#1143 Near Arkansas?

March 1, 2024Scott Benner

Kinlee has type 1 diabetes. We talked about eating disorder, being misdiagnosed and the consequences of starting insulin without proper education.

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Scott Benner 0:00
Hello friends, welcome to episode 1143 of Juicebox Podcast.

Today I'll be speaking with Kinley, she's 21 years old has had type one diabetes for just over a year, we're going to talk about a lot actually there's a misdiagnosis in here, a pod five, body image issues, and anorexia, diagnosis and a lot more. Nothing you hear on the Juicebox Podcast should be considered advice, medical or otherwise, always consult a physician before making any changes to your health care plan. When you place your first order for ag one with my link, you'll get five free travel packs and a free year supply of vitamin D. Drink ag one.com/juice box. Don't forget to save 40% off of your entire order at cozy earth.com. All you have to do is use the offer code juice box at checkout. That's juice box at checkout to save 40% at cozy earth.com. If you're not already subscribed or following in your favorite audio app, please take the time now to do that. It really helps the show and get those automatic downloads set up so you never miss an episode.

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Kinlee 2:10
My name is Kinley Fenton, and I am 21 years old. And I'm a college student. And I have had type one diabetes, or a little bit over a year. Just a year. Yes, I was diagnosed in April of 2022. Recently, okay, so yeah, I got sick though, in 2021, like the fall of 2021. But we didn't figure out that it was only peds until April of 2022.

Scott Benner 2:46
So you think that your first kind of showing of type one happened the fall, but maybe there was a honeymoon and your pancreas kind of picked back up again and kept going a little longer.

Kinlee 2:56
So I got COVID and mono at the same time. Okay, in September of 2021, kissing

Scott Benner 3:04
somebody with COVID.

Kinlee 3:10
I, yeah, I got that in September 2021. And they think that's when it happened. And I continued to get sick. Just constantly, I was constantly sick all the way until April. And then it was like a couple of weeks before I went to get checked. And that's when like my symptoms really started picking up. And I had a best friend in high school and her dad had type one diabetes. And I remember her mom telling me, like all of the warning signs of type one diabetes. And I was like, Hey, I think maybe I might have that. And so that's what I went to go get checked

Scott Benner 3:54
in late. I'm old. But I had mono around the age you had it. And I remembered as an incredibly miserable experience. It was awful. Yeah. And that I had COVID Last year, which was also miserable for me.

Speaker 1 4:09
Yes, at the same time. I had them at the same time I wanted that last for

Kinlee 4:16
I don't think I truly recovered from my mono. Until I was diagnosed like it I was just constantly tired. And like I just could not I just could not get rest. And so I was really sick with mono and then also having diabetes on top of that and not knowing I was just miserable is and I kind of go ahead No

Scott Benner 4:43
Don't Don't worry. I was just gonna go keep talking about is my question when you're done.

Kinlee 4:46
I just kind of like I attributed it to college. And I was like I'm just tired. You know, our dorms are kind of gross. Like, I'm probably just getting sick from mold or something like I don't know, but it. Yeah. Turns out it was not.

Scott Benner 5:02
My son was sick his entire freshman year from how 30 his dorm was. Yes.

Kinlee 5:06
And I mean, that makes sense. Like, and my family, like they didn't know, you know, we all just attributed it to college and just being tired and just constantly going, is

Scott Benner 5:18
mono a thing they can absolutely diagnose like with a test. Where did they just? They did. Okay. Yeah,

Kinlee 5:25
they took my blood and, and they tested it for mom, they

Scott Benner 5:28
were like, who can lay you're kissing somebody like you must be able to get that a different way.

Kinlee 5:37
I was like, man, there's so many different ways you could get that right.

Scott Benner 5:39
Oh, my God, mom. What happened? My parents are like, Oh, my No. And I was like, I don't know. I don't. I don't know why they. I think I got that from a dirty dish towel. Now. You see, get the diagnosis for the type one. Are you a college when that happens? Yes, I was a sophomore in college. But you were actually on campus when it happened. I was on campus. Yes. So you're at the like the little health office going like, Hey, I know you don't know anything, but I think I'm sick. Or you call your parents or

Kinlee 6:08
I went to the doctor. I didn't go to the campus doctor, I went to one in a town close to me. And I had just, I called or I had told my friends and my family. I was like, I just really think that I need to go get tested for diabetes. And you know, everyone was kind of like, oh can lay like, whatever, like shut up. You know, I was like, Yeah, I just think maybe I just I was just so sick and tired at this point. And I was like, even if I don't have diabetes, I just really hope that they can at least figure out what is wrong. Like, I didn't know if I was having another mono flare up. I didn't know if I COVID I didn't know what was happening. But

Scott Benner 6:50
you were driving, you were really tired. And I felt

Kinlee 6:54
so I have not known. Like, they told me when I was diagnosed, they were like you are about to figure out just how bad you have been feeling. Okay. And they were right. Like, as soon as I started trading myself, it I just felt like I had so much energy. And you know, it came with its complications, of course, but I remember telling my mom, she was like, okay, and I haven't I walked into the doctor's office, and I told them that I wanted to be tested for diabetes, and they kind of looked at me funny. And they were like, okay, and yeah, tell me

Scott Benner 7:30
the reasons how you get to that on your own? Because I mean, is there type one in your family? Is it the internet? did you how did you figure it

Kinlee 7:38
out? No, there is no type one in my family. We have some type two, but no type one. And like I said, my best friend in high school. Her dad had type one diabetes. And I just remember her mom telling me some of the warning signs like if you ever have to pee a bunch of you ever super thirsty like you. Those are some of the warning signs.

Scott Benner 8:02
And that's stuck to you. Hey, before we keep going, is there a fan or something noisy behind? You? Know, okay, when you talk I'm hearing a rumble behind yourself. Sometimes it's Oh, I

Kinlee 8:15
hear a mower outside. Is that it? Oh, okay. Yeah, I can move room so

Scott Benner 8:19
well, you can go out the window and be like, Man

Unknown Speaker 8:23
to make. I don't know how much they'd appreciate.

Scott Benner 8:26
I don't care. Are you at school right now or not yet? No,

Kinlee 8:29
I'm at school. But I'm at one of my friend's house right now. Because it's impossible to find a quiet place in the dorm

Scott Benner 8:37
to Yeah, no, I've I I've tried to talk to my daughter on the phone.

Kinlee 8:42
Yeah. Oh, no. Yeah, it just doesn't work

Scott Benner 8:46
was easier with my son for some reason. Like yeah, boys would like they all turn into like little gentlemen. They're like a Hello, sir. Like that kind of stuff. I think that's what they're doing.

