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Scott Benner 0:00
Hello and welcome to Episode 190 of the Juicebox Podcast. Today we're sponsored by Dexcom Omni pod and dancing for diabetes. Please go to dexcom.com forward slash juicebox. Dancing the number four diabetes.com or my omnipod.com forward slash juicebox To find out more about the sponsors. Okay, today's episode is with Jessica. Jessica is a nurse and she's a D mom. And she's really chatty. So she's perfect for the podcast. And we talk a lot about management ideas today. That's why today's episode is called stopping the arrows. Please remember that nothing you hear on the Juicebox Podcast should ever be considered advice, medical or otherwise, always consult a physician before being bold with insulin.

Guys, if you just give me one second, I promised a shout out Libby rose in the United Kingdom. She's six years old, has had Type One Diabetes for a year and she listens to the podcast with her dad. Hi, Libby rose. Hope you have a great day.

Jessica 1:17
I'm Jessica, I guess. Yeah, I'm Jessica. I'm a nurse. I'm a labor and delivery nurse. So I knew very little about diabetes before Type One Diabetes before my son was diagnosed.

Scott Benner 1:29
And how old was your son when he was diagnosed?

Jessica 1:31
He was eight, almost nine and now he's nine. So it was about 10 months ago.

Scott Benner 1:36
Okay, so you're not even quite up to a year now. Okay. And I'm trying to decide if I'm what people okay. So talk to how to tell people how we met.

Jessica 1:49
Oh, I think I just started messaging you over Instagram. Because I just, I was so sick of struggling to find answers. That I thought warrants. We don't curse BS. Right. Right. Um, because I, I remember, I got home from the hospital. And all the overwhelming parts of it sort of settled? I mean, no, I mean, I'm still overwhelmed, but you know, kind of settled. And, and I thought, What does a normal blood sugar look like? You know, in a child of my son's age who's not diabetics, and I typed that into Google, and I couldn't even get an answer for that.

Scott Benner 2:30
Um, that was pretty disturbing. Right off the bat, like, I don't even know what to aim for.

Jessica 2:36
Exactly. And I knew that what they were telling me to aim for, just in set sit right with me. But I didn't have the information behind those feelings to tell them I don't agree with you. It was just sort of a gut and that didn't feel you know, I like if I'm gonna start arguing with somebody cuz I'm actually not very confrontational. So if I'm gonna start arguing something I need to feel like 100% correct. And, and so I didn't, I didn't know. I felt sort of lost because the information I was getting felt like it had good intentions, but it felt like, like, Bs, and and and when I tried to find information that sat right with me, I couldn't find it. Until I found your podcast.

Scott Benner 3:21
Well, that's so both. So when you are out in the world, like basically, someone would say, I think, you know, I keep my kids blood sugar at this number. I aim for this, then people all had different target numbers.

Jessica 3:32
Um, yeah, for the most part, but they were, they were just high and it didn't feel right. Like, somebody told my husband to set his pie at 250 and his low at 80. Because you can have my son's alarming because that way, he can have a warning before it hits 70 because 70 the world and the world is ending, you know? So I was like, No, no, now are high. I knew what you're gonna say you didn't even I didn't even let you get the whole question.

Scott Benner 4:06
So, so let's for the people listening now, like Jessica and I spoke on the phone a couple of times. And Jessica is, Jess, you are, I mean to call you chatty, I think would be an undervalued ability to talk. Right? So there are a couple of people. I it doesn't happen very often to me where I stand in a room and I think I can't get a word in here. But don't be sorry. It just definitely is I've been on the phone with Jess and she's talking and I think to myself, is it necessary that I'm here and but but that's good for this because you will not be at a loss for what you for what you think or how you feel. So that's so anyway, guys, you'll probably hear me talk less or I'll be just as already asked me to throw up a stop sign if I feel like she's getting it. Yeah. So So okay, so we did talk on the phone a couple of times. And I think that the first time for anybody who's ever called privately, I think that what I do is I try to in about 20 minutes, give you what I think is like a high level kind of overview of all the things that we talked about on the podcast. But I try really hard to leave people that I speak with privately with a couple of ideas. hyzer more difficult to deal with. And those are, you know, that you should set if you have a DAX Kami to set your high threshold lowers that you can react sooner that, you know, you need to make small adjustments to insulin whenever you can, because large adjustments end up with lows later and like just these little things, but I try to do it kind of conversationally, and at the same time, I never know, if it's actually valuable for the person I hear back from a lot of people were like, Oh, this has been great. So I kind of think it is. But even as I'm saying, and I think this is a lot of information in a short amount of time. So after we spoke on the phone, did you do it? Was it helpful at all? But

Jessica 5:55
yes, it was so helpful. Because I had those thoughts already. And that's just, you know, no, but but I did, but nobody was supporting them. And so to have your support just gave me the confidence to stand up to my husband who came over to the site this side very quickly, but or to feel confident walking into the endocrinologist office, you know, being able to defend, you know, what they were seeing on our graphs or whatever? Or, or even just to friends who have some children with type one or or friends who don't, you know, who were asking me to educate them. And I felt like Who am I to educate them on one kid? But then I felt like, wait, I know, more solid, yeah, I felt more solid in the things I thought I knew. Because Because you backed me up. So

Scott Benner 6:51
there's two thoughts. And there's one that it is really important for somebody to, you know, kind of echo your, your feelings. Because when you have a feeling about something that you have no basis of understanding for, even though you're you start thinking, you know, I'm seeing this day after day, this makes sense to me, it still is hard to stand up and count yourself as a, you know, for somebody who really knows, and right. And so that's where that really kind of like simple concept that we talked about on the podcast all the time, but you just have to at some point, you have to trust your gut. Like, you know, something makes sense to you, you have to trust that at the same time. The other thing I heard was your husband bumped into somebody who told them 70 to 250. This is the range at 80 to 250. This is the right, yeah. And so and so that's what he heard first. And I think that's maybe, to me, the most important thing about getting good information out quickly, is that the earlier in your diagnosis, you hear good information, that becomes your rule. You know what I mean? So So if someone hits you first with, hey, just try to keep them between 102 50 then you think, Oh, well, then that must be good. That must be okay. Someone just told me that I related very simply to the idea of, you know, we don't use no valade. But when we were when my daughter was diagnosed, we were given no vlog in the hospital. And in my mind, that's what insulin was. It did not occur to me to wonder if there were other insulins I just was like, Oh, this is insulin, the hospital gave it to me. Uh huh. You know, so I think that's important that, that for people to hear that if you do hear kind of good information up front, that can kind of be your frame of reference. And so when you have that frame of reference, what did you do with it? Today, when you're sitting at your desk, and you're kind of zoning out and don't know what to do, and you're just looking for a little break, but you need to look like you're still working? You know what I'm talking about? Go to dancing for diabetes.com. That's dancing, the number four diabetes.com See if little kids with diabetes, dancing doesn't pick your right back up and give you enough energy to get through the day. The frame of reference for like, Hey, I should be a little more aggressive with insulin. I shouldn't be scared of this. I tried it like when you when once you had this? Isn't the comfort what how did you react in in your son's? Oh,

