#1345 I Don't Understand... Arden Six

October 30, 2024Scott Benner

Arden and Scott discuss inner monologue and other things.

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Scott Benner 0:00
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Arden Benner 2:15
like how you started that. Like we haven't been talking to each other for the last 10 minutes.

Scott Benner 2:19
People need to know where the conversation begins. We can't just be in the middle of a conversation when start recording. We went over a lot of important things before we started. Yeah, we did. How's school going? Let's talk about it for a second. How long have you been there now?

Unknown Speaker 2:35
What like four weeks? I

Scott Benner 2:36
think it feels kind of weird. Yeah, you know what?

Arden Benner 2:41
I was talking to mom, and I learned that I'll be home

Scott Benner 2:45
every month, except for February, really.

Arden Benner 2:49
So I was home in September, right? October is my fall break. November's Thanksgiving, December's Christmas. January is New Year's. I'll be here February. March is spring break. And April, I'm done.

Scott Benner 3:06
And that's really odd, because at your last institution of higher learning,

Arden Benner 3:10
I wouldn't see you for like, six months straight. Yeah,

Scott Benner 3:13
you'd be gone for a really, really long time. You know, interesting. All right. Well, you know what we're going to talk about today? Nope, today we're going to talk about internal monologs.

Arden Benner 3:23
Oh, actually, I was talking about that in my psych class today.

Scott Benner 3:26
Where are you? Yep,

Arden Benner 3:28
we're learning about consciousness, and we just started learning about sleep.

Scott Benner 3:31
Okay, well, what did you learn about consciousness and sleep today?

Arden Benner 3:35
Well, we were talking about consciousness last class too. So it's like we learned a bunch, but basically we were just kind of learning, like, is, well, you would like this, like, dogs technically aren't conscious.

Scott Benner 3:50
I mean, I could tell that from basal, yeah. But I'm

Arden Benner 3:53
saying, like, you're always saying, like, he has no idea what's going on, like, I got you're kind of right. I'm right, right. Um, yeah, but there's like a couple Adam like, some mammals that do know they're conscious. So it's like humans, when they're like, 18 months old, know they're conscious. Chimpanzees know they're conscious. Elephants know their conscious. And dolphins know. Because we all have like a, like, a higher, advanced, like frontal lobe, or something like that, something like

Scott Benner 4:18
that. What does that mean? How does that like? What's the definition of I understand?

Arden Benner 4:24
So basically, there's something called the mirror test, and you place someone in front of a mirror, and if they they either react like some like something else is in front of them, or that they're or they understand that they're in front of them. So basically, they put, like the chimpanzees to sleep, gave them some drugs, and then placed like a red.on their forehead. And then when they woke up, there was like a mirror. And they so, like, they have no idea this thing's on their head, there's a mirror. And they walked up to the mirror, and instead of, like, going to touch the mirror because there's another chimp in front of them, they touch their own heads. And we're trying to. Off the dot,

Scott Benner 5:00
okay, but most animals, yeah, most animals probably wouldn't do that. Gotcha? Dolphins, yes, dolphins know that they're interesting.

Arden Benner 5:12
Dolphins also, their brains are bigger than ours, and they like the part of the brain where it's like the emotional response is actually a lot more complex than ours. Is

Scott Benner 5:23
they're more advanced emotionally than we are. Yeah, interesting, huh? Yeah, okay, that has nothing to do with our topic, but I love it.

Arden Benner 5:35
Yeah, that's what I was I was learning about all that stuff today. I have a exam next week, so gotta start. Gotta lock

Scott Benner 5:43
in how you been doing so far on your the testing that you've encountered.

Arden Benner 5:47
I've only taken quizzes, but I've gotten 100 on all of them. There you go. Nice.

Scott Benner 5:51
Congratulations.

Unknown Speaker 5:52
Thank you very much. Are

Scott Benner 5:53
you enjoying this more classic type of college? Yeah, yeah. Is it? Is it better than the more hands on thing at SCAD?

Arden Benner 6:08
I think so. Personally, okay, I would say, yeah.

Scott Benner 6:11
Okay, good. What do you like about it that's different? Is your schedule. Feel like I'm using my brain.

Arden Benner 6:18
I like to just sit down and take notes. I don't, I realize I don't really like, like creating stuff is more like something I would do when I don't have like, it's I don't want creating things to be a task.

Scott Benner 6:31
So when you're being creative, you like it to be for fun or recreation. Yeah,

Arden Benner 6:36
definitely learn that. Um, but, yeah, I don't know. I just want to come home, put on my pajamas, crack open a Mountain Dew, put on Bob's Burgers and take some notes. And that is what I do. That's your afternoon. Oh, my God, guess what episode came on today of Bob's Burgers? Which episode The one where they're teaching Tina how to drive in the parking lot?

Scott Benner 7:01
Oh, the thing you sent me the clip of, Oh, my God, it's so funny.

Arden Benner 7:04
I've seen it four times, and every time I'm like, Oh, this is so funny.

Scott Benner 7:09
What's is it, though? Is it the setup? Though, you like the way the actor spoke one of the lines, right?

Arden Benner 7:16
Yeah. It's like, they walk out of the store or something, and he's like, Oh, the parking lot's very empty. Gina, and she's so dumb. And she's like, uh, all right. He's like, You know what that means? And she's like, No. He's like, you get the keys. And she's like, why would i What do I do with the keys? And he's like, drive the car. And then they get in the car, and she it's the only car at the parking lot. Oh, my God, it's fantastic.

Scott Benner 7:40
I've never seen the Bob's Burgers. Are you telling me I have to listen or watch

Arden Benner 7:43
some episodes are amiss. Some are a hit. Okay, really depends. Every once in a while

Scott Benner 7:49
you're really very nice. Okay, good background, for sure. Yeah, good

Arden Benner 7:54
background. Okay. Anyways,

Scott Benner 7:55
so how did this come up in our house? We were talking about it one day, and you were surprised to know that, I

Arden Benner 8:04
think I had asked if your inner monolog was your voice or someone else's voice.

