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Scott Benner 00:00 Hello friends and welcome to episode 923 of the Juicebox Podcast Isha is the type one who came on the show to talk about a ton of different things actually, we talked about gastroparesis, pregnancy type one diabetes, having a high stress and busy job with type one the impact type one has on relationships and creating emotional agility. While you're listening today. Please remember that nothing you hear on the Juicebox Podcast should be considered advice, medical or otherwise, always consult a physician before making any changes to your health care plan. We're becoming bold with insulin. Hey, if you'd like to save 35% off your entire order at Cozi earth.com. use the offer code juice box at checkout cozy Earth makes luxurious, comfortable and just really soft clothing, bedding and bath supplies cozy earth.com offer code juice box at checkout save 10% off your first month of therapy at my link better help.com forward slash juicebox and you will in fact get a free year supply of vitamin D and five free travel packs with your first order of ag one from Athletic Greens when you use this link athletic greens.com forward slash Juicebox Podcast this episode of The Juicebox Podcast is sponsored by the company that makes just in my opinion the best blood glucose meters. Today we're going to be talking about the Contour Next One. And you can learn more about it at contour next one.com forward slash juicebox I love me a contour meter when you're ready.

Isha 01:54 All righty. Am I ready? No. Is this now

Scott Benner 02:00 we are officially started no matter what you say next just

Isha 02:03 I was just checking. So I'm supposed to introduce myself. Hi, everyone. My name is Isha. I'm based in Toronto, Ontario, Canada. Stella Canadian here. And I don't know.

Scott Benner 02:15 Are you in the farm? You don't have to know anything else. Are you in the private Facebook group?

Isha 02:19 I am for Sam. Isabel is gonna it's funny. I actually joined the group before any but the podcast.

Scott Benner 02:26 We'll talk about that. Yeah, go.

Isha 02:29 It was interesting, because I've been a type one diabetic since I was four. I'm 35 now, and I've never kind of seen proper advice in a group before not to be judgmental of anyone or any groups, you know, usually someone being like, have cinnamon and you know, run up and down and do this. And I think I was struggling with trying to figure out I was pregnant. I think it was like right before I got pregnant. And I was trying to figure out incident rates and just like you know, stages of pregnancy impacting like blood sugars and someone tagged the juicebox group and they were like, This is a great resource. Like I go here for everything. Blah, blah, blah, blah. And I was like, okay, and I at that point in time, like I hadn't listened to the podcast and even know there was a podcast. To be honest, I thought it was maybe like a drink to treat low blood sugar. I was like, what is it? Oh, wait, you

Scott Benner 03:17 thought maybe I was like shilling, like a glucose drink or something like

Isha 03:21 that. I didn't know, I just joined the juice box, like Face Book Group. And I was like, What is this? That's horrible.

Scott Benner 03:27 But let me just just say this word here. If there's any company that makes a glucose drink that they want to brand with my name, please let me know.

Isha 03:34 Right, you gotta get all over that. So anyways, when I joined the group, I will say it is probably one of the best communities I've ever seen. And so much so like my brother was recently diagnosed with type one. He's 40. And I literally was just like, you have to listen to this. Like it's the best. And you know, he's a really busy, he's like, I don't have time because I'm like, no, just be part of the group. And he's like, You sound like you're part of a cult. Like,

Scott Benner 03:59 perfect, I'm winning. That's all I hear when I hear that. That's the description you gave and how it felt to him was yes, good. Because it's hard to get people to do stuff like that. And if you're not, if you're not consistent and excited about it, how are they going to believe Alright, let me click on this, you know,

Isha 04:20 I know. But it's interesting because I also find like, it's very hard to change habits, but the group is really good at giving you a very holistic perspective of everything. I think one of the best examples that you've used and like that I've seen is like with diets or with like different types of lifestyles or different professions. It's, you know, it's nobody's a cookie cutter mold. everyone kind of has their own thing. And the group really does a good job kind of catering to whether you're a parent, whether you're diabetic, whether you're a child, whether you're a sibling of someone who's type one, a grandparent like I've really seen such a variety of folks in there and it's it's it's refreshing. It's nice.

Scott Benner 04:57 Yeah, no, I'm glad I think it takes on If I'm wrong about the side when I saw your douche bag, but that's okay. I think it takes on my personality to some degree. This good

Isha 05:08 duty. Yeah. Sounds so nice. The nice thing that's good to be adaptable, right?

Scott Benner 05:14 Yeah, I think it's just, I think that enough people in the beginning. I mean, in the beginning, everybody in that group listen to the podcast. So it's that whole kind of like it's serious and do a good job. But, you know, don't kill yourself over it. And don't make yourself feel terrible. And there's more than one way to accomplish this. And I don't care what you eat, just let's make sure we know how to use the insulin. Like all those kinds of vibes. I think that's how it got built. I mean, I'm not taking credit for that. It just it happened that way. But now that it's so big, it hit 29,000 people. Yesterday,

Isha 05:50 I saw that. And I was like, Oh my gosh, like, I'm excited for you.

Scott Benner 05:55 I'm like, Jesus, this is getting so big. Control. It's so large now that there are times that I post things and nobody sees them. And I'm like, and I'm like, Oh, God, I'm not I was not interesting, because the algorithm did not push up by my thing.

Isha 06:14 10 things though, I'm sure there's ways around. Yeah, I

Scott Benner 06:17 do. I don't Yeah, but it seems like I don't want to do that with everything I put up. But anyway, it's, it's great. Because I kept I got worried, like, the bigger gets, things are gonna get lost, but they don't get lost. Like if somebody comments, and then it gets pushed up, and more people can see it. And it still works. I mean, people complain about Facebook all the time, but it's a

Isha 06:38 I think it really depends on what you use Facebook for. I know, obviously, with like, teenagers, whatnot, it's probably other social media platforms. But I mean, it makes me sound so old. And I hate that I had to say that. But I think it works really well. Like I know if I ever have a diabetes related question or issue or concern, like, I can search that group or I can go and ask. And I'll get a fast response. You know, it's not like I have to kind of book an appoint with my endo and schedule a call. I literally can get that in five minutes. And it's today's

Scott Benner 07:07 right. You know, speaking of feeling old, Arden's been at school for like three weeks now. And of course, this hurricane is coming right at her. And so she's staying with one of her roommates, and they had to go shopping and the roommate didn't have money and artists like, Hey, can you send her some money? She's buying me some stuff. I'm still in class. I'm like, Sure. So I text her and I say, hey, you know, Nazar, how, how do you want me to get you this money? And I said, I could pay pal or Venmo it and she goes, Do you have Zell and I went, I'm 51 Do you want me to pay pal or Venmo? And I said, it'd be honest, if you had Apple Pay, that'd be better. And she's like, Okay, I could take it through Pay Pal. I was like, All right, like, it's you. You know,

Isha 07:51 isn't it funny how there's certain things that indicate when you've kind of reached that point where you're like, Yeah, I'm an adult. Yeah, I'm not doing that. I'm not learning that. Like, I'm not going there.

Scott Benner 07:59 I can't have 75 Cash apps on my phone. I'm sorry. Like, I'm not doing that. Yeah.

Isha 08:04 No, I refused. And like, I have friends who have Snapchat and I'm like, Nope, I'm not going there. I'm not doing it.

Scott Benner 08:10 That's a good idea. I think, Well, okay, so. Alright, so I want to get dig in a little further. First, I wanted to say because I'm going to completely forget that. I started to say it in the beginning. But when Isabel from the private Facebook group hears that you're from Toronto, she's going to be thrilled. So she said, Oh, yeah. Hi, Isabelle. She's such a proud Canadian. But isn't it interesting? So you're from India and live in Canada.

Isha 08:36 I was born like my parents are from India. I was born and raised in Toronto. My parents originally from North India.

Scott Benner 08:43 Got it. Got it. And Isabel is from France. So it's a little melting pot.

Isha 08:49 It you know, I try? No, I will say and I'm sure you've probably heard is like, incredibly diverse. And it's probably one of the few things like there's many things I love about it. But like that's one thing that I absolutely love. You have every background, every culture, every language, it's pretty good. A lot of good food.

Scott Benner 09:05 Yeah, that's excellent. Very cool. Okay. So tell me when you you get into the Facebook group, and then we'll get away from this. And then it's just a Facebook group, but then you realize it's attached to something else. I'm interested about how you decide I'm going to have this as a podcast, let me go listen to it.

Isha 09:24 I'll be very transparent. So at first, I was like, Okay, I'll start at the very beginning. Because I think for a lot of folks, that's just you start something new, you want to kind of you feel like you want to do it, right. Like I want to start right at the very start and work my way down. But it's not like it's not like a step by step process that way. I remember I listened to the first episode, and I was like, okay, and I started listening and they were great. There were some episodes that definitely intrigued me more than the others. And then I think I saw someone online reference certain episodes that talked about, like, just common themes, I guess, with managing diabetes, like, you know, I don't know like Basal rates Sir, you know, it's under carbery, stuff like that. And then I kind of recognized, oh my gosh, I can listen at any point in time, and it'll still make sense. And that was, I think, really eye opening for me. And then from there, I was like, okay, like, this is kind of a community where you talk about things that will help you in terms of your management, but also in terms of just lifestyle, and just, you know, like an interesting podcast that has benefits to me personally, this is fantastic.

