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Scott Benner 0:00
Hello friends, and welcome to episode 699 of the Juicebox Podcast

I recorded this episode many months ago and enjoy the conversation thoroughly. Just recently, I put an edit on the show taken out the noises and stuff like that putting in the ads, etc. Enjoyed it again. And yet I have no idea how to explain it to you. So I'm just going to tell you that this is Carly, she has type one diabetes, and I think you're gonna love this episode. While you're listening, please remember that nothing you hear on the Juicebox Podcast should be considered advice, medical or otherwise, always consult a physician before making any changes to your health care plan, or becoming bold with insulin. If you're a US resident who has type one diabetes, or is the caregiver of someone with type one, I really hope you'll go to T one D exchange.org. Ford slash juicebox. Join the registry. Take the survey the survey is very short. It will be easy to do. And your answers help people living with type one diabetes. It's absolutely anonymous and completely HIPAA compliant. T one D exchange.org. Forward slash Juicebox.

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Carlie 2:31
Hi, my name is Carly. I'm 25 years old and I'm from Ontario, Canada. And I've been a type one diabetic since 2003. I was six years old and I was diagnosed. So I've been a diabetic for over 18 years now.

Scott Benner 2:44
Wow. It's like 1617 years ago.

Carlie 2:48
Yeah, I'm I'm bad at math too. Every time I listen to you talk about math on the podcast. I'm like, you know, I can relate.

Scott Benner 2:54
We can do it together. Hold on 2003 I would add 10 to that to make it 2013 If you had another 10 you go past where you are now. So maybe yeah, it's 18 years.

Carlie 3:05
Yeah, I think it is 18 years ago.

Scott Benner 3:08
Yeah. Math is easy.

Carlie 3:11
I'm so bad at math.

Scott Benner 3:13
There are some things that pop into my head immediately and others that don't. And I've long since stopped wondering why that is not slowing me down anymore. Okay, so you're only 25? That seems young. Yeah. That's yeah. You don't feel young do.

Carlie 3:31
So I joke around with my friends a lot. I always go until old and I like you're not old. You're 25 And I'm like, But why did my back hurt already? You know, like I am achy.

Scott Benner 3:41
Who are your friends? How old are your friends?

Carlie 3:43
Oh, my friends are the same age as me. I have some friends that are older. My my now husband I got married last month. He's older than me. He's He's 32. So I guess I can't complain that I'm old when he's seven years older than me.

Scott Benner 3:57
Where did you meet him in the pharmacy looking for something to rub on your back?

Carlie 4:02
No, not even kind of weird. I we both worked at a movie theater. And he was actually my manager. So I met him to the movie theater and yeah, we've been together.

Scott Benner 4:16
Your movie theater people.

Carlie 4:18
Yeah. Popping the popcorn, watching the movies.

Scott Benner 4:23
My wife is a movie theater person.

Carlie 4:26
Oh, really? I didn't know that. That's cool. Oh, no. Hey,

Scott Benner 4:29
friends. I had friends that worked at a movie theater. I got my brother, a job at the movie theater. And then the summers you'd kind of hang out there in the lobby when they weren't working. And then one day one of the managers came back from some like Island vacation with their hair braided and very tan and I made a clear decision in my mind to have sex with that person and now she is downstairs in my dining room working on stuff

Carlie 5:00
But I love that too. Because it's funny that you say that you're friends with the people that work in the theater. Because, like, all of my close, like most of my very close friends now are all people that I worked with, or people that I worked with, and their friends. Like, it's like a big circle of friends. And we're all super close, even though the majority of us don't even work at the movie theater anymore. So

Scott Benner 5:24
from when I'm young, from when I was that young that I still see socially, are all people who worked at that movie theater.

Carlie 5:31
I think I think like cool people were that movie did. And that might be just saying that because I work there. But

Scott Benner 5:37
I'm not certain that my friends are cool, but I think one listens to this. And I mean, I think oh, no, I think he knows he's not cool, you know?

Carlie 5:48
Yeah, that's true. I should I shouldn't be boasting that I'm cool. I'm really not cool. Yeah.

Scott Benner 5:52
Well, okay, so now all this fun talk about movie theaters. And my little trip down memory lane just now with my wife. Leaves me forgetting how old you were when you were diagnosed? Wait, hold on, let's 18 years ago. I don't know how old

Carlie 6:08
I was six. Around six, I think Yeah. Six. All right.

Scott Benner 6:11
Fair enough. Ontario, is that does that experience differ greatly or not differ from what you hear people talk about from American other places?

Carlie 6:25
What do you mean, sorry,

Scott Benner 6:26
but like, like your experience being diagnosed, was it Oh,

Carlie 6:32
it is similar. Because I kind of went through the same kind of I hear like, commonly where it's like, it's very misdiagnosed. And I kind of went through that to where I had all these symptoms. And my parents, like, took me to the pediatrician. And, like, even at one point, my parents would say, like, we did some research, we think it might be diabetes, and they're like, No, it's probably strep throat, let's do a throat culture. And they flogged my throat. And they're like, well, she probably just has a virus. And so it got to the point where I was very sick at the end of it before my diagnosis. So I don't know, I think I think they're definitely I'm hoping like nowadays, it's a lot more known. But yeah, I kind of went through that with my diagnosis where it was, it took a lot for a long time to get to to, oh, this is what it is.

Scott Benner 7:18
20 years ago doing research in Ontario, which is your mom pulled together a consortium of a moose a beaver and like an otter, and they talk to them over on a snowmobile trying to find I.

Carlie 7:29
That's funny. I actually think about that a lot. Because I just wonder, like, I looked up stuff. I'm like, What did you use? Like, was Google a thing in 2003? I don't, I don't even know because I was sick. But I know at one point like before my diagnosis, they actually called, like a diet like a like a, like a nurse hotline. Like, like the weekend that I went to the clinic to get like a blood test. And like they call the hotline when nurse on the hotline told my dad like, oh, you can figure in tomorrow, like there's a snowstorm. So don't go today. Go tomorrow. My mom was like, sorry,

Scott Benner 8:03
did your mom like push back?

Carlie 8:05
Oh, yeah. My mom was like, No, I'm taking her today. Because the thing that drove her to take me in was that I was six and my brother was like a baby at the time. So she lifted me over his baby gate. And like, I was so weak that like, my eyes kind of rolled back into my head. And she was like, Okay, no, we're not waiting till tomorrow. I'm going right now. No, we're not.

Scott Benner 8:24
Did she yell at your father? Oh, this one's gonna die.

Carlie 8:31
Yeah, that's exactly what we sound like. I wouldn't be surprised if I say that at some point.

Scott Benner 8:36
By the way, I got Google as officially launching in 1998.

Carlie 8:40
Okay, okay, so Google has been around, but I wonder you gotta wonder like, how, what kind of how many search options are there back then? Like, definitely not as many as

Scott Benner 8:50
I think to search for. And that's exactly what I ran into the same problem in 2000. Oh, gosh. 2006 When Arden was diagnosed, like we googled like signs and symptoms of type one diabetes and barely got a return. So you know, by the way up, we're gonna get off this right now. But um, Google Incorporated was officially launched in 1998 by Larry Page and Sergey Brin to market Google Search, which has become the most used blah, blah, blah. Hold on Larry Page and Sergey Brin students at Stanford University developed a search algorithm first known as back rub in 1996, with the help of Scott Hassan and Alan Sternberg, back row,

Carlie 9:31
you imagine it sounds like you imagine No, man, could you imagine if it was so called background? I'm gonna backroad that.

Scott Benner 9:40
I'm thinking they're just for creepy. Lonely guys at Stanford are like, Oh, what do I want most in the world? I was like a girl to touch my back. Excellent. Thank you thinking.

Carlie 9:50
I think you're probably right.

Scott Benner 9:53
Whatever happens to us call it that. Okay, so you don't do it. I remember much from your diagnosis, because you have Ireland. But I want to hear about this a little.

Carlie 10:05
Yeah, I actually do have quite like I have like pieces that I remember I was I ended up staying in the hospital, I think for like five days. So I was there for a while. And I remember like bits and pieces of it. I remember I have a weird memory of like, like, right after I got diagnosed, like in the clinic, it was like an urgent care my, my mom was like, Okay, let's go to the dollar store and get some stuff to bring to the hospital. And she like took me to the dollar store that was next door and bought some like coloring books and crayons and all that stuff. And then my dad on the way to the hospital, he drove me and he looked at me and he said something along the lines of I don't think you're gonna be able to eat any sugar anymore. And I was like, what? Like, what, like, what does that mean? Like, I don't want to? Yeah, he was like, this is where diabetes is, you're not gonna be able to eat sugar anymore. And, you know, thank God, that's not true, but. And yeah, just some other like pieces along the way. I remember one moment, I actually wrote a story when I was in high school creative writing class about it. And I got it published on beyond type one, two, which is cool, because I submitted it to them. But it was a story about the moment my mom gave me my first like insulin injection in the hospital. And it was like a really emotional moment for both my mom and I. But I think the funniest part about it, because I titled it when I was in writers craft, our creative writing class, I titled it, I need a cigarette because the nurse who like witnessed it all, like it was a very, like, emotional moment between her and I, the nurse, like, had to walk away and she was like, I need a cigarette. And she took her cigarette after this moment that my mom had to give me my first injection. So that's a moment that stands out. But yeah, like, overall, I remember like, feeling really, really sick up until my diagnosis. I had some like random viruses that happened before like the week before, too. So like, I had a really bad ear infection. And then I had a random full body rash. And then like I just remember feeling so sick, but I didn't want to tell my parents that I felt sick. Because I was petrified of doctors and needles and all that stuff. So I like kept it to myself. And I remember like hearing my parents being super concerned and still not bringing it up to them.

