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Scott Benner 0:00
Hello friends and welcome to episode 1211 of the Juicebox Podcast.

On this episode of the podcast I'll be speaking with Katie she's 28 years old, she was diagnosed at 22. She has ADHD and we're going to spend a lot of time today talking about her life. Her diagnosis story, which is pretty scary, actually comes at the end of the episode. While you're listening, please don't forget that nothing you hear on the Juicebox Podcast should be considered advice, medical or otherwise, always consult a physician before making any changes to your health care plan, or becoming bold with insulin. If you or your child have type one diabetes and you're a US resident, please go to T one D exchange.org/juicebox. and complete the survey. When you complete that survey, you're helping type one diabetes research to move forward. You're also supporting the podcast and you may be helping yourself T one D exchange.org/juice. Box. When you place your first order for ag one with my link, you'll get five free travel packs and a free year's supply of vitamin D. Drink ag one.com/juice box. My cozy Earth offer code is going away in June. Well, it's not really going away it's going down it's 40% off when you use the offer code juice box and cozy earth.com until June first and then it goes to 30% So hurry up. This episode of The Juicebox Podcast is sponsored by ever since the ever since CGM is more convenient requiring only one sensor every six months. It offers more flexibility with its easy on Easy Off smart transmitter and allows you to take a break when needed. Ever since cgm.com/juice box. This episode of The Juicebox Podcast is sponsored by the contour next gen blood glucose meter. Learn more and get started today at contour next one.com/juice box. This show is sponsored today by the glucagon that my daughter carries G voc hypo Penn, find out more at G voc glucagon.com. Forward slash juicebox.

Katie Scott 2:15
Hi, I'm Katie Scott. I'm 28 years old, I was diagnosed as a diabetic at 22. And it's been a wild adventure getting diagnosed at 22 at a time where you're becoming independent and figuring out your life. But through that I've been able to start my own business Eureka aerial, which is a youth aerial dance company in Minnesota. That has been just the most magical thing. So yeah, that's kind of what I want to talk about today. All right.

Scott Benner 2:47
So let's figure out how you got to this diagnosis.

Katie Scott 2:51
Oh my god,

Scott Benner 2:53
what was the first thing you know? Because 22 You're on your own right?

Katie Scott 2:56
Oh my god. Yeah, I was on my own. I was going through yoga teacher training at the time. I'm not a yoga teacher anymore. But I was like living my healthy life. Right. Also, I was drinking so much water. I was like, This is great. I'm drinking so much water. I'm like hydrated. And you know, whatever. Well turns out like you know, the drinking water would be because I had type one. And I was like just excessively thirsty all the time. So I would say probably I was undiagnosed. I'm really not sure how long it could be anywhere from six months to four months. And it really came to a close when I was just losing weight extremely rapidly. I was down to like 80 pounds because I'm only five feet tall. So like, but also 80 pounds like I was like skeletal the water drinking that I was proud of and ended up me if I would forget my water bottle I was having like panic attacks because I was I was so thirsty. And then I couldn't sleep at night because I was constantly getting up to go to the bathroom. Okay, I had a yeast infection for like, for like four months, a chronic yeast infection that like wouldn't go away and looking back like I kept going to the doctor for it and like you know, getting getting antibiotics what or whatever. And turns out like that's one of the number one signs in women who have type one undiagnosed type one is like chronic yeast infections.

Scott Benner 4:26
Katie, the number of women who have told me they had a yeast infection. It goes into the dozens. So you're not the first person so

Katie Scott 4:32
it's horrible. Yeah. And I was like, me and my fiance. He's my fiancee now but we just only been dating six months. And he invites me out to this wedding and Colorado at the end of the summer. Okay, we're in like the highest elevation point on this mountain. I'm sitting on a hay bale during this wedding and address in the hot sun with the worst yeast infection of my life in Colorado. And I just started dating him. So I wasn't comfortable enough to be like I have a yeast infection. And like, his family was there. So I'm like I have, I'm just gonna suffer in this hot sun on a hay bale with a yeast infection. Like it was, it was honestly, the most uncomfortable I've ever been in my whole entire life. I was like, this is awful. If somebody

Scott Benner 5:20
would have thrown a roll under you, do you think you would have been like that probably fell out of me.

Katie Scott 5:25
Ah, I was like, I you know what? That's reasonable, really should have thought about because I would have been so rich if I created a business out of my yeast production, because I don't think anyone's gonna buy your yeast rolls. But okay, you'd be surprised in this day and age. In this day and age, everyone would be like, Wow, that's super woman owned business. Wow. It's made from and now I could even be like, it's made from a disabled woman.

Scott Benner 5:54
Baker. Disabled to try to. Some

Katie Scott 5:57
people say type one type one is a disability or chronic illness, but it's like it's kind of both you know, whatever. Like

Scott Benner 6:02
you're trying to get more juice for your for your Instagram by calling. Oh, yeah, I

Katie Scott 6:07
should put that in my bio.

Scott Benner 6:08
Can I ask you a serious question? Yes. You're only dating this guy for a short time? Were you intimate with Him? Yeah, it

Katie Scott 6:14
was intimate with Him.

Scott Benner 6:15
Did it occur to you to be like, maybe this guy's not clean? Like, no, no, no, no. So

Katie Scott 6:19
I actually also just get yeast infections kind of anyway. Something you do for fun if someone looks at me the wrong way. I think I can just be like a yeast infection. But his he's very clean. He's very, very clean. But like, yeah, no previous partners. I was like, You need to wash your hands like I get it. But no, like not. He's very, very clean. But ya know, like, we were intimate but like, only when like, my yeast infection would go away for a short period of time from the antibiotics then you were

Scott Benner 6:49
like it's time. Yeah, no kidding. Hey, you know, I knew this is gonna be a fun interview when you said that you were becoming a yoga teacher.

Katie Scott 6:58
Yeah, what do you want to know about that? No. I

Scott Benner 7:01
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Katie Scott 9:46
Oh, I don't know like Hear me out. Okay, let me tell you a little bit about that. I grew up in a dance like I grew up as a dancer, okay. I was like a competitive dancer. It was like my first love in life was my first passion was And I started teaching dance when I was like 17. And I had when I graduated high school I had, I went to community college and dropped out. And then I went back to community college, and I dropped out again, because I didn't learn the first time, which is fine. And so I was like, I didn't really I don't think I'd ever really even done yoga that much at all. And I decided I was going to, I did no research into it. And I found a yoga place offering teacher trainings. And I was like, Yeah, that's what you go to school for. Right? Like, you will learn how to like, you know, do teach yoga, I thought it would be like, an extra thing on my resume, because I was still teaching dance at the time. And, you know, I was gonna be this yoga teacher shirt. What I didn't realize is that like, well, first of all, I was like, one of the like, the youngest ones at the time in the in the room, and it was like, mostly like women 30 to 40 year old mom, 3540 year old moms, and a little older, you know, doing it as like, because they've been doing yoga forever. And they just wanted to deepen their practice and then start teaching, right. So also, I did realize like, I picked one of the most spiritual yoga studios, and I was learning all these like crazy things. I honestly couldn't keep up like, I just wanted to do the splits. And I did I did get into it, though. I did really like it. I did get a little too crazy for me and where it just it did become a little bit culty like, I joke to some people that I accidentally joined a yoga cult. Because I did like it. It wasn't like a fun one. Like we weren't doing like, you know, the fun stuff. Some I don't. It's our colds, fun. I don't I don't know. I just like imagine like, you know, like the hippies, you know, like, taking acid and like, doing whatever they do sharing a toothbrush. Like none of that. Katie,

Scott Benner 11:54
I can't keep up with you. I talk so fast. And you are so much quicker than I am. Like,

Katie Scott 12:00
really? Fail. Calm down. I probably had too much caffeine, but you're

Scott Benner 12:05
not on anything. Right? Like, like on what? Oh, Coke? No, no. Okay.

Katie Scott 12:12
I have to teach later. Today. I teach kids how dare you because

Scott Benner 12:14
no one ever said did you speak quickly? Are you like maybe just jacked up for this?

Katie Scott 12:18
I think I'm I'm definitely having a little bit of an adrenaline rush. And I drink a lot of caffeine.

Scott Benner 12:25
By the way, I'm okay with it. Okay, okay.

Katie Scott 12:28
I'm like, Oh, my God, do I sound up right now?

Scott Benner 12:30
Like, we're gonna tap a whole new market. Like, I have to admit when I watched those video podcasts that are like, you know, two young people complaining about life. And they're going back and forth so quickly. My I'm like, Oh, my God, like, slow down.

