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Scott Benner 0:00
Hello friends and welcome to episode 1141 of the Juicebox Podcast.

DJ is 52 years old he was originally diagnosed as a type two, and actually remained misdiagnosed for eight years. He's drastically changed his diet, his exercise, and this is his story. Nothing you hear on the Juicebox Podcast should be considered advice, medical or otherwise, always consult a physician before making any changes to your health care plan. Don't forget to save 40% off of your entire order at cozy earth.com All you have to do is use the offer code juice box at checkout that's juice box at checkout to save 40% at cosy earth.com. When you place your first order for ag one with my link, you'll get five free travel packs and a free year supply of vitamin D. Drink ag one.com/juice box. If you are a loved one has type one diabetes, please go to T one D exchange.org. Forward slash juicebox and complete the survey. That's all I need you to do. You will be helping immensely. US residents only takes fewer than 15 minutes to complete T one D exchange.org/juicebox. This episode of The Juicebox Podcast is sponsored by touched by type one touched by type one.org. And find them on Facebook and Instagram touched by type one is an organization dedicated to helping people living with type one diabetes. And they have so many different programs that are doing just that check them out at touched by type one.org. Today's episode of The Juicebox Podcast is sponsored by Dexcom, makers of the Dexcom G seven and G six continuous glucose monitoring systems. dexcom.com/juicebox This show is sponsored today by the glucagon that my daughter carries G voc hypo pen, find out more at G voc glucagon.com. Forward slash juicebox.

D.J. 2:21
My name is DJ. I am 52 years old. And I was diagnosed type one officially in November of this last year. So coming up on one year here in a couple of months.

Scott Benner 2:34
Type point. Okay, but you said officially. So November T one your mind? You're my age, I think you're probably the first guy I've ever talked to is my age. How long were you misdiagnosed

D.J. 2:47
eight years old? So yeah, I was diagnosed type two in 2015. And I'll kind of walk you through that we you you. I mean, there are a lot of people that are like, Oh, that's a lot, or you know, 1.5 or whatever. But, you know, when I went in to that appointment in 2015 I fully anticipate I mean, I had all the symptoms. Yeah. But I you know, I had lost so much weight and I was so frail that I thought I was getting diagnosed with cancer or something, you know, you well, you read the internet, it's always cancer or diabetes. So, you know, I knew it was one of the two. And so I went in I had I went in fasting, of course. And you know, I knew when the nurse did the fingers thick, like it wasn't good news. And then they ran my a one C It was 15.70.

Scott Benner 3:39
Yeah. And this is in 2015 2015.

D.J. 3:44
Okay. And they did a C peptide test. Alright, this is where it gets sort of, you know, confusing. I'm not a doctor, and I'm well aware that anything that you hear on the Juicebox Podcast, you know, but But I looked at the C peptide number, and I didn't know back then what I know now. And it was on the very low side of normal. So it was under two, right? Yeah. So at 15.7 A one C. You know, if I actually was a type two, I would have been making so much insulin with the insulin resistance that that would have been like, I think off the charts high, but that's where it stopped. We didn't do any more investigation. And because that number was like 1.8 It was like what your type two. So I did a full life change and started working out every day. I went extremely low carb and for a long time, seven and a half years. Got my A onesies down into you know 645554 And really just I can't I stopped testing my blood sugar because every time I would test it, it was fairly normal. And that's kind of how it started.

Scott Benner 5:08
How long were you testing for? About five, six years? Well, that's a lot of fun. You know, just I'm going to read this here for people, this is straight from the NIH. To interpret your seed peptide levels, a normal C peptide plasma concentration is in a fasted state point nine to 1.8. ng milliliters don't know what that is. A high level could indicate insulin resistance insulinoma, or kidney disease, a low C peptide is usually present in patients with type one or sometimes type two diabetes. So And where was yours again?

D.J. 5:45
It was under two it was like 117. Something like that?

Scott Benner 5:51
Insulin resistance. Yeah, I mean, so

D.J. 5:54
when I look at it now, I think I would have been much higher with a 15.7. Right. And they didn't do any antibody testing or anything.

Scott Benner 6:05
Yeah. And the reason that's still of interest to you all these years later, is because of the struggle you had, I would imagine, do you still? I would still be thinking about it, honestly. Yeah. So my gosh, so you do just diet and exercise? I mean, what were you eating?

D.J. 6:22
Mostly, you know, mostly proteins, fat, and veggies. And really nothing else. Which, you know, I, that sort of became a way of life for me. And I got so used to it. And I felt good. I felt like I had more energy than I had had. And I mean, that's because I was bringing down my, my agency and my, you know, my blood sugar was in, in a normal range. I understand that now. But you know, at, at the time, it was like, Well, this is really working, I feel great. I feel like I've got more energy than I've had since I was in college. And I was fit. And I wasn't, I for sure wasn't one of these people that is like out there preaching that you have to live your life low carb, but it worked for me. And, and it worked for me until it didn't work for me.

Scott Benner 7:24
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D.J. 9:51
If I was it was because of the diet and exercise that elongated that yeah, that final onset.

Scott Benner 9:59
We You in hindsight, do you see any signs of decay during those times? Were you way too skinny? Anything like that? Okay, you are way too skinny, way

D.J. 10:10
too thin? Yes. Like I saw photos of myself, like, my wife would say, Are you losing weight again, and I'm like, I shouldn't be I eat like a horse, you know, I could go, I travel a lot, I have a couple of businesses that caused me to travel a lot. And, you know, I could go and eat dinner. And by the time I was finished eating dinner, be hungry for another dinner, and stop on my way back to the hotel for another dinner. And then when I would get to the hotel, I'd be like, there's got to be some like mixed nuts or something down here, like, and I would go and buy four bags of peanuts, or almonds or whatever. And I could not gain weight. Were you paying a lot as well? Well, at the initial diagnosis, for sure, but but then no, like, come November, it was starting to get back to I knew something was, you know, I mean, I knew what was up, I didn't know that I was type one. But I kept thinking in the back of my head, like, what I'm doing isn't working anymore. I'm going to end up while I went into this new Doctor thinking, hey, I'm gonna ask him to put me on Metformin again. That's what I thought.

Scott Benner 11:24
How long had you done Metformin in the past for

D.J. 11:28
one month?

Scott Benner 11:29
Why did you get off it so quickly?

D.J. 11:31
Because my a one C went from that 15, seven, down to six, four, and my doctor is like, you don't need Metformin anymore.

Scott Benner 11:38
So he thought you had an onset of type two diabetes that you so arrested with diet and exercise that, that there really wasn't any need to do anything else was the 100%.

