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Scott Benner 0:00
Hello friends and welcome to episode 598 of the Juicebox Podcast

show ever get on a phone call and just chat not remember why you got on the phone call to begin with and had a good time and felt like a good back and forth fun time there were laughs had etc. That's this episode. I have no idea how to tell you what this episode is about. But I enjoyed it. It's a good conversation with Jessica who is the mother of a child with type one diabetes. And you're going to listen to it. And when you do, you should remember that nothing you hear on the Juicebox Podcast should be considered advice, medical or otherwise, always consult a physician before making any changes to your health care plan or becoming bold with insulin. And with that, I give you a podcast about nothing.

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Jessica 2:00
to say how to be the cool mom.

Scott Benner 2:04
How old are your children?

Jessica 2:06
So I have my type one is nine going on? 10 next month and I have a seven year old.

Scott Benner 2:12
Jessica I'm already recording. But I gotta tell you if you're looking for those kids that teach you how to be cool. I think you're in trouble to begin with. Don't

Jessica 2:21
I don't know. We're pretty cool. They're pretty cool kids. Okay, really? Cool. Parents. Right. And that passes on. I have my other one he just popped in. He was waiting. He's like, can I say hi to Scott too?

Scott Benner 2:30
How many babies did you have?

Jessica 2:32
only have two for done?

Scott Benner 2:33
Well, they could say I want I don't care.

Jessica 2:35
Do you want to say hi to Mr. Scott. All right. Hang on. Put the headset on. Remember Mr. Scott,

Scott Benner 2:47
hey, what's your name? My name is John. John. How old are you? I'm nine going on? 10. July 14. Nice. Are you the one with diabetes? Yes, I am. No kidding. How old were you when you got it? I'm How old am I when I got it. You were seven, seven when I got it. Do you want us to kick your mom out of the room and I'll just interview you instead. I don't know. Maybe? Can she hear me? No, she can't even pass her back. No, look at her. Like we're talking about her and just smile a little bit to make her feel nervous. Right. Like right now. Yeah. Good job, man. That's excellent. All right. Yeah. Put your mind back on. Okay. Okay. Thanks. Nice to meet you.

Jessica 3:32
All right. You weren't talking smack about me.

Scott Benner 3:35
I told him. I said look at your mom and smile. Like we're talking about her so we can make her nervous.

Jessica 3:40
He did. Exactly. He's like I'm doing it. Got it.

Scott Benner 3:44
Yeah, kind of ruined it when he told you he was doing it. But it was still good. I thought it was delightful. Yeah. Do you feel good about your speech? You sound good? Okay, perfect. Yeah, so. Alright. Well, we're already talking. So, I mean, just say your name, but we'll keep going.

Jessica 4:05
Sounds great. Okay, Jessica. Last names Armstrong and her from Northern Virginia.

Scott Benner 4:10
You definitely want your last name in this. Um,

Jessica 4:13
do I? Well, depending how this goes, how's that sound?

Scott Benner 4:17
Sounds like you're hoping that I'll remember to take it out. If he's helped me to

Jessica 4:22
know, it's fine. Whatever. Why not?

Scott Benner 4:25
So are you from that area originally?

Jessica 4:27
No. So I grew up in the I was a military brat. We're in the Navy. So we grew up overseas right now. I'm calling from Charleston, South Carolina. So we spend you know, we come visit family down here but we live and work in Virginia.

Scott Benner 4:41
Yeah, cuz you're you have an interesting accent that I can't figure out.

Jessica 4:45
I like your accent actually.

Scott Benner 4:46
Thank you. I work on it very hard. I believe that I'm unaware of how I sound. I only know when the emails come and people mock me. It seems to be playful. But

Jessica 4:58
yeah, I don't think anyone means any harm? No, no,

Scott Benner 5:01
I don't either. But when when people send you emails and just ask for certain words to be repeated, I don't take that as friendly completely. I think it's funny, but it's okay. No, you just like you, um, you stretch out some words, but it's not Northern.

Jessica 5:17
No, but I do me. So my husband's from upstate New York and we love you know, the boss. You know, New England is amazing.

Scott Benner 5:24
Oh, you've got that going on. Okay. All right. I've got it straight now. Excellent. Well, I just spoke to your son. That was John. Yes. And John was seven when he was diagnosed. Yep. At the end of first grade. Wow. What a graduation that might have been. It was so

Jessica 5:41
we knew nothing. We were naive. I will play the dumb card when it came to the only thing I knew about you know, diabetes was I assumed the type two didn't really know there was a difference. I googled it the night before, actually. He was just being sluggish. And we were having some issues your normal, you know, we thought playing too much soccer. Too much water and just guzzling water, didn't think anything of it started Googling and diabetes kept coming up. But I was like, Surely not. I mean, we have no family history. Again, I didn't know anything about diabetes. And so the next day, I took my son to the pediatrician. And they're like, it's the flu, nothing serious. And I was like, We need a blood test. I want to do something. And they were like, why? So I said, Hey, this is what's coming up. There's like, you don't have any family history. Do you said no, not that we know of. So we started with a urine test. And we were, he's like, You need to go to the emergency room now.

Scott Benner 6:38
Oh, so they went from the flu to you better get to the emergency room.

Jessica 6:41
Quick. And then we just started spring break, I was planning on taking my kids to the trampoline park. But I was like, Hey, let's make a stop here. And called my husband who was in the Department of Defense at the time had to break them out of the Pentagon. I said, Hey, we gotta go pack a bag, trying to keep it cool in the car. You know, I have two kids who are excited to be on spring break. And now we're checking into the ER. When we got there. They were surprised he was even walking more or less conscious is what they told me. His blood sugar was 893. Wow. That's a big number. Yeah. And he was still awake. And, you know, still able to talk. They, you know, got him on IVs. And that's when they started telling us, you know, yeah, he's type one. So my husband and I are trying to Google and figure out what does that mean? And that started our adventure.

Scott Benner 7:27
No kidding. Could you look back and notice was he had he lost weight?

Jessica 7:32
Let's see. Okay, so Scott, I think you and I, I love listening to your podcast, because I can relate. So I was always a chunky kid. So I've been paranoid. You know, we try not to do you know, we did sugar but within limit. But I thought he was always a chunky baby. So he was starting to thin out and I just assumed he was growing. Okay. But yeah, maybe looking back. I personally think he's had it for quite a while. And we just didn't, you know, go into DKA. Or this just hit it. But yes. Now looking back, I think we could have seen it. But I'm thankful that we caught it when we did,

Scott Benner 8:05
of course. So you probably lived through the honeymoon without knowing he had diabetes,

Jessica 8:09
correct? Yes. And we even actually went through the honeymoon for quite a while even afterwards.

Scott Benner 8:13
Okay. That's interesting. I wonder about all the running around at soccer too, like that must, there must have been a real combination there. Because if all the exercise didn't help them keep ahead of the number then. I mean, obviously, it was time to be diagnosed. I am fascinated. You know, doctors like to, sometimes default to kind of making fun of you for you know, using what they call Dr. Google, but it turns out, you figured it out.

Jessica 8:40
Oh, yeah. For the one time when I even remember it. So we the night again, we were at church talking to a friend who's a nurse. And you know, now I know, you know, most not all nurses know what type one is. But she was like, No, he's not type one. And I think she even thought, you know, like thinking it's a type two. Like, he doesn't look like it or, you know, and so, I think we tried to be active. I mean, that's what you know, and again, trying to burn out kids energy to make them happy. Keep mom and dad happy. So yeah,

Scott Benner 9:08
I agree. We'd be not happy. I think it goes together. Well, all I've learned from these last couple of minutes is that soccer causes type one diabetes.

Jessica 9:17
Well, I will also say if you asked my other so if you asked Shawn, he will also blame it on Olive Garden. So we secretly joke that Olive Garden cause type one diabetes, we've been out a few nights before that before his diagnosis and he just seems sluggish. And again we try it you know, we eat like a normal family but try to be healthy. And afterwards he just seemed to tank and was just kind of had trouble keeping up with us. And naive you know? Alright,

Scott Benner 9:42
so the the unlimited breadsticks in the pot, and then his body just couldn't process any of it new drugs.

Jessica 9:49
And now I feel like the horrible parent but yes, so we never eat at Olive Garden again. So we sorry Olive Garden but no, I'm not a fan and I never really was to begin with and Just kind of nailed it for us.

Scott Benner 10:02
Well, I know some Italians that would, would I think they would crucify you for going to Olive Garden if

Jessica 10:08
I agree. It's not real Italian, not the point.

Scott Benner 10:12
Well, listen, I think the one thing to talk about here is the gay people joke about it or say it, you know, tongue in cheek, but I think they mean it. You know, mainly, you said, you know, the terrible parents that took somebody to Olive Garden while they had diabetes, I didn't know but you realize that there's no way for you to know that. And he's alive and he's healthy. And there's, I would never think of that, again. If I was you. There's, there's just no way to. You don't I mean, like, it's just like,

Jessica 10:37
Well, no, wrong. And I think you're right in this. And I think this has helped us this has been kind of like our tribe of listening to funny stories listening to you and Arden of you can't hold it. I mean, you take it day by day. I can't place blame, and you know, trying to explain that to the time at a seven year old. No, you didn't cause it, you didn't do anything. We didn't do anything. But here's what we're gonna do to get you on, you know, to keep you as best as we can with the numbers and range or, you know, we recently do to your podcast without on the Omni pod. So we've been playing the Omni pod game and just learning but I mean, loving the flexibility and trying to ensure Yes, you still need to Bolus for that pancake. If you want. I still secretly sometimes cringe, but we're trying to build that independence with him as well of what can you have nothing's really technically off limits. I mean, I'm with you. I do see, you know, there is two types of people in the type ones, you know, the low carb and we try to shoot for the medium middle range and trying to still be, you know, let them enjoy. Yes, childhood but keep them healthy.