Jessica 9:05
well, first of all, I went from being terrified and freaking out and feeling and that's not my personality. I mean, I definitely have some, some I'm high strung, but I don't have anxiety. It's weird. I'm just hyper, you know. And I became like, anxious, like, I had anxiety for the first time. And I went from that to feeling less scared and feeling more empowered. And, and that was a huge step in taking care of Ty was feeling and for him even to have confidence in me. You know that that? And, and so yes, I was bolder. I love that word. By the way. I was bolder with the insulin. I was. And we were doing MDI forever and we just started our pump two weeks ago, but we were bolder, we experimented and I told him, you know, we're not perfect. diabetes can be unpredictable, and even You know, his activity level or whatever can be unpredictable. But every time that something doesn't go the way we want it, we're just going to learn from it, it's going to become part of our arsenal of weapons against this disease. And, and that was another obviously another philosophy I learned from you, that really was hugely beneficial as well, because then we didn't expect things, we didn't expect to have things go wrong, but when they did, we didn't feel defeated, or, or we didn't take them as the setbacks to then go back to not being bold with the insulin, we just used them as, like, as new information that will make us even better later on. And, and so, so empowered, even by our own mistakes, we're being empowered, you know, and, and just learning all the time and, and, and taking not taking risks. But following our guide, and not being afraid to and knowing that we know how to get out of the lows and get out of the highs, and it'll be all right, and we'll just be better for it. Because we'll have learned,

Scott Benner 11:06
I have to say that in almost 200 recordings, you're the first person to use the word philosophy. And I was like, Oh, that's like, that's fancy. I'm gonna think of that better now. We'll have to say now that nothing you hear on the Juicebox Podcast should be considered philosophy. But, but I'm glad that I'm especially striking to me, is the idea of you not being afraid, because I genuinely believe that that's, that's step one. That when you're afraid, everything else we talked about becomes difficult or impossible, because you're always second guessing, erring on the side of caution doing things like that. And you also said that it gave your son the confidence in you that you know what you're talking about. And I think that's undervalued, too, because kids aren't stupid. And when you're faking it, they can figure that out a little bit, you know, and so it is, it is a big deal for them to believe in you. Absolutely. You know what I mean? So and you can't, you can't give off that vibe if you don't genuinely have it. Right. Like, I'm sure there's some people are pretty good actors, but

Jessica 12:13
I'm terrible, terrible, terrible, liar. Awful.

Scott Benner 12:16
I love. I love that you described yourself as high strung. Now I just think of like a cat with not all of its hair. And

Jessica 12:25
it's more, um, I have ADHD. So it's more like an add sort of,

Unknown Speaker 12:30
I don't know, no, no, no, I

Scott Benner 12:31
definitely get what you're saying. Like there's a, if there's a way to be excitable, or, you know, even scattered without being anxious. And anxiety is terrible. Like, I've, I didn't know you were going to bring that up. But I've been thinking about that a lot, the last couple of days, because I was talking to somebody who brought it up, you know, about like, my anxiety, my anxiety, and here I am a person, I don't feel that way. I don't have anxiety, like there's strife or turmoil, and I'm just like, I can see the path to how this works out. So I don't, I don't worry about the other stuff. And, and I tried to say that on here in the past is like, you know, the concept that like, worrying is a waste of your imagination, because you really don't know what's gonna happen in the future. And to pretend that you do, you know, to make a worry in yourself is really just putting something into the future. I mean, if you're going to make something up, you should make up something fun, not not not worrisome that I get that there are some things that are more tangible than others, you know, you know, insulin is dangerous, you know, I understand worrying about that, but not to the point where it causes me anxiety or that but, but that's not everyone's reality, some people are just anxious.

Jessica 13:46
Now, yeah, like, you just get caught in this loop of, I don't know, like negativity, you know, just, oh, you know, this happened to my family, and we got to live with it for a whole the rest of our lives, and then just that thought then goes into it, and oh, you know, all these, these terrible things could happen, and then you just sort of get more and more negative. And so then my usual, high strung sort of just happy, I mean, people used to laugh at me like that I live in this little bubble, you know, of, you know, just I was always like seeing the bright side, even like, as a nurse, you know, all my patients are so sweet and so great. And my friends or my colleagues are like, not all your patients can be that great. We've had some really, you know, and I'm the best in them. I was always like, the cup is half full, like the bright side kind of person. And and this happened. And so all that energy sort of became more negatively.

Scott Benner 14:42
You know, your baseline for expectation. Yeah, something bad's gonna happen.

Jessica 14:46
Yeah, yeah. And, and so, yeah, I sort of just snapped out of that recently, and it just feels it feels so good. And yeah, and part of that is I was getting Tyler his pump that just felt like a huge win, because we fought hard for that. And, and yeah, just feeling more empowered, like really just feeling like, you know, we, we can take this on and and we'll we'll be we'll be good at it, we'll be great at it, you know, we'll just make a positive thing.

Scott Benner 15:17
Yeah, it's interesting how you just put that idea of getting a pump is empowering just because you won the battle not so much about having an insulin pump, but about setting out to take something about diabetes and and kind of slay it and beat it. So do when you ask for a pump initially, did

Jessica 15:32
they tell you you know, kind of Yeah, I mean, you just got this look of I don't know if you're ready kind of thing. Because Tyler, when I asked for it, his insulin requirements were very small. And I was told I think he was on at the time four units of the long acting of basic bar. And they're like, I think he should be he needs to be on at least five in order to get a pump. And and that didn't make any sense to me. Because with a pump you you don't even you can turn off your Faisal, you don't

Scott Benner 16:06
even know you spoke up and you push through with your with your endo, you've you forced their hand.

Jessica 16:14
Um, I tried to it didn't work. I tried to I found so well, I convinced the endo, we were ready for the pump. And then I think that that I want that little battle I won. So then the nurse educators were like, okay, but then you need to wait for a class to open up, they do these pump classes. And I'm like, why do I need a pump class? I've been doing so much research, and I've been listening and and and i also have this amazing friends that we made through my son's a part of trial of, of a study trying to not through chat. Well, they're related. I think it's at the Diabetes Research Institute in Miami.

Scott Benner 17:03
Oh, cool. I'm speaking at a thing that I think is benefiting them in April.

