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Scott Benner 0:00
Hello everyone and welcome to Episode 264 of the Juicebox Podcast. Today's show is sponsored by Omni pod Dexcom. And dancing for diabetes, you can go to dexcom.com forward slash juice box, my omnipod.com forward slash juice box or dancing the number four diabetes.com. Vicki is a returning guest and she's here today for one specific reason to talk about how she boluses for a keto diet. Oh, what's that? Mm hmm. You have to Bolus for protein and fat? Uh huh. Consider this one, a beautiful standalone. It's just a short conversation about how to Bolus for a specific meal timing and a little bit of the details around it, or, and this is how I think of it. It's an extension of the diabetes pro tip episode, Episode 263. Just the one before this. So if you haven't heard to 63 my opinion, you listen to that one first, then this one. But listen, I'm not your mom. I'm not here to tell you what to do. You handle it any way you want. Just know in my mind, they're sort of the same episode, they could have been together, but the other one was a pro tip. And I want to keep that series just me and Jenny. Please remember that nothing you hear on the Juicebox Podcast should be considered advice, medical or otherwise. And always consult a physician before making any changes to your medical plan. or becoming bold with insulin.

You know what episodes you were on before? Do you know the number of it by any chance?

Vickie McWatters 1:50
I want to say 191 one something like that? I don't know is my second we should finish the sentence or something like that. I don't know why you need it that way. Excellent. Yeah, cuz that

Scott Benner 2:01
Yeah, no one knows why any 191 is shame cycle so that I know that wasn't you. So hold on a second, all second.

Vickie McWatters 2:12
171

Scott Benner 2:13
we should finish the sentence Episode 171. And it says it says no, not platypus platitudes. Look at that Vicki and Scott, discuss everything you can think of. And two things that you can't about type one diabetes, no more platitudes finished the sentence. All right. Well, I don't remember either, but I bet you people should go listen to it. But But I'm having you back today. And let's give people a tiny bit of context, Vicki, since you've been on the show, I have visited your home state and spoken at your jdrf conference because you are actually an employee of that chapter. That's right. Which I was really grateful for. It was very thrilling. And second biggest crowd I've ever spoken to in my life. Very cool. I didn't mean to judge you by not just saying the biggest crowd. But the truth is that it was the second biggest, had a wonderful time met a lot of great people that I see online today, almost every day, listen to the podcast, and everything was really a wonderful experience. But while I was out there, you had to pick me up from the airport. So for all you people who think like, you know, you roll up at the airport, jump off the private plane, the jdrf sends a stretch limo. It's not what happens, Vicki rolls up and she's like, get in buddy, you know, like I get sort of like that. So on the way back to drop me off at my hotel, we stopped and got food. And he ate that day, what I would consider to be almost no carb or very, very low carb. And we sat down and she ate her food. We talked and I don't know how long we were there. I imagine it felt like it was a half an hour maybe. And we got back in the car. And we're driving. And then we're stopped at a traffic light and Vicki whips out our PDM from her Omni pod and starts giving herself insulin and I was mesmerized like wow, what is happening here. And she said I have the Bolus for the protein rise, which I was gobsmacked. I was like that's brilliant. And she put in insulin. And I never heard or CGM after that and, and it was pretty crazy. So while I don't subscribe to a low carb diet and Arden doesn't a lot of people who listen to podcasts do and the other day someone said to me, I don't know how to Bolus for these. You know, for the situations I'm trying to eat lower carb or I forget what they said if it was keto, I don't know like all those words don't mean a lot to me, but I the idea of not having a lot of carbs. Right. And I thought I am going to have Vicki come on and explain how she boluses her meals. And now here you are.

Vickie McWatters 4:48
Here I am. Thank you, Scott. Thank you. exciting to be back.

Scott Benner 4:52
I can only imagine how excited you must be. It's got to be overwhelming. Really the just the joy you're probably vibrating. Vicki and I now know each other, so please do not cast could go way off the rails. Let's go through it first, what do you how do you characterize the way you eat?

Vickie McWatters 5:10
Well, I think it's been a learning experience over the last two and a half years. So I was doing low carb off and on prior to that, and within the last two and a half years, I would say I'm more keto. But I don't really subscribe to the fact that I label myself keto. I love this new craze. I love the new food options that are out there. But I do it because I love the blood sugar control that it gives me.

Scott Benner 5:36
You're saying keto not Cato, not Green Hornet sidekick from the 50s or 60s television show right

Vickie McWatters 5:42
now. I don't even know what you're talking about. Are you serious?

