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Scott Benner 0:00
Hello friends, and welcome to episode 757 of the Juicebox Podcast.

On today's episode of the podcast Arden has returned. My daughter Arden was first on the podcast in August of 2021. Wow. Over a year ago, sorry. I know I said I've got her back on. I didn't know it was gonna take a year. Anyway, she was first on episode 517. I think it's called Meet Arden. And today she came on. Well, you'll see in a second but much like all of the episodes, I had no idea where this was going to go. I just want my intention was to have Arden on and we were going to talk right before she left for college about some things that I wanted to reinforce with her but you know, it didn't go that way. Anyway, while you're listening, please remember that nothing you hear on the Juicebox Podcast should be considered advice, medical or otherwise, always consult a physician before making any changes to your health care plan, or becoming bold with insulin. If you have type one diabetes, or you're the caregiver of someone with type one diabetes, please go to T one D exchange.org. Forward slash juicebox. Join the registry. complete the survey when you complete the survey. You're helping people with type one, you're helping yourself and you're helping the Juicebox Podcast T one D exchange.org forward slash Juicebox Podcast this show is sponsored today by the glucagon that my daughter carries G voc hypo penne Find out more at G voc glucagon.com. Forward slash juicebox. today's podcast is also sponsored by Dexcom, makers of the Dexcom G six continuous glucose monitoring system, you may be eligible for a free 10 day trial of the Dexcom G six go find out@dexcom.com forward slash juice box. Okay

Unknown Speaker 2:09
Wait no. Why are you moving away from me? Because I don't want our microphones to pick each other up.

Arden Benner 2:14
Oh my god. I'm gonna go wherever you get the nice chair. My office. It's my last day here. You don't know what can happen to me.

Scott Benner 2:27
Is that how you want to start this? Okay, so I will let you fix your wedgie. Okay, got it. Terrific. It's been a while since you've been on the podcast. People ask for you to come back all the time. I try not to bug you about it. All you do. I do bug you a little bit. Talk right into that thing.

Arden Benner 2:55
Next to me. Talking to

Scott Benner 2:59
me my drink please know this one. That's fine. Do you want this one for now? Yeah.

Arden Benner 3:06
Thank you just said.

Scott Benner 3:11
So it's late at night. And we're getting ready to go to sleep and sleep for a few hours and Levin 17 to be exact. And then we're going to take you to school in the morning. long drive. about 15 hours taken to cars. packed full of stuff. Yes. You think you're ready to go?

Arden Benner 3:29
I'm good.

Scott Benner 3:31
You're definitely ready to go. Do you feel nervous? No. Okay. So I've been wanting to do this with you. So that we don't have to do it for real. You don't even

Arden Benner 3:44
know. This feels for real to me, are sitting right in front of me.

Scott Benner 3:49
I mean, like, you know, I'm recording it, which is odd. But I don't want to I don't know. I've tried my best over the years, right to pass off your stuff to you very slowly. And for years people have said, either that's a great idea, or that's not going to work one or the other. So I guess I want to ask you how ready Do you feel to take care of your diabetes stuff? By yourself? No, I

Arden Benner 4:16
can 8.6 out of 10 That's not bad. I mean, I had a seizure so well, that brings down my skin. Just like my point.

Scott Benner 4:29
What was the short one? Are you gonna tell people about that? Oh, yes, either. Yeah. Okay. Well, we'll talk about No, I feel like all right. What do you feel like?

Arden Benner 4:39
I don't have to cut this out. Why? I was gonna say I feel like some of these people might take it more seriously than I do. Well,

Scott Benner 4:47
do you think you don't take it seriously? No, I

Arden Benner 4:49
take it seriously to the amount of serious that needs to be taken. Okay. Yeah. So I don't think that anybody's gonna be put off. Oh, that's what a lot of people when they're like, they're just so serious. And I'm like They make a joke out of it. Well,

Scott Benner 5:02
I don't know what to say. So we'll talk about that in a little bit. Alright, so first things first, you are going to go to a hotter climate. And you're going to be moving around more more than usual, right? You're going to be taking buses instead of driving places. And we expect there's going to be some adjustments that need to be made. So are you worried about that?

Arden Benner 5:28
No, I'm not worried at all.

Scott Benner 5:31
If I said if I dropped it right now, just I went right over. Heart attack, probably. Okay. Okay. And that happens to be a stroke, or a stroke. And you

Arden Benner 5:40
maybe like an embolism? Is that how you say it?

Scott Benner 5:44
I think it is. Yeah. Are you showing off your your Grey's Anatomy,

Unknown Speaker 5:47
a lot of Grey's Anatomy. Sure. And so it has to restart because Derek's gonna die soon.

Scott Benner 5:55
It if you were completely on your own, and you got to school, and found that you were having pretty consistent low blood sugars. Would you know what to look at?

Arden Benner 6:06
Yeah. It wasn't really late.

Scott Benner 6:09
It is late here. But on your settings, would you know what to do?

Arden Benner 6:14
The I'm sorry. I would, I would see the word now. Click it. Yeah.

Scott Benner 6:20
Yeah. What would

Unknown Speaker 6:24
you want to look

Arden Benner 6:26
like the insulin to carb? Not that it's the, um, I know, you could like take basil away and all that, right. But that's not even what you're talking about. Hold on. Let me grab my cellular.

Scott Benner 6:36
Okay. So you think one of the ideas might be to lower your Basal make your basil weaker? Yeah. And the other thing

Arden Benner 6:47
is the is it the last stuff on here? But is it the insulin sensitivity? Right? Yeah.

Scott Benner 6:56
Right. And then of course, the insulin sensitivity? If it was, let's just make up a number, say it was 50. Right. And we went through this right? And you were getting low. One of

Arden Benner 7:05
them's like, you make it low, you're gonna get Ha, no, I'll text you.

Scott Benner 7:10
But would you make it first time? But would you make it 51? Or 49? If you if you are getting low

Arden Benner 7:17
49? was a wild guess? I don't know. I'll text you. Okay, the first time, another very long post it note. And then we'll be fine. So

Scott Benner 7:28
your insulin sensitivity, right? I knew that word is one unit moves you 50 points if the number is 50.

Unknown Speaker 7:39
Okay, so we

Scott Benner 7:41
would want it to move you not as far if we wanted it to be weaker.

Arden Benner 7:48
It makes sense why I said 49.

Scott Benner 7:50
Now the lower you make the number, the more aggressive it's going to be. The higher you make the number, the less aggressive it's going to be.

Arden Benner 7:59
When you speak to me the words go in one ear and out the other. I don't know how these people you just said something and my brain went. Okay.

Scott Benner 8:10
So we took screenshots of all your settings. And we'll send them to me. And then over the next couple of days as you settle into your, you know, routine, we'll make adjustments where we need to make adjustments. What's the thing you think you'll struggle with the most?

Arden Benner 8:27
Talked about life or diabetes, diabetes? Oh, okay. Well, um, because I was gonna say choosing an outfit to wear. But that's not the answer. For I don't know, probably just at night, over I'm not like, anything that happens to me during the day I'm not scared about because I know, I can just fix it. But at night, that's the only thing just because you know, I won't be awake. So you know, yeah, you could in your sleep.

Scott Benner 8:53
You could it in your sleep. That's 100% True. Yeah. So we have roommates that you'll have a roommate, and you'll have three. Okay, so somebody in your room and then two more people in your suite. Yeah. And we're gonna teach them like, Have you thought about this? Like what you want to say to them? No, they all know, right?

Arden Benner 9:13
Yeah. Okay. No, I gotta tell you that. Did you gonna be a surprise?

Scott Benner 9:17
No, I know you told them but did you tell them there's going to be stuff we were going to want to explain said

Arden Benner 9:21
that. My dad wants to sit down and talk to you guys. And they said, Okay, sounds good. All right. Well, I don't know what they sound like. So I just did that.

Scott Benner 9:28
So we're going to we're going to talk with them. We'll show them how to use the the G vo Capo pen case you need that right on. There's gotta be no one line. So willing. Yeah. Okay. So Alright, so let's talk more about like day to day stuff.

Unknown Speaker 9:48
Okay, okay.

Scott Benner 9:49
So you're gonna get up in the morning. Do you think you're going to eat right away? Yeah. What do you think you'll get up and eat before you go to class?

Arden Benner 9:57
I guess it depends what class I have. I have classes at different times every day,

Scott Benner 10:02
right? So your fasting blood sugars are really good.

Arden Benner 10:05
Oh, thank you. Yeah, that's quite a compliment. It is quite the

Scott Benner 10:09
opposite meaning you can get up in the morning and accomplish a lot without your blood sugar rising or falling. Have you noticed that? Yeah. Like you can also sleep in in the morning without getting too low stuff like that. Correct? Right. A lot of people can't do that.

Unknown Speaker 10:23
Oh, so

Arden Benner 10:25
that must. Probably does. Sorry, guys.

Scott Benner 10:29
So so if you got up early for an 8am and went from an eight to 10, I could see you being able to pull that off without eating. Yeah, I have that twice a week. Okay. And then you have other days where you have an 11am Do you think?

Arden Benner 10:46
On real,

Scott Benner 10:47
just that gummy bears, right.

Arden Benner 10:48
Yeah, it's still I'm fine. Whatever, we'll be fine.