Unknown Speaker 17:08
Oh, really? Cool. Yeah. No, I'm

Scott Benner 17:10
there. I'm using I'll be in Orlando. And I think the I think the proceeds from that go to the ri Yeah,

Unknown Speaker 17:16
I'm pretty sure. Oh, it's

Jessica 17:18
an interesting place. Um, maybe I want to work there one day. I'm hoping well, so

Scott Benner 17:21
I so I just I just got a note yesterday from Robert. And Robert listens to the podcast. And he went to his, you know, went to his son's endo, and said, We want to get a pump. And they said, Well, you know, you can't have a pump until you've had diabetes for six months. And he said, that doesn't sound right to me. And I said I would just I would just go around them. And he immediately did he called the pump company that he wanted to use. And he said, I want to get started on trying to get my son an insulin pump. And my doctor's office is being resistant, and they're gonna help. Oh, really? Yeah. Because it's, I mean, it's tough. It's a leap, because then you're, you know, you're gonna drive a wedge a little bit between what your doctor told you and this, but he's just not willing to wait. So he's gonna try it on his own. I can even just it's, it's, listen, it's an arbitrary thing. Six months? What does that mean? Why six months? Why not? Seven? How come that four months? Why is it not nine months? Like, what is the? What's the, you know? What is that?

Jessica 18:20
What does that mean? And what's the premise? Yeah, is it because they want you to learn insulin through injections first, or? Or? I don't even understand what what what do they think is? Is the value? What are they looking for? Take away the number. What are they looking for?

Scott Benner 18:38
I am not I am at a loss for understanding because people will advocate for it like, Oh, you should have to do it with injections. First, I don't know what the difference is between how the insulin gets in my body? Why is it different? Because I push it a needle or I push on a button. It's

Jessica 18:51
still anything. I'm learning more about insulin, nowadays a pump than I did with injections. If it was just, it was Yeah, I

Scott Benner 19:00
think that there are like sort of some old timey concepts that we hold on to a little too long. And you know, you need to understand how to manage diabetes with a needle before you can do it with a pump. I get the over arching ideas of like, you know, well, what if your pump fails? What are you gonna do then? Like, I probably have them FedEx me a new pump. And

Unknown Speaker 19:22
you know, when you reach that, and plus,

Scott Benner 19:24
yes, then I would have to figure that out. And so why do I have to do it for I mean, you know, for six months or a year, some places say a year, if then for a year before, before, we'll let you think about a pump. It just seems arbitrary to me. If you're really I think when you're ready, you're ready. And yeah, you know, so I don't know why. I don't know why you have to follow the rules of when somebody else's ready. If I'm ready in three months, then I'm ready. Now if it's if it's two weeks, then I'm ready now like what's the point? I don't know.

Jessica 19:55
This animal Yeah, on that, you know, just and then these classes these classes were

Scott Benner 20:00
Well, I just saw someone on Facebook this morning say, hey, my pump arrived at my house, should I just go on YouTube and watch a video and start using it? I was thinking, yeah, you should do that. It's just, it's funny too, because there are different like their brains that work different ways like yours, or the this person I saw on Facebook this morning, like, I've got it, I should start. And then you see other people that before they even have it, they're like, um, could you please list all the things that could possibly go wrong? I'm like, Wow, that's a weird way to think about this. But okay, you know, like, like, so I want to know, everything that could go wrong, or, you know, what, what are the pros and cons of this is like, I, you know, all you're inviting is for people to come on and tell you their problems. And I hate to say, but a lot of problems with anything, forget insulin pumps, it's a lot of times, it's just user error, it's your inability to understand and the only way you're really gonna understand that is to do it a couple of times, you know, so it's, it's interesting, but moreover, that people's minds are like, please, someone tell me what's gonna go wrong. So I don't have to worry where other people think, I can't wait to do this to see what can go right. It is really just a mind get on me.

Jessica 21:10
I do I met and that's where I was at, I was like, I just can't wait to get my hands on it and just start doing things and learning just like before, when we would do things, and if mistakes happened, or it didn't go right, then we would just learn and that's a good thing. You know, I don't need a class, I'm just gonna, you know, I'll read the manual, or whatever, I don't I never, I'll fumble through it. And, and I'll, you know, shoot ideas off my husband and even my son Tyler. And and we'll figure it out. You know, and, and I got to tell you, they're very well intentioned, but I didn't learn anything. I didn't learn anything from that those pump classes and, and they really were just, they were detrimental, I think to my Tyler because they were Monday nights after school from for four hours. So we had to pick him up from school, drop my other two kids off at my sister's and then spend four hours in a windowless room

Scott Benner 22:08
for how many how many Monday nights did this go on for?

Jessica 22:11
That was three Monday through Monday night. 12 hours? Yeah, and no. And then a Tuesday, all day? Well, it was with me all day. But it was I would say I was like probably another four or five hours.

Scott Benner 22:21
So 1617 hours to learn how to use a pump.

Jessica 22:25
But we didn't, but we didn't really

Unknown Speaker 22:27
learn anything.

Jessica 22:28
We learned about carb counting. And so this was a simple, simple carbs versus complex. I mean, things work that were like, it almost felt condescending, you know, those

Scott Benner 22:39
concepts aren't specific to pumpers. those concepts are for everybody. So it's a pump class, where we're now going to go back over diabetes again.

Jessica 22:48
Now, one mention of extended bolusing not one mention of Temp Basal. Both of the things I actually would love to sit down and just like, think learn better, you know, think about Yeah, it's it's gotten like a sort of, you know, because I'm still trying to figure those out. I'm

Scott Benner 23:07
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Jessica 23:09
There was and we left early and like, Oh, no, I forgot to turn this in. And then yeah, it wasn't no but fine. It was a time suck. For me. It was difficult finding childcare for my other two kids. But I actually think it was harmful to my son because he he actually had some anxiety, which has always increased by his blood sugar's By the way, which I which is one of my main motivators for keep keeping him hidden low, not low, low, but like, you know, on the lower end, um, and, and he also has my ADHD, or kid, but he is sitting in that room, and they were really just expected to be quiet the whole time. Oh, yeah. And, and caring and seeing all this. And it's sort of not being not being able to move because, you know, he's active, and after being in school all day, and then this, it just was just, I think it was really hard on him, he came home and he he, he did not, he was beaten by it.

Scott Benner 24:12
I can't tell you, he took it took any of the joy he might have been considering coming and he just be pushed into a classroom situation where he wasn't even allowed to participate. And

Jessica 24:26
I think he, they wanted him to participate. But I think they wanted him to participate in that sort of way. That that, like, you know, the dream vision you have of the kids participating in your class,

Scott Benner 24:38
the little adults that raised their

Jessica 24:40
robot you like Yeah, and that's not we these kids really are like, you know, he he wants to tell you a story about one day when blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, you know, and everyone's like, keep wasting time.

