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Scott Benner 0:00
OmniPod, Hello friends and welcome back to another episode of The juicebox podcast.

Kimberly is from Calgary. She's had type one diabetes since she was two and a half years old, and today she's 44 Kim's children inspired her to go on a pump, and today we're going to talk to her about her life, her diabetes and her family. Nothing you hear on the juicebox podcast should be considered advice medical or otherwise, always consult a physician before making any changes to your healthcare plan, don't forget to save 40% off of your entire order@cozyearth.com All you have to do is use the offer code juicebox at checkout. That's juicebox at checkout to save 40 percent@cozyearth.com and if you have type one diabetes, are the caregiver of someone with type one and you live in the United States, that's either or, but that one for sure. Go to T 1d exchange.org/juice, box and complete the survey. I don't even know if that was clear. You have to have type one be the caregiver for someone with type one also live in the US. T 1d exchange.org/juice, box. Help propel type one diabetes research forward by answering a few questions in their survey, T, 1d, exchange.org/juicebox,

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Kimberly 2:57
My name's Kimberly Gray, and I'm from air drill, Alberta, Canada. I'm married to Darcy for 24 years this year. And we have two girls, Mackenzie, who's 21 and Courtney, who's 17.

Scott Benner 3:11
Wow. How old are you? Kim Kimberly? How old are you?

Kimberly 3:14
4444 Wow. You've

Scott Benner 3:17
been, you've been going hard from the beginning.

Kimberly 3:22
There's something. People say that, yeah,

Scott Benner 3:25
you sound as Canadian as anyone has ever sounded to me in their entire life. I just want you to know that.

Kimberly 3:29
Well, that's a good thing. I

Scott Benner 3:31
guess I am absolutely, absolutely is.

Kimberly 3:34
So we're like 20 minutes out out of Calgary. So I know you know where Calgary is because of the flames, so we're about 20 minutes north of there.

Scott Benner 3:43
You think I know where, where Calgary is, that's sweet. I've

Kimberly 3:47
heard you say that on a podcast a couple weeks ago.

Scott Benner 3:51
So here's the problem. I only know things in short bursts, and then I forget a lot of them. My wife says like so we played this game last night. We got my wife and I got in bed, we did not play the game. You're thinking we played a different game where we brought up she brought up a television show that we watch religiously together, and she's like, go ahead and tell me the characters names. And I'm like, well, there's the little Spanish girl. And she goes, what's her name? And I'm like, I don't know. And then I'm like, and there's the girl with the wide hips, and she goes, and her name is and I'm like, no idea. She goes, What about the lead guy? And I was like, I'm not sure. I don't I've been watching this show for six years. I don't know the character's names at all. It's meaningless to me. I don't. I don't know how to explain that to you about me. So we drilled down, and I did start coming up with a couple of names. And I was like, is that one Tim? And she goes very good. And I was like, What's his last name? Like, oh my God, his last name. How am I supposed to know that? That was my answer. I was like, how am I supposed to know. That, what makes you come on the podcast? What? What made you interested?

Kimberly 5:03
I started listening to it last year, and I just got hooked on it right away. I'm up to episode three.

Scott Benner 5:10
Oh, Kimberly, are you listening just straight through?

Kimberly 5:15
Very cool, yes, yes. And I love it. It's so it's so good the first one or the second, wherever the wherever the Everest one was it. It hooked me for right from there, it was so interesting and so cool. And yeah, and I just wanted to come on and share my experience. Cool.

Scott Benner 5:33
I appreciate that you talking about the mom who talked about her daughter's time on Mount Everest.

Kimberly 5:39
Yes, that one was fascinating. Okay, very

Scott Benner 5:42
nice. That was pretty early on. You know, the way the podcast started was weird, because before I actually could get up an episode, I got an interview, and I genuinely did not know what I was doing. I've never listened back to that one. Maybe I should that might be fun, but yeah, the first one that went up was with this guy that was at that time on American Idol, and had type one diabetes. And podcasts were such a new idea back then that I just sent him an email, and I was like, Hey, I have a diabetes podcast you want to be on. And he was like, Yeah, I didn't tell him. I'd never actually put up an episode before. So Adam laughs your test on me. And he was terrific, by the way, it was great. I remember that one too. It's a weird start to the show, though, because, like the next number of episodes are all like me talking about management by myself. Anyway, I just remembered as being very strange, like I was getting ready to pop this other episode, and suddenly I was interviewing somebody had never done it before. Nevertheless. Okay, so who's got diabetes in your little group over there?

Kimberly 6:48
Me, me, myself and I you do not,

Scott Benner 6:50
not the girls.

Kimberly 6:52
No, none of the girls. They both had the nut trial done, and they've both been negative so

far. Oh, you did trial net for both of them. Oh, yeah. Trial net, sorry, I

said net file, but yeah. Trial net,

Scott Benner 7:04
net, trial, trial net, I understood what you meant. Same thing. Yeah, don't worry about it. Well. So how long ago were you diagnosed? When I was two and a half? Oh my gosh, that's a while. 4042. Years ago. Yeah, two years ago when you were two and a half, did you have brothers and sisters?

Kimberly 7:21
I have a brother, yeah.

Scott Benner 7:22
Does he have any autoimmune stuff? No, he's good. He's clear. And if you're in Canada, 40 some years ago, what was your management like?

Kimberly 7:34
What I can remember of it was like a lot of the What's it? Called it the exchanges, where if you want to eat this, then you can't eat that, and if you want more of this, then you have to take that out. So I remember that part of it, and I remember I had, like, a brown, a big brown meter. I remember that from back then, okay, but that's about it, because I was so young, right?

Scott Benner 8:02
When's the first time you really start having, like, a conscious memory of you managing yourself?

Kimberly 8:09
I'd say likely, around 1989 after my second year of going to camp. Okay, how old were you? Then I would have been nine. Nine. Okay,

Scott Benner 8:19
yeah. Just just

Kimberly 8:21
not completely managing, but I've started to be able to do my own injections. They had this thing at the camp called an injectees that would hide the needle, because I'm definitely afraid of needles. I'm terrified of them really, yeah, so I don't use them. I wouldn't like, it's the syringe that I'm terrified of. So if it was, like, a pen, I was fine because it wasn't the syringe and, like, if I could hide it in the injectees, I was fine because I couldn't see the syringe. But

Scott Benner 8:52
the minute you see the metal that you're not okay with, no,

Kimberly 8:56
I'm not it. Just, it kind of creeps me out a lot.

Scott Benner 9:00
What happens to do you get weird inside? Like, do you feel nauseous or it's

Kimberly 9:04
just panic? My first time that I had to have blood drawn was extremely traumatic. I got post PTSD from it. So that kind of led down this path of being horribly afraid of needles. Since then. How

Scott Benner 9:21
old do you think you were when you had the bad experience with the blood draw? Oh, about six. Six ish, yeah, that's not a good age for that to happen. I had a blood draw the other day, and the girl was a genius, like she just slipped that thing in there. And I was like, Get out of here. That's it. Way to go, like you wanted to leave her, like, there should be a tip jar on phlebotomists desks.

