybody was like, Oh, my God, he looks so good. It looks so good. And like she had been exercising and stuff to give her credit. But she became like super lethargic with, which obviously wasn't like her. She was drinking a bunch of like, normal water liquid. And she's not like a water drinker. And my dad and I never saw the signs, which is so weird to say. But I think it was so long ago that I was diagnosed, we weren't really looking for him. And so she got like, really sick and my dad took her to the urgent care, and then they sent her straight to the ER. And it was kind of confusing, because we all kind of assumed it would be type two, um, just because she is a little older. She's a little bit overweight, and she's had like those signs, but it's full blown type one diabetes.

Scott Benner 16:41
And so we'll get back to mom in a little bit. So yeah, sure. Yeah. So so you're taking care of yourself back when you're 13. I'm like Pulp Fiction is today. Like what? john travolta is dead and he's alive. I'm going back and forth. But that's okay. I'm feeling it. My daughter Arden is about to turn 15 years old, and she's been using the AMI pod insulin management system since she was four years old. If you have diabetes, and your body requires insulin, you need to know about the Omni pod. It can make your diabetes a smaller and more manageable part of your life. People with type one or insulin dependent type two diabetes, along with caregivers of both children and adults are choosing pod therapy as a simple, smart and discreet way to control their insulin and manage their diabetes. With the Omni pod, you have a proven reliable insulin management system that can provide up to 72 hours of continuous insulin delivery. And it all starts with a tubeless wearable pod that is waterproof, and discreet. controlled by Omni pods personal diabetes manager, you can accomplish everyday tasks like carb counting bolusing bazel, increases and decreases and much more. The best part is you don't have to take my word for it. You can go to my Omni pod.com forward slash juice box or click on the links in your show notes. And when you do on the pod, we'll send you a free no obligation demonstration pod. You'll be able to try it on where it and see what you think. Then you'll be able to decide if that guy on the podcast told me the truth or not. I did By the way, but it's better if you get to see it for yourself. My omnipod.com forward slash juice box. Try it today, you will not be sorry. Arden has been using the Omni pod for 11 years is an incredible tool. And at the core of how we manage her health and happiness, plus the demos free and there's no obligation. So what do you have to lose? You're in middle school, getting ready to go into high school with diabetes. Did you have a comfortable time in school? Or was it an issue? or How did it go? Well, I

Hannah 18:52
was in public school through eighth grade. So they had like the public school nurse that would come around once in a while. And every day, I was supposed to go to the nurses lounge to test and then I was supposed to write my number in this book. And then I would do whatever I needed to there and I'd go back to lunch. But I learned really quickly nobody really cares or would check up on it. So I would go like every Friday and just write in random numbers for the week and, and kind of do everything myself at the lunch table. So very little supervision on that. And I didn't have a phone. So it's not like I would call my parents and say how much insulin should I take? Or, you know, I wasn't asking those questions. So it really was up to me to see what I was going to eat and then give myself some insulin shots.

Scott Benner 19:36
How are your outcomes?

Hannah 19:37
They weren't awful, but they weren't great either. Like my agency probably sat around the 7.58. Most of my like through probably through high school.

Scott Benner 19:50
That was normal for me. It's incredibly successful for a person a kid, by the way.

Unknown Speaker 19:55
Yeah, it

Scott Benner 19:55
was in a meter, don't you think?

Hannah 19:57
Yeah. It wasn't awful. I mean, I hear like you And other people on the podcast talk about, like 681 sees. And I'm like, That's crazy. I never would have been able to do that when I was that age, but it's, I look back and I'm also like, wow, I literally had a vial of insulin needle and a blood sugar. I can't really what's called a meter a meter. And there you go. I use it. So infrequently. Now, I don't even know what it is. But yeah, very, very different times.

Scott Benner 20:27
You're you were a low tech diabetes person for a long time. Just

Hannah 20:30
very, very low tech,

Scott Benner 20:32
just even just carrying your pen. You're just like,

Unknown Speaker 20:35
Nope, that's how

Scott Benner 20:36
Arden did it. We carried a vial of insulin with us a needle. Wow, that was that was what we did. And we had this little tiny meter. That looking back on it. Now look, I mean, it looks like it came out of like a diabetes bubble gum. Like I put two quarters, and I was like, click click, click Oh, look what we got a little meter. It was It couldn't have been

Unknown Speaker 20:56
really interesting.

Unknown Speaker 21:00
But, but

Scott Benner 21:01
that's really I think that's amazing. And I'll tell you why. Because you you sort of took it over early on, you're like, Look, I can do this. Let me do it. And your parents let it happen. You're on your health was reasonable to Gemini crazy lows.

Hannah 21:16
I mean, I would go low, but it would was normally like swim practice or soccer practice. That's what I remember most.

Unknown Speaker 21:22
Did you see that as

Scott Benner 21:24
just the cost of doing business? Like, like, I get low at swim. That's what happens.

Hannah 21:29
Yeah, hundred percent.

Scott Benner 21:31
Okay. You didn't consider like, wow, I bet you there's something we could be and I'm not judging you. I don't think you should have been able to, but you didn't know. Yeah, I get that, you know, nothing like that. And so that's the lack of? I mean, I would think that's the lack of data, right? Like, for sure. Yeah. Like, how do you make decisions like that if you can't see anything?

Hannah 21:49
I don't know, I look back and I'm like, I don't think myself or my parents 100% knew exactly what we were doing or how serious. Everything I was doing was because we were kind of just flying by the seat of our pants. But that was normal. So I didn't know it was. That makes sense.

Scott Benner 22:07
No, it absolutely does. I think it's um, even though it's not that long ago. It's very common. It's incredibly common. Even in the, in the more rapid acting insulin age. It just, it's you're blind, right? You just count these carbs. And I'll put this insulin in and we'll see what happens. And, you know, oh, that's Hannah. She gets her blood sugar gets over swimming. She'll, she'll eat something and be back in 15 minutes.

Hannah 22:31
Like, that's exactly what it was. Yeah, the coach knew, I knew I kind of liked it. Because that I got to get out of practice and like, chill and sit and have a snack. And like, I enjoyed that. So I don't think I would have even wanted to fix it. I mean, I'm sure my parents would have but like, to me, that's just what happened every day. And I would go do that.

Scott Benner 22:49
Diabetes was like a break from swimming. You're like, I just can't exactly. You know,

Hannah 22:54
I hated it. I hated it. I hated competitive swimming. So to me, it was like a reward.

Scott Benner 22:59
So tell me about that a little bit. You did this, but you didn't like it. Why was it something you had always done? Were your parents like you're good at it. Keep going. Like what was the

Hannah 23:06
No, I wasn't particularly good at it. My mom. My mom and her sisters grew up, competitively swimming. So she put us all in it. So we did it. And I did it through like my sophomore year of high school, but I was also competitively playing soccer, which was which were much more serious. So I would never go to some practice. Did you know like, I have regrets. I wish I didn't play soccer that competitively. But it was fine. And I did it. I have a lot of weird feelings about the whole, like, how competitive youth sports are. If you want my thoughts on that.

