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Scott Benner 0:00
Hello, everybody, and welcome to Episode 396 of the Juicebox Podcast. Today's show is with David. And David is the father of a little girl who has type one diabetes. His mom also has type one, and he's divorced from his daughter's mother. So this is a little bit about a blended family. It's a little bit about finding your way. And we tried to figure out how David could take the care that he's able to provide for his daughter and transfer to some of our caregivers. I'm going to tell you a little bit more about this episode in just a moment. But first, I'm genuinely excited to tell you that

this show is sponsored today by the glucagon that my daughter carries g Vogue hypo men Find out more at G Vogue glucagon.com forward slash juice box. The Juicebox Podcast is also sponsored by the Contour Next One blood glucose meter and touched by type one, you can find out more about touched by type one touched by type one.org, or on their Facebook and Instagram pages. And of course, to learn more about Arden's blood glucose meter Contour Next one.com forward slash juicebox.

I know I already explained most of this episode to you at the very beginning, but I want to make sure that you understand that David's daughter has one of the more interesting diagnosis stories I've ever heard. involves an airplane and intrigue, it's good. Please remember, while you're listening that nothing you hear on the Juicebox Podcast should be considered advice, medical or otherwise, please always consult a physician before making changes to your health care plan for becoming bold with insulin.

We referenced COVID-19 in this a little bit and the reason is, we recorded this in very early April 2020. So it was all very fresh. I didn't even have a mask at that point. So just to give you a little context.

Unknown Speaker 2:54
My name is David. I've got three kids, and my oldest is diabetic.

Scott Benner 3:00
Are we gonna say your oldest name? handle? Okay, how old is Hannah? She's eight, eight. What? How old was she when she was diagnosed? She was 770. So this has been very new then.

Unknown Speaker 3:16
Yeah, we're, we just hit our year. It was December of last year.

Unknown Speaker 3:21
Not recently last year, but the year before that. I think

Scott Benner 3:24
so she's she's Well, she's indoor second year by a few months, then. Yeah, she's got. Okay. How is she making out?

Unknown Speaker 3:31
She's done. All right. She's fine.

Scott Benner 3:34
Was it an emotional shift for that you could see or?

Unknown Speaker 3:38
Yes, there the first. There are a lot of things going on. Not just the diabetes. We had a we had a new baby. And we just switched custody from her mom to me, literally, within days of the diagnosis. So there was a lot of change for everyone. Yeah. So right at that same time,

Scott Benner 4:02
so let's get there. Oh, wait, wait, hold on. So we're around Christmas. First of all, she's changing custody. Her and her siblings are coming from living with your mom full time and to living with you full time. Yeah, gotcha. And you're remarried.

Unknown Speaker 4:20
Yes, I'm already married and have another daughter, a one year old.

Scott Benner 4:25
And when was that daughter born?

Unknown Speaker 4:30
About a week after

Unknown Speaker 4:33
December 27. Peace cific but about a week after Hannah's diagnosis.

Scott Benner 4:40
So Christmas, the birth of your daughter changing custody of your two other children. all in the same frame of time.

Unknown Speaker 4:50
Yes,

Scott Benner 4:51
yeah. So there were emotional things.

Unknown Speaker 4:54
Yeah. Yeah, it was a it was a tough ride

Unknown Speaker 4:58
everything smoothed out and Worked out just fine.

Unknown Speaker 5:02
And they they're used to being with me there are. I mean, they're here before the custody a lot,

Scott Benner 5:09
right? It's not like you were an absentee father and then all of a sudden, like in a bad movie, they'd somebody dropped them on your doorstep. It wasn't like that.

Unknown Speaker 5:16
Not right. Not Not at all. Gotcha.

Scott Benner 5:19
happen. How about for you? Do you remember how you felt in the moment?

Unknown Speaker 5:26
The moment I

Scott Benner 5:27
found out, I mean, yeah, I just yeah, finding out about a diabetes diagnosis for your daughter. At the same time, you're having more children, all this stuff is going on? Did you pick something to focus on? Or like, how did you handle that? Well, I,

Unknown Speaker 5:43
at the moment, I was scared, because I thought that my mom's my mom's also a diabetic. And I thought that it would be the same kind of journey that my mom has had, which has been really rough for her. So, you know, even before I got to the urgent care, you know, talk to my dad told him the symptoms, like what told him what's going on with Hannah? And he's like, oh, oh, crap. She's got she's got diabetes.

Unknown Speaker 6:16
I just, I was in shock. Yeah.

Scott Benner 6:19
Your mom has type one.

Unknown Speaker 6:21
Yes, she does.

Unknown Speaker 6:24
How long?

Scott Benner 6:25
Not that I want to dig farther into your mom's business because she's not here. But how long has she had type one?

Unknown Speaker 6:31
Since she was 15.

Scott Benner 6:33
Okay. And so she's Wow. So I'm gonna random guess at your mom's age and say your mom's had diabetes since the 50s. Or 60s instead about fair? Correct? Yeah. Okay. So management a little different than back then. But that's the world you got to grow up seeing diabetes. So what do you remember seeing in your house as a child?

Unknown Speaker 6:56
So and that's that, I guess that goes into my emotional journey and baggage with what I used to think diabetes? was back then I remember, you know, helping her she couldn't see colors very well. her eyesight was not the best. So I had to help her color match. Now, I don't know what timeframe this was, we had to figure out help her with her blood sugar. And when she put a little drop of blood on the test strip, it would change colors and color match it to something. That's probably my earliest, earliest memories.

Scott Benner 7:31
Yeah. So your mom basically come up to you saying go, but colors this and based on that answer, decides her treatment? Yes. Does that feel pressuring? Do you remember that as a kid, or was it just part of life?

Unknown Speaker 7:44
That was just part of life now?

Unknown Speaker 7:48
Oh, I'll share this. About my mom, she she would over manage her diabetes and and overdo the insulin quite often. And so it was, it was not uncommon to get off the school bus and see your past out on the floor. Wow.

Scott Benner 8:06
Would you have any idea how long she'd been there?

Unknown Speaker 8:09
No, no, I'd see her on the floor. Come on, come off the bus here on the floor and either call 911 when I was younger, and then later in elementary school, I had to learn how to give her shots.

Scott Benner 8:24
So is it fair to say that as your daughter's diagnosed, this is what you are thinking diabetes is?

Unknown Speaker 8:30
Yes. Do you got

Scott Benner 8:32
an extra unfair diagnosis story?

Unknown Speaker 8:36
At times, I wish I knew nothing about it.

Scott Benner 8:38
I'm thinking because what you knew is is so antiquated. It really didn't. didn't apply specifically. Wow. I'm sorry. I really am sorry. That's a that's that does not sound fun. Like I just didn't know anything. You know, you start piecing it together as they're talking. But the stuff that's scary. doesn't have a face in the moment. You don't I mean, it certainly doesn't have a child's memory of their of their mother on the floor. So you got stuck there, man. Jeez.