Scott Benner 11:38
I don't, I don't see. Well, you know, if you listen, I don't, I don't have thoughts about how people eat. But I do know people who eat incredibly heavy carbs every day, and I hear them talking. I do think like mix a salad and once in a while, like what are you doing? You know, like, it's not you don't have to, like you don't have to double down on it. I think just because you can doesn't mean you should maybe fit sometimes, like just because you've learned a Bolus for it. Doesn't mean you have to have it every day. You know, it's it's cool that you know how to cover you know, honey smacks for breakfast but maybe have eggs once in a while.

Jessica 12:19
I would say definitely probably not. Honey smacks I don't know that's, you know, you're going old school there. I don't think I could do the honey smell. Oh, yes,

Scott Benner 12:26
I so I wore a CGM. Like it's been like, gosh, it's been like seven months ago now so that people could watch like my regular blood sugar. I put it up online for a while. Yeah. And I people were like, eat cereal. And so I got to the store. And I'm like, what cereal that I used to like when I was a kid. And so I'm looking and they ruined Fruity Pebbles. I don't know what they did to it. But they're not right anymore. So it was a note of that. And I was like honey smacks I remember having wants that. They still seemed like, they were so sugary that they they didn't you couldn't chew them. They just compressed like peanuts. It's disgusting. But as a child, I remember enjoying it. And I liked Corn Pops. I bought the two of them and mix them together. I thought if I was gonna eat a bowl of cereal, I might as well really go for it. And it's funny. Didn't really touch my blood sugar. I had to

Jessica 13:19
Oh, that's awesome. I had to create a new cereal.

Scott Benner 13:22
Yeah, and I well, please, anyone who knows how to use Macs and Corn Pops though they go together. But but I don't. That's a joke. I don't imagine anyone has ever tried. But maybe now I did eat enough finally to get my blood sugar to go up. But I did not feel like a second bowl of it. And really kind of pushed it. And still I think I was only like 160 I think it was one of the that and pizza. I think I had to eat three or four slices of pizza to get my blood sugar up into the 160s. And then it stuck there for a good, good long time. But I really had to eat a lot to make my blood sugar up like that. It was it was both interesting and a little sad. And you know, I mean, it was a weird situation.

Jessica 14:04
Makes me need to throw some doughnuts in there. That seems to be the new brown vacation mode, Krispy Kreme Doughnuts. I

Scott Benner 14:10
can't eat a doughnut too much. That seems like a lot of sugar to me.

Jessica 14:13
But it is. You're not missing anything.

Scott Benner 14:16
So your email was interesting because you well, not even email I finally fixed my system. So it asks people why they want to be on the show. And you were like just to have fun and talk. And I was like, that's great. So

Jessica 14:29
hopefully it comes out that way. Yeah, well, then I again can relate to you. I you know, I was at home at the time I was a stay home mom, living the dream. I worked for the Department of Defense for a little bit. And then my husband and we got married got got had our first child John, and then we you know, daycare being what it is in our area. You know, I decided to stay home and was living the dream. And after John's diagnosis, it was like oh, so what are we going to do? My husband was looking to get out of the Department of Defense and a teaching job popped up. And he's always wanting to be a history teacher. So, I said, well, to make this work, I'm gonna have to go back to work. Okay. So I picked up, you know, ended up back at the Department of Defense, and now he's teaching where my son goes to school.

Scott Benner 15:12
Wow, that's interesting. What did you do it? Can you tell me what you did at the DOD? Or was it?

Jessica 15:16
Yeah, nothing. I wish it was something cool. It's nothing fun. I do human resources for kind of like senior executives. So these are the top of people, the government, my presidential appointees, people who make the big bucks and the big decisions

Scott Benner 15:32
at the Pentagon. And you you were in the Human Resources Department for that. So we hire and fire them. Oh, do you fire? A lot of them? No, no, thankfully, not too many.

Jessica 15:41
More of the hiring at this point. So and now with you know, for the secretary of army, we just appointed our first female Secretary of the Army. So yeah, so she's on board, and then she brings all her people on and it's my job. Just make sure everyone gets on and gets paid.

Scott Benner 15:57
Oh, that's a good job. Yeah, yeah. All this sounds like a good job, too. I may I be honest from I've been at home for so long. Now. I honestly believe that if you came to me and said, Scott, you have to go back. You're gonna go to work. It's gonna start next Monday. I'm gonna give you a whole week to think about it that by Sunday night, I'd be crying. I think I would I would go into a dark room and cry. I don't I don't want a job.

Jessica 16:26
I don't blame you. I will say the money's Nice. Yeah. But I mean it, it's the same thing. You just bounce with it and you go, I would say I'd probably give you a month to tell you that you were coming back. And that's pretty much how we were. And then we're like, oh, let's go on vacation. So you're right. Towards the end of that vacation. I was kind of like, Oh, am I really doing this? I haven't, you know, by that point? It's almost seven years, I'm going back into the Pentagon? Can I do this? What am I doing?

Scott Benner 16:53
Two aspects of being at home that are the same? Like I wouldn't, I couldn't find a way to trade them. So the interaction with my family was the one thing that I did not expect for that to be. And you know, don't judge me, I was pretty young when I became a stay at home dad, but I didn't except for all that, you know, I was just like, Oh, I thought I, I just looked at coal. And I thought, well, I'll just keep this kid alive and do the laundry. And this will be like my job. But there's just a connection that happens when you're around people for such a long time, especially your children and your wife and things like that. I don't know how great I'd be at being away from everybody for too long. I do think when like, when my son went to college, I cried. Oh, crazy amount driving home. And, and so I not certain like, I'll probably just die when Arden leaves you know what I mean? Like my brain will just like short circuit, I'll fall over. But the other thing is like schedule, like having, like being able to say to yourself, these are the things I have to do tomorrow. And I can do them whenever I want, as long as they're finished. And I can stop in the middle of something and go do something else. And no one has an opinion about how I do it. Or when I do it. That kind of freedom is amazing. It is you know, I would have I don't know how much trouble I would have. Letting someone else schedule out my life. Although I don't know if that's even how work works anymore. Everybody's at home anyway. Right?

Jessica 18:20
Well, I say yeah. And we're still so I'm still home from COVID aspect of things, which so it has been interesting. Last summer of you know, now the kids are home and you know, popping in on, you know, MST meetings or Zoom meetings to say hello to, you know, the Assistant Secretary of whatever it's like, yep, that's my child and other child and the dog barking in the background. Yes, it happens. I think it's gonna be a transition for us. When we do go back, you're right. And it's, it's been a mess, to have the freedom to work, cut it off, and then go spend family time and not have to worry about commuting or doing all that I you know, I only had a 20 Maybe half hour ride on the bus every morning and coming back. So which everyone's like he should podcasts. And I'm like, I don't know, I don't know how to do that. So that's how I finally started listening to the Juicebox Podcast when we were at home, you know, I'm, you know, plugging along and have it on the Alexa. But up to that point, I would always read or just stare out the window to mentally unwind or figure out what I need to do or make what's going on, you know, for dinner, dinner plans.

Scott Benner 19:20
Do I help you unwind?

Jessica 19:22
Sometimes, I mean, now, I think because it's just nice, or, you know, just to hear it, the bantering back and forth to other, you know, whoever's your guest or, you know, to laugh where it's nothing serious. I think I like that aspect of the podcast. It is a serious matter what we're dealing with on a daily basis with our kids or ourselves, whoever is that type one, but to be able to have humor with it, which I think we all need at this moment. Sometimes in our life of yes, yeah, I can help entwine.

Scott Benner 19:48
I don't, I don't even I don't think the podcast would still exist if it was dry, and just informative. And

Jessica 19:55
yeah, it gets boring. It gets old. I mean, I like history. My husband is a history teacher. But, you know, and I think that's trying to make it fun. I agree. Okay, so it's a good thing. So

Scott Benner 20:05
you how long ago did Omni pod wins, you guys get a pump.

Jessica 20:10
So we got it going into Christmas break, we thought would be a good time. So that was in December of what 2020 We thought we'd have that two weeks to kind of play with it. I do want to recommend, I think I got it off your Facebook page and hearing you talk about it. I, I wore an omni pod for the first time. And let John put some saline board for about a day of just flushing ourselves through it with our Omni pod coordinator who was phenomenal. And I think he was excited to see you know, Hey, Mom, you know, look at this, and let's give you 10 units of saline. It's like, okay, child come down. And for me, and I think showing him to you know, that first time when you stick it in, you know, we're okay, it really didn't hurt us much. And the witness, you know, something that he you know, that he does on a daily basis. So we did that in December had our first you know, oh, did it isn't not working, it kept going up numbers were going up, I waited probably a little longer because I didn't know of Alright, I think was a bad pump site, or, you know, we had to change it. And then we saw the numbers, you know, do that. But I think right now we're doing well with it. I also like at school, he doesn't have to, you know, physically inject himself. We're on MDI for quite a while and have to worry about, you know, does he have the right what he needs has been helpful?