Unknown Speaker 23:44
I do. And let me

Scott Benner 23:46
tell you why. Right. So my son started playing baseball when he was three. Okay, and now today he's a freshman in college and he plays baseball at his college. It's great and Arden started and he he it's such a part of who he is. It's It's It's part of the fabric of who he is. Right. And Arden started playing softball when she was I don't know five and was and is markedly good at it. Like I think I think it wouldn't be a problem for Arden to play softball in college at some point in her in her future. her but she's at this point now where she's 14 and she starts saying I don't think I want to do this anymore. And I was like, Okay, well no, we're not gonna you know make you do something like it's it's not a big deal. What we have said is you need to be active in something great like your life can't be your life can't be school and Netflix like we're not going to be okay with it unless you're gonna run in place while you're watching the Netflix that'll

Unknown Speaker 24:51
okay. And so, you're

Scott Benner 24:54
standing just a treadmill with a

Unknown Speaker 24:56
laptop and

Scott Benner 24:58
that would make my life so much easier, but But she but so, you know, I just sit around, like whenever you can think of something else that you'd like to replace softball with, so that you're moving, and you're active and you're social, and you, you know, like, just tell me what that thing is, and I'd be happy for you to do and it doesn't matter to me, I'll, I'll take you to the gym if you want to go to the gym, you know, like, like, it doesn't matter, right? And then she's like, I'll just play softball, but you know, like, and that happens like year upon year. And then, you know, when she was 12, Kerner Teamer I think two wins away from going to the Little League World Series, like they were, Wow, good, you know, and then you keep playing and, and then you move on to different teams, and you're, and you're doing all this stuff. And recently, again, she was like,

Unknown Speaker 25:43
I don't, she's like, I

Scott Benner 25:44
don't want to play softball. And I was like, well, don't I said, well, then don't play softball. Just tell me something else you're gonna do, I'm like, you have type one diabetes, like you have to understand that activity needs to be a part of your daily routine, or your weekly schedule. Like it can't just can't be an afterthought. And besides that, Hannah, and you might as a young girl know this better than anybody. There's a lot of there's a lot more sexuality around young girls than I expected growing up, and then I didn't see because I had a son the first time and I don't mean my daughter, but I mean, the people tangentially related to her, and some of the people she knows are way more active. And it's, it's, it's concerning as a parent, like so part of me wants her busy doing things, right. And I'm much happier to think that she's busy doing them with a bunch of other girls. And, and instead of like, the opposite of like, you know, some aggro boy who's 14 is like, Hey, come here. Do you want to kiss me? I would rather and by the way, if one of the girls tries to kiss her again, that seems better to me. But but but, but the point is, is that I just wanted to stay active. Right. Right. And, and then I watch her play, and unlike you and swimming, and I'm sorry, Arden's really good at softball, right. And so I have this weird parenting feeling where I think, at what point is it incumbent upon me to just tell her Okay, quit and find something else? If, if this is how, if this is how you think of it, and at what point is it not responsible of me to let her walk away from something that she is so good at, that could really propel her in different directions, before she knows exactly how she feels about it, because and hold on one second, because now I have to do the launch balls. Now. She says,

Unknown Speaker 27:38
okay,

Scott Benner 27:40
so she must have got two units, so Bolus 8.5 extend the two units has gotta be in already, because she's went from 121 to 114. So let's do zero percent now. And the rest over an hour. That way, this whole eight and a half will go in over the next 30 minutes. The twos got the twos got to be in there being a Pre-Bolus already. Hope Basal back on this is gonna be a mess. And if I can get this pretty impressed with myself, um, so, so so that, so that's the other side of it, right? Like is, you know, like, if you were incredibly good at math, and you told your mom and like your junior year of high school, like, I don't like math, I might be like, Well, too bad, Hannah, keep taking math, because it's a really great skill and you excel at it. And you might then later come back to me in your mid 20s. And go Thank God, you kept me in math, because, you know, as I mature, etc. So like, I'm stuck in that space. And I start talking to other parents with girls at this age. And I tell them this kind of story in a way that makes me think like, I'm gonna be the only one saying it and I have not yet met one person who hasn't told me Oh, my daughter complains about softball constantly.

Unknown Speaker 29:05
Yeah, and I'm like, wait.

Scott Benner 29:07
So they're all complaining about Wait a minute, the

Hannah 29:11
teenage thing? Well, that's what a preteen right? Like,

Scott Benner 29:13
is this just a where she is in her life situation? And so do I have to like so I'm just sticking with the look, you keep doing this until you can find something else to replace it with?

Hannah 29:24
I think that's great. Yeah, I do. Because if she really doesn't like it, she's gonna find something else. But it doesn't seem like there's a big rush. So she obviously enjoys it to some extent.

Scott Benner 29:35
I see that I'm like, you're smiling and laughing and doing Yeah, she goes, No, I'm not.

Unknown Speaker 29:38
I'm like, Why are you being difficult?

Hannah 29:41
I don't I think that's just a girl. preteen teen thing.

Unknown Speaker 29:46
I hope so the

Scott Benner 29:46
other night? Yeah, she's talking to me yesterday about something and being really harsh to me. And I said, Listen, I'm already married to your mom. I don't need you doing this to you know like I have enough people policing my thoughts. And actions like maybe you leave me alone.

Hannah 30:03
You better get used to it because it's just starting.

Scott Benner 30:05
I told her like get over find a boy and ruin his life but leave.

Hannah 30:10
Find someone else. My dad did it three times. I don't know how he did it.

Scott Benner 30:15
He's probably probably either just checked out or a very strong guy one or the other. Do you ever staring through you all like, I don't really hear you?

Hannah 30:24
He doesn't hear us actually. He's really good at tuning my mom out. And it's a big where I was like, you don't listen. You don't listen. He's like, I'm sorry. But it's his coping mechanism. For sure know it for sure. Isn't I I realized that now but when I was growing up, like you're not listening to me, but it was

Scott Benner 30:41
you were going I'm keeping my family together and the way I'm doing it.

Hannah 30:47
Now he's very patient. That's that's what got him so far.

Scott Benner 30:51
So okay, so you so you have real she told me a little more like you played soccer, but you didn't enjoy it.

Hannah 30:58
But I never I knew I didn't wasn't enjoying it. But it was never a question. Nobody was like, Hey, you still like it. You want to do it this season. It was like, I played competitively. The team was good. And I just stayed with the same team from think I was like nine until I was 17. So it was never like a question of Oh, you're going to leave the team? It was always like, we do the same thing year after year.

Scott Benner 31:20
Did you feel like if you left those other girls would not treat you? Well?

Hannah 31:26
No, I wasn't even really so worried about that. I never even never even left my mind that I would not play, if that makes sense. Like, yeah, I don't know. It's a weird thing that it looks back on.

Unknown Speaker 31:37
So when you look back, though you like if the you you are today was back then you'd be telling that girl? Hey, you got to get out of this. Oh, yeah, I wouldn't have survived that long. I'm a very different person. And a lot more vocal, just,

Hannah 31:51
I mean, obviously, different than I was at 15. But whenever it comes up, or my parents and I are in the car, and we drive by like a little soccer game, I was like, Oh my god, those days, and they kind of do the same thing. They're like, Oh, man, what a time like, they see it because my dad was so wrapped up in it. He was part of the club, like it was just who we were, it was so part of my identity, it never would have left.

