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Scott Benner 0:00
Hello friends and welcome to episode 1131 of the Juicebox Podcast

Megan is 34 years old she's had type one diabetes for about two years. And this conversation goes in a number of different directions. We talked about hypothyroidism PCOS type one diabetes mismanagement from physicians maternity leave DKA Metformin, keto diets, shaky doctors, and the fact that Megan ran away when she was 17 to Mexico to marry her husband. Please don't forget that nothing you hear on the Juicebox Podcast should be considered advice, medical or otherwise, always consult a physician before making any changes to your health care plan are becoming bold with insulin. When you place your first order for ag one with my link, you'll get five free travel packs and a free year supply of vitamin D. Drink ag one.com/juice box. Don't forget to save 40% off of your entire order at cozy earth.com All you have to do is use the offer code juice box at checkout that's juice box at checkout to save 40% at cozy earth.com.

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Megan 2:01
My name is Megan Della Torre and I live here in San Antonio, Texas and I am a recently diagnosed type one diabetic.

Scott Benner 2:08
How old are you? Megan? I am 3434 Recently meaning this year. I

Megan 2:14
know like I literally was probably 31 going on 32 Whenever I got diagnosed, and it was by chance I wasn't even like I didn't have I guess the typical symptoms are not that I was aware of the over typical symptoms because I have family members that they are diabetic, but they're type two, or that they even know of and I've I've encouraged them to go to the doctor and just tell them like you know, get the test done to see if you are type one because I was misdiagnosed but they're the gosh darn stubborn. But anyways, I found out when I was about 31 or 32.

Scott Benner 2:49
Okay, what's your ethnic background? I

Megan 2:52
am Caucasian, but I am married. I married a gentleman that is from Mexico. So I had to learn Spanish and I have a very Spanish last name.

Scott Benner 3:01
So Megan, like I was like, so it was meaningful. Because if you have a lot of type two in your family, I actually just put an episode up yesterday, with somebody with a Spanish background. It was really common in their family. And I thought I'll dig that out. But you and I are looking at each other today. And I'm looking at you and I'm like, that's a white lady. But you rolled through Toro like you weren't and I was like, I don't understand what's happening. I guess it would have been no no one.

Megan 3:30
Even though people I work with whenever they find out that I speak Spanish fluently because I actually funny side note I actually ran away with my husband when I was 17. My parents didn't want us to be together. And so I lied and said I was going somewhere else. And I crossed over the border into Mexico with my husband and lived there with him for two and a half years. Oh, Megan,

Scott Benner 3:47
you're gonna be a lot of fun. Okay, so, yes. So my brain doesn't work, right? I'm trying to imagine the Mexican family that sat around pregnant was like, let's call the baby Megan. Played, it doesn't make any sense. No.

Megan 4:04
To make any sense. Here, my mother in law and my son's name because his name is Braden and she called him but I then she doesn't know how to say it. So I felt terrible naming him and not very Spanish name. I'm

Scott Benner 4:14
thinking this is the equivalent of we would have named Cole Javier. And so yeah, anyway, now it all makes sense to me. Okay. Well, I mean, honestly, before we talk about you, before we talk about your diabetes, your household and you're dating a man 3434 Now 17

Megan 4:32
We started dating when I was 16. And then when I was 17, he wanted me to go with him to Mexico and he is 10 years older. So he thought that my parents agreed to it and they did not. I laughed. And I went with them and I called my dad when I got across the border and I was like, Hey, I'm not really at the beach. I actually went to Mexico and I'm not coming back,

Scott Benner 4:52
because I'm gonna have sex and marry a 27 year old guy.

Megan 4:58
Sounds like he's in love. My wife and I love him dad. And he's like, well have fun with that one. Don't come back to my house. I was like, okay, whoa,

Scott Benner 5:06
wait a minute. Can I be booted you? Well? Yeah,

Megan 5:09
my dad is very military, like he was in the military for like 28 years. So he's like, he literally got so angry. He was like, my house is not a hotel. Once you're gone like that, that you're about to be a team. Like, if you're making this choice, you're gonna settle with this choice. You're an adult. So

Scott Benner 5:25
even he was trying to get you to change your mind and come home.

Megan 5:28
I think he was trying to scare me, because over there in Mexico at the time, it was when the cartel was starting to get pretty bad. So I think he was just really worried about my well being, but like, in a very ugly

Scott Benner 5:40
I was gonna add, so I have a question. Is it the Mexican part or the 27 year old part that bothered him?

Megan 5:47
No, I think it was just the fact that I went to another country and I didn't listen to what he was telling me to do because he loved my husband. Always had

Scott Benner 5:55
Oh, okay, there's no prejudice here. There's no like, it was just like, Well, why did you do that?

Megan 6:00
It was just like, I I just was headstrong teenage knee, I guess and just thought that this was the best idea in the whole entire world. And I mean, now it's a funny story that we all laugh about. But back then, man, it was not the funny of mad at me. Yeah,

Scott Benner 6:14
my wife got kicked out of the house for going on vacation with me. Oh my gosh, for that far apart in age. I don't think I've ever told that. I've ever said this on the podcast. Probably not. Okay, I'll tell you. Go for it. People are like, What's it like having a podcast? I said, there's this moment where you pause and think I shouldn't tell anybody this and then you keep talking. And that's having a podcast. Yeah. So my wife's in college. She stressed out. I'm not dating her for I mean, that long, maybe a year and I'm visiting her and recognizing Hey, this girl is not okay. You know, like she's overwhelmed and everything and I said I don't have a ton of money. I was like, I have a little bit. I bet we could do one of those like, quick three day getaway things where you jump on a plane, couple hours later you're on an island, you know, two days later you're back home again. But you know it was a listen we couldn't I couldn't afford to go and to eat it was one of the other so we packed like canned goods in our luggage like I'm not kidding like we probably tuna fish with us to the Bahamas. Right? And and we you know, we jumped on a plane and it just to get her away like she just laid on the beach to be perfectly honest. You know what she laid there she relaxed. We had a couple of meals and we came home again. Months and months and months later. She was home for a holiday I want to say Thanksgiving. And her mom snooped through all of her belongings which apparently was fairly common. And found the remember they used to do the customs forms on the airplane. Yeah. And you'd have to fill out like if you declared anything. So Kelly being like a diligent type a Catholic girl she fills the even we're not claiming anything. She fills the form out very diligently. I remember on the plane taking the forum being like and throwing this right out and like what she's like, you know, filling it out. Where are you coming from? Where are you going like all this stuff. She kept it in her bag. And her mom found it. And so her mom came to her and said did you go to the Bahamas and not tell us and Kelly goes if you take insulin or sulfonylureas you are at risk for your blood sugar going too low. You need a safety net when it matters most. Be ready with G voc hypo pen. My daughter carries G voc hypo pen everywhere she goes because it's a ready to use rescue pen for treating very low blood sugar and people with diabetes ages two and above that I trust. Low blood sugar emergencies can happen unexpectedly and they demand quick action. Luckily, G voc hypo pen can be administered in two simple steps even by yourself in certain situations. Show those around you where you storage evoke hypo pen and how to use it. They need to know how to use Tchibo Capo pen before an emergency situation happens. Learn more about why G vo Capo pen is in Ardens diabetes toolkit at G voc glucagon.com/juicebox. G voc shouldn't be used if you have a tumor in the gland on the top of your kidneys called a pheochromocytoma. Or if you have a tumor in your pancreas called an insulinoma visit G voc glucagon.com/risk For safety information. The contour next gen blood glucose meter is sponsoring this episode of The Juicebox Podcast. And it's entirely possible that it is less expensive in cash than you're paying right now for your meter through your insurance company. That's right. If you go to my link contour next one.com/juicebox You're going to find links to Walmart, Amazon Walgreens CVS Rite Aid Kroger and Meijer. You could be paying more right now through your insurance for your test strips and meter, then you would pay through my link for the contour next gen and contour next test strips in cash. What am I saying? My link may be cheaper out of your pocket than you're paying right now, even with your insurance. And I don't know what meter you have right now, I can't say that. But what I can say for sure is that the contour next gen meter is accurate. It is reliable. And it is the meter that we've been using for years, contour next.com/juicebox. And if you already have a contour meter, and you're buying test strips doing so through the Juicebox Podcast link will help to support the show. No. And she pulls out this customs form and holds in her face. And she says, well, then what's this? And my wife goes, Oh, yeah, it's the customs form from when I went to the Bahamas. And boom, she kicked her right. Oh, no, right there. She

Megan 10:56
just tear. But why though, just because she left the house or went on vacation or out of the states or when power

Scott Benner 11:03
move? My best guess?