Scott Benner 21:23
Would he inject in his classroom? Or would he go to the nurse? So

Jessica 21:27
we would go into we have what the offices and we have a nurse, kind of semi quasi nurse who's on staff and my husband was there if he needed to get called out. And yes, he would jack, we kind of gave him a private room to do so. He was the only type one for about two years. And then we actually had someone who joined his class who's also a type one. So there's two of them in fourth grade going down into fifth grade, which he loves to actually have someone his age, right. So she's on the Dexcom. And they compare numbers and talk a lot between each other. So it's kind of neat. That's very cool.

Scott Benner 22:01
I loved the idea that, you know, Arden could just give herself insulin in her classroom. She didn't have to leave that that was a big deal to me. Not not having to leave the room.

Jessica 22:14
Yeah, well, and it normalizes things, right. I mean, that makes sense. I'm hoping we can get to that point at some with him. I'm just nervous about the phone aspect of things or

Scott Benner 22:24
what makes you nervous.

Jessica 22:28
He's probably gonna listen to this later Scott

Scott Benner 22:31
Jami about to talk about your lack of maturity or something like

Jessica 22:34
he's still young, so it makes me nervous giving him you know, a full a phone or, but I can say, I tell them this. I do remind him I mean, he's been able to and which is, you know, class has cupcakes, he now knows. Okay, cupcakes. I'm gonna Bolus about 25 to 30 carbs. So and he can do that himself. So it's just constantly continuing, like you said, I think more maturity when we get there will be helpful.

Scott Benner 22:58
Yeah, I had a lot of luck with the texting. I thought I I'll say, you know, if I have the opportunity, I think texting is the unsung diabetes tool of parenting. Somebody who has type one, just the idea that you can kind of be there without being there. It also helps the timing a lot. Instead of you know, we're gonna have a cupcake. So I'll walk to another room, however long that takes and then give myself insulin and then walk back and you can just say, you know, Hey, um, I see the teacher moving around with cupcakes. I'm going to Bolus now you don't I mean, and then it just happens that that thing is I texting, it's a CGM pumps texting. To me, those are the three tools.

Jessica 23:41
Okay, now, I think it goes hand in hand. Well, I will say and I just wanted to shout in regards to you, one of your sponsors, who I've heard nothing about good things, ducks calm, specifically, if you need to edit that out. But that just didn't work for us. And I feel like in the type one community, it works for a bunch of other people. But we at certain intervals in our adventure felt like we were failures, because it didn't work for us. And everyone kept saying how great it was. So we ended up on the FreeStyle Libre, which we've been on for about a year and a half. And that works for us. Now, obviously, as it advances Dexcom I'm hoping eventually it's going to get there on certain things. I mean, now the libre two's out, but it works. You know, our numbers are always accurate. We just had issues with the Dexcom back and forth. And you know, we were all frustrated. John was upset. It just wasn't reliable for us. So

Scott Benner 24:33
you know, hold on one second. Sorry, my throat clear that I'll edit out the part about Dexcom I'll leave it now. I'll probably just leave it all in because I don't care. But I so I've seen it not like the best way I could describe it as it just doesn't mesh with some people's body chemistry but I haven't seen it that frequently. Yeah, but it I do know what I can think of a Personally, the top of my head were, you know, their blood sugar's like it's 220. And they're like, No, my blood sugar's 80. Or it says 80 and 300. Like, it just never worked for that person. And there's nothing they were, you know, once I helped them dig through it, I couldn't see a thing in the world they were doing wrong, other than, you know, maybe this, it just doesn't work for everybody. And I don't know why that would be. I'm not a scientist, but it makes sense to me, you know, that it wouldn't be for everyone.

Jessica 25:28
No, yes. We're in the same boat where it was, you know, sometimes, yeah. 200 200 Points off was a big deal.

Scott Benner 25:34
That would be that would be something not working. Yeah. But but it's, but I think what gets confused when people talk about it? Is that is people will say, Oh, Dexcom de, you know, whatever you're talking about Assam to be Dexcom doesn't work for us. And then people just think that that means it doesn't work. It doesn't mean it won't work for you. It didn't work for that person. And it really is, you know, I don't know, like, it's just I don't, I don't understand when people think that something's going to be perfect for everybody. And it's but it's such a letdown. Because it's not like there's 1000 options. And you do have diabetes. It's not like, it's not like you really wanted this, you know, universal remote control to work for your TV set up. But it didn't work. You're like, oh, I guess we'll just use three remotes instead. Like it feels like a real like, oh my god, like, I was gonna, like really lean on this thing.

Jessica 26:25
So yeah, it was, you know, and what it does? I mean, so now we become Yes, I think like every you know, when you do rely on that CGM so much at night to just be able to begin and say, Okay, here's your, you know, do I need to give insulin where we're at? And I think for us, it was a trying to show to that, especially to John of, you know, embracing technology. I do feel like I'm an older person than what I really am. I've already been I've gotten to the point where I'm like, I don't you know, totally podcast, I'm not really sure what that is. But just because I'm uncomfortable or uncertain doesn't mean I need to, you know, be away from that technology, especially for a growing child who you know, this is, as it's advancing rapidly, to jump forward, where it's like, you know, we were comfortable on MDI, well, yeah, but is that something he wants to do? So it was, hey, let's try the Omnipod. But now, and he's like, can I just keep the ducks or the libre off? I'm like, Yeah, how about you keep it off for a night, but now I'm so used to seeing that at night, I need to see it, just to you know, keep those stable and make sure you are leveled?

Scott Benner 27:26
Well, the other thing I guess we don't talk about because it seems like, I don't know, you're, you're shaming somebody, I guess that's such a millennial word. I don't really think of it that way. But that's not the point is that user error is a huge problem with technology. And yet, you know, and I'm not saying you were doing it wrong, I'm saying that, you know, there are a lot of people who are just like, This thing doesn't work. And you're like, well, you're using it wrong. And, you know, like, it's, it's there, there is a especially with pumping, I think there is a time where it's it's a little like starting over because you're relearning something again. And pumping frequently. Basal is not the same as it was with with MDI. And that happens to a lot of people, they start a new pump. And then they're like, Oh, my God, my blood sugar's high all the time, and then they make that leap to the pump doesn't work.

Jessica 28:19
No, I agree. And it's sticking it out. And I remember even pulling up your other paths, you know, listening to tips, and, you know, your pro tips and going back, because, again, we get comfortable in those things. So again, easy to swag on certain things I knew with his MDI. I mean, we were still relatively low, I would argue comparative to some other for insulin purposes, you know, maybe two units per meal is what we were at. The, his basil Glar was a little higher. So you know, transitioning over, it was like, yeah, that doesn't transition. So trying to my husband and I both were getting frustrated. So I guess we just need to hold out at it. That month, maybe even two months of just trying to learn going back and forth and resetting and re enter. He's a growing boy, also, so that first things in the loop to

Scott Benner 29:09
know I hear you, I mean, everything's the stuffs fantastic. I, you know, I can tell you right now that if you came to this house, and tried to take the Dexcom and the Omni pod out of here, I would I would meet you with force.

Jessica 29:23
You know, everyone's like that. We all have it. Yes. Technology, right?

Scott Benner 29:27
It just it does what it does, I can be completely honest and say that. I don't I guess I could do it with MDI and Dexcom. It would be a lot of shots, and a lot of like thinking more more thinking. Then then I would want to be involved with I don't think Arden would want to be involved in it either. But it's doable, then, but without the CGM. Now, I think you're saying to yourself If I'm not using a glucose monitor, like, like, purposely not, not that you can't afford it, or your insurance won't cover or something like that, but if you're purposely not using it, I don't know how you can be comfortable believing that you're a one, see if it's lower is not. Like, I don't know how you can't slip back into that ABS idea of like, well, you must have a lower a one C, because you're low a lot. You know, I don't know how to know that or not know that, I guess, is

Jessica 30:30
no, I agree. Yeah. Well, and we try to immerse still try and, you know, it's a balancing act. And we still every now and then we'll hit a low I think we find now when we were on made that switch the Omnipod I found exercise didn't affect us as much as it used to when we were on MDI. So I would kind of counter you know, okay, I'm getting ready to Bolus it's you know, you're gonna go running in a little we'll go ride a bike or something. So I went, you know, who go lower, and the insulin and then come to find out that that didn't work out like it was supposed to. You didn't go Wait, your, your body didn't do what I needed to do, buddy. And so there is still some times that. And that's usually I find when we still do get those lows. But thankfully, John, we've already from the beginning, we tried to be intuitive of Hey, what is the low feel for him to recognize it so even now, like he'll run around without if he doesn't have his, you know, we say robot person, he can usually pick up when he's going low or getting ready to drop, which has been phenomenal. And I think why we stayed on MDI little longer, just so he could recognize that. And I know some people can, some people can't, but thankfully, he still can't. Like he'll wake up in the middle of night sometimes and say, you know, I do feel low. And it's like, Well, you're right at 70 and you're dropping. Yeah. Okay, let's,

Scott Benner 31:43
there's no doubt that people can feel it. But you know, to to argue the other side. I always tell Arden, if how you felt was an important measurement of this, then there wouldn't be a meter. So

Jessica 31:57
that's yesterday, right? Yeah, cuz it's always nice to have that. I don't sometimes to when you you're not low in your, but you might feel it and no, no. When at Yeah,

Scott Benner 32:06
I love it. When she's like, I don't need to test like, I feel right. I was like, Yeah, I don't know what that means.

