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Scott Benner 0:00
Hello friends and welcome to episode 1167 of the Juicebox Podcast

today I'll be speaking with Owen he's 26 years old, he's had type one diabetes for eight years. His background is in Biomedical Engineering and he'd love to work for Dexcom or insulin. Oh and symptoms of type one diabetes reared their head initially at a Cubs game. Nothing you hear on the Juicebox Podcast should be considered advice, medical or otherwise, always consult a physician before making any changes to your health care plan. If you have type one diabetes, or the caregiver of someone with type one and a US resident, please go to T one D exchange.org. Forward slash juicebox and fill out the survey. The survey will take you just 10 minutes that's how long it took me. The questions are very easy, you'll know the answers to them. And when you do this, you will be helping with type one diabetes research T one D exchange.org/juice box right there from your sofa you can help when you place your first order for ag one with my link you'll get five free travel packs and a free year supply of vitamin D. Drink ag one.com/juice box. If you're looking for community around type one diabetes, check out the Juicebox Podcast private Facebook group Juicebox Podcast type one diabetes today's episode of The Juicebox Podcast is sponsored by the contour next gen blood glucose meter. This is the meter that my daughter has on her person right now. It is incredibly accurate and waiting for you at contour next one.com/juicebox This episode of The Juicebox Podcast is sponsored by cozy earth.com Cozy Earth is where I get my clothing, linens and towels from they are incredibly comfortable and temperate. I love them. I really do love them. And I love that I can give you an offer code that will save you 40% off of your entire order. Just use the offer code juice box at checkout and you will save 40% at cosy earth.com This show is sponsored today by the glucagon that my daughter carries. G voc hypo Penn Find out more at G voc glucagon.com. Forward slash juicebox.

Eoin 2:28
Well, hello everyone. I'm Oh in. I've been in type one for about eight years now. And I live in Chicago lived in the Midwest my whole life I grew up in the suburbs. So my background is in biomedical engineering. I graduated probably like four years ago or so. And I've been working in research ever since. And I've been wanting to get into like, you know, it would be it would be a dream to work at like insolate or ducks calm. And I definitely applied for like, at least 10 jobs each at those companies. And I didn't get any of them.

Scott Benner 3:07
Oh, and how old are you?

Unknown Speaker 3:08
Oh,

Scott Benner 3:10
I'm 2626. Okay, and you were diagnosed? Would you say years ago?

Eoin 3:15
Yeah, it was like 2014. About

Scott Benner 3:18
About 18 years. Were you still in high school or out?

Eoin 3:22
So yeah, I was still in high school. I was actually 17 Okay, and I got diagnosed. Mulder like late onset juvenile?

Scott Benner 3:32
Those are words most of us don't use anymore. Juvenile in general is one. I haven't heard that in a while. But eight years ago. Okay. So let's, let's ask a couple questions first. So is there any other type one in your family?

Eoin 3:46
No. So my maternal grandfather had like type two and he had like hypothyroidism and then eventually Parkinson's. But no one else in either side of my family has type one. Okay.

Scott Benner 4:01
But he did have a couple of autoimmune things he had. Yeah, thyroid and probably Parkinson's. I think we could call it on me until at least inflammation based. And that's your grandfather on your whose side mom's side or mom's side? Okay. No one else has hypothyroidism or celiac or anything like that. No, no,

Eoin 4:23
not that I know of, at least for like celiac. I don't. I don't think any of my aunts do. I guess one of my cousins does have some like autoimmune stuff that I don't know exactly what it is. But I know it's auto.

Scott Benner 4:36
Okay. So yeah, I mean, a little bit, not a lot, but still, it's interesting. So when you're diagnosed, what do you remember about that time?

Eoin 4:46
Well, so it was in the summer and my mom is a she's like been a nurse her whole life and kind of does more like admin stuff at the hospitals now, but I I was going to a Cubs game with my cousin and she's a nurse practitioner and driving down Addison like from the highway all the way to the field, I probably had to go to the bathroom like two or three times, sitting in traffic. Of course, it was probably like, an hour almost. And she was like, This is not normal. And like, I've been complaining to my mom for like weeks. And like, asking her for like, I needed like a insulated like, the Hydroflask the really big one, so I can just like fill it up with a ton of water. And so at first when I started showing symptoms, my mom like jokingly was like, you're probably diabetic. And I was like, Haha, okay, but so then that like festered in my head for like, probably two or three weeks. And then I went to the Cubs game. And my cousin was like, Well, I'm gonna check your blood sugar when we get back. And so she never checked my blood sugar. So I was like, I need to find out. And so that morning after I like, texted my mom, and asked if I could, like come in, and she could just check my blood sugar. And so I went out to breakfast with some friends. And then we went to the I went to the like, what's my mom's work because she checked my blood sugar, and it was like, 394. And so then we like, called are called My pediatrician. And then like, she set us up with an endocrinologist. And so then that day, we went to that day, we went first to my pediatrician, they took my agency, and it was like unreadable, obviously. And then, like, the pediatrician passed me on to my first endocrinologist who like, got me insulin, like meter, you know, like, kind of went over the real like, short, little spiel they give Yeah. And I was pretty much on my way I was on, like, MDI, and finger pricks for probably like six months. And then I they put me on the pump, and the ducks calm. I think it was like the G three. When I first had it, I

Scott Benner 7:13
remember G four. And then there was this weird time where there was seven and seven plus, and that somehow came before four. So I don't I don't remember a G three. But the numbering system was a little weird in the beginning. So I don't know how to ever figure that out. But they got you on that quickly in six months. Yeah. Was that your doing? Or did they did your doctor's office push forward?

Eoin 7:38
Oh, I definitely wanted to I like want all the like best new advanced stuff. So like they knew that I wanted if they're like, You need to know how to do all this first. And so I mean, I did. And then like my second visit, my agency was like 10. And then like, kept going down by twos pretty much like every time I would go, yeah. And then like throughout high school, my ANC was probably like in the eights. Because, you know, like, I don't know, I was a high schooler and like, I didn't pay attention as much, probably, I would imagine. But yeah. And like, my parent, I had like a lot of independence. Like, my mom wasn't texting me like, Hey, I see your blood sugar's dropping, have you like had a snack? So I just, and if they knew what to do, I think, would they know how to use the PDM? I don't know. But you know, they know, like, what to look for symptoms. So I mean,

Scott Benner 8:43
they understand kind of high level, but as far as like actual management, you were you were diagnosed at a time where they probably thought like he's old enough to know this. And that. Is that the vibe of outline? Yeah. Also, I don't think that the first the first x columns didn't share like that. So I don't even think they could have followed you back then.

Unknown Speaker 9:04
Oh, yeah. No. Yeah. Right. That's interesting.

Scott Benner 9:07
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Eoin 11:52
I don't really know I think I think once I got I know, I got the Dexcom before the Omni pod. So like I think, you know, I've feel like I've heard this a dozen times, like, once you can see you're like how your blood sugar reacts to like, whatever it is you're doing, like really get a better idea of like, how to control it and

Scott Benner 12:12
like, yeah, of course.

Eoin 12:15
So I think MDI wasn't as like, I mean, having to do the calculations, I guess was like, good to like know that. But then I mean, it's obviously so much easier. Just type it in.