Kimberly 9:45
Oh, that's a good idea. It's

Scott Benner 9:46
not a bad idea at all, although quickly they would learn who does well and who doesn't. Because I would have happily, like, given her $5 on the way out the door, like she just like, man, it was easy. So you had a bad experience, and it stuck with you, though. Yeah. Yeah, like

Kimberly 10:00
the chair. I can't sit in the chair. If I go to get blood drawn, I have to lie down because the chair just freaks me out. I can't even walk into a room where there's one of those chairs

Scott Benner 10:10
where you where you can put your arm on either side, on the flat little panel. Yeah, yeah, no, thank you to this day, yep, I have to lie down. Do you have any other odd, not odd, but any other, like, significant reactions to other things in your life that have hung on to you?

Kimberly 10:28
No, that's it. Just the terrible fear of needles and blood draws and that kind of stuff

Scott Benner 10:34
about that. It's really something. Arden does not like it either. It's the worst. Yeah, she's overcoming it, but she's not a fan,

Kimberly 10:42
and like my husband, literally has to hold my hand while I'm getting it done. Oh,

Scott Benner 10:47
it's nice. He's a good person. Is that like date night for you guys, you go get a blood draw.

Kimberly 10:54
Not really date night. It's date day. Date day.

Scott Benner 10:56
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Kimberly 13:40
Uh, no, actually, Mackenzie is a nurse. She's up in Stettler, which is two and a half hours away, and she's loving it up there. She, um, can do it pretty much everything. And Courtney's just finishing our last year of high school, so she's got no fear of anything. She can go get her blood drawn, and no problem, bother at all.

Scott Benner 14:01
Is Mackenzie named after that very famous Canadian movie? No,

Kimberly 14:05
Mackenzie's named after um Ruthie in um Seventh Heaven. Really, yes, because her, her real name is Mackenzie, and yeah, that's how she got her name. What

Scott Benner 14:18
movie Am I thinking of with Bob and Doug McKenzie, wait a minute. I have no Oh, my God, you don't know how much younger are you than me? Like eight, nine years. Hold on a second. Maybe this is upsetting because you're Canadian. Let's figure this out. It was about beer. It was a moot, yeah, what was it called? It was about beer. What was that called? I think it was an SCTV skit, and then it was a movie. Eventually, Bob and Doug Mackenzie, but then what was the movie called? And they would be, they were like, take off a and then like, What the hell was Why can't I find out what the hell the movie was called? This is for. Ridiculous. I have the internet in front of me. Hold on. Come on, internet. Strange brew. You don't know this movie. No, never heard of it. Rick Moranis, and who is the other guy? Dave Thomas, neither of these names strike a chord with

Kimberly 15:16
you. Rick Moranis, you know him from Ghostbusters, but yeah,

Scott Benner 15:20
at some point in this conversation, will you please say oh yeah at the end of one of your sentences,

Unknown Speaker 15:25
oh yeah, yeah. Thank

Scott Benner 15:26
you. Appreciate it. Wow, yeah. All right. Well, everybody, strange brew, probably not a good movie. Just I just the movie I remember, uh, from my childhood, I guess. Okay, fine. Look at me. My my references are getting too old. Towards the end of the episode, we'll talk about the Kardashian woman taking out her butt implants, and we'll modernize the whole thing so you have any other autoimmune stuff.

Kimberly 15:49
I have the markers for celiac, the blood markers, but they haven't done the scope yet so, but it's likely going to come back positive when they do it.

Scott Benner 15:59
Do you avoid any foods.

Kimberly 16:01
I try to eat gluten free as much as I can. But, you know, I ate gluten for God right up to last year, so it's still kind of hard. Like when we go out for dinner or something and the kids in Darcy wants a burger, it's like, yeah, let's just go to the burger joint. I'll have a burger, I'll be sick tonight. Well, whoop dee doo.

Lija Greenseid 16:22
What kind of sick? What are we talking about here? Stomach,

Kimberly 16:25
diarrhea. I get heartburn sometimes from it, and indigestion. So is the

burger that good? A Five Guys Burgers? Yes, okay.

I mean, totally worth it.

Scott Benner 16:38
Because when you're eating, are you thinking like I'm gonna have diarrhea later. No, oh, I would be thinking

Kimberly 16:43
this burger is awesome. Am I glad I took it and made it?

Scott Benner 16:50
How is your health generally? Do you have problems with nutrition like so, like your body absorbing nutrition or weight, or anything like that? No,

Kimberly 16:58
I'm pretty good with that. My doctor started me on a bit just to try and help control sugars a little bit. So I lost 50 pounds last year. Wow.

Scott Benner 17:07
Get out of here. I

Kimberly 17:08
was happy with it.

Scott Benner 17:09
I've lost 50 pounds with a GOP. That's my number two. Good for you, yeah. How did it impact your insulin needs?

Kimberly 17:17
They went down. They went down quite a bit.

Scott Benner 17:20
Yeah, I would imagine. So it's interesting because you're listening to the podcast from the beginning to the end, like it could take you a year or more to get to the part where I'm using ozempic or, um, I started with, we go V and I'm using zepbound now. But you'll also eventually hear episodes with other people who are having the same exact experience you did. Took a GLP, insulin needs went way down. It didn't change your digestion at all, though, with the bread, for example,

Kimberly 17:47
no, no, no, I don't eat bread as much, very much, because I I hate bread. I ate too much of it when I was younger. Okay, you're all breaded. I'll try and stately about

Scott Benner 17:56
it. I feel like it's upsetting to say you don't like bread, but are the other day I took up, all right, no, I took a piece of bread and I put a little butter on it, and some cease, like, some salt, like, just a sprinkle of, like, something like a pink salt. Perhaps it was as best part of my day. So tell me a little bit about,

Kimberly 18:13
sorry, I eat a lot of fruit and, like, vegetables and that kind of stuff, meat, I I love meat, and it's just the starchy stuff. I try, like, potatoes, a lot of potatoes, a lot of rice. If we make spaghetti, like, we'll make a pot of regular spaghetti for them, and then I'll make a little pot of gluten free spaghetti for myself, gluten free. Like, I'm not totally strict on it. Like, I'm not one of those people that, Oh no, my my tongs touch the regular spaghetti, and now they're touching the gluten free spaghetti. I don't freak out about it like that. It's we gotta live our lives too. So

Scott Benner 18:49
what would happen if you got to the doctor after this, and they give you the scope, right? And then they say to you, listen, you have like damage in there, and you gotta be gluten free from now on, and they're going to give you the talk about how eating gluten when you're you have celiac could lead to some kinds of cancer. They're going to get that whole talk. Like, would after that, would you be like, All right, fine, I won't do it anymore. Or do you think you'd be like, I might have a cheeseburger once in a while.

Kimberly 19:18
I think I'm going to be, I'm going to have a cheeseburger every now and then I've lived this long, if, like, it's not, I don't know. I don't know how to explain it really is

Scott Benner 19:27
this enough? Have you had enough of life?

Kimberly 19:31
God, it's just that if my kids want to go out and have a burger, I'm gonna go out and enjoy myself with

Lija Greenseid 19:36
them. Okay, you can't just take the bun off and eat it. No, gross.

Scott Benner 19:42
I gotcha, I

Kimberly 19:43
gotta eat a burger as a burger, like a burger is a burger. Listen,

Scott Benner 19:46
I'm not arguing with you. I'm just trying to get your own book. That's all. I can't do the grease anymore. Even five guys just it's all too much for me. I don't like grease. It's it's been my thing for the last couple of years. I cut out a lot of different oils and. And anymore. Kelly got fries the other day, and I took two of them, and as I was chewing them, I thought, Uh, why am I doing this? Like, all I could taste was like the grease that was in them. I don't know what happened to me. Yeah, I still love french fries. So maybe celiac coming? Definitely type one. Anything else?