Unknown Speaker 9:07
Oh, by the way, my mom's doing great. Now she's, she's alive and well. And she figured

Scott Benner 9:14
so has there before we move on to Hana? Has there been any reciprocal goodness for your mom, like from the things you've learned over the last year? Okay, does it translate back there she ever like wow, you seem to be handling this Really? Well. Please tell me what you're doing David? Or does she just have it?

Unknown Speaker 9:33
I can't say there. There was no she my mom will go through years. Like cycles. I guess. She does better than better some monster years at a time and then she'll go through a rough patch.

Scott Benner 9:49
What does that look like a rough patch just like would you call that burnout what people call burnout or

Unknown Speaker 9:55
I would say be the opposite.

Scott Benner 9:58
Oh, she she's super great. She gets low.

Unknown Speaker 10:01
Yeah, she's hypo lysine, that kind of where she'll just get low pass out or argue with you and tell you I'm not alone.

Scott Benner 10:12
Well, it's not funny, but you know, I hear what you're saying. I guess I've, I've had arguments with people before when they're, you know, they're smaller than me. And they're telling me, I'm fine.

Unknown Speaker 10:22
Yeah, let's drink the juice. And we'll talk.

Scott Benner 10:25
You just just please just drink that. Oh, my gosh. So all right. Did Hannah have any preconceived notions? through your mother that you know of?

Unknown Speaker 10:37
You know, I don't? I don't think so. She's pretty honest. Yeah, she's pretty young. So it? Probably not. I guess they connect at some level, like, Hannah was like, Hey, I got diabetes, like you. And sometimes they're over there now actually get schools out.

Unknown Speaker 10:58
Sometimes they'll check their blood sugar together or whatever.

Scott Benner 11:01
What What is your daughter using to manage? As far as like technology goes?

Unknown Speaker 11:07
She's got the dexcom and Omni pod. Does your mom have any gear? She's got the new Medtronic. 670. Okay. She's wishing she had the ducks golf. I bet your shoes.

Scott Benner 11:21
Jenny and I are gonna record later this week about how to manage with that 670. And I'm interested to see how that goes. Because most of the information is going to come from Jenny, obviously. And, and I don't think Anyway, we'll find out how it goes. But I hope your mom gets what she wants eventually. So I just wanted to see the you know, I just wanted to be able to set the picture in my mind for what's going on and how everything is. So you reached out to be on the show. And David, I'm sorry. We met in in Atlanta.

Unknown Speaker 11:52
Very briefly, I didn't come up and say hi, because you had like two or three people around you. But you came to a jdrf. weekend in Atlanta, but about a month or two ago?

Scott Benner 12:04
Yeah. It's a good event. I just couldn't remember if we said hello directly or not, there was a few whirlwind moments where I was just making eye contact and chatting. And, you know, it's, it's sometimes it's difficult when they're when people are coming at you all at once.

Unknown Speaker 12:20
I didn't come up to you because you had other people around.

Scott Benner 12:24
Well, David, you're you're the first person I think that I've ever interviewed who's in their vehicle with a reflective vest on. So you're a real man, you weren't gonna bother me in this situation. I see that. Thank you. So you contacted me by email. And you were kind of responding to something I say on the podcast a lot, which is, I think if people get to this kind of information early enough in their diagnosis, they don't need to struggle as much for as long. And that ends up being your situation. So can you tell me how you how you found the podcast after Hannah's diagnosis.

Unknown Speaker 13:08
So yeah, I was determined.

Unknown Speaker 13:11
Pretty shortly after diagnosis, maybe a few weeks a month, I started reading anything I can get my hands on, read it listening to other podcasts and YouTube videos.

Unknown Speaker 13:22
About I stumbled across yours

Unknown Speaker 13:26
and started listening to it not a little opinionated. But you've got you got some good ideas and concepts here. And you just grew up in,

Scott Benner 13:39
like mold. You're saying sort of like mold or? I've grown on you? Yeah, excellent. I'll listen, I'll take that. You know, I don't want to give the secret away to the other podcasts that are all trying to make everyone happy. But an opinion is sort of important. If you're going to broadcast your voice or ideas towards people, you know that you can, yeah, people can agree or disagree or like you or not like you. That's all well and good.

Unknown Speaker 14:06
I appreciate the authenticity there. Thank you. Are there other podcasts that are some sunshine and rainbows? And I just I didn't really connect.

Scott Benner 14:18
I just listened I have a very specific idea of what it is to communicate with people. And I think that if I spend my entire time trying to make everyone who could possibly be listening, happy, keep them on offended or whatever I that's a fool's errand. It really is. I only I know what I know. I know how I feel. And if you connect with it, like right on and if not, I mean, you know, move, go somewhere else that's cool with me, you know, I'm not trying to keep you here. You know, against your will. So that's, that's excellent. So it was management ideas. I'm assuming management ideas allows you to stay long enough to be let's say wooed by my lovely and sparkling personal And then, because you weren't you were you weren't hanging for Scott. In the beginning, you were like, hey, he said something interesting about using insulin.

Unknown Speaker 15:07
Yeah. So you had a lot of concepts. I knew the basics even before this, because I've seen my mom do it. Count carbs give insulin. But there's a lot of concepts, you go over that

Unknown Speaker 15:20
in, like, in a in depth detail that

Unknown Speaker 15:24
they do teach at our children's hospital. But it's just hard for somebody brand new to absorb it all. Yeah, in a week. And you need

Scott Benner 15:32
what so what what's valuable there is that the repetition is it being able to go to it in your own time, what makes this format better?

Unknown Speaker 15:42
There's that where, you know, having a little bit of time from that initial shock is helpful. I've noticed with me, I can only digest a little bit of new information at a time apply it, try it out. And quite frankly, I think it's the entertainment. I mean, you had me laughing,

Unknown Speaker 16:03
countless pod podcast,

Unknown Speaker 16:06
I love that

Scott Benner 16:07
I will listen, you know, very privately, I said to my wife in the beginning, if this is going to work, it just can't be dry and medicine, right? You can't be on your reading lists and saying stuff like that to people, or, you know, this is this, this episode's gonna end up being a roadmap for other people trying to do this, which maybe is okay. And maybe I would like you guys to stay here and listen to me. But I've, I grew up and came through the blogging world around diabetes. And I have always thought that the biggest mistake people make with blogs is that they start out in a personal voice. The blog is very clearly made in someone's living room or bedroom, or, you know, they definitely did it in their underwear at two o'clock in the morning, when they had the time. And then the blog finds a little bit of success in you know, in the in the way of clicks. And then once they have somebody listening, they change the blog, they shine it up and make it look professional, which just then looks like you know, a PR company for a pharmaceutical firm, put it together. And now all of a sudden, you're everybody else. And so they abandon what got them there. And what people liked about it in some weird, I don't know, idea that they should now become a business. They're a real thing. I think it's money. I think they're like, well, I'm gonna make money with this. So I have to make it nicer. And then they drive away the people who were there to listen, it just be yourself. That's why they're there. You know. And I think the same thing about this, I put out a podcast that I can listen to. And that that's important to me. I've you know, there are other ones, I very, I'm being 100% honest, I don't listen to any of them. But at a time or two through the years, someone's come to me, sometimes it's business people or that I do business with or other people are like, Hey, did you hear someone say this and you know, I'll listen to a minute or two. And even as a minute or two is running, and I'm a little bit of a snob about you know, radio entertainment. So you know, somebody that you can hear that you can't see. And if I start getting bored, my I check out like there's a voice in my head Yellin, shut this off, you know, get get rid of this. And I hear that a lot. When people bring me those clips, I'm just like, oh, they're droning or they, you know, they're trying to sound like, you know, I don't know, like, you know, they're talking like a news anchor. It's like, Hi, how are you? And I'm like, Oh, my God, no one talks like that stop, you know? Yeah. So Well, I appreciate that it found you and and that you connected with it. Man is

