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Scott Benner 0:10
Hello, everyone, welcome to Episode 368 of the Juicebox Podcast. Today's show is sponsored by the Contour Next One blood glucose meter and touched by type one, you can get a touched by type one.org. To learn more about my favorite diabetes organization, or Contour Next one.com forward slash juice box to learn more about the blood glucose meter that my daughter uses, I find it to be small, easy to use, easy to use at night, easy to get a second reading from if you don't quite get enough blood the first time right they've got those kinds of test strips and it fits nicely in whatever you carry your diabetes gear in the Contour. Next One blood glucose meter is spectacular for accuracy. And I think you should check it out. So while you're busy listening to Benny's mom, Allison today talk about a number of things including social media around diabetes, being hopeful and a lot of other stuff actually. Remember this. Nothing you hear on the Juicebox Podcast should be considered advice, medical or otherwise, please always consult a physician before making any changes to your medical plan for becoming bold with insulin.

Alison 1:26
My name is Alison. I am a mom to my daughter who is six. And my son, Benjamin, who would call Benny who is my type one diabetic. And he is four and a half. Excellent.

Scott Benner 1:45
Benny is four and a half. How old was he when he was diagnosed?

Unknown Speaker 1:49
He's that bad? And he Yes, that's him.

Alison 1:54
I see you later. She's going out with his baby. So right now. Nice.

Unknown Speaker 1:59
Yeah.

Scott Benner 2:01
How old? How old was he? Who the babysitter? Wait, hold on a second. Let's not get crazy for a second. Hold on. Let me slow down. Or give me Benny Benny was how old was diagnosed?

Alison 2:12
Benny was diagnosed last March. So it'll be

Scott Benner 2:18
1010 months? Yes. And how did you find the type one babysitter?

Alison 2:26
So we actually were I live in New Jersey, we have a great a type one diabetic, like mom group community. And so I sort of found her through the grapevine. And one of our friends recommended her and she's amazing.

Unknown Speaker 2:43
I'm very nice.

Scott Benner 2:46
So yeah, so we've had her for about six months. Now two. Interesting question. Did the babysitter know more about diabetes than you did? Or did she think of it different? I assume she that was sexist of me. I apologize is the babysitter.

Unknown Speaker 3:01
Is she Yes. She says yeah.

Scott Benner 3:04
I was right. Okay, but that's fine. But how is

Unknown Speaker 3:09
it? That's an interesting question. Mm hmm.

Scott Benner 3:12
That's why I asked it.

Alison 3:13
Because she did not know about your podcast, and I found your podcast maybe two or three days

after we came home from the hospital. Well,

Scott Benner 3:25
how did that happen?

Unknown Speaker 3:27
I think a little bit of desperation.

Scott Benner 3:31
Dear internet,

Unknown Speaker 3:33
please, please.

Alison 3:36
Um, yeah, so. So she wasn't really she didn't know about the techniques that you talked about? Okay. And I had already known so we had a, we had bit of different management styles. Mm hmm.

Scott Benner 3:52
And what ends up happening is it turned into an employee employer situation where you're like, just do it this way, please. Or do you kind of let her roll her way? Or how do you guys handle that?

Alison 4:01
I think it's a little bit of both. I think it's a little bit of both. I definitely give her a lot of leeway. But I don't let things get crazy. Obviously, don't let him hang out in the 250s 300 when she's with him. And she always asked me before, you know, can I give him insulin? I need to treat this low.

Unknown Speaker 4:22
So I would say it's a good mix. Nice.

Scott Benner 4:24
And she and she understands the you know, the the overarching ideas between you know about what's wrong, why how you would fix it, why you wouldn't want somebody to stay one way or the other. So it's good, right?

Alison 4:36
Yeah, absolutely. And I think the biggest thing is that she doesn't panic. Mm hmm.

Scott Benner 4:41
And that's what's super important to me. Ken, she charged more for having diabetes skills.

Unknown Speaker 4:47
She can she and she does, which is good for her.

Scott Benner 4:52
So like a diabetes tax on the on the hourly rate.

Unknown Speaker 4:55
Yeah.

Alison 4:57
Um, you know, and we have two dogs, too. So she also deals with that, oh my

Unknown Speaker 5:01
god, I just

Unknown Speaker 5:03
paid very well. Let

Scott Benner 5:04
me just tell you, if I had to take care of your two children and your dogs, and one of the kids had diabetes, I would want somewhere around $150 now,

Unknown Speaker 5:15
pay $250

Scott Benner 5:18
I'd be like, Listen, I can watch your kids for $1,000 a day round if we keep it under the table. But if we're gonna pay taxes, I'm more in the 1500 range, because you've got these dogs and these kids, and it's a lot of work. Now. I'm just I'm joking. But that's

Unknown Speaker 5:31
pretty chaotic.

Scott Benner 5:32
Of course. That's very cool. So do you have a babysitter because you de drinker, you have a job.

Unknown Speaker 5:38
So

Alison 5:40
I don't currently work. I have our babysitter come once a week. So when Danny was first diagnosed, it was crazy. Obviously, that's what happens to everyone. I pulled him out of pre K, I quit my job. I our whole world shifted when he was diagnosed, which I'm pretty sure happens to everyone. And so I have her come so that he, he's in pre k in the afternoons. And he gets to spend some time with someone else who's not me in the mornings. Yeah, which I think he enjoys.

Scott Benner 6:23
I would like to spend some time away from my mom when I was younger. So you're saying you're trying to pass this off as this is for Benny, not for you. And I like by the way that when I asked if you need a drink? You did not say no, Scott, I did not get a

Unknown Speaker 6:34
no. I'm totally a drink.

Scott Benner 6:38
Right. Now, but that's cool. So it's so that you get a babysitter once a week to give yourself a break and give him a break and let everybody sort of you know, find their own space.

Alison 6:48
Nice. Because Yeah, sorry to cut you off. But yeah, she has because she has diabetes. I don't have to think about diabetes. For the couple hours that she's with him.

Scott Benner 7:00
It's a little mental health thing.

Unknown Speaker 7:01
It's a little mental health thing. Yeah, for sure.

Scott Benner 7:03
I'm down. I like it. Okay, um, let's start slow. Benny was diagnosed, but he was only diagnosed 10 months ago, you found the podcast very quickly, which is interesting. Did you was that seriously through a Google thing? Or did you ask a person?

Alison 7:19
To me? No, it was not there a person I was definitely through Google. Or, you know, just searching, you know, Type One Diabetes on Apple podcasts.

Scott Benner 7:27
Gotcha. Um, what kind of technology is Benny using?

Alison 7:32
So Benny is MDI and he has a dexcom. He's had a dex

Unknown Speaker 7:37
Tom,

Unknown Speaker 7:39
honestly, for about seven months, eight months?

Scott Benner 7:43
How are you finding that that method?

Alison 7:49
We like it, we're used to it. He is sort of a creature of habit. And so he is really comfortable with the shots. Eventually, I mean, pretty soon. Now he's only in school half day. But when he moves to school, you know, when he goes to kindergarten next year, and he's in school for the whole day, I'd like him to be

Unknown Speaker 8:09
on a pump thinking about a pump. Yeah.

Scott Benner 8:12
Where do you inject mostly is it arms, legs, stomach excites us.

Alison 8:19
So our endocrinologist just asked us this.

And we mostly do his arms. It's really where he'll let us do it got to be honest. And we want him to be comfortable. So I don't really try and push it.

Unknown Speaker 8:32
And it works. Well, for us. Are they

Scott Benner 8:34
worried that it's being overused the spot?

Unknown Speaker 8:39
I do.

Unknown Speaker 8:43
But then I remember, you know,

Alison 8:46
right now hold a stick out his arm and let us give us a shot. Let us give him a shot. But I don't really want to hold him down again to try and give him a shot and his legs or his butt. So we don't do that to him.

Scott Benner 8:59
So back to the arms. Do you think it's out of sight out of mind? Because you're behind him? Do you think it's easier for him? I always used to think that like garden kid couldn't see it as much. So it felt more relaxing to her.

Unknown Speaker 9:10
Sure. And I think it's just habitual at this point.

Scott Benner 9:13
Well, so I'm really interested in this. Take a little bit of a sidebar for a second because she Arden was obviously really young when she was diagnosed. And just like you said, like you you build a habit with something like there, you start putting a pump somewhere. And then that seems like that's where the pump goes after a while like it's a rule almost.

Unknown Speaker 9:31
Right?