Katie Scott 12:44
That's the attention span these days. It's

Scott Benner 12:47
like seven words. And then somebody goes, Oh, my God, and then it moves on to something else. I'm like, Yeah,

Katie Scott 12:52
that's me. Yeah, that's I'm a proud I'm a product of the generation. I'm going to be honest. Oh, my

Scott Benner 12:56
God, that's good. I love that. I love I love that you were like, I'm gonna, I'm gonna learn yoga. I don't know anything about it. Yeah, I

Katie Scott 13:05
was like, I'm gonna I don't know. Like, it seemed like a good idea. And it was, it was interesting, because, you know, I kept not doing it, right. Like the chanting and stuff. Like, I remember like, they brought us through this, like chakra meditation. And like, this girl next to me is just starts bawling. And she's in a fetal position. And is like, you know, like, one person one time was like, everyone was having these like, crazy spiritual experiences in class. And I was like, dang, it's not working for me. I'm like, Am I doing this? Right? Maybe they were pretending. That's kind of what I'm thinking. And then I like, look back. Because my experience now with I've been in the I would, I'll just say creative movement for a long time, you know, growing up as a dancer, and then picking up Arial, which is like, if you guys don't know what Arial is. It's circus, basically. But I don't. It's kind of circus, but I only do the aerial portion of circus. And it's more like dancing, if that makes sense. So you're like, hanging from the ceiling on a sill, or a hoop or stuff like that? Yeah. And I've done a lot of training without stuff like that. Right? What? No, I don't teach Paul because I teach kids that kids don't pull dance. No, I mean, like they could, but I don't think that. I don't think I need to. I think that's self explanatory. Do

Scott Benner 14:22
you think it's self explanatory? Why we don't want kids to pole dance.

Katie Scott 14:25
I would hope that my the parents at the studio would say something to me if I'm like, we're introducing poll now. I would hope that they would say something, you know,

Scott Benner 14:35
your kids know how to arch your back.

Katie Scott 14:39
It's just, ya know, like, I don't know, like, I have a lot of friends that are pulled answers. And they're amazing. And it's not always it's, it really is just another aerial apparatus. And it's not always about, you know, doing a sexy dance or whatever. Like I've seen some amazing ones but unfortunately, it is affiliated with Non kid things I

Scott Benner 15:02
didn't actually mean it that way I meant like i The hanging from the silks and stuff like that like it gives me the same feeling because what you're doing is repetitive in a circle. That's all

Katie Scott 15:11
the way it took to the ceiling. There's a my my Blinky on this right now. A swivel. Yeah, it helps you spin and pull. Dancers also are on a swivel, but it's on the floor.

Scott Benner 15:21
Yeah, no, I know. I've also seen a lot of people do pole dancing for like, wellness and and fitness. Oh, yeah.

Katie Scott 15:28
No, it's a great community. Like, especially I'm in Minnesota, and the pole community here is so loving and nice, but it's just, you know, I don't specialize in teaching poll. I also prefer teaching children over adults. I've done both and I prefer children. And I just what I don't really learn things that I don't wouldn't be able to teach, if that makes sense.

Scott Benner 15:51
Katie, why do you prefer teaching children? Okay,

Katie Scott 15:53
so that's a great question. So I started teaching kids when I was 17. Actually, even before that, like, I was a number one babysitter in my community. I was like, doing all kids stuff. I taught Sunday school for a moment. I started teaching kids dance. And then I taught kids dance from 17 till I was about 24, before he opened up my own studio, and my last dance teaching job. The I had the craziest kids and I just thought I needed a break from teaching kids. So I was like, I'm just going to only teach adults, right. And then I started teaching adults, and I was teaching yoga, I was teaching Arial as well. And bar, whatever fitness classes, and I hated it. I just I felt like I couldn't, I have always had to be like, serious. And I'm just not a serious person whatsoever. And it just was weird to because I was only when I started my business. I was 23 We opened our doors when I was 24. And it just felt like, and I was like always the youngest one in the room most of the time. And it was a lot of like, women in their like 30s or 40s that were like serious about fitness. Or would trauma dump their personal issues on to me, who where it's like you're an adult, you can figure this out like it'll be okay. And they a lot of them got really obsessive about me like almost to a stalker level. Okay, yeah, it was pretty crazy. And I just wasn't, I really wasn't enjoying it anymore. And so we decided to offer a kids aerial class at the studio, and I just fell in love with it again. I was like, Oh, yes, this is much better. Because to be honest, I wait rather hear about why your favorite flavor of Jolly Rancher is cherry for 30 minutes over problems that you have in your life that you can control. You know, I want

Scott Benner 17:53
to know the what's the craziest story, some lady dumped on you in that dance studio.

Katie Scott 18:02
Um, she was complaining. This is just the first one that popped up. She was complaining that her husband hasn't been himself lately, and was just complaining about how needy he's been after he had just had a major heart surgery that he ended up being awake during the whole time for.

Scott Benner 18:19
So this man had heart surgery, and his life is changing. And he's going through something and

Katie Scott 18:26
through the surgery. He was like, sedated, but he was awake and felt everything

Scott Benner 18:31
right. And her complaint is that he's needy now. Yeah,

Katie Scott 18:35
because she had to take care of him after heart surgery and she just was like, I still haven't really processed that one.

Scott Benner 18:43
Were you disappointed to hear that? She didn't care that much about him if she had to do something for him.

Katie Scott 18:49
I don't know if I was disappointed because she was already giving red flags. She was she was really clingy. And an interesting human so I I just was like of course you know, you said that like, and it was just something like where I just kind of the conversation. I just had to like walk away because I didn't really have any input other than like, that's so sad. Like, I hope he's okay, you know, but like it was weird when they come when somebody comes to me or a situation like that out of complaining about their spouse that is needing help.

Scott Benner 19:21
Yeah, this is not the first time I've heard this by the way.

Katie Scott 19:25
I obviously have compassion for people who are like oh, it's been hard you know, he went through surgery this whatever I'm like, All yours listener. I'll help where I can but like it was really interesting how self like just it was just wild. It's like just some just the way people are. How do I say self centered like I don't want to call them a narcissist because I think that gets overused thrown around a little too much. But hey,

Scott Benner 19:51
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Katie Scott 21:36
Oh, no, they weren't listening. They were just doing it because they liked the wedding, they wanted a wedding. You know, they wanted to say Yes to the Dress, something to like, go back. And like kind of like, touch on a few things about that, especially when it comes to type one. I'm very lucky that when I was diagnosed, I was dating my now fiance's Spencer, who is just the best person ever, I'm not gonna get into it too much. But like, he's just an incredible human but, and we've stayed together. And he was my emotional support system, like, my family was not really there for me at all. So he was the only one I had, and it was like six months in, you know, I'm a part of these, like, type one, diabetes support groups on Facebook. And sometimes those are good. And sometimes, you know, I mean, as people are like, there gets to be like, crazy debates on there, whatever, which is dumb, but I have read stories about how people with type one, their partner is just completely like, getting upset if they need to help with a low or literally doing anything like for them to, like, help them through like this. And it doesn't even need to be a ton because like, it's a lot of the times the people that are talking about this, it's they're already like managing diabetes really well themselves. But it's like, you know, you have those like moments where like, you need someone who's supposed to be like your spouse to like, take over and take care of you. And instead, they're treated as needy or, like too much work. And it's almost like their partner makes it about them. And how it's impacting their lives or the fact that like, the person you love is going through something really difficult. And it's, it's, it's challenging. Katie, what

Scott Benner 23:23
you're describing is that it's simple to say you'll be there. It's difficult to actually do it when something unexpected comes up. And yeah, that's when you find out who's on your side. who's got your back, who really loves you like that kind

Katie Scott 23:37
of stuff. And that Oh, yeah. 1,000% Yeah.

Scott Benner 23:39
Hey, where are your parents? Are your parents still together? Are they divorced?

Katie Scott 23:42
Yeah, there's somehow still together like, and my mom's gonna listen to this. So hi, mom. But they can fight. It's crazy. But you know what, the highs are high and the lows are low. And they've been together for? Well, I'm 28. And longer than that to over 30 years. So they've got something figured out. I don't know. It was pretty chaotic, though growing up with the fighting, but they've stayed together. So I think they're meant for each other at this point, you know, and they're both you know, it's interesting when you become an adult, and your relationships with your parents change because you become an adult. And now, I see my parents as who they are as people other than parents, like my mom and dad. And they've become, I consider them like, very good friends. And also I love them as my parents, but like, it's interesting, how the dynamic changes. Yeah, you

Scott Benner 24:36
can start seeing them as real people and not not just your parents. Well, I have to tell you, I think if you're gonna stay married for 30 years, you're gonna have some really great fights. So Oh, yeah, I Yes. I don't know how else to how else to say they change as you get older.

Katie Scott 24:52
I'm looking forward to it. Fighting. Oh, yeah. I'm looking forward to everything that comes with marriage.

Scott Benner 24:59
Well My wife said to me the other day, why do you tease me so much? And I was like, I love you.

Katie Scott 25:06
Yeah. It is. You know, that's, that's actually really funny you say that? Because I mean, me and Spencer always like, we've built a relationship on play, you know? And it's very, very fun most the time, but sometimes it's not, you're like, Oh, you crossline we don't argue like really? About much. And when we do, it stays pretty controlled. And I've paid for so much therapy that if I wasn't regulated, I would ask for a refund at this point. So I'm, I'm confident that we can both get through those arguments with good boundaries and a good head on our shoulders. Yeah,

Scott Benner 25:47
you have to be I mean, you have to be realistic. Oh, yeah. I think that it's important to remember that there are times when you're not going to make sense. And there are times when he's not going to make sense. And then you have to give each other a pass. Because the way I think about it, like you know, there, there are times I just don't like she doesn't mean that, like we've been together for 30 years. She's just upset. Like, I'm not going to take that personally. And, you know, I hope she does that for me in return. I don't think she does. I think she takes but but but I've also I've advocated for her, I said, is there a possibility we could put like a warning light on you. And then when the light is lit, I know that you're going to take everything super personally and never let it go. And then when the lights off, for instance, I know you're gonna be like, you know, I don't want to say reasonable, but you know what I'm saying? And I'm sure the same for me. Like, you know what I mean? Like, there's times you hear something, you just like, you're out of your mind. And you're just like, oh my god, you know, and then there's times just like, that's fine. It's cool. So yeah,

Katie Scott 26:47
I think it's just interesting because with your partner, it's that's the person you're well you're supposed to be like the closest with so they can they really get to see you. So like raw, I guess. I don't know if I love the term raw, but like, you're the most vulnerable around people that you love the most, you know? Yeah.