Megan 11:05
Oh my gosh,

Scott Benner 11:06
I think she thought she was gonna buckle and be like, I'm so sorry. And like, kind of like fold. But what she, what she didn't count on was that if that had been happening to Kelly through her life, from her parents, that that kind of power thing. What they didn't count on was because I was a couple of years older than her. And my dad left when I was 13. I had been running a family for 10 years already. Like I if you throw a problem in front of me, I don't go Oh, no, I fix it. Right, Kelly called me and I was like, that's fine. You can come live with me. And I didn't like it to be honest with you. I wasn't looking for my girlfriend to live with me. I just I'm a I don't know, I fix things like so like, you know, took her in. And I mean, there was always this part of me that thought like, we'll work this out. Like, this isn't gonna go on forever. You know what I mean? Man, I don't know. Like, I mean, we got married a couple of years later, I got her through college, like she couldn't pay for college anymore. Like her family literally told her we're not paying for school anymore. That's it. They transferred her student loan debt into her name, and just laid it on her. Like, they tried really hard to like, force her home. But I was just like, I could handle that. Like, like, you know, like, so we kept going. I don't remember how old she was then. I mean, maybe 21 Maybe 21. But she didn't see your family again for like, maybe a year or so after we got married. Like so it was like, it was just ridiculous. Anyway, I resonate with your story, because there's this moment when parents just go to say something ludicrous. Like her mom could have just said, Why did you feel the need to go away and not tell us? And you know, and right. I'm sure my wife could have been said to her, hey, well, you know, you've been unreasonable in the past and I thought you might be unreasonable. I don't know why I thought that that you know, like, but instead she just was like, No, I'm doing it. And so And trust me, I didn't drag my wife there. I didn't kidnap her. But she wasn't like, Yeah, fuck my parents. Let's go. She was nervous right up until I got her on the beach and the sun hit her. And then she was like, Okay, this is okay.

Megan 13:05
Yeah, because she's not thinking about that anymore. She's enjoying the moment. Finally.

Scott Benner 13:09
Yeah, so anyway, I saved your short term ruined her life long term saved it again. It's all fine now.

Megan 13:16
Okay, as long as there's a good story,

Scott Benner 13:19
I just love that you were like, I'm not coming home. I live here now with my the love of my life, a 27 year old guy.

Megan 13:27
I know, hey, we're still together. So it's even better? I think and I don't know, it worked out. And no, it's amazing. One of those things to tell your kids whenever they get older. Yeah, after

Scott Benner 13:36
they're too old to do that. You don't want to tell you don't tell them when they're 12?

Megan 13:42
I know. No, I don't think so. Because my son will ask me all the time. He's like, how did you guys meet? I don't understand. And he's only nine. And I'm like, cuz I was best friends with his cousin that we went to high school together. And that's how I saw him. And I would go over there like a lovestruck little teenager, and I'm like, I'm gonna marry you one day. And he's like, this girl's weird. Like, she's this weird 16 year old little kid. That and then we went on one date, and it was history from there. So

Scott Benner 14:06
look at your phone. All right, so you're 34 Now you've got type one diabetes. Tell me about your presentation. So it

Megan 14:13
all started. We went through it was really weird. We actually went to Vegas during the pandemic. And I thought my coworkers actually started telling me hey, you should try keto diet because I had gained a significant amount of weight after having my son. I mean, I literally I've always been about maybe 130 pounds. I'm only five five. So after I had my son, I jumped up to about 262 70 and my coworkers. Yeah, it was that I had gotten diagnosed after having him I got diagnosed with hypothyroid and PCOS. And so anyways, I started a new job. My coworkers started telling me hey, you should try keto diet. That's what we're on and that works. That's great and whatever, right? So it kind of went hand in hand. It was perfect. Like timing because at that time, not knowing I was diabetic, it started kind of helping me. Well, I started feeling weird symptoms anyways, but I started having to go to the bathroom a lot more like ridiculously, where I wasn't even drinking anything. And I was constantly having to go to the bathroom and I'm like, Okay, this is weird. The middle of the night, I would get up and I would do it. And my doctor was like, no, no, it's okay. Like, you're on a keto diet. This is pretty normal. But I had gotten to the doctor so often, they didn't think to do lab that guess at the time, it wasn't something that was striking them as odd. And so we came back, and I started doing gardening outside with my husband, and I'm like, hey, my stomach hurts really bad. Like, I can't sit down and I can't stand up. I'm uncomfortable. I need you to take me to the doctor. Like something's wrong. This doesn't feel right. And so he took me to the emergency room on the corner. And he's, the doctor came back in and was like, you're diabetic, right? And I'm like, No, and they're like, No, yeah, we're not asking like, we're telling you your blood sugar's like 850 Oh, my God, I'm like, Oh, my Yeah. And so they're like, we're gonna start you on some insulin right now. But we're gonna send you home after that. We have to just you start talking to your family physician. I'm like, okay, so I let them know. And then they diagnosed me right there in the emergency room as a type two, no questions asked no, like, Hey, this is kind of weird that you're this high. All of a sudden, when I had just maybe gotten my labs done with my family physician, like three months prior to and nothing came up. And they had done my blood glucose and everything. So nothing stood out to them. But I called my family physician, they brought me in, and then I ended up doing bloodwork with them. And I had high cholesterol, which it was like to the point where I should have had a stroke. They didn't run any other tests other than my blood glucose. And it came out that I was like three something that present day. And so they started me on Metformin. And then they started me on cholesterol medication. But then as the Metformin at first it started working, but again, I was on a keto diet. So it kind of was helping because I wasn't eating any carbs. I was literally restricting myself down to weight even less than what my doctor was telling me. I was maybe in taking all of like 20 grams of carbs and a whole day. And so I had started I went from about 260 I started losing weight, I got down to about 190 but it was like in less than three months. Well,

Scott Benner 17:18
you haven't the pounds in three months. I literally it

Megan 17:21
was like within it was so noticeable. And it made me so sick that like I literally everybody kept saying it was the keto diet, that the keto diet was making me feel like that because and I was restricting myself from carbs that that's why I felt like I did but not knowing it was because I guess my sugar had been high for so long, that coming down from that or being that high that it was like almost like an alcoholic being weaned off of alcohol.

Scott Benner 17:44
You were using insulin at that point or no, just Metformin? No, just that format your blood sugar so high that you're probably in decay or close to it the whole time. Right.

Megan 17:54
So check. Yeah, so check this out. So they put me on Metformin, and it was working at first, like I said, with the keto diet and everything. And then my biggest thing is I'm not like, I'm not a sweet drinker, like I don't drink Coke. I don't do juices. I don't do anything like that. But my my biggest thing was always candy. So I thought I did it to myself. I'm over here thinking like, oh my god, I'm a type two diabetic. And it's the candy that did me and like, I'm a terrible person. And so I'm very OCD. And so I started restricting myself on everything. So I started dropping weight, like significantly. I started running every day, I started like, getting into mad exercise, and then the Metformin no longer started working anymore completely stopped. So they added on, I think it was first Sega, and then they changed it to guardian. So then I ended up being all in all at the very end of it all. I ended up being on five different medications for my diabetes, but not insulin. Well, my main doctor, yeah,

Scott Benner 18:53
give me a sec here. No, I just want to make sure you went to urgent care first, right?

Megan 18:58
Urgent Care first and then my family physician when

Scott Benner 19:00
you go to the family physician, do you tell them I have type two diabetes? They told me that an urgent care? Yep, yeah, I, I can't I can't stress enough to people if you're listening. Don't go tell them what's wrong. Let them try to fix you. It's nice to hear people like work through the problem. Now I'm not blaming you, but you set up a narrative when you walk in. I have type two diabetes. The guy up the street just told me and now that's the path you're on. You don't I mean,

Megan 19:26
exactly. Yeah, exactly. And so I think by even doing that as well, well, I was actually lucky because the lady that was physically treating me at the time at my family physician, she ended up going on maternity leave. And then I ended up getting another nurse practitioner that stepped in and she is amazing. And she started getting very curious about like what was happening with me because my sugars were all over the place. She put me on a FreeStyle Libre and then she's like, Okay, if something isn't right but we're gonna keep trying to figure this out because your sugars at this point like i She was really persistent. You want me you'd be on insulin. I said, no, like, I'm type two, I'm not going to be on insulin, like, I'm gonna get rid of this, I'm gonna reverse that I'm gonna get it under control. And so she's like, Okay, well, the next step is insulin, I'm just letting you know. I'm like, okay, so I got it under control for the most part. But then I started that high exercise like high intensity weightlifting. And so then come to find out when I was doing it, my liver was dumping glucose. So my sugar would die rocket when I was working out, right. So for like, months at a time, I would literally like in the morning, and then to top it all off, I have Dawn phenomenon. So when I would wake up in the morning, my sugar would just skyrocket for absolutely no reason, whatever it may be, and then it would come right back down. And then it would be normal levels, and then I would work out and it would skyrocket again, and then I would be fine the rest of the day.

