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Scott Benner 0:00
Hello friends and welcome to episode 1187 of the Juicebox Podcast.

Kim has type one diabetes and three children with alopecia. We chat for a little bit about that, but then quickly get into the idea that Kim has been in a number of different trials, including one for a GLP medication, which led to a long conversation about ozempic and GLP medications. Nothing you hear on the Juicebox Podcast should be considered advice, medical or otherwise, always consult a physician before making any changes to your health care plan. Are you a US resident who has type one diabetes or is the caregiver of someone with type one if you are in a listen up because in less than 10 minutes fewer than 10 minutes maybe about 10 minutes? You can take a survey at T one D exchange.org. complete that survey and you have helped with type one diabetes research It is that easy. And you will not be asked one question that you don't know the answer to T one D exchange.org/juicebox. When you place your first order for ag one with my link you'll get five free travel packs and a free year supply of vitamin D drink ag one.com/juicebox.

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Kim 2:23
My name is Kim. I've been a type one diabetic for almost 31 years. I was originally diagnosed as gestational and switched to type one after delivery when nothing changed.

Scott Benner 2:36
Gestational during your three kids, right?

Kim 2:40
I have three kids it was my first pregnancy your first pregnancy

Scott Benner 2:43
was that a short or long time ago?

Kim 2:47
It was almost 31 years ago.

Scott Benner 2:48
It's a long time in my book one years ago, gestational, one of three kids, any of the kids have type one. They do not know type one for the kids. How about in your family extended.

Kim 3:02
My grandmother had either type two or type one. She was on insulin had many, many problems from her diabetes. But she was diagnosed very late in life, I want to say 60s. So and that was quite a while ago. And I don't know if they actually just assumed it was type two or ever did any kind of testing to see what it was or if there was any testing at that point.

Scott Benner 3:26
Kim, how old are you?

Kim 3:27
I am 56

Scott Benner 3:29
You just freaked out young people when you were like she was old. She was 60. What? Well, she was older back then.

Kim 3:36
That was old though. Yeah, to diagnose.

Scott Benner 3:38
Yeah. Oh, to be done, please. 60 Well, I mean, this has got to be what? I mean, I don't want to like 5080 years or 5060 years ago, something like that. Yeah, yeah. Have you not had that experience Kim of like, being the age you are now I have my hair is dark. So I might get away with it more. But I'm around other people my age. I'm like, Why look much younger than you do? Oh, absolutely. Yeah. And then you go back a generation. Oh my God, just go back one generation. I look at my mom's picture from when she was my age. I don't know, if he told me she was 70 in some of those photos. I might, I might believe you. So I don't know. Also, I have a very easy job. Can I just sit in this chair. So not a lot of stress. Sounds awesome. I'd like to chat. I'm not climbing a building or anything like that. You know, maybe it's a little easier, but I really do think it's the dark hair. Honestly, because without the dark hair then you can kind of see I have crow's feet. You know, like that kind of stuff. But I think I get away with it from like 10 feet.

Kim 4:41
Things are a lot different now though, too. I just I don't know back when I was younger and I thought about being in my 50s I like you said I thought it was ancient. And but now my friends all look young. I just feel it's a different world we're living in and we're not dressing like we're old.

Scott Benner 4:59
You know, that has a lot to do with it too, doesn't it? Oh, yeah, absolutely activities and things like that. Oh, anyway, listen if you want to hear me, sound young you should have been here last night when the Phillies blew their chance to go to the World Series because I sounded like a child while I was screaming in my living room.

Kim 5:18
That's how I am every Sunday during football so I understand what's

Scott Benner 5:20
your what's your football day?

Kim 5:22
Buffalo Bills?

Scott Benner 5:23
Oh my goodness. Look at you. You got raised way up with excitement about that boy. And then

Kim 5:29
until this year, yeah,

Scott Benner 5:31
looks good for a second, didn't it? It sure did.

Kim 5:34
got us excited. What's

Scott Benner 5:35
the vibe in Buffalo? They paid him any any staff.

Kim 5:38
He's still great. It's just we have so many injuries right now. And I don't know they're just falling apart. I'm not sure that

Scott Benner 5:47
sucks. I'm switching right over to the eagles that fell out. As soon as the Phillies game was over. I shut it off. And I thought I'm gonna watch the Eagles game on Sunday. This will be better. There you go. So anyway, slowly. So interestingly enough, I know a little bit more about your family than I usually do before I start you have three children or three children have an autoimmune issue, though, but it's not type one. What is it? Correct. They all have alopecia. When did that come up for them at different ages? Or was it similar for them?

Kim 6:13
Well, my two younger children are twins and they my daughter actually was the first one to show signs of it. And she was probably just turned four or about to turn four. And then her twin brother started with signs of it just a couple of months after that. Wow. And it it was very it was very odd they they both lost most of their hair and then it would come back it was spotty back and forth. My daughter ended up growing hers completely back by the time she started kindergarten. And my son has just remained real patchy until it finally all fell out. And then my daughter's fell out again. Of course Lucky her when she was starting middle school, which was super pleasant. How

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Kim 8:15
was very rough. She wore a wig. And then she reached a point in high school where she just said she's had enough it's too uncomfortable. She took it off. And now she's 27 and she does not wear it.

Scott Benner 8:27
Do you think it bothers her at this point?

Kim 8:31
You know, it's hard for me to tell? I don't think so. She she actually will get into it, I'm sure but she has a laundry list of autoimmune disorders. And honestly, I think maybe the alopecia is just the least of our problems. So she doesn't really care.

Scott Benner 8:45
How many people listening know that phrase? Oh, that's the least of a laundry list. That's the least of my worries. It's something everyone else would freak out about. I'm like, Yeah, I don't even think about that.

Kim 8:56
Yeah, absolutely sucks, but

Scott Benner 8:58
it is. Well, what else does she have going on?

Kim 9:01
She has celiacs she has Crohn's she has Raynaud's. So I'm saying that right. To get away from the autoimmune she also has Chiari and has had two brain surgeries. I don't know that when I'm sorry. It's the brain tissue extends into her spinal cord. So she had to have surgeries to have that taken care of. And the first surgery actually landed her in a wheelchair for a while, but she's now past that she's doing well. So it's been a long road for her. She's had a lot of problems. My

Scott Benner 9:37
gosh, is she I don't know what the word is like, is she thriving now? Is she an adult working in engineering?

Kim 9:42
Absolutely. She Well, she she doesn't she doesn't hold a job. She she has a lot of memory issues from the brain surgeries. So unfortunately, at a young age after getting a college degree, she's on permanent disability. But um, but she Yeah, she's definitely living In normal life, besides the memory issues and things like that would that would just make it difficult for her to

Scott Benner 10:04
hold a job? Long term or short term memory?

Kim 10:08
A little beach mostly short term.

Scott Benner 10:12
That's interesting. Jesus own ball. I'm sorry to hear all that, obviously. But I'm glad she's like, I don't know what the word is out there making the best of her situation obvious, you know? And yep,

Kim 10:21
she actually she has a son. And she I mean, she's doing great.

Scott Benner 10:26
Now. Oh, geez, that's, that's something else. What about the other two?

Kim 10:31
Oh, then my, my oldest son, he developed alopecia in his 20s went through the whole childhood without it. And then I think now he's, he'll be 31 in January. I want to say he was probably about 25 When he started showing the patchy signs of it. And then all three of them right now are completely they have no hair on their bodies whatsoever. Same dad? Yes.

Scott Benner 10:57
Look at you. Look at you. Okay.

Kim 11:01
My high school sweetheart. So

Scott Benner 11:03
he's still with you. You allow him to look at that. He's been around for a while. So how kind you are letting him live in the house? Wonderful. Well, okay, well, that's something else. So you have gestational diabetes, and then you give birth, does the gestational dissipate? Or does it stick around as an they tell you of type two? Well,

Kim 11:23
it's started that when they when I drank the wonderful drink. And they told me that I had gestational, they sent me home on diet control. And they told me to keep in touch with them. And let me know if my numbers changed, or if I had any issues. And the next day, they just, they weren't super high. But I want to say was a while ago, but I'm thinking I was running around 131 40, which is high for being pregnant. And I called them and I told them that and they said, well, we want you to get to the hospital right away, you need to start insulin. And I'll never forget it that was on a Thursday. And my baby shower was supposed to be that Saturday. So I'm freaking out thinking I'm going to be in the hospital for my baby shower. And I go to the hospital, and this is how long I'm going to be there. And they're like, Well, as soon as you can give yourself the shot, you can leave. So I learned how to do the shot within an hour probably, they kept me a day watched me. And then just sent me home, just teaching me how to do the insulin. And at that point, it was NPH and R so it was you know, the old stuff and how to do it, there was no carb counting or sliding scale or anything, really. And they gave me very, very little education on it. But they monitored me very close then because of the diabetes through the rest of the pregnancy. They ended up doing a C section three weeks before he was due. As soon as I delivered, they took me off the insulin, they assumed I didn't need it. And I think I was I remember correctly, I was okay for a little while. But then within a couple of days, I was out of control again. And they finally realized, well, maybe there's something else going on. And they put me back on the insulin but again, with very little education. They they didn't tell me much at all. And then one day, my son was about a month. And the only thing I remember of this incident was waking up in an ambulance. But in the middle of the night, my husband said he woke up and I was sitting up in bed rocking back and forth with my hands clenched against my face. And he said My eyes were wide open. And he had no idea what was going on or what to do, because nobody explained the possibilities of these low blood sugars or anything. So from there, they obviously took me to the hospital got, you know, gave me the glucose got me back in back in working order, and sent me home. But still there it was, it was very strange when I look back at it. And after listening to your podcasts and about all these people's diagnosis, I had no signs of diabetes whatsoever before I was diagnosed as gestational. And I don't think I had a high a one C I never had any problems. So it's all very strange to try and figure it all out and piece it together what happened and how it happened. And but from there, it just I mean, I definitely needed the insulin, they taught me a little bit more about the insulin, but still, I had at least two more episodes like that in the middle of the night. And they never told me about glucagon. I was never really instructed on any of the possibilities of anything happening like that to the meter. I had a meter at the time. Yeah.