Kinlee 8:57
No, I just know that some of them would bust in my room and be like, Why don't you? Have

Scott Benner 9:01
you seen this video? Out the litter box and the packs and then the other cat. I'll be like,

Kinlee 9:11
okay, is that better?

Scott Benner 9:13
You have to talk for me to know. Okay. Yes, you got it. Okay. So what happens is you're wearing noise cancelling headphones. So when you're not speaking, it doesn't matter. And when you are speaking it lets the noise so the more that goes. Yeah, and I'm probably the only one that hears everyone listening right now is like, What the hell are you doing? But it's my my brain just goes, oh, there's noise behind her that I have trouble listening to. So that's okay. Once there was a time when I just told people if you want a low and stable a one C, just listen to the Juicebox Podcast. But as the years went on, and the podcast episodes grew, it became more and more difficult for people to listen to everyone. So I made the diabetes Pro Tip series. This series is with me and Jenny Smith, Jenny is a Certified diabetes Care and Education Specialist. She's also a registered and licensed dietitian and a type one herself for over 30 years and I of course, am the father of a child who was diagnosed at age two in 2006. The Pro Tip series begins at episode 1000 with an episode called newly diagnosed are starting over and from they're all about MDI Pre-Bolus Singh insulin pumping, pumping and nudging variables exercise illness, injury surgeries, glucagon long term health bumping and nudging how to explain type one to your family, postpartum honeymoon, transitioning all about insulin Temp, Basal, these are all different episodes, setting your Basal insulin, fat and protein pregnancy, the glycemic index and load and so much more like female hormones and weight loss. Head now to juicebox podcast.com. Go up in the menu at the top and click on diabetes pro tip. Or if you're in the private Facebook group, there's a list of these episodes, right in the feature tab. Find out how I helped keep my daughter's a one C between five, two and six, two for the last 10 years without diet restrictions. juicebox podcast.com Start listening today. It's absolutely free.

Kinlee 11:20
The mower is just like, he's like going around the house. So he might just like

Scott Benner 11:25
find your site again. Yeah, he might come back up, but don't get too focused on it. It wasn't terrible. Don't worry. Okay. So you walk into the doctor, you're like, Hey, I'm self diagnosing myself with diabetes. And they they really do a finger stick or they

Kinlee 11:41
lie, though. They took my blood. Okay.

Scott Benner 11:44
And and so you didn't get an answer right away? Or you did?

Kinlee 11:48
I did. They checked my blood sugar levels and my agency. And so they knew right then that I had it. But they told me they didn't know what type? Yeah, I didn't know if it was type one or type two. And so I was just given insulin pins and needles and

Scott Benner 12:11
things laughing because how old were you? I was 20. Yeah. And how far from home? Do you is school? It's just an hour. Okay. So you got your your mom's on the way.

Kinlee 12:23
My mom was there with me. She

Scott Benner 12:25
made it there with you. Okay, good. Yeah,

Kinlee 12:27
she she came with me. And I was just sitting there, like bawling my eyes out. They were like, here's all your stuff. And they just kind of gave it to me, and didn't really tell me how to use it at all. Really. I was told to prick my finger, like three times a day. And then I was given a sheet just based off of my blood sugar, how much insulin to give myself, just until they figured out

Scott Benner 12:55
what type it was. I'm a little. So I'm a little surprised you didn't get better direction? Not that. I mean, most people don't. That's not why I'm surprised. I'm surprised because they did a very responsible thing by saying to you, we don't know what type of diabetes you have. So I thought, oh, maybe you found a good doctor. Because that part was uplifting to me. I was like, oh, that's the right way to say that. But then you got like, here's the stuff. Good luck.

Kinlee 13:20
Yeah, yeah. But I have a great doctor now. And this was just my primary care physician. So it wasn't an endocrinologist.

Scott Benner 13:33
Yeah. But still, though, like Kelly, you know, that you can hurt yourself with that insulin. Right? Yeah. Yeah. It's interesting. So all right. So you, you make an appointment, I imagine with an endo, but how long does it take to get that appointment?

Kinlee 13:45
I did not make an appointment with an endocrinologist at that point.

Scott Benner 13:49
Yes, went home with your pens. And you're like, here we go. I went back

Kinlee 13:53
to college, and me and my mom went to Target. And we got a pretty pink case to keep all of my stuff. And just, we were just trying to make it as good as we possibly could. And then she dropped me back off at school. And I was just like, Okay, I had no idea what was happening. And they were like, we'll contact you in two weeks and let you know what time it is. And so during those two weeks, I was just doing the best I could I had a super scary low. Just because I didn't I had no idea what I was doing. Yeah, no kidding. I had no idea what I was doing. And so I had a low and then I ate a whole pack of Skittles because I didn't know what was happening. And then my blood sugar shot up to like 500 And I was like

Scott Benner 14:39
Can I tell you something to look forward to when you get older if you're gonna have children. You said my mom took me to target and got me a pink case to put my stuff in and it made me cry. And now I'm gonna have to explain to you why because you're like, five years old, like you know, in the grand scheme of things. It's because I pictured your mom and helpless, trying to do something to make you feel better. Yeah. And it made me an Elmo weepy This is crazy.

Kinlee 15:09
Yeah, that's, that's what it was because it's like at that point, what do you do?

Scott Benner 15:14
No, I mean, cuz it's her intention to leave you at school. She doesn't know anything about diabetes any more than you do. And the people at the doctor's office are like, here. Here's the stuff. Like they didn't make it sound like you were in trouble. Like, right? So, right? What's your major psychology? Okay. All right. So, do you play any sports at school?

Unknown Speaker 15:34
I do not. Alright. Alright. So

Scott Benner 15:37
you're back at school having low blood sugars than driving your blood sugar up really high. This is just last year, as your some agents are this, it's 16 months ago. So what happens like keep keep taking me on this trip, like, okay,

Kinlee 15:51
so a couple, I just kind of honestly survived those two weeks. That was what I was doing, just trying to survive. And they called me and told me that I had type two diabetes, because my pancreas was still making some insulin. That was their reasoning. And

Scott Benner 16:13
this is the just the general practitioners office. Yeah. Okay.

Kinlee 16:16
And so he told me, and he was great. He, he was very helpful. But he told me that I did not need insulin. And he was going to put me on Metformin. And to do away with all of my insulin, I wasn't going to need to prick my finger anymore. Oh, the motors coming by?