Unknown Speaker 10:50
What's your butcher? Just,

Scott Benner 10:53
it's at why is it beeping at 80?

Arden Benner 10:57
You're asking me a lot of questions. I don't have the answer to

Scott Benner 11:00
I did lowered a little bit because you're going away. But I thought I lowered it to 75. That's coming back up. I can see. So you know, everyone can calm down. I don't think anybody was not calm. It feels like you weren't. So you could probably get up in the morning and eat before the 11am if you want it to if I'm awake. You're also not a young person, a breakfast person. Really?

Arden Benner 11:17
I don't like to eat like before, like 1030 in the morning, right? I feel sick. So that's

Scott Benner 11:28
here to tell people why you just acted like that a monitor started the dam. And I think she thinks that's the one that's recording the show. But that's one we

Arden Benner 11:34
can't we already nine minutes into this. We cannot start again.

Scott Benner 11:39
It's fine. We're not gonna have to start again.

Arden Benner 11:40
Oh, you can edit? Yeah, why would we add it? I'm saying you could edit it if we if it is

Scott Benner 11:47
if it got messed up where we good. Okay, so I see that. So you're so what are our real concerns? The heat is going to be different. So like your real concern, diabetes concerns. They still feel like you're a conceit. Walking. Right? Yes. Okay. I agree. How are you going to prepare for that?

Arden Benner 12:13
I'll bring a fan. I'm just kidding. Um, what do you um, you know, I'll figure out how it goes. And then I'll fix it after that. I don't know how else you would prepare for that. There's no preparation yet.

Scott Benner 12:24
So you don't see anything different than normal? You're going to walk with some sort of food some sort of fast that things do that. Yeah. You'll have juice with you and food. Yes. And that's pretty much it. Yes. Now. You've been taking care of your blood sugar. Pretty much by yourself for like, last year, I'd say Right. Very well. Yeah. Been doing a great job. You really have got one snafu. Almost no biggie wasn't almost that. I mean, okay. Was it was bad, right? Do you can you tell tell me what you remember the evening and I'll fill in the details.

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In just a few minutes, you're going to hear art and I talk about a low blood glucose incident that she had very recently. And I'm just going to tell you that when you hear the story, you're going to recognize very quickly how bad it could have been, and how lucky we were about how when and you're gonna realize how much the Dexcom G six had to do with stopping a bad situation from becoming a disaster. If you're using insulin, I can't recommend enough the Dexcom G six, head over to dexcom.com forward slash juicebox. To find out more about the glucose monitoring system that my daughter has been wearing for years. And the one that helped us in the story you're about to hear dexcom.com forward slash juice box you may be eligible for a free 10 day trial of the Dexcom G six. Honestly I don't feel like I have to say this but with the Dexcom G six up to 10 people can follow you or your loved ones blood sugars in real time on their phone. Right now. My daughter has been at college for a week. Let me just pick up my phone, open it up. And I can see that Arden's blood sugar is currently 95. And very stable. You can do that as well. With the Dexcom, G six, up to 10 people can follow like a school nurse, your dad, a loved one, your wife, anyone that you want. Dexcom shows you the speed and direction of your blood sugar. And it allows you to set up alerts and alarms at the thresholds that you want. I sincerely hope you check it out. In the story you're about to hear Arden was wearing the do it yourself loop algorithm. But it wasn't enough to overcome the variables that led to the story you're about to hear. And to be completely Blunt, The Dexcom G six and those alerts and alarms saved her ass. I really hope you check it out. And while you're at it, please make sure you're carrying glucagon. Alright, ready? Everybody get ready. It's a scary story. But it all ends well, obviously. So don't worry. Let's get back to Arden.

Arden Benner 16:19
Do I tell the story? Yeah. Okay, wait, well, I'm not understanding. So I'm, at the end of May. I had my prom my senior prom. I looked great. Beside the point you did. Fantastic. So once a prom and then as I went to prom, my parents went to my brother's college graduation. So they were not home that night. So knowing that this was going to happen, my mom made sure that three of my friends leftover that night in case you know, anything happened and just because my prom, it goes in the order of red carpet at the high school, then you go to the actual prom, and then you go to like an amusement sort of park until around four o'clock in the morning. You don't really get 430 in the morning, if you don't really get back to the school to like 530 in the morning. And then you don't get home till like six. Yeah. So we were basically gone. I was basically moving from like, 10am that day till 6am Like, almost 24 hours straight. So I go to the prom, and I come home at like six in the morning, me and my friends. And I'll take all our makeup off. We get pajamas, and we get down to go to bed. And I remember waking up once to drink a juice because my blood sugar was low. And I was like okay, whatever we called you about that. You called me but I was already on top of that. Okay, it caught me. I was like, okay, whatever. I mean, just go back to sleep. My blood sugar was not like, particularly low either. Yeah, your blood sugar was really good the whole day. Yeah, it was really good. And then it wasn't like it was like in like, high 70s Like going down. I think when you called me and I drank a juice. Like I didn't feel dizzy at all. I was like, I drink a whole juice. So it's usually like shoots me up pretty quick. I was like, I'll be fine. Let me just go back to sleep. If anything happens, I'll take care of it. So I got to sleep. And there we are. I didn't wake up again. Because I was seizing. So my dad called me. And I picked up the phone. I mean, let me just tell you, I don't remember ever picking up the phone ever. Like I have no recollection of doing this. But for some reason, my body gave me the ability to pick up the phone. And he talked to me and I don't this is where you have to come in because I don't know what you said to me.

Scott Benner 18:36
So the real like, the one thing that I did, so I stayed up till like two in the morning that night watching you. And you were super stable. And I thought wow, this is going really really well. And Kelly woke me up the first time. Like I guess it was around 630 or so

Arden Benner 18:54
which was around the time I was like taking the first Yeah. And I was like I had I had just fallen asleep. I was barely asleep.

Scott Benner 19:01
So you guys had just gone to sleep. Kelly woke me up and said, hey, you know, Arden's Hello, and I called you and we spoke and you drank the juice, and I looked at your graph. And everything about your graph said that this juice was going to do what it needed to do. And and so people should understand probably the for just because of bad timing. Arden's like she said her prom was the same day as our son's college graduation. So he actually graduated Sunday. Her problem was on Saturday or is it Friday, Saturday?

Arden Benner 19:36
I don't know whatever. The whole point is. I went I was after my red carpet. You guys left

Scott Benner 19:40
we had to leave here. We did the red carpet. Then Kelly and I just boom, we went home, took a shower. We drove off. Spent the night we saw Colin a party went to bed and I stayed up watching your blood sugar like the whole time. absolutely terrific. The one thing I didn't realize is that at like three o'clock in the morning, you ate french toast sticks.

Arden Benner 19:58
So yeah, So the the event the amusement thing we were at, they did this thing so that like every hour, they'd put out a new food and then it hit like three o'clock in the morning. And that was our breakfast, I guess. And I hadn't eaten since I was at the prom at like, nine like 8pm. And I was like, I'm kind of hungry. Like, we're up. Like, I feel like I should do this to stay awake. So I got like a cup. I got literally like three french toast sticks, and like a little bit of syrup. That was like, it wasn't it was barely anything. And I, I also gave myself like no insulin at all. Really? I was like, because I don't you know, I don't want to get love or wha. And which was weird because this happened. Three hours after I ate those.

Scott Benner 20:43
Yeah, that Bolus for those french toast sticks was probably not necessary at

Arden Benner 20:48
all. Which, yeah, but how am I supposed to know that? You

Scott Benner 20:51
know what I mean? I think, listen, I don't think he did anything wrong. I think you told me afterwards, and we'll get to it, that you think that there were just so many different variables that day that we're not. Alright, so. So anyway, so I call RT and she drinks the juice. And then I have to get up and take a shower to go to Cole's graduation. So I'm, you know, go into the bathroom, I do what you do in the bathroom. And then I'm getting ready to get in the shower. Well, I have to say there was a passage of time, a little bit of time, not a lot, right. And I'm standing in front of the mirror. This is embarrassing in the I'm standing in front of the mirror in the hotel, and completely naked, like I'm getting ready to step into the shower. And I think, let me just look at Arden's blood sugar one more time. And I flipped my phone open, and it said low. And the arrow was like diagonal down. So this is when you call me. So I call you again. I pick up the phone, and you're like, hello, and I go art and you're really low drink another juice. And you know what you said?

Arden Benner 21:50
No.

Scott Benner 21:51
Oh my god. Sorry. You said what? And I go drink the juice, there's a juice next you drink it, you're really low. And you go, what? And you have to drink a juice? And then you said I can't. And then you've kept saying that you couldn't you're like I said I didn't drink the juice. I can't. And then I started getting panicky. And I recognized this far away Enos in your voice as you being too low. And so I was like, alright, and drink the juice, drink the juice. And you're like, I can't, I can't. And then

Arden Benner 22:24
and then I said, I'm jumping.

Scott Benner 22:27
Yes. You started saying I'm jumping? Yeah. And I was like, oh, god, she's gonna have a seizure. So I knew you were in the living room, and that your friends were in there as well. So I said, I said, wake up the girls. And you just said I can't. And I was like, just the other names. And I was trying to get you to think I was like, Tell me who's there? Who's there. And I thought if you thought of the name, and you're like, I can't, I'm jumping. I'm jumping. So you were like, going like in and out of consciousness.