Scott Benner 5:43
Oh, unbelievable. You know you very closely just gonna make this episode called keto. Or keto not keto or something like that. I hope you know that. Just by not you don't know the Green Hornet. And now, Vicki, that's a different thing. Now I guess we have to get past that and keep moving. So sorry. All right. So explain to me what keto means because I definitely don't know.

Vickie McWatters 6:06
The idea of keto is to switch your body from burning glucose for energy to burning ketones for energy. And that's where the keto diet came from. So you don't do sugar, you don't do complex carbohydrates, you really cut back on even the fruit that you eat. So the idea is to eliminate the glucose so that your body burns ketones,

Scott Benner 6:33
okay? And so ketones aren't something that I have in this fat on my stomach, right? It's, it's an I wasn't, I didn't have like a reserve of it I wasn't using and now I've gotten rid of all my glucose. So it's like, hey, this, but it really does. I don't know another way to say it, but it just cuts the fat off of a person like you are incredibly lean. If you're doing a keto diet, and it's really working for you. Is that right?

Vickie McWatters 6:58
Yes, I mean, there are exceptions, for sure. But I think that for the most part, what happens is if your body stops burning glucose, it starts using the fat in your body as energy. And that's where the fat starts to just kind of dissolve on a keto diet.

Scott Benner 7:13
Gotcha. Now, we're getting off track here, but I have to understand something and maybe you don't know. And we should be clear that Vicki's not a doctor. She's a person who picks up people like me at the airport, and other things, right. But, but what if I, what if I go keto, and all the fat, my body disappears? What do I do the next day? Like now you're saying my energy comes from ketones, so my body, so it's funny, because people who have Type One Diabetes here, ketones, they think, oh, ketones bad, because when you don't have enough insulin, your body also produces ketones in it. So what's the difference between ketones that I get if I don't use my insulin correctly, and ketones I get if I eat with this diet, because they can't be the same thing, obviously.

Vickie McWatters 7:56
Right. So like you said, Scott, I'm not a doctor. So I'm going to explain it the way I understand it. ketones, your body burns ketones, even when you're in a fasted state, when you may be sleeping for eight hours, if you ran out of glucose in your body needs a little bit more energy, it can start burning ketones, so you could theoretically be passing ketones when you wake up in the morning. ketoacidosis is lack of insulin. So when your body doesn't have enough insulin, and it starts spilling ketones, that's where it becomes dangerous for a diabetic. And there's a lot of further explanation that I don't quite understand either. But that's kind of how I separate in my head. All I'm trying to do is is just help you understand my experience. And what I found because again, I've been doing this for two and a half years. And again, like you said, there are so many opinions out there. I personally am not necessarily wanting to say every diabetic has to eat this way, I would actually go as far to say I think every person should be eating this way. Because the way it makes you feel it's just so much better. You have so much more energy, you don't have the bloating that you do when you eat a big meal. Even if I eat a big meal because I don't eat all the carbohydrates. I feel better. So I would go as far as to say, I think everybody should be eating this way.

Scott Benner 9:21
Okay, so that that is I think that's incredibly valid. I have done a low carb diet in the past. And I can't argue with anything you just said. I lost weight. I wasn't as bloated. I felt better. I had more energy. I didn't get oddly tired at weird times the day for no reason. Just there's you know, there's no way around it. That is exactly what happened to me. I also, you know, I don't know, I don't know, like, I don't know if I could do it forever. There was a moment six months into it where I just thought to myself, I can't eat this food anymore. You know, like it just felt like I needed more variety. Now I understand it's a different world. I'm probably talking about my Uh, gosh, I'm probably talking about 20 years ago. Right? You know, and now there are like, you know, there are companies making great foods that, you know, mimic what you're accustomed to and, and do a really good job of it. So

Vickie McWatters 10:12
yeah and great ingredients now like almond flour instead of regular flour so I can make desserts, you know. So there's there's a lot of options out there right now

Scott Benner 10:20
I hear people say almond flour a lot. I don't know what they're talking about. I just like look at the almond. And I think how they get into the flour. But then again, when I look at them, and I hear about almond milk, I think there are no nipples on almonds. I maybe just don't understand. Anyway. Okay, so let's put us in a real world situation. Why don't we take us back to that moment that you and I were together? You had a mixture of food? I feel I feel like you had greens, I think you ate a burger outside of a role. Like some other stuff? I don't know exactly. I don't remember anymore. If you remember, that'd be great. But if not, just tell him walk me through a meal. Like how do you do this?