Scott Benner 16:37
I know I heard it. But don't worry. So. Isn't that great? So now, not only is he telling you, you have the wrong kind of diabetes, but now he's giving you bad advice for how to manage type two diabetes. You don't need to prick your finger. Don't worry about it. It's gonna we're just gonna take a pill. Right? Yeah, you were probably relieved. No. Yeah,

Kinlee 16:56
I mean, yeah, I was relieved. But I also felt this whole time, I felt something in my gut telling me that that wasn't right. Okay, good for you. And I have gotten really good at listening to my body and just knowing what's wrong. And that's, oh, my goodness, this mower is making me angry. Okay, sorry.

Scott Benner 17:20
No, no, you're fine. Don't worry about I appreciate you caring. What do you think by the way, you didn't notice that before? And then I put it in your head. Now. You're like, the mower is following me.

Kinlee 17:27
I think he just turned it off. So

Scott Benner 17:30
if you can tell what kind of mower it is, we can name your episode that is it. Is it a Toro or I don't know I can see. Okay, so go ahead. You're listening to your body?

Kinlee 17:40
Uh huh. I just didn't really get listen to my body. And it was I just had in my brain that something was wrong. But I had already agreed to do an internship that summer, four hours away from home. And so I traveled four hours away from home with my bottle of metformin. And I just tried to make it that summer. And we were constantly texting my doctor, just saying, my blood sugar is still running in the five hundreds every

Scott Benner 18:12
day, you're living like that. Oh, yeah. Did you ever go in DKA? No. Somehow, in your popping these Metformin is probably eaten very little.

Kinlee 18:24
Oh, ha pawikan. These Metformin is you know, doing all that. I told him, I said, this isn't working, they switched me to Jardiance. That didn't work. And so I said, Okay, I'm gonna do this on my own. And I got my insulin, and I started giving it to myself. And I had, I know, I was miserable. And I was like, I don't know what to do anymore. And no one was telling me what to do. No one was telling me how to do it. And I when I tell you, I had no idea what I was doing. I was giving myself insulin after I was eating. And I didn't have long lasting insulin, it was only fast acting. Yeah. And so I was giving myself insulin after I ate because I thought that's what you're supposed to do. And I remember texting my mom. At one point, I was like, I think maybe I need to give myself insulin before I eat. Like, I think maybe that would work better. And she was like, hey, like, you could try that. You know? And I just had no idea.

Scott Benner 19:26
Yeah, but you're treating yourself like a type two, even though you don't think that's true? Is that right? Yes,

Kinlee 19:32
I was still taking the pills. But I started to give myself insulin. Were you losing a lot of weight? Not at this point I had before I was diagnosed, but not at this point.

Scott Benner 19:48
Okay, so you had already lost? Do you know how much you lost? Percentage of your body weight? No,

Kinlee 19:54
I don't know how much but it was enough to notice.

Scott Benner 19:58
Okay. Well, I mean, listen any insulin that you gave yourself was going to be valuable, obviously, less valuable after you eat and without Basal insulin, you know, still less valuable, but at least it was probably saving you. So how long did you do that for?

Kinlee 20:11
I did that all summer, the whole summer?

Scott Benner 20:15
Oh my gosh, boy, you're off at the thing. Okay. Yes, I felt crappy the whole time.

Kinlee 20:19
Yes, I was very sick and just tired. And I was just so confused. Because I was like, I thought I was supposed to be getting better. They told me that this was what I needed. And like I said, this whole time, I just felt something was very, very wrong with my diagnosis. And I was giving myself 10 shots a day around that. I mean, it was insane how much insulin I was having to give myself because I just didn't know how to use it. Right. And I remember, I texted my mom and started asking about insulin. And my mom was great through all of this. I mean, she didn't know any better, you know, than I did, that she was very helpful. And I read texted her and started talking about insulin pumps. And she messaged my primary care doctor about it. And he said, Oh, I don't, you know, I don't deal with that. And that's when he finally referred me to an endocrinologist.

Scott Benner 21:17
Wow, that's the thing that saves you was asking for the pump, because it gets you to a doctor who might actually know what's happening so that they immediately look at you and go, Hey, we're gonna run some labs here.

Kinlee 21:27
Yeah, I told her kind of what was happening. And before she even tested me, she looked at me and she said, You're type one. And she did test my blood and, and it did genotype one. But before I even did that she just knew. And so I got put on the Dexcom and the Omni pod pretty quickly after that,

Scott Benner 21:52
okay. Basal insulin going and yet doing all the things right,

Kinlee 21:58
until I could get my Omni podium. She gave me my long acting insulin. And I was like, Man, I don't even know what you know. And she taught me how to use it. And she told me what to do. What's

Scott Benner 22:15
the frame of time now from the time, like, not from back in the fall, but when you actually end up somebody telling you you have type two diabetes until you get to the end, though? How long is that process?

Kinlee 22:24
That so I was diagnosed in April with type two diabetes? And then I went to see my Endo. At the beginning of August. Wow. Four

Scott Benner 22:34
months? Yes. Wow. Okay. Well, you're lucky your life. Yes,

Kinlee 22:38
you are correct.

Scott Benner 22:41
Now, how Okay, so how do things proceed after that? Like it because there's a lot of in your notes, there's a lot of talk here about like eating disorders, mental health, stuff like that. So what, what, what started to happen? Yeah,

Kinlee 22:53
so at this point, I was on the Omnipod, in the Dexcom. And I went back to school for my junior year. And I just, I had better control over my numbers. But it wasn't perfect, obviously. And it's not going to be. And that really bothered me. Because I felt like I had no control over my body. I felt like I had no control over my blood sugar. I just, I was frustrated with people not listening to me. And I just felt like I had no control over anything. And also, during the summer, I had gained some weight, just from giving myself so much insulin and not chasing lows with food. And just, I was just all over the place. Yeah. And I've always kind of had some body image issues, but it just really escalated whenever I gained some weight. And, yes, I went back to school, and I just felt very, very out of control. I felt like I was doing everything wrong, even though I was on the Omnipod and the Dexcom. I still didn't know what I was doing. Right? Yeah, so I just still didn't know what to do felt very out of control. I talked to my endocrinologist, and she put me on Manjaro which is basically the same thing as it was a big

Scott Benner 24:20
Yeah, it's a GLP one actually. Manjaro GLP one and GLP two, right. Yeah, I think so. And she did that for you for weight or for blood sugar management or both.