Arden Benner 22:56
So first, we should say that his his problem solving skills come in handy. And he screams through the phone. Like the phone is not on speaker. He just screams so loud, that my phone isn't even turned up all the way. And a girl heard it in her sleep. Yeah, and jumped up. So I guess this will take over again. Yeah. So my friend, her name is Nadia, she jumps up. And so the rest of the story is not really from my perspective, it's from what I've been told. So, you know, what, me is a big lie. They lied to me.

Scott Benner 23:32
I can tell you what happened. Well, I got.

Arden Benner 23:34
So, um, I mean, you can jump in. But so what I know is that Nadia came over. And at this point, from my point of view from what I remember is I don't like not remember the situation at all. I just like remember bits and pieces of it. So from my point of view, when they were all my friends had jumped up and they were running around to get stuff. It seemed like like when you watch a movie, and someone's like was was in a surgery, and they wake up and like they're opening their eyes and they show that point of view and everything's flashing it felt like that. So when my eyes were open, my friend would be in the corner of our living room. And then when I blinked she was in front of my face. It was like it was like she moved like the speed of light. And she was like right in front of me. So that was like, odd. And I know I was moving a lot like I know I was jumping like a seat. I mean, the rear will be seizing right I know that was happening to me. But um my friends explained to me that there if they think that I must have like subconsciously heard you say you're having a seizure, and that must have like, stared at me, because I was hyperventilating. And I'm sure like a lot of people probably do that. But they Nadia said that she looked at me in the eyes and it didn't look like oh, she's like just having a seizure it like it almost it was almost like I looked at her like, you need to save my life like I know something's happening. And like I'm having a panic attack about it. Right. So I think we think that's what happened. We think all the hyperventilating was purely just like anxiety. So that's what's happening to me. And with all the jumping around, like, at the end of this, I ended up with like, a rug burn all over me and like scratches all over my wrist. So my friend audit comes over, and one of them, I think, Olivia, my friend, Olivia was there too, once she gave me my first juice box. So I'm told, and she gave me the first juice. And then I remember you saying to test my blood sugar that you needed to have my blood sugar that's important, while Olivia is doing this test my pleasure. And Nadia searching around on this table next to me, and she goes like, it's not here. None of her stuff is here. And I was like, because in the back of your head, it's like, like all my mobility. Like all that's kind of gone. Like I can't move I can't see correctly. Like everything's going in and out my ears and I can't speak but I'm listening to what you guys are saying like, in and out and I was thinking it's prom, I moved all of my equipment into my prom clutch, which they would not have thought to look into. So I was like, oh my god, like how because I was not in a situation where I could be like, Oh, hey, Nadia, why don't you go my prom clutch and we'll test my blood sugar. So I it took everything in me like everything in me. But I worked up the ability to move my left hand. And it was like I fidgeted at the prom clutch. And I kept doing it. And I was just hitting it and hitting it and hitting it, like barely touching it. And she looked at me and I was like, I gave her like this wide look with my eyes. And I'm hitting it and she's like, oh, so she goes, she gets the prom clutch. By the way, the hardest bag to open in my entire life. It's literally like a Rubik's Cube, she finally gets to open. My friends have seen me test my blood sugar before so they do that for me and everything Nadia test. And then while this is happening, you know Olivia is giving me another juice, like all that's going on. And I remember when it was happening, you had told Nadia to go get to get something. I don't know what you told her to get. Because I know that her body was moving to get something right. And I remember her hand like touching mine because I was hitting myself. So she stopped me from hitting myself. I squeezed her because I was like you can't move because it's messing with my head. Because every time you move, it's like freaking me out because you're like jumping around. You're trying to hold her. So I was trying to make sure like someone was next to me the whole time. Right? So I held her there to make sure that she was with me the whole time. Olivia was feeding me juice boxes, which by the way, I could not like I know, Nadia was near me. I have no recollection of Olivia being anywhere near me at all during this whole process. But she was giving me juice boxes. And then my friend sonje was there. She got the bread later. But she she didn't do much. Yeah. Um, so. So this whole thing happened. And I remember like, you know, calming down and everything. And you were still on the phone with us. We tested my blood sugar and a couple more times. But I would say that this lasted like the whole jumping and everything. This lasted like a good half hour. Like it did.

Scott Benner 28:21
Is that how you feels to you? Well,

Arden Benner 28:23
they talk to me too. And they said, because even after, like, I wasn't like, like seizing foresight. I was still like a like, like that sort of thing. You just like weren't there to hear me like you were talking to her, not to me. And every time you asked me something, I was kinda like, Yeah, I'm fine. Like, it was like that, but I was still moving around. So then I would say like, it took like an hour for me to just be like, Oh, okay, like that's over. But it did take a couple of days to feel like, like normal again. Right? But so this whole thing happened. Um, you want to call it graduation that day, right? Really fun day

Scott Benner 29:04
for all of us. Do you want to hear about it from my perspective on the other side of the phone? Yeah. And then I'll tell you what happened after okay. So I screamed in the phone when I realized I wasn't going to be able to help herself or get the girls. I just started screaming. And Nadia said, I'm here. What do I do? And I said, get her to drink a juice. And I said the juice is right there. It's right next to her get her to drink the juice. And she's like, okay, okay. And then another voice came in. And I sent somebody to get the glucagon.

Arden Benner 29:34
Oh, I think Nadia was that's what she was going to get up to get. Yeah. And I grabbed her.

Scott Benner 29:39
Hey, you kept her there. Yeah, because I was like, somebody has to go get the glucagon because if this juice does not work, we have to give her the glucagon. Which by

Arden Benner 29:45
the way, at the end of all this when they got home and I explained the story, they said, Oh, we probably should have gave you the glucagon because the juice was coming out of my mouth. Yeah, so

Scott Benner 29:55
what I didn't know because I was on the other end of the phone just giving directions and not there. To see what was happening is that Arden really wasn't drinking the juice as much as they were squirting it in her mouth. And I guess you absorbed enough of it to kind of bring you back because this whole thing the from art and drink the juice, I can't to Nadia saying I'm here to you not seizing anymore. It probably only took like three minutes. It happened that part of it was really quick.

Arden Benner 30:23
Did not That's not fun quick. I would not. But I think like before I started to speak in sentences again. That was only about a half.

Scott Benner 30:31
Yeah, so no, for sure. So we got your so they gave you juice that I said for you to get. I said Whoever eats something solid like bread, you know, so that your your, your stomach could like not just be full of juice and to hold you up because I wasn't sure what the excuse me. I wasn't sure what the insulin was going to do. So because I had no, because at that moment, still, I didn't know you had insulin. Like this was really crazy that this happened to me because I didn't realize that you'd Bolus anything before that. And I didn't think you would had insulin for like five or six hours.

Arden Benner 31:01
To be fair, it was about like three, almost four hours, which is pretty something like that. That's kind of insane. So

Scott Benner 31:08
well, the peak of the insulin can be three. I mean,

Arden Benner 31:12
it was like it was also those like really crappy, like french toast sticks from like that you haven't that like hit you really hard. Right? So I don't know. It's just odd, right?

Scott Benner 31:22
So there was probably the loot probably gave you Bolus is in there too. Maybe if you tried if it tried, but you didn't get that high afterwards, because I look back later. And you'll never that high after after the, like maybe 130 or 140 After the french toast sticks.

Arden Benner 31:36
I don't know my brain was kind of shut off. Yeah. And so the whole thing was

Scott Benner 31:39
crazy. Because like I said, a 2am When I went to sleep, I was like, I can't believe how well this one today. And it was. So it was, first of all, it was incredibly frightening, because I'm standing there in front of the mirror naked, naked, by the way. And I'm thinking, Okay, I'm three hours away by car. And this is Cole's graduation. And I can't leave here. And I was thinking, I cannot let Arden have a seizure that like couldn't you? No, no, but this is what was going through my head, like Don't let this happen was what was going through my head like, think of something. So all of the skills that I have from talking on this podcast came in really handy because I was able to walk the girls through everything I was able to kind of hear what was happening to you. I could ask them questions about how you were to try to, you know, figure it out. And in no time really. I mean, from the time I picked up the phone and called you until your blood sugar was 60 Again, was less than 10 minutes. Yeah. And so now this is the craziest part. From my perspective. You were okay. I had to get in the shower, or we were going to be late for Kohl's graduation. So I'm like, okay, so I walked. Well, first I looked in the mirror after I knew it was okay. And I thought I have got to lose weight. And I walked into the room. I woke Kelly up I was like Kelly wake up. And she's like, what I'm like, I have to get in the shower. Arden just had a seizure. I stopped it. She's okay. But you need to wake up and start paying attention to her blood sugar because I have to jump in the shower. So mom got up and did that last night. What the hell was I gonna say I was out of my I was so upset. Like, I was incredibly upset when it worked out. I couldn't believe that we stopped it. But it was just I don't know. I want to say it was lucky. But it was crazy. Your blood sugar.

Arden Benner 33:28
The fact that I picked up the phone was lucky, right? The fact that you even looked before you got in the shower was lucky. And the fact that Nadia heard you was like, yeah, it was all right. If they weren't there, I'd be dead.