Scott Benner 9:32
And then you say, hey, let's put it here now and they're like, Whoa, that's not where it goes. And it brings anxiety. We actually got really lucky. This is gonna sound weird for a second. But Arden had to have a cyst removed. You know, she had to have surgery. And they were going to go in laparoscopically through her like a couple of small holes they made in her stomach. Actually they made 200 stomach and one right in her belly button which was freaky weird. And so she wears her palms on her stomach a lot. And I'm always like, hey, let's try other places. And she's stomach stomach, like either side of her belly button. And then her thighs, but her thighs don't work great. And so I'm always like, you know, we got to go back to your arms a little bit, which we hadn't done since she was really little. And she ended up getting away from because it was tough to play softball with it on her arms, because she was swinging your arms, right? She felt like the pod would wobble. And it felt like it was pulling and she didn't like that. So I'm saying, we don't get as good of control on the legs as we do on your stomach. And we can't just keep using your stomach forever. And I you know, explain the whole thing to her about why she understands why you can't just use the same places over and over again. And then when I'm like, let's use your arm. She's like, now, like, right away, I don't want to do that. You can see it it. It heightens your anxiety, it makes her it makes her frightened. So when she gets the surgery, we go in for the pre op consultation. I said the doctor so you know, she has an insulin pump. We can put it on her legs or stomach or arms. Obviously, you can't be on the stomach for the surgery. Where would you prefer? And because he because the surgery was going to be happening on our sides. They just didn't want to on our legs because they didn't want to lean on it or something like that. So the guys like arm. And I just, it was so hard for me to hold my smile. And when he said arms. I was like, Well, if that's what you want. We'll work that out. And I looked over at her super seriously. And as soon as he left the room, she looked at me and she's like, you're enjoying this because I have to use my arms for though I was like, No, I don't know what you're talking about. But I was so happy. You know,

Alison 11:36
your daughter is about to have surgery and you're smiling because I finally figured

Scott Benner 11:39
out a way to get her pump onto her arm. I was like well I when you know. And like it was some sort of like a Dorrance like I was like I sweated her out finally. And she's been back and forth on our arms now for a couple of weeks. And she doesn't mind it. So the only thing we have left to get over is her wanting to not like it. If that makes sense. You know, because she's our

Unknown Speaker 12:03
course.

Scott Benner 12:05
In this morning, we changed her pod before she went to school. And she's like, I think I can put it back on my stomach. And I was like, I don't know, I think it needs more time. But anyway, but anyway, this is a big problem for a lot of people, you know, because you just get so kind of like and it's I don't think it's something people think about but it happens with injections to with kids. You know, when I was growing up, my friend Mike would just bang them into his stomach like it was nothing.

Alison 12:31
A lot of adults do their stomach. Mm hmm.

Unknown Speaker 12:34
Yeah, I I've seen Yeah,

Scott Benner 12:36
it's a just grab a little fat. They're like, bang, they seem to think nothing. I don't even

Unknown Speaker 12:39
flinch. Right. My point he won't. He won't do that.

Scott Benner 12:43
No. Well, my point in telling the story is that you have to look for an avenue somewhere like you hear me joke with people sometimes like, you know, just buy them off, like give them money or toys like i a woman recently got her kid to use an insulin pump by buying them like a Lego set. It's like there's I know, I don't see anything wrong with

Alison 13:00
that. bribery is the key to parenting.

Scott Benner 13:02
I mean, if you want to do it easy instead of well, it's 100%.

Unknown Speaker 13:06
Right? Absolutely.

Unknown Speaker 13:08
Anyway.

Scott Benner 13:10
So you are on the show today. I remember you want to talk about kind of like fear and anxiety and social media like that kind of mix. But am I right about that?

Unknown Speaker 13:21
Yeah.

Scott Benner 13:22
Tell me what made you reach out.

Unknown Speaker 13:26
So

Alison 13:29
when Benny was first diagnosed,

I remember coming out of the hospital.

In a days, I was just in a daze.

Unknown Speaker 13:42
And

Alison 13:45
our endocrinologist, I have to say was really great. You know, he came into the room on the first day of diagnosis. And he said, Listen, Benjamin is a healthy kid with diabetes. And in a lot of ways, to us, that's how we live and it's true for us. But I couldn't pull myself out of the dais. And so part of what I did was I went online, found your podcast, people told me to join support groups and go online and find the Facebook group for your town or join all these Facebook groups. And so I did that. And I mean, he was home from pre K. So he was he was home a lot with me in the beginning. And I remember just sort of scrolling through social media.

And I remember it's actually scaring me a lot. I think. Sometimes it made things worse, and I was looking for some sort of answer for it to be okay. And when I went online, I was like, Oh my god, everyone else is freaking out too. And they're still freaking out. So it was like are they gonna Do we come out of this? Is there always is there always is there another side to this? And for what I could, from what I was reading, I couldn't see that. Which was funny because when I listened to your podcast, I remember the first time I listened to your podcast, Benjamin was taking a bath as he was in the bathtub. And it was his first few days out of diagnosis, I was looking at him. And when you come out of the hospital, you're sort of and this sounds horrible, but you're sort of ready for them to sort of, you're sort of ready for something really bad to happen at any second. Watching him and listening to your podcast and thinking, Man, this guy is he's so calm. Why is he so calm? He should be freaking out too.

Scott Benner 15:47
I can forget it. You want me to but

Alison 15:50
I mean, you were just you were talking about diabetes, like it was diabetes. And I hadn't really encountered that anywhere else.

Scott Benner 16:01
Okay. Well, I didn't know how you were going to answer the question. And I'm not gonna lie. I'm excited about how you answered the question. Because I'm glad Yes. I'm glad to respond. And I'll tell you, I'll tell you why. Because first of all, it's the internet, right? People don't go to the internet to say great things. That's not what the internet's for. The internet's for. Listen. It's for email. It's for pornography. And it's for complaining. That's what the internet is for. as near as I can tell in dating now that the the app world is and that's not even the internet it is but

Unknown Speaker 16:34
it doesn't even work well, so

Scott Benner 16:35
well. Everyone you know, you love it once in a while. We're like we met on Tinder and we're married now. Like, you're the one story of that, aren't you? But okay.

Unknown Speaker 16:45
Talk to you in a couple years. It's

Scott Benner 16:46
more like I met someone on Tinder. Now I hide in my house. But But No, but seriously, I know nothing about dating on Tinder. And I hope not to have to find out.

Unknown Speaker 16:54
We're both married. Yeah. Odds are

Scott Benner 16:56
though at some point, at some point, Kelly's gonna get sick of me and leave. So I'm probably gonna have to keep abreast of this a little bit. But, but no, my but my serious point is that there are so I think there's levels of thought, right? You can you can look at a problem and see the surface. And that's easy. Most people can see the surface. Every once in a while somebody gets confused and think they see one thing when they see another thing, you know, we talked about that sometimes, like the pencil in the pocket, kind of an idea. Like, right, you think you know what you're saying. But when you start chipping away at ideas, there's levels after levels after levels and things compound and they and they come in from all different angles and perspectives and and change the problem. Things are not easy, nothing is easy to understand, right? You need a wide view, you need to be calm, but most people look at something make a snap judgment, and then that's what they think of it. And in the you know, in the diabetes space in general. You know, there are some people who talk about it really thoughtfully. And you know, that's why I love Jenny. Because Jenny breaks things down. She She thinks on levels. She sees what impacts you know, from from places you don't notice. But then they're just some people will say things like, don't share your graph online. It makes people sad. Like, hey, how do you know that? It made you sad? It doesn't mean it makes people sad. It means it makes you sad. And you have a blog. So now that's a rule. You know what I mean? Like, I don't get that. And then I heard from someone recently. Oh, do you mind doing Arden's lunch real quick?

Unknown Speaker 18:35
No, I don't hold my writing or

Scott Benner 18:37
is it Alright, hold on, I first have to find out she's hungry cuz she's in the middle to the end of her period, and she has not been as hungry lately. We bolused really hardly for dinner last night. She's like, I could eat all this. gave her the insulin and like three seconds later, she's like, I don't want this soup. I was like you gotta be and now her friends are sending me pictures of themselves. Instead of instead of answering my question, oh, just

Unknown Speaker 19:05
past the phone time at school.

Scott Benner 19:07
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So let me thank bagel banana cookies. Grapes, cherries, she's gonna eat the grapes and the cherries, the cookies. 2035 bed sheets half of the banana 45 Why don't we do 55 carbs? People are like he got the 45 and then just added 10 for no reason. You're right. I did. Okay,

Unknown Speaker 23:50
so I'm gonna do

Scott Benner 23:52
I'm gonna have her do 50 carbs. But tell me if you eat that seems good. Mmm, I'd be fine. But Amanda

Alison 24:05
Arden is like my daughter in the sense of the eat the same thing every day.

Scott Benner 24:09
Yeah. It I don't think she wants to. But every time I take her to the grocery store, it's about once a month. This is a parenting skill I have, which is I am. I'm a hopeful person. It's funny, because if you knew me personally, you'd be like, I think Scott's not a hopeful person. I think he's like really cynical. But I'm super hopeful, right? I always think that people are going to do the best they can. And and I try things over and over again. When they prove out wrong. Doesn't matter. I'm like, this is right. I should do this. So my kids, I take shopping with me once a month and I'm like walk around the store. Find anything you want to try. I'll buy it. And every time they buy the same stuff. They never try anything though, and it never works. So I it's not that Arden's repetitive because I'm like, Look, these are the five things I buy. It's just she won't try Something new at lunchtime. But at any other point in her life, she mostly try anything. She's no real aversion to any food. But when you say take it to school, it somehow changes things for she's like, I just want these things.