Scott Benner 8:11
And I said, What are you talking about? Yeah, right. So try to explain to me I don't understand what you're what you're experiencing. So why don't you first explain to me when? When are you most aware of it? Is it constant? If you take insulin or Sulfonyl ureas, you are at risk for your blood sugar going too low. You need a safety net when it matters most, be ready with G vo hypo pen. My daughter carries jevo hypopen everywhere she goes, because it's a ready to use rescue pen for treating very low blood sugar in people with diabetes ages two and above that. I trust low blood sugar emergencies can happen unexpectedly and they demand quick action. Luckily, gevok hypopen can be administered in two simple steps, even by yourself in certain situations. Show those around you where you store GEVO kypo pen and how to use it. They need to know how to use jivo kypo pen before an emergency situation happens. Learn more about why GEVO kypo Pen is in Arden's diabetes toolkit at gevok, glucagon.com/juicebox, juicebox gvoke shouldn't be used if you have a tumor in the gland on the top of your kidneys called a pheochromocytoma, or if you have a tumor in your pancreas called an insulinoma, visit gvoke, glucagon.com/risk, for safety information. Today's episode of The juicebox podcast is sponsored by OmniPod, and before I tell you about OmniPod, the device, I'd like to tell you about OmniPod, the company. I approached OmniPod in 2015 and asked them to buy an ad on a podcast that I hadn't even begun to make yet because the podcast didn't have any. Listeners, all I could promise them was that I was going to try to help people living with type one diabetes, and that was enough for OmniPod. They bought their first ad, and I used that money to support myself while I was growing the juicebox podcast. You might even say that OmniPod is the firm foundation of the juicebox podcast, and it's actually the firm foundation of how my daughter manages her type one diabetes every day, omnipod.com/juicebox whether you want the OmniPod five or the OmniPod dash, using my link, let's OmniPod know what a good decision they made in 2015 and continue to make to this day. OmniPod OmniPod is easy to use, easy to fill, easy to wear. And I know that because my daughter has been wearing one every day since she was four years old, and she will be 20 this year, there is not enough time in an ad for me to tell you everything that I know about OmniPod, but please take a look omnipod.com/juicebox dot com, slash juicebox. I think OmniPod could be a good friend to you, just like it has been to my daughter and my family,

Speaker 1 11:08
yes, but like when when you read a

Arden Benner 11:13
book, for example, this part, I can't wrap my head around that you don't have an inner monolog, because when I read a book, there's a voice in my head that is saying those words out loud so that I can take them in and understand them. And you hear the voice. I can hear the voice, yeah, not literally, but see, I'm

Scott Benner 11:32
already lost. I don't know what you're saying. I mean, my internal monolog, if I have one, is that when I'm thinking about something, I feel like I can hear my thoughts, but not audibly. I don't

Arden Benner 11:44
know what that like you were trying to explain it as like you feel your thoughts instead of hear them. Or that's that's what Liv had said to me. That's how Liv put it there. Yeah, that's how she explained it. She was like, sometimes I feel things as like, colors or moods. And I was like, what like? I don't understand. Like, you don't just like think. And she was like, no or like, when we were asked both to think of an apple, like, I close my eyes and I think of a real apple. And she said that she thinks of like a drawing of an apple.

Scott Benner 12:13
And if you ask me to do it, I can't do that. I understand how that's possible. I can't see an apple at all, like, I don't see it. You know what I see when I close my eyes, darkness, yes. And I don't even know if that's what blind people see or not. So I'm still kind of lost. But I just see black. I can't picture anything like, hold on, let's pick something really simple,

Arden Benner 12:35
an apple. I said, an apple. Okay, no, black. I

Scott Benner 12:40
just see, I just see black. The moon. The moon. Okay, can you see the moon? No, same, black. It looked like the apple. Do you see a moon when you close your eyes? Yeah, I imagine the moon, really. But I can't hold on. Let me imagine the moon. What the hell is the what? I don't know. I'm trying to try. I don't know. I don't I try to imagine. I don't see anything. I don't see nothing, nothing. I see black.

Arden Benner 13:03
It's not like the moon appears. It's like, yeah, like, you close your eyes and see black, but then your brain, like, makes the image of the moon kind of sitting in the center. Nope,

Scott Benner 13:12
nope, nope, nope, nope, nope, nope. Nothing. Did. Liv, listen. Liv, the one who told you that she actually sees red when she's angry.

Unknown Speaker 13:20
Yes, she

Scott Benner 13:21
does see red,

Unknown Speaker 13:24
the whole joke. Now,

Scott Benner 13:24
do you even understand that?

Arden Benner 13:26
Like I understand it. I don't see red when I'm angry, but I understand what she's saying.

Scott Benner 13:31
Is she saying that like her vision looks tinted,

Arden Benner 13:33
I think, like she literally sees the color red, but

Scott Benner 13:36
like as an overlay, or solid, I

Arden Benner 13:40
think, should I think a solid when people

Scott Benner 13:43
become angry, their body undergoes physiological changes, heart rate increases, blood pressure rises, adrenaline is released. These changes can cause flushing in the neck, in the face, making your skin appear red. Visual changes when people don't actually, while people don't actually see the color red when they're angry. Extreme emotions like anger can cause changes in perception. Adrenaline, for example, and stress can narrow a field of vision, give you tunnel vision, or even cause visual distortions, which can feel like seeing red metaphorically, wow, I don't have that either. I've been pretty mad. I

Arden Benner 14:20
don't have that. Yeah, you kind of go insane when you're a man. I don't have that either.

Scott Benner 14:25
Oh yeah, I guess so I'm better, yes. So, I mean, I'm trying to think that I get better as

Arden Benner 14:32
I get older. Do you or do I have to hold you back in certain scenarios? I

Scott Benner 14:36
have not had, like, a feeling like that in a while, actually, since you and I were pulling out of the Walgreens parking lot that one time.

Arden Benner 14:44
Yeah, and then before, or was it before or after that when, um,

Scott Benner 14:47
someone ran a red light. Oh, and would have, like, just,

Arden Benner 14:52
that was just t boned us, yeah, and you stopped, and I had to hold your arm so you didn't, like, run after them and kill them. Yeah.

Scott Benner 14:59
I'm sure I just would have spoken to them strongly about their not paying attention. You know what I mean? Yeah, all right, so you close your eyes and anything you think of, you see, yes, and I don't have that at all. Okay, so why can someone see an object in their mind's eye, which I think that's what that's called, and some can't. So does this make me more intelligent? What if I find out it makes you mentally unstable? Hold on a second lunch. Wait till you see I don't think that's true. The ability to see an object in a mind's eye or create a visual imagery is in one's imagination. Varies from person to person. Some people have a vivid mental imagery where they can clearly visualize objects, people or scenes in their minds as if they were actually seeing them. Others may have little to no capacity for it. It's a Oh, a phenomenon known as aphantasia, and afftasia. How about that? Affata is good.

Arden Benner 16:06
I have realized, oh, sorry, I'm I'm adjusting. I have a heating pad on under my butt, and it's like, really hot.

Scott Benner 16:14
Hold on. I think I turned it all the way up by accident. You always sit on a heating pad.

Arden Benner 16:21
Yeah. It feels so nice. It like makes my tummy feel good. Okay,

Scott Benner 16:24
nice. So some people may be naturally a more visual thinker, while others think more in words. So this is interesting. I think in words for sure. Do you think in pictures? No, I think in words. Want to hear something crazy. Wait, I

Arden Benner 16:39
don't understand if you can think in words, how can't you hear the words?

Scott Benner 16:43
I just know they're there, but I don't hear them also. While I'm a word thinker, I speak in pictures. Have you ever noticed that, like, I use a lot of imagery when I'm speaking? It's what people hate about me and my family and love about me on the internet.

Arden Benner 16:59
Oh, all right, wait. I was gonna say,

Scott Benner 17:03
go ahead. Mom describes my writing as flowery. What does that mean? She thinks it's too

Arden Benner 17:09
Oh, writing like words you'd like when

Scott Benner 17:11
I write, like, your like, actual like, signature, no, not, not my hand, my handwriting.