Kimberly 20:18
No other than that, I'm

Scott Benner 20:19
good. Okay, no. Thyroid, nope, no.

Kimberly 20:23
It's good. Ray

Scott Benner 20:24
nods,

Unknown Speaker 20:26
uh, what?

Scott Benner 20:26
Your hands cold all the time. Your feet cold?

Kimberly 20:29
No, oh, that's good. I got a little bit of neuropathy in my feet, but for being 42 years and that's the worst thing, I'm okay with that too.

Scott Benner 20:40
Okay. But when did your did your management change? Like, because you said you started exchange diet 42 years ago, you might have been using animal insulin, right? Like beef and beef and pork and then, no,

Kimberly 20:51
I think it was NPH in Toronto. Okay,

Scott Benner 20:54
so you started with the mph. And when did you go to faster acting? When did you go to like, I don't know, Humalog or Lantis or something like that.

Kimberly 21:01
I don't think any of that until I was actually pregnant with Mackenzie, really. Yeah, I had the same like, I didn't have good doctors at all until I was about 15 years ago. They just, they didn't help with anything. My experiences at the hospital were horrible. Like, it was just Yeah, so and then sorry, go. I

Scott Benner 21:29
want to know about it, like, so, like you're because you're basically discussing, like, from two years old to 30 years old. Nobody was really helping. So and you were, you were just doing, were you still doing exchange up until then?

Kimberly 21:42
I don't know when the exchanges quit. I think I just started eating regular, like, just eating, and then I had a sliding scale. Yeah,

Scott Benner 21:54
yeah, that's something else. Wow. So what? What are some of the places looking back that you were let down by your doctors,

Kimberly 22:00
definitely management, definitely explaining, like, when I got old enough to understand, they still didn't explain anything. And, like, this was before the internet, so I just couldn't go on the internet and say, hey, yeah, please explain to me what's going on or anything, just like, that kind of stuff. Yeah, it was just bad experiences, and no one really looking after me. It was more looking after the numbers,

Scott Benner 22:29
right? You feel? Did you feel alone? Like? Where did that leave you?

Kimberly 22:33
I was very alone. My my childhood. I was alone. I had a hard time making friends. They thought I was weird. I was odd. There was something wrong with

Scott Benner 22:43
me because of the diabetes. Yep,

Kimberly 22:46
I can remember going to school one year, the very first day, one of the kids there said to me, Hey, Kimberly, do you still need to eat snacks all the time? And this is right in the middle of big group of kids. And they all started giggling and laughing. And, yeah, I had a rough childhood, because I was, like, the only one in the school district out here

Scott Benner 23:07
that had it. And then, and you'd get low. You get low. Sometimes have to eat something. And that's what they made fun of you for

Kimberly 23:13
snacks. Yeah, because they didn't, they didn't understand. They should have

Scott Benner 23:16
given us some of those snacks. I might have calmed them right down.

Kimberly 23:20
You know what I mean? For snacking and stuff during school, I would have to go down to the office. I couldn't just stay in the classroom and have my little juice box. I actually physically had to get up and go down to the

Scott Benner 23:30
office. Oh, okay, so it separated you from everybody, made you seem different, and then shuttled you off somewhere else. Yeah, yeah. But that sucks. Kids suck and like,

Kimberly 23:41
back then we didn't have the teacher's aides, like the 504, plans. Sure, I never heard of one of those until I started listening to you. So I had no teacher's aide, no school nurse. I was I was actually sent home in a snowstorm once so low that my mother found me in a snowbank around the corner, passed out. No, really, because the teachers had no idea I was trying to put my mittens on my feet. And it didn't clue into them that there was something wrong. They just sent me out the door so

Scott Benner 24:12
they saw a little girl putting mittens on her feet, and they kicked her out into the Canadian tundra. Yeah, my god, yeah.

Kimberly 24:20
And then the ambulance came and got me and took me to the hospital. And when the ambulance came back, the drivers actually went to school and gave the teacher. What for do you

Scott Benner 24:32
ever wonder how we made it this far? Because I do okay.

Kimberly 24:35
I do sometimes, yeah. I

Scott Benner 24:37
mean, as a population of like, how, how, how did someone see that and just go, ah, kids, probably not having a stroke. We'll just send her outside, like in the into a like a a significant storm, right?

Kimberly 24:52
If I was walking down the back alley or anything, I was walking down your egg, like I could walk into the middle of

Scott Benner 24:58
the street, you were just walking down the middle. Roll the street. Well, I could have been Yeah. They would

Kimberly 25:03
say, yeah, it was a main drag road. So I could have taken off into the middle of the street, and they would have never known.

Scott Benner 25:10
Well, that's crazy. So when you're say you're walking down the main drag, like, what am I imagining? Northern Exposure or No, not that rural. No, no,

Kimberly 25:23
not that rural. Close though, I would get just like a main street on your on your Boulevard, right, yeah,

Scott Benner 25:30
but like the kind of place where a moose could wander down through town, or no,

Kimberly 25:35
we have had moose here. So it could happen. That could happen. I was actually getting up to drive work the other day, and I drove down my back alley, and there's apartments at the end of the of the alleyway here, and there was a deer just wandering into the farmer's field behind the house here.

Scott Benner 25:56
You said farmer field. And I thought for sure you're gonna say pharmacy. I thought you were gonna say, since you were just wandered into the pharmacy. Well, well, yeah, I mean, listen, you like again? You you live on an ice shelf, I imagine, right? So, polar bears, that kind of stuff, not quite. I

Kimberly 26:12
don't have polar bears. Winnipeg has the polar bears. I'm Alberta. It's great. We have gophers, gophers

Scott Benner 26:20
that go through the snow sometimes, yeah, when it snows there in the winter time, what do you get a foot? No, well, what's a foot in centimeter? Like,

Kimberly 26:34
get 10 centimeters today,

Scott Benner 26:36
10 centimeters. 10 centimeters is only, like, basically a third of a foot. Oh, well, then, okay, it's not a lot of snow. Then,

Kimberly 26:45
No, not right now, no. Or it's this. It's a spring, spring snowstorm. Nothing serious.

Lija Greenseid 26:52
What about in this, in the in the heart of the winter, though, when you get hit, does it? Is it a lot? It could be

Kimberly 26:57
we can get up to 30 centimeters, like a

Scott Benner 27:01
foot, yeah, that's a foot, my god, yeah, yeah, all right, Jesus,

Kimberly 27:08
but we get the cool, cool temperatures, like we get the minus 40, minus 50, oh, my God.

Lija Greenseid 27:13
Are you serious, yeah, can I ask a sincere question?

Kimberly 27:18
Okay, why

Scott Benner 27:19
don't you move like, go somewhere else. It's just very cold,

Kimberly 27:23
because I've lived here all my life, and I'll never leave. It's

Scott Benner 27:27
not a thing you think of, like, when it's minus 40, which, I don't know what that is, Fahrenheit, like, I don't have time to figure it out. But like, when that happens, you're not like, oh my god, it's so cold outside, I'm gonna die. Or, like, I have to stay indoors for two months at a time. Or like, none of that happens. You just live your life.

Kimberly 27:47
Just go on living real plane, yeah, but just keep on keep on going. What can you do? It's part of this the seasons here. Has

Lija Greenseid 27:57
snot ever frozen to your face? I don't think so. No, have you ever seen snot frozen in a man's mustache or beard?