Scott Benner 33:40
And if I didn't call, then it would have been up to them waking up to this and figuring out what to do. And then you might

Arden Benner 33:46
find out where they're just not

Scott Benner 33:50
as great as they were. And this was really interesting for people three girls that Arden's known forever, like these girls grew up in my house as much as they did in their own house. One of them kind of froze and didn't do anything. Yeah, and one of them was helpful, but not a leader in this situation. Yeah, Nadia took over and like she took care of it. Yeah. And she like, it was amazing. Like so even those Mixa girls you know because people say all the time like oh, I explained it to my neighbor or don't worry they understand but you don't know how people are going to react and

Arden Benner 34:23
through those people probably would have been like, um, if Nadia hadn't said like go do this and go to she

Scott Benner 34:29
got very like she helped direct everybody Yeah.

Arden Benner 34:33
Also you said this previously so you guys obviously like don't know my friends so I'm not gonna like tell you about their lives but out of all of my friends Nadia has probably had like, one of the tougher lives Yeah, so she's been through more traumatic events, which leads to a more like How about everyone just like shut up and let's say

Scott Benner 34:52
yeah, she's dumb. Yeah, she's naughty a seen some shit like this isn't the worst thing that's ever happened to her? I don't think so. She was just like, do this Do this. And I have to say they were amazing. And you know, I would, you know, obviously very grateful but you're not wrong if I don't look at the thing like that was it like I somehow called you 45 seconds before you were gonna have a seizure? Yeah, that was it. And I somehow picked up that phone. Yeah. And you picked up the phone, and then the yelling. I mean, to

Arden Benner 35:21
be fair, like, I wasn't even I don't remember looking at my phone. Like, imagine if I had declined you by accident, right? Like, just all that stuff I

Scott Benner 35:29
would have kept calling back happened. I also would have called the girls after that. Yeah, but it's just that time was important. Because like she said, she had rug burn, it was on her elbows because she was elbowing the chair. She was

Arden Benner 35:40
yeah, we have like this. It's like this chair. It's like a giant chair sort of thing that has like, you can put your feet up or whatever. But it's like, almost like it's like a small sofa, honestly. And the sides of it. I just was hitting so hard that I had. So it was it was very weird, because, you know, like, all my kind of senses kind of leave my body. And then they start coming back to me. And at the end, it was like, almost like because I had lost the feeling in like my hands. Like I didn't really show my hands for like 15 minutes, right? The feeling starts to come back to me. I'm like, what is that? I was like, hurts so bad. It felt like someone was like, pinching me and I turned my elbow lives like oh my god, like you're bleeding. And I was like, from what? And I just had this giant rug burn on my arm. And so they clean out

Scott Benner 36:24
and you also had she had gotten her nails done that had rhinestones put on her finger. Oh, yes.

Arden Benner 36:29
And they were scratched. I was scratched the nails were scratching all over my arms. Yeah, that's the

Scott Benner 36:33
rhinestones are what scratched you when you were moving your hands. Now, why did we tell you all this as hard as leaving for college?

Arden Benner 36:40
I feel like the best part of this is that we got PJs Pancake House after

Scott Benner 36:44
and then the girls couldn't well.

Arden Benner 36:47
Let me finish the story. Yes, since since we're at one you can take it out if you're gonna but um, so yeah, this whole thing happens. We sit on the couch for a minute. And we just kind of, you know, look around. I Nadia and live like sat on the side of me and kind of like squished me in. So I just stayed where I was, um, eating my bread that you told me to eat. And then at one point, you're like, Okay, you can stop eating that it's fine. Solid, just asleep on the ground. My friends asleep on the floor again. And we're like,

Scott Benner 37:20
are you be clear, not drunk. Not

Arden Benner 37:23
high. No, no, no, we don't do any of that just to sleep on the ground because she's tired. So we started taking the bread and throwing it out or we're just trying to have fun. And then, you know, like, this whole thing happens. And you know, it's kind of hard to go back to sleep after that. So we're like, I guess we got an hour asleep today. And we all wake up our hair still like fried because we have all of this like, spraying it from like the day before. Like we didn't obviously didn't shower before we went to bed. We just took our makeup off, went to sleep. And I went, I'm okay. And not it goes off we go get some fresh air. So we went on a drive and we got the girls Starbucks or whatever. I just kind of sat there. And then we brought Saundra cake pop, but keep cake pop. But she ate and then went back to sleep after that. Just so you're all aware just to keep you updated. Um, I you know, like, took a shower and everything. We went to the Lewis house so she could shower Nadia, all them everyone showers. And then we went to PJs Pancake House. We didn't know what else to do. We weren't going to make breakfast. And we all had to eat. So we were like, okay, so we went out, we ate, we came back. And then they stayed with me that day until my parents got home because,

Scott Benner 38:37
you know, obviously, we didn't get home until 7pm. Or like at 12 hours. And Nadia

Arden Benner 38:40
was the last one there. And then her boyfriend came he got us food too, because we weren't gonna make anything.

Scott Benner 38:48
We got home and Arden was shaken. And I mean, she's at that time. Are you 17 Still at that time?

Arden Benner 38:56
Well, yeah. So when we got home, everyone kind of calmed down a little bit and started to like doze off. Like, we put like a movie on and everyone started to doze off. And I was like, I checked my phone like seven times. And I was like, okay, I can go to sleep like I'm fine. I can go to sleep. So I put my head down. But like, as soon as like, I went into like a deep sleep like I was like, and I woke up and I was like, okay, so I can't go to sleep. Um, so then I just sat there because you were nervous. I wouldn't even say like, I was sitting there and I was like, oh my god, like that just happened. I'm so nervous. I think just like, subconscious. I was like, hold like, you cannot go back to sleep. Like, just like, Wait till someone gets home.

Scott Benner 39:34
So I called you from the road. I talked to you the entire ride home. Because I just I felt so bad for not

Arden Benner 39:41
being and we told him the whole story on the way home like from our perspective, because we had settled and we were like, Oh my god. So guess what happened over here?

Scott Benner 39:48
It was crazy. But we got home and then was it it was three nights you couldn't sleep in your bed for three nights. You slept with me and mom for three nights right? Yeah, yeah. Do you know why? Like can you You'd put words to why

Arden Benner 40:02
I just couldn't fall asleep. Okay? I think I just like knew, like, Oh, he's gonna take like, he's there. He'll take care of this for like this night, blah, blah. And then the third night and I was like, Okay, what am I doing? Let me go back to bed.

Scott Benner 40:12
So at what point do you say to me? It was that night we got home. And you said to me kind of out of the blue. You didn't like, you were like, I know what happened. And I'm not worried about happening again. I know how

Arden Benner 40:26
Yeah, so this was like an odd so I feel like you talked to most kids who were my age about to go to college, 15 hours away, and they're like, I literally had a seizure four months ago, this is not going to be okay. Like, blah, blah, blah. I mean, sure, like, still in the back of my head. I'm like, Arden, you had a seizure four months ago when you were asleep. So be careful when you're asleep, like all that stuff. But I was like, I was thinking about it. I was like, none of this was my fault. Like, at all. There was nothing here. That was my problem. So I realize so it was the end of May. But like, somehow the hottest day we've ever had like that that whole year, like genuinely was probably the hottest day we've had. I was up. Let me just preface 10 o'clock is very early for Arden. So I was up pretty early. I got my makeup done. I got my hair done. I was running around doing that I came home. I did not eat anything. I got salad. Olivia I got Yeah, I got dressed. We went to go take photos. And I had a salad at my friend's house. But like barely like it was like one of those days where I was like, oh my god, like we're going to prom. Like I was like, not like not like not worried about eating. But just like I was like, couldn't eat a bunch. I was just like, Okay, let's keep going. Because we had to make it to the red carpet and blah, blah, we're moving around all day. We're moving around, it's hot outside, I'm up late, all this stuff happens. And I was just like, none of that was my fault. Like, I was like, I never say up till six o'clock in the morning. I don't even run like, I've never had this much activity in one day. I was like, and then there's adrenaline on top of that are like, like, you know, I wasn't sitting there like, prom. But you know, probably like, my body's like, okay, like, it's prom. Like, you know, you gotta look good, like all this stuff. So there's like adrenaline with all that, like jumping around all that stuff. So I was like, they're like, if this was just me, and I had had french toast sticks. And then I gave myself this insulin, it would have hit me much harder than I would have been writing about my Bolus. And I would have just went to bed. And I was like, none of this was my fault at all.

Scott Benner 42:20
The way I see it in retrospect, is that the entire day, you were probably excited. Or you had adrenaline going. Yeah. So we were looking at these amazing blood sugars for 10 or 12 hours, like 80 to like 110 at that best. And they were just they looked magical. And I thought wow, I can't believe how well you know, this is working. And you had dinner and you Bolus well, you went up a little bit 150 But you came back and you were level again.

Arden Benner 42:48
Yeah, I did everything. Even like I'm at the prom. The food selection was not like, you know, I wasn't like, you know, a resort or anything. Right? Okay, that's okay. I'm sorry, the screensaver happened again. But um, it was just like, you know, it was like a little buffet sort of thing. But it was almost like, there's so many kids in my grade that it was like, get to the buffet so you can eat. And at that point, like I wasn't even that hungry. I didn't even eat that much. I barely get I barely I had three Shirley Temples and like barely give myself insulin.