Jessica 32:13
Let's just do it anyway. Okay, okay.

Scott Benner 32:16
It's okay. And sometimes I'll go, okay, good gift. If trust me comes up, then I'm like, alright. I don't want you to think I don't trust you. And sometimes I'll just be like, Look, just test so we can both see like you. Maybe you'll be right, and I'll be wrong, and that's fine, too. So yeah, we're

Jessica 32:32
the same way. I'm like, Yes, you can prove me wrong. That's okay. Yes, John. Go ahead. Just show me. Do it. Yeah,

Scott Benner 32:37
there you go. Well, it's done. So you guys are pretty new to this still?

Jessica 32:44
Yeah, I mean, I think yeah, I would say three years comparative. Yeah. To some of your you and your guests.

Scott Benner 32:50
Yeah. Even not even compare to other people. Just like if you really like maybe I'm wrong, but the first year is a blur, right? Yeah. Right. So that doesn't count. Cuz you didn't learn. The first year. You're just like, Oh, my God, look, he's still alive. Everybody like, yeah, and

Jessica 33:06
I did it. Does anyone else do that? You're like, Is he sleeping in? Or should I be concerned? Oh, my,

Scott Benner 33:12
yes, i Yes, I could tell the sadder stories, but I try not to put them on the podcast, but I would put Arden to bed and just look at her and think like, don't die, don't die, don't die, and then out of the room, and it was a completely earnest feeling. You know, just like I 100% was just like, crossing my fingers and walking out of the room before it

Jessica 33:33
going well, and I think you know, our inner canal, you know, and we do get that and I understand for safety reasons, or whatever, you do get a little scared. We were scared to just kind of, you know, well, you know, you don't want to overdo it. Double check in the middle of the night, Do this, do that. And you're just like, I'm never gonna sleep again. What? And then we were eventually, it seemed like his body got regulated. And then I, you know, I'm like, Are we being horrible parents and selfish because I can't check in the middle of the night. I didn't want to wake him up. And he would always wait. So it got to the point. Do we still need to do the two MHS? You know, 2am checks, he seems fine.

Scott Benner 34:18
Are you using insulin? Well, if you are your blood sugar may be jumping up and down and up and down, and up and down. Up and down, up and down, up and down, up and down, up and down. And there's no way to know where it stops, right? Where if it's going to or how much more insulin you need when it's up or how less, fewer but less less. It's liquid, right? less insulin, how much less insulin you would need to stop making those lows. It's all kind of just a guessing game. You're testing with your meter at certain increments. I understand. That's good. And you have a great meter I hope I hope you have a Contour. Next One blood glucose meter. But that's not the point. The point of this is you could use with some more data, a little more vision you could use Dexcom G six continuous glucose monitor Did you hear that magical music? When I said Dexcom G six, as if I lined it up completely, just so that would happen? I did. That's what I do. I'm just bored today. And I thought, let me see if I can run my, my opening thoughts right into the doodle loop. And I did it. And now I'm proud of myself. I'd be more proud if you had it over to dexcom.com forward slash juice box to really look into the Dexcom G six CGM. Listen, no joking around, being able to see the speed direction and number of your blood sugar is huge. Right? 89 to 1500 87. What does that mean? What if you knew it was 187? And headed down? What if you knew it was moving down at two or three points per minute? Wouldn't that be interesting? It would trust me. It helps me every day make great decisions with my daughter about her blood sugar, and it would help you. I swear. I'm not saying that my results are gonna be yours. But my daughter's a one C has been between five, two and six, two for almost eight years. And the information that I get back from the Dexcom G six continuous glucose monitor is at the core, the center at the focus of how we make those decisions about insulin. I've learned so much from watching the Dexcom I think you would too. dexcom.com forward slash juicebox.

Jessica 36:37
He's okay. And they're like, Well, if you're okay with that, like, yes, we need to sleep too. And so does he

Scott Benner 36:43
there's an incredible balance to be struck. And yet again, I'm not arguing but you could you can look at it from both directions. Like if you need to. I don't understand if it's important to test your blood sugar during the day. Why is it not important to test it? Yeah. Is it because you want to sleep? Because that seems like the only reason and by the way, really, really valid reason? Because little Johnny's not going to be okay. If mommy and daddy are stabbing each other, you know?

Jessica 37:10
Just Well, I can't tell you. Yeah, there has been times or Yeah, going in the middle of you know that. And yes, stabbing yourself at the same time not getting enough blood. And yeah, I'm

Scott Benner 37:21
just so tired. You're pro you're poking your own finger. And then you're arguing and, and you know, nobody's rested. And you can't say enough. What good rest is to people you really broken sleep might be the worst thing you can do to yourself.

Jessica 37:36
I agree. No, it's it. You know, it was your starting childhood. Yeah, it's a new baby, but not. And that

Scott Benner 37:42
never goes away feels like it's like yeah, like, you know, when you have a baby, you're like, if I can just live through this six months, that kid will sleep through the night. And I will be saying again, like that's how it feels. And then the kids. And there's an event coming and you can't see it with the with the diabetes, because I mean, look, Arden's insolence incredibly well regulated. But, you know, she still can get low. And, you know, and blow could mean 50. Right. And that that needs intervention. And without the technology. She I mean, I guess without the technology, she would probably sleep a full night with their blood sugar that low if somebody didn't know, once a month, maybe or so. I don't know, you know? Yeah.

Jessica 38:30
No, well, like you said, there's no need to at this point anymore, which, yeah,

Scott Benner 38:34
it's interesting, you get the beeping, and you're like, oh, okay, I'll go take care of it. And then it doesn't seem so bad. And I have to say two algorithms are, if you're using a pump with a glucose monitor, the algorithms are insane. They're just, if you even if you try to get low, I don't think that I don't think that loop has physically let art and get below 50. In forever, you know, like, even if she tries to get low, it's now she hasn't been in some emergency situation where cutting off the insulin wouldn't, wouldn't help. Luckily, that hasn't happened. But I don't believe that it would help if you know if that happened, if we gave her you know, just viciously too much insulin or something like that. I don't think the loop could stop it. But that's just common sense. That's not speaking about the technology. But in general, when it's making all the decisions throughout the day. It is in general, putting you in a position where an emergency low is incredibly unlikely. So even if you get a drifting low from activity or something unexpected, it does a fairly good job of stopping it from being you know, like a call 911 situation

Jessica 39:43
of anything. Okay. Well, that's our next I think, hurdle to figure out. Yes. The looping aspect of things.

Scott Benner 39:51
Can you loop with Oh, libri

Jessica 39:54
I think you can I think Well, from what I read Scott now again, not just reading it like can I? So the libre to my understanding, and we've tested it out, it's kind of more like the ducks calm. So it's a full CGM. And I think you can build your own with the libre and with the Omni pod?

Scott Benner 40:16
Well, that would be, you're talking about just so people understand you're talking about a do it yourself system, not through the FAA not through the companies, etc.

Jessica 40:25
You're eventually hopefully fingers crossed for someone like me, I would prefer this companies to get where they need to get so I can just Yes. And that to us and not have to worry about doing it myself. No,

Scott Benner 40:34
I don't want I think loops are amazing. And I don't want to have to use it. So I would rather there be a I would rather there be an option from directly from the company that's viable?

Jessica 40:46
Yeah. And I think right on the right is an Omnipod.

Scott Benner 40:49
Yeah, we're talking. We're talking right now in June of 2021. You and I, this won't go out for a while, but the Omni pod five will be out soon. And Dexcom seven, I think will be announced at some point.

Jessica 41:07
Okay, and I said and I think the desktop from what I've seen of the seven it kind of almost looks more like a FreeStyle Libre. Ms. I feel it's not as it's just one piece. Right?

Scott Benner 41:16
Are you a little disk? Disposable you were I think I think it's still 10 days. Okay, I'm not sure. Honestly, like I said that the announcement has an app yet. Kevin's I booked Kevin for the show. Like he'll be on in like 20 days. And he's gonna tell me all about it. But I don't know at that exactly what's happening then. And I wonder too, if you can't get a sample when that comes out to see if it?

Jessica 41:41
That's true, maybe to see if it was something like you said, or just Yeah, yeah. Who knows his body change now that?

Scott Benner 41:47
I don't know. I don't know. Like, I genuinely don't know. I have no idea. Like, I know there's a little wire and it's got some coating on it. And that coating absorbs interstitial fluid and gives you like, I know all that. But I don't I don't know the rest. I don't know if it's going to change enough. Where you might see an improvement. I don't know if it was in John. I think there's no way I know. He's a special he's a special boy. That's all Yeah, John you're interstitial fluid is very very finicky. Did you did you do all the things did you make sure he was hydrated and like get his blood sugar stable? And like

Jessica 42:26
we did every Yeah. So and even you know, talk to Dexcom constantly where you know, okay, is it you know, you even remember being on with one point. Not the CEO but someone from you know, like, bigger above customer service, where it's like, okay, is it in the right spot and trying to you know, do like even a Facebook or like a Zoom meeting? ATOD where it's like, Okay, try different locations. Are we putting it on? Right? Are we you know? No, and it just Yeah, hydrated? Or wait, you know, blood sugar's were perfect. You know, we would, you know, check the meter. And it was like, why is it just not working bad batteries? That receiver? Maybe Maybe it was, you know, constantly. So that is just, you know, for done? Yeah. No, I tried,

Scott Benner 43:05
I would have tried probably would have done the exact same thing. I and I am in the awkward position of accepting very happily ads from Dexcom and having an incredible experience with it. So I not the right person to ask because I don't it works great for us.

