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#181 Charlie

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The Juicebox Podcast is from the writer of the popular diabetes parenting blog Arden's Day and the award winning parenting memoir, 'Life Is Short, Laundry Is Eternal: Confessions of a Stay-At-Home Dad'. Hosted by Scott Benner, the show features intimate conversations of living and parenting with type I diabetes.

#181 Charlie

Scott Benner

Alicia is Charlie's mom and she made me invite her on the Juicebox Podcast...   :)

Charlie was diagnosed with type 1 diabetes the day after his second birthday, this is his story.

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Scott Benner 0:00
Hello, and welcome to Episode 181 of the Juicebox Podcast. Today's episode, I don't know what I'm gonna call it yet, I'm editing it, but I still don't know what to call it. So, I mean, you know by now because you saw it in your podcast player, but at this moment, I don't know. Well, that was information you didn't need. Here's some information you do need. This episode of The Juicebox Podcast is brought to you by dancing for diabetes, Omni pod and Dexcom. I'm going to do something here. I don't usually do a couple shout outs for social media people following the show. This one's the carb counting mess on Instagram who told me that they left the endos office with a six five a one c congratulations. And the endo asked how they did it. She told her about the podcast and now the podcast has been introduced by her endocrinologist to other people in the practice. And before she knew it, that person was coming back with better a one c results. So carb counting mess. You're not such a carb counting mess, first of all, and secondly, thanks for sharing the show with other people, especially your endocrinologist who seems willing to share it with other people again, that was really cool. And here This one's from Facebook. Hey, Amanda, in Massachusetts, how are you? Congratulations on your 6.181 se. But next time when your mom tries to take a victory lap Don't laugh at her in the endo office. Seriously, congratulations. really well done. Six. One is quite something you should be really proud of yourself. And let your mind be happy for a second. Don't roll your eyes that are okay. All right. Let's get to the show, shall we? This episode is with Alicia. Alicia is Charlie's mom. And Charlie was diagnosed The day after his second birthday. I really think you're gonna like this one. But please remember, as you're listening that nothing you hear on the Juicebox Podcast should be considered advice, medical or otherwise, always consult a physician before making changes to your medical plan. And you know what else you should remember dancing for diabetes calm that's dancing, the number for diabetes.com the people that dancing for diabetes aren't asking you for anything. They just want you to know more about them. Please visit dancing for diabetes.com. There's also links in your show notes. And while you're looking in those show notes, if you're interested in getting an Omnipod or Dexcom, there's links there to

Alicia Schultz 2:15
I am Alicia Schultz, a scientist at a university doing who does research for a living and as a husband and two sons, and one of them has type one diabetes.

Scott Benner 2:29
Are you able to say what type of research or do you do whatever lands on your desk,

Alicia Schultz 2:33
I work in a biochemistry lab. And our I work in a School of Pharmacy. Our lab does drug discovery. And my project is looking for alternative therapies to hormone replacement therapy try to alleviate the memory decline that occurs in postmenopausal women.

Scott Benner 2:57
That's just what you tell people to get funding you're really trying to fix the zombie problem. Is that correct? Is there a zombie problem? Is it gonna happen? Yes or no? Alicia? I need to know right now.

Alicia Schultz 3:08
I don't think it's gonna happen. I hope it's not and honestly, with based on having type one, there's parts of my brain that are like in the event of a zombie apocalypse. What will we do?

Unknown Speaker 3:18
What do we do? Yeah, I thought that thought

Alicia Schultz 3:21
like, I don't want to start a pig farm.

Unknown Speaker 3:23
Oh, make your own insulin. Yeah,

Scott Benner 3:29
we just got a plan everyone is that's what you're hearing right now is that most people don't have a real plan. They, I always tell people that if it happens, you come get me because I'm making. And so you're gonna want to be with me because I'm gonna make it to the end. We're gonna. But uh, I don't actually believe in any of that. I just think that, um, it's nice to get you rolling and comfortable. So we're talking so you have a son who was diagnosed pretty early, right? How old was he? Are we gonna say his name or no?

Alicia Schultz 3:57
We can say his name is official name is Charles. But we often early on. So but I have a tendency to switch between.

Scott Benner 4:08
Does it matter if is he is it your like, um, how you feel Charles or Charlie? Or is it just happens?

Unknown Speaker 4:15
I think so.

Unknown Speaker 4:15
You think so?

Alicia Schultz 4:17
I'm not sure? Yes. I think sometimes. I'm trying to speak more formally a column Charles. Okay. I don't know. But yeah, he was diagnosed. is a day after his

Scott Benner 4:31
lease you cut out I'm not sure what you said he was diagnosed

Alicia Schultz 4:35
literally the day after his second birthday. Wow.

Scott Benner 4:38
So there was still like cake on the counter under foil and stuff like that and stuff was all over the place. And you were coming down? Yeah. Well, is he your oldest or your second child?

Alicia Schultz 4:49
I'm sorry. Yes, my oldest, actually didn't get a birthday that year. Unfortunately. Because the party was that weekend, the weekend after his actual birthday occurred. And we canceled.

Scott Benner 5:02
Yeah, you would think just did you just do it with some jello at the hospital and a candle or just look at him go you don't we're gonna just do this next month, you're not even gonna know the difference.

Alicia Schultz 5:13
We, I, we, I think we planned on trying to have something at some point and it just didn't happen. Luckily, he had been at my parents house, and they had done like a little celebration with him, which I'm sure was great for undiagnosed diabetes. Um, you know,

Scott Benner 5:37
wow, just blood sugar wasn't it was a mean, you took him to hospital?

Alicia Schultz 5:42
You know, I don't but the we have like this portal thing. And the earliest, like one of the earliest test results in there actually wasn't even that high. I think it was only like between 350 and 400.

Unknown Speaker 5:57
How did you catch it?

Alicia Schultz 5:59
Well, it kind of started about his birthdays. early November. It was sometime mid October, I went camping with just him and my husband and nobody had going on. He had something else going on. Like a last minute trip.