Scott Benner 27:06
And you're supposed to be but then they can use it against you. And that's when you really find out if you're like when they won't use it against you. Like this person really cares about me. You know, so honestly,

Katie Scott 27:17
Spencer's really not, believe it or not, I'm the more confrontational one in our relationship.

Scott Benner 27:22
Why would I not believe that?

Katie Scott 27:24
I don't know. I'm just you know, it might surprise you.

Scott Benner 27:27
It surprised you.

Katie Scott 27:28
He's very gentle and caring and understanding. So ya know, I just feel like he doesn't, he hasn't really held anything against me like that,

Scott Benner 27:38
ever. Well, you guys are still young and cute. So he's not gonna like, you know, they mean

Katie Scott 27:42
how long we've been together for seven years now. Seven years? Yeah.

Scott Benner 27:46
What are you trying to say? You think he's sick of you? Oh,

Katie Scott 27:49
I think we're both sick of each other. But we love each other. I think that's kind of what that is. Right? Like you. I mean, it is better than when we were first dating because I had a yeast infection all the time. But it's not as exciting. You know what I mean? But like, I mean, we have so much fun together. So and I do genuinely just love the guy.

Scott Benner 28:07
It's gonna morph. It's gonna keep morphing. If you're lucky, it'll keep morphing as you go. I'll

Katie Scott 28:12
keep you updated. You'll have to have me on the podcast again in 10 years, and I'll give you might update.

Scott Benner 28:18
Yeah, I'm gonna get more sleep before I talk to you next time. You know, it's interesting. You want to hear some stuff about yourself? Yeah, when your stream of consciousness, you're, that's when you're going faster. You're good at telling a story when your stream of consciousness, but it's like, it's really fast. But when you slow down, if I asked you a question, and you start thinking about the answer, you get really slow when you're talking. Okay,

Katie Scott 28:41
I'll start thinking more. Do you know that about yourself? Um, no, I didn't know that about myself. Yeah, I mean,

Scott Benner 28:48
I've only known you for 25 minutes. But that's the vibe so far. When you stop to think like, like, for example, if I said to you, do you think you answered my question about why you enjoy kids? As a teacher more than adults? Do you think you actually answered the question?

Katie Scott 29:03
I did a little bit, but I could go into that a lot more. And

Scott Benner 29:07
the answer was, I don't enjoy adults because of all the drama they bring. And I don't like that. You told a story. I liked it. Actually. I like what you did.

Katie Scott 29:17
Oh, thank you. Okay. I wasn't sure where you're going with this. I was like, okay. Yeah,

Scott Benner 29:21
no, you told a story. You were like I said, Hey, do you like teaching kids? And you basically were like, look, they're kids and they're adults. Here's why I don't enjoy being with adults, which was the answer of why you but I don't know if that means you enjoy teaching kids or if you just like it better.

Katie Scott 29:35
Why do I love I love my students ideal. They're just the best. I didn't

Scott Benner 29:39
know if you just meant that you liked it better than those adults who are like, you know, in the middle of their drama and somehow think you're their barber and take it to tell you about it.

Katie Scott 29:47
Yeah, gosh, I should call my hairstylist and send her a thank you now but

Scott Benner 29:55
I realized recently, the same person has been cutting my hair for like ever. She does didn't remember me like any more than, well, here's what I mean by that, Katie. I'm doing this new series, right? And so I've, I've like power recorded like eight episodes for this series for next year. So I've recorded them all in the last four weeks. And I was talking to my editor this morning about something. And he brought up one of the episodes and I was like, I don't remember that. And he goes, dude, you recorded that, like three weeks ago, I was like, I do not remember it. I think my hairdresser has the same thing going on. She sees so many people over and over again, hear so many stories, that when she looks at me, she's like, you're Scott, I know that you have a child, another child, a wife, I cut your child's hair. And I know, like high level ideas about our interactions. But if I quizzed her about things that I know that we've spoken about, she would not know the answers to those questions. Oh,

Katie Scott 30:50
no. I mean, like, Okay, I'm going to weigh in on this for two reasons. First of all, I as a business owner, and I'm teaching kids, and I choreograph, and I choreograph with CO teachers and stuff like that. And a teacher that I'm teaching with will teach a move, and I'm like, Oh, that was really cool. I like that. And they will go, oh, you taught me this. And I'm like, what? You know, I think when you're going through, like, certain motions of the day, you know, it's hard, like, or whatever it is harder, but I will on the other hand, so my mom's actually a hairstylist, and I, okay, so I grew up with hair stylists in my life constantly. And my mom's a hairstylist, her best friend, Mandy, who is, we can maybe talk about this later, but I own my business now on my own, but she was half of my business. When I started out, she's another mom to me, basically. And she owns a hair salon. Okay. And I also worked at that hair salon for a little bit. And those women do jack and Lee care. And they listened the amount of times that my mom has come home, and talks about her clients, like her clients have sent me graduation gifts, I can name a few of her clients off the top of my head. And my mom gets really upset when like, she doesn't have another person come back because she genuinely cares. And that's how it is for a lot of the girls. And that might just be like a man woman difference. Kind of a thing for like, you know, with you have to understand like to like their I don't I can't speak for your hairstylist. But I think you'd be surprised with how much she would say about your life.

Scott Benner 32:27
I know. I imagine. It's just It's funny when you get back together. And you're like, we just talked about this six weeks ago. And she's like, I don't remember that. And I'm like, No, I just feel like she talks to so many people. And I can commiserate because for sure. Like I'm listening to you right now. Like very intently, actually. And I'll remember you all day and and a couple of days from now and then your episode will come out. I'll be like, Oh, I remember talking to Katie. She was terrific. And like, I'll feel all that again. It's just it's so much information. You you can't keep it all. I'm

Katie Scott 32:55
gonna quiz you on something good. Do you remember how many times I reached out harassing you to have me on your podcast? Oh,

Scott Benner 33:05
okay. So a lot of people do that, though. So I've

Katie Scott 33:09
been I messaged you, I think multiple times on both my Instagram accounts and my email and you finally caved. And I was like, I was like,

Scott Benner 33:19
I wonder if you mentioned your business upfront. It made me feel like you wanted to come pimp your business. So maybe once I realized when I felt like you didn't want to do that, then I was okay with it. Oh,

Katie Scott 33:28
yeah. No, I don't want to print my business because I don't I don't have a type of business that like, you can buy a product from me. You have to like come to St. Michael, Minnesota and be a child and go upside down. It's not. Oh,

Scott Benner 33:42
I don't know. I might have some people listening in St. Michael, Minnesota. Okay, well, hello to them. Hi. Oh, now you're all sweet. You're like, Oh, wait.

Katie Scott 33:49
10% off with discount code. juicebox. Your first class?

Scott Benner 33:54
Wait, seriously? Let's do are you willing to do that? What Yeah,

Katie Scott 33:58
if you Okay, so I would love it. Yeah, I want to give 10% off your first like aerial session or like workshop or something like that, for sure.

Scott Benner 34:06
If they come in and mention they heard you on the Juicebox Podcast, I will make a coupon

Katie Scott 34:09
code and I will write it down right now. Okay. And if you type in at checkout, we'll just do juice box pod or all one word. Yeah, okay. But let's just say juice box because that's way easier. And I that's what I usually do. Yeah, let's just do juicebox and let's have it be all lowercase.

Scott Benner 34:34
Okay, if this happens, I want you to tell me I will.

Katie Scott 34:37
I definitely will. Okay, I do have a student that's type one, two, and it's we have more in common she's she's just turned 10 But I have more in common with her than a lot of people.

Scott Benner 34:50
You have a more in common with with a how old girl 10

Katie Scott 34:53
year old diabetic who does aerial? She's. Yeah, she's pretty awesome though.

Scott Benner 34:58
All right. Well, I'm looking here. are in the last couple of, yeah. last few weeks, maybe eight weeks. I have 20,000 downloads in Minnesota. So somebody might hear. Hey, all right. I definitely want to know if that happens. I'm not charging enough for my ads. That's what I know for sure. So yeah, no, yours are free for you. But you definitely have to tell me Okay,

Katie Scott 35:23
I will. I will just read your DMS. Don't ignore me this time. Also,

Scott Benner 35:29
I don't ignore people. I'm busy.

Katie Scott 35:32
I'm giving you a hard time because I think it's funny, but it is. I'll let it go. I'll let it I'm gonna let my eye I'm gonna let it go. Okay,

Scott Benner 35:44
thank you. Appreciate you and I can be together because you're gonna let this go. But if we weren't together, you wouldn't let it go. Right? you'd hold on to it forever and ever. Oh,

Katie Scott 35:54
no, I think I just have a feeling we may talk again in the future. And I'll probably bring it up at some point again, I'm going to be

Scott Benner 36:01
honest, maybe why do you think we'll we'll speak again in the future?