Scott Benner 12:19
I thought you were gonna say that you were afraid they would feed you to the sled dogs if they knew you.

Carlie 12:25
Yeah, that's true. They live in our backyard and we're hungry.

Scott Benner 12:28
Mommy, your father's just worried you can't like she can't suck on the tap and the maple tree anymore. You know like it's just you're painting a picture of a place that I don't know how anyone lives there is it is frozen tundra. Just be honest with frost No, can't find the

Carlie 12:43
roads. You know what is funny is that I live in the southernmost part of Ontario. So it's like, like people thought like the armpit of Canada because it's really humid here.

Scott Benner 12:54
I have to be honest with you under perjury of death. I couldn't point out Ontario on a map.

Carlie 12:59
That's so funny. Oh my gosh, we like like, I don't know, like I we border the states. I live on a border city. So like, we're very Americanized, I feel to because of that. So like I go to a lot of like concerts and not recently, obviously. But

Scott Benner 13:15
yeah, here's what I know. Vancouver, Seattle, Toronto. Like New York ish. Yukon top, middle. Everything else? I have no idea about. Yeah, come on. Tell me what you know about America. Where's Montana? Quick? You have no idea?

Carlie 13:36
Yeah, somewhere in the middle somewhere. Right, by the way? No, I don't think it is either. Maybe from the west on the left. I don't know.

Scott Benner 13:46
What do you cartographer All right. I don't know. So your note to me is is specific. And I don't know where to start. So I'm gonna start with let's see. It really is kind of thorough. I'm reading which is of course, yeah, very exciting for everybody. But I think that I want to start with the first time you felt burned out? And what that felt like, Oh,

Carlie 14:17
yeah. Um, I kind of like I kind of like, the way I think about burnout for me is that it's almost like cyclic or cyclical, like I have gone through moments in time. Where, like, I get really motivated to take care of myself. And then I then I like, get into it for like, a month or two. And then I had stopped and then like, year, a year or two passed, and I'm like, Oh, I gotta I gotta get on this again. And then I get back into it. But for burn over me, I think, Oh, I think the moment that let it really like I started to notice like a change in my care was, I guess I should start with when I was in grade eight. I didn't do my own insulin injections until I was in eighth grade. I had a lot of anxiety around that. So my parents did it. So like, I'm talking like, my dad would like, come at night when I went to a sleepover to do my long lasting, and then he'd be back there in the morning at my friend's house to do my breakfast info. And then like, I went home for lunch every day at school, so I didn't do my own insulin injections. So when I finally got that independence, where I was able to do it on my own, just before I went to high school, I think my parents kind of were like, she's got this, like, we don't need to do anything anymore. And I don't blame them for that at all. Because I did need that independence. But I think I took it on a little too quickly, like, not as prepared as I thought I was. So when I got into high school, like diabetes kind of went on the on the back burner for me, so that I would say high school was one of the burnout kind of started where I just stopped paying as close attention to it as I used to. And then I don't know, like,

Scott Benner 15:54
let me understand. So. Yeah, you you didn't give yourself any injections from the time you were six until you were like 14.

Carlie 16:02
No, I was Yeah, I think I was like 13 When I did my first injection, and I didn't do any of them by myself. Because I when I tell you I had thought I had some bad anxiety like I was on. I was like diagnosed with an anxiety disorder. I was on medication and stuff like that throughout grade school. But I had like very severe anxiety about not even just about like, me not doing it but like nobody, except for my mom and dad could ever do it like so like we didn't have I didn't have a nurse in my grade school. So that's why I went home for lunch every day. I live close to my grade school. My mom was a stay at home mom. All right,

Scott Benner 16:32
tell me what tell me what that felt like, if the idea of someone other than your mom or dad giving you a an injection. Like, you can just say I had anxiety, but tell me what that meant. Like, yeah, if I was coming at you, and you were 11 years old, and I was like, Hey, I'm Scott, I'm gonna give you your shot right now. Would you? Like would you shoot me? Would you rather fight me? Like what was your level of? Would you just cry fall on the floor? What would happen?

Carlie 16:59
I'm probably like, panic would set in anybody like any of my close family members. Now there's two. So like, when I ever had to get like a flu shot, or like any kind of vaccination or stuff like that, when I was younger, too. It wasn't a big ordeal. Like I my parents would have to, like, drag me to the doctor, like I would crawl onto the walls. But I think I just had a lot of anxiety about I don't know, like about like, it was just like so much fear. Like it was gonna go wrong if somebody else did it or like if if it wasn't somebody that I knew, very, like, if it wasn't my mom, or my dad, who I knew had been there for me, like since day one and knew everything about it. And who knew me who I was like, it was just going to be horrible. Even though I knew like, I know that now. That's not true. But it was like, such a real feel for me. Did you?

Scott Benner 17:47
I'm sorry. Did you have any anxiety around anything else?

Carlie 17:54
Yeah, a lot. Um, yeah. Like I, when I was in the fifth grade was one at all the anxiety kind of like, started. And I think this is really strange. I don't know what it's called. When someone has a fear of getting sick. I can't really name for it. Like, um, I don't know how to, I don't want to say it. But okay, I kid got sick in my grade school and, and I suddenly became, it became like, a real fear to get sick at school, like just throw up at school, and then not Tailspin into a whole bunch of other stuff. And then I just became afraid of going to school in general. So my anxiety like took over at that point, and like, I missed, like a month of school. Because of this fear. If I then I wouldn't wasn't eating in the morning, and my parents were like, you kind of have to eat you have diabetes. And I was like, Well, I don't want it because what if I get sick? And yeah, it was just like a, that was another point of anxiety in my life, I guess that I had. I don't know why I'm sharing all of this. I'm like, why am I talking about this?

Scott Benner 18:52
People told me they told me things that they don't mean to so. Is it as it knows a phobia? NASA phobia?

Carlie 19:02
Oh, maybe? I don't know. Maybe I'm getting the the name wrong. That could be it. But yeah, I just Yeah, I don't know why that became like a fear of mine. And then. Yeah, which is? Are you an anxious child? Maybe? Is it firstborn syndrome? Aren't firstborn children? The most anxious?

Scott Benner 19:18
I don't know. Are you still anxious?

Carlie 19:22
Yeah, but I have more control right now. Like I've learned. I'm not on medication or anything like that. If that's what you're if that was you mean, but no, like, I mean, in general, I am an interest.

Scott Benner 19:36
Do you think you're only 25? So you don't really know any? Yeah. So asking you this question is going to be maybe not helpful, but let's ask it anyway. Yeah, I think there's something where your parents young parents.

Unknown Speaker 19:48
Well, that's the one no, okay.

Scott Benner 19:51
But they were interested in in helping, but the minute that you were like, I can do this and Jack And myself, were they just out? Like, did you never talk to them again about diabetes at the beginning of high school when they were like, oh my god, Carly gave herself an injection. Thank God, we can go back to doing the things we like, Was it like that? Or were they were they still involved?

Carlie 20:14
Um, like, my dad was the one that kind of took me to like, endocrinologist appointments and things like that. So he was involved in that way. But then when I became old enough to take myself with a doctor, yeah, I kind of just overall didn't really involve them much in it anymore. Like, occasionally they'd be like, they'd check in on me and be like, like, how's it like, how are you doing? And again, like, I don't place any blame on them for that, because I never once vocalized that I was struggling at any point either. Like, I like, I don't know, I, yeah, it's just, I feel like I got that independence. And I was excited about it too, at the time, and they obviously were excited for me, because you're like, Oh, my God, she's gonna be able to do so much now. On her own, like, she can go places, you can go on trips with her friend and do things now. We don't need to be by her side anymore. But then it was just like, Oh, God, like now I have to like, I don't even know why. But doing my own injection puts so much more like stress onto me. But like, yeah, it eventually just became like, Okay, I don't have to, with my parents not there beside me doing it anymore. I don't have to pay as close attention, I guess, as I did in the

Scott Benner 21:18
past. Okay. So we're not denigrating your parents. I'm just asking questions. Oh, no. Yeah. But um, let me be clear, like you went to doctor's appointments for your type one, right? How frequently Yeah.

Carlie 21:30
Oh, yeah. Like when I was in high school, I guess I would go like the like, the, I don't know what they recommended that every three months, every six months, I was doing that. And then like, when I went to my center going on my own, I would be so anxious that I didn't want to go because I knew I wasn't taking good care of myself as I was in the past. Yeah. So when I was a kid, though, like my, like, my dad went to all the appointments, and my agencies were like, right on target. And like, everything was great. And then it went, it was left into my hands more. So I was just kind of like, Oh, God, I'm slipping up. And I don't want them to know that I'm slipping up. And so I didn't go as often.

Scott Benner 22:04
And you didn't tell them. But they didn't. They didn't ask either.

