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Scott Benner 0:00
Hello everyone and welcome to Episode 276 of the Juicebox Podcast. Today's show is sponsored by Dexcom Omni pod and dancing for diabetes, you can find out more@dexcom.com forward slash juice box, my Omni pod.com forward slash juice box or dancing the number for diabetes.com. There are also links in the show notes of your podcast player and at Juicebox podcast.com. This week on the podcast we'll be talking with Kelsey. Kelsey has type one diabetes. She is a cake decorator, and she sent me a really wonderful email. Now Kelsey starts off a little nervous, but give her time because she warms right up. We almost call this episode because carbs man but instead I'm going to call this one

Unknown Speaker 0:58
I want to be like

Scott Benner 1:01
cake Daya. Boss Daya Cake Boss Daya. But I like because carbs man. Maybe I will call it because carbs man. Alright, I'll figure it out. Please remember that nothing you hear on the Juicebox Podcast should be considered advice, medical or otherwise. And to always consult a physician before making any changes to your health care plan, or becoming bold with insulin. Quick note, for those of you in the Pennsylvania area, more specifically Valley Forge, or even more specifically track PA, I'm going to be doing a pop up podcast there. It's going to be a live event. We're not recording it just getting together and talking about being bold with insulin. I think there's about 40 tickets out so far the place holds 100. It's happening this Sunday, November 10 2019. And you can reserve your spot absolutely for free. on my Facebook page, find us bold with insulin, then look for the events.

Kelsey 1:59
My name is Kelsey and I've been diabetic since I was 10. On and ready to

Scott Benner 2:06
look after the Oh, there we go. So you he was like so just you know, introduce myself. That's easy. And there was a pause. I'm like, well, maybe it's not that easy.

Unknown Speaker 2:16
Maybe you know,

Scott Benner 2:19
first of all, there's nothing to be nervous about. I appreciate that. Some people are well, we'll get to a point where you won't be I promise. I'll start right. Okay. Take it up for you. You were diagnosed when you were 10 years old. But how old are you now?

Unknown Speaker 2:34
I am 27 Okay, so you were diagnosed?

Scott Benner 2:37
17 years ago?

Kelsey 2:39
Yeah. Can you do?

Scott Benner 2:40
Math makes people comfortable? 10 years old. 17 years ago, it's 2019. Now you were diagnosed in 2002. Am I right? So yeah. Oh my god, right. 10 years old. What were you middle school like sixth grades?

Kelsey 2:57
Yeah, it was right before Middle School is the summer between fifth and sixth grade. People are probably pretty impressed now with my ability to manipulate time and distance and

Scott Benner 3:08
weird little time, right? Like you're pretty young siblings, siblings, any brothers or sisters?

Kelsey 3:14
Yes. I am the oldest of five. So I have two brothers and two sisters.

Scott Benner 3:18
Parents together. Yeah. Okay. They have to be they're busy making babies all the time. Right? How would they?

Kelsey 3:24
Yeah, that big crazy family.

Scott Benner 3:26
Kidding. So there's so there's five of you. You're the oldest your mom and dad have a lot of younger children. Yep, their oldest one who they're probably starting to think oh, that that Kelsey kids she could probably start cooking for us soon. You take some of the burden away. Right? And and then you're screwing around in the summertime watching cartoons running around outside What happened?

Kelsey 3:48
It was actually a, like a normal doctor's appointment before you change schools like make sure my vaccinations are all in order and all this fun stuff. Um,

Scott Benner 3:59
so that's when I was diagnosed. showing any signs or did they just do a finger stick?

Kelsey 4:05
Ah, yeah, so I'd been like really tired all the time. I'd lost a bunch of weight and going to the bathroom all the time. All the classic science. Um, I think my parents kind of suspected but it was like, Oh, I don't know, maybe it could be diabetes, but it wasn't like something they were really thinking about. Until they went to the doctor.

Scott Benner 4:26
A lot of strange things going on with you and they bring it up. Do you remember the doctor? They say hey, Kelsey is like weird. Like, can you look at her? Or was it? Like you don't mean like they were they worried enough to say something? Or do you not know?

Kelsey 4:41
I honestly don't remember how that went.

Scott Benner 4:44
Listen, as I'm asking you I have to be perfectly honest. I remember nothing from what I'm 10 nothing at all. And 17 years ago, I was 30. And I don't remember anything from that either. As a matter of fact, I don't remember much from last week. So I just wanted to know if it was a good like a kind of like a landmark in your life. Can you really remember? Not so not so much like so the diagnosis is what it is. You're off. I'm assuming you started with needles or pens. But how did you start? I

Kelsey 5:09
started with the syringes.

Scott Benner 5:11
And just a meter, right? There was nothing else to it. Yep. Okay. Now, were you like, how do you remember management back then? Was it about food restriction? Was it about counting carbs? Did you not really pay close attention to it? Like, what was the vibe around your house?

Kelsey 5:29
Yeah. So when I first started, we were doing exchanges. So it was like, I had to count my carbs and you have 15. Okay, like for breakfast, I would have 45 grams of carbs. And for dinner, it would be 60. And for snack, it would be 15. So it was like, very, like, regimented at first,

Scott Benner 5:49
and that is that associated itself with how much insulin they were giving you. So were you on regular an MPH? I think it was human login, mph. humalog. An mph. Okay. And so I don't know how many people nowadays realize that. But it's very interesting that not that long ago, the idea was you had to count up a certain amount of carbs. And those were your meals. Did you feel a lot of pressure to finish your food?

Kelsey 6:13
Oh, I guess I did. I haven't really thought about this in a while. But well, yeah. Like, if you don't finish this, then there's apple juice.

Scott Benner 6:23
Because I mean, what I'm learning right away is that you didn't grow up in a lot of with a lot of pressure.

Kelsey 6:29
No, not really.

Scott Benner 6:30
No. Did that management lead to outcomes that you were hopeful for? Like as you got older? became like a teenager? Where Yeah, what was your a one see like, Hey, hurry, onesies? Fine. This is all going great. Are you a person who was in the doctor's office? struggling? or How did it go as you got older?

Kelsey 6:48
Um, I want to use usually seven something. So everybody was like, that's good enough. So that's kind of how things went. It wasn't super drugs or regimented. It was like, you're doing all right. See

Scott Benner 7:01
any big problems, seizures passing out? Like, nothing like that?

Kelsey 7:06
After the original diagnosis? I hadn't been to the hospital sense. Knock on wood. So everything just was kind of tripping along

Scott Benner 7:16
sort of the way they described, it was going to like, Look, you'll count this up, you'll shoot this in and everything will be fine. We need your agency to be somewhere below this. And it always was everything just sort of worked for you.

Kelsey 7:26
Yeah, it was like he said, it wasn't like amazing. Nine, it was just kind of like, this is good enough. Well, that's kind of how I always looked at it.

Scott Benner 7:35
And now today as an adult, do you live on your own? Yes. Okay, and what technology you're using now? Are you still using pens and a meter?

Kelsey 7:44
I have a Omnipod index. com now.

Scott Benner 7:46
So you've, you've upgraded. Now, when did that happen? And what came first?

Kelsey 7:51
Omnipod came first. I got that in 2011. I had a mini med before that. And then the Dexcom I got it. Three years ago, I think.