Unknown Speaker 18:50
good. The reason I was reaching out reached out to you is also the is I don't hear a lot of blended families with diabetes, or single dads are not single anymore. But dads are who are their primary caretaker. So I thought I'd reach out and just share my experience. Well,

Scott Benner 19:10
how did you brought that up? Because that's exactly where I was going next. Because you have no idea how many people want a story to they want to hear a story about either a blended family or you know, somebody who's You know, there's a divorce situation where the child goes back and forth, and it's being done successfully. So let's ask first, do you share custody does Hannah go back to our mom, sometimes. g Volk, hypo Penn has no visible needle, and it's the first premixed auto injector of glucagon for very low blood sugar in adults and kids with diabetes ages two and above. Not only is Jeeva hypo pens simple to administer, but it's simple to learn more about. All you have to do is go to G Vogue glucagon.com forward slash juicebox g Vogue shouldn't be used inpatients with insulinoma or pheochromocytoma. Visit Jiva. glucagon comm slash risk. Now, let me tell you about touched by type one. There are an organization out of Florida that helps people living with Type One Diabetes. That's it. And they'd like for you to know more about them. So they're asking you, if you wouldn't mind, why don't you visit touched by type one.org. Take a look around. You can also see what they're doing on Instagram, or Facebook. So if you're more of a website, person, touch by type one.org, if you're more of an Instagram person, you know, search for that on there, and Facebook etc, you know how to handle it. After you filled yourself with the goodness that is touched by type one, do something nice for yourself. Get yourself one of the most accurate blood glucose meters available. meters are not that expensive at this point. In fact, the Contour Next One may cost you less if you paid cash than if you went through your insurance. That may or may not be true for you. But you know how you could find that out. You'd go to Contour Next one.com Ford slash juice box there you're going to see Arden's blood glucose meter, the Contour Next One, and you're going to see how absolutely small and manageable It is easy to read numbers, super bright light, and a test strip that allows you to go back for a second chance if you should miss her mess up getting the blood the first time like you know you don't quite get enough, you can go back with this meter. And it doesn't affect the efficacy of the test. You're gonna love this meter. absolutely the best one Arden has ever used. Contour Next one.com forward slash juice box and touch by type one.org get going.

Do you share custody? Does Hannah go back to her mom sometimes?

Unknown Speaker 22:00
legally. Yeah, they're shared custody, but her mom's has not picked them up since gotcha.

Unknown Speaker 22:06
Okay, well,

Scott Benner 22:08
then tell me how. How so I guess we'll stick with blended as far as like you've been remarried? And how do you guys talk about that? Is she? I don't understand the whole step. parent. vernacular, like how you talk about that is? Did you like Hannah, call your wife her step mom? How does she refer to her?

Unknown Speaker 22:28
Oh, they just? You mean? How do my kids refer to her? Yeah. Oh, Charlotte. Ah, they just call her by her name.

Scott Benner 22:35
It's kind of chill. I would like that.

Unknown Speaker 22:38
They love her. She's, she's, she's a better parent than I am.

Scott Benner 22:43
Yeah, well, you know, let's not tell my wife. But yeah, she's pretty much holding the whole thing together. I'm just doing my best over here. So is that difficult for Charlotte to be involved in? How involved is she in the manager of the diabetes?

Unknown Speaker 23:03
Not as much as I would like.

Unknown Speaker 23:06
From the start, I just jumped in immediately and started

Unknown Speaker 23:13
managing everything.

Unknown Speaker 23:16
And I would kind of dictate, you know, what, how much insulin when when I wasn't there, I'd call Charlotte and tell her she just has no background on it or just not as on top of it as I would be. Yeah. And then there's, she does fine. And she takes care of Hannah. But there's there's some differences there. For sure.

Scott Benner 23:38
I would wonder if it was me. How comfortable i'd feel being aggressive with insulin towards a person, like in your situation in a family situation. If it wasn't, I don't mean it this way. But like, not, like not my daughter by blood, like, you know, like that feeling of, you know, if I'm gonna like if someone's gonna hurt her, it's gonna be you. Not me like that. That kind of a feeling. I don't know if that has anything to do with it. Or maybe she just doesn't have the vibe for it. Does she not listen to the show? I would imagine. Yeah, yeah. So she lacks and she didn't have your mom to grow up, but there's a lot she doesn't have that you have. What do you um, what do you have for management goals? With Hana? What are you shooting for during the day? As far as like high and low numbers and how do you how do you make out with it?

Unknown Speaker 24:29
So we've got up to think 80 to 150. And recently, not recently, the last, I don't know six months have haven't only been diagnosed a year, last couple months, I guess. I've slacked off. I guess I had a little bit of burnout.

Scott Benner 24:49
So we're just that's our goal. That's your goal. Do you How, how well do you stay there away from food first, like not around meals.

Unknown Speaker 25:00
Pretty good. Yeah. The challenge is when I'm not taking care of her, the other caregivers aren't aren't as aggressive.

Unknown Speaker 25:10
Okay.

Scott Benner 25:12
And that and so do you think has she put on weight or gotten bigger since she's been diagnosed? Maybe Is it a bazel? issue?

Unknown Speaker 25:23
You're not sure about that. It's I don't think it's a bazel issue. It's a just other caregivers. That won't Pre-Bolus just don't have that. I guess intuitive. How much insulin does she need? Yeah. They'll wait until it's three or 400. You know, Ty,

Unknown Speaker 25:44
like, call me What do I do? I'm like, Well, she's 400.

Scott Benner 25:48
What do you do? Get the time machine and go back two hours and call me?

Unknown Speaker 25:53
Yeah, you could have prevented that, you know, you should have squashed it with a unit and a half. And been done with it. Now, we got to get three, maybe even four units. And it's dinnertime. You know what,

Unknown Speaker 26:04
so late now.