Scott Benner 10:29 Yeah, I, at the time, when I started the podcast in 2015, I think, My God, in January, jeez, a long time ago, when I started it, I didn't quite know what I was doing. What you could expect. And in my, my mind's eye, I thought I was gonna take my most popular blog posts and read them. I know that sounds silly now. And I sat down and did it once and I got a few minutes into it. I stopped the recording. And I thought to myself, like, I wouldn't even listen to this. So why would anyone else. And I started kind of reformulating what I was going to do. And I decided I would just hit on some of the big topics, but I didn't have guests. So it's like, well, I'll just talk to myself, you know, I'll, I'll do that. And as I'm getting that all together, this kid with type one diabetes is on American Idol. And I just sort of like oddly was like, messaged him. And I was like, Hey, I have a diabetes podcast, you want to come on it? And he said, Yeah. And so at the time, I was super excited, because I felt like I had an interview that was like something of interest and, you know, pop culture, and that it might help me get the whole thing started. But now I look back in hindsight, and I think that's a weird first episode for people to hear.

Isha 11:47 I will say, given everything I saw in the Facebook group in terms of discussions, questions, topics, and then hearing the first episode, I think it threw me off a little bit, because I was like, I don't quite get it just yet. Yeah. But I think in and now there's obviously so much in that group where people tell you like, if you want like the Pro Tip series, if you want this, like, if you're a beginner like it, that's very, very helpful. But there's a lot in there to listen to. So it's good.

Scott Benner 12:13 Well, I also don't want to like, totally crap on the fact that I had that guy, I can't even think of his name. That's terrible, that I'll figure that part out. Because I did enjoy talking to him. And so I think that helped me understand, well, sometimes we can talk to people who have diabetes, and sometimes we can talk about managing diabetes. And then I went into the management stuff, I think in the first 10 or so, people actually really love Episode Four on episode 11. And they're like cornerstones of like, how I manage diabetes. But then people started coming on, and started doing interviews, and it gave me a chance to get better at it. But I agree with you that by the time I was like, 200 episodes into the show, I thought there's a lot of information in the show it spread out. And I should consolidate at some places, because I'm noticing that some people are super interested in hearing about, like stories, and some people are super interested in hearing about management. And I can't tell them listen, if you listen to the first 150 episodes of this, I guarantee your agency is gonna go into the sixes, which I think is true. But, you know, seems unreasonable. So that's yeah, that's when we started putting this series together that were more management based. And, and they're

Isha 13:30 great, because they're quick lessons. Like, the thing I like about it is, it's something you can listen to like in the car, or just kind of doing other things, which is nice. I recognize it's really hard to listen to podcasts all the time when you're so busy. But I like that you have things broken down into bite sized information so that it's extremely focused. So if you're looking for just kind of like the Go twos, or you have more time and you want to just, you know, enjoy, listen and kind of get a bit of both, you can

Scott Benner 13:53 Yeah, no, I think it's terrific. I actually, I can't believe that it's so well, is doing two different things, which it really is like it's talking about the management of diabetes. And it's actually a podcast too. And I mean, by that, I mean, people come on and talk and there's no real focus. And a lot of people enjoy that most of my downloads come from the fact that people want to listen to a podcast, and they liked it the like that you have diabetes. But the people who want the management stuff very fervently want the management stuff. It's it's a it's a interesting mix. I don't even know why it works. I'm not asking a lot.

Isha 14:32 Don't argue with it. It's working really well. Exactly. Just keep going.

Scott Benner 14:35 Right. Okay, so you said you got type one when you were four, I

Isha 14:40 guess I was four and a half when I was diagnosed. My I remember at the time, like my mom was like, something's off. Like my daughter has lost a lot of weight. And, you know, at that stage, you know, I think her pediatrician was like, oh, kids are fussy eaters, like you just need to be a little bit more strict with like when she eats and I was like, I don't know something's off and like, you know, typically Besides, like, I thought he was wetting the bed, which wasn't normal. And then my mom literally was like, You need to go and do a blood test. Like, I am not going to leave you alone until you do. And sure enough, they were like, mother's instinct is right.

Scott Benner 15:13 Wow. And then she takes you to the hospital. And we're on our

Isha 15:15 way. Yeah, it was a blur, because even when I was going through all the signs, like, you know, my parents are both from India, and like, they're brilliant, very well versed and, like, have a soldier and a lot of things. But, you know, you think of it, you're like, my kids losing weight. So like, you know, we have family members who were like, You should eat things with higher sugar content, or like, have more carbs. Which looking back at obviously, like, I know, is not what, you know, if you're not taking insulin, and you're having all that you're kind of killing yourself slowly. But you don't know what you don't know, until you kind of have some guidance from, I guess, a medical professional or you know, a little bit more about what you're actually dealing with? Or

Scott Benner 15:54 was there any, any reason to think there might be diabetes, people in the family or anything? Like, no,

Isha 16:01 no one in our family has it. And I think that's why my parents were really shocked. They didn't, you know, like anyone, you don't know about much of it type one until it impacts someone you love, or someone close to. So they were it was very new. And during that time, like now, you know, you listen to the podcast, and you're talking about the sensors and the pump, and like, you know, looping and all these things that just weren't existent at that point. And I remember, like, I still have the meter, it was like massive, like took a minute to test your blood sugar. And you know, you're taking needles, and at that point in time, it was like twice a day. So it wasn't like your carb counting accordingly. It was like you take your morning insulin, and then your bedtime insulin. And that's it. And I remember like my mum and dad woke up multiple times a night to check my blood sugar and just check on me and, like coming to my school to make sure that I was okay. And like, just now I look at parents and even people in that Facebook group, and I'm almost in awe, just the amount of advancements there have been in diabetes. It's it's really, really, really incredible.

Scott Benner 17:00 Yeah, no, it certainly is even. I mean, Arden hasn't had nearly as long as you have. But it's wildly different from when she was diagnosed till now. Like, yeah, just wildly but we, we hit, you know, I almost said we got in, like it was an investment opportunity. And we were there just in time to get the boom. But I don't know why it occurred to me that way. But Artem was diagnosed just a few years before CGM and B started happening. So she wasn't too long without some of that stuff. It didn't work as well back then, as it does now. But

Isha 17:37 of course, there's probably so many advancements. But I mean, like, even that is interesting, because when I was diagnosed, I was four. So I had really good control. My dad was really diligent with like, you know, if I was like, oh, I want ice cream, he's like, you gotta run up and down the stairs 20 times before we have that ice. And I would do it and it would help. And like, my agency, for the longest time was like six, well, growing up with my parents, it was really good. And like, I remember when the pumps came out, my endo was like, I think you'd be really good candidate for this. And I was like, No, I don't want it. And I think I only got a pump a few years before having kids. Because I was just, I had this thing about like, No, I manage it. I don't need a pump to kind of like manage I already do a good job on my own. So I find like those who have kind of come into diabetes where like those tools are there. It's such a great, great tool. Like, I think a lot of people prior to you get stuck in your ways, you know, you're kind of like this works for me, and I don't need to change it by change can be a good thing.

Scott Benner 18:33 Was it? Was it really working? Like I I'm always interested by those statements like this works for me. Was it really working for you? Did you have low variability? Did you?

Isha 18:44 So abs? So great, great question. And I think a lot of it is like you feel like you're doing, you're managing because there's certain benchmarks are like my agency is good. Or like, you know, I know my insulin to carb ratio, and I don't need a pump. But you know, there were so many unknowns, like I remember, you know, you take your insulin, you don't know if you're which direction your blood sugar is going. And you know, if you're going up, you're going down, you're going across, like you don't know how much insulin is in your system. I didn't understand the idea of stacking, like stocking insulin at one point. So I'd eat to give myself like a shot. And then like a couple of minutes. I'm like, oh, yeah, I really want me to eat that too. And I do that and then all of a sudden my blood sugar be crashing and I couldn't understand why. So, you know, overall, I think I had good control. But there were just things that I could have done so much better. And now that I have a pump and I have a sensor, like I rave about it to everyone. I'm probably part of like the cult who's like, you've got to get this.

Scott Benner 19:39 That's fine. Listen, I think that if people can afford technology and they want it, there's a lot of benefit. And it's just I'm not saying you can't manage while with MDI, you certainly can. But I mean, not having to unless it just doesn't bother you and there are some people I talked to that are just like I I don't care how many times I stick myself with this needle doesn't matter to me. So

Isha 20:03 funny you say that, like, you were, you know, we're talking about where my parents are from and all that stuff like so my parents originally from India, I remember when I was younger, we went there. And we think our luggage got lost. And we had a few needles with us. But the rest of my supplies were in my bags, we had like enough for a few days. And my cousin went out. And my parents were like, We need to get these needles, because like, we have to give Isha her insulin. And they got the like, he didn't know and it was it. I remember, like, my cousin felt terrible, but the, the, the needle like units were different than what my parents were using. And I think I ended up taking like, it was just so much more insulin than what I was normally taking, and no one noticed. And I had a really bad really, really, really bad reaction like seizure. And we were all confused. And like, it took them a little while to recognize that the units were actually different. We were in a different country, like it wasn't the same. So you know, don't get me wrong, MDI is fantastic if you can do it, but there's, you know, we're all human. Like, sometimes something gets missed sometimes, like, I just find with a pump that the insight you get from that, like, and especially to the point where you can factor things out like I can change my Basal rate at 3am when I'm sleeping, rather than having to get up and do a shot if I need to. I find that really, really, really incredible.