Scott Benner 6:14
Yeah, I would have said I had something going on too if you're going camping but that's that's that's smart. Camping, oh, no, I might have something

Alicia Schultz 6:22
like camping or camping or children is like a whole other thing. So, but it was with other another family that has kids and literally their son is his younger. So very close in age. So he woke up in the middle of the first night. They're drenched in what I thought was sweat. Some urine, it obviously leaked through his diaper. And just like screaming for water, like what is going on. And that whole weekend, we went through a ton of divers, and and then it kind of fluctuated for a week or two where he would have days where you drink a ton of water and other teams wouldn't drink quite as much. But he's kind of like he's always been a good drinker. So it's not that abnormal. And in hindsight, unlike me, that was just type one developing. Yeah, it just kind of kind of came and went and I feel like something's wrong. And so I called the pediatrician. And I wrote it off a little bit is like, oh, maybe he had a growth spurt, and his bladder didn't catch up. And

Unknown Speaker 7:35
that is the least thing anyone's ever said.

Alicia Schultz 7:39
I'm like, as a scientist, my brain was like, a no, can that really happen? I don't know. I don't know that much about actual Oregon development, you know? And he wasn't really he hadn't, like lost. Like, he's also always been like, pretty good eater. And so it's not like he was, like, he's n times where he would eat a lot. And so it wasn't that. abnormal. Yeah. Who have him, you know, like, so some of the signs that like are typical, like, were things that we didn't see as being abnormal for our kid. And he wasn't like losing weight. Okay, it we were kind of like, not likely this. And we had his It was literally his, like, a year pediatrician normal checkup that was scheduled for the day after his birthday. We're like, Well, we've got this other one scheduled already. And you know, it's kind of like, Well, probably not, this is not likely to keep an eye on it. And if anything else happens, definitely call us back. And then he threw up. And I'm like, and it was like one time, and then he didn't throw up anymore. And then, like a few days later, after going up for breakfast, and cakes. He threw up again. And we're like, cool. And then and then we got sick. So we're like, oh,

Scott Benner 9:09
so then he was sick. Yeah, boy, it's so. So yeah, circumstances. He

Unknown Speaker 9:14
did have a stomach bug, right? Yeah,

Scott Benner 9:17
but circumstances kept pushing you away from like, the idea that he might have diabetes. It's interesting. Dancing for diabetes provides free dance class for kids and teens with Type One Diabetes. They also host several outreach events. And they have a program for kids teens and adults called touched by type ones dancing for diabetes.com.

Alicia Schultz 9:37
That's why he was with my parents for like the day but like on his actual birthday, as you

Unknown Speaker 9:41
guys were says,

Alicia Schultz 9:44
Yes, my husband and I were actually sick. And he came back to us. And I'm like, why are we better and he's not. And like, still throwing up. So we went to our pediatrician appointment. And they really fun to get a urine sample from a two year old. They literally stick a bag

Unknown Speaker 10:12
around this whole business. Uh huh.

Unknown Speaker 10:14
No kidding. Yeah. Yeah.

Alicia Schultz 10:16
Well, that would be Harold Hill, you don't grenade on command. So it took a while. And once we had, like, why you actually left the church. And I just bombed and waited ages, like every 20 minutes, checked his diaper to see if there was any urine in the bag. And the minute there was any I had given me like a urine sample cup, I put it in there. And my husband took it back to the pediatrician. And they were gone a while. And that's I was like, at home be like, Oh, yeah. Good. Yeah. And my husband came home and like, a lot of my son was home with a urine sample. And my son was sleeping on me. And he's like, honey, I need to go to the hospital right now. And I was just like, oh, man, no. We went to the, yeah, the emergency. They were waiting for us. And it's being in an emergency room with a toddler is pretty traumatic. Sure. Like, I felt so bad for, like, having an IV put in. Lab checking in the ER is like, hourly. So it was just not good. It was interesting, because I'm sorry,

Scott Benner 11:53
No, I was just gonna say that Arden was diagnosed a couple weeks after her second birthday. And but we figured it out more in the middle of the night. And so she was pretty, you know, wiped out and, and asleep when we took her and she slept through most of what happened in her, you know, initial, you know, being checked over. And the one thing that my wife and I look back on now, and we realized we wouldn't have done the same way is that when it was time to take her to the neck, you they took her from us. And they and we didn't go with her. And they they put us on, they put us in a like a holding room and told us to get some sleep and they'd come get us in a couple of hours. And we did that because it was like by then it was like 330 in the morning. Maybe my wife has said a million times and said, Why did we not go with her? In hindsight, I wish we would have went with Arden, you know, thinking about being able to see into the past and make better decisions or maybe even see into the future, have you considered using a dexcom continuous glucose monitor. Because with the dexcom CGM, you can kind of do just that. You can see what happened in the past with your blood sugar, which will help you make decisions in the future. And you can also, if I make change the future by making better decisions in the present, those better decisions might be bazel, rates boluses, they might be Pre-Bolus thing, they might be, you know, 20 minutes after a week going, oh, wow, I don't think I counted those carbs, right, I can use a little more. And where will you get that information from? Will you'll get it from the data that's coming back from your dexcom continuous glucose monitor. The G six sensor is amazing. Arden says it goes on completely pain free. And it doesn't require any finger stick calibration. Not only that, but there's a share feature. And let me just tell you a little bit about that when the person wearing the CGM, whether it's your child or your spouse or yourself, you can allow followers to see your blood sugar in real time. So maybe you're going to be watching your kids blood sugar while they're at school. Or maybe like some people who listen to the show, maybe their wives or nurses overnight, and they keep an eye on it for them when they're busy at work. There's a million different ways to use the share feature, you'll decide which one is best for you. But no matter what you do with it, I believe that you're going to find that your decisions and your outcomes are better. Please go to dexcom.com forward slash juice box for use the links in your show notes to find out more. You'll also be able to find links at Juicebox podcast.com dexcom.com Ford slash juice box to get started today. Why did we not go with her? No, they told us not to and we just did what they said you know, but and you're so like, crying and like you know knocked over and everything like you're not really thinking straight and maybe that's why maybe they're like, let's go keep the crying people away from the baby. But, but we just it was really you know, it was really it was just an overwhelming experience. I get really less so I don't know what happened to Arden in those first couple of hours like you do. I don't want to get too far off track but I have to ask you have sort of a northern accent. But you went camping in mid October. So yeah. Are you crazy?

Alicia Schultz 15:07
I'm from Wisconsin, Wisconsin, and we love, love our seasons, including fall, and it was gonna be a pretty nice weekend. And

Scott Benner 15:18
you were on your way to October Johnson this like summer still to you. So you know it Yeah. Right. Because I mean, it's it's

Alicia Schultz 15:28
transitional, like it can be good or it can be bad. And if the weather is nice, it's awesome. Because you've, they're beautiful. And oh,

Scott Benner 15:37
my brother moved to Wisconsin so long ago, I've never visited him. And he's always like, why don't you come? And he's like, what about the lakes? And I'm like, Are you kidding me?