Jessica 43:22
No, it does. And that's Yeah, awesome. Eventually, I should reach out for FreeStyle Libre as well for you. You can who needs you can always have more ads.

Scott Benner 43:31
Well, it doesn't work that way, though. Okay, I can't do Ford and Chevy. At the same time. Gotcha. Okay. Ford and Chevy wouldn't like that. That makes sense. All right. I understand. There are some concessions you make when you would you sign deals with people. And one of them might be not to tell somebody about a Mustang when you're in an ad, like I can talk about on the show like we are now I just I couldn't do it. I you know, it's interesting. I think, contractually, I can't do it. But ethically, I wouldn't do it. Like I have a I have a business relationship with them. I wouldn't like go taking money from like, the gas station across the street being like, hey, you can go to Sunoco or golf. I'm happy to tell you about either. Maybe just would seem like a dick move in my like, just me. Okay. No,

Jessica 44:16
you are not you don't know. Don't need to be like that. Yeah,

Scott Benner 44:19
that's all I mean, I could use some more money. Not gonna lie to you about that. But I definitely wouldn't do I wouldn't do that to any advertisers. I get it that just seems

Jessica 44:28
I think we all could use more money. But yeah.

Scott Benner 44:32
Especially you don't even have a job. You just sit it on?

Jessica 44:35
Yeah. Yeah, we, you and I both know that there's always that's that's a full time job. Just being at home. That's

Scott Benner 44:42
Kelly and I were just talking about this the other day, and I said still. I mean, it's now 21 years since I became a stay at home parent right. And back then people who I guess are, were my age now looked at me like I was like a scumbag. But really get, you know, like I was taking advantage of my wife. And it's it's not an easy job like I tried to, I simply say like I haven't seen television when the sun is up in like 20 years. And I don't use that. But it's a good measure, like I'm trying to say like, I don't have time to stop. You know what I mean? Like, there's just my day I get up, and there's something to do. And it leads the next thing to do. And it leads to the next thing and meals and stuff around the house like today, I need to have someone come out and fix my oven. So I will get somebody on the phone and like, we'll talk them through that and they will come and they'll be here like, I'm not fixing the oven, but I'm going to pay bills, and then on standby, laundry to fold like you wouldn't believe. And I think the sheets needs to be stripped off the bed and washed and etc, and etc. And on and on and on. And it's not exciting stuff. It's nothing like real like, oh, I went to the DoD today. And I told that's not exciting sometimes either. But you know what I mean? Like, it doesn't sound like a big deal. Like it's not it's not I went to a bank or I drove a truck, or it's it sounds like you did the laundry. Except no one wants to do the laundry. So, you know, it's not a job that it's, um, it's not a job that a lot of people put stock in as being important, but you know, see how important it is when you can't find clean socks, you know?

Jessica 46:28
Oh, yeah. Now you're or Yeah. Or you forget to make her you know, you're the first person what's for dinner? Yeah, I don't know what is for dinner. Oh,

Scott Benner 46:35
yeah. You want to if you want to know what it feels like to be rejected? Have someone tell you they didn't like dinner five nights in a row? Yes.

Jessica 46:42
Especially if you. We've also had that conversation at the house where it's like, Mom, I feel like you're making the same thing ever. And it's like, yes, every week, I have to have similar things. And I need ideas. anyone's got any ideas besides pizza. Now how many animals

Scott Benner 46:57
do you think there are in vegetables? I always say that. I'm like, they're like, We would like something different. I said, I don't know what you think. But you can eat a cow. A pig?

Jessica 47:09
Yeah, fish. That's about it. Yep. Bugs

Scott Benner 47:12
down on the bottom of the ocean. That's the end. Really. They can be baked, fried, grilled, grilled. Your options are now done there, too. It's just

Jessica 47:24
like, Yep, no. Well, and that's it. So it's fun with so my husband being a teacher, we take turns. So during the summer, those roles get to switch. So and then so by the end of the summer, he's like, Yep, I'm ready. I understand. Yep. So my where he's like, I don't know how you do this. I'm like, I don't know how we do it either. But you just do it. It's maddening

Scott Benner 47:44
sometimes. In the days like blend together, in because you don't leave the house. Or you know what I mean? Like you sometimes don't leave the house. So you have no conscious. Like, at least when you commute, you're like, Okay, well, I drove to work. I drove home.

Jessica 48:01
Yeah, sometimes. And then yeah. Well, and then that I think everyone could probably relate more to to us, because you know, it was COVID that first you know, this first few weeks. I think we all were in a blur. Yeah. It's almost like being on a vacation. But we're not and or we're on vacation. But no one's having fun.

Scott Benner 48:16
Yeah, no, you're on vacation, except the beach blanket is gonna kill you. So just it well. And for all those people who are now thinking like, I'm stuck in my house, I want to get out of here. I have felt like that for 21 years now. Yeah,

Jessica 48:30
yeah. Well, that's what I think there's seven years, I wouldn't change it for the world. But then I think, yeah, if you had to go back to you make that shift, and you're like, Oh, so now I'm on the other end of it being like, I don't know how I did that for seven years. Wow. And, you know, it goes by fast too. So you're like, Well, I can't tell you what happened. Those two people are still alive and hopefully will be great people when they grew up. That's but we won't know yet. So fingers crossed? Well, yeah,

Scott Benner 48:55
that's the other stuff is a lot of it's not measurable, which is how people get away with doing it poorly, too. Because you don't you don't get judged. Every you know, you know, your boss looks over your shoulder sometimes. But if your kid's gonna grow up to be a serial killer, you don't find out until three girls go missing from the park, you know, like so you don't it's not like when they're eight, you're like, Oh, I didn't do a good job today. Or I could have said this instead of that or, you know, maybe it would have been important to teach them to not step on the flowers or whatever it ends up. Like, you know, like, but you don't get judged in the moment. It's the end and what always scared me about it. What would put a lot of I do mean scared like it pressured me into wanting to be a good parent. was the idea that like they're not a house you paint you can't paint it step back and go, Oh, why did we pick orange? You know, and then we'll repaint it again. Like when you step back and they're 25 You're like, oh my god, the kids are prick. Like it's too late then you don't I mean you can't start over so that put a lot of a lot of I do feel like it was pressure like I did not want to screw this up very badly. Like I thought the worst thing I could go through was like the last 25 years of my life looking back going, oh my god, I screwed those human beings up.

Jessica 50:08
You know what? I will say? I think any parents you're right, none of us intentionally want to and that is our last. I don't know, I don't know, especially with your children, my children. We're not sure which spouse of me or my husband, but yeah, strong willed. We are strong willed type a family, which can be good, but can also be extremely challenging at certain intervals.

Scott Benner 50:32
I've had those thoughts. I was like, Why does everyone have an opinion right now?

Jessica 50:35
Yeah. And no one asked you for those opinions. So please,

Scott Benner 50:40
if you want to have an opinion, get a job.

Jessica 50:42
Okay. keep them to yourself. Yes. Yes. There's

Scott Benner 50:45
three small bills. If you pay these, I will let you vote on

Jessica 50:49
you, then you get a voting right. Well, that's it. John. That's where we've been trying to drill. So. Yes, so I have fourth graders, fifth graders who have phones right now who, you know, personal opinion. My fifth grader or soon to be fifth grader does not need a phone. What would you do with a phone now? I can argue yes. For texting and blood sugar. Yes, but the rest of these little fourth and fifth graders? No. So our new one has been you know, you can get a phone when you get a job. You don't have one. So work for buddy. You can go

Scott Benner 51:23
play with that kid. He's not getting a phone. i It's funny when I agree. I'm gonna I'm going to contradict myself. I completely agree with you. And yet my children have headphones since they were tiny and little kindergarten,

Jessica 51:41
that will say okay, different perspective. I mean, Arden again, I mean, if it was more used for I don't know, or, you know, you know, your children. That's No, I

Scott Benner 51:51
don't. Here's what I'm

Jessica 51:53
Yes, you do, Scott.

Scott Benner 51:55
I don't know myself best. But the artists. So when Arden went to kindergarten, like Dexcom, there was no Dexcom. Okay, so we were like, all we could think of was that there was these 20 minutes where Arne would be in transit. That's how it felt. And what if she had a problem on the bus? There's a provision in Ardens 504 plan for how the bus can be stopped. And I can be contacted, like, that's how crazy it felt back then. And we don't we wouldn't do that anymore. She's too old anyway. But but he you know, he did you imagine, but there was there was actually like, there was a there's a there was a a process in place that if Arden were to have a seizure on a bus, that the bus would be stopped. 911 would be called in the school would contact me and give me the location of the bus. Like, that's how like, concerned, we were back then about it. And so we thought what if Arden's feeling low on the bus? And she's five, we'd wanted to be able to call and tell somebody, right? So yeah, that makes sense. So we go to get her a phone. And you know, we're not crazy, and we're not wealthy. So we were just like, here's a flip phone. And we I remember standing in the at&t store, and she couldn't operate it. She just, she didn't like she couldn't like there were too many buttons. He had to scroll through menus. It just it wasn't intuitive. It didn't work. And the iPhone had just come out. Maybe the year or so before. And she picked that thing up and immediately knew how to use it. It was incredibly intuitive. And so my, my five year old had an iPhone, and every parent of every child in the town I live in hated us for it. And I understand. And to them, I say that too bad.