Scott Benner 26:07
You know, it's funny, I'm, um, I'm not gonna say anybody's name here. But uh, looking at another person's CGM at the moment for a child. And then a very similar situation where the father's more aggressive than the mother is. And I started looking at the graph over the weekend. And I was like, Oh, this is great. You know, like, it's really going well, and then Monday came, and then the kids blood sugar started going up and staying higher, longer. And at first I thought, like, what's happening? You know, but it is exactly what you're describing, the father went off to work. And, you know, now the kids behind with people who are just in their situation, it may be it's not as aggressive as maybe they're a little more scared, I guess, you know, to use too much insulin. And they're trying their Pre-Bolus thing, and they're doing the things, you know, the mother is doing all the things, the outcomes are just not as even, I think is the right word. So there's more rises, more rises that stay up longer. And then I was, you know, I watched it through the week, and I sent a text a couple of times, and was like, hey, let me see if I can help here. But I stayed out of it. Mostly, it was just sort of looking. And then Saturday came back around, and boom, the kids blood sugar was back down. I was like, Wow, it's fascinating. Because the same kid, the same food, the same house, it's, it's a different style. And it really did lead into AI for the very first time a couple weeks ago, I, I came to realize by watching like this, you know, these people, stacks coms, I have my daughter, my daughter's friend, and this, this other person. So three people at the same time. When, when the bull when the when the father is, is on the first kid that I was just talking about. These three people's blood sugar's almost look exactly the same. Their numbers are always similar. Their spikes are always similar, the times that their spikes Say hi are always similar. And I have to tell you, a huge moment of pride. Because what I realized is what you're seeing in these three different people's blood sugars, is my style. It's my style of management, it's it's the rules. But it's not just the rules. It's the rules with the I don't know, whatever that is, whatever I talk about on the podcast, however I feel about the Pre-Bolus saying and how to manage highs, like when you when somebody does that when somebody gets it and puts it together, it looks the same from person to person. And I'd be super interested to, I'm assuming you're seeing the same thing when you're managing less spikes, like that kind of stuff. And then when you hand it off to a different person, so it's not the rules as much as it is. Well, it is the rules. You have to have the you have to have the tenants down, right, but after you have them, it's more about when to use them. You know how hard it's, I don't know like a passer in football. You know, like what's the difference between a six six guy that can throw a ball 100 yards and Tom Brady who's 40 years old and broken down and why is Brady a better passer than the 25 year old kid who's clearly a you know a better athlete than he is. And I think it's the intangible stuff you can't measure right?

Unknown Speaker 29:41
And there's, there's a lot to it. That's I guess intuitive. Now. When I first started out, I was measuring everything and I had the measuring cup and we would count cards perfectly and still get it off because it doesn't hold that doesn't Monitor right now I just look at it. I just glanced at her plate. Yeah, two, three. I'm gonna try three. We mustn't we have ice cream.

Scott Benner 30:10
And if you miss the other way, you readdress. With more insulin.

Unknown Speaker 30:13
Oh, yeah.

Scott Benner 30:14
Yeah. It really is it man. It just, it's about like, just stay in, like, easy, right? Like, I don't know, keep your hips loose and move with it, you know? Which is funny, because I can't dance even a little bit. But this I can dance with. And it's cool that it hit you too. Is there any possibility that it was palatable to you because I'm a man? Was it easy? Or about this from a guy? Or do you not think it matters to

Unknown Speaker 30:47
I don't think it matters. I I've listened to tons of stuff. Before I've got this, I just I have a new job. I've been about six months before that I have my own business. And I would just listen to books, books, podcast.

Scott Benner 31:03
Doesn't matter where the information comes from. Okay. Yeah. It's interesting.

Unknown Speaker 31:08
Before before we get too far into the podcast, I did want to tell you that, I guess share my diagnosis story, because that was interesting way to to figure it out. I want to hear. So in the whole custody thing, I sent the kids back and it was supposed to be for a Thanksgiving break. But we still we were still waiting to get the final parenting plan from the courts are waiting to go to court. So it was just a verbal written, written agreement, but it wasn't legally bound. So I sent the kids they were living here already. And so I sent him to go see their mom. In St. Then it was St. Louis. supposed to be for just a week. Of course, her mom got her got both the kids and said, Oh, no, I decided to keep them here. And so I went back, went back to my lawyer and I had had them try to get an emergency hearing. And technically it didn't qualify but they were able to get a hearing very soon. within three weeks of that happening.

Unknown Speaker 32:25
So go to court on December

Unknown Speaker 32:28
21.

Unknown Speaker 32:31
Judges there and the lawyer and their mom is not this point we'd nobody knew Hannah was diabetic. Or how sick she was at that moment. Her mom had texted me a week earlier and asked me if I got their their eyes checked when they're here. And I was like now, but I didn't think anything of it. So anyway, we're, I'm in court and judge like okay, I'm on branch Cassidy. How do you plan to get the kids and say, Well, I looked at the judge. I said, I have plane tickets tomorrow morning. Pick them up.

Unknown Speaker 33:08
And that you know, I was ready.

Unknown Speaker 33:14
So that's the plan. I fly out there.

Unknown Speaker 33:18
St. Louis.

Unknown Speaker 33:21
Their mom brings me brings me the kids and first thing she said says Hannah's not feeling well, you might have to pick her up out of the car. And then understand I was like, okay, so I picked her up out of the car. And I look at her and she's obviously sick and doesn't feel well. buckler and to my car and we start driving back to the airport. And I look back in the in the backseat and I noticed just hurt her eyelids were starting to bottom of their eyes were sunken down away from our eyeballs.

Scott Benner 34:00
Oh, I understand you're saying like the bottoms of her eyes were like separating from it. They looked like they were there was like a gap between her and her eyes. Oh, geez. Okay. Yeah.

Unknown Speaker 34:12
And then I looked at her cheekbones are protruding.

Unknown Speaker 34:17
It was just, I mean, you've seen it before. I've heard you explain it. Yeah. And

Unknown Speaker 34:23
with Arden.

Unknown Speaker 34:25
That level of sickness just you look like death. And I was I didn't know what to do. And I've been hindsight I should have took it straight to the hospital there. But I didn't realize how how sick until we finally got to Atlanta I was drove home and she tried to put her pajamas on that she wore literally a month before and they literally just fell right off

Unknown Speaker 34:58
that point

Unknown Speaker 35:01
I was scared. Yeah, genuinely scared.

Unknown Speaker 35:06
The next morning, I'd take her straight to the urgent care and

Unknown Speaker 35:11
the next morning was even worse, she couldn't walk couldn't, couldn't really have no energy whatsoever.

Unknown Speaker 35:19
I took it to the Children's Healthcare of Atlanta,

Unknown Speaker 35:23
a satellite location there and powder in my arms and the whole office literally stopped what they're doing. pulled her back into the back. We I mean, within a minute, we had a doctor there.

Scott Benner 35:38
Well, they've seen something that horrible before they know what it looks like, you're you're still doing the that thing that everybody does, right? Like, it can't be that bad. Like my eight year olds not dying, you know, they need like, you just don't think it's, am I am I right? Where you just you knew it was bad. But you didn't think it was life and death? Or were you starting to believe that it might be?