Alison 25:13
Again, it's habit. And also I told my daughter, I say, look at what the other kids are eating or class. Is there anything that you like? Do you want to steal anyone else's lunch ideas? Anyone snack because I do not

Scott Benner 25:26
know it's okay. We made my son meatballs for years wouldn't touch them one day, he's at his cousin's house, they have meatballs, he was probably pressured into eating them. He comes home, he goes, Hey, you know what, I like? meatballs. My wife almost killed him. Like, I thought she was gonna, like, throw them out of a door. Like you don't I mean, like, She's like, wait, you we we've been throwing meatballs away for six years? You

Unknown Speaker 25:45
know, that's good peer pressure.

Unknown Speaker 25:48
Yeah, right. When peer pressure works. Wow.

Unknown Speaker 25:51
That could be the title of this episode, when peer pressure works.

Scott Benner 25:55
So okay, so back to the social media idea, right? People? Um, you know, they see something, and they just say to themselves, well, this is the answer. This was my first thought about this. And so this is the answer. And that's just not how things work. So, you know, so you see, a lot of times that happened, don't share your graphs, it makes people feel bad. Well, I happen to get to talk to more people than just my own thoughts. And what I hear overwhelming from people is, hear seeing someone do well, is hopeful. It's not, it doesn't beat you up. It doesn't listen, it's not great. It's not a great feeling to see like, oh, wow, there are people doing this. And I'm not if you choose to see it that way, what you should choose to see is, that's possible. And I say that on the show a lot. You see somebody doing better than you at anything, you should think, oh, that's possible. Don't be jealous of them be excited that that's the thing that happens. And you know, I it's not that a person with a flatter graph than you or a lower graph than you is lucky. They don't have a better kind of diabetes than you do. You know, like they just they know something you don't know, find out what that thing is.

Alison 27:09
And yes, absolutely let it inspire you and rip

Scott Benner 27:11
them off. Just like the idea of the lunches. Boy, this is really coming together, you would think I plan this? Seriously, it's one of my like, tiny superpowers talking and making things connect. I don't know how it happens.

Unknown Speaker 27:26
But that's impressive.

Scott Benner 27:27
Thank you. And another one of my superpowers is to get people to say nice things about me. No, but seriously. So I don't believe in that I don't believe in don't share your graph, I believe in share your graph, show people look, look at how well this is going and then say, I don't know how the heck I did this. Or here's how I did this. Or, you know, but don't don't just throw it out there and be like, I'm better at this new go to hell. Like that's not the point. Right? The point is to be, you know, an example for someone else. And anyone who sees that example and right away wants to erase it from the world. I don't trust them. Like, I don't, I don't like that idea. There's so much fear, like so now. People are afraid of their insulin, causing them issues with their blood sugar. And now we're gonna make them afraid of good examples. Like, why don't we just why don't we just drag them into a dark room and starve them to death? Like, what's the point? What's the point of being alive? You know,

Unknown Speaker 28:23
like putting them in a blindfold?

Scott Benner 28:25
Yeah, yeah, take them out to pasture. They're done already. Like it didn't work out for you on the first day. So give up. Like, that's how it feels to me. And so we're so busy protecting perceived ideas of what people's feelings are, that we don't bother trying or reaching. And I don't get that. So I don't want to be reactive, productive, productive. Reactive would be like, if I got a piece of paper, and I blacked out something I want to be productive, right. I think I redacted from probably all the news in the world. Anyway, I don't want to be I don't want to be reductive. Because there are some people who have anxiety issues. And I'm going to assume that those things are harder for them. But this week's episode of the podcast, which by the time you hear Allison, maybe, you know, last year was like Episode 293 or 294. with Megan, right? And Megan talked about her anxiety. But she also said in that episode, that she found it hopeful that other people were doing well. So don't put your bs on other people and decide what they get to look at and what they don't get to look at. And don't go out into the public and you know, and be nasty to people don't don't just run around going I'm doing better than you nananananana but you know, I don't know. I just I feel very strongly about this. I don't like when people dumb down this space. And it happens more often than it should I think.

Alison 29:51
Yeah, and I think there's also another sort of layer to it. When you're talking about the fear, and I think that's fear as a parent, which was Are you experienced with Arden, especially when she was younger? Um, I think people as bet once been he was I noticed. And as he as, as the D started to pile up, and you know, 10 months in now, and there are days that we don't think about diabetes all day long. Yeah, of course, we don't. We, I don't look at him and I don't think diabetes, I look at him. And he's funny, and he's funny. And he has this amazing personalities growing into this. Still little, but he's growing into a person. And I think some it's so hard for some parents, because they're so afraid, just sort of snap out of that, and see their kid as a kid, with diaper, eds and sort of not the other way around. And I don't know how you feel about that. But we've seen it on so many levels. Was there a time when you never thought this time would come? Oh, yeah. Okay, the first two months, I would say, the first two months, I was waiting him for him to sort of drop, I remember bringing him to the playground. And you my husband, I were really lucky because we actually knew a bunch of people who have had type one for a long time. And, you know, it hasn't went to high school, elementary school and middle school and high school with a woman who now is an endocrinologist. She's had type one forever. There's a, someone he works with who's had diabetes for a really long time, and type one. And I also have a friend who is type one, and they were super supportive in the beginning to which I think really helped us sort of get our feet on the ground.

Scott Benner 31:46
But look at that you had all that knowledge and those people and still you felt like this is never gonna change. Right? So So even with good examples around you in real life, it probably still wasn't enough to go Yeah, but this will be okay. For me. You probably thought I'll be the exception. These people are all doing great. We're gonna be terrible. Is that I felt Yeah, cuz Where do you get self confidence from about a disease that you just found out about five seconds ago?

Unknown Speaker 32:12
Right. All right.

Scott Benner 32:14
All right. Awesome. You're all wrapped up. But you're all revved up. Now. I like this. We're moving.

Unknown Speaker 32:18
Oh, good. God. Yeah.

Scott Benner 32:19
Yeah, I love this. Okay, so, okay, I want to stay in this for another minute. Because if you stop and think about who reaches out into the world for help, it's people who are more newly diagnosed, really struggling, or have gotten the information that they are at the point now where like, this can't be right, like, you know what I mean, like, maybe there's something else going on here. Those are the three people I hear from the most new and scared, not going well. Starting to figure it out, blah, blah, blah, they get out into the world. So the internet's an interesting thing. And I've been around it long enough around diabetes, to know that people come and they go, and that's hard to hear, right. But I will interact with someone this month, that I won't know, six months from now. Right? They'll just be gone with any luck, they'll, you know, they won't need the Facebook page anymore. Or they'll keep listening to the podcast, but they won't interact over social media. Like however it ends up happening. That's got to be the goal, right? I write I need to be comfortable enough thinking that the the information that I'm putting in the world is valuable enough that new people will find it through the old people. But I can't be a person who says, Let me keep putting out new information that keeps people scared and keeps them here. Yes, right. Right. I, my my, my goal is not to raise my children have them live with me for the rest of my life. I want them to go live their own lives. I'll be sad when they leave. But I don't I don't want to hold them back. And, and so that's the goal. And that's what happens for most people. There are very few people like me who stay behind to say, Hey, here's all the stuff I learned. I'm just gonna stay here and keep telling it to you. And let's be honest, why? Right, like I was writing a blog. So I kept doing it. I saw it helping people It felt good. I have kind of a caregivers mentality. So that fit me. Then I found the podcasting and not lying to you. I enjoy talking to you. I enjoy talking to the other people who come on here. And and so this is something I like, it's not something I'm doing because I have an ad to, you know, to get out. It's not that it's not because I have a bill to pay. It's because I enjoy it. I think it's valuable. There are some people who are just doing it to make their money. There. There are some people who are doing it for ego. There are plenty of people who probably think I'm one of those people. You can think that if you want no i don't think well, I wasn't talking to you. I was talking to the people. And there are a couple and that's fine, you know But But you have to realize that this should be, I find these people that who are starting one of these couple of fragile situations, show them what I know. Hopefully that's valuable to them, and it helps them and then they should go on and live their lives. But if we treat those people with kid gloves when they show up like they're fragile eggs, and they can't handle hearing anything, well, that's just going to keep them where they're at. And maybe some of them can't handle it. But that's not a good reason not to tell all the others who can handle it. And I don't know how to figure out who's who. So I'm not going to least common denominator to the things I'm putting into the world. That's how I've decided to handle it. And it sounds like that was helpful to you. Am I right?

Alison 35:49
Yeah, absolutely. Being able to? Well, first the decks calm was, was so super helpful. Once we got that, and we actually saw what was going on, um, being but feeling like we were starting to take charge of diabetes versus diabetes, running our lives, our lives.

That that's when things really started to settle,

Unknown Speaker 36:14
I think, yeah.