Scott Benner 14:36
But was it a thing you used?

Kim 14:38
I did. But you did probably not as much as I should have. But I did wouldn't imagine.

Scott Benner 14:44
I mean, if you don't get any, any education about it. I don't know how you even imagine when to especially in the beginning. It could take you a couple of years to figure it out if nobody's going to tell you anything about it. And it did. Absolutely I would imagine that's something Wow, when did your management change? I mean, when did they first of all, when did they tell you for sure this is type one, not type two.

Kim 15:08
I honestly don't know if they ever actually came out with those words. Or they just kind of told me that I had to start using the insulin. And then as my care has gone on, they've they've used type one. But they never really they never did an A, any tests or anything to see what it was.

Scott Benner 15:26
That's crazy. What's the first transition from your first methods? The regular the mph to the next one? How long did you do that for?

Kim 15:36
It was quite a while. I was very stubborn. And when when pens came out, they made me very nervous. Because when I use the needle and the vial, I could see how much insulin was in there. And I could see how much was going into my body with the pen. I felt like I lost that control. And I couldn't physically see it. And it made me nervous. Interesting. So I fought that for a very long time and stayed on the needles and with the vials of insulin. Can

Scott Benner 16:07
that's a really interesting. I don't imagine it's unique. I bet you a lot of people feel that way. But I mean, that's a leap, isn't it? Oh, they gave me this medical device. One of them I can see the liquid and the other one. I can't. And because I can't see it. I don't trust it.

Kim 16:23
It was very scary to me, because I wasn't sure how much I was actually getting at that point.

Scott Benner 16:28
Even though it said you've dialed up two units.

Kim 16:31
Right? Yeah, yep. That's I had trust issues. I

Scott Benner 16:35
was gonna ask you actually, my next question is, do you have trust issues in your life other than this?

Kim 16:40
I really don't know. It was just something with that. I mean, I guess I just didn't want to be in a situation where my blood sugar's were going out of control. And it was because I didn't get the proper amount of insulin.

Scott Benner 16:51
Because you couldn't verify Correct? Yeah, I by the way, I don't disagree with the idea or the feeling. I mean, but it's a leap because I bet you a lot of people don't think twice about it. Right?

Kim 17:02
Yeah. Yeah. Once I finally did switch to the pens, I kicked myself, I'm like, I can't believe I didn't do this sooner. But it did take me quite a while.

Scott Benner 17:10
And those pens were what back then? Humalog? Yes, yeah. Okay. To using human log. And what was your Basal at that point?

Kim 17:21
I was on Lance. I was on Lantus for a while. I don't know if that was my first. Okay.

Scott Benner 17:26
But yeah, if something honestly don't remember. And do you use the pump now? Or do you still are you still on di

Kim 17:32
I am still on di I'm contemplating going to a pump. But I am currently participating in a study which doesn't allow me to be on a pump. So I have to wait until the study is over. You had

Scott Benner 17:45
to tell me about the study. Sure, a study for

Kim 17:48
once a week Basal insulin. And unfortunately, I didn't get that. But I did get all the benefits of the study, which is all of my supplies, my Dexcom everything for free for a year, I get paid to be in the study, which is another perk, and I get very close care. And since I've been in the study, I brought my a one C down since December from a seven five to a six, four. So even though I'm not getting the study drug, it's been very beneficial to me.

Scott Benner 18:21
So I understand what a double blind study is. Right? But this isn't blinded, you know if you're getting the drug or not.

Kim 18:26
Yes, because they can't not give you your insulin. So

Scott Benner 18:30
that was where I was at on that. I was like, Well, wait, some people get saline? That doesn't make sense. What would that?

Kim 18:36
Yeah, they can't they can't do that. So you know, you know, right up front of you're getting it or not, but they just they ended up changing the insulin that I was on. I was on Novolog and Basal are at the time, and now I'm on Nov or I'm sorry, homologue and trulicity. So

Scott Benner 18:53
they put you on the trulicity. And that's kind of the what they're studying against and then correct and they're shooting and there's how often you shoot trulicity though.

Kim 19:01
That's true. Mostly me. Maybe I misspoke. I'm sorry. Hold on one second, to Ciba. I'm sorry, recibo. Yeah, I'm sorry. They call it something else. They call it degludec.

Scott Benner 19:13
Yes, yes. I imagine that's what they call it. I gotcha. So yes. So what do you shoot that every how often?

Kim 19:20
Once a day, it's that's my basil. That's

Scott Benner 19:22
still your basil once a day, but they're saying we have a magic one you'll shoot once a week. Correct. And then they gave it to somebody, not you? Yes. Were you pissed about that?

Kim 19:33
Um, at first I was but then when I saw the benefits that I was getting from this and how it was really helping me. I don't care anymore.

Scott Benner 19:39
Yeah, I mean, you're getting paid. You're getting a free CGM. How long does How long is the study go for? A little over a year? How long has it been so far?

Kim 19:46
I started in December. So it'll go to I think it's till the beginning of February. It'll be over a few more months. Okay. This is actually the second study that I've done and the first one was for ozempic to see if ozempic work for type one. ones they were trying to get it approved. That one I was lucky enough and I got the ozempic. So that was nice. Oh,

Scott Benner 20:05
Kim, let's

Kim 20:06
talk about that for a second. Yeah, it's very similar to your situation now.

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Kim 23:10
From May of 2021 until November, they it was supposed to be longer but they pulled me off because I lost too much weight so they had to pull me off to gain it back. I lost 40 pounds and I've gained five back after almost two years. So

Scott Benner 23:31
can I tell you something? I just learned something about myself. I don't think I enjoyed being fat. I don't that almost made me cry. Like oh wow.

Kim 23:40
I it was it did absolutely nothing for my blood sugar's but just that changed my entire life because now it gave me more energy. I exercise daily. I've been able to keep the weight off. I just feel better about myself. It's it's been wonderful.

Scott Benner 23:56
You a small person too. I saw you for a minute when we were starting. You told

Kim 24:00
me actually took a pic. We actually took a picture together a couple months ago. It's right. Okay. All right. So the type one thing but I'm only five foot one. So I'm pretty sure

Scott Benner 24:11
Kim I know how tall you are. But the people listening don't know. So I was trying to be sorry. Yes, I'm five foot one two years. Now they're like he knows the answers to some of the questions he's asking. Trying to get the information to you blowing your cover. Well, you lost 40 pounds. At five one. Are you willing to tell me what you weigh now and what you weighed then?

Kim 24:34
I was 170 I went down. Well, I went down to 129. And now I'm 135 Wow.

Scott Benner 24:40
That's I'm very happy for you. It's wonderful. I'm it's been great. I'm right at the 40 pound mark right now.

Kim 24:47
It just feels amazing, doesn't it? It's insane.

Scott Benner 24:51
How much better my life is? Yeah, yeah. I don't even know another way to really say it other than you'll have like gi side effects from it at some point. I mean, not everybody, maybe, but I did. I've had a couple of moments where I was like, I don't think this is what everybody would want. But who cares? Yeah, I mean, like, Are you kidding me? Like, I just have to live through this little side effect for six weeks. And then it passes. Like I had pretty I had heartburn for a while in the beginning. I had that feeling for a while that when you ate the food felt like it stopped in the middle of your chest. Did you ever have that one? Yes, yes. Oh, yeah. That's not what was happening. By the way. It was just a feel. So I was like, Well, this is uncomfortable, and I don't care. So you know, because I'm going to wake up tomorrow. I've had experiences on ozempic Kim, like, there was this one night, a couple of weeks ago, my wife went away for business. And she was gone for like two days. And I was like, all by myself. And you know, like, a lot of guys might get hookers or Coke or something. I got. I got sort of a that was. That was me going crazy. I was like, I'm gonna get some Mango Sorbet. feel like an idiot? Are

Kim 26:03
you able to eat it? Well, yeah, a whole serving of something well, so

Scott Benner 26:07
I could. And not only that, I just think the whole point of it. I hadn't had something like that. And so long, I sat down, I was watching something at the end of the night, and I just kept eating the sorbet. i It's good. I love it. And it's one of the only things I'm on we go V, but it's ozempic. Yep. And if people don't understand that, it's the same molecule rebranded for different insurance reasons. There are things I can eat without feeling too full. And like liquidity, like that the sorbet I can write that I can eat without feeling full. And so this is like and it still tastes sweet to me. And a lot of things don't taste overly sweet anymore. Anyway, I started eating it. And I just don't stop. I was like, I remember being fat and loving sorbet. And I ate the whole thing in one night. And I'm telling you this because I woke up the next day, I was a pound lighter than I was the day before.