Arden Benner 17:16
I was like, That is not flowery at all. Maybe like, if it was wilting,

Scott Benner 17:21
I have terrible penmanship, like, if, if I ever, like, go crazy and, you know, do something insane, they'll point to my handwriting, and they'll say, we should have known this was coming. But what were you gonna say? I'm sorry. I

Arden Benner 17:34
don't know. I, like, had something I was gonna say in the night, and then the heat hit my butt, and I couldn't remember. Close your

Scott Benner 17:39
eyes, see if you can picture

Arden Benner 17:42
it. Oh, yeah, that was it. So I do find that like so if you want me to close my eyes and imagine something, I can imagine absolutely anything. I have a hard time remembering the exact features of people. So I can picture a person, but then I'll think about it really deeply, and I'm like, You know what? Like, now that I'm thinking about it like, I'm not sure if I have this portion of their face correct, and I think I kind of, like, mess up their face in my brain a little bit. I don't know why. Like, even like people I've known my whole life, like, like, even you, like, I can picture you, and then at some point, like, I'd be thinking about it so hard can see such a clear photo. I'm kind of, like, 3d like, going around your head. And I'm like, Wait, that's not right. Like, something's off, really,

Unknown Speaker 18:28
yeah, oh, I

Scott Benner 18:29
can't picture people in my mind at all. I can,

Arden Benner 18:31
like, rotate around a photo, like, it can, like, spin in front of me, so I can see the front and back and up of everything. So

Scott Benner 18:37
this is gonna sound crazy, but like, I'm using Cole as an example, because he's downstairs and I saw him 20 minutes ago with my eyes open. I this is going to sound stupid to you, because either we're describing something differently or we're having two completely different experiences, but I know what Cole looks like. Yeah, I know what Cole looks like, too. I can't picture him, but I'm aware that I'm thinking about him, and I can describe him to you right now, but I'm not seeing him. Yeah, I don't understand that at all. Yeah, I had a dream the other night about mom, and it was like a like a beat for beat lunch that we had together when she was, like 20 and she was in college, like I could picture the restaurant we were in and like her sitting across from me and like this whole thing,

Arden Benner 19:30
I had a dream last night that I had a professor, no one. I like, just a random person I made up in my head, and they were like a killer, and they like kidnapped my class.

Scott Benner 19:40
Wait, a random pretend Professor kidnapped your class. Yeah, where do you take you? Like

Arden Benner 19:47
a house, like some sort of house, like cabony house. I don't know. I don't have all the details. I remember waking up and then thinking, Am I going to go to psychology or not? Psychology philosophy is

Scott Benner 19:59
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Arden Benner 21:08
me just say, I think I made a great decision, because yesterday, in my recitation, I got a gold star because I was doing so well. And next class, I have this class again on Thursday. He literally spends the first 20 minutes recapping the class before and then goes into what we're learning that day. So I was like, and he puts the notes online right after class. So I was like, What am I missing here? Nothing. I'm missing 50 extra minutes of sleep

Scott Benner 21:36
feeling good about paying for that class too. No, I

Arden Benner 21:38
actually, I go to the recitation. I go. That is the second time I skipped that class, and it was the same day each time, and I've been fine. Okay,

Scott Benner 21:46
hold on a second. I want to look this. I've been looking at this word more, but I don't want to keep saying it incorrectly. So hold on. One second. Hold on. There's a word that begins with a that means that you don't have a mind's eye. How do you pronounce it?

Speaker 2 22:00
The word you're thinking of is a Fantasia. It's pronounced a Fantasia. It refers to the inability to visualize images in one's mind, a fantasy

Scott Benner 22:10
talking to you. That's chatgpt Four. Oh, that's my chatgpt app.

Unknown Speaker 22:15
That's a that's a woman. Yeah,

Scott Benner 22:17
I gave her a woman's voice. Why did you do that? I find it.

Arden Benner 22:21
Are you having marriage troubles

Scott Benner 22:24
with aphantasia? Aphantasia Sounds like a girl I met at a strip club,

Arden Benner 22:29
speaking of a things, I was today in the episode of Bob's Burgers, they're talking about, what is it called the Green liquor, Absinthe. And I was, like, looking into it.

Scott Benner 22:43
I'm like, did you know it's illegal? It can make you blind, right?

Arden Benner 22:47
Can you can, like, hallucinate people have, like, murdered people on it? Yeah. My god, that's crazy. Remember in New Girl when they drink it, is it green? Yeah. And they like, and what's her name? John mulaney's wife.

Scott Benner 23:02
John Mulaney is married to that girl that got famous on The Daily Show. I

Arden Benner 23:08
don't know why I thought her name is Minka Kelly, and it's not, oh, it's Olivia Munn. Olivia Munn, yes, and yeah. And she's, like, dating Nick. And then they, like, shoot a gun or something. Yes.

Scott Benner 23:19
Okay, anyways,

Unknown Speaker 23:21
all right.

Scott Benner 23:22
I don't know how that happened, but I'm getting off track. Don't forget, listen to this. Aphantasia is believed to be rare, affecting an estimated one to 4% of the population. These individuals have no mind's eye or their imagination is essentially blind. The ability to visualize events and images often plays an important part in people's lives. What am I missing? So

Arden Benner 23:45
are you like missing part of your brain? What's going on is

Scott Benner 23:48
aphantasia, a type of autism the internet's ridiculous. Hold on. Oh yes, aphantasia and autism linked by impaired imagination and social skills.

Arden Benner 23:59
Wait and you have aphantasia?

Scott Benner 24:01
I mean, I can't see the apple. Yeah, I don't know. Well, folks, Well, folks, what is yes? Are you on the spectrum? Dad,

Arden Benner 24:18
I don't spectrum is it's, it's broad,

Scott Benner 24:20
I don't believe so to remember

Arden Benner 24:27
one time I was watching Big Brother with Sanj and mom, and we're watching a show, and this girl on the show was like, saying, she was like, Oh, I'm on the spectrum. And Sanj was like, Oh, she's gay. Is

Scott Benner 24:42
that what she thought it meant? Are you sure you want to tell tell people that Sanj didn't understand that?

Arden Benner 24:46
And I was like, we were in like, eighth grade or something. And I was like, what? And she was like, she's gay, she's on spectrum. And I was like, no, she has autism, Sanj, and we had to literally explain that to her. Was, it was a great day. I was like, Wow.