Katie Scott 36:04
I don't know. I just have a good feeling about it. Okay, I'm having fun so far. I'm using my yoga chakra manifestation. Alright, listen,

Scott Benner 36:11
let me ask you about your diabetes a little bit. Oh, yeah. Seems like I should. Why do you know about the podcast? Because if Oh, I love this. If I met you on the street, and talk to you for five minutes, and then you walked away? And somebody said to me, Hey, $50, does Katie, listen to your podcasts? There's no, I'd be like, No, there's no way she cares about me. But why do you know about it? I

Katie Scott 36:35
can't remember where I heard about you first. But it was earlier in my diagnosis. And when I was diagnosed, I kind of said my family wasn't supportive. My mom tried to be, but everyone else kind of ignored it. But my mom tried to do it in ways where like, she was really adamant of me being on the keto diet. And it she didn't realize how much that hurt me were like, for one, like the keto diet, I don't love. And to like, I was like, also just struggling with being a young newly diagnosed diabetic and all the changes of that. And I didn't also want to have to, like go on this extreme diet, and also be different. I just wanted to feel as normal as possible. My mom probably listened to you more than I do. Be. And it's actually healed our relationship a lot, because I got to a point where I was like, you know, like, I can't talk to you about my type one anymore. I don't want you to even mention it, because you don't have the right information. And so I sent her your podcast, and she's been listening ever since. And it's been amazing for our relationship. So, um, was able to, like learn and you know, because people put so much garbage out there. Yeah, about whatever. And she was actually able to, like, really figure out like, learn

Scott Benner 37:54
enough that she could speak to you about it. Mm hmm. Oh, good for her. And congratulations to both of you like for you for speaking up and her for listening.

Katie Scott 38:03
Oh, yeah, no, my, my mom and I are very, very close.

Scott Benner 38:06
Excellent. But it was hard to hear her say things that you knew weren't valuable. You weren't seeing you didn't feel seen. And at the same time, you were trying to figure out your life, which seemed completely upside down.

Katie Scott 38:17
Oh, my God, it was horrible. It was so horrible. Like, okay, so and I'm going to be fair to my family. So when I was diagnosed, I have two older sisters, one of my older sisters was dealing with in a very aggressive alcoholism. Like, I don't know how else to explain it. But she was like, to the point where her organs had failed three times. And as an adult, like we couldn't force her to go into a rehab facility like you have to like, prove that they're going to die. I don't know why I didn't, the first two times her organs failed, wasn't enough proof to get them to get her into a rehab facility. And also, it's harder to get women with addiction issues into rehab facilities because there are less beds for women because men have a higher rate of addiction. So there's more beds for them. Like they're more more in demand, I guess. And so, like, the same week, I was diagnosed, I had to visit my sister like, a few days after my diagnosis, I had to visit my sister in the hospital, where she was just like, on her deathbed. Like it was crazy. And when I was diagnosed, I almost felt like I, my parents were betrayed in a way because I was from what I've gathered, I feel as though like, they were betrayed, because now that they, they had to worry about me or they like, you know what I mean? Like I used to, like have it more together and now I don't right. And it was, it was really lonely.

Scott Benner 39:48
So you said something earlier that I don't know if this combined with what you just said now, but you said that, you know your mom tried, but that other people didn't seem like they did. No, I wonder It just doesn't feel like it's too much.

Katie Scott 40:01
That's kind of where I'm at with it. I think my dad, my dad actually yelled at me when I was diagnosed because he like, first of all, I don't want people to be hating on my dad, because I didn't even know about type one diabetes at all. Like, I also like, that didn't even have any information, really to share with them when I was diagnosed. And everyone was convinced that it was type two. So he yelled at me for drinking too much pop when he found out and I'm like, It's not type two, it's type one. But for some reason, getting diagnosed at 22. Like they can't wrap their heads around it like that it can't not be type two. And then we never really talked about it again. And it's just been, it's kind of weird, like at family, like in my older sisters, really just have not said anything about it, or care.

Scott Benner 40:44
I feel like Katie that sometimes people, if you think about a glass that's completely filled with water, and one more drop, and it'll spill out, I think that's how most people's lives are.

Katie Scott 40:56
I have 1,000% agree with you, I and that's why I'm saying to like, don't hate on my family for this, like they. But it is I will also say it is sad when you're struggling and like the one drop of water would be to overfill their thing would be to have show some compassion and care for you. It was a little hurtful, you know,

Scott Benner 41:16
maybe we could give away some of that space to something less important and have some for you.

Katie Scott 41:21
I don't know, it was really, really strange. But you know, it's I'm working on it. Like we're working on it. I think I don't know, going back to my mom, when she was forcing, not I don't want to say forcing but she was trying her best to get me on the keto diet. I had, like, you know, gained a bunch of weight when I was introduced to insulin again. And then also, I gained more weight during that like a bunch. But I'm just saying like, I used to be like, so stupid saying this, but like, I feel like I was I'm only five feet tall. And I've been like 95 to 110 pounds, like my whole life since then. You know, they mean? Not anymore. And weirdly, I just felt like I was valued for my smallness. I don't know why. And I kind of felt like my mom valued me for that.

Scott Benner 42:09
What have you heard in your life that made you feel that way? competitions with

Katie Scott 42:13
my cousin at Christmas of who has the smaller hands brought on by my aunt, and my mom, like happy that I'm smaller? Why would that matter? And it's just weird stuff.

Scott Benner 42:24
Why is having small hands a thing that we want? I don't know.

Katie Scott 42:27
I honestly like I tried. I like took piano lessons growing up and I never was good. With an I couldn't reach an octave with my tiny pa hand. So it's really more of more of a setback. Couldn't be honest. My tiny Paul, but I think to like my mom, like I'm the youngest. And both in my older sisters are both 5556 You know, and like that's a great like, they're beautiful. They're super beautiful. But like, I just feel like my mom just like really like thought of me as like her baby smallness. You know what I mean? Yeah, and then

Scott Benner 42:58
winning like winning something felt good.

Katie Scott 43:01
I don't maybe I guess I don't know. Like, she wasn't like, like, super happy that my hands were smaller. But it was just like, a weird thing. I felt like that was a little bit more on my aunt, where it was like, why are we even having this competition like, and like, she would like preface it by being like, no hurt. There's no ways read his hands are way smaller. And I'm like, oh my god, what

Scott Benner 43:24
are we all talking about?

Katie Scott 43:27
That's something like at the time, it felt what? Fine. But now looking back, and like that's just really weird. And so when I saw I gained weight through COVID, because I was well stressed. And everyone did also like I don't think people talk about this. But I am like a firm believer that women go through their second puberty is mid 20s. And like my body was changing. Yeah,

Scott Benner 43:47
like, yeah, hips, thighs, that kind of stuff. Right? And I think it

Katie Scott 43:51
was hard on my mom to see me like really looked like an adult. And it felt to like the Keto thing. Not only wasn't my diabetes, but also like, she wanted to get like her like little girl back. Weirdly. So that was kind of a mental. I'm gonna be honest, in

Scott Benner 44:08
your mind. She was like, Oh, I wonder if I can help her with this blood sugar thing. And at the same time, thinner down. Yeah,

Katie Scott 44:14
and for some reason, everyone, like thought that I was like, living this chaotic lifestyle, like not taking care of myself all the time. And that's why because I honestly like I get sick pretty easily because that's because I work with kids, too. Like my immune systems weird. I've gotten better at like taking care of myself. So my immune system is not as messed up the stress of like going through COVID owning your business through that. And then you know, running like just everything in life. Like I was getting sick a lot like I was getting knocked down a lot. And a lot of people were like, just like she was accusing me of basically like not taking care of myself, which is like the worst thing you can say to a diabetic that's trying. You know what I mean? Yeah,

Scott Benner 44:58
no, I Yeah, yeah, you You're describing nobody around, you're really understanding diabetes to begin with. So they think you must have done something insane to get it. And then they start judging everything about you that they can see thinking, well, that if she was doing something crazy like that, I wonder what else she's doing? And yeah, and then you nobody understands nobody's supporting you, your body's changing. There's a lot going on, and you're by yourself. Yeah.

Katie Scott 45:23
Oh, it was horrible. I'm gonna be honest, but like, so everyone listening out there. I definitely 1% Think if you're thinking of starting a business, do it. But I'm going to be honest. It's like having a child

Scott Benner 45:38
that I don't drink is a good miracle. Like, just like you. You guys just hear me make the podcast like, like, have the conversations. The rest of it isn't?

Katie Scott 45:47
Oh, my God, that's the worst part is the rest of it. Oh, my

Scott Benner 45:50
God, you have no idea. Like

Katie Scott 45:51
when I'm not in the studio at my job teaching like, people think I'm not working. And I'm like, no, no, no, no, no.

Scott Benner 45:58
Last night at 11 o'clock, the person who helps me with my private Facebook group sent me a text and said, are you there? And I actually responded, where else would I be? I'm sitting at my desk and making this podcast. It only means like, Where else would I be? I meant it. I meant it funny. She took it that way, too, by the way. Yeah,

Katie Scott 46:18
no, of course, it was funny. Yeah,

Scott Benner 46:20
I'm like, I'm gonna finish this last thing. And then I'm gonna pass out, like, is there anything like that needs my attention, like, right this second, because if it does, like, let's do it now, because I'm almost cooked. You know what I mean? And the pressure about keeping the lights on and making the money, it's just, it's my God, it's horrible. It's never ending.