Kim 26:57
Really nice. And I just thought you should eat more sorbet. Well,

Scott Benner 27:01
I considered lying to myself and saying that. But moreover, I just think that I was on my way to losing weight that day anyway, and right eating that didn't impede it. And it was just crazy. Because if I would have eaten that, prior to this medication, I 100% would have woken up like heavier or bloated or something the next day, right. But to your point, and I do want to hear about your experience as well. My body being smaller, is a significant psychological uptick for me, like I now find myself, I left the room the other day, I was with Arden. And I left the room and I had to go out and do some things. She was going to be by yourself for a few hours. And I was wearing I don't know, like a black pullover. And actually, it was a cozy Earth, buddy, you guys could save 40% cozier.com on your entire order. If you use the offer code juice box at checkout, I was wearing a black pullover, and some pants and I stood there and I thought this doesn't look like me. I was in front of a full length mirror which I don't find myself very frequently. And I was like, Oh my gosh, I don't recognize this as my body. And then I went out into public actually were I had another experience where you were I saw you I was walking around that that giant hotels so big, you know, I just kept seeing people and thinking, Oh, I look like everyone else now. Like that, that that feeling like I don't I'm not different. Like Like, I just I'm blending in in the crowd. It's not an enduring feeling. It hasn't bothered me. It's not something I even thought about in the past. But it was something I recognize that I just I physically look different, but the way I feel isn't saying I sleep better. I used to have I couldn't eat after a certain time at night because I'd have terrible heartburn overnight. I was taking stuff for heartburn. That's completely gone now. The heartburn that I even experienced in the beginning with the wheat govi I don't even know if I can blame the wheat over here but it was just my body like adjusting to like because it was already a like a dumpster fire as far as that goes. I mean I'm losing weight. I don't look like it's my my skin's shrinking. So I'm not like crazy flabby anywhere, anything like that. Energies much different mental energies, different physical energies different.

Kim 29:21
Know,

Scott Benner 29:22
if I grew a horn tomorrow, I would cut it off and just go Oh, well.

Kim 29:27
Yep, I totally agree. And there's there's still times at this point. Even though it's been a while for me. If I'm outside someplace and I walked by a store window and I catch a glimpse of myself. I'm like, Who is that? It's still it's still doesn't sink in that had happened. I'm

Scott Benner 29:44
doing a talk in Austin this weekend. We're doing this like nine or I think it's 9:30am or 10am till like 330 like and we're just gonna have this. There's 350 People got tickets and people were terrific from the pod caste. And it's a free event there'll be 350 people there, Jenny and I are just going to sit up on stage and talk like it's going to be very long form and conversational not like if anybody's ever been to these things. Usually someone stands up on a stage or lectern and kind of gives you a presentation. Like we're not doing that. It's going to be like this kind of very comfortable conversation anyway, when we're setting up what it was going to look like I said to the person running it, I'd like to sit in the chair and talk like like kind of fireside he like just put Jenny nine chairs next to each other. The person who, who's running the whole thing, Jen, a really lovely person named Jenna. I said, Yeah, I want to sit down. And I shared with Jenna later, that is not a thing I would have asked her for last year, I would not have been comfortable seated in front of people because the way my body would have folded. And I wouldn't have been comfortable, because my stomach would have like caused pressure. And it would have made it harder for me to talk if I was sitting down. And I was like, I'm like I'm gonna sit down. And I know that seems like a really small weird thing. But I'm excited that I'll be able to sit in front of people and I won't look at maths. And it won't impact me physically, either. So anyway,

Kim 31:12
it does a lot for you. It's just it's a great feeling. And it's funny because I knew I was overweight, but I always in my mind felt like, oh, I carry it. Okay, I'm okay. And when I look back on those pictures, I'm shocked now.

Scott Benner 31:28
It's funny because people at first though, like, you're so thin, and I'm not. I'm just thinner than they're used to seeing me. Like, like, I'm not like, you don't see my bones sticking out anywhere or anything like that. I actually heard Anthony Anderson was on the show. At one point. He's an actor who has like, type two diabetes. And I don't know, I don't know his situation. I don't know how he's losing weight, but he's lost weight over the years. Anyway, I saw a picture on social media the other day where his kind of shins and his ankles were exposed. And someone jumped into his comments and said, Yo, man, your ankles are really thin. And he said, Actually, they're not. That's the size. They've always been there just not surrounded by a bunch of fat and water anymore. Wow. And I thought he's right. Like, he's absolutely right. He doesn't look then. Like he just he looks. I think the way we're supposed to look.

Kim 32:19
Right? Yeah. No, I totally agree. It didn't touch your blood sugar though. No, it didn't do anything for my blood sugar. It's so crazy. Some people some people with type one do get results from it. I did not. Okay.

Scott Benner 32:33
I think that's valid. There's I don't want to give somebody's details way. But there's a girl whose mother I'm aware of, and maybe she's I don't even want to give her like she's like 1315 in that range right there. Right. And it worked for her for weight and for blood sugar to the point where there are days she's like, it feels like they're honeymooning again, that's great, and having to adjust insulin down. And I have to tell you that this last weekend, I was having a conversation with Arden's endocrinologist, and will Arden and I were both having a Congress I don't want to make it sound like I call Arden's doctors without art. We were we were having a conversation. And she said, You know, when you come home from college, I'm gonna look into putting you on ozempic. She's like, because we're seeing this is really me talking out of school. So everybody be real aware of that. But she said, I'm starting to see not just about like insulin, you know what they call it insulin resistance. But Arden uses a little more insulin than you might expect for her weight. Right. And for what she eats. On top of that they're seeing some impacts for hormone hormonal impacts for people on it as well. Oh, really? Yeah. So I'm gonna just do this right now with the Google machine. And I just Googled female hormone GLP one. And if you're interested, you should look into it. Like, does GLP one affect estrogen? And, you know, so they're just starting to see this stuff, you know, as people are using it longer. So she's like, you know, let's maybe we should give that a try for you. But I mean, if if Arden's insulin use went down, 20% even on this, I would think that was valuable for Absolutely, yeah. So that would be great. Because I'm going to assume then it's not not so much about the insulin, but about like spikes at meals and things like that. Maybe they'd be less or no less insulin at a meal time, which might, you know, lead to fewer lows and maybe more stability and stuff like that. Right. So I'm interested to see what all comes from this because they they were doing a they were doing studies on GLP one and kidney disease, and the initial data was so overwhelmingly positive. They canceled the study because they said we don't need to keep doing this. This just helps. That's insane. So

Kim 35:03
that's really interesting kidney

Scott Benner 35:05
benefits of GLP. One ra include reduction in mackerel, but a real wild, I don't know what that word is, which may be driven in part by reductions in blood pressure and a one C with age. So there's so basically what I think we're finding, because they're also saying that people on GLP ones are having fewer heart attacks. So I don't think this is like, hard to understand. But when your body's not carrying around all that extra weight, and all of the metabolic problems that come along with that. Turns out other systems work better too. So, and I don't look at our next person who needs to lose weight, by the way, I'm not saying that. But but but it's just very interesting. So

Kim 35:49
yeah, it sounds like there's a lot of benefits to it that I wasn't even aware of at the time. Yeah,

Scott Benner 35:53
right. And even stuff that but it worked for you like so what did it do for you mostly? How'd you lose the weight?

Kim 35:59
I couldn't eat anything. The one story that stands out in my mind as I went through the entire summer, and I was in bed by eight o'clock at night, or even before that, because I was exhausted. I was eating next to nothing. There was one day where I was feeling pretty good. And I was craving this sounds gross to me now. But I was craving a meatloaf sandwich with gravy and french fries. And I just wanted to go out for that. So my husband and I went out for dinner, I ordered that. I looked at it. I think I took one bite. That was it. I took it home with me. I got three dinners three lunches out of it and threw the rest of it out because there was still leftovers from it. And

Scott Benner 36:42
you wouldn't order it again. Right? It seems this taste, you know? Yep. Yep, I have that too. Yeah, there's just food I look at. And I'm like, I don't, I don't want to do that. Like that seems disgusting to me. Now. I tried a number of things along the years, like I've talked about on here, I completely eliminated oils from my life, except for I'll cook a little bit with like cold, like cold pressed olive oil. Only I make popcorn with coconut oil, but I don't really eat very much of it. It's for other people. So there's no like processed oil in the house. Right? I won't eat deep fried things anymore. And like you make that change to your life, you're like, well, this will help. And you know, it's a good change, right? And it is, but then it didn't do anything. Like I made that big elimination in my life. And it's not like I lost 20 pounds or something. I was like, come on, like I don't drink. I don't drink sugar. I don't like you don't I mean, like I do most of the things you're supposed to do. And the only thing that makes sense to me at this point is that my body has a GLP deficiency, maybe, maybe no different than people who have a thyroid deficiency, right? Like you need a thyroid stimulating hormone to help you along if you have hypothyroidism. I don't know that I just don't think I have enough GLP like or whatever that and I'm not a scientist, I don't know, I'm just telling you, I put this stuff in, I started losing weight immediately. And you're that's not even supposed to happen. Like they'll tell you like it could take a month for you to start losing weight, like you're not even on a therapeutic dose when you first start. They're just trying to get your body accustomed to it and bring your body along and stuff like that. I was a week into it. I lost four pounds. That's awesome. Yeah. And I just kept losing weight slowly along the way. I've been at it for like a long time now. Like I've been at like nine months now. But it teaches you a lot about like being patient and having like long term views of things. You know, like a pound a week used to seem to me like that's ridiculous. I have this much weight to lose. If I lose a pound a week, it's going to take me you know, 20 weeks to lose 20 pounds like that's, and then the next week you'd gain two pounds or you wouldn't lose, you're like, Oh, this is never gonna happen. But there's a consistency about this that made me hopeful.