Vickie McWatters 10:55
I do remember, I remember I had just hamburger, I think it had bacon on it. And I think you're right, it had maybe some lettuce and tomato, and I did not eat the bun. Um, that meal for me, is obviously a lot of protein, very little vegetable. So that's something that I need to plan for the protein spike, and the protein spike for me is, is longer, it takes a while for that protein to actually break down into glucose. So it takes a while longer for it to start acting. So I want to put the insulin in. I don't Pre-Bolus for that meal. So I want to put the insulin in after I've already eaten. And when I know that that protein, maybe start turning into glucose.

Scott Benner 11:50
Okay, do you know? Can you put into words the idea of protein turning into glucose? Like what do you like? What's your understanding of what happens?

Vickie McWatters 12:02
I think the lack of glucose in my body means that my body still needs glucose to function. That's my understanding. And when it doesn't have it from the food that you take in, it will turn the protein into the glucose that you need. So that's my understanding of how it works. gluco Genesis I believe something like that, and your body really does take care of itself as far as making what it needs from the foods that you eat.

Scott Benner 12:34
Okay, so yeah, I mean, what you just described is sort of amazing. It's not as amazing as making a baby or something like that. But it's so pretty amazing that your body can do things like that, like just say, hey, I need glucose. Here are the ingredients I have. Right? Maybe I was watching a cooking show the other day on Netflix, by the way, in case anybody likes, it's from john fabro. If you ever saw the movie chef, which is a great, just little underserve movie, that's fantastic. And so he's doing this Netflix special with the cook, who taught him how to cook for to be in the movie. And they're going to do all these wonderful things. And they got to this place the other day, and they just made lunch out of what was there. And it made me think of what you just said, like, your body's like, Alright, here are the ingredients I have, I need to get glucose and and I'll turn this protein into glucose. It's kind of fascinating, you know? And so is it the same every time like, like, can you set a clock to it? Like, do you eat and go, Hey, in 40 minutes, I have to Bolus or does it not that simple.

Vickie McWatters 13:35
So I would say I would even maybe even back up a second. Because I think what's important for everyone to understand is and why I reached out to you in the first place because one of the questions that you asked me was, I don't, I don't know, low carb Arden doesn't eat low carb, why are you Why are you contacting me? Why do you listen to the Juicebox Podcast. And I still use all the methodology that you talk about on the podcast. And I still use all the tips and all the tricks. The only one that I've modified is really timing. When I Bolus and when I give myself insulin, and it truly is a learning experience with the help of the dexcom. So if I didn't have the dexcom, I wouldn't be able to see that I need that insulin 30 minutes later than I actually do. And it is an experiment. You do have to figure out what works for you. But it's I don't feel like it's that much different than figuring out how to eat pancakes. Right? It's your job. It's sort of the same thing as figuring out your Pre-Bolus time you ate exactly to see when how when your blood sugar starts going up and instead of putting in insulin and waiting to see when your blood sugar starts going down. You just have to figure out that timing

Scott Benner 14:49
do anyone else? I mean, you must know other people and like I'm assuming of like a witch's coven of keto eaters or something like that friends or something but but Are there lead times different than yours? Or do you know?

Vickie McWatters 15:03
Yeah, absolutely. Actually, one of my little tips for everyone that I would like to leave with them is I follow a friend of mine who eats very similar as I do, Julie, Julie's a big fan of yours, too.

Scott Benner 15:17
I think a second. Thanks for listening, Julie, tell a friend, appreciate it, maybe leave a rating and a review on iTunes, and I'm sorry. Okay. Joy, joy, appreciate you listening. Thank you.

Vickie McWatters 15:28
So we follow each other's Dexcom. And it's been really valuable to me, I've never followed anyone before. So it's been really valuable to me to see, like some of the trends that she has, and will share with one another up, I just ate this meal. And I just missed it. And here's what I've done. And we are both very different in how we how we manage things, even though we go about kind of the same eating habits, we have the same goals set for our blood sugar. And yet, we still manage it differently my lead times different than hers, if she does have a meal where she decides to eat carbs, because Yes, we do. I'm sorry. I do occasionally. I just this is a lifestyle. For me, I do it because I want amazing blood sugar control. And it's easier for me to eat this way. So if I decide I want to have chips and salsa, which is kind of my weakness, and tacos, I plan for it, I do Pre-Bolus. But I do in depth, hours later, having to really monitor and watch out for my blood sugar because I can spike even like four to five hours later. So I really have to keep an eye on that. And my Dexcom allows me to do that.