D.J. 11:51
That's what I'm percent okay. Oh, wow.

Scott Benner 11:55
When so when you what makes you go to a new doctor.

D.J. 12:01
There were several things that Listen, my doctor, that particular doctor, the probably a lot of people would be like, I don't know how that's possible. He's still a friend of mine. He, he retired this past year, but that's not what made me switch. I knew he was getting ready to retire. You know, I've sort of had in the last seven to eight years of my life, really more of a focus on not just health, but more like Holistic Health. And so I was seeking out integrated health facilities, and instead of what I would call more traditional, and so that's what moved me into this new care that I'm in now. So actually, it's an integrated health facility here. It's a fairly large practice. But I walked in, I it takes months to get an appointment because they're so busy. And this guy, I probably won't say his name, although I know he's listening. He'll be listening, because he started listening to this now. I was his very first patient, actual patient. He had been a PA and training and all that, but I was his very first patient. And I went in just thinking, you know, well, I just need some Metformin. It's been a wild ride with him. And he's been fantastic for me. But he's now you know, he's listened to this podcast. And he's, he's learned a ton through this whole journey as well. But he knew that what I had been through before, you know, we didn't want to repeat.

Scott Benner 13:44
Plus, you probably had him on a good day. He's like, this, is it. My first one? I'm gonna do a good job. Really?

D.J. 13:50
Yeah, well, and the crazy thing was like, when I walked out of there, you know, he prescribed Metformin. And when I got to the pharmacy to pick it up, you know, I hadn't checked, you know, everything's on, you know, these, like, my chart kind of things and all that where it's all digital, well, I get to the pharmacy. And I said, Hey, you know, give my name, birthday. I'm here to pick up one prescription and she said, Oh, is it these two types of insulin? I think now, there's must be some mistake. And so I'm, I'm, I get out of line and I go and look. And there's this big long paragraph of I consulted with the two other founders of the practice. And we believe that based on the blood work that we got back and where you're at, we believe that you need to begin insulin immediately.

Scott Benner 14:47
Did they think you were they were giving you insulin as a type two still? No,

D.J. 14:51
they they, in that little email it? It was you're either type 1.5 Or one or they didn't know. But they knew I wasn't tied to.

Scott Benner 15:03
Is this a place where, if I'm prying, you'll stop me? But like, is it a cash pay that you turn into your insurance later? Really hard to get into that kind of doctor's office?

D.J. 15:14
It is, but at the time, my coverage worked there, it doesn't anymore. We switched. I own. I own these businesses, and we switched insurance companies and the new insurance company doesn't work there. But so yes, it's that type of place very hard to get in,

Scott Benner 15:29
I'm just going to like, to be clear with people, that's the kind of endocrinologist I send my daughter to now that she's not at a children's hospital anymore. My whole family has their thyroid managed that way. You know, we tried going through, you know, what you would consider like a classic practice and you just don't get you don't get enough attention, especially for these things that need to be adjusted now like this endo is not helping Arden with her insulin or anything like that, we're we're doing that. But even with just you know, Arden came home from school, Something seemed wrong, it didn't matter, you know, boom. And he's like, she hasn't been here in a while like she's been off at school, let's do bloodwork. He sent bloodwork out, comes back over, TSH is off, we'll do this, you know, we're gonna move her to, you know, we're gonna she's like, I don't think that she needs her tiersen put up, but I do think she kind of needs a blast of it. And so I want her to take, instead of point eight, eight every day, I want her to take one every day for 10 days. And switch back to point eight, eight. I don't want to switch your script because that'll be irritating. So I'll just mail you a sample. Like that's the kind of Mr. Boom, it's at your house. And you you have a phone call with them a follow up after you know your bloodwork. If there's somebody else in the house that she sees also, she'll talk to them to you don't get a different bill. Like it's all it's exactly the way you think healthcare should be. Yeah,

D.J. 16:55
it's and you're, you're describing something very similar took me took me a minute to get there. And once once we really finalized the the diagnosis. They, their first inclination was we're going to get you an endocrinology referral. And so I did, I went to a traditional endocrinologist. And we can dig into this further if you want to. But I had already been listening to the podcast, I had already done a consult with someone at Integrated diabetes. I was reading and consuming just loads of information, and I was on MDI, I went there thinking, hey, I need something that will be able to that I can, I don't want to use traditional needles that I'm pulling out of vials, I want to use pens. So maybe like I'll use the ink pen, or maybe I'll get like a junior pen, I need something I can give myself half doses because I was already I had gone for. So that second diagnosis, my agency was 13 Six. And I had already gotten it down to six for when I saw that endocrinologist and I knew there was room to go and he's like, You're being too hard on yourself. And I'm like, Well,

Scott Benner 18:15
you're not the right guy for me. Yeah.

D.J. 18:18
So I had that one meeting. And he kept saying, how do you know this? And I in my head? I did I I didn't say this to Him. But I kept thinking, How do you not know this? And then at the end, I actually did say this, because he kind of gave me the range. And he told me not to be so hard on myself. And you know, six, four is great. And by the way, six, four is great. But I knew it wasn't. I knew it wasn't my best. And, and so I just told him, I said, you know, I think you've misunderstood. I said this was an interview. And I'm not going this direction. And you know it, I haven't gone back there. I wrote a big long ladder to this integrated health facility where just my you know, that this brand new, this brand new doctor, along with the partners there and I said, Look, this is what I want to do. Will you support this? Will you write the scripts? Will you allow this to happen? And after about a week, they said, Yeah, we'll do it. And so I came in I told them and had sent them all of the info on looping Omnipod dash and the big six on on G seven now, but they went for it. And my last day once he was five, two, I think I'm I think I'm under five now but I'm due for another one here in the next several weeks.

Scott Benner 19:54
Once you got the insulin you started understanding how to use it. Did you adjust your diet or did you stick with what you were doing?

D.J. 20:00
Well, I've had more candy in the last nine months than I've had in the last eight years. But that's just to address little lows, I have sort of stuck with the kind of stuck with the low carb, just because it's, I didn't really miss anything from before. I'm all about people eating whatever they want. So, and whatever they feel good about, it feels healthy to me for my feelings, you know, plan, but it's not for everybody. So, you know, this morning, I had five eggs for breakfast, or a piece of cheese, and I'm very full. I don't need anything else. You know, if I get the, like, the need for a little something sweet. I'll, you know, in the afternoon, I'll have a coffee with, you know, a square of dark chocolate with some almonds in it or something. And, you know, that's plenty for me. I've had a couple of thing times where it's like I'm, well, you kind of feel like you, you get that feeling of you're going to eat everything in the kitchen or whatever. And you realize you don't need that many carbs to bring you up from 64. You know, in fact, if you cut your basil and wait 15 minutes, you might just be fine. You know, it's just been a huge learning curve. And I've put I put 80,000 miles on my car in the last two years. And so 40,000 of that has been listening to the Juicebox Podcast.