Scott Benner 12:28
You think that's that's probably the entirety of it, right? They want you to be able to count carbs. And do the math for how much insulin you

Eoin 12:36
need. Yeah, definitely. I

Scott Benner 12:39
don't know that you couldn't figure that out if you're using a pump to it, but but I guess I guess so. There was no great learning that came from your MDI time. No. Nothing magical happened. You didn't feel like you leveled up or anything like that.

Eoin 12:57
Well, I definitely felt like I leveled up when I got the pump and the ER and the ducks calm. You got all this stuff on your body. I think it looks pretty cool. I know some, some diabetics are like, they'd rather hide it, but I don't know. I think you go for it. Yeah, go for it because I was a server at Texas Roadhouse. Like when I was in college, like, getting up college, and I like, was at this table and their kid was like, newly diagnosed, and to like super, super ashamed, like, embarrassed. And like the mom was like, Look at he's just wearing his, his pump right on his arm like that, like, he doesn't care. Like it's okay. And I was like, wow, like, this is kind of a cute moment, where I felt like, hopefully I could, like, not help this kid out. But you know, at least he had some example of like, someone with diabetes that, you know, didn't let it like, hold them back socially.

Scott Benner 13:58
Yeah. Oh, and I don't know, I think that that helped. You know, like, just, I'm not trying to take credit for it. But it's um, it's a big deal. Like you did that thing you or your device where he could say it, and then it gives him the confidence maybe to not feel so alone or ashamed or however he was feeling so I think it's really nice. Actually. You got and you said you get the pump first or CGM first, CGM first Dexcom first, how long were you wearing? Dexcom before you went on the pot,

Eoin 14:31
I think it was like two or three months so it wasn't long

Scott Benner 14:34
pretty quickly. Okay. How do you know about these things? Your mom you do research online. The doctors talk to you about it. Doctors

Eoin 14:41
and research. Not my mom. Yeah, so like the first endocrinologist I had I really didn't like him. And like, I don't know, I just it didn't I didn't feel like he really cared or like was very involved. But I've been seeing in there were a couple in between And that also were duds. But I've been with the same endo for like, four years now. And she's just amazing. I love her. She's out of University of Chicago health system. And yeah, and she would she was, she was a big part in like, kind of getting me like, the five nominee pot five. And then like, before that she would always, like bring up when she would talk about like, when it was the Omnipod. Horizon. She brought that up to me. So I mean, yeah, me, mostly her and like, just my own research.

Scott Benner 15:35
Oh, and what makes a good endocrinologist versus one that you didn't enjoy being with?

Eoin 15:41
My current one? I don't know. She's just like, very sweet and like, like, mother, like, I don't know what to how to describe it, like nurturing. And like, when I meet with her, you know, we'll go over the, like, the gluco free month printout and like, find trouble areas. I mean, it's hard to say

Scott Benner 16:05
and he's it more of a vibe, then then you just Yeah, yeah. You just sort of get along with this one. In a good way versus some in the past that you haven't. Yeah,

Eoin 16:14
might not even I think it really comes down to that. Okay.

Scott Benner 16:18
Yeah, not even so much maybe about knowledge. It's maybe more about style, personality and stuff like that. Yeah. Yeah. It's

Eoin 16:27
like, knowing that or like, thinking that they care more. Like, I just feel like she cared more than she cares more than like the previous ones. And so I think that's like, that's a big, she

Scott Benner 16:42
gives you a feeling that she's actually invested in you. And it feels like a personal relationship. Yeah, yes. Okay. That makes sense. Do you feel like she has more knowledge than you about diabetes? Yeah,

Eoin 16:57
I definitely think there haven't. There hasn't been like a moment with her where she's like, kind of said something that I was like, ah, like, that's not really how it goes. And like, like, if you were actually diabetic, like, I think she really understands what it's like.

Scott Benner 17:13
Excellent. That's really great. And is that dumb luck? You just kind of fell into this one.

Eoin 17:18
Yeah, it was, well, I was really looking around at this point. Because I was seeing one in the suburbs, I was living in the city and, like, go to the suburbs. And so I was like, pretty new to find one in the city. And so I took my time finding her. And, yeah, I actually have an appointment later this month. And it's, I had to like cancel my last one, because I had this appointment scheduled before I had a new job. And so it's been like six months since I've seen the Endo. So that's great.

Scott Benner 17:48
Tell me again, what you went to college for?

Eoin 17:52
Biomedical Engineering,

Scott Benner 17:53
you're doing research, but what is that, like entail? Well,

Eoin 17:57
the research I was doing right out of college was at in a lab at Northwestern, they were like a skeletal, and like cardiac muscle tissue lab. And I was doing like a lot of wet lab experiments. So like, you know, taking tissues from a mouse with muscular dystrophy, because that's like a musculoskeletal disease. And, like, you know, we would give some of the mice like a drug that would hopefully rebuild the muscle, and then like, another group, like, wouldn't have that. So you know, it was like, taking the tissues or muscle muscles from them. And then like, breaking that all down. And then like, analyzing using assays, like, we saw this much more growth, when we gave them this drug. And then like, we didn't see anyone who gave them this. So it was a lot, a lot of like, pipetting, what lab bench stuff, but my current job, it's a medical device company. And so they specialize in like vital sign monitoring. And it's using these like non invasive sensors. I can show you turn my camera Oh. So it's just like a small so this is the adhesive right here, right? And there's like two electrodes on the back part of it. So it can measure ECG, heart rate, respiratory rate, there's a temperature sensor in there. So it can measure core body temperature, and like an accelerometer so it can measure like step count. Soon it will be able to like detect falls. So there's a lot that they can do. Where does that go on your on your chest? Yeah, so like right in the center, right? Like underneath your like where your collarbones okay.

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Eoin 20:49
So like I'm the clinical researcher, so like if if they like want to change something on the sensor aisle has to be like validated to make sure that now these changes are actually going to benefit the sensor. So like, I have to like conduct the studies and like compile the data, give the data to whoever. But I've like always been into technology, like my whole life. I remember as a kid, like as probably like an eight year old asking Santa for like a computer. And my parents were like, Okay, you're crazy. It's kind of a good mix of like, hands on sort of like research and then like working with this technology. And like, there's also like, a big part of the sensors, the adhesive. So, you know, I've definitely been handling adhesives for a while now. So I think that's kind of why they hired me was the kind of exposure I've had to this kind of stuff to like the work I do, I really, really like it. I don't know, the sensors are just so cool. They have their own app. So like right now they're FDA approved for clinical research use. And so we're working towards like hospital, like low acuity monitoring. So like, for example, like not the ICU. But like if you know, someone has like outpatient, like, recovering for like, you know, three hours or so it's kind of that application, but there's also so that there's the chest sensor, and then there's a limb sensor. So it's like a wireless pulse oximeter. And so they all connect to each other and will display on an app, the app that is displaying all the data is designed to look like a bedside monitor like panel, giving all of the like information, and like clear, easy to read way. And so then we also have like a small one. Super small sensor. That's strictly motion.

Scott Benner 22:51
So yeah, what is that? Like? Maybe an inch, inch and a half long?