Scott Benner 8:01
Okay, so let's go back to when you went to, you know, when you first had your insulin pump, or the mini Mater, whenever? Did that change your management? Or did that just sort of eliminate? Like, injections? How did you think of it?

Kelsey 8:15
Um, it definitely changed how I ate because I wasn't like restricted to that.

15 gram type mm regimen.

Scott Benner 8:26
Hey, when's the last time you checked out dancing for diabetes.com. If you haven't in a while, I'm telling you, now's the time. They're just about to put on their yearly extravaganza, a huge dance event, you're not going to want to miss it. There may still be time to get tickets, I'm not sure. But if there isn't, you're at least going to be able to see plenty of photos and video from an amazing day. Dancing the number four diabetes.com getting a pump back then the idea was, Oh, this is great. Now you can count your carbs and push on this button on this pump and then eat and you can you can stop doing this this exchange program for carbs for insulin.

Kelsey 9:06
Right? Yeah, it was like you can eat whenever you want now. So

Scott Benner 9:11
was that exciting? It was pretty awesome. Right? Like and so but so that was the unit hold. Were you when that was I'm sorry? around?

Kelsey 9:18
Oh, it was 11 when I got the pump. So I had been diagnosed for a year.

Scott Benner 9:22
Okay, she did the exchange for a year then you went to a pump pump for a while. When do you add a glucose monitor?

Kelsey 9:28
That one was three years or the continuous glucose monitor was three years ago.

Scott Benner 9:32
So more recently?

Kelsey 9:34
Yes, very recently. Did that change things for you and changed everything? Yeah.

Scott Benner 9:39
How so?

Kelsey 9:41
Well, before I would like, you know, test when I ate and then if I remember to i'd test after, you know, two hours later, but I never really paid attention to my blood sugars in between mealtimes unless I felt bad. So I got the CGM and I'm like, Oh my gosh, look at all this information. I didn't even know So I actually started paying more attention.

Scott Benner 10:03
Okay, and so that having more information made you think like, wow, there's more here for me to understand. I'll dig down into this a little further, did that right immediately exchange or exchange that immediately? Create a lower frequency or less spikes? Or like, what was the first thing you saw? When you saw? I guess my question should be, what's the first thing you saw when you had a glucose monitor? Was that Wow, my blood sugar goes way high or goes way lower. What struck you?

Kelsey 10:29
Oh, yeah, I think it was just I didn't realize all the ups and downs that were happening in the background.

Scott Benner 10:37
Have you mainly been able to get rid of those?

Kelsey 10:40
For the most part, I still have my off days, but it's a lot better.

Scott Benner 10:45
Okay. Oh, that's interesting. So now, I would tell you that with Arden, we see a spike once or twice a day, but we get them back quickly. But yeah, but we don't have days where like, everything just goes to like hell. And then we get back. But I do know some people say that, like, it's just like, you know, I'm going along great. And then something doesn't match up my I hit the roller coaster, and then I'm just on it. And right, is that what happens?

Kelsey 11:13
That definitely still happened?

Scott Benner 11:15
I would understand that I would imagine to it's wrapped around your day, right? Like you're at work, right? Like what kind of, you know, tell me where you work. But what kind of work do you do?

Kelsey 11:23
I am a cake decorator?

Scott Benner 11:25
No kidding. Oh, that's so cool. I can't believe you just said that. All right here. Alright. It only took us 10 minutes. Now we're going in a different direction. I can't believe you just said that. Because yesterday, driving home, my wife, my wife was like, look at this video of people decorating cakes online. So I'm driving Yes, holding a phone up in front of me. And and she's like, it's amazing. And they she starts talking about how they put the icing on. And she's like, I wish I could do that. I think I could do that. And I was like, you think you could do what and she's like, you know, they take that metal spatula, they make it really smooth. She's like, I feel like I could do that. So, but you don't know about me, Kelsey, is that going from middle school to high school, I was not maybe a very dedicated student. That'd be I think that's a nice way to say it. I didn't love school a whole lot. And there was this assembly one day, this person comes over and says I'm the principal, the technical school. Oh, and I was like, there's a tech what I don't even understand what he was saying, you know. So it turned out that back then, in like the 80s, you could go two weeks a month to regular high school, and then two weeks a month to learn a trade. I thought, well, I don't really want to learn a trade. But I definitely don't want to go to high school for three solid years. So let me look into this. So So I go on the tour. And it's like small engine repair. And like all these things that I'm just like, I don't care about that. I don't want to learn how to weld. I don't care about this. And I was like what's in here, and I walked through this door. And Kelsey, I'm not gonna lie to you. It was the room that I had been in that day with the most pretty girls. So like, I was like, What is this place? This is the place Scott's going to come in high school. And it was the bakery. So hey, I learned to bake. I can make bread, you know, 150 pounds at a time, not a low for the time. And like I can run an oven the size of two of your cars and things like that. But the one thing I couldn't do, Kelsey. Yeah, I couldn't decorate anything. I have the I'm like so heavy handed. And I could just never make it right. I would try and try. So I want to like how long have you been doing that? Like, how did you get started with that?

Kelsey 13:30
So I started in high school, I taught myself and then all the jobs I had like in college and everything were in bakeries. And after I graduated college, I just stuck with the bakeries

been doing this for

10 years.

Scott Benner 13:50
And so you just and so you and it's not like the overnight thing cuz I tried to get a job in a bakery after school. I was incredibly qualified, but they wanted you to start working at like 130 in the morning.

Kelsey 14:00
Yeah, so I definitely did that for a while. did not love

Scott Benner 14:04
that part. Yeah, that's not good. So you just come in at like a regular time and you and you sit and you look at the orders and you and you decorate cakes. Yeah, that's very cool. How do you keep from eating the icing? I know the trick is that after you're around it for a while, you really don't want it anymore, but

Kelsey 14:19
exactly the same as it is to it.

Scott Benner 14:23
So here's the thing I learned in the bakery that is that seems to skeeve people the most when you're making cinnamon buns. Take the dough before it's cooked. and dip it in the melted butter and then in the cinnamon sugar and eat it raw. It's so good. So good. It's amazing. Anyway, I that's what I know about bakeries. But okay, so you're sort of working independently most of the day, right? You're not probably around a bunch of people. Are you probably in charge of your time and everything like

Kelsey 14:54
yeah, I work in a pretty small shop. So there's only three of us and they're

Scott Benner 14:58
cool. That's right. I'm gonna have to get you to decorate a cake for me. Where are you at what? country?

Kelsey 15:03
I am in Tampa, Florida.