Scott Benner 21:32
Oh, thank you. I appreciate that. And all of you should be driving that much. Because that would really help me. How did you? How did you find the podcast?

D.J. 21:40
I kind of you know, it's one of those things where there's so much I don't want to say misinformation that sounds like, but I think you know, people don't understand and you can't expect them to understand if if you name some disease that I have only Ansel airily heard of, I'm not going to have an understanding of what it is. But, you know, you, you kind of, it's that whole, you see people with a pump, and you see people with the tubing and, and all of that works great for a lot of people. In fact, I have a young guy that works with me, and he's on he's on a pump, and he's got the tubing, and it has been like that since he was six years old. It works fine for him and, and wonderful. I just for my lifestyle. I I just Googled, I was like, there's gotta be a pump that doesn't have tubing. And so the first thing that came up was obviously Omni pod. And then there was a link to your podcast, and in some Google search. And so that's how I started listening to it. Wow,

Scott Benner 22:45
I have heard my SEO for Omni pod is strong, strong. Yeah, that's a that's good news. At this point, I've watched people find it in so many different ways. I couldn't have I couldn't have possibly set this up. It's one of those things like, you know, people are like, Well, how do I do a successful this or that? Like, what should I link to watch that? I'm like, I don't know, I really don't. I'm like, just put it out there. If it works for people, it'll, it'll grow. Yeah, like to know that you were basically saying to yourself, I'd like to get a pump that doesn't have tubes, but ended up finding the podcast as well as really interesting, though, I appreciate that. That's excellent.

D.J. 23:22
Yeah, absolutely. And, and, you know, it's so it's so interesting, because when I first started listening, I think my first episode, I can't remember which one it was, but it was an after dark. And because I just randomly I'm like, Oh, well, I'll just start wherever it is right now. And I can always go back and forth. And and, and so, you know, you pick up whatever the episode is you, you sort of pick up a useful tidbit of information somewhere in there, whether you know, whether 90% of it applies to you or not, you know, there's kind of that 10% or 20% or even just a tidbit where you're like, wow, I didn't think of that. And, and so I started picking up what I would call nuggets in some of those and I talked to my wife and and I was so frustrated with my well with myself at the time because I you know, I was having these highs and I couldn't bring them down. And you know, I kept saying, you know, I need to get something where I can do half dose or I need to split my my long term insulin and she's like, you know, maybe for your mental health. You should stop listening to this podcast. I think it's driving you crazy. It's like no, no, this is the thing that's helping me. I said it's all the other noise that's actually driving me crazy. I said it's just I said it feels like I'm drinking from a fire hydrant. And I just can't consume enough information. So I actually made a I made a couple of spreadsheets and started tracking in a In a notebook on my iPad, just the bits of information that I would want to go back and listen to. And then I started going through all of the all of the different series, you know, the bold beginnings, and the pro tips and all of those types of things. And it was like, once I got through that, and I felt like I kind of finally have understood these terms and know what's happening. That's when it just all started clicking. And I had heard you say that before? Like, I know, it sounds overwhelming. People are throwing, you know, terms and numbers and this and that around. Keep doing it. And it will come together. Yeah. And that happens.

Scott Benner 25:42
I'm glad. i That's really wonderful. i It makes me feel terrific, actually, because you experienced the podcast the way I mean for it to be taken in. Yeah. And it worked. Which was exciting. Because I always think, well, the first thing is that i is that I really believe that if you just stack all the information up in one place, it'll be overwhelming and boring. And most people won't be interested in it anyway. Right? You know, so you have these conversations with people, which you get the bonus of like, getting to listen to other type ones type twos live their lives. And and I think that's interesting. And then I try to blend in enough entertainment that you'll make it through so that the conversation can unfold in a way where that nugget comes out.

D.J. 26:28
Right? Yeah, it's fantastic. And I'm on not just your Facebook group, but I'm on a couple of other what I would say, our online type one communities, and I'm always putting links to, you know, I'll hear something and I'm like, Well, this, I know that this addresses that now, I'll put a link I'm sure people think I'm nuts. But I, you know, I I'll be clear that you're not paying me to say this, but the podcast is it truly did change the course of my life.

Scott Benner 27:02
I appreciate that the information, it changed my life, too. It's just yeah, I'm the one that pulled it all together into one place worse. I mean, we were really lost. And a lot of my life was like overwhelmed and crying when our son was young and had diabetes. And I didn't know what I was doing. I almost did it the same way. But mine was trial and error and the ability to not have to focus on much else because I was a I was a stay at home dad and I had a baby. So I didn't have much to do except look at her and wonder what the hell was happening to her? Yeah,

D.J. 27:34
I felt sort of paralyzed at first, because I've got I've got two businesses, and I've got, you know, 60 employees. And I mean, everybody, you know, everybody needs something at any second. And, you know, for about a month, it was I couldn't process what was going on. And there were times where I thought, you know, if I don't get this under control, this could change, you could really drastically change the course of my life.