Alicia Schultz 15:48
I was like, I have no free time to come in summer because we're all like, I felt like we need to go do something right now. All the time. Yeah. So many festivals. It's fabulous. Like you. Yeah, airplanes and

Scott Benner 16:02
beer. And like, all that stuff. I know. He tells me. But I keep telling him like, I have no time to travel. And the one time you want me to travel, you may go to Wisconsin, and then your selling point is a lake. I'm like, I don't know. So. So okay, so

Alicia Schultz 16:16
outside of Milwaukee, like he was like best kept secret. Don't tell anyone. It's pretty amazing.

Scott Benner 16:23
It's pretty amazing. A mock. My brother is nearby. I think he moved out to Oshkosh originally. And

Unknown Speaker 16:32
he's, that's where I grew up. Okay. And he's somewhere around town.

Scott Benner 16:35
He's somewhere still near there. So.

Alicia Schultz 16:38
Okay. I don't exactly know when you could airplane. Like he's got to be around Africa.

Scott Benner 16:42
Because they do that big festival. Wherever, where everyone comes in and like flies like little airplanes like this. Okay.

Alicia Schultz 16:49
Yeah. Yeah. It's huge. We get people from all over the world.

Scott Benner 16:53
Well, we've dug into the extent of my Wisconsin knowledge right there. So other than once told me, my brother, I should have my brother on this podcast to just tell this story sometime of a guy he worked with, who went on a drunken, like ride in a Winnebago with a friend and beer. And it ended up with them getting shot by a cop. It's it's maybe the best story I've ever heard in my entire life. And it's it. That's exactly what he said, when it was over. He was like, and then he finishes like, these people have stories like this constantly. It was when he was when he was first there. It's like, he called me he was like, you have to hear what I'm about to tell you like listen very closely. And I was like, Okay, and then he spotted tail. It was fascinating. I literally might get him on just to tell that story. I wonder if he could still tell it that well. But anyway, so Okay, so trolley. Choice diagnose, how long did you spend in the hospital afterwards?

Alicia Schultz 17:53
Um, well, we went to the ER on Thursday. And then they eventually checked us into the actual hospital. And we went home on Saturday. Like, a couple days. Yeah. And then these we didn't want to be a more the, we were like, what do we need to do to get out of here?

Unknown Speaker 18:17
There's beer to drink.

Scott Benner 18:21
But so Okay, so you come out. So this is only about a year ago, right? He's only about three now.

Unknown Speaker 18:27
Yeah, uh huh. Okay. And November,

Scott Benner 18:30
November, see you diagnosed and I mean, end of 2016 beginning of 2017. ish.

Alicia Schultz 18:38
Yes. And 2016.

Scott Benner 18:40
What was the What was it like leaving the hospital? Like, what did they give you? What were they telling you how you were going to manage this? Like, what tools did you have?

Alicia Schultz 18:51
We have learned how to focus on anger. Do a blood sugar check. He had a one touch Berio and insulin pins, okay? All the things that go along with an insulin pen. And a like, if his blood sugar's this, give him this in the in these ranges. Give him this. And that's kind of all they said, at the time. Oh, they also gave us syringes, which was really weird, because I'm like, we're leaving from the pharmacy. And we're like, why are we taking these boxes? Like, yeah, I don't even know what to do with this. But a little did we know it was because on Monday, we were our children's hospital is a really, really great diabetes clinic. And what we didn't know is that they have all this education, and that we were in the hospital getting survival day one. We didn't realize that and we had the status appointment scheduled for Monday morning at the at the clinic. And we had didn't know but that was survived. Date education. Yeah, that's what really syringes Yeah,

Scott Benner 20:05
it's funny they give you all that stuff. And and you're staring at it for a couple of days go on like, What? What are we? What is this for? And it's a very unlike they had a plan but they didn't really let you in on it very much they sent you home with if this happens to inside of it's possible you just didn't hear

Alicia Schultz 20:26
Yeah, well or didn't like I said, Oh, no actually can I, I personally emotionally a wreck, like I equated now to, like, postpartum emotions almost like just wild crazy emotions with random crying. And I was like, this is like having a newborn all over again. Like I feel out of control. And I don't know what's going on. And yeah, it was it was not good.

Scott Benner 21:00
But you feel like you're not gonna grow up like you feel like you feel like it's a newborn. You don't understand how to take care of it. And it's not gonna get any older and you're never gonna figure it out. Yeah, yeah. You just gonna be caught on that moment. Like that whole time of that. And that the unsure. I'm about to kill this kid feeling that that that spot?

Unknown Speaker 21:19
Yeah. It's a great place. Yeah. Yeah. So that's wonderful. How good was

Scott Benner 21:24
the was the instruction when you went back for the basically for the bigger boot camp on diabetes? Did you leave that feeling better or not? Particularly?

Alicia Schultz 21:34
Yeah, we left feeling better that they taught us how to pull up in from the pen cartridges with syringes. And we actually started doing is the pens to do half a unit, we actually started doing estimating quarter units, right. And so we had a new scale. And then they also gave us a fixed carbohydrate diet to help basically figure out numbers and ratios and stuff for a little bit before it could release us, I guess, into the world of carb counting. The hard part for that part was a six carb amount per meal, it was like 30 grams of carbs. And I think for some people, that might be easy. But my kid eats like, now it's like 70 grams on average a day. So to get him 30 in one meal. And this was like, you know, a year ago, he was probably averaging like 60 a day at that point.

Scott Benner 22:41
So this was too much food for you in a setting at that.

Alicia Schultz 22:44
Yeah, it was just like, forcing carbs to him, just to give him insulin. Like it was dumb. It's just like, stupid, like, when you

Unknown Speaker 22:57
keep eating well.

Scott Benner 23:00
Alicia, I'm sorry, you broke up a little bit. So I got confused. But what did they what it made me think of is that that's just the math that the doctor knew. Like, it's this much insulin for this many carbs. Like could they not have like divided that in half?

Alicia Schultz 23:15
Yeah, yeah. Exactly. Like but luckily by Thanksgiving, cuz his birthdays early November. Luckily, by Thanksgiving, like literally the day before Thanksgiving, we had done a couple different education, because they realized that we were on top of things and are willing to very quickly learn stuff. And so they gave gave us two education days at once. Okay, or Thanksgiving, which allowed us to start counting.