Kim 38:53
If that makes when I was on the ozempic there was a point where I was losing a half a pound a day. The other thing though with me, I wasn't drinking any alcohol whatsoever. I know you're not a drinker. Not a heavy drinker, but I would go out I would have a couple of drinks. I couldn't even look at alcohol. It would make me sick to even think

Scott Benner 39:11
about it. Yeah, yeah, I don't I can't drink. I didn't drink much soda in my life. But I I don't. It's not good. Now, like drinking the carbonation was bad for me, but it so it's slowing down for people to understand it slows down your digestion. I'm gonna eventually have somebody on the show who's knowledgeable about the science behind it to talk about it but it slows down your digestion which decreases your insulin usage. And even for people who don't have diabetes, that's a big deal. You know that insulin comes in and you know it's storing stuff is fat and that's not happening anymore. So my digestion slower. I mean, you're not hungry because your stomachs full. But also, it tells your brain you're not hungry to I don't know another way to explain that other than I'm not hungry. In my head or physically in my stomach, so much so, and this is like, I'm not going to tell the story, but I had to go unexpectedly. Go visit art in a college. So, I lived my whole day, one day on a Friday, I got up at eight o'clock I did whatever I did, I eat whatever I don't remember anymore. At midnight, I was in bed thinking I was gonna go to sleep. And the next thing I know, I'm buying a plane ticket, and I'm driving to the airport at four o'clock in the morning. And at 7am After taking a short nap in the airport, and I must have looked homeless, I got up I got on a plane at seven, I went back to sleep on the plane. I woke up when the plane landed at 1030. I got into a car I drove to her Arden was I spent hours and hours and hours with her. And it was I think around two o'clock in the afternoon. On Saturday. I not I'd only slept three hours between 8am Friday morning and two o'clock in the afternoon on Saturday, I thought I was gonna pass out. I was at the end of like being able to just talk through this. But we didn't have access to food yet. And I said to Arden I was like I have to eat anything. And I just like we were in a gas station basically. And I bought like a bag of like candy like hard, like sugary candy. I thought maybe the sugar will like give me enough of a jolt that we can get to where we're going. And I can eat something for real. So I had a little bit of that candy there. And I drank some diet soda with caffeine and to try to like literally to try to keep me awake enough to get back to where I was going. And then we got back to where we were going. Had a very little bit of food. And then I went to sleep, slept all night long. Woke up at eight o'clock. Let Arden sleep two more hours, got together at noon on Sunday, and headed out and got a turkey sandwich. Right. So you're now hearing that I had a handful of candy between probably 8pm Friday or 6pm. Friday and 2pm on Sunday. I was even woozy at one point because I wasn't taking into nutrition. But you know what? I wasn't? You weren't hungry? Never hungry that entire time. Yeah,

Kim 42:12
it's crazy. It's absolutely crazy. Like,

Scott Benner 42:16
that's the only way I can explain it is to tell that story. I never once thought I I'm hungry, I should eat something. Or some people hear that and go that's dangerous. It's not dangerous. You just eat like, you know, it's not that you can't eat. It's just that you don't you're not prompted to eat. Right? It's really wonderful. Did you have what they call the food noise in your head prior to the ozempic? I'm not sure what that is. People describe it as they wake up in the morning. And they are immediately thinking about what they're gonna have for breakfast. And then as soon as breakfast is over, or even while they're making breakfast, they start thinking about lunch. They're always thinking about food. Did you have that?

Kim 42:54
Not really. I don't think from the point that you're saying it. I would sometimes get like that just because of my insulin schedule. I've always been well, I have to eat at this time because I have to do insulin, right. And that that part was a little odd being on the ozempic too, because I would forget to eat at times. And then I would be nervous because it's been hours since I've had any insulin but also been hours since I've had any food. And that was also a big adjustment.

Scott Benner 43:24
Yeah. How long did it take you to figure out how to basically you're fasting for longer gaps of time. I'm assuming you had to adjust your insulin for that. And you were losing weight too.

Kim 43:33
Yes. Yep. So I definitely I shouldn't say that it didn't help my blood sugar's because it probably did lower my insulin intake, which is beneficial, like you said, but I just didn't feel like my agency really dropped it all from it.

Scott Benner 43:48
But now but when once you got on the you were in a you're in a study, your a one C came down the way it did during the study, but why do you think it

Kim 43:59
came down? No, my a one sees coming down in the second study that I'm on. Yeah, no,

Scott Benner 44:03
that's what I mean not to do that not to do with those epic. Why do you think it's coming down now?

Kim 44:07
Honestly, I think a lot of it has to just do with the fact that I'm being monitored so closely. There's a lot more accountability for me with this. And the insulin is different. I was on Joseba in the past, and my my insulin stuck or my I'm sorry, my insurance company stopped covering it. And they switched me to basic lar. And I just never felt that I got the same results from it. So I don't know if it's because I'm back on the SIBO or if it's I account a lot of it to the the accountability and the close monitoring in the beginning of the study I was seeing every week and it just made a very big difference for me by

Scott Benner 44:51
close monitoring Do you are you saying I know people are looking so I do a better job on purpose.

Kim 44:57
Probably partly because of that and also Because of from the beginning, seeing my a one C drop and actually, like just really enjoying that, and being very proud of that, and I wanted to make it go lower and lower and lower. So I was trying harder on my own too.

Scott Benner 45:12
I think that's a big part of it. Honestly, it's just the motivation, the motivation to actually Pre-Bolus Your meals and when you get hired to like, oh, no, I'm not gonna do that. I'm gonna stop it. You know, like, that kind of stuff is small and look at what a big difference is like in the sevens like I think you'd agree Kim like a mid sevens a one sees not. You weren't thrilled with that, I would imagine. No, right? Absolutely not. Yeah. And but it was just the way life went. And this is how it felt. Yeah,

Kim 45:39
yeah. Yeah. But the six the six, four, I'm quite happy with oh, I

Scott Benner 45:44
would imagine. Yeah, of course. And congratulations. I know. You're very welcome. I think that a lot of people report that they use the podcast in the same way. As like, the they use it to remind themselves to do the things they need to do. Absolutely. Yeah. So it's, I think that, that in general is very valuable, like something to be not like you're being graded. And not like somebody's coming along to check on you. But just a quiet moment in your mind where, you know, like, I got to do this thing. I'm gonna do it. And, you know, I don't know how to talk about that. Exactly. It's a responsibility to something but not something that holds you hostage and makes you feel like you failed if you don't do it. Does that make sense? For

Kim 46:29
me, it's nice. What I something I get out of the group is just having more people around me going through the same thing and hearing what they're doing that's making a difference. I don't really know any diabetics, not a couple of type twos. I don't think at this point. I know any type ones. And I don't have anybody to say, oh, yeah, that happened to me. This is what I did. Or that happened to me. What did you do? So it's nice to have the podcast and listening to it and hearing what people do in different situations? Oh,

Scott Benner 47:02
yeah, I just I believe that it's, it's one of the unintended benefits of the show. Like I didn't, I didn't reach out, I didn't start it thinking, Oh, well, people will be able to hear other people. And that'll make them feel like, oh, I can do this too. And like, I didn't know any of that was gonna happen. That's just stuff that got reported back to me by listeners. And that makes sense. Now, as I look back, but I just didn't, I didn't do it on purpose, you know, so? Well, it's worked. Yeah, yes. I'll tell you there are very few times when you think, like, I don't, I don't know how other people's minds work. I'm competitive. And I, and I'm very, like, I'm a hard working competitive person, like, so if I make one, I want to make two, if I make two, I want to make four. Like I keep going like that. And so because of that, there are often times you don't feel accomplished, because you make 1000, you want 2000, you know, then suddenly, you're in the situation where I'm at now where like, there's like a half a million downloads a month. And I'm like, I wonder if we could get to a million, but an odd thought to have, instead of just going a half a million, that's a lot. Every once in a while, I have a moment where I'm like, oh, yeah, I can see this as going well. And I have to say, I spoke earlier about speaking in Austin this weekend, that JDRF and Austin came to me. And they were like, we do these things, like these kind of like little office meetings that you know, the local chapter, and somebody comes in and speaks. And she's like, sometimes we get 3040 People come to listen to the speaker, would you like to come down and give like one of these little talks? And I was like, Hey, I would love to do that. And so we're chatting a little bit. And I said, so just the people and you just tell the people in your chapter, she goes, Well, you could tell the people on your Facebook group and I went, Oh, if you do that, we're not going to fit in that room you're talking about? At first I think she was sort of like, okay, buddy. I'm sure you and your ego think that you know, and so I said, No, I'm like you're gonna have I think if I'll do that, I said, but if you tell me to make it public, you're going to need to be ready with a bigger space. And she goes, how big I said, I'm gonna guess 500 people, and she goes, are type one nation events don't get that many. And I was like, Have you ever had me at one of your type one nation events? And she goes, No. And I said, Well, then I'm gonna tell you 500 So she comes back like a week later and says, I found a space I can get it holds 350 people and that's gonna disappoint some people. I'm like, but that's okay. And she's like, Okay, well, I'm gonna get the ticketing set up and she sets it all up and everything. And she's like, you can make the link public now. And I said, Okay, I said, it's going to be full in about a day. And there I think she almost laughed at me. And I gave she gave me the link up with the link online. And about 36 hours later, the 350 seats were taken. Oh, that's great. How she felt aside by it is one thing, but it was a moment for me where I actually went, Oh, I'm doing a good job. Like making this podcast like, instead of just, I didn't hear 350 and think, Well, we probably could have got 700 I'm not lying. I did think we could get But, but I didn't like it didn't burden me. I felt good about it.

Kim 50:04
Well, and it also wasn't your fault. The biggest room she could get was 350. So,

Scott Benner 50:08
Kim, I like the way you're thinking. Yeah, right. Yeah, I could have filled that space. You could have pushed that higher. Absolutely. But but it's just it's one of those. It's just a very nice moment where I actually felt accomplished. And not like, okay, there's a number like, keep going. It was it was nice for me, because I don't get that very frequently. Because the way I'm wired, the way you know, the way I'm usually wired is just usually, that's good more. And you

Kim 50:34
think is that you're not feeling accomplished? Or do you just think it's, you know, you can do more, and you want to keep doing more? Well, yeah, that makes sense. I mean, yeah, I mean, that is a positive.