Scott Benner 43:18
Yeah. Let's see, this is the part where if I would have known that stuff, yeah, we would have set like some overrides.

Arden Benner 43:27
And I didn't know that yet. Right. I wasn't taught. Let me just let me tell you guys, this too, is the whole override thing was like making sense in my brain, like two months. So this wasn't

Scott Benner 43:41
what I'm saying. We would have just dialed back your insulin for the whole day. Yeah,

Arden Benner 43:45
I knew my dog basil. And I know what that meant. I was like, Ooh, basil.

Scott Benner 43:50
But my point is, is that the one disconnect of me not being bear is that I couldn't see how active you were. And I didn't know about the Shirley Temples. Like if you would have told, like if we would have spoken you said look, I've drank three Shirley Temples today and not really Bolus for anything. I would have said, Okay, let's do this. And, and so so

Arden Benner 44:10
I had I felt that way too. Yeah. I thought that one was gonna myself insulin for the French toast. And then I was like, Yeah, but you were like at prom. And now it's like four o'clock in the morning. Like, my like all that adrenaline was like, the only adrenaline that I had was the adrenaline keeping me awake. It wasn't like excitement. It was like I wanted to I wanted to leave at one in the morning. I was like, after that prom. I was like, I could go home and I'd be fine with this. But I did start to get low. Our bus driver, terrible bus driver, like brought us to the wrong place. We were on the bus for like an hour longer than we were supposed to be. I started to get low there too. And I was like, oh, like that's time was that. Like one maybe? And then it was like four when I ate this stuff. And I was like, three I mean, and it like it just hit me. I was like, Okay, this is over. I want to go home. I'm not excited about this anymore. or, like all this stuff. I was like, I'm not moving around. I literally sat there for like the last two hours just in a chair, like nodding off just like putting my head down. Yeah, so I had felt like the heat was gone. I didn't think like any of that was gonna affect me. Yeah. Yeah.

Scott Benner 45:13
So I think the adrenaline, the activity, the lack of sleep is a big thing.

Arden Benner 45:18
Not even just for this, but like for my brain. Yeah, I probably did not sleep for 42 hours straight after because I had trouble sleeping. That whole day, too. So if you think about it, I woke up at I had to be somewhere at 10 I woke up at nine. Then I

Scott Benner 45:36
sorry, get back to the mic. Sorry. That's

Arden Benner 45:39
stretching. Um, so I had to be somewhere at 10 woke up at nine. I got home at six got an hour asleep. woke up at seven again. And then that whole day, too. Yeah, I was awake, because I was waiting for you to get home. So I had like, no sleep.

Scott Benner 45:59
Well, anyway, there were a lot of variables. And you did a really great job with most of it, and you just didn't have it. I don't think you saw the big picture big enough. Not that it's your fault. But it just you know what I mean? Like, there were so many things happening. There was a lot of math and I don't think you got it all. Yeah, it all came together. But a couple of days later. You were eating something. And you made this like aggressive Bolus for it. And I said, like I said, that's a good Bolus. And you're like, I'm not scared of this. Like you said something like that. A couple of

Arden Benner 46:32
probably made a joke like when you think I'm scared about this now or like,

Scott Benner 46:36
but you're you don't feel scared? No. Okay. And so, what did you learn from it for school for college?

Arden Benner 46:44
That's um, I don't know just like that about the heat and all that and the adrenaline I'm moving around and I know that usually the first couple days of school my adrenaline's higher I already know that. I already know about the heat in Georgia and know about the walking and what will walk so I'm gonna Bolus later like the first couple of days on there for sure

Scott Benner 47:07
we want to be be active insulin while you're sleeping, active insulin wire. Exercising. Those are two things you want to avoid. Yeah, so we're going to try.

Arden Benner 47:19
What that means is to decrease your Basal or something, but it means don't eat too late at night. All right. I've been told that enough. But I'd like my mom

Scott Benner 47:30
to tell you. So.

Arden Benner 47:33
That's good. Oh, milk smart ice cream. Everyone. You should go by that.

Scott Benner 47:36
We told you to eat the oat milk ice cream not doing this help. Give her her proper do it? No. Really?

Arden Benner 47:43
No, because you try to like act like you'd like save my world. And I'm with the

Scott Benner 47:47
oat milk ice cream. Yeah. It was Jenny. Jenny told you. Yeah, fantastic.

Arden Benner 47:51
I'm not a part of this. I'm not affiliated.

Scott Benner 47:57
What movie is that? So incredible. Incredible. Yeah, that's great. Okay, so it really is a funny part of the movie. It's when Mr. Incredible and with the little boy's name. I'm incredibly incredibly and he's trying to like glom on to this thing. And

Arden Benner 48:13
I'm just having like, all these TV show references pop up. Now. Now I'm thinking like, Oh, you're Buffy.

Unknown Speaker 48:18
I have a Buffy Did you new girl?

Arden Benner 48:21
I was because we were talking about that in the same day.

Scott Benner 48:24
Anyway, incredibly, is trying to infer himself on Mr. Incredible and he goes, we're not affiliated. It's hilarious. I don't know why. It's just very funny. Okay, so we're going to do this together, right? Like, is that how you see College? This no different than when you're at home? We're just not going to be in the same room. As far as diabetes. Hey, Jess.

Arden Benner 48:41
And I think that there's things that you do on your end that I'm not aware of.

Scott Benner 48:46
Like, sometimes I make changes to your insulin remotely. Yeah, I've done that before.

Unknown Speaker 48:50
Yeah, yeah. Well, I

Arden Benner 48:51
feel like that's something you should probably tell me now.

Scott Benner 48:53
Yeah. Well, I think that's what I wanted to tell you is that I think that using your story about the seizure, and seeing the gaps where I didn't know things like that you ate or I didn't know that you had it, you

Arden Benner 49:06
know, like, I think, sorry to cut you off. But I think part of my problem as a person, this is an overall thing is I hate when I'm being told what to do. For example, there is a water next to me that has a powder in it. That is supposed to help my ovaries.

Scott Benner 49:22
Well, your hormones. We call it your ovary what?

Arden Benner 49:27
Oh, yeah, my ovarian water is what we call it my uterus water. But what ever, it's supposed to stop me from bleeding all over the place. Okay. When you tell me to miss this water, or to take my pills, my brain automatically says, Yes, I'll do it in 30 minutes, because I just get so pissed off. But my thing is, when it's not related to all the medical stuff, but and I'm just it's just part of my day, and it's part of my routine and I need to do it. That's fine. So maybe we could do that. A daily check ins on what we're eating for lunch. But it doesn't need to be because of the blood sugar. It could just be because I'm showing you what I need to eat. That would make it better. Like, hey, look, this is what I'm eating for lunch, not like, hey, looked at how many carbs is this? I don't want to do that. That's not that just infuriates me.

Scott Benner 50:17
Well, would it be okay, if I texted you? And asked questions? Just like, are you particularly Are you are you being like, if I looked and I saw you were like, like, lower today? If I said, Are you walking a lot? Would you say yes? Or would you be like, I'm not answering this question. But do you have to bleep that? I mean, I will have to bleep Oh, that's so boring. It's no, it's kind of fun. So you could still tell us I had a couple of times, we have to bleep it. I mean, just gonna make more work for me. Please do it. Go ahead.

Arden Benner 50:50
I know, I feel like I didn't really say it there.

Scott Benner 50:53
Well, you can mix it in like, oh, so so that's what I was just thinking like, let's take the lessons of that night from your prom. And remember, what I didn't know that would have been valuable for me to know. And what you didn't consider

Arden Benner 51:06
my sag room serum.

Scott Benner 51:08
I definitely don't know what that is.

Arden Benner 51:09
plus b squared equals c squared dad's easy.

Scott Benner 51:14
And you can take into account what you didn't give the proper weight to. And between those two things. Oh, we're gonna be okay. Well,

Arden Benner 51:21
this seems like a

Unknown Speaker 51:21
problem. No.

Arden Benner 51:23
I think you're, this is a good therapy session, your problems are probably just not knowing what to eat. And mine are just not knowing how insulin.

Scott Benner 51:34
If I knew that you Bolus at 3am. I know you said that would have changed. I know. And if I would have known you were taking in so many uncovered carbs during the day. I'm being lectured. No, no, then that would have been something I would have been valuable for me to know. Okay. And you need to remember about activity heat, lack of sleep adrenaline,

Arden Benner 51:53
all that stuff. Yeah, that was really a really good lesson for me.

Scott Benner 51:56
It was a really good lesson. I bet you don't forget it.

Arden Benner 51:59
No, I thought was a great problem. Everyone, by the way, prom was horrible. Let me just put it in there. Literally, like the most boring thing I've ever went through my, my eighth grade formal was. I was at prom. And I was like, what, what are we doing? Like, let's go home. Like, I looked good. And I got my photos. And I'm, I'm, I'm done. Like, let's go home.