Scott Benner 20:53
Yeah, you know, what I want to say here is that Jenny and I are make, I don't know how much of the podcasts listen to but Jenny and I are making this series right now that's aimed at doctors and patients at the same time. So to tell doctors kind of the things they should and shouldn't do, and to tell patients the things that they should expect or kind of push back against like, it's, it's a, it's a, it's gonna, it's going well, and I think it's going to be a great series that comes out next year. But we're talking a lot about language. And it's interesting where that doctor goes wrong with you. When you say I don't want insulin, you see insulin as an escalation. Is that the word? Yes, an escalation, right, like like, Oh, my diabetes is bad, but it'll be worse if I'm using insulin. She agrees with that. That's the problem. Like you could have dieted away your type two diabetes, if that was your goal. And taking insulin at the same time, those two things are not mutually exclusive at all. But you thought they were I understand why you thought that, because that's the narrative in the world. But that a doctor agrees with that is insane. Like the next thing she should have said was, no, no, you can do both of these things at the same time, then we'll take you off the insulin. Yeah, just that makes me upset. I think because my head so far into it, making that series right now. This is a classic story. And fascinating. You're telling it really well, I didn't mean to cut you off. I'm sorry. No, you're good, other than to say, Megan, I'm not a doctor. I'm like the furthest thing from a doctor. And you had hypothyroidism and PCOS before your diabetes onset. I don't know how anybody with eight minutes worth of like knowledge doesn't know to look for type one. Now. You have autoimmune autoimmune already, right now.

Megan 22:27
Yeah. So like, in hindsight, it's kind of wild because I like get kind of mad, like at the situation, looking back at it, knowing more now. But like even leaving the emergency room that day, I was like, looking back at it. I'm thinking they didn't give me anything to tide me over until I find my doctor. They didn't give me any sort of like paperwork that said, like, Hey, this is how you can try to help yourself or like any sort of guidance, I guess. So here I am. panicking and doing the worst thing ever, which you're looking at Google your I wasn't even like looking at things that are like reliable, it was bad information to get go. And so I'm like, over here, thinking the worst. And I'm like, oh my god, I'm gonna die. Like it's my head's gonna fall off if like, you know, like the works in Google, even like, come up with like, all the worst scenarios. So. So back to the whole dieting and the exercising it actually come to find out. I have a I work for a transportation for district for school district. I'm a manager and so we have to hold a CDL. And I had done a physical for work. And the girl told me after I did the urine sample, she said, Are you diabetic? And so the I Am and she goes, you might want to call your doctor, I just did the strip and you were spilling a massive amount of ketones at the strip is black. And I've never seen that and I was like, Okay, well, like let me call my doctor. I don't even know what that means. And so she's I call my doctor, she called me back and she's like, don't worry about it. You're on a keto diet. I'm like, okay, she goes, Are you having any symptoms? And I'm like, I mean, now that you say it, I the only thing I've noticed is that my sugars are really high. I lost my appetite and I keep feeling like I can't breathe. And that

Scott Benner 24:12
trip by the way, my my ketones aren't high the test strip when it died.

Megan 24:16
Exactly, like it just went up in smoke. It dipped in the fire up, like incinerated. I mean, like, so I'm sitting here like, okay, cool, like, I'm good. I'm like, I'm in my mind thinking like as a dummy, like, okay, like, cool. Like, you're no, you're the doctor, you're gonna tell me the truth. And so I'm thinking great. I'm doing a great job at this keto thing, right? No, not even two weeks later. It's the first like week of school, which is like chaotic, and so we're literally like, It's a Thursday night. I make dinner for everybody. And it's like fresh in my mind. I literally made this keto. Like rap list, pork, whatever. And I was like, within 30 minutes getting sick. Mm. And I'm like, Oh my god. So I dump it out because I'm not the type of person that gets sick and I'm very careful with my food. So I was like, Okay, I just gave everybody food poisoning. So here I am dumping pork out. And my mother in law was like, but that didn't taste that nothing's wrong with it. Like, where are you doing that? And I was like, I just got sick. And she's like, Okay, well, you know, I don't think it was the food go lay down. You don't look good. And I was like, okay, so I went laid down, got sick again. And it kept going, but it wasn't like a normal kind of sick where you feel sick. It was like, I literally was like, throwing up and it was like, not even the right kind of color wasn't even like a bio color.

Scott Benner 25:32
Oh, dying looks different than regular being sick. Yeah. Yeah, exactly.

Megan 25:38
So here I am, like thinking, Oh, my God, you know, I'm driving the bus and the pandemic. I've never gotten COVID yet. And so I'm thinking God, I got COVID or something like, I don't know what COVID is, like, I know you get cold like symptoms. And that's it. And I'm thinking, Oh, my God, these kids got me. But then it still kept happening. And I'm like, anything other than like, what it really was right? And so I ended up finally, I come to work, sick. And my boss was like, No, you don't look right. Like, do you need to go home and I'm like, Okay. I don't remember driving home. I remember laying down at home and my husband finally woke me up and I was still getting sick. And he said, I want to take you to the doctor's, something's wrong. Like I'm scared for you. And I sat up. I went to go from our bedroom to the couch, and I couldn't breathe. And I couldn't have I couldn't catch my breath. And I thought, I think I'm dying. Like I literally

Scott Benner 26:35
got that one. Right. Yeah. And

Megan 26:37
so they took me to that stupid emergency room again. And the doctor came in and was like, I need to send you out immediately. You are DKA and you are paying to pancreatitis, and I'm like, Oh, my God. And I was like, I don't even know what that means. What is that? And he's like, you could potentially die because your organs are already starting to try to shut down.

Scott Benner 26:58
It's just, I'm just keto.

Megan 27:01
Yeah, I know. I was like, No, I just been exercising. Like, no. I know. And I'm like, How is this possible? And so he's like, but this is the crazy thing is like it was only my sugars were only high after I would get done working out. So my sugars on my FreeStyle Libre, were telling me I was at like, 90% for my sugar. Like all like I was pretty much always in range.

Scott Benner 27:26
But the range is also up to like, 200, right? Yeah, exactly.

Megan 27:30
You don't know. It was like, exactly. It's crazy, like, so when I ended up in the ICU. And they kept me in there for two days. And my now my endocrinologist is treating me he actually was the one that treated me for hypothyroid. But I, you know, dumped on me, I stopped going to go see him because I thought, you know, I'm healthy. I'm fine. He came in and he said, Oh, it's you. And I was like, Hi. And he goes, so I want to test something. And I said, Yeah, and he goes, I have a sneaky suspicion. But I'm not going to tell you until I get done doing these three simple tests on the audit should have been done, I think from the get go. And I said, Okay, he came back within an hour. He said, I need to talk to you and I need you to understand something. I said, what he goes, You were misdiagnosed, you're not type two. And that's not something you're reversing, you have type one and he goes, it's type one ladder. And he's like, it's a late adult, like onset of diabetes. He's like, but you, he goes, You were born with it. But something set it off and triggered it now, as an adult and he goes, your pancreas is literally kaput, like there's nothing that's going to do for you anymore, right? He's like, so there's no more medication. He goes, I'll keep you on Metformin if you want to. Because he goes, I know you're very careful with your weight. He said, I really don't want to he goes, but we're gonna do insulin right now. And so from there, like even when I was in the ICU, they were having it was so bad. And I was so sick. I was on there for like a week and a half. They have an insulin drip on one arm and a sugar drip on the other.

Scott Benner 28:55
Trying to get a balance though. Exactly.

Megan 28:59
Because they didn't want to bother me out because my sugars were fine. But I was so DKA and had been DKA for over like a couple of weeks, I guess.

Scott Benner 29:08
For Yeah, to flush that part. Hey, amount of time between the first visit to the local place where they said you had type two and the day where somebody told you to type one how much time was in between there.

Megan 29:22
One year? Wow. One year to the date.