Scott Benner 25:03
I missed, I missed eighth grade. I know, all right. Well, it has nothing to do with IQ. Apparently I just can't see pictures in my head. When you're speaking and you go on long like monologs, right? You're going to talk for a while to people, and it's, it's a couple of minutes of talking. Do you pre plan what you're going to say? Like, do you ever see people sit around real quietly and then all of a sudden they launch into something? Like, they've been thinking about it? I don't

Speaker 3 25:32
know. I guess it depends on the situation, because when I speak

Scott Benner 25:35
at length, like, if, if I'm interviewing somebody on the podcast, they're saying something. I'm I'm listening, listening, listening, and then when I start to respond, I really don't know what I'm going to say, and then I start going, and I build on it, and sometimes I'll get to the end and think, I don't know if that made any sense, but the person I'm speaking to was like, that's so perfectly said. And I'm like, I don't even know what I just said. That's

Arden Benner 25:57
how I feel when I write. Because when I write, I don't like, stop. I just, like, put all my words down, and then I realize that they make sense. Yeah, yeah, we're creative writers, not analytical writers. Yeah, I

Scott Benner 26:08
definitely couldn't. I couldn't write technically, for sure,

Arden Benner 26:11
yeah, I can't, and I have to do that soon. So I think my world may collapse.

Scott Benner 26:17
I burn a ton of calories when I'm speaking in public, like when I because I just did it this weekend, and it's it eats up so much of my energy.

Arden Benner 26:29
But like, so who told who told you that the calorie burning elf, how do you know

Scott Benner 26:33
I know? Because I'm dizzy when it's over and I have to eat well, or maybe you don't eat enough. Oh, I ate a fork. No, no. I ate before which you have a chip and a piece of a little slice of butter. No, I got up in the morning and I ate some fruit, some salt. Are you listening to me? A banana? Had a little, you know, like a scrambled egg,

Arden Benner 26:51
some fruit and a banana, some fruits like, those are the same thing, a banana. I

Scott Benner 26:55
had a banana, and I was gonna say fruit, and I remembered it was a banana, and then I

Arden Benner 26:59
saw, all I've heard is that you've had fruit in a banana. What else?

Scott Benner 27:02
Banana? Eggs. I had a couple of grapes and a piece of bread. Yeah, and then I spoke, and then when I'm done, I'm drained.

Speaker 3 27:12
Well, that's not that much food, Dad. Don't think so. No.

Scott Benner 27:16
I mean, it's protein and sugar and, like, fruity sugar, all that stuff. There is a little adrenaline too. I think there's kind of like a letdown afterwards from adrenaline, which I do think happens.

Arden Benner 27:30
But is that a, I think it's a come down on a letdown,

Unknown Speaker 27:34
uh, come down by fueling your own drugs.

Scott Benner 27:36
I think let down is pretty reasonable to say there. All right, we have to get back to the internal monolog thing. But I was going to tell you that, like, I know what I'm going to say, like, I got on stage this a couple of times this weekend. I just have to figure out how I'm going to start, and then I know once I start, I'll get through it, and that people will enjoy it when it's over, it won't be like, people aren't going to be staring, going to, my God, like, Come on, man.

Arden Benner 28:00
I'm not really given monologs, so I don't,

Scott Benner 28:03
yeah, I was just wondering, because I wondered if your inner, like I wondered, is a voice talking to you while you're speaking, if you hear the words before you say them, because mine come out of nothingness, that's what I was getting at. No,

Arden Benner 28:19
it's not like the words are said in my head and then I spew them out, like it's just like, if I'm talking, I'm just talking, but when I do speak, there is a voice in my head that's repeating the words. So the words are being repeated in my head by that voice while they're coming out of my mouth.

Scott Benner 28:35
Hmm, so you're saying that while I'm talking right now, it would almost be like an echo, kind of,

Arden Benner 28:42
there's like another voice on top of it. It's kind of like, you know, when you're editing something and you have, like, the sound from the video, and then you put music on top of it,

Scott Benner 28:49
yeah, it's kind of like that, okay, when I finished my book, I called the editor, or the the publisher, excuse me, and I said, I need some extra time. And they said, why? And I said, I want to read the book out loud to myself to see what it'll sound like when other people hear it. Because if I sat and read it, it didn't have like I couldn't feel anything about it.

Arden Benner 29:22
Sometimes when I was younger, if I had to read something, the voice in my head would, like, talk really loud when it was reading. So I was like, Oh, I feel like I'm not, like, understanding. So I would read out loud, because it kind of like took over the other voice. Like, sometimes I have to do that if I'm like, okay, whatever. Like, the voice in my head keeps repeating it that I'm not understanding it, that understanding it, then I have to read it out loud. So there's only one, like dominant voice talking. I

Scott Benner 29:47
want to go over a couple things that I've learned here. People have different cognitive styles. This says which refers to the preferred ways in which they think, learn and process information. Some individuals are more verbal. Thinkers, meaning they naturally think in words, or hear an inner dialog, which is weird, because I guess I don't think in words, then others might be visual thinkers who are process information through images. I don't do it that way, either or spatial. I do both of those things, okay? Or there's abstract thinkers who think in concepts or feelings rather than words. I think that might be what I am.

Arden Benner 30:22
Yeah, you're an abstract I think that's what Liv is too, okay, but I'm the first two. Inner speech

Scott Benner 30:28
typically develops during childhood, as children learn to use language to guide their actions and thoughts. For some this inner dialog becomes a dominant way of thinking, continuing into adulthood. However, not everyone develops this habit to the same degree, and some may rely more on nonverbal forms of thought. Okay, oh, this is interesting. Brain imaging studies have shown that Different people use different parts of their brain when thinking. For those who experience inner speech, the brain's language related areas tend to be more active, but in contrast, people who do not hear an inner voice may have less activation in these regions during thought, and instead engage areas related to visual processing or other cognitive function. So is that why I speak in like pictures?

Arden Benner 31:13
Is it like the thalamus or something I'm like learning about this stuff now the thalamus might be like a senses or something like Broca's area, b, r, O, yeah, broka, yeah. I'm learning about all that, but what's No, but what's in brokers? Oh,

Scott Benner 31:28
find out in a second. I took that passage, and I'm asking it if that could be the reason why you think and communicate more in imagery. Brain imaging studies, who suggest that people are more visual thinkers tend to activate differently different areas of the brain, such as those related to visual processing, like the occipital lobe, rather than the areas associated

Arden Benner 31:47
lobe is the lobe all the way in the back. It's for like vision.

Scott Benner 31:54
If you find your thoughts are more image based rather than word based, it might mean that your brain naturally favors visual spatial processing.

Arden Benner 32:00
If this lobe gets damaged, like that's when people go blind.

Scott Benner 32:04
Oh, really. Also, you know someone watching that

Arden Benner 32:09
it's a dagger in your eye. Then that could do it too.

Scott Benner 32:12
I could do it as well. This could be more inclined to think. This could make you more inclined to think in picture scenes or visual metaphors. It could also influence how you express yourself, often using imagery to convey ideas or emotions, that is what I do. The way I say it out loud is I kind of speak in pictures. I tell stories through I don't know that's crazy,

Arden Benner 32:34
but you the thalamus is um, for sensory and motor information, okay,

Scott Benner 32:41
the interesting thing is that you and I, I think we communicate similarly with other people, yeah, but you're coming from one part of your brain, and I'm coming from the other, and we're both doing the same thing when it comes out of our mouths.