Kimberly 28:05
I think my husband's before, yes, and you

Lija Greenseid 28:09
don't even know it's there, right? They don't how cold it is. Do you ice fish or have you no? Do you know people who do? No, I don't think I do. You don't have a lake around there.

Kimberly 28:23
We have a couple, but none that freeze like for that kind of that

Scott Benner 28:29
kind of thing activity. No kidding, no, that's very interesting. I'm sorry. I'm mesmerized by that. I would leave immediately. I would tell everybody, I love you all. I'm moving somewhere south. You can come or you don't, doesn't matter to me, but I'm selling all this stuff, and I'm getting out of here. And then I would go somewhere where it would never be negative, anything ever again in my life. That's, oh, I God bless you. I don't even know how you do it. I would listen, I want to be clear, if it was minus 40, whether it's Fahrenheit or Celsius, I don't even care. And I had to go somewhere. I would bitch for about an hour and a half before I left, as soon as the door opened, you would hear me go, Oh, like that. That's the first noise I would make. And then I would go outside. I would complain the entire way I was outside. Oh, my God, you'd never hear the end of it.

Kimberly 29:13
Oh, the worst part is, is brushing the vehicles off when you have to go out or go to work, that's the worst part. How's

Scott Benner 29:20
that even gonna happen? It's so cold we probably can't even get it off.

Kimberly 29:23
Oh yeah, because we the scrapers will get it off. But it's down cold standing out there doing it. Yeah,

Scott Benner 29:30
no kidding, no. Again, I'd consider leaving, but you love it there. You think it's terrific, huh?

Kimberly 29:36
Oh, I love it here. I'll be here forever. Like I said, so amazing. It's a little city. I've grown up here.

Scott Benner 29:41
I'm amazed, don't I mean, like, in a nice way, like, I think it's nice. I just, you would hear me complaining, miles away, kilometers, I'm sorry, away. I'd be complete. You'd hear me. What's that noise? I think that's Scott bitching about how cold it is outside. God, quite possibly. Yeah. So when you get to 30 and you have a change in your management style, what precipitates that like, what makes you finally look for more information or shift or whatever? Wanting

Kimberly 30:11
to be around for my girls and start learning, and I don't want to hide anymore. I want to be able to be like, Yes, this is me. This is what I have. It doesn't make me a bad person, no, and I'm learning to accept

Lija Greenseid 30:30
it. You felt that way for a long time, though. Yeah, I'm sorry. Are you? Are you crying? No, I

Kimberly 30:39
just have a cold nose because I'm sitting in the cold car.

Scott Benner 30:42
Oh, oh yeah, because your husband's sleeping and you're afraid if you talk, the dogs will bark and wake up your husband Exactly. Yeah, I appreciate this. How cold is it right now? Where you are zero. Wait, it's April. It's still that. I know it was 78 degrees here yesterday. I don't know how to tell you how warm that is. Hold on a second. 78 degrees Fahrenheit, in Celsius, 25.5 yesterday. I swear to God, you gotta leave. Does it get humid there in the summertime? Yes, it can. Yeah. Oh, my God, then what's the benefit of living there, muggy, muggy. Oh, yes, You're upsetting me. I gotta deal with sub temperatures, and it's going to be humid in the wind, in the in the summer. Yes, and a moose might walk down the street, quite possibly, yes, oh my God,

Kimberly 31:42
and the coyotes might jump the fence from the farmer's field and attack your dog.

Scott Benner 31:48
What the hell no, no. What is this? An episode of The Walking Dead. What do you what do you have going on there? Oh my gosh. Okay, all

Kimberly 31:56
right, we back right onto a farmer's field, and you can hear the coyotes howling in the night.

Scott Benner 32:02
Yeah, that, yeah, but you have a car, right? Yes, yeah. You should try driving south till it warms up. I'm telling you, you know, I want to dig more into this idea about like, being around for your kids. So do you mean to tell me that for the first 28 years of ex, about time of your life with diabetes, you felt so badly about yourself, likely because of the way you grew up with it, that you couldn't bring yourself to tell people you had diabetes or even ask for help. And then it occurred to you one day, I'm not going to live a long healthy life if I don't do something. Yes,

Kimberly 32:35
and that's when I went on a pump. Is then that

Scott Benner 32:40
got you doing insulin pump? Okay? Yeah, I would

Kimberly 32:43
always tell the doctor, because she would ask me, Do you want to go on a pump? Do you want to go on a pump? And I'm like, No, I don't. I want you to give them to the kids, like, in general, the kids, so they don't have to live the life that I live. Like Kimberly,

Scott Benner 32:58
did you think there was a limited amount of insulin pumps available. I didn't know they'll make enough. Remember,

Kimberly 33:04
I wasn't educated very well. Why

Scott Benner 33:07
were you not educated very well? Because you were constantly at the office about the slides

Kimberly 33:13
and diabetes. I never, oh, I wasn't very educated.

Scott Benner 33:17
But the doctor never said to you, Kimberly, honey, I got enough for everybody. Are you sure you really wanted the kids to have it, or you just were looking for an excuse not to do something new?

Kimberly 33:26
I wanted to be sure that they were looked after and they got an opportunity to have it. And like, I'm not talking my kids, they don't need it, but like, just the kids in general, in the world, that it was more important for them to have and live a better life than what I had, then for me to have it.

Scott Benner 33:46
Yeah? I mean, it's upsetting that a doctor wouldn't tell you it doesn't work that way. You can have one and they can have one. Yeah, you know, and, and same doctor for all those years, this

Kimberly 33:57
was like, just my GP general doctor, okay,

Scott Benner 34:01
oh, that's so you weren't even seeing somebody specifically for diabetes. No,

Kimberly 34:09
I had not seen an endocrinologist until about 22,008 was the first time I saw an endocrinologist, really.

Lija Greenseid 34:18
Why do you think that happened? Just the

Kimberly 34:23
communication got broke down, I'm guessing, um, I

Scott Benner 34:28
didn't know any better. Interesting. And did you feel like you were doing well, or did you actually think you weren't doing well, but you just didn't pay attention to that part of it.

Kimberly 34:38
I think I was doing okay, like I wasn't perfect by any means. My endocrinologist I have now went back to, I think it was 2008 and pulled up my a one C's, and they ranged

Scott Benner 34:52
from 8.0

Kimberly 34:57
down to right now, which is a 5.9 mm. Hmm, so it wasn't horrible, like, I wasn't in double digits by any means. But,

Scott Benner 35:04
no, no, no. But was there a lot of variability? Was there up and down with your blood sugars? Yes, there was.

Kimberly 35:10
I was quite brittle. I guess you could say, like they couldn't use a lot of Toronto insulin on me, or I would drop very, very quickly.

Lija Greenseid 35:20
Okay, what about nowadays? What? What's your management style now? What are you using?

Kimberly 35:25
I have a tandem pump. Sorry, OmniPod, but it's okay. I did have an OmniPod for 10 years, the upgrades and the renewal and the that kind of stuff, like the OmniPod five, we couldn't get get it here for years still, like, it just got approved this year, yeah. And the technology in the tandem was more what I was looking for than okay. And the dash, like, I got a dash, and I just, I just not like it at all. For some reason it just, I, I didn't like it.