Scott Benner 29:26
Right. And because it's Lada and it's a slow onset, you didn't just drop dead by the way, if it would have happened faster, your one year would have happened sooner and you would have hopefully run to the hospital and then okay, but your body kept helping and then stopping helping and then back and forth like that. Isn't that crazy? And I just don't even understand. You know, you use that phrase in range. And I thought that's the maybe the worst phrase that that people talk about. Like I don't just mean with diabetes either, like thyroid. Oh, don't worry. It's in range. Oh my TSH is four that's in range. But I have all these symptoms, but it's in range. And so you get these people in. I mean, in positions of power in medicine who don't really understand the details, and they just they pull up a chart and go, No, it's green on the thing. You're fine. Like, I mean, that's how you that's your understanding of this, like, great. Oh, my God, Jesus. If one kid, right? Yeah, yeah. You know, your husband had to save you. Because as much fun as it was when you guys were younger, now he's like, I'm never getting the girl 10 years younger than me. Now I really gotta hold on to her. I know. I'm gonna need her to take care of me. I know get off the sofa. You're not dying. Meghan get up.

Megan 30:43
That's pretty much that and it's funny that you say that because that's exactly what he said. He goes afterwards he goes, who's gonna take care of me if you're not here? And I was like, Oh, my God, I'm terrible. He's typical Marchesa.

Scott Benner 30:55
I don't know what that means. But I know how boys think so. Like, typical

Megan 30:59
like Mexican man, I guess you could say like, he's like, how in Mexico, their culture, like the women take care of their men. He's typical. Like, now you better get up because he was gonna make my food for me tomorrow because he would burn water if he had the opportunity.

Scott Benner 31:11
My wife got a little lippy the other day. And I said, Listen, I'm losing weight now. So I think I'm not scared anymore. I could turn this around in two seconds. I can find a nice lady. And so be careful. Also, my daughter, Arden, were driving in the car, like the last time she was home. I don't know where I've said this once in the podcast, but if it's Here she goes. You know, if mom dies, I could see you with a nice Indian lady. And I went, Yeah. And she goes, yeah. And I said, why she was I don't know, I just see it. And I said, Why are we painting a picture where mom dies? She does. I don't mean, like, you know what I mean? Like I said, I don't understand this conversation at all, but okay. And then so we found that dark really fast. We went back and told Kelly as a keynote, I said art and said that if you die, she can see me with a lovely Indian woman. And Kelly laughs and she said something like, Oh, please, she goes, You are such a catch. For like a middle aged woman with type one diabetes. They're gonna be lined up at the door. And I was like, oh, yeah, you're right about that. You imagine, you're having trouble dating, you're in your 40s got fired? She goes, she's like, you're gonna be taken care of some woman's type one for the rest of your life if I die, and I was like, Oh, you might be right about that. Oh, my God, not the point. The point is I got your husband was like, Oh, pretty much. I know that a light bulb went off like oh, shoot, like in a little accent. Oh, shoot, I think you're sick. That's fantastic. All right. So this doctor, I mean, saves you from this problem. What happens when you go back to your doctor who for a year has been telling you the wrong things? Do you ever go back?

Megan 32:45
I do. So she actually like I think she felt very bad because I was not in her defense. I really wasn't symptomatic to even being DKA because I really wasn't other than that not really having an appetite. I'm not really a big either. Anyway, so I think that's probably what deterred her from even having like the thought of like, something is wrong with you. But she literally told me I am so sorry. Because had I known sooner or even had like any inclination that that's even what it was she goes, but you are not symptomatic. Like not typical symptomatic for DKA or anything. Also,

Scott Benner 33:23
I think being keto masked a couple of things along the way, right gives an airhead at least.

Megan 33:29
Exactly what my thing is to is like, again, I mean, in her defense, I didn't even have pain. They were asking me like, Do you have pain and like because pancreatitis I got apparently is supposed to cause the legs severe pain, and I had no pain at all. Nothing and so it was just the only thing that they did when I got there was they started making sure that I was comfortable. They were giving me the insulin they were coming in every hour take in my blood. And that's basically it. I mean, I was just waiting for them to tell me I was good to go. And I didn't have any sort of symptoms Other than that,

Scott Benner 34:01
any trouble eating pork? Today? Does it make you sick? Oh, yeah,

Megan 34:06
I can't even anything like that. Even honestly, like I tried to stay keto diet, but then I'm like, You know what? Screw it. Like at this point. There's no point like of even trying to maintain something like that. It's not especially because like if I do a keto diet, my sugar will drop so freakin fast because it's damn Omni pod that I'm like, I can't do it.

Scott Benner 34:24
You're on the algorithm using only about five. Yeah,

Megan 34:27
my doctor I finally gave in because I was doing I was on a chemo log pen. And then on a actually because of your podcast, I was I was understanding how all of that works. But like Bolus thing and all of that. So I thought it was doing a great job. But he told me that with how severe everything was, when that happened to me, He really really wanted me to be on an Omnipod so that I'm not having to think about it or try to like gauge it myself. And he's like, just take all the thinking out of it and just let that thing do it for you. And if you have issues after that, then we'll come back and go over He says that he's like what I really really want you to be on on Omni pod. And I was like, I feel like this is for your benefit, not mine, but we'll go for it. Whatever you say. Now I'm not trusting doctors so much. Yeah,

Scott Benner 35:08
I was gonna say your you've different thoughts now when people say things like you might be wrong and trying to kill me. So yeah, well, I mean, I get it like, Wait, are you in Omnipod? Fi or only pot dash v pod five, five. Okay, so the algorithm is running for you. And yeah, and when you eat keto on it, you had trouble. God,

Megan 35:26
yeah, if I even like try to follow any sort of like strict low carb diet, like I literally will drop so fast. And it doesn't even it's within like, maybe, I don't know, because I'm pretty, I'm pretty terrible if I restrict myself because I literally will, I'll go i There's no middle ground. For me. I'm either zero to 100, or like nothing at all. So I literally if I go keto, I'm like not in taking anything all day long. I'll try to maybe do a bare minimum of like, 30 grams of carbs. If I go over, I get mad at myself. Yeah.

Scott Benner 35:54
So that's what I was thinking. If you're wearing that device, and eating, not keto, and then all of a sudden jump into it really drastically, it's going to I mean, it's thinking about your needs from yesterday. And if your needs changed significantly, then that's where you're going to be real quickly. So I'm sure if you stayed with it for a little while, and you were strictly keto, I don't see why you couldn't run that system. And pretty well, actually. But the problem is, if you bounce back and forth from very drastic to not drastic, then it's going to, you know, it's almost the same as Have you ever heard people talk about, like, Oh, my kids super active during the week, and not during the weekend. And you know, so they get higher blood sugar's on the weekend, because the algorithm by the way, this wouldn't, I don't even really doesn't matter what algorithm it is, but like the algorithms thinking, activity activity, and then all of a sudden it goes away, and then it comes back. And yeah, it's, I take your point. So I mean, I don't know, like, I ate very low carb once, when I was younger. And we did it to lose weight. Back before people called it keto, and stuff like that. There was a, you know, there was a doctor, and they give his name, he had a book, it was really popular. And basically, I just came home, we were really young. And I said to my wife, I was like, I think if we don't eat carbs, we'll lose weight. So like, you know, I grew up incredibly poorly. Like, I didn't know what the hell I was doing. And she wasn't much better off as far as nutrition went, you know, I remember making a lot of chicken wings and things like that. And like, you know, eating stuff, like eating just a lot of like, you know, meat and stay away from carbs and losing a bunch of weight, like, you know, this, you know, back then it was crazy. The internet is white people name things. I don't know if people know that like when you're younger, right? You know? Yeah,

Megan 37:36
I don't think they realize that either. Someone came up with a brilliant idea of calling it something in the mid just flew with it. Everything's

Scott Benner 37:41
branded now. Because it has to be because else How are you going to talk about it online or have a website for it or something like that. So now it's like, I'm keto. You know, back then that was called not eating bread. You know, you know, I'm saying, we call everything something now because it needs to be named, because it's being scattered. It's being cataloged online, you know? Yeah. So there's nothing new in the world. It's just we give it names. Now, I always find that even right now, like, from the most drastic things to the simplest things from like, I don't know from like Israel, Palestine to like, how do you eat? I love it when younger people like feel like they've just like, I don't know, they're like, oh, you know what I've noticed? I'm like, yeah, we've known about that for 400 years. Thank you. I'm glad you picked up on it today in April. I know, please run to the internet and tell them how you figured everything out. Exactly. So funny. All right. Well, you're alive now. That's good. Here's an Omnipod five Dexcom je six I imagine no freestyle Omnipod. Five doesn't work with freestyle.