Scott Benner 15:06
I was just in Tampa. Oh, no way. A week ago, I was down there to watch my son play baseball. Oh, that's cool. Oh my gosh, that airport is nice. I have to tell you. Yeah, I fly out of Newark and not a nice airport. Yeah, yours is much nice Pampas is it's a nice place. Like it was a little, little on the cloudy side when I was there, but I had a good time. Okay, so. So you and I are talking right now, because we tell a little bit of a story. My daughter's diagnosed a very long time ago, probably around the time you were you were 2002. She was like 2006. And when our son was diagnosed, she was two years old, literally just had had her second birthday. We're in the hospital for a couple of days. And I think on the second or third day, they make us go to a carb counting class, which is ironic because I don't count carbs anymore. in there and freaking out, you know, with like seven other families who'd all been diagnosed around this couple of days. We come out of that class. And it had been enough time had passed since Arden's diagnosis that things started sinking in, he started having different thoughts. So we're walking out of that class pretty dazed. And I'm pretty sure I was dazed because I was like, I'm not gonna I don't want to count her carbs for the rest of her life. That sounds horrible, you know? And, and I looked at my wife, and I said, Do you think we're going to end up getting divorced because of this? Because that's how it was starting to strike me that this was difficult, and, you know, anxiety ridden? And that, Oh, my gosh, I wonder if this will impact our marriage. And my wife says, I don't think that's gonna be a problem. But I could tell by looking her face, she was thinking about something else. I'm like, Well, what do you think the problem is gonna be? And my wife who does not get emotional, because of her Irish and Catholic background, does not allow her to access her feelings. She looks at me and kind of swells up and starts crying and she goes, do you think Arden's going to be able to have a baby? And I was like, I don't know. I never thought of that. I'm like, Why are you bringing up other stuff? You know, like, like, stop saying horrible things. I just said a horrible thing. Let's talk about my heart for a second. But that was my wife's concern in the moment, right? Yeah. And so, Kelsey, I don't know that it may come to a surprise to people. But I receive a lot of correspondence from you guys, which is always fantastic. I get it a number of different ways, emails, social media, all this stuff. But you sent me a note in like October of 2018. That hit me in so many, like, places in my chest, heart and mind that I stood in my house and started to cry a little bit. And so I read your note, and I got all like, kind of filled up. And I was like, This is so nice. And I felt good about myself. And I was like this podcast is really helping people. And like, it was very overwhelming. And sometimes I'll like, just get a note and it makes me smile. I sometimes I'll get a note. And I'll be like, Oh, I never thought of that. Like, they all take me in a different way. Yours took me in all the directions at the same time. And I read it on the podcast at some point, but I'm gonna read it again here. And then we're gonna start talking about the core of it. Right? All right, so you said, Hey, Scott, I just want to say thank you for the podcast and making diabetes management actually seemed manageable. I found your podcast that summer when I was looking for details about the future on the pod products. And your interview with them was the only information I could find. Then I dove into the older episodes. And of course, listen to the classic Episode 11, which is bold with insulin. I honestly never looked at diabetes management that way before. But I changed my mindset completely, as corny as that sounds and tweaked my basal rates and my ratios and changed my dexcom alarms and started treating highs aggressively. And here I am three months later, with my agency down for 7.1 to 5.5. You're like holy crap. I don't know. If it's been that low in 16 years that I've had diabetes. Now. That's all really well and good. And had you stopped writing there? We wouldn't. I would have just been like, Oh, this is nice. Kelsey is having success. The podcast is doing what I want. I would have went on with my date. But then, Kelsey, you kept writing. Again, this is right. This is what you made me cry. I'm getting married this December and thinking about having kids. And before I found your podcast, I don't know how I would have ever felt comfortable enough to try to get pregnant with an A one see around seven all the time. But going to the doctor's today and seeing the 5.5 was so exciting. It was just a relief. I can do this. So thank you for showing me what is possible and giving me the confidence to do something about it and thank you for keeping me bla bla bla bla bla and now I'm standing in my kitchen thinking Kelsey, Kelsey is gonna get to have a baby and I kind of jello it up a little bit. I was like shaky and everything for a half a second. I was like this is amazing. And I think this is just your note is a big idea, right? It's all the things that we don't really talk about around diabetes, that, that you had a seven, seven was good. But you didn't imagine that there was better, you couldn't have imagined it, no one was telling you how to get to it. And that quietly and privately in your head, you were thinking, I probably can't have children. And I want to talk first about that, like with you and your fiance. Do we say his name? What's his name? Is Ryan Ryan. So you and Ryan, have been dating for how long?

Kelsey 20:34
We dated for four years.

Scott Benner 20:39
And at some point in those four years, you're like, I'm gonna let this Ryan guy marry me at some point. You didn't tell it? You didn't tell him but you know, I'm assuming. Right.

Unknown Speaker 20:47
Right.

Scott Benner 20:48
And, and you gotta keep him working. He can he can, of course. So you're thinking about that. And you think I Brian probably wants to have a family. I want to have a family, but I don't think I can. Can you talk about the anxiety and the kind of stress that comes with having private thoughts like that?

Kelsey 21:05
Yeah, it's very stressful. Because it's a conversation we had talked about, um, it was like, we were kids. We gotta get this diabetes thing locked down. Um, but, you know, even when he was so supportive about it, it's still like, this is on me. I don't know. It's gonna be really hard. I'm just gonna have to eat like, eggs and cheese for nine months. Because barbs man,

Scott Benner 21:37
I have to tell you, strong chance this episode's gonna be called because carbs, man. And so that's my, that's what I was getting at, like. So the first things first is you guys are in this together, but it feels like it's on you. Right? Well, absolutely. And if you can't accomplish this thing, if you can't figure out how to just eat, you know, eggs for free. I can't believe that was your that was your fallback plan.

Kelsey 22:05
That was it. That was like eggs don't affect my blood sugar. I can eat.

Scott Benner 22:11
Hold on a second. I'm laughing. It's

cold. So if I start laughing, I'm gonna cough. So when when that was your plan, that didn't seem like a really, like, something you were really excited to do? I would imagine the same time you probably weren't sure if you could do it. Like, but did it ever occur to you? Like, what if I get three months into my egg plan? And this baby grown inside of me? And suddenly I'm like, Oh my god, I can't eat eggs anymore. Right? And then it feels like what? Like you're letting the baby down? Or what?

Kelsey 22:42
Exactly, yeah, that's a lot of pressure. Yes, right. Oh, yeah.

Scott Benner 22:46
what's already hard enough to be a person. I think it's harder to be a woman. You guys have the deck stacked against you in a lot of different ways. Mostly it's imposed by men. And and so all this is going so you have this feeling like oh my gosh, this is on me. Right? I have to do this for the health of the baby. Not just the health of the baby. But for the idea of building a family for you and Ryan. So you could you could let yourself down with the baby down. Let Ryan down. Let the egg market down in Tampa, which is probably relying on you for some some heavy funds coming in. And so there's a lot there. Did it make you feel like maybe I shouldn't try to have a baby.

Kelsey 23:29
I don't think I ever thought I'm not gonna do this. But it was kind of like a, I'll just keep putting this off. And feeling.

Scott Benner 23:38
Oh, no kidding. Oh, that's interesting. So if if so, are you married now?

Kelsey 23:43
Yes, we got married in December. Congratulations.

Scott Benner 23:46
Well, how are you finding it so far? Has Ryan become annoying? And you realize now you don't have a baby with him?

Kelsey 23:52
No, we're still in the honeymoon phase. So

Scott Benner 23:56
your your marriage pancreas is still working? Is that right? Exactly?

Kelsey 23:59
Yeah.

Scott Benner 24:02
I always tell people that honeymoon phase and diabetes is called the honeymoon phase for a reason. And it was named by people who have been married for longer than a year and a half. So that's great. So congratulations. You guys are on your own and you're you know you're you're doing your thing. Is that noise? Can you tell me what that noise is? Because I'm just gonna wander.