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And of course you can just type in contour next.com forward slash juicebox and you will be helping the podcast So aren't you know she's three weeks into college She's actually doing really well with her blood sugar's and everything and she comes home, they're gonna do some dishes and then she's like, I don't know, I was just gonna make something in the room like ramen or something like that. So she gave herself a big Bolus. And she's doing dishes and then some boy from downstairs calls and says, Hey guys, the taco place is still open, we should go and Arden's like Yeah. And she goes and they get there. And she she thought she got there in time and ate but then she got low afterwards because it's just way too much of a Pre-Bolus and then she didn't eat the same thing that she thought she was going to eat. So okay so you know Dexcom catches the low before it happens. I texture okay, you see this? She was Yeah. And I'm like I think this is going to keep going the line has like I said that that line is talking to me. This is trying to go there. out, like, really? You don't I mean, so she's like, okay, so she starts, you know, she does something, she's like, I'll just drink a juice and she drank a juice and it caught it and held it for a while. And then suddenly, it wanted to go lower again. So it was late, and she's like, I want to go to bed. So she ate something more substantial. And then she's like that if I Bolus for what I just ate, it's gonna give me like seven units of insulin. And I thought, That's right. But I don't, but I don't want her to sit up all night. So I said, Okay, I was like, well, instead of telling you it was 40, carbs on she told it was 20 carbs, let it give you the four units that wants to give her something like that. And then we'll go to sleep. And if that's not right, which I don't think it's going to be, the algorithm will stop and bring you back down again. So you might go up, but you're not going to go much past 200. And you can sleep and this thing will level you out. And I have to say she should have just Bolus, probably closer to 40 carbs, not all of them. And exactly what I thought was gonna happen happened, her blood sugar went up like 190. It stayed up there for a while, and then it came back down. But you know, her day off is today. So she's trying to sleep in so Arden's blood sugar right now is 130. And she has not been tending to it for the last eight hours. And so that's the thing, we're back in the day, if you would have done that your blood sugar, gone up to 450. And it was you would have woken up with a 400 blood sugar.

Isha 26:24 Yeah. And you wouldn't necessarily know because again, it gives you a fragment time. It doesn't give you like that big picture of how it is what direction for how long. Yeah, yeah, this thing.

Scott Benner 26:34 So with this technology, I was able to say, Okay, I know we're not going to be perfect tonight. But everybody's going to sleep and our blood sugar is going to be okay in the morning. And that's all technology. It's really

Isha 26:44 incredible. I am I shared with you earlier, I just had my third child like four weeks ago. Oh, wow. And thank you, thank you. And when I was pregnant with my first before I got pregnant with him, my husband was the one who actually pushed me to get a pump. And he was like, because I think he came with me once to my endo appointment, because he just wanted to learn more. And they brought up the pump and he was like, this would be really good for you. I was like, no, like, I got this like, you don't think I can manage my diabetes. Like I came from a very like defensive perspective, which to be honest, was not smart. But anyways, he was like, let's just go and take a look at it. And anyways, I ended up going in the pump. And I will say I don't know how it would have managed pregnancy without an insulin pump. I didn't have a CGM for my first pregnancy. And I managed well, but it was now that I had it for the next two. It was a game changer. Like my insulin needs went up like 75% During my like more than that during my pregnancy. And I managed my my insulin and my blood sugar is during delivery. And it was like a breeze. It was obviously very hard. I'm not going to put that at all. Just because so much fluctuates in pregnancy with blood sugars and how much insulin you need and how your body reacts. But I don't know how anyone would have done that without it.

Scott Benner 27:58 Tell me Wait a minute. You were like pushing out a baby and running your insulin at the same time?

Isha 28:04 Yeah, I did that for all three of my pregnancies. That's so

Scott Benner 28:06 cool. But the first two you did it with them di and at a meter.

Isha 28:10 No, no, no. So with my first I had the pump, but I didn't have a CGM. Gotcha. So I was still testing. And it was great. Like my endo and I came up with a plan. She's like, once you deliver, you're gonna cut back your insulin by this much. Like bring everything down by 50% and 70%. And it was it was so helpful because like, again, unless you're dealing with a specialist, a lot of people don't know the ins and outs of diabetes, like I remember, came across the hospitals. That was phenomenal. Like, they were amazing. But the nurse was like, am I supposed to give you your insulin like every hour? And I was like, No, you'll kill me. Don't do that. I got those. Don't worry.

Scott Benner 28:42 You're a sweet lady. Please go away.

Isha 28:45 I was like, yeah, exactly. I was like, please stay away from me. But you know, when you know something so well, you know how your body reacts. And again, with the pomp and with the CGM like you just, it's just a different. A different level.

Scott Benner 29:00 Yeah. So in your note to me, you mentioned a couple of other things. One of them was that you kind of have a high stress job, is that right?

Isha 29:08 And yeah, it's it's funny, I guess I probably responded A little while back, it was in a different position, a different company at that point in time, but I traveled a lot for work. Prior to having kids, it was like I was traveling at some points, like every week. And like, you know, you're doing presentations, you're meeting with high profile people, and it's a it's busy and stressful and, you know, you kind of have to react accordingly. So with diabetes, it's, it's, it's different. It's hard

Scott Benner 29:37 when you were on a lot of flights. And yeah, and did you have any trouble with that? Or did you find what was the secret to doing it? Well, I guess

Isha 29:46 it's interesting because until like you guys had an episode about this, which I was very grateful for, but I would always have like a significant drop or a significant increase and I would never understand why like to the point where like one time on a plane I was with a colleague And I like I kind of blacked out. And I couldn't understand why I was like, I don't I don't get it. Like what happened. And I remember talking to my Endo, and I was like, Does my insulin pump give me more insulin? Like, will it go down? I'm not on a to like, I want to I want to AMI pod. And they were like, No, there's nothing in here that would indicate it. But after listening to your, I think the episode on it, and then like reading a lot of the comments, it just seemed like a common theme. So you know, I just made sure to like chug a little bit more before going on the on like going into flight, like, suspend my insulin at certain times. And like, I would always keep my blood sugar slightly higher, because I was traveling by myself. Yeah, and just to be safe. And then I knew like what to do once my sugars came down. So it was it, I think when you're in a really busy job, or when you're in a really high stress job. One of the things with having diabetes is like you have to figure it out. And like you just you're kind of learning on the fly too. And I'd have like presentations and like you're super prepared. And then you know, for me, if I get nervous, my blood sugar drops. And then you know, you're going up on stage or you're talking to like, ton of people and then you're like, oh my god, I'm shaking, like how am I supposed to do this? So you kind of have to kind of plan a little bit ahead to be like, Okay, I know, I get nervous, I gotta have an extra juice before going on. You know, my blood sugar might be a little bit high for like 20 minutes afterwards, but then I have it because I'm catching it right in time. So you kind of you kind of look at trends and see how you how you respond,

Scott Benner 31:28 you build you build like guardrails into the moment, right? Absolutely, absolutely. I'm noticing Arden doing that. Even in just a few weeks that she's school times where she would not have been concerned about getting low because she would have said like, first of all, I know this is gonna work. But if I were to get low, I'll take care of it. But now she's not airing like, she's not erring on the side of caution to the point where she's pushing her blood sugar way up. But I do see her thinking about it a little bit. Like she, she caught. She caught a little bit of a drop during a class yesterday. And I was gonna say, maybe we could. I don't even know. Like, I texted her. I was like, What are you going to do here? And she had already done like three things instead, like, you know, I might have said, like, you could try a couple of gummy bears here and see what happens. Or I think it's too late to cut back your basil. Like that kind of stuff. She's like, I cut back my baseline of gummy bear and I drank a half a juice and I was like, Oh, wow, like, you're way ahead of me. Well, not only that, but she's just like, look, I'm by myself. Exactly. This is different. And it hit her very quickly. You know what I mean? So

Isha 32:33 I think that's one of the things when you are by yourself like I'm not gonna when I was with when I lived at home, you know, my parents were always very helpful. But when you're by yourself, you recognize like the world does not know what you have to do and the world does not know how to respond to you. And I had again before being on a pump before being on a CGM. We went a friend a few friends and I went to Buffalo for the day to go shopping. Because first of all, you guys have target. That's freaking amazing. That's a different podcast story. And we gone shopping and we came back and I think on the way we we got like Timbits or like those little donut holes. We have Tim Hortons here they have these things called Timbits. And it was I dosed for like three of them. And one of them fell on the floor. And I just forgot about it. So the example you get with Arden where like her blood sugar is going down, she could see it cuz she forgot I forgot about that template. And I was attending to something and in the duty free I passed out and I hit something and I was bleeding everywhere. And my friends were like freaking out and it was it was bad.

Scott Benner 33:34 For the love of a Timbit you're on the floor. Oh,

Isha 33:37 look at the things I had to go through. But I even just forgot what you're talking about. Because I've just so sleep deprived.

Scott Benner 33:46 What did you make a third baby for the two? Not enough? What were you doing? There's a moto interhouse was like you can do hard things. Okay, well trust me bigger three babies persevere. That's gonna be hard. By the way for the love of a Timbit can we make that the episode title because for the

Isha 34:02 love of the timber. There was a reason I was telling you the story. And now I forgot because I'm like sleep deprived or a reason there was a purpose while we're talking about

Scott Benner 34:10 know what it was. And I'll take you back to it in a second. But let me just tell you this, prior to the Timbits story, I've been sitting here trying to decide if I am a genius and came up with something that no one has ever thought of before. Or if I just thought of something that everyone's thought of before because I thought can we call this episode can Indian? Oh my god.

Isha 34:31 You know, it's funny. So my husband's Jewish and we always call like our kids, little Hindu babies.

Scott Benner 34:37 Well, I can see your last name. And I have to tell you that when you got on and we were chatting before we started recording you're like I'm Indian. I was like well definitely married then because

Isha 34:48 yeah, sure. You can call whatever you want. And why did they tell you that story?