Scott Benner 50:45
I don't think of it as a negative, I'm just telling you, like, I'm the, like, I'm well suited for a thing that needs to be in growth mode constantly. Because it I don't find it pressuring. I like it. So the podcast is social media. The Facebook group is, is social media, it's those are things that normally don't ever work. Like, I don't talk about this very frequently. But I think there's something like 4 million parked podcasts, meaning like 404 million people have registered a podcast name, only, like, I don't know what it is exactly, like only like 800. And some 1000 of them are even active and active can mean as few as one episode a month of those active podcasts, 86% of them 86% of these 800 and some 1000 podcasts, only get 130 some downloads per episode. So there's really only 14% of podcasts that are doing better than 136 downloads, like historically, for an episode, like they make an episode of content pull up in 130 people here. And that is not the case for this podcast, I actually fall in the 96th percentile, right around there. That means that 4% of the active podcast do better than me. And that and that's it. And I'm in a niche. So like, I'm not just in a niche, I'm in a niche of a niche. I'm not even really diabetes, I'm type one like you don't I mean, like it's a Nishi thing, right? And I look at that, and I think I could probably get in the 97th percentile. Weird thought, there's nothing wrong with that. And but it stems from this, like you're getting the benefit of my aggressive nature, in that. That's not my motivation. My motivation is I hear people help by the podcast. And I see the numbers. And I think, Well, that's nice, but there are far more people who have type one diabetes, we're not, we're not finding those people. And that to me, like if you could get to a million, like, by the way, a million downloads a month doesn't mean a million people listened. It could mean you know, it could mean that a few a lesser number of people listen to 10 episodes a month, or something like that. And so like, you just want to find those people. Like you know, there's there's part of me that if I didn't have the podcast, I might take the Pro Tip series on on thumb drives and walk around the country like Johnny Appleseed, throwing them at people with insulin. Because I think that would actually be helpful. I just don't know how to reach them. Like, like that. Because there's plenty of people you see it in the in their Facebook group all the time. Somebody will say, Oh, my God, like look at my variability, or my agency is down from this to this. And I've been in this group for a year. And I don't know why I didn't listen to the podcast. And I listened to this series like that. So somebody just told me the other day, I listen to bold beginnings and the defining diabetes stuff. My agency came down three points. And I was like, Yeah, cool. That's good. I know. You should all go

Kim 53:47
well, there's people. There's people in the Facebook group that don't listen to the

Scott Benner 53:50
podcast. Oh, Kim, over overwhelmingly.

Kim 53:54
I always thought they kind of went hand in hand. And I actually found the Facebook group because I was listening to the podcast, but I'm just I'm surprised by that.

Scott Benner 54:02
I would trust me. I used to be surprised by it too. And the word surprise, you could also use the word really irritated. But

Kim 54:10
I guess maybe some people don't have the time for it. But I'm

Scott Benner 54:15
beyond understanding it. But I can tell you this. There are 42,000 people in the podcast in the podcast Facebook group, and an overwhelming majority of them are actually active participants in the Facebook group, which is also not common. A lot of those Facebook groups have like big numbers. But when you go look at their the number of like, comments, new posts that they get, they'll they'll get like 10 new posts a week or something. Like you'll see a group that's like we have 80,000 members and you look in the group has 10 posts this week. My group does 85 to 125 posts a day. Absolutely. Yes. Yeah. And so those people are actually all active, if every one of those 42,000 people right now went and subscribed to the podcast. and downloaded just the Pro Tip series. I'd be the biggest podcaster in the world. Like no kidding. That's how many people are in the Facebook group not listening to the podcast. And by the way that it's not, not in the world, like, you know, I don't know, Joe Rogan's got millions and millions of people. Like, I don't mean that I just mean that like by downloads, I would catapult into the 99th percentile. Oh, we

Kim 55:24
have to work on that. Scott, we have to push that him.

Scott Benner 55:26
I've done everything I can think to do. And I've seen your recent posts, yes, what I've learned is you can lead a horse to water, but you can't make it drink water. So I don't know which one of those pronunciations was closer to being correct. You can't make people even in the face of their own good health, you can't make them do something they don't want to do.

Kim 55:51
Well, it's funny as I say that, because I've been listening, probably for about a year and a half now. And I have yet to listen to any of the educational podcasts, any of the educational ones, the bold beginnings or anything? I liked the interviews. Yeah, actually. So and that's where I go podcast

Scott Benner 56:09
people like the interviews, more of the Facebook, people like the management stuff better. Oh, that makes sense. Yeah. And it's not, it's not dollar for dollar. But I think that if you find yourself on Facebook, you're looking for help. You're like, Oh, my God, my kid or me, or somebody's got diabetes. And this is not going well. Let me see if I can go find some people who know, they get into the group, they start hearing things that are helpful, and they fine tune something, it gets a little better. If you were freaked out, because you're 40 years old, you've had diabetes for 20 years, you're a onesies, like nine, you've never been able to do anything about it. You go to the Facebook group, you hear a couple things, you put them into action, all of a sudden, your a one C seven, you'd be surprised how many people are just like, Oh, good, well, good enough. Really. Yeah, they don't have the bandwidth maybe or the time or whatever to like, let me dig dig in more. And I also think a lot of people don't even believe it's possible to have a low six or high five a one say that could be Yeah, so they get some benefit. And they're like, good enough. That's it, I did it. And I'm telling you, I think you take the bold, bold beginnings, or, you know, in the when your very first diagnosed and listen to it, or you go to the Pro Tip series, and just listen to those 26 episodes, I would be surprised if you're a one sees not in the low sixes after listening to 26 episodes of the prototype series. That's it, like I just think it would be, or you at least have an incredible opportunity for it to be probably 20 hours worth of listening. And it's funny because I have like I have people who helped me with the Facebook group. Like if you if you got Isabel on here, which by the way, she's never coming on here. But if she does not because I won't let her on. She doesn't want to do it. But if I let her on here, let her on here. If she let herself come on here, she'd start complaining, Why won't people take better care of themselves, all you have to do is listen to this, like that kind of thing. And I know her feeling. And I used to have it too. But now I just know I keep serving the content, and we grab the ones we can grab. And those people are helped. And the rest of them are not my responsibility and I can't make them do better for themselves. That's

Kim 58:18
great, too. So like you said, you can only do so much. It's

Scott Benner 58:23
human nature, like it's fine. Like I'm not coming down on them even to be I'm genuinely about that. I'm not saying they're doing something wrong. I'm just saying this is just it's humanity. It's the way it works. So I mean, look at look at me even I was overweight, right? And I did the same thing you did. I used to say I carry it well, or people can't tell. And that was actually true. I don't know if you've ever heard me say this, Kim. But when I went to the doctor finally so what happens to Arden went away to college. And I said to Kelly, if we have to take care of ourselves, like we did it, the kids are their adults, like we're gonna die. Like we need to do something. We've been killing ourselves to feed them and pay them and pay for them. Like we got to do something for ourselves. So I went to Arden's endocrinologist, to Addy, who you've heard people have heard in the finding thyroid series, and if you haven't, you're really missing something. But I went to her and I said, I don't know what's wrong with me. I'm like, but I don't eat a lot. I don't lose weight. You know, I got problems with my iron, like a messed up, I'm gonna die. Like, you know, like, I got I need to do something. So we're talking and she says, What do you mean you have to lose weight. I said, I just I'm, I think I have to lose a lot of weight. And she's like, That's ridiculous. And I stood up because I was about to get on the scale. And I said, Look, I'm gonna get on the scale anyway. Guess my weight can hurt my feelings. We're all going to know in a second I'm going to jump up on the scale, right? So it's fine. Just really look at me assess me and guess my weight and she goes, I don't know. 175 pounds maybe like if she was having trouble getting herself to 70 Five. And I told her, I weighed myself this morning. I'm slightly over 236. And she goes, Oh, and she's got this lovely accent she goes, we get you the Wiko v. And I was like, Can I go? Yeah. And she goes, Yeah, I think so. And I'm like, Alright, so now I've lost 40 pounds. I think this morning, I was like, 194 or something. I'm gonna tell you, I now can I can now be not that I wasn't being honest before. But now I understand it better. And I understand. Not only do I not need a bunch of food, but I wouldn't want a bunch of food, that I'm still eating plenty of nutrition. And I'm eating a fraction of what I was eating before. But I can still look at myself and objectively tell you I need to lose 15 or 20 more pounds still, like my body should probably be around 180 pounds, 175 180 pounds. And I was at 236. Thinking I needed to drop 20 pounds. That gets it's crazy up weight in places I don't even think I knew existed. To be perfectly honest. So

Kim 1:01:04
what is the plan then being on the go V? When you reach your goal? Do you go off of it? Do you lower your dosage? Do you know how that works? Yeah, so

Scott Benner 1:01:13
because of insurance, they only we go V goes up to 2.4. And then you can't go back again. Like you can't have your doctor say okay, they've lost all the weight like give them let's get give him the one unit again or something like that, or the one milligram isn't milligram. I think it's more grip. So what she told me was, we'll start experimenting with shooting it further and further apart. Okay, so right now you do it every week. But she's like, maybe we'll do it every 10 days and see how it works or a little farther. Or maybe I won't need it anymore. I mean, you don't need it anymore, right?

Kim 1:01:48
Usually, they say that once you go off of it, people start to gain the weight back.

Scott Benner 1:01:52
Well, I'm going to tell you, if I have a GLP problem, then I'm going to have a problem going off of it. So I'm going to I'm going to I'm just looking I'll stay on it forever if I have to. I don't care, like but I don't want to continue to lose weight. But also I don't know that that would happen. Like isn't my body going to reach a stasis point? I would think so. Yeah, I'm not losing weight, by the way, because I'm not eating enough. I'm losing weight because I'm eating the correct amount. And I'm fat. That's why I'm losing weight.