Katie Scott 46:43
Okay, and that's something I actually wanted to talk about on here is having is setting boundaries as a business owner, with type one, and what that looks like. And just, but also not even just the type one part, like just setting boundaries as a business owner, where it's like, you are so passionate about this podcast, and it's like, your purpose in life in a way, right? It's one of your many purposes. And so if you really, really care about it, I feel the same way about my business, and what it's like to like, get a text at like, 10pm on a Saturday. And not respond also, probably because I'm not in the right. mind frame of mind, you know, what am I doing on 10pm? On a Saturday? I don't know. But also to like, having that like boundary of like, okay, what is it appropriate to contact me? And, and I'm not like, perfect at this. So I'm not whatever. And I'm different with my employees than I am with my clients, I guess you could say. And it's just, it's really hard to balance the like, okay, am I doing too much giving too much of myself right now? And I'm going to end up burning out, or is this necessary for me to respond right away? And what's the appropriate action? Like, how much of myself can I give?

Scott Benner 48:01
Yeah, you want to hear the sad truth? What, take a play off someone scoring a touchdown on you? That's i

Katie Scott 48:07
No, no, no, that's okay. And that's another thing too. That sucks. Because I was going to bring that up as well with like, type one. It was interesting, because I've applied to a few podcasts. And a lot of the email responses will be like, Hey, don't be be patient with us. We're, we're sick. Like it was like a chronic illness podcast or a few different ones. And we're sick. So like, just basically, like, respect us, like we're dealing with chronic illnesses. So we take a longer time to get back. And I wasn't, I think that's great for them to be able to have that boundary and take care of themselves like that. But that's just like,

Scott Benner 48:45
right, go ahead, say what you're gonna say. Unfortunately, that's

Katie Scott 48:49
not how that isn't how it works. Yeah, life works even even with your disability. And I think that's the thing or chronic illness. And that's like, the hardest part about having type one is, the world doesn't stop for you. Yeah. So what does that look like? What does that look like for you? And how are we going to persevere through it? You know, Katie?

Scott Benner 49:08
Katie? Yeah, yeah. So from the from the specifically the business perspective of it. Excuse me, why readjusted my seat? I don't disagree. You have a chronic illness and you're sick right now or whatever, you can't do it. I understand. But you don't have a podcast and you have a hobby.

Katie Scott 49:24
That's so true. Yeah. Yeah, that's true. Nothing

Scott Benner 49:26
wrong with it. Like, no, no, genuinely, right. It's fantastic. But you're not running a business. You're running a hobby. This year alone. There are two stretches of episodes in this year where most people would hear this and go Scott, just take some time off. Like yeah, but there are no there are two stretches in this year where you will listen to me you will have absolutely no idea. I am dying with COVID and one of them and in another one I have. I can't even remember whatever else was wrong

Katie Scott 49:55
with me. Sometimes you just having a bad day. You can't even you know like That's the worst. Sometimes my blood sugar is at 400. And I'm on my period and I have to go into work. I just hate it. Yeah, yeah.

Scott Benner 50:05
And like, but But no, I'm

Katie Scott 50:09
sure you're very nice to the children I am. I'm like, way nicer to my students than I am anyone in the world, I think people are like, not that I'm not a nice person. All the most, I tried to be nice all the time. But right. I just take on a different role of like a very nurturing loving person, you know, especially around my students caring understanding. And with, I guess, with adults, I'm just like, not the same. I'm just a little bit more if

Scott Benner 50:33
you go back in the podcast, and find episodes that are called glucagon stories. I think there's like three or four of them at this point. I recorded them the day my mom was dying. Oh, God, I'm sorry, please, you're very kind. But I and thank you. But I recorded those the day my mom was dying. I knew my mom was gonna die that day. Yeah. And you know what, I recorded those episodes, partly to take my mind off it and partly because there's an they were on the schedule, and it's my responsibility to do it. And you will not listen to those episodes and hear a sad person or a person who's distracted like, because when I was doing that, I was doing my job. And there are four or five episodes that are in this last year, back in 2023. By the time people hear this, where I am like I am COVID fevered, like falling apart.

Katie Scott 51:25
Unfortunately, I can't go in fortunately, actually, I can't teach kids while I'm sick. But it's a little different, though. I'm still doing the back. stuff. What do I kind of the background things? Yeah,

Scott Benner 51:36
I'm just I'm just supporting your point that if you if you have a business, you have a business all of the time.

Katie Scott 51:43
It is like having a child like you can't take a day off from being a parent, you can't really take a day off from being a business owner. And shoot, I'm losing my train of thought again, but oh my gosh, I'm so sorry. I totally just lost that train of thought. Um, give me one second. What were we talking about before?

Scott Benner 52:02
Let me just say words. Yeah. Okay. Responsibility. Business Owner. drawing boundaries. Mm, diabetes. Yep. diabetes, not supportive parents. People don't understand.

Katie Scott 52:18
All right, yep. COVID. Oh, okay. Your mother dying. Okay, perfect. was the one that jogged my memory. They, hey, one of my students, Molly, she told me that when I forget something, I should go back to what I was doing before. And I was thinking about your mother, unfortunately, not fortunately. And unfortunately, with going through, like, hardships like that. And I've recently gone through some, some similar experiences, in a way like you can't, there's definitely like times to grieve, and you should be grieving and you should, your everyone deserves that experience. But also, like, I don't like, the thing about people passing away, that's always just been the most crazy to me is how nothing stops snow. The world doesn't stop. And it keeps going. Like and it will just keep continuing. Like when I was recently one of my students, previous students passed away, like about a month ago, a little under a month ago. And it was it was devastating. And it was shocking. And also having people know in my life that that's what was going on, and how much they still expected me to be the same person. You know, and in a way though, to like, that was hard, but also at the same time, like it is still good to like participate in life during these hard times, even though it's much more difficult to but it is good for you to like, remember that like you're here for a reason and like things are going to keep progressing and moving on. You know,

Scott Benner 54:00
Katie, have you ever seen the Shawshank Redemption? Is that

Katie Scott 54:03
with Morgan Freeman and the one guy that looks like it's Timo

Scott Benner 54:08
is a Bill Murray Tim Robbins. Looks like Bill Murray to you. That's interesting,

Katie Scott 54:11
or was it or is it Tom Hanks? No. Tim Robinson looks like Tom Hanks. Okay, I think or it's, uh, yeah, I don't know you're talking about anyways.

Scott Benner 54:19
Have you seen it? Yes. You remember when he says Get busy living or get busy dying?

Katie Scott 54:24
Yes. Yeah.

Scott Benner 54:25
Have you ever heard somebody say life is for the living? Yes. These are all ways of saying life goes on. Oh, yeah.

Katie Scott 54:32
C'est la vie.

Scott Benner 54:33
Yeah, you have to take a place. I mean, I'm, you're forever changed through the experience, and you'll be a different person moving forward. But your turn is going to come to so you should get to it.

Katie Scott 54:46
And oh, yeah. 1,000% right.

Scott Benner 54:49
It's just sucks it is what it is.

Katie Scott 54:52
I am I am a 1,000% believer in that. Too much positivity can be toxic like toxic positivity, right? And I just really love that you just said it sucks, because it's like, yeah, it sucks. It's nothing good about it. There's really nothing else more to say about it. Other than that it sucks. You know,

Scott Benner 55:08
I used to have this nightmare when I was younger if it's a nightmare now, but it was a dream. And in the dream, there was a cliff. And everybody was lined up to the cliff in my family by age.

Katie Scott 55:24
And oh my god, and

Scott Benner 55:25
I Yeah, and I would, and I would feel how far I was from being the next person to go off the cliff. Oh, my God, that yeah, that's, that's, oh, that's how I, but that's watching too much TV. That's what I think of about, about like, lifespan and dying like, like, you know, when my mom died, I thought, Oh, come next.

Katie Scott 55:48
Damn, that's crazy. Okay, you're

Scott Benner 55:49
too young for that. It doesn't matter to you.

Katie Scott 55:53
But you know, we never we never know, though. Like, it's just kind of always looming. Like it's always a possibility. Yeah, I'm not saying you can't. But you can also think like up today, I might die. Who knows? You can't wake up put that kind of a mindset. Oh, no.

Scott Benner 56:05
You don't want to live like couldn't Minnesota? No, nobody. There's Minnesota Northstar SE. Could that fall on your head and kill you absolutely could. But that's not the point like a plane could drop on your head. But it's probably not going to a North Star. What

Katie Scott 56:17
do you mean a North Star?

Scott Benner 56:18
That's what the hockey team used to be called before they move? Yeah, a hockey player falling on my head. I don't know something could happen. I bet that if they

Katie Scott 56:25
had skates on it, it could be CKT if

Scott Benner 56:28
if a professional hockey player fell on your head from high enough up wearing skates, you would definitely die. Yeah, I

Katie Scott 56:33
definitely would. I just that's just an interesting I just now I have another new fear unlocked.

Scott Benner 56:38
We don't want to plan for that. That's not going to happen. We live our lives. I'm saying if things go about the way we expect my aunts and uncles are dead. Right? Yeah, my mom and my dad are gone. I'm next. So this time is precious. Like I'm done now. Like it's it's fun to philosophize about when you're in your 20s. And you're in your teens. And you know, when you're like 30, and your kids are a few years old, like, that's all well and good. It's real. Now. Like, I'm next. I have as many years as I have left. And I don't know how many there are going to be, I can't spend a lot of time worrying about the rest of this, which is all just academic. In the end. Yeah. While you're living it when you're younger, you're building a morality, and you're building an ethos. But once you're built, and you're now you're coasting at the end, that none of it matters. That's why you see, oh, people just get like, I don't care.