Scott Benner 35:57
Listen, you don't have to apologize for finding whatever works for you, that's fantastic. You know, if you've got something that you like, that's great. Are you using, like, control? IQ,

Kimberly 36:06
yes. And I gotta see GM, yeah.

Scott Benner 36:09
So you have a g6 or do you or Libra? G6 No, g6 Okay,

Kimberly 36:13
I did the libre. I didn't like the libre either. It wasn't, wasn't what I wanted. So

Lija Greenseid 36:19
why? What's the difference for you between the Dexcom and the libre. The

Kimberly 36:23
Dexcom, at least brings the numbers up right away. Libre, you have to scan it.

Scott Benner 36:27
Oh, so you had libre back when it had to be scanned. Yeah, I don't think it's like that anymore. Oh, maybe not. You'll never know. How are they gonna like, that's right, no one's gonna tell you in Calgary now you're using an algorithm. Do you still think of yourself as like, difficult to manage with insulin? Or is that all become more stable? More

Kimberly 36:50
stable, but I still have kinks to work out every now and then, and just like everybody, and I can't be perfect. I I know I try to be perfect, but I cannot be. I tend to have number anxiety when I see numbers that I don't think are right. I kind of like, get it down. Get it down. Yeah, my educator kind of told me that I had to up my high alert because it was too low. She's She said to me, Why in the world do you have it that low? I'm like, so I can catch it faster. Yeah.

Scott Benner 37:25
Where was it set at?

Kimberly 37:27
It was set at a 7.7

Lija Greenseid 37:30
why? Well, I don't actually do move it. Or did you tell her I'm having good luck? Why would you ask me to change this?

Kimberly 37:35
I moved it up to an 8.5 which is a 154 for you guys.

Scott Benner 37:41
Why did you do that? Like, did you have a problem with it?

Kimberly 37:45
I didn't have a problem with it, but I was getting to the point that I was getting too focused on the numbers, and it was taking away from family time and stuff like that. So she said it would be a very good idea for me mentally, to move it up a

Scott Benner 38:03
little bit. Okay, has it helped?

Kimberly 38:07
Yeah, she wanted me to move it up to a 10. And I was like, No, that's too far. So I moved to 10.5

Lija Greenseid 38:14
what is wrong with what All right? Is this an endocrinologist?

Kimberly 38:19
No, it's just my educator.

Scott Benner 38:21
Oh, Jesus. Okay, so you,

Unknown Speaker 38:23
you have a, oh, no, no. She's

Kimberly 38:24
really amazing. She's very amazing. Okay,

Lija Greenseid 38:29
I mean, what? What was your a 1c before that,

Kimberly 38:35
the last one that I just got was a 5.9

Lija Greenseid 38:39
is it rising now that you changed the alarms?

Kimberly 38:43
I don't know. I don't go till May to get my next one done.

Scott Benner 38:47
Oh, you don't have you have a g6 Do you have clarity set up? It would tell you what? Oh, yeah. It, wait a minute,

Kimberly 38:56
you sound very cool a little bit, but I've got it down again by

Scott Benner 39:00
paying more attention to it. Yeah, do you see what I'm saying? Yes, no, no, okay, it doesn't. Are you a people pleaser?

Kimberly 39:07
I try to be. Oh, you

Scott Benner 39:09
try to be a people pleaser.

Kimberly 39:11
I was a sock up in high school. So, yeah, maybe, wait, wait, wait, you

Scott Benner 39:14
were a sock a, what a suck up like

Kimberly 39:17
a teacher's pet in high school.

Scott Benner 39:19
I I thought for sure. She didn't say, suck up. I thought I misheard you. You were happy with where your alarm was set. The doctor told you to move it because it would help you to not pay as close attention to your diabetes, which is not helping you with that, because you are still paying closer attention to diabetes to get your number back to where you wanted it. So why would you not put the alarm back to where you wanted it?

Kimberly 39:44
I might get there eventually.

Scott Benner 39:46
What's stopping you not wanting to make Chelsea mad? Is Chelsea your educator? Yes. Is she listening? She could be. She said

Kimberly 39:57
she was going to listen to my episode. Oh. Chelsea,

Scott Benner 40:00
listen, this is what we got going on here. Kimberly is stuck between a rock and a hard place. Okay? She wants a low, stable, a 1c she doesn't want to be burned out. And at the same time, if you put up her alarm, she's just going to think about it anyway, right? Yeah, so wouldn't it be wouldn't it make sense to spend the time together figuring out how to stop that alarm from beeping instead of just pushing it up so that it beeps later and then makes you go crazy, because the blood sugar's more like 180 or whatever.

Kimberly 40:30
That's the thing. If you don't catch it fast enough, it ends up going sky high.

Scott Benner 40:35
Where did you learn that? Where did I learn that from you? Yeah, okay, so, so let's figure out. Why are you seeing excursions that are going up? Are you pre bolusing your meals? Are you like, what do you think is causing that?

Kimberly 40:52
I think sometimes it's just the carb counts aren't dead on. Okay?

Scott Benner 40:58
And then do you wait for the algorithm to bring it down, or do you bolus again?

Kimberly 41:01
If I see that it's going up too much, I'll do it. I'll bolus it again.

Scott Benner 41:08
Otherwise, you're happy to let the algorithm work. If it's like, maybe more like 140 or something like that,

Kimberly 41:15
like, right now I'm at a 10.3 so I'll hit that and bring it down here when we're done, okay?

Scott Benner 41:23
Because it's it's

Kimberly 41:25
going up too. But I think that's likely going up because of adrenaline, nervous and adrenaline and all that kind of stuff, right?

Scott Benner 41:33
Plus fight or flight, because you're freezing to death in your car. Are you at least? Are you in a garage?

Kimberly 41:38
No, I'm out in the open air. No

Scott Benner 41:40
wait, you're in so, oh my god, Kimberly, I can't be responsible for your death. So you're telling me that, although, if you I don't want to say that, but if somebody was the dialog I was recording with them, I do think it would become a very popular episode, but I don't want that to happen to you. You're saying to me that you're it's zero degrees outside right now? Yep, and you're inside of a car that is not running, no, so they make background noise so that your dog won't wake up your husband. Yes. Kimberly, do you have the keys to the car with you? Yeah, do you want to startle up and warm up the car a little bit while we're talking? No, I'm okay. You're okay, okay, I had it on before

Kimberly 42:24
we started, so the seats are nice and warm, and I just put my hands under the blanket. I'm good. All right, listen,

Scott Benner 42:30
if you start putting your mittens on your feet, tell me okay, because I'll make sure we do something mittens on your feet. And they still sent you outside. Then no one was like, hey, that kid might be like, have an aneurysm or something. Maybe we should check on that. How old were you? Do you think

Kimberly 42:46
I was in grade three, so likely around what nine or 10 ish

Scott Benner 42:51
is the answer old enough to know not to put your mittens on your feet? Well, yeah, yeah, you've been let down by a lot of different people. Okay, um, do your kids know much about your diabetes? Yes,

Kimberly 43:06
they do. They learn. They know um. Courtney knows how to do a gunshot if she has to. She knows how to do everything um. And of course, Mackenzie knows how to do stuff when she's home. And she actually, actually, both of them follow my

Lija Greenseid 43:23
Dexcom. Oh, that's lovely. Did they ever help you, like mom? Are you okay? You ever get texts? Yes,

Kimberly 43:30
I get texts from Courtney all the time when she's in school. And I get um, from Mackenzie. I get told, hi, mom, the nurse is a mirror laughing at you because your numbers are going crazy. Wait, why should? Why is she shares it with the nurses up there? Why

Lija Greenseid 43:46
is she with the nurses? Because she is a nurse. Oh, that's right. Okay,

Kimberly 43:50
yeah. Sorry. When they're bored on overnight, like the overnight shift, they'll sit and they'll look at my numbers, and sometimes they'll play bingo with it, and

Scott Benner 44:00
while they're waiting for injuries to come in off the oil rigs. Am I right? Mostly

Kimberly 44:03
not oil rigs, but more of the telephone line people. There's a lot of linesman up there.