Megan 38:41
I know. But it's about two and the guy told me that they are in the works of progressively like, getting towards where freestyle is going to work with Omnipod. He told me to give him a couple of months and it will be so I gauge it based off of what my freestyle says. And then I enter in the information on my little device that comes with

Scott Benner 39:00
occupied Wait a minute, you're running the algorithm, but you're feeding the number in constantly. Yes, that not exhausting a

Megan 39:07
little bit. And it's kind of irritating because I'm still I mean, it's almost like having the pen so if you think about it, because I'm still having to gauge it, but I just enter in like, however many carbs that is I can pause it if I want to I can there's lots of different things that you can do on it when it's being read manually. And so instead of it being you're

Scott Benner 39:27
in manual right now, yeah, okay, cuz I'm like you're frying my brain. I'm like, You cannot run that algorithm without being attached to a G six is like what is she talking about? Like that? There's no I just now I'm starting to Google. I'm like, that's not possible. I'm gonna have to say no to that. But okay, you're in manual. And you're, I say she's just running a regular pod right now. It's, it's basically like you're using dash because you're in Omnipod five and manual. I got it. Okay. So you've gotten away from the algorithm? Because you're switching from Dexcom to off libre, was that a financial decision? Or why did you do that?

Megan 39:59
I never Did Dexcom I always stuck with freestyle? I never liked Dexcom to be honest with you, but now it's caught my attention because I don't know, I guess it was more so that I just got stuck on freestyle comfortable with it. And I'm scared to do anything outside of that with everything.

Scott Benner 40:14
No, that's fine. But what I what I want to say is you've never used Omnipod five in automatic. Never know. Okay, so you're I got it now. So you went from MDI, to pumping. And you are getting low on when you're eating keto. Because you're you still don't know what you're doing with a pump. Like you're not

Megan 40:37
counting down. Almost like having a pen. Even when I was with the pen. And I would do it I was oh, Kay. Because I was, I don't know, like, I would get told like by some people, oh, you need to gauge it based off of like your net carbs, or total carbs, like everybody's opinions and differences and everything on like, how you should be dosing yourself. Yeah. And so I finally asked my doctor, and he said, it's whatever works for your body? Because some people, if they just dose themselves off of net carbs, and they're fine, keep going with that. Some people may be total carbs and whatever. And it's like, it just depends. Because like, for me, I can't do sugar free stuff. Even sugar free will spike me quicker than anything and other people. They're fine. Megan,

Scott Benner 41:20
have you listened to the Pro Tip series? On the podcast? No,

Megan 41:24
but I just had someone that just got done telling me about that the other day on the Facebook, they were they encouraged me to listen to it.

Scott Benner 41:31
You should you're not. There's stuff about how insulin works that you don't know yet. And I think so I'm just gonna plug it here. It's episode 1002 1026 in the player. And I think if you listen to that, you might have a number of lightbulb moments that will help you. And Oh, heck yeah, because understanding your settings better and how to use insulin is gonna set you up much better for when you actually turn on the pod five from manual to automatic, because if your settings are, I'm telling you right now, there's also three episodes about setting up Omni pod five, it's in the eight hundreds, it's a it's a protip series about Omnipod five, overview settings and something else, if you set that on a pod five up in automation, with bad settings, you're gonna you're in for a storm, it's not going to go well, like so like you have to have good settings. And if you don't know how to use insulin right, then your settings are wrong. And then you're gonna go into automation have a lot of trouble. So I'm being serious, take some time, listen to the Pro Tip series, have your aha moments get your settings better, you're gonna have better outcomes, you can probably go back to keto if you want to, or whatever you want to do. And then once you move to automation, you're gonna have a much better time. I also think I'm going to either call this episode driving the bus, or those little suckers got me sick. I think it's driving the bus. It's my favorite part of the ladder. But just I don't think Apple will let it be in the would let that happen. Because like that's, that's what I imagined you I imagine you at work sick as a dog looking around going, Oh, these little suckers got me sick.

Megan 43:05
I won't even lie. That's exactly what I was thinking. I was like, Danny got me sick on a bus and I'm over here dying and they don't even know. And they're all sneezing and coughing. And I'm like, Oh, poor little Johnny.

Scott Benner 43:15
Hey, that's for nothing. Can you? Can you say these little girls got me sick in Spanish.

Megan 43:20
And no, I don't even know how to say that. That that I could like off the top of my head cuz you have me on there?

Scott Benner 43:26
Well, you're still nervous. We've been doing this for 45 minutes. Yes.

Megan 43:29
After two emails I posted. I'm thermo. I think that's how you say one more time as the student emails my postman and I think

Scott Benner 43:42
that's wrong. I can't wait for somebody to send that a thing and said she just asked if my ups package was ready.

Megan 43:47
Oh my God. They called my mom something.

Scott Benner 43:53
Why are you still nervous? You're doing such a good job of telling your story.

Megan 43:55
I don't know it's just because I get really nervous talking to people about it. Because now I have people here at work actually. And it's really sad that like, oh, and to top it all off, just to put this as a side note. My the funny part about all of this and it was like the worst thing to ever happen during all of this chaos. Literally after I got diagnosed with diabetes, my husband got diagnosed with type two.

Scott Benner 44:22
Well, geez, least you know what to do for that.

Megan 44:25
I know and the great thing was that at that point, we were able to say like Okay, are you type one and they misdiagnosed you? And then it turned out he was just I do but I was actually because he's not the greatest eater? He just, I mean, it's no no same to like the culture at all. But I mean, tortillas are not exactly like the most healthiest thing and just the food in general. I mean, they use what's called Manteca, which is basically like the lard or like the grease and so they cook everything and then that's not healthy either. So it's very like fatty there. really like a highest sugar, high carb kind of diet. And so like, I mean, shoot even him in the morning with the down and he would have they call up on Tuesday, which is like sweet bread and coffee. And he I mean, that's like 40 grams of carbs right there and a little piece of bread and you're talking what are you going to eat for the rest of the day? Like, you know, hi. So I had to kind of reteach him. Is he listening? Oh, my God. Yeah, he, when he first found out his agency was like, Oh, am I do when I first found out my agency was like, almost out of 15 Oh, geez. Wow, that, yeah, so and when he first found out though, he was lucky because he was only like an eight something. So he was able to get it down. And now he's within, I guess you would call it like normal range. He's only like at a 5.2. So he's managing it really well, which is good.

Scott Benner 45:49
I mean, cultural ideas around food are very impactful for diabetes, both type one, type two, what I mentioned earlier that I have this episode that went up the other day. It's this girl's like, she's type two, she's 27. She's had type two diabetes, like legitimately had type two, just like 15 years old. And she's talking about how her parents cooked. And it's exactly what you just described. She said we were broke. It was a lot of like pasta noodles, bread sandwiches, like, you know, she said, if I actually got money, my idea of like going and eating fancy was like going to like the convenience store and getting an Arizona iced tea and a bag of chips. She's like, that was like, a night out for me, you know, and it she just said very culturally, the food is just it's tough. You know, and they, yeah, it's tough, you know, and you get used to it. And you think that's what food is, because you've been eating it your whole life. You know, it's hard. It's really difficult. I'll tell you, I don't know that without, without we go v if I ever would have like, flipped it around for myself. I did not eat a lot. And I wasn't like a really terrible eater or anything like that. But I also don't eat well. Like, I don't eat veggies. I hate vegetables. Like I like, like my parents. I mean, I grew up where if you didn't eat your food, it was there in the morning for you again. And I don't know if you've ever tried to eat a cold green bean 24 hours later, but it's upsetting. And so like, I have a lot of a lot of tactile issues with vegetables. I don't like the way they feel in my mouth. I don't like it. It's obviously childhood trauma from my terrible parenting that I was receiving around food. But that's not the point. We grew up broke. My parents didn't know. Like my mom opened a can of green beans and dumped them in a pot and warmed them up and handed him to you. She thought she was like, she thought she was serving up cuisine. You know what I mean? Like, so I'll eat meat, bread, anything dry, crunchy. I'm all good with that. But you start like if somebody asked me to describe broccoli, I was at a dinner with adults. And they were like, you don't want that. I was like, I don't like broccoli. And people are like, you don't like broccoli? And I'm like, no, no. And I started telling him about how it feels in my mouth, which got a lot of weird looks, but whatever them and I was. So I said if I had to describe broccoli to you, I would tell you, it feels like little balls in my mouth. Because the florets have those little like, and they come off in my mouth. And I hate that. Like, it's upsetting to me. Like they feel like they're everywhere inside of my mouth. And people are like, people are like, just chew and I'm like, No, I can't do that. Like I want to go You and I are looking at each other which is like odd because usually I would just mind this for like audio, but stuff like that my mouth. I can't even spit it out. Because I have to I'm like, like, I just wanted to, like, please fall out of my mouth. So I hate the way a lot of food stays. Now could I fix that? I'm a reasonably intelligent adult, I should be able to go get good vegetables, make them for myself every day and eat them. But I don't. Like, you know, and I don't have you making my food for me, telling me shut up and eat this, which is what's gonna end up saving your husband by the way, it's gonna make you pissed that Unborn is gonna save. So I know because my wife and I grew up in the same situation. So although she eats vegetables, fine, but it's still not her first thought. You know, like we just have I think I explained to Abby in that other episode, that even now, as adults who can actually afford to go grocery shopping, we still must look like just I said, I think I said rubes who found $200 in the grocery store. Because you don't because we're just like, Look at this. You remember what you were broke and it sticks to you? Like, you know, yeah, yeah, it's anyway. I don't know what