Scott Benner 34:56 I'm almost feel by the way I feel like so powerful. Now that I know what we were Oh, am I at your mercy? I really don't like let me just I'll just manipulate the conversation anyway. I won't because she's stuck. No. So anyway, I just use you know, I was like, Googling while you were like, I wanted to make sure like, what if Ken Indians like a bad word or something like that? And my stupid head just came up with it anyway. No, no, here we go. So we were talking about, you talked about how Arden Bolus for something. Yeah, she forgot about she forgot about it. And then we talked about how being by yourself is much different than being rude people. Remember now.

Isha 35:34 Thank you, Scott. Thank you for being my memory. Yeah, when you're by yourself, like you have to figure things out. And some things sometimes things go sideways, like they really go sideways, but you learn from it. Like I know now when I'm by myself, I don't have that luxury of forgetting. You know what I mean, and with the CGM, and with the pump, it's a different story. You have indicators to tell you if you have. But I mean, when you're by yourself, you have no one else to rely on. Nobody else knows, oh, I know why he was telling us. So I had that I passed out. And my friend really, like ran to go get me a pop. And I didn't have like my glucagon or whatever it was on me. And my other friend who's with us, someone tried to give me my insulin. And my friend had to fight them off me. And she was like, What are you doing? You're gonna kill her. And the person was like, my mom has diabetes, like she needs her insulin. And my friend was like, your mom's probably not a type one diabetic, like she has low blood sugar, like, gotta get the hell away from her. And I remember my friend was shaking for like days after that, because she's like, that person would have killed you if I wasn't there. Or helpful, or somebody is really a stranger because because again, like I had passed out in the duty free, like I was surrounded by blood, it was a pretty intense situation. But it was just a reminder to me that you know, people mean, well, but even with good intentions, people still don't know what we know. You know, you know how your body responds to something. Arden probably knows now, how she responds to certain foods, certain incidents, or like events in her life. Like we all kind of learned as we go when you're diabetic, too, or you have a child who's diabetic, whatever. But a stranger to them a lot. For a lot of people. It's like you're diabetic, you take insulin, like that's what it is.

Scott Benner 37:14 Well, well, in that movie with Julia Roberts, that's definitely what they would have done. Right? They either made her drink juice or gave her a shot. So

Isha 37:20 yeah, it's definitely a huge oversimplification. But I,

Scott Benner 37:25 but that's what people see, though. I mean, because they don't know. Although I am fascinated that a stranger would be comfortable just giving a medication to somebody.

Isha 37:33 Don't worry, that's that's another like, scary thing. I was like,

Scott Benner 37:36 I know what to do. And you're over there, like, bleeding and low. And you don't know, please don't kill me. You don't know what's happening right

Isha 37:44 now? No. And like, I think that, you know, I'm obviously little embarrassed sharing that with, like, so many people who listen to your podcast. But the reason I share that is like, I think if you have a kid who's diabetic, or you're diabetic, you quickly learn that, like, you can prepare them up to a point, but they'll have to learn certain things on their own. And like you really hope obviously, it's nothing that hurts them or damages them in any way. But I think a lot of those events, whether it's passing out are like a high profile job or a high stress job is you're quickly have to figure things out. Like you don't have a choice.

Scott Benner 38:16 Yeah, no, I think to that there's ways to recognize scenarios that are going to be that could be more problematic than others and defend yourself around those like keeping your blood sugar a little higher. If you're on a plane and you know, you get on a plane and you're by yourself. Or you know that I just I realized now that if this were to happen to you again, you'd snatch that die that doughnut hole up off the floor and just eat it dirty you Yeah, I'd

Isha 38:41 be like five second rule. That's fine.

Scott Benner 38:42 I need this. I gotta I'm sorry. No one judge me. I'm eating this doughnut hole.

Isha 38:46 Oh, yeah, for sure. And or, like, I know, like, I could suspend or like put a Temp Basal until I find something like there's so many things. Now I would do differently. If I had those tools back then. Yeah. But even with the with even a pumpkin sensor, like things go wrong sometimes. But I still think that you're kind of given advantage because you kind of, you know, the direction in which things are going.

Scott Benner 39:07 This is a good conversation for me to have at this point in my life, because I made a good decision the other day, but I wasn't certain if I did and talking to you tells me that I did Arden was concerned she was going to get lower, and she's looping. And so she did the she she didn't override and she took her like all the power of the loop away from it for a little while. And I thought I think she's gonna get high after this. But I didn't say anything because I wanted her to run it herself and see what happens. But now I'm seeing that the other benefit of not saying anything, is that she needs to feel free to protect herself.

Isha 39:43 And yeah, and that's tough because like, you know, none of my children are type one. But I mean, I think as a parent, you want to protect your kids, you want the best for them. You never want to see them get hurt, but you also don't want them to be independent and prepared and equipped. And I think finding that balance especially when you have to Ah, that's type one must be so challenging.

Scott Benner 40:03 Yeah. Well, so you said, gosh, did you say this on the recording that your brother was just diagnosed? Yeah, just 40. That's insane. So do you have any other brothers and sisters? And are they? Yeah, I

Isha 40:14 just have an older brother. And it was a huge shock to my brother's amazing. Like, he's brilliant. He's got a great job. He's married with two beautiful kids. And they had just had their second child and they just bought a house. So it was like all stressful things. And I think a lot of everyone would just was kind of like, Oh, he did. He looks really weak. And like, he's last week. And so the signs were clearly there. But I think we just all made excuses for them. We're like, oh, he you know, he looks tired and weak, but like, Oh, he's probably not sleeping as a newborn. And it's like, oh, he looks stressed out. Well, they just bought a house and they're moving like, of course. But his wife pushed him to go get a blood sugar. And it was weird. millimoles per liter here. So like, his blood sugar was like 26. Wow. And I, I went to the hospital with him, like forcibly stayed to just ensure that they tested for the right things like from the Facebook group, I knew like push for C peptide tests, like push for like an antibody test. You know, like, make sure you get the proper diagnosis. Because initially, it was like, Oh, you might have type two diabetes. And that was kind of the first first thing that I was like, no, no, no, no, like you need to get with a proper Endo. Who knows what this is. Everyone else is just going to treat you like, you know, even

Scott Benner 41:29 you standing next to him with type one diabetes. They said maybe he has type two diabetes?

Isha 41:33 Yeah, no. Before it was like I hovered. My brother was like, go home. I was like, I'm not going anywhere.

Scott Benner 41:38 Well, boy, I'll tell you what, that's interesting. I, I'd love to ask him like, did he think his whole life? Do you think I'm getting away with this? Like, he should has it but I don't? Or like, I wonder if siblings I guess my question is, I wonder if siblings that don't have type one. spend their whole life wondering if they're going to get it?

Isha 41:59 You know, I I don't know. I like, I think everyone around was pretty shocked. Because they were like, he's 40, though. And I think it's a good reminder that like, you know, used to be called juvenile diabetes. It's not called juvenile diabetes anymore, right? Or at least I don't think it is

Scott Benner 42:13 no. Reason I believe that I've been. I've no, listen. For some reason. I don't really remember the podcast so well.

Isha 42:22 You understand what I blocked out and I fold totally forgot what I was talking about. You make me feel better.

Scott Benner 42:26 I got a text from Isabel like three days ago. And she goes, What do you want to do with this? And I looked at it and I said, I have no idea what this is. And she goes, What's from a person you interviewed three days ago, and it's it's information she said she was gonna send to you. And I was like, Oh, I don't remember that. I was like, what was it about? Like, because I'm not on the same timeline you guys are. So I, like if you download the podcast this week, you hear stuff I recorded six months ago. And so I don't I don't remember it anymore. Anyway, but getting out what the hell was I gonna say you're rubbing off on me Isha?

Isha 43:04 I know. I know, it was we were just taught using group interviewed a number of people, siblings, like everything like,

Scott Benner 43:11 well, I don't have it written down somewhere. But I would bet that if I took, I don't know, a flowchart, I have probably interviewed somebody who's been diagnosed at every age, like 1234. Like it 5055. Like set, I think I did somebody recently who was diagnosed, like at the end of their 60s or their early 70s. Like, so there's no, I mean, is it uncommon for you to get diabetes? If you're 60? type one diabetes, if you're 69 years old? Maybe. But it could happen. And if you have a sibling who has it, like do you like you? Don't I mean, like, you know, when your father somebody's father dies of a heart attack when they're full. You spend your whole life thinking, Well, I'm not going to live past 40. I don't know. I just I always wonder that

Isha 43:56 it is interesting, though, because I've heard of people who, you know, have multiple kids who are type one, and some who have none. And like, I know, I think if you're a type one diabetic, like you, for me, like I'm always like, when my kids have this, like, is this something that they will have to worry about? I never really thought about it in terms of like other family members, and I feel bad about that. But I will say the silver lining is I'm grateful. Like, I know what I know, because I was able to help my brother out like I brought him a sensor in the hospital. I was like, You're not waiting for anyone like where this is cool. So it gives him an advantage, I think and like I can guide him to the podcast and the Facebook group above the other things that I think are really, really helpful. It's excellent.

Scott Benner 44:37 So do you. I mean, you obviously you just had a third kid. Do you think about that? Do you consider like trial and error?

Isha 44:44 I actually have so I did try that with my son. And I came back clear, which was really nice. I haven't done my daughter yet. She's three now and my son is literally like four weeks old. So he's got some time I'm not gonna He's got to get to be above to write,

Scott Benner 45:01 yeah, I think you have to be a certain age. And then if you get a completely clear no child that won't test you again, if you don't get any antibodies, I think, yeah.