Scott Benner 36:15
And it's just a little confidence, right? That you need somebody to give you because where else you're gonna get it from. And, you know, some good information, like you said, the CGM really helped you. I have to say, like, you know, I feel like we can open like, pull this curtain back for people. So I just did a talk on Sunday. And, you know, sort of, there's nowhere to be, it's not one of the bigger talks, it was in a smaller it was at a hospital for a group. So maybe 50 people, right? In the bigger talks, I can hide somewhere else and just come out on the stage and be like, hey, Scott's here, and then talk about insulin and leave. But in those I'm in the room. And so people are coming in now. It's sort of like a wedding reception, like, and I'm just like, Hi, how are you? Like standing by the door shaking hands with people. And this Sunday, you came up to me, and you're like, I'm recording with you on Wednesday. And I was like, Oh, you're Allison. And you probably were even like, knew my name from the thing. It was just, I was a little surprised. It's on my calendar. Allison. Let's Let's play it so I got to see. This is the second time I've done your group's talk. You weren't at the first one. Were you? No, no. Okay. Because your kid wouldn't have even your child was diagnosed when he was diagnosed, like two months after I did that first talk there. So, so did this talk last January 2019. And they asked me if I would come back. It's very cool, because it's run by the CDs who were in the department. And its families that are you know, coming to the hospital, a lot of adults there were some of you guys who listen who showed up. And so I gave my little talk. I think we were there probably three hours if I'm

Unknown Speaker 37:59
probably right about that.

Scott Benner 38:00
Yep. And, and then the next year, I thought, like, when they invited me back, I was like, it's just gonna be the same people. But Alright, like, I'll come, even though missing the football game, whatever. I'll do it. And. Right, right. But I got there. And really only about 10 of the 50 people were holdovers from last year.

Unknown Speaker 38:20
That's so interesting. Yeah.

Scott Benner 38:21
And I was like, well, these are all new people. And so you are in a unique situation, to give me feedback, and I am going to ask for honest feedback now, because you can help me make my talks better. We offer that for a second. Sure. All right. So to start with, because I, I, you know, let's, let's ease me into it. Start with start with what you enjoyed. And even after listening to the podcast, what you found helpful if there was anything. Okay, I'm gonna edit out that pause. So that No, I'm just kidding. No,

Alison 39:01
no, because I'm trying to think of it as someone who has not walked. See I had already listened to your podcast before. So a lot of the things that you were talking about, I hadn't known already.

Scott Benner 39:12
Okay, well, then let's say I'm listening to you what's asked this question, then? Yeah. Does it work live? Would you need the podcast? Like the like, did was there enough time to get it out?

Alison 39:24
What you said was really amazing. It really struck me. Um, when you said something about, I'm not here to give you something like, this is totally spitballing here, but he said something like, I'm not here to give you the intricacies of this. I'm here to give you the overarching ideas that I use, that I know work that work for all of these other people. And I'm doing this so that you're interested enough and you see hope enough to go to the podcast. really listen, and listen to what I have to say. And you brought home the ideas well enough. And the idea is well enough. And the woman who was sitting next to Nope, she doesn't mind me talking about her, but she has had type one diabetes. And she told me she was 21 months old. Well, and I could see that she was really understanding what you're saying. And she had not really listened to your podcast. So she was sort of new to listening to you. And the things that she was that you were saying she was nodding, saying, Yeah, yeah, I get it. And they make sense. They're logical. And you use real world ideas and concepts to bring those things home.

Scott Benner 40:50
Okay, well, that's good. I, I'm happy to hear that. Because it's not enough time. It's obviously I mean, the podcast is now 300 episodes long, in my opinion, you should just listen to all of them if you really want to get the feeling for what you need to be doing. But I obviously don't have 300 hours. So yeah, my my thought is, these are the main parts. Here's the big idea. Here's an example of how it works. Can you you know, just get them to the point where they're like, yeah, that does make sense to me. And then they're gonna have to go home and find out more on their own. Like some people. It's amazing. Some people just from that talk, they leap right into it. That always fascinates, right? Like, I'm like, Wow, you really, like added your own information to what I said, like me, there must be some outside information that you added to this. But some people still struggle there are some people are just walk out. And they're just like, it doesn't make sense to me. And they might not never try it again. But I didn't. So I'm asking you like, do you see a better way? Having listened to the podcast and been at a talk? Is there something I could be doing that I'm not that you think might be valuable? It's also okay to say no, Scott, you're doing a perfect job. But I'm just I'm really interested if you think so?

Alison 42:07
No, because I think I don't think there's anything I think you've I think you've perfected it in a way. That is totally understandable for people. And here's why I say that. Because I think your biggest concept is you need the insulin and the food to be working at the same time. Right? Really? That's, that's she needs to know about diabetes, and they will tell you that the hospital,

Unknown Speaker 42:33
right? Right. They don't tell you that.

Scott Benner 42:37
Well, if they did, I wouldn't have a podcast. I mean, it really, really is the whole thing. Here's the truth, right? Here's how the podcast should go. Hello, and welcome to the first episode of the Juicebox Podcast. Make sure your insulins working while your food's working, you know, so when the insolence trying to pull you down in the foods trying to pull you up. They're kind of doing it at the same time. Okay, thanks so much for coming. You'll figure out the rest.

Unknown Speaker 43:00
Yeah, they told us. I mean, they told us

Alison 43:03
when we left the hospital, they said, you know, after Benny eats, see how much he eats and give him an insulin. Here's the the calculation you use. And I remember I walked home, we had this huge stack of paper, these charts for what he ate and the card counts, and how to do the math. And I don't you know, now I'm like you, I don't really, really know. I don't really card count. I can look at a plate and I say, Hey, this is what I think, based on what his blood sugar is right now. How much insulin he is gonna need. And here's what I think he's gonna need it.

Scott Benner 43:43
Yeah, I mean, you picked it up in 10 months, right? So it's, that's really cool. How do I do with the bazel? Like, did you understand? Was I clear about bazel? Because like talking about Oh, yeah,

Unknown Speaker 43:54
you know, one thing I thought that there we go. Sure if you said it, but what?

Unknown Speaker 43:59
I got my pen.

Alison 44:01
Uh, you were saying a lot that bazel is the most important thing. thing, which is what I've found 100% if we can tell, on a day when Benjamin's bazel is off that his bazel is off. His graph is crazy. Which doesn't happen very often. But with MDI, it's a little hard because sometimes, you know, you get sort of one shot at it. And sometimes, like, if we don't hold it in long enough, or we haven't pulled it out exactly the amount that he needs, his visa will be off for the day, okay. And which is annoying. But one thing that you said on the podcast that you didn't say that talk was that it's sort of the volume, and that's how we look at it. We sort of BS our bazel on what one how fast his blood sugar tends to move up and down. So when our So on the bad days, we get a lot of skyrocket up, crash skyrocket up crash happen often right and but then also we can tell overnight how has Basal is doing by sort of where it lands sort of the volume it lands at So, no sometimes we get a good 195 90 those are the those are when is diesel is that's when it's bazel is on point.

Scott Benner 45:29
So I'm not following the volume part though. Are you? You mean like an analogy about sound? Or do you mean about like liquid? Like volume like enough?

Alison 45:37
No, I mean, like sound like sound? So I turning

Scott Benner 45:40
it up and I didn't say that I felt like I did. Maybe you stopped listening. You might have been like swept off with I can't believe the guy from the podcast here. So exciting. Oh, my God. By the way, if you thought that seek mental health. You need to do psychiatry. But I felt like but I will make sure I wrote it down. I will double make sure that I say it like so that analogy works for you. The idea of turn it off until it and then bring it back down again. Okay. All right. Good. Thank you. Do I talk too fast? Well, you're from Jersey, you don't you don't know you? I know I can I

Unknown Speaker 46:16
just like whatever. I can hear anyone?

Scott Benner 46:18
Yeah. Yeah, I'm six people talking at the same time. You'd be like, yeah, I get you

Unknown Speaker 46:22
know, listening. Right. So, um,

Scott Benner 46:26
how fast that I look. That's important to know was I don't okay. I mean, trying my hardest, you know, they mean?

Unknown Speaker 46:33
Yeah, he looks fat.

Scott Benner 46:34
Yeah, that's what I thought I seriously a week before I go to any speaking thing. I literally cut out carbohydrates. no carbs. I

Unknown Speaker 46:44
drained all carbs. Fingers crossed.

Scott Benner 46:47
I just drained all the liquid out of my body right before I go. Like I get there in the morning. Like you want to eat them? Like, I feel like that would be a bad idea.

Unknown Speaker 46:55
Also a smaller

Unknown Speaker 46:56
rule. Mm hmm.

Alison 47:00
So so I'm sure you're like, No, I'm sure you're used to and you are, you're sort of on it. Like you were saying, You're used to talking on a stage you were sort of on our level. Yes, I could get you did seem a little bit nervous at first.

Scott Benner 47:11
Yeah, we got into Oh, because I'm like, I don't like the angle you're looking at me from just like, oh my god, geez, I know how this must look. It's also I'll tell you the one thing where I, when I start where I probably don't look completely like set settled yet is that I'm not so so I don't know if you've ever spoken to a bunch of people with the the intention of saying 10 things that are kind of complicated. But I would assume that most people have it down to some sort of a, I don't know, I just I just stand up there. And five seconds before I start talking, I think to myself, explain how insulin works to these people. And then I start talking. I don't think one of my talks has ever been the same. When I left there. I asked the CDs. Interesting. We had a conversation at the end that I had with the three CDs, and I said, um, how do I do? I didn't it wasn't real repetitive from last year, right? And one was like, it didn't seem anything like last year. And I was like, Oh, good. And then at the same time, I was like, maybe that's not good. Okay, I like how to lay. Because I said the same stuff. I just didn't say it the same way. Because I just don't want it to become repetitive. But it was funny.