Lija Greenseid 44:10
Oh, no kidding, and they fall. Yeah,

Kimberly 44:13
they can, yeah.

Scott Benner 44:15
Hold on a second. I'm going to try to remember that the next time I complain about my job to somebody. You could be a linesman. I actually found myself the other day saying I had to record that podcast three times today. But I I've never fallen from a poll, so I guess maybe I'm okay. What about just burning out? Have you gone through that?

Kimberly 44:38
Oh yeah, I went through that hardcore tell me when I was about 1616, 1718, I started with the burnout. I wanted to be like my friends. I wanted to drink what they were drinking. I wanted to eat what they were eating. I didn't want to be different anymore. It lasted a long. Long time, actually likely, until I was pregnant with Mackenzie, it was I was still riding the burnout train.

Lija Greenseid 45:07
What did that look like, day to day? Were you not using insulin as much as you should have, or what were you doing? No,

Kimberly 45:13
I still did all of that. It was more what I was eating and like, I still did my testing, I did my insulin, I did all that kind of stuff, but it was more I was eating the chocolate I was eating or drinking regular drinks. I was just eating whatever. But then I would use my sliding scale and bring things back down to where they should be, right.

Scott Benner 45:35
Let me say something where I'm going to sound like a leftist, communist hippie. Okay, I was in a restaurant last week with Kelly. We do a thing on Saturdays. Since the kids have gotten older, we go to lunch on Saturdays together. Because, you know, we just work a lot, so we want to make sure that we do something together once a week. So we're having lunch, and I look over at the table next to me a couple, and their two kids. And the kids are like, four and six, maybe, right? And the waitress comes along and says, like, what do you want to drink? And everybody orders their drinks. And for the kid, she goes, Do you want chocolate milk or coke? And I'm like, water. Could get a little little water, maybe, and, like, I don't know, something that doesn't have a, like, 48 grams of sugar in it, maybe, like, no, like, just chocolate milk or coke. And I have to tell you, like I had a visceral reaction when the kid ordered a coke. I was like, why are we letting a four year old drink that? I don't understand that. But I guess everybody my I says to my wife, this is this, is this, in case you want to know what it was like to be at lunch with me. Then I was like, I don't understand this. Like, what people give their kids soda, like this, like, sugary soda. And she's like, Yeah, everybody drinks soda. I was like, I don't know, man. Like, I don't that doesn't make sense to me. Like, I don't know. No, we never let our kids drink that I don't know. I'm not saying I'm right or wrong. It just It strikes me very strangely,

Kimberly 47:03
I didn't get any sweet serve any sort while I was growing up. Well,

Scott Benner 47:08
yeah, they didn't know what to do with you because they would have had to start exchanging things off your diet.

Kimberly 47:12
Oh, exactly. I do remember that once, like, I got up early Easter morning and I snuck out and ate all of my brother's Easter chocolate. Nice. I got in trouble for that one.

Scott Benner 47:25
Was he pissed?

Kimberly 47:26
I think the parents were pissed more than he was.

Lija Greenseid 47:28
Did they give Oh, and you didn't have Wait. Did he get Easter chocolate and you didn't? Yeah, oh, I don't think he can do that, though that's tough.

Kimberly 47:38
And then, like, I grabbed the bag of Oreos once, and I snuck and ate them under the bed in my parents room. Under the bed Oreos, I ate the Oreos under the bed in my parents room.

Scott Benner 47:51
How old were you?

Kimberly 47:53
Maybe five or six. Okay,

Scott Benner 47:56
do you think these are all responses to diabetes?

Kimberly 47:59
Yes, definitely. And being treated differently, and being treated

Scott Benner 48:03
differently by your family or by others, or by both, even,

Kimberly 48:09
even by my family, because my brother would get the chocolate, but I wouldn't. And, yeah, yeah.

Scott Benner 48:14
So your your family treated differently because at school did, when you're getting ready to have a baby, you decide to do a little better for your for the baby, right? Or was this even a thing that you thought or did the doctor tell you

Kimberly 48:27
when I got pregnant with Mackenzie, they had told me to wait, and I didn't understand why, because nobody ever explained to me a 1c or numbers or anything like that. And being young and dumb and stupid Darcy and I were like, No, we're ready. Let's get the show on the road. So I got pregnant before I had my appointment with my Pregnancy Clinic type thing here, and the doctor there actually told me that I have to abort. McKenzie, wait, because you and I was like, wait, no, I am not doing that. Oh, hold

Scott Benner 49:05
on, Kimberly, let's pick through that. How pregnant are you? You didn't get pregnant on purpose, I imagine. Oh no, I did. Oh, you did. I did. Okay, so

Kimberly 49:13
you did. I was ready. I didn't want to wait for the doctor's appointments because they were going to be months. Apparently, when you get pregnant, when you're diabetic, you're supposed to have these great numbers, which nobody informed me of.

Scott Benner 49:24
And so you get there, and the doctor's like, you're gonna have to have these great numbers. But you didn't think, did you think you could do it? I

Kimberly 49:31
was really kind of in shock, and didn't really know, but I worked my ass off to do it, and the doctor actually told me twice that I should abort my baby.

Scott Benner 49:41
What was your a 1c at, when he, I mean, I guess it was a guy, right? Yes,

Kimberly 49:46
he was a guy, and I still remember his name, and he was an awful, awful

Scott Benner 49:51
doctor. Was his name? Dr Demento? No, no, it wasn't.

Kimberly 49:55
Anyways, I kept Mackenzie and she turned. Note like she was 10 two, when she was born, and she was three weeks early. And then for Courtney, we did it the right way. We got the A 1c down where it was supposed to be, did all the planning work, and she was nine, nine, and she was four weeks early. So

Scott Benner 50:21
what was your a 1c when the doctor's like, you have to have an abortion, I couldn't

Kimberly 50:25
tell you. I'm assuming it was up in the eighth. I'm guessing, because that's as far back as my current endo could go. She couldn't pull she couldn't pull up my numbers, likely because we didn't have computers back then for it. We it was all paper charting back then.

Scott Benner 50:42
Okay, so when you say, No, I can handle this. I'll make it like, where did you get your a 1c down to during your first pregnancy?

Kimberly 50:49
I couldn't tell you. I don't think they ever told me. They might have told me, but I don't remember it. Yeah, it's

Scott Benner 50:55
fine. I couldn't tell you. What does work harder? Mean, then? Like, what did you do that? Like, I don't know, changed your outcomes.