Unknown Speaker 36:01
Well, that morning, I knew it was. I knew it could be life or death. That's why I went straight to the urgent care the Children's Healthcare of Atlanta, urgent care, not not just a hospital or

Scott Benner 36:12
guy on the corner. Yeah.

Unknown Speaker 36:17
And before I hit, I went there, I told my dad, what she looked like, and he immediately said, but she's diabetic. So we ran in there, and I told him me, you know,

Unknown Speaker 36:30
glucose test this

Scott Benner 36:35
is diabetes. You remember what it was? When they were?

Unknown Speaker 36:40
like four or 500.

Scott Benner 36:43
But it had been probably been going on for a while.

Unknown Speaker 36:46
Yeah, she lost significant weight.

Unknown Speaker 36:49
That's, I imagine shoes and DK for

Scott Benner 36:54
some time. How was she being? Did you ever go back to your accent and ask like how like, like, what that time was like, was she like that the entire time? Or did it degrade? Or are you not able to get that information?

Unknown Speaker 37:08
I never got a straight answer. I did ask them like, hey, how can you miss this? Right? This wasn't, this wasn't a stomach bug. Not even close.

Scott Benner 37:18
It occurs to me too, that if you weren't in the middle of trying to extract them and having to put them on a plane I because um, I you know, I'm thinking about myself in that situation. You're a couple of different issues here. Like you're not just picking them up at the mall, like you had to go to a judge to go get them back. So there's this feeling of like, I need to take them away. And then you've got to get them onto a plane and there's two kids, and you're probably focused on the things you were doing. And then the minute you got home and could really look at her. I'm assuming it would strike you so it does. I don't want to cast aspersions. But it does. It does make you wonder why a person who was with them, and not going through all that stuff wouldn't be able to look and think something's really wrong here. But you know, I stared at my daughter for a week, not knowing what the hell was wrong either. So I don't know. It's tough. You know?

Unknown Speaker 38:04
I don't know, either. It could be a rabbit hole to go down and say why didn't you take her to the doctor? Maybe she did. And the doctor didn't recognize the science hundred

Scott Benner 38:12
percent could be that right? Yeah. Well, so she's in there and diagnosed. I'm assuming in the they take her to ICU. Do you get to stay with her? Or how do they handle that? We never really talked about this.

Unknown Speaker 38:26
Yeah, I so they transferred her they called up a certain IV right there in the office with fluids. And then did ambulance ride to the ICU and at the Scottish Rite location. I ran home grab my cell phone charger, bag of clothes, ran straight to the hospital and four days straight that the only time I left her side was going to get some food or using the restaurant.

Scott Benner 38:55
Yeah. How involved were you in parenting? Prior to that? Were you like what was the division in your home? Are you just like you know what I'm saying like did you do go out and do the work and bring the money back and the kids were you know your ex or did you guys have a reasonable like co parents situation I'm trying to decide how much of a culture shock to your parenting it is to not only have the kids full time but then have this drop on top of it.

Unknown Speaker 39:25
Well, they the kids, my two kids would be here all summer long. And then during each school break, they're here at that point they were here since late May of that that summer, all the way up until Thanksgiving when I flew them back to go see their their mom. And then when I picked him up again

Scott Benner 39:50
to your full time father before this happened, it wasn't like a it didn't all get dropped on you at one time. Now cool. Okay.

Unknown Speaker 40:01
All right.

Scott Benner 40:03
Did she leave the hospital with a pump and a CGM? or How did they start off originally? Did they do that? Sometimes if you push hard, like and so I didn't know, I'm trying to figure out the timeline of when you decided what you want to do.

Unknown Speaker 40:17
Now that we did, did some education, which

Unknown Speaker 40:24
was probably a little basic.

Unknown Speaker 40:29
That makes sense, which is good. Yeah. Which is good.

Unknown Speaker 40:32
But they're trying to teach us about low blood sugars, high blood sugar.

Unknown Speaker 40:37
I know more than I ever wanted to know.

Scott Benner 40:41
I've got this throw on the floor maker unconscious. I know what to do.

Unknown Speaker 40:45
Yeah. Like I've given too many shots. Anyway, we left with just MBI and finger sticks. And then within a couple weeks we got on the Dexcom. It's quick.

Unknown Speaker 41:00
Yeah, yeah. That's

Scott Benner 41:02
that. Did somebody show it to you? or How did you know to ask for it? Or where do they offer?

Unknown Speaker 41:09
I think I heard it in your podcast. That's pretty nice. Oh, so

Scott Benner 41:14
you did find the podcast in like the first week?

Unknown Speaker 41:18
Was it wasn't the first week? I think it might have been, it might have been four weeks where I got the Dexcom. Okay.

Scott Benner 41:24
It was still very real pretty soon. Yeah, no, that's very fast. I've heard from people who are listening to the podcast in the hospital, while the kids are sleeping in the bed and getting well. Not always like that's usually comes through another person. Usually, that's a person who, you know, is reaches out to friends and says, you know, my God, my kids has been diagnosed, and that person has type one or something. They say, oh, listen, this podcast right now like that, to me is fascinating. But even inside of a month is I think that's very quick. It just really is. So Has she ever, like, hover? Wherever anyone sees been? Do you mind share? If you mind sharing? Don't tell me but

Unknown Speaker 42:07
Oh, sure. It's just, it's just a number. I think diagnosis, she was 13. And she went down to eight, a month or two later. And then I think that summer in July, I got her down to in the sixes, mid six 6.5 or something that's gone up a little bit. I think it's last on 7.2.

Scott Benner 42:33
But you guys are happy with it. You're good with where she is.

Unknown Speaker 42:37
There's room for improvement. I'd like to keep it under seven and the mid sixes. Okay. 6.5 to seven rounds.

Scott Benner 42:45
And we and your and your sticking point is the time that you're not with her to kind of add the whatever the magic is to the management. Yeah, yeah. So what's the plan for teaching that to somebody else?

Unknown Speaker 43:02
I can't say I have a plan.

Scott Benner 43:05
It was like, Listen, man, we're in the middle of a pandemic. My plan is not to touch anything and then forget to watch my. No, I asked because I didn't think there was an answer. Because I don't know. I'm still at a loss for how you transfer the see the pitch of the line right there. That's how I knew to give more insulin after the meal. But and I'm assuming that's the kind of stuff you're seeing. Like it's just, it's not. It's not seeing numbers and knowing math. It's being in a situation and just just intrinsically knowing, like what to do next. If you don't think about it, right? It just happens. Is that true for you?

Unknown Speaker 43:46
Yeah, and it's, I see it going up but with a straight one straight up arrow. I can't even say I think too much about it. Yeah. All right. I didn't give enough to originally so another half unit or one unit whatever.