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Vickie McWatters 18:44
Julia is not necessarily the same way. So it has been so insightful and so fun and just informative to be able to follow one another and help each other out. So if you guys know anyone that you could follow, it's it's been extremely beneficial. And

Scott Benner 19:03
I learned a lot from following other people's Dexcom. So I really do so. Um, I want my daughters texting me. I'm trying. Does that mean? Now Okay, I know what that means. Sorry. I didn't mean to jump out there. I saw attack sounds like Is there a problem? But there's not a problem. Your blood sugar's like 130 it's after lunch. We're doing great. Nice. So okay. Tips and Tricks, anything you would tell people who are trying to figure out how to so now most people listening to this or listening to the podcast. I've never done like a Gallup poll, but I'm assuming most people are eating carbs, but still see protein rises. So they sort of have two different things going on. They have the impact of those carbs and that glucose like right away, and then they have the rise they can get from protein later some people get some people don't it's more or you know, sometimes it can be more impactful, less etc. But what are if It's a person just doing keto, low carb, like you're talking about. Is is, is it that different? First of all low carb keto, like if I had if I eat a keto meal, or I had a carb meal with a carb meal with, like 20 carbs in it, do you see that big of a deal? You just talked about what you can see later. But what about in the moment?

Vickie McWatters 20:20
No, I think the difference between low carb and keto is your end result. So if your keto Your goal is to truly pass ketones, you burn ketones, so that you can potentially lose weight, use it for energy, use it for mind clarity. So if that's your goal, you'd usually stick to 20 grams of carb or less per day. And some people can fluctuate on that. But that's kind of a good rule of thumb. And to me, if you're low carb, you're just you're you may be eating under 100 grams of carbs a day, maybe less. But your end goal maybe isn't to be in ketosis. So that's where I see the difference, I just really go from meal to meal, I try to stay under 20 grams of carbs a day. But if I don't, I don't know myself over it. And I manage things with my Dexcom. If I'm eating a meal that has moderate protein, and maybe some vegetables, like a salad with chicken on it, I can sometimes get away with not bolusing at all. But depending on what that protein spike might do, I've got my alarm on my Dexcom set at 120. So if I get to 120, I can start paying attention to it and my rising have I just kind of peaked and my floating there at 120. If I am that's okay. But if I'm starting to really peak, then I'll go ahead and Bolus

Scott Benner 21:47
are those and I, I'm sorry, good.

Vickie McWatters 21:49
No. And I think the other thing that's important too, that I've learned from listening to the Juicebox Podcast and from you. And this was something that I really struggled with. Once I allowed myself not to count carbs anymore. It was like a whole new world opened up to me, it was like freedom. It was like I can just kind of guess. And then I'll guess. And if I don't get it right, then I'll make sure the next time I'll do it a little bit differently. And so if I was sitting here trying to calculate, I've seen some people online say, Okay, I'm having this many grams of protein. And I need about half the amount that I would for carbs. And so I'm going to give myself that that bolus and that may work really well for some people. I would have failed by now. If I had to do that, because I don't I don't want to have to do math. I love the way I do it. I have great results. And you given me permission. I know Don't let this go to your head. But you've given me permission not to count carbs has been like freedom.

Scott Benner 22:50
That sounds delightful.

Vickie McWatters 22:53
Julie will love that. Thank you.

Scott Benner 22:54
I said delightful just for Julie to see. I How did that go? Did I meet her and say that I was delightful to her face? Or where did that? No, she just asked and I

Unknown Speaker 23:07
yeah.

Scott Benner 23:08
All I'm trying to do if I'm being honest, is I'm really trying to bring back the word delightful. I just

Vickie McWatters 23:15
I think you're doing a good job.

Scott Benner 23:16
I want people to say the world but I don't know why I just it's one of the words I'm trying to get back into the everyday lexicon. And I'm and I think it's incredibly funny for me to call myself delightful. I really wish I could be in the car or in someone's kitchen while they're listening who is taking me seriously what I'm calling myself delightful, and they're like, what an egomaniac. I love that. I love those. I love those people. I really wish I could meet you because I think you just need to be around more sarcasm so that you understand it better. But it's really, I mean, the key let's not lie i i do think I'm pretty terrific. But

Unknown Speaker 23:55
yeah, let's face it.

Scott Benner 23:57
Do you think that just now when I said I do think I'm pretty terrific that people understood like the second level sarcasm there. I never know I really can't tell. And it's not your fault if you don't understand it. I'm I'm related to people who can't pick up my sarcasm at all. And there are times when I'm just like I should stop like I think they hate me. But it just delights me so much that I don't care.