Scott Benner 23:50
Okay. Well, so how to So right now, are you still using pens?

Alicia Schultz 23:58
No, no, no, we? Well, basically don't use the pens for that one weekend. Okay. We very specifically switch to like, straight up syringes, right? pulling our own influence, rather than having the pin measure it. And we we did that? until we got a pump. How long have you had a pump? Oh, 11 months.

Unknown Speaker 24:27
Okay. Oh, wow.

Alicia Schultz 24:28
Oh, she was like early March. Yeah, you were all already on our second pump.

Scott Benner 24:34
Is it because you didn't like the first one or because what what how did you how did you get the first one was?

Unknown Speaker 24:40
Oh, they stopped making it.

Unknown Speaker 24:43
They were like, Hey, here's

Alicia Schultz 24:46
the all the deals are switching to something else.

Scott Benner 24:50
Right. And you knew you had to so you took advantage of one of them?

Alicia Schultz 24:54
Uh huh. Yeah.

Scott Benner 24:54
Which one did you go to?

Alicia Schultz 24:57
It was army pod because we really With him being little, um, we needed something that had her like a remote. Like, having to fiddle with his. It was no, he's an active kid. And so

Scott Benner 25:15
we needed to hold him down to give him insulin. So he would move around while you were trying to use the controller that was attached to him by the tube.

Alicia Schultz 25:22
Yeah, running after you have a tube, you can't run away from me. And you're like, running after him holding and hoping that all the A, you don't drop the expensive pump and break it. Or be that you just pull the infusion site out. And then you have to do that whole rigmarole again. So yeah, it's a pretty fun thing. So having a remote, kind of a deal breaker. And we we got a Dexcom before Christmas that year. So to me in the hospital, everything we hit medical Max, and I'm like, the, the children's people's like we can do for you. And I'm like, What do we need to do to get a dexcom CGM? And how did you find out about that so

Unknown Speaker 26:09
quickly? How did you find out about that so

Alicia Schultz 26:11
quickly? My husband, Josh is in the tech world. He's a software developer writes code all day. And there's a pretty prominent guy in the tech community that my husband follows for his, like the tech side of his life, he happens to also be a type one diabetic. And so my husband was kind of aware of his his stuff that he had put out about. And usually, like, we're in the hospital, and I'm emotional wreck. And he's like problem solving by going up all about stuff. And so when we left the hospital, we wanted a pump and a CGM. That's gonna feel like we said to get a pump in a CGM. And they were like, Whoa, whoa, whoa, you need to slow down.

Scott Benner 27:10
Like, no, my husband follows a guy for his coding, and he has diabetes. And he has this stuff. And let's get going. That's such a strange route understanding that stuff. That's very random, actually. Yeah. But cool. I mean, very cool. Because it fast forward. Did you write it? It took you right to

Unknown Speaker 27:27
a total it? Yeah.

Unknown Speaker 27:28
It sounds like that much.

Alicia Schultz 27:31
No, they didn't. And even with the pump stuff, they didn't, they didn't fight us with it. They were just like, okay, we have all this education that you need to get through. And they tried to get that as fast as

Unknown Speaker 27:41
I say. I say,

Alicia Schultz 27:43
like, last January a year ago, I think we were at the clinic, four different times just for education. Just to like, get all the classes. I mean, some of them were classes.

Scott Benner 27:59
Did you have to do like a nutrition class pump?

Alicia Schultz 28:03
Yeah, all that like a pump, try on them. They have all the pump reps in there. So you can like look at the pump, pump parts, and you can like, trial putting on it,

Scott Benner 28:14
that we did one of those, like a little fashion show for them. But it's like, it's like a miniature salesman. Yeah, yeah.

Alicia Schultz 28:20
situation. Yeah. Well, I mean to that decision to make, and might as well talk to somebody in the product, right?

Scott Benner 28:28
Yeah, absolutely. When you contacted me about being on the podcast, you said that I needed to have your very direct by the way. It was it was polite. Don't get me wrong, but you were like, you need to have more people yelling kids in the podcast. And I was like, Okay.

Unknown Speaker 28:44
I don't want to argue Yeah.

Scott Benner 28:46
So what I say here all the time, like it's very easy to be on the podcast, you just have to tell me you want to be alone, or there's somebody you want to hear. And it pretty much happens like that. But but but can you tell me why you felt that way? Because you're listening to the podcast? What was it not filling in for those some had to have been something that you weren't feeling served on? I guess. So this morning, I hope they don't mind me saying this. This morning, I was talking to the mother of a little girl who lives around Atlanta. And we were talking about how we manage type one diabetes. And she said, no one's ever said this to me before. And I thought it's just so disappointing. Like, you know, new people come into the community constantly, and they hear the same things over and over again, the kind of, you know, same kind of BS, and then it's up to them to figure their way through everything to come up with this idea of their own. But where do you get that information from if people aren't constantly telling you, Hey, you know, there's a better way. And if you're considering insulin pumping, in my opinion, and based on a decade of use, the better way is the Omni pod. It is tubeless it is carefree, you can swim with it and shower with it without disconnecting. The process of putting on an omni pod is like three steps. And takes like, I can do it like a minute at this point. So your pod changes are almost effortless, and it's tubeless. So you're not carrying any large controller device on your body, you know. And if you're an adult, that's hard enough, you're sticking in your bra or jamming it in your pants. But imagine if you're a kid, and you're carrying this thing around, that's heavy and large. On the other hand, the only pot is tiny, and it's controlled wirelessly by this little device, all you have to do is pick it up and say, Hey, give me a little more bazel, a little more insulin, you know, how many carbs my eating this many push a button. It's that easy. My omnipod.com forward slash juice box, the links in your show notes are at Juicebox podcast.com. At that link, you'll find out how simple it is to get a free no obligation demo pod sent right to your house. So you can check it out and see if what I said is true. My omnipod.com forward slash juice box had to have been something that you weren't feeling served on.

Alicia Schultz 30:56
Yeah, I'm just I felt like I felt like you're that you're dealing with type one is the thing that is the way you deal with it to some degree has to do with like a your years of experience with it. But there's also an element of understanding the where you are in life and developmentally. And some of the things that you can do with the way that you deal with certain diabetes, I feel is not that you can't do it, but that it needs to be a little bit more reserved, maybe with a little kid, it's a little and there's an element of some of this stuff that he doesn't understand. He didn't understand what's going on what was happening to him. And so you can't really get that by in waiting, or something like that. And so I just, I feel like I'm kind of flexing on that this morning. Because like, I sent that message at one point in time. And as we've grown and changed in my kid has grown a little bit since then. Because when they're little they grow so fast.