Scott Benner 28:04
And I do see how so many people end up with good enough. Because there is there's too much going on. Like I'm trying to be honest and say that if I had a job, and Arden was diagnosed with diabetes, I don't think I would have figured it out. And I'm pretty, I'm pretty sure the doctors wouldn't have helped me get there. Right. And that that's it like I was able to stare and stare I was I was sharing with someone yesterday on an episode I was making, how when my son got Hashimotos his only symptom was these crazy hives from his waist to his neck. And they would come if his body heated up. So if he laughed, got angry, tried to lift something up, move too quickly. This is literally what would happen to him. And then the only way to make it stop is either have to run out into the freezer. It was luckily November, he'd have to run out into the cold until it went away. Now he wasn't warm. It's not like he was out there and like, Oh, this feels good. He was freezing. But he was outside freezing. And it would make the hives like dissipate. So this is going on for a month. And we're going through all the normal channels trying to figure out what's going on. And I just can't take seeing him like that. So I'm like living my life. I'm making this podcast I'm doing all the things I'm supposed to be doing. And then when everybody goes to bed, I would get online and just read and read and try to figure out what was happening. Yeah, and one day I found this NIH article that talked about hives as a very uncommon symptom of Hashimotos. And I sent an email at three o'clock in the morning to the endocrinologist who by the way, if you guys have heard the the episode about Hashimotos and hyperthyroidism, it's that doctor, she's the doctor that we use. I emailed her that night I sent her the article, I laid out what my thinking and she goes yeah, right like let's give them The Met and see what happens. And like a week later, it started to get better. And I felt so relieved. Like I don't I don't know how to tell people like when I was explaining this to the person yesterday that I was talking to, like, I was just saying it like it was a normal thing. Like, obviously, I would do this thing for my son. And she said, I don't think a lot of people would have done that. And I don't know that that's true or not, I guess I don't know myself that well, you know, and I try not to judge myself against other people. So I haven't really thought about it that way. But that's the only thing that saved him. Like, we were going down a completely different path with a regular doctor, they were getting ready to give him some like, once weekly injection of some new medication or something like that. And we were like, freaking out. Yeah. And when that helped them, like, that's the feeling I had, when I, the day that I said to my wife, like, I figured out how to take care of diabetes. I was like, if there's a system within all of this, and it's not that hard, it's kind of like easy, almost, if you can wrap your head around it and understand a couple of these ideas. And I said, by that I had told her I'm like, I'm gonna make a podcast about this. So it was just, it was that feeling that I had, the way I explained it with my son, when I started the podcast, blogging heads like died, like people just stop reading. And I thought, oh, all of this information I've put into this blog is going to disappear, like, no one's going to see it anymore. And I just felt like, it was unfair for me to know this. And for you not to know it. That seriously, it's just how it struck me.

D.J. 31:44
So I'm glad you I'm glad. I mean, obviously, there are 10s of 1000s. I don't know how many, but a ton of people that are that are grateful that you didn't keep it to yourself, I guess you maybe people would start to figure it out. If they just over time, it would take a lot longer, it would take a lot longer.

Scott Benner 32:04
The way I think of it is that I'm sure some people would, and some people wouldn't. And the ones who wouldn't, are going to suffer needlessly. And the ones that would eventually are going to end up with my memories of when my daughter was two. If that's something we can avoid, then I think that's terrific. But one way or the other. We live in a world where people get diabetes, they go to a doctor, and they fundamentally don't have any more information when they come back from the doctor than they did before they went. I don't even care why that is it's just the truth. So you know, if I can tell you something DJ, that you'll keep to yourself worse until this comes out. If I look over here at my whiteboard, the next thing for Jenny and I to do together, we're finishing up the MythBusters series right now. And then we are going to go into making a series of episodes that is directed specifically at doctors and clinicians. And we're gonna talk to them about how to do this thing and see if we can get that to catch on for people too.

D.J. 33:06
Yeah, that's, that's great. Yeah, we'll

Scott Benner 33:09
see what happens. I don't know how you run a business with 60 people, like I run a business. I'm the only person and I, some days I'm like, I don't know how you do it with employees. That seems like a lot of effort.

D.J. 33:23
I have a really good team. Really, really good team. Yeah. So blessed with that, for sure. We, we've grown a lot, you know, in the last several years, and I kind of look at I'm not a huge sports person, but I love using sports analogies. And I feel like we've put people on our team that we know are to the caliber of where the rest of the team is performing or beyond because when you kind of bring in talent that's beyond it pushes you to another place. And that's really what's happened with our team over the last couple of years. So they've, they've made it very easy on me.

Scott Benner 34:04
Excellent. Now I There are a number of really wonderful people that helped me online with the Facebook group. And as a matter of fact, I would say that a lot of the information that comes back from them, helps to shape the podcast as well. Because they have sort of their eye on what people are talking about, when I don't have that kind of time to like sit there and mine it and find out what's on people's minds. I don't mean to say that, uh, it's just the all the other stuff like, you know, there's yesterday at one point, I was an editor and an IT person and then somehow I got involved in billing. It was almost like same three and a half hours I would walk out of the room, use the bathroom walk back into a completely different thing. And change hands. Yeah, exactly. And then I and then I actually had that thought later. I was like if I tried to go get a job in the real world, no one would hire me. I have no discernible skills on paper whatsoever. It'd be like It'll be like, what do you do? And I, ah, so much, I don't know how to put it into words.

D.J. 35:03
I'm a unicorn,

Scott Benner 35:05
I had a meeting yesterday morning with three people where we were devising another series with on the pod about on a pod five. And like, there's this moment when you go, Oh, they want my opinion. Okay, I'm not used to being that person still. So like, Alright, so we talked about it, and it sounds like it's gonna work out really well. And just another step of trying to help people have better outcomes faster.

D.J. 35:31
Yeah, that's awesome. And their customer support has been phenomenal. That's good to hear me.

Scott Benner 35:38
Well, they'll hear this. So I'm sure there'll be happy. I have a couple of questions. Right. So what could have happened in those first years for you, when they thought you were type two, like now you have all this knowledge looking back? Like what needed to happen, that would have stopped all this from going on for so long?

D.J. 35:55
Well, I think if, if they would have done one more test, if they would have done a gad antibody test, that would have helped. I think that if you're going to get a diabetes diagnosis, whether it's type one or type two, I mean, it's, you're already getting a blood draw, why not just do that test, they did the C peptide. So why not do the antibody test? I think that would have helped. I do think that it was sort of I mean, it was sort of a blessing in disguise, because it did prompt me to get very healthy from a diet and exercise standpoint. So you know, I'm not I don't have like some deep seated bitterness. i But I, I definitely wish it would have gone down differently. It was more shocking when I got the actual diagnosis than anything. But I think to answer your question, one more test would have changed the course of what I would have done eight years ago.

Scott Benner 36:58
Okay. Do you think you wouldn't have found the the eating part, if they would have immediately said, Hey, you have type one? It could have been right, like it could have just sent you in a different direction? It's hard to

D.J. 37:09
know it of Yeah, it could have, you know, because I'm a foodie, I mean, I, I love food, travel, did a lot of food trips, you know, where my wife and I would go to LA and you go to 15 restaurants in two days, and you go in and get, you know, just, you don't eat a whole meal, but you know, you get whatever they're known for. And then, you know, you're gone and off to the next place. And we loved doing those kinds of things. Yeah. And, and so things just changed drastically for me. So maybe I would have continued to, and I just learned, you know, I could have learned how to Bolus for all of that.