Scott Benner 32:13
I don't have that going on. I'm the guy who's slightly off to the side complaint. Like, just like, this is how it starts. We pull up in a field. The first thing I say is, Oh, where are we now? What hellhole are we found ourselves in this time? Last time, by the way, two weeks ago, it was a field next to where they parked the trash trucks for this town that we were all great was like you kidding me? And like, you know, and then they're playing. And I say I always have the opposite of I feel like this is meaningless. Like, who cares if they win, or if they lose, like I care about? Like, for me, sports is repetition. When you're learning it, like you just need to write, it doesn't matter if you win or you lose, or what happens. I don't care about any of that. I just think you need to play. And, and at the same time, I don't want to drive more than 20 minutes to do it. Once I'm outside of a 20 minute window. I'm like, what are we doing? Where are we go? If I have to get up early on a Saturday, I'm just like, what did what is wrong with the people who scheduled this? Like, do they have no life? Do they not like sleeping? I would like to sleep.

Unknown Speaker 33:14
You know, very,

Unknown Speaker 33:16
all of the above. I

Scott Benner 33:16
complain so much. I'm so good at the complaining part of it.

Hannah 33:20
And it's so funny how, like, parents do go along with it. Like you'll complain, but we'll still wake up at 5am and be in Temecula for a tournament like it. It was just something we did.

Scott Benner 33:32
Oh, yeah, we're all insane.

Unknown Speaker 33:33
Everyone's Yeah. Personally, it's completely

Scott Benner 33:35
ridiculous and silly. And so what I ended up telling artists like I said, Look, you have to see how this works. So for my son, it elevated his the college he went into like my, my son's have a very good student. But he's not an amazing student. And he doesn't love school. He's not like that kid who's like, look at my perfect grades. I'm so happy. Like, he gets very good grades, but he wants to be playing baseball. Right? And so baseball got him into i have to say i think he could have been accepted to most of the schools that were recruiting him but he was being recruited by schools, he didn't have a chance of getting into academically, okay. Baseball propelled him into that, like it made up that last little bit of distance for him. He was close, but not right there.

Unknown Speaker 34:19
Right, which is the goal, I think of every parent putting

Scott Benner 34:23
their kid through that makes sense for Alabama, and I would easily marry you if my wife like you were a very sensible person. But most people are like, there's glory. And this is gonna happen in money. And I'm like, that's not what's gonna happen. Like, no, yeah, you called yourself the other little bit. But so I say to Arden the same thing. I'm like, look, I think you're in a similar space where this could help you get over a hump when you're going into college. I sent her like, once you get in I don't care if you quit the softball team 20 minutes like no one should hear because then she will never get recruited if she tries right but, but like, you know, if you don't like it, you don't like it. You don't have to do it for four years.

Hannah 35:00
I also think, yeah, I think it's a good thing, even if she gets there. And she does want to do it for four years, like, the structure gives the help with academics like the team bonding, I went to college with no team, and it sucked. I hated college. So I mean, I think there's a lot of positives and having that going into college. Yeah,

Scott Benner 35:19
I have to say that. I've seen that with my son already. In the first like, five. He just showed up where people were already on his side. Yeah. And there was somebody there, there was a lot of value to it. And I believe there still is but okay. All right. So let's figure this out. So you go to college you didn't like she didn't like suck, Hannah. The episode title is very close to hand. It doesn't like anything.

Hannah 35:42
But I know for sure. I kind of am like that. And I'm not a negative person. But I don't like a lot of things. I don't know. You're all

Scott Benner 35:51
I'll admit to something. I don't like food that much.

Hannah 35:54
Oh, no, I'm not on the same page.

Scott Benner 35:57
So I don't die. But at the beginning of the Jetsons where they cut, they cut that pill in half. I'm like, oh, why can't someone invent that would be amazing. If I forced myself to eat breakfast this morning. I was like, Oh, I'm gonna do it because I know I have to. And then I just took

Unknown Speaker 36:13
oh my gosh, I wish I was that way scrambled eggs and I put them in a wrap and I

Scott Benner 36:18
ate them like they were like a beef jerky Snickers it's like this in so I don't. Anyway, so Okay, so you didn't like swimming and you weren't good at it? You didn't like soccer. But you were good at it. I'm assuming you didn't like diabetes, but you were pretty good at that. You went to college you didn't like college? Why didn't you like college?

Hannah 36:39
I'm just like I said I was very sheltered and I went to college six hours away from my house. I'd never been away from any family any parents. I had no support system built in. In college. I kind of got dropped off. We all cried. My parents left it's very traumatic in my head and I would call home like every night crying. Like Come on. Let me come home and my again my dad very patient and be like I can't do anything for you. This is good for you. It'll get better and it never really got better. It was hard every single year going back. But I

Unknown Speaker 37:16
in the back of your dorm room door like the top

Hannah 37:18
of lay nice scared my freshman year roommate. I think she thought I had like a mental imbalance. It was like Do you need help? Do you want help? Like what? It was just yeah, it was traumatic. You want

Unknown Speaker 37:28
a new roommate?

Unknown Speaker 37:29
Could you please?

Hannah 37:31
Probably no, we're still friends. I think she got over that. But yeah, I don't know. It's a it's a very weird time in someone's life.

Scott Benner 37:40
I thought when when Cole laughs I said to somebody, I was talking to my brother last night. And I said to my brother, I'm like, it dawned on me pretty quickly. That everything in his life, absolutely everything in his life changed in us in a split second, there was nothing the same. When we got there that you know, from the day before, he basically started being a person over again. It was

Hannah 38:02
Yeah, crazy. It is your you have to rebuild yourself. I came, there was one girl from my high school which I went to a tiny Catholic all girls school. So I was also coming from that environment thrown into sort of the college environment where there's like a boy living next door to me. And I have a communal bathroom. And my dinner is in the middle of campus and I have to walk there to get it. Like it was just everything was different.

Scott Benner 38:25
No, I see that. I also see on top of that, like my son is working so hard. They have a scrimmage coming up this weekend. And his whole life is being a star during that scrimmage. He's like if during that scrimmage, then that's how they think of me for the spring and like you could see all this like and and it's and he's a really compassionate kid who sees like, I feel bad for the kids who I don't think have any shot. Like I was like, Oh my god, there's so much going on. You know, like I really just have a podcast and I do the dishes and then I go grocery shopping. Life is actually much easier. But okay, so you're off to college, what were you studying?

Hannah 39:02
I went in a some sort of science major. I don't even know what I thought I wanted. I thought I want to be a doctor like everybody does. And I quickly failed out of chemistry. I do want to draw so that kind of if I couldn't get through that. I couldn't get through a science major. So I was undecided for like a year and a half and then I ended up being a kinesiology major. Is it fair to SPORT SCIENCE?

Scott Benner 39:26
Is it fair to say you didn't like chemistry? Yeah, that's just like That's it? I wish Yeah,

Unknown Speaker 39:31
added to the list. I actually should make a list.

Scott Benner 39:34
But But okay, so how was well at that point? Hmm, five years into your diabetes, were you still you weren't still with your needles in your vitals or were you

Hannah 39:44
know, so when I was in eighth grade, I got the Medtronic pump, which was very quickly life changing. And I learned that I was on the tronic for eight years and then I recently just switched over to teach the TCM with tandem. So bid on a pump,

Scott Benner 40:01
the little flat one the T slim.

Hannah 40:03
Yeah, it has like a screen, a fancy screen and all of that.

Scott Benner 40:07
And so you had a pump you're using were you using the Medtronic CGM?

Hannah 40:13
No, no, I wasn't my dad tried to get me on the Dexcom. Right when it first came out, like the needle was so long it would have freaked anybody out. And when it went in, it was most painful thing ever. And I said, I'm never doing that again. So he really tried. But I said, I'm never doing that again. That is the worst thing. So I think that's why it also took me so long to get on the next Dexcom because I just started using it like two years ago.