Kimberly 51:02
The biggest thing was, at that point, I changed to pens, and I started doing the four injections a day. Okay? Because before that, I was still on only two injections. Still, at that time in my life, I was still on only two injections a day. Obviously, you

Scott Benner 51:19
don't like needles. So was this a lot about you just didn't want to be doing more injections, and so you just looked at higher blood sugars. Or were you not testing like, did you not know what they were? You just counting carbs and putting it in? Yeah,

Kimberly 51:34
I didn't know any better. Wow, that's really something. I just I did not know. The communication got screwed up somewhere. I didn't get put through to the right people. And

Scott Benner 51:45
so Kim, after you, after, after you're told this about the pregnancy, and you're, I mean, you're trying harder, but you don't really know what that means. But what point do you really take control of it and say, I'm going to find out everything I need to know, and I'm going to do the things I need to know, and I'm going to follow through and see if it works like At what age did that happen for you? 26

Kimberly 52:03
likely for my second pregnancy, when I got my together, started to make sure I was going to be good for for this pregnancy, and then after the kids were born, it was likely 2008 where I really put things into play and started seeing my endo that I have now regularly. And how

Lija Greenseid 52:28
did seeing an endo help? If it did?

Kimberly 52:32
Oh, she's absolutely amazing. She helped me get numbers figured out. I can text her whenever I need to, I can call her home if I need to. I had my wisdom teeth out, all four of them at once, and I was sedated for it. She told Darcy that he used to call her every hour with my blood sugar, and he actually missed one hour calling her and she she was calling us to make sure everything was okay. Oh, she's amazing. I yeah, I don't want to say her name, because I don't know if she'd be okay with that, but she'll know who she is if she ever listens to it, because I can't say enough good things about her.

Scott Benner 53:16
You see what a difference it makes to find somebody who's engaged with you, cares, focused, understands what they're doing, and is communicative and good at communicating, oh,

Kimberly 53:26
like, I will send her Christmas pictures of the family, birthday pictures of all of us. Like, each time there's a big event, I send her the pictures, and she writes back and like, she's She's everything I wish I would have had earlier. Yeah, tell

Scott Benner 53:44
me why that's so like, like, why that level of intimacy? Like, sending pictures of your family. Like, what do you feel like she's done for you?

Kimberly 53:52
She's made it so I can be around with them, so I'll hopefully be here longer. And she's, she looks after me like, I don't know how to explain it, she's just

Scott Benner 54:04
a special person, amazing. Yeah, she she's

Kimberly 54:06
a very special person. And like, for five or six years, Mackenzie and I would do interviews with her students, because she's also a teacher at the university out here. And every time we would do the interviews, I would tell the students, I said, make sure you that you turn out like her, like be be there for your patience. Listen to them, understand what they're going through, and not just make snap judgments just because they say one thing wrong or whatever. Yeah, like, we're all learning.

Scott Benner 54:41
That's good advice. And

Kimberly 54:42
I'm I'm still learning, like every day, I learn something new listening to you.

Scott Benner 54:47
Oh, I'm glad. Oh, that's wonderful. I really do. I love the idea that you're listening from the beginning, that you're you're so many years behind where the podcast is right now. Wish I had that experience to have over again. I don't even know. Oh, it's funny. You're listening to stuff. I probably couldn't even remember that I did at this point. I just

Kimberly 55:04
started year 2020, so I'm waiting to see what you're going to do when all the covid stuff comes up. Oh,

Scott Benner 55:11
yeah, we talk about covid for a little bit, huh? I wonder how wrong we got that in the beginning.

Kimberly 55:16
I don't know. I'm waiting to see. And I just listened to the one where you read the story of the Grinch, How the Grinch Stole Christmas.

Scott Benner 55:24
That became a favorite. I've done that a couple of times since then. Oh, really, good. I can't wait. I think there's other Christmas poems in there along the way. On Christmas, I wanted to stop doing it, and I got chastised into doing it again this year. And I was like, I said, I said, I don't think people care. And

Kimberly 55:42
oh, yes, yes, we do. Oh, okay. Like, it made my day. Driving home from work, it made my day. Oh,

Scott Benner 55:48
I'm glad. Okay, well, I'll keep doing it. Then for you, Kimberly, if nobody else, oh, thank you, of course.

Kimberly 55:54
Because, like, I'm a nursing attendant in a long term care facility, and sometimes that listening to that kind of a thing, it just made my day so much better coming home, because it was a rough day at work that day.

Lija Greenseid 56:07
Oh, it's so nice. Thank you. Is that tough helping people who are older? It

Kimberly 56:11
can be when they don't know what they're doing and they're hitting you and they're spitting at you and they're biting you. And it can be, it can be very hard, but then you just have to think like they don't know what they're doing.

Lija Greenseid 56:27
It gets to that point they really just aren't they have no idea. Yeah, happens at all different ages. Yeah, yeah.

Kimberly 56:37
We have some really good, really good ones, and we have some that are just nasty. Why don't

Scott Benner 56:43
you put them on one of those moose and just slap the moose in the butt and just let them go.

Kimberly 56:49
It's not legal.

Scott Benner 56:51
Legal. What is legal? Legal? Smeagol, right? You're in Canada, the wild west of Iceland. You can do whatever you want, actually, which which one is that Iceland is warm in Greenland is cold, or is it vice versa? I don't know. Don't ask me. Yeah, I should learn more stuff before I talk on the podcast, but it'd be a lot of work. So I'm just gonna keep getting you should come to Canada, Canada. I gotta come to Canada so little kids make fun of me about my snacks. You know that's gonna happen

Kimberly 57:24
on a minus 50 day. You should come to Canada, step off the plane in your T shirt and

Scott Benner 57:31
listen, you're on the west coast of Canada. Am I right? Yes, yeah, I am not flying out there for anything. I don't even know. I don't even know what you'd have to tell me was at the end of that flight for me to get on the plane. That's not nice. No, I don't I'm just telling you I don't care. I don't care. That's that very well may be. I don't want to travel like that. That's my problem. Actually, I think I'm currently ignoring a diabetes association that asked me to come out the Western cap. I think, I think I owe them an email, but my email is gonna say so far away. Seriously, there'd have

Kimberly 58:07
to be. I tried to get, I tried to get Chelsea, to get you to come out here.

Scott Benner 58:11
Maybe this is who I'm ignoring. I don't know. Like it's so far. It really is. It's the distance that bothers me, not the Canada part. I would love to see Canada one day. I mean, I'm fine with it, seeing it or not seeing it, but if I see it, I'd be happy about it. I just I'm saying it's the distance thing. I don't want to be on a plane for five hours. Uh, oi,

Kimberly 58:31
that's horrible. Not five hours.

Scott Benner 58:34
Oh, my God, doesn't this sound terrible? Are you being sarcastic with me because I was agreeing with you. It's horrible. I was being a little sarcastic. I mean, I need a first class ticket. First of all, I don't want to. I can't be, uh, like, squished for five hours. You see, I'm already upset thinking about it. And then, like, even somebody said to me one time, like, Wouldn't you love to go to Hawaii? I'm like, Oh, my God, so far away. I gotta get on a plane. I gotta fly to California. That's five hours. Now get on another plane and fly again to another place, far away. For who? For what Ricky waters once said after the Philadelphia Eagles gave him a lot of money and he didn't try to catch ball, that's a bizarre statement for me, but anybody who lived through it, the eagles were a bad football team, and they finally spent some money on a running back. They got this guy named Ricky waters, and in his first game, think they were losing. In fairness, had he caught the ball or not caught the ball, I don't believe anything would have changed. And this past is sent to him. It's a little out of his reach, but if he just would have reached out, maybe laid out for it, he could have caught it, and he didn't. He just watched it go by like and then afterwards, the media asked him, you didn't make much of an effort for that ball, and he goes for who for what. And I was like, Oh, I feel very good about the money we just spent on him, for who for what.