Isha 45:11 So it was nice. Like, I had a conversation with someone, once we're like, what's the benefit of doing that? And I said, you know, it's peace of mind. And I think of it my brother, and I'm like, your sibling who has type one, and everyone around him, even myself, like I feel guilty about that was like, Oh, he just had a kid. Like, that makes sense. You're tired, you've lost weight, because you're not eating and sleeping properly. And, you know, looking back when we pieced together other symptoms, and like, yeah, those are like, textbook symptoms. But I think you know, with your own kids, like, my, my son, we drink a lot of water. And I'm like, Oh, my God, he must have diabetes. And I, my husband would be like, No, it's like, 40 degrees outside, your sun is hot, and he's drink water, like, relax. I think getting that test gave me some peace of mind to be like, okay, he's, you can just be a normal kid, like, not everything has to be a symptom. Or if he was, if he did have the antibodies, at least I know what major things to look out for. So that it doesn't get to a point where it's terrible. You know,

Scott Benner 46:06 people's brains work one way or the other on that. It's either exactly what you just said, or the people are like, Look, if it's gonna happen, it's gonna happen. I'd like to live blissfully ignorant till it happens, like one or the other. You know, like, it's,

Isha 46:17 yeah, yeah. And I hear you. And I think there's, there's advantages to everything. I just think that, you know, sometimes we, we think we'll catch everything. And I think we kind of underestimate like how complex and crazy life gets because you're right, like, you could lose a lot of weight, and attribute it to something completely different. And you could be really thirsty. And you know, maybe it's a side effect of the medication you're on. And I've heard so many stories of people getting diagnosis is take diagnoses, this is how you know, I'm tired. Diagnosis

Scott Benner 46:48 about stuff.

Isha 46:50 Yeah. And then, you know, they're like, I don't know why I didn't see that. My father in law, just had a quadruple bypass, he's doing really well now. But for the longest time, we were like, you're just out of shape. Like, go for another walk, like you probably need to just exert like, you know, get your heart rate up and like, eat better. And now, when we look back, we're like, No, it was because you had this underlying heart condition, and you didn't realize the symptoms. So hindsight is always 2020. But I mean, if there's anything you can do to kind of give yourself markers to look out for I think it's always helpful. But that's my perspective, I reckon recognize teachers on.

Scott Benner 47:24 You know, it's funny when you were stumbling over diagnosis. Here, a guy came up to me that it popped in my head that there's a word I can never remember. And I think I've said it on the podcast recently. And I thought, well, I'm aware that I can't remember it. So I'll think of it right now. And while you were talking, I still couldn't come up with it. So the word means when, oh my god, it's amazing. The word means this is gotta be like, I'm gonna have an aneurysm or something. Like there's gotta be a part of my brain that's like, burned, right? So when you are afraid that if you do something, oh, I got it. Superstitious? Very good. I can't think of the word superstitious when I need it. Isn't that ridiculous?

Isha 48:11 Yeah, it's verbal. I remember there's a term for it. It's like when the neural connections your brain are weak, you have to like strengthen them. So it's things like verbal fluency or something like

Scott Benner 48:18 I, I, I've been in multiple conversations. If you listen, listen, if somebody wants to do a deep dive on this podcast, go back and listen, for every time the word superstition could have been used, and I talk around the word to explain it. Because I can't

Isha 48:33 at least you recognize that you don't remember it. And then you can like make do I always just sit there and I'm like, I don't know what I'm talking about anymore.

Scott Benner 48:39 I'll tell you that this. I think making a podcast like this is really good for your brain. Because Oh, absolutely. There are days that I sit down, I'm exhausted. And I'm like, Alright, Scott, like this is it we're gonna have a good conversation with this person. It doesn't matter that you're tired, like go and I pull it together for an hour. And then I'll leave the room and just be like, I gotta take a nap. Although I'll tell you I did yesterday. I have more questions for you. But I interviewed Jennifer stone yesterday. So she's the girl the redhead from Wizards of Waverly Place. Do you know that show? On Disney?

Isha 49:17 I'm so terrible. I wouldn't heads down for like to be back in society.

Scott Benner 49:22 It's an older show. Like she's older now. She's 29. But she's got type one and she became a nurse. So Wow. So she's in this incredibly popular TV show was Selena Gomez. And she's

Isha 49:33 also That's why her name. So much. Her name sounds so familiar, but don't know who she is. Yeah, that's probably why

Scott Benner 49:38 so I believe she played a character called Harper Finkel in Wizards of Waverly Place, but not the point. The point is, is that I've interviewed a number of famous people who have type one diabetes, and sometimes they're I'm just not I don't think I'm going to say anything. Sometimes they're not a great conversationalist for some reason. but Jennifer was amazing. Like so much so that when it ended, I thanked her for being a person and being able to hold a conversation. Thank you for being here. Yeah, like this was amazing. Like, we stopped recording and I was like, thank you so much. I was like you were thoughtful and articulate and engaged and didn't run away the minute the recording was over. And, you know, like it was. It was it was lovely, actually. Yeah. Anyway, she didn't have any trouble coming up with words while she was talking, I think is where that

Isha 50:30 we all have different skills we need to work on okay.

Scott Benner 50:32 Yeah, well, mine is remembering. Dammit, superstition. There we go. Okay, so do you have gastroparesis?

Isha 50:46 So it's funny enough, actually looked at the notes. And I was like, I don't even want to talk about that anymore. So I actually didn't officially get a diagnosis for many years. I was like, I think I have an ulcer. And then I remember going for like an endo. And they're like, No, you're an endoscopy. And they're like, you're totally fine. And I was like, but I feel like there's a hole in my stomach. And I don't like this is really weird. And I'm, like, bulging and, like, I couldn't get answers. And I remember I did that. Like, there's a test you do, where you eat like a sandwich. And they kind of see how it travels down your system. I was like, am I eating something that's nuclear reactive, like what is happening. But anyways, they were like, you're fine. But I knew like, that's another thing, I think when you live with a medical condition is you really are forced to notice how you feel, you know, like, you pay attention to certain symptoms at times, like pay if something feels off. And finally, I met with a doctor. And this was like, after a few years of pushing, because I was like, this comes and goes and like, I don't know what's happening. And, and he was like, you've had diabetes for over 20 years, like we do see this for and I was like, but I have really good control, like, my blood sugar is really good. Like, I have loads here and there. But like, for the most part, they're great. And he was like, just being like one of the risk factors. Unfortunately, if you live with something for a very, very long time, like you can have it. And anyways, I haven't had a flare up in like years. But I got kind of like an indirect diagnosis from a gastroenterologist. And it was to be honest, kind of like a relief, because it was like, Okay, I'm not crazy. That makes a lot of sense. I have all the symptoms, but like, I don't need to, I don't know if it's because like, my blood sugars are so good. Now, like, I haven't had a flare up, I don't have to control my diet. I do know how to manage it when it impacts my blood sugar now. So if it does kick in, I kind of know to put a Temp Basal on for like a higher rate for a couple of hours to kind of avoid any delay, but to be honest, like how you deal with proteins and fats probably the same way. Right.

Scott Benner 52:39 Right. And so do you have stomach you have stomach pain?

Isha 52:43 Yeah, like I would eat something. And I would like be sitting down the friend and I'd be like, I like I burped. And they'd be like, Whoa, and I was like, I don't know what's wrong with me, like, what didn't happen. So it's like, you belch like you. And I think it's just because you haven't digested food properly for for a little bit.

Scott Benner 53:01 How bad? How did things work? On the other side? Were they coming through? Okay.

Isha 53:05 Yeah. And that's, that's why I think a lot of the times, everyone's like, you're totally fine. Like, we don't see anything. But I had certain symptoms that I was like, No, I know, this is not normal. And I know that something's happening, because I see it reflected in my blood sugars. And, and, you know, obviously did a lot of research and a lot of things that I read is like, you can have a very mild form and like, you know, going through blood sugar control, and it's not you can manage I know, for some, it's, they need to be on medication, and like they have to, like remove certain foods from their diet. And thankfully, I haven't gotten to the right and but I do know if every now and then it kind of slipped like habit creep up, but it's probably been a few years. And I'm grateful for that. But I haven't had that as a concern.

Scott Benner 53:48 Have you noticed any impacts from stress on it?

Isha 53:55 No, no way. Interestingly enough, no, I see it reflected obviously, my blood sugar and other things like the only other health conditions that I have, I have psoriasis. And like, that's something that I see flared up with stress stress. And but other than that, no, and I'm I've kind of forgotten about it until you brought it up was like, oh, yeah, that's a thing.

Scott Benner 54:13 Just because Arden for I mean, a while, like longer than I think could be like, Oh, my stomach hurts. Like, you know, like, she asked us to push on her stomach, things like that. And she was constipated on top of all that. And then we ended up you know, you go through. It's interesting how sometimes you skip over common sense and go to a doctor. Yeah. And so we did everything we could think of he you know, like every test and everything and everything always came back. Okay. So finally we got her, you know, a scope. And the guy comes back and says it's very similar to what you heard. He goes, Well, there's some undigested food in her stomach, that's gastroparesis. And I was like, Well, I just talked about this in another episode as a way, way way. Like, I like what you're talking about, like So, you know, and he's anxious, you know? And so he goes, Well, that's just the term we use for slow digestion. I was like, well call it slow digestion then because I

Isha 55:09 no doubt within that's the thing, like when you get to a certain diagnosis, we all think of things, I think is probably the worst case, or a very, like severe case. Um, so sometimes it's hard to see where we fit into that where you're like, I'm not like that, or like, I'm, you know, I can eat my foods and I'm not in pain curled up on a ball. But it's, I can totally understand that because I, I joined a group online to learn more about it, and I couldn't relate to anything. I was like, Oh, my God, this is terrible. Like, is this what my life is going to be like? Like, you know, these people are incredible what they're dealing with on a daily basis. That sounds so hard. But I kind of recognized as you can have varying forms of things. And again, like it's just slow digestion at time. So I do agree with you, like the name of it probably throws you off.