Scott Benner 52:20
Yeah, it was a weird thing. They kept them out. Like literally, it was

Arden Benner 52:24
obviously for like drinking and drugs. And they didn't want us doing that. Which by the way, I've never done my life. And I would have been happy to go home and go to bed or watch something on TV. But they left which honestly felt like a safety like thing that they should not have kept us up that late. And it wasn't even like, like some kids fell asleep there. But it was almost like you fell asleep and they were like, hey, like get up like your prom. Like, no, like, let us go to bed. It's five o'clock in the morning. Alright,

Scott Benner 52:49
so it's getting late here. I want to go over two things before we go. First thing is, so everybody listening knows that you've had different troubles like with your stomach getting your periods been amassed, and everything like that. And so over the years, we've tried so many things, which I'll encapsulate in some episodes somewhere. But we really feel like we've come to some sort of a, like a breakthrough and a

Arden Benner 53:11
couple of things. I don't feel like this is a breakthrough. But I mean, you don't think of it that way.

Scott Benner 53:16
Well, that is it overall. Is that the ovary water? I didn't make it. How would I know that? So which so you're bleeding was very irregular, erratic. Right. And much longer than it should have been. So we tried birth control pills for like a year and a half. Probably

Arden Benner 53:34
yeah. Which by the way, I've been off of those for I don't even know how many months and much better yet, like thinner to get you didn't gain a lot of weight. You did not like it at

Scott Benner 53:43
all. And it did something so the note the once a month those bleed, stopped with the birth control pills. And the 11 day long periods stopped with the birth control pills.

Unknown Speaker 53:56
Right. Yeah, but definitely wasn't pregnant.

Scott Benner 53:59
And but, but it didn't like it wasn't like a cure all. It had other problems. One of them was your insulin needs went up. Yeah, sure. Yeah. Like pretty significant. Not home. Probably. Not on prom night. But but you're but yes, it did. Because on prom night, your insulin was like 1.2 an hour. And today, do you know what it is today? No, I have no idea. It's like point nine. Wow, it's a significant decrease. Your insulin sensitivity on prom night was probably like 41. And today, it was like 47. So your insulin needs are going the other way. And I think it's because you're drinking this stuff. And it's balancing your hormones out. Yes. So we have to drink Sherlock. Well, I feel like that a little bit because this was not easy. This was not easy to figure out. So you have to drink this every day. Like I had a heaping scoop of it once a day mixed in water doesn't taste like anything, right? It's not a big deal. The other stuff we figured out because you weren't like yeah The schedule. Arden was like really constipated for me. So, I mean, I'll have to bleep that out.

Unknown Speaker 55:06
Are you serious? Yeah, I think so.

Arden Benner 55:08
Oh, this Todd.

Scott Benner 55:11
But, but, you know, of all the different things that we tried, we finally got a, like a biopsy did an endoscopy, right? And they looked in there, they saw your stomach was inflamed and that you weren't like food, just get your food. Digestion was slow. And so all we ended up doing was adding a digestive enzyme to meals. And it has made like a really big difference, right? Are you yawning? It is like, yeah, it's

Arden Benner 55:42

1207. And we have to leave it five but yes, yeah, yeah. Better. Oh, sorry.

Scott Benner 55:47
We added a digest loving can say I digested enzyme to two meals. We added magnesium. Once a day and a probiotic once a day. Yes. And it's made a big difference, but not just for you and your digestion. But it's made a big difference about your boluses too. Yeah, yes. So you've been needing less insulin. And you've have not been having spikes through meals that we normally see spikes through.

Arden Benner 56:17
That would be correct. Yeah. It's pretty good answer. Amazing. Write to me. We did not add those things. We added that, That? That? pill bottle, that pill bottle, that one and that one right there.

Scott Benner 56:29
There. It's fixing a lot of problems. So I just between you and I, I don't want to bug you while you're in college. That's not true. I really don't I don't want to bug you. I just need you to do these things. Okay. I agree. That's it. Okay. So let me just go over this with you very quickly. And then I'm gonna let you go. Your Basil is super important. If your basil is wrong, everything's gonna be messed up. Just try to listen for a second. I'm definitely with my eyes closed, right? You have to Pre-Bolus your meals. Right? You have to do a reasonable carb count on things. You can't just whack ass guess everything. Okay, I'm gonna have to try to get some carb counts for

Unknown Speaker 57:08
something. I'm,

Arden Benner 57:10
I'm a great guesser. Okay, try not

Scott Benner 57:12
to have active insulin while you're while you're exercising or walking to class. Right? You don't want to have a bunch of don't walk. Okay, active insulin. We're going to try not to eat late at night. We're going to try not to make big boluses late in the evening. I think that's going to be a big help.

Arden Benner 57:30
So don't eat and don't walk.

Scott Benner 57:33
Don't walk, don't eat. Don't breathe asleep standing. Now, but that stuff makes sense. Right?

Arden Benner 57:43
Good answer. Yeah,

Scott Benner 57:44
it does make sense. Okay. So those are the things that because you have to understand that when I'm not there to see what you're doing. I can't tell you hey, are and try this or try that. Like, you know, it's so it's going to be a lot of us. Hopefully talking Do you think we'll talk by phone? FaceTime?

Arden Benner 58:01
This feels personal.

Unknown Speaker 58:02
How do you how do you think we'll do it?

Arden Benner 58:05
Maybe WhatsApp, since I'll be

Scott Benner 58:07
using it. Oh, Cassandra is going to London. Yeah.

Arden Benner 58:12
Just do a bit WhatsApp. So fun.

Scott Benner 58:16
So we're just gonna have to stay connected a little bit till we get everything settled. And then I think the biggest thing is that you can't I don't want you to living scared. But you can't also think that it's just magically going to be okay. I

Arden Benner 58:30
mean, there's other things to worry about, like a rape. You're sure you could

Scott Benner 58:33
be sexually assaulted? Yeah, sure. Are you taking your taser?

Arden Benner 58:38
Oh my God, I didn't pack my taser. Should you think I should?

Scott Benner 58:41
I mean, your cousin gave you a taser for your birthday. I don't know why you wouldn't take it away. Yeah, I'm not sure if you're allowed to have a taser by the way. Why not? It seems dangerous.

Arden Benner 58:53
Yeah, but they can't stop me.

Scott Benner 58:56
You don't think the school can't say you're not allowed to have a taser? I don't

Arden Benner 58:59
if you're walking in a city alone that you have no right over what you can have. Yeah, I guess so. If you can have pepper spray. Right. Can you have a taser?

Scott Benner 59:07
I don't know. Let's find out. Also the school was really great about setting up accommodations

Unknown Speaker 59:12
like letting you have another these people

Arden Benner 59:13
know where I'm going. Don't tell them I don't think they exactly Chicago. You can all find me in Chicago for

Scott Benner 59:23
me the Windy City. But they were nice about allowing you to have a small insulin refrigerator in your room. And they're gonna let you put supplies because your your classes are going to be kind of spread out across the city. Yeah, yeah. Yeah. So they're gonna let you put supplies in different places.

Arden Benner 59:39
We have more time i i talked about that.

Scott Benner 59:41
Yeah, well, we will how far my classes you're gonna come on the podcast while you're at school to be a good time for us to chat. I might be busy that day. No, you all go into school to be a neuroscientist. Um, no, I hate that. You can't curse. You can't curse. It just has to be bleeped out. No, but it wasn't really a curse. It was really it was harsh. Well, alright, so do you have anything you want to say? Do you know that you have the second most popular episode ever on the box? I should? Yeah. Yeah. You know, it'd be you

Arden Benner 1:00:16
can I guess? Sure. Isn't one of the people who's like founded this stuff or something.

Scott Benner 1:00:22
It was the announcement of Omni pod five. The CEO came on. Yeah, the CEO. Yes. Yeah. Yeah, that's what I just said that one has a couple 1000 more downloads and a couple of very, they're neck and neck. It's probably like their wife or something. Do you think people are gonna be like, like, so? The reason I think it's valuable to tell your story about prom night, too, is that after the shock was over, and after we examined what was done, and what we do. We didn't go backwards. And I know and I've interviewed a lot of people who have lived for years with very high a onesies because they've had a low blood sugar. They were scared and they stopped taking good care of themselves because of that. But that I was very proud of you that that didn't happen to you. So being serious. Yes, it was. Don't Don't be stupid.

Arden Benner 1:01:10
I'm not massive, but I'm being this my serious voice. No, I was

Scott Benner 1:01:13
I was really proud of you the way you bounce back from it. It was a it was a lot to handle. And, and you did a really admirable job of, of thinking it through. And then just moving on. I thought that was really great. Yes, seriously. So now you've had what? I heard what? You've had three seizures. I don't remember what you were a little baby. You were two when you had your first one.

Arden Benner 1:01:37
You know whose fault that was? That was your fault. Yeah, yeah. You've done about here. I get you guys listen to this guy.

Scott Benner 1:01:43
Yeah, Arden tried to eat Chinese food when she was two. We did not know what she was doing. That was not great. We fix that one with glucose gel on your cheek. Which by the way is what happened because those girls were squirting juice in your mouth. It was probably just being read. Do you think you were swallowing it even?

Arden Benner 1:01:57
That I have

Scott Benner 1:02:00
no other question then the second time it happened? We were in Disney when you were like four maybe I hate

Arden Benner 1:02:05
this new world. I know you don't like if any of you like this road. Guess what? I don't.