Eoin 22:56
Yeah, yeah, it's probably like an inch long. Oh, but so there's like a lot of applications for this, the accelerometer in it is so high frequency and sensitive that it can detect like, heart rate, like the pulse like from your skin beating like, on to it. So like, this is used for like Scratch, detecting scratch events. So like, when you put it on your hand like this, and adhesive there. There's an algorithm to detect like when you're scratching because we've had clients that want to look into like eczema, like people with severe eczema. They're like how much they scratch themselves at night because some some people will like scratch themselves for awe

Scott Benner 23:40
in their sleep.

Eoin 23:42
Yes in their sleep. Wow. And so like they just want to see like how many scratching events like they have a night and then like another part of it was like there's a like a haptic like feedback in here. And so like when it would detect the scratching, it would vibrate, hoping to discourage it. Wow.

Scott Benner 24:03
But that's and these are more clinical use spaces like they're not for personal use yet.

Eoin 24:11
Yeah, they're not for personal use yet. You can also diagnose sleep apnea with it. And I know that is like potentially that's something you could get like a prescription for like a prescription for our kit. And like get it take it home where the sensor and like where the finger clip no cords no wires and then you just start you just you know start collection go to sleep. You don't have to like go in first sleep study where all the like equipment. Yeah,

Scott Benner 24:42
that's crazy. So I went on your intake. You didn't put much but you but you put was interesting. It says you know that you were diagnosed at the age you were diagnosed but then he just says recreational drugs. Well, what did you want to talk about what was said? You said? What are some of the themes you hope to cover juvenile diabetes, recreational drugs, independent management, and I've never been hospitalized. That's what you're

Unknown Speaker 25:15
okay.

Scott Benner 25:18
What made you want to come on the show?

Eoin 25:19
You know what, Scott? I'm gonna I'm going to be completely honest. I just thought it was so annoying how involved you are in Ardens diabetes care? Okay.

Speaker 1 25:31
We should talk about that then. Yeah, yeah, that's kind of what I wanted to talk about.

Eoin 25:36
I mean, it's just because I feel like I've had the complete opposite, like, experience. And I mean, I think I've been fine. Like, I haven't had any episodes. I haven't like passed out. I'm gonna be hospitalized. Right. And so I don't know when like, nowadays my anyone see is like, my last day Wednesday was like, 6.1. Cool. So I don't know. I mean, I feel like when you don't give people that independence, like, how are they going to know what to do when something comes up like that? They don't know. What how to deal with.

Scott Benner 26:11
Do you feel like Arden doesn't have independence?

Eoin 26:13
I mean, no, she has independence. I just think there's like, oversight. That, like, she has, like, you know, you're you I forget what episode this was, but like you were texting her like, like what I said before, like, hey, looks like your blood sugar's dropping. Are you gonna like correct for it? Right. I don't know. Like, I think that's too involved, like you should, like she should like just be monitoring that herself. Like, I don't understand. I don't know, as an 18 year old. I don't like that just seems completely different to me. No, I mean, I mean, it's fantastic that you're like that. And it's I'm not saying it's a bad thing at all. I just think it's different.

Scott Benner 26:57
Different than what you had. Yes. Is there any part of you that wishes that someone was was helping you?

Eoin 27:03
II? I mean, yes. But I don't think I would want as much like micromanaging.

Scott Benner 27:12
So. So I think that's where it's possible that it's lost in translation a little bit, because you hear a thing in an episode of a podcast, and it probably, you can leave that feeling like that's the entirety of my world. Yeah, you know what I mean? And so, I mean, I have, I'm falling Arden on Dexcom, for example. And my alarm is set between 70 and 120. So let me go back. I'm gonna go back 12 hours. And you tell me how many times you think my phone has alarmed. Three, once. And it was while she was in the shower. So her blood sugar always goes up in the shower lately. So it's not even a thing I paid attention to. So she was getting ready to leave to go to college, to drive home, back home back to school, she's got a 700 mile drive to go back to school. She's actually about I don't know now, four or five, she's probably probably around Virginia now. So maybe she's gone maybe 300 miles or something like that. And I haven't, I haven't looked at my pick the phone up to talk to you about it. But I haven't looked at this Dexcom app, since let me see the last time it got my attention. It got my attention at one o'clock in the morning, when she dipped down low for a minute. And other than that, this is the first time I'm looking at it. So it's 330 in the afternoon now, so I haven't looked at this in 14 hours. Right? And so, but if she's off at college or somewhere else, and I get a low alarm, and I mean, that's going to be 70 I take a look at it. If it's just 70 I wouldn't think anything of it. I mean, honestly, I think if it went to 65 I wouldn't think much about it. But if she looked like it was still falling, and it looked dangerous. Dangerous isn't even the right word. If it looked emergent, like it wasn't going to stop falling, then I might send her a text to say hey, are you okay? But other than that, I mean, I don't know it's a thing you could have heard a year ago or two years ago and it's hard to know exactly. I would tell you that I am as disconnected from diabetes management between her and I as you this anyone probably could imagine. But when I'm on here I'm talking about it. So that's I don't know if it doesn't I guess that kind of get excuse that a little bit. Like Like if you don't let's think of someone else who's pod do listen any other podcasts?

Eoin 29:52
No, sir. No, it's yours. Okay, about diabetes at least Yeah,

Scott Benner 29:57
well, even other ones like you know, if you listen to one from a Comedian or something like that, you know, there plenty of times they're not joking around, you just don't hear it, because that's not what they do on their podcast. And that's my assumption, because I don't feel I mean, forget how I feel I don't look in on our diabetes that frequently. I mean, my my extent of my contact with her diabetes in the last four days, even is, I think she sent me a text once and said, Hey, could you throw a juice in here? Because she was on a call with somebody, and she couldn't get off the call. And she asked me to fill our pump this morning, while she was running around, like putting stuff in her car, she's like, Hey, you fill that pot, I have to put a pod on before I go. And I think that's pretty much it. But anyway, I take your point that when I also, this is not the first time somebody's brought it up to me. And listen, I don't know, right? Because this is me assuming people from, you know, just talking to them. But I've either heard people who had a hard time when they were kids, and no one helped them. And they almost feel like I wish someone would have helped me. Or there are those people who are a little older. And they've really persevered through something. And believe that that perseverance has taught them something and then think if other people aren't thrown into that fire. They don't get to have the outcome. I just think there are a lot of different ways to get to the outcome is my I guess that would be my put my opinion on it. Yeah, yeah. So definitely. But that's fine. You just want to come on here to say that to me.

Eoin 31:29
I mean, no, that wasn't the only thing.

Scott Benner 31:31
I know you have drugs?

Eoin 31:35
I know, I don't know exactly what recreational drugs, I meant.

Scott Benner 31:40
You don't know which ones you meant, or now that you're being recorded? You don't know which ones you want to admit. So

Eoin 31:46
you know, I don't know if I'm going to answer that. No, no, probably just like, like occasional marijuana use. I have like noticed that whenever if my blood sugar is like, normal, or let's say it's like slightly falling. But like not falling to where I'm like worried about it. After I will smoke, it will like drop. And so like if it was falling is going to just fall even more. And I just think in terms of like, I think it has to do like insulin sensitivity. Like when you

Scott Benner 32:22
become so you think you become more sensitive? Is there any chance that you have a low lying level of stress or anxiety most of the time that gets taken away? And then you're not being your blood sugar's not being pushed up by adrenaline and anxiety, that kind of thing?