Kelsey 24:23
Somebody is blowing leaves

Scott Benner 24:26
outside the window, or something like that. That's fantastic. Why are their leaves in Tampa?

Kelsey 24:31
I don't know. I mean, we got

Scott Benner 24:33
we got trees of trees. It's not like a paradise down there. Just cactuses and palm trees and everything right?

Kelsey 24:40
I mean, at the beach, but not

Scott Benner 24:41
downtown. Are you like right in the city?

Kelsey 24:45
I am like right outside the city. Gotcha. Gotcha.

Scott Benner 24:49
Okay, so now, by the way, first of all, I shouldn't tell you what to do. But please don't have a baby too soon. It's not good for you. There's A lot of great things to do, and all that stuff. But now at a 5581 C, can you tell me like, what would? What changes do you think got you from seven to five, five? You're gonna want to check out the Dexcom g six continuous glucose monitor, and you're gonna want to do it. As soon as I'm done talking, or you know what, at the end of the episode, go to the links in the show notes or Juicebox podcast.com. Get yourself to dexcom.com forward slash juicebox. And here's why you want to do that. today. It is right now I'm recording this noon on a school day. Arden left for school this morning. Her blood sugar was on the lower side. Low 7071 72 and it's kind of laying there. But she wasn't hungry. So what would you do in that situation? You probably give him food. What we did was nada. We watched Arden's blood sugar, and we got four hours, excuse me, four and a half hours of a 72 to 75 blood sugar. Now how are we confidence thing there? Dexcom right, because the G six is sending back constant updates about what Arden's blood sugar is doing. Is it going up? Is it going down? Is this thing steady? And it seemed that today it was staying steady. Even without food, too. We wrote it out. And she got four and a half beautiful hours. We were able to then Pre-Bolus for lunch. And right now, an hour after her lunch. Arden's blood sugar's 121. And super stable. Partly because Dexcom showed me that we missed a little bit on Arden's meal bowls, we were able to add a little more insulin after she began to eat. That's how you bump and nudge. That's how you use the Dexcom to your advantage. Let's I mean, we didn't even talk about the share and follow features. I mean, obviously, I'm seeing Arden's blood sugar, and she's not with me, where the fact that there's zero finger sticks required none of that. I mean, there's just so much to say, two minutes isn't long enough dexcom.com forward slash juice box. So links in your show notes or Juicebox podcast.com. What changes do you think got you from seven to five, five?

Kelsey 27:05
First thing I did was changed my basal rates. Um, because I don't think they were high enough. Okay. And then the other thing I did was I started Pre-Bolus thing. And then I also was more aggressive about correcting highs, whereas before, I'd be like, Oh, I don't want a second slim. So I'm just gonna wait and see what happens. But now like, I'm getting this thing down. Nice. That's excellent. So you've, you've outed the fact that the podcast is really just a few very simple ideas put together in my mind.

Scott Benner 27:41
And and look how well it worked out for you. I mean, honestly, 71255 is an incredible like, like, change. So my question is, you're pretty expected. So but so that's interesting, right? So when I, when I talk to a lot of people privately, they'll they'll say, like, you know, I don't know where to start, and they show me their graph. And look at the graph. And the first thing I think, is you your Basil's wrong, because because, you know, because if your blood sugar is not sitting at 85, constantly when you're not eating, then your bazel is not as high as it could be, right? Like talking about getting low and everything like that. But I'm just saying if you're sitting at 150, you're, you know, 150 because you don't have enough insulin at the right time, and that that, you know, counts for bazel as well as boluses. So, it's an adjustment for bazel. I think always kind of the first step. Yeah. Right. And you have to make sure your basal insulins, right, if your basal insulins wrong, nothing else is really going to work. At the very least you're not going to be able to kind of like diagnose what's going on. Like you can't figure out what's wrong with a bolus, if you're Basil's that far off. So okay, so then you move your alarms on your Dexcom. I want to right, yeah.

Kelsey 28:55
So I didn't have the high alarm on my Dexcom at all, like I turned it off, because it beeped all the time. And it annoyed me, which I know is not like kind of not the point. But I set it to 130 I'm actually you know, keep it under there now.

Scott Benner 29:14
Nice. And just you just bump it a notch and you're just hitting that 130 and bumping it back. Exactly. People listen, listen to what Kelsey is telling you the podcasts where you have to you can't just listen and think that guy's full of crap. I don't want my thing to be all the time. I mean, does it really beep that often? No. It doesn't now No. Yeah. How long did it take you to get from? I don't think I can keep this under 132. Wow, I can't believe how long this stays under 130 during the day.

Kelsey 29:42
I think it was like within the first week that I was like, Oh my gosh, this was working. Remember going out to dinner with Ryan and being like, Oh my gosh, look at this graph. Can you believe this?

Scott Benner 29:55
Did that immediately make him think he was gonna get that sex cuz he was like, oh my god. She's ready to have it. Baby like I would have been like, this does not mean you can give me a baby. So

Kelsey 30:06
I'm just gonna quite make that leap.

Scott Benner 30:08
Yeah. That's what I'm glad that Ryan's got his head on straight and he's not like apparently I am. That that's really cool. So I don't October, November, December, January, February, March, April, we're like you're six months into this idea. And it's going along pretty well. Have you had a second a one? See since then.

Kelsey 30:29
I actually haven't I had a doctor's appointment scheduled. And then I was going to be out of town and they couldn't fit me in April. So I have it

Scott Benner 30:38
set up. Okay. So I'm going to ask you to do something for me. It's March now. We can get that doctor's appointment. Would you send me your next day Wednesday, because when I added this, I'll put it in. Okay. So true to her word, Kelsey sent me that email that says this, Drumroll, please. Because I just got my latest a one C and it was a five, five again. I know it's just a number. And then she put some parentheses. And I did have an after breakfast bike of 210 today. So thank you diabetes, for keeping me humble. But I'm really proud of myself. We looked at all my past agencies, and they were all in the sixes and sevens, and an eight even. So I felt like I could let this big breath out that I've been holding in for years. Plus, I just feel better without the constant up and down rollercoaster. You're a shining example of what we talked podcast like seriously, study your, your website again. A case study case. Yes. A case study in cake decorating and bow and bolusing at the same time. Do you agree with me? Just to go off for a second? That icing shouldn't be too sweet? Oh, yes. Right. Yeah. And it can't it can't be greasy.

It needs to be right.

Kelsey 31:48
Yeah, I don't know. My favorite, I think is called Italian marine. And it's very, like creamy and smooth and buttery, but not too sweet. That's

Unknown Speaker 31:57
the best icing sounds amazing.

Scott Benner 32:00
I just think that some people make icing too greasy. Okay, it's not good. And then some people use way too much sugar. I don't like that either. So see, everything's about balances. Your boluses That's right. Everything really is. Okay. So I like this. So you're you're moving along the idea. You figured out the the alarms on the Dexcom. You figured out bumping and nudging you figured out your basal rates? Do you eat a fairly regular what we would consider regular diet?

Kelsey 32:32
Oh, I think for the most part,

Scott Benner 32:33
yeah. So you're not like very low carb or something like that?