Katie Scott 57:36
Like seriously, right? Well, right. I mean, and another thing too, like, and not not to get too morbid, or anything like that. Part of the living experience of dying, of course. But I think another thing that people don't realize too, is like, how much your impact on this world affects generations? Forever? After you, you know, I mean, they called the I mean, generational trauma is an example. But also there's, there's an opposite to trauma, right? Like, every every impact you make on people are going to then be passed on with other experiences through. Right. And I just think I think that's a really beautiful part about living that even when we pass regardless, if you really realize it or not, like so much of you is still going to be lived on through people.

Scott Benner 58:26
I agree. Absolutely. You know, what I also think about all the time about like, you know, this is very strange, but I think Benjamin Franklin said that I think that a lot. Because Because, because he's been dead. I know you're laughing right on let's find out. Like you

Katie Scott 58:44
just like set it in. There was a pause and I was like, yes, he's

Scott Benner 58:51
gonna find out what he died for you.

Katie Scott 58:52
Okay, thanks for the reminder. By the way, no, I'm sad. Benjamin

Scott Benner 58:56
Franklin died. April 17 1790.

Katie Scott 59:00
Oh my god. That's my sister's birthday.

Scott Benner 59:03
Your sister was born in 1790. No, she was born on April 17. So like, close. Well, that's the day he died. He was born on my wife's birthday, January 17. Oh my gosh, that's weird. Ben Franklin, born in 1706 live till 1790 which in and of itself is insane. He was 84 years old when he died in the 1700s. Right. But this is not my point. My point is, is that he fundamentally changed the world in a number of different ways. Right?

Katie Scott 59:34
And he's still dead. Oh, yeah. No, he's he

Scott Benner 59:38
didn't get to live longer.

Katie Scott 59:40
Like an A list celebrity in our world. He

Scott Benner 59:42
didn't get extra time. Like nothing he still got sick. His body got second he died. And and most people don't think about Ben Franklin. Most people don't. He has. If you go back and look at his writings, most of the colloquialisms that people still live by Today are written down by Benjamin Franklin under a pen name, by the way, he didn't even use his own name. So

Katie Scott 1:00:05
with people not even realizing they're you're being affected by him, everyone. Benjamin Franklin, I love that for him. You've said things

Scott Benner 1:00:13
today that I guarantee you stem from Ben Franklin. Oh, I wouldn't, I would not disagree. And there are going to be people 300 years from now, who are going to say something that stems from something that you and I have done?

Katie Scott 1:00:28
smaller scale, probably? Yeah. Oh, for sure. That's kind of my goal here. Right. I mean, like, I do own a business, but like, I own my business, because I'm passionate about what I do. Right. I'm not like your typical, I don't know, I don't know what a typical business owner would look like, actually, anyways, but like, it's just, I'm really hoping that I can be a positive impact on my students. And that will, like live on through them. Like, I don't need to get Benjamin Franklin level, I really don't need to. But, you know, I think that's an important thing for people to, you know, think about, especially when they're, you know, remember it or grieving or dealing with a loss. It's remembering, like, how much of that person lives on through you. And we'll continue to and you'll be able to do that too. And it's your decision if it's going to be good or bad, honestly. So

Scott Benner 1:01:23
we got way off track here. Hold on. That's my fault. Is it my fault? No, I think it's your No, no, no,

Katie Scott 1:01:27
I very much my fault, too.

Scott Benner 1:01:30
I don't think it matters. I think this is this is what podcast sound like now for young people, by the way. They're like this. Like, all the time, they're incredibly popular. My daughter showed me one the other day of these two guys talking and I was like, I hate this. And she's like, I love it. I'm like, I really, really hate this. And she's like, Why do you hate it? And I said, they're doing a cheap rip off of Howard Stern from 30 years ago. And

Katie Scott 1:01:55
she's like, Who's that? Yes. And

Scott Benner 1:01:57
that's what she said. Your heart broke a little bit. Now she knows who it is. But that's what they're doing. And then I thought, that's what everybody's doing. Like everybody's just doing and Howard Stern was ripping off somebody that he heard on the radio in the 40s when he was a kid, like you don't mean like, like, it's all like, it's all the same that and then you add something to it and add something to it. Hopefully you keep adding to it. There are times when I see stuff just become derivative. And then it's that irritates me, especially when it becomes popular. Because I'm like, oh, people don't know there's better out there than this. But they'll they won't find it. That's okay. I guess.

Katie Scott 1:02:32
Yeah, you know, and you have to just let that go and let people enjoy things for what they are.

Scott Benner 1:02:36
I let it go. I puts it on. I laugh with her. She's like, Come watch this. I sit and watch it with her. I'm there for

Katie Scott 1:02:42
oh, no, it Yeah, you're just you just sound like a dad and I. And I can't judge you too much for that. Because I've been finding that I've been on my way to work. my fiance's truck has Sirius FM, the radio station. And I like flip through like the pop station, like you know, the whatever is popular now. And I spend a majority of my drive like just hating on whatever music is out today.

Scott Benner 1:03:09
I do my best to keep up with whatever my kids say is good. And

Katie Scott 1:03:13
I'm like, Oh, that's terrible. And I like realize I'm like, oh my god, I'm getting old. And I understand you now though, I understand you for being like, there is better stuff out there. Right. Unfortunately, that's, you know, out of our control. But

Scott Benner 1:03:27
sort of back to your your your initial statement, like an hour ago when you said that there's you found diabetes advice in the world. That was terrible. Oh, yeah. But and the problem is that some people won't ever know that what they're listening to is, is either bad advice, or, or could be better or you know, any number of things. It's the thing they found and now there's they're stuck with it now.

Katie Scott 1:03:49
So when I was also diagnosed, it was a really just horrible experience. So I went in, and my primary care doctor that I had had since I was growing up, like really, I came in and I was like, Hey, I think I have type one diabetes is one time I Googled my symptoms, and they were correct, right. The only time she was like, There's no way I was she even weighed me I was like 80 pounds right? I was frail looking, you know, it was like it wasn't like I was so sick. And she like caved in got my blood tested it which was like she begrudgingly did and my agency or not my agency, my blood sugar came up. It was so high I was undetectable. I later found out like it was like almost 700 Right. She freaked out I think because she was I look back now and I realized she was like covering her tracks right? She gave me long term insulin. She didn't give me mealtime and she was like reading the box. is how to do it to like in front of you like to like give me an injection. She then told me she locked me, Gina lock me but I was done just like but after finding out I type one. I just sat in the room. room for four hours by myself after finding out the news. And that's yeah, she just left me alone for four hours waiting for my blood sugar to go down. So I went back and got tested like twice, but I was just like alone. And it still didn't go down. Right? Like I should have been sent to the hospital, honestly. And then I She's like, well, still not going down. I have an appointment for you tomorrow with a dietitian, not an endocrinologist, a dietitian, I just drove home myself. And I found that I type one. And I like was like, it was so weird. And at first I was like, relieved to be like, Okay, I'm gonna like, you know, take a pill and get better. Like, it'll be fine. No, the next day I go to this crazy dietician, thankfully, Spencer could make it with me because they said I should have one person with me. And this dietitian specializes in people who can't read like farmers who can't read that have type two. I'm going through yoga teacher training at the same time. And she's teaching me how to work out in a chair. On this little slice, yeah. And I'm like, What the what? And like, she was, bless her heart. She seemed like a nice woman, but like she was trying to like make the situation light. And she kept being like, you're gonna take a shot and your rump rose and then she like grabbed your button. She's like, I have a huge rump row. And it was like, shoot shoes. Honestly, she's probably very fun to hang out with, but like, it was just so like, crazy. And when I found that I had to like inject as much as I had to like, it was hurt. Like it was just awful. Right? And I don't I don't know. Like why. Why? So I find out yet I find out horrible, life changing news. And like, this lady's just like grabbing her butt in front of me. And she did have a pretty big run, bro. So I'll give her that. Yeah, I can't go to the lake. When I'm like grocery shopping. And I see like a rump roast. I just can't I have a flashback. Take a picture of it and send it to Spencer. So

Scott Benner 1:06:57
I'm, I started to laugh because oh my god, hold on a second what the goal is? No, no, no, because because I've been to physical therapy. And I've seen older people go to physical therapy. And when you're like they work you out a chair is like, Oh God, I know what she's talking about. Because no, I was laughing silently for two minutes. I almost died.