Scott Benner 24:55
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Jessica 28:28
Like? My huge, that's my problem. That's one of my biggest problems with. With with my experience so far, with my son's diagnosis is, yeah, I just feel like I keep using the word empowered. And it's true. I just feel I feel like most of them, it's, it's, oh, but you better not do this. And you better be careful of doing this and just call me and I'll tell you if it's okay. Like I think that they expect that I learned very quickly after the first week, you know that I didn't have to keep calling them anytime I thought that a little something needed to be changed in in Tyler's care. Yeah, you know, and, and the nurse in me is always like, I need a doctor's order, you know, I need to call so I'm pretty proud of how quickly I got out of that. Because after the first week, I'm like, I can't keep calling and asking if it's okay, if I get more inflamed even though it hasn't been four hours yet, like four hours.

Scott Benner 29:25
I'm like 30 minutes later, I'm like, headset that again. But But you know, it's just it's a really important idea that that that I you know what? I'm going to struggle for exactly how to say this. So the message and the way it's delivered is it's just very I mean, it goes back to the thing we said at the beginning it's just it's very, very important that to not start people's lives with diabetes off in chained down scared, you know, immobile can't make it decision on my own. You know, I am heartbroken by the people that I talk to every day, who sit and watch their kids blood sugar at 300 after a meal, and it's eating at their guts. I know I should be doing something I know I should be doing something. But my doctor told me not to. And or I heard this, and the kids blood sugar's 300 for four hours. And then suddenly, magically, at four hours, they're like, oh, now we can bolus this or now I can give more insulin, except now all that food has been digested. And now all this insulin you're going to get for this 300 isn't necessary anymore. It was necessary three hours ago, it's not necessary now. And then the kid ends up at 40 later. And then and now. And now my life with diabetes is I did exactly what I was told my kids blood sugar went up to 300. It sat there for four hours, I did what I was told again, then his blood sugar went down to 45.

It went up and then someone says, Those words that be so angry, I could curse? Oh, that's just diabetes. And then No, it's not just diabetes, our inability to understand how insulin works. And moreover, the people who tell you those things, just are not good communicators of the information or they don't understand the information. And that is that ends up being the truth when a doctor or a friend or anybody looks at you and says, Oh, you know what? Well, that's just, that's how that is. What they mean is,

Unknown Speaker 31:27
I don't understand how to explain it. I don't know any better, or

Scott Benner 31:30
I don't know any better. Right? Right. Yeah, that's fine, by the way, if they don't know, but the problem is, is when they spread that to the next person, as this is the gospel of diet. Right? Right. And then you get down to people who are like, oh, that shit. It's just what it is. And then that that goes further, by the way, then, then it keeps going, I'm gonna preach, I'm, I'm all lit up. Today is the march for their lie. I don't know when you'll hear this. But say the kids are all doing the march 1 thing. So I think I'm in protest mode. But but so that's the first step, right? Well, nobody, nobody understands how to fix it. So that's just diabetes. And then when your guilt or your shame or your frustration comes around again, and you reach out to into a community and say, I don't know what to do, I feel so bad. My kids blood sugar's that high. Someone else who feels that way, too, will come along and admonished you of that, they will let it go, we'll say, look, there's nothing you can do. You've done everything you can do. And now just in those three steps, we've taken this person who wants nothing more than understand diabetes, so they can help themselves or help them kids. And we've turned them into a passive person willing to accept 300 blood sugars because they genuinely believe that not only is there no way to fix that, but even if there was they couldn't possibly understand it.

Jessica 32:50
Yeah, and they just feel so helpless. And so out of like, just, it's out of your control, you know, just powerless against this and, and it just makes you feel so sad. And, and, and you're just not healthy.

Scott Benner 33:06
No, it's terrible. It's the abs. It's absolutely terrible. And it is but it happens over and over and over again. Every day to newly diagnosed people. Hey, be afraid be scared. This is horrible. Oh, you can't don't give anybody insulin for food. That won't work. Oh, their blood sugar's high. Don't do anything. Wait, now give them a bunch of insulin. Oh, they got low. That's just diabetes.

Jessica 33:31
Or, or there's a lot of and I agree with it. I mean, it definitely plays a huge role. But or there's this emphasis on Well then, you know, you're not competing or what did you feed your child, you're not feeding your child the right thing, which then makes you feel even less, like more inadequate as a parent like, Oh, I let my kid have his favorite. Whatever. And, and now I caused this high blood sugar and it's all my fault and and then you feel like like a kindergartener being scolded by the teacher, you know, all the time. And then you start making a

Scott Benner 34:03
list in your head of foods that apparently we're not allowed to eat anymore.

Unknown Speaker 34:05
Exactly. Yeah,

Scott Benner 34:08
none of that being true.

Jessica 34:09
which controls your life even more, you know, and just so let

Scott Benner 34:13
me sound just let me sound like a pompous ass for a second. Okay. Oh, no. So I talk a lot. You know, I've mentioned this a number of times in the podcast right that the people can't miss trust themselves. It is a it's a basic human function. If you walked around Miss trusting yourself all the time. It would be deadly. That's where anxiety comes from. That's where you know, if you're always thinking, Oh, well, I think I should do this. Maybe I'm wrong. That is it's crippling. And so I think it is a basic human thing to believe the thought that pops into our heads. Do you mean like, a problem comes up? This is the way I consider to take care of it. I must be right because I thought of it. And then here we go. And and what you just described is what ends up happening like, you know, All of a sudden somebody's like, Oh, well, you know, his blood sugar wasn't high because of insulin, it's because you let him eat pancakes. It's your fault for giving him a grilled cheese. You know, like, oh, potato chips. That's what you did wrong, you know. And then the next step, the next step their brain thinks is, if you cut out the carbs, and so then they're now their brain thinks low carb is the answer, or their brain thinks something else is the answer, or the first thought that pops into anybody's head they believe to be true. And they probably should, right? That is that does keep the world moving. It keeps everybody going. The problem is that no one ever steps back and diagnosis a thought in levels, then there are levels, the thoughts, there's what occurs due immediately. And then there's the perspective of I don't know, the other person, there's the perspective of an onlooker, there's another perspective of a, someone who's maybe better educated than you smarter than you understands math better, like, it depends on what you're thinking of. But there are plenty of people who would have a different initial thought once when they heard the problem. If you really want to get to the bottom of the of the issue, you have to accumulate all of these initial thoughts from all of these kinds of different minds. And in there somewhere is the answer.