Alison 48:28
I don't want it to sound scripted, too.

Scott Benner 48:31
Yeah, that to me, then it would get boring. And then if it's boring, then you're not listening. And it's boring.

Unknown Speaker 48:36
Yeah, cuz it's scripted. It would be boring. Oh,

Scott Benner 48:38
my God. Well, I'm talking about diabetes. It's not like, I'm not telling you the story of the time that me and a hooker and an elephant, you know, gotten in a plane and went to, you know, by the way, it wasn't a hooker, or an elephant, but me and somebody and somebody got into a plane into the thing. I get that. Okay, that's good. It's funny, because at the end, I said, I'm sorry, if I went really long, and they're like, no, this is this was fine. I said, The truth is, and I said it to you a little bit earlier. In a perfect world, I'd go and like, Go look, get your Basal, right. Learn your Pre-Bolus time. You know, try to stay flexible. bumping nudge, you're probably going to use more insulin than you think you're probably gonna use more baisley you think? Alright, I'm out of here. You know, to me, like, like, in the end, that really is. That is what I'm there to say. You know, and so I just do you find stories helpful. Like, did you find like the boy, the boy and the Cheerios? Like, did you find that story interesting for thinking about how food impacts insulin instead of

Unknown Speaker 49:39
Yeah, hundred percent.

Scott Benner 49:40
Okay, good. All right. Good. All right. I'm doing fine. What am I worried about?

Alison 49:44
Yeah, no, I think I think

going off experience stories, it makes it relatable. It's easier to listen to and you're still bringing home the key concepts. Yeah. So I really did think you did a great JOHN, thank you very good job.

Scott Benner 50:01
Was it weird that at no point did I show you a picture of art? And did you ever think maybe the kid doesn't have a daughter? He's making this all up?

Alison 50:07
No, I just think she probably doesn't want you to show her a picture. You don't?

Scott Benner 50:10
Yeah, she's not. She's not like, She's like, don't put my picture up there. Like, gotcha. Yeah, I didn't even ask her. She was just like, I don't like, even though like the podcasts, like the icons, the podcast and everything. They were always pictures of her when she was really little, like three years old. And one day, she was like, I do not want to look like a baby on the internet. And I was like, gotcha. So we just did away with them. And, you know, with this something else? All right, cool. All right. So where do you go from here? When your kids only four and a half? You've had diabetes for 10 months? Like, are you? This is a long haul scenario for you. Right? Like you're thinking about the next 20 years? Right? Maybe Maybe you can marry him off in his late 20s and get some girl to help him? You know, but like, this seems like a big How do you plan for the long haul? Do you think about it? Are you more of a one day at a time person? Or what are your? Like? What are your big ideas around around Benny's diabetes?

Alison 51:10
Yeah, that's a really interesting question.

Unknown Speaker 51:14
I, I'm,

Alison 51:17
I think I'm a little bit of both. I don't know how you have a long term plan for diabetes. I'm just hoping one day within the next 20 years, he'll have some sort of weird robot part that just handles his diabetes for him. I don't know if that's ever gonna happen. But we do the day to day, we really did. Do the day to day. Yeah.

Scott Benner 51:41
Is he so small right now you, it's probably just about like, let me get him to school with a pump. And like, I'll figure out how to get that done. And then we'll figure out the next piece. And I think that's, listen, I never know what anybody's gonna say when I asked them a question. But I think that if you're spending time with your kids, four and a half worrying about what's going to happen when they're going to college, you have, you know, you have found a way to worry, that probably isn't necessary. You don't I mean, and so that's cool. I think it's day to day. And I think that what you said about there are some days I don't think about diabetes, I think that's astonishing for 10 months, and that's excellent. Actually,

Alison 52:20
my main objective for having a, a young kid with diabetes is for him to never feel like his diabetes is bigger than he is.

Scott Benner 52:36
Yeah, I think my, my goal ends up being the thing, I end up wearing it when it works, it's the thing you worry about, too. So my goal is for Arden, not to feel like she has diabetes, and you know, as much as possible. And at the same time, there's times, you know, like you just pay attention to that place because and you know, so it's, it's weird, you put her in a scenario where she's just like, Yo, this works, I'm good. These are the things I do these things do this, everything's okay. It really is more about the timing the amount and the settings than it is about anything else. I always like when I hear people, I saw somebody the other day, who I think of is a real kind of icon in the space of people sharing diabetes information with other people. And this person is talking about being burned down. And I'm only watching from afar, whatever they're willing to share online, obviously, I'm not not in their house, you know. But I get that like just not wanting to do it, or just, you know, rather doing something else. You're being so busy that it's not it doesn't come first. All that stuff I completely understand. But as I see them, I think is it just like are you just are your settings wrong? Are you just like, like, why is it that much trouble to begin with?

Unknown Speaker 53:54
That's how I feel about it. Right?

Scott Benner 53:56
That's the thing I can't understand. I know why not understand. And and I you know, I don't reach out I don't know the person well enough to do something like that. But, but that's what I keep thinking cuz there's days I don't want to deal with. I've seen there's days for arms, like you have to be kidding me. We're changing this pump today. You don't mean like, and again, it's been three days, you know, and and it's just a look on our face. Like I've got homework, and I don't want to you know, like all that stuff. But it's a couple of minutes. It's the pump, it's filled, the pump goes on, you push the button, it's over. You keep going. Like it literally is five minutes. And yeah, like start to finish. And when your kids are younger, it takes longer, but trust me as they get older. I could. Let's just say this. I think if you could give me a tray that things stuck to. I could ride a bicycle and fill in on the pod and stick it on myself. Right? Like it's just it's super simple to do. Same thing with the CGM like boom, boom, boom. It's like you know,

Alison 54:56
I try to look at it sorry to pay off but I look at it as just annoying. things you have to do during the day. There are all a lot of annoying things that I have to do that we all have to do. Mm hmm.

Scott Benner 55:08
Well, you're married. So you have a different perspective.

Alison 55:11
Yeah, that is true. But I, you know, I was like you, I mean, when you were, we were at the top here at hanging out, like missing, I was the same way. I was the same way with school. Okay. Um, and, and like, that was a, it was annoying to me to go to school, not saying diabetes, the same thing. But I'm just saying life is a series of like, really annoying things. And so, you know, Benny's Dexcom is out tomorrow, and we're gonna have to change it. It's not his favorite. But bam, we change it, this is the situation just try and move on. There's nothing we can do about it. So it's funny,

Scott Benner 55:50
I saw I grew up really broke, like super broke. And so there are plenty of things that I just think of as tasks, right? Like they need to get done, and they get done and you do them because there's no other option can't buy your way out of them, you can't get somebody else to do them for you. You know, that stuff, like I've just always grown up that way, like just put your head down and do it. But at the same time, I think that if you want to know one of the reasons, I feel like I'm successful with helping my daughter with diabetes, it's because I see my to do list as very fluid. And so when I make a list of things in my mind, or on a piece of paper on my phone that I need to get done both today, this week, this month, this year, those things just they can, they are constantly reordering themselves. You know what I mean? Like, I don't write the list down. And now go, I have to now I did the first thing. And now the fifth thing is yelling at me. But I have to do two, three and four before I get to five, like my brain does not work. And I'm like, Alright, five is random either five now goes to one. And and so now I do five. And I think you'll find as you go along that there are some things in life that you would be nice to get done. But if they don't get done, it's not really the end of the world. And you know, pay your bills on time. You know that stuff. Make sure there's food in the house that stuff. But you know, you're really meant to, I don't know. So a hole in a pair of pants you have and it doesn't get done. doesn't get done. You know, like, like, you can't make

Unknown Speaker 57:26
pants.

Scott Benner 57:27
You don't sew holes and pants you so holes closed. Oh, so just kidding. No, no, I'm just joking. You didn't have to apologize. Um, well, I stitch up some clothing if I like it, and often I don't want it to keep wrapping Sure. I've been a stay at home dad for 20 years. I clean toilets, take out the garbage, clean the floors, do the dishes. I the other day. I'm mumbling to myself. And Arne goes, What are you saying? And I said, I'm saying? I said I'm saying wash the pan, make the pan dirty. Wash the pan, make the pan dirty. Wash the pan make the pan?

Unknown Speaker 58:01
She's like you're about to commit?

Scott Benner 58:03
Yeah. She's like Yari? No, Mike, I've watched this pot four times the day someone needs to stop eating for a while, like, what do you just give up for a minute. But my son's home from school, they all get up at different times get on your break? Yeah, kind of stuff like that. I don't know, like, you know, but I'm not washing the pot thinking about Oh, the thing that's 10th on my list, I've pushed down three times, and I don't get mental about that stuff. And I so I do that with diabetes, too. There's what's important. It's like nice to haves and nice to haves. So then I take care of the needs as the needs turn from nice to need. That's all. Yeah, and then sometimes nothing needs to be done. And that's when you relax and Coast. Right? I mean, is that not life? Maybe I'm wrong.