Scott Benner 32:17
So if you would have thought to reach out to me today for the first time, would you have had the same feeling?

Alicia Schultz 32:26
Um, yeah, just a little bit. Okay. Maybe I wouldn't have felt as strongly about it. But maybe it's what I'm hearing that I reached out at that time, just because, like, and you have had some people. Right, and so well, here,

Scott Benner 32:40
here's what I'm hearing. It's you It's not me. No, I'm just kidding. So

Alicia Schultz 32:47
everybody's gonna take their, you put it out there, but people take can take from it, what they what they need. So I think there's thing

Scott Benner 32:53
Yeah, I think there's two different thoughts here. Like, in my mind, when I'm listening to you. The first one is that everything's more difficult with a younger person for for a couple of obvious reasons, right? Like, you can't always count on them to eat what you expect them to eat. It's difficult to reason with them, you know, putting a bunch of insulin in somebody's you know, putting two waffles in front of them. Pre-Bolus ng for it. And 10 minutes later, having a two year old look at you and go I'm adding these waffles would make you feel like yeah, jumping out a window. And and, and so I get that, like, that's definitely one aspect of it. And the other aspect, I think is, but but I think the rest of it is this is that So from my perspective, I know your life with a two year old but you know, or somebody's life with a two year old with diabetes, because I've had it before. And my thought is my contention is, is that if you're not careful, you could get stuck in that fear and anxiety. And so, I see myself as someone who's 50 100 yards ahead of you on a long dark path. And even though I'm pretty far ahead of you, and you don't have a flashlight, I keep waving my flashlight at you yelling Hurry up, catch up, let's go get up here. And and trying to drag you from where you are to where I am. Because if I don't, I feel like you're going to get stuck back there because that's what happened to me. And so while there's probably not, there's probably not an apples to apples way for me to say this is how we deal with Arden and I can apply it to you as a two year old. Although I think a lot of it applies. I think that my bigger goal is to just sort of be the person off the head that you go I wish I was doing it like that. Like how do I get to that that looks possible. That guy I've listened to his podcast he seems like an idiot so if he can do it, I probably could do it too. And and like to give you that feeling that it's possible there is a place you can go you can get to it. And if you're if you and I'm here like Come come meet me at it's not just some random place in the up ahead that you can't imagine. So I don't know if that makes sense.

Unknown Speaker 35:00
Sound good? Yeah.

Alicia Schultz 35:02
I think that's why some of I've been reflecting on sending you that message and into now. And I wonder if some of it isn't like I've contemplated whether some of it is like, like, the fear that you talk about it the fear of doing it. But and so that's why I was like, I don't know that I would put it forward, probably, as I had to from that initial message. So I have a very direct,

Scott Benner 35:37
use the word need, I was like, Okay, I'm sorry, I'll do it. But you're also delightful. So I, it's not like you were yet like, I want to be clear, I didn't feel like you were attacking me. But you were very much I could feel in you where you were with your diabetes, by the by the tone of your note, like, basically, what you said to me was, you have to let me come on the podcast and explain to me the stuff I don't understand between what I know and what I want to know. And if I, if I told you in that email that the rest of its just time and experience, that's not a very satisfying answer at that time. But it's true, right? You're starting

Alicia Schultz 36:16
to feel that you have. Yeah, there's an element to have, like, I process things verbally a lot. And so sometimes just having somebody else to literally talk to sure, a Can I can be helpful for myself. Okay. And so there's a selfish reason of like, okay, maybe if I have this conversation, that it will benefit me in some way?

Unknown Speaker 36:42
Well, we have 25 minutes. Let's have the conversation.

Alicia Schultz 36:46
Yes, let's go to like a lot of people find the podcast and find the Facebook groups and stuff pretty early on. And they're, they're in a they're in a time that I feel pretty freshly remember, and I think it is also useful for people to hear the stories of other people going through that. Like, and not having it be so far behind them. Right. But you know, there's, there's because there's the, the emotional aspect of diabetes and know a lot of you like, you can't be emotionally tied to it, but it is definitely early on. It's Oh, yeah. Very hard to remove yourself from it.

Unknown Speaker 37:39
Absolutely.

Unknown Speaker 37:40
Oh, you're 100% of that. I think part of it.

Scott Benner 37:42
No, I think so I think what you're what you're bumping up against and what I what I it's this thing that strikes me all the time. So this podcast is now I just got like a Facebook message. The other day is like, this is the anniversary. So it's like three years old. We're, you know, you and I are recording little one day end up being like 100 and 80th episode of it. And it's already got like, 150 out. And so my one like issue is, is this like, I think that what I do, I do pretty good. But my brain doesn't work in a real like, like, like a clean order. If it did, I probably would have done the first episode about this is what happens when you get diagnosed. And then this is I would have done something in some sort of, like reasonable order, which as a researcher probably makes a lot of sense to you. But the funny thing, yeah, but the funny thing is the stuff I figured out about diabetes is because my brain doesn't work like that at all. And so yeah, it right. And so what I think I've come down to is, if you really, if you really want to get something out of this podcast, you just have to listen to the episodes. And very slowly pieces will come together. And stuff will start to make sense. If you're looking for someone to put it in order for you. I'm not the guy. I can't do that. But the problem is your hospital tried to do that didn't really help you. Yeah, right. And so it's my expectation that these conversations are the path to it. Now, I will say this, I do have a plan to sit down with Jenny Smith again, the CD who comes on once in a while. And I want to do like a basically. So you were just diagnosed with diabetes episode, something like a primer to get you going. I do think the podcast needs that.

Alicia Schultz 39:28
Yeah, yeah, that would probably be helpful. Because the other thing that was very kind of difficult in the beginning is I I did start looking at some podcasts. And like, I don't listen to music. I only listen to podcasts now. And I found your podcast very early on. And I was hearing all this stuff and I'm like, this is possible. We need to just do it. And I was like, hold on. Like let's slow down. out there.

Unknown Speaker 40:02
But see ya.

Unknown Speaker 40:02
Let's see, I'll tell you how great that makes me

Unknown Speaker 40:04
feel the primer

Scott Benner 40:06
would help. But he's so having a primary would help you think?

Alicia Schultz 40:11
Yes, I think it would okay.