Kinlee 24:32
Yeah, it was mainly for the weight just because I had said I've gained some weight and I just kind of felt like like the insulin was making me retain some weight. I wasn't really sure but what I didn't know was that it's an appetite suppressant. I didn't know that I just thought that it was going to help control my numbers better therefore giving myself lessons one, which it did, right but it also suppressed my appetite. Yeah, no kidding. And I I didn't know that that was gonna happen. And I have always kind of, like in high school and even in middle school, I wished that I had the willpower to not eat, I would always tell myself that meant like, I just, I just didn't have that willpower, you know, because it's normal for a human being to eat. And then all of a sudden, I had that willpower not to, because I was on this Manjaro Yeah. And so that is exactly what I did was I stopped eating. And when I stopped eating, I was able to see my numbers be perfect. Because I wasn't taking

Scott Benner 25:42
any carbs. Really? Yeah, people aren't gonna know. So you and I have a lot in common here because I've I on a GLP one drug too. So I know exactly what you're talking about. Can you help me contextually? You don't have to just say no, if you don't want to, but how much weight did you gain? And how much weight did you think you had to lose? is my question. I

Kinlee 26:01
gained? Probably 20 pounds

Scott Benner 26:05
over the summer. And how much did you think you could stand to lose?

Kinlee 26:09
I lost? I lost 60 pounds. That was weighed I never should have lost.

Scott Benner 26:18
So that was too much. Okay. Yeah. How long did it take for that weight to come off? So

Kinlee 26:24
I stopped eating. I was eating some but I wasn't eating enough. I was. Yeah. That was from September. to January. Wow.

Scott Benner 26:38
September, October, November, December, January. Yeah. Well, that's about what I expect from the drug. Actually. It's I mean, so here's how I would explain it to somebody. Your brain does not know if you're hungry or not. So you're not hungry in your head. Your stomach feels full. So you're physically not hungry. You can go on without eating forever without noticing it. Does that seem about accurate for how you felt? Yes, yes. And then on top of that, you're losing weight in other ways because of the medication as well.

Unknown Speaker 27:15
Yeah. Okay.

Kinlee 27:16
Yeah. But I also found that my blood sugar, like I said, was perfect. And I just felt like I had so much control over my life over my body over everything. I was like, this is perfect. This is exactly what I need to be doing. And it was frustrating. Because I actually went into honeymoon during this time. And I was like, Oh, this is what my body wants me to do. This is what my body needs, is to just not eat.

Scott Benner 27:49
Do you think it was a honeymoon Kinley? Or do you think it was just you had you were so restricted on your intake that you just didn't need very much insulin? We

Kinlee 27:56
still don't know. I talked to my endo about that. And she she doesn't know. Because I asked her. I was like, Do you actually think I was in high energy? Just think that I was restricting. And she was like, you know, I guess we'll never know. I

Scott Benner 28:11
have my guess. Yeah. So what do I want to ask you? So you didn't answer the one question which I kind of need to formulate my next thought. So, you again, you again, 20. You lost 60. But my question is, how much did you think you wanted to lose? The last 60? But you didn't want that much? What was the number you were looking for?

Kinlee 28:32
I wanted to go until I couldn't anymore. Oh, okay.

Scott Benner 28:36
So you had that mindset? I'm wondering, like, where? Because if you just needed to lose 20 pounds, for example. I mean, GLP. One is, I mean, I'm not a doctor. But that seems like overkill to lose 20 to lose 20 pounds, because you are, if it works on you, and it worked on you. You really, I mean, I'm 17 or 18 weeks into using Rico v. And I'm still like, every time I eat, I'm eating because I know I have to I am not eating because I'm sitting there thinking, Oh, I really have to eat something.

Kinlee 29:09
Yeah. And I think in that sense, it can be good for people. I think I just had a very, very different mindset. And at first it was, oh, you know, this is great. Like, I just want to lose a few pounds, you know, nothing wrong with that, whatever. And it suddenly turned into I want to have this control over my life over my blood sugar. I want my blood sugar to be perfect. And I'm going to do that by not eating.

Scott Benner 29:36
Would you consider that an eating disorder or did you were you consider it? You do?

Kinlee 29:41
Yeah, okay. Yeah, I was diagnosed with anorexia. I went to the doctor in December, and they diagnosed me and I got off of Manjaro and nothing changed.

Scott Benner 29:53
Oh, I see. Yes. So you did you ever have. Okay, so the question is, did you have have an eating disorder ever prior to the type one or two, you know, so you think that the GLP medication stops you from being hungry, your insulin needs go down, it sends you all that feeling of control. And then you get lost in the idea of I have to keep losing weight for this to keep happening. Is that right? Yes,

Kinlee 30:19
it was. It was just a series of things. I think. I think like I said, it started out as just want to lose a few pounds. And then it turned into, and I think for a lot of people, that's what it is, you know, and that's all that it is. But mine just continued to go down this rabbit hole you snowballed, right? Yes. And then suddenly, it turned less physical and more mental. And I just crave this control when I was really completely losing control.

Scott Benner 30:51
Yeah. So listen, I have a very, like limited understanding of this never happened to me, but I had this one experience. I had this one experience years ago, where my this is gonna sound weird. My dentist told me you have type two diabetes, because I peed a bunch of times while I was having a long procedure. And, and I was like, I would definitely know if I had type two diabetes. I'm like, I, I, you might even I might be the guy you asked if you had diabetes, like I think I think I would know, you know. Yeah. But anyway, but nevertheless, I had drank a lot of water that day. So I kind of was like, No, that's not right. But once he put it into my head, I went home and I thought, well, I'm going to, I'm going to get a doctor's appointment. So I called and I made a doctor's appointment for a physical, but I couldn't get there for like, four or five days a week, right? And for those days, I had real trouble eating. Because I thought, Oh, what if I'm driving my blood sugar up. And I have doubt, I'm testing my blood sugar, because I've meters all over the place. My blood sugar is not high. But I'm still it's in my head. As soon as they put it into my head. Type Two diabetes. I had trouble eating. And it was really, I don't know that I'll ever find a way to articulate how manipulative it was. To my actions. Yeah, yeah. So.

Kinlee 32:17
And the more I've talked to people since going through this, the more common I found that it really is, yeah, because it's just you. You just have this sense of like, Oh, I just feel out of control. Like when my blood sugar is high. Like I just want it to be perfect all the time. So it's frustrating. And I just found that my blood sugar was perfect when I wasn't eating but I I pretty quickly found out that that was not sustainable.

Scott Benner 32:47
Yeah. This just for context, this 60 pounds off your frame left you like very thin. Um, yes. Yeah. Okay. in an unhealthy way, visually even. Yeah. Okay. So when that's happening, you don't see it though, right?