Katie Scott 1:07:20
I'm like, I'm like, I my body is like I'm physically okay. It's my pancreas. I'm

Scott Benner 1:07:24
like God. So anyway, I've watched those people and I thought, Oh, God, this is what Getting old is like, like moving your arm up and down the chair. And people are like, go good. Look at you go Mike. Oh, dear God, that's not okay. So you got me on that. But then as you

Katie Scott 1:07:39
just kept getting worse. Yeah, it's gonna get more worse. I'm just gonna let you know. So

Scott Benner 1:07:43
I felt bad enough that they like somebody was like, I don't know, let's see how much of this insulin we should jam in this girl. Boom, sit here by yourself for four hours. We'll see if it gets better. It was

Katie Scott 1:07:52
horrible. Yeah. And so also my doctor coached me before I left. She said somebody's gonna call you tonight and ask you if you're okay in when they get their labs back. And you need to tell them you're fine. Why would I? Why? I don't know if she was covering I think she made she was covering up some mistakes she made like she It was horrible. So then,

Scott Benner 1:08:11
so I'm doing good. I'm sorry. Keep going. Please. No, it's okay. Yeah,

Katie Scott 1:08:15
I don't know. The whole thing was awful, right. And like, I hear other people's like stories, but like, they got to go to the hospital and get on a pump almost right away. And I was just like, I they're like, here's some novella, and some whatever and have fun, you know, have figured out you know, test strips, whatever. So God bless the dieticians heart. She was she was great. But like, I mean, like, not what I needed. So next time, I went and visited my doctor who had diagnosed me, I said, Hey, I don't want to see this dietician anymore. She's, it's not helpful for me, right? She's like, Oh, well, there's a huge shortage of endocrinologist, and it's likely that you won't get one. So I'll just manage it from now on. So she decided she was going to manage it. My agency was a seven. And that's also likely because I was newly diagnosed I was I think I was still kind of in the honeymoon period, you know, where I was maybe producing a little bit of insulin here and there. She's like, You're doing just whatever you're doing keep doing she told me, which is like, what so I believe her for two years. It was horrible. It was so lonely. I had no idea what I was doing. I felt awful all the time. And I now I've did go to a different ice finally ended up being like by and going to an endocrinologist, which was he was older and he was like, nice, but like, was super like Medtronic forward. And that's a whole story in itself. And now I see my one Endo. I'm gonna give him a shout out. His name is Christopher team Michael at the sharp Dylan and Cox and Elena associates. And he's amazing. So I just wanted to give that a little shout. But um, what's his name again? Christopher T. Martin.

Scott Benner 1:09:52
Alright, Chris. Good job.

Katie Scott 1:09:53
Yeah, Chris. You're great. Yeah, that whole clinic is amazing. Honestly,

Scott Benner 1:09:57
he's not the cold guy though. Well, he's not the guy from Coldplay, though, right?

Katie Scott 1:10:02
I haven't asked. I'll ask him that. Seriously.

Scott Benner 1:10:04
Wouldn't it be amazing if you're, if you're I know was also the lead singer, Coldplay?

Katie Scott 1:10:08
I feel like you know what diabetes is worth it. This is great. I'm Katie, can

Scott Benner 1:10:13
I say something? Can I just make an admittance? I hate Coldplay.

Katie Scott 1:10:18
I like that one song. Of course, sang yellow. Everyone loves that one. I think no, the people have done the, you know, I'm not gonna sing. No, keep going. No, I'm good. No, it's okay. I'm okay. Yeah, no, it was the first No, I went she was really strange. They're like, very much into Medtronic. And they like, got me on this Medtronic. CGM, which was a nightmare. i They say you can put that on by yourself. But like, I, me and Spencer. Were doing it together. And it was just impossible. The steps you had to go to and you still have to check your blood sugar to calibrate, which was what's the point of a CGM, then you know, I hear you there. Like we want it to be more accurate. You

Scott Benner 1:10:56
know, I'm gonna say that they've made a massive improvement with their new CGM. Yeah,

Katie Scott 1:11:01
I believe that no, no, this is okay. And I will say I'm not hating on them now. But like this was in 20 while ago Yeah, no, I understand. Like, and diabetes technology, it improved so quickly, which is great. But it was really strange. They had me like, as soon as I was on it, like, they had this like event at a hotel where they were like, like a speaking event about getting on Medtronic. And they asked me if I would go speak. And I had been on it for like, two weeks maybe. And I got like a they gave me like a Visa gift card for $25. Which was nice. But I it was just I was speaking to like a room of like 67 year olds with type two about why to get on Medtronic CGM. I met someone there who wanted to make me like the face of Medtronic with my aerial like, have me be on like a campaign or something like that with aerial and using me for that. And then, you know, that didn't really work out. And I'm, which is fine. I stopped using that CGM. And a few months go by like maybe six months and I got reached out again to be like, kind of to do stuff with me being an aerialist and a CGM, like Medtronic where I wasn't wearing that CGM. At the time they convinced me to go back on it. I'm not really sure. It it's a little bit of a blur. But it was a little bit of a slap in the face. Because what they meant, which wasn't clear is that they just wanted to use all of it at this point to I was living paycheck to paycheck because of diabetes, and affording paying for their CGM, right. And they wanted to use all of my content and my stories for free. Like, they just wanted to use me for their marketing for free.

Scott Benner 1:12:45
They didn't offer to compensate you for your time or your effort or anything. No, no, that sucks.

Katie Scott 1:12:49
I know. And I was like, this is a little weird that I'm paying to be on your product. And you're using my content for free. You know, and I wouldn't have asked for much, but I was like I just said, I ended up just saying no, at the end of the day. Okay, that's still that's fair. And then that's when I eventually moved on to the next Endo. Good. It's been pretty good sense. Yeah. All right.

Scott Benner 1:13:09
Well, I'm glad you found that endo that you enjoyed. But, and I. So I don't know much about that world of like, like the influencer thing. Like, I don't know, if they're accustomed to those the people they're working with. They're also trying to build a brand. So they look at it as like free publicity for them. But if you weren't, I'm not sure. And I know a person who does this at Medtronic. I could ask actually, but that's interesting.

Katie Scott 1:13:33
Yeah, it just Yeah. I mean, they could have changed that by now to wonder,

Scott Benner 1:13:37
this is years ago, you're saying it was just a little bit of like,

Katie Scott 1:13:41
okay, so you want to use my aerial photos and my story and like, everything that I've actually, like, put time into creating, you know, and you, you know what I mean? Like, if they could have just thrown me a couple 100 bucks, like, I'm not even asking for like, a ton. You weren't trying to get rich off of it? No, no, no, no, I was just like, anything to like, or like, some free product, honestly.

Scott Benner 1:14:04
You know, like, Yeah, I'm pleased. Yeah,

Katie Scott 1:14:07
something I'm like, okay, you know, but, ya know, so that was a little bit weird of an experience. But like I, I do believe that it's gotten much, much better. But I do use Omni pod index comm now. And it's a great combo. It's working really well, for me.

Scott Benner 1:14:21
I'm glad you're enjoying what you're using. I have to ask you, Katie, if there's anything we haven't talked about that we should have?

Katie Scott 1:14:26
I can't think off the top of my head right now. So I'm sure there are. So I guess I'll just have to come back sometime and say them.

Scott Benner 1:14:35
Can I ask you a couple of questions before we end up before we end? What are your goals for your diabetes?

Katie Scott 1:14:41
Okay, okay. This is a great, thank you for asking this question. You're very good at keeping me on track. I think I

Scott Benner 1:14:46
don't know about that. But go ahead.

Katie Scott 1:14:50
So basically, what I'm trying to get into a little bit more, so I did this a little bit before COVID. So I actually was asked to speak at the Capitol During when Minnesota was trying to pass the Alec law, which is an emergency insulin act, where if you can't afford insulin, or if you don't have any, like, you can get on a program to get it right. And it was named after a 26 year old little Alec from Minnesota, who died after getting off his parent's insurance. And I was close in that age. And I had been invited on a podcast previously to talk about diabetes. So they found me through the podcast. And as they called me, like a day before this, like, meeting for to pass the bill to like, ask if I would speak at, like just a little tell my story, it didn't seem like a big deal. And so I wrote my note card, I got my note cards out, I wrote in Purple Magic Marker, I get there, the day of the next day, the Capitol, and it's like, all the news outlets are there. We're in like, the room like the, the like golden, you know what I'm talking about, like the whole conference go right under? Yeah, dude, it was crazy. And I also, when I went to tell my story in front of all those people, they like, I couldn't see over the podium, like my chin was cut off. So the photos of me are hilarious. If you want to look them up, I'm just saying. And that really, like, got me into wanting to advocate more for people with type one, whether it's being a support system for people struggling just with the disease itself, or finding the care they need. Because I've made a lot of mistakes or on the on the way and like I've learned from, you know, the hard way a lot with figuring out how to get the care you need. Or also just inspiring people, it's type one to not let it stop you. And although it will look different for you, you can achieve your dreams. And it's going to have an element to it that a lot of other people don't deal with. But it's so worth it. And I just don't want people to think that their life stops when it comes to type one. And I want them to know, too that like, we deserve better than what's going on at the moment. And I'm you know, I just want to be more of an advocate. So I'm trying to reach out to other podcasts and kind of make a name for myself. I was recently included in a children's book of inspiring people for type one diabetes. And I wrote a little story about you know, my life, but it's like in kid form. And that's really great. And I'm just looking to do more projects like that. And hopefully, you know, impact lives. Okay, then let that live on. I

Scott Benner 1:17:28
think that's wonderful. However, I was wondering what your goals were for your diabetes.

Katie Scott 1:17:32
Oh, my own Oh, okay. So that's, you know, I love that I answered that way because I, my mindset is for my diabetes. I like, maybe don't think about my diabetes as much as I should. But that's because I can't. My goal for my diabetes is to keep my blood sugar and range as much as possible. Don't let me figure out ways to help the spikes of my blood sugar when I get really stressed out. And just feel as healthy and happy as I possibly can with it. You know, managing that.

Scott Benner 1:18:06
What are your like, Where does your low alarm set your high alarm set on your CGM?