Megan 49:38
money though. I mean, food is just expensive in general anymore. I mean, it's so much easier to go grab the cheap shit than it is to even go out and grab all the good stuff. And I mean, yeah, that's being honest. I mean, every week we're spending like probably 300 If not more on food just to be healthy and it's like at the end of the day, how worth it is it like I mean, obviously your health is worth it but it Should crazy and it's like, they're setting you up for failure, basically, you know, like, they almost want you to be sick.

Scott Benner 50:06
This is gonna sound strange, hey, this existential conversation about the cost of things while putting air in my tires the other day with a gentleman who was also putting air in his tires. I'm basically having a podcast wherever I go. So. So here's the here's the lead into this, and then I'll get you to the story. This is gonna sound you know, this is this is right here. This is my brains, like don't say this, but here we go. This really old Iraq, Z 28 pulls up, but it's in great condition. Right? It's like a, I don't know how old they are. Now, they got to be almost a 40 year old car, right? Like, so this is a car that would have been amazing in the 80s. Or like, right, so and it's in great condition. And then this woman gets out of it, who also looks like she must have been amazing in the 80s. I don't know if that makes sense. So this very hot, 50 year old lady gets out of, I'm assuming would have been a really hot 20 year old girl 30 years ago gets out of a car, that would have been a really hot car 30 years ago to say, it was like they got out of a time warp. It's fantastic. That started the conversation between me and the guy with the air in the tires. And somehow that got over to honestly, I don't know. But this is very insightful about how this podcast goes. But somehow we got to what food costs and how things have changed. And I told him, I said, if you were in my brain, and walked into that convenience store, and just walked through and looked at the price and everything I was like, you'd be incensed. I'm like, I'm, like viscerally angry when I see what things cost. I was like, I was like you at this point. These kids think a 12 ounce can have something to drink being $4 is reasonable. Yeah, that cost 30 cents to make if you're lucky. And they're just like, Yeah, four bucks isn't bad. I'm like, they're just they're there. I bought King chocolate chips recently. And I'm in the grocery store. Why am I cursing about chocolate chips? Here. Here's the tissue box. Because I picked it up to put it in my cart. And as I was reaching to the car to put it in, I went, this doesn't weigh enough. And I went, what the hell. And I brought it back and I flipped it over that goddamn company, put the price up, kept the bag the same size and took two ounces of chips out of the bag. And I was I've been buying these chips for 10 years, I was like this bags to Light as He charged me more and gave me less chips, you sons of bitches. And nobody's mad. And I'm like, see, we've loaded everybody into this happy thing where everybody's like, nice to each other. Like you need a couple of people like me running around going motherfuckers are ripping us off. And like, you know, like in the kid don't know, he's gonna go in that store. He's gonna buy a cat or something. He's gonna grab a sandwich. He's gonna pay 20 bucks for it and not think twice about it. You know, I say you

Megan 52:42
just hit the nail on the head. It's because they don't know. They don't know, like, what it was before. And now I don't know when it changed. But we've all been asleep. And it's just changed. Yeah, like, almost overnight. It was.

Scott Benner 52:52
They used COVID. They're like, stuff's harder to make. Now it costs more. And we were like, alright, well, I mean, like, COVID I guess it's okay. Yeah, exactly. I just kept going. It's that those young people thing, like, I am, like, with my kids all the time. I always make a point about $20. Like, because the moment my kids don't think $20 is a lot of money. I think they're in trouble. You like I really do. I think they're in trouble. It's bad enough. Like, you know, you're married. You get married and have kids, there's a moment where everything costs $100. Like you don't buy anything, it's not $100. And then one day, it's $1,000. You're like, I never buy anything. It doesn't cost $1,000 I need a new phone. It's $1,000 I have to pay the electric bill that's $400 and I have to go food shopping, boom. $1,000 is gone. Like like that kind of stuff like it. It's fascinating. But you get accustomed to it the next generation isn't going to know any better. They're going to think that my house is worth the 2 million. It's happening. It happened to people in California 40 years ago, you're in a city rancher. It's not $4 million. It's if if a contractor came out and built your house, maybe cost them 50 or $100,000 worth of materials to put your house up. They probably pay a bunch of guys next to nothing to do it. And then you're gonna pay them $4 million for it like, Okay, go ahead, I guess. Yeah, go ahead if you want I guess like it's, I built a house. Like I bought my wife and I bought a crappy house. Like, I mean, if I told you that with the house of my wife and I bought, we got married, we had an apartment. We bought a condo. We got lucky in the condo appreciated. So we were able to get out of it with some cash enough to put down on a house. This is how the American Dream is supposed to work. And so we put it down on this like, terrible house and it but it was on a great piece of property. We're like, alright, we're paying for the property, not the house and we had this like very youthful idea like we're going to make enough money to build a better house here. By the way, that was not as easy as hey, maybe it was a lot easier to say it than it was to accomplish it. I lived in a house for, I don't know, 810 years, where once we tore it down, we learned that the walls were insulated with crumbled up newspaper, that when things like we weren't, we once opened the drawer to our, our utensils where our knives and forks were I swear to the face of the drawer had broken off so many times like the the front plate where the handle is had pulled off so many times that we couldn't get it to go back on anymore. So do you know what we did, we moved the utensils to a different drawer, and then put something that we never used in that one, and then it didn't have a front on it anymore. Like, we were like we were properly broke, you know what I mean? And in this really terrible little house. And then one day, we made enough money to basically tear down the house and build a new house on top of it. Now that sounds like I'm rich, but I'm not, it was only 1000 square foot house to begin with. So not very big, you could stand in my kitchen and look catty corner across the house, right into the far corner of the master bedroom, the master bedroom, which by the way, is our dining room now, which is how small my bedroom was not the point. The point is, the only way we're able to afford to do that is that we knew the builder. And so we knew this gentleman who had been building houses his whole life, and an older man with a real reputable company. But they hit a downturn. And he was getting ready to lose his foreman because they didn't have any work. So I was able to basically pay him what it cost him to build my house, because it kept all of his guys working for six months. So basically, we did each other a favor. Basically I floated him alone to keep his business open for six months. And in return, he built a house for me, if that makes sense. So yeah, no. So I build a house for like, that should. I mean, honestly, I didn't that back then it should have cost a half a million dollars to build it. And we built it for like $120,000 Oh, that's nice. When you finally see those things happen. You're like, so this was $120,000 project, materials, paid off, his guys did everything he needed to do made money, right. And he would have charged me a half a million if he was in a better situation. Anyway, that's what I think of when I pick up the chocolate chips. I was like, why are you what are you doing to me? And the kids? They don't know. Because they grew up and everything's so expensive. It's just what they think is right? Then they go get jobs where they're getting paid, like kids are getting out of college money. Well, yeah, they're making crap. And they're just like, they're barely dragging through it. And then when they start moving up, it's fascinating. What they don't think is a reasonable amount of money. And I guess now it isn't anymore. So I don't know. The point is that all leads to bed eating and situations like this, where two generations from now, someone's going to be saying, oh, you know, the culture. Like, you know, my husband like, seriously, 4050 years from now it's going to be an Irish guy telling his wife like, oh, you grew up like this, and blah, blah, blah. Like right now you're saying, honestly, right now you're saying my husband's from Mexico. He grew up probably with poverty, and this is what it were put him. It's gonna happen to everybody. And then this is gonna get worse and worse. So I don't know. It's upsetting. I'm getting old. It doesn't matter. I'll be out of here soon. Really have a little bit to kick the bucket, whatever. I mean, I'm 52 You know what, I got 15 years solid years. I don't mean I'm gonna die. I don't mean I'm gonna die in 15 years. But when I'm think about it, when I'm 67 You think I'm going to be running around making a podcast?