Eoin 32:37
Okay, well, now that you say that, I have never thought about that. But that very well. Could also does your blood sugar thing that goes into it? Does it fall in the shower? No.

Scott Benner 32:49
Do you find showers very relaxing? Do you think in the shower? Oh, yeah. Yeah. So maybe that's not a relaxing? Shower? So if you say so my thought would be, I don't know how we would make you more insulin sensitive. But I can see how if you were and this isn't top of my mind right now, by the way, because it's back to school right now, while we're recording this, and the number of posts that I'm seeing on the Facebook group, from people whose children are going back to school and they're like, oh, kids, blood sugar is going up in the morning. And as soon as like, that makes sense to me, because they're either super excited to go to school, or super anxious about school or don't want to be there. But they're probably having some sort of a visceral reaction that's pushing their blood sugar up. And then a lot of people will see that pass after the first couple of weeks of school when they kind of settle in. And then some people don't like I can tell you that there was an amount of insulin when Arden was in high school. There was an amount of insulin she needed throughout the day in school to keep her blood sugar down where it was, but almost exactly 15 minutes, 20 minutes after school was over and whatever pressure came from school. Once that was gone, she had to eat something, because all of that insulin that we needed throughout the day to hold down that, you know, adrenaline stress, anxiety spike. It suddenly was still left there, but her stress and anxiety lessen, and boom, her blood sugar would fall. So you had about 20 minutes after school was over for her to eat something every day. And then it was fine throughout the rest of the night. It's just her and she didn't need as much basil when she wasn't in school is interesting, actually.

Eoin 34:30
Yeah, it's cortisone. That's gonna. The cortisol.

Scott Benner 34:37
Yeah, cortisone. What's he gonna He's got good stuff over there you are you injected cortisone. That'll push your blood sugar up by

Eoin 34:44
the way cortisone, Jesus. Oh, yeah. These steroids.

Scott Benner 34:48
Have you ever had one of those shots? No. Arden just got one last month in her shoulder. She has some inflammation in her shoulder and they gave her a cortisone shot. And man, I'm not kidding you like it did not take an hour for her blood sugar to start going up. And yeah, and then it needed. I want to say like 30% more insulin maybe more for like two and a half days, almost three days. That's really something and then you could watch the tail off and and it was kind of back to normal. If not one quick injection it was it was kind of crazy, actually. Yeah, it is. Yeah. Do you know anybody else who has diabetes?

Eoin 35:28
Yeah, yeah, I have a couple. Well, I have one friend, I guess. One die of St. We live right by each other. We've been friends since like high school. But like when I was diagnosed, we weren't like, she was a year older than me. So like she was out of school. And I like didn't really know she was until like later in life, now that we like live by each other. So we like, share, you know, supplies whenever like one of us needs to. And it's weird. Like every time we hang out, our blood sugar's will be like the same. And we'll like compare. So she's like a nutritionist. And I'll like calibrate with her. I'll be like, Okay, wait. So this. So what would you give for like this, like this, like this meal? And she would. And what I'm trying to say is that we would both be. What I'm trying to say is that my carb counting is good. Because Miss nutritionist is always like, right where I'm guessing that. So like, it's nice to have, like a friend like that where you can kind of like really dive in to like each other's data. Right? Yeah.

Scott Benner 36:43
And just check against each other. Like what do you how many carbs? Do you think this is? Or do you like Bolus for the fat and this or not? Or do you get involved in that like Bolus thing for fat and protein in your food?

Eoin 36:55
Yeah, so like if I'm gonna be eating like a high fat meal, like pasta pizza, I'm gonna well since the five doesn't have extent Bolus. I'll just like give an additional like Bolus after after like some of the mealtime insulin that I took kind of like, went away.

Scott Benner 37:14
Yeah, you almost Pre-Bolus The fat rice that's coming. Yeah. What's that? About? Like an hour into the meal?

Eoin 37:21
Yeah, I would, I would honestly say like, maybe a little bit more than an hour? is when I'll see it. Because I would I usually do expect it like around an hour after the meal. But I'm always waiting for it.

Scott Benner 37:34
More like not could be like, I mean, I usually see with people like hour, 90 minutes, like in that space somewhere. But you still have to get the insulin in time to catch it. Or then you're, then you're chasing it and it's high. You can't get it back anyway. Yeah. Let's, and where did you learn to do all that? Is that just trial and error from having diabetes for this long? Yeah, it's excellent.

Eoin 37:55
I mean, I yeah, I haven't had any. I had a diabetes educator when I like was first diagnosed. But then like, for some reason, insurance doesn't cover that question mark. Like when I at least when probably like, six years or seven years ago, at this point, we had to like pay for it. And it was expensive. So it was like, Well, I'm just gonna, like, do this on my own. But you know, it's been fine. No,

Scott Benner 38:24
it sounds like it's going really well. Actually. I mean, six months? Yeah, no, yeah. No, I'm

Eoin 38:28
like, like, I just feel so that I knew a couple other diabetics in high school, and I weren't really friends with them. And I just feel like I have a completely different diabetic life than they do. Like, I just feel like I'm way more in control and like not, I don't know, bouncing everywhere. I don't have any other like complications. And so I know like, I know, that's like not everyone's case. I'm definitely lucky to have a lacks diabetes experience so far. Knock on wood.

Scott Benner 39:00
Definitely knock on wood. Yeah. Do you think that's just because you took it? So seriously, when you were younger? Yeah,

Eoin 39:10
definitely. I mean, my mom, she always says like, if one of my kids were to get diabetes, like it's best for Ellen, because she thinks I'm like the most responsible and like, proactive child. I have. I'm like the oldest of four. And so I mean, she's kinda I mean, maybe, right? Yeah, I just, I feel like I just care for it more.

Scott Benner 39:35
You said early in the beginning, you didn't ask much. So was there a moment that kind of drew you towards doing better or an age something in your life?

Eoin 39:44
Yeah, I think like, halfway through college. I definitely like kind of noticed that I just wasn't feeling like as great all the time. I was a little groggy. I was always stressed. So like, I could literally I would literally make my blood sugar like rise, if, if I like saw it going down, I would, I would try to stress myself out and I swear, I would like be able to bring my blood sugar up. And this was like pre Omnipod. Five. Yeah, just by like, stressing. Well,

Scott Benner 40:18
I have to tell you when Arden was first diagnosed, and she was a little, little kid, like three, I think this story is from when she was maybe three or four years old. And that's going back like 1314 years ago, I realized that if she was getting low, and I couldn't get her to drink something that I could actually pick a fight with her. And like, piss her off a little bit, like almost get into a little argument, and it would catch the low and bring it back. So I think you're talking about the same thing. I actually think you're saying the exact same thing. Yeah, that was it happened the first time by mistake. Oh, and it was just like, you know, this like begging, drink this please. That turned into, like, yelling that turned into her yelling back and being upset. And then I was like, oh my god, it stopped the below. And then there was a handful. There's a handful of times that if we couldn't get her to eat, we would just engage her like that and try to just get him riled up a little bit. And it would stop it. I mean, we didn't do it much longer after she was older, and she could understand a little better. But it saved just once or twice. I'm not gonna lie. That's really interesting. You said that? Yeah. I mean, what is it? I mean, 26. Right. So I don't know how dating is. I'm pretty old. So I don't know how it goes anymore. But But do you? When you're dating? Or if you are? Do you share this with people? If so, how soon into a relationship? Like, what's your level of expectation from them about diabetes?