Carlie 22:08
No, I think it was I think it was kind of like, don't ask, and I don't have to worry about it, even if you like it was almost like that kind of relationship or was like I didn't want to worry them with my personal struggles with diabetes, because they had taken care of me for so long. And I didn't want to put more on to them. And they didn't ask because I think like my mom is a very anxious person too. So I didn't want to make her more anxious about my health, even though I was struggling, so it was kind of like a, like, you know, plug your ears and we'll just pretend.

Scott Benner 22:38
How do you imagine now? Like, do you just talk yourself out of it? Are you smoking a lot of weed? What are you doing? Exactly.

Carlie 22:45
Um, this year has been life changing for me. I, I think I mentioned it in my email to you. But like, in January of this year, I finally was like, I need to get a new endocrinologist because I didn't have a great relationship with my last one. And then I need to, like, get my onesie done. It's been like a year and a half since I had had my previous agency. And I just want to like, get my life in check. Because, you know, I got married last month, and I wanted to, like, get my life together before I like even thought about ever, you know, like starting a family. And now I have a husband and I want to be there for him and that sort of thing. So my ANC in January was 10.6. And that was like the highest recorded one I can think of, I can think back on anyways. And I was like, Okay, I need to make serious changes now. And so I started I had had an Instagram account, but I really reactivated my Instagram account became more active in the community in that way. And then I like for the first time because like, up until January of this year, I had never even I had been doing injections and regular finger picking like I didn't have any technology never had tried a CGM or a pump, nothing like that. So yeah, like I'm now like my last Awan fee was in September, and it was 6.9%. So like, I really turned myself around, and I'm still trying my best to, you know, make changes because I want to be healthy. And

Scott Benner 24:06
what was the what's the difference between a 10 and a SIX? I mean, at a 10? Are you just like counting cars, giving yourself some insulin and never checking again?

Carlie 24:16
Oh, yeah, yeah. Yeah. So like when I was at 10 Point, like, like, like, up until I got that anyone to talk? I have no to like kind of describing like, I would basically. I remember, I knew it was really bad when I had like, when to check my finger. And then I looked back on the last time I had checked my finger and it was like two weeks prior. And I was like, wow, I haven't checked in a long time. Why did I just stop checking? Because the thought of checking my finger and seeing like bad results was so daunting to me that I was like, I'm just not gonna check and I'll just go off how I'm feeling. So I had gotten so used to feeling like absolute trash that it became normal. Yeah, that was just living and Like when I didn't really carb count either. I feel like whenever I ate something, it was like, this is probably worth seven units worth of insulin and then I would just do it and then the only thing I did make sure I do I would do is before bed. I would if I was feeling off in any way I would, I would check. And then I would do my long lasting because I had this fear. Like if I go so high, I may be able to die in my sleep and then my parents would find me and then they would never know that I was struggling this badly. Or you know what I mean? Like I was pretty dark thoughts.

Scott Benner 25:31
Currently Hold on? Yes, yes. Yes. Stop for a second. Okay. We're gonna we're gonna stop talking about diabetes for a second. Okay. Are you okay?

Carlie 25:45
I swear, like, I'm so much better than I was years prior to this. Like this has been the best year for me.

Scott Benner 25:52
I'm glad about that. Oh, that's personally, I'm saying. Can you tell me are there other things you worry about? That aren't reasonable to worry about?

Carlie 26:04
Oh, yeah. But But

Scott Benner 26:08
yeah, what are some of them?

Carlie 26:12
I want to get into it. It's just like I have I have a rational fears.

Scott Benner 26:15
Okay, I want to hear

Carlie 26:19
like and then dark got like I've never really like disposes to people like except for my close friends and Curtis but okay, Curtis is my husband by the way. What I have a couple of irrational fears. And I have like reoccurring nightmares about them. Sometimes. I think I should get a therapist got

Scott Benner 26:37
top three irrational fears. And I'll tell you my three top irrational fears. Okay. Okay. Okay. No, back and forth. You do one and I'll do okay.

Carlie 26:46
Okay. Number one, my biggest fear is somehow being involved in a mass shooting, like finding myself in a situation where I'm someone just shooting up the place. I Yeah,

Scott Benner 27:00
hold on. Just relax. Are you okay? Relax. Just take a big deep breath and hold it for five seconds. No, no. Oh, I'll do it with you. We're ready. All right. Relax. I'm gonna do that a couple times a day. Now my here's one of my irrational fears. Okay. Okay. I don't want to be eaten by a shark.

Carlie 27:23
That's, that's a valid

Scott Benner 27:25
No, no. Here's the funny thing. I don't go in the ocean. Do you know why I have an irrational fear about this? No, I'm gonna tell you, my parents who were terrible parents, okay. And I don't care if they hear this or not. Watch jaws in a movie theater when I was five.

Carlie 27:47
Right? That's a little right.

Scott Benner 27:49
So now I'm and if you said to me, Scott, what are you really worried about? I'd say to you, I'm being eaten by a shark. And you'd say, do you go in the ocean frequently? And I go? No, I don't. So now, let me say to you that that despite how it feels when there's media coverage, there are not a great deal of mass shootings in Canada.

Carlie 28:14
There's literally not.

Scott Benner 28:17
Don't shoot each other. As a matter of course. You know that right? Yeah. Yeah. What they do? They're very stabby.

Carlie 28:26
Oh, yeah, we do. Yeah. There's a bit of that going on.

Scott Benner 28:29
I know. I know. But you don't have any fears about being stabbed? I don't. Scarier than nice to me. I don't know why you tell me why I shouldn't be afraid of shark death.

Carlie 28:42
Why you shouldn't be afraid of sharks.

Scott Benner 28:44
Yeah. Tell me I want you to talk me out of being concerned about being eaten by a shark.

Carlie 28:49
Okay. I don't think you should be afraid of being eaten by a shark because you don't put yourself in a place where sharks live. And the only other place for sharks are or maybe aquarium and you don't go to aquariums either. And you just never run into a shark. So you're going to be totally fine.

Scott Benner 29:07
Let me tell you something I know about those sharks in the aquarium. They're fed so well. That if I jumped in there and rub my ass on their face, they wouldn't bite me. Because they let them swim with other animals and they don't want the shark getting peckish and eaten a bluefin tuna. You understand? So the end you can't get to the top of where you can get into the tanks when you're at the aquarium anyway, now you've done a good job for me. Thank you. I am going to try harder not to worry about being eaten by a shark. Now, okay. Have you ever witnessed that mass shooting?

Carlie 29:41
No, I haven't. And I don't know where the fear came from. But it's Yeah.

Scott Benner 29:48
The Don't Don't worry about where it came from. I want to know how we're going to get rid of it. Because you seem to me like you were worried about so many things that you can You focus on the things you actually should be worried about.

Carlie 30:03
Right? Okay. That's very true.

Scott Benner 30:06
Trust me now. Good. You go tell me your next one.

Carlie 30:10
Okay, what's another one? Um, I think like just people. I love dying at any point in time. Like, an any phone call. Like if my dad calls me while I'm at work. I'm like, someone's dead. Someone's dead. I pick it up. I'm like, who's dead? That's that's my, into my brain goes.

Scott Benner 30:29
I'm gonna ask you a question. Did anyone around you when you were growing up? act that way?

Carlie 30:37
What do you mean? Like anxious?

Scott Benner 30:38
Like, after nine was your mom like, Oh my God, my mom's dead and jump up and grab the phone.

Carlie 30:47
Yeah, my I will. You know, it sounds like I am anxious because of my mom. My mom is is a ball of anxiety. So I know that I get it from her. Like she was the one that like when I was a kid. Like if we went we walked to school, she would be like, have a great day at school. If someone tries to pick you up in the trunk. This is what you're going to do. And like so then all the time organist was like who's going to help you prepare to at any given moment to fight off a stranger who's going to put me in their car?

Scott Benner 31:14
I don't want to laugh at you. So I'm gonna stop laughing. But every day.

Carlie 31:20
Not every day, but like she would she would make me like to like a scared of okay, I'll tell you another one. I have a very irrational fear of bees, Scott. I love insects and animals I have. I am so afraid of bees, like wasps and things like that. When I was a kid, my mom is afraid of them, too. She acts the same way as I do. If one comes near her, like where you're like,

Scott Benner 31:41
stop you. Yeah, I think you act the way she acts.

Carlie 31:45
I do. Implemented I am the way I am because of her. Okay, how cool?

Scott Benner 31:50
No, she probably owes you reparations. But we'll get to that in a second. We'll take them as co pays for your therapy that I'm pretty sure we're gonna send you to so because I think a lot of your issues aren't aren't necessary, Lee. I don't think you're necessarily stuck with them. Because as crazy as this sounds, I don't think you're actually a very anxious person. I just think you have a lot of rules in your head that you're following. Oh, do you see what I'm saying? Because, well, because earlier you said I have it under control better. Which to me means I married a guy who's not Looney skip Rooney. And because he's not constantly worried about things, I'm able to relax and quiet the voices in my head that tells me that everyone's going to drag me into a car and kill me.

Carlie 32:43
This is a podcast or a therapy session because it feels like a therapy session and I'm not not about it.