Jessica 36:14
I wouldn't hundred percent agree with you. I mean, it's all about perspective. And learning that yours is not the only one

Scott Benner 36:21
and difficult to do in the moment when you're nervous and upset, and your kid has diabetes, and your husband is at work, and he hasn't really listened to you very much. And there's a pipe between me in the basement and somebody should cut the lawn, and I need groceries, but I don't get paid on Thursday. And when all this other stuff is going on to say to someone I need you to sit down and, and really, you know, put a whiteboard up on your wall and start drawing bubbles and lines and figure this whole thing out. No one has time to do that. And the only thing that will fix that is that is we all have to just kind of believe in our hearts that it's the first thing that pops into our head isn't always the right idea. And that there may be a better answer out there, and we should search for it. It's when you give up the search for that better idea that you get stuck in whatever position you're in. And then I always feel that that's what I feel badly about. Because I'll tell you that a lot of people figure diabetes out and they go off on their world, and they leave the community. And they live this happy life. And that's beautiful. But there are other people who disappear who just gave up. And you can't fault them because they've just been battered with bad information so often that they get to that point where someone admonishes them, and they're out there and they let it go.

Jessica 37:35
And this is where I'm gonna blow some, what's the expression blow some smoke Ana,

Scott Benner 37:41
I don't have a lot to say,

Jessica 37:42
I like clean, yeah, I'm gonna, I'm gonna be whatever, I'm gonna fluff up your podcast, because, because that's where your podcast is so important, because that's what gave me what I needed in that where I didn't like the perspectives or the things that I was being told. And then I finally found you and, and I was I was screaming, I would be like, yes, and like, bright. And I'd be talking to you all listening and folding laundry or in my car. And actually, my husband started to, like, make fun of me for it, because he'd hear me upstairs putting laundry away. Like, I know, and he'd be like, Oh, she's listening to the podcast again. Because, yeah, it's just, it's, it's such a wonderful source of have the right kind of, you know, the information that makes you feel I'm kind of my dog, it's fine. Usually, that's like, then he's all excited. Um, but, uh,

Scott Benner 38:42
we'll just That's very nice. Let me stop you. That is very nice. And I appreciate that. But I want people to know that I understand that I'm that it's not like, I just had this, like, I didn't look at diabetes. And just imagine all this at one time. I'm not some I'm not the Great and Powerful diabetes, AWS. I, I because I had the blog, and I was writing about stuff, I have a record of my thoughts. And when I could see things appearing more and more, I kind of in my mind think, well, that's important. You know, not being afraid is important. Pre-Bolus thing is important. Like as I would go along the way I would just hit these things, I'd be like, well, this is important. That's important. This is important. And then once we started talking, once I started talking about it on the podcast, then I could see how people reacted to it more in real time. I was like, okay, that is important, but I should say it more like this. Or, you know, when I say something like you have to trust that what you know, diabetes, that diabetes is going to do what you know, it's going to do, you know, it's almost not English, right? Like you have to trust that what you know, diabetes, it's going to do that thing. You know, when when, when you say that, you know, most of diabetes is just timing of insulin and the amount like you just have to get the amount and the timing right. Once you do that. You can pretty much bolus for anything That's it. That's a hopeful idea. It's not a description of how to do it. But I, but I, when I went through them, I kept going through them. And through them, I whittled them down Actually, I've done a lot of speaking this year. And it's basically just going in and, and it's, it's just kind of like doing a like an overview, but a kind of complete overview of those thoughts. And I was forced to sit down and break them down into slides into like, into thoughts. And I was like, this is it like, this is these, I forget what it was 1815 slides. This is the this is the podcast right here. So a slide will come up, and then I'll talk about it. And then and move on and on and on. And I was like, wow, this really works. So I did it in person, have them that person a number of times, and people are getting that reaction right away. They're coming up afterwards. And like, wow, you know, you fast forwarded me through all these thoughts. And so what I'm going to do, and I don't know if this will come out before that, but I'm going to get Jenny Smith back on the CD that's on a couple of times. Fabulous, we're going to talk about each slide. But then each slide is only going to be a few minute podcast, maybe five or 10 minutes, they're going to go up individually. And then so people can kind of hear them because I think that might be a good way for people who are coming in new to the podcast to kind of catch up a little bit

Unknown Speaker 41:19
like a little Crash Course.

Scott Benner 41:20
Yeah, cuz because there are people listen, I bless you, people who I get notes from who are like, I just powered listen through the entire show. Like I just do 100 episodes. That's amazing, thank you. But for the people who can't do that, this, maybe this will fast forward them into the conversation. constantly hear from doctors, well, you have to have diabetes for a year before we let you do this or six months, or they always want you to have diabetes for a while before you get technology. That's an old fashioned way of thinking. Dexcom shows you the things in days and weeks that it takes someone without a continuous glucose monitor to learn over the years or months. So if you want to fast forward your understanding of how Type One Diabetes works, so that you can make these amazing decisions that lead to better outcomes you need to get started right now. Seriously, you've heard people on this podcast who were diagnosed 10 2030 years ago, they lived in a different world with Type One Diabetes than you do today. The dexcom, continuous glucose monitor it fast forward, you right to understanding. That's the important part, isn't it? It's understanding how the insulin works, how it's going to affect you. It's understanding how your exercise and diet and sleep patterns, how all that's going to affect your blood sugar, so that you can do the things that you hear us talking about in the podcast, with your insulin, and live the life that you're hoping to live instead of one where you're just constantly wondering what's about to happen next, what's about to happen next. Don't be afraid. Open your eyes, see the data, make great decisions. That's what Dexcom is gonna bring you go to dexcom.com forward slash juice box with a link in the show notes or Juicebox podcast.com to get started today. dexcom.com forward slash Juicebox.

Podcast did not mean for you to come on and talk about how much you liked the podcast.

Jessica 43:31
But, but I do. I really think it was a big part in saving my sanity and making me feel like validated. And and

Scott Benner 43:40
so let's say finding community. And good information is what saved your sanity. Right? Like it wasn't me just happen to be me. You could have possibly found a blog that did the same thing for you. I don't know.

Jessica 43:55
I don't know. But finding you and then and one other person that that nurse that I told you we met through the trial my son's a part of Yeah, somebody in real life that you met. She She's amazing. She she's had a she's she was diagnosed with type one in her early. Oh, I remember earlier mid 20s when she was already a nurse. And then she already was sort of making her way into like diabetes research and then she really dove into Diabetes Research and now she works at the d-ri she's she's pretty big bear. And she's just so so she lives it. She teaches it she studies it and and she's so warm and and she really cares and she's phenomenal. And I want you to get her on the show.