Eoin 41:46
Yeah, I'm like, not a I would rather like they know. And I like don't care, talking about it, explaining it to them. But in my experience, like, it's been fine. People kind of find it. People that I've at least gone out with, have found it cool. I guess, like not cool. But like, interesting, at least. Yeah, interesting. You know, I have all this stuff for it. Do

Scott Benner 42:10
you go? Do you go into any of the I mean, I guess it depends on how long you're around somebody, right? But like, if you're just if you're just on a first date, you're not going to tell somebody like, Hey, I might pass out here. If my blood sugar gets low, that's not gonna happen. But like, you don't give him that kind of heads up, I imagine. No,

Eoin 42:25
I wouldn't give them that. I mean, like, if it came up or something, or if they like, saw me, they like saw sensor on me. Like i i wouldn't bring it up like just naturally. If it was like part of the conversation, somehow, like, maybe I would? I mean, I have I don't think it's I don't think it's wrong to say that, like, Sure, upon first date. It's just, I wouldn't, and it's like situational. I would say 100%?

Scott Benner 42:51
Have you been in a longer relationship? Do you start to tell them more? Or do they start to ask more? What do you what do you find?

Eoin 43:01
Well, they, they definitely noticed more, I would say as like time goes by. Because you know, like, you can try to teach like them how to like, use the PDM or like, refill a pod. I mean, you can't really like you can tell them all this stuff, but until they like see it and observe it for themselves, like they're really not going to understand. So in my experience, I think it's just taking time for them to like, learn more and notice more, as with like, my friends, of course to like, they definitely can tell like, when I'm low. At least that's an easy one. Yeah, I actually dated this diabetic for a little bit. And it was a little crazy. But just another example of someone who had a definite, like harder diabetic life, then like, then I like struggle a little bit. So it kind of felt bad. But did

Scott Benner 44:01
that lead you to try to help them? Were they not interested? Did they not see it as different? or in need of help? I

Eoin 44:09
think yeah, I mean, I would, of course, like, help out in any way I could. I think there was like insurance issues like happening with them and like, like, possibly like other mental health stuff that definitely doesn't like definitely doesn't help you out. diabetes, but

Scott Benner 44:28
is that incredibly awkward? I mean, when you start seeing it, you think, Oh, they're whatever they're doing or not doing and you think, Oh, I wish they knew or like, do you feel like it's okay to say something or did that not occur to you to do just kind of keep quiet about it or just talk to them? No,

Eoin 44:48
I would talk to him. I mean, yeah, I mean, it really depends on what it is. If it's like something kind of like, serious. Like, I probably wouldn't really be as like forward, like as like suggesting something but like little things and like little habits like that, you know, they could be talking about that I like find wrong or like they could be doing something differently. Like definitely I would like, give a little suggestion. But, I mean, I definitely voiced my opinion and like a hopefully respectful way. Yeah,

Scott Benner 45:24
I imagine what do you think it was uncomfortable for them to see you doing? Better?

Eoin 45:29
Possibly? I don't know. I don't I don't know if that thought went through their mind, honestly. Because like, I don't like there wasn't a point where we like really compared, like, our giant, like, I don't know, like our intimate like data sort of like,

Scott Benner 45:47
so it kind of it kind of stayed more like, on the surface. But you notice your a Pre-Bolus thing, and they're not or something like that. And like that you get you see a spike and they don't do anything, that kind of thing. Yeah, that's up. I mean, was it upsetting to you? Did it impact me? He said there were other issues. But did it impact the relationship? Or were you able to let them do their thing and not bother how you felt about them?

Eoin 46:15
I feel like it did kind of impact our relationship. I don't know. She was like moving. So it'll kind of there were like other things that went into it. So I met her on hinge. And one of her like prompts was, it was like the insulin pump stays on during sex, or was the insulin pump like comes off during sex or something? And so of course, I like commented on that. And I was like, Oh, well, not for me. I have an omni pod. And then it kind of just started from there. Yeah.

Scott Benner 46:49
That's a good hey, listen, you got to find a flirtation, somehow. That's as good as any.

Eoin 46:53
I know. Yeah. I'm gonna use whatever I can get.

Scott Benner 46:58
Like, this ain't easy game. Well, it's gotta be even more difficult now. Right? Because people work from home so much. Do you work out of your home ever?

Eoin 47:08
Not often, but like I can. Yeah. It's tough

Scott Benner 47:12
to meet people. If everybody's working from home or not going out after work. It's the rare Do you meet people as you get to be older? You know, it's tough.

Eoin 47:21
I know. Yeah, it is because I'm not someone to just go to a bar and like, have a drink. Like, I don't have a neighborhood bar that I go to. So I mean, I guess not that I would want to meet someone at a bar. I mean, whatever. I don't really care, I guess. But I don't know. It is hard to meet people like as an adult, even in like a city. But it's like, I feel like you just have to like go out. You have to like do things you have to like, join clubs, sports, rec sports leagues, like it's a

Scott Benner 47:56
lot. It really is. Yeah,

Unknown Speaker 47:57
I did a lot.

Scott Benner 47:58
I was graduating from high school. Um, I remember an older cousin telling me he just left the last place. It's easy to meet girls. That's what he told me when I left. And I was like, what? And then I thought, Oh, he's right. Yeah, it's tough man. I just the meeting people part is not forget the like, romantic side of it is, you know, another level, but it's hard to me, especially in your work all day and you're tired. And it's not like you're like you're full of like Vim and Vigor at like six o'clock, right. You're hungry and you gotta get home and you gotta get up again in the morning. It's, it's a grind. I think that's why they call it a grind.

Eoin 48:34
Yeah. I really love the grind.

Scott Benner 48:38
Yeah, I'm sure you do. So tell me something about the jobs you applied for with some of the diabetes companies. Do you think you were just too young you didn't have enough experience? Or why do you think they weren't a thing come back to you?

Eoin 48:53
Yeah, I think I didn't have enough experience at the time. And they want like more than a bachelor's degree. So I mean, I kind of realized that a Bachelor's degree in Biomedical Engineering like really gets you nothing. And like biomedical engineering as a major is like stupid because you so BME you you're I took like chemical engineering classes, mechanical engineering classes, electrical engineering, computer engineering. I say chemical engineering, chemical engineering. So like, you're taking all of these classes in the different disciplines of engineering, and you're taking like the first course first or second course. So it's like, your, your what is the phrase? Like? Nowhere or like, like master of none.

Scott Benner 49:47
Oh, hold on a second. Jack of all trades, master of none. Yeah, that's the one right?