Scott Benner 32:49
Well partly Listen, at some point when we're 25 minutes into it. And I'm thinking this poor girl, I've got the next 45 minutes to save her life and then she's headed back up to Saskatchewan or wherever the hell she's from. Okay, and and then she's gonna just die in a ball of anxiety. There's like a you there was a moment 15 minutes into this where I thought someone just needs to give you a good bracing slap across the head. And then grab you by the shoulders and shaking go currently currently calling stop. Oh my God, I know, we don't legally do that to people anymore. Although in the 50s it happened all the time. Man, women would just slap each other to stop themselves. I don't know if that was just in the movies I saw or what? But I liked the idea. But we're gonna do it this way through conversation. Is that because you're not allowed to hit people anymore, Carly, it's 2021. Okay, so, so since we can't hit you, which I don't think would work anyway, I'm teasing. I just want to I want you to ask me my next irrational fear.

Carlie 33:53
Scott, what's your next irrational fear?

Scott Benner 33:55
I don't have any more. Oh, just a shark. Yeah, that's the only thing that my parents did to me that I have an irrational fear about.

Carlie 34:04
Like you're doing pretty well. Now. I'll

Scott Benner 34:06
give you another irrational fear that I have. That doesn't come from my parents. Okay. I think no, I don't think I used to think I don't think that's wrong. I used to feel when I was younger, that if we're if there was conflict in a family, it meant that the family was going to fall apart. And I don't think I had it in me to start over again, because I'm adopted. And then my adopted family got divorced when I was 13. And so what I knew was that people, when they find conflict in their life, give people away. And then I knew that when people had conflict, some they didn't work it out. They just ran in different directions. And so if people had conflict, it didn't matter what level of conflict I, when I was younger, I felt like that was going to be the dissolution of our knowing of each other. And it panicked me. And then I would work very, very hard, usually in ways that weren't valuable to try to calm everybody down and keep them together. And you know what I've learned since then? That my adoption, and my parents divorce, have literally nothing to do with what may or may not happen in my life. It's meaningless. Yeah, it's the way my wife and I handle conflict isn't the way my parents did. So I was literally worried about nothing. And all I had to do was let go of it. You give it voice. This is gonna sound very Hocus Pocus, he Okay, Carly. But I have a lot of, okay, you give it voice, which means you say it out loud. And then you stop worrying about it. And that's it. Right. By the way. Do you know what else? I'm gonna sound crazy for a second? You ever read a book called? Mind Over back pain? No, okay. Well, I think it's possible that if you four or five times a day, quietly in your mind, not out loud, told yourself. I'm a young healthy person. And there is nothing wrong with my back. It would stop hurting.

Carlie 36:30
Okay, like the power of your brain? can control

Scott Benner 36:33
that? Yes. Here's what if you go to work, you have a job, right? Yeah, you go to work and you do whatever, you're skinning something or I don't know, extracting oil from something or whatever you do. And, and you have a terrible day, bad day. And you come home at the end of the day with a headache, right? Do you think your brain is broken? No. Okay, when you have a terrible day and you come home and your back hurts? Do you think you're old and your back hurts and you have problems? Maybe now, now we'll move on to your next and third and last irrational fear. What does it mean told you my adoption thing?

Carlie 37:18
Right. What I had to think about the first thing I think most of my irrational fears are just like things that I know are not going to happen. But they seem so real. I think I think just like, do like I'm afraid that like, there's gonna be a terrorist attack where I live in the hole. It's just Bob. That's what I fear do like I fear, like, really traumatic events happening. And like I can, like, visualize it in my head happening. Like a terrorist attack. I live in a place. That's like, without giving away my location. I guess I live in a place that's like, a major trading area, I guess for both countries. So it's like a pretty I don't know, I don't know what I'm saying. Anyway, I just upgraded here.

Scott Benner 38:04
Okay, no, no, no, no, I understand. So you think that whatever the worst thing that could happen is is the thing you're worried about?

Carlie 38:12
Exactly. Yeah. The worst thing?

Scott Benner 38:15
I'm sorry. I mean, to cut you off. Do you watch or consume the news regularly?

Carlie 38:19
I did. Especially I try not to No, no, that's a lie. I still do. I'm always looking at me.

Scott Benner 38:26
Listen to me. Yeah. Do you listen to this podcast? Oh, yeah. Have I been helpful to you in any part of your life? Absolutely. Okay. I'm going to be helpful to you again. Okay. Never watched the news. Or read the news again in your life. Okay, man, I tell you why. Yes, you can handle it. I think it's not for you. No, it's okay. Not a judgment. Okay. Yeah. Not a judgment. It's not for you. Now. Also, we could dig into it if you want to, but the news is stilted to make you feel the exact way you feel so that you will what? Watch More news.

Carlie 39:04
Oh, watch more. Yeah, that's true. It's addicting. Makes you want to read more?

Scott Benner 39:08
Because you're why you're worried. So you want to get the information you need to stop yourself from being blown up by a terrorist. I understand you like a book does. It's like a book I've read 1000 times. Now. You're not allowed to watch the news anymore. I don't want you reading the news. If you have a news app on your phone, I want you to delete it. Okay, okay. Never listened to CNN, MSNBC, Fox News. Any of those. Please avoid those like the plague. You are allowed to read? NPR? Once a week. Okay, but only two stories. And then you're done and one of them has to be about music. Okay, okay. I want you to Okay, that's it. No more news. It's not good for you. It's okay. No shame.

Carlie 39:53
I'm just, I'm realizing like how toxic like I got when I go to work. Like I log in my computer and I'm like news.google.com What the horrible things are happening in the world right now? I want to read about him.

Scott Benner 40:05
You're feeding your own. You're, it's like you it's fear porn. Yeah. Oh my god. You want to be upset? It's your natural. It's your natural state. You're trying to keep this level of a that you have going like that. Like I bet you vibrate in person. I bet if I got near you, I'd be like, God damn, that girl is vibrating. Do you vibrate? Do you

Carlie 40:34
feel it? I feel like I've been thinking about how to like God. When I listen back on this I'm gonna sound like a nutcase

Scott Benner 40:41
like a nutcase. You're gonna sound like a person who grew up with an anxious mother, who went into a world with a ton of information that you keep hearing. And let me tell you, and it reinforces it for you. I'm going to tell you something right now. The world is a safer place right now than it was 50 years ago. It is a safer place than it was 200 years ago. It is a safer place than it was 1000 years ago. Okay, gang, this con is not going to come through Ontario, and kill every man and rape every woman and kill every child. He's not going to do that again. It's not going to happen. Okay, it is safer now than it was then. Yeah, your house has locks, right? Yep. Got her police departments that deter people from doing things. You're married to a guy I'm sure he's a big strapping Canadian man. He could probably pick up an otter with one hand and beat a man to death with it. Right. Do you feel safe when you're with him? Yes. Great. Yeah, fine. Unless something crazy to you. If you're walking down the street one day, and someone grabs you and pulls you into a truck and kills you. There's not a ton that you can do about that. No, yep. Right. Bad luck, okay. But we don't give away every day of our life, on the off chance that someone's going to snatch you up. Okay, we don't we don't do that. We don't give away our life like that. Another thing here, if I can make a parallel for you, we don't give away days of our blood sugar. Out of fear either. Okay, so you check your blood sugar, because knowing is better than not knowing. Yeah, about your diabetes, knowing is better than not knowing about the news. Not knowing is better than knowing. Especially for you right now. Yep. Because you told me in your note, I'm going to I better get my s together. For my I'm so lazy. I didn't want to edit that out. So I said as I I better get my act together for myself. My future husband, my future unborn children. Okay. You do not want 25 years from now, for your kid to be on whatever the equivalent is of a podcast and say, my mom is the reason I feel like this.

Carlie 43:08
Oh, god. Yeah, I gotta end it right now.

Scott Benner 43:11
Cut the string right now break the circle. You can do it. I don't act like my dad acted. But I did when I was younger. And I stopped myself. Okay, you could do this. This is not a problem. I would, I would say therapy. But you're in Canada. And I don't know what like a shaman you're gonna meet? You know what I mean? Like, you gotta get a real Yeah, yeah. Somebody who really understands the business over here, Erica, on this podcast. She's a family therapist, you should listen to her. By the way. I don't know if I've come to that episode yet. She's, she's in California. So you, I just think California, she's encountered. What the hell, she's in California. So you can't use her. But you got to find a good person to talk to. And to get rid of all this, like, pretend you have a lot of pretend in your life that doesn't exist and you keep feeding it. All right. And I've caught you just the time 25 I've saved your life just now. I can't thank you enough for taking a victory lap right now with my hand waving to the people. And I'm in a room by myself. And I actually am waving my hand. Like in victory. That's awesome. Yeah. Because we met today, and I'm happy about that. Oh, thank you. Now tell me why you shouldn't be worried about a mass shooting.

Carlie 44:30
Because the odds of that happening are slim to none. Because I live in Canada where guns aren't accessible. Either accessible, I should say. You know, and if it does happen, then it does happen and there's nothing I can do about it.

Scott Benner 44:44
So here's another thing for you. This might be controversial for some people. There aren't that many mass shootings. You hear about every one of them. They're terrible. So they sound horrible. And the media like you know, keeps feeding them to you. But did you know notice that during COVID, you didn't hear about one person shooting somebody. Yeah. Why was that? Come on? Why not? Because I don't know. COVID they had COVID to make you upset with. Right. Okay, not that COVID wasn't bad, not saying COVID wasn't bad. They already have a thing to get you ginned up to get you to come back the next day to get you to click on the Next link to keep you worried and concerned to paying attention. They didn't need to tell you about the shootings because they had COVID. Right, right. You understand what I'm saying?