Kim 1:02:23
You see what I'm saying? I understand trust me.

Scott Benner 1:02:28
Gives like, Yeah, I hear Yeah, I'm fine. I was five 170. Something else? Yeah, I'm not gonna turn into a skeleton. So I'm gonna get down to the part where there's not excess fat on my body. And I just think I think it's possible that all these generations and decades of us looking heavy around each other makes us feel like that, for some reason that like, a fit body is thin for some reason. And I don't know that that's the case. So and I'd like to put my salon and I'm going to try on my own. But I can tell you, if I can't accomplish it on my own. I'm going right back to that doctor, and I'm gonna go like, hey, what other intervention can I get here to make me stay alive? I'm not against staying alive. And I you know, it's funny, you hear people say, I can't believe you use that to lose weight. You cheated, right? Or, like, you know, I'm in my 50s. I'm gonna go back and say, Look, we'll testosterone helped me put muscle on and make me I don't want to be big, but like, healthier, you know, stronger, go support my joints, that kind of stuff. People would be like, Oh, you're cheating? Don't you love that? I'm cheating. But the whole world's drunk and high? And they don't think anything of it.

Kim 1:03:40
Absolutely. Have you noticed a big increase in your energy, though? I mean, are you able to exercise more where you weren't

Scott Benner 1:03:46
before or had an injury that slowed me down, and it's still not gonna be talking about, I'm not quite back yet. So I'm doing a little bit at a time getting into it. I mean, the problem I'm having right now is that I'm not a person who's exercised. So, you know, I'm in the situation that everyone who has an exercise is and I have to start slowly build up to get to something. I haven't been out of breath in a very long time. I can tell you that much.

Kim 1:04:10
That's how I was though, too. I would prefer to sit on the couch and watch TV then do any kind of exercise. And once I started taking the weight off, I started just simple walking. And now I walk between 12 and 16,000 steps a day. And I think that's a big part of why I didn't put the weight back on for sure.

Scott Benner 1:04:28
Yeah, you've you've changed your, your lifestyle. Yeah, that's fantastic. And you're not eating. And there is something. I don't know how to put it exactly. But it takes you out of your mind. Like all the things that you can think of like, wow, I might take ice cream and put like caramel syrup on top of it. Like that's the thing that from my youth, I would have loved right. And now if you put that in front of me, I would probably take a spoonful of it and I'd be like, Oh, that was good. But then I wouldn't care for the rest of it. It would feel like just excessive too. mean to eat it, or when you see greasy things with like a lot of sauce on it or something like that I go, Oh, I would not only that, that that's not good for me. Like, you know, i When my wife went away on business, I went to the store, I got a turkey breast, chicken wings, and shrimp. And I thought, Oh, this will feed me for like a week. And I smoked the turkey breast and I smoked the chicken wings. And when I wanted something kind of zesty, I had the chicken wings. And when I wanted to eat and be you know, just get my nutrition in, I would take the turkey breasts up, like slice it up, I was putting it in with like scrambled egg and eating in a wrap or something like that. I eat coconut milk, yogurt in the morning, I drink my ag one, like that kind of stuff, rice. But the other night I came home, and I was I was I was hungry. When I got home I'd been traveling, like I said unexpectedly and I was back. And there was just not my stuff wasn't in the house. And my wife had bought like some Trader Joe's chicken nuggets that looked very like healthy. And I warmed four or five of them up. And there were like these potato chips in the house. And I thought oh, I'll have a couple of potato chips with these nuggets. And I ate the nuggets and about the third potato chip. And I was like us it's so greasy and disgusting. These these potato chips. And I put them back in the bag like I was I was turned off by them. And I think that whatever is in all this processed food that rewires our brains or our guts or tells us you know that we're hungry, or we need sugar or whatever. I think it's once that's gone, you look at stuff and go oh, like what is that greasy, like mayonnaise on that? Like a like, why would I can't eat that? You know, I mean, or like these chips tastes like grease, but I know they would have been good chips to me a year ago. Yeah,

Kim 1:06:49
definitely changed your mindset on it and kind of come to your senses about it. But

Scott Benner 1:06:55
that's a good way to put it. Yeah, yeah. You know, it feels like you're you were being tricked forever. And now you're like, oh, you can't trick me. There's no reason for me to eat this. Like, I was like, yeah, if you took me to Burger King right now and bought me a cheeseburger, I'd be like, I, I Please don't make me that. Like, I couldn't do that I even a good cheeseburger. I've had that experience that you talked about earlier. Like, by good I mean, like, you know, like grass fed beef and like no fillers in it. And you know, like on a, like a brioche bun, I could eat maybe a quarter of one of those. And then I'd be like, that's enough. Like, I'm good. You know? So yeah, it's, it's fantastic. I honestly came, I had a conversation with a doctor, not a doctor, anybody would know, is a person I met who's also a doctor. And I told them, I can see a world where GLP medications, fundamentally shift obesity and overeating. In maybe a generation? I 100%. Agree. Yeah, it may be one generation, it could actually stop the whole problem. So I'm assuming that means that like agri companies right now are trying to pressure the insurance somebody's to not cover it so that we all keep eating the way we eat or so I imagine that's all happening in the background. And I'm not a person who's like, take medication. Like if you can't do it, take medicine. I tried my goddamn hardest my whole life. It just didn't work. And I think that people who don't understand it think like you're you're putting some poison in your body that's melting you away. And they're stuck on things they heard originally, like ozempic face for example. I've

Kim 1:08:35
heard that and I don't I don't even know what that is. I've never seen a case of it. Yeah,

Scott Benner 1:08:40
let me tell you what it is a bunch of people blew their bodies up big and fat. And then they deflated them. And people went, Oh, you look old and kind of scraggly now. Well, yeah. Because there's extra skin on your face.

Kim 1:08:49
So that's all they mean by the ozempic face is just the extra skin. Yes. But once

Scott Benner 1:08:52
someone says that, like the first person who goes, Oh, I have ozempic face, which means I lost a bunch of weight. And my face looks like this now because I lost a bunch of weight. Then that gets out into the zeitgeist. And people are like, Oh, ozempic must make your face look weird. Which it doesn't. It's just you're puffy and bloated. And now you're not anymore. There's extra skin and a lot of people eventually, like it tightens up for them. I've been lucky. My face has changed and I don't have I don't have hanging or loose skin and my cheeks around my eyes or anything like that. You know, speaking in my face, you want to talk about how your brain tricks you. As I was starting to really lose weight, like the first 15 pounds, I thought oh, my face looks a little different. And I actually thought I looked terrific. I did something that I'll just admit to you now that I've never said I've always wanted to do more video content for the podcasts like social media and stuff but I didn't like the way I look so I didn't do it. And I lost this 15 pounds. I was like I look so much better. I'm gonna I made a video. Well, thank God I did because I still have it because a month later I made another one and I was like Oh, I did not look okay. A month ago when I was down 15 pounds down 20 pounds. I look better dancer Only five I look better down 30 I look better at 40 I look completely different. And then the strangest thing happened the other day, I got out of the shower, turn to the mirror. And I thought my face looked fat, really? And I thought, oh my god, is this how quickly your brain receives things? Do you know what I mean? Because I My face is is not perfect, and there is weight to lose it under my jaw, a little bit in my cheeks. That's still there, right? But I look so much different in my face at 40 pounds than I did before I started or even if 15 pounds down. I look great now like I'd be happy if I look like this forever. But I'm not wrong. There's still weight in my jaw, and my gel like good Godhra my neck. What I'm saying is it was fascinating how quickly my brain told me you're not there yet. And it was a different message than before, when I would look and say, Oh, I can't make a video because I look fat. Like I don't think I look fat. I just now know, this is not exactly what my face is supposed to look like if my body was at the correct weight. I don't know if that difference is obvious to everybody. But it's after going through this. It's very obvious to me the difference? Well,

Kim 1:11:21
you posted the pictures on the Facebook page. And I don't know if I had ever seen pictures of you before. Yeah,

Scott Benner 1:11:28
well, a lot of people don't take pictures of themselves and they look fat. So I don't do that either. If you want to talk about being upset, here's something to be upset about. I now realize I have consciously self consciously kept myself out of photos with my kids my whole life. Me too. Yeah, because I didn't want them to think I was

Kim 1:11:47
the one taking them. Yeah.

Scott Benner 1:11:49
I also felt like if I think I felt like when I'm gone, I'd rather than remember me the way they thought of me then actually be able to pull up a picture and go my dad was a fat guy didn't know that. Because I've had conversations with them. They don't know. They don't think of me that way. It's kind of fascinating. So after I lost that first 15 pounds, I was pretty excited. And I saw my son for the first time because he wasn't living at home we went visited him. And I think for the first half an hour I just stood in the room like posing like Madonna thinking he was gonna look up at me. He's gonna look up at me and go like, I think this guy's voguing. Why is he doing that? Let me look. Oh, it's because he's so thin. And he wants me to know. And he's trying to get me to say something. But after a while, I just thought he doesn't see any difference to me. So I asked him, Do you see that? I've lost weight. And he looked at me and he goes, No. And I said, I've lost 15 pounds. I said, like I went down a t shirt size. And he goes, Yeah, I don't think of you as a fat person. That's pretty cool. Yeah. Isn't that interesting?