Katie Scott 1:18:11
My low alarm is set at like 70. And then my high alarm is it's my highlighter was anything over 200

Scott Benner 1:18:21
ad Katie, are you gonna tell me it's over? 200?

Katie Scott 1:18:25
Is that what you're doing? My? No, because? No, I don't want to sleep. I can't sleep at night when it's going off over 150. So I have it at 200. What

Scott Benner 1:18:34
if we get your blood sugar not to go over? 150 That is a wonderful goal. I

Katie Scott 1:18:38
think you're very, you have a lot of good

Scott Benner 1:18:40
ideas. Have you listened to the Pro Tip series in this podcast? No,

Katie Scott 1:18:44
I haven't. And they should. I will. Did your mom tell you about that? Yeah, no, my mom has. So like I have. I'm on your mom's side. Now. Wait a minute, you know, you should be on my mom's side. She's great. Um, I will say my when I listen to your podcast, I go and I look at things that I'm interested in, like the after dark and stuff like that.

Scott Benner 1:19:04
So everything can't be fun. Katie, sometimes we have to take care of ourselves. I do take care of myself, right? There's a great afterdark coming up this weekend. By the way with jewels. I'm putting out an episode on Saturday because I put out a bunch of content this week for management. So there's some extra stories. Don't miss jewels on after dark. But that's not the point. The point is that you should just listen to the Pro Tip series. It's between Episode 1001 1026 Okay, I will. I promise what is your excellency right now? Will you tell me? Um,

Katie Scott 1:19:34
it's like 7.0 Got it? I'd have to look at my chart. A

Scott Benner 1:19:39
little over seven. How would you like it to be in the low sixes?

Katie Scott 1:19:42
I wouldn't be a fan of that. But that's like, you know, no, that's definitely like something that I'm working towards. Um,

Scott Benner 1:19:49
I'm not asking you to do anything but listen to the Pro Tip series. Okay, that's fine. That's a very good trade. Don't promise me anything. Don't even Nothing. Listen to the Pro Tip series. And then and tell me if six months from now your agency is not in the sixes? Okay, that's all you have to do. It's absolutely

Katie Scott 1:20:05
what you know, people use the discount code that I just gave out. And

Scott Benner 1:20:09
tell me about that as well. Also, there's a code in the in the Pro Tip series, there's a code for free meter. If you want a free meter, go ahead and do that, too. Okay,

Katie Scott 1:20:17
I'll look into it. Is it the contour? Next Gen

Scott Benner 1:20:22
contour? Next Gen. That's correct. Yeah. Free meter.

Katie Scott 1:20:24
So I think I have listened to your podcast.

Scott Benner 1:20:27
I don't think you haven't. But but I'm telling you. Listen, Katie, let me tell you this.

Katie Scott 1:20:32
You're just you're just you're wanting to help. You're being a very good dad right now.

Scott Benner 1:20:35
I'm not I'm telling you. I made a pact. This is May I finish? I'm gonna finish. Okay. Okay, you can finish I'm gonna I'm gonna I'm gonna wrap it up. Okay. I don't think it works for everybody. Meaning that there are some people who might listen to not understand and that's fine. But it's a concept, not a plan. And you listen to it. And then the results are the results based on people's responses to me, are unmatched in the diabetes space. I'm not asking you to eat a certain way. I'm not asking you to make a big change. Right.

Katie Scott 1:21:10
I know. Right? I'm excited to listen to it.

Scott Benner 1:21:13
I think to me, Katie, no,

Katie Scott 1:21:15
I'm not lying. Okay, because race just always sounds like this. Because you're, I'm very dry. I'm a very dry person. And there's not a lot of fluctuate, like, it doesn't flux

Scott Benner 1:21:25
fluctuate, is that the word we're looking for? Because You almost said fluctuate. Yeah, you almost said fluctuate. And I was like, That's not a word for sure.

Katie Scott 1:21:32
I that. I definitely, I think to like being type diagnosed at 22 and getting so much bad advice. It's been hard for me to really branch out and focus on my diabetes when it's anything other than when I'm working with my Endo. Because of honestly, it was like a traumatizing experience having to, you know, really figure it out on my own and all the misinformation, but I will listen to that. And I think partially to like, maybe sound hesitant, because it's, as somebody with type one, it's just hard to think about a lot. You know, you have to sit there and process a lot of things, you

Scott Benner 1:22:10
know, yes, listen to the protests. It'll just work for you. All right,

Katie Scott 1:22:13
I will and I am going to alright, I'll get back to you on it.

Scott Benner 1:22:16
I am going to read you a random review of the podcast right now. This podcast is a game changer. 25 years as a type one diabetic, and only now I am learning some of the basics, Scott brings useful information and presents it in a digestible way. Learning that Pre-Bolus thing doesn't just mean Bolus before you but means timing your insulin so that it's active as carbs become active, took my already decent six and a half a one C down to 5.6. Over the last eight months. I've never met Scott. But after listening to hundreds of episodes and joining him in the Facebook group, I consider him a friend listening to this podcast and applying it has been the best thing I have done for my health since I was diagnosed. That's one of 1000 reviews that all say about the same thing.

Katie Scott 1:22:58
That's honestly so incredible, right?

Scott Benner 1:23:00
And I'm not asking you to do anything, you don't have to pay for it. You don't have to do it on a certain time schedule. Just listen and watch your a one C come down.

Katie Scott 1:23:10
I will. And I think that's just such a wonderful thing that you've been able to create and do for people. No, no, you don't don't that's okay. No, I really just think it's just really amazing. What you've been able to do, you

Scott Benner 1:23:23
know, you're very kind and I agree with you on fantastic. That's not what we're talking about, though, what we're talking about.

Katie Scott 1:23:27
I know, I just you know, I just want to give you a little credit where credit's due, what we're

Scott Benner 1:23:31
talking about is you like doing something you're you've only been at this for a couple of years. You're really young, you haven't even started your life yet really I know you think you have but you pretty much haven't yet, like like you're just you're just getting ramped up, you have an opportunity to set your mindset around diabetes in a way that you don't even have to think about it. It'll just happen because you'll know what to do. And you have no idea how that will change the ripples in your life. So if you being nice to a kid in a dance class might help somebody 200 years from now, then you being nice to yourself right now will help you throughout your entire life that is elastic, and impact things that you don't even know yet. Like try to imagine that if today you learned how to keep your blood sugar not under two, like not think of 200 as high but think of like, I don't know, 160s being high. How that may be one day, 20 years from now, when your kid is doing something crazy. And you look over at Spencer, you can sick of him because you've been looking at him forever. Instead of saying something crazy because your blood sugar's really high or it's been bouncing up and down all day. What if you have a better response in that moment?

Katie Scott 1:24:44
That would be Yeah, that's that's the goal. For sure. That's,

Scott Benner 1:24:48
that's all I'm saying. Yeah,

Katie Scott 1:24:50
I'm going to definitely listen I'm excited to and invest a little bit now like a beautiful paradise Honestly, even after having to look at Spencer for three to yours, you know

Scott Benner 1:25:01
what Ben Franklin would say, Katie? What a penny saved is a penny earned.

Katie Scott 1:25:06
Um, okay, that. That is true. He did say that. I just have to ask you one more question. Before we wrap up is Benjamin Franklin, your Roman Empire?

Scott Benner 1:25:17
I don't know what that means. Because I'm not a kid. You know, you haven't seen the whole like, oh, how often do you think about the Romans

Katie Scott 1:25:23
to do is that is that your Roman Empire?

Scott Benner 1:25:25
I don't know. I don't think about Ben Franklin.

Katie Scott 1:25:27
Every day, Franklin is I think you think of him a lot more than other people do, which I think school when

Scott Benner 1:25:32
his wife passed away, he was traveling. He was he was traveling in the 1700s. He was like in Europe like he was also I want to be clear, apparently, Katie was also a womanizer. But like,

Katie Scott 1:25:43
I know, he liked older women from what I remember.

Scott Benner 1:25:46
And let's keep in mind also that he was like poetically thoughtful in a time where maybe a lot of people hadn't had a chance to be yet. Do you know what I mean? So yes, he sometimes is saying simple things, but try to remember he was one of the first people to think that

Katie Scott 1:26:02
simple thing. Yeah, he's he's the OG right.

Scott Benner 1:26:05
So you go be Ben Franklin for yourself. What are we going to call this episode? Tiny Paul hands?

Katie Scott 1:26:11
Yeah, that would be great. I love that. Are we going to call it I'm gonna take I'm gonna steal that sometime. And Name something you said. It's not tiny, tiny, tiny, tiny palm hands. You

Scott Benner 1:26:21
know you said it. Not me. Right.

Katie Scott 1:26:23
I know. Yeah.

Scott Benner 1:26:24
I love that. Yeah, either. either. I call this one tiny Paul hands or poor Richard. And you don't even know why I would call it Poor Richard, but people who know Ben Franklin will

Katie Scott 1:26:33
understand. Okay, well, I need to read one you'll listen to your podcast series and read more about Benjamin Franklin. Seriously

Scott Benner 1:26:42
KB if you do those things get back if they help you at all get back to me. Okay, let me know if I if they don't help you. I don't want to hear from you again.

Katie Scott 1:26:48
Okay, okay. I won't I won't follow you. Oh block you won't even know. You'll forget about me. Exactly.

Scott Benner 1:26:53
Thank you so much.

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