Carlie 45:33
Yep. Just gotta stop watching the news. If you're bad at

Scott Benner 45:37
watching news, Carly. Yeah, most people are. Yeah, yeah. Because the last two. Yeah, of course, this was the worst time I watched my son told my wife for three months in a row. Please stop watching the news. Please stop watching this. So she finally stopped and she then I watched her thank him for telling you that. That's great. All right. Now, are you worried about dying in a car accident?

Carlie 46:04
Not so much. Like no.

Scott Benner 46:07
Isn't that fascinating?

Carlie 46:09
Yeah, it's, it's a crazy, crazy stuff. I'm

Scott Benner 46:13
scared of gonna come over here and edit this podcast for me now. I'm sorry. If you were going to curse I would have just cursed. Oh, I'm really sorry.

Carlie 46:21
I love where I started this. I was like, Don't swear. Do not worry. I know you can bleep it out. But I don't want to make your life difficult

Scott Benner 46:31
by now you first I curse we're gonna curse. Alright. Alright, let's go back to your list. Yes, kidney disease? Do you have kidney disease?

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Carlie 50:49
Right, I'm gonna pull

Scott Benner 50:50
out oh, wait, hold on the wrong thing. That was the lady from yesterday. I don't laughing I'm not laughing about kidney disease. I'm working on the wrong thing. Sorry, Jesus Christ. Okay. Well, you said that switching from your pediatric endo to your adult endo caused you a lot of consternation. So that I hear that from a lot of people. I want to know more about that.

Carlie 51:17
Yeah, I I think I have a little note here. Yeah. Okay. I don't think it's talked about enough in general, like I have heard people talk about it, but not a lot. Because that experience for me was like, the worst. And I don't know if other people can relate to me, but like when I had to, like, obviously, I was six when I met with the care team there. And like, most of the same people were with me, like up until I turned 18. And like when I had to leave the pediatric care and go to the adult clinic, I felt like someone died. Like I felt like I lost a family member. And like, I was just mourning that like that. I didn't have that support anymore. Because yeah, like, like, I remember, like my last appointment at the pediatric clinic. Like my dad had come with me actually, cuz I think he wanted to come because it was my last. And there was this nurse there who like I love She's so nice. And she walked us down to the adult clinic. And like, I cried, she cried, like my dad got teary. Like, it felt like, she was like, passing me along to another part of like, my life. But then like, it just wasn't a very, like welcoming. I don't know, like, the endocrinologist that I was getting, like a sock like assigned to or became a patient of like, just very cold, like, didn't didn't seem to care in the way that like I had been cared for for so long. So

Scott Benner 52:35
I got it. Hold on. Now I'm gonna ask questions. Yeah, what was your agency while you were seeing your pediatric endocrinologist?

Carlie 52:42
I wish I had a list of 20. But like, most of the majority of the time when I was in pediatric care, my own fee was never any higher than like seven.

Scott Benner 52:51
Okay. And why did you? Did you live with this woman? Why did you care so much to me? We left my daughter's endo appointment the other day. And I got I hope they don't listen to this because I don't want this to feel bad. And she said to me, and I'm quoting now, why do we come here?

Carlie 53:09
Pardon? Yeah.

Scott Benner 53:15
And I said, Well, when we leave, we get waffles. So that's all right. You know? Yeah, we go for waffles after

Carlie 53:22
Endo. Oh, you guys do? They give you waffles.

Scott Benner 53:26
endocrinologists was giving.

Carlie 53:29
Maybe like sugar free, you

Scott Benner 53:31
know, we leave that place. And we roll up the street that disjoint and we get chicken and waffles. And we use real syrup and a ton of butter. And we eat wild rice together. And we don't let it spike. And then we laugh and we leave. And so she said Why do we Why do we come here? And so if you if you diagnose that, that idea, we know how to take care of her diabetes, right? We don't need a check in for someone to tell us to do a good job. I don't need a pep talk from somebody. I'm sure I'm sure some people do. I'm not denigrating that. I'm just saying we don't need that. I'm wondering why do you need it? Like why did you what was so important about that connection to you? And this person?

Carlie 54:16
I think it was like just more so like, I don't know if it was like emotional support. Or if it was more like, like, Oh, I just like they feel like family because I've been seeing them since I was six. So like I mean, I guess it's not that's not causation for everybody, you already know was like what, two or three when she was diagnosed

Scott Benner 54:34
or bossing these people for a very, very long time. Like I could write with my eyes closed.

Carlie 54:41
Yeah, I don't know what it was. Maybe it was just like that realization like, like after I left like I'm like, oh, like, Oh, crap. I'm an adult now and I have to take care of myself. And it's like, it just got more real. Like I didn't have them as a crutch.

Scott Benner 54:56
Did you do that? Or Did somebody tell that to you? Did your mom say to you? Now you're an adult? You're gonna have to take care of this. Was there ever? Did you ever get those conversations from her?

Carlie 55:08
No, I don't think so I think because she, my parents both kind of like, I don't know, they did they read the paper, like when they weren't as involved in my care, they would be like, are you taking care of yourself? Are you checking everything you are you go? And I'm like, Yes, I am. And I get like a noise.

Scott Benner 55:27
Sorry, were you lying when you said that? Yes, I

Carlie 55:30
was. Because if I talked about anytime, like anytime I was asked, How are you doing? Like or like, like, are you? I'm like, like, Oh, I'm great. Everything's fine. Because I didn't if I were to get into it, I would just cry. Like, I would cry. And I don't know how to like, but I'm telling you, like, if I had an I had a therapist, who specialized in like people with diabetes, I think I would have been okay. Like, anytime I went to an endocrinologist, like my adult one on one I would seem before I suppose. There was just a nurse there, who like, was really into the scare tactic method, which I am not a fan of. Personally, it doesn't work on me. It just makes me not want to come back to see you. Which then furthermore, makes me not take care of myself as well. I have cried so many times because of her. Like in the office. Well, last time I saw her, she was like, Oh, stop crying. She's gonna think I like made you upset. I'm like, Yeah, because we did. She was telling me a story about her sister who died from complications of diabetes. And like the feet, two feet had to be cut off, and the kidneys shut down and all this stuff. And I'm like, You're not helping me. You're just freaking me out. And I already know these things anyways. I mean, like,

Scott Benner 56:41
I have an idea for you. What if I made a fake news program that just told you to take care of yourself? Where you were somebody would shoot you while you're walking in history? That would probably make you do?

Carlie 56:56
Yeah, definitely. More, would it

Scott Benner 56:59
not? Or would it just make you more afraid?

Carlie 57:03
No, I think a complex one brain is complex.

Scott Benner 57:08
I don't think you're that complex. But I listen, you went from a 10 a one C to A six a one C in a short amount of time, which tells me you know how to take care of yourself. Yeah, okay. Yeah. So that's not the problem. The problem is, is that you just out of anxiety, which we call it now. But the truth is, you just don't want to hear bad news. Unless you feed it to yourself, then you're thrilled to have it. So which is odd? I don't know why you couldn't. Go ahead.

Carlie 57:38
That's exactly it sounds like you've literally just described who I am.

Scott Benner 57:42
Yeah, well, I've been talking to you for an hour. I got it figured out already. It's not that hard. No. Basically the same people. True. Yeah. It's very simple to figure people out. I don't want to like, you know, not putting down therapy. But like, all you gotta do is talk to people for a while to figure out how they think. And then say the things that don't make sense to them in a way that doesn't make them upset, and then they understand it, and then it's kind of over. So. Okay, so by the way, I'm not a therapist, I'm not trained at all. You recognize I didn't go to college, right? No, I did not be listening to me. This is a massive mistake on your part. But the but listen, that was a joke. You can tell the difference, right? Yeah, of course. I didn't go to college. I wasn't joking about that. That I don't think it's a mistake for you to come here. So isn't it interesting, though, that testing your blood sugar and getting bad news? made you feel like a failure? Is that right? Yeah. But listening to the news and getting scared about something. That's not you. So you don't feel like a failure. But you love that fear porn feedback is so if I guarantee you, if I made the management of your diabetes in your mind someone else's responsibility, you would actually enjoy seeing it go poorly. So tell me how we can make it so that when you see the result, the result feels like good information that you'll use to make a good decision next time and not like failure. And how we can stop desiring to feel scared. Tell me what we can do for you to do that. And when I say I'm clearly talking about you, so can you do to put yourself in that position? Feedback is good, right. You have a CGM. Now

Carlie 59:42
Yeah, I have the Dexcom and I have an omni pod now to mainly because of your like this podcast that influenced me to get both of them. So let

Scott Benner 59:50
me stop right here in this moment. Say hey, Dex comment on the pod when I tell you the price is going up for the ads. You just listened to Carly and you go okay, cool. I mean, how much do you send those people a fair amount? Right? They can give me a little Oh, thank Carly. Okay. All right, by the way, really great partners. And I'm just joking. Nobody fights with me about stuff like that. I'm teasing. But I

Carlie 1:00:15
think it's just funny. I think it's funny, like how many people that you interview on here or talking to you on here? I'd say like, oh, I'm, I'm on it on the pot in the Dexcom. And like, and then you're like, I swear to God, I didn't tell him to say that.

Scott Benner 1:00:27
I didn't tell you to say, No, I

Carlie 1:00:29
know. No, you didn't. But I just think it's funny because I'm like, Well, I mean, they're pretty great.