Unknown Speaker 58:51
I don't know. good moments, bad moments, annoying moments.

Scott Benner 58:56
Right? And here's one for you. You want to get a little deeper?

Unknown Speaker 59:00
Sure.

Scott Benner 59:02
Every day is not gonna be terrific.

Unknown Speaker 59:04
No, you don't mean like

Scott Benner 59:06
if you wake up every day go and this day better be terrific. I better be happy and smiling. I'm not saying like I'm walking around like dragging myself around thinking like, Oh, I just need to find a window to talk myself out of but I'm just saying like, some days aren't super exciting. You said something earlier that I thought was very mature and like indicative of a parent and a married person. You said something like the day started piling up. And I thought that is interesting. If you've been alive for a while you realize there are a lot of days. And you know what I mean? And that they're not all gonna get to be you know, they're not all the day you went to Rockefeller Center, went skating saw the you know, saw the saw the girls kick for the Christmas show and then get your picture taken in front of the cathedral and then bumped into Jeremy Irons like that, you know, that's by the way that actually happened with me one day, which is where

Unknown Speaker 59:59
that whole day happened to you?

Scott Benner 1:00:00
Yeah, Jeremy Irons was right in New York. And he was shopping at Christmas. And I was like scar. Right? Right. Like we got your scar. So we just everybody looked at him, we're like, yo, Jeremy Irons. And he was like, hello. And then we just lock the layer like was back before cell phone cameras. So you were just like, the guy from The Lion King and other films. And right now people are like Jeremy Irons is from this not the Lion King, but and

Alison 1:00:31
he definitely has the better version of be prepared. 100%

Scott Benner 1:00:35
of course, first of all, and secondly, number one super skinny guy.

Unknown Speaker 1:00:39
Really, I found myself

Unknown Speaker 1:00:40
thinking, could I just break Jeremy Irons in half if I needed to? Probably I

Unknown Speaker 1:00:46
would definitely be a story man be a day.

Scott Benner 1:00:49
Went to the Christmas show. Ice skating saw the tree broke Jeremy Irons and F for no reason. Just because he looked brutal. No, but but my point is, is that every day can't be that day. Yeah, you know what I mean? Like and so with diabetes every day can't be the day you don't think about diabetes. It doesn't make the day you have to think about it. Some horrible, depressing slides just that's such a huge thing. Right? Yeah, it's such a huge thing. be hopeful. That's sort of how it seems to me, and the rest of it kind of comes together. Okay, so you didn't say but when do you have a pump in mind for Benny when you try to get him on a pump?

Alison 1:01:31
Yeah, we're definitely gonna put them on the pod for definitely

Scott Benner 1:01:35
no ads on this show. Just know, just go to the links, you'll be all set. No, I'm, I. I'm a fan, obviously. And they're their sponsors. Because we have such a good time using the Omnipod. For so long. It just it's consistent. It's a it's a workhorse in our life. Right? Like it doesn't, it doesn't let you down and it does what it's supposed to do. It does the way you expect it to do it. It does without tubing boom. I find it, you know, for little kids, or adults doesn't matter to me. Like I find like when you say something about something and you're like, Oh, it's great for kids because of this, then people like suddenly think well, it's not good for other people then but that's not the case. Like that thing. I just love it. I think it's terrific. Do you think Has he seen it yet? Have you

Alison 1:02:21
he has so he is not a big fan of putting on the Dexcom Mm hmm. And so it's been partially why we have sort of held off on the pump. He doesn't really want to be wearing something else. Mm hmm. So that's where we're at right now. about it. But you know, it's it's all like getting into the routine of things.

Scott Benner 1:02:46
Yeah. And you're doing well with MDI. It's not like you be not pressured to move. You can do it. When you're comfortable doing it. How, um, how would you mind sharing? what is success look like? What are your goals, you know, day to day and a once a day, once a day.

Alison 1:03:03
So his first when he was diagnosed, he was we caught it really early. So he was maybe seven something when he was diagnosed. Hmm. And we, with the honeymooning and stuff like that we were able to bring it down to force for seven times. And then his last endo appointment, which was last month he was five, six.

Scott Benner 1:03:27
I think that's very respectable.

Alison 1:03:29
Yeah, yeah. So we do the best we can at school. It's a look now that he's been in school since September. That time is harder because he's not with me. Although he has a great team at school, his his, the nurses, great. His teachers are great. They follow the dexcom they're really vigilant, although they don't and they don't shelter him, which is sort of where, what I really asked of them, sort of like just like every other Katie spine, but also make sure you're looking at is Dexcom.

Scott Benner 1:04:01
Yeah, you know, I realized that you say that to people. They don't really, some of them don't really hear it like they do. They pretend they are but I'm just gonna. It's my hope. But you know, artists in high school. She's a sophomore, she doesn't look like you know, she looks like every other kid. And they're to drop off points in the front of Arden's High School one that's right at the door like a loop that takes you right to the front door. And there's a loop that kind of takes you to the top side of the parking lot where you would let your kid out and they would probably go about on a 30 cent 32nd walk to get to the front door. And they re kind of like moved around how the traffic went. And I one of the principals said to me one day, hey, I you know, I just moved the traffic, you should try the top drop off, like inferring the drop off that takes the 32nd walk and then says totally seriously and with that concerning his voice and his face, she can walk that right. And I was like, I almost for a second was like, What the heck? Are you even asking me, you know? And then I realized what he was saying. He was like, I know she has diabetes, can she make that walk? And I thought you don't understand that at all. Do you like you have no grasp of this whatsoever? And I was like, and it's not important that he does. I just went, Yeah, no problem. Anyone? Okay, great. Give it a try. Then I was like, we certainly will. But I was I drove away. I was like, Huh, there's something I never would have known had they not fixed the traffic pattern in front of the school. And he wanted to say that to me, um, but he he sees her is different, even if he doesn't say it out loud. Right. And I think that's probably fair, you know, I mean, like, he didn't know anything about diabetes. And what he really meant was like, I don't want to put her in a situation that she's not okay with. But he wasn't being like, you know, your busted up kid can walk right? Like, that's, he was just like, you know, oh, I made this suggestion to you. And now I realize, maybe, maybe I shouldn't have and he was just trying to figure it out. There was no malice, you know what I mean? It was perfectly

Unknown Speaker 1:06:11
right. It was innocent, completely, completely innocent.

Scott Benner 1:06:15
But I just think sometimes, people really expect other people to completely understand everything. And I'm like, I don't even completely understand this stuff in my life. And you know, I've used this analogy in the past. If you started telling me you got on here and started telling me about your disease that wasn't diabetes. I have no idea what I was talking. I just feeling well, it's amazing. I might, I might speak to you about it more carefully, because I know you know how people have spoken to us. Oh, hold on. Arden's back. Excuse me. One second. Sure. didn't eat the chips or the cookies. Oh, look at me. But she that means she ate the bagel.

Unknown Speaker 1:06:55
Then I want to Bolus more.

Scott Benner 1:06:59
How many more? How many more? How many more? 918? Three more units?

Okay, um, what you don't know is while we've been talking for the last five or 10 minutes I've been typing. Hello. What did you eat? Hello. What have you eating?

Alison 1:07:23
Did you do the can talk right now?

Scott Benner 1:07:25
I said I she answered me finally when I said killing that. me that. Then I got What? Oh, I didn't eat the chips. Cookies. So I just sent back Bolus, you know, three more units. Yeah, hello. Hello. It wasn't the No. Oh, I told you guys that at the thing. I don't know if I ever say that here. But when if I call art and it's not when I text if I give up and call to get the ring to kind of get her attention because she's not ignoring me on purpose. She's just not hearing it. She's just busy. The minutes that her phone rings she you know, for those of you have an iPhone, she swipes up on the thing and hits like, I'm sorry, I can't talk right now. So it sends me It stops the phone from ringing and then sends me a text it says I'm sorry, I can't talk right. That's my that's supposed to be my clue that All right, I'm paying attention now. What do you want? But this was texting. I was been texting her. Hello, hello. Um, sometimes I text her name one letter at a time. That seems to piss her off. In case you're wondering.

Unknown Speaker 1:08:27
Hey, I could see that. I could see that. Or

Scott Benner 1:08:32
the she's like what? But it opens me up or if I don't see her text. Oh my gosh. Then I start getting s see. Oh, and she doesn't stop. She hammers them out really quickly. So even once you're answering you're like, stop. I'm here and they just keep coming. And you're like,

Unknown Speaker 1:08:48
because How old is she? She's 15. Yeah, yeah. She can talk with her eyes closed.

Scott Benner 1:08:54
Yeah. Oh my god. Are you kidding me? sometimes she's talking and texting. And I'm like, That's fascinating. You know, I'm getting there, by the way. Like, can you do it a little bit? Can you text without looking? Yeah, I can. I can start imagining like, oh, the Jays over here. I'll just move in that direction. Alright, Alison, you had topics I really liked, which meant I spoke more. So I feel bad about that. But did we? Did we not do any of the things that you were hoping to talk about?