Scott Benner 44:02
Right. Just more. I listen, I did it last night Arden was I mean, I don't know how your kids are but in this whole not going to school situation. My children have adjusted their, their 24 hour schedule to fit their needs and desires. So they're basically up really late, sleeping in on the morning getting up doing their schoolwork, you know, through the afternoon into the evening. like they've just, I don't know they've adjusted the clock around the fit to where they want to be. And so last night, I was working on a podcast that's going to go up tonight. And Arden was just cruising along in the 80s with her blood sugar. And she asked me for popcorn. And it was weird because it was too late for her to be hungry. So I thought as soon as she asked for popcorn, I thought Ooh, she's gonna get low. And because, you know she's still confused as hunger with low or the feeling that lows coming. I don't know if it's confused as much as it's, you know, right before an 85 turns into a 60. She feels hungry, which I'm sure everybody who has type one was like, yeah, that's how it feels. So it was the time of day that made me think it. So I hustled the popcorn tour, I didn't get it to work as quickly as I hope to. And she's like, 75, diagonal down. So I held on bolusing because I knew what was happening. And I knew she was going to try to keep getting low, and the popcorn doesn't hit her very quickly. So I'm trying to make that timing right. And right, as I'm like, Oh, this worked, here's how much insulin we're gonna put in, put the insulin in. She's like, Can I get an ice cream cone too. And I thought, Oh, if I knew the ice cream was coming after the popcorn, I would have bought sooner for the popcorn. And yeah, like the whole kind of, like the math of it hit me. And then she kind of rises up to 170 and gets really sticky there for a while. And I was just like, I'm not putting up with us, you know. So we jacked her bazel up and drove it back down again. But I wasn't going to sit and stare at a 170. So, you know, and I don't know that it was there, there would it would have been easy for me to over treat that 170 caused another low and then put her into a situation where she's got to find food again. I didn't want to do that. Yeah.

Unknown Speaker 46:23
You're, you're on the roller coaster. From there. Right. And it takes it takes something else to jump off that roller coaster and smooth it out.

Scott Benner 46:31
Yes. Yes. It really does is that to come in for that real? That that real fine landing and just, you know, pull up at the right exact second is, uh, it takes time. But we did it. You know, I woke up this morning, and her blood sugar was like, 87 when I woke up, and she's still sleeping now. And it's 78. So, you know, it's a, it's all good. But yeah, there's so many opportunities within that moment, those moments going all the way back to what is now 12 hours ago, there's so many opportunities to I don't react wrong, you know what I mean? And, and just to send you in a different area, it's that whole, it's the larger idea around bumping and nudging that is hard to put into words, like you're not just bumping the insulin, you're not just pumping the food. It's it's the entirety of the diabetes, you're trying to keep inside of that. That space between, you know, for us for 70 and 120. I'm just, you know, it's a it's a it's a bit of a balancing act when you're first starting, but it sounds like you do a really good job of it.

Unknown Speaker 47:39
Some days, some days,

Scott Benner 47:41
you know, some days I don't do a very good job. But then the real question for you really does seem like how like, what's the first step? Like, what could you pick one thing that would help the people she's with when she's not with you? Like, what if? What one thing do you think you should reinforce more?

Unknown Speaker 48:00
I'm not sure. I'm just, I call my dad when? When she's there and like, Hey, Dad, what are you doing? Give her more insulin than just manage micromanaging the phone?

Scott Benner 48:11
Yeah, I would say Pre-Bolus thing. That should be the first step. You have to make a few made Pre-Bolus thing a law of the land. I think a lot of what's happening would change for you. It seems to me through our conversation, which I've never seen a graph or I'm not there. But I bet you that's the first step because that's a hard thing for people to want to wrap their heads around. Plus, I'm assuming your mom probably doesn't for herself. I'm guessing she does. But she she does.

Unknown Speaker 48:44
It's just it's harder to Pre-Bolus for for a kid I mean, in some people's minds it's not hard because at our house I just give up two units and I have no idea what she's going to eat but after experience I know she's gonna hurt carb ratios of 2020 to one so I know she's gonna at least eat 40 carbs two units will get her started through two thirds of the meal for coverage but

Scott Benner 49:17
but yeah, by the way, David You have no idea how just cool it feels to hear somebody like mimic your words back to you in a in a way that's helping them like that idea of like just put some in get it moving. We know she's going to eat at least this much always eat this much so we can get this much for Pre-Bolus and then address the rest later. That's like I felt like I was listening. When you were talking. I felt like I was listening to myself. And yeah, that's very

Unknown Speaker 49:46
well i i used to make the meal count the carbs measured and then sit there and look at it for 20 minutes.

Unknown Speaker 49:55
I got tired of that. We all did

Scott Benner 49:57
staring at it as thinking like you got it wrong. or waiting for the Pre-Bolus Pre-Bolus.

Unknown Speaker 50:02
Yeah, cuz we didn't know how much to Pre-Bolus do we measure the food? That I hear you?

Scott Benner 50:07
Yeah, that's maddening. So everybody was like, looking at dinner like, waiting on when we can all started. Did you make the family wait for?

Unknown Speaker 50:17
Yes, yeah.

Scott Benner 50:20
Listen, wait the beginning man when you're scared, you do what you got to do?

Unknown Speaker 50:25
Yeah. Well that smoothed out we just

Unknown Speaker 50:29
20 minutes for him.

Scott Benner 50:31
Throw in some two units, just Bolus I have I have uttered the words across my house Bolus. How much? I don't know. Just get some going three. Let's call it three. Let's do this much. Let's you know, I hope my daughter's picking up on that. You know, that idea of how we do it. Like I my goal is to sit her down and really explain everything to her in more detail, and I'm trying to get her to do that on the podcast. We'll see if we can make that happen. Hopefully this this Coronavirus thing will go on long enough that she'll get so bored that she'll be like, Alright, fine. Let's do that thing we were talking about. Because that's what's left for her is the conversation. You know, she does it. I think she knows what happens. She's a kid. She's not great at paying attention to it that sometimes, you know, I'm sure your daughter's the same way.

Unknown Speaker 51:31
No, no, she doesn't get

Scott Benner 51:34
right. They're just like, wow, I'm rolling. They weren't paying it. It's funny. I hear people say I'm not see your daughter's not paying attention because you're managing it for. Okay. Well, 20 years ago, were those kids paying attention when they're a onesies were eight and a half. And you know, they didn't have any of this technology. Yeah, they were paying attention to their kids back then we call it let them be kids. I'm letting my daughter be a kid. And everybody's like butts because you're doing it for him like, well, at least someone's doing it. You know, I'll find a way to get it to her the information. But I I like how some people think of Jenny and I just talked about this the other day, which is what's got it in my head. I don't know why some people think of healthy as extreme. It's not extreme management to want to have healthy outcomes. Do you know what I mean? No, yes. So that's very cool. any concern about your other daughter? Does that worry you? Do you find yourself thinking about it?