Scott Benner 1:00:35
Let's be clear, they're great devices. I'm just, I just, I read ads for them. I don't even read ads, I make them up on the spot, you know, that I do. The other night, I sat down with four episodes that were edited. So there I burped, I apologize. So they're all like, Oh, you didn't hear that I didn't bourbon. So they're all edited up for sound. And they're in chunks, right, there's a gap in the front for me to put the open in. Then there's the first part of the podcast, there's a small gap for me to put the ads, there's the rest of the podcast, there's a gap at the end, and I fill it in during editing. But I sit down and do like four episodes at a time. So I make up on the spot. The ads, I don't have anything written down specifically, once in a while there's reasons to read exact verbiage I make sure I do that. And in like an hour, I record all the opens. So the bumpers and the ads for four shows. And by the time it's over, my brain is spinning in a circle.

Carlie 1:01:36
I can imagine,

Scott Benner 1:01:37
sometimes you'll hear me say like, in the middle of the ad, I'll just like I'll lose it. And sometimes I just leave it in because it's like 11 o'clock at night and I'm like, whatever. I think that point is this. You're okay. But you don't know it for some reason.

Carlie 1:01:57
Probably because I'm so comfortable with not scared of something and not being okay that like now that I actually am okay with everything like yeah, okay, so just relax. Alright,

Scott Benner 1:02:12
I know other people like this. They love being upset. Now, they don't really love it, like, consciously. It's just their comfort zone yelling and angry and at odds with one of the people, they always there's always a person in the group that has to be doing something wrong. I'm making quotes with my fingers, right? So the group always needs to be mad at one person in the group. And then that'll shift. And then the person who was being mad at like people were mad at, they get to be part of the next group that gets mad at somebody else. This is their default happy place. This this group of it's how they love to live. The more upset they are, the more comfortable they are. I think you're comfortable when you're anxious. Not because you're not comfortable with the anxiety. It's just it's a it's a unknown quantity to you. It's a feeling that is familiar. It probably even makes you feel close to your mom in some weird way.

Carlie 1:03:15
Might What am I? Oh my god, this is so toxic. Like I'm like, I gotta I gotta like see her and I'm like, did you hear about what happened? Like this horrible thing happened and you hear about it? The guy saw it and when we talk about it, like, Oh, this is bad. Like this should not be happening.

Scott Benner 1:03:30
Are you worried? Because then cameras in your home and I can see your life?

Carlie 1:03:35
No wonder until you

Scott Benner 1:03:39
are you not worried about that?

Carlie 1:03:41
No, I have I have a little flighty things on my webcam.

Scott Benner 1:03:48
I'm not using your cameras. Carly. I've put my own cameras in.

Carlie 1:03:51
Oh, no, I'm not like paranoid. No, that's

Scott Benner 1:03:56
back just in case there are any real like severe, like mental illness. Listening to the show. I don't listen to people's I can't get cameras in your house. I was making a bigger point to Carly that I said something about her interpersonal relationship with her mother that I have no way of knowing about that. I was 1,000,000% right about so. You guys. You guys fear porn each other? Yeah. Oh, yeah. That sounds weird. But yeah, it's true. Carly Oh, hold on a second. Should I call this episode Carly fear porn or mom? Oh, definitely. I'm not gonna do. Oh my god. No, I might call this one. Scott was right. Again. There'll be a comma between right and again. We're three Oh, yeah. Who knows? Anyway? No, no, no. Is this helping you at all?

Carlie 1:04:44
It is. I know. I know. You're not a therapist, but I feel like I've like I've like, learned more about myself than I did before. I started to like things that I knew were like that is who I am in how I operate. But like I've never like actually like Have someone like, say it out loud to me? Or like I've never heard it be pulled. I just thought this is who I am.

Scott Benner 1:05:07
I don't think you have to be like this at all. As a matter of fact, you seem like a very nice happy person.

Carlie 1:05:13
I am and that's the funny part is that I don't think a lot of people who know me would think that I have all this like Doom in my brain, like, because I'm very, like, very bubbly and I'm happy and I'm nice. Like, oh, my friend. Like if I send this none of my friends are gonna believe like I don't think they're gonna know like these really dark dark years that I would meet any someone like my really close friends of all but like if I don't know, like, I want to destroy this like I'm on home. I like on Facebook and stuff after I'm gonna be like, what?

Scott Benner 1:05:46
And if you do, what are you gonna do if they come back? And they're like, oh, Carly, we know this about you?

Carlie 1:05:52
Then I'll be like, Wow, I guess I'm gonna fly.

Scott Benner 1:05:57
Is the bubbly to be sly. Are you trying to mask the anxiety?

Carlie 1:06:02
Yeah, probably. I think maybe that's my, my way of trying to make people around me think I'm good.

Scott Benner 1:06:09
So I'm worried that people will find out that you're an onset unsettled?

Carlie 1:06:15
Yeah, like they're gonna be like, Why? Why are you? Why are you letting that consume your brain? Like, that's crazy.

Scott Benner 1:06:22
Why would you tell me all this stuff and not your friends?

Carlie 1:06:26
I do tell my friend. Well, some of my friends know. Like, I've talked about it with some of my friend who I feel like I can like

Scott Benner 1:06:33
they weren't helpful because they're 25. Two, they don't know anything, right?

Carlie 1:06:38
Oh, yeah. I don't know.

Scott Benner 1:06:40
I trust me. I know. It's fine. I was 25. Wants to I knew for things. Right? Yeah. So it takes a while to learn things. That's why we got to keep old people alive.

Carlie 1:06:51
They know that they know the thing.

Scott Benner 1:06:53
They know that. Old people know things. Oh, people

Carlie 1:06:56
know. I was just thinking that. I was like that can be a good title.

Scott Benner 1:07:00
Old people know things that might be a good title. But that's not the point. The point is this. I don't even think you're anxious. I think you're just you're, you're like caught in a cycle. I think if you just jump out of the like, if you just jump off the merry go round. It'll keep going without you and you can walk away from it.

Carlie 1:07:20
I think you're right. Yeah.

Scott Benner 1:07:22
I don't honestly think this is a heavy lift for you. You're not? I don't I don't know that any of the technical terms I'm about to use, I might get these words wrong. But you're not clinically. Something, you're socially something.

Carlie 1:07:39
I've been influenced to be this way. But I'm not actually this way. I really

Scott Benner 1:07:43
think that might be true. of more people than just you, by the way, but about you specifically. Because you see it like Facebook's an interesting place, right? Where people like they want to be upset. And then they want to make other people upset. I expect they want everyone to feel upset. So everyone feels the same. You know, then they mask it with things like I know the right way to live and you don't know and you're ruining the world. Meanwhile, no one's ruining the world with their decisions. Like it just it's not working that way. But everybody feels that way. And then they have to attach this incredible certainty to, to what it is they're denigrating. Like if this person does x, then y will definitely happen. I have to stop them. They make themselves powerful. And they get this confusion that like social media means they have power. I want to tell you something, Carly, I'm be serious for a second. I have a certain amount of social media sway, okay. And I am powerless on social media. And I tell you that to say that if if you if you are a person with a Facebook page, and 90 or 300 friends, and you think that putting your thoughts on that page are going to change something in the world, you're so wrong. It's incredible. There's something in advertising called the rule of 10s. So you have to reach 1000 people to get 100 people to even consider doing something that so that 10 of them will click so that one of them will follow through. You're not influencing anybody. Okay. Now what you do is you make people upset. You make people think you're a problem. Then you make division. And then people love the division. They love to be on a team. Right? I'm Team vaccine your team not vaccine I'm Team Read your team blue I'm Team packers your team Vikings doesn't matter. Like people want to be on a team they want to like they want to fight for like just this and and they want to and they want to be on the winning side. That's what happens next. That's the real fear of being on a team is that you want your team to win no matter what. And for some reason you Your team is being upset. Right? You want to be upset? And you need to be upset because that's winning. Does that make sense?

Carlie 1:10:10
Yeah, it does. Yeah. Okay, absolutely.

Scott Benner 1:10:12
Now, what are we going to do now that we have all this free time? We don't have to. We don't have to sit around with mom yelling about did you hear what happened? And you don't have to be on the news going, oh my god, this is the next thing I need to be worried about. Like, like now that none of that's happening for you. What are you going to do with all your free time?

Carlie 1:10:31
I don't know. Like, I'm gonna be happy. Like, I'm going to be happy.

Scott Benner 1:10:35
I would be happy in a piece. Yeah, good thing, and you'll probably be able to take much better care of yourself without worrying about it. Yeah, right. Yeah, you're good at it already. There's nothing to worry about. Because you, you know, good. Sorry. Go ahead. No, no, I want you to go,

Carlie 1:10:51
Oh, okay. I wasn't gonna say it like what the best come to know like having, like, no choice, but to look at all this information. It makes it less scary, if that makes sense. Like, I see it all in front of me. And I'm like, oh, that's scary. Like, it's just like, information, it's gonna benefit me. You know?

Scott Benner 1:11:09
Yeah. Like you say, you ever struggle with over eating on low blood sugars?

Carlie 1:11:15
I've been working on since I've emailed you about it. Like, I think when I was listening to your podcast to like I was I remember, like, you would say, like, you know, like, you don't need to eat 15 grams of carbs to fix a low, like, you might only need like five carbs to bring you back up, you know? Like, because you told your whole life 15 grams of carbs when you're low. But like, not every low needs 15 cards. I've been kind of taking that into account, too.