Scott Benner 40:39
Okay, so we started the G five. I started the G five. Okay, you still with the 590 of the sex. So my daughter's in high school now. And with high school comes different privileges. Like being able to wander out of a class in the morning, go to the cafeteria and buy yourself some breakfast. And so what young girl wouldn't want to go down and get a big old chocolate chip muffin in the morning. So she sent me a text and said, Dad, I want to go get something to eat. I was like right on go. We made a little bolus based on what her dexcom CGM said her blood sugar was just to get a Pre-Bolus going. And then she got to the cafeteria. She says, I'm gonna get this chocolate chip muffin. How big is it? I asked her? I don't know. It's pretty big. How big? I don't know big. How many carbs does it have? I don't know. It doesn't have a package. So based on historical knowledge that I have my daughter, we bolus amount of insulin that we thought was going to be right for this muffin. But we weren't correct not completely. And soon she needed more insulin. But how did I know that? Because the data coming back from her dexcom CGM showed me a rise in her blood sugar, we were able to cut that rise off and put it to an end, bringing her blood sugar back down to where we wanted it. We did that remotely while she was at school, and I was at home. Because the Dexcom has a share and follow feature that's available for Android and iPhone. It's amazing, right? My daughter got to try a completely new food on her own, she did not have to limit herself. And it didn't drive her blood sugar through the roof. Because we were able to see what direction her blood sugar was moving, and how fast it was going. With the Dexcom g six, I want you to go to dexcom.com Ford slash juice box or click on the links in your show notes to get started today with the Dexcom g six continuous glucose monitor. Your results may vary, but in my opinion, there's nothing better

Unknown Speaker 42:40
than a six. Okay, so

Scott Benner 42:42
you have a good perspective. So from that first Dexcom that you harpooned yourself with those years ago, and you were like, I hate this. And

Unknown Speaker 42:52
so bad, right?

Scott Benner 42:54
And to Now, can you describe to people the difference between the JSX and what you started with, like all those years ago?

Hannah 43:01
I really can't because it was such an awful experience. I only did it once. And I said I'll never do that again. Which I didn't I never let him try to put it off me again. But then I think I started listening to your podcast and like online stuff about how far Dexcom had actually come. So when I got the G five, and I still had my dad helped me put it on. It was like, Oh, that was it. Oh, okay, cool. And then, as you know, you see all these numbers. And it's like, a, it's life changing.

Scott Benner 43:31
And then the six is for you. Do you find it? It's crazy.

Hannah 43:36
Yeah, I can do it myself. So my, I still live at home. So my dad was putting the G five on me every single time I had to do it because I it freaked me out that clicking noise. I couldn't get over it. I can do everything else. But I couldn't get over the sensor, but I really wanted it. So he would do that for me. And now I do it myself which 25 and that's all really proud of it.

Scott Benner 43:56
Well, you should first of all you should and I think that that's amazing that he helped you. And then I think it also proves something that I say here a lot which is something just can't be rushed. Right like, right like I every once in a while. I can feel the internet stares at me, right? Of the marble. You're involved in your daughter's maintenance, like you know, like you hear her moment to moment decisions. What How is she ever going to learn it? And I'm like, what she's gone the same way she learns everything else, like over time. Like, I always think of the kids have this great way at the beginning of the school year, they come home in the first couple of weeks. They're like this math class sucks. I'm not learning anything that teachers bad. And I'm like, Okay, and then at the end of the year, they understand everything that they need to understand for that year. And I always, always ask them, I always stop and point out so remember the beginning of the year you couldn't do this. Yes. I said you can do it now. Right? Do you remember the moment when you learn to do it? And they don't know. I said it took the whole year. It took little moments and little experiences and you know failures. And successes to build up this this new idea in their head. I think diabetes is the same way. I think that I trust that one day Arden's going to just sort of like you did with the needles go, Hey, you know what, I really do know how to do this. Like, it's okay. Like, go ahead, you know, she'll release me, you know, it'll be it'll just be like, go ahead and run around the field till you die, which will probably be like a week and a half, like, there's no way I'll make it much longer, you know, but it's, I think that's the idea that one day, she'll be like, Hey, I really do get this the way you get it now. And let's be done. And, and I and I don't know why there has to be a rush to that. Like, why does it? Why do people say, well, they're 15 they have to know, they're 16 they have to know, like, what's the big deal that you were 23? And you're like, Alright, that I'm gonna pull my pants down now and counting on me because I can't do it yet. And, and look at you like it was the, probably some time and some comfort. But then the technology moved on to a place where you thought okay, well, I can do this myself.

Unknown Speaker 46:00
Yeah, you know, totally can. And I

Scott Benner 46:03
don't see that that's a problem. Like you joked about it, like, Oh, I'm 25. And I'm, I think that's great. I think it's fine. I think if your dad was willing to do it, then he's a great person. And you are too for understanding you needed some help?

Hannah 46:15
Well, yeah, I mean, it worked for me, like at where I am in my life. Like I said, Dexcom is moving on and all of that, and I can move with it. And I actually feel really lucky that he wanted to do that and was like, okay with doing it, because like I said, he has this awful fear of needles. And he never wants to like, oh, man, I don't think I can do it. Like every time he came over work. I'm like, please help me. And he was always there to do it. And I think he's happy to because I don't include him in a lot of diabetes management anymore. So it's like, a little thing we had.

Scott Benner 46:46
Your dad is willing to do anything for you except listen to you and pay you off from college when you're crying on the phone. Yeah, other than that, he's right there.

Hannah 46:53
You'll answer the phone, which he continued to answer the phone. He just wouldn't come get me.

Scott Benner 47:01
Do you think they hung up the phone afterwards? They're like, Oh, this girl. Oh my god. I hope the other two aren't like this.

Hannah 47:07
Well, yes, I'm sure they said that to themselves. But no, my mom was a mess, too. So he was the only like, sane one that could kind of talk us down.

Scott Benner 47:16
I'll tell you right now. It's impressive. Because the other side of it is I we were driving coal to college like I was okay. Like it was a stoic kind of drive like people were. You got there, and you you know, you're making his bed and getting his stuff together and doing all the things he needs to do. And the schools kicking you out a couple of hours, not letting it roll. And we're leaving, and I'm thinking, you know, like, don't be upset, like don't, he doesn't need to feel upset as we're leaving, you know, like, that kind of thing. But still, when I hugged him, I was like, I started off with like, okay, like, we'll be back in a couple weeks for family weekend. And I ended with like, I love you. And we're driving home and I'm doing okay, for like the first 45 minutes. And I'm driving along and then suddenly, an amount of tears that is hard to put into words started. I wasn't crying, but my they were flowing out of my eyes down my cheeks. My, my shirt was wet, like I just want and I wasn't crying. It was just I couldn't stop it. I thought, okay, like, I'm going to stop this, like, I'm going to take a deep breath, and I'm going to stop it. And I went to take a deep breath, and I couldn't even draw an air. And when I try, I started crying. And then I cried for like 20 minutes while I was driving the car, not like not like, Oh, woe is me forehead hand, like, you know, like down south Southern belle crying, but I was just like, like, the whole way. And all I could think was why did I leave in there? Again felt like such a like, I'm like, I knew it was a great situation for him. I know, it was what he was supposed to be doing. But I couldn't get over the feeling that I shouldn't have done it. And then I had two incredibly weird thoughts. The One was that I hadn't done enough for him. Like that I had missed opportunities to make him more prepared for the world couldn't shake that feeling.