Scott Benner 55:54 Yeah, I was it because in my mind, I was like, Well, duh. So there's nerve damage and heart and stomach and he goes, Well, no. And I was like, well, then, let's not call it gastroparesis while we're talking because you're, you're messing my head up, like, Yeah, but just, and he's like, okay, so he goes, Well, we're gonna put her he goes, let's put her on a gastro precice diet. And I was like, Are you not following this man? I was like, because you clearly can't hear so. So where I was lucky is that I got to call Jenny, who's a nutritionist and has type one diabetes. And we talked through and she goes, I don't Arden doesn't have gastroparesis the way we're talking about, like thinking about and I was like, oh, yeah,

Isha 56:32 yeah. So and I think I probably have Wait, wait, you saw with Arden? Yeah, times. And I think like, you know, listen, we for those of us who are diabetic, like even with good control, there's just certain things that I think we're probably more prone to, but I think names of things can really mess with your head.

Scott Benner 56:46 Exactly. I was like, wait, because also, he's talking about significantly restricting your diet forever. And putting her on pain medication. Yeah. And instead, she's taking a couple of supplements, and she's okay.

Isha 56:59 Yep. Yeah, exactly what I did. I remember the doctor gave me like, I think I crushed my endo to give me like medication. And I didn't take it. And she was like, Why did you ask me for this then? And I was like, I thought I needed it. But I think I don't and I don't want to take it because I don't want to become I don't want this to become part of my like, I'm not where everyone else is who has got gastroparesis, and I didn't eat it. And it was just, again, like monitoring certain things and being more mindful of how he felt.

Scott Benner 57:25 How about we didn't even ask for the medication. He gave it to us in the first office visit before only talking to us, like, here's some samples. And I'm like, What in the hell you're giving us you're giving like an 18 year old samples of a pain medication before you're actually like you said, Well, I don't want her to be in pain. And I was like, aren't we got up mcaren oranges. I'd rather my stomach just hurt. And I was like, Okay, gotcha. So, it is funny though, after she got the school. And she's forced to eat in the cafeteria the whole time. She's like, hey, my stomach starting to hurt once in a while again. And we went over what she's eating. And I say garden, you have to avoid like fried foods. Like just because you don't eat. You know, she's like, there's french fries here all the time and stuff like that. I'm like, Yeah, you can't like, stay away from it, like oily stuff. And she's like, okay, by the way, my stomach would hurt if I eat fried food all the time. Yeah,

Isha 58:20 absolutely. So it's, it's interesting, like hearing like, just, what you guys how you guys were kind of like, problem solving. With that. I just find, because we were talking about like high stress jobs. I think one of the things that I noticed with everyone who's type one, is that there is this like, you figure it out. You know, I mean, like, it's it's actually like, a skill that I think not everyone has is just that mechanism to be like, Okay, this might be hard, but I'm still gonna figure it out. And I love that.

Scott Benner 58:47 Yeah, I think she's starting to finally get it too. Because when she was younger, and I'd say stuff like, well, it might be this. She'd be like, you're not even hurt. If you listen to her on the podcast recently. She's like, I haven't. Okay, she's like, you know, you're not Dr. House. And I was like, Well, I felt like it. And she goes, he goes like this. I know you did. And I said, Well, I was very proud of myself. But I think that can be annoying. But it's interesting how as soon as she went off to college, and she's by herself, it wasn't like, Oh, don't annoy me with your ideas about what was wrong. She's like, hey, what do you think is wrong here? I think she you know, she switched pretty quickly to being interested in what I thought was like,

Isha 59:24 okay, distance makes the heart grow fonder.

Scott Benner 59:28 I think I think it made her realize she was by herself. And she didn't want to be by herself. You know, like in the thought process even like course

Isha 59:35 and you probably start to look at things differently to like you recognize something may have been annoying because you had access to it all the time. But now you're like, oh my gosh, that was actually giving me insight to figure this out or like to find a solution. So I do think perspective.

Scott Benner 59:49 I'm also like, irritatingly consistent. So, when she I have to find this text from last night because I similar like I said, I saw her going down, she saw herself going down. She was taking care of it. And I said, I almost have it one second. I said, Hey, she goes, Why were you just calling me? I said, I'm checking on you. I don't like the way this drop looks. I said, it's all good. If it's all good, but don't forget, you know, that's it. And testing would be a good idea in this situation, I love you. And she goes, Dad, I know. And I responded, I know, you know, but I'm 13 hours away, and I'm going to worry. So please test your frickin blood sugar, and drink some juice. And I said, again, I love you. And then you know what she did, she tested her blood. She tested her blood sugar, and she sent me the number. So it was just, it was one of those. I mean, anybody who has a CGM knows, like, this wasn't just a fall, like we described earlier, she over I could tell just by the, by the the angle of the line that this wasn't stopping. And I don't know if she can see that yet. So I also said during the text, I was like, look at the I was like, bring up a three hour graph, look at the angle that line that and that line tells me if you don't do something, you're going to be 40. And even though you're 70 right now, and so I'm hoping she learns that stuff to through this experience.

Isha 1:01:19 I think in a lot of those skills, like relating it back to your home, it was work, it's I think all of the skills we get from being diabetic or living with someone who's type one or managing somebody's type one is there a lot of transferable skills that way that I think are so valuable, like so, so valuable, just being able to look at trends, like being able to kind of look two to three steps ahead and be like, Okay, this is going to happen if I do this.

Scott Benner 1:01:44 I understand how people who are maybe newly diagnosed are struggling, don't want to hear this. But diabetes teaches you so many things, like if you if you let yourself have the experiences that are really valuable in a ton of other ways in life, like it doesn't make your diabetes go away. But you do become much more agile

Isha 1:02:07 100% 100% Like Scott, one of the things in our household, like tooth, actually two things, let me backtrack a bit. One, I always struggle when people are like, diabetes doesn't define me. And I'm like, I get that, like, you are so much more than your diagnosis. But when people like it's not, it's not who I am, so much of who I am. And so much of my personality has been shaped by my experiences from being type one, or from my management or from my Outlook, or from just how I kind of navigate it on a day to day basis. Yeah, and a lot of the things we, in our household that we teach our kids are a lot of them are based on my experiences, like we always say in our household, like we can do hard things. Like just because something's hard doesn't mean we don't do it. You know, we always figure things out. Like it's free. It's hard, but we figure it out. There's always like, there's always a way to figure it out. Like that perseverance aspect. You know, like, you may know now that it's stress that impacts your blood sugar's maybe you have a drop in your stress. Now it's like, what are you doing over and over again, to figure out how to avoid that. So you don't have a dangerous low? Yeah. Or with my kids. It's like, okay, you don't get the first time. But we got to keep trying, like, you don't just stop after the first try.

Scott Benner 1:03:12 It forced me to, I'm sorry, cut you off. Good.

Isha 1:03:15 No, no, no, like, I'm just saying, there's so many things. It's why like when people kind of shy away from being like, oh, diabetes is not who I am. And like, but there's so many good things like obviously, you know, in a heartbeat, I would take it away from everyone and anyone but I mean, it really depends on the way you look at it. Like there's so much it teaches you. And there are things that I think that people in general value, you know, like they're valuable skill sets to have it or value to call it qualities.

Scott Benner 1:03:40 It's a big idea that I don't know that I have completely figured through. But diabetes forces you not to ignore things. And it forces you to learn about what's happening to you instead of just drifting through because the consequence, every time the consequence of diabetes of not paying attention is dying now or dying later, sooner than you should you know what I mean? Like, that's always the consequence of them being sick, dying, having like massive trouble. So you're always working to stop yourself from getting to that spot, which seems like dire and terrible. And I guess it is on some level, but I think it works well against human nature where there's something about people that's not in their own best interest. So I think you're born in this like, perfect, like little baby shell, right? And then we all have this kind of expectation that this perfection will last throughout life. And then every time something happens, that's not perfect. We get dinged by it really harshly. Yeah, but these things like, I don't know, I needed glasses when I was seven, or some kid called me fat when I was in eighth grade or like those little things like they're all in my mind. You start with whatever perfect is at 100%. And every time one of these little things happens. You get like a little chip comes off of your, of your perfect stone. You know what I mean? And you lose a little bit us a little bit, but you don't have to, I think we, sometimes we let the chip get taken away. And because you're like, Oh, I was supposed to have a perfect life, and it's not perfect. I'm not as tall as I wanted to be. I don't have as much money as I wanted. I didn't get to go to the school, I wanted to go to people don't talk to me the way I like and whatever it ends up being. But diabetes, if you're going to live well with diabetes, you're not you can't let that happen. Every time every time it dings. You, you have to put your hands up sort of like your friend at the duty free and be like, Oh, no, no, no, no, we're not

Isha 1:05:39 100% Yeah, 100%, my parents used to say to me, like, I remember when I was diagnosed. And I think once or twice, I just have a memory of kind of being annoyed about something. And my dad said to me, this is a good like, diabetes is a good excuse for you to take care of yourself. Some people don't have good excuses to take care of themselves, you do. So there are people who don't have diabetes, and they're in terrible health, because they have nothing to pay attention to, like everything you're paying attention to is just gonna make you better, you're gonna be more in tune with your body, you will be healthier than the average person. And I kind of like to think of it like that. Like, it's not all like rainbows and unicorns, it sucks sometimes for sure. But I really think if you kind of look at it from that perspective, it really changes the way you view these day to day like, chips that you were talking about.