Arden Benner 32:57
I guess that makes sense, though, because I'm, like, more introverted than you are. So we kind of like think the same, but we don't completely act the same, like when we're in conversation. I guess that makes sense. You use, the more like emotional part of your brain. I use, the more like words.

Scott Benner 33:13
Yeah, I do that constantly. I think it makes mom crazy. Sometimes

Arden Benner 33:19
mom just uses, like, wherever the numbers are,

Scott Benner 33:22
you know, because I'm like, This is how it feels. How does it make you feel? She's like, I don't know. Like, okay,

Arden Benner 33:27
Mom told me that she took a, like, a little quiz to, it's about, like, a emotional intelligence at work or something that they had to take. And I was like, well, it was empathy last and she was like, it was actually very high. So I think somebody needs to look over her shoulder when she takes the next

Scott Benner 33:41
she was lying. Oh, it's funny. You said something. I had a question about when you say that I feel more introverted. Like, how do you feel like that impacts you in your daily life. You okay? So

Arden Benner 33:58
when I get dressed and I go to class, I get in the elevator. I have my headphones on. I, you know, like, acknowledge people in the elevator. I don't try to make conversation with them. I go where I need to go. I sit down, I open my laptop, I do my work. When I go eat, I'll, like, watch it, like, watch a show or something, do all this stuff. If you were in that situation when you entered the elevator with someone, you would make a conversation. With them. When you sat down in class, you would probably turn to the people besides you listen to what they're saying and add to it like I don't I'm not doing that, but I bet that if we're listening to the same conversation or in the same elevator, we're having the same types of thoughts, but that our actions are completely different. Okay, so

Scott Benner 34:40
when you and I are in the elevator together, we're experiencing other people. You think that we are having the same exact reactions, or close to the same reactions, to what we're hearing, but you would never engage with them. That's

Arden Benner 34:51
not true. Like I might, but I don't like, I don't want to,

Scott Benner 34:55
not inclined to, yeah, but then it does that make you i.

Arden Benner 34:59
But if I told you, if I told you, like, Dad, you cannot engage with anyone today, you'd probably, like, start, like, going insane.

Scott Benner 35:09
I don't know, some days I don't talk to anybody. Well,

Arden Benner 35:12
I know. But if you're in a situation where, like, you want to talk to people, and I told you, like, you can't do it,

Scott Benner 35:18
oh, and I'm like, an excited kid who you're telling not to run away. Yeah, yeah, that could happen. I hear you have a lot of I have a lot of thoughts. Yeah, I know you do. When you have one of those thoughts and you don't release it or share it with somebody, doesn't it feel wasted to some degree? No,

Arden Benner 35:38
I realized, like, you know, ambi ambiverts, or whatever. It's like in the middle of It's like someone who's both introverted and extroverted. Okay, I think that's what I am. Because, like, after a long day, like, I want to come home and I want to sit here and do my work and be by myself, and then I can, like, gain my energy, sleep, watch television, whatever. But I do enjoy going out and doing stuff with my friends. But like, if my friends want to go to the club, I don't know something like that. I need to know that that's happening a couple days prior. I don't want to know that night that we're all going to go do something. Why? What happens? I need to know what's happening and build the energy to like, I need to know throughout the whole day that later tonight, I have something I'm going to do that's going to involve other people. Okay, because then I have enough energy to do it and enjoy it. But if you throw it at me after I've already done something and I wasn't expecting it, it's not enjoyable. But there are other things I like to do. Like, if my friends call me randomly and like, want to go on a drive or go do something, I can do that. But I think it's because I'm so close to them. So it's like,

Scott Benner 36:52
you know how mom can be a one event, one day person, yeah, like, we went through the movies now today is over. Like that, yeah, do you feel that way about stuff,

Arden Benner 37:04
about certain things, but not about that? Okay, but I am the type of person to be like, okay, like, if I have something big to do at like 5pm and I woke up at like nine, I'd be like, Oh, I can't do anything today. Like, I have something at 5pm

Scott Benner 37:21
I like to get up and, like, keep moving once I'm awake, which I think is to my detriment sometimes, because then I don't, like, relax. You know what I mean? Like, like, really, how many times in your life have you seen me take an entire day and sit on a sofa? Like, three times? Yeah, that doesn't like, I don't even

Arden Benner 37:39
when, even when you're sick, you're like, you're like, trying to get up and we're like, stay in here. Like, what are you doing? Yeah,

Scott Benner 37:45
it feels like there's so much to do. Or, actually, I take that back, it doesn't feel like there's so much to do. Like, I feel compelled to do things. There's so many things I'd like to do. I really I enjoy, like, being active. Like, when people say, like, when you gonna stop making the podcast? I'm like, that sounds ridiculous. Like, what the then? What would

Arden Benner 38:03
I do? I find it crazy that you say that. Because when you only really like to do the things that you enjoy, though, like, you don't like to do, like, different random things. Because, like, if me and mom were like, Oh, we want to go here and do this, you'd be like, oh, yeah, that doesn't sound fun. Like, Have you considered

Scott Benner 38:19
that maybe some of the things you want to do are just things that don't interest me? That don't interest me, yeah? But

Arden Benner 38:23
what I'm saying is that, like, they're things that my friends want to do that don't interest me, but because they want to do them, I'll get up and I'll be like, Okay, I guess I'll try something new. You

Scott Benner 38:31
don't think I go and do things with mom that I don't want to do? No,

Arden Benner 38:35
I'm sure you do, but you're not like, you, you don't express. You're not positive about it positive?

Scott Benner 38:42
Yeah, look who's talking.

Speaker 1 38:45
I never said I was positive person, but I try new things and I don't complain. You think I can? I just love the you like to complain. No, you like to complain. You don't think you enjoy complaining.

Unknown Speaker 38:58
No, oh

Scott Benner 39:00
well, there's a blind spot for you.

Arden Benner 39:03
I don't enjoy drama, I don't enjoy complaining. I don't enjoy more words than are necessary.

Scott Benner 39:10
What about when you have, like, lived through a thing, and you'll come to us and be like, let me break down for you what's happening, and then you talk for passionately, for many minutes or hours about what has happened and explain everything that went wrong and everybody that did everything wrong. And

Arden Benner 39:27
I'm not complaining. I just like to break things down and see why things happened like I'm interested in why people would do certain things.

Scott Benner 39:34
Okay, well, then I'm not complaining either.

Arden Benner 39:36
Oh, no, you just admitted you were and you completely are. Oh, I

Scott Benner 39:40
think my definition, I just realized my definition of complaining. If

Arden Benner 39:43
someone does something stupid, I don't come home and just complain about them. I come home and I question it. I'm like, why would they do that? I

Scott Benner 39:51
feel like that's what I'm doing too. But I also recognize at all what you're doing. I also recognize that is complaining, but maybe I'm. Um, ambiverted when it comes to complaining.