Eoin 49:56
That's exactly what it is. Okay. And that kind of leaves you Like, with little knowledge and like all of these different fields, and like, of course, there's like the core biomedical engineering, which was like, physiology like measuring things happening in the body, like flow rates through like the kidneys or like, the amount of force, like the heart is like pumping out, or like the pressure, like, going against like all of your, like blood vessels. So it was like quantitative is very quantitative physiology is how I would describe it. Yeah, don't don't do biomedical engineering kids do something else.

Scott Benner 50:39
Oh, and here's the thing, I've never once spoken to a college graduate who said to me, I loved my major, it was the greatest thing to do. Everyone always goes, Oh, what a waste of time, I shouldn't have done that. I'm not ready to do anything, blah, blah. It's a, that's the, that really, I mean, my son's younger than you, he's 23. He's only been out of college for like, a year or so. But I mean, he's, like, right now at a job where he's like, I gotta move on. He goes, I've gotten everything I can get out of this already. And, you know, he's like, so I gotta take this experience that I have, and Bill and take it somewhere else and build on it again. He's like, if I stay here, this is the thing I'll do for the rest of my life. You know, and, and he's like, there's not that much room for advancement here, etc. And so he's already thinking that direction, it sounds like you are as well. I think the truth is, well, I don't know about nowadays, but in the past, college was supposed to be a measure of your ability to learn, like, Can I throw something new it Oh, and, and they, and he gets it, and then he can apply it later, they used to pick a lot of different majors that way, like, this is a difficult thing that we really don't need this person to know that much about, but it does prove they can read a lot of information, retain it and stick it back out again, right? So so then you got to know that about yourself. And, you know, trust me, you know, where you're really going to learn is that work? In my

Eoin 52:03
job 100%. There were things in the lab, the last lab that I worked in, that I was like, learn actually learning how to do in that lab that I remember learning about in school, but it was like, we read about it, we didn't actually do it. And like it's completely different. Read about something and how it's done. Rather than like doing

Scott Benner 52:27
it. Yeah, it leaves you feeling very unsure. When you're when you're moving into the world, right? Because, yeah, yes, I took this class, I think I understood it, I got a good grade, etc. But I don't know what you do with this thing. Like, I don't like I have this thing. Now. I don't know what the world wants from me, in regards to it. And that's me, I was the heart that was the leap for my son, I was like, you know, you got to just take that job and go in there and have a little confidence.

Eoin 52:57
Fake it till you make it.

Scott Benner 52:59
Listen, learn and repeat and then see if you can learn some more and meet people. And it's a whole, you know, it's almost like it's a little politicking. And it's a little bit of, you know, a lot of a lot of a little things that I think that it's another one of those kind of falsehoods that we we tell each other like where you'll go to college, and when you come out, you'll be a thing. And that's true for some people, like some people go to nursing school, and they come out and they're a nurse. And you know, but that's almost more I've got the wrong phrase in my head. I don't mean blue collar. I mean, like a functional job, like you learn to do a thing. And then you go do that, like you physically accomplish that thing. When you're in a business like the one you're in, or the one my kids looking at, or something like that. There's 1000 things happening. They're just looking for someone to understand some of it, get it done. You know, like it's a it's a really interesting, it's not what you expect when you go into college. That's, that's for certain. No,

Eoin 54:00
it's really not like I was not prepared to go out into the workforce from college. No, it's all a scam truly is like, if I were to do it over, I would go to like a trade school joining union. And I'd be making, like, over 100k at this point.

Scott Benner 54:19
Do you think there's a thing out there that you would enjoy doing that doesn't involve your degree? Yeah,

Eoin 54:23
nothing like technical, I would say like, I love photography and like videography. I love like film and TV. So like, honestly, if I were to like do something else, it would be in that. But okay, I really do like this field. I mean, I wanted to be in like the medical, medical industry, medical device industry and like the company that I'm at, they're, I guess you could say their startup, but they're in like, in no way struggling for money. Okay, so there's like, there's a lot of upward growth for me here too. And so that's really what I'm But I'm happy about because my last job it was like stagnant never work, academia, academia sucks. It's got a toxic environment and like, it's like a dick measuring contest.

Scott Benner 55:16
But about how smart you are. Yeah.

Eoin 55:18
Or like, you know, how many papers have you published are like, no, no. Yeah,

Scott Benner 55:25
I think the key. I mean, honestly, like, it's obvious, right? The key is to do something that you enjoy. That is fulfilling somehow. And I mean, that's not an easy thing to do, I'll tell you that. I count myself as incredibly lucky that I that I do a thing that I enjoy, that I appear to be good at. And that that pays bills. Like, I mean, and it helps people like who? Like, that's a, I mean, I don't usually talk like this. But that's a blessing. Like, how many times do you get to do something where you help somebody you know, and? Yeah,

Eoin 56:00
I mean, it doesn't get better than that. No, it's

Scott Benner 56:02
very, it's very random that works out like, like, if you sat me down and said, You have to tell me how you did this? I don't know. I don't know if I could explain to you. The Unity mean, like, I don't I think that's the same for everybody. I think everybody ends up where they end up. Partially because they, they moved themselves in that direction, and just just wouldn't stop. And partially because the tide takes you where it takes you. You know, it's a little Max, I think. But yeah, I have dude, I have no idea. I have no answers.

Eoin 56:39
I really don't have any either. Just as time and effort. Really?

Scott Benner 56:45
Yeah, you gotta just you. I mean, when people are successful, they often say things like, I just like, you know, I don't think you manifest anything. I think it's kind of bold when people say that, but there's part of it that's true, is that you got to get up every day with a singular focus and do a thing. And, you know, pick up the hammer and swing it hard. Like, you know what I mean? Like, that's no doubt I made this podcast for a long time. And I didn't make you know, anything. And hardly anybody was listening to it. It's, you know, I mean, honestly, man, like I've said this a couple times on here, but the first year, I made the podcast, like 365 days, that podcast had as many downloads in that first 365 days as it had yesterday. Like, I am not kidding. All right. Like, I believe, that's a hard boy that they ended up first year, you're like, What did I just spend 12 months of my life on? Like, yeah, people like it, and they're telling me that they're like, you know, they enjoy everything I'm like, but if this doesn't grow, like, I mean, I don't know what to do, like, a lot of time, you know, next year doubled and doubled again. And then I was like, oh, maybe it's just gonna keep doubling. And you know, like, and then and it kept growing and growing. And I was, like, are right on, you know, like, and to me, that's an indication that people are hearing it and vibing with it enough to share it with somebody else. So and that there, dude, you think it's hard to go to a job and get help? I have zero feedback. I make I make all of my decisions based on numbers that clicked by me every day. And that's, that's the only thing I can use to guide myself. I

Eoin 58:25
mean, you've made it this far. So you've done something right,

Scott Benner 58:29
given up now, man, I think I got I got, I got a handle on it now. But, but it's, but it's just like, at any time along there. I guess my bigger point was, if I would have quit in the first four years, I don't know that anybody could have blamed me. You know, like, it's a lot of work. And there's very little return as far as listen, if if you could put a pot of gold next to me and I could pick out of it when the when the electric bill came, then I'd sit here and make this podcast all day for free. And I giggle about it. You don't I mean, but you got you got to pay a bill at some point. So it's hard man. Like, I don't know. And by the same token, when I hear people talking, like my son talking about the jobs, he's looking for whatever, there's part of me that's like, I would not be good at that. I'm not good at thinking about, like, if you made me a thing. I'd be that thing every day for the rest of my life. That's hard. That's a hard thing for me to swallow.