Jessica 53:45
Right? Well, when John Armstrong listened to this podcast when it does come out, not until you get a job, but

Scott Benner 53:52
just like that, John, you went on the phone? Yeah, to get rid of that libre scarier mom a little bit and then

Jessica 53:58
give him idea of Scott. Okay.

Scott Benner 54:01
What's he gonna do with that phone anyway? Some moron talk fall over. It's not a big deal. Yeah, no. Yeah. Although it would be nice if he knew how to listen to a podcast. I'll give you some more downloads.

Jessica 54:14
That's true. I could put them on there for you. Yeah, he probably could figure out I'm sure of the podcasts versus this mother. Yes. Would you please. Oh,

Scott Benner 54:22
sorry. How did you find the podcast? So

Jessica 54:25
surprisingly, we would go to our endocrinologist and it was a nurse who we become best friends with who is also type one. So it's phenomenal working with that nurse. And that's what she said, Have you ever listened to this podcast? I was like, No, I don't do podcasts. You should really try. So I said okay, finally. And yeah, I knew and that's how we started hearing about it. And then you know, so finally had the time when COVID head I said, All right, I'll podcast Let me see.

Scott Benner 54:53
You're not podcasting. You're listening. I'm podcasting. You're okay, sorry.

Jessica 54:57
I am listening to the pod cast.

Scott Benner 55:01
You would have to I have to tell you,

Jessica 55:04
I can't even get the the terminology correct.

Scott Benner 55:08
It's a fascinating that you've had it well, thanks to the person who told you about it and all the healthcare workers who people about the podcast, I'm very grateful for that. But

Jessica 55:17
I mean, I'll say pass it and shared it. We've had, you know, recent friends who've contacted Oh, I know, so and so they just had their child. First thing I say, juicebox.

Scott Benner 55:25
That's very nice. I know a woman who is I love asking people how they find the show, because some of the stories are great. Somebody just told me the woman that does her eyebrows told her about it. I was like, that's the best. Thank you. I just, I just imagine like the wax is on and there. Yeah, that's pretty. Like, have you tried the Juicebox? Podcast?

Jessica 55:46
random conversation? Why not?

Scott Benner 55:49
I am really fast. Did you hear recently the, um, Sofia, the little girl from Russia who found it on?

Jessica 55:56
No. So that is on our so we've been traveling, and I put it in the car. So that is on our next one. We hit the road. Later this week.

Scott Benner 56:05
She's sarcastic and smart, and really like a self starter. And she found that on her own, and got herself all like, directed her mom about the technology she needed and everything. I find that one. Like that was really heartwarming to think that a 14 year old like, like, Wait, I don't want to ruin it for you. But the way she the way she started looking and found the podcast is really something. So

Jessica 56:28
we also just listen to the one to the other day was sneaking food. So that was just trying to have John, you know, just have it consciously in the background. So he can hear it trying to not that we sneak food often. But you know, I think it was good, good reminder to think of you know, making sure I'm not putting things off limit or how I respond of Wait, what's your blood sugar at or, you know, to make him think otherwise? Because you don't know what these little ones sometimes are thinking. Right?

Scott Benner 56:57
That was with Erica. Right. Yes. Good. And

Jessica 57:00
it was fantastic. Just again, helpful. Have you know, again, we have this. So again, technology. So now just Bolus for it or talk to us trying to keep that open line of communication.

Scott Benner 57:09
I like her a lot actually. When she, we did the first couple things we said we were going to do together and she's like, Well, I hope we see each other again. And I was like, Oh, you're not getting out of this that easy. sighs like you're good at this. You'll be back. Don't you worry. But yes, she does a great job.

Jessica 57:26
I mean, and it's just things like those different topics where you're just able to pull out and flush out and you're like, Ah, this is perfect. Or, you know, am I being mindful? Or am I doing this? It's been phenomenal. I mean, a great asset. versus, you know, I don't think I know, there's other people who have maybe there's type one communities, I don't think in our area, there's not as much

Scott Benner 57:48
I like the way you're thinking about it like you're like, like it's background music, almost like you put it on, so that he kind of hears the ideas without it being kind of jammed on his throat. Is that the idea?

Jessica 57:59
Correct? Yes. Or just you know, and I think to to show him that again, it's just not you. There are you know, other people? And you know, other people dealing with different things, whether it be type one or you know, yeah, different issues, things that we can think of. later down the road. I, my husband, at one point, he came home and I said, I just listened to the podcast with Scott and you had a guest on there, who's from Colorado, and he was doing mushrooms and acid tripping and my husband's like, really? Well, you don't know. I was just curious. Something different. It was on in the background.

Scott Benner 58:34
That was the was that the girl that came out to talk about psychedelics? Yes, yes.

Jessica 58:39
He's like, really? Are you listening? Yeah. And I said to I would be interested in taking John in it. I, I've been to Colorado briefly. And I was like, I'm curious. You mentioned about the altitude. Is that true? Would that affect insulin? I don't know.

Scott Benner 58:52
Yeah, it's interesting to hear stuff, like from all over the place where you just like, wow, that's the thing. I go up higher, and my insulin works better. And that happens for some people, or, you know, vice versa. They they're up for up for a while and they come back down and they have a weird change. Yeah, that's tough. I listen, I if your son finds mushrooms off of that podcast, then I should be charging more for my ads because people are really listening. I don't imagine that's how people are gonna, like make the the last session to do a psychedelic

Jessica 59:26
like really? Yes, I was on I was on this podcast talking about

Scott Benner 59:31
i Well, you know, what I loved about her is that she? She so earnestly just wanted to make sure people's drugs were safe.

Jessica 59:37
She was responsible and I think everyone you know, again, and she, I would argue, you know, I can use your government lingo. She was a subject matter expert, SME

Scott Benner 59:48
She was She definitely had the information I didn't have. So

Jessica 59:52
I was just like, wow, okay, although

Scott Benner 59:54
she's she's, there was one time so I rolled with her fine, right I thought I thought Everything she was doing was really cool. But she's she's, I got I was gobsmacked one time, because like we were pretty far through the episode and I was like, so you don't do any harder drugs, right? And she has no. Well, cocaine. And I was like, wait, what?

Jessica 1:00:15
That's kind of Yeah. Wow. Yeah.

Scott Benner 1:00:17
I was like how do you how do you grade your schedules of drugs? That's like, I think that's pretty harsh. No. But she's like, Nah, not if you do it right. I was like, Okay. I might have to disagree with you there. But it was, um, he's just, I just in general think it's super interesting to listen to people with different perspectives. You know, if somebody just comes on and agrees with you all the time. I don't, I don't get what that does. And, you know, you want people from different walks of life so you can hear things. I never thought I'd hear somebody answer the question. You don't do hard drugs with no, I don't. But I do cocaine. Like, I just never thought that would happen. So I was like, wow, that was really interesting. You know, different perspectives are good. Yeah. You know, the perspective that I can't seem to nail down on the show is being imprisoned with diabetes. That yeah, that I don't, I am trying so hard to get somebody who's been like, like, not just like, you know, in the county lockup, but in prison. Actually, with that, I get so close. And then it never, I can never get it to workout. So they either have like parole issues, or they get scared about like, there's something at the

Jessica 1:01:30
end, maybe, yeah, maybe putting their name to it. I've been

Scott Benner 1:01:33
through it with a number of people and I can never get somebody to record. So one day.

Jessica 1:01:39
That would be that would be interesting.

Scott Benner 1:01:41
Imagine, like, like, how do you do that? Yeah,

Jessica 1:01:47
how would you do that? There's actually I saw a horrible movie about that a while ago, I don't know, horrible movie about. It wasn't that good of a movie, but that's how it was, I guess the wife somewhat committed, they think committed a murder and she ended up we're like, oh, and but she's at one point, you're injecting an MDI, into her leg. And you're like, oh, he has diabetes, and she ends up going to prison. And that's how the husband is able to help her escape.

Scott Benner 1:02:11
Wait a minute, what movie was this?

Jessica 1:02:13
I don't know. I'm gonna have to Google it and send it to

Scott Benner 1:02:16
my googling.

Jessica 1:02:17
Okay, you you do have your Google Maps, Google Google skills. I'm trying to think it was in it

Scott Benner 1:02:23
was Adrian Brody and Forest Whitaker in it? Possibly, yeah, possibly. Those are two pretty obvious people you would know.

Jessica 1:02:31
You know, I don't know people. I'm sorry. I don't watch a whole bunch of movies. That

Scott Benner 1:02:34
makes it worse. If

Jessica 1:02:37
it was one of those nights. You're sitting up on a Friday night you're like, you know, hey, let's Amazon something. You know, the kids are in bed, and we ended up on this movie, and you're just like, What in the world? But yeah, he ended up breaking out of prison. They had a kid I think I 1.2 I'm rambling and it sounds horrible.

Scott Benner 1:02:54
Oh, we're gonna try one more time prison movie.

Jessica 1:02:59
I need to google it to be these present.

Scott Benner 1:03:03
Maybe I keep getting the experiment.