Unknown Speaker 32:37
Yeah. Okay.

Scott Benner 32:40
Kelsey, I'm so proud of you. I really don't even know each other. And I'm so incredibly proud of you. I'm over being mad at you for making me cry. And I'm up to being proud. It's astonishing. So tell me a little more about like your debt.

Unknown Speaker 32:54
You work every day?

Scott Benner 32:56
Um, yes, pretty much you get up in the morning Do you eat before you go to work? Or how do you handle your life?

Kelsey 33:01
Yeah, get up, have a cup of coffee, eat breakfast, and then head out the door.

Scott Benner 33:05
Would you eat today?

Kelsey 33:07
Today I had a slice of toast. That was it. I was gonna eat a banana. But then right at the last one.

Scott Benner 33:16
Ryan, you can't eat the last banana man. Like, do you need me to talk to Ryan? You can't empty the trash and I put another bag back in it. Yeah, eat the last day food. You can't insinuate that anything that Kelsey said is in any way crazy. Never use the word crazy. You never want to say that. I could tell the kid what to do. If you haven't called me but. But he'll figure it out along the way. The The trick is Kelsey, will he figure it out? Before you want to throw him off of an overpass? That's really the whole trick. I'm sure he will. So you had a piece of toast to do Pre-Bolus for the toaster. How did you handle that? Was your blood sugar? Yes.

Unknown Speaker 33:53
Nice. Hello.

Kelsey 33:54
115 before breakfast?

Scott Benner 33:59
How long before?

Kelsey 34:02
How long? Um, 15 minutes before?

Scott Benner 34:06
It's your Do you remember what your blood sugar was before you? Pre-Bolus?

Kelsey 34:09
I think it was like 112 115.

Scott Benner 34:11
Nice for you nice and steady overnight. I think I was excellent. Now tell me about this. If you don't mind, we've already talked about other things that are private to you. How can you find managing your period?

Kelsey 34:24
Um, it? Well, very interesting. Um, I have had an IUD for the past year. So I haven't really gotten a period. So as far as this new style of management, I don't know. But before it was kind of all over the place. Okay. Um,

Scott Benner 34:42
I was just wondering because I that's a question. I get a lot from people. I go, yeah, okay, this is all well and good. But what do I do when I get my period and I always give them the same advice or I don't give anybody advice. Kelsey, actually nothing you hear on the Juicebox Podcast should be considered advice, medical or otherwise and always consult a physician before making any changes to your medical plan or because But with insulin, but when people bring that up about their periods, I say, look, in my world, when this happens to my daughter, we just you know, all I look at it as is the diabetes as being more aggressive, it's it has bigger insulin needs and you have to be aggressive back with the insulin you use. fluctuates a little more, but in the end, it's you know, it's hitting harder, you need to hit harder back. You have an IUD, which I'm assuming Ryan takes personally, he's like, I knew she didn't really want to baby this whole. anyone see thing was a smokescreen. And now she's got a one seat down says you have to do something else. I'm joking. We're Ryan taking shots in this for no reason whatsoever. Again, it's fine. He'll deal with it.

Unknown Speaker 35:45
It's a good point.

Scott Benner 35:46
That's excellent. Good for you. That's really cool. What does he work? You guys work together? What does he do?

Kelsey 35:52
He was an engineer. So he's like the opposite of a cake decorator.

Scott Benner 35:55
Not really your engineering a cake cakes are symmetrical. It's the same thing.

Kelsey 36:00
That's true. You got to stack them and make sure they don't fall over. And yeah, there's a little bit of engineering.

Scott Benner 36:04
So what are you what what do you put in on your, on your LinkedIn? Now? You should say that you're a confection engineer.

Kelsey 36:13
There you go. I like that. I

Scott Benner 36:14
got write that down. Yeah, that's it. Kelsey, your infection engineer. That's exactly what you are. You can't tilt it can't be. It's got to be symmetrical. It can't fall over needs to support its own weight. You have to be able to add other things to it without changing its its integrity. Are you kidding me? You're an engineer. I bet you I bet you Ryan can't decorate a cake.

Kelsey 36:34
He's done before. He's uh, he's alright.

Scott Benner 36:38
He's alright. I was so bad. Maybe some birthday cakes. I have. I have decorated cakes in ways that made me not want to eat them when they were over even knowing that they would still taste Okay, you look at them. Or something wrong with it. Now. It's not easy is what I'm getting at. It's a little practice. You use a spinner like when you're like, initially like do you like spin a like you put a cake on something? flop? Somebody? turntable? Yeah. Why would I advise I never able to do that. Do you think?

Kelsey 37:12
Like it's just practice, but

Scott Benner 37:15
I have no patience. If I had patience and accounting, yeah. If I had patient scelzi, this podcast wouldn't exist. And I would have no idea how to get my daughter's a one seat on anything. Because if I was patient, I would have listened to the doctor stayed patient and continued to try to know what he was telling me to do. Instead, I was just like, Oh, this is stupid. I'll figure this out myself. Like a better approach. So far. So good, right? Yeah. Okay. All right. Um, what are you excited about moving forward? Are you thinking about new technology? Or are you pretty happy with where you are. Usually, I like there to be a little more space in between the ads, but this is a good spot for this one. And then we can roll right through and talk to Kelsey the rest of the way better diabetes, as the story unfolds, and she gets a little more comfortable. Okay, that took 20 seconds, sorry, on the pod, go to my omnipod.com forward slash juicebox. Do it today because when you do, you're going to be able to get a free absolutely no obligation trial of the Omnipod. That's right, they will send you a demo directly to your home. They call it the pod experience kit. It's a pack like a kiss from Omnipod that comes through the mail. Absolutely for Free. That does not oblige you to do anything after that. I'll tell you why this is amazing because then you can try the on the pod on for yourself. You can find a spot that you like you can put it on you can see what it's like to put on a shirt or pants, some undergarments, get in the shower, go for a run all with the on the pot on how well you don't have to make an educated guess when you're choosing an insulin pump. When you wear it, you're going to notice there's no tubing involved. You're not going to be tethered to anything and I think you're going to see that as a real bonus. On top of that, like I just said you can shower with it. It is the only insulin pump that you can get into the shower with so that makes it the only insulin pump that you can get into the ocean with we're swimming pool. I know a lot of people who disconnect their pumps to play sports or workout with the only pod you don't have to you stay in control of your boluses and your basal insulin the entire time. Check it out at my Omni pod.com forward slash juicebox are the links in your show notes or at Juicebox podcast.com get that free pod experience get today the pod doesn't have any tubing to get caught on your clothes. It'll never wrapped around the doorknob worried like that thing in your countertop drawer that you know Yanks all your stuff off.

Unknown Speaker 39:37
ami fine.

Kelsey 39:40
Yeah, I think he like the horizon and all the like artificial Pinker's type systems are super exciting. I've been like reading about that for years. I'm like Hurry up. Why 90?