Unknown Speaker 52:35
Yeah, I've worried about it. And she's too young for the child. Matt, I think you gotta be two years old or something. Okay. Cuz when you have it run on the family, I think statistically, the odds are higher.

Scott Benner 52:51
By a little bit not not enough to buy a lottery ticket, but by a little bit. I think it might be 10%. I'm not certain anymore. But you do you think you'll do trial on that when the time comes? or How are you leaning?

Unknown Speaker 53:04
Oh, if I start seeing some signs, but I you know, I don't? I don't know how good would that? How effective that'll be. I could just check your blood sugar.

Scott Benner 53:17
Yeah, I was gonna say we'll see. It's interesting. Isn't it once it's happened to you once? The idea of it happening again? It's, it's not as scary. It's not something you want. But it's not as, like, overly frightening, I would imagine. Yeah. Cuz you're like, Oh, we do it. Now. We could just do it again.

Unknown Speaker 53:34
Yeah, I just don't wanna mess up. Right? Yeah, I'm not gonna miss it again. Because I didn't have opportunity to Miss Hannah, because I wasn't

Scott Benner 53:41
with her. Yeah, I don't think I don't, dude, I don't think you'll miss that again. I think you could probably spot a kid from across the mall. I mean, if malls are still a thing we do in the future. At this point, that's probably seared into your memory, you know?

Unknown Speaker 53:55
Yeah, it is. Yeah.

Scott Benner 53:57
Okay. How old are you? 32 Do you ever think about for yourself?

Unknown Speaker 54:04
trauma? Yeah, I've already done it. No.

Unknown Speaker 54:08
No songs. No.

Scott Benner 54:11
You don't have a marker. So no kidding. Yeah, I would. I'd be interested in your dad. I'll tell your father. How old's your father?

Unknown Speaker 54:17
65.

Scott Benner 54:18
Yeah, he sounds like he he's been through it a couple of times with this. He might be interesting to talk to. He's sounds like he's been through a couple of diabetes wars. And still talking about it.

Unknown Speaker 54:31
Yeah. our whole lives have been my whole life has been with a diabetic at one point or another.

Scott Benner 54:38
Yeah, no kidding. give any siblings?

Unknown Speaker 54:40
I had a brother he passed away years and years ago. I'm sorry. 2004.

Scott Benner 54:46
I gotcha. Oh, my gosh. Well, cheese. David, I I have a question that's completely unrelated to to all of this. I'm just going to ask it on the recording because I think Solid, your signature line that you're an arborist. So why is it so expensive is just because you guys know how to do it nobody else does. So Nana that's how much it cost. Where's the interest? Or the machinery? Is the work actually? Don't I mean?

Unknown Speaker 55:17
So yes, there's it's high risk work, it's very dangerous. So everything associated with it is more expensive. The workers comp insurance, the equipment to do Tree Removal or Tree Service, whatever you're doing, it's expensive.

Scott Benner 55:34
It's the worst adult thing I've ever done in my life, is to pay someone to make a tree disappear. Because prior to it happening, you have money and a tree. And when it's over you neither have money nor a tree. And it's just like, I don't know, it's the least satisfying thing I've ever done as a as an adult.

Unknown Speaker 55:56
Yeah, money's got

Scott Benner 55:57
money's gone, trees gone. Three years from now the roots of that tree are going to rot and my, my, my, my lawns gonna collapse on itself, but that fill it up with dirt and replant grass. No, seriously, it's but it's amazing work if no one's ever watched somebody up in a tree with just roping and you know, a small, you know, chainsaw, it's fascinating to see somebody either just just to clean a tree for health, or to or to to actually take one down how they drop it and bring the branches out of it. It feels like there's an art How do you learn something like that?

Unknown Speaker 56:33
through a lot of years, I don't do any of the climbing. Okay. I got into it. Through through the landscaping side. I owned a business and decided to sell that this company recruited me in as one of their sales guys. Okay.

Scott Benner 56:50
That sounds like better tree.

Unknown Speaker 56:53
Yeah. The climates not actually climbing is dangerous. But statistically the ground people are more danger

Scott Benner 57:01
from falling. branches and things like that

Unknown Speaker 57:04
falling branches, and the chipper.

Scott Benner 57:07
Oh, I never thought of that. Do people really get caught in the chipper? Yes. Oh my god. All right.

Unknown Speaker 57:14
Hold on. Not often, but if you got some time YouTube the video, they have a test dummy where they the rope gets is hung on a log and the log gets fed into the chipper. Right. And that test dummy goes from like, like creeping a couple feet along and then just shoots right into the chipper. It's

Scott Benner 57:37
the Amy a chill up my spine. That's terrible. Terrible. I had a guy one time tell me we can drill holes into the tree and put medication in it and save it. I was like You better stop man. Like just just cut the tree down. All right.

Unknown Speaker 57:54
The best time to cut down the tree is core Falls is a year before false is better than one day. After.

Scott Benner 58:04
There's, we have a huge oak tree on the corner of our house. And I mean it really is probably like 20 feet in diameter. And it's art inside and in a windstorm. She'll be like that trees. Okay, right. I'm like I yeah. My son's like, isn't I'm like, I don't know. That's like what he want me to tell her. Don't sleep in your room as like, she'll be in the hallway every time the wind blows?

Unknown Speaker 58:27
Yes. Like,

Scott Benner 58:28
it's like that tree has been there for 50 years. So it's like it'll be there after we're dead. Don't you worry. And I do have to because of the positioning I do have someone come out periodically and clean it and take out any you know, branches that are you know, making their way over the house or looking kind of rickety. And people don't realize when you clean your trees out your grass grows better underneath of them. So yeah, that's it. I it's an it's an absolutely fascinating job. So when we bought our property, I have an acre, which I don't think in most of the country is a lot of land. And in some places, it probably seems like a farm. But it's you know, when we bought it, it was lined in the back with these very thin pencil like pine trees. And they would like, drop all these horrible, you know, needles and they'd fall over and they were just rickety trees, there must have been 30 of them. And I hired a small company to remove them. And it was so much work that we we scheduled it for vacation. So we left our house and two sides of our property were lined with these pine trees. And when we came back, they were gone. And the work was done. And it was in your money. And my boy my money was gone before I left for vacation. But when I got back, the trees were gone. And it was it was bizarre. Like it felt like we came back to a different place. It was it was really interesting. I think it's amazing work like and there. I've hired people who are good at it and I've hired people who aren't and it's an obvious difference. So Yep. Really interesting. Is there anything we didn't talk about that you were hoping to talk about?

Unknown Speaker 1:00:06
Now just sharing my experience. I appreciate your doing the podcast, it's helped me a lot. No, it's my pleasure. I'm sure it helps. Sure, it helps other people as well.