Alison 1:09:25
No, I really think we covered

I think we covered everything really touched what I wanted to what I wanted to bring home to people. Okay, so you let me down on one point.

Scott Benner 1:09:36
At no point in the podcast did you use the word jet? So that I could make the title of this episode Benny and the Jets? Yeah, so

Unknown Speaker 1:09:47
does Benny like playing again?

Unknown Speaker 1:09:51
How's Benny with planes? Does he like them at all?

Scott Benner 1:09:55
Just say Benny likes just

Unknown Speaker 1:09:58
loves jet. So I thought

Scott Benner 1:09:59
so. Thank you, Jesus, Allison get on board.

Unknown Speaker 1:10:05
Just hold my hand they'll get there eventually say the kid

Scott Benner 1:10:08
likes planes, for God's sakes make this easier on me. Now. I'm totally calling it many of the Jets.

Alison 1:10:15
Oh, 100% I didn't even think about that. But do you

Scott Benner 1:10:18
know, in my mind, what I think is people say it's called Benny in the jets and the entire time they're listening. They're like, when is this gonna be about planes? Okay,

Unknown Speaker 1:10:28
where is the song?

Scott Benner 1:10:29
Yeah, right. Are they gonna sing is just about elton john, what's going on? So that you all know, I? Alright, ready? We're gonna be a little honest. I named the podcast episodes. First of all, they're vague for for a reason. Like, because if I said to you right now, Allison, what did we talk about today? Is there a way for you to put that into a sentence?

Unknown Speaker 1:10:53
Absolutely not.

Scott Benner 1:10:53
Not right. And I think we hit three or four, maybe five important ideas about diabetes. If I start listing them, then it feels like medicine, right? Today's show is about, you know, the Internet, and share like Pope, if you told me that I'd be like, I'd be like, Oh my God, why don't I just bang my head into this door instead of listen to that, right? If I say, Allison's the mom of a four year old with type one diabetes, and everybody who's an adult ago, and that's not for me, but that wouldn't be true either. Right? And so I just picked something out from the episode. That tickled me. And I make that the title. The title almost never has anything to do with the episode, but it's just the hook. The devious part of me thinks, you know, if the thing in the title comes in the last 45 minutes, I could probably make sure you listen to the whole episode. For those people who are paying attention to that I'm I'm like a mastermind.

Alison 1:11:50
I feel like you just let us in on a big secret. Do you

Scott Benner 1:11:52
feel like you're gonna look back now some of the titles and be like, Oh, my God, that's true. This episode wasn't about that at all. It's just what they said in the last 10 minutes. And then I got to that I was like, I might as well keep listening now. Because? Because I'm not interesting enough to hold you for an hour. I don't that's not true. I don't think that at all. I think I'm incredibly interesting. How else would I make a pie? Who else would have listened? It's like being like president, right?

Unknown Speaker 1:12:19
If you're looking Oh,

Scott Benner 1:12:21
wow. How is it like being Oprah? I'm interested. Good.

Alison 1:12:25
Because Oprah is Oprah because Oprah believes in herself. And overthink, she's great. And look at her.

Scott Benner 1:12:33
All right. Well, if you have a second This podcast is gonna go longer. You good? Yeah. All right. So we're having this conversation last night. With someone in Arizona, I'm in talks to do a to go out to Arizona in May of 2020. I think it's going to happen. So if you're in the Arizona area, I think it's like may 2 or may 3 or something like that. But there'll be more details when it gets hammered down. So when someone reaches out to me, and they want me to speak, you know, the first thing they're really interested in is listening to me speak to some people hear the podcast, they know what they're getting. They're just like, we want you to come out like, just come. But some people are like, Hey, we had a colleague tell us about you, or there have been so many people who have you know, from our group, they keep asking for you to come and let me be honest with you. I don't know who you are. So you know, we get on the phone. And it's my job to sell them the idea of me, I guess, right? Sure. And so I kind of have to say, look, here's where I came from, here's my ideas. Here's how I'm going to talk to the people when I get there. This is my goal for them. You know, I kind of lay it out for them. But at the same time you're being engaging while you're talking because you want them to think, oh, I've had a good time on this phone call. I bet you he'll do the same thing when he gets here. So there's a whole lot of that going on. And I had that call last night for Arizona while I was coming home from somewhere. So I was driving. And we got along so well on the call. I thought that at the end, I said I'm so sorry. Like I sold you pretty hard. I really want to come out there. And she said Why do you want to come to Arizona so badly? I said, I've been there before I'm getting a lot of people asking me to come back. But the jdrf doesn't, they don't repeat speakers one year after the next like so I'm, I'm not coming next this year for that group. And I still would like to be in the area. So I was like I was I was trying really hard. I wanna I want to come out. And I said it's a weird thing to talk to you about this because I have to project to you confidence in what I'm saying. Confidence in my ability to come out there and reach your audience without sounding like I love myself. And I you know, and I don't but at the same time I do have a lot of confidence in my ability to come do the things I just told you. I was gonna do And so it's a weird line to walk you don't know when you're walking if you're on the wrong side of it or not. And sometimes you can be on the right side of it for some people and on the wrong side of it for other people, which everyone's perception. Right, right. I sure if you don't hear sarcasm, well, we didn't grow up around it. I could, I could totally see listening to this podcast and thinking that guy Scott is a jerk, like I would, but you don't feel like I'm a jerk. But you grew up around here where people are generally sarcastic with each other. Yeah, for no real reason.

Alison 1:15:36
or actual jerks. And I'm still not bothered, right?

Scott Benner 1:15:39
Yeah. You guys and ask but nice guy. Right, right, right. And so. So you're talking to people in other parts of the country, and you're sort of like, I don't know how I'm coming off right now. I can only be myself and it'll, it'll be what it is. But it's a really, now here's the other side of it. I've spoken at a lot of things. And I'm not always speaking 24 seven, while I'm there, you know, I do a lot more than most people like I don't just come in and do an hour, I do sometimes three or four separate hour long talks. And in some situations, I'll do one block, like I did with you guys on Sunday have like three hours. But but so I have some time to move around and listen to other people. And some people are so engaging and delightful. And I'm like, Oh, they do it so much different than me. But this is so much fun. And you know, interesting. There are some people, like you walk into the room, and you start listening and you think, how do I get out of here? Like, like, I gotta get out of here. You know, like, painful? Yeah. And and, you know, don't have any carriage of the, you know, the, you know, like, I don't even know there are some of maybe they get frozen in headlights or something like that. I don't know. But there's some of them. I think to myself, why would they have offered themselves up for this even like, this would be like if I showed up? You know? You know, at the at the Sixers game tomorrow night, I was like, I could play center for you guys tonight. They were like, really? We need a center like, absolutely. And then I got out there and realize that was you know, five, nine and 50 years old.

Alison 1:17:05
Yeah, like the bad people that try out for American Idol.

Scott Benner 1:17:08
Right? Sort of like that. Like, you're just like, why are you here? Like, why did you think this was the thing you do? It's not, you know, or, but then there's sometimes they're done. And they're so pleased. I was like, oh, wow, this is interesting. So I talked as I talked to the people who put these things on, and sometimes I asked like, How frequently do you have someone in and you're just like, Whoa, we missed on this one. And they're like, every year, every year, there's someone where you're like, how did who, who told us this person was good for this, you know? And it's sad. Like, it hurts because I'm going to tell you right now, if I do have ego around something, I don't want to show up at something and speak to an empty room. Like that would crush me. I'd be like, oh god, there's no one in here. I'm gonna fake up broken leg and get back on the plane. But I saw a person one time speak to three people in a room that held 150 people. And I felt terrible for them. Like I do.

Unknown Speaker 1:18:05
I don't think I would be able to do that.

Scott Benner 1:18:07
What would you do? Like right? Like hi head? Oh, no, everyone. Why don't we? Why don't we introduce ourselves? Like, it's like, I wouldn't know where to go from there. I just I'm telling you, if that ever happens to me, you'll hear the next thing you'll hear from people Scott got sick anyhow.

Alison 1:18:24
I feel like confidence genuine confidence comes from from three places. One, your ability to fake it. Right? Like some sort of ability to like, really be able to put on a show, fake it smile. Act like you know what you're talking about? And I guess it's I guess maybe too, and then really listening to other people. Right? So someone's like, it's like you asked me said, How did I do in my talk? Right? Because you are genuinely curious. Because you're gonna take what I say. And you're gonna use it next time, right?

Unknown Speaker 1:19:00
I said, Scott, you sucked.

Scott Benner 1:19:02
You'd be like, Oh, I would say Why? I would say tell me why. Yeah. Well, I think that, you know, being complete, not that I wasn't being serious before, but I was being a little flippant at one point, but being completely serious. I am confident with the information that I'm giving. Right, that I think if you listen to the podcast, you'll know I won't answer questions. I don't think I that I don't have an answer to I don't I don't pretend to know something. I don't know. But the things I do know, I'm confident that I know. And it's the confidence comes from writing about it for eight years, talking about it for five years, having all these conversations with all you guys and the people that I have these conversations privately with, like, that's practice. You don't I mean, it's it's it's that that I'm confident about an experience.