Unknown Speaker 49:03
Okay. And then

Scott Benner 49:05
my father who left us when I was 13, I was 13 My brother was eight. My other brother was three, my dad just bailed on us, as well. And all I could think was I don't know how he did that. Like forget the bigger like existential question. I'm like, how did he bring himself to leave? And I thought he must have really not liked us. Because

Unknown Speaker 49:25
that's really bad. I shouldn't have left.

Scott Benner 49:28
Because like, because I couldn't I couldn't fathom how he could have done that. Like no, like, I could barely leave my son in the what is probably the best situation in the world for him where he's completely safe, completely comforted doing things that he loves. And, and yet I felt like I was abandoning him. And I just felt like my dad must have had I'm adopted by the way. I'm proud to say, I'm not I'm not attached to this feeling like through blood, but I thought He must have or lack my father must have had or lacked something in his brain that let him feel that that stopped him because I don't know how he could have done that. It was it was astonishing. But I, my wife's like, do you want me to drive home? Fine. We get home and everybody's all weepy and weird and sort of feels like he died for some reason. Like, it's, you know, it's very strange. And then my wife finally goes, Kelly goes to bed and goes to bed. And I just go in my son's room and sit on the floor and cry for like, an hour. And I've been a stay at home dad for like, 18 years. To be fair, I'm pretty much a lady and a mom. So I'm just like, all broken up and everything. And, and now it's better. It's like five or six weeks later, and I don't cry anymore, and it's fine.

Hannah 50:49
Yeah, no time gives it perspective.

Scott Benner 50:51
But your debt, what I'm saying is your father must have had, that's a ton of resolve. Because if my son started calling me and begging me to come home, I'd be like, see,

Hannah 50:59
I know we made a mistake. Really, he really thought it was like the right thing for me. Like he thought I had made the right decision. He believed it was he thought it wasn't a bad place. Like nothing bad was happening to me. I just felt like I didn't fit in. It was just a lot of things. So I didn't eat. I couldn't eat for like three weeks. It was just yeah, it was traumatic

Scott Benner 51:22
was was any of the I don't fit in feelings stemming from diabetes? Or was it just No,

Hannah 51:27
none more? I've never really had that. Like, problem with diabetes, where I feel like I'm different or outside like, it just kind of is who I am and what college it wasn't a big deal until I wasn't eating and then I was low all the time. And I don't think that helps with like hormones and being in a new place. I think it was just like everything factoring in

Scott Benner 51:47
and did it at any point get I don't want to say better. But did you get accustomed to it? Was it?

Hannah 51:52
Yeah, I definitely adjusted it didn't mean I like wanted to be there what it's made the choice to be there if I if I didn't feel like the pressure to be there. Okay,

Scott Benner 52:02
my own self and kinesiology. So you build connects? Is that what you do?

Unknown Speaker 52:08
kind of similar? That's Yeah.

Unknown Speaker 52:10
Can you explain what that is? It's, it's essentially,

Hannah 52:13
sports science. I did more of like the business side. So it was a business major with an emphasis on sports. So I did the same thing for my masters. And I loved my major, I felt lucky. I like fell into it. And that's kind of when I started finding people with similar interest who likes sport, and it could kind of branch out from there. So it did get better, like a soft fork mid sophomore year. But yeah, it's just interesting.

Scott Benner 52:40
You work in a golf course, I'm assuming telling men why their elbows hurt and things like

Unknown Speaker 52:44
that, or no, I

Hannah 52:45
have nothing to do with golf. I just work on the event side. So we have a pretty nice facility. So I work on like, selling that side of it. And events happening.

Unknown Speaker 52:55
Excellent.

Scott Benner 52:55
That's it's such an interesting path. Right? Like very, like it's it's a it's such a great it's a great example for people like you were like, maybe I'll be a doctor. Yeah, not that well. And you and I would imagine that you felt supported to kind of go on that journey. And

Hannah 53:14
yeah, definitely.

Scott Benner 53:16
I think it's incredibly important, like we let our son is my son is incredibly strong at math. But I just said I'm like you don't have to pick going in just going undecided. Take some basic math classes, take some other stuff and figure out what it is you want to you know where you want to land. I'm like, Listen, don't buy your sophomore year if you don't know him.

Hannah 53:37
I hate that though. Like, why should he at 18 have to figure out where he's gonna land? Like, that's awful.

Scott Benner 53:44
And I'll tell you right now that the recruiting process for sports makes it worse because yeah, 18 it's unreasonable to ask somebody what they want to do for the rest of life. By the way, I think it's unreasonable to ask me what I want to do for the rest of my life. But that's a decision. But when you're recruiting, you start recruiting when you're 16. And coaches will look to you and they go What do you think you want to do at school? And he's like, what? Like, like it was there an answer passed hit a baseball for you because I thought about that and, and we always tried to be very, like, I would always say that to him was like, Look, you don't need to know if these guys ask you just tell them what you're strong at. Like, just don't you don't know. And sometimes those coaches just some of them aren't the most communicative people like they're good at this stuff. They're good. When they spread out to like, Hey, tell me about academics. It's sort of the conversation goes away a little bit. But he was lucky to find a place where, where that's not the case, he found a really good spot to land. So we're proud to talk to coaches, and they're real people and they have like all their thoughts. And there were some places where I was just like, I can't leave my son with you. Like, that's how I felt while I was talking. I was like, do you want him or how much money you're gonna give him. I don't feel comfortable leaving my childhood. Have you?

Unknown Speaker 55:01
Scary? Yeah, it's

Scott Benner 55:02
not the kids thing. Okay? Like, seriously, you're 25? Can I give you some great advice?

Unknown Speaker 55:08
Sure. Don't have kids. I

Scott Benner 55:09
think I've heard this. Don't get married till at least you're 30 because you have no idea who you are and you don't know anything about yourself. And the kids thing is like dogs. They seem like a great idea. But then when they're peeing on the floor, or you realize that you can't even ignore them for like, a day because it's against the law. Like, like, you know, like, when it gets a little cumbersome, anyone can, you know, some point some boy one day is gonna say something to you, and you're gonna be like, Oh, my God, we're gonna have a baby. That's when it's time to run away. But I don't want to adjust your life you do? What do I say live with your parents forever. They're probably thrilled you they're honestly the best. So diabetes, how's it going? Now? Like you're not I mean, now you have CGM, right, you said, You see, I see the data.

Unknown Speaker 55:53
What did you see? And

Scott Benner 55:54
what did you learn from that data for the last two years?

Hannah 55:57
I've learned it's scary to sleep at night and not have anybody check on you. It's actually really scary to think about that. I went so long without it at night. And it's not like I was setting alarm for myself. I didn't have my parents in college. And I was. It's just it's very scary how many times I go low at night. And I wonder how often that happened in the past, and I didn't catch it. Well, with this CGM, now it kind of catches it early. So as soon as it starts, like screeching at me, I wake up in, you know, drink juice or something. But if I go anywhere below, like, 65, that's low for me, and I can feel it. And it's scary. And when I wake up, I'm like, Oh, I know something's wrong. But in the past, I've just slipped through that.

Scott Benner 56:44
So let me get let me flip this around and give you a different perspective on what you just said. So first of all, I completely agree with what you said, it's very scary to look up and go, Oh, my gosh, this is what's been happening. And I had no idea. But here's the silver lining of that. yet. Here you are.