Kim 1:12:51
Yeah, definitely. Yeah, it's cool that he didn't even notice it. Yeah, he's

Scott Benner 1:12:57
like, I don't think of you that way. And I was like, Okay, I can't wait for him to see me again, because I'm going to see him in a couple of months. And I mean, at that point, I'm probably going to be down 45 I'm gonna guess about 45 pounds. And I look significantly different now. And I don't think he's going to notice it. He just doesn't he doesn't care about that. Does Arden say anything? We had the same conversation. She's like, Yeah, I don't think she's like, I'm looking at you. I see you've lost weight. She goes, but I don't see. It doesn't feel like an improvement to me. It doesn't change how I thought about you now. Or then. Like, it's just, I think we're just the kids just think of us is like, our thoughts and our emotions and stuff like that. Right? Yeah. So and by the way, it's the same thing, like anybody who's grown older with like, with a person, like I said to somebody the other day, I was with my wife and someone else. And they were talking about getting older and everything. And I and I wasn't trying to score points or anything like that. I said exactly what I what I meant. Like I said, when I look at Kelly, I think of this 20 year old girl that I went away on vacation with. Like, I'm like, That's how she looks to me. Like, that's how I think of her in my mind. Like, you know, like she's like, she's a collection of my experiences with her when I'm not with her and I think of her. But if you asked me to picture her, I almost always picture her the way she I remember her on this vacation. We went on when we were dating. I don't see her as like, older or heavier or grayer or anything like that. She's just her, then. So I think that's how my kids must think of me.

Kim 1:14:33
Yeah, I feel that same way about my husband too. Yeah. It's interesting, isn't it? Yeah. They just kind of the years just go by and you don't think anything of it? Yeah,

Scott Benner 1:14:42
though. It's just you're just a collection of memories at that point, not necessarily a thing. And I think that's why like, the other day, I was leaving Arden and I was saying goodbye to her roommates. And I was joking. I went into the one girl's room and I was like, Hey, I think I'm supposed to call that girl Heather. I'm like, Hey, Heather. It's not really and And I said, I'm leaving now I'm sorry that we I'm glad we got to see each other. I'm sorry, it was under like kind of the circumstances. And what I'm most sorry about is that we didn't have time for you to really absorb how thin I am. And she's like laughing and I was laughing. And he goes, What's wrong with you? And I'm like, I have no idea. And so we went over to the, we went over to the next person to say goodbye. And I'm like, I can't remember what I'm supposed to call this girl. So I'm like, Hey, I'm like, you know, and Arden looks at me, she's like, he's gonna do the same bit for her, he just did for the other one. So I get to the point where I'm gonna say, I'm so sorry, you didn't get to, like, really absorb how thin I am. And that's enough. Just let's go.

Kim 1:15:39
We're done here, your friend.

Scott Benner 1:15:41
Just let him finish. And she goes, I already know what he's gonna say. And I'm just doing that to make Arden laugh. So, you know, anyway,

Kim 1:15:50
it's great. It's

Scott Benner 1:15:51
completely life changing. And, you know, it's amazing. So, it really is, yeah, I'm very hopeful that it'll, it'll be that insurance will allow us to find a way to help type ones with it. I, I think we're going to, and I don't think it's gonna work for everybody. I think it's gonna be just like everyone else. Like, some people might not have a good time that I've talked to people were like, look, I got so sick on it. I had horrible diarrhea or like, my stomach hurt, I had to stop now. I wasn't with those people. I don't know how they tried to eat while they were on it. I don't know, if maybe they thought this was a magic weight loss drug and you inject it, you just keep eating and you lose weight. That's not the case. You can eat through it. Like it's, it's you can willfully just keep eating, and you will feel bloated, and stuffed and probably vomit and you know, like, have terrible like gi problems. So I don't know if people just there are some people who are just like, keep eating the same crappy way they always ate and thought they were gonna magically lose weight, or if it really is just something that some people can't tolerate. And I think times gonna figure that out for us.

Kim 1:16:59
I had a lot of issues from it, I actually reached a point where I called the nurse that was in charge of the study and begged her to take me off of it. How come I just the constant fullness, and like I said, I wasn't eating much at all. And I don't know, it felt like it was at the time, it felt like it was ruining my life. Like I said, I just, I was asleep. All summer long. I was asleep at seven, eight o'clock at night. I just didn't want to do anything. I couldn't eat anything. I didn't want to go out because I'd go out to dinner with a group of friends. And they'd order and eat and I just didn't look at my food. And just the just the way my stomach felt. And do you ever get the sulfur taste in your mouth?

Scott Benner 1:17:43
Oh, no, I don't. But I've heard people talk about it. Yeah, it was

Kim 1:17:47
really bad too. And the indigestion? It got bad for a while. Yeah. And I was lucky. I never I never vomited. But I felt like I was going to quit a bit. I

Scott Benner 1:17:58
felt like I've swallowed my food. And there's a rock in my sternum like it stopped. And it hadn't. I mean, obviously, it's passing through and everything's fine. But I also tried to do other things, I magnesium oxide to make sure I kept going to the bathroom so that the process would keep happening, like so the food could keep passing through, there was a time where I got constipated. So I added fiber. And that was scary. Because I thought what if the fiber goes in, it doesn't come out. So like, I took like a little bit of fiber to try to like, get through that bad week. But what I'm saying is I saw we were going in the right direction. And there were speed bumps, but I was like, I'm gonna find a way around each and every one of these speed bumps because I'm not going to stop. And there were times I had to take Tums because of the heartburn. And, you know, I take your point about going out to to eat and being like, everybody's buying food, you're like, Yeah, I'll take a bite of that. And but my wife and I kind of turned into a game like I would order like one thing and she'd order one thing that we kind of pick from it, we'd like we're done. And then like see, take it home, you could live off it for like two days after that. Right? I don't know what I would have done. If too early on, I would have had those problems. I might have bailed too. You know what I mean? And it's not going to be for everybody. Like I'm not saying everyone's going to have my experience with it. I don't think that's true. But I just think that the experience that I've had I've lived through it long enough now that I'm out the other side and I just see food differently than I did before I started Are you on the highest dose now? Yeah, I've been on the highest so for a while when I called her and asked

Kim 1:19:31
her to take me off of it she with ozempic You either gonna start on the point to five and then the point five and then the one and at the point where I was when I asked to be taken off of it I was at the one and she was able to move me back down to the point five and then I was okay, okay, yeah, just being on the highest dose was just too much for me.

Scott Benner 1:19:51
I kept pushing I was like this parks on pleasant. I'm gonna go I want to see what it means to get to the end of this. And but there were days there days where it's like eat didn't eat much at all. You know, we're like, there were days I'd make like a bowl of chicken soup, chicken soup. Just an eight ounce can of soup. And like halfway into it. I was like, oh, that's enough. Yeah, that's

Kim 1:20:12
exactly how I was. And did you notice it a lot than when you got to that highest dose? Did it make a big difference in all of that your side effects or anything or not so much.

Scott Benner 1:20:21
What I noticed was that it was hard to get through. And then once I got through, and I've been on the highest dose for a while I'm okay now. Well, that's good. Yeah, like my body adjusted to it eventually. That's great. Yeah. So I mean, honestly, I could talk about it forever. I got the other day, I was somewhere. And though the woman said to me, you were just in here buying shirts. And I was like, yeah, she goes, Why are you back? So soon, I said, I went down another size. So I went from a to x t shirt, to a large, that's great. So I was back buying shirts, and I said, Oh, I have recently lost a lot of weight. And I was here, I bought a couple of shirts. I've by the way, this is my plan. I've done it with underwear and shirts, I buy enough to keep me going knowing they're gonna get thrown away, because I'm gonna keep losing weight. And I'm going to need more. And so I was back and that the woman asked me, How do you lose weight that fast? And I was telling her and she's just like, what's this now, and then this girl, this girl, like I'm explaining it to her. And then this girl comes around who works there. This girl was young, 1820 21 years old. Tall, she probably she's probably six feet tall. But she had to have weighed well over 300 pounds. And so she's like, I've been losing weight this year to she's on a medication for migraines, that the side effect of it is weight loss. I don't know anything more about than what she said, right? But she's like, I've already lost 60 pounds this year. And she's like, but tell me more about this. And as I was telling her about it, you could just see on her face. Like, I hope you don't I mean, like she was like, maybe that would work for me. And I was like you should try. I'm like, I don't know if you'll have the same experience I did. But I don't know that there's harm in trying. And she's like writing it down. She's like, I'm gonna go talk to my parents, I'm still on their insurance, they have good insurance, I think I'll be able to get this. And I was like, Okay, I was, you know, good luck. But, you know, I don't know, like, Listen, if you're 300 pounds, you're six feet tall, and you're comfortable with yourself. I'm not telling you, you need to lose weight. I'm certainly not saying that. This is just my experience. But you know, I'm standing in front of a stranger who's in that exact situation. And she just very, I think you were in that situation of sick, I'm never going to see you again. And she's like, I need to do something. And I was like, okay, she's like, I think my whole life's gonna get ruined if I don't figure something out. I was like, Well, you know, good luck. And I don't know if I'll ever be back there again. I mean, I don't imagine I'm going below a large to be perfectly honest. If I ended up in a meeting over No, no, I my body structure. There is a way I held all that weight and people didn't exactly know, I have a I'm pretty broad at my shoulders through my chest and everything. I don't see how I could get. Yeah, there's no more to go like this shirts hanging on my, you know, on my body now not on not on. It's not being puffed out by insulation. Anyway, Kim, I don't know what the hell happened in this episode. Do you have diabetes? Gonna be talking about that? What's it? Do you have diabetes that we talked about? I think I do. So you like the conversational stuff, right? Yeah, you're not bothered when you get to the end of it. And I'm like, I just talked about GLP. And nobody's mentioned diabetes for more than five minutes. That's okay for you. Right? I

Kim 1:23:37
like it. i Yeah, like to the personalities of it. And I enjoy it. You go for a walk with me every day. So that's lovely to be entertained. It

Scott Benner 1:23:46
was nice to be to come and see me when I was in Orlando. I appreciate that very much.