Eoin 59:24
Yeah, you can't mold yourself to what society wants you to be Scott.

Scott Benner 59:30
Oh, and it's a ridiculous thought. I'm 52. But I am a bit of a free spirit when it comes to stuff like this. Like I just, I swear to you, I had a I don't know how old I was middle school, going to high school. And on the last day of school, the guidance counselor kind of pulled me into a doorway. And he says I have I've always wanted to tell you I thought you'd make a good attorney. And I looked at him. I mean, I was in ninth grade. How old was I? You know? Amen. And, and and I said, but my only response was Thank you. But then I'd be an attorney every day. And he, I think he looked at me like, Oh, this one's dumb, and I didn't realize it, you know, and like, and he's like, and I kind of walked away from him and wished him a good, like happy summer or something. But I don't think he knew what I meant. i What I meant was, I don't think I could do that. Forget being an attorney. Like, I don't think I could do the same thing every day for the rest of my life. That seems hard. Anyway, so now I make a pot. I'm a grown man who has a podcast. Can you imagine my tax return says podcast or on it? When it does?

Eoin 1:00:38
That is so funny. It's very interesting.

Scott Benner 1:00:43
The the gentleman that does Mike, my taxes makes me sound fancy. I'm not fancy. But but the guy that does my taxes. He'll tell me every like, every couple years, they'll say, I work with another influencer. And I'm like, and I always say like, I don't think of myself that way. I'm like, But don't call me. That's a weird word. But okay. Tell me your story. You know. And the other one is always there's a lady who does reviews of kitchen appliances. And I go, I always go, that's interesting. And it sounds like he's never said, I want to be clear. He's never said, but he made it sound like there's a small fortune in that game. And I was like, Wait, I don't understand because like, they'll send her a refrigerator. Then she'll review it. And I'm like, okay, and then she puts up her videos and makes her money off her videos. And I'm like, right. And then she sells the refrigerator. I was like, God, she gets a free refrigerator that she sells the free for. I think this is

Eoin 1:01:45
what you can't sell anything on this. Can you?

Scott Benner 1:01:47
What What am I gotta sell the I mean, I need the microphone. I only have a microphone in the computer. I got nothing left. And I good. You

Eoin 1:01:56
could make like a master class or something or like consult for like us. You don't have a podcast, any credential,

Scott Benner 1:02:03
no credentials. What am I gonna do? Come talk to Scott, you almost got through high school with no trouble. Someone's

Eoin 1:02:10
got to give you an honorary degree from somewhere. And

Scott Benner 1:02:13
now we're on to something. Now. I like the way you're thinking. Okay. Before you're a little judgy about the helicopter anything. But now I like you. I think you're right on.

Eoin 1:02:24
Yeah, I'm sorry, that might have come off a

Scott Benner 1:02:26
little you didn't come off at all or anything like that. You're not nearly the first person to say it to me. So I was happy to talk about don't think anything about it. But yeah, you're right. I need to I need an institution. Alright. Right. So I'm willing to speak at a graduation for an honorary degree. Is that what I'm supposed to say out loud? Right.

Eoin 1:02:42
Yeah. Hopefully someone hears that can make that happen. And then

Scott Benner 1:02:46
I'll just write doctor in front of my name. I'll do that thing like Dr. Phil can't really be. Now I'm searching Dr. Phil. Maybe he is a doctor. I don't know. But that's all I need. I mean, listen, if I'm being honest with you, I have thought that at the end of this, whenever the end of this comes, that it might be an interesting idea to put a like a diabetes masterclass together. And you know, once the podcast dies, I mean, it's gotta go. You know, I mean, it's the ninth year, every year, I say, this has got to be it. And then every year, it gets more downloads. So I don't know, like, but it's got to stop eventually. And when it does, I thought maybe that would be a nice thing to leave behind. But, you know, I don't I don't plan did I'm not good at planning ahead. So yeah. All I can tell you is, is that this little counter here, tells me that in the next day or so, I am going to achieve my 14 million download.

Eoin 1:03:47
Oh my god. Yeah.

Scott Benner 1:03:49
And trust me the first four years weren't helping a lot towards that number.

Eoin 1:03:56
Was minuscule? Yeah.

Scott Benner 1:03:58
This year? Best guess I should do 6 million this year. Wow. Yeah. So it's like,

Eoin 1:04:06
population of a big city? Well,

Scott Benner 1:04:10
it's a it's it's enough to, to help people and to let it grow. Like, but the numbers aside, like, like, I can look at people trying to come into the private Facebook group, for example. And they'll tell you where they heard about the podcast or the Facebook group as part of the intake and you're in that group, actually. Oh, yeah. And so it's really cool to hear that people are being sent in by their physicians, by their children's hospitals by each other. It's very, very you know, I was talking to a nurse practitioner, I interviewed a girl the other day she said that her the CDE was just, you know, where she got all her help from so the endos in there talking, talking, talking and not saying anything. And they said no, no walks out of the room and the CD, the CD, the CD turns to her and And she just looks you in the eye and she goes, Listen to me, don't forget this juicebox podcast.com

Eoin 1:05:07
I mean, really, though, like, I started listening to this, like, after I, like had all these habits, if I would have gotten if I would have heard all of this, like, a long time ago, it would have been spectacular. Because I didn't know that there's just so much that goes into it that your endocrinologist or like CDE, like, doesn't get, you know, and helps to really hear people's own experiences with whether they you know, they have a child with diabetes, like they have diabetes. I don't know, it just, you know, I think knowledge is power and like, the more people I mean, I guess this is nosy, but like, the more I know about like, someone's like diabetic life, I have a lot more to go off of if something happens to me and like, you know, no, no, I heard this from there or whatever.

Scott Benner 1:06:03
It's information you can try to apply to yourself, and help yourself with it's fantastic. It's one of the things I was hoping to do when I started the podcast. It's amazing, actually cheese after the way, the way so it's interesting. Oh, and you're, you're like an enigma a little bit. You know that about yourself?

Eoin 1:06:19
I have been, I've been told that.

Scott Benner 1:06:23
So, so I am reading you correctly. That's excellent. Because there's a part of me that like for a little bit, I was like, He's gonna yell at me. And then and then. And then you didn't know I think we had a lovely conversation. And now here, we're at the end. And you're like, I listened to this podcast. And I was like, God, I partially part of me thought like, you didn't listen to this. So that was interesting. Because I, I do talk to people that have never heard, like, I've talked to people who've never heard the podcast. And anyway, sometimes those are really interesting conversations, and I enjoy them a lot. But I thought for sure you are going to be like, like I don't I don't listen, you're silly podcasts got.

Eoin 1:07:06
The last one I listened to was when you were suggesting the like bright or bright ideas and landmines book. I forget. I forget who was on it, like in what's his name or something.

Scott Benner 1:07:18
But oh, my gosh, I know his name. Hold on a second. I'm insulted. I'm insulting him to not know his name. Or I'm gonna look just hasn't been on it a while. Oh,

Eoin 1:07:29
yeah. Adam Brown or brown? Yes.