Scott Benner 1:06:21 You were just so much more succinct than I was. But thank you, because I wasn't talking about words I couldn't think of so I don't know why it was so verbose. But it's because I think it's because I mean, your father was very smart. And I think it's 100%. True. I just think that there's something about people's desire for nothing to ever go wrong. That makes everything feel terrible. And so,

Isha 1:06:48 yeah, you're working towards something that's unattainable. Like, nobody's perfect. Right? You know, I mean, like, it's, I think it's just changing. I think it's more like, You got to view it on a day to day like, how, how much better can I get? Like, how much better can I get it at managing this? Or like, How can I do that in different way? That makes me feel better? Yeah, something, you know,

Scott Benner 1:07:10 no, I, I believe in it a lot. And I, for myself, personally, the way I talk to my family, you know, like, Okay, this didn't go right. But we're just gonna let it go. And we're not going to devolve into whatever, terrible, like sinkhole, this thing could pull you in if you let it. You know, it's almost like sometimes people throw themselves into the hole. Instead, instead of just walking around it. I guess. I don't know. And I don't think I think conscious, by the way.

Isha 1:07:39 I don't think so. Of course not. Yeah, not intentionally. No.

Scott Benner 1:07:42 Nobody's saying like, Oh, I give up. Let me just fall into this mud pit and be done. You know, I think it's just, oh, this thing went wrong. And I don't know how to fix it. That's the

Isha 1:07:52 hopelessness like you feel helped. I totally understand that too. Sometimes, like, if you don't know what to do, you feel like, this is how it is forever. Like, this sucks. And I'm stuck here. And I can't do anything about it. But I think if you take a few steps back, you recognize like, this sucks right now. But, you know, climate like you can pull yourself out of that hole. Like, let's try to climb out.

Scott Benner 1:08:13 Yeah, I also think to the secret to it is understanding that you don't know how to fix it. But that's not really the important part. Like, I know, I know that when I started making this podcast, I wouldn't have said this. But I I've had so many conversations with people with mental health struggles, that I think that giving voice to your struggle, I suppose that does sound like, like hippie dippie. But giving voice to your struggle really does alleviate it, like saying out and saying out loud. Something even if it's to yourself personally in your head or in a room that you know, this happens. It takes it away. I'll tell you. It cathartic. It just really is. And it lets you leave it behind. So that you can instead of like, instead of constantly thinking about it thinking about like, how do I fix this? How do I make this better? How do I make people like me? How do I make myself not feel so anxious? Like how do I like just accept that you're anxious and keep moving? Just accept that everybody doesn't like you and keep moving? And I don't know, I think you can leave those things behind on your path. And then look at the things in front of you. And all those things in front of you aren't going to be perfect. But again, you sidestep the ones that don't work for you and stick with the ones that do and

Isha 1:09:25 yeah, I think the big part of what you're saying is like, you got to keep moving. Like that's the inodes and it was hard and obviously like I feel for anyone who's been through anything that's tough, but I think when you put a label to something, it validates that it's real, right? Like it's a thing. It's not just something that's inside your head, it's something that you're actually dealing with and that's okay. Right. But you can keep going Yeah,

Scott Benner 1:09:45 that sucks. Keep going. That's pretty much it. And I listen, I recognize that everybody's in my situation like I am wearing clothes and I have food and I'm sheltered and things like that. Like I'm I hope nobody thinks that I'm saying You know, if you're homeless, just ignore it and keep going like that. No, of course not like and

Isha 1:10:04 it's, it's, it's it's like it's subject like, again, context is everything. Just to anyone listening, Scott is very in tune with everyone. So my we mean well,

Scott Benner 1:10:14 no, I think I think people get it you know what I mean? It's just obviously that advice doesn't work for everything. But I think it can work for things that burden you psychologically or about diabetes. Like in general, I think diabetes, I think diabetes can easily become a psychological burden, obviously. And so you have to figure out the parts of it that you can work with the parts of it that you can kind of control and the parts of it that you have to just kind of shrug and go. Alright, well, let's see if I can do about that. You start fighting, you start fighting their own battles, you'll be stuck fighting those battles forever, I think,

Isha 1:10:52 Oh, for sure. I actually like, yeah, I was going to mention because you were talking about the whole part of just keep moving or like, you know, trying to fit well, we were talking about trying to figure things out. I remember before listening to your podcast, I would have these like, there was a moment in time where I had these hills, like in my butt, like, you probably know, I'm talking about when you look at your CGM, and it's like, looks like little mountains. And I could never figure it out. And I was getting so upset. Like, this sucks. Like I don't, I think was my husband was like, Well, how are you going to solve that? Like, you just have to keep moving? You can't just sit there and complain about it. Like, is there something you can do? It's baby steps, like I started recording what I ate, and then kind of trying to find patterns. And of course, it came across a few episodes. And I think some screen like screenshots that people shared in your community group that were really helpful. So it's like any little bit you can do to help move yourself forward, even if it's just like an edge is still very, very, very important to kind of factor into progress.

Scott Benner 1:11:45 Yeah. No, I agree. It's, by the way, you about a couple of times you gave me I know.

Isha 1:11:50 I was like someone's gonna bring it up. Go away, everyone. Appreciate.

Scott Benner 1:11:53 I appreciate that. Thank you. It's, um, I don't know. It. Just enjoyed it. So do your parents find

Isha 1:11:59 you? Because do you do you see, I'm gonna ask you something. Because, like, so if you ever did, I don't think you have an accident. But I always find it amazing for like, oh, you say it like this? I'm like, I don't think I say like this because everyone around me says it like this. So it's fine. Oh, do you talk to people who just are not aware of accents? Or is everyone kind of just like, there's something wrong with your voice? Not mine?

Scott Benner 1:12:20 No, I don't think I think most people don't hear any difference in how people speak. Honestly, unless it's really like, I don't know, severe. But and you're like, You're interesting to me, because the abouts were just there was only two or three. And they were very slight. And if I didn't know you're Canadian, I might have like, I might have missed them. They weren't like really, like significant. So

Isha 1:12:49 a plus you have to go further eastern Canada.

Scott Benner 1:12:52 Well, you also have that weird blend. Like I'm trying to decide. Do your parents have Canadian accents or Indian?

Isha 1:12:57 My I'm like what you said sometimes you don't notice it? Like I don't think my parents do. But I think someone who might hear them from like, outside of the family might be like, yeah, there's an accent there a little bit. My mom, like my parents have been in Canada for such a long time. So I would, I don't know. So now I'm gonna record them and listen to them and be like, do you

Scott Benner 1:13:17 my my daughter's friend Santanna? Like, she's incredibly Americanized, but you can hear the Indian in her voice if she starts speaking quickly.

Isha 1:13:26 Yeah, I can see that. There's Listen, we all like our parents will rub off on us. Yeah,

Scott Benner 1:13:30 yeah, that's where you hear it with her when she's when her when her speech patterns picks up in speed. It quickly goes like that. But you just sound like you could be from anywhere from the sound. Okay, yeah,

Isha 1:13:42 I should have told you I was from a place that doesn't exist and see if you can figure that out.

Scott Benner 1:13:46 Or try to embarrass me that I don't know that Mesopotamia is not on the map anymore. So I'm actually I

Isha 1:13:51 will tell you a story. And I don't you can cut this out if it's like so it appropriate. But I think it's hilarious. Years ago, I had gone to Sarasota, and in Florida. And I was meeting some friends and I was at the hotel and and I was talking to someone there. And they're like, oh, what's your background? And I was like, I'm Indian. And this guy comes over. He's like, What tribe are you from? And I was like, why? And he was like, What tribe? You're like, no, no, like, my parents are from India. And for the longest time like he couldn't figure that out.

Scott Benner 1:14:18 Oh, he wanted to know if like you were Comanche or something like that.

Isha 1:14:21 Yeah, it was like he thought it was like it like, like, at like, it was native or average. And depending on where you are in America, it's us. First Nations are in and I was like, no, no, like, I had no idea where India was.

Scott Benner 1:14:36 Well, Florida is a special place. Yeah.

Isha 1:14:39 Like what are you talking about? I don't know why that made me think of that.

Scott Benner 1:14:42 Well, no, now that I know you're willing to talk about things like this. I have a last question before I let you go. How hard was it to get your husband's Jewish parents to be okay with this?

Isha 1:14:53 Oh my God, it was they were great. It was funny because it's actually quite sweet when we met. I was like, I don't don't have to work like my parents are from India, like it's very family oriented. They're gonna want to know who your parents are. And like, I don't know, it's work. So my husband like called my inlaws up at the time, it was like a wrap. We have some ages, parents are gonna do dinner. Me like major, our families, like, got to know each other. So my parents were more comfortable with it, his family, parents were totally fine. My parents were like, okay, and then, you know, after that, we were like, Oh, they're two different cultures, like, how are you gonna have this ceremony? So my husband, like, looked at a Hindu, Hindu? Like, it's not even a real thing?

Scott Benner 1:15:29 Is that what you just said?

Isha 1:15:32 Like Hindu customs and Jewish customs, and like, basically, we created ceremony together. So it was quite nice. kind of took a lot of effort to mold both our families together.

Scott Benner 1:15:42 Do you think I'd get in trouble if I called this episode Hindu? connait? Can Indians

Isha 1:15:47 Oh, my God, my, my hashtag for wedding was Hindu 2015.