Arden Benner 40:02
That makes no sense. That sentence makes no sense. I think the editor should just take that out, because you look stupid. I was trying

Scott Benner 40:08
to say that like you, apparently can be ambiverts enjoy socializing, connecting with people, but don't feel the need to be around others all the time. They're equally comfortable spending time alone. And may switch between these modes based on their mood, energy levels or situations. I don't know that. That needs a name. Doesn't that just sound like reasonably normal

Arden Benner 40:25
me? No, because you're not like that. You're extroverted, not all the time, most of the time, you're extroverted. I'm ambiverted, like all the time, and like mom is introverted.

Scott Benner 40:38
That's true. What do you think Cole is

Arden Benner 40:41
a robot? I don't really know. He's introverted, right? Cole's introverted, but he like wishes that he could be like extroverted,

Scott Benner 40:49
because once he's around people he feels comfortable with, he is very open,

Arden Benner 40:53
but he's still introverted in that setting.

Scott Benner 40:55
He's still quieter, right? All right. So what did we figure out about this mind tie thing? And people that can't see pictures, do you think? Like, so, if I'm in like, a small percentage of people, like, so most people listening are like, Dude, I closed my eyes. I think Apple. There's an apple there. That's 96% of people.

Unknown Speaker 41:15
Why? I don't know.

Scott Benner 41:16
I mean, I don't know either. Like, it's seems weird. Did mom say she could see the apple.

Arden Benner 41:20
I don't think, I think we start talking, and mom just doesn't respond. I don't know, interesting. What about like, this kind of goes into like personality types. Like, do you know what your personality type is? Have you taken the Myers Briggs test? The Myers Briggs test? No, yeah. You should take it, and we should talk about that next time, because I know my personality type. Okay. I took it when I was like 12, and then I took it again, like at like 18, and my personality type changed completely. Okay,

Scott Benner 41:48
so you could be

Unknown Speaker 41:52
there's a lot of them, extroversion

Scott Benner 41:53
versus introversion, sensing versus intuition, thinking versus feeling,

Arden Benner 42:00
and then judging, judging versus perceiving. Yeah,

Scott Benner 42:04
there are 16 personality types. 16. Yep, hold on, I'm looking

Arden Benner 42:10
for the list. Really interesting too. Oh, do you, can you guess what I was when I was younger, and what I am now? All right,

Scott Benner 42:15
hold on, there's inspector, protector, counselor, architect, virtuoso, Adventurer, mediator, thinker, entrepreneur, entertainer, campaigner, debater, executive, Council, protagonist and the commander. I'm a lot of these things. You can only be one.

Arden Benner 42:35
Where's the egotistical asshole at?

Scott Benner 42:38
I was gonna say, actually, it's so funny. You said that because I was gonna say this says there's 16 personality types here, but I don't see asshole anywhere this list. Yeah, it's funny.

Speaker 3 42:52
See, we were both like, you're like, I'm the king the queen. No,

Scott Benner 42:56
no, I don't think that at all. Like, but, I mean, I could see fitting into a couple of these

Unknown Speaker 43:01
things. Wait. Let me look at them real quick. Can

Scott Benner 43:04
you guess what mine is, is now, or was when you were younger? Either or All right, I'll entertain this. The inspector is a practical, responsible, detail oriented and organized. This feels like, you know when people, and for everybody listening, who believes in this? I'm sorry already, but you know when people when people tell you about their like, birth sign, their like, what is that? Their zodiac signs, and then you read, you know,

Arden Benner 43:29
I think you would be an E, F, S, J, extroverted feeling,

Scott Benner 43:37
sensing, judging, wait, you can make your own up. Oh, that makes me mix of the four I'm looking now. That makes me the council warm, caring, social and detail oriented. Oh, you're not detail oriented. Yeah, that's why this feels

Arden Benner 43:54
but but basically you just have to put the two against each other. So are you extroverted or introverted? So I would say extroverted because it says could be described as talkative, not going like to be in a fast paced environment. And so worked out ideas with others, thinks out loud, enjoys being the center of attention. Okay, obviously. And then thinking or feeling, I would say, feeling for you, base your decisions on personal values and how your actions affect others. Value harmony, forgiveness. Like to be like to please others and point out the best in people. Could be described as warm and empathetic. I think that's more you, because thinking says level headed sensing and intuition. I said sensing focus on the reality of how things are, pay attention to concrete facts and details. Oh, wait, wait, wait, I'm gonna, I'm changing my answer to E, F n j,

Scott Benner 44:49
e, f n, j, the protagonist, charismatic, empathetic, inspiring and leadership oriented. That. Makes more sense to me. Okay?

Arden Benner 45:03
I think if you take the quiz and you get that, then I can graduate from this school already.

Scott Benner 45:07
They should just let you out. I don't really need to. I don't really need to go to this whole psychology degree. I think I got it figured out. My dad's an ENFJ.

Arden Benner 45:20
I don't actually think that you would guess what I got and what I have now.

Scott Benner 45:24
All right, so hold on. So inspector is practical, responsible detail, or

Arden Benner 45:30
do you see inspector you mean ISTJ do me to send you the list that I'm looking at. Oh, no, I see what you mean. I see what you mean. Okay, and

Scott Benner 45:40
then the protector, caring, loyal, meticulous, dependable. Okay, so that's not you practical, responsible, detail oriented. I don't think that's you insightful, creative, compassionate, idealistic, I don't think you're idealistic, strategic, independent, analytical and driven. That could be you. Which one's that i n t j the architect, the virtuoso, action oriented, adaptable, observant and practical. That's not you. The adventurer, gentle, artistic. I don't think you're gentle. You're not super spontaneous or flexible. The mediator, empathetic, I'll skip you there. The Thinker, intellectual, curious, logical and independent. No, maybe energetic, perceptive, risk taking and spot no sociable, playful, adaptable and practical. Social, no enthusiastic, creative, open minded and inspirational. Innovative, clever, argumentative and quick, winded, innovative, clever the debater, organized, efficient, outgoing, no, warm, caring, surgeon, charismatic, empathetic. You could be the debater. You could be. I give you the commander, but I don't think you're actually as confident as you appear. So, no, okay,

Arden Benner 47:17
I was taking this quiz like when I was 18, and then I took it again this

Scott Benner 47:21
year, charismatic, empathetic, inspiring and least leadership oriented. Uh, that could be you. Which one's that protagonist, the one you gave me, but I don't know if empathetic fits you completely. All right, so I've got debater. I've got counselor. Those are my two that I have for you. Wait which one's counselor?

Arden Benner 47:49
Letters,

Scott Benner 47:51
I n, f, j, okay,

Arden Benner 47:53
that's what I got when I was younger. Okay, was the counselor which is, I'll read about it a little bit.

Scott Benner 48:01
But can I tell you something crazy, like, what? The way you figured this out is you looked at the like the I and the F and the J and all that stuff. Like, I don't know what any of that means, because I scrolled past where it lists it.

Arden Benner 48:15
Yeah, so you're not detail oriented.

Scott Benner 48:22
I wish I would decide that all up. I just,

Unknown Speaker 48:28
I just read the words, yeah, you did what you wanted to do.