Scott Benner 1:11:40
Oh, that's interesting. So you had a fear based on some bad input? And then it took one person to tell you, maybe don't worry about that. And then you went, alright, I won't worry about that. And now that's not a problem anymore.

Carlie 1:11:57
Yeah, like so instead of eating the whole fruit snack pack, I'll eat like, two or three little fruit. Things? Yeah.

Scott Benner 1:12:05
Yeah, there's a there's a certain if you're, if you're fighting a low, yeah, there's a certain amount of carbs that will fix the low and stop you from going higher. And there's a certain amount of carbs that won't fix the low and there's a certain amount of carbs that will fix the low and then all of a sudden, it's not, you're not managing a low anymore, you're now eating and eating needs insulin. And to be able to figure out the difference between the three of those takes a little bit of effort. But once you get it figured out, then you're good. It's not always 15 grams. 15 grams for 15 minutes and 15 minutes is something that was told to people back before there were CGM back before there was good. Even meat or technology. They were literally saying if you're getting low if you feel dizzy, oh my god, eat a bunch of foods so you don't die. Yeah, but that's not the world that most people live in anymore. And you don't live in that world. But you're still acting like you do.

Carlie 1:13:02
Yeah, because like anytime I felt like, like, I like I said, I've been working on it. But like when I would feel low, especially if it was like an overnight low. Oh, God, it was like a reason to like binge like, I would just like, I would eat so many carbs because I felt so crappy and just keep up. I'm laughing because how you started at you're like, I'm just gonna say s and then here I am. And I apologize. Um yeah, like I would, it would be like a reason to just, like eat a bunch of stuff at once. And then like, when I wasn't taking care of myself, and not like I would if I went low in the middle of the night, and whose season day and it wasn't real low because I never checked. I just felt low, which probably meant I was in range. I'm not lying. Like what like look like for a while like, I know you've talked about this in the podcast, too. But like, like when I started to like make a change in my health, like my diabetes like a low. So I started feeling low when I was completely enraged. Because my body was like coming off of that, like, oh, like, you're not high, but you're not low but you feel low. So that was hard to kind of push through. But it did go away after like a couple of weeks.

Scott Benner 1:14:13
Work. You mentioned earlier you said you managed on how you felt which I always Arden's like I feel fine. I was like garden if how you felt was important than Dexcom wouldn't exist. So why don't we test and make sure why don't we look at your CGM make sure that's right. And there are way too many people out there doing that. Like oh, I just I because in the beginning they probably feel crappy when they're high and then think they understand it or they feel dizzy when they're low and then by the way, then your body gets used to being high you don't feel it anymore. And some people some people have like a low on awareness too.

Carlie 1:14:49
Yeah, I'm glad that I don't have low in earnest but I still do feel lows and I'll wake up in the middle of the night from below but like, oh my god, like, I just think about like how when Like when I was doing that, like being like, I feel fine. I was probably high. And like I was, I would eat. Yeah. And I was like, I'm fine

Scott Benner 1:15:10
excuse to eat a bunch of food and not doing anything about it, which is what you which, which was really your happy place, which was not having to worry about your diabetes.

Carlie 1:15:19
Exactly like that just being like, yeah, just not caring in the moment.

Scott Benner 1:15:24
We're gonna walk you're happy place you being healthy. Okay. Okay. Let me ask you a question about this boy that you're married? Yeah. Do you tell him all this does he know about this?

Carlie 1:15:37
Trying to extend like, he's, he's, he was aware, like, we'd been dating like, three years before, like, we got married. And like, I think, like, for the majority of our, like, when I was dating him, like, I wasn't like, diabetes isn't important to me until this past year. And I think you've seen like, a change too. And like, you've watched me, like put a lot more effort into it. He's always been involved in it. Like, I like talking to him about it. And he actually kind of crazy he, he, he is the cleanest person. I'm not joking. Like, he's so clean and organized. So like his favorite thing to do, which is my least favorite thing to do is like making sure that all my supplies are like, organized. Like, my kit is stocked. And like everything is good, like, my prescriptions are filled. Everything's fine. I've never been good at that. But he loves doing that.

Scott Benner 1:16:28
You want me to ask him what his parents did to him.

Carlie 1:16:33
Already know what his parents did to him. His parents are very much the same, right? organized and clean and stuff. So I'm definitely how he would understand like, oh, no, no, that's fine. Oh, nothing at all. It works for us too. Because you laughing because like, now we have a house together. And he's like, you know, it's ever messy in here. It's great. Because no one will ever blame me. It'll, they'll know what to you. And I'm like, You're right. Because he knows he's clean. But yeah, he

Scott Benner 1:16:59
I don't want you living a lie with this boy. Okay, so and, and I think now if you go back to him and tell him about all this anxiety stuff, he's gonna feel like maybe he was sold what they call a bill of goods. So we don't want him to go. We don't want you to think they want him to feel like that. So we'll just we'll just make this stuff go away. And it's like it never happened.

Carlie 1:17:20
Yeah, you know what's funny, too, is that my dad always joked about that when he married my mom. He had no idea how until after they got married.

Scott Benner 1:17:30
That's, you understand that? Right? Oh, yeah, absolutely. And I'm sure your debt boy is lying to you about something right now too. So what that is, okay, I get him to fix it. But hopefully he's not outside like killing small animals with sticks or something weird like that. Right?

Carlie 1:17:48
Oh, God, I hope you're getting a dog too.

Scott Benner 1:17:53
Wouldn't it be being a mass murderer? You were killed shooting that I'm gonna look at him like just not he is not going to enact a mass shooting and make you one of the victims. I was just teasing you because of everything we talked about. He'll probably push you in the ocean where you'll be killed by a shark. So there we go. Your land. Right, like in the middle that that big ice?

Carlie 1:18:27
I got it. Yeah, we don't have any oceans near us. We have lost the

Scott Benner 1:18:31
weight. I received the ocean up in person.

Carlie 1:18:35
I have I've only I've only been in the ocean a couple of times. And one of the times is gonna be on a vacation to South Carolina with my mom was there and she was petrified of letting us go past our like, knees. Because I'm sure

Scott Benner 1:18:51
sounds like a big fun time to your mom. Gonna leave my wife right now. I'm gonna try to steal your mom away from your dad so I can have a big party. You're terrific, Carly. I hope you know anything that we talked about that you wish we would have?

Carlie 1:19:10
No, I just wanted to like thank you for the podcast. Because I I love what I'm so glad I discovered it when I did too. Because it was like obviously the email that I sent you I think was in January or February and that was like right at the beginning of when I started to kind of like really dedicate myself and know and like tell myself this is the last time I'm gonna like, you know what I mean? Like I'm not gonna fall out of this path again, and I haven't yet so it's been going good. But yeah, your podcast is great. I listened to it every morning on my way to work and at my desk sometimes and yeah, I'm I think I told you the email I started looking because I'm like from the newest going down but then I realized that's not really the best way to do it as long as I've been listening from the first on so I mean like the three hundreds no

Scott Benner 1:19:53
better as you're going

Carlie 1:19:56
to listen to, especially the audio quality like you do get that better at it like I'm like, wow, this is great. This sounds

Scott Benner 1:20:02
Yeah, I got it figured out the audio better and I think I'm better at it in general. But yeah, yeah, the audio bothers me. I wish I would have known. I wish I would have no know what to do with it. Not

Unknown Speaker 1:20:15
that bad.

Scott Benner 1:20:16
I know. It's not that bad. No, I understand. But it's so crystal clear now, right? Oh, yeah. That's great. So I wish I knew that back then. That's what am I?

Carlie 1:20:26
Oh, is it Yeah, but don't don't regret it. But

Scott Benner 1:20:28
do you know, Carly, I never think about it.

Carlie 1:20:32
You shouldn't. I love I love honestly, I don't know why I brought that up. I really wanted to tell you that. I love the podcast. And yeah, and you're great.

Scott Benner 1:20:42
Well, I'm glad that it's helped me. I really don't i i hope that everybody gets something out of it. Who tries it? I didn't ask you another question again that I've asked already in the past. No weed for you. Oh, I do. Yeah.

Carlie 1:21:00
Okay. I think I think maybe using it more often would be

Scott Benner 1:21:04
because you're going at like 200 miles an hour in your brain?

Carlie 1:21:08
Yeah. All the time.

Scott Benner 1:21:10
Do you slow down with the weed?

Carlie 1:21:12
Yes, I do. Okay.

Scott Benner 1:21:15
Well, I would like I don't think you should be doing drugs. Okay. But no, might try those breathing things more often. The big breath in, hold it blow it out. It's very helpful. It just, it's centering I do it. It's very centering kind of slowed. You're kind of slows your heart down a little bit. Because I thought when we started talking, that you were speaking this quickly, because you were nervous, but it never stopped. Oh, no. You speak like 1000. Like I'm I'm slowing myself down to balance you out.

Carlie 1:21:51
I like reading listening to my

Scott Benner 1:21:54
great. Oh, Carly, stop for a second. You don't misunderstand what a podcast is. Okay. Hopefully you got something out of this? Absolutely. If you didn't, it doesn't matter to me. Because everyone who hears it is going to get something out of you're going to have done a really nice thing for people. Because the problem is paramount right now in society. Yeah, yeah. You, this is probably the longest you've gone without looking at your phone in five years.