Kim 1:23:49
It was great to meet you. Yeah. No, it was it was a wonderful time. Oh, don't

Scott Benner 1:23:53
they do a nice job? Oh, it was wonderful. Let me just say this touched by type one.org. You should go check that out, too. It was great. I'm supporting advertisers. While I'm talking. They were the they were the very first people whoever let me speak at an event. Oh, really? Yes. And up until then, no one came to me because I didn't have diabetes. And if they talked to me about something, they were like, you just talked about being the parent and how hard that is? And I'm like, no thanks. But somebody there was listening to the podcast and had some real life benefits from it for their child. And so during a meeting, that person said to them, like, you know, I think we should have this guy talk about diabetes. And I came down I did their first event. I've been at every one of their events, and they do a lovely job. It gets bigger and better every year. And just a wonderful group and, and I very much like being a part of it. Yeah, they do a nice job. throughout

Kim 1:24:52
the event. They talked a lot about the growth through the years and I would assume you had a lot to do with that because I don't think I talked to anybody who didn't hang up your name or the podcast? Oh,

Scott Benner 1:25:02
that's nice. I'm not gonna say that. I will, you can say whatever you want.

Kim 1:25:07
I talked, I talked to quite a few people. And I mean, I saw the the amount of people sitting in that room when you were speaking. Yeah.

Scott Benner 1:25:14
No, it's It's nice. I draw a crowd.

Kim 1:25:17
Absolutely. It was so interesting to I actually

Scott Benner 1:25:21
have from here. I'm trying to find it for you now. Elizabeth, who runs touched by type one. She's the founder and the president of it. I asked her after the last time I spoke, I never do the things that other people don't like, you know, could you give me a quote? I was like, because I'd like to do more speaking. Can you just give me a quote about having me at your event? I'd like to use it like in social media and stuff. And so I actually just got this back from her the other day. She said, Scott Benner is our top speaker year after year, the largest crowds are always dedicated to his sessions, and consistently have the highest rated feedback. He's developed sessions tailored to a variety of age groups. And a large part of our conference turnout is due to attendees coming specifically to hear him speak. His personable and welcoming demeanor makes him a joy to host. And we look forward to his participation for many years to come.

Kim 1:26:11
So that's awesome.

Scott Benner 1:26:13
I actually haven't absorbed that yet. Because it just arrived. But it was nice. It was nice to share your I appreciate Elizabeth being so kind. And hopefully other people invite me out. I draw a crowd and I do a good job once I'm there. And I work hard. I don't I see other speakers. Don't worry. I see him. They come they take their money. They give you crap and they walk out.

Kim 1:26:35
Well, that was the thing you made it entertaining. It wasn't just do this, do this do this. It was I don't know. There's more personality in it when you were speaking.

Scott Benner 1:26:45
You're very nice. That's lovely. Thank you. And I'm thin now. So it's easy to look at me.

Kim 1:26:50
Actually, you are thin. Actually, I

Scott Benner 1:26:52
don't imagine anybody had a tough time looking at me prior. But it's easier for me to stand up there. I don't think about angles as much or how I must look like to people. That was the thing I had to give away. When I started doing public speaking. I thought I know I don't look good up there. I have to let that go. But as an example, touched by type one last year, like not this past one, but the one prior to that the videographer came around when I was speaking and I said listen to me, you shoot me from the back of the room? And do not stand under this riser and shoot up at me. I'm like do not do it.

Kim 1:27:29
Really you were that bothered by at home?

Scott Benner 1:27:31
I was that bothered by it? I was like do not do that. Shoot me from far away. And do not do not do not come up from underneath me. I said as a matter of fact, if he could suspend yourself from the ceiling, that'd be the way to do this. Like a selfie angle come down from me from an angle. And this year I got there. I never thought about it. That's great. Yeah, it was really freeing, actually. So like

Kim 1:27:54
you said, just life changing, just to not worry about those things anymore is wonderful. It's

Scott Benner 1:27:59
the best thing I've done for myself, personally, as an adult. So, yeah, so anybody who would come to me and say you cheated or anything like that, I would just look at them and go, Oh, you could go yourself.

Kim 1:28:14
Oh, it infuriates me whenever anybody says that. It's, yeah, I did what I had to do. And well, I didn't even do it for the weight loss. It was just an unexpected benefit. My husband and I were actually on vacation. And I got a call from the woman running the study. My doctor had given her my name. And she's telling me about and she's talking about the diabetes and everything. And I'm like I said, I'm I'm in a hotel room in Vegas. I'm like, I just need to get back out and do my thing. Could you hurry up? And all of a sudden, she's like you, there's a chance you could lose a little bit of weight. And I'm like, say what? Come again. And she started telling me about more about it. And I was hooked. And I didn't even plan on it. And it just kind of fell into place.

Scott Benner 1:28:55
I don't know how often I've said this, but my wife works in drug safety. She has her whole life. So there are people at pharma companies whose job it is to make sure you're safe. It's a lot of paperwork and a lot of understanding regulations and a lot of going to other parts of the business and telling them things they don't want to hear because it's for safety reasons, you know, she's very good at, but about a decade ago, maybe my wife was at Novo Nordisk for maybe four years she might have worked there. She came home one day, and she said, I'm seeing this data. And I'm pretty comfortable saying that one day there's going to be an injectable weight loss drug that's actually going to make people lose significant amounts of weight, really. And she's like, Yeah, I think it's gonna change hunger and like, a lot of things. And she just said that to me off handedly one day, and some 10 years later, maybe I'm using it. And she is too by the way. It's kind of crazy. She's like, I can't believe this. This stuff work because they put so much stuff through r&d that doesn't go anywhere. You You know, right? And she's like, Yeah, this is crazy. So there it is like, we're, we're using the thing that she talked about all those years ago that she's like, I saw data and it really looks promising.

Kim 1:30:09
That's all she said. That's really cool. Yeah, that's very interesting. So

Scott Benner 1:30:13
I'm not saying everybody should run out and get it. I'm not saying if you have 15 pounds lose, maybe you shouldn't try to sit up first. Like, I'm not, you know what I mean? Like, I'm not saying that. But at the same time, I'm not here to judge anybody, if it's 15 pounds that could make you feel the way I've described if it's 115 pounds, like whatever, I put my picture up online, and people came in and shared their photos of a get brought a lot of people out of the woodwork who are like, Hey, I'm using those on pic. And or I'm on we go V and look at this, and one guy lost, like over 100 pounds. He's like a completely different person. You know?

Kim 1:30:47
It's fantastic. Look at the celebrities. Yeah,

Scott Benner 1:30:51
yeah, no,

Kim 1:30:52
it's and people are bad mouthing them to their people to who cares?

Scott Benner 1:30:57
Yeah, you're not gonna catch me saying anything bad about people trying to help themselves, that's for sure. I've heard thing people say, I've worked my whole life to stay thin. I've restricted my calories. And I've worked out and it feels upsetting that you got a cheat code for it. When I hear people say that, I would tell them look, that may be the case for some people. But for a lot of other people. That I don't know that. I think it's just physiological. And you know, or maybe it's social, social, or maybe it's financial, maybe they just can't afford good food. Like, it's easy to hear a famous person say, I've tried really hard, but yeah, you can afford good food. And you can, you know, I like I always love it. When you hear somebody who's famous go, all you have to do is work out. I'm like, Yeah, your job is three hours a day. You make a podcast for three hours a day. Yeah, you can go work out you have nothing else to do. And you have a gym in your house. Yeah, how about or trainer comes in helps you or whatever you have to like access. Most people are working eight hours a day and commuting another two hours a day. And by the way, they have to sleep and they have children. And the toilet needs to be scrubbed. When you don't want them to go to the gym, the rock the internet. I mean, like, like, well, I guess if I made Jumanji, I could spend some time in the gym too. But sadly, no one's come calling yet. So I'm gonna have to do my job. You know. It's a weird thing to hear famous people whose lives are different, as far as the structure of their days, go tell you, hey, you know, here's what you should do. You make a lot more money than I do. Like you can afford to eat foods that aren't processed. And if you don't know what those foods are, you can afford to hire somebody to tell you what those foods are. Right? And then you can afford the time to work out. I'm not saying they still don't have to do the work. They're obviously still doing the work. But I don't know they always see the the impacts that like a regular person has in their day. Yeah, that's all. Alright, Kim. I was incredibly chatty during this one. So I apologize up front. I'm gonna let you go. Because you must have a life

Kim 1:33:01
you have to get back to. It's all good. I had a great time.

Scott Benner 1:33:05
Is there anything we didn't talk about that we should have? I'm glad you had a good time.

Kim 1:33:09
I don't think so.

Scott Benner 1:33:12
Yeah, we didn't have a big plan on this one, really. So I just when you said I've been on ozempic. I was like, I never have an opportunity to talk about this outside of the diaries that I make. Right? Which people are enjoying, I didn't realize, oh,

Kim 1:33:26
I listened to all of them. And it's funny because I compare myself at each stage that you're at, oh,

Scott Benner 1:33:32
like where I'm at now versus some of the days or? Yeah, so for people who don't know I, every day, I inject my weak Ovi while I'm making a diary. So I sit down, I just off the top of my head, reminisce about the week prior, I inject it and I pop out and then the next week it comes up and after the episodes like 3035 minutes long, I just put it out. That's the extent of my prep on that one. But I thought like, I didn't imagine people would like it. But I actually started getting people running notes about it. So I was like, Oh, cool. It's very

Kim 1:34:04
interesting. You're covering everything with it. So it's been very helpful. Oh, it's

Scott Benner 1:34:07
good to know. Thank you. I don't know what I'm doing here, Kim. I'm just doing my best. Whatever works works and we'll keep it up. Thank you. Oh, hold on one second. For me.

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