Arden Benner 48:31
I got it, yeah, go ahead. Okay, so INFJ is what I got when I was younger, like in the middle school, and then when I took it again in high school, and now I got E N T J, which is the commander, which you said, I don't think you're as a I

Scott Benner 48:45
don't think you're as confident as you, as you portray. You're confident, don't get me wrong, but I think that sometimes you are like, I'm confident in this, and I'm not going to think too much about it, because I hope I'm right, but I'm not sure, and I don't want to start doubting myself. But that might just be your

Arden Benner 49:02
age, but I got e n t, J, dash a, so sometimes they add something at the end as you match it. So it says I'm 54% extroverted,

Scott Benner 49:10
76%

Arden Benner 49:13
intuitive, 61% thinking, 61% judging, and 56% assertive, by

Scott Benner 49:21
the way. Here's the other problem. May I say that every time I take one of these quizzes, you and what's your name, look over my shoulder and tell me that I'm not I'm lying about myself when

Unknown Speaker 49:31
I'm like, well, sometimes you're just like, putting things down that like,

Scott Benner 49:36
like, just aren't sure how I see myself.

Arden Benner 49:39
Like, you'd be like, you have blonde hair, and you'd be like, Yes, I do No, that's ridiculous.

Scott Benner 49:43
Also, there's criticisms of this MBTI. It's popular, but it's also faced criticism, particularly from psychologists and researchers. Common criticisms include that it lacks scientific validity, that it's got a binary nature places people in. To one of two categories for each dimension, which may oversimplify the complexities of personality. Yeah,

Arden Benner 50:05
that I didn't say, you know, it was going to solve world peace. I'm just, I'm just telling you, okay, but here, but here are the people that I'm most like, the famous people. Ready? Steve Jobs,

Scott Benner 50:16
okay, I don't think his children liked him a lot. But go ahead. Gordon Ramsay, that crazy man who yells at people on the television. Yes, okay. Margaret Thatcher, Franklin D Roosevelt,

Arden Benner 50:32
Jim Carrey, Whoopi Goldberg, Harrison Ford Malcolm X, doctor, strange. Tony Soprano. Wait,

Scott Benner 50:41
did these people take Tony Soprano is not a real person, so they

Arden Benner 50:45
I'm not done. David Palmer from 24 Malcolm Merlin from the arrow. Mary Talbot from Downtown Abbey. Francis J Underwood, House of Cards. Jacqueline, a sharp House of Cards. River tan Firefly, my Lady Day winter, the three musketeers, Miranda, priestly, The Devil Wears Prada and Raymond Reddington, the blacklist.

Scott Benner 51:11
Okay, wait, no, we're Where did you get that? That's that web you've showed me this before that website, haven't you? Yeah, like,

Arden Benner 51:18
I like, have an account,

Scott Benner 51:19
and I have an account. They'll tell people that. Why didn't you just hold up your phone and say, I'm a douchebag?

Arden Benner 51:28
It tells you, like, career paths that are good for your personality. Oh, like I'm a born leader. Look at that here. Here

Scott Benner 51:34
are my weaknesses. I'm emotionally unaware, I'm impatient, a perfectionist that's

Arden Benner 51:42
true and domineering. What does that mean? Now, somebody may imitate colleagues.

Scott Benner 51:50
I've been told that before. You've you imitate your colleagues. What does that mean? I mean like

Arden Benner 51:55
people, people around, like you're just intimidating. Oh,

Scott Benner 51:58
wait you. Oh, I'm sorry, I misheard you. You're you intimidate people around you. Yeah, that does happen.

Arden Benner 52:05
It says My strengths are born. Leader, strategic mastermind, efficiency expert and ambitious.

Scott Benner 52:13
I have a list of famous people that may be associated with my ENFJ personality, which I'm accepting from you that I am okay, Obama, Oprah, Maya Angelou. I feel weird saying this. Martin Luther King, Jr, when I

Arden Benner 52:31
said Malcolm X, uh,

Scott Benner 52:34
Jennifer Lawrence, this one, I feel very strange saying Nelson Mandela, Mikhail, Gorbachev, Ben Affleck, like the drunk part of him, or the Emma Stone, Jennifer Garner

Arden Benner 52:49
stone, Emma Stone and Jennifer Lawrence and Obama, you win.

Scott Benner 52:53
Oh, those are your big, beautiful you love those people. Oh,

Arden Benner 52:56
I just threw Obama in there. But yeah, and John Kuzak, for some reason, see, like they're all like, they're all, like, pretty strong people, independent people, people like them, but they have, like, a silly side to them.

Scott Benner 53:06
Elizabeth Gilbert, the author of Eat, Pray, Love, known for her insightful writing, motivational speaking and fostering of personal growth.

Unknown Speaker 53:13
Yeah, look at this. I'm

Scott Benner 53:14
a genius. That is kind of what I do for a living. Sort of about that. Yeah, you're welcome. Jennifer Garner's kind. How do we know she's kind? She seems kind. I mean, from what I do, that from like the Capital One commercial, that's how I know where she's hocking

Arden Benner 53:30
that credit card still talks to Ben Affleck, after all

Scott Benner 53:32
he did. How do you know what he did? Well,

Arden Benner 53:38
oh my God, today we watched a video in Psych, and it was like we were talking about, but it's like this guy who, like, misspoke or whatever. Oh, we were talking about, what is his name? What is that psychology? Oh, fraud. Freud, worried. Yeah,

Scott Benner 53:57
him. This conversation is a fraud. You're thinking of Ziggy Freud, go ahead,

Arden Benner 54:01
all right, yeah, him. And we're talking about his theory that, like, basically no one ever makes a mistake, like everything that people do is on purpose. So, like, he would believe that, like, if you got in a car accident, that, like, your subconscious wanted you to get into that car accident, which is, like, a crazy thing, whatever. But our teacher showed us a video, and she was like, Okay, here's an example. Like worried would say that this man did this on purpose, and it's from like, years ago when, like, Jenny on the block, like that her album, or whatever, like, that thing came out. He's like, something about, like, oh, well, like something about curbs, curb a curb job, but now she's going to be giving blow jobs. And he goes, That's not what I meant to say. That's not what and he's like, on air, and he's like, I'm sorry i I won't make that mistake again or whatever. And we're all, like, cracking up in class. But, like, basically what Freud would say is that, like, That man meant to say that on purpose. Yes, which is like crazy.

Scott Benner 55:01
It's what he thought. And it came out even though he didn't want it to Yeah, right,

Arden Benner 55:06
which I guess isn't insane, but it's like, so like, if I lost my key, like, basically, like, he would say, like, Oh, if I lost my keys, and I can't go to class without my ID or something like that. But that was like, my subconscious, because I didn't actually want

Scott Benner 55:21
to go to class. Well, that's happened to you a number of times. Do you think that's

Unknown Speaker 55:25
true? No, I

Unknown Speaker 55:26
just think I lost my ID.