Scott Benner 44:45
Please send me some of your if you haven't sent me an if you did, I forgot. But we'll I'll get back to it because there are I also have a list I'm looking at of like have this person on the show. This person plays basketball in college. I did this and I'm like, Brian, I'm like talking people about perfect restall athletes that I want to get on and trying to use the connections, I have to get those and, and it's funny, I said to somebody recently, I'm like, there are days when I think I could put this podcast up a couple times a week, but at the same time, it would be too much. And then, you know, we get lost somewhere, I think weekly is good.

Jessica 45:17
Oh, I don't know, I listened to so many episodes, I just I powered through them. But I guess there's a point where you get the fatigue? I guess? I don't know, I haven't reached it yet.

Scott Benner 45:27
I'm very good.

Unknown Speaker 45:27
I love it.

Unknown Speaker 45:28
Well, I think that,

Jessica 45:30
but I did want to say something that you you, you made me think of when you said that, what you said what this is years of experience, that that you've come to this place where you're able to put all this phenomenal information out there. And, and that's encouraging as well, that, that, you know, you have this, these great tips and, and it all, you know, become better at timing and, and you know, the amount of insulin and all that, and that it's possible, but at the same time, you know, a good portion of, you know, becoming rock stars at this is also going to be just experience and you can't, you can't fake experience. And so even if, you know, you feel like you're being bold, and you're trying your best and and and you have more setbacks than you think you should be focusing on that those are just going to accumulate as part of this experience that over time is going to be so you know, key to your success is, um, it's something that really helped me too, because

Unknown Speaker 46:40
it helps you not

Jessica 46:41
just having a positive attitude. And knowing that it's just it is there's some things that you just can't, you can't skip ahead, there is a long game. And you know, and that helps in feeling at peace with with everything when it's when it's not going

Scott Benner 46:55
the way you want it to. And it's very, yeah, that it's super important to remember two things. I was really, really bad at this for a very long time. So if if I can get here, then anybody can. And that just because Arden's a one C is where it's at. And I'm not, you know, I never mind sharing it, it's been between five, six and six to for over four years. Now. That doesn't mean that she has this super flat Dexcom graph at 87. That's not how it goes. Her blood sugar shoots up a couple of times a day. We'd you know, I see 180 or 200 once or twice. It's

Jessica 47:33
made me feel so much better. Yeah, the way that they were talking, and you said that to me.

Scott Benner 47:37
And I'll tell you this, yeah, and I'll tell you this, too, like, um, yesterday, yesterday morning, I just totally booted the whole thing. I mean, really, really bad. And her blood sugar went to like 330. And I was like, Oh my gosh, all right. And so uh, but immediately she's at school, I immediately did the things that I knew. First of all, we should have done that we we didn't, there was a little confusion a little rushing around in the morning and something got missed. And so we made you know, we added Temp Basal like big time, like doubled her bazel rate for like an hour and a half made large bonuses, and all with an eye on getting her blood sugar back down for lunchtime. And I'm going to tell you that I got her blood sugar from like 320 to 110 in two and a half hours, and not like a falling 110 like I brought it in for a landing on purpose. Because she was because she was at school dancing for diabetes.com go to dancing for diabetes.com. Is it fopr? No, it's not. It's the number for dancing the number for diabetes.com. Or you know what, find them on Facebook or Instagram, actually, they're doing a whole thing on Instagram this month to make you smile. You want to smile, go watch kids dancing. Everything that I talked about on the podcast that leads to most of the time to kind of stable blood sugars and staying ahead of carbs and everything, all those skills were the same skills I use to bring her blood sugar down without making her a lot. And so, even though it's thinks that our blood sugar jumped up like that, and I have to I will very, very honestly tell you, I don't see 300 a handful of times a year, but okay, it happened. And just to your point, didn't panic, I didn't beat myself up about it. I just reached into my bag of tricks and I was like, we're gonna do this, this and this, this is gonna work and it did. And that was awesome.

Jessica 49:41
And I need help with that I need help with. I mean, I'm trying to figure it out with extended bullet saying and with Temp Basal, when to use what and how I'm still, I mean, we're two weeks into the pump, but I'm dying to figure those two out. And I'm with with just No bolusing and with Pre-Bolus saying I feel like I mean, I messed up not mastered a god, I got good at that already before the pump. So I feel like they're there. I'm pretty good. But I don't want to just use the pump for that I want to figure out the extended boluses and the Temp Basal.

Scott Benner 50:19
They're all just extensions of how to like time the insulin. So, you know, yesterday I figured so it happened in segments, right like, we had a she woke up in the morning with a blood sugar that was not commensurate to what her CGM said. And it was a brand new sensor. So it was off a little bit. So we calibrated it got it on, that was good. But she needed food, or carbs at a time in the morning. We didn't we wouldn't usually give them to her. And because I didn't feel like in the moment like that the sensor was working yet. I kind of laid back for a second. Then I came downstairs and the dog made a mess of his bed. So I'm cleaning that up. And I forgot about the carb sheet. And she comes downstairs and I thought as I thought, ooh, jeez, we should probably I should Bolus for that I can't believe I forgot that. She says I'm gonna eat this for breakfast. And I was like, Oh, okay. And we gave her some insulin. But I just didn't consider that the first carbs we used for the low blood sugar, we're going to do what they did. And I should have I knew too, and I just didn't for some reason. And maybe 20 minutes later, she's at school and I see an arrow up. And I'm telling you, I never see an arrow. So I was like, Oh, so I texted her. I was like, Oh, yeah, we got a ball a second. So we both and I thought that should do it. But I was still for some reason erring on the side of caution, which is not something I usually do. I think in the back of my head, I wasn't trusting the sensor. And that was that was throwing me off a little bit. Then the thing that she took the eat this muffin, she took with her hit her so much harder, because there was no Pre-Bolus. And there was no there was no aggressiveness that there usually is. So all of a sudden the one hour goes to two arrows. And now I'm like, okay, I stopped myself and I rethought the whole process. I used this much insulin, but I know I should have used this much. And so I have to get this large amount of insulin Enter. And for this situation, I think it was about six units, like I needed to get six units indoor.