Kinlee 33:05
No, I did not. Yeah, I was also diagnosed with body dysmorphia. And so I looked in the mirror, and I saw what I was 60 pounds ago. Wow,

Scott Benner 33:16
I have to tell you. So again, my only other frame of reference for this is I start taking weak Ovie. And I'm like, overweight, like absolutely overweight. And I lose first five pounds, like why I lost five pounds, you don't really notice much. And then suddenly, I could see my stomach shrinking, right? That was the first place I saw it. Like, like, my stomach wasn't sticking out as far and I was like, Oh, wow, this is crazy. I looked different. But then when my face changed, it was a big leap for me. Like, I looked in the mirror and I thought my face is thinner. I look different. I'm happier with how I look in my face. And I went on, I've lost 30 pounds so far. I'm nowhere near like, I need to lose more weight, right? But I've lost 30 pounds. It's a big deal. I mean, even if I don't lose weight one week, I maintain that weight. So I'm doing well. Like it's a very slow process. I'm happy with the speed of it. Like none of that. But the craziest ass thing happened like two weeks ago. I looked in the mirror and I thought my face looks fat. And then I looked at a picture of myself versus three or four weeks ago, and my face is thinner now than it was three or four weeks ago. So my face was round and, and Turbie I lost weight. I recognize that but I got used to that so quickly. That the next time I looked at it again, I thought oh my face is fat. And that that's I'll tell you was was really like an impactful moment. For me. I was like oh Oh my God, I don't see myself right. And I don't think I have body dysmorphia. I think your brain just for me, I think my brain is just getting used to what I'm looking at, like, and then it, it tells you either you're okay, this is what you look like, or this is what you look like, and this isn't where you want to be. And then that's it. It's difficult to break free of that. For me, yeah.

Kinlee 35:23
I mean, it was just I would, you know, people would tell me, my, my parents will tell me, You look sick, you know, you don't look good. And honestly, at that time, that's what my brain wanted to hear. For me. People telling me that I looked sick was what I that's what I wanted. That meant then. Yes, that. And when people told me they were worried about me in my head, it was like, yeah, like, this is good. You know. And I remember even when I was diagnosed with anorexia by a doctor, and she told me that I could die. My brain was like, yeah, like, this is

Scott Benner 36:01
good. I'm getting there. But you want yeah. Wow. Isn't that crazy? You felt empowered by them telling you, you look like you were gonna die? Yes.

Kinlee 36:10
Wow. That is what my eating disorder. That's not what I wanted. Sure. It's not what Kimberly wanted. It's what my eating disorder wants. And since since then, I've gotten good at being able to tell the difference between the two, then I thought that is what I wanted. And I was happy when people were worried about,

Scott Benner 36:31
okay. Do you think the diabetes brought the eating disorder on? Or do you think the weight gain and then watching it come off? Brought it on? What do you think?

Kinlee 36:41
I think I think it was both combination, because I got very addicted to seeing the weight fall. I mean, I was weighing myself up to 10 times a day, you know, just constantly watching that scale drop.

Scott Benner 36:54
Are you really? Yeah, 10 times.

Kinlee 36:58
Yeah. But then, when it came to the diabetes, and I just felt so out of control of my numbers. And I found that not eating, control by numbers. My body, my body went into honeymoon or whatever happened there. And it was very confusing for my brain. Because in my head, I was like, This is good. This is what my body needs. This is what my body wants, like I can, I can take care of my diabetes by not eating

Scott Benner 37:33
and never thinking about anything like nutrition, or minerals, or vitamins, or any of the things that your body actually needs to keep going. No,

Kinlee 37:41
I didn't care at the time, just how it looked.

Scott Benner 37:45
Where your blood sugar was, and how you looked physically.

Kinlee 37:48
And I remember I would, at the end of the day, I would look at my Dexcom graph. And I would just see it like, a complete straight line. And I would just be like, yes. Like, that is what I want. That is good. Didn't

Scott Benner 38:01
matter that you weren't eating or, or that somebody told you you weren't going to be alive much longer. Right? Yeah.

Kinlee 38:08
I mean, my eating disorder became became my best friend. How

Unknown Speaker 38:16
would you say how was that?

Kinlee 38:18
It just promised me and I, I always tell people when they asked me about my eating disorder, that it's like a person in my head, it's a voice in your head. And it just told me that the things that I was doing the things it was telling me to do were good. And that people would love me, if I did them, people would find me attractive. If I did them, I had all the control in the world. If I followed all of its rules, and it just became something. And and

Scott Benner 38:52
it paid, it paid you back to write like it promised something, and then it gave it to you. Yeah.

Kinlee 38:57
And like, if I would restrict, or if I would purge, or exercise. It would congratulate me. And it was so nice to me in my head, and it would tell me how beautiful I am how skinny I am, how in control I was of my life. But if I would eat something I wasn't, quote unquote, supposed to or said something. It would just beat me up. I mean, tell me the most awful things. And so it was just easier to do what it wanted. And I just didn't know how to fight that voice at the time.

Scott Benner 39:36
Wow. That sounds good. And how are you feeling now?

Kinlee 39:41
Um, so after I was diagnosed by a doctor, I decided to go to treatment in January. And so I did a PHP treatment program for 11 weeks. And then I did an IOP program. For, I think, seven, six or seven weeks. And now I'm out of treatment feel. And during that time, my diabetes came back or, you know, obviously, my blood sugar was racing again. And that was really, really, really tough to work through. Because I just felt like I was doing something wrong to my body. I felt like, this isn't right, this isn't what my body wants. But working with my dietician and my therapist, we found ways to control my blood sugar. And to help me feel like I had control over my body without

Scott Benner 40:36
restricting. Can you tell me some of the ways you accomplish that? Well,

Kinlee 40:40
I got back on my pump while I was in treatment, because I had gotten off of it, because I just wasn't eating enough to even need it. So I got off my pump and got back on it. And we just would dose for everything correctly. And I honestly still, like at that point, didn't really know how to like carb count. And does myself, Greg did. And so correctly, so we worked on that, and just worked on like, how to control my blood sugar with insulin. And that was when I really learned, like, Okay, this is what I need to do. And I also switched to the T slim during that time. Okay, and I like it a lot more than the Omni pod. So that was very helpful.

Unknown Speaker 41:27
What did you like better about it?