Hannah 57:02
Right, I questioned it. Sometimes. I'm like, how did I? How did I get here? I mean, it's great. Obviously, it's the best part. I'm here. But I, I just wonder what's been happening since 10 years without anything, but no, I

Scott Benner 57:15
absolutely. hear you. But But my point is that sometimes. I have a dual point. I disagree. And I agree with my point, right. So I don't think you should be letting your blood sugar get low overnight. If you can help it. I don't think any

Unknown Speaker 57:29
right.

Scott Benner 57:30
But the fact that it's happened in the past, and you're healthy and alive, also has to bring comfort, it can't just bring fear. Yeah, like it has to bring some comfort. I'm not saying that when your blood sugar goes to 50. You should just be like, hmm, I'm not doing anything about that. Because that probably used to happen all the time. And I'm still fine. Like, that's not the way I'm paying. But it's true. You're right. I've

Hannah 57:49
thought about that. And like, I wonder, like, what is my body fighting it? Like, do I only have so much fight that I use it all up? Like, my fight? worries me,

Scott Benner 57:58
I'm like, Oh, my God. Now I'm weak, because I depend so much on a sensor. So if I lose the signal, like I think about these things, but you should, but that's where the conference should come from. Like, that's where I would tell you that in a couple of, you know, years with more experience. Like the one thing I hear people talk, I'll use this as an example people talk about, like the Dexcom has a two hour warmup period. And people say I'm so lost during that period. It's very scary. And I don't know, I'm like, What did you do before you had it? You lived your whole life without but you didn't know. And now. So now you know what might happen. But the more time you spend with the sensor, the more comfortable you're going to be that you can kind of imagine what is happening. Yeah. And so to kind of dovetail back around to what we talked about the beginning. Before, right before you came on. And we started recording about five or seven minutes before art and told me it was lunchtime, and we gave her an extended bowl was 10 and a half units extended 20% up front, which means about two units went in right away. And we're gonna stretch the rest out of the app over the hour. A few minutes later, as we know, she says, Oh my gosh, I'm completely wrong about when lunchtime is we cancel the extended bolus. I shut her bazel off for like 20 minutes just to sort of, you know, horse trade a little insulin for with those two units that we put in already. She comes back around and everybody heard we bolus that eight or so units instead. And you know what Arden's blood sugar is right now. It's 1055. Right now she has an early lunch today. So she's been in lunch for 25 minutes. Do you have any idea what her blood sugar is?

Hannah 59:29
Probably right around 200, I

Scott Benner 59:31
would guess at six. Oh, that's great at six and it's stable at one point we were 99 diagonal down while you and I were talking. And and and the point is, is that I've seen these things happen so many times. That I can tell you that this is where I expected her blood sugar to be even with all of the mess that was made and all the adjustments in the insulin on and off and all the stuff that we did. This was about my expectation. And there'll be a moment where you in your life, and I think for everybody listening who has you know CGM technology, where you'll have seen it so many times that you can kind of know where your blood sugar is without looking.

Unknown Speaker 1:00:12
And that

Scott Benner 1:00:12
skill should then become comfort while your warmup period is happening. Or if you're 65, when you wake up, and you can think it through for I know, it's got to be tough to wake up and then make decisions about your health. Like, can you tell me a little bit about that before I go on? Like, what's it like to be zapped out of sleep and then suddenly having to make good decisions about that stuff? Here's a great decision that you will not regret dancing for diabetes.com dancing the number for diabetes.com find them online, find him on Facebook, check him out on Instagram.

Hannah 1:00:54
I mean, I would say I don't always make great decisions. At that point. I usually just my hand springs out, I grabbed the juice box I down it and I'm not good at this. I probably shouldn't. But I sometimes don't even wait up to see if it's like going up. I mean, I drink the juice box. So I know it will. But usually then I'm just back to sleep if I can. So for me, it's very quick. I just, that's literally all I do.

Scott Benner 1:01:17
And I would imagine that's what most people do. That it's you're trying to like it's it's parents who have that different perspective. It's somebody right and care of somebody else who has a different perspective. Like you're like, Okay, well, now I'm awake, I'm aware of might have what might happen. So I'll just answer my emails or like, listen to some music or something, I'll stay up for 20 minutes to check. And that becomes problematic, because most of the times you stay up and then what you expect to happen happens and you realize, well, I could have gone back to sleep. Right? And instead now you're wide awake. And it's three o'clock in the morning. You're like, Oh my god, what's going on? But I was just thinking Moreover, like, to me it's like the idea of like, if I walked up to you, punched you in the side of the head and then asked you like an algebra problem.

Hannah 1:02:05
Yeah, that's, that's fair. But it's also because we've done it so many times. I think you kind of lose the shock. Except for the sound that my phone makes this awful, awful sound for low blood sugar and I cannot. I can change it but nothing else will wake me up. But I spring out of bed like my head hits the ceiling. It's so scary. And it's it's good because literally any other ringtone will not wake me up. So for me beep slow alarm, though. Ah, yeah, I think it is that one where it's like screeching

Unknown Speaker 1:02:40
give it Dad Dad, Dad Dad like that one.

Hannah 1:02:43
More than four though. Words like six.

Scott Benner 1:02:47
Okay. Okay.

Hannah 1:02:48
Is that one we're trending down with the arrow?

Scott Benner 1:02:51
I don't know the one. That's the one that's basically you can hear in the tone. Oh my god, you're going to die. Please do. Wow.

Hannah 1:02:57
Yes. And it's awful. But it's the only thing that gets me up. So I'm awake. And I know I am and I've also slept I have slept through that. Which is like a it freaks me out. But I can. Yeah, my mom was petting my dog. Like I know. Okay, I'm like, leave me alone.

Scott Benner 1:03:13
Just want to sleep. Hey, wait, Is this it?

Unknown Speaker 1:03:15
Yeah, but

Hannah 1:03:17
yeah, that's it, but I swear there's like extra beats at the end. But it can just mean like, going off or

Scott Benner 1:03:24
does your mom's beep to?

Hannah 1:03:26
No, God? No, I don't share any data with any of them. Okay,

Scott Benner 1:03:29
I was gonna say like, is it echoing from like, other parts of that house? I just by the way, I just you, you can make this do this. So I just pushed the button.

Hannah 1:03:36
Yeah, I figured.

Scott Benner 1:03:38
Yeah, um, Lady sex. But, but so you don't share your data, your data?

Unknown Speaker 1:03:43
I don't? How come?

Hannah 1:03:45
I don't share it with anybody. I don't. I don't want to depend on them. And I also like, I don't want them to know what my blood sugar is. Because I'm like, mean, or something. I was like, your blood sugar's high. And I'm like, leave me alone. Like you don't know my life. But she's usually right. So I just don't want to like give her that satisfaction that she's right.

Unknown Speaker 1:04:02
If that makes sense. Not only does it make sense, but you don't

Scott Benner 1:04:05
know my life just jumped ahead. hates everything.

Hannah 1:04:12
That's that's my life. But I don't. I guess for me, it's weird. It would be weird for them to have that data on their phone. Like it. It doesn't feel like a bad idea. But to me, that's not

Unknown Speaker 1:04:24
going to be helpful to me and your relationship though. We die. Right?

Unknown Speaker 1:04:27
True. Right?

Scott Benner 1:04:28
They've always just sort of been in the background being like a you can do it.