Vickie McWatters 24:24
Well, I know you have some fans out there that really enjoy it when you say delightful stuff.

Scott Benner 24:29
I'm doing my best here. You know, I mean like I am trying to make diabetes entertaining. You ever try that? It's not that easy. No, it's not. I you know what? I'm gonna yell at everybody. That's second Vicki. You're making me upset. I am over here killing myself trying to make this this education. This is basically school I'm giving you here and I'm making it fun.

Unknown Speaker 24:50
You are making it funny. You

Scott Benner 24:51
gotta jump up on the line and call me names. It's not polite. Just don't listen, if you don't like it, like don't. By the way, if you stop listening still stay subscribed. So I get credit for this. Alright, which I knew this would go wrong. How? How is there anything I'm missing because I really don't know anything about this part of life, I really do want to make sure that we talk about everything that you find to be important around this. So that you can, so that we can, you know, kind of open it up and expand it for people who are interested. But it's but let me go for a second, just say, what I just heard you say, really made me happy. And I wish I wouldn't have just spent all that time saying delightful, because I would have said delighted me. But it's it's that because as I'm doing this podcast, I think in the back of my mind all the time, are people hearing this. It's timing and amount. The whole thing's about using the right amount of insulin at the right time. There's really no more to it than that. And it's an oversimplification at the same time, it's actually a very focused statement. And then you came on, I didn't know what you were going to say. And I feel like that's pretty much what you just said. So yeah, I was really right.

Vickie McWatters 26:05
Well, you know, I still use like, I'm still bold with insulin, there are times that if my blood sugar is a stubborn high, and I, I'm just piecemealing it, and I'm trying to be nice, and I'm just giving myself a little bit, a dose here and there fine. I just have to like rage bullets and give myself enough insulin to I can bring it back down. I can always correct. So bold with insulin is huge. I've been following that ever since I've been listening to you trust what you know to happen will happen. I mean, even with low carb, if you've been eating the same meal, and you know that you're going to go high in three hours time because that protein is going to spike you then then do the bolus later or extend the bolus or you know, do none up front and do all of it later. If you have to Bolus now, because you may forget, in 30 minutes, I do that strategy a lot, where I'll go ahead and put a Bolus in that I won't have it start until 30 minutes or an hour later. And then the one that's huge is using your Dexcom. And setting your parameters. If I were to be at, you know, 80 and 200, it would be too late, I wouldn't be able to catch it. So I've got it set at 70 to 120. And if my alarm goes off at 120, then I know I've got to pay attention. And do I need a little bit more influence? Do I need to Bolus or am I just gonna kind of coast and trend back down? So everything that you've been talking about applies to low carb too. It's just the timing is different.

Scott Benner 27:39
Yeah, in many ways, if not almost all of them. It's exactly the same. And like you're saying, besides the timing, and I would probably ask one more question. Is it also impact? Like because you're not eating things with the same glycemic load? Probably do spikes not happen as quickly when they happen? Or do they still?

Vickie McWatters 27:59
No, they don't happen as quickly. And and if I'm eating, like I said, if I'm eating fiber, if I'm eating a big salad if I'm eating more fat, the time that you and I had lunch together, I was basically protein and fat. That was it. Yeah. And I knew that would spike much much later. So I was able to into and I should have just Bolus when I ate and said none up front because, you know, life gets busy and you get talking to me in the car and I lose track of time. But it's it usually is about I usually don't Bolus if I eat that kind of meal for a half hour to 45 minutes after I've eaten it.

Scott Benner 28:37
Okay. All right. That's perfect. I appreciate you doing this. Hey, real quickly. For anybody out there listening and other jdrf events. would you suggest that they bring me out?

Vickie McWatters 28:46
I definitely would. We had such a great reaction. And, you know, I'm sure I'm adding to the ego here but that's okay. Hold it up for a second. We had such a great reaction from Scott coming out. So many people crowded into listen to his breakout even after he did his keynote session. And we've got several people that want to have you back. So you may be coming back to Arizona.

Scott Benner 29:11
I like it there. By the way. Could it be warmer next time I come because it was cold and rainy. And I didn't think it rained in Arizona and you flew me into Arizona it was raining.

Vickie McWatters 29:20
Well, if you came this month, it would definitely be warmer but no guarantee.