Scott Benner 40:12
I actually do, too. I just I tried to imagine me for an hour staying focused on one idea. But that's but But see, the funny thing is though, is the way you felt after you listen to it, that was my goal. Like, I want you to feel like I can do this. This is possible. There's a thing out here that happens just because I don't know about it doesn't mean it doesn't exist. Because I think that is if I can be critical for a second of people who share online together when something doesn't work for them. And this isn't even me, you know, I should make it a bigger thing. Our minds tell us it. I figured this out, it doesn't work. And so when when your brain can't figure something out, your expectation is it's because it doesn't exist. Right? Like very few of us. Yeah, I'll tell you there's one thing I there's one thing I realized about myself, I wrote a parenting book along like a few years ago. And while I was reading, writing it, I recognized about myself, that one of my favorite things to do is to get to the very edge of what I understand and just sit there in that horrible feeling like there's more and I don't know what it is, and try to imagine what it is. That's weird. And I don't think a ton of people do that. I think a lot of people get to the edge of what they can understand. And they imagined that this is the edge, this is the end of what there is to understand. And so I don't know, that's a very strange way of saying that. That I think that that's what happens to people, I think that they have an experience with diabetes, it goes a certain way it happens again, and they think oh, and then they say those words that make me mental. Oh, that's just diabetes. And that's not just diabetes, you can eat pancakes without your blood sugar going to 350. If it's going to 350 you just don't know how to do it yet. But if you get stuck thinking that it's not possible, then I feel like I lost you. And so while you're busy messing around, and it's not going well, what I want to do is give you the feeling that no, there there's an answer here. I just don't know what it is yet. And maybe this person can tell it to me, which makes it feel more hopeful and less impossible. I guess that's my goal.

Alicia Schultz 42:22
Yeah, yeah. Pancakes is a great example. Because we have a tendency to like going out for brunch. And kicks her off as part of that, and probably tried to figure out like, the same place gets, we probably tried to figure it out, like 20 times, at least. And it we still don't have it right. But if we didn't get it right, for a long time, I think out of because it was it was like a, b, we know roughly, it's probably this many carbs. But we still, we're bolusing for it. Like we would still only propose for like 20 of the carbs or so. And like you're setting yourself up for failure in hindsight, right. But at the time, it was like, given him this much. And up front, this is scary. What's going to happen? I don't know when we're out in public and like what yeah, it's just that fear. And until we started just being like, Don't let's try it. Right, right. Let's, you know, what are we comfortable with trying? And let's try that. And

Scott Benner 43:32
foolish I am telling people all the time that will sit is first let me go back first, you said something really interesting. You said so you know, it's probably X amount of insulin, but you use less. The funny thing is that after you consciously use less insulin, when the blood sugar goes up, you never go back to why I didn't use enough insulin, it's always something else. But must have been diabetes. pancakes are hard to do. People do that stuff all the time. You actually they take you know what I mean? They take away the reason and then don't go back to saying Well, that was the reason that's fascinating to me. The second part is

Unknown Speaker 44:06
it's

Scott Benner 44:08
it's exactly what you're saying. It's like, it's just that fear like that, I'm going to do the wrong thing. And it's going to go be it's gonna go horribly wrong. But the truth of the matter is, is that in almost every situation, when your blood sugar is high, if you stop and think about it, you later give more insulin. It just belonged up front. That's all like it, just you you know what I mean? And after you see that a couple of times, it's how you get to this very convoluted sentence that I speak a lot on the podcast, which is you have to believe that what you know is going to happen is going to happen. You just have to if you don't believe that you're screwed, you get hacked, you have to believe it, you have to go I know that if I don't put this insulin in right now he's going to get high. And later I'm going to have two more units to bring it back down. So Damn it, let's just do the two units right now. If you don't, if you can't do that, you'll be lost. forever.

Alicia Schultz 45:01
The only I think the thing that makes it harder for, like parents of little kids to do that, is that with little kids, especially honeymooning kids, like, you could do the same thing. And it can go haywire. Oh, sure, for whatever reason watching, you know, and so there's an element of like that, that is reinforcing your learning. Like, you don't have that reinforcing. Because it, it can go totally opposite. Once the next time. And we've, this is one thing we've kind of seen recently with Charlie, I almost feel I don't know if he's, I think he's still hunting, moaning because he still, I think has comparatives his numbers to some other people, maybe I don't know. Um, but we have times where all of a sudden, out of like, everything will just not work, or everything will just suddenly, way over work. Yeah. And you're just like, why is that? So that's,

Scott Benner 45:58
that's so I hate to say that that happens. But that happens. And so then that's how you have to be fluid and know how to address it afterwards. When I was 10 years old, I was playing Atari. When Elizabeth forest was 10 years old, she was being diagnosed with Type One Diabetes, and beginning to hatch a plan to create an organization called dancing for diabetes. And today that exists. So while I could never figure out how to get through the opening gate in zaxxon, Elizabeth figured out how to help children with Type One Diabetes through dance, find out more about it, scroll down, see some of the pictures at dancing for diabetes, calm, dancing, the number for diabetes.com you have to be fluid and know how to address it afterwards. Arden had a stretch just yesterday, where she was just on the low side the whole time. And so she had to go work out last night. She does like it's, I don't know, it's exercise. I don't know what you call it. Because I don't do it. But it's where people move their bodies really quickly for for not a sporting reason to be in better shape. Let's call it that. And, and so she, I don't I don't like to think about it. It makes me upset to think about sweating. And so she so she does this thing. And and so I'm like, okay, she's been on the low side all day, which means that everything I've Bolus I've had to give her lessons on for and she's still hanging it like 85, you know, so I'm like, there's a meal she ate that I was that in any other regular situation would take eight units. I only gave her four and a half. And she was still like 75 for a while after it was over. And so I'm like I said, I wasn't home. And I said to my wife, I'm like, Look, this trainings coming up. Let's do a Temp Basal decrease of this much blah, blah, blah, right? It's gonna work. And it was working great, except that it was also the end of her pump. And none of us were paying attention to that. So last night at like, I don't know, if it was like 10 o'clock, my wife goes, Oh, God, we have to change our pump. And I was, Oh, all right. And then that's when we started paying attention to the fact that this beautiful like 75 blood sugar that had been existing for the past seven hours, all of a sudden was turning up, because all of a sudden, her pump was kind of done, it was cooked and it wasn't delivering as well. Plus, I scaled back the basal rate. So I did everything right. And then I got this spike. And I was like, Oh, so he put the new pump on. And I bolused for the spike, considering the new pump. And I did exactly what I knew what what in the most times was going to take it insulin wise except I forgot to take into account that she had been so like whoa for the last eight hours. And super sensitive right. And so, so what I so I forgot about that because I got aggressive with the spike the way I should have been, except I should have been less aggressive with the spike. And, and that's a lot to think about. And I had had a long day I was out for like five hours doing a ton of driving I came home tired, it just didn't occur to me right away. I did the bolus, and it came back to get me because at one o'clock in the morning or two o'clock in the morning, she was like 55 and she was in that she was in that 55 that it didn't matter what you did wasn't gonna stop being 55 and so, got her juice, shut off for bazel did all that stuff. And I was up until I know exactly what time I close my eyes for 17 in the morning. And that's when I got her to 75 diagonal up and I was like oh this is gonna I know this is okay now and so I didn't know which I didn't over trade it. And I was comfortable leaving it like 64 for like an hour while it was working itself out. But I did stay awake and pay attention to it. But it all goes back to I did the right thing. I didn't consider all of the variables. But I'm but I'm still not upset with that. Because I would have rather been 64 for an hour 55 then to 64 then taking a while to go back up then for me To under treat that spike and for her blood sugar could have been 250 all night. I just I steadfastly stay by. I stick behind my words that I would rather stop a lower falling blood sugar than fight with Ohio. Yes, you know what I mean? And Susan