Jessica 52:18
And so so you got that amount from subtracting what you gave, no,

Scott Benner 52:23
I know, I didn't even consider when I gave in the first I put the carbs we use for the low blood sugar, the carbs, I would I should have thought about for the muffin. And I also put into account double arrows up Yeah, where it's gonna go, how much it's going to need when it gets up there and this whole thing. So now I know this is a massive amount of insulin. But if I dump it in all at once, it might stop the arrows a little faster. But it's also going to cause too much of a fall on the other side. And I did not want to compound this problem by having to feed a low later. So instead, I added a temp bazel. And I stretched it out. So some of that instantly stretched out over 90 minutes, I think. And some of it I put in right away. And we slammed it really hard. And then I was able to watch the arrows and how they slowed down. And when they turned to back to level and then when they started to go diagonal down at first and it wasn't I go down or do I did one of those were the the arrows steady, but the numbers falling, you know,

Unknown Speaker 53:20
yeah, that way. Yeah. And then

Scott Benner 53:22
it diagonal down. And then I was on the ski slope. You know what I mean? Like this, this right? And that one that you can't always be sure is going to stop or not. But as I watched it, and I watched and I watch, I was like this one's gonna pull up and stop right where I wanted to. And I'll tell you that when it did, I was so like yesterday I had, we had to go into Arden school to help her to sit with her, her counselor at her lunchtime and pick her classes for high school. So I was going into the school, and I walked in there looking at her blood sugar and I looked at my wife and I was like I have to tell you something. I I'm even a little stunned at how well I handle this one. And and but but not not as like a not a humble brag or not not quite so humble, right? But just I was even like wow, because I wish you could see how little effort I put into stopping that all happened like that was just I talked about that all the time. Like at some point. These things that when they get exploded out so we can talk about them seem like all this time and effort. I saw the arrow made my decision did what I did never thought about it again. I knew I did the right thing every once in a while I look back and check the error to see if it was doing what I expected it to when it was but it wasn't this long. drawn out painful hours do not mean like

Jessica 54:42
I do so do you think that you made it to speed up the effect? Like what so as when you started making these changes? How quickly did you start to see the results of the insulin you're putting in

Scott Benner 54:53
not fast enough, but I had to. I had to I had to trust it though because the carbs had Such a head start on the insulin. I was already when I saw double arrows up and she was 220. In my mind, I already said this is going to get the 300, there's nothing I can do about it, if I'm not gonna be able to start getting to 300, if I give her enough insulin for it not to get the 300, then she's gonna get low later. So I had to put in the right amount. And and wait a little bit.

Jessica 55:22
So you find out when you put in a large amount of insulin, it does seem some I guess,

Scott Benner 55:26
oh, there's enough insulin you could have picked up I could there was an amount of insulin, I could have given her that I could have had her back at 100 and in a half an hour. But then she would have needed to eat our lunch. Right. And there is a worldwide by the way, if that high was coming, as lunch was coming, if I saw 222 arrows up and everything was going on with those carbs that I just talked about before in the lack of insulin, the there would have been a way for me to bolus her 15 units of insulin, stop that thing right away and then get her eating and just use all that insulin as a Pre-Bolus. For a meal. I've done that. That's some high level stuff, though. Because you got to trust that the food, you really got to know what the food is going to do that because you've given a ton of insulin. But um, but yeah, I mean, listen to sometimes the best way to kill a high is to, is to have a meal coming up. And so you can just you can just use so much insulin, and then just use the entire meal to catch the insulin instead of like a juice box or a tablet. You know what I mean? Like it's Yeah, it's it's, the concept doesn't change because the amount of insulin gets bigger. The concept still works, you just have to have the timing of it.

Jessica 56:36
With a bigger amount of influence. I've seen that it just it affects them faster. Oh, shut it down faster. Yep.

Scott Benner 56:43
Yeah, you just have to be is but I'm saying with a with a with a 302 arrows up the amount of insulin that would take to crush quickly. Yeah, definitely need carbs. Late. Yeah. And then there's a trick in there to get the carbs in without causing the bounce.

Unknown Speaker 56:59
And, and,

Unknown Speaker 57:00
but the roller coaster, but but it's.

Scott Benner 57:02
But if you stop and listen to the conversation that we're having right now. It's all just timing. That's, that's all it is. Yeah, just timing. And that comes like you said earlier, it just comes with a lot of experience a lot of over and over again, experience and a lot of messing up and going off. That's not what I wanted to happen. But then instead of beating yourself up about it, you you take something from it. It's just it's a very, it just is what it is. It's a long game. And like you mentioned it earlier, but at the same time once it hits you. It's such a magical spot. Like I can't tell I wish people could have seen that whole thing happened yesterday. Like I wish y'all could have been flies on walls. Because I wasn't panicked. I wasn't upset. I wasn't that, you know, I didn't spend the rest of the next three hours like wringing my hands about it. I just, I was like, Okay, I should have done that. Why didn't do that? And I'm going to do this, this and this now. And it's going to work. And then

Jessica 57:56
and then and then you felt you felt, what's the word? You wanted to be humble about your brag, but I think it's a beautiful thing that you were able to not beat yourself up over, you know, it not going well. And then to feel so great about when it did when what you did worked and what went well, I mean, why shouldn't we make a bigger deal about the positive thing and try to, you know, acknowledge but sort of move past the negative thing versus I took themselves up and then yeah, and then are like humble, I think it's great that I this disease, it can beat you up and to just end to feel to feel that you can brag about something and to feel great about about something you did and the knowledge behind it that it wasn't just this fluke, I think that's awesome. I don't think you've seen, um, well, you're nice. whompin makes me feel like yes, and I'll get there really is

Scott Benner 58:52
the goal of sharing it is to make someone else feel like oh, maybe that's a place I could be. Well, I'll get to that. I could get to that one day. That's what I turned on my wife and I joked I was like, seriously, I did really good with this. And I showed it to her. And she like looks at me and and very sarcastically goes, Hey, you should start a podcast about that. I see what you're doing there. It's fun. But but but no, I and I you do see people online who are sharing their a onesies or their successes. We should all be in there going Wow, congratulations every time I see that I throw a like on something or a thumbs up or something like that. That because that's amazing. Just because I'm not having a good day doesn't mean you're not having a good day.

Jessica 59:32
And it is there. Yeah. And you know, and and if you just have the confidence and the willpower you can get there and and and why not? Why not take this thing that can make you feel really, really down and feel and feel like you rocked it without without it being you know, cuz some people would say well, you can't make it into I don't know, like I get like you're getting you're getting a piece of candy when you succeed or something like that. Like, you know, the I get that, like,

Scott Benner 1:00:01
I don't think of it that way. I think of it just the way you said like if, if we're gonna, if we're gonna say we're supporting people, then somebody with a nine a one c can't see somebody with a six a one C and get mad at them for having a six a one say, you have to say to that person, you have to say to that person Wow, man, that's amazing, good for you. And then try to figure out what they did that you could maybe do. And and instead of being, it's just very important to take the drama out of all this, you don't need to be so dramatic. You know, like, it's it sucks when you're not in the place where you want to be. But other people's success should look like hope not like Exactly, yeah, not like they're kicking in the butts. Yeah.