Scott Benner 55:29
So you think Sigmund fraud was a fraud? Yeah. Oh, bold stance. We don't believe I think we don't believe in Freudian thinking

Arden Benner 55:40
some of what he says is true, but, like, not everything you do is on purpose. I don't think that okay if I'm looking at my phone and I trip over something on the ground and fall on my face, like, did I do that on purpose? Now? But he believes that subconsciously,

Scott Benner 56:01
are you sure it's not possible that maybe he was, hold on? Oh, also, he

Arden Benner 56:05
was a big drinker, I heard. So there's

Scott Benner 56:08
the unconscious. All right. Do you want to put Freudian thinking on our list of things we don't understand? Nah,

Arden Benner 56:14
because I'm gonna have to learn about it so it's like I will understand it soon,

Scott Benner 56:17
maybe, oh yeah, that's true. I'm gonna write it here, because maybe you'll have something to say about it, but I'll put a question

Arden Benner 56:23
mark to my eyes. Look really tired,

Scott Benner 56:27
a little bit why?

Arden Benner 56:28
I'm just looking and I feel like you look tired. I kind of look like I have an allergic reaction.

Scott Benner 56:35
All right. Well, we're gonna go now, but I'm looking forward very much to talking about why Bridget Mendler has so much folklore around her where fat goes when you lose weight, and is Taylor Swift evil. Think she is. Did

Arden Benner 56:50
you see that video of her dancing with Travis Kelsey? And everyone's like, Oh my god, oh my God. Everyone dances. What are we talking about?

Scott Benner 56:56
I haven't seen that. I did see a picture of him dressed to watch tennis, and I thought maybe she's screwing with him, making him wear that. But

Arden Benner 57:05
we're like, right after she endorsed Kamala Harris, and he comes out, he's like, I support all that Taylor does. And I'm like, Damn man, you could just say like, yeah, I also support Kamala Harris. It

Scott Benner 57:17
gets what he meant, but he supports Taylor. Oh, well, we

Arden Benner 57:21
all soon enough, Taylor's gonna be the president.

Scott Benner 57:25
God, that would be horrifying, wouldn't it. Can

Arden Benner 57:27
you imagine Taylor Swift versus Donald Trump?

Scott Benner 57:32
What's her most favorite song from her me, yeah, what do you think her most favorite song or famous song, is? Oh, shake it off. I don't know. Shake it off versus the guy from the apprentice, who would win interesting? I don't know who would win that interesting. I'm

Arden Benner 57:52
not sure. I thought you asked me my favorite song, and I was like,

Scott Benner 57:55
What's your favorite? Taylor Swift? Do you have a favorite Taylor Swift

Arden Benner 57:57
song? Yeah, I think it might be invisible string, okay? Or I like mirror ball, or, um, you know, all those Taylor Swift songs, Dorothea, I like that.

Scott Benner 58:10
One is, is I stay out too late. That's the shake it off one, right? I think so that's all I know. There's

Arden Benner 58:18
nothing you know the part? Do you know the part where she says, shake it off.

Scott Benner 58:22
That's what people say. I don't know the whole thing. I

Speaker 3 58:26
don't like Taylor Swift, you have the worst voice in the world.

Scott Benner 58:29
Thank you. Yeah, I can't for a person with a pleasant speaking voice, I cannot sing at all. Who told you

Arden Benner 58:33
it was pleasant? A lot of people. Oh, all right, I don't have a good speaking voice. Oh, I

Scott Benner 58:38
disagree. You just think your voice is deep, and you think that's not good, right?

Arden Benner 58:43
Yeah, I have a deep voice, and I like,

Scott Benner 58:45
I mumble. You mumble? You do mumble. Mom talks under her breath a lot, too, but I think that's different.

Arden Benner 58:53
I think mom's just having a stroke. Half the time she's talking. Sometimes she talks on the phone with me, and I go, I don't know what you just said.

Scott Benner 59:02
You know she, she'll listen to this, right? Yeah, I know. And I tell her that, okay, all right, well,

Unknown Speaker 59:10
I think she, I'll call her right now and tell her that she's

Scott Benner 59:13
starting to do that thing that people do when they get like, I'm not saying She's old, but when people get older, they seem to do that thing where they start their sentence in their head, like, yeah, and then, you know, start it out loud about four words later, yeah, yeah. That's been happening a little bit anyway. Kelly, if you're listening, we love you, but you've been starting your sentences on, like, word five. I

Unknown Speaker 59:37
wonder why the ice maker, Mom, can

Arden Benner 59:38
I have an ice maker, please? Thank you. Can

Scott Benner 59:40
we already say yes to that, yeah, but I don't see it anywhere. Oh, you thought it was just gonna show up. I thought it was gonna appear in a thin air.

Arden Benner 59:50
I thought I actually cannot believe it's only Tuesday. Let me say that right now. Oh, I'm gonna

Scott Benner 59:56
put this on my list. I'm. While, why do people start speaking five words into their sentence? See if we can figure that out. I think that's a really good one, honestly, because I don't want to say that my mom used to do that, because I think mom will get upset if I say that. But I realized my mom used to do that sometimes, and I was like, What are you talking about? Then, then they say it again. And I'm like, Yeah, you didn't say most of that out loud. You know, what else I find really fascinating? Uh, let me guess. Go ahead.

Unknown Speaker 1:00:28
Oh, God, this is hard.

Scott Benner 1:00:30
Your eyes closed. What were you visualizing?

Arden Benner 1:00:32
There's so many. I was thinking about jelly, actually, peanut butter and jelly. But I was thinking about like, how they make jelly, like grape jelly, blueberry jelly.

Scott Benner 1:00:43
That's what I was wondering about today

Arden Benner 1:00:46
in class, she told she showed us a picture of a white elephant, and she said, Don't think of a white elephant. And the first thing I thought of was jelly the beans. Jelly. About jelly? A lot today.

Scott Benner 1:00:56
Did you say jelly the beans? Not

Unknown Speaker 1:00:59
just Jelly Bean.

Scott Benner 1:01:00
You said jelly the beans. No,

Unknown Speaker 1:01:02
I said jelly beans.

Scott Benner 1:01:03
Everyone rewind and listen. She said, Jelly the beans. No,

Unknown Speaker 1:01:07
I didn't. I said, jelly beans.

Scott Benner 1:01:09
Okay, we'll find out what I was gonna say and I'll let you go. Is, I think it's interesting when two people in a room together and one person thinks they said something and they didn't and then swears they did. I find that fascinating,

Arden Benner 1:01:21
or when someone swears they didn't say something and they did say it. Yeah,

Scott Benner 1:01:24
I also think it's interesting when you hear something earlier in the day and then you talk about it as if it was a new thought that you had.

Arden Benner 1:01:30
You kind of look like you're, like, 45 years old and in a band, like, I feel like you're supposed to have like, eyeliner on right now. I

Scott Benner 1:01:38
don't know what you mean by that, so let's just go. All right, thank you for doing this with me. I appreciate it. Okay, yeah, bye. Bye.

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