Scott Benner 39:55
Like right like just just to take any I guess any extra stuff. out of your day would, would be great, right? So you, even though you're rocking a five, five on your own, you'd be willing to hand it off to something else if it if it meant you're not thinking about it as often. Oh, for sure. Cool. I agree with you. By the way, I'm, uh, I'm looking to get out of this. Although I got a lovely note from someone the other day who said, Please stop saying that it makes me nervous when you say the podcast doesn't have to go on forever, don't worry. podcast is gonna go on. Plenty long. But But I still, I'm interested to get into the next part about diabetes like to find out, like what happens next, you know, and because there's going to be management ideas around all that there was actually there was actually an article that came out the other day, that over the third, please make sure you listen closely to everybody. Everybody listening. over a third of people who started on the Medtronic artificial pancreas, left it because it, it didn't work very well, is what they said. So I, I look at that. And I think you know what, it was exciting to be first. But wouldn't you rather be right than first? You know what I mean? Like, we have an artificial pancreas. It only makes over one in every three people we give it to run away from it's screaming. Maybe it's not ready to put on the market that in that situation, right. And so while I do hear people complain, and I have those thoughts, too, sometimes, like about Omnipod, I'm like, Oh, they were a little late to the game. And they didn't quite figure it like, but it ends up being in my opinion, it's a good thing, because you get to see, you get to take your time now. Like there's no expectation to be first so be right, that that's how I say it. So I'm very hopeful I would knock on some wood. I'm very hopeful that horizon is going to be something that people don't, you know, treat the way they treated the Medtronic one like I hope I hope it does what they say it's gonna do and and that's worth waiting for. It. Just you know what it is? So it really is are you from the Tampa area originally?

Unknown Speaker 42:04
I'm from Atlanta.

Scott Benner 42:07
How'd you make Tampa that's where Ryan was?

Kelsey 42:10
Well, no, I went to school down here. Um, so I met him after I moved.

Scott Benner 42:14
Okay, and just ended up staying. Yep. So what school What What school did you go to? You went you said college you went to?

Kelsey 42:20
Yeah, I went to St. Louis University. It's a pretty small school down here but

Scott Benner 42:26
major businessman events? Are you going to try to buy the bakery at some point?

Kelsey 42:32
No, I'm my original plan was to open my own bakery. Um, but when I started this job, I'm like, I want to stick around this place is good. Um, but actually own a side business. So I can still get my management in over there.

Scott Benner 42:45
Nice. Is that something you want to share what your side businesses are? You

Kelsey 42:50
know, if I sell sugar flowers on line, the decorations for the wedding cake for other bakeries and stuff.

Scott Benner 42:58
That's brilliant. So you make the flowers and then other people use them during their decorating?

Unknown Speaker 43:03
Yes.

Scott Benner 43:04
Hmm. That's really cool. Is that something I can look out while we're talking? Sure. How do I do that?

Kelsey 43:11
All right. My website is a Kelsey cakes calm.

Scott Benner 43:15
I'll see you next.

Unknown Speaker 43:19
Time look the other beautiful.

Unknown Speaker 43:22
Oh, my God, Kelsey, you're really talented. Thank you. No kidding.

Scott Benner 43:27
I you guys have to look at this. I don't know if anybody listening would need these. Some of them look real.

Kelsey 43:34
Can I? Technically, tactics don't taste very good. They're very crunchy.

Scott Benner 43:40
Technically, it won't kill you, Scott. If that's what you're asking. That's really seriously, I'm gonna put a link in the show notes to this. I have no idea if anybody would. But it is really astonishing. Like you're an artist. Oh, absolutely. That's really cool. Is this taken off for you? is this doing the thing

Kelsey 44:01
you said is a

Unknown Speaker 44:02
nice Oh, Oh, nice. Oh, listen, you stay busy enough. You won't need that IUD anymore.

Scott Benner 44:13
You're so young. It's inappropriate for you to make that joke. Get married that long and you're like, oh, he doesn't know what he's talking. like three months later, like 10 years from now. You'll be like, Oh, I get what that podcast guy was. There's one here there's a featured item it says blush and burgundy sugar flower arrangement cake topper, including dahlias. Roses, Fern leaves. It really is it's astonishing. It really I hope everybody takes a look at I don't know what the heck they would do with

Unknown Speaker 44:44
them from you but they're not again.

Unknown Speaker 44:48
A cake I guess there really is a limited use for them right.

Unknown Speaker 44:54
What else would

Kelsey 44:55
put them in phases so

Scott Benner 44:56
that she wrote what she's very proud of you? I imagine.

Kelsey 44:58
Yeah. Awesome. template my first flowers from like high school and I'm like, Why do you still have these there's,

Unknown Speaker 45:05
um, your mom loves you. That's so nice.

Scott Benner 45:10
Later you have that baby and you love that baby like that. You end up saying stupid things to it. Like, my son FaceTime the other day from school. And my wife just turns into like, she's just like, Hi, buddy. Like, she gets real life. And then my daughter stands behind our mock sir. I'm like, stop making fun of Mom, where she can't see you. Because I'm laughing and now she doesn't know why I'm laughing. I was like, you should at least have to make fun of her to her face. But she turns into mom pretty quick when she sees my kids. So sounds like your mom does, too. That's really cool. Okay. Give me a message for people who were where you are, who thought seven was good. And they were doing okay. And like, what what would you tell somebody like, like, if I came up to you and said, bumped into you in the street, and I was like, Hey, I heard you on this podcast. Kelsey, and can you tell me like what what to do?

Kelsey 46:04
Or that's a tall order.

Scott Benner 46:06
It is right. But what would you say if I if I came up to you? And I said that?

Unknown Speaker 46:10
Oh,

Kelsey 46:12
yes, I would say, you know, take a deeper look at it.

You know, don't don't take it as being good enough.

Unknown Speaker 46:22
Yeah, um,

Scott Benner 46:24
yeah. Did your doctor tell you? It's possible your doctor looked at that seven was always like, Hey, this is great. You're doing great.

Kelsey 46:31
Yeah, she was like, you know, you're doing all right. She didn't think great. But, you know, not like, we got to change everything or

Scott Benner 46:42
right, and not that seven. Let me say this. I don't think seven is a bad one. See? And if you have one, I'm not coming down on you. I'm saying that when we set an expectation that sevens good.

Kelsey 46:52
Exactly.

Scott Benner 46:54
Just that right? Yeah. It's all about expectations. The Dexcom alarm is expectation. Yeah, it really is. If you set it, so it never goes off, then your expectation is your blood sugar's gonna get high, that's what happens. And you're okay with it. If you set it at 130, then 130 is your expectation, you try to meet that expectation? Eventually, you start building on tools that keep you under 130. And you don't even find 130 that often. And then when you do, you have an expectation that you're going to fix it, you don't just look at it and go, Oh, that's what this whole thing is about that. And so, you know, it's, you try to teach this to kids when you're when they're growing up, right, which is that you should expect something from yourself every day, like, you don't just get up going, whatever happens happens. You know, I'll go with what that guy says, you know, let me see it, you should look at yourself and say, here's my hope for myself today and take steps towards that. You know, like, I mean, those flowers, you just, I just looked at, like, how long have you been working to? To perfect that?

Kelsey 48:05
gear? I don't even know. Um,

yeah, I mean, I mean, my first ones in high school, but I've been doing this continuously for like, four years. So I mean, they definitely didn't look like that when I started.

Scott Benner 48:18
But you expected that they would? Yeah, right. With enough practice and enough desire, you thought you could get to it?