Scott Benner 37:50
Right? Yeah, I mean, I take very seriously the conversations around diet. So I'm in a weird position, because it is my position as the person who makes this podcast and runs that group online, that I don't care how you eat, I want you to know how to use insulin for whatever it is you're going to eat. Now, that idea comes from my belief that I can't change that for people. I've thought about it long and hard. And I don't know how to do something that would make a person have that moment that you had, and just say, I'm going to completely fundamentally change how I eat. I don't know how to do that. I watched the whole world try it over and over again for decades of my life, I don't see a path to it. So I've decided in my mind that as a person who makes this podcast, I'm not really in charge of how people eat and eat and even like to say that even if there was a perfect way to eat. I don't I don't see a way to make somebody do it. So let's let that go. And let them save their health. Right from from diabetes, and then hopefully they'll make decisions about their food intake. That's good for them.

D.J. 39:01
Yeah, I think they're two separate issues. Yeah, I do. I think I think there's there's a health and nutrition side. And then there's a managing diabetes and understanding the way that insulin works and et cetera, et cetera. Yeah, I'm making sure that your carb ratios are right, and that, you know, all that stuff. Right. And so I think they're two separate issues. And I think that the nutrition part or the fueling plan, or whatever you want to call it is, it can make it easier on yourself, for sure. But there are complications in that. And, you know, this is a side note when I was in when I was in college, I used to smoke and I had a girlfriend at the time, who is now my wife that did not approve of that. And I littered Scott I threw a pack of cigarettes and a lighter out the window and never smoked again.

Scott Benner 39:55
To do that to try to prove to her you were going to listen to her. Yeah,

D.J. 40:00
And, but but the point is like some people have, and I'm not, I'm not patting myself on the back or I'm not. But I just I have a willpower, like if I say, I'm not going to do this, or I am going to do it. That's sort of the way that it goes, you know, for me, and that's not that's for sure. Not for everybody. It's for sure. Not for everyone

Scott Benner 40:20
I've learned over the last four months. That that is not how it works for me. I am. I'm talking to you today. Today. I am 30 pounds lighter than I was four months ago. Yeah, that's awesome. Yeah. And it's crazy, right? And it's because, and I'm telling you, I wasn't a crazy eater. Like I wasn't taking in, like, if you could see me eat during the day before this, you wouldn't have said like, wow, that's insane. Like, I wasn't a healthy eater, like most of the time, but I was supplementing with things and you know, being careful, but I just I don't know what the point I'm trying to make here is like, I wasn't like eat a half a pizza and a bag of Doritos person, you know what I mean? Like it, it just, my body just didn't want to lose weight, I'd have to do something incredibly drastic to lose 10 pounds. And then it wasn't sustainable. And this we go V which is, is basically ozempic rebranded for just for weight loss, it has given me the ability to not eat too much, or sometimes, you know, a lot, you know, today, I'll get done with you. I'm gonna go take an egg. And I will probably put it in a pan scrambled with a mushroom and maybe a piece of shrimp, or chicken maybe. And I'll put it in a small wrap, and I'll probably won't be able to finish it. Yeah, I don't know what I'll do for lunch today. I haven't even thought about it yet. But like last night, I went to a bar last night and had snow crab legs, so and a hunk of bread. So it's not like crazy, right? You can you can eat. But there's something about that GLP one that it just feels like it feels like it gave my body a tune up, like take away the the hunger part. Because there's no doubt like I don't get hungry very frequently. And yes, my stomach will feel full, faster. But that's not the whole story. Like I don't completely know how to explain it yet. But there's something about that GLP replacement, that is making my body go to the size that it looks like it was supposed to be is the only way I can think to say,

D.J. 42:30
Yeah, it's amazing. It's amazing. You

Scott Benner 42:33
could have four months ago before this medication told me, I think you could have told me I was gonna die. And I don't know that I could have achieved what I've done in the last four months. So I mean, that's I mean, my knee, I had a knee surgery, I couldn't have exercise, my knee got better. I ended up having to have a surgery on my toe of all the weird things, which I'm going to the doctor this afternoon for and hopefully can take this bandage off. And so that would have slowed me down from exercising and now and there wouldn't have been it just wouldn't happen. Like I know for sure it wouldn't happen without the medication. And it's not because I was just willfully out there like Double fisting marshmallows. Yeah. It's pretty much it. I have to ask you a different question before I get too far away from it. Your original doctor who it sounds like you're friendly with? Yes. You must have had personal conversations with him about Yes. How did those go?

D.J. 43:26
Well, I actually called him after I was re diagnosed. I'm not going to look for it now and waste time, but I actually I called him and then we texted back and forth. And his response was, oh, wow, that's a huge life change. That's pretty much it.

Scott Benner 43:47
Not I I really missed that one. Now. Is that disappointing to you? On a personal level? Maybe but but you don't seem like you're that person though.

D.J. 43:57
Yeah, not a grudge holder really that much? I, I think more so it's disappointing for going back to conversation from earlier and this isn't a slam on all medical professionals, but it's just disappointing to know that you sort of get run through this system, where, you know, it's a it's a big machine, it's owned by, you know, some huge company that, you know, now we have seven minutes to see a patient and you can't, you cannot possibly understand, you know, everything that you're going to see. And, you know, the one day that they spent talking about diabetes 50 years ago when he was in school, you know, yeah, granted, he should have seen things in his practice. You know, but, but I'm not convinced When you're just talking to even nurses, and they don't even understand the difference between type one and type two, sure. And, you know, there's been plenty of evidence of that on, you know, online in, you know, on the Facebook group on other podcasts. It's just, it's just, it's a little disheartening. And it's a little overwhelming, it's a little confusing. And, you know, everybody has advice of what to do and, and, and you just sort of have to wade through all of that. And go, Well, all I know, is I have to advocate for myself and I, that is a challenge for a lot of people. Ya

Scott Benner 45:50
know, some people don't have it in them to speak up. And I don't mean that from like, a fortitude standpoint, personality wise,

D.J. 45:58
not judgmental. Yeah. judgmental, personality wise,

Scott Benner 46:00
some people don't have that. I don't know why I do. You know what I mean, but I hear something that goes counterintuitive to me, my happiness, my success, my families, and you guys by extension, and I pushed back on it right away. But, you know, that's just a, I don't know, that's wiring and how I was brought up. And it's not a thing I can take credit for. Just like if I was a person who heard those things and kind of turtled up and went inside. I couldn't blame myself or give myself credit for that either. You know, it's just it. But with that being true. Listen, when this is true, I just interviewed somebody the other day, who told me that when their kid was diagnosed in the hospital, they came in, the nurse came in to give the kid their first injection. And the mom said that when the injection happened, something looked really strange. And she even said, after the nurse left, that didn't look right. And some time later, the nurse came back in and said, Hi, I have to do the injection again, because I didn't do it the first time because she didn't take the cap off the needle. Oh, now, how could that happen? to her credit, she did say I'm back, I made a mistake. We're going to do the right thing now. But how could that happen? But in a world where that did happen? How do we not say something about it? Like you said, like, you know, giant companies own hospitals, they're probably wealth management companies, some of them, like you have no idea how many, like at this point, wealth management companies owned businesses, they don't know anything about. Sure. Yeah. So yeah,