Scott Benner 29:24
Can we talk Can I tell you how sad it made me that you put me in this very lovely hotel across the street from where the California angels were doing their spring training. And it was raining so they weren't playing? And I had no I had like this. Well here's the funny story is I thought I had three hours till I had to be at this dinner after I landed it turns out I was completely wrong about that. So I was and this is not to be pictured no one picture this but I was like naked in the hotel room. Like getting ready to get in the shower when I recognize that the car was picking me up in 20 minutes and I'm just like Look, I'm rolling around the room. I'm thinking, you know, I'll shave, get a shower. And maybe hopefully they'll start playing baseball across the street. And I wonder what I'll do with this time? It turns out because you know, the time of change, I didn't really pay attention to that fact. Yeah, that was probably late. Anyway, I still showed up. I came through.

Vickie McWatters 30:18
Yeah, we did. It was great. We loved having you.

Scott Benner 30:22
Yeah. So just Vicki one more time, say how great I was. And I'm just kidding. No, I seriously, I love coming out to those events. I love meeting people who are not thinking this way. And it's so interesting to talk to them. And watch the gears turn in their head. Like that. That's my favorite part. Like I love watching someone think, Oh, my gosh, I've been struggling all this time. And you're telling me there might be a different way. And then this person is explaining this different way to me. And it's making sense. I love watching the the dots start getting connected. It's really a it's a lot of fun. And I really do enjoy it.

Vickie McWatters 30:56
I love seeing people in our community saying, Oh my gosh, my agency came down two points since Scott came to the, to the type one nation and that does, that just thrills me it's it's just great. I love hearing stories like that. It really is cool.

Scott Benner 31:12
I genuinely appreciate you, uh, you know, you took a, you had me out early on before a lot of people had me to those events. And it's, it's no stretch of the imagination to, to imagine that the jdrf doesn't always have people like me out to their events. And so when your chapter does have me out there, they're a pretty progressive chapter. And you should thank them. Because they really are looking out for you. They're trying to find ways for you to to live better. So it's very cool. All right, Vicki, I genuinely appreciate this. Thank you so much. Yeah, I hope I was helpful. I think you are, but I don't know anything about it. So you could have been making the whole thing up, but I would never No. Huge thanks to Vicki for coming back on the show a second time and sharing how she handles her keto diet. Thanks also to Dexcom on the pod and dancing for diabetes, I want you to remember that you could go to dancing the number for diabetes.com right now, and just have your heart filled with goodness. How could you do better than that, you can follow them on Instagram or Facebook. And if you want one of those fancy Dexcom g six is go to dexcom.com forward slash juice box. And of course to get the free no obligation pod experience good for monopod Miami pod.com. forward slash juice box. Let me take a second to thank you guys for the newest ratings and reviews on iTunes, which I guess Apple wants us to call Apple podcasts. bunch of new ones came in this week, very much appreciated. Thank you love the five star reviews. Also. My Facebook page bold with insulin you may have heard has a little private group going and I say a little private group and I'm looking because Ooh. Once I approve this person who's asking to be in the private group, it has 801 members. And when you go in there, it's really amazing. It's people like you listeners to the podcast, we're helping each other using like phrasing and terms and ideas they learned on the podcast. It's very meta, and amazing. And you should check it out if you're interested. And if you're not interested, please don't check it out. No pressure here. Last thing, right. Go to Juicebox Podcast calm and yes scroll and you scroll and you scroll right there's a you can sign up to the mailing list. And then up here to merge t shirts just added a bump and nudge shirt there's more that the converse stickers with all your favorite sayings on there. There's a very cool Be bold tote bag. Stop the arrows shirts, be bold shirts Juicebox Podcast logo and there's mugs and I didn't imagine these would be so popular but they are coffee mugs with all your favorite sayings. Stop the arrows pumping nudge Pre-Bolus wake up in the morning Get yourself a cup of coffee remind yourself to stop the arrows or whichever saying really resonates with you. These items are not a huge moneymaker for me. They were asked for by a lot of listeners, I found a way to give you guys quality items that were the shippings handled and everything and I don't really need to make make stuff at my house and send it to you. It's cool if you want it if you don't, you know it's cool too. I'm not gonna lie to you, I'm keeping whatever money I do make off of them and make a couple bucks off of each thing. I put it back into the podcast mostly or pay my bills. So if there's something there that you like, That's amazing. If there's not just keep listening, share the podcast. That's what you can do more than anything. If you're enjoying the podcast, and you'll want a mug but you can't afford a mug, but you'll want to help tell someone else about the podcast that helps as much if not more than anything else. I can't spend that but it is really helpful.