Jessica 1:00:39
Yes. And that's what I was always looking for. And yeah, that's what I've sort of leaked that onto was, you know, the parents that I found on social media that are that are that have more successes than failures, and that post, you know, they're great agencies, and, and then I, you know, watch what they're doing. And I'm to see the hope and the possibility and to feel like I have some sort of control, or, or power, or something over this disease that can make you feel really powerless. It was was just, I needed that

Scott Benner 1:01:13
I was speaking to my mom, I was speaking to a mom the other day, and I don't want to use her name. But she said that I thought what she said was so brilliant. She said, if my kids don't do well, on a test, I always say to them, what was there somebody in the class that did? And when they say yes, she said, well go find them and find out how they studied for it. And I was like, wow, that's just simple, good concepts. And I've said stuff like that to my son in the past too, which is probably why I agreed with her so much. I was like, well, I've had that thought. But it was, but it's such a it's such a smart idea. Like, if someone's having success that you're not having figured out how I was watching survivor the other night, I am still one of those people who enjoy survivor No, even though it's been on for like, ever. And there was there were the they were putting this puzzle together. This one team's like throwing this puzzle together really fast, the other team can't get it figured out. And finally one of the people who couldn't figure it out, just turned and started watching the one who was doing and I was like, you're never gonna catch up to them. But there was this moment where that guy said to himself, I'm not figuring this out on my own. And the only ex example I have out here is them. Let me stop and look. And sure in the course of the game, it's probably cheating. But but but at the same time, it's it was smart, it was all he had left, he couldn't figure it out on his own. So he just looked at somebody else who had had it figured out ahead of him. And I said that here a million times. This podcast is not an example of me being better at this than you. This podcast is an example of me being farther along in the process than you. That's all you should just I should just turn around every once in a while and yell back, hey, do this. Try that walk around here. And you should maybe say to yourself, well, that guy's already walked up this path, he probably knows where I'm going to twist my ankle. So I'll listen to him and what he tells me to go a little.

Jessica 1:02:53
Yeah, I that's what that's what I did. I mean, I I'm with MDI, which, which I still wanted to talk to you about, but um, you know, I, we started off at 9.9, right? A one C, and then I hit Tyler's first and the appointment after his diagnosis, the three months later, he was 6.5. And then, and then we got it as low when I was still begging them for a pump. It was 5.9 and then right at the pump class apparently they took everyone's a one sees and sort of quietly handed it out after right before the beginning of class and, and I thought we had had some wheat. I thought he went through a growth spurt or I don't know what was going on. But we were fighting some highs, but we thought we you say you know how diabetes got aggressive. You got aggressive back, and I and I listened to you. And I did that. And his agency actually went down again to 5.8. And, and, and yeah, and, and so my point of that, not only is to brag, because I'm sorry, but

Scott Benner 1:03:58
that's really, you should feel good about that. That's amazing to have anyone see like that with MDI, without a bunch of crazy lows, to have the nerve when diabetes pushes to push back. That's all really big stuff. Because I just talked to somebody the other day who had that problem. I talked to him for 20 minutes. In the end, she said, You know, I think you're right. I'm just it's her his insulin requirements have gone up and I haven't moved with it. And that's pretty much it. Yeah.

Jessica 1:04:21
I'm trying to learn to like, you know, that hold let's just watch thing. Like it's like, No, no, let's let's be aggressive back. Let's not just watch, you know, because every every moment you're just watching. It just keeps climbing. Yeah, but but my point was that so you learn that through all these years of experience and yes, you're ahead on the path, but you helped me go from being at the beginning and you're miles ahead to sort of being able to see you on the horizon like, like, I'm catching up and so much faster because because you've really you've made it seem possible and you've given the a lot of good information and and so I mean, 10 months into it and and And here we are, you know,

Scott Benner 1:05:02
I'm good for you. Yeah. And you made me think of that really bad joke from Pulp Fiction. Oh, which one is the mama tomato and the baby tomato, we're walking down the street and the baby tomato starts lagging behind. And mama tomato turns around and says ketchup. We were talking, I was like, there was a moment where I was like, I'm so proud of what you're saying for yourself the

Unknown Speaker 1:05:24
baby tomato,

Scott Benner 1:05:25
like, Oh my god, this is the joke from Pulp Fiction. So maybe I have a little ADHD as well.

Jessica 1:05:35
I diagnose everyone. It's so it's it's so sad. Yeah, I'm totally. But whatever you were, my advantage,

Scott Benner 1:05:43
you realize we've been talking for over an hour now.

Jessica 1:05:45
I don't because you know, me, I

Scott Benner 1:05:49
just I don't know if people believe me. These conversations never have a goal. I sometimes as I'm calling someone and pulling up an email from them and thinking Who is this person even because I want the conversations to be so just organic. And I, I have to admit, because I just put up an episode yesterday, which again, for people will be maybe months ago when they hear this, but it was called it

Unknown Speaker 1:06:19
was the guy and has a guy I just listened. Right.

Scott Benner 1:06:22
And so Jane, Jane comes on and starts talking about all the good things the podcast did for and I thought, Oh, we can't do this the whole time. And then I just I liked I wanted very much for to have her say and I wanted for people to hear what our experience was. And then I feel like I did a really good job of directing the conversation in another way so that we could actually talk about something substantive. That wasn't her telling me that she really loved the podcast. And as I listened back to it, I thought this went really well. And as we're doing this, I think the same thing. I think that I think we really hit on what I think are some really important kind of basic tenants. And I think it's a great spot for people to, to hear again. So I hope everyone understands that it was really cool that Jess loves the podcast and got so much out of it. I don't don't feel the ways you might expect. Like, it's not like a big ego thing for me, I'm happy for you, when I hear you say that, like I'm like,

Jessica 1:07:15
that's the way you gave me about validation to keep doing what I was thinking was the right thing to do. Maybe it's just validation that, you know, you putting all this time and effort into making the podcast is well worth it.

Scott Benner 1:07:27
I mean, think about it that way. Thank you very much. That is really nice. Thank you very much to Dexcom to Omni pod and to dancing for diabetes for their support, please go to my omnipod.com forward slash juicebox dancing the number four diabetes.com or dexcom.com forward slash juice box. You guys left some new ratings and reviews on iTunes this week for the show. Thank you very much. Please don't forget that the way the show grows is when you tell someone else about it. And you take a couple of seconds to explain to them how a podcast works and how they can download it. There will be a brand new episode every week for the rest of 2018. And I am just this close and what you can see as I'm holding my fingers very close apart, but I'm just this close to securing advertising for the next year and beyond. So we're looking at shows until let's be honest, as long as you guys are listening, that's how long the show keeps going. Thank you very much for choosing to spend an hour here