Scott Benner 1:00:16
Thank you. Now, I really do enjoy it. I enjoy very much talking to people and the podcast, in general. It just, uh, I didn't imagine it was gonna be. I don't know, I've said this before. But if you, you know, if you jump back 20 years ago, and tell me, you know, 28 year old Scott is gonna have a podcast one day about diabetes that helps people. I think you probably have the wrong guy. That doesn't seem like something I would do. But I just, I get so much back from it. That, that you, you'd have no way of knowing how much you're helping me by listening to it. So I appreciate that very much. XRP So listen, wash your hands. Don't touch anybody house the house. How, um, this will be interesting, because this isn't going to go up for a while and it's April now. How are you handling? I'll let you go after this. How are you? How are you handling this? Coronavirus thing? Are you? Are you locked down when you're not working? Or are you how do you how do you manage the whole thing? What are your kids doing? How's your family handling this? Uh, pretty much.

Unknown Speaker 1:01:26
Obviously, I work every day, well, five days a week, kids got to go to my parents. I pick them up or they drop them off. Outside of work, there's nothing, nothing's open hearts, or you can go to the park trail with all the playgrounds are closed.

Scott Benner 1:01:46
A lot to do. So your parents are living their lives you and you're still using them as daycare for the lack of a better term here. And and so are you going to the store like less frequently? Are you trying to limit that? Or how do you handle the shopping and stuff?

Unknown Speaker 1:02:02
shopping? Yeah, I mean, I got to get food got to eat? Yeah. Store. Is it weird or people masked up and everything or? It's weird. It's I you know, I guess it's the CDC says that's the guidelines. Now, everybody wears masks, but it looks ridiculous.

Scott Benner 1:02:20
It does make you feel weird. That's for certain. I don't have a mask. So I went out the other day, I had to grab food. And I'm leaving the house. I look at Kelly and I'm like, What do I do here? Like we don't have masks. And she's like, we have that. There's that scarf, that neck scarf. And I was like what? So it's just this scarf that you know, it's one piece. It's elastic. And it's it's like a it's like a tire tube that goes around your neck, and you pull it up over your nose and your mouth and you're like, Alright, so now I'm in the store and I go to walk in I'm like, okay, like, is this even gonna do anything? And I pull it up, dude. 45 minutes later, as I'm checking out, I'm on fire. Just as odd as I've ever been in my life. I was like, I'm gonna die from from the scarf covering my face before I get this damn Coronavirus. I think. But, and I felt odd the whole time. So, you know,

Unknown Speaker 1:03:13
I will say the grossest, the grossest part of my day that I've tried to change is what's going on the gas stations. I'm on the road all day. Yeah.

Scott Benner 1:03:23
And thinking about it a little more. Right. Like, you know, it's interesting. I used to have a job where I was 30 all the time, I worked in a sheetmetal shop. And so when you're filthy, you don't think about anything else. Like you're just like, I'm dirty. Doesn't matter if something else is dirty. But now you're like, looking for the invisible dirt. Right? You're like well, what can I not see here? Oh, he has. Those are kind of your those your office's places to stop to get coffees bathroom stuff like that, right? Yeah,

Unknown Speaker 1:03:53
I watched this one guy. He literally cough sneeze picked his buggers wipe the snot and went straight into the gas station.

Unknown Speaker 1:04:03
Just like I would have right, that would have made my brain scream at me I would have.

Scott Benner 1:04:09
Because he started thinking everyone does that when no one's looking at I thought, don't they? Oh my god.

Unknown Speaker 1:04:13
Yeah, how many people do that more than I want to know. Yeah.

Scott Benner 1:04:17
And that's not something you would have paid attention to before this.

Unknown Speaker 1:04:21
Gotcha.

Scott Benner 1:04:22
All right. David, thank you very much. I I wish you a lot of luck. It sounds like you're on a great path. And it seems like you've done a lot of hard work to build your family and keep it safe and together which is a is very laudable, it really is. It's um, I come from a family of divorce and I know what it was like to watch one of my parents not really seem to care so much about being a parent. And, and what it was like to watch the other one has to work about five times as hard to keep everything together. So I I'm a big fan of what you're doing. And I don't think a lot of people know how hard it is so good for you really is cool. You know, hundred percent man you should be, should be applauded. It's a not not everybody knows how to bet everybody knows how to see the responsibility in front of them and even though it looks heavy picking up and run with it, so and then you got diabetes on top of that with Hannah. So a lot of work man, I, you know, we're we're not in a position where I can be proud of you but if I was I would be so it's really it's really something there's too many people that shirk their responsibilities and, and we don't talk enough about the people who don't. So I appreciate you coming on and sharing the story.

Unknown Speaker 1:05:36
All right, thanks for having me.

Scott Benner 1:05:37
Yep, have a great day.

Unknown Speaker 1:05:38
See ya picker.

Scott Benner 1:05:41
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Add your data to the other wonderful people who have already done so at T one d exchange.org. forward slash juicebox. We're trying to get 6000 participants. And so far about 400 of you listeners have gone gone over and filled out the information. I want to thank all of you who have done so already. And I want to ask the rest of you to please consider joining in. They're very excited over T one D exchange. But they'd like to hear from many, many more of you T one d exchange.org Ford slash juice box. The information they're looking for is some very basic stuff about living with Type One Diabetes, it is not in any way personal. I filled it out for Arden and did not have any trouble with what was being asked. And you also have the complete ability to just at any time contact them and say you know I don't want to be involved in this, they'll just take your answers out. But like I said it's 100% anonymous 100% HIPAA compliant, and it's 1,000,000% a nice thing to do. If you want to know more, let your podcast player run for about another minute. And if you don't, now be a good time to hit stop. When you add your voice to the T one D exchange, they use your data to make good decisions. In the world of type one diabetes, you may have heard in past episodes, that things like Medicare for CGM users came from their data, lower a one c goals from the ADA came from the T one D exchanges data. But they need

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to conclusions to help move life forward for people to type on. And the truth is the way science works. The more data they have, the more conclusive they can be. They're looking for up to 6000 participants, and it only took me about seven minutes to fill it out. This is a super easy way for you to support type one, diabetes research and advancements, T one d exchange.org. forward slash juicebox. There are links in the show notes and links at Juicebox podcast.com. I really hope you throw in with these people. And they're a good group. Alright, that's it. We welcome the new sponsor had a really interesting conversation. Talked about the T one D exchange. And now I'm just going to remind you that if you've enjoyed the Juicebox Podcast, please leave a beautiful five star rating and review on Apple podcasts or wherever you listen. And of course, if you're listening in an app right now, please hit subscribe. tell a friend about the show. And if you're listening online, it might be time, you know, to catch up with the rest of the world. Get yourself a podcast app. They're free. They're easy. And they're handy as heck. If you don't know how to do that, right there at the top of Juicebox podcast.com. You just kind of look like oh, I use Spotify. I'll click on this. I have an Apple iPhone. I'll click on this. I have an Android. You know, I'm saying there are links to help you get going. podcast apps should always be free. Please don't pay for one unless you have like some super special one that you love and all that but for most of you, there's no reason to pay for a podcast app. Thanks very much for listening. I'll see you soon.