Kelsey 48:25
Right? Like, gotta build towards it.

Scott Benner 48:28
And you had the tools like you had the basic tools, and you knew, like, Oh, I could, I can hone this.

Kelsey 48:34
Exactly. Right. I took classes, and I hope to and learning from others and watching YouTube videos.

Scott Benner 48:41
Okay, so now let's translate that to diabetes, right? Maybe, maybe you don't have the tools. But you checked out the podcast, you found the tools, and now you're practicing. Right, and you're getting pretty flowers.

Kelsey 48:55
Exactly.

Scott Benner 48:56
I love this down here. You want to see something interesting?

Unknown Speaker 48:59
Yeah, I

Scott Benner 49:00
just got a text message from someone who did not say that I can use their name on the podcast, so I'm not going to do that. But I've been talking to this person for a week maybe. And they started right where you and so many other people describe just blood sugars all over the place. They don't know what to do, this person is still doing shots. So they're doing like a slow acting insulin shot, long acting and we still started with basal rates, we got their basal insulin together. And you know, blood sugar's came down overall. Then talked about you know, Pre-Bolus saying and you know, getting the timing right and in just a couple of days. This is a mom of a 14 year old girl like they started like seeing better results, and and less spikes and less lows and it's all just, it's coming together for the middle week. And I'll be Get into her text when you and I are done talking, and I guarantee you what I'm going to hear is she hit a roadblock. It's gonna be something, right? It always is when they follow up, right? I'm gonna pull them up. Let me see my test myself. Let me open on my phone.

Unknown Speaker 50:14
And question for you.

Scott Benner 50:17
Yep. Okay, she's having trouble. And the trouble is I'm gonna get period related, this is the first day of the right. So it's all I'm going to do is reinforce to her is that what you've been doing? You need to do stronger, like, be just go back and be more aggressive, it's going to be more difficult because no pump, right? So you can't just go to like Temp Basal rates that are jacked up. But it's still gonna be doable, she's gonna have to Bolus a little more get it down. This is a person who's looking for a pump, and we'll be getting one soon. But it's, it's all doable. And now the questions that they're asking, and their texts are so much more thoughtful than the the questions they were asking last week. That interesting, like, do you feel like you're diagnosing things quicker when you look at them now?

Kelsey 51:12
Yeah, I think so. Um, and I'm definitely actually sitting there and thinking about instead of just going oh, well, I guess.

Scott Benner 51:22
Oh, well, that's it. And so is that what happened in the past? You just, it would go up? And you'd be like, yeah, I guess that's just part of what happens.

Kelsey 51:29
Pretty much. Yeah. I just thought that was part of the package.

Scott Benner 51:32
No kidding. And what set that expectation for you to think

Kelsey 51:36
just, oh, yeah, I just think it was all the years of not having the CGM and not knowing and not knowing how to fix it and think everyone was crazy. And then when you're told you're a one sees good, and you're like, I mean, this is good. What else can you do?

Scott Benner 51:55
Do you feel overall better now than you did six months ago?

Kelsey 51:59
I do I feel less like overwhelmed. Like, it's less of a thing that I'm constantly thinking about.

Scott Benner 52:08
That's really cool. I try to make that point to people. I don't know if they believe me or not. But like, they're like, oh, you're talking about more work? I can't do more. And I'm like, no more work upfront, less work

Kelsey 52:20
forever. Right. Exactly. It was only more work at first, but now it's like, Okay, I know how to deal with this. Because you're learning something.

Scott Benner 52:27
It's just something new. And you have to give away all the notions about diabetes that you had prior.

Unknown Speaker 52:33
Right, right.

Scott Benner 52:34
Exactly. Yeah. And isn't it? Is it? Do you find it true that what you're doing now doesn't really resemble what you were doing before? Almost at all? Right? Yeah, completely. See, Kelsey, and I really, I'm onto something here with this podcast. I have to tell you, it's really working out. Is there a podcast idea for decorating cakes? No, right? It's a visual medium, you need to do a YouTube channel. Right now, Kelsey, would you do a YouTube channel? Have you decorating cakes and making those flowers? Because I think I think time lapse footage of you, of you making those flowers would be amazing.

Kelsey 53:12
Yeah, I'm a video like kind of complicated. Get the lighting right and all that stuff. But something I've thought about but I only have one video I've ever made and that was like to help a customer figure out how to use their flower.

Scott Benner 53:27
Where's this Ryan in this? What's he busy? He can't figure the rest out of this. I'm making the flowers. You figure out how to video the flowers. Like we got to do get into the fight a little bit. Ryan Come on. And so this those flowers are like does he know they're amazing? Has he ever told you how many

Unknown Speaker 53:45
days before? I bet you he

Kelsey 53:46
helped me make a couple of them. Maybe? Yeah, cut this. This is trying to teach him more but

Scott Benner 53:52
you need to get a production line up. Exactly. Yeah, actually, you start rolling those babies out and teach them how to make those. Hey, you

Kelsey 54:00
go both an intern you imagine if you just

Unknown Speaker 54:04
like a little sweatshop of your children and making like flowers for

Scott Benner 54:09
their make the purple ones don't get up there's no ping until they're done. And But seriously, like I when I looked at them I thought the process of making them would be an incredibly interesting like, you know Instagram video or something like that. I we could get you to a spot where you had so many orders for those flowers. You couldn't keep up with them. Oh, yeah, you know what I mean? Have to quit that job.

Kelsey 54:35
Well, I'd have to get some interns or something.

Unknown Speaker 54:36
Do you sell them to the bakery?

Kelsey 54:40
Um, no, I make the flowers there for them. So it's not good.

Scott Benner 54:43
I don't like that. No, no, I don't like that because you're making a flower for an hour long rate and you're probably not making as much now as you charge for the flower.

Kelsey 54:54
Rebel I've never actually done like an apples to apples comparison. But time to shine up as I like to draw So I'm pretty happy. They're

Scott Benner 55:02
looking at me. I'm trying to get you fired. I'm

Kelsey 55:05
not gonna let them listen to this podcast.

Unknown Speaker 55:08
He's like, Listen,

Unknown Speaker 55:09
I like my job. Why are you trying to talk to me?

Kelsey 55:12
Cuz I get home I just do the flowers. But then here I get to like actually decorate the cake and do the weddings and all that stuff that I don't get to do

Scott Benner 55:20
with the flowers. You take the cakes to the, to the weddings. Yeah. And then do you put them together there or tell me about sometimes.

Kelsey 55:27
So if it's a small cake, we can just put it in the car and deliver it. But for like a really big like a two foot three foot tall cake. We got to assemble it there because it's just too heavy.

Scott Benner 55:38
So you take everything you need icing, like because I don't think do people. I don't know if anybody listening. Thanks. And I but when you assemble a larger cake, there's icing in between the cheese like mortar, like you're like you're building a brick wall. Right? Right. Right. And so you take all that to the site. How long do you think you can spend at a site like putting a cake together for a wedding?

Kelsey 55:58
Um, it depends on what the timeline is sometimes like it was an hour to set up sometimes they give us 10 minutes. So

Scott Benner 56:05
have you seen Have you seen those videos of the one My wife has shown me actually where you sort of build a cake stack? And then use a bread knife to shave it down into a shape?