Alicia Schultz 50:14
and I early on had fights. Because he wasn't listening to podcasts like I was.

Scott Benner 50:23
It's not his fault sources.

Alicia Schultz 50:25
Yes. It's interesting, too. So, um, well, I've a couple things. First, you talk about the the pump being like on his left leg, it doesn't deliver as accurately or something.

Scott Benner 50:40
It's the infusion. So it could happen with any pump like sometimes bank, it's oversaturated. Right. Right. It's like, yeah,

Alicia Schultz 50:47
and then what do you find? Do you feel like there's like almost a insulin absorption over time? Sorry, this is very scientific way of explaining it. Is this the way I think, like, the first day of the site, you find like it over works. And then like, the second day, you kind of have like a midpoint. And then the third day, usually it's starting to decrease and like, it's absorption.

Scott Benner 51:12
I don't Yeah, I think the first day is an overworking I think of it as in a perfect world. This is how it would work all the time. And so right, and then it devolves as as it goes along, because the site gets, it gets saturated with insulin, or maybe you're using the same sites too frequently, or whatever it ends up being. And it doesn't always happen, by the way, some pump sites like cruise the whole time. And

Unknown Speaker 51:36
but but when like, why do I need to change?

Scott Benner 51:38
Right? Yeah, like, there are, you know, there's times like, I'm leaving this one on forever. And but but there's, but there's also spots where as, as you're getting to the end of that third day, and you're starting to get diminishing returns in the insulin, you have to assume, I always think, Well, you know, of course, that's happening. Because, because trust me as low as harden was last night, she continues that trend today, she's at three right now. And so it wasn't my like slight Temp Basal decrease that caused the spike it was that combined with the the life of the pump ending, basically, yeah, so because it, you know, it just is, but there are times when, you know, there are times when she's not on the low side, and this is actually art. And just I know this is as good a place as I need to say, Arden just started getting her period. And this is her first time with it. And to be honest, so far, what I'm noticing is that her blood sugar is super simple to take care of. It's very stable and low with less insulin so far during during the cycle, so

Alicia Schultz 52:45
give it a couple of weeks. I'm sure it'll be horrible in two weeks.

Scott Benner 52:48
Yeah. rustling, I mean, I'll find out but but I still think the goal is to just

Alicia Schultz 52:52
to get some parts of like hormone over a cycle. I'm just gonna be very excited. No, you're not gonna do that.

Scott Benner 53:01
Well, I mean, you're, you're in a lab somewhere making better hormones or something like that. So just send them over. But, but you know, like, but my goal is I'll just stay fluid and I'll figure it out. And and I think that the expectation that your diabetes is always going to be perfect is ridiculous. Like I saw somebody the other day talking about, they're trying to get their basal rate just right. I'm like, that's a fool's errand. Like, it just really is. And I know a woman I spoke to recently who bought into the idea of like, Look, just set a basic basal rate and then use Temp Basal, because think your body changes all the time. Why would your basal rates not change? pretty frequently, she got yelled at by or endo. And then she pushed back and she continued to do it, the endo gave up and she's having good success with it. You can't but I see other people who are like, as soon as I get all I have to do is get these bezels right, and then everything's gonna be okay. You're, you're fooling yourself. If you think that's gonna happen, you're gonna get those bezels right, and then something else is going to change. They're going to be wrong again, you spent your whole life trying to do this, because why? because someone told you there's basal rates the pump, you have to get them right. Just get them about right. You know, it's, I don't know. It's sometimes I think people focus on the wrong stuff.

Alicia Schultz 54:13
Yeah, he just simplified his early bazel programs. I think. Maybe because my husband is working with reading sugar surfing right now. Okay, um, and do they tell you to do that

Scott Benner 54:23
sugar? I've never read sugar seven. Do they tell you to do that and sugar surfing?

Alicia Schultz 54:27
I think he just said he said to set like one bazel written just looked at.

Scott Benner 54:32
Like, it totally makes sense to me. And then just the joy attempts.

Alicia Schultz 54:35
So now we have like, two different different rates. And it seems to be it seems to have helped a lot of not all of the things that we're we're noticing we're being a current chronic problem.

Scott Benner 54:51
Yeah, I do have an overnight rate that's lower than the day rate but not by a lot. It's just what I figured out works. Yeah. But you know, for the most part and just adjust if we have to adjust. I

Alicia Schultz 55:04
think it was an epic my husband just told me read something that like the pancreas research accuracy of this, but the pancreas on average puts out for like a normal person puts out bliss type insulin like 11 times a day one, okay? Like it just will dump don't insulin, you know, like, like Bolus for feels like 11 times a day for an average person,

Scott Benner 55:27
like take care of body functions, maybe with extra? Yeah,

Unknown Speaker 55:30
yeah, well, that's just like,

Scott Benner 55:33
that's why I'll tell you that, what I'll do is if it's a carb heavy meal, I'll just randomly double her bazel at the be, you know, near the beginning of a carb heavy meal, because it just makes sense. I think I call it carpet bombing with insulin one time. And somebody a lot of people really like that I've seen it online now talked about that way, just the idea of like you're trying to, there's this area of time with these heavier carbs. And it just makes sense to up the bazel rate over that space.