D.J. 47:46
well, and so I was in a, this just rein me in if this is totally off topic, but, you know, I was in a sales coaching meeting several months ago. And they happen to use the healthcare, you know, segment as an example. And there were probably 20 people sitting in this room, and they said, the guy said, Hey, do you did you graduate from college? Or did you graduate from high school? And you know, everybody's like, Oh, yeah. Did you get a diploma? Yeah. Do you know where it is? Oh, it's probably in a box, somewhere up in my parents, attic somewhere or whatever he goes yet. Yet, every doctor's office that you go into, not only do they have one copy of their diploma, it's an every examination room in the building. Now, is that because they don't remember that they graduated? And you know, you start to think about that, and you go, well, the whole thing is sort of theater. Right? It's to gain confidence that I know what I'm talking about. And that was sort of when I was going through the middle of all of this, and that that was the sort of tipping point for me of like, I'm gonna go to somebody that actually can spend an hour with me until I'm going to actually go somewhere where, you know, I know it's going to cost me some money. I know it's going to be a little bit more, but I've got to get out of this churn and burn system.

Scott Benner 49:16
Listen, I went to a good surgeon for my toe. And still, when the surgery was over, he called me that evening, how you feel? And I said, I'm doing alright, because good. I said, Hey, what ended up happening there. And what he described was, none of it was what he said before the surgery. Like before the surgery, he's like, here's what the problem is. You've got a bunch of arthritis in this knuckle in your toe. And I'm like, okay, and he said, we're gonna go in there, we're gonna clean it all out. And it's going to be terrific. And I was like, Oh, great. He goes now, don't you know, that could go this way. It could go that way. But this is the problem. I'm like, alright. He said, Yeah, there wasn't really any arthritis in the knuckle of your toe. He said there was a bunch of torn cartilage is really weird. And I'm like, okay, And he goes up. Have you ever heard of microfracture surgery? And I went, Yeah, that's the thing like athletes get he goes, Yeah, I did that for you. I went, Oh, okay. So like, you know, with his best diagnostics, and, by the way, a good surgeon, right, like, so. I mean, I hate to say it like this. I live in northeast, I've the choice of good doctors around here. And I went to a good practice. And still, he didn't know what he was doing until he got in there. And once he got in there, he just did it. And, you know, I said, Well, what's the deal? And he goes, well, hopefully, fibrous cartilage will grow back. And I was like, Yeah, okay. And I said, is that Cartledge? Because, no, it's different. Cartilage can't grow. And I'm like, Okay. And I said, it's definitely gonna grow back. You know, we hope it will. I said, what if it doesn't, and he said, oh, we'll just fuse the bone in your toe. And I'm like, that sounds horrible. And like, Wait, why? You know, and that's my, my toe just hurt. TJ just like it was, you know, you're talking about this big thing with insulin and carbs and, you know, exercise and sleep and hydration, and that I could probably stand here all day and say things like that, that would impact diabetes, I get that they can't just know the whole thing. And if they can't just tell you the whole thing. But I keep coming back to why do I know? And they don't?

D.J. 51:24
Yeah. Why that's, it goes back to what that endocrinologist that I went to, and he's like, how do you know this? Yeah. I found a way to tell people. Yeah, how do you know they're in one, Skittle is one carb?

Scott Benner 51:39
I think that's my sticking point, right there is. I put myself in that position. I make myself a physician. I know I'm not perfect. I know a little bit of this theater. That's fine. I know there's not enough time, because the system works the way it works. I don't understand how then the answer I give myself that I'm okay with it helps me sleep is well, that's the system we have to this is the best I can do. Because I don't think that's true. I just think somebody would just you need someone with vision to do something different that and try and let it fail and try something different. And I don't maybe the system doesn't allow for that. And that's why you ended up at a at a doctor the way you do and why I use one for my family's thyroid. But even that, like it's not like my insurance doesn't cover it. I just have to I pay her in cash. And then I take the bill and I send it to the doctor's office and they send me the money back. You know, it's not like, it's not like I'm paying out of my pocket. And I don't get it back. So there's a way, but you got to know that that exists. And that's absolutely right. Yeah. And the truth is, is that the only reason that my family is in that doctor's office is because I knew Arden was in trouble. And it wasn't working through the Children's Hospital. We were not getting answers. And there were a lot of try this. And then you try it and it didn't work. Then they go, oh, we'll try this. Let me wait. You didn't know the first time that that wasn't right. Like, you know, like, so you need a person that I'm an artist first appointment with Addy was an hour long. You went in, you sat down in a chair, like a person with your pants on and had a conversation explained everything that had ever happened to you in your entire life while this person takes wild notes and is paying attention to you, and then orders your problems and says let's start here. And we're going to do this. And after this amount of time. If this doesn't happen, we will do this. If that does work then great. And like there was a real plan. And I don't think people leave doctor's offices with plans.

D.J. 53:54
No, but that's the way it should happen. Yeah,

Scott Benner 53:56
it's just it's obvious, right? So I don't understand if doctors can do it and they can get paid. Why is that? Not what is happening? I don't know. It's upsetting to me. Listen, I have a whole life off of this podcast. Like this is what I do all day long. 6070 hours a week, right? It pays my bills. It helps people it's a job. I love it. All. That's terrific. That being said, it should not be necessary. It's It's upsetting and insulting that you helped your health with a podcast. That's my stance on it. So anyway, yeah, but

D.J. 54:35
but the good news is this. This integrated health. He's actually a PA. He listened to your podcast.