Scott Benner 1:02:10
Okay, you everybody doesn't have to like the same thing. But what you got a popsicle after a long day of activity. And I didn't know not to Bolus? Yeah, I didn't know. And we fix that with glucose shell too. I've told that story on the podcast before that was funny, because he ends up with glucose Chelek all over the ceiling of the hotel. The hotel room? Yeah. Oh, I

Unknown Speaker 1:02:29
don't know. That's, that's great. I'll tell you about.

Arden Benner 1:02:31
We all know more about me than I do. That's probably true.

Scott Benner 1:02:33
Yeah, this one was genuinely scary. Because we weren't around.

Arden Benner 1:02:38
Yeah, and because I'm gonna like an adult now. So I'm like, Oh, my God. I'm gonna die. Okay.

Scott Benner 1:02:43
You have more context. Yeah. What happened to Yeah. Well, I hope you have a great time at college. Thanks. I'll talk to boys. They're talking to boys. Don't do drugs. Don't drink

Arden Benner 1:02:59
never done drugs never drank. I drank once actually, some wine mom put on the turkey. That was it.

Scott Benner 1:03:05
So do you think much will change about who you are in college?

Arden Benner 1:03:10
No, not at all. Honestly, really? Not at all.

Scott Benner 1:03:14
Do you think Cole thinks you're gonna change? I think whole wishes I'm gonna change. Today, I felt like he was saying like, you'll see what happened. I felt like today it was a little personal. No, I felt like he was saying you'll see what happens when you go. Like he's,

Arden Benner 1:03:27
I mean, maturity, probably like Libya. But I don't think like, I'm going to change, which I'm sure a lot of people like a lot of people who are like, Oh my god, I'm never gonna do that. And blah, blah, blah. And then they end up you know, like, heroin user, but I know it was a leap. But yeah, but um, I don't I just genuinely don't give it. You took? I don't just I just don't care about any of that stuff. At all.

Scott Benner 1:03:51
I think you're gonna be fine. Yeah, and we're gonna take care of you. And yeah, just like candles, so they won't let you like candles. You'll be like, gonna do just not like candles. I can't bring the dogs either. Oh, my God. Are you gonna miss the dogs?

Unknown Speaker 1:04:06
Oh my god. Yeah. It's upsetting. Yeah,

Arden Benner 1:04:09
you guys will be fine. It's It's upsetting that they don't know why I'm gone. Like, I can't look at the dog and be like, I have to go to college. So I won't be here. It just feels like I've lost them.

Scott Benner 1:04:20
Yeah, you've abandoned them.

Arden Benner 1:04:21
Yeah. What do I say?

Scott Benner 1:04:23
There's nothing to say. Oh, they don't understand and they give you the puffy eyes when you leave. I can't do they're only puppy eyes because they're puppies. Okay. Well, I appreciate you doing this very much. Yeah, I

Arden Benner 1:04:33
have a lot of oil on my hair right now.

Scott Benner 1:04:34
Yeah, we're gonna go we're gonna go rinse your hair. Yeah. All right. And then we'll go out to take you to school. All right. Yeah. Okay.

Arden Benner 1:04:43
Thank you. If someone has listened to this all the way to the end. I'm sure they have. I feel so sorry. Why to any of the story? No one. Well, listen, I'm fantastic to listen to. But I'm saying like I'm so sorry.

Unknown Speaker 1:04:58
I don't understand why I'm Never know

Scott Benner 1:05:03
why this podcast is incredibly

Arden Benner 1:05:05
say it wasn't okay. I said personally, you know how we all said Not everyone has to like Disneyland. Not everyone's gonna like the podcast. Do you know

Scott Benner 1:05:12
I'm gonna send you episodes of the podcast while you're in college? You

Arden Benner 1:05:15
know, I'm gonna be busy. But particularly the exact time you send the episode, I'll probably get busy right then

Scott Benner 1:05:22
Well, let me say this before you go, Oh my God, you have been taking care of yourself almost exclusively for like a year now. And we've been doing that on purpose because you're getting ready to go away to college. And you've done an amazing job, like really, really good. You've kept your a one see where it's been. You know what I've done. You've been more in the low sixes over the last year than you had in the past. But you were fighting against the birth control pills, the hormone imbalance stuff, as a lot of a lot of stuff. I actually think you're gonna find it easier as we're moving forward to manage the insulin because you're doing those other things, but you did a really great job. So I'm proud of you. And I think you're going to be fine. I think if I dropped dead right now, you'd be okay. I think you'd have

Arden Benner 1:06:04
to look up dropping dead like seven times. Today.

Scott Benner 1:06:08
It's a dropping dead episode. But

Arden Benner 1:06:10
like I should you name it. Drop dead. Gorgeous.

Scott Benner 1:06:14
I think your name is going to be oh, what? What if we call it like Arden's leaving for college?

Arden Benner 1:06:18
No, that's so boring. Okay. All right. It goes to Chicago. Like the whole time we're like, what the heat down like where I'm going and all the South

Unknown Speaker 1:06:27
Georgia. Dad think we did. Crazy pupil.

Scott Benner 1:06:31
There's definitely a few crazy people listening, but but not all, most of them are really nice. Like, more than what I know. Most of the people listen to podcasts are lovely. Okay, yeah. Okay. All right. Do you have any messages of hope? Hope? First thing I imagined you didn't have?

Arden Benner 1:06:50
Um, what are my last words gonna be? You know, I already said in case there's like a fatal car accident or something like that. What do you mean? No, my last words.

Scott Benner 1:07:03
Do you know? Do you think people would know that you and I were talking the other week? And we were like, we said that? Isn't it crazy that somebody's going to leave for college and die on the way?

Arden Benner 1:07:13
Oh my god. Yeah. They live their whole life to go to college. And then they're just gonna drive there and they're gonna die. Somebody Won't somebody want me? Yeah. Or like there'll be paralyzed or just something's going to happen to someone who's going to school right now. That could be off just so you guys know. I'm not saying that. You should do this. But fair warning. You should not do this wink wink. But if you get hit by a bus that is under your colleges name, free tuition.

Scott Benner 1:07:42
You know that?

Unknown Speaker 1:07:43
I hear that on Tiktok? Um, well, yeah.

Arden Benner 1:07:48
I buzz and free tuition. And then someone said this is at every college if you get hit by one of their vehicles that the school owns you get a free tuition.

Scott Benner 1:07:58
I don't think that's a rule. I just think that's something that school does trying to get us on Tik Tok, or did I In fairness, I didn't learn about in tech. That's what I'm saying. Alright,

Arden Benner 1:08:09
1220 a, I

Unknown Speaker 1:08:10
will say goodbye.

Arden Benner 1:08:12
No, I don't do goodbyes. How about your farewells?

Scott Benner 1:08:15
Do you think you'll cry at all in the next couple of days? So we're going with driving tomorrow? And we're spending a couple of days mom and I and they moved in the neck. We're gonna move you and you're gonna be in your room, but we're gonna stay behind. Do you think I'll cry? Okay, here's what I let's do it like this. Who's gonna cry first? Yeah, that's fair. Because you've already cried, cried yesterday, in the two days ago. And we're in the grocery store. shot that I was kidding about. I cried the difference. I saw you crying my room yesterday. I cried in your room yesterday. Yeah. When we were packing, and you're sitting on my bed. I said then yeah, yeah. I'm saying let's try to get away with that. So you think I'm gonna cry first there. And then who is least likely to cry of the four of us? Coal? Probably right. I did not cry when coal left. Right. I was a comic relief when coal left. Do you wish it was a terrible story, by the way? Why? Because we're driving home. That hair is too low. Well, you can come back on until that sorry. So we're driving.

Arden Benner 1:09:18
And they're trying. And I went well, at least I'm here trying to be like funny in a way but also like, Hey, guys, like it'll be fine. And the both of them just like, look back at me. Like so. Like, you know what? Shut up. It's not Oh, no, you know, that's how it felt. And they just looked for it again and kept crying. I was like, Okay, that

Scott Benner 1:09:38
is not how we looked at you. Anyways, cold calls the least likely to cry and I'll be you mom. Will you cry? So here's my thing.

Arden Benner 1:09:47
I'm not the type of person to be like, Oh my god, like my family's gone and bought cars. Like, in my mind, I'll be home in like three months, right? Yeah, everything will be fine. But I think the only thing that makes me upset is the Dogs honestly, like, I'm being genuinely serious.

Scott Benner 1:10:03
Let's just Let's just make sure people understand. Have you ever cried in a movie? Twice? And what was it?

Arden Benner 1:10:12
Well, one of them was the Avengers. Endgame right. When Morgan asked for the cheeseburger, I cried. It wasn't even when Tony died. It was when she asked for the cheeseburger. That mean I don't even know I that made me cry. It was just very emotional to me. And I cried. I cried watching Hotel for Dogs. Why? I don't know. But you came downstairs and I was like, why am I wet? And I was like, oh my god, I'm crying. I was like, nine, two. But it wasn't even about the dogs. It was when they got because they were foster children and they get separated.

Scott Benner 1:10:48
Right when the foster kids got separated. That's when I cried. Really? Yeah, that's nice.

Arden Benner 1:10:52
I didn't cry about the dogs, which is weird.