Unknown Speaker 1:04:32
And yeah, exactly.

Scott Benner 1:04:34
That Do you think if you got into a situation Do you think you could reach out to them if it happened, like say you were out going away for business for a couple of nights? And you were like, Look, Mom, I'm gonna be by myself in a hotel room. So I'm gonna, I'm gonna let you share my data. But please, I just want to hear from you. If I get below this.

Hannah 1:04:54
I guess I could. I've never really haven't thought about it like that. My parents are gone a lot like they travel and they go My sister's in college and stuff like that. So I am home alone often, which does give me a little anxiety because I've never lived alone. There's always been. I've had roommates, and then I moved home. So I've, there's always been somebody around. So I mean, I actually really liked that idea I've never really thought about is more short term as opposed to long term sharing. Yeah,

Scott Benner 1:05:21
that's interesting. I mean, I, I've said a number of times here like the, you know, everything we talk about is, you know, with the caveat that I'm helping our dinner that I'm around, or I'm watching and for, for adults who do live by themselves, that adds a level, I would think of anxiety that I can't in any way understand like it. Yeah, must be, it must borderline on crippling at times.

Hannah 1:05:45
Yeah, it's not something that I'm interested in, obviously, like approaching right now. And it does give me anxiety to even think about it. Where do you try to keep your blood sugar?

Scott Benner 1:05:53
What's your goal?

Hannah 1:05:55
I would say like, 8085 is like my long term goal. But I've found I mean, each like I said, each chapter of my life has brought different struggles with blood sugar. And I've also had different ideas of where I want that blood sugar to stay. And right now where I am with work, for me, it's hard because I have a lot of client visits. So like, mid client visit, if I'm feeling low, or friend, no, I'm spiking, like, it's not like you can just be like, Hey, sorry, like, I have a low blood sugar. I'm gonna go, like drink some juice, you know, like I have to, I'm still figuring out how that looks, right? Yeah, it's just a weird thing, where I'm not always at my desk, or I'm not always on my phone, which is where my blood sugar where my Dexcom is

Scott Benner 1:06:40
due. So do you live in a world where you're standing around an event table or something and trying to sell somebody on coming in and using the guy's space or something like that's just what I'm assuming you're talking about? You got like a little vibration on a watch on a phone and you you look down and saw that your blood sugar was heading up? Do you think if you could bolus through your phone, and know why you would do that, then

Hannah 1:07:04
100% i've i've actually like, I don't think about it often. But more than once I've thought about it that it'd be so much easier to act like I'm texting somebody and like, be texting my phone, or not text my phone, texting my pump as to what to do as opposed I wear my pump. And so it's connected by tube. And I wear it in my bra like right between the middle like that's where it stays every day. That's like where my comfort places. So to pull it out, it's a little bit awkward, because I'm like, reaching into my shirt to pull my pump out. Yes, I see. So for me, that's all also awkward. So it's not like I would do that in front of a client, like pull that out. Correct. And then like shove it back in. So

Scott Benner 1:07:45
when I'm doing the army, my dad's and sometimes I'm like, you don't have to stuff it in your bra or like your you write your cargo when

Hannah 1:07:51
I thought about it, and I just got a new pump in January. So I had the team for four years, and I had to make my decision about where I was going next. And like I was considering all options, because I'm super open. I'm not like sold on one way or the other. And I'd heard all about your Omni pod. But for me it just like the Dexcom is enough to get questions about. I feel like nothing, I have to hide it but it's much easier to like conceal my pump and my pump site. And I just that Omni pod is so big. So that's just my hesitation. I don't want that on my arm. And then I get all these questions, which isn't a big deal, but I think I'm over it.

Scott Benner 1:08:30
Yeah. There's like in her on her stomach or her leg? I can't remember the last time she put it on her arm actually, okay, years and years. But I hear I hear what you're saying. Like, like, there's only so much bandwidth you have for explaining what something is to somebody.

Hannah 1:08:44
Yeah. And I like to explain like, I think it's great to educate somebody on on what this is what this disease is. But it's just not something I want in my everyday life.

Scott Benner 1:08:54
Yeah, Oh, absolutely. Hear that, I think to the AMI pod just is about to release, the controller that now will die. I heard that word fun. And I think that's a big deal. Because I didn't I don't always you can't think of everybody's perspective. And like you just gave me one that's different than mine. You know. And so I'm like, Wow, that's so interesting. And I and now I'm thinking that thing that looks more like a phone that is more valuable for someone like you and then what happens when all your data is together and on that little thing is right, next commit information and your ability to Bolus and I'm like, Oh, the future is is going to fix so many issues for so many different people. Right? Like I just it's exciting that it's it's coming faster.

Hannah 1:09:34
It is actually it's a really exciting it was so I felt so stuck in the past like in high school and college like, this is what I'm resigned to this is how it's going to be and then with the Dexcom it's just brought so much light to managing the disease that I'm excited for what comes next.

Scott Benner 1:09:51
I think it's important to stay open minded to advancements because you just don't definitely don't want to be the person who looks up in a decade. Like, Oh, I didn't know anybody was doing this, you know, which,

Hannah 1:10:03
yeah, to bring this back round. So my mom was recently diagnosed and she is 100% against anything with technology. She doesn't want to hear it. So she does 10 soli, I've like tried to talk her into letting me put a dexcom honor. I've tried to like educate her more on the pump, because I've always managed my diabetes with the pump. So she's not super educated on it. But I've like, I've tried to talk to her about the stuff and she is so against it. Let me be sad for her. But she's also 53 now and like she has to make her own decisions about handling this disease. And it's different, but it's very frustrating. Do you think you could get her to listen to Ryan's episode and then his mom's episode? Probably? Yeah, I think she would be open to it.

Scott Benner 1:10:50
I can see how that would change her. How our help how soon How long since she's been diagnosed?

Hannah 1:10:58
Two years ago in November,

Scott Benner 1:10:59
so she's pretty far into it.

Hannah 1:11:01
Yeah, she's not It wasn't like it was last month or anything like, now, she's got it down to actually doing really well with the pens and just the meter. But I just feel like, I know there's so much more for her that would help her manage the disease. So for me, it's just frustrating that she's not 100% open to it.

Unknown Speaker 1:11:22
I'm telling you right now,

Scott Benner 1:11:22
you don't even like your mom's reaction to her diabetes.

Hannah 1:11:25
I know. Right? Can you believe it?

Scott Benner 1:11:27
You and I would be together. I know. It's creepy, cuz I'm like 20. But we would just sit around and complain about things all day, and we'd be so happy.

Hannah 1:11:35
No, it's really who I am, though. It's my truth tellers.

Scott Benner 1:11:40
I'm so I'm so thrilled that because you let me say we're way past an hour, but I used up a bunch of time in the beginning. So I don't care. But. But it's interesting, because if people really listened to you, you're like, I don't really like this. I don't like this. But you're very upbeat, happy person. Yeah, just have definite opinions about some things.

Hannah 1:11:58
Again, very, very opinionated.

Scott Benner 1:12:01
It's amazing, too. I like that a lot. I take back wanting I like I take back wanting to be coupled with you. Because I know eventually, you would have opinions about me. And I'd be like, Oh, God,

Hannah 1:12:11
I know. That's kind of scary. That's true. Do you are you are you dating? Um, no, not currently. Mm hmm. Yeah, I say I mean, to me, I, I feel like this disease also brings a next layer for that, where and I see it online. Like, it's also amazing what Instagram can do with like, what people post about their lives. And I followed moms of type one diabetics, I follow people who are the same age as me. And I see that and I see some of them who are married, or have that boyfriend and it's kind of like, they understand it. Yeah. Like, I've seen him get up with them in the middle of the night and that sort of thing. So for me, like, it just adds a whole nother layer to dating.