Scott Benner 54:44
Well, hello to him, of course. Thank you. Yeah, I'm not and by the way, I hear people sometimes say i Dr. Bash, listen, this is what's happening. I'm just saying it out loud. I'm not bashing you. You don't I'm saying like if you drop back on Sunday, and throw 34 My past isn't complete five, boom. If I point out you had a bad day, I'm not bashing you. I'm just reporting the news. Well, here's

D.J. 55:06
the deal. If you take your car to a repair facility, and they consistently Miss diagnose it and can't get it right, at some point you go, you know, I probably shouldn't go to this place anymore. Yeah,

Scott Benner 55:17
and by the way, telling a friend about that it's not bashing somebody bashing somebody, it's just buyer beware, yeah, if you hear this, and you're a physician, and you feel attacked, I'd say look in the mirror, you know, so don't blame me. For God's sakes, I didn't do it. I'm out here helping all the people you're not helping. And you know, and by the way, with with a sentence, nothing you hear other Juicebox Podcast should be considered advice, medical or otherwise, like that, like that's the only thing standing between me and not saying this out loud is that the world now accepts that as okay. Like, even 10 years ago, that was not a thing. There's something about how information is shared now, something about podcasting, and digitally, being able to record your voice or your your image, and sharing it with people. And being able to say like, this is just my, this is my experience. I'm sharing it with you. I don't know what's gonna happen. Like, it's, I'm not a doctor, like lead me out of this. But even that didn't exist 15 years ago, like, seriously, like, people wouldn't have talked like this 1015 years ago, 20 years ago, you wouldn't have told a person on the internet your name, right? Yeah. So things have shifted very quickly. And it's allows for this transfer of information. Anyway, I don't know what the hell we're talking about these. But you sound healthy as hell. Why are you on the road so much?

D.J. 56:50
Well, so I actually live in a town where I don't own a business. And so my, my, the first business that I bought, several years ago, was at the coast in North Carolina, which is three and a half hours from home. And then I bought another business that's halfway home. So about an hour and 30 minutes from home. And so I am usually at the coast, Mondays and Tuesdays and then this other spot on Wednesdays and Thursdays and then back home, on the weekends. And then sometimes we reverse it. And I actually was supposed to have a meeting with my bank this morning. And so I'm actually at home. And my family is all at the coast. And so when we finish, I'm going to drive down there and, and hang out for the weekend at the beach.

Scott Benner 57:45
DJ, you're what's known as a go getter.

D.J. 57:50
I try that's a hustle, man.

Scott Benner 57:51
You're hustling. It's hustle. Yeah, no kidding. Jeez, I either. That's terrific. I mean, just the idea that you saw a business, you're like, This is a good business for me to get involved in. But it's three and a half hours from my home. Like, that doesn't matter. Wow, you wouldn't have done well, not getting your diabetes in order.

D.J. 58:09
That's what I was saying. Yes. I mean, it it had the opportunity to crumble the whole thing. Yeah.

Scott Benner 58:14
Actually, when you said that at first, I thought you meant your health, but you meant you meant life in general my life. Yeah. Yeah, that's, that's, and I think that's happening to people, by the way. It

D.J. 58:26
is I see it online. I you know, and I don't have tons of time, and, you know, but But I, I respond to people in various groups. And, and, and like, you look at, after you sort of clicks for you, you know, like, I'll look at somebody's graph, and they're like, this happened to me for absolutely no reason. And it's like, that's not true. Everything happens for a reason. There's, you know, I mean, I had a situation last night I, I rarely, I rarely am over 130. My average for 90 days, I'm looking at the graph right now, my average for 90 days is 94. So I'm in range. My range is 65 to 125. And I'm in at 97% of the time, Wow, that's great. But, like last night, I totally missed, and I was eating dinner with my daughter. And I looked and I was like, I was already halfway through eating. And I was 64 arrow straight down. And I said can you I said I hate to ask you can you go get me half a glass of regular Coke. And by the time she got back, the numbers shifted again and it was 40 straight down. Wow. And, but I didn't feel it. You know like Normally, like my lips will tingle or something like that. And so, anyways, within 20 minutes, I just mismanaged it. I was 157 arrow up, straight up. And, you know, brought it in for landing, and kind of reflected back on what I had missed, once it finally leveled out. And, you know, I had just mostly what I was eating was protein. I've already told you that. And I just Bolus too soon. When it dropped, then I just my reaction, I didn't know how, you know, I was guessing that there were 60 grams of carbs in that coke. And, and then I just missed it on the way up. Yeah, you just over

Scott Benner 1:00:43
compensated? Yep. It absolutely happens. But like you said, that's a thing, where some people could see that and say, I don't know, it just happened. And you know, in their last I, I've gotten a couple of comments or questions recently from people online. And they are saying the same thing. No matter how far I Pre-Bolus my kid every time I Pre-Bolus them, their blood sugar shoots straight up. And you can tell by the way they're asking the question, they are positive, that giving the kid the insulin is making their blood sugar go up. They don't see the part where the kid might be nervous or anxious, or a bunch of adrenaline comes, or even they get super excited to eat and their blood sugar shooting up now for adrenaline. And I say to them, I think that's what you want to look at first here because giving yourself insulin doesn't make your blood sugar go up. Like that's but that's how they see it. They are sure that the introduction of the insulin is making the blood sugar go up like that is not what's happened. Yeah, that's not what happened. Yeah. And but, but I don't know, there's a lot of different ways to say it. But that's what they see. They can't see the forest for the trees without it right like that. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And so I've learned instead of telling them that because they'll push back, they'll go, no, no, that can't be it. Like, okay, my kids rock solid or something, you'll get something like that. I'm like, no. Okay. I've learned to just say that's not enough information to answer this question, right? Because I need to get them to pick through the information in their own head so they can start checking things off the list. Like, oh, it's not that it's not this, it's not that, then you can kind of like introduce the idea of maybe the kids just, like, doesn't like to get shot us? Yeah, doesn't like to get a shot. Yeah. And then they'll go, maybe that is it. So, you know, and there's an answer to that? And the answer is the answer I gave you through the podcast, which is after time and experience and repetition, that'll get better. It

D.J. 1:02:45
will Yeah, it definitely well, and there's, I think that's the big thing for me is the recognition that there's, there's a there's a hope out there for for it by trial and error. And if you can actually learn from the trial and error. And, you know, I mean, it's just one of those, it just takes time, and it takes time, it really just takes time. It's

Scott Benner 1:03:11
it's a thing you can't give up on right away. It's a thing you have to build on the take a little wind, and you're piled on top of another little win, and you take a minute to celebrate, and then you realize that's not the end and you keep going. It's yeah, it's what's

D.J. 1:03:26
that? What's that saying that like? The thing that people don't see about the overnight success is the 30 years of hard work that went in before it or something like that. I don't know what the exact quote is, I