Scott Benner 1:07:31
I'm sorry, Adam, it took me that long to come up with your name. Again. You go back and listen to the older ones, too.

Eoin 1:07:39
Yeah, I mean, I'll just go back and kind of like read the descriptions. No offense to parents, but usually when it's like a parent, like the child has diabetes, I don't know. I don't really listen to those as much. But yeah,

Scott Benner 1:07:55
they go. And we can dig into that for a second if you want. You know, I mean, I'm making an assumption. But it sounds like you're pissed that your mom didn't help you with your diet. You don't want to hear from ladies who are helping their kids with their diabetes.

Eoin 1:08:09
You know what Scott, you went, you might have just unlocked something. And prior therapists have just not been able to do

Scott Benner 1:08:16
you can send over send over your copay. But I I listened to you would not nearly be the first adult who I've spoken to, who got thrown into the fire, and didn't come out of it as well as they had hoped, want very much to believe that the fight was worth having. And so they think that the way they did it was the best way. But somewhere not that far under the surface. There's a little kid inside of them that needed help, and they didn't get helped and it hurts. So, you know, I think that's not an uncommon story. So I'm not saying that's yours, but it's definitely not an uncommon story.

Eoin 1:08:56
I mean, you could Well, I mean,

Scott Benner 1:08:58
I've been doing this a long time. I had to figure it out like 45 minutes ago, but I think it's insulting to just lay it out that early on there's a reason 14 million times this thing's been downloaded. I love you. Oh, and this has been terrific. You have from the beginning. Your name is not spelled Owen. Le Yeah.

Unknown Speaker 1:09:25
That's a good little PSA. You

Scott Benner 1:09:27
jumped on and you were like by names? Oh, and I'm the voice. Am I a headwind? No, it isn't.

Eoin 1:09:33
Well, you know what, kudos to you for still pronouncing it as ln because most of the time, some, like, if someone hears my name, I'll talk to them. They'll say it fine. But then once they read it, they'll start calling me like Ian or something. Oh,

Scott Benner 1:09:46
how am I have it? I have it written down in front of me. Phonetically like, cuz I was 1,000% Sure I was gonna call you in. So I just like I wrote it down while I was as soon as I started. But ya know, Oh, it's funny. Like, I swear to you that little comic voice in my head was like, I don't think he knows his name.

Unknown Speaker 1:10:06
I didn't like this guy. Like, it was like,

Scott Benner 1:10:08
some weird club kid thing. What am I going to find out? While I'm talking to this guy? Literally, I couldn't figure it out.

Eoin 1:10:15
I never know what you're gonna get into.

Scott Benner 1:10:16
It's hilarious. Is there anything that I didn't bring up that I should have? Because I need to wrap up, but I just wanted to make sure we don't miss anything.

Eoin 1:10:23
No, I mean, honestly, I guess I kind of want to show you my tattoo. I have like one. Like, is it an engine? What is the check engine light? I'm really into cars. You see, it's cool. I love cars. And my dad was like a was a sheetmetal worker and then like, restored cars. And so now he like restores classic cars. So like, I don't know, I've had excellent automobile influence my whole life.

Scott Benner 1:10:50
Check Engine light on there doesn't work. Does it blink when it's going wrong?

Eoin 1:10:53
It's just constantly on I can't I can't get it to turn off.

Scott Benner 1:10:59
Unfortunately, well, and by the way, way to come through in the ninth hour here and the 11th hour, excuse me with a title check. Engine light. Check. I was wondering what we call this one check engine,

Eoin 1:11:13
check engine. Yeah. And then I have this one, too. And

Scott Benner 1:11:17
that's cool. Very nice. Minor, all like Calvin and Hobbes thought into my tattoos, whatever. I do have a big circuit board on my back. Actually. It's all it's old. I don't know. I haven't seen it a long time. I couldn't even begin to tell you what it looks like. I'm not even kidding. There's one time it's it's probably seven by 10. And so I'm sure I've told this story. So I'll go through it very quickly. I used to work in a sheetmetal shop. He was just talking

Eoin 1:11:50
about that. Yeah. And

Scott Benner 1:11:51
one of the welders, I heard him yelling curse. And I looked up and usually people get hurt. So you're like, Oh, he's hurt. You know what I mean? Like, like, so I looked up to see what was going on. And I looked up in time to see his radio flying across the room. So boom boxes back then, like just the square plastic things with two speaker girls in the front had a radio and a cassette player. Usually, this thing is, and by the way, electronics used to be really expensive. This is like a $200 item flying across the room back when $200 was a lot of money, not like now, when for some reason go into Mo's and get in a bowl cost 45 bucks. But like,

Eoin 1:12:30
am I wrong? No, you are not.

Scott Benner 1:12:33
I left the grocery store the other day, I felt like an old lady. I was like they are shaking us down for this crap. But anyway. Oh my god, the radios flying across the room. It hits a wall, it explodes. And I remember his name still. I'm like Carl, what happened? He goes that thing. And he starts talking about how it never works. I was like, I don't know if that was the way to handle it. So like he seemed, it seemed like after a moment, he wished he hadn't done that comforting way, I went over to kind of like, clean it up with him. And I picked out off the ground, this Dolby Noise Reduction board that came like flying out of it. And I said, Can I have this? And he goes, why? And I'm like, I'm gonna get this tattooed on my shoulder. And I took that circuit board to a tattoo artist and I was like, hey, tattoo that on my shoulder, and then burn the skin around it. Like it's underneath my skin. Like, like a terminator kind of feeling. You know what I mean? So that was a part I never really gave any consideration to is it's on my shoulder and I can't say it. So once in a while you'll be drying yourself off. I don't know, I have to say you'll it's me. I'm drying myself off and I look in the mirror wrong. And It shocks me. Like I feel like there's Oh my God, I feel like there's something on me and I almost swat at it. Like what the hell and then your brain goes That's a tattoo you got when you were 20 and I'm like, oh, yeah, nevermind. So anyway, that's that's all my thoughts is.

Eoin 1:14:01
Well, you know,

Scott Benner 1:14:02
I do have a tribal of Calvin and Hobbes around my right calf. Do you know Calvin and Hobbes?

Unknown Speaker 1:14:09
I do.

Scott Benner 1:14:12
I have Spaceman Spiff. I have Calvin and Hobbes and the time machine. I have the superhero what was it the scarlet something I have it when he was doing his homework and he would just any would think of himself as a giant walking through the city. And I have the cover of like probably the most famous book where they're sitting next to each I think it's revenge of the baby set. And and I got one on the side of my calf. And then one day realized it didn't look like it was connected to anything. It felt like it was floating on my leg. I don't know what other way to put that. And so I went back to the guy and I was like here I'm gonna give you have like three more images like do one on each side hemisphere of my calf and like tie it together. So anyway, that's a long time ago. I don't have the money or the time or the patience to get a tattoo anymore. I don't think I already get them lasered off. But yeah, well, listen, these are pretty high audible. But But anyway, alright man, do you have a terrific I really appreciate you doing this. Thank you so much. Yeah, no, of course. Thank you. It really was a pleasure to talk to you. Hold on one second for me

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