Kelsey 56:19
Yes, like a bolton type thing? Yeah, like

Scott Benner 56:22
they're like you're making like a like an ice sculpture but out of out of like, Uh huh. Isn't that amazing? Yeah, that's pretty cool. You should try that too.

Kelsey 56:31
Thank you. My favorite thing to do?

Scott Benner 56:32
No, listen. That's what we'll teach. Right. Right. I'll do the shaving part. Yeah, I don't know. And do you? Here's me from the bakery. As she's cutting it down and shaving it in the video. All I can think is isn't that gonna create like a lot of crumbs when I tried to like Yeah. Well, yeah, what I mean, right? Because if the icing is too thick, it grabs the cake and pulls up like little pockmarks get crumbs, the icing, the whole thing's just a disaster. And I find that very,

Kelsey 56:58
like, do a crumb layer of icing first and then do the smooth layer on top of it.

Scott Benner 57:03
Is that what I was doing wrong? Maybe late now, I'm older.

Kelsey 57:09
That's definitely a helpful hint there.

Scott Benner 57:12
I don't even think I'm allowed to eat cake anymore. Like so hit that age where they're like, Can you just like rice cakes? Like light salt, maybe have a glass of water? And yeah, it'll eventually it sucks, honestly. But actually, I guess if you're lucky, you'll get old enough to where someone says, Hey, don't eat that anymore.

But anyway, so Okay, kills? Have we covered everything? Or is there anything we've left out or anything you want to talk about? That? I didn't know, I know, I basically forced you don't have on this podcast because of your butt.

Kelsey 57:45
Right. I was like, I have no idea what we're gonna talk about. Let's just see how this goes. And I think it's gone. Well.

Scott Benner 57:51
Yeah. See? And are you still nervous the way you were in the beginning?

Kelsey 57:55
Oh, not as much. I'm still a little nervous. But

Unknown Speaker 57:57
I can tell like i think

Scott Benner 57:59
i think we'd have to do like three hours before I think there's a whole other person side of you. I didn't meet today.

Kelsey 58:05
There might be

Scott Benner 58:06
there might be who is that person?

Kelsey 58:08
I'm a little shy at first, take some take some time getting used to

Scott Benner 58:13
it. Well, listen, it's very, it was very nice to be to do this. Because if you are a shy person to begin with, plus, you weren't like, I want to be on the podcast. I was like, Kelsey, you have to come on the podcast. Now. So here's how we're going to end up that if we if we've covered everything you were hoping to cover. I want the baby to be named after me somehow. I don't know how reasonable that is or not, but I'm making a real plea to you here. Okay, now I realize my name is kind of boring. And you're probably not gonna want to go with Scott. But maybe an initial some sort of a shout out in the in the middle name somewhere. Where do you think we can make this work?

Kelsey 58:46
Oh, no, no, I feel like names are a little bit further down the road. But

Scott Benner 58:52
Alright, so let's start thinking about it now that like, maybe we don't have an answer yet. But if it's just an initial, something to that effect, I mean, I'm not asking you to name Okay, like juicebox or something like that. Like, that's ridiculous. But, uh, if we could get an S in there somewhere, even if there's an s still there. Yeah. Can you hear me?

Unknown Speaker 59:10
Okay, yeah,

Scott Benner 59:12
no, even if there's an s in the name, and you didn't put it there, because of me. It wouldn't hurt to set a note and say you did you know what I mean? Like, like, yeah, like here. Here's an example. It took my daughter off to school this morning, and my wife was packing up her bags to leave for work. When I came back, my wife was still there. And I said, Oh, did you wait around to see me? And she said, No, my computer's just shutting down. And I said, Kelly, How hard would it have been to just say yes, like, just go Yeah, I wonder wait around, say goodbye. Like, you know what, I mean, caution, nothing kind of a situation. So I'm saying if you if you come up with a name with an S or a B, like anything, just lie to me later and tell me it's for me.

Unknown Speaker 59:53
Okay, I think I can

Scott Benner 59:54
handle that you'd be willing to lie to me. I'll see. Thank you. This is very sweet. Have you

Kelsey 1:00:01
know anything for a friend?

Scott Benner 1:00:04
I really do appreciate. I wish I would have known that. That you were in Tampa. I think I totally would have stopped by down there at one point. And do you want to say the name of the bakery?

Kelsey 1:00:14
And the bakery is called hands on sweets?

Scott Benner 1:00:17
Hands on sweets, and it's right outside of Tampa.

Kelsey 1:00:20
Yep. Right. Right in South Tampa.

Scott Benner 1:00:22
Okay, so if a lot of people with diabetes are coming in to say hi to you, I apologize for that up front. And if you guys are weird, don't go see Kelsey. But if you're nice, you can go sad or okay. And you know which one of you are weird look in the mirror. You can figure it out. Okay. Right. Like me, I would be like, I would scare you. So I would never come. But But somebody else might. Alright, Kelsey, listen, I want to wish you and Ryan Absolutely. Like, you know, happy marriage. Congratulations. It's still very new thing. So very well done. Did you did your wedding do everything? Was it what you hope? Did you have a great day?

Kelsey 1:00:56
Yeah, it was awesome. We had so much fun. That's excellent.

Unknown Speaker 1:00:59
Did you make the cake?

Kelsey 1:01:01
I made the flowers for the cake.

Scott Benner 1:01:04
That's really nice. It really is. If you have a picture of your wedding cake, and you want to share it, I will put it up on this episode.

Kelsey 1:01:11
Sure I can email you a picture.

Scott Benner 1:01:12
Seriously. I would love that. Yeah, I just was really taken when I went look at your flowers. I was like that. They're really, they're astonishing. So thank you. I see that web address one more time.

Kelsey 1:01:23
Ah, Kelsey cakes.

Scott Benner 1:01:24
calm. Cool. All right, Kelsey, thank you so much. You have no idea how nervous Kelsey actually was. The stuff I cut out in the beginning was hilarious. I asked her to introduce herself and it was like she did not know who she was. But she definitely knows how to make cakes and the gorgeous flowers that go on top of them. She wasn't asking for a plug when she came on. But I think it's worth five minutes of your time to look at it. KL si e cakes, calm Kelsey cakes calm. Her flowers are stunning. As always my great appreciation to on the pod decks calm and dancing for diabetes for their continued and longtime support of the podcast. Check them out dancing for diabetes.com my omnipod.com forward slash juice box dexcom.com forward slash juice box. There's always links in the show notes or at Juicebox podcast.com. If you can't remember them. Don't forget to check out my Facebook page where there's now a private group where over 1500 people are discussing their diabetes together. It's possibly the most civil place on the internet. I don't say that lightly. These conversations are wonderful. They're helpful, warm, not judgmental. A really good group of people. If you think you fit in, go check it out. I'll leave you this week with what it sounds like when a leaf blower goes past the window of the person you're interviewing. Over if you

Kelsey 1:02:55
like right there.

All right. Can you hear me now?

Scott Benner 1:03:06
I can hear you fine. Don't worry. I edit that out or leave it in for humor purposes. I can't decide

Kelsey 1:03:11
All right. I mean he was like right there. Okay, so