Scott Benner 1:15:50 It's amazing. So your parents didn't everybody, nobody rubbed up against the cross cultural nature of it. It was okay.

Isha 1:15:58 I think at first, my parents were more again, like my parents came to Canada at a time, I think we're, you know, we don't, there's a lot more exposure now and knowledge and acceptance. But like, my parents hit certain things where people wouldn't give them a like, my dad's an aerospace engineer. And when he came here, like, couldn't get a job. Because again, like, if you weren't a certain, you know, skin color background, they weren't opportunities. And there's Yeah, and I think as a society, at least, we hope things are really progressed. And like my in laws are wonderful. My parents like love My in laws so much. And my husband's like, very protective over if anyone ever is kind of like racist, or just kind of gives pushback or anything. He's quite vocal about it. So we've kind of molded our families together really nicely. It's nice. Yeah, it's really nice.

Scott Benner 1:16:43 I only ask because I have a reasonably personal knowledge of a couple of Indian girls that we've known over the years who got pushed away from their boyfriends by their families. And I'm thinking of a couple, but I know one girl was not allowed to marry her Pakistani boyfriend. Like she could date him. And nobody said anything about it. But when it came time to, to get married, and I think

Isha 1:17:07 I think it exists and like, maybe I'll get like, I don't know if you'll actually play this part or not. But I don't know, use your judgment. But I mean, I think in every culture, there's always this protection of wanting to preserve your customs and traditions. And I think a lot of people feel that if you move away from that you're losing a sense of like years of ancestry and things like being passed down. And I think now, when I see it is like, people are raised differently. Like, I don't see someone and be like, Oh, they're this color in this background. I'm like, Oh, that's so and so like, great, right? Um, whereas they think, you know, a lot of the experiences that my parents generation or their generation went through really shaped their outlook in terms of why they feel that way. Like it was just something you do. Like, they also didn't have options like we have options now. Like you can date someone now who's have any background, any color, any age, whereas if you grew up elsewhere, like you didn't have those opportunities.

Scott Benner 1:18:01 No, I'm, I always think of it as a sad story. Like, I don't know, I'm sure her life turned out fine. I no idea. But I just remember in that moment, thinking, wow, like, she's got to break up with a person she loves now, like, that's it, it's time to get married. Stop seeing that, boy.

Isha 1:18:17 That's hard. And that's really hard. I know of a lot of things I would have my own experience with people who are like, can't be with you because you're, you're Indian, or you're you're not this you're not it's, I happen still a lot today. And I think every group, it is really sad.

Scott Benner 1:18:30 All very frankly. Yeah. And listen, diversity is important. And I'll tell you why. If for no other reason, I now know to get my eyebrows threaded, because of my because of my daughter's Indian friends. So and it's way better, just

Isha 1:18:47 so first off, I need to look at your eyebrows. Now. Second, I'm very impressed. Because not everyone knows about threading and it is a game changer with your eyebrows. So good on you, Scott.

Scott Benner 1:18:56 That's amazing. My daughter used to art nice to get waxed. And one day her friend was like, you really should just get threaded, a it's an insanely cheaper and be it's better. And so we

Isha 1:19:08 get hurt. It's like if you're not used to that someone would start screaming.

Scott Benner 1:19:11 Oh my God, he's just so artists like I'm gonna go I'm gonna try it while you drive me. It's before she had before she had a license. So I drove her to this place. And you know, we went in, and I will say the first time we went in, they looked at us like, why are there white people in here? It was very, are you here? Are you the right place? Okay, the pizza place is right over there. And you know, but like when she sat down, she got threaded. And she did it again. And again. She's like, can you take me to get thread and this became a thing we did together. And then one one day, one day, she's like, You should try it. Your eyebrows are terrible. And I was like, Okay, so I'm just you're a good sport. Oh my god, it hurts so bad.

Isha 1:19:51 Yeah, I was like, I'm impressed that you know what that is because not many people do. Second I'm impressed that you actually like went through it.

Scott Benner 1:19:59 Oh, it hurts so bad. that'd be like your eyes water and like afterwards you're like, Oh my God, but then you look at like, oh, they do look better. Okay, so then she'd go back. And I'd go back to we have little like punch cards, like if we go 10 times to get like a free one. And and then she like, it's one of the last things we did before she left for college.

Isha 1:20:18 So threading is like your thing. I wonder, like, I wonder if Arden like thinks of you anytime. So when gets threaded?

Scott Benner 1:20:24 Well, she's like, I don't know what I'm gonna do. When I'm down here. I think I found a place to go get threaded, I'm not sure. And I'm having the feeling like, I don't want to go without her.

Isha 1:20:31 Like, I'll be there in like, four days.

Scott Benner 1:20:35 I'll wait till you get home. We'll do it together. But yeah, it hurts less and less as time goes on. But if you skip, if you skip a couple of like, I don't know, weeks or whatever, and you come back, it's like, Alright, I'm ready. Go ahead, do it. It's absolutely amazing. Anyway, there's the end, by the way, you're getting charged like 30 or $40. If you're a person being waxed, like your lip and your brows, you're paying a lot of money for that. I think threading with a tip is like, eight or nine bucks. Like it's nothing. So

Isha 1:21:05 just so you know, Scott Funny enough, it started off that way. Like I haven't gotten my restaurant in forever, because I think they're just like permanently, like the way they were once they were sorting by and they people start to realize like, it's a desired method of like doing your eyebrows or whatever. And like you like, you can go some places and it's like, $25 I

Scott Benner 1:21:22 can't do that. Like,

Isha 1:21:24 I know. Okay, inflation. Well,

Scott Benner 1:21:27 I will fight against it. I'll pick it. Although I will tell you this one thing when we call to make an appointment. This is so delightful. We must like, literally we must be the only white people that come here. And so like we'll call I'll be like Hi. Like, I used to do it. Like I get a text from art and she'd be at school she'd like, I want to get my eyebrows started this afternoon. And somebody to answer the phone no big Hi. I'd like to come in and bring my daughter and for threading. And and the voice on the phone goes Arden and hike. Yes for art. And she goes okay, we will see her then I was like, Okay, great. And then I hang up the phone. I'm like, I have to be the only Caucasian person who calls here or I'm the only man. Oh, hey, Scott, what's up? Like, like, it got to the point where she got there. And it's in a different town than ours. And a woman's threading Arden and she goes, Do you know, this girl and she brings up a girl's name and and goes, Yeah, I go to high school with her. And she goes, How do you know, I know her. And so obviously what happened was they were together somewhere personally and privately. And they're like, hey, there's a white girl that comes in here and gets her eyebrows threaded. And her name's Arden and the girls like I know her. I go to high school with her. And that actually like Arden, she's it's just hilarious. So that is really funny. We're made home. Now we walk in, we're like, hello, everyone. And they're like, you're here. It's

Isha 1:22:44 like celebrities. They're

Scott Benner 1:22:45 like cheers almost. It's very funny. So anyway, I really appreciate you doing this. Is there anything we didn't talk about that we should have?

Isha 1:22:54 I'm probably so many things, Scott. But I probably will harass you at some point in the future. And I'll be like, Hey, I have things that I remembered. I forgot about.

Scott Benner 1:23:01 I had a wonderful time speaking with you. So

Isha 1:23:04 vice versa. Thank you for giving me a break from newborn life. It's amazing. But it's nice to be able to like use my brain a little bit.

Scott Benner 1:23:11 I'm sure it will come back eventually. Or it won't. There are times there are times when we look at Kelly and we're like, Oh, I think she she slipped over a hill she's not able to climb back up.

Isha 1:23:22 So I'll tell you a quick story quickly that I'll let you go when I had my first kid and everyone's like mommy brain is a real thing. I remember I took him to the family to his pediatrician appointment, and I came back to the car and the trunk was open. The passenger side door was open the front and see through and it was all open. Like I just left it there. And I was like, Oh no.

Scott Benner 1:23:40 My neighbor never closes their trunk. And that's my dad. One day I went over and I I just I couldn't take it anymore had been open for hours. And so I closed it the next time I saw him I said hey, I closed your trunk and he went why? I went it was open for hours because he I don't mind that I was like oh sorry. And then I realized he wasn't forgetful. He just was just didn't want to do he was just cool with this trunk being open. So I was like, Alright, well I won't do that again. I'm

Isha 1:24:06 sorry. Anyway, kind of thing to do though.

Scott Benner 1:24:09 I'm gonna go take out the place where you curse Do you know you're cursed one time? Did I really? Yeah, very small course. But

Isha 1:24:14 you did. I'm sorry. No,

Scott Benner 1:24:16 don't be sorry. i It surprised me that like in a bad way. Just

Isha 1:24:20 it's funny. A lot of people say that to me when I'm like Oh, I'm like I was swearing so much like I could never picture that from you and I was like, thank you but I don't know if I should say thank you for that.

Scott Benner 1:24:28 I am 5926 And you said so check that out and then we're I just set it at 121 So Alright cool. Hold on one second for me. After we got done recording Isha told me her a one C was six with her first pregnancy 5.5 with their second and with the help of the podcast 4.8 with her third pregnancy can Indian is a possibility for the podcast title and no, I can't do the other one. Can Indian it's close or For the love of a Timbit Well, I just thought you might enjoy hearing my notes to myself at the end of an episode. I want to thank Isha for coming on the show and sharing her terrific story with us. And I want to thank the contour next gen blood glucose meter contour next.com forward slash Juicebox Podcast our next is a great meter contour is a great sponsor. Check them out, would you please thank you so much for listening. I'll be back very soon with another episode of The Juicebox Podcast