Carlie 1:22:28
I feel outed right now.

Scott Benner 1:22:31
Right? My wife asked me this morning about my job. She's like, do you ever, like dread making the podcast and I said, there are times when I have to edit the show that I think I don't want to do this. Because it's I have to go back and read Listen, on a different level. Like, I'm not really listening for what we're saying. I'm listening for noise and pauses and gaps. And I'm like, I'm cleaning it up, right. And I'm setting up the file to do what I told you about earlier to put the bumpers on the etc. It's the it's the background stuff to it. I don't I don't hate it. I just there are some times I'm like this, it's kind of tedious for me. And she said, What about interviewing people? And I said, Oh, no, that's the best part of my life. Like so. Like, like, what I so enjoyed our conversation. I really did.

Carlie 1:23:22
I am God, because I was anxious about that, too. Before we started, I'm like, I don't even know why I'm going on here. Like, what am I going to talk about? Like, I'm not interesting. I'm just another person.

Scott Benner 1:23:32
You're maybe interesting. Oh. You're very interesting. For two reasons. Here. I'm going to be honest with you, okay. People who feel like you, I hope are going to be helped by this. And people who don't feel like you are probably like, Oh, my God, this poor girl. Because you're because you're tortured and you don't even know it. Right? You know what I mean? And but I think now that you say it, like somebody's pointed it out to you? I think I think you could pretty easily walk away from it. I want to hear back from you. Would you email me? After a week of not listening to the news? Would you email me? Yes. I'm not saying you have to start today, although you should. But but after for seven days, you have not consumed any media news. Send me an email and tell me how you're feeling.

Carlie 1:24:23
I'm gonna go on Instagram and Twitter. And I'm going to unfollow all the news outlets. So I follow

Scott Benner 1:24:29
I think I think Twitter is probably very bad for you. I think you should consider the something that you cut out for a week as well. Yeah, Twitter's not good. I can't I can't even ask for you. That's just where people argue with each other. Yeah, that's news without the stories. Yeah,

Carlie 1:24:48
no, no, you know what I do? Like, I like tick tock. I hate to admit it, but I do want to cute dogs on their on my feed. Is

Scott Benner 1:24:56
that what your Tiktok looks like? Yeah, cute dogs. I do. Got the tick tock, because I have some content that I think for the podcast that is gonna go up on it soon. Yeah. And I don't like I don't consume the Tick Tock thing. Like, I don't go through the thing. I do notice though, when my kids are using it that tick tock just appears to be girls making their breasts and butt jump up and down. That's all the talk looks like to me. Right? Like my daughter even said to me, she goes, girls are just flat out not even wearing bras anymore. They're just putting on T. Bouncing. Like,

Carlie 1:25:35
sometimes we'll be on it and you're like, I can't believe this is allowed on. There no, like guidelines.

Scott Benner 1:25:40
Yeah, tick tock to me. Seems like porn where people leave their clothes on and don't quite get to the sex.

Carlie 1:25:46
Yeah, yeah. Yeah, definitely.

Scott Benner 1:25:49
It definitely is. I'm not getting it. Right.

Carlie 1:25:52
I think you are. You've got it. Gotcha.

Scott Benner 1:25:56
But anyway, I back to this was incredibly valuable. I think it was valuable for you, you'll let me know. But I definitely think it was valuable for other people. Now, some people might just think I'm a pompous like blowhard. But that's fine. They can not listen or listen and hate me. By the way, if you're listening and you hate me, as long as you're downloading it, I don't care.

Carlie 1:26:14
Exactly why you're listening. If you hate me,

Scott Benner 1:26:18
that's all good. But um, but I mean, I listen, I don't know everything. But this seems pretty obvious. You're you're caught in a in a in a fear spiral. You just need to step out of it. That's all. So good luck.

Carlie 1:26:33
I appreciate all your all your assistance. I don't try to listen back on this. So maybe I'll like, I'll listen to it. And I'll take notes.

Scott Benner 1:26:42
That way, I stopped taking notes, Carly, this doesn't know me to go over it. It's not hard, okay. You're putting yourself in situations where you're allowing yourself to consume things and see things that make you upset. Because you like being upset. Because that's how you grew up. It's that simple. And if you stop doing it, and go focus on your relationship with your husband, and build a new different life where people aren't upset all the time, then you'll start liking that. That's it. There's no more or less to it than that. Well, life is really easy. Harley,

Carlie 1:27:20
it it is it doesn't have to be so hard.

Scott Benner 1:27:24
Super easy. Now listen, if you're living in an alleyway, and you don't have a job. It's not easy. But you have a house or an igloo, whatever you live in. And you you know, there's some boy there that cares about you. You care about him. He cleaning the place for you. Probably cooking too, isn't it? More than cocaine. So you're cooking, he's cleaning, you're paying for the place, you're gonna get a dog, which by the way, huge mistake, but I don't want to get into it right now. And so you together, you try to build a life together. Try to find that motivating. Try to find try to find happiness and happiness, not happiness and craziness. That's all this is. Yeah, there's nothing more or less to it than that. Here here. Spend less money than you make. Okay, save some. All right, do your best to save 10% of what you make in the beginning when you're younger. If you're if your jobs are for your 401 K plans, put as much into them as you can never think about it again. Just do it. Okay. Try to buy things stay away from credit when you can. That's it. It's gonna be fine.

Carlie 1:28:41
Yeah, the way he just said that. I think I think my dad has said the same thing to me. So when he listens to this, you're gonna be like, This guy's great. He knows really,

Scott Benner 1:28:49
father. Oh my god. I haven't mentioned him once because I feel terribly for him. I imagine him just standing in a corner going like, holy crap, these two won't stop. And like and he's just like, Oh, my It's too late to leave. You know, they mean like, I've been doing it too long. And you have other brothers and sisters.

Carlie 1:29:11
I have a sister and a brother. Yeah, they

Scott Benner 1:29:14
they do they do this stuff too. Or no?

Carlie 1:29:18
Okay, well, the my brother He's younger. He's anxious like me, but he smokes a lot of weed. So he's got he's got a good my sister's anxious but she's not. She's got I think she's, you know, yeah, no, Rawlings.

Scott Benner 1:29:34
Not right.

Carlie 1:29:35
My dad is not anxious at all. Like when he talks about anxiety. Yeah, he's like, I don't even know what that feels like. And I'm like,

Scott Benner 1:29:41
No, I know that because he's the one that went to the endo appointments with you. Yes, exactly. thing figured out for like the last hour and 10 minutes now, but that's the point. So, so yeah, so I've literally if he's listening, sir. God bless you. I don't want out from Pakistan. okay to not come back here to get some milk I'll be right back some to tune or wherever those other places are that you live there is a Saskatchewan tune right?

Carlie 1:30:17
I think so thinks that's bad, but I don't know. I think there is terrible

Scott Benner 1:30:24
terrible Canadian. Have you ever even stabbed anyone? Never. Oh my god.

Carlie 1:30:29
I've never even like, what's something I've never even I've never seen or snowboard.

Scott Benner 1:30:34
I love the Okay. Do you love it when they they put the biscuit in the basket or do you not even care about that? What is that hockey? You do hockey? Oh,

Carlie 1:30:42
I don't know. I didn't know what you were saying. I know hockey. I don't play hockey. And I've never been to an NHL. I was an NFL.

Scott Benner 1:30:52
We're gonna call this episode. Carly's poor father.

Carlie 1:30:55
You that's a great title.

Scott Benner 1:30:57
I don't know what this is gonna be called. It's gonna take me a lot of fun. All right, Carly, I want you to get started on your new life. Start today. Okay. On the same two off your phone right now. Tell me two apps. You're taking off your phone. Two apps two whole app? Yeah, you're gonna just take them off your phone right now.

Carlie 1:31:14
I don't even know. Maybe. Say Twitter. I should I should take Twitter off.

Scott Benner 1:31:19
Okay, well. I don't know. It's apps on there.

Carlie 1:31:25
I don't think I haven't. No. Yeah, I do. I have the Apple news app.

Scott Benner 1:31:28
I'll get rid of that to get rid of Apple news app or just shut off the what's his name? send notifications to for that stuff? Yes. Oh, you're probably the notifications you probably love right. They probably light up. Oh, as your center.

Carlie 1:31:40
Yeah, my I got to go listen

Scott Benner 1:31:45
to what's happening. This is a bunch of people got killed. Let me look. Oh, Mom. Did you hear? Boy. All right, Carly, I can't fix you any more than this. I've done all I can do.

Unknown Speaker 1:31:59
So much. All right, hold on one second.

Scott Benner 1:32:06
A huge thanks to Carly for coming on the show and having this great conversation. I'd also like to thank Dexcom, makers of the Dexcom G six continuous glucose monitor. And remind you to go to dexcom.com forward slash juicebox inkind. Let me also thank the Contour Next One blood glucose meter. And again, remind you about the link contour next one.com forward slash fuse box. Now there are links right in your podcast player in the show notes where you can find them at juicebox podcast.com. When you click on my links for use them when you type them into the browser that really does support the show. And here's one more that you can use touched by type one.org. This was a pretty long one. So let me just say thank you. Appreciate you listening. I appreciate when you leave those great ratings and reviews in your podcast app and when you tell other people about the show. I'll be back very soon with another episode of The Juicebox Podcast.