Kinlee 41:29
I just think it's more aggressive. Like when my blood sugar's high, it just always, like gets me down pretty quickly. Because the Omni pod Yes, algorithm, I love it. And it just helped me feel more in control. Alright,

Scott Benner 41:44
so now I have a difficult question for you that and by the way, you've done a really lovely job of talking about all this, I hope I've been as sensitive as you need me to be i This is not a subject I know, like a ton about so. But I'm gonna ask you a question that you may or may not have an answer to, but really give it a second. Let's go back in a time machine to the day you think you have diabetes, and you're gonna go to the doctor. Are there things an alternate reality that could have happened? That would have avoided all this? Yeah. What do you think those things are

Kinlee 42:19
being sent to an endocrinologist right away?

Scott Benner 42:22
You just think those four months what got you messed up? Yeah, go ahead. Good tell me

Kinlee 42:27
to do during that time was when I gained quite a bit of weight because I didn't know how to dose myself correctly. And I'm not saying that insulin makes you gain a whole bunch of weight. But the way that I was doing it did

Scott Benner 42:39
well, you were to be clear to people, you were randomly giving yourself insulin at meals based on like, you're like, hey, I think this may be as a thing because my blood sugar's 500. And then you were making yourself low at points and taking in a bunch of carbs. So you're taking even more carbs and your blood sugars are bouncing all over the place, you're throwing insulin here and there that yeah,

Kinlee 43:00
that is what I was doing. It was not controlled by any means. And it was hard for me when I was in treatment, when I got back on my insulin to believe that I wouldn't just gain all that weight again. And I still struggle with that sometimes, just because I've experienced that. And in my head, I'm just like, oh, that's gonna happen again. But it hasn't. And I'm still teaching myself that. And now that I have, and it's not perfect, obviously, some days are really crappy. But now that I have the means to control my blood sugar is a lot better. But yeah, I believe that I should have been sent to an endocrinologist right away. I think that whether you're type one or type two, you should see an endocrinologist. That's just my opinion. I think that that should have happened pretty quickly. And I think a lot of this could have been avoided, possibly,

Scott Benner 44:04
what and isn't it? I mean, interesting. This is the impacts that got you the eating disorder, like that kind of stuff. But it very easily could have been a different impact. Or you could have actually had type two diabetes and been scared of food, like I talked about before, and like there's just, you know, a number of, I guess there's one good path. And there are so many possible bad paths, you know, and it's not. It's not, it's not poor intentions. It's not, it's just that if the doctor doesn't know what to tell you, if they don't tell it to you in a way that you can understand if it isn't information that's actionable, if they don't, I think one of the biggest mistakes that all doctors could make is giving you like a step. Like say you're in a three step process. I don't know what the step is. We're going to start with Basal insulin. and these are your settings. But they don't tell you, these settings are going to change. And so I've seen people get lost and I don't know what I'm doing wrong. Like I've done everything I was told but my blood sugar's are higher than they should be like that pain, that kind of psychological torment that you go through minute by minute, day after day is unnecessary and could have been stopped by just saying, Hey, these are your settings, but we expect these are going to change pretty quickly. So if you don't start getting what you expect, let us know, we'll change the settings. All right, that's all you have to do, just say the rest of it, you know, right. And otherwise, people end up in just a myriad of different crappy situations. Yours is one of them. But I've heard a ton of others too, you know, and it's all about how it starts. In that beginning with what you understand and what you expect. That's my opinion. So,

Kinlee 45:57
and I don't blame anyone. I don't blame my daughter. I don't blame my parents. I don't blame anyone. We just didn't know. You know, and now that I do know, I want to make it known for other people.

Scott Benner 46:10
We can leave your very nice, but I knew you just didn't know me. There are other doctors that knew you just didn't know them. Like, I'm not saying anybody, like willfully messed you up, right?

Kinlee 46:23
I know, right? I

Scott Benner 46:24
know. And I and you're very nice. Of course, you're very nice to protect people. And that's lovely. But I'm saying that there's a base amount of knowledge that if any doctor had wouldn't have led you down this path, and I don't want you to be mad about it. Or I You sound very kind of, like healthy about it, honestly. Which is nice. I don't understand. You're 21 Why are you so nice? I don't know. Because you're not mad? You're not angry? You're not blaming anybody mad?

Kinlee 46:51
No, I? If I think about too, I get frustrated. Um, but I just have to get past it. Yeah, I mean, that's how it happened. I have a great doctor now. She's awesome. And I'm good. Now,

Scott Benner 47:09
when you talk about it in treatment, for your eating disorder. Is there talk like, this is a thing you get past? Is it a? Is it a thing you always look for? Are you living with it? Like, what's the phrasing around? Does that make sense? my eating disorder? Yeah. Like, you know, when somebody will tell you like, it's not like you're a cured alcoholic, you're an alcoholic who's not drinking currently? Like, is it like that? Or how does it go? Right?

Kinlee 47:35
I think for me, the voice of my eating disorder, I don't want to say is always going to be there, I'm pretty fresh out of treatment, you know, I had the summer to be at home and stuff. But the voice is still there. And like, when I eat something that maybe I wouldn't have eaten in my eating disorder, or I lay in my bed instead of exercise or something like that. The voice can get loud, and can tell me things that just aren't nice. But I have learned in treatment, how to battle that voice, and how to stand up against that voice. And so I would say the voice has gotten quieter, but it's still there. I just know how to stand up to it. Gotcha. And so it's still struggle. And it's still you know, I consider myself still in active recovery. And every day is different. Some days are a lot harder than others. And people tell me, people that have had an eating disorder or work with users, that it can go away. And it can

Scott Benner 48:40
be different, like in the past. It could feel it's possible that one day, it'll feel like a thing that used to happen to you doesn't have.

Kinlee 48:49
Okay, yes. And I haven't experienced that yet. Right. It's definitely it's gotten so much better. And I'm at a point where, like I said, I consider myself in recovery. But I've heard that one day it can go away. And so I hope that is you know, and when I keep fighting it and just keep doing what I can to stand up against it. Hopefully one day it can go away. Until then I'll continue to fight it. Yeah.

Scott Benner 49:19
And you handle it the way you're handling it right now. Is it? Is there maintenance, like mental health maintenance? Do you go to meetings or see somebody with frequency? How does that work? Yeah,

Kinlee 49:29
I still see a dietitian and a therapist. And I meet with them every other week.

Scott Benner 49:35
Okay. Very cool. Are you um, how did you find the podcast? Like why do you know about this?

Kinlee 49:42
Oh, my mom wasn't do it all the time. She loves this podcast and she told me about it. I listen to it started listening to

Scott Benner 49:52
it. Cool. So do you actually listen or does she listen and bug the crap out of you about it?

Kinlee 49:56
She listened more than I do. But I do Listen. Yeah, I like she always she's like, I went on a walk this morning and I listened to your podcast like, let me tell you what it's about. Oh, and she, she loves it.