Jessica 1:03:08
I'll pull it down and see what it shows me up. Saving senior pictures.

Scott Benner 1:03:16
The next three days.

Jessica 1:03:20
The next few days, let me I'm pulling up now. But yes, he ends up because she's diabetic. He's able to mess with her blood sugar. Like report or something. And through that she goes, you know, he's able she's been hospitalized because they think she's going into DKA. And then he breaks in through the hospital.

Scott Benner 1:03:41
Is it the next three days do we have it has to be it has to be? I feel like you don't know. Hold on a second.

Jessica 1:03:46
Hang on the next three days.

Scott Benner 1:03:50
With Russell Crowe.

Jessica 1:03:52
Now was Russell Crowe in it? Yes. It was Russell Crowe. Yes. Okay.

Scott Benner 1:03:55
And you're saying this was not a good movie? I mean, what do you think? Are you afraid Russell Crowe is gonna hear this.

Jessica 1:04:04
You might be listening. No, it was just kind of you look anything like oh, I mean, I would say it's entertaining. How's that? I don't know. Maybe? Like, I don't do a whole bunch of movies. So it's kind of like alright, you know, well, something we sat and watch and you're like, I think from a diabetic you're like, Ah, wow, she shot that, that MDI and that quick, she'd even hold it for three seconds you know, stuff like that. But

Scott Benner 1:04:25
here's what it says on Rotten Tomatoes. Russell Crowe and Elizabeth Banks give it their all but their solid performances aren't quite enough to compensate for the next three days uneven paced and implausible plot well yep, I would say that's that's sums it up in fairness one of every two people that saw it like that. By the way, also on my Google search page when I Googled prison movie diabetes I got what disease this Kristen Stewart have in panic room. Ah, now I want to know all those I just did not tell you all

Jessica 1:05:00
You have to see it. Well, not only

Scott Benner 1:05:02
that, but that's bullshit. Now I have to bleep out my, my. But I say, because how does he? Seriously it's too late. You missed it. Alright, well now we'll never know what disease Kristen Stewart had in panic room.

Jessica 1:05:16
But after a look later, we'll look it up.

Scott Benner 1:05:19
I don't care anymore. I'm letting it go.

Jessica 1:05:22
There you go. Let it go.

Scott Benner 1:05:23
I like these episodes where nobody talks about anything. And

Jessica 1:05:27
so now after I get off the kids gonna be like, Why don't you talk about?

Scott Benner 1:05:30
Tell them? Nothing? I would, I would say we mostly talked about how you're not getting a cell phone.

Jessica 1:05:35
Yes. Well, that's it. So there you go. There's your title right there. No cell phone till you get a job. Yes. pretty much

Scott Benner 1:05:42
gonna be Hayden planetary was almost Kristen Stewart in panic room, which is something I also learned the girl from

Jessica 1:05:52
and now you have a movie that you and your wife can watch later.

Scott Benner 1:05:54
Oh, yeah, I definitely want to see a movie that even though the actors tried really hard, so

Jessica 1:06:00
they tried. It counts. Right? Good parenting, you try.

Scott Benner 1:06:08
No, you know, you should tell you something you can offer you should be like, Scott told me that you said to him, you were gonna stare at me and try to make me feel bad. And make him think I didn't say it backwards.

Jessica 1:06:19
So beforehand, we're getting ready to go on a bike ride. It's like 915 like, alright, you know, I'm down to the wire on schedule. So like, right, we're going up quick bike ride ride around. So John's like, can I be on the podcast? I was like, you might say that my daughter was like that. I want to be on it too. Well, what would you say? She's like, I don't know. I have to live with him. Like, alright, well, that's fair. And they just started bickering about it. Like, not even on the podcast yet. Let's take a deep breath.

Scott Benner 1:06:46
Your kids on a bike ride before you're going to be on a podcast? Well, I

Jessica 1:06:49
figured I needed to clear my mind. We need to you know, we're at. So we're visiting family right now hanging out for Tony Ren, South Carolina. So you know, it's just nice. Everyone had breakfast? Everyone get out. Let's all just bike around. Look around a little island. I've been just kind of bike around. I think hopefully again, get the get the endorphins go in. It's not a bad thing. And it's not hot yet. So

Scott Benner 1:07:13
it's so hot here today. I Oh, listen to me. It's gonna be hot here then. Oh, boy. Yeah, I'd be I don't know where you're staying. But they got a rock solid internet connection. And I appreciate that. I will let them know. Thank you. Thank you. Hey, listen, if your daughter wants to come on here at the end and trash your son, it's okay with me.

Jessica 1:07:31
That's gonna be it. Yeah. So, uh, my daughter, Elizabeth is seven.

Scott Benner 1:07:37
He matches she jumped on here. And she's like, can I speak candidly? That kids?

She's just like it. I'll tell you another thing. She starts like trashing you.

Jessica 1:07:51
Yeah, that one. She's that one. That one's gone on. 20. Um, well, now that's her big thing. And so now we deal with that. So get that we're watching for her. I'm hoping nothing comes out of it. But so, you know, Donald be like, I'm low. And he is low legitimately. So I give him juice. And she'll be like, Yep, I'm low to mom pass some juice over. And I'm like, Yes, you can have a little juice to uh huh.

Scott Benner 1:08:16
I heard somewhere the other day that like to juice boxes is the sugar equivalent of how much sugar a person ate in a week, like 100 years ago or something like that? I don't remember the exact numbers. But it was a startling idea. Do you worry about her getting type one.

Jessica 1:08:33
Do I mean every now and then we had to be too I would say probably. You know, two years ago, we were in Boston visiting as we were making our way up to Maine. And she just kept sucking water down and I'm like, Okay, again, it's hot. But then at one point, just getting paranoia was starting to set in. So I remember sitting in the hotel room. And John's trying to talk to because we're like, we're gonna prick your finger. And she's, you know, he's like, it's not gonna hurt her child. I'm sure people thought we were murdering her bloody murder was screaming and she was fine. But it you know, John's like, we I do this every day. What's your problem? She's like, Are you sure it's fine.

Scott Benner 1:09:12
By the way? Anyone who thinks that doesn't hurt is out of their mind. I I do it. Semi frequently. I get here. Yeah, just you know, I you know, I didn't for years. I very purposefully when Arden was little, because we were testing so much. Oh my god, like 10 times a day or more. Yeah, that's where we're at. Yeah, so I very purposely never tested my blood sugar or even pricked my finger. Because I remember telling my wife and feeling very earnestly that if I know what it feels like, I don't know that I'm going to be able to do it to her. So yes, probably. So I was like no and but now I do it a lot. And there are times where you're just like wow, did that needle hit the bone in my middle of my finger like you know what I mean? Like it really feels like I know it doesn't like I'm being you know, sarcastic but it like if sometimes it hits you know, well Okay, you know, like kids a nerve or something that's actually for a second.

Jessica 1:10:05
Yeah, they'll wake you up. Well, that's what thankfully, John, pretty much. I think that's where that type A, thankfully came in for both of you know, with me and him i being at home at the time, it was me and him going at it. I mean, my husband was at work, and that's where it's like, I can do it. Or you can do it. He's like, No, I totally want to do it. And he took that on pretty quick. Yeah, but yeah, there were times we were saying way of, okay, let's how, you know, trying to learn how to draw syringes, and you know, sticking yourself or purposely or accidentally, it happens. And just trying to understand,

Scott Benner 1:10:35
so last night, yesterday, in general, I'll let you go in a second. But yesterday, Arden went to the beach with her friends. So she's getting ready to leave the house and she's got supplies with her, you know, and I said, I think there's only like 45 minutes left in your pod? Do you want to change it now before you go or run the risk of having to change it while you're out? And she's like, I'll just change the oil amount if I have to. And I was like, okay, she's like, I don't think I'm gonna need 45 minutes today. And I was like, okay, so she left. 20 minutes later, she texts me. The pod just expired on time. I was like, Wait, it's expired, or it just reached it's like, because the pot is an eight hour grace period.

Jessica 1:11:14
Okay, that's why I was just gonna ask the same time like, so it was.

Scott Benner 1:11:18
She's like, it has a more out. She's texting me. It has eight more hours, right? That's okay, you're good. So they go to the beach, where I mean, she's not going to need a ton of insulin there. And then, but they went to a restaurant afterwards, she got like a waffle or something. She's with her like all of her girlfriends. And that was still fine there. But she gets home and she's like, she goes, my pot has a unit left in it. I have to change it. And I was like, okay, so she's doing it. She's like, give me a hand for a second. I started to walk over and like, actually, I can you get mom to do this, like, I got to run. So like I kind of took off. I couldn't help her. And I heard her say to Kelly, it's okay, I got it. Which was like the I don't want you to hear me on this. Like she does not trust Kelly for some

Jessica 1:12:01
Oh, well, I think there's I mean, there is that one parent who it just naturally falls on. So it's the same thing. Like he'll change out his pot, and I'm just watching or you know, and yeah,

Scott Benner 1:12:13
yeah. I'm sure my wife can do it fine. But at the same time, she's not accustomed to it either. I actually did get to watch them do a Dexcom together over facetime when I was away recently. And it was like an Abbott and Costello routine. I wish I could have recorded that. It was just a lot of Mom. Mom. Mom. I'll do. It's okay.