Kimberly 59:50
He's very happy with it. How about

Scott Benner 59:51
for everybody watching the game and for all the money we gave you? And I know I didn't give it to him, but it felt like I did when he said he wasn't going to try that hard. You. Again, this has nothing to do with you, but I can't I mean, Hawaii would have to be Hawaii. Plus, I don't know what else you could offer me at this point, but it would need to be something, a lot of money, money, sex. I'd have to come back with a perfect hand. You'd have to promise it to me all the things that people love, like, there'd have to be a free car there when I got there, that would be back at my house when I got home. It's just so fcking far. I don't know, I hate it. I did a talk once in Oklahoma, where the wind comes right behind the rain, you might know the place, and I had to fly into Texas and then drive, like, I don't know, an hour to where I gave the talk, and the whole time I was in the car, I was like, Oh, why is the airport not closer to where I'm going?

Kimberly 1:00:57
I had to fly into LA in November. Okay? And this is another thing, like one of my fears with being diabetic and everything, I was absolutely terrified to go through customs and security and all that stuff, right, okay, and Darcy

knew this beforehand, so him

being the jerk face that he can be sometimes that I love. I'll just put that in there. He would watch border security and how all these people get caught taking stuff across the border. And I'm like, Darcy, this is not doing very good for me, and I have to cross the border in a week. Do

Scott Benner 1:01:39
you ever call him Mr. Darcy? No, I don't. From the movie. No, what movie do I mean? It's the one with the British people.

Kimberly 1:01:49
Oh, I have no idea, but I never call him Mr. Darcy. Isn't that, um, love, actually, or is it the other one?

Scott Benner 1:01:57
My reference for things today is off. I couldn't remember strange brew. Wonder what's isn't it? My Fair Lady with Mr. Darcy. I don't know. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, hold on a second. I

Kimberly 1:02:12
have no idea. Oh, now you're pulling it up. It's Pride

Scott Benner 1:02:15
and Prejudice. Oh, but Well, well,

Kimberly 1:02:19
he does not fit into that era at all. So no,

Scott Benner 1:02:25
that's well, that's why it might be funnier. Consider it, if you would think about it, you don't have to do it, but get back to me if you do it.

Kimberly 1:02:35
Yeah, I'll go in and wake him up and say, Mr. Darcy, it's time to get up.

Scott Benner 1:02:39
He'll be like, he'll be like, listen, Jane Austen, would you like flip out if, if you said that to your husband, he's like, I know that's from that Jane Austen novel, Pride and Prejudice. And I,

Kimberly 1:02:50
I would be very shocked if he knew what that was. Beyond shocked if he knew that that reference,

Scott Benner 1:02:57
like there was a Mr. Darcy film in 2023 does not look like it was good for popular Yeah? Sorry, this IMDb makes everything seem the same. This is like something somebody made on their phone. I think you guys have phones there, right? Yeah.

Kimberly 1:03:14
While we have, like, we have cell phones, we don't have a landline. We don't want one. What do

Scott Benner 1:03:19
you got, like, the iPhone two or something like that? No,

Unknown Speaker 1:03:23
14.

Kimberly 1:03:23
Judgy, judgy, a bit there. Fancy.

Scott Benner 1:03:30
How do they do in the cold, though, don't they, like, shut off when they get real cold? Oh, they

Kimberly 1:03:34
could. I haven't. Mine hasn't yet. So,

Scott Benner 1:03:38
Kim Burley, you are lovely. We are at the end of our time. Have I made all your dreams come true? Because at the beginning, you said you were having a fan girl situation, and I didn't let you talk about that. Yes, you have. Why? Why? How is that possible? I don't know. It just

Kimberly 1:03:57
seems like you're like, big and famous and exciting to talk to and I got to talk to

Scott Benner 1:04:01
you. Was that true? Was I exciting to talk to him?

Kimberly 1:04:04
You were everything that he thought you would be. How's that? Well, I

Scott Benner 1:04:08
didn't let you down. That's what I'm here. And

Kimberly 1:04:12
I knew you were going to pick on Canada, so I knew that going in. So I was like,

Scott Benner 1:04:15
Okay, listen, I'm like those kids and the snacks. I see an easy target and I go for it. I can't, by the way, I'm so sorry that I know it's such a long time ago, but it's horrible. You know what I mean? Like just kids, just looking for anything that's different and picking at you about it. Because it really does sound like it stuck with you for a long time.

Kimberly 1:04:37
It did. It was mental, mental abuse in a way? Yes, no,

Scott Benner 1:04:42
of course. No, it sucks. It really does. You don't have that problem anymore, though, in your adult life, right? No, I

Kimberly 1:04:50
got good friends. My family's amazing now, and, yeah,

Scott Benner 1:04:54
that's good. Oh, I'm glad. I'm glad for you. What's the the best advantage? Spent in diabetes that you've seen in your lifetime, definitely

Kimberly 1:05:02
say um, CGM, followed by pump.

Scott Benner 1:05:06
Okay, yeah. How does the CGM change things for you? Oh, no

Kimberly 1:05:10
more finger prokes, hello. My poor fingers have been able to heal,

Scott Benner 1:05:15
but not about the numbers. It's more about the the respite for your fingers,

Kimberly 1:05:20
well and the numbers, but you got to think of it both ways here, like my poor fingers. After seven, eight times a day of being poked, 365, times a year, they just hurt. They were they were in pretty bad shape.

Scott Benner 1:05:36
How long did it take for them to kind of rebound?

Kimberly 1:05:40
I don't know they look nice now. I'm looking at them right now, and they're looking pretty good. No little black holes in them. And

Scott Benner 1:05:46
how nice? How long were you? How long have you been on a CGM? Well,

Kimberly 1:05:49
I went Dexcom, then libre, and then back to Dexcom, so I'd say about seven years likely.

Scott Benner 1:05:56
Okay, and your fingers are nice now, no black you have those black dots you can get in those eventually, huh? Yeah,

Kimberly 1:06:03
that's crazy, but there's no more of them, and it's, it's awesome to see numbers as they as they come up, right? Like, yeah, unless you're me and who has number anxiety, then it's not so good, but, but

Scott Benner 1:06:18
it's better than not knowing, right? Definitely

Kimberly 1:06:21
better than not knowing Good, good, and especially when, like, I'm way down in southwest Calgary, where I work, Mackenzie's two and a half hours away from home, like it's good for them to be able to see what's going on. And like,

Scott Benner 1:06:38
Darcy's what

Kimberly 1:06:41
when he's at work, he's only 20 minutes away from me, so it's good for them all to know what's going on and how to help and where to help and who to call, and yeah,

Scott Benner 1:06:53
for safety, if nothing else. Okay, so are we going to call this one strange brew or Mrs. Darcy? Let's think about it, because you are technically Mrs. Darcy. So, boy, strange brew might be good. I don't know. I'll figure it out later. Don't worry about it. We got plenty of

Kimberly 1:07:12
time, like, least, about six months.

Scott Benner 1:07:15
Oh yeah, about six months. I've got plenty of time. I'll literally hear myself six months from now say this, and I'll be like, Hmm, I wonder what we are gonna call it, and then I'll decide then. But this is very nice. I appreciate you doing this. Very much. Kimberly, sincerely. Can you hold on a second for me? Yeah, thank you.

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