Megan 58:36
Over Hey, you never know. Just keep going on with it. And so that you're no more like Arnold Schwarzenegger. Look at him. You just came out with a frickin Netflix. It's like how old he is still relevant. Maybe you'll be relevant. 1520 more years. I

Scott Benner 58:51
just heard a really great interview with Arnold Schwarzenegger. But he was just like, talking about how he got through things and how I mean, when you really look back then he's in Austria having this dream of like going to America and even just the idea of getting here was ridiculous, you know? And he did it. So all right, you're right. I'm Arnold Schwarzenegger. I'll be fine, by the way, exactly, said a massive heart surgery and I think he's on steroids. So I'm gonna have to get some stuff together.

Megan 59:20
You're gonna have to amp your game up a little bit. But I mean, you'll get there.

Scott Benner 59:24
What should I start with? Probably, like low, like do some testosterone first, right? Like talk a doc and like, help me get a little solid?

Megan 59:31
Yeah. And maybe start dating an Indian woman after your wife dies, and that'll get you on another level. The food I heard.

Scott Benner 59:38
Well, culturally there foods not much better for you. So actually, Indian culture type two. Pretty big problem.

Megan 59:47
Oh, yeah. I'd imagine so because they just I mean, again, it's the poverty and they don't have any sort of knowledge either to even know that what they're eating is not healthy for them. And that's what it's what's out there. What they're able to have them what convenient for them at the time because if you don't have money you're gonna get whatever you can with what you have even if someone here in America on the system look at if like a woman is on WIC or something, even what's available to them for food aid with food stamps and stuff. It's not the greatest of food.

Scott Benner 1:00:15
It's also culturally it doesn't matter. Like I listen, I know a couple of like, if they're affluent, but they're, they're comfortable Indian families, and they still eat like they did when they grew up. Because it's it's just like your husband. It's in his head. Yeah, it's got

Megan 1:00:29
a comfort. Yeah, you don't want to go outside of it. Also people,

Scott Benner 1:00:34
they defend their team. I don't know a way to put that didn't mean like, you could say to somebody, Hey, that's just a box and noodles like, and it's got sauce on and you're eating bread with it and drinking a sugary drink like salvare bad for you. And they'll go like, Oh, my mom used to make this. This is what we do. You don't you mean? Like a what's the what's the sports world equivalent? Oh, people in Green Bay? Were giant foam cheese on their head. Because, right? You'd think they'd step back and look and go. But you know, that looks ridiculous. I probably shouldn't do that. But no, it feels cultural. And like, important. You know what I'm saying? And yeah, and they're proud of it. Yeah, exactly. I don't know that eating those noodles and wearing that thing on your head are any different is what I'm saying? You know, yeah, I

Megan 1:01:19
don't think so either. But even in

Scott Benner 1:01:20
Philly, like, the things that like I grew up with that I think are like, culturally, like, not just acceptable, but exciting. I'll tell you this. I'm gonna tell you a story. Okay, so I'm telling someone else's story. But it's my reaction to the story. That's important. I grew up right outside of Philadelphia. And I recently saw this baseball player, like a retired guy. I don't even think he was in the league that long. tell this story about his rookie year. He said, he's playing baseball in Philadelphia against the Phillies. He's out in the outfield. He's a rookie. And he said, this woman like in her 40s Like someone's mom is screaming at him. The entire game. I don't know the guy's name. We're just gonna say it's Megan. Okay. Megan, won't get me mad again. Look at me. She screams at him for innings. Megan, look at me, look at me, look at me. He doesn't look then he hits a homerun. And he said he's kind of feeling himself. So later in the game. Hours later, he goes out in the outfield. And he gets the nerve to turn around and look at the lady. Megan, look at me. And he turns around and looks at her. And without pause. She says I'm gonna ask your mother. And I heard that story. And I was like, Good for her. Because I tend to because where I grew up the way I grew up, I'm like, this is fantastic. She did it. Like she like, and that's a horrible story. Megan, do you understand me? It's a horrible, terrible story. That woman should not have done that. It's, it's not right. And my reaction to it was I love that story. And that's cultural to me. Like, it really is like, I hear that story. I don't just hear funny. I hear the whole thing. I hear the story that I told once on here, where there was a baseball player running off the field while I was at a Phillies game. I got the guy, the guy who lost an incredible amount of weight. It was like actually like to the point where you looked at and he's like, Well, good for him. Like he's really pulled himself together. I had that thought watching the game like this is good for him. But when he's run off the field, I yelled his name. I think it was Lance. I'm like Lance Lance Lance. He looks up into a crowd of people. And I said, I liked you better fat. And he put his head down and slunk into the dugout, and 30,000 people looked at me and they were like, yeah, and they screamed and yelled, like, I'm like, I shouldn't have done that. But it felt like, it didn't just feel right. It felt necessary. And like, but that's how I grew up. Anyway, that's me relating that story back to the cheeseheads relating it back to you eating bad food. I hope you all see the connection. Somehow, some way and if that lady's listening, brilliant, by the way, I miss told the story a little bit like he turned around and looked at her. And she actually went finally you looked at me. Thank you. I'm gonna ask your mother.

Megan 1:04:14
Okay, that's pretty brilliant. I'm not even from the East Coast. And I like that. I don't

Lija Greenseid 1:04:19
even know what that means. Like, like, other than she just said the what she thought was the worst thing she could say to him. That would be the most upsetting to him. And why? Because he was in shouting distance over. And he's somehow on the other team. It's, I don't know, it's like

Megan 1:04:35
some sort of sopranos or something.

Scott Benner 1:04:39
Well, isn't it funny you say that because yesterday, a woman my wife works with a woman to tell the story Meghan this episode is full of like stories I've never told before. I like it. Well, well my wife works with who I've never met before in person but know through zoom comes to my house because a couple of people my wife work with are going to carpool to this to another state to go to this conference together. And she's in the house. And somehow we start telling the story about when I used to work at, I'm going to keep this a little vague. I used to have a job, okay? Where I was in a marketing department, where I did the graphic design. And the way I got that job is a great story, because I have no graphic design skills or education, but I was still able to get the job. Anyway, I worked for this person who was out of their mind. And I do want to credit them because I work very quickly now because of them. Because they would, we had deadlines, monthly deadlines, and he would go around for 28 days, not do any work, and then come running at you with a month's worth of work. And it was due three days from now. And when he would get nervous that it wasn't gonna get done, he would literally stand over your shoulder with a cup of coffee and stare over your shoulder while you worked. Like so I can work under immense pressure. I'm really good at it. Like seriously, like, you could stand next to me with a gun, I could still make this podcast, I'd be like, Alright, I'm good. One month. He comes to me and says, This is a long time ago before people understood computers and everything. I wrote something at home. And then I emailed it myself at work, but I want to keep writing it. But my computer's zipped it up. So zipped it into a zip file, which I don't even know if it's the thing that people understand anymore. And he said I don't know what to do. And I said, Oh, I have a piece of software on my computer. I can unzip it for you. Email it to me, I'll unzip it. I'll send it back to you. So he does, and it's none of my business. I unzip the file, I put the document in an email, I send it back to him, I delete his email, I go back to work, because I don't I don't care. He comes running around the corner. 45 minutes later, where's my email? And I said, I sent it back to you like an hour ago. He goes, No, I saw that. Where's the one I sent you? And I went, I deleted it. And he goes, we'll go into your deleted files and delete that too. And I went, Okay, I'm like, 2425 you don't I mean? So I deleted it. And he walks away. But as soon as he walks away, I'm like, Yo, what the hell was in that file that he doesn't want me to see. And then I thought good thing he doesn't know. There's also a copy of my sent items. And so I went and I opened it up and I read his document. Now his document was a manifesto, like a rambling manifesto about the company, the CEO, the head of marketing. The other person, he worked for marketing the head of human resources. They're, like he like, destroys these people in this rambling document that he's only writing to himself. Like it's not being it's insane. Okay. I take that document, I immediately save it onto a disk. I immediately email it home to myself, and I sit on it. I don't do anything with it. I don't care. I just keep it. Why I don't know. Back then. I just did. Well, a year later. My wife is pregnant. And he's still doing the same. Every week, every month. Hold off, don't do the work. Don't do the work. Hurry up, hurry up, do it. And one day I'm working. And he goes, if you don't get this done, I'm gonna fire you. Kelly was pregnant with call. And I thought, oh, no, no, no, you're not. So I whipped out that document. I read reread it. I hadn't read it in a long time. He calls the head of human resources. Like some I forget how he put it like some like sycophant, with their head up to the CEO or something like that. I printed it out. I printed it out. I went over to human resources. I knocked on the door of the director's office. She don't know who the hell I am. I opened I'm a kid. She's a grown lady. I stick my head and I go, can I talk to you for a minute? And she goes, Yeah, sure. I said, I came in, I sat down. I said, I told her that story. And then I said, so this is what he wrote. And I'm inclined to give it to you. But you got to promise me, you're going to fire him. And she goes, I can't promise you that. And I went, you know what, that's fair. There's no way you could promise me that. I'm going to go on faith. So I hand it to her. And I sit there and she's reading at her assistants looking over her shoulder. They're reading it, she gets down. She gets that I remember this so vividly. She goes, who's the sycophant with a head up there? So they went Oh, Joanne, I think if you reread that, you'll see you're the sycophant, with their head up. And she goes back and reads it and she goes, yep, you're right. Thanks for coming, Scott. We'll take care of this. Anyway, the next day at noon, he didn't have a job anymore. And we learned that the reason all this was happening is he was an alcoholic. He was a raging drunk. So he'd spend the whole month drinking like he'd say he was going to meetings, but he would just go to bars. And then he would pull his head out of his office for three days and do his job and then scream and yell at us to get it done. Anyway, he shouldn't threaten my job. He'd still be working if he didn't do that. I tell that story yesterday in my kitchen To a woman I've never met before, who's not from around where I grew up. And she goes, you know, that's some gangster Sopranos. And I went, what is? And she goes, what you did, and I was like what I did. I was like, I just defended myself. And she goes, Wow. And she wasn't put off by me. But it was it threw her off. And when you just said that some Sopranos? I was like, oh my god, is that who I am? And I don't know it.