Jessica 1:12:35
I try it. That's what I tried to mind, John. And he's like, you're not doing it. Right. I'm like, I don't know. You don't know either. Let's just we're trying. Okay. Give your mom slack. Trying

Scott Benner 1:12:45
your 10 and I used to work at the DOD. So calm down.

Jessica 1:12:51
To your fire. Yeah. You my own children. Can you let me do this now

Scott Benner 1:12:55
you can. But it's looked upon very unfavorably by society. Yeah, man. Yeah. I mean, you could just abandon them at a strip mall or something like that

Jessica 1:13:05
now? Yeah. Never heard the end of that.

Scott Benner 1:13:08
never hear the end of that. Would you never hear the end of it from? No, no, no, I don't know. Who would complain most if you abandoned one of your children.

Jessica 1:13:17
I'm sure I have a list of people. Yeah, no, I'm kidding.

Scott Benner 1:13:20
Is there anything that we didn't talk about that we should have?

Jessica 1:13:23
I can't imagine I'm trying to think other email what I sent to you my email,

Scott Benner 1:13:28
emails, like I just got on the pod. I hope this will be a fun conversation.

Jessica 1:13:31
I was like, Yeah, well, okay. Well, there you go. It was awesome. Fun. No, I think I mean, I think you think the Omnipod is awesome. I can't, I think by the bodkin because of podcasts and because of you an awesome, I appreciate

Scott Benner 1:13:42
that. i You have it all dialed in. Now it's doing what you needed to do.

Jessica 1:13:46
I think so. I mean, like I said, there's still a lot of it. I know it's us. If I obviously like said I'm trying to calculate for that exercise, or I didn't Bolus correctly. So but I would say overall, I mean, our numbers are coming out better. And I think that's where we when we hit it, we were coming out of the honeymoon phase. And then I think we've been more and now summer I think we all goes maybe should have stopped but I feel like it's a wave like Christmas. Well, Christmas is just full of junk. You know, you have Thanksgiving, Halloween, it just keeps going and then you know, summer hits. So I usually more junk than what we normally you know, but we're happy with

Scott Benner 1:14:23
it. Also more sedentary a colder times a year, going down as much. You know, it's not being torture for that soccer, I would imagine.

Jessica 1:14:32
Yeah, well, that soccer has been a while so then that's taekwondo or other things that we're trying to you know, just be active force. You know, bike rides, go.

Scott Benner 1:14:40
Are they doing that stuff again? Look, can you do taekwondo again?

Jessica 1:14:43
We just yeah, we're starting to open up so everything I mean, and that's what so again, different where we were. Our school was open and then in person all year. Oh, cool. Did he Did he go? He did he did so we weren't sure read a bunch of things. And it was kind of like, you know, wear your mask, wash our hands and see how this goes. But yeah, Taekwondo has been open. And just, you know, I think everyone's trying to be out and be more active when you're at home. Anyways. Yeah, that's what we try to do.

Scott Benner 1:15:16
I think I think that you'll see some people can see a difference with hot weather, cold weather with inactivity, more activity, but you just kind of adjust from it. And

Jessica 1:15:26
yeah, or we're at the beach. We're at the beach yesterday. So blood sugar, you seem to regulate itself. We're in the pool. So more importantly, right now they're like, do you still have your parts on? Because I'm, you know, I don't want to lose a part if I don't have to. I don't want to lose, you know. So it's been taped up pretty good. So far. It's holding, but I graded

Scott Benner 1:15:42
it. Sounds like you guys are doing pretty well.

Jessica 1:15:45
Yeah, I would say for I guess what's been two, three years. You said still still fairly young, but still trying?

Scott Benner 1:15:51
No, I mean, it does. You have a good attitude. And you know, we you sharing a one two with me, Howard. Okay, so

Jessica 1:15:57
I've been cheating. We haven't, we've gone up a little. I've been cheating. We've been cheating on the agency. I've been using, you know, whatever the that app is to tell me what it is. I haven't really, every time I tried to get blood drawn to get it up for the agency or endo spend doing the zoom thing for the last year. So we've been sending reports. So we've gone up right now I think we're at 6.8. Because our last which is to me it was a little higher than what I want. So

Scott Benner 1:16:24
yeah, I mean, listen, it's not it's a good day. One thing. I don't know what you're upset about.

Jessica 1:16:28
Okay. Well, that's I didn't know anything under seven. Right? Listen,

Scott Benner 1:16:33
for me, it's as low as you can get it without having lows. That's how I think of it.

Jessica 1:16:37
Okay, that makes sense. Well, I remember when we first got it, he was like, five something and they're like, that's too low for a one. See?

Scott Benner 1:16:45
Listen, you can get if you can get a lower a one see without having long, protracted or dangerous lows throughout the day, then I think that's great. If you're still learning how to do stuff, which it seems like you are a little bit yeah, a six eight is not. It's nothing to be ashamed of. Certainly. It's a it's a really solid A onesie. I would think there's room in there for you to to bring the number down. Yeah,

Jessica 1:17:09
no, I think certificate comes. Yeah. And I think that's what more experienced as well as just are making those adjustments. I think you guys probably with more of the Dexcom because it's constantly you're getting wet that every five minutes where I have to be, we say beacon where I have to check it physically. And then it's just being sometimes frickin forgetful. Or, you know, hey, you just got that any 15 minutes? Let's, you know, or we find you know, making sure and bolusing far enough for him. Yeah, kids ready to eat.

Scott Benner 1:17:37
That's the little stuff, like remembering that, honestly, if your Basal is right, you remember to Pre-Bolus you understand the difference between the impacts of, you know, one carb to the next. I think that's an A one c in this, you know, in the coming down, yeah, in the low sixes and then getting into the fives if you're going to eat like a standard kind of American diet is knowing how to be aggressive around certain foods, not not abiding high blood sugars, meaning like you don't see a 140 and disco, you know, after this TV show, although like you just like go 140 you smack it get rid of Well, that's

Jessica 1:18:12
what we're trying to catch it I think, is where yeah, in advance of because you get you know, you know what it's like, in the normal day of routine of things, and you know, okay, and it's gonna kick in, or I do like the Omnipod it does that correction factor already are telling me how much I OB you have on. So that's been helpful. So that way, I'm not continuing to flush with insulin and okay, I need to wait for it to go through. And then so working that with John, which I don't have that much on, just wait a second.

Scott Benner 1:18:37
Let me to fry your mind a little. Yes, sure. Okay, the insulin on board is a dummy setting. That makes its calculation based on how many hours your endo told the pump. Insulin, I can change it right. And but you have to find what, what is true. So

Jessica 1:18:58
based on him, like how long it takes to run through his system, or right,

Scott Benner 1:19:02
like if you think if you think insulin, there's a lot of different ways to think about it. But if you think insulin lasts in a system for four hours, then you set that you set that setting it for hours, right? This is this is how long the insulin lasted the system. And then if two hours after you've bolused His blood sugar's to 50 because you completely, you know, missed on the food. The things still gonna think yes, insulin on board. Ah, so that's an example of okay, so try to imagine this 10 carbs of some simple like easy, digestible food, right? And then 10 carbs of I don't know, rice and Chinese food. So the rice and Chinese food is going to need more insulin likely than this regular taxi to diagnose food, digest food, but you just put in time carbs because you count the 10 carbs. So in the case of the easy digestible food, it works great. Put in 10 carbs, a little bit of a Pre-Bolus. You don't spike too much. You don't get low later. Yay, my insulin to carb ratio works great. But then you have Chinese food and you count the carbs. You put in the insulin and you spike anyway and you stay high. Well, it's not that your insulin to carb ratio is messed up, it's that it doesn't work for Chinese food.

Jessica 1:20:25
Correct. So that's when I'm gonna be more aggressive, more aggressive as well as with Omni pod. I can do what is up the extent

Scott Benner 1:20:32
you can ended Bolus you could do a Temp Basal increase. There are lots of ways to get insulin in there. But the point is, if you count the carbs put in the insulin gets super high. And an hour later when he's 300. Tell it? You know, I want to correct it'll say no, you still have insulin on board and board. Okay. Right. So you do have insulin on board. It's just not enough insulin for Chinese food.

Jessica 1:20:52
Correct. Okay, so just again, being mindful of what you're eating. Yeah.

Scott Benner 1:20:56
The pro tip about glycemic load and glycemic index goes through that really kind of carefully. But but in my mind, it's, it's Basal Pre-Bolus glycemic load index, and then staying flexible. If you can do those four things is a one CLB all low sixes

Jessica 1:21:14
that'd be Well, I mean, I think that's I think that's what we're all wanting, and obviously, because of that, what the helps extend later, correct. Yeah, I mean, yeah, no, I

Scott Benner 1:21:26
mean, listen, it's just it's a, it's an N, you're not going to be rushed to it. Like you can listen to those episodes, those prototype episodes. And I think they'll get you to it more quickly. But you still have to live through the experiences to have real world examples to try to point to. And so that's, that's the game is learn as much as you can keep trying stuff. You know, it'll work

Jessica 1:21:52
out. Perfect. That's it well, and keep laughing. Thanks, Scott.

Scott Benner 1:21:56
Oh, that's my job. The rest of Yes. Yes.

Jessica 1:22:00
I appreciate it. Thank you.

Scott Benner 1:22:01
You're very welcome. I'm super glad you did this. I appreciate you taking the time.

Jessica 1:22:05
Oh, anytime. This was fun. Thank you. You have a good one.

Scott Benner 1:22:09
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