Scott Benner 1:10:54
You don't think you're gonna cry once while we're down there.

Arden Benner 1:10:57
But like a heart like when you guys are there? Yeah. No, I don't think that's me. I don't have a lot like me. I think like maybe once you leave, and I'm like, I don't think I'll like hardcore cry. Because for me to hardcore cry, you gotta like really get the last time you cried like that. I don't know if I should tell the public about our family issues.

Scott Benner 1:11:20
But when we had a big family meeting, you cried.

Arden Benner 1:11:23
Yeah, that was tough. Yeah, let's just put, it was tough for all of us. Um, you know, it was tough. But for all of us, by the way, it was a it was a knife to the heart that meeting for each of us in our own separate ways. But, um, that was last night. Like, genuinely cried. Yeah. But like, I'm sure like, a tear will come down my I'd be like, oh, like, I missed the dogs and, oh, they're gone. But they'll probably be like, Oh, no, I'm gonna do something like a friend.

Scott Benner 1:11:54
Okay, well, it's good. I think you're gonna do great.

Arden Benner 1:11:57
I've been told that a lot. But I feel like you have to say that. So

Scott Benner 1:12:00
you think that I have to say you're gonna do but like everyone I talked to you have to be like, You're gonna do great. If I didn't think you weren't gonna do right. You don't think I would say something?

Arden Benner 1:12:09
No, I do think you would say something. I'm not talking about you.

Scott Benner 1:12:12
Do you think I've treated you any differently? Since the seizure? About going away to college? Oh,

Arden Benner 1:12:21
probably a little, like a little more. Like, I don't think you've treated me differently. But I think you've been more like, a little more pushy. Like, aren't you gotta know this, man. What? And then I'm like, yeah.

Scott Benner 1:12:35
It's weird, because it wasn't because you didn't know any. I mean, it was just such an odd situation. I three hours before it happened. I was looking at your graph, and I would have never imagined anything was gonna happen. Yeah, so it was really crazy. And having and having said that, I mean, you're 18 and the last time your blood sugar got that low. You were four. So yeah, I am 18. Yeah, yeah, you just got to wake up when you're so now it is technically legal day Tom Holland. If you day Tom, do you want to put it out there in case you in case Tom Holland hears? I think it's like your brother's a diabetic or happen to be listening. Yeah, something like that. What What was I just gonna say? I forgot what I was gonna say. It's easier to by the way interview people when you're in the same room. This is way easier than the way I do it usually. You're welcome. Thank you

Arden Benner 1:13:30
for living here. And taking all your money.

Scott Benner 1:13:33
Yeah, and everything else. Our cars are completely full of stuff. Matos Arden took enough clothes to like clothe seven girls while she's there. So yeah, I can't wait for you to come home be like, I'm not bringing this many clothes next time.

Arden Benner 1:13:48
I probably will. But you know, for now. Yeah, you got Oh, I got it all

Scott Benner 1:13:53
you got to figure it out. All right. Well, I love you. And I'm gonna have I'm gonna miss you a lot.

Arden Benner 1:13:58
That wasn't really sentimental. Because when you said that I was burping.

Scott Benner 1:14:02
Can I tell you what I really care about?

Arden Benner 1:14:05
Money? No.

Scott Benner 1:14:07
I mean, I mean about you, going away. I just want you to be as unencumbered as possible by diabetes. That's a big word is a big word. I just don't want you to have to think about it very often. And I want you to be safe. And other than that, I kind of don't care. I think I don't care what else happens. I want you to take the army to drink that water.

Arden Benner 1:14:28
It's gone, by the way, but I felt like sipping it in this microphone was probably not the best

Scott Benner 1:14:33
of what you did drink the water. Take the pills, take care of your health. Watch your blood sugar, learn about your blood. I would it would be great. If you came home three months from now and you're like, you know, I recognize that this food needed less insulin than that food.

Arden Benner 1:14:50
I'll probably I do know that about other things too.

Scott Benner 1:14:54
The funny thing about diabetes with you is you know a lot of it you can't articulate any of it. cuz I don't care. No, you do? No, like,

Arden Benner 1:15:02
I care to stay alive. Yeah, I don't care about this. No, no, I know. But like, if someone if, if I was at one of these events you go to, to talk to people. And someone came up to me and started talking to me about diabetes, I'd looked on their face and be like, I'm so sorry, I don't want to talk about this, like, you need to get away. Well, you wouldn't do that. No, I wouldn't put it that way. But But I would be like, I just I'm not gonna have a conversation about what

Scott Benner 1:15:26
I'm trying to say is that I know what you know, and I watch how you handle things. And your understanding of it far exceeds your ability to talk about it.

Arden Benner 1:15:37
I just don't like talking about this. I know, it's not like it makes me uncomfortable. I'm not even like that. I'm bored by it. But like, I feel like a lot of people get this disease and they get wrapped into it. And I think it's good that people listen to this and join communities to you know, figure it out. But on my end, like I haven't figured out and I'm not like a like, if I don't have to talk to people. I will do that. You know what I mean?

Scott Benner 1:16:03
So I understand everything you're saying, but you're missing my point.

Arden Benner 1:16:07
I'm not missing your point. I know what you're saying. And I don't know how to articulate it. Apparently,

Scott Benner 1:16:11
you're not good at explaining what you know about diabetes. But you are good explaining what you know about other things. Like what? I don't know, you're like, we have many lovely conversations about things where I don't feel like you struggle to put into words what you're trying to say. But you know how to do diabetes, you don't know how to talk about it. Which is fine. I don't think that matters.

Arden Benner 1:16:34
I think it's because I don't enjoy talking about this. No, no,

Scott Benner 1:16:37
I see that. Yeah, I'm very good at talking about oh, who are you? I am thanks for telling. But I don't even know why. Because it's a lot of technical stuff. You love talking here, but I could talk about anything. Yeah, that's fine. Just said, but this shouldn't be a thing. I'm good at. Like, based on my personality.

Arden Benner 1:16:56
All this feels like it's about you. Now if this was my episode, okay. Just make your own episode, if you want to talk about your dad. Okay, I'll do that.

Scott Benner 1:17:04
I'll interview you. Well, you Yeah. Okay. We'll do that next time. But you have to make the questions. That's a moderator, not an interviewer, then I'll moderate. So you want me to ask myself questions that you'll read to me. They don't need to know that. Don't think they need you in that scenario. What if we let people ask you questions? No, you don't want to do a q&a? No. Do you think you would come on the podcast while you're away at school? No. Well, thanks.

Arden Benner 1:17:35
That was my polite voice.

Scott Benner 1:17:36
All right. Say goodbye to people. No. Thank you. All right. I'll talk to you later. I mean, like, as soon as I push pause. Well, usually when I'm done talking to people, I'm like, Well, I really appreciate you doing this. And then I'm not going to see them again after I push the button. So I'm saying thank you for coming on the podcast.

Arden Benner 1:17:56
Oh, to me. You're talking to me. Yeah. I'm

Scott Benner 1:17:57
telling you. You were not looking at me. I was very, I was getting ready to click on some Oh,

Arden Benner 1:18:02
I thought you were talking to like your your listeners.

Scott Benner 1:18:04
I appreciate you doing this with me. Yes. Okay.

Unknown Speaker 1:18:11
I can we can say You're welcome. Thank you. You're welcome. Excellent. This has been fun.

Arden Benner 1:18:18
Well, it would have been fun four hours ago

Scott Benner 1:18:20
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Podcast just a couple of hours after this was recorded, we got in the car and drove Arden all the way to her new College in Chicago, right? In Georgia, and she's doing terrific. She's been there for a week today. And she's having a great time I made some terrific friends already. her roommates are fantastic. And we sat at a lunch last weekend and explained diabetes to all of them, showed them how to use Chivo Capo pen explained the insulin pump and everything that Arden does. We got all their phone numbers and everything's been going really well actually. Don't worry about it and she's doing terrific. But I wanted to point out that when we started this recording, I really didn't think we were going to talk about this Not because, you know, we're hiding it, but we just sat down to talk about management stuff. And then, I mean, you heard at the beginning of art and just got very honest and, and started telling her story. And so my hope for you, after hearing this story, I mean, really the takeaway I want you to have is one of resilience. I want you to remember that something scary happened. And it didn't change how Arden takes care of herself. Right? We understand, maybe more what happened that day, and we'll be able to protect against it in the future. But she saw it for what it was. And she didn't let it stop her from wanting to take good care of herself. As a matter of fact, as I'm sitting here, I just opened up Nightscout, which if you use loop, you know what that is. And I see that Arden just Bolus for dinner. 70 carbs. So her blood sugar is 104 She Bolus she's out there living her life. I think I've interviewed one too many adults with type one who have had a scary low and they let it they let it impact how they take care of themselves for years afterwards. And it really was my biggest fear after Arden safety was clearly you know, locked down after this whole thing. My first and biggest fear was that she might be scared to take good care of herself after this. And I'm just very grateful that she wasn't and I hope that you can take some of the some of the bravery some of Arden's attitude and keep it for yourself. Because every day with diabetes isn't gonna go the way you want. But you have to you have to dust yourself off and keep going. I'm very proud of her. I hope you enjoyed this conversation. I'll be back very soon with another episode of The Juicebox Podcast.