Alicia Schultz 56:02
We see that a lot too, because with protein and fat as well. And it's kind of impressive, I forget who the guy was a guy that just got released with the four year old. And he talked about how he thought he saw it like, hours later, or something. And we see that too. Like, there's something with kids and the way that especially if it's like a big meal, and he's eating protein and fat, like we can see will just be sometimes just especially if it's dinner, which is all night long, he just gets an increase Faisal, just because the fat, there's, yeah, it's just it lasts longer than I would expect. And

Scott Benner 56:46
actually, it's just something about the digestion, that the fat keeps the carbs sort of in your stomach in your system longer, I guess. And yeah,

Alicia Schultz 56:54
I wonder if it's acid with like digestion and sleeping, that digestion is like slowing down because other stuff is happening. Or if it's a combination of little kids, they're also doing so much growing when they sleep. Even, you know, like, even outside of a growth spurt, like the things that are happening when you sleep they sleep for so long that maybe that biochemically whatever is happening requires or basal insulin so interesting. The

Scott Benner 57:19
minute Arden goes to sleep or blood sugar starts to go down because she relaxes and then she doesn't need like, you know if she's doing her homework, and she's kind of amped up for homework or something like that. The minute that and I don't want to call it anxiety. But the minute that extra stuff you're thinking about goes away, her blood sugar tends to go down. Just like it goes down at the end of the school day.

Alicia Schultz 57:41
Yeah, mealtime insulin will wear off. And then he'll slowly tick up. And then like, even now we change his bezels. So that now an alarm isn't going off, they're not going as high. He's not going out of range, you'll still wake up in the morning, and I look and he's had, you know, a very nice, lift up, and then a drift back down.

Scott Benner 58:07
And it doesn't get before it comes back. Where does it go back to?

Alicia Schultz 58:11
Um, well, we target 140 we don't want it to go. Our range is like 100 to 180, although we don't like retreat a low unless he's like, below 80. But we might we might give him like a little like, and it's bedtime kind of thing. It kind of depends on the time of what's been going on. And what we think is gonna happen. Of course, sleeping is one thing versus is napping and I'm awake. And he's expected to be woken up because we also very much value sleep in our house. Like it's very important, or else. And so that's part of it.

Scott Benner 58:57
You're trying to accomplish that. No, I know, I got I got so tired the other day. I was just like, it was like three o'clock in the afternoon. And I said I'm gonna go lay down so I don't die. And yeah, because I just, I got cloudy. And I was like, I don't even know what's going on. Anyway, I just got done being sick. So I'm still kind of like battling back from that. And I was just like, I can't I can't I have to, I can't, like, lay down. So we're kind of at the end. Is there anything else you wanted to bring up or talk about?

Alicia Schultz 59:28
Um, that's one of the other things is, uh, that we, my husband and I have, like, very, very cutely fathers are awesome. I mean, he's not a toddler now, but when he was two and trying to get him to understand early to understand diabetes. He we, we, we, you know, you give some kind of kids terms. Yeah, one time he referred to getting his insulin shot as insulating And so we've started a website called insulating that calm. So it's insulin, and then an extra n.

Scott Benner 1:00:10
What are you blogging there? What are you doing with it? What are you doing with the space?

Alicia Schultz 1:00:14
Yeah, we're blogging there. Right now. Basically, the main thing that's on there is Charlie's diagnosis story. But we're hoping to, we have a lot of other content ideas, but we'll probably do some blogging. Part of the reason I microphone that I'm speaking on was a gift was that we are doing our own podcasting in the future as well. Okay. Um, but yeah, so that's kind of our goal, because we do feel that there's a lot of room within the type one space to have more and more voices and or just ideas out there of how to tackle a lot of this stuff before So

Unknown Speaker 1:01:01
no, absolutely.

Alicia Schultz 1:01:02
I guess. The only other thing I want to say is that I do have another child and that I was pregnant with him when Charlie was diagnosed, like very early. So I essentially have children and you know, diabetes early it's just kind of that's that's a whole lot that we could probably talk

Scott Benner 1:01:23
and that other kids

Alicia Schultz 1:01:25
about, about the Yeah, having a second child and worrying and about are they going to get it but I you've had a lot of people talking about that and trial that and stuff. So it is a

Scott Benner 1:01:35
it's definitely something that gets I still my son is going to be 18 in a couple weeks. He's done trial that he does not have any markers for type one diabetes. And still if he gets sick, I stared. I'm like, Oh, my God, is he going to get diabetes? So have you?

Alicia Schultz 1:01:49
Have you picked this finger?

Scott Benner 1:01:52
Check when he was younger and asleep on sia, because he was coming home from school and using the bathroom a lot. Ah, and so yeah, when he was asleep, we did it. He doesn't know he did it? I don't think so. And that was it was a long time ago, actually. But yeah, but um, yeah, I have other than that. I mean, I don't think about it often. But when he gets sick, sometimes it creeps into my head. That's for sure.

Alicia Schultz 1:02:20
Yeah, there was so much with Charlie. But I see it's hindsight. That now if anything remotely similar to that happens with Sam, I'm like a type one developing. But I haven't I haven't checked you know, he's only like, seven months old. Right?

Scott Benner 1:02:36
Well, what's open never happened? Yeah, but I really appreciate you coming on and and while and telling me you were coming on but and so. But, but uh, but it was really it was really great to take the time and do it. I know. I had to push you off because I was sick. We were supposed to do this like a week or so ago. But I I got so sick the night before. We were supposed to do this. That the day that we were supposed to do this. I did not like get out of bed. I just and i that is not me. And I was in bed all day. And the next day. I was racking so I appreciate you being flexible. And

Alicia Schultz 1:03:08
I guess we had it wrong. Did you guys this year. Yeah. Yeah, that was crazy, too. Like Charlie got his first next second stomach book ever in his life. And how fast ketones developed was crazy. Even without blood sugar being crazy. But then afterwards the recovery he was so insulin sensitive. We had meals we didn't even he didn't need insulin far. Yes. He also didn't have a lot of appetites who wasn't eating. So they're just basically there wasn't enough. Even you know, we would just not dose and if he happened to go up later we though, but because we were just we actually started actually using because of that happening. Okay. He did something. work faster. Yeah.

Scott Benner 1:04:02
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