Scott Benner 50:09
But yeah. Tell her I said, Hello, thank you.

Kinlee 50:12
I will let her she'll be thrilled.

Scott Benner 50:16
It's funny to me because I don't feel that way. But because like, I know what I'm doing after you and I record. Like, I don't know what your mom thinks happens after I get done doing this, but

Kinlee 50:27
she probably thinks that you go,

Scott Benner 50:30
like getting laid off the road. Yeah, go probably jump in like a gold Mercedes and drive around and talk to like J. Cole and stuff like that. Yeah, none of that happens.

Kinlee 50:40
Oh, we'll just let her continue to believe.

Scott Benner 50:41
Let her have that that fantasy that's good for everyone to think that I'm a very famous and happy person.

Kinlee 50:48
Yes, I agree. I agree.

Scott Benner 50:51
Kinley, tell me about the role of friends in this whole process? did you enlist people to support you? Or do you go by yourself? What happened there?

Kinlee 51:02
Oh, my goodness. I'm just like smiling when you said that, my friends. Were just amazing. And I love my friends so much. And I'm just I'm so happy to be back with them this semester, because I took a semester off of school to go to treatment. And that was a really, really, really tough decision. Because I love college. Like, I just, it is just my thing. I love it so much. And I lived with all of my friends, you know, and I had to leave them all because I couldn't eat, you know. And it was more than that. But like, I would beat myself up a lot about having to leave them. But they were just the most supportive. And I would come home sometimes on the weekends and visit at school. And they would make a point to come and see me and they would text me and call me. And they were just so ready for me to get better. And I'm and it was hard to take the semester off. But I knew it was either stay at school be miserable, get worse. I mean it all honestly possible, honestly, possibly die, or go get better and have an awesome senior year.

Scott Benner 52:09
And you handle it with a lot of honesty. Like guys, I'm leaving for a while I'm gonna go work on my eating disorder. Like that kind of stuff. Yeah,

Kinlee 52:17
I mean, they, they kind of noticed some things. But I didn't really open up about it until like November, December. And I told some of my closest friends kind of what was going on. And then yeah, I was just very honest with them that I needed help. And I needed to go somewhere. And they accepted that they were sad, obviously. But that they saw me they knew that I needed help. And they wanted me to get help. Interesting. And so I went to treatment. And like I said I would visit them we would call you have a talk and it was really hard being away. But they made it easy. They, they just made it. I couldn't have done it without them. I'll be honest. Yeah. Getting to come back this semester. And everyone's like moving in yesterday and today and just getting to see everyone and everyone's just so excited that I'm back. And I'm so excited to be back. It's just I'm really happy that I got treatment when I did.

Speaker 1 53:18
That's a big year for you to tell right? Your senior year. Yeah, it's my senior year.

Scott Benner 53:22
Cool. What are you going to do after school?

Kinlee 53:24
I want to go to grad school is my plan. But I want to be a therapist. That'll take a little bit of schooling. But I want to work with girls with eating disorders. Yeah.

Scott Benner 53:38
This is something you wanted to do prior to all this. Is that right?

Kinlee 53:42
Yeah. Yeah, I've always wanted to be a therapist. My dad is a therapist. And so he kind of inspired me growing up to want to do that. And so and I, I had had friends in high school and a couple in college that had eating disorders. But it's something that you don't really understand until you go through it. Because I remember them telling me things. And I was like, I don't really understand that. But you know, I'm here for you. And looking back. I'm like, oh, that's exactly how I feel, you know. And so I believe as sucky as it was. I believe that I've been given a gift to be able to help other people that deal with the same thing, and maybe not right now just because I am still in recovery. But once I'm done with grad school, I believe that I'll be ready to be able to help other people.

Scott Benner 54:33
Oh, good for you. That's wonderful. Yeah, very nice. Is there anything we haven't talked about that we should have? I don't think so. Did Okay. Excellent. Very nice. What about do you have any other autoimmune issues?

Kinlee 54:50
I do not.

Scott Benner 54:52
How about other type one in your family line on either side? Nope, nothing. About Nothing. Grand moms with tyroid problems. My

Kinlee 55:02
grandma. Yeah, my grandma has a hypo, which was the one. I think it's where it got. There's too much or goes too fast or

Scott Benner 55:10
something hypo and hyperthyroidism. Yeah. Does she have Hashimotos? Do they say? I don't think so. Okay. Yeah, it's not a thing you would really know until this stuff starts to come up. How about anybody have celiac gluten allergy? Oh,

Kinlee 55:26
yeah. My grandma also has celiac. I

Scott Benner 55:28
think we're figuring this out. She's great. Yeah. Give her a call and tell her she might be she might have given you type one diabetes. She's too old. Let her lift. So

Unknown Speaker 55:43
she's so sweet. Yeah, I'm

Scott Benner 55:44
sure. No, it's just you'll often see other autoimmune issues, like somewhere in family lines. Yeah.

Kinlee 55:51
I mean, we have some type two, but there's no type one. Just

Scott Benner 55:55
the celiac and the and the thyroid. Yep. Which are autoimmune. So. Okay, that's interesting. Do you? This is such a weird question, because you're young. But do you think about having kids?

Kinlee 56:07
Yes, I do. Okay.

Scott Benner 56:11
Eventually. Okay. Here's the thing you're interested in doing? Okay. 21. That's how old you are. Right? Yeah. It's weird when the when the thoughts come to people different ages about having kids. It's weird to think about that. Yeah. Right. Because like, Are you dating? No, no,

Kinlee 56:31
I mean, I'm not dating someone right now. Yeah. But I think

Scott Benner 56:35
you're saying you're like, can listen, I've had people. But not at the moment. At that moment. I don't have somebody but like, it's not like I couldn't. And yeah, no, I got you. anybody

Kinlee 56:48
listening? Like no.

Scott Benner 56:51
Don't think that? No, I understood. I understood what you meant. Wow. So like your plan. Just go back. Learn. Hang out with your friends. Have fun. Try to get to grad school. Do you think you'll go to grad school in Tennessee? Or do you think you'll leave? I

Kinlee 57:06
think that I'll go to grad school in Tennessee. Yeah, right now I'm interning at a church in the town next to my college. And I'm the Youth intern there. And so hopefully, maybe at some point that will work out for me to be there while I'm in grad school, or something like that. So I definitely want to have some sort of job either in youth ministry. Or in counseling while I'm in grad school.