Scott Benner 1:03:36
know that when I don't know exactly what it is either I got. So I do a really good job, I think give myself credit. And I'm giving myself credit, because you all didn't know me when I was 25 years old. But I didn't. I didn't I had a pretty short fuse. So when the other day someone comes on to the, onto the group. And I put up I forget what it was, I noticed people were asking questions about the eyelet pump. And they were all like, what is this? And I'm like, I just did an exhaustive interview about this like a month and a half ago, and it's irritating that they don't know. So I just put up a nice post. And I'm like, Hey, here's this I hear people talking about, you might have missed this, like all very nice, you know, like, you don't know, I'm irritated. And by the way, I'm not really irritated. It's, you make this thing and you put it out. And if you're not careful, you can get this unreasonable expectation that everybody knows it's there and that they've heard it. And so I just I know that's not true. So I'll put the information back up, hopefully find some people that missed it. In that thread. Some guy comes in and says, you know, some people don't have time to sit through all this, especially with all those ads. And I was like you Mother I am over here, make those ads, pay my bills. Without the ads. You don't get a podcast. And you know, or I charge you for it. And by the way A DJ between your business person between you and me if I charged $9 a month for this podcast, and everybody who listened to it, like paid it, I'd be sitting on a gold chair in a gold room right now. And I don't do that. So, in my mind, I think, just say thank you. Don't come at me go and I don't like it. Meanwhile, I went and looked at it. And I so I anyway, I held myself together. And I explained nicely online. And I said to the guy, I'm like, Look, man, there's about two minutes worth of ads at the beginning of the podcast. There's another ad in the middle. And there's a thank you at the end. That episode is two hours long, it has about seven minutes worth of ads in it. Like, if the ads aren't there, then here's the thing you don't know. It took me days to reach the company, like days to reach them to book that episode. Then once I booked it, they were uncomfortable. They didn't know what they were doing. I had to walk them through it. Then I had to spend an hour on the phone with somebody explaining microphones and getting them to buy a microphone. And then they came on. And I spent two hours recording the show. And by the way, all the questions I asked, there was prep time in there that I can't really quantify. Then the show had to be edited. It took two and a half or three hours to edit it. And then it has to be supported on social media. And then you bobble and I'm like going through it. I'm like, That's the effort that went into that episode.

D.J. 1:06:24
Yeah, that's just one episode out of where you're at. 1000. Yes,

Scott Benner 1:06:29
yes. What I ended up saying at the end, the only place I think I was a little snarky, is I said that. This is the equivalent of me showing up at your job on Pay Day opening the front door and yelling blank doesn't deserve to get paid. I don't like the way you went about it this week. What do you care man? Like, you know what I mean? Like, there's no one else delivering this information to no one. It just it doesn't exist the way I give it out. And it's because it's supported through this thing. How could you possibly not see that? And then I realized none of this matters. He doesn't know. Like you don't even but it got me for a second. I was like, What the hell? Yeah, leave me alone. So anyway,

D.J. 1:07:08
yeah. It's like, hey, you know what? We'll give you free fries with this. And then you're like, I don't really like those kinds of fries. Oh, yeah.

Scott Benner 1:07:17
Could I instead have the hashbrowns?

D.J. 1:07:18
Yeah, can I smash?

Scott Benner 1:07:21
Well, no. Because of 1000 things you don't know or understand that go in free podcasts, shut up and take it. Adult, what do I care? But then that that becomes the problem is that I actually, I do care. Like, I look at that person, I think that person has type one diabetes, I get it. Yeah, they need the info, right. And even if he doesn't know it, I'm doing something good for him. And listen, I'll make this point. And I'm gonna have to let you go. Because I, I actually have, this is the day from hell for me. So this is the first of my three recordings I'm doing today. But I won't give a lot of details. But a different person online, popped into this post and just started, what they call posting. And, you know, was just being difficult for the sake for just to be difficult, and kind of going back and forth with people. And I looked and I thought this person has been in this group for years, they've never been a problem like this is really strange, you know. And so I pulled their comment down. And I sent them a note that said, I really need you to be nicer than this. You know, now, my assumption was something was wrong. Because as a person who runs a big Facebook group DJ, what I can tell you is either somebody's having a bad day, or their blood sugar's high or low, or they're drunk. But that's pretty much what I've learned. And so are they just want to be, you know, for reasons I don't know. But I really, I just gave this person the benefit of doubt. I said, I can't leave your comment there. But like, what's going on? And I got this note back, and privately, and the person said, I'm sorry, I have multiple people in my family having medical issues right now. And one of them's out of state, and I can't be there. And it's an I need to deal with my frustration differently. I apologize. And so in my mind, EJ, everyone's got a story like that. Even though even the person who said to me like all the damn ads, just tell me what I need to know like, well, first of all, I'm not your mom. But secondly, like, you know, like, I even think that person is just having a bad moment. And so I don't want to ever get into a position where they get kicked out of a group because then they're going to come around and still need to know how to Pre-Bolus or something like that. And then I think they could be then on that path that you described that you possibly could have been on, of course, Yeah, everybody's got a backstory. Yeah. So I try really Hard not to have my own feelings that you don't mean like to be my own, like frustration. But they're like I said that one. That's the one time the only time I can really remember this year, I was just like, I am killing myself over here. And that's what you want to say to me. Like, please do not build, please don't say. So anyway, did we cover everything you want to talk about?

D.J. 1:10:22
I think so. Yeah, I think it's been great. I mean, well, I don't know if it's been great. But it's been great. Actually talking to you and, and getting a chance to do this. It's been a lot of fun.

Scott Benner 1:10:30
I appreciate that. It's terrific. It's great information. Like I said earlier, your microphone is so good. This is such a pleasure to record from just an audio standpoint, I really appreciate that. Are you? Do you want to tell people why you have the microphone? Like because i'll leave it in if you want to say, but if you don't, then it's okay with me as well.

D.J. 1:10:50
Yeah, I mean, my my daughter is a pop singer. That's sort of on the on the coming up. And I'm in her studio right now. This is actually her scratch vocal mic that she uses to track some of her scratch vocals. And then she's got a booth on the other side of the room. And she does. I think I said pop music and it's super exciting. Her name is Emerson as Aryan and you should check it out. It's everywhere where you can stream pop music, very

Scott Benner 1:11:25
nice. Excellent. Well, listen, you tell your daughter that if she wants to send me a song, I'll put it at the end of this episode.

D.J. 1:11:32
Oh, that'd be awesome. Yeah, I'll, I'll I'll definitely do that. I'll send you one. With her permission for sure.

Scott Benner 1:11:39
Oh, that's cool. Let me know. Okay. Okay. All right. Thanks, Scott. Of course, hold on one second for me.

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