Yes. I don't. I never feel good about how I feel like I look like I'm like I I'm not gonna lie to you. I wish I was 62 and, you know, you know, more handsome and dashing like, but I'm over That, like, I don't care that I don't look like that. That doesn't bother me anymore. But it did in the beginning was hard. In the beginning, I was like, I stood up there and I thought, I don't look the way I think a person doing this should look. But that turns out not to be a problem. And I was able to work through that. But you're you're right. It's not even the faking it part. It's the faking it to yourself. Like, you have to believe you belong there saying it. Yes, that's really the like, you're not faking the information, you're faking that it should be you because no one has that confidence that it should be them. You know, like, what, what do they call that imposter syndrome? We all feel like we're imposters in our lives. Right? Like,

Unknown Speaker 1:20:39
like, they're why you put it in a really good way. Did you really manage to say what I was trying to

Scott Benner 1:20:43
say? And so and that's the other thing that I know, I do. Like, I know that I say complicated things, simply. You know. And so I but I've seen that throughout my life, is I didn't just decide yesterday that it would work and take advantage of it and go like all speak your thing because you asked me to like, I didn't speak at something until I was confident that I could do it until I had practiced it. Other places. I didn't just wander in somewhere and be like, yeah, let me tell you all about this topic. And by the way, some of the topics aren't topics here, you if you know what if you're, if you have a podcast of your own, you're still listening. You deserve to know this. You know, the problem with your podcast is that you try to make one episode about a topic. No topic eats up an hour. That's pompous. Okay? You don't know enough about a thing to fill an hour about it. You don't I mean, like, you're not you're not a lecturing like. And by the way, how bad is that in college when they get up and lecture for two hours? Like? Yeah, who? Exactly? So so one of the problems with podcasts is, some of them try to pick a topic and talk about it the entire time. And there's no like, it's just there's nothing's that interesting. It also doesn't

Alison 1:21:56
allow for the fluidness of conversation,

Scott Benner 1:21:58
right? Where the idea that you might say something I didn't expect you to say. You don't mean like, and that's why I don't like to talk to people beforehand, because I asked you a question earlier. And I was like, Oh, I like the way this answer when, but you could have answered the opposite. And I would and that would have started a different conversation. And you know, then I don't know, it. Just it makes sense to me. But I don't know, like some of them. You're just like, oh my god, like, all right. It's 45 minutes later, I swear to god off, I'll recycle. Leave me alone. I'm sorry. I'll do it. Please, please stop talking about though you're trying to beat me into submission here. Like is that what's going on? The even when I had the idea to bring Jenny and and do pro tips. I was like today we're going to talk about one idea. There's still conversational around the one idea there. It's not part one, part two, part three, this step 1234. I just don't I mean, maybe there are people who can talk about talk like that. But it's not me, you know. So.

Alison 1:22:59
Right. But also those episodes that you have with Jenny, the shorter one,

Unknown Speaker 1:23:03
huh? They're not an hour. Yeah, they're usually not that long. Right?

Unknown Speaker 1:23:08
Yeah. To talk about the thing. You're done talking about the thing. And we're done. Yeah. And then you're done. It'll keep beating the

Scott Benner 1:23:15
don't keep beating that, you know, I'm just like, Ah, this horse is dead. Let's move on. You know, this is how you Pre-Bolus Let's get out of here. Now, and I appreciate that. I really do I have to admit, like, I'm, this is the sixth season of the of the show. And sixth year, I complained in an episode recently about podcasts or like have eight episodes and like that was season one. I'm like, Nah, what? Alright, you know, but, but I've been doing this like a really long time. I feel as comfortable now as I ever have. I feel like the the shows are getting deeper. Yeah, but not in a bad or boring way. And I really do enjoy doing it. Like you'll know when I stopped enjoying it, because I'll stop doing it. But I just I have a really love this. And again, I haven't said this in a while. But the super secret of the podcast, it's not that secret is that these conversations really helped me help my daughter. And then that in turn helps me talk about it on the podcast. So it's sort of a very uncommon thing. That's everybody's giving to it. And everybody's getting from it. Which you don't you don't see something. Yeah,

Unknown Speaker 1:24:23
absolutely. It's very cool. It's like the ripple. The ripple.

Scott Benner 1:24:28
Yeah, that's hundred percent. It's wonderful. You people like you Come on, and you open up about your life. And, you know, everybody grows along with the idea. So I love it. I'm very happy to this. I appreciate I'm sorry, I'm holding up now. I appreciate you coming on. And

Alison 1:24:42
no, of course I was so happy to come on.

Scott Benner 1:24:45
I really appreciate that. I wrote it was very nice to meet you. I know while I was talking. On Sunday, I said to Alison I was like this is disconcerting because you look just like your avatar picture. And, and it really did and then you were like Oh good. Whatever, you know, what is that? What is that? What? on Facebook? See? What do make me look old for they used to be called avatars. Okay? Like your little picture of yourself on wherever you are.

Alison 1:25:11
It might be called that I just I don't think I've ever heard it.

Scott Benner 1:25:15
You trying to make me feel old? That's fine. And now you've just insulted all the other old people who are listening. Just Say No, but you look just like, yeah, you look just like literally, like there was part of me that at first like so here's how it went through my head. I was like, Did she like dress like her photo online, so I would know who she was like, that was my first thing then I just realized it's your glasses and dark hair. Yeah. Do you see what I'm saying? That like that. I was just like, it's just very recognizable. And I just looked at you on Facebook to have this conversation. So now this this episode's gonna go three more minutes. Are you from Red Bank?

Alison 1:25:52
Yeah, I was born in Riverview. I love

Scott Benner 1:25:54
Red Bank. Because Kevin Smith so nice there. Yeah, that's why that's 100% Well, that's how I found that town. Like, like, 2020 years ago, I was like, yo, you guys know Kevin Smith opened a comic book store and Red Bank. Like, can we like, you know, we're like, We're going and here's the thing, people who don't live in New Jersey don't realize you can drive across New Jersey in like, 45 minutes.

Unknown Speaker 1:26:19
Yeah, no, it's right. Yes. It's no, it's not bad.

Scott Benner 1:26:23
It's not that there's a part of Central New Jersey, where you basically can go from the entire western part of New Jersey to the to the shore in literally like an hour. And so the first time we got in the car, like, Oh, it's gonna be a trek, you know? And then an hour later, we're there like, Oh, my God. And then and then there was Kevin Smith's comic book store.

Alison 1:26:43
And I'm so happy you said central jersey.

Yeah. Always something there's like a huge thing. Where are some people say central jersey does not exist. But I always say that I grew up in central jersey, right

Scott Benner 1:26:55
people in so people in the Trenton Princeton area are considered South Jersey to anybody north of them. As if, right as if the south, the southern part of New Jersey doesn't exist. But there's a Southern part down below Philadelphia. That's that South Jersey. And so this essentially, this is not a difficult thing. You look at it, and the middle is the central part. Right? But everybody gets that wrong. Everybody's always like you live in South Jersey. I'm like, No, I live in central jersey.

Unknown Speaker 1:27:29
Like jersey,

Unknown Speaker 1:27:30
everyone has an opinion about it. So jersey,

Scott Benner 1:27:34
to disagree about something so simple that they really can't be disagreed

Unknown Speaker 1:27:37
about name.

Scott Benner 1:27:39
Yeah. So what is it that the real southern part of New Jersey people think of is Pennsylvania they think of it more is Philadelphia, right? Do you think I

Alison 1:27:46
just think of wah wah

Scott Benner 1:27:51
wah wah. Now here are everywhere. There's one in Red Bank.

Alison 1:27:54
There is one of my bank. I've been to 10 Really? 10 minutes from my house growing up. Never knew it.

Scott Benner 1:28:02
I went to Kevin Smith's film festivals at that in that little theater right there in Red Bank. Count Basie. Yeah, it's at the Count Basie theatre. I've been to the Count Basie theatre a half a dozen times in my life always to see Kevin Smith's movies. And you're saying you grew up like 10 minutes from there? Yep. So now here we are. All right. Now no one Allison does not live in.

Unknown Speaker 1:28:25
I don't live there. Right bank anymore. Don't go looking for you. We're gonna try and find me. Yeah, yeah, that

Scott Benner 1:28:30
one of you out there right now. It's like dark hair and glasses. Red Bank, you say? Just pull yourself together. Turn yourself into the cops. If you're thinking that all right.

Unknown Speaker 1:28:39
Don't worry. I'm pretty sure they'll find about

Unknown Speaker 1:28:42
I don't know.

Scott Benner 1:28:43
More than one Allison.

Alison 1:28:45
Allison with dark hair and glasses in Red Bank.

Scott Benner 1:28:48
All right. Leave Alison's alone for God's sake. All right. Awesome. I'm gonna say goodbye. Hey, huge thanks to Alison for coming on and talking about her life and Benny's type one diabetes and bringing up so many great topics. Thank you all so touched by type one. And the Contour Next One blood glucose meter for sponsoring this episode of the Juicebox Podcast. Go to Contour Next one.com forward slash juice box and touched by type one.org to support today's sponsors. There are links to all of the sponsors right there in the show notes of your podcast player and at Juicebox podcast.com.