Scott Benner 57:37
My son's in Atlanta with his first out of school out of college job. And I'm like, What? What is it? You don't like Atlanta? He goes, Man, it's so hot here. It's so hot and it's so humid. And it is really like it just rains here constantly. Like I know anyway, all right. So you're attending Tennessee girl you want to stay? That's

Unknown Speaker 57:57
fine. Yeah, I would like to stay. I

Scott Benner 57:59
think western Tennessee. Is that like, I don't know the map that well. Ken Lee, I don't know where you're at. Oh, I

Kinlee 58:06
don't either. Oh, whatever you're about to ask me. I probably don't

Scott Benner 58:10
take a look. I was gonna say you're like, more towards I was gonna say Missouri. But am I about right about that, like Arkansas? You don't even know. I love that.

Kinlee 58:26
I don't think that's close to me.

Scott Benner 58:27
Are you? But you're in western Tennessee? Yeah. Closer to Kentucky or closer to

Kinlee 58:33
Mississippi. Closer to Mississippi. I think

Scott Benner 58:37
honey, you're real. You're close to Arkansas. No, I'm not. You gotta get a map and look at it.

Kinlee 58:46
I don't think Arkansas is like four hours away.

Scott Benner 58:48
All right. Okay, that's still that's pretty. I mean, Tennessee is a pretty wide state. I don't know where I am. It just looks like Tennessee looks like I can't describe this to you. Because you're not from around here. But it looks like the way like artists and people cut their pizza in square. It's like long and you would understand. And so but but if you were okay, so you're not if you just went south, just south would you end up in Alabama or Mississippi?

Kinlee 59:15
If I went south, I would end up in Mississippi and then I would end up and

Scott Benner 59:23
I swear you do not understand Do you want to do you have Are you in a phone with me or a computer?

Unknown Speaker 59:28
Computer but I have my phone? Alright,

Scott Benner 59:30
I want you to pull up a US map just go to Google. together and then we're gonna stop. Okay, well, I swear I'll let you out of this in a second. But we got to make it fun for your mom who loves the podcast and is gonna be like, Oh, I love that. He did this to her.

Unknown Speaker 59:42
He's gonna be so embarrassed. Oh, no, no shit. Well, yeah,

Scott Benner 59:45
I mean, listen, she probably could have done a better job teaching you about geography, but that's too late now. Okay, tell me when you have a US map up. Oh, I didn't know. Okay. Seriously, go to a browser type in Google US map. Click on it. Okay. All right.

Kinlee 1:00:00
Oh, wait. It's making me dumb.

Scott Benner 1:00:03
You don't have to download anything. What are you kidding me what's happening? There's a map right at the top when you google US map.

Unknown Speaker 1:00:13
Do you see? When I click it, it makes me download. Oh, you got it? Yeah. All right.

Scott Benner 1:00:20
Do you see now where you're at? In relation to other states? Tennessee?

Kinlee 1:00:28
Yeah, I see Tennessee. Alright, so

Scott Benner 1:00:29
if you're West,

Kinlee 1:00:30
I'm kind of close to Nashville.

Scott Benner 1:00:34
Okay. Oh, really? That. Okay, so that's dead center. Are you more towards the west of Nashville? You are first of all, do you know which way west is left? Do you know never eat shredded wheat? Have you ever heard that? Yes. Okay. So North is at the top and East. Like at three o'clock on the clock. And then south isn't six o'clock.

Kinlee 1:01:01
I'm catching your judgment. All right. All right. So

Scott Benner 1:01:03
are you west of Nashville?

Unknown Speaker 1:01:04
Yep.

Scott Benner 1:01:06
Are you closer to Kentucky or Mississippi? Your mom just died inside. She's on a walk. Think about this. She's out walking right now. She's like, Oh, Kelly went on the podcast. She was talking about her eating disorder. And everything's so cool. She's trying to share with other girls. And now she's at the end and she's like, Oh, my God. Everyone's gonna hear this. And

Kinlee 1:01:30
wait, I'm looking at Kentucky.

Scott Benner 1:01:32
You're closer. No, no. Closer to Mississippi. I think yeah. You see how close you are to Arkansas then. How far are you from Memphis?

Kinlee 1:01:45
Like an hour.

Scott Benner 1:01:45
So you're an hour from Arkansas.

Kinlee 1:01:48
I really just want to tell you where I live.

Scott Benner 1:01:52
Oh, bleep it out. Where do you live?

Unknown Speaker 1:01:53
I live in. Okay, so hold on. I had to get a map. And I'm gonna go

Scott Benner 1:02:03
by the way, Rob, edit out where she lives. Please. I'm not talking to you right now. I'm talking to the person who's going to edit the show. You're welcome. I appreciate I was I was at Tennessee once as a child. Really? Yeah. Or like a vacation. I think we were vacationing I don't know. I was young. They made me go there. I don't get to go to Gatlinburg probably probably went to all the like, you know, you go to the mountains tours traps. Yeah, the Smoky Mountains. Right. That kind of thing. That's in Gatlinburg. Okay, so I see where you are in. Okay. Yeah. i It's possible that if you worked out a little bit, you could throw a ball from where you are at Arkansas. That's the first thing.

Unknown Speaker 1:02:48
I'm not close to Arkansas.

Scott Benner 1:02:50
World. Do you not think you're close to Arkansas?

Kinlee 1:02:54
How close are you thinking that I well?

Scott Benner 1:02:59
I mean, there's like a river. Right.

Unknown Speaker 1:03:06
I'm getting this. Give me a second.

Scott Benner 1:03:09
You are you are? You are closer to Arkansas. If you went dead west than you are to Memphis

Speaker 2 1:03:15
Ah, yes, you are. I go I go through Memphis to get to Arkansas. You

Scott Benner 1:03:22
go through Memphis to go to Arkansas. Yeah, but you don't have to. I'm saying if you if you were to able to drive just do West and not have to follow whatever highway you're accustomed to following? You're like distance wise, closer to the border of Arkansas than you are to Memphis. Well, okay, I think you need to spend at least 20 minutes on Tiktok figuring out where you live. Okay.

Kinlee 1:03:43
I know where I live in. That's all that matters. You should

Scott Benner 1:03:45
go up to girls that you know in like your dorm and go hey, do you know we live near Arkansas? See what they would probably be like

Kinlee 1:03:52
yes. kindling. We do know.

Unknown Speaker 1:03:55
Yeah, really? Okay.

Scott Benner 1:03:56
Can we I appreciate you screwing around with me at the end of this. Thank you very much.

Unknown Speaker 1:04:00
You're welcome. Hold on for me for one second. Okay. Okay.

Scott Benner 1:04:11
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