Megan 1:10:28
I think it's like whenever the lady he's having an affair with called the wife at the house. And she's like, I'm gonna kill you. Like she had the balls to call like that. Do you have the balls to like, no, don't call my house telling me you're having an affair? Oh,

Scott Benner 1:10:41
no, no, no, like, if one of us is going down, it's not me. You should have sent me that email last year. I like it. So I just anyway, after she said that, I started rethinking a lot of things. Because recently I had someone tell me, this is gonna crack you up. She goes, you're very direct. And you know, my first thought was, am I I didn't even I really had like an existential moment. I was like, I'm very direct. I don't know that about myself. And anyway, a lot

Megan 1:11:09
of people from East Coast are though, but like, I swear, I'm like, meant to live over there and not down in Texas. Those people in Texas are definitely they don't appreciate that. I like that kind of humor. Like when you see people on the commercials, or they're like, I am walking here and they slam their hands on the cabinet. I love that. That to me is like I would love being around people like that, like be angry all day. Like, that's great. Keep it out. But

Scott Benner 1:11:32
I'm not angry. It's just he tried to take my job. So he had to die. Like I don't know another way to put that. I don't even know that. That sounds unreasonable. I mean, I don't know what I would have done had he not screwed up, you know, all those months before and sent me that document. But he I don't know what I would have done. I might have just quit Monday read

Megan 1:11:51
the new. Have you heard the new abbreviation for Corona and find out that's what he did.

Scott Benner 1:11:56
That's what he did. Definitely when he did. Push the wrong person is what he did. But like, but anyway, like to think, again, this kind of goes back to how you're wired, when you grow up, and how this can impact your eating and your health. Being very serious. I don't know that I'm a direct person. Like, like, I don't know that about myself. I'm just me. Like, I'm the way I grew up. And the people I grew up around and the situations and circumstances I came up around, and that other people who didn't grow up where I am would step back and go, Wow, that's aggressive, or that's very direct. I don't like I don't see myself that way. No, isn't that interesting? Like? So?

Megan 1:12:35
I think it is because you don't see yourself and other people. But you know what, though? I've learned the older that I get? I mean, I'm not. I would like to think I'm not that old. I'm only 34. But I think that the older I get, the more that I realized that people nowadays are very, very sensitive. And they say things to other people like that are judgy. And it's like, do you see yourself as well, though? Like, they don't want to hear it about themselves? But they want to tell you Yeah, or they want to try to tell you like, Hey, you're aggressive and you're direct? Like, what are the matters of bothering you?

Scott Benner 1:13:03
I took it, I actually thought about it. Like afterwards, this person who said that, to me is like European, you know, they they don't like they don't live here. And she didn't also say it like, Oh my God, you're a vicious monster. She was just saying like, well, you're more direct than I am. Or the people that I grew up around, like you just said something I would not have said out loud. And but then she said, but it didn't hurt anything. And actually now we all are like, we all have a clearer understanding of the situation. Whereas before you would have had your thoughts that you kept private to yourself. And I would have had my thoughts that I kept private, and we all would have just kind of wandered and never gotten to this point. You just like walked forward and said it. And I was like, Oh, is that wrong? And she goes, it's not what I would have done. And I was like, but it's not wrong. I think now I'm like, in my 50s like examining myself, but then as time passed, I thought is this is probably why the podcast is popular. Like when people ask me why it is and I'm like, I don't know. Like I really don't know. Do you know what I mean? Like so I maybe it's just

Megan 1:14:06
fresh to I think it's a fresh thing? No, because not a lot of people are honest like that anymore. And a lot of people don't just you only live once so right not to say it. What does it hurt? You know? Yeah, I look at it. Well,

Scott Benner 1:14:18
Megan, I went off on a tangent today, but that's fine. And I enjoyed it my podcast, I can do whatever I want. You have anything left? I know you're at work, you have to get back to work. So I have one question for you about work. And then I just want to ask you is there anything we didn't cover that you wanted to know

Megan 1:14:35
just I think that the only thing I can say is thank you like to you because just listening to your podcasts and also like your Facebook group. It's helped tremendously and the people I work with even and my endocrinologist I think it's just amazing because like you said earlier when you referred me back to certain episodes, I mean, they do help a lot. It does make a light bulb go off for me and I'm able to kind of I understand that disease because it's scary. I have days where I'm fine. And then other days where I'm like, so freakin exhausted just thinking about like waking up in the middle of the night because the damn thing beeping or you know, the phone going off telling me I'm higher and low. And it's just, I'm so grateful to have your podcasts and for you being direct and aggressive and things like it is. And I don't think that there should be any other way to anybody talking like that on the podcast, just saying,

Scott Benner 1:15:29
Thank you. I appreciate the call. I'm very happy that that's valuable for you. I swear to you go listen to the Pro Tip series. It'll change your management things will be more stable. And I think you'll you'll be happy that you did. Now here's my question. How often do you get to drive a school bus?

Megan 1:15:44
It just depends. This year, I haven't actually had to drive it. But last year, we were hurting really bad. I had to know every single day. Oh,

Scott Benner 1:15:51
you had to get out of the office and run around for them. Oh, no, kid. Yeah. Oh, that's interesting. It's fine. Yeah. You know, back when I was a kid, my school bus used to go over this like hill. It was like a like a train. So it had to slow down and then speed up and then the back. I don't know if they're probably designed better now. But if you sat in the back couple rows of the bus, when it went over the hill, it was like a springboard. So if you know about this, so as like they still do it. Yeah. So as it goes over the hill, you just bounce in your seat. And if you're lucky enough to catch the up on the bounce, you fly up into the air. And I one time watch the kid do it. And he flew up in the air so far. He went over a couple of seats like turning over in the air and came crashing down in the aisle. And we were all like, it was so great. Oh my God, no, that would make children cry.

Megan 1:16:45
Oh, no, I've done that before. I've actually cuz there was a dip in the road. And I didn't know that there was a dip in the road. And I'm driving and I'm going the speed limit and I hit it and the kids all I thought because where the drivers mirrors I like the them going all the time. They're like, Can we do it again? I was like, No, you can't do it again.

Scott Benner 1:17:03
You really can. I there was a school bus driver in my town that winter, like jail. Like they had like, some sort of an accident. That kid got hurt in the thing. And I and my daughter got off that Boston said like, I didn't do anything wrong. And you know, and they they put him in jail for a couple of months. It's I mean, it's terrible. Yeah, but anyway, I

Megan 1:17:23
take a lot of that. That's serious. I

Scott Benner 1:17:25
mean, you probably should take seriously Yeah, but it's a serious

Megan 1:17:29
equipment, right? Yeah, no, I just I think sometimes though, it just it's sad. Because you've got that many kids on the bus. I don't think people realize that that those buses hold 71 passengers. Yeah, a lot of kids imagine being in a bus with a small pack space like that was 71 Little kid screaming

Scott Benner 1:17:44
kids that are trying to get you sick. Little. Exactly. I can hold on one second. Thanks for doing this

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