Scott Benner 1:12:52
And have you dated people where it hasn't gone? Well?

Hannah 1:12:55
No, it's never been no, it's never been like a bad thing. But I've also it's more felt like, Oh, they don't fully understand it.

Scott Benner 1:13:02
And then do you not want to bring them into the understanding? Are you doing they don't want to come in or what you're finding then?

Hannah 1:13:08
I don't know. I I am kind of that person where I'm like, I can do it myself. So I'm not gonna bring you in. But I've tried to make that extra effort to bring them in. I don't know. wrong person. No, I

Scott Benner 1:13:24
I Can I see it? Like I can't imagine like, I always tell people when you find somebody like there's good people on before who like help their spouses.

Unknown Speaker 1:13:32
Yeah, like, those

Scott Benner 1:13:33
are special people. Like, that's amazing. I know. I've also talk to people like I listen, my wife's not involved in this. This is my thing. I have it. My husband's not involved with it. Everyone has their own feelings about it, which are all incredibly valid. But I was just wondering for you, like does it actually make, so you don't like think about dating and then think, oh, I don't want to get involved in this because of my diabetes. Is

Unknown Speaker 1:13:55
that No,

Hannah 1:13:56
no, that I've never had that.

Scott Benner 1:13:58
Yeah. Okay. Well, you're not gonna meet a lot of young guys at a golf course. That's a

Unknown Speaker 1:14:03
zero. Yeah,

Scott Benner 1:14:04
you'd be like, you're gonna come home tonight. Like, oh, guys, Montana, my friend. He's 16.

Hannah 1:14:11
You don't even know how accurate that honestly is. I was like, find a cute boy. I'm like, You don't understand. None of them are under the age of like, 50. And they don't work. And like it's just really funny.

Scott Benner 1:14:27
To answer your mom with everything, when she says find a cute boy, you should go get a C jam. That'd be a good one go back and forth about this for quite some time. But at the same time, I'm about to have, you know, we have people on a lot who use, you know, injections don't have technology, and are doing are doing very well too. But I think you your perspective is like mine where you got a CGM, and then you were like, oh, gosh, here's all the things that were happening. I didn't know were happening. I wonder what else was happening that I didn't know what was happening then you must meet your mom. thing I wonder what's happening to her that we don't know

Hannah 1:15:02
I do. I really do wonder sometimes, um, but like, I totally make guesses. And I also don't want to interfere on her handling it but like, she never could fully understand what a low blood sugar was like when I was growing up, and I'd be like, disoriented and shaking all that and she just could never, like, totally figure it out. So when with her experiencing it, it was like, a whole new light. And now she's like, and I'm like, see, now you know how I feel. And I just like it's so nice to not nice, because obviously, I would never wish that on her on anybody. But for her to realize those high blood sugars Yeah, and being short, but it's also I can't help it like I'm no, the best they can

Scott Benner 1:15:42
change is the makeup of how your brain works when your blood sugar. So sure, yeah. And there's only so much I was novo had these glasses that I think they gave to doctors offices that kind of mimic a low blood sugar. And I got to put them on in a room with some people who had diabetes, some people like yeah, it gets doing a good job of mimicking it. But still, it doesn't give you the it doesn't give you the actual physiological right, like issues. I like that you said it was nice that she knows now because I completely understand what you mean. Like it is It'd be great if if everyone with diabetes could snap their fingers and give their loved ones or their family like a real perspective.

Hannah 1:16:22
For like a second of healing a low blood sugar because it's Yeah, it's just such a unique experience.

Scott Benner 1:16:27
Yeah, no, I just there's times when you see it happening to someone and and I've seen that happen to Arden where I like it's all you can do to like stop yourself from just being overwhelmed by sadness that you feel for them. Because Yeah, it's it's such a I don't know. It's it's just such a helpless thing to watch somebody else go through.

Hannah 1:16:48
Yeah, and I can Well, I can because I see my mom now but not so much helpless. But like looking from the outside in it must be so weird to see somebody, like overtaken by that. I don't know it's so weird, are overtaken by it.

Scott Benner 1:17:04
What is success look like moving forward with for you with Ivy's like what do you? What are you hoping to accomplish in the coming weeks and months? Where are you going with all this?

Hannah 1:17:14
I mean, short term, my goal is always to keep my blood sugar more and like I said that 85 range. But long term for me is just moving along with the technology. I'm so thankful for what I have now. But like I said, a little while ago, I I just can't wait to see where it goes. And sometimes I get antsy. And I'm like, why can't it just happen now, but like the G six and things like that help make it easier to keep a positive, positive outlook on it.

Scott Benner 1:17:41
Yeah, if it helps you at all, I and I just said this to somebody recently, but it won't be on the podcast for a long time. The sorry, everybody I recorded ahead. I'm not apologizing for that. I that the frequency in which things are getting better, is so incredibly sped up over how it was even five or six years ago, definitely over a decade ago, it used to be Oh, someone came out with a new meter, this is very exciting. And then nothing would happen for a year and a half. And then somebody Oh, we have a new meter too. And I'm like, and, and like this is it like that was how technology grew. And all of a sudden, and I do I do credit Dexcom with it, because I think Dexcom came into the space. And they were like, we're gonna keep advancing this stuff quickly. Yeah, it pushed everyone else to do it along with them. And now you're getting, hey, you know, from all these companies, like we have, you know, low bazel suspend we have, you know, or low IQ, whatever the tandem calls that thing. And then we're trying to get this thing on the pots coming out with a horizon and the dash is coming and you know, it's stuffs happening really quickly. And some of its incredibly valuable. So I think you're going to get your wish, I think in the next couple of years, things are going to be I know people with diabetes are used to hearing this is going to get cured in five years. I'm not talking, right. Nobody's caring nothing, as far as I can tell. But right. But what I do think is that these advancements are coming. And they're they're not just little advancements anymore. They're dying. They're giant leaps. So it's very exciting time you got you got diabetes at just the right time.

Hannah 1:19:19
before and the after.

Scott Benner 1:19:20
Yeah, yeah, because you're before it's not terrible. And you're gonna be amazed at least you're not like, I used to have to pee on the thing and set it on fire and then we shoot to the moon and when it comes back, you had your budget, because you know that, but at the same time, you're gonna have a really good perspective. You don't need a number of years. So Well, thank you very much for coming on.

Unknown Speaker 1:19:44
Thank you.

Scott Benner 1:19:47
I want to thank Hannah for not hating the Juicebox Podcast hates everything else but she loves the show. I appreciate her coming on and sharing her story and having this long and fantastic chat with me. I also appreciate the patronage Dancing for diabetes.com on the pod and Dexcom can go to my on the pod.com forward slash juicebox dexcom.com forward slash juicebox dancing the number for diabetes.com. Or you can go to Juicebox podcast.com. And all the links are right there. You know where else the links are, in your show notes, your podcast player, I had planned on sharing some exciting news about something that's coming up really soon on the podcast with you right here. But this episode was already much longer than you're normally used to. So you're probably have other things to go get ready for. I'll just tell you next week, it's not a big deal. You'll find out then